Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - Shenanigans with Mike Glover and Jarred Taylor

Episode Date: March 10, 2023

The title is pretty accurate, this episode is mostly shenanigans. We recorded this after our most recent leadership event in Dallas. Mike spent 18 years in the US Army and as a government contractor for OGA (Other Government Agency, it was probably the CIA but who really knows these days). He served as a SGM (Sergeant Major) in Special Forces in various positions and deployed multiple times to combat theaters. He is an expert in Counter-Terrorism, security, and crisis management operations and is the host of the Fieldcraft Survival and Mike Force Podcast. Mike is an avid outdoorsman, overland, traveler, and hunter. He has a bachelor's degree in Homeland Security and resides in Utah, where he is the CEO of Fieldcraft Survival. JT grew up in the Pacific Northwest. After graduating from North Kitsap High School, he shipped off to Air Force basic training to become a Munitions Systems Apprentice. He later opted to go through the process to become a Tactical Air Control Party Specialist (TACP). In early 2013, JT met his business partner, Mat Best, and, together, they began producing Mat's Youtube Channel, "Mbest11x." After 11 years on active duty, JT separated from the Air Force in November of 2014. Sign up for our new G14 newsletter here: https://www.clearedhotpodcast.com/exclusive

Okay, got the red smoke. Gun runs. North and south. West of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, Kathy, west of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Come on, one minute.

Get me. How's that John Jones fight? Super lame. Is that 42 seconds of it? God, that was so lame. Was it lame, though, or was it an awesome display of a dude who has an amazing technique?

What I thought about last night after he watched that, I'm like, if he did that to that big ass dude, nobody's going to be able to beat John Jones in the heavyweight. And was it a true display of the entire myth around him? What the fuck does that mean? Well, everybody who says, he's unbeatable. He is the greatest.

He is unbeatable. He walks in a ring after three years of not walking in a ring, and in 45 seconds he walks out winning it. Dude, there was a lot of pissed off people in those that put a lot of bets. I'm just trying to think, like, does it have to go to five rounds of just a banger fight for it to prove that he's the best ever? Or does the fact that he nuked that dude in under two minutes prove that?

That's what I feel. I feel that. It's like a Hercules thing. It's just not as fun for the audience because I mean, let's be honest. They're not there to watch two dudes up against the cage wall. They're there to watch fucking gladiator fighting. That's what they want. They might not be able to say that, but...

Yeah, it's like NASCAR. You go to NASCAR to watch the potential for chaos. And when it doesn't happen, you're like, But when it does happen, you're like, yeah. Who goes to NASCAR, though? I used to go to NASCAR as a kid. Really? I grew up in Daytona.

Oh, okay. For a period. That's fair. Watch a Dillardt. But think about this. You know that there was somebody last night that lost a bet that probably got their legs broke or some sort of fights happened after the fight. There was better fights that happened in alleyways after.

That's true. Somebody who couldn't pay. Better or longer? Just longer. That's the thing. people you know you pay for a pay-per-view in the fights leading up to it first off the schofchenko fight where she got her back a jumping back take dude that was awesome to a rear naked choke hole but it looks like it was a little bit it doesn't matter because her head was

purple and it was about ready to pop off that was amazing that was a fight that was a legit fight that was the best fight of the night I mean but to see the belt transfer like to see to see her win the belt and take it away that was really really for yeah that was pretty badass and she I believe she was a pretty heavy underdog. Yeah. We, I don't know why we're talking about reasonable things. This is not what we're,

not what we're here for. You guys want to butt fuck? Well, so I wanted to ask, I've had a question for Mike for a long time that was, you know, I was just waiting, waiting for the proper setting to get, to really ask because it's something like I'm seriously curious about

and I'm hoping that he'll give us the most honest answer. Oh, Lord. What was the first, When was the first time and kind of what was a scenario playing in your head when you masturbated to Andy? Well, that was a very long time ago, JT. Should I leave at this point? I think the whole butt fuck thing with Evan is pretty funny. Can we talk about that just for like three minutes?

