Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Richard Stadig - A Call To Service in Israel

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

After witnessing antisemitism at Portland State University, Richard Stadig, an American Jew moved to Israel to serve in the Israeli Defense Forces. Richard served in the infantry and protected all major borders of the country. He later served in the reconnaissance brigade of his reserve unit. While serving in the reserves, Richard traveled to multiple college campuses facilitating conversations based on his and fellow soldiers' experiences; focusing on the impact of national service and the importance for the Jewish state to defend itself. Following completing university in Israel, Richard returned to Oregon with his wife. He pursued a career as a security professional completing extensive executive protection and PSD training, working in both corporate and family office environments. Today he works in business management, skincare, and fitness coaching helping men put their best face forward every day. He and his wife share a passion for service to their communities and volunteer with several Veteran-focused non-profits and house of worship safety organizations.  Wolf 21- Check out what they have to offer for the best sleep of your life: ⁠https://www.thewolf21.com⁠ Use Code: "clearedhot" for 30% off of your 1st order The Speed of War Comic Series: ⁠https://www.thespeedofwar.com/⁠ Check out the newest Cleared Hot Gear here: ⁠https://shop.clearedhotpodcast.com/ ⁠

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Bernardo, shortly after the October 7th invasion, massacre. I don't know the correct way to describe it in Gaza and Israel. His name is Richard Static. And I'm just going to read his bio to make sure that I don't mess it up. After witnessing anti-seminism at Portland State University, Richard, an American Jew, moved to Israel to serve in the Israeli defense force. Richard served in the infantry and protected all major borders of the country. He later went on to serve in the reconnaissance brigade of his reserve unit while serving in the reserves. Richard traveled to multiple college campuses, facilitating conversations based on his and fellow soldiers' experiences, focusing on the impact of national service and the importance of the Jewish state to defend itself.

Right after October 7th, I had Richard and Bernardo come on, and they gave me their own, I'm going to say snapshot and opinion of what was going on in that area. They were able to break it down into much more granular level of detail because they had served in those areas, in those forces. Richard specifically had served in one of the cities that was directly and violently impacted by what happened on October 7th. Bernardo is off working, but Richard wanted to come back on, or I should say, I wanted Richard to come back on because I think this is something that we should be talking about.

I'm interested in his experience. I'm hearing a lot about the rise in anti-Semitism. I don't see it because I don't navigate in those worlds. And I love sitting down and talking with people listening to their experiences, what they are experiencing in their life that causes, the effects, what can be done about it. And that's what we did. So how about I shut up and we let Richard talk for himself.

Hope you enjoy the episode. Dude, it's been a minute. You're here solo today. I am. How much can we talk about why you're here solo? Let's just say Bernardo moved on to... That sounds like it's a dead dog or something. I was going to say that you go on to a happier place?

He went to a happier place. Bernardo switched careers, and he is doing great things protecting people. Okay. Yeah. What state is he living in? He's in the West. Okay, the West. West.

All right. Western Colorado area. Is that where he wants to be, or is this kind of like the place to the foundation, then he'll move elsewhere. I think he set there. Him and his wife were very outdoorsy, adventurous people. So I think that's a good spot for them. Texas are getting too hot.

Texas is too hot. I personally love it. Really? Yes. The heat. Love it. Why? Because, listen, I'm going to sweat if it's cold or if it's hot either way.

Mine's well have an excuse, right? Just naturally. Why would you sweat if it's cold? Naturally. We're actually, we're getting personal right now. Naturally a sweaty guy. So, you know, that's it. All right.

Right. Yeah, I know. Like, medical condition now? No, no, no. Like, if I exercise, that's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm running and stuff like that, I'm going to be sweating. So, like, I might as well just have an excuse to go ahead and sweat more. Okay.

It makes me cool. I like that you are your genuine self. You have to be real. You have to be real. So, like, the other, like, I'm kind of trained for an ultra marathon right now. Well, I was going to ask you because you would message me, hey, I have to get in a, what did you say? 12 to 13 mile run. Yeah, 12 to 13 miles.

What was hilarious is that you asked me that. Well, I figured like you hide. Like, okay. To be fair, don't you go hiking around here? No. You don't hike. Sometimes. I mean, like, it's the same thing.

You know? The last time I went on a hike. How do I politely say this? My wife directly lied to my face. Uh-huh. Said it was going to be a short hike. Uh-huh. Five miles in, we were at the halfway point.

Then we came back out, and I almost shot a goat in the face because it was squaring off with us in a parking lot in a national park. And my wife is watching me as, I don't know. I'm trying to remember if it peeled off from the little group. I think it might have gotten separated from the group. It's a rogue goat. Yes. Are we talking like a like a sheep?

Like one of those mountain goats? Yes. Wow. And it was in an asphalt parking lot that has overnight camping. And I think that they can kind of do whatever they wanted to because they're a protected species. Yep. We shuffled off to the side. Yeah.

It squared up with crazy eyes and was looking at me as if it was going to charge. So I am immediately preparing myself. Right. Did you come to draw or you're like right there in position. Did not come to draw. Okay. And my wife is just like, oh my God, oh my God. Yeah, not a good outcome, you know.

For anybody. 100% chance I'm getting in trouble for that. For sure. But a 100% chance that I'm not letting my wife get charged for the National Park. Definitely. So that was my last hike. Okay. I got it.

So that's why I don't hike. And it's, uh, Is it that enjoyable? Aren't there better ways that you can see things? Yeah, by running. No. You get to cover more ground in less time. I don't know this, but if you know how to fight,

you don't have to run. Got it. That's true. I should probably learn. Well, you just said you're getting ready to start jujitsu. I will in November. What have you been up to since then? You know, having to start with a K?

Let's start. Yeah, there's been a kid. There's to start with a Krov. A little Krav Maga. Yeah. So my truck. Everybody talks shit on and I have no issue with it. You know, there's nothing wrong.

Krav Maga. I think that there's a lot of instructors that move to America to make a lot of money in Hollywood and have talked about, you know, the Krav Maga being super deadly and stuff. But honestly, it's a great way of teaching people aggression. And that's what's important in a fight. I think all adult males should know how to fight. 100%. And I think they should be tested to that degree because it really rounds the edges. It lets you know what's possible and that there's always somebody out there that could whip your ass. It lets you know that even if you win, it could be painful. And the more you're around violence, the less you want to participate in it.

100%. I think it's amazing. I think all men should be capable of violence and should avoid it at all costs. I think most of the most capable people I know are the least likely to be in fights ever. Yeah. And it's funny, though. If you go to the, I went to the UFC a few months ago. Which one?

Vancouver. It was actually more like... The Cove. Yeah. Yeah. More like eight months ago or longer than that. Anyways, one to the fights there. Saw some fighters,

completely the most chill people in the world, right? There is more fights that I've seen from untrained individuals than I have in my entire. I'm talking like people paying $10,000 in the front row floor getting in massive fights. My buddy Elliott, you run the security over there for the UFC. He texts me like, fuck, dude. This is fucking insane. Yeah, just a bunch of untrained fights. You'll see people swinging, Hail Mary's, everything like that.

The amount of testosterone, steroids, and acts that I felt in that arena was overwhelming. What's amazing is that the people who fight in the cage, the most capable people in the room, won't do shit unless there's a check. 100%. 100% because they're smart. Yeah. They say, no, nope, I'm going to pass on that. If you want to pay me to fight you. I will.

Absolutely. Once you've signed off on the disclaimer, I'm good to go. 100% no herpes, no AIDS. We're good to. to go. Yeah, 100%. But anyways, it was, it was heavy. Because I've been a lifelong fan of Mix Martyrart since I was like 15. I've been watching it. And I watched every single paper view overseas. I've watched it, everything like that. Finally went to my first event that I could like afford to like see it in person, stuff like that as I got older. And it was just,

I was overwhelmed by the, uh, the word's not toxic masculinity. It is the machismoness that you had over there and the lack of people that could fight walking around. I mean, it doesn't surprise me though. Yes. Lee and I went to UFC 300. Oh. Which was pretty cool, but I'll be honest. If I'm offered the opportunity to go again, I'm going to pass. Same. Because I really appreciate the commentary, which you can't hear in the room. 100%.

And we were in a place, we had two places that we could go. It's not that the view was bad, but it doesn't compare to what you can see on TV. And the expert panel of people breaking down in real time, I love it. Definitely. 100%. We actually came back and I bought the pay-per-view. so I could hear the commentary for the fights we had already seen. Definitely.

Yeah. I mean, watch parties are great, you know, getting your friends together, listen to the commentary, I'm all about it. Small shows are great, too. Yeah. Every once in a while I go to a small show. That's nice. You could hear the commentary a bit better.

People aren't as crazy and stuff. Maybe the Apex Center would be the move on that one. That's kind of I have to get to that level. That's kind of like the goals for me in the future. I think it might be cheaper. Really? It's a smaller venue. I know, but I've heard that it was more of like for the elite because they rent out the whole place

and like it's really intimate. So it actually is harder to get into. but I'll have to circle back on that. Well, there's main cards, you know, like big pay-per-views. This last weekend, we just watched the fights, and it was at the apex. It was just a fight night. Usually it's the fight nights, yes. During COVID, they had made events there, but now it's mostly just like the fight nights or the apex.

Can you Google whether or not a pay-per-view in-person ticket or a fight-night ticket would be cheaper? The Internet is an amazing thing. So fight night is probably cheaper because it's lesser events, I would think, right? But then it might entice people to buy out the whole price. Because I know Mark Zuckerberg did that. A few people have done that. I mean, if you can, fucking do it. When you have an unfathomable wealth, why would you not do that?

I mean, I'd have my own Coliseum. I'd build out of Coliseum. Yeah, why not? Where? Should I just go with Mark Zuckerberg to say Hawaii? Just have a call of Coliseum there in Hawaii while it's there? What have you found, Michelle? Miguel, Michelle.

Are you talking live? Yeah, what would it take a cost? Yeah, like at the gate. I feel like a pay-per-view gate is going to be more expensive. Probably. I'm still looking. Oh, okay. What do I even pay you?

I don't know. I love this hostile work environment again. Yeah. There was no just like straight up comparison so I have to look at each one individually. So it'll take it to do the math. Yeah, get back to us. I'll get back to you. Why, uh, why go to Jiu Jitsu instead of you staying with Krov? Well, I did Krov really limitedly, honestly. I did Krov in the military, right, a little bit afterwards. I think Jiu-Sitsu's community is phenomenal. It's awesome. It's pretty cool. And I wrestled in high school, which I love that grappling. So yeah, as soon as I finish my Ultramarathon, November, I'll start Jiu-Jitsu. I've already told 10th Planet down there, Phil Schwartz. I'm committed. It's going to happen. He's cool. He comes up here sometimes. Yeah. He teaches it or has taught twice at the big pork.

So I host, well, it's actually Ed Calderon's class, but I'm the host, and we do the pig class at his gym every year there. Is that short for law enforcement? No, it should be, though. No, it's not. It's actually, it's a pig. You learn about, you learn about. Oh, you're talking about live tissue training. Yeah, pretty much. But it's not medical life tissue trainer. It's more of impact weapons. life tissue training blades, how blades work. Yeah. Yeah. And that should scare people away from ever wanting to be in a knife fight. It teaches a lot, especially when you get the jihisukee guys coming in, you give them some fake knives and they learn. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll get messed up. I would take, well, first off, I would take not getting shot or stabbed as primary. But if I had to choose between shot or stabbed, I'd rather get shot. Yeah, 100%. Well, yes. I'm currently trying to determine the exact number that Michael would demand for me to shoot him in the ass. We talked about this.

We were at 10,000. and he said he might let me do it. A 10,000? Seriously? His medical bills will be more than 10,000. You're not in the situation right now. God damn it. Seriously.

So Fight Night 30 or cheapest are $30. Okay. What? UFC 306 cheapest $2, $2,400. Okay. We might need to go to Vegas. Are you serious $30 at the apex? Yeah.

I mean, I'm sure the seats are really bad. It's a small venue. Well, this isn't apex. It might not be that, well, it might not be that bad because I don't. I can only speak for the apex. It's tiny. Yeah, it's small. So even a bad seat there, I think, is much closer than you're going to get for a bad seat.

Like, we went to the Timo Bowl arena. Yeah. There's some nosebleeds. Yeah, for sure. This is at the sphere. Let me look at my different. Because the sphere is always expensive from what I hear. And they're only going to do that once, I believe.

Yeah. That's that, I can't pronounce it. It's going to be something noce night of this year. Mexican Independence Day, they're doing the fight that weekend. Cinco de Mayo? No, that's not Mexican Independence Day. That's actually the commemoration of a big battle that they won. And that's when we always get in trouble as green goes for saying it's Mexican independence day, but it's not actually.

I said it more of an inquisitive tone. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. No, I'm just putting it out there for the people. So now we know. Michael. Not the sphere is actually also $30. So I think just because it's the sphere, they're really upcharging. Well, they're only going to do it once is my understanding.

Unrelated, Michael, 20 grand to shoot you in the ass. Grazing shot through the cheek through and through. Like, would I, is this shot I would have to go to the hospital for or could we just bandage it up? Shooter's choice. Yeah, is that how it works usually? If you can guarantee that it takes like a centimeter of skin off only. Okay, then in that case. I want to have, the full round has to penetrate your cheek.

Oh. So that's like a full bullet hole. Yeah. You said grazing. That is not grazing. Grazing just inside the skin. I don't want to say. I mean, Trump, you know, it worked for him.

Have you seen the commentary people saying he fake that? It's pretty crazy. As I am a competent marksman. I worked with many other competent marksmen. Right. There is not a single one of them that I know that I would trust to shoot me in the fucking ear. No. Fuck that.

I mean, seriously. There is, I don't care from 130 yards. with the most dialed in scoped rifle. No way. None of the snipers that I worked with would I trust to just graze my head. No. No. I mean, what a crazy week in America.

I was just having this conversation with my wife in the course of, I think it was eight days, because I believe that happened to Trump on a Saturday. It was last Saturday. And Biden backed out on a Sunday. Yeah. Eight days later. What? Where are we? I don't know.

Yeah. I don't know either. And I think it, I think it unsettles a lot of people. It doesn't bother me in the least. Right. Because I think this is just the way that it goes. And I think sometimes being upended helps you kind of evolve and move forward. We're still in a pretty good spot in human history.

Like as far as safety in human history, today in this moment sitting at this table, it is the safest time in the history of human history to be alive. I think we've just had a lot of, I don't want to say privilege, but it's been a luxury for us in the last hundred. The first words pretty hard too. Yeah, well, I think a lot of people worked for that, that privilege, right? That we have the safety and security and the economy. But that just is a rock that rolls out of health. 100 people, you know, 100 years before that. What are your thoughts on the shooting of Trump?

What was your initial thought when you saw that? Sad, dark, historical, a little bit of disbelief. How about the Secret Service reaction? Okay. First of all, I'm the first of all, I'm the. not an expert in this. I'll tell you my background is pretty limited, but I used to work in personal protection for a while. After the military, I worked for a family. And again, maybe they know something I don't. But that lack of a prompt and speedy evac is something I've never seen

before. So I've read, Michael, please confirm this, that it took them two minutes to get him off the podium. Yeah. And again, so we trained for, we called it, I think we called it PSD. And PSD, yeah. Personal security detail. In my mind, and I am not one to criticize the Secret Service, I have an immense amount of respect for what they do. And also, what I have said recently is that the Hubble telescope is going to be turned around anyway and inserted directly up their asshole.

So the things are going to come out that need to come out. Respectfully. Yeah, I don't need to. I don't know if there's a respectful way to get the Hubble telescope up there. Regardless, people who are really good at figuring out what happened and why will do that. I can save my commentary on that for later. My understanding of PSD is that especially given A, that were shots fired, B, that there was an injury, immediately to a hardened vehicle,

and that thing hauls ass to either a helicopter or a higher level of care like that. Immediately. Yeah. And especially the fact that they said, shoot her down. Okay, threat's done. Well, assuming that there's only one. Right. Assuming, but enough that they're articulating the threat is down.

Yeah. And there's still as a pause and movement. Why was he up there for two minutes? Why? Yeah, it was, let's see, 6-11. Shots are fired. Okay. 6-12, quote, are you ready, move?

The Secret Service agents say, but stay in their positions, keeping Trump under the podium. And that it doesn't say, as they prepare to exit, Trump raises his fist. So it looks like 6-12, so like, yeah, two minutes. I'm going to assume that the podium was not ballistic.

I don't know how they roll. If you don't have your principal behind a hardened structure. Besides yourself. Which given a 5, five, six round at that distance at 130 yards, even with ball ammunition, 100% zipping through. I don't think they were wearing hard plates. I think they were wearing soft vests. They have soft. They have armor rate is soft now.

Yeah. I was going to say if it zipped through, it might have caught it on the back end. But let's say an extremity shot through shoulder or something like that, it's going to go through. you have to get the principal the fuck out of there. And the fact that they, I mean, if my principle is waving to a flag, right, I'm being combative and I'm dragging them off the stage. That's what I happen. Well, did you see the size of the people trying to drag him off the stage? Yeah.

No real words for that. Well, there's a lot of real world's words for that. And this is where I fall back to standards have to be blind. I do. You either meet this. And I also don't know the standard. for the Secret Service. So every agent up there may have met the standard in training to achieve that role.

But if you're going to guard a principle, Trump's over six feet, isn't he, Michael? I mean, maybe. He's like 6.3. Okay. So therefore, the standard for that is going to need to change a little bit. If your principal is 6.3 in whatever he ways, let's say he's an, I'm not saying him, but let's say you have a principal that is 63, an athletic 250, I don't know that a qualified agent who weighs under 200 pounds,

maybe closer to 150 than 200, who is a foot shorter, meets the standard of protection for that principle. Not at all. I mean, on the private side, people are picked on height all the time to match their principle. Yeah. It happens all the time.

Well, what if the principle goes down? You have to be able to move them up all the time. But the fact they won't do that for a former president. Like, this is basic EP 101. one stuff. And I'm not trying, I'm not, I don't want to go down that route of like armchair quarterbacking at all. I only worked in the industry three or four years, so not a lifetime or anything like that. But it's just basic, evacuate the principal off the X, get them to Evac, and get them to your planned advanced hospital, right? Also, look at your holster

when holstering and get it done the first time. It feels like they were never tested in training, right? Like, they were not pushed in under distress. They haven't done UTIM, they haven't done SIM work. It felt like they'd never run the scenarios before. One of the questions I have for them too. I wonder if they ever shoot at them with live rounds. And I don't mean in the killouts. No, for sure. So what we used to do, and we didn't do this often, but I did this a couple times throughout my careers, we would go get behind. Well, this happened all the time we were in sniper school. You're in the butts. And the butts for people listening or not what you think. It's not like Miami Beach, the butts. It's a berm. Right. Right. Bullets impact if the rounds come in short

and you raise up targets. People shoot at them. You lower them. You can score them. You put them back up. And that way they don't have to go back and forth. You hear the snap, but we would do that with 556, 7662, suppressed, subsonic, pistol rounds. And you get used to the sound of the snap. I don't know, I don't know if, and this is just again me watching that video, if anybody in that video had ever been shot at before. Which, if your job is reacting to gunfire, I would feel like that is a critical component in your training. You can safely do it to understand what it sounds like. It's pretty standard.

You would think. You would think, right? So is holster on your pistol? That's true. And then at least like you can't hold her? At least she didn't have her finger on the fucking trigger. But then I saw another one had dropped her gun, it looked like. Stop it.

That's what I have seen. Again, I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but I had seen somebody had the other. What about the picture of the individual hiding behind Trump as he was dropping to the ground? Maybe shoot. Yeah. Yeah. How dare you assume her gender? Fuck.

I just did too. I screwed up again. I did. I'm not trying to make this a DEI conversation. It was from what I saw on TV, it was disgraceful, to be honest. But again, it just seemed like there was no training. There's no involvement. There was no advance done.

Well, if all of those things were done, let's assume that they were. The execution in the moment. Very poor. Holy cow. I have questions. I have a lot of questions. I don't understand. I also don't understand.

how a 20-year-old kid who has clearly had issues got to 130 yards from a presidential candidate under a security detail of both local, federal, and secret service. And they only had about, what, five buildings in that general area? Like, nobody was put on the roof because it was called sloped and too dangerous to be posted on. And then people post the picture of the White House roof that's like this with this counter-snipers. Exactly. It's like, I mean, this is like basic protection work 101. This is Secret Service. That's like the high level.

You're regarding the president, former presidents, heads of states. How do you think that happens? You don't know how it happens. And is that where our country's at right now? Is that our government has gone down to that level with the lowest standards that we've seen in modern history? It could be that. Yeah. I think.

And I may be wrong on this, but I think that's the first live shot that the calendar sniper team for the Secret Service has ever taken. I think that these people trained in an environment and are almost never actually tested. Other than Reagan, and again, these are things that... That was his detail that stopped the shooter. They had him into the car in a half a second. That's true. And they also stopped the threat there. Correct. But what I'm saying, so again, I think that happened in the 80s. It was the 80s, yeah. So we're talking 40 plus years. Is it just the complacency that creeps in

when you're not tested? Yeah. I mean, let's see. I think the answer is probably a combination of all the things we're talking about. Right. And then also, I mean, who appoints Secret Service Director? It's by administrations. I know this last Secret Service Director. I believe she was, she left, she went to the private sector, and then she was brought back by the president appointed Secret Service Director. And she used to be on the president's wife's detail and she was very fond of her, what

I've heard. So is it by favors, right? Is it not the best person for the job who sets the standard for that whole organization? Is it political? I mean, that could be a possibility as well. Or is it all those things? All of them, right. I feel like it's a huge problem.

huge pot of soup that has a little bit of an ingredient of all of those things. But it's really sad. It is really sad. And I really hope that they make the changes that need to be made. Definitely. I mean, they need to have legitimately two minutes on the boat. It's ridiculous. And then when they said move, we all know like, you know, you make a command, you follow it, right?

You don't stop, you don't stall. Sometimes you do. Yeah. It's bad. I mean, listen. All right. Everybody fucks up once or twice. To not make this a complete complexity rabbit hole.

Dude, what do you? So I talked to you guys. You and Bernardo came. Yes. That was a rabbit hole. Um, was it October? Open it under the table. Otherwise, you'll get the complaint of the least like noise on the internet.

Sorry, internet. I've read the internet comments and they're not even fan of me. So it's okay. What did they say? There are a few things. Such as? You know, Genocidal pusher.

Well, just remember that whatever you believe, whatever anybody on earth believes, you have an axis somewhere who believes the opposite of you. 100%. As deeply as you do, and they have the internet too. So be careful with the internet. Chet. No, toochet. No, honestly, they're mostly ragging in Bernardo. So, like, just personal attacks.

I don't know. They were, they were very rude. They were very rude. It's okay. Well, this goes back to men and violence. That's true. In an environment, like, how many of those people do you think? If I were able to find them, Michael, this is our next show.

Here's what we're going to do. We're going to find Bernardo. We're going to find five of those people that made those comments. We will clear this studio out. The walls will have nails driven into them facing the other direction so that you wouldn't want to contact them. And the person has to come into the room only with Bernardo and read the, their comment to him and suffer the consequences. That would be phenomenal.

But here's the choice. They either get to read the comment, right? Or they can apologize for their comment that they made in a consequence free environment. They might come to Jesus that day. That is a test of humanity right now. Yeah, let's do it. Let's make it happen. You know what it is?

No for sure. That's the difference between a consequence free environment and a consequential environment. Nobody says that shit to somebody's face. They only do it when they have this third parting medium in between and they know that that person literally can't reach in and grab their shit. 100%. And it's a great shield, right? It's that digital shield where they're going to talk all this shit they want. Well, there's an anonymity associated with it as well. That's true. That's very true. That's very true. Well, hopefully Bernardo did not take it too personally.

No, I don't think he read the comments. I read the comments. I had more time. You know, it's interesting as well. I've noticed this in the years I've been doing this. Yeah. People who have, what's a kind way to do? to say this. People who trend a little bit more towards the negativity side of the house, it is my suspicion, and I have no data to support this, but anecdotally, this is what I feel. They are often more vocal and active than those who trend more towards the positivity side. And that might be because the people who are trending more towards the positivity side are actually out in the real world doing amazing things for their life, their friends, their family,

their community. Whereas those who are trending on the negativity side, maybe they don't have those outlets. So their outlet becomes, I'm going to tear everything down. Yeah, I'm going to burn all the ships, burn people's world. Yeah. For sure. Definitely. Anecdotally, that's what I feel. I'm not sure it's correct. Honestly, we don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but like I took a class in college that I had to take on leisure. I hated it during the time. Leisure?

Leisure. Leisure. Yeah. Yeah. Did you just sit like couches and stuff or what did you do? I wish. No, it was learning about societies and how different societies take on volunteer work, leisure, family, community, hobbies. Okay. And this was in Israel, right? I was talking how Israel actually has some of the highest percentage of volunteers in the world. Okay.