Here's the thing. There is a really, really narrow sweet spot of people who think it's funny. And they are people who came from a working environment. And I'm not saying it's just from the military because I worked on a construction site with my father when I was young. And many things like that were said completely inappropriate, completely non-politically correct. I found them to be hilarious. It probably offended the living shit out of everybody else in earshot. So I get it.

I get why people are upset. I also am not too concerned about when people's feelings get hurt because that's kind of on you to manage that. But yeah, yeah, that is funny to us because, like, we were talking. about it in the car, you were actually filling us into this scenario in which it actually happened, which I'll be the first person to say this. If anybody ever, if I ever find myself in a courtroom and a court reporter is reading without context some of the things that I have said. They come out of your mouth, especially to your friend. Oh, my God. I am so fucked. Because it'd be like, da-da-da-da-ha-ha-ha.

Like there's no context. Again, I'm just, I'm just, what I'm trying to say is I get it. I think it's hilarious. I understand the context. I grew up in that world. I also understand how people can be pissed. But to throw it at him like, hey, you should be removed as CEO or you should be like, you're a homophobic or something.

You're a homophobic. He's, none of those things. Well, and you know, the last like three days calling the internet, there really isn't anybody pissed. This just goes to show that this is a coordinated, yet another coordinated pocket of people trying to fuck around, like, and trying to use this as a marketing ploy to slide to a different fucking coffee company. You know what's the interesting one to me is the Act Blue donation platform that people keep coming back to? Have you ever gone on there and made a donation? No. What is that?

But here's the thing. Act Blue is not a, it's a payment processor. But did you know you can self-declare all of your information? So when people go on there and it says all these Black Rifle employees, you can go on there and anybody can write whatever that they want to but people see it they'll do a search of that and people I mean fuck use the internet however you want to but they'll do a search of that it nets the results that provides them

the justification that they want they do they don't do any further research like I went on the platform and I was messing around on it like oh none of this is verifiable I mean it's verifiable in their system you can search their system of what people actually put in but you can put in whatever the fuck I can go in and donate for Mike

I've done it. Yeah. I don't understand that quote. What is that? What is the ACABU thing? It is a, think of it as a way for you to take a credit card and donate to a, and it is for,

I think it's exclusively for left. I think so. Yes. If it's not exclusively for, if it's not exclusively for the left, it is used in that manner almost all the time. Mac Blue is Blue Democrat. Win Red is the, is the conservative side.

Okay. So Win Red is for Republicans. So you have your, you have your credit card. You have a, party or a person that you want to, in this case it would be a person that you want to donate to. Yeah. So how do you get your money from your credit card to that person? Direct payment processor.

Yeah. So Act Blue is the mechanism that the money leaves your account. So look, it's a nonprofit technology organization. Like, yeah. So when it's the claim, what's the claim? Everybody keeps saying that they don't. They think it's a movement. Yeah, they keep saying that they're donating to Act Blue.

And again, if they're on the left. and right, there's whatever you want to support. You're in the middle with your credit card. You have to have a mechanism, just like Stripe, what you're dealing with. I'm not saying it is Stripe. I'm saying it serves that role of your credit card, your money from your wallet to a payment platform, and then gets distributed. So people keep saying that, oh, you're donating to Act Blue. To Evan or the employees? Anybody. Both, actually. Or anybody? Or what was the one on the right? Win Red. Win Red. It's not that you're not fucking donating to that platform. Your money is passing through that platform to go where you

wanted to go. It's the same. And he donated to Tulsi. But that would involve, you know what that shows us, though, is that shows us that anyone that is talking about this in conversation has never donated to any political candidate. Because if you have gone through the process, you would know you would understand what it is.

And this is some of the arguments I bring up because no one shares the screenshot of my donation history. And there's a big reason for that. Everybody under the sun the last like four years. That's right. Right. Bigot. Are you Nazi?

Do you support Nazism? God, I'm so tired of people. The internet is so weird. I'm just repeating the shit that I hear on the internet. Yeah. But I think it's coming to a head, right? A lot of this stuff, like you said. But they're just lazy, though.