And also they had some of the most like grandmother, grandparent, elderly visits. And they talked about how that kind of led to a more positive society because people were like acting towards making changes every single day. But it was part of their culture. And that had them be more relaxed in an environment you would think there's actually a lot higher stress living in the Middle East, you know, or taxes living in a desert, all those sorts. If you give people a purpose and you, and they see the impact of their work, right,

I think it really hedges a lot of those other things. It makes those things more background noise than front center. Yeah, definitely. I mean, in Israel, everybody starts with that from an early age from National Service. Yeah. And how do we, how do we recap the first episode? Yeah, let's recap the first episode. Bernardino's obviously not here.

Right. Did you guys come in November? No, we came a week after the attacks. Okay. I couldn't remember if it was, okay. Okay. So what's the best way to do this? Yeah.

Do you want to cover in a snapshot your version of what we covered in that first episode? And then we can talk about what has happened since. What has happened since? Yeah. And first of all, what's really important for me too as well as I speak about this is I speak from my experiences, right? And I'm not going to armchair quarterback the situation by any means. And definitely I'm not going to speak for the guys that are over there right now. They've been fighting, right?

That's their world. I'm not going to criticize that. I'm not going to critique it. I'm just going to pass on the information I've had from former teammates. And people I work with, people I know, that's sort of such. So we came here about a week after October 7th, after Hamas, a terrorist organization based out of the Gaza Strip, launched a massacre on Southern Israel, killed 1,200 civilians, babies, raped women, tortured families, took over. At that time, we believed it was 200 hostages at the time.

Of which some still remain, correct? About 120 plus. Yeah. Still there. I lived in the southern, very southern community. About 12 people I knew were murdered that day. And two, during that time period, we're still missing.

They've since been found dead. So that happened. Israel had not invaded Gaza at that time. They had just been fighting a ground war to fight off the stragglers that were still within Israel's borders. And they were preparing to, to launch the ground invasion that has now been nine months. Yeah. How do we capture that nine months?

What are your thoughts? I mean, I'm assuming both you, Bernard are not here, but I'm assuming you're in communication with him. I would imagine there's communication that extends between the two of you, two people in Israel.

I mean, I'll let you unpack it kind of however you want to. Definitely. So, bring it up to modern day. For sure. So, you know,

I chose, I had been out of the military since 2017. So I last did the reserves. And there was a good, wave of people that were going back. I made the decision that I was going to stay. I had a son that was about to be born. I had not served in quite a few years. And I felt that would be better for me to be home and to help the community here rather than go back. But I do know quite a few people that did. And then teammates that were still living in initial, right? And from what I'm getting, the last

nine months have been ups and downs in ways that the first few months were relatively Not too difficult. Straight forward likely in kinetic. Yeah, for the most part. The latter part of the year has been very difficult. When it came down to tunnel work, they still have not been able to eliminate all the tunnels. They've taken heavy casualties. The influx of civilians in populated areas, even after they were evacuated, it's been very difficult in the IDF to select, you know, to, what we call it collateral damage?

You don't want to call it collateral damage. in casualties, trying to prevent civility. Largely the same term. Using the same way, yeah. Honestly, there's no. Right. Just shit. There's no.

Yeah. People you don't want to kill. Yeah. Innocent people who are in war zones who are going to die. And, you know, at first Israel had gone in, you know, we're going to finish this room, get our hostages, but that didn't happen. There has been one hostage rescue mission, which I think has not been highlighted to the extent that it would have because of the rest of the lack of returning the hostages.

It was a very high risk hostage rescue mission. They were able to rescue three hostages alive. but the vast majority of the hostages were either killed or still in captivity. Where there, do you know, when they went in to do that hostage rescue, were there only three that were there? Do you have? I believe so. Then they had intelligence for a while that they were there. Which is interesting, because it'd say they had 200 to 120 remaining.

That means they have part and parceled, which is smart from a tactical perspective. They are aggregating out and keeping the number of them small, which makes it difficult to target. But I tell you what, that also is logistically difficult for homeschool. Hamas to track those people because there's a manpower issue associated with that as well. And the last the last three that they rescued were actually staying with a family with a wealthy Gaza family. Not under guard. No.

Well, under guard, right, but in the civilian populace. You have that. And then you have many in tunnels. Yeah. And then you have many that have been killed. I mean, there's a four-month-year-old. I mean, he's close to a year now, I believe, now in a six-month-year. They have the world's youngest hostage right now is in Gaza.

Well, hopefully assuming that there's still alive. Hopefully assuming that they're still alive. In my experience, probably not. Dealing with terrorist organizations, their value of life is a little bit different. It is. And the requirements to keep an infant alive,

let alone thrive, or high, it might cross their risk-reward ratio. Definitely. Definitely. So what have you heard of that is making it so much more complex in the, call it recent months? I don't want to speak too much of it, but really the tunnel warfare. Yeah.

Right. You're fighting an enemy that is not marked at all. They are dressed in civilian, civilian clothes. We have an extensive tunnel network that also runs into Egypt as well. And Israel's not going to cross into Egypt. So the bad guys, you know, the bad guys could run across the border underneath and come back. How many years, how long have they been working on this tunnel system? Probably since 2006 minimum.

Because we, so in 2000. What size tunnel are we talking here? We're talking stand up straight tunnel. Hundreds of miles, ups and downs, multiple levels. But, like, stand up straight? We're not talking like, you know, like a lot of the Mexican drug cartel tunnels are just big enough. No, we're talking like standing up straight like bunkers. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, yes, like tunnel shafts. Like, so think about it. They've had millions. Let's see if you can find an image of any of the tunnels in Gaza, please. IDF tunnel, Gaza tunnel. I mean, they have had millions, hundreds of millions of dollars in construction equipment sent to them. And that works out really well to make good tunnels. You know?

Tunneling equipment will do that. Yeah, 2000. I mean, we're talking under hospitals. We're having tunnels. I mean. Okay. Yeah. Legitimate tunnels.

Go one to the left of that one. Yeah, let's look at that first. All right. So shit. Okay, that's concrete reinforced in some sections. We have who knows what those cables are. Go one more to the left of that too, Michael. So this one is bigger, just circular and diameter.

Holy cow. Yeah. That looks concrete reinforced as well. Well, okay, so, oh, damn, yeah, that's going to play a video. It's not like the image of, like, Vietnam where they're like in these little rat holes running through with. So, yeah, do you have this up so the viewers can watch this too much? Yes. Yeah, so that image we're looking at for people who are listening only.

I'm going to call that. It's a highlighted red spider web of who knows the accuracy of that, but it's probably a representation of the complexity, breadth and depth of the tunnel system. And that is a that is a night. Yeah. I mean, my initial thoughts would be garden hose, but that's a really big garden hose, you know? They had tried. They tried a garden house?

Well, they tried seawater. Fuck you. Yeah. So, yeah. Seawater was implemented, for sure. From what I heard, I don't know if this is true, but from what I've heard is they couldn't do that much of it because it would completely collapse Gaza. Because if you put water underneath the entire city, right, the entire area, the entire

area. Area. That would 100% do that. Yeah. But it had been used. That has definitely been used. That's confirmed. Pumps were brought.

I mean, the seas right there. That's never going to run out. But again, it's like, which tunnels do you flood? But you don't know if their hostages are there or not. Yeah. That's an equation where problem that doesn't have any easy solutions. No, easy solutions. Yeah, it's not one plus one.

As much as people would. I've heard people say that. Why don't they just go in and get the hostages? And they will ask me to do a, like, a, like a, a episode talking about and friends or something like that. Yeah, Fox and Friends had me come on one time.

They wanted me to talk about the complexity of fighting in an urban environment. And I think they stop asking me to do that stuff because I refuse to do anything other than tell the truth and give an answer

that I consider to be safe based off my own personal knowledge. They want a flashy answer. Right. Oh, you know, this, that, or the other. Here's my experience. Here's some challenges they could face. We're probably better off

waiting for some more information. come out. Right. That's honestly where I'm at as well. It's just it sucked. You've had you have them come out from all angles. Massive civilian casualties occur from this. One thing that is new is drone warfare. Yeah. Is it in both sides. Israel's implementing a lot more drones than they used to. It's actually in conventional infantry units now are using drones. Do they make their own or you guys go to DGI.com? I might be DGi.com. Honestly, from my experience in the army. I mean, it's cheap as bitter. They make some good shit. No, I mean, I do have a friend that actually had a go-fund me for for drones for his unit.

Okay. I'm sure. I mean, have you seen some of the footage in Ukraine of these drones chasing individuals? And then dropping it on them? Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. But that's where we're at right now. It's kind of a crazy time.

Oh, that is where we're at right. We're at drone warfare. I believe a Ukrainian drone struck a, it was a couple hundred miles deep into Russia. I forget the exact piece of infrastructure. It might have been power generation of some kind. Hundreds of miles away autonomously flew there. They were raised it. Israel was hit two days ago by a UAV from the Houthis.

Don't you guys have some high-speed cities? We're supposed to have some. Exactly. No, it got through. Iranian-backed technology. It got through. It killed one person in Tel Aviv, Inter-Tan. Israel responded yesterday with a massive attack on the infrastructure in the Houthi-controlled area.

That Red Sea. Yeah. And, yeah. So one thing I've heard constantly, and this is not something that I experience. experience or live through because I'm not Jewish. But since October, I have some Jewish friends and they have expressed a very large rise in anti-Semitism. Yeah, tremendous.

And I'm curious about your own personal experiences with that. For sure. So I'm a little bit different. I grew up knowing that anti-Semitism was a part of my life, just having a Holocaust surviving grandma that we talked about this last podcast. I'm like, people are always going to want to kill me. It's okay, a little desensit. It's not okay, but I'm a little desensitized.

to it. But a mass amount of Jewish people for the first time saw that they were going to be targeted for what people assumed was their political backing and for being Jewish, right?

There's a lot of controversy with Israel. It's not perfect situation. I'll be the first person to say that. But it has become a funnel to really just show anti-Semitism. As in we've had synagogues put on them and Frank

memorials, Gaza, Swastika put on it. Anti-Israel. as also anti-Semitism and vice versa, and we've seen that played out in the mainstreams. Where do you think it comes from? Well, it is not something that I have experienced or seen happen in my own personal life.

Right. I think it would terminate in me elbowing that person in the face. Right. I just, but- And Jews are starting to do that now. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna remove the anti-Semitism portion from that. I don't tolerate bullies well. Right.

And that, so you could replace that term with, oh, racism or somebody abusing a child or a woman. I just, it's easier, I guess, say somebody's, God, I hate to say this, but it's also true. Abuse often generationally passes on.

So you see a husband yelling at their child because where father yelling at a child or just being a fucking asshole because that's how they were treated. So that's a little bit of a different issue because that's generational bullshit passing itself on, even though that person has the ability to stop it.

Where do you think the anti-Semitism come from? So let's look to history. Historically, Jews have been scapegoats for thousands of years. And one of the big, they would call them blood libels, criticism against Jews in like the medieval. Blood libel? Yeah, libel. Yeah, libels. Like was that Jewish people killed Christian babies and they made their little matzabred out of the Christian blood.

That's kind of like in our historical roots have been against Jewish people, right? The Jews just killed Christian. That's like the old wives' tales was thought. Old wife's tale from who? That's the first time I've ever heard that. Medieval times is where it started. I don't know the exact date or which country, but that's just one example, right?

If you want to look down to the Bible, right, you want to say, hey, Moses killed the firstborn pharaohs, right? Maybe that's where it started in the biblical. A lot of people were killing people in the biblical times. Yeah, maybe it was translated and pointed out the Jews. So what I'm saying, though, is if you look at it in nowadays, you see the Jewish people, they just kill babies. They call them baby killers.

Look what they're doing gods. It's always the Jewish people are responsible for, you know, the worst, most heinous things you could think of in the world. It's pointed out against them a lot. I don't know where it started. I'm thinking there. It started, you know, biblical times. But it's continued.

And now there's been a medium for it to be expanded on. And also for ignorant people who see what these bad actors are talking and spreading and they come onto it because they think it's from a place of virtue. But really, it's just a funnel of hate. What are your thoughts on the college protesters? It seemed to have died down. So it has died down a lot, right? I mean, they're out for summer break, right?

So it's like, hey, man, I'm not in school. So I'm going to go home. How many do you think actually believe or understand? I don't think a lot of them understand the complex. Like, I've always said very happily, like, I will, if there is a Palestinian out there, he's probably closer culturally to me than he is to the average American. I'll have a, we probably disagree on many things, but I'll have a civil discussion with them. I don't deny their right to existence at all. but there's plenty of people that have no connection at all to the conflict and deny my or my people's right to existence in our land as well.

I mean, we saw the congressional testimony about, is it okay to call for the death of Jewish people? It got to that level on a main stage, as long as it's not threatening or whatever they said. Is it okay? I don't think an argument, I don't think that's the argument. Is it protected under the First Amendment? Definitely. Yeah, it is. I think that's the argument and it is.

It is. And that sucks, but that's also the importance of the First Amendment. And I try to remind people, this people always want to say, I can say whatever the fuck I want to because of the First Amendment. And I say to them, you're correct. But at least in my opinion, my individual opinion, the First Amendment is more about what I have to tolerate other people saying. Definitely. I mean, there's a famous story of a Jewish lawyer defending the Ku Klux Klan's right to protest. The ACLU. Yeah, exactly. And that's, and I believe in that wholeheartedly. But should our funds go to sponsor schools that facilitate that? There was a, what shall we use as a term? Swift backlash from donors? It seemed. There were. There was. There definitely one. And hence, we don't see it quite as much. I believe I heard the sound of the breaks from the checks.

Yeah, very fast. And a few resignations later. and that was that. But honestly, though, like, you know, I work with an organization called McGinnom in, in Los Angeles, California, and in that whole area. What they do is they're pretty much a protection agency run by the community. So they go through the entire licensing processing to become licensed security guards in the California area. They go through de-escalation training, combative training, firearms training, the whole owners. And they pretty much are a community patrol. They work with the local law enforcement.

they're seeing protests for religious Jews. Let's backphrase a little bit. So Friday night to Saturday night, religious Jews, they don't drive their cars, they don't use electronics, they don't play loud of music. It's the Sabbath, right? It's time of peace for them at the time of worship. They're seeing proposed protests of loud protesters coming through, blasting blow horns, blasting trucks, intimidating them on their day of rest, on their holy days.

just inciting, pushing them to violence to extent in many ways. This is something they're saying daily. Is that a peaceful protest? I don't say that at all by any means. That's just incitement. I think it would depend on the eye of the beholder. And then again, you get down to, and I'm not justifying. No, 100%.

I'm not arguing for it. I'm just trying to think, you know, pushing somebody to the point, irritating them to the point where they become violent, I think is different than incite. Well, again, And I'm not saying they're acting on violence. I'm just saying that seems to be the intention of them. They're baiting them.

Yeah. But the engagement is a choice. And I'm not saying what they're doing on those days of rest should be done either. And they're not doing it accidentally on those days. Right. Like let's have an honest conversation about what's going on on both sides of the coin here. God, I wish people had harder lives. Yeah.

I mean, they do a lot better things on a Saturday. I wish sometimes that we still had to have plows and hollows and hard. horses or national service well if we had plows and horses and you were responsible for your own fruits and vegetables and food i see what you're saying there'd be no protesting on friday and saturday because you'd be working the fucking field right right right right right right he what do you think his job would be my initial thought is seamstress that's literally the first thought yeah let's see your hands michael they're girlish i have i have dainty hands totally definitely could throw a needle yeah you're familiar with this sig 365

right? It's an oversized handgun for him. I have the macro. No, Excel for him. Standard original. There's, first off, Michael, there's nothing you have that's macro. Not a fucking thing. But my first thought is seamstress. You look at Michael, what would he have done?

Concubine, perhaps? College student. Unic. Jester. Now gene bottle. I'd be a jester. It'd be fun. I could see that too.

I can't too. Yeah. His brothers are funnier than him. Really? Is he the eldest? Of the shelltie, yeah, he has four brothers. Oh, wow. I finally met them all.

You're not LPS? Nope. I finally met them all at a wedding. Really? There's a mall here? There's a what? A mall here? No, at a wedding.

Oh, at a wedding. Yes. His brother was emceeing the wedding. That's cute. While up giving a speech, he was playing Pokemon on his phone. Bar Mitzvah D. I was, your brother might have actually nailed it at a bar mitzvah.

I don't know shit about a bar mitzah other than what it is, But he probably could have been at least the MC. His brother's up there crushing the crowd, working the crowd. Love it. Fucking Michael is playing Pokemon under the table. And he denied it at first. I was at the table.

No, I never denied it. Fuck you. I never denied it. We'll pull up this recent years? So I'm over here. I'm off his left shoulder. And I look over and he's down here just. And in my mind, I was thinking, one, I'm going to call you out on this shit.

And two, I need to take it. picture so you can't deny it and I didn't take the picture. Is this like a Pokemon Go? I've heard of that. No, it's it's actual Pokemon like the old games. Okay. Yeah. How old are you?

I was still listening. Exactly. I'm 24. Okay. I'm still listening. Okay. What was. What he was listening for it was either people laughing or clapping. Got it.

Because they would clap and and so here's here's Michael when somebody started clapping he'd be down here he'd hear clapping in the right you know why he's laughing so hard because he's fucking bustling no i i i knew i was doing it i assumed people saw me you assumed in the back oh yeah yeah i can't with him you know he doesn't know where'd you find him jihitsu okay he doesn't know rule one of when you're in a hole that you should probably hide the shovel because he will just start huckin dirt over the top of it he's honest no he didn't Yeah, it was Jiu-Jitsu. You were a white belt when we met?

Yes. Are you a strong purple belt at this point? He's a strong. He's a very strong. Technically, very, very strong. Awesome. Purple belt? Did I guess it right?

Yeah, he's a purple belt. Yeah, just saw it. I knew it. I knew it. When did you get a purple belt? Year ago, year and a half? Last summer. Yeah.

Okay, so. About a year. Yeah. That's awesome. No, very technically proficient purple bow. SBG? I don't feel like that a lot of the time. Well, who you're rolling with?

People that are better than me. you know I've heard recently and I'm curious your thoughts on this even though you're not deep into the jiu-jitsu world a lot of high-level coaches and maybe this is just an example of I don't know people talk about algorithms I think a lot of time there's this chance but I'll see a video and the next year you know I'll see three or four videos that are similar a lot of high-level coaches are saying don't spend a lot of time rolling with people better than you I can see that 80-20 80 though being people that you are better than them you're not yeah I could see that because then you can work what you're good at already and really perfect that. And then 20% get smashed? Right. Yeah. But the other school of thought is 100% of the time pursue people that are better than you, but then maybe you're fighting for survival.

I think that's a bad idea because then you never get to work your game. If you look at boxers when they come up, they always give them matches that they're someone they're slightly better at until they're ready for prime time. Yeah. You know, so they could practice their moves. They could refine their skills. Polishing. Yeah.

polish it up, right? And sparring, they'll bring in the heavyweights for every once in a while, beat them up, you'll learn some things. But as they take in fights and spar more, they're going to polish. There's those days where you need to drive home with the radio off. There you go. Exactly. Questioning life choices. You ever have those days, Michael? Yeah. Yeah. I had a long drive thing. Do I, yeah, do I even like this? Why do I even do this? And that's how you get through it. What time is class tomorrow? God. Yeah, we're off on a team. We're getting side, we're getting a little What the hell are we talking about? We were talking about anti-ascended in America.

How have you experienced it in your own personal life since that time? Well, again, I'm a little bit different because I'm pretty disincentized, right? To it. Just because the way I grew up, frankly, honestly. But what I have seen is I've seen Jewish people afraid. I've seen protests outside of their houses. I've seen swastikas mixed with, again, Davids, right? I don't know what that is.

A swastika? No, McGinn-David. Sorry, in English. McGinn-D-D-Veed. David Shield, the Jewish star. Got you. Okay. That's really alarming for a lot of Jewish people when he makes a swastika and star of David.

The word Zionist is thrown out there a lot. Israel is composed of white Zionist or four words. Michael, what is the technical definition of a Zionist? Right. Let's talk about this. It's always better just to pull up to straight black. white sometimes. Zionism is a political movement that aims to create a Jewish state in Israel and protect the Jewish nation. The name comes from the Hebrew word Zion, which refers to Jerusalem.

Zionism's core beliefs include Judaism is both their religion and a nationality. Jews are one nation, not just an ethic or religious community. Jews deserve their own state in their ancestral homeland. The only solution to anti-semitism is to concentrate as many Jews as possible in Palestine, Israel. Is that the definition as you understand it? Yeah. Okay. So the, the way, the way I understand Zionism, that I believe in Zionism, Zionism is the belief of a Jewish independent state. That doesn't mean there's not a Palestinian state. That doesn't mean there's not a right for Arabs, Muslims, Druze, Ethiopians, you know, Africans, plethora of different people to live in the land of Israel. It just means that the Jewish people should have a right

to live in their ethnic land and have a state. Okay. That's it. How do other people use that term? As a white supremacy. Interesting. Constantly. You know, we, we, We've almost lost that word. I, in many ways, feel hesitant to say that out here. It's just, I don't know if I want to go down that route of being labeled as Linus, but fuck, screw it, I'm going to go for it. And that's just the belief that we have the right to exist in our own state. Yeah.

What will happen is people will argue about what it means. Right, what it means, exactly. Because they hold a different opinion. Definitely. And that's fine. That's fine, for sure. But it has been so farly moved to Nazism and to white supremacy, kind of in this polarizing. is I cannot fucking believe that it is a term that has applied, I've heard it applied to Trump,

people who fall on the right-hand side of the political aisle. I think we should be clear about what Nazis are slash were. I don't think the ideology has died. Right. Because there are people who. They're real Nazis out there. I've seen them. I've met them.

I've been to dinner with them. I'm sorry. You're going to need to tell that story. I can't. We'll have to talk off camera about that. Talk to Ed Caldron. What if it was in a hypothetical... Actually, we have to cut that too.

Okay. Yeah, but it's not... But they're real. Of course they're real. Because in ideology, I don't think you could ever truly tamp it out. Can you destroy its military capability? Yes, I'll point you back towards 1944. Right.

It can 100% be smashed from its ability to influence the rest of the world writ large. can you stop some of them from fleeing to Argentina? No. Can you stop some of that? I mean, look at what happened to the San Bernardino shooters. They never even went and interfaced with somebody that was or is a terrorist. They were interfacing with it on the internet. So the information, if it has the ability to be passed forward, of course those things have the ability to survive.

But if a Nazi is fucking everything that you don't agree with, then it doesn't mean anything. and I don't understand why people can't grasp that content. Is a Nazi the dude in the gray uniform or the political candidate that you don't like? Is the Nazi your neighbor because he has a political sign that you can't stand, which by the way, go onto YouTube and look up people who are electrifying their... I saw that Trump sign. Phenomenal. It's just the initial reaction.

I don't want anybody to get hurt, but it is... But those people sometimes use the term Nazi. And if not, it's just same as any term in the modern vernacular. It's so loosely thrown out. Well, if it applies to everything. Right. It actually applies to nothing. And then it loses all its value.

And all of its weight behind it. Correct. I mean, like, at the end of the day, like, I am the descendant of Nazi survivors. My grandmother was taking to concentration camp at 14. She escaped that concentration camp. Her father was medically experimented on where he had a, I think his left leg was amputated without anesthesia for a pain, pain experiment. I'm going to feel like that experiment was successful and there was pain.

There probably was. Just a little bit. Yeah. Like that's my lineage. Why do we need to experiment on that? I mean, there's a lot of fucked up shit the Nazis did back then. I completely agree. Yeah.

I mean, the pressure, like they put people in pressure chamber. Yeah, you know, you know it all. The United States Navy does that too sometimes. Yeah, I'm sure. But I think there's a little bit. What do you think the dive tables come from? Right. There you go.

Hey, you're going to learn some way. Right. The dive tables are legitimately built off of people being bent. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think they got chambered right afterwards and got, you know, medical attention. But they found the limits by exploring the regions beyond them. American military.

I love it. Some experiments. Some volunteers. Some are volunteers. Yep. That's how it is. Yeah. It's like that.

But no, I mean, so my lineage is surviving that generational trauma. I had a pretty different childhood because of that, right? My mother definitely had a different childhood because of that. And when you go ahead and call me a Nazi, because I believe that I could live in a land of my people. It's a really weird full circle. It's really weird, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, yeah. So. How do you try to help other people deal with that? What is your advice to people who are experiencing this? firstly security first so a lot of times people come to us myself other people to know other jews there's kind of a community of us that come from defensive backgrounds know some things and some people it's like you're probably going to be all right from a safety perspective you are but let's make sure that we insure that right so we've done everything from fortifying um jewish houses

preventing them from like putting a glass film over them gates that sort of work gotten into training, right, making sure they're more aware about their situation awareness, combatives, properly firearms. So far, I like this for everybody. Yeah, 100%. Being self-sustained where you can take care of yourself. Yeah. So allowing them to have the means to take care of themselves.