And here's the thing is it comes down to this of where's the purity life? Do you know the, do you know the, the, the, The year that Donald Trump ran for president, he donated almost $165,000 to Democratic candidates. Because at the end of the day, there are parts of this country that no matter how much we kick and scream will never go red. So why not us put the ones that we feel are better, the better blues in there than the not? Like, why would you just throw your hands up and let that shit go? And I think that's exactly what Donald Trump's strategy was, is, hey, That's never going to be red.

So I'm going to support the one blue person I want there. Lesser of two-eas. Yeah. Yeah. Is the political party two-party system in this country broken? Oh, for sure. I agree. Yeah, I think 60% of Americans identify as independence now,

which just tells you that it is broken. But the problem is can you get an independent, on an independent platform to get enough votes to win an election? And I don't think that's going to happen. It's become of all the political and power. money for it yeah like you need the back of the big you need like Elon Musk to support an independent candidate you can't a single individual has a cap of 12,500 donation for the family yeah there's some concern like DeSantis I was all pumped the buck desantis but there's a couple things that have come out recently about him shutting down like certain components of First Amendment and I don't I had to

dug in the weeds on it but I just saw the headlines and read through the text did you this on Reddit No. I don't even have a ready to come. I didn't know what ready it is, honestly. I swear to God. I'll expand on that for you a little bit and then what I predict about it is it was not Desantis. There is a Republican candidate or congressman in Florida that is proposing a bill that is going

to require bloggers to register when they're paid for an article. Now, here's what they're trying to combat because a year and a half ago, one of my close friends that I've known through my entire military career who's now very high up as an officer, and he was working in the cyber defense portion of the Navy. And he was explaining to me that every single day China is paying for 50 to 125,000 pieces of media with what they want to throw in. So for instance, he gave me an example. When this whole banning of Confederate flags on basis came about, China was paying for 50,000 pieces of media

that was pro-ban and 50,000 pieces of media that was against ban, a deck. They just wanted to... They're just trying to get everybody to fucking draw a line in the sand. So, I get where Florida is trying to forward-think and combat this because

the entire United States is ignoring it with their fucking hands in their ears going blah, blah, blah, we don't care. But that's not the right way. Because again, you start going into First Amendment, like, rights violations. Yeah. I still think he's the, a DeSantis Tulsi Gabbard run would be my favorite.

Oh, man, that would be. Trump just announced his run yesterday. Even if he gets indicted, he said he will still run. Wait. Like, if he gets indicted, there's a, there's a chance he might get indicted for this. There's another political drama story. You can, no matter what he said he's running. It doesn't matter.

Interesting. I figured there would be some limitations. I mean, it shows you how little I know about what it's required for a presidential candidate. Do you think he'd win? Trump? Yeah. No, I don't think he has a number. What do you think?

I don't think so. And pop. I think he's, yeah, he's made. How far will he go before? Because he's got to go through the primaries, right? Then they have to. For the good of the party, how far would you go to what he says? Until they, until the party says, hey, we can't actually make you our final candidate.

How far do you think it'll go? The very end. I think he would burn it down. You want to know something interesting I learned, looking it up, like out of common sense? Yeah. The president does not have to pass a legit security clearance. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it's like a general. No, no, no, it's not even that. Like he is not required to go through a full security clearance investigation. Like an SF86. That is fucking terrifying. I know. It's crazy. Well, you look at Biden.

He's that had documents in his corvette, like in his barrage. Well, so I can talk to you about that because... Where was that at Florida? Me and Trump share the same attorney, and he's been working on that for a while. The problem with that is the White House has zero process, and Tim has been screaming. Every time CNN puts him on camera to talk about this whole documents thing, he keeps saying, you guys need to change the process. So what happens is, is new president's elected and old president goes out, and a bunch of White House staffers just roll in

and box everything up that's sitting around, and then they ship it to their house. There is no checks or balances of, hey, but also too... How is that possible? I mean, you know exactly how it's possible. It's the United States government. I mean, I get that, but God damn. Like, if you were in the military as a lower enlisted,

like just say E5 in any military capacity, and you did some shit like that, you would be burned to the ground. So context, right? Context is everything. some of these documents like the president's schedule on fucking December 13th, 2016, that's classified, right? Yeah. Is it classified now?