And also give themselves an outlet to talk about it. It's okay. You could go ahead and call another Jewish friend and say, hey, I'm dealing with this. I've never dealt with this before. I'm thinking about voting differently right now for the first time. Say I go for it. Be that change. Did you think that your community needs to have?

Traditionally, which direction does the Jewish community? Traditionally, left leading. Okay. in especially on the east coast that is turning tremendously fast. Did you watch the RNC? No. Well, there is, you could tell they're really leaning into the Jewish votes. How so?

They had, I mean, rightfully so, we love it. They had parents of hostages on stage. They had a Jewish college student that was suing Harvard as well on stage, and they had a whole subject and kind of dedicated to bring back the hostages and strong as you're all supporting it. And also combating the anti-Semitism that they saw on college campus. So they leaned into that. That's a tough platform to run on bringing the hostages home.

Yeah. Because that's still a tactical problem. But that doesn't also just mean a lie. We just want them home. Yeah. That's tough to wrap your head around, but I understand that. You know, that's the thing. It's like,

still terminates in a really, really difficult tactical situation. 100%. And I wish politicians wouldn't campaign and make those things like their binary. If I'm elected, these people are all coming home. Because you and I know people who will be tasked with making that happen. It's not that easy. It's not that easy. I mean, it's anything but easy.

It can be some of the most complex and dangerous shit on the face of the earth. I mean, we have a soldier from 2014. His body's been in Gaza since 2014 since an engagement there. We're still trying to get him back. Where's his body? We don't know. It's in Gaza. They hold, I mean, there's bodies that have been there for.

Will they bury them or what do they traditionally do with the body? Depends. they'll either bury them where they'll keep that location they're a lock and key until you know you give them something like Israel will give trade prisoners for bodies

very often this will happen um bodies don't look that good after years. No but really what it comes down to is you're making the family whole yeah exactly and in Jewish religion

you have to have the body back and you have to bury it properly like there is actually and it's just the people that after the attacks these really barbaric attacks They have this group called Zaka, which is they're in charge of bringing any little piece of blood. Every piece.

Israel has a group called Zaka? Yeah. Yeah. Israel Jews just do in general. When a body has to pass over and be buried, you want to gather as much as it as possible. And so they had to go through all these different communities and collect every single drop of blood, whatever they could, whatever they could salvage. And there's some still working with archaeological equipment to try and get those bones and those pieces of fragments back. So that's just part of the Jewish religion.

What is a traditional burial ceremony look like? Do you have a choice between cremation? Is it mostly burial? So in Israel's whole, you want as much as the body as possible. Okay. And it is buried? Yes. Okay.

And Israel, particularly, it's without a coffin, just a sheet or a prayer or prayer. Okay. Not even a prayer scarf. Like I was involved in an incident somebody passed away. The next day I buried him. Okay. Which is pretty wild to be part of a critical incident. Next day you're carrying the guy.

Cremation, not an option? No. You want a whole body. Okay. Yeah. And that's the process, right? So, you know, they're still fighting to get bodies from, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Conceptually, I understand that desire.

Man. Right. From a practical perspective. Practical and practical perspective. It's different. Not my scale to balance the between the two. Why do you, why did Jewish people traditionally vote left versus right? Honestly, I don't know.

I know there's a lot of Jewish politicians that were, like Kissinger and others that were... Pull that mic towards you. They were Democratic. Okay. So... Is there any particular policy on the left that Jewish people align with more than on the right? No, and I think they're coming to realize that. Okay.

And I'm legitimately asking this because I don't... And this is my opinion, right? Again, just clamor out there. Because, you know, I'm a little... I'm kind of a PC guy. I know you're not a PC guy, but I try and... I'm super PC. What the fuck are you talking about?

PC, right? But I, I... You're a piece of shit, Michael. That's how PC I am. That hostile environment again. Makes my HR rep give me, like, give me those jitters. I never have any problems for my HR rep because it's me. He can complain to me anytime he was, and he constantly does.

I'm sure. But, um... Goes right in the trash. Jewish people to tend to be more fiscally conservative, right? That seems a little bit more to the right. We tend to support Israel, right? Also seems to be more to the right. I kind of don't understand why they're always voting for the Democrat.

I mean, for the left, traditionally, in my opinion. I have almost no knowledge on the subject, so I couldn't tell you. Population area. Like New York has one of the third highest, I think it's like the third or fourth highest Jewish population in the world. New York's historically democratic. Los Angeles as well. I'm going to be honest with you, it pisses me off sometimes when B&H photo doesn't take my order on Friday. Okay.

B and H photo. What's B and H photo? It is the largest goddamn electronic supply store on earth, and they shut it down. Are they Jewish? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay.

I was like, gosh, man, I need to get back on my global conspiracies. Like, they really own all that? Well, they own that particular business. And it is unbelievable. I was in New York not too long ago. I finally got to go to the store. Oh, you said on Fridays, they're not like chickfully on Sundays. Yeah.

Oh. There, no, it's like, well, your orders in the queue, and it'll get processed. on either Monday or Sunday. What do they, what do you get a camera equipment from them? Yeah, that's where I got the new cameras. How dare they?

You want me to make some phone calls? No, I do. I do. I want to respect people's ability to take some days off. All right. Except for Michael. Except for Michael.

Okay. He will be available to receive my commentary. So they're called BH photos? B and H. I wonder if that's for Baruch Hashem. So Baruch Hashem means bless God. I don't know. Could you look up Michael?

Isn't it nice? Actually having somebody in front of an internet. Yeah. Sorry. This is great. I need this. to my life. They are by,

okay, I was just about to say the largest photography business in the world. Really? I don't have a fucking clue if that's true.

Right. Their store is got to be three or four store. No, it's just amazing. I love it. And then they have

a fulfillment warehouse completely unassociated from the store. What did you find so far, Michael? I just found their website but it doesn't say if that's... Like Google,

what does B&H stand for and BH an H photo? Pull it up. Blimey Shriver. Okay. Definitely not what I thought or I assumed. 100% not.

I made a crazy assumption. If you look at my arms, I am not the most religious Jew in the world. Peach comes from the initials of the stores. Oh, okay. So it's from the original owners. Okay. Limey, Schreiber and her husband, Hermit. Okay.

Religious Jews say B.H. A lot, which means Baruchsham. Like, bless God. Oh, it's an abbreviation. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. But again.

Do you ever go to New York? No, really. Are you into camera equipment at all? Maybe I'm going to be. Should I go there? I'm working on that. I spend hours in there. Is it?

I don't know anything about cameras. Yeah. Fascinated by the shit that's in there. Can you get stuff? Still photography. Video photography. And you order it though, right? You don't buy it there.

And they're shipping. You can do both. Okay. Because Oregon would not have sales tax. So. Their shipping is ungodly fast. Phenomenal. So good.

Yeah. We'll talk offline. I'm looking to somewhat get into photography. Okay. Yeah. They would be, I don't know what camera to even recommend for you. Just like basic YouTubeing work. Well, they would have the answer to the phenomenal practical usage of that. Love it. Yeah. Love it. All right. So we were talking about physical security. You're talking about the things that you've worked with people on the security first. And then having leading injury community. Like that's all I could do during after October 7th, right? It was like, I wasn't going back to Israel. I was going to go lose my job and not be there for the birth of my son, which has been crazy, by the way. Um, how old you know?

He is six months. Pretty awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Not your first kid though. It is my first kid. You don't even know what's coming. I don't know.

I mean, I want another one, but it's like, how could I love another one more than this one? Like this is my kid. It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. Yeah. We'll see. Don't, uh, don't let him know that he's your prince. Well, he, yeah.

I won't. I'll just call him prince until he's like three. I have concerns. And then after that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He's going to be a really coddle.

It is, um, way too hot old. I remember. So my oldest is two years older than his brother. Yeah. There's no. There's no. There's no separation of your love when you add another one. No, I know.

Yeah. I get what you're saying, though. Yeah, I know. I just like, it's like, I could never love something more. Yeah. And then there's another one. And then you just say the same thing, but it becomes plural. And you have three kids?

Yeah. That's awesome. Is it though? Yeah, I think so. Are you happy? I don't know. How old are they? Fuck you up.

How old are they? 16, almost 19 and almost 19 and almost 20. Oh, geez. So you still have them in the house? My middle son lives with my wife and I. He leaves for college in three days under a month. Nice. My daughter lives with my ex-wife, and my oldest son has an apartment with his girlfriend.

Huge first step. Phenomenal. Yeah. But I recommend for people, if they want to have kids, I will rent them mine for a weekend, and it's the best birth control. What was your favorite age? I have enjoyed it all along the way. Yeah.

I found it challenging when they were super young because their need for me was almost non-existent from a redeployed a lot during that time period. Yeah. Yeah. But not, I mean, I've never missed Christmas, Thanksgiving holidays. I've missed some birthdays, but I was deployed a lot, but I was home a lot too. Right. What I mean is all three of my kids were breastfed.

I can't really help with that. Like you can model and all those things. But they needed their mom from a life perspective, like living perspective, more than they needed me. But every age has been cool, whether they're just figuring out how to crawl, walk, run, to talk, to be able to play with. At first, you're not going to be able to do complex things with them. And then one day they're going to say to you, Dad, we should get dirt bikes. That's what I'm waiting for. And then you say, go get the fucking truck.

And also, say that in front of mom before we leave. And make it sound like it was your idea. And then say, Daddy needs a KTM 450. Yeah. So, but it goes from, you know, sports to they're going to figure, you'll see the growth of their social circle and the influence that the social circle has. Then they're going to find the other sex or the same sex, depending on how they end up. Wherever they go. Yeah.

I get one all the way. Cars. Yeah. High school. Dreams for the future. Yeah. Being able to do cool things like travel and explore and appreciate new areas, new experiences. complex conversations about life relationships, money, politics.

It's the coolest shit ever. Yeah. It's been great. Yeah. And every one of the fucking gray hairs on my head, which is almost all of them, are caused by my children. I've had about four pop-ups since I've had him. Give a time.

It was literally just when he was born. It comes out. Just hope that he, they, he slash they. No, I mean, if you have more. Right. I mean that in the plural. Yeah. Um, don't, you know, everybody worries about, uh, drugs, sex, alcohol.

Here's your best hope that it all doesn't happen at once. Right. Yeah, that's not a good combo. That's like a wild night. Nope. That is your best bet. Yeah, that's, that's a good call. Yeah.

No, it's amazing. But don't worry about having more. Yeah. Check with your wife first, though, you know? See. Yeah. I mean, she got jacked up. Like, C-section.

The surgeon's like, that was the hardest C-section in my life. Can you imagine carrying a child? Yeah. And they cut you like a fish and they pull it out. I'm not an expert in how fish are taken care of, but I don't think it's a sense. You don't go fishing? You don't go hiking. I have been fishing many times.

My point is, I don't think the procedure for gutting a fish is a C-section. It's a cut, a downward cut. No, it's a horizontal date. They do down? On her, they did it down. No, they did her. You're right. Horizontal.

Yeah, not my first. But they did a cross, yeah. I'm out here debating, like, how C-sections have come across. I'm thinking of my head with me. I guess that's possible? I don't know. No, no, I know that like, like, her C-se sections. And the surgeon was like, this is the hardest one I've ever done.

Yeah. And so she was just jacked up. So well, you're through the abdominal wall. Yeah. The long-term consequences are real for sure. It was a big baby. He was up all in her ribs. Yeah.

22 pounds right now, six months. What are her thoughts on more kids? Oh, she wants them. We both want like three. Three is difficult. I'll tell you why. Two is man-to-man defense. Three, you switch to zone.

And they will never outwardly say it, but I think they secretly Bluetooth connect. And they know it if one goes left. And one goes right. Full back dive is ready. Love it. It's rough. It's rough. It's rough.

It's running around. Because they know. Yeah. Like one of us is going to be good. I'm going to make it. I love it. No. Kids are the best.

It's cool. I'm glad that I had children when I was younger because I can still experience a lot of the things I want to do with them in my super advanced old age. I'll be on Social Security very soon. So I'm a little bit older. And I just have my first one. How old are you? Thirty-four. that you'd be right yeah so I'm like you know what as long as I stay in shape stay young

you'll be early 50s they'll be yeah 20 something years exactly I'm still good to go so my dad had me at 47 that was kind of a trip is he still live no how was how was that how was that growing up with a father that was old right that it was difficult for sure yeah it was definitely you could tell that he was older he was tired you know he'd already had a life before he had my my mom yeah definitely yeah that's sucks because you know they don't love you need less but age they just can't right especially time is real listen there are some 47 year olds that have kids now that are in shape better shape than I am and right and like they have kids and they make it work they're older parents I know out there

but you know also different times back then people were not in the same shape they are now they don't age the same medicine wasn't different but it was it was tough for sure but hey I had a dad I had a dad for 34 32 years so at the other day that's better than a lot of people have yeah some people have a dad or a father only in perspective of biology of nothing else. Exactly. So I can't complain. We were talking, again, we were just talking about anti-Semitism. You're talking about being involved with your community.

Yeah, helping the community out there. If you were a betting man, where does this take us? Do you think that the tide is going to erode on the anti-Semitism? No. So if it does march forward, where does that take us? I still think we're really fortunate to live in America. I have friends that are in England, Europe, and their massive protests against Jewish people

openly calling for destruction of Israel and Jews. I mean, that happens in America, but we're talking, but guess what? They don't have the Second Amendment in England. They don't have the Knife Amendment in England. They have their fists. They have their words, and that's it. So that's a different story.

But what do you think it leads? I see the Jewish vote going to more conservative. I feel they're going to work to try and elect officials that will secure, kill their community. But again, they're a very small voting demographic. And more Jews are learning to take care of themselves, protect themselves, learn how to fight. There's more Jews out there that are just saying, hey, we're here.

Come and take it. I don't know why anybody has to do that. And I'm not pointing that statement towards Jewish people. What I'm saying or what I mean when I say that is, it sucks that any group has to plant their flag in the ground like that. And we can't. one of the dumbest bumper stickers that I think exists is coexist. Yeah.

Yeah. Which is generally attached to a Prius. Right. Usually. Whatever. I'm not judging. With all the different symbols. Yeah.

Yeah. I know exactly that the bumper sticker. I hate that fucking bumper sticker, but I do appreciate the sentiment. Right. I wish that it wasn't like that. Right. But that's the reality of the world. I mean, tribes of it was fought.

Well, they're never going to stop fighting. No. I think I encourage all communities to learn how to defend themselves. We go right back to way open with violence. I think you should be... Everybody should learn violence. Jordan Peterson nailed it. Somebody who is nonviolent is not...

You know, that's not honorable. It just means you're harmless. Right. And when somebody comes to take your shit... They're going to take your shit and kill you and your family. Unless somebody else who's really good at violence shows up. Yeah. For sure.

That's just the reality of the world. When has it ever been different? There's never been a utopian society where another tribe then could try and take something from a different tribe. I don't think there will ever be. There never will be. Yeah. So I do. Community.

Lean into your community. That's what I preach. Where'd the desire for these ultramarathons come from? Where'd you get that wild hair up your ass? So in college, I used to run. I was a crazy vegan hippie runner. Yeah. Yeah.

Why? I was just dumb. Did you grow up vegan? No. What flipped you over to going vegan? Um, who did flip? I read a book called Born to Run, and they talked about this high carb died and just a bunch of stupid stuff. A few trips.

You go high carb without going vegan. I know. I was just stupid. Okay. And I was also into running barefoot, too. I went down a really crazy hard surfaces or? Yeah, hard surfaces. And then I moved to sandals and was running in sandals for a while like that.

And I got into it. And yeah, it became pretty good. You know, I'd run a few marathons here and there. I'd run from one city to another to visit my girlfriend and now my wife at the time. That's what was my form of transportation was running. Kind of weird times. Like going to college. I don't know if it was weird times.

I think you're making weird choices. I was making some weird choices. I mean, it's not what people do in college? They make some weird choices. They experiment a little bit. I had several seconds in college. I have, like one second? Like community college.

You have probably have like one. Okay. That's cool. No. That's more. None. Yeah. Academics were not my strong suit.

Yeah. I was the same way in high school. In college, I was kind of paying for. So I was like, I'm going to do really. Pay a little bit more attention. Yeah. I paid a little bit of 10. I was like 25, though.

But when, though, in that did you decide meat is bad? So it was never an ethical thing. I, from a health perspective, I'm like, yeah, I need to not eat meat. I'm carbohydrates. carbohydrates to fuel my running. Yeah. How'd that make you feel? It made me feel like shit.

How long did you stay with it? Two years. I got down 160 pounds. What was the first meat item that you had? Turkey I killed. Okay. I was thinking you were going to say like bacon. No, no.

I don't like bacon. It's not a Jew thing. I just don't like bacon. Okay. What about a burger then? I love burgers. Steak, rib eye? Every day.

Okay. Every day. How quickly did you start feeling better? Phenomably. Like after a day. Like done. I went turkey hunting, kill the turkey. I boiled it in water.

Did you feel it coursing through your veins? The protein. Yeah. It was awesome. It was so good. Yeah, it was delicious. I moved, so stop being vegan, put on a little bit of weight, move back to America and got fat. Like really fat.

Because America, like, we're the only country in the world where there's a drive-thru that I know of. I've been quite a few countries. Have you seen drive-thrus outside of America? Oh, yeah. Where? France, Italy. A lot of Europe. Really?

Specifically, yeah. I guess I have a limited reach. Actually, you know what? Iceland. I'm wrong. In South Africa, there is drive-thru. Yes, there are a lot of drive-thrus. Yeah.

I am wrong on this on my assumption. Pretty aggressively, but it's okay. Yeah, it's all right. I'll take it. I'll own it. Anyways, I moved back to America. I got fucking fat because it was, you know, why not America? I was working a lot.

Just moved to your train of a room. So for clarity, yeah, that's called a personal choice, not the drive-thruise. It was a drive-thru. I'm going to blame it on the drive-thruis. No, it was a personal choice. That's very extreme ownership of you. Yes. I blame how the fucking drive-through.

Anyways, it became like 260. So one from like 160 to like 260? You weighed 260. Yeah, I know. How tall are you? 5-8. Man, you were shaped like a pair. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I'm the same weight. I'm four pounds from a UFC cutoff for heavyweight. It's 264, I think. And nowhere near the height. No, where to the height of muscular build.

So I was like, no, this is not good. That's like Francis and Ganyu. That was exactly what I thought. But cut in half. Vertically. Short Jewish kid. Two 60. And yeah, like, I'm not a small guy, but like, yeah, I'm not a 260 dude.

What did that feel like walking around at 260? You know, I still, it was pretty bad. I still was able to be like, quote unquote, athletic, workout five days a week, moved, do some, you know, basic workouts. But it was all diet. How was the path out of that? Well, it was difficult, but it was great. So it started with me deciding to run a marathon for four days of training. Okay.

So I did that. Very David Goggins? It was, yeah. Do you know Goggins? Not personally. Yeah, I don't know. We've crossed past a few times, but I don't know. Seems like a cool guy.

Actually, I like a lot of the shit. People give him a lot of shit. I think, like, honestly, he's motivated people every day. Yeah. Why the fuck not? Like, go for it. I'll be the first person to give him credit for the motivation that he is. Yeah.

Yeah. That's awesome. So I did the whole Goggins thing for a bit that got me down at like $2.50 because I ran that marathon and stuff like that. And then, which is probably just water that you lost. It was probably just water and stuff. And then, you know, I had a friend, actually from a friend from the local veteran military

community where I live in Oregon. Pim me up. He actually wanted to get me into bodybuilding. So I went down that path. While you were 250. Yeah, I started at 250. And then I got down to 202 for, actually, 295 for a physique show. How many steroids did you use?

We don't talk about that. Why? Pussy. I was on testosterone replacement therapy. No, no, no. You were on testosterone. Right, no, true. It was not fucking therapeutic.

Okay, so I have to be... It's called steroids, sir? Yes. Why do you have to be so sensitive? I am on T or T. No, for sure. You should be. That's great.

I mean, I think any guy after 40 should definitely be on TRC. Social Security in several months. Should I have been on TRT at 30? Can we stop calling it TRT? It was fucking. Should I have been on juice at 30-something in my early 30s? Definitely not. No.

Was it a good idea? Probably not. Did you win? But I did pretty well. Okay. And guess what? Life's about the choice you make. I lost 55 pounds.

And that gave me the muse, like the ability to drop that weight, it gave me that motivation, Caggan, and sit out and stuff like that. And then from there on, I stopped doing that stuff. Been doing that for about two years of bodybuilding and such. And then I was like, you know what? I just loved the push that running gave me. Like I loved fighting. It's fighting yourself for hours at a time. And I said, fuck it. I'm going to start running again. I did. And then, you know, I usually, as you see, go through things full bore and sign up for two ultramarathons. The steroid thing is interesting how people don't want to be honest about it. Well, here's the thing. Obviously, I'm just fucking with you.

Adults are responsible for their decisions. Right. Can steroids be used safely? I'm not a doctor. And the doctors that I have spoken to, yes. Are there consequences potentially to your actions? Yes. If you go into that from an educated perspective and you want to do a cycle of steroids, I am by no means advocating people who do that. What I'm saying is, though, if that's the path you want to take, it's not for me to stand in front of you. But do not piss on my fucking head and tell me it's raining. So let's back into that really quickly. So I think at least the hesitation to talk about doctor prescribed therapy, I'm using quotes right now. Oh, there's plenty of doctors out there. There's plenty of doctors. Who will give you whatever amount of testosterone you want.

Exactly. And it's not therapeutic. But here's the thing is there's kids out there that think that, you know, just, yeah, I'm on TRT and they're like 21 years old. Well, you're going to be now for the rest of your life because you just fuck up your endocrines. Exactly. And I actually got off of it completely. It was hard.

And like, I had to be really diligent to do it. that it's more for that like you don't want kids to think hey yeah I'm gonna just take TRT now and then they're like but I'm fine I have a doctor I'm using my blood work but you're taking hormones at 21 years old and here's so it's more of that that route as well not only are you lying to yourself in that moment but a doctor out there somewhere is a willing participant too and that's the sad part it sucks there is my dad 76 we were I recently had a woman on who is a hormonal specialist from Canada right I asked her directly you know is there

is there really any negative consequence to have a my father have his blood work and potentially start hormone replacement therapy. The reality is at his age, even if you were to take the most extreme complications, he'll probably time out before those were to catch up with him. But it might extend his longevity. It might extend, you know, my bone mass, strength, all of those things. That argument or conversation or somebody who's in their maybe late 30s who has a different, because all of our endocrine systems are different, early 40s, I'm so willing for that conversation

with doctors who are being responsible and you're getting your blood work done. Well, you're describing the 20-year-old who's, oh, I'm on T-R-T because the doctor will write them whatever the fuck they want. Like that not only is so horrible for the person, but the doctor and also for the ecosystem if you want to call it TRT at large as well. That's how it really changes people's viewpoint of it. Exactly. And it's concerning because, I mean, hormone therapy is serious, especially when it comes

to children as well. Yeah. You know, even younger than 21 that use it for other means. And, yeah, we have to, I mean, doctors do a oath to do no harm, right? But I've seen so many doctors do so much harm to so many people over the last 10 years. It's where it comes down to me. I'm far less concerned about what people say and far more concerned with what they do. Exactly.

You can take whatever Hippocratic oath you want to. It's maybe the Hippocratic checkbook was more important to this particular. It really is. It's kind of what it comes down to, man. No, it's all money at the end of the day. So that's where, that was my, my, my, my, my. My journey with testosterone replacement therapy. Sterexorical?

Stereids. Yeah, let's call them what they are. Steroids, right? Yeah. Dr. prescribed steroids, right? At your age, at the age that you were taking them, you weren't replacing shit and it wasn't therapeutic. Not at all.

Yeah. Not at all. But maybe, though, I'll say this, maybe I did have low tea because of my diet and lifestyle choices. Maybe. Because I did. I mean, I had very low tea, but maybe if, like, I had just cut off the cheeseburgers and the drinking six-pack a night, I wouldn't have a low tea.

100% would have had an impact. Probably would have, right? As now being 34, running 30, 40 miles a week, lifting three days a week. Yeah. And I still fuck off with the cheeseburger like twice to three times a week. If you don't give yourself an out a little bit, what are we doing here? Exactly. What are we doing here?

Actually, you know, I've switched more burgers now without the cheese. Yeah, I mean, whatever floats your boat? A little bit, you taste the meat more. That's important. That's fair. Yeah. Dude, tell me about this wine. Let's talk about wine.

I'll go and drink some? Just a little bit. No, I got to do it. What do you got to do today? I have to drive back to Oregon. I'm not going to, like, after a glass, not saying when to drink drive. Well, first time, I don't have the appropriate drink. You don't have the cups here?

So now. Okay. Next time you come on. Hard pass. We'll bring Bernardo next time. We'll bring Bernardo. We'll go pinky up and we'll get shit-faced and Michael will designate it drive around. Love it.