Like, yes, it still has the classification markings when it's printed. But if his schedule from five years ago is sitting around somewhere, does that really matter? And this is what a lion's share of these documents are. They are schedules, there are meetings, there are things that are classified when you are the president. Yeah. They still maintain the classification. Is it five said that to the jag? Jack who's telling me

he'll fuck himself as he's in Leavenworth What about this leadership seminar? You had, it was interesting So we did a leadership seminar How dare you change this? The topic when we're talking about

Politics makes me uncomfortable Between the three of us We know so much about it I know I hate it. I don't know if you guys know this but we're pretty much experts I don't know why Turning Point

hasn't offered us all I know Combined deal I want a Daily Wire show I'm ready to where I set a board shorts and a sports coat. Boat shoes? Yeah.

How do you feel about that, by the way? The whole Charlie Kirk thing. What is it called? Turning point. Like, what is your opinion on that whole deal? I know JT's got one to talk. What deal? Well, it's like they go to campuses

and they do this whole speaking thing and they have very attractive people, both men and women, who talk about all this political stuff and it's activating a student body to kind of influence the country in a positive direction, which is why it's called turning point. But what's your opinion on Charlie Kirk and the whole machine?

So I know almost nothing about him. I do you see those videos because, and this is probably more your world, the YouTube algorithm or whatever it is, they're popular so you see them. And a few things. Like one, I don't think that challenging somebody on their ideas is wrong at all. There's an appropriate way to do it where you can actually, I think, have a, impact on somebody's idea. And if it gets to the point of like screaming at each other, that that potential is gone, I do think that he is setting it up in manners that would be considered

antagonistic intentionally. And I don't mean antagonistic in a bad term, but he's doing that intentionally because he's looking for that reaction because that's what the algorithm rewards. But at a concept of, to me, if you are going to a place of higher education, if we're going to classify it as higher education, then every idea that is put on the table should be open for dissection and conversation. Yeah. The fact that they will say that you cannot talk about certain things or cannot say certain things to me, and this only counts for me, is one of the biggest warning signs that our

country is headed in the wrong direction. Yeah, and campuses that ban them. Any type of censorship like that, and I don't understand the banning. Like, let's look at that for a second. Again, are they banning him because of they perceive that he is coming in there to harass or antagonist students? Like, they would probably, I think they would, that's the lowest hanging fruit. They can say that.

That's the easy one to pick. Well, if you go, it's volunteer. He's staking a stage. You can show up. Correct. But what I'm saying is for that institution, their easiest path to not have a mom would be to claim it's hurtful or traumatizing to our students. Right.

And in the modern era, that's like the number one thing that gets people to shut down. Like, oh, we're not going to do it. Sensitivity. The harder conversation would be to sit down with those administrators and say, okay, we still actually should have this guy come here, but why don't you guys facilitate it and set it up in a way that you don't think is traumatic and traumatizing? And I'd be curious to hear what they have to say because I think they would come back with the idea of it or what they are talking about it isn't of itself traumatic. And I think that's super dangerous because we're just talking about

fucking ideas. Well, the group there, I'll give an objective opinion on it, is they do have some good young talent over there that speaks really well. They're educated and they have they have great a great way to put to put it forward. There's another pocket of them that I call like Lois Griffin season two a family guy when she runs for local office and she realizes all she has to do is take a stage and say 9-11 and everybody goes ah! And like there is a large group of people in that crowd that do that. They get on a stage and they say the election was stolen and everybody goes ah! And And that's it. There's no depth to any of that.

There's no conversation to any of that. There's no presented ideas and facts for anybody to go, okay, well, wait a minute. And so I think, but also, too, they're the only ones going around and kind of fighting the indoctrination that has been embedded into academia that is hard left leading.