Let's talk about this. So this is Dantless Wine Company. They're based off Forest Grove, Oregon. I've been working with them for quite a few years. This is not me pitching. Like, I've been working them influencer. They're friends of mine. Okay.

It was a million. You have this, okay, a different bottle, but same company. Right. So what we have here is it's a military-inspired wine company that has a mission to support veterans. Okay. If you look at the bottles, they all represent a historical moment, military and history. That's a pretty, you have the Pacific with you right now? I do.

That's awesome. The 2020. That's pretty badass. So people can see Pacific Theater. It's legit. And they're all Forest Grove, Oregon, primarily doing it. Do you know wine much? I mean, I tell people I'm a Somali, but I'm not traditionally trained.

How far are you from Yakima? How far are you from Yakima? Washington? Yeah. Uh, Michael? No, because I'm saying there's a small a course in a, um, in spring. Oh, no. I don't need to go to the course.

One weekend. Because I can get the pin on Amazon. That's true. That's true. So it's a, and let's be honest, if you use some big enough words, people don't know what the That's true. Wine with the mission. They decided to start a wine company, um, that really look back at the historic roots of,

of, of war and veterans. What do they do after, after campaigns? Many times speaking farmers. And that's what inspired this is veterans returning to their land, making grapes. Sherman. Right there. Yes. And produces some really good wine.

Okay. One of the awesome things, though, about this organization is they also have a nonprofit called the Dantland's Veterans Foundation, which puts agricultural grants to veterans getting into ag. Really? So when Farmer Joe just came back from actually, maybe he was served 10, 15 years ago. He needs a new tractor. He could apply for a grant, and there's a check if he, if he's a, if he's, you. select an applicant, a check's written out to him, here's some help for your tractor. The whole idea is to bring veterans back to the soil, back to...

I like it? Yeah. Gladiator. Same thing. Okay. Just they don't die at the end. They actually go back to their land implant. Hampton Roads.

What do we got here? So, do you know about Hampton Roads? No. Okay. So there was a, and I'm paraphrasing right now again, Internet, light me up. There was a historical battle in the Civil War between the first iron ships. It was between the South had like eight. semi-sumersible and then like the north I might have mixed us up as one of the other had a just

completely uncovered iron ship and they fought each other at like the battle of technology and they say it was like this big pivotal time in um naval history actually you should know this shit why because it's navy yeah I don't know anything about the name nothing but the regular navy I know the pay scale okay that's important there you go Miguel the battle of hampton roads was the first engagement of Ironclad warships during the Civil War. Ironclad. Isn't that the name of the production company you work with? It is for changing.

I don't know if they have any. You know what? They are based in Virginia, though. There you go. Which, you know, maybe that is it. I don't know. I'll have to ask Jeremy. Okay.

Ironclad warships during the Civil War and was fought between the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia. One either side could claim victory. The battle demonstrated the viability of ironclad technology and provided a glimpse into the future of naval warfare. All right. Yeah. All right.

So just, you know, there's a little bit of military history in each one of these bottles, which is awesome. I brought you the most manly ones. Okay. And these are all from Dantless? These are all from Dantless. Okay. Forrest Grove, Oregon. And do they sell this stuff online?

Yeah. They get, there's weird rules about wine online in some states. Ship nationally, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've tried to order some wine. I don't know. Maybe it was an international brand.

Sometimes the vittners, depending on the state that they, I don't know. It gets a little bit weird sometimes. Different states have different identification, like, restrictions, like somebody needs to sign and stuff like. that but yeah they definitely should well we'll take care of you okay yeah you don't have to yeah just i want i mean it's uh it sucks when you find a killer bottle of wine you like and then you can't get it without going to the stage you ever come to organ not really i mean i've been to organ what you do there this is a long time ago oh probably passed through okay what's really cool about these spots it's similar it's not quite as out there as a black

rifle if you go into the tasting room like but it's it's military history you're like almost like a the dauntless tasting room yeah all right we're gonna check that show you have I mean, we have my samurai sort up on the, on the wall. Okay. We've got, like, helmets. You got flags from Iraq from all these different spots. It's a good, it's a safe space, we call it, which a lot of veterans don't have nowadays. Okay.

I'm 100% bringing my wife out to check that shit up. Honestly. She's going to be up in Vancouver City here this next weekend anyway, teaching a jiu-jit-s. In Vancouver, like Vancouver, Washington? Yeah. Why aren't you going? And why don't she do some... It's a women's camp.

Why don't she go into a wine tasting afterwards? Because I didn't get invited. She didn't get invited. She didn't do that a gym. It's a literally of women's camp. I know, I get it. Which gym is she at? There is now, so the SBG headquarters is in Portland.

Portland. They just opened up a satellite location in Vancouver City. Oh, that's cool. They're hosting it at that gym. Women's only, I think there's like 15 women's coaches, 50 participants. It's pretty cool to see the women's culture growing and doing their own thing. Yeah. I got mauled at the first SBG about 10, 15 years ago.

In Portland? Yeah. That checks out. Yeah. And then the worst mauling at. I've had was from Tim Kennedy. Besides that, SPG is...

When did Tim get his hooks into you? He fucked me up so hard. Yeah, he's done the same thing to me. Yeah. So I, about another, probably five or six years ago, I did one of his courses, a sheep job response. Okay. He's really cool guy, right?

He shows up, he says, hey, do you have a Jew shirt? I'm like, a Jew shirt? He's like, yeah, do you have like an Israeli shirt or something like that, a Jew shirt? So hooked him up, everything like that. Totally not the way to ask that question, but I appreciate that he did. He's a Malinwa. Like, straight up. The next day, though, and I was pretty fat.

then too, right? I was like 2.40, 250. It was on my way up. Yeah, we were starting to roll and shit like that. I'm like, you know, I'm from the bottom and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to do crap. I'm going to try and strike him. It's like, bottom is not a dominant position. You fuck you up. And he starts fucking pummeling me. And then I'm like, you know what? I'm going to run. So I try to run from him. And he's like, you think you're faster than me, motherfucker? And like, the whole gym looks as I'm running. He runs after me, brings me down to the ground stabs me beat the shit out of me and taught me a very valuable lesson if you can't outrun them don't run fight don't strike from the bottom he's a dangerous man just it's just he's a gorilla

yeah i grappled with him when i was a blue belt yeah i was had a chance to roll with him since i would he might be out at origin camp i'm hoping my fucking shoulder is good enough to go by origin camp um but yeah it's i love rolling with guys like him because it shows you what's possible It's like, exactly. It's like there's next level. It's like if we're humans, he's an astronaut space. Yeah. You know, it's like different worldview view.

Yeah. And, you know, I was also just a white. I mean, I'm still just like white belt, blue belt level right now. Rolling with that guy. And then when there's knives involved and like weapons and shit like that, different level. Yeah. The additional tools are just adding strikes. It changes a lot of what I would consider to be non-foundational jiu-jitsu.

I think foundational jiu-jitsu holds up well. Right. And I don't care which path people go down. Sport, Jiu-Jitsu, whatever it is. Like, just Bon voyage, enjoy your journey. Right. Some of this stuff holds up less well when you introduce tools. Yeah.

Yeah. So it was good times. Yeah. What else you're looking forward to in life, man? What else? I mean, I've been working through, still have a corporate job, but it's great. I do enjoy it. I have a small company called Rebel Wellness, which is a health and skin company for men,

which helps men put their best face forward every single day. What's it made out of? Emu oil is my primary ingredient. Emu oil is my primary ingredient. Emu or? Yes, sir. The bird? Yep.

Are they known for excreting their oil? Well, you have to excrete it. From where? Process of their fat glands. I was hoping their balls. Do you animals have balls? I want them to. They should.

All mammal, or not birds aren't fucking mammals. Dada, internet, let me up. Light me up, please, I deserve it. No, but like to produce sperm, you need to have testicles. I might be making that up, but like... I don't know if you're living in 20... Miguel, can you look that up? First off, how sperm is created in animals.

I don't think you can say that in 2024. 24. I didn't I assume any gender. You said to produce sperm, you have to have testicles. I think that's scientifically proven. I'm not sure. Sir. Hello. I don't know if you're keeping up with the science in 2024. Artificial shit. Just let's just fact check this really quickly. It looks like yeah. I'm not seeing anything that says they're it's exclusively produced in testicles, but everything is saying that it's produced in testicles. So the science is. is concluding that pretty much you need to have test goals, but there's always a hope for other people that don't.

It's fake news. Fake news. So, yeah, I do that. It's pretty cool. I've been enjoying it out there. How did you get into that? Being an older dad, right? You're 34.

Yeah, that's an older dad, right? How old were you in your first kid? 23. Your last kid? Let me see, 31. I was like four years older. Okay. It's like, what is a product?

that I could put out to people for a reasonable price, still make good margins on. For parenting? Fucking alcohol. Hey, hence the Dantless wine that I brought here as well, my good friends at Dantless, and I'm plugging. No, but, but, yeah, so I got into that. I've been participating in farmers' markets

throughout Oregon, which has been great. Yeah. Really grill out, guerrilla marketing. You're really going back to your hippie roots here. 100%. Don't go vegan on us again, though. Fuck no. I mean, are you hunting this season?

Oh, yes. What are you doing? Elkin moose. Do you have moose on here? There are Meese Musi in Montana I don't know the right point

Is it a hard to get a tag for her? Incredibly I'm sure Even though Michael and I were hunting last year And had no fucking moose tag And we saw them everywhere Of course We literally were in a truck one day

As the sun was rising And there was a majestic bull moose Totally ridge lined out Just laying there Like what the fuck? That's crazy So where are you doing the mous on? Maine

I've heard it's East Coast is where you can get more readily available tags We'll see how it goes Is that like you're doing that with origin? I am doing it with people from origin So I convert it recently To just American clothing is a thing Okay

And so I'm mostly getting origin clothes Where else are you getting your American clothes from? That's all I'm wearing No, it's just origin Why did you say mostly then? Because I still have clothes that are not American Okay Yeah

All right So like my shoes Really threading the gray air They make shoes? They make boots? Yeah You know so the boots I wear, let's not go too hippie-ish. Well, first of all, I work in a, like, I work in the shoe space in somewhere, so there's certain shoes I wear. Yeah. Like Burkynstocks.

Probably, yeah, we'll just call it Berkens. I work for Berkestown. I work in the Burkestock's World Headquarters. Let's just say that. So I wear those. But I wear these, these barefoot boots. They're made in Mexico. They're cool from a barefoot shoes. Like a barefoot last? It's like a barefoot, like zero drop shoe. Okay. How's the, is there a good tread? There's a pretty good tread for Sure. But it lets your foot splay out. Exactly. So when I wear boots, I wear those. Or I'll wear like my traditional Solomon hunting boots. But they're, do they have a like everyday sneaker? No. No, they have leather boots. Right. So it needs it for the summer if I'm not wearing like. Summer is obviously flip flops. What flip flops do you rock? Toe hold. They're really expensive, aren't they? Yeah. Yeah. Are they worth it? Yes. Maybe I'll look into that. You should. Discount code for Richard? Richard 20?

discount code for all listeners would be cleared hot 50 cleared hot 50 all right that's a good that's a good discount code zero percent zero percent off a g doesn't do that shit no uh they are expensive as fuck yeah and they are the best sandals you'll ever get your hands on i used to rock luna sandals have you heard a luna's no you can get cheaper pair right you can go like if you go exotics stand the fuck by and if you start going exotic with exotic straps can i get a pair under one 50 Uh, no Under two Probably about three Is going to be their entry, I think Okay Flip flops you get for $100

You're going to get $100 flip flop It's kind of crazy though If you think about that nowadays Like a flip flop It's $100 for a mediocre flip flop I know That's why three to $400 for an awesome Yeah, that's true

That's true Chusha And if you want to go crazy You get some fucking stingrays With like sharp That's what I was looking at Those were like 600 to $1,000 Sting rays

might run you about 1500. Fuck. Nice. Very cool. Yeah. They are awesome. I will say, though, there are some issues I have with, with, if we want to nerd out on footness a little bit.

Like from a fetish perspective? That's his, his, his, what was the site we had up one time? Feetfinder. Feetfinder. You ever been on that side? I've heard of Feetfinder, yes. Scroll down here. Look at it.

You get some shark. Yeah. I would skip the Himalayan crocodiles. Those are five grand. The thing about a flip flop is. your toe will naturally, I'm going to get lit up again, but it's cool. Your toe naturally kind of arches down to grab

because it doesn't have that heel support. That makes sense. So your toes don't splay up naturally. So when I wear like a flip-flop of some sort, I like to have a back, a back piece, just to have that natural bend. Like a little rise, you mean? In the back, I want my heel connected.

So my toe doesn't grab, it anchors up. So you're like a little barefoot. Yeah, exactly. A more natural movement. Okay. I would just wear some women's lifts So far are you then? What are our lifts?

Like I like Jesus sandals or crox. Not crocs. Not kind of, but I like the back. Like, okay, so, canes. I have this back here, this back heel. Yeah. That keeps my toes from scrunching as I'm walking. Those look like they came in with a six pack of dick.

They're, that's good. Tusha. No, these are far better than crocs. No. No. I don't know. Respond. I'm lost.

You're in the headlight. Like, what do I say right now? Do I just be like, no, you have a six-pack of dick. Like, where do I go from there? Minimum of a 12-pack. Minimum 12-pack, no. That's what I'll rock when comes to sandals. Okay.

How are we on the spot? I don't know. How did we get there? You wanted to nerd out on footstuff. And then you said, you need to wear a wedge, a women's wedge. No, no, no. I think he misinterpreted it would have. I like to have the back of the heel covered.

That's all I'm saying. All right. You know, but maybe. Listen. When you give me a 50% discount to... Clearhot 50 is, like I said, for it. Absolutely fucking nothing off.

There you go. We'll go for it. I'll see if I can talk to A.G. Who's A. A.G. is the owner and founder of Tohold. He's been on the podcast. Interesting backstory. Oh, cool.

I'm sure I could talk him into a discount. If it's greater than 1%, that would be shot. Okay, let's make it happen. He would be like, fuck you. And I could probably chip away at him and maybe get 0.05% off. We'll go for it. Yeah. We'll go for it.

So besides the main hunt, You're doing moose there and then you said you're doing deer here? Guaranteed deer tag for a resident Montana. So you'll get a deer elk combo and then I have some other elk tags. Just doing rifle? Yes. My shoulder is fucked. Yeah.

Bow hunting's hard. It is hard and right now I could probably pull a bow but I want to get back on the mats as soon as possible. So I'm going to take it very easy on my shoulder. Right, right, right. So there'll be rifle for the year. What are you shooting 300 one neck? Indeed. I suppressed.

Of course. The only way to do it. That's awesome. I'm a gentleman. Do you have units out here? Like you apply for units when it comes to tags or just open? There are special draw units and then there are general units. Yeah.

So general is a guarantee for a resident. Special draw. I have yet to draw one. Got it. Got it. Yeah. Oregon has just hundreds of, tons of units. Super hard to draw.

Do you have a guaranteed tag as a resident somewhere? Yes. I do. I have general. It's one buck. So you have like general, you have one buck. What about elk? Oh, as well.

Okay. It's one buck, one elk, but it has to be horned, right? Can you shoot a dough ever? Yep, that's a tag. That's a draw tag. Okay. There's some units where it's either sex for, like, bow. Those are mostly units are private, right?

But for the most part, it has to be like a buck. Okay. Yeah. So it's pretty hard hunting. Like, we don't get as big elk as you'll get in other spots, right? You guys have a different species. Yeah, the Roosevelt. Yeah, the Roosevelt all, yeah.

But they bugle-a-lough. They come in hot. Smaller racks, because it's so, like, dense and woodsy, but big bodies. So that's just important, right? Did you try the bison I dropped off for you last time? Yes. It's good?

Bison is quite good. I love bison. I'm trying to z out my freezer. Like, it's Operation Eat All Red Meat. That's all I do now. So Operation Phil freezer can begin. It's a vicious, self-looking ice cream con. It occurs every year.

Last week, I discovered that I unplugged my freezer. Did you catch it in time? No. Oh, no. Yeah. Those are real science projects when that happens. It's so gross. Yeah. Like the maggots and what I would suggest is wheel it out with your garbage can and hope that they take it.

So it's that they won't. So I refros it and I already know where you're going with this. That's a smart plan actually. Yeah, refroze it. Easier to deal with. Exactly. Loading up in the truck and then my buddy has about 200 acres and we've dumped we also lost another. He lost a freezer last year too. So we have a freezer burial ground on this property. God, that's where we dump the pigs after ice courses as well. When you put the work in, though, and carry those things out on your back, you have a loss like that, it is emotional. Luckily, I have it because of October 7th. There was no hunting for me this last year.

So it was mostly just my cow, which did have as much sweat, but it still had financial implications to it too. And they fucking, I love eating to meet every day. And so, yeah. All right. Yeah. What else, man? What else would we chat about?

What else should we chat about, man? I mean, like, so how was your transition? Like the last few years, there's just something person I want to ask you. It's like, you, where'd you transition to media from, because I know you, I've heard that you. What do you mean by media? So you went from working for CrossFit, right? You got all the service. You worked as a pilot, right?

Yes. And then what was the leap that got you to working in the media space that you do nowadays? To be honest, I don't even, like, how did it appear? If people were to ask me what space I work in, I don't know how I would describe it. Right. So I was in the military. I started, I found CrossFit by using it to rehab from when I got hurt. Okay.

Was introduced to the founder and some of the key personnel and started moonlighting while I was still in. After my last deployment in 2010, I went from teaching at the seminars to working on business, managing sponsorships, licensing deals. Yeah. And Greg's pilot. After that, I transitioned and basically I was doing almost, when I stopped working for CrossFit, I found myself in a place where I had to do everything. Any opportunity that came up, it was yes. So I was doing charter aviation flying.

I gained a lot of that experience flying for Greg, and I was able to get a lot of aviation experience in intros to charter companies while working for Greg. I had been a fan of skydiving ever since I had learned his skydive. So I had been skydiving a lot personally, but I started being introduced into the sponsorship world of that, teaching skydiving on military contracts and a little bit of public speaking. So the pie had like, there's probably some other stuff in there that I'm forgetting in the moment talking through this real time.

But it's called four pieces of the pie. The aviation stuff eventually went away because it was too hit or miss. Right. And a lot of the times when you're flying big jets, you're going to amazing places, not with your family, with other people's families on holidays you would want to spend with your family. There's wear and tear to it. And it's infrequent. So I got the ability to basically pay my bills through military teaching and being a sponsored sky. diver and base jumper. While I was a

sponsor skydiver and base jumper in 2015, I did the high altitude jump in the wingsuit, which we did a fundraising project around. During the promotion of the fundraising project, I was introduced to Joe Rogan. That's how I got on to his show the first time through a mutual friend named

Tate Fletcher. Oh, and from back in the day, the UFC. Correct. Yeah, tough. Tate introduced me to Joe, was on the show with me the first time I was on with Joe. The second time I was on with Joe, I was on by myself. As I have been in the subsequent times. But that was, it was Joe's suggestion for me to start a podcast, which I am not unique in

that by any stretch. She's probably spawned 10,000 podcasts. So it wasn't a written-out architecture. Right. It was, this is an opportunity that's in front of me. So I'm going to see where it goes. That's awesome. How do you know Tate?

I met Tate. So the first podcast I was ever on was called the Wodcast podcast, a CrossFit Pacific Pod. It was up in the L.A. area. He was one of the hosts. I met him. He introduced me to Brian Callan and Brandon Schaub. I did The Fighter and the Kid. And then I did Joe's podcast.

So I met him randomly. Does he still have Caveman coffee? I don't know. I haven't talked to Tate in quite some time. I was a fan. Yeah. He's awesome. He seems like a great guy.

He's fucking awesome. Intellectual, smart tattooed jujitsu dude. Yeah. Okay, very cool. Yeah. He's still playing around in the movie space too, acting. He's like a Mandalorian or something like that or some Star Wars, or something like that. That's really cool.

Yeah, but that's, I mean, that's how it arrived here. You just picked it up and ran with it. So you go to Austin a lot for the Joe's podcast? Oh, I think I've been, the times, I've been on his show more times when he was in the LA area. Got it. First, it was his original studio, then his newer one that he had built there. And then I think I've been to Austin twice. Has it been to the Comedy Mothership?

I haven't. I've seen, I've walked around out front of it, but I haven't been to anything in it. I went a few, like last month, I think. How was it? It's pretty cool. Yeah. I will say, though, what's really awesome is security is legit. Yeah.

Like all kids with cauliflower ear that you know will just fuck up any drunk asshole. That's how it should be. That's how it should be. Totally. They eat no violence. So full circle there. That's really cool. Yeah.

Awesome. Not intentional by any stretch. No, no at all. There's no foresight behind that at all. I, in hindsight of my life. Yeah. The only goal that I really knew that I wanted to do was be a seal. That's awesome.

And I never thought, to my own detriment, almost. I never thought about what I was going to do after that. How many years in the seal teams were you? 17. That's a long time. Yeah. I mean, I know people. And there's a lot guys out of 30 years, right?

But I didn't, I had not thought about what my life would look like. Right. Pass that. Fortunately, I did. About halfway through my career, I started thinking about it. And that helped me line up what I was going to do next. But I still, to this day, at 46 years old, couldn't tell you what I want to do with my life. I was going with it.

Yep. Being responsible with it. Sometimes. Mostly. Were you jumping last week? Yeah. Okay. With a shoulder?

Yeah. Was it already hurt? Yeah. Okay. Responsible. 46. Get some. Yeah.

All right. Cool. Love it. Sometimes you just got to go for it. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. So.

We've been out for two hours. I think we've been out for two hours. I think we covered a lot of good ground. Hit me up when you want to come back again. I'll see if we can drag Bernardo back on here. Let's try and do it. I got some, I got some, I'm going to try and bring somebody from your community, but on the other side of the pond over. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What do you want to close it out with? Well, close it out with this. Your businesses. Right.

Let's do that. How can people find your business? Yeah, for sure. So you can find me at Rebel Wellness, P-DX, Instagram. Just started that this last week. But what's the website for the product? Rebel WellnessPdX.com. What is the PDX?

Portland. Is it? Yeah. Why would you do that? Because it was a domain that was open. Okay. I'm learning. We're in the process.

We're going for it. Rebel Wellness.com. Is that open? All right. Yeah. Legal things. I fucking hate your website name. So here.

So, again, we'll post. Pull that. We'll post this in the show notes. And then we also got, we got to look at Donless Veterans Foundation and then Donnell's tasting rooms as well. Yeah. I'm definitely bringing my wife to one of those. You really should.

Oh, we will. That's a fucking guarantee. Yeah. And also just find me on Instagram. Honestly, I'm going to open it up now. I've decided to. I don't care about the internet of Palm and Pine, open account. Here's the deal.

There's a lot of downside to the internet. Right. You and I wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't for the internet. True. There's so much positive. I think humans have. have a negativity bias. You'll get 99 positive comments, one negative, and you harp on it. Yep. Strip. Tug of war, right? It's tug of war with you and an invisible person on the

internet you can't see. Let go on the fucking rope. It's done. The rope's cut, rebel wellness. I'm also going to be posting fitness tips. I want to help some other people on their fitness journeys as well. I had posted some good travel tips on my Instagram recently. Did you see my travel tip, Michael? Yeah, it was, it was pretty bang. It was a lot. It was a banger. It was a when you put the nozzle in your car to fill it up and you go take a piss, when you come back out, make sure that it actually put gas in before you drive down the road. I always have wide-mouth bottles with you as well. I went another five miles down the road and then just stopped and actually filled up my car.

Some fucking idiot. Did you find his crazy website on PDF? Yeah, I didn't find it. I found this, though, which is very interesting. That's definitely, oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh. Oh, so this is your site, Richard.

Okay. So, yeah, I think this is it. My partners are going to kill me. Why are they going to kill you? This is just a side project that is a, this is top of funnel feeder. I actually can't find it. Are you sure? Okay, hold on.

What did you say it was, Rebel? Let's go ahead and let me say. Try Rebel. Dot heart. Or Rebelheart. com. Rebelheart. PDX.com.

Oh, it's dot PDX? Yeah. Hold on. I'm making that up. I'm answering your question as if it's my fucking website. I have no idea. Yeah, I'm the one that's on the podium right now. What fuck is my website?

Let's just cut to my Instagram of palm and pine and cut there. Okay. Let's just do that. I'm like, what's going on right now? But also check out rebelheartpdx.com. Let's go ahead and do that too. Can't endorse them or, yeah. We don't know what it is, but we're not going to scroll down any farther.

We're just going to find me of palm and pine on Instagram, which is now opened up. Rope is cut. And you're going to be my first new follower. I don't follow you? No. It's not intentional. It's okay. I understand.

Let's get you on the road, dude. Let's do it. Cool. Thanks for the time. Cool.