Isn't academia supposed to be a challenging of your ideas? And again, I say this with somebody who barely graduated high school in zero college. So I never said, I've set foot on college campuses before. I've never sat through a single second of a lecture. You have zero college? Yeah.

You're a Navy officer with zero college? 1.8 GPA high school. It's not a big deal. That's crazy. You didn't have to go to like the art screen. The transcript where they transcript your military experience until at least an associate's because you got like a free associates if you just actually did the paperwork.

I was not aware that that program existed. Thank you for telling me that years after I've been out of the military. Yeah, it's like a arts. No, I found a program that required no college degree. It's just all the merits of my service record. They don't do that anymore, right? No, they shut it down. Because of lack of participation.

Because of you. To be honest, that actually might be the case. How many of you were there that did that? Oh, he went from, so he went from, you went to E6? You went from... How many of you? Let's be careful with our language, all right? This was like...

If we could just round all of you up in one place. We just want to get a count. This is like battlefield commission shit when your entire platoon was killed. And they're like, you're the only option. You got to bump up. Or you did something extremely. I feel like that description is like really, really. There's nobody left.

But it's not that you're the only option. You're the one that survived. You're the ones that survived. You're the opposite seat. I filled out some paperwork. There was no everybody is killed. Did you do paperwork on that? Yeah.

It was the limited duty officer program. Oh, okay. No, I had to do, it was, I was an E6 at the time. and I went and there's a, it was a package of paperwork. It was the same program in the Navy that a warrant officer and an LDO. The application process was the same, but then you would splinter in two different directions depending on what program you applied for. But it's not a seal program.

It's a Navy program. It is, and to my knowledge it still exists, a Navy-wide program, LDO, limited duty officer. I used to say heavy on the limited. Very light on the duty. What does that mean? Very limited on the duty. Like you don't have to do the stuff that. officers hate?

No. No, I think it's you cannot be a ship captain. No, I could have. I was a line officer. Holy shit. Yep. You should have been a ship captain. That would have been.

I don't know anything about ships. But still, would I have stopped you? Raise the mizzen mast. Let's sit broadside with the cannons. I need you to tie a bowling over there. Yeah, actually, you know, I tie bowling. His rabbit goes around the tree. You know what I mean?

That's it. Yeah. Yes, I put in a bunch of paperwork. And then I did some interviews. There was an oral boat. I was a Bud's instructor at the time, and I went over to one of the classrooms and did an moral board of questions that were not and even remotely creative. I actually, they were looking

down at a piece of paper and like, wrote Lee reading out the questions because they were doing a bunch of them that day. And I don't, maybe it's an issue of like they have to ask people similar questions and the. And you crush those, I assume because that's, I just answered all. I always answer honestly. You guys know me well enough. People should be very careful what they ask me because I will tell them what I think. And like four months later, a message came out. I remember I was sitting at dinner in Coronado and I got a text message. from an officer in the community. And all it said was, hey, man, congrats.

And I'm looking at it. And I wrote back, for what? And he sent me a screenshot of the message that had been released for the people who were picked up for LDO that year. And it was released because they would commission them per month. So October, like the first pick was October, then November to then December. And that sent your rank precedence, I get. And I'm looking at this message.

just like, snump, Andrew Jay, October. So I was... You would be an officer in October. Yeah.

You don't have to do anything else. No, I went to... What was this? That was probably like July. Like three months you're just going to be an officer.

Yeah. In three months, all you all get... I went over to the Navy Exchange and talked to your cousin. Which park was this? No, it was...

John Park. It was. It was in the show show. Dude, it was. It was. It was your cousin and the social show. Sue, John. And I literally said, I need all the officer uniforms and then I need you to show me how to put them on and what pieces go together. Oh my God. And they put it all for me. In October 1st, I was an officer. So how did that, like, you showed up? Did some people not know that because they're like one week they saw you and you're like an enlisted dude. The next week, they're like, dude, what are you doing? Probably. Why are you wearing that? I don't know. I didn't ask him, but probably.

Oh, my God. Yeah. I remember the first time I got slu. I laughed so hard. Oh my God. The first day he walks in and kicks something, have that removed. We never wore uniform. So the first time I ever got saluted, it was after I had gone and switched out my ID card

on October 1st. Wow. From E6 to 01. Were they confused? They must have been like, no. I just had the paperwork. I went in there. You just shows up. I need a new one. Yeah, I went in there. They're like, what the fuck do you want? And I left. They're like, have a nice day, sir. I'm like, oh, God. I drive to the front

The front gate at the seal teams where it used to be in Corna Auto now they've moved down to Imperial Beach and the gate guard looks at my ID and stops off a salute and I was just like and as he walks into the building that he's walked into for every day for years they go oh wait you go in this new door

and as he goes in there's all this new desk brand new computers that's like a skit they're not even out yet this is a skit there wasn't like that at all I was I was wearing T-shirts and I was wearing the standard uniform flip flops board shorts and T-shirt How long were you at Buds for as an officer before you transitioned to a back to a line unit?

I left in October because I was in an enlisted bill at Buds and they already had a phase officer. So the commissioning, my commissioning was my, you know, triggering mechanism to go over to Seal Team 3. So when you showed up with Steel Team 3, because I imagine I've seen, I've operated with Seals my whole career and I've seen how they treat like new officers. and there's just a weird dichotomy between the ranks. When you showed up, I assume they look at you and go, oh, look at this cherry ass. Did they give me a cherry a little bit? That did. No, that did happen.

So my role at Team 3 was the training officer. Yeah. And so I was facilitating in basically the liais on between the training command and Team 3 and making sure, but his training folders were up today. It was super exciting. I did that. But I used to have to go over to the Group 1 ops meeting. And we would wear our camouflage uniforms.

So I had butter bars, my trident, and just straight camis. Yeah. And I would sit there and a few times it happened where like this chief or senior chief would just be like, hey, this is kind of like how we do it, you know, and the seal teams. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. What else? Like, please tell me more. And then, because it's like, just give me a few more drops. And then I would see them later on sometimes in my khakis that have a little bit more identifying the information on them, flare pieces, if you will, war salads.

and they'd be like, oh, hey. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. What the hell is going on here? Maybe you should shut the fuck. That's awesome. That's classic. I just want to see.

I want to be there in those rooms for that. That was fucking awesome. Most of the time I was just doodling and, like, drawing dicks on papers and stuff. That's fucking great. It was wild, man. How many officers do you know, or how many guys do you know that went to that program? Like in the SEAL teams, not just in the Navy.

I mean, I know like a half a dozen. I've never heard of one dude doing that. I heard of one dude. I met one dude. Well, nobody ever says, hey, how did you really, like, if you're a, you know, if you meet a dude overseas and I'm going to like, oh, how did you become an officer? It's just like, oh, hey, what's that, man? Oh, yeah, that's true.

You know what I mean? That's true. But also, the Navy, like, pretty much invented the warrant program. Like, that was a Navy thing. I'm pretty sure, because my dad went from E8 to warrant, and that was like. Do they have a warrant program in the Air Force? No. Interesting.

It would solve a lot of problems, see if they did. SF has a warrant. Yeah, the warrant program is fantastic. It's a great program. For people who are listening or watch, I have no idea what we're talking about. It's basically it's a world between, that's actually a choppy dude.

You're an expert. You're an expert, but you're, it's like, it's weird because warrants, and I say this is never having been a warrant, but I feel like they live in a real world, like naval academy dudes look at warrants, they're like, man, you're kind of one of us. And then the listening guys look at them,

you're like, yeah, you're kind of one of us. But they're like this badass that sits in the middle with technical knowledge, which I believe is what they were designed for. Yeah, for technical expertise. Because they held the institutional knowledge through time and continuity. And so enlisted the disparity between an officer coming in for two years and enlisted going, what the hell are we doing?

They would kind of hold it together. Lawrence and the SEAL teams were usually like senior E7s, but mostly E8s and nines that flipped over. Yeah, because the Navy used to have that requirement. Yeah. Like in your rate, you had to achieve a certain enlisted rank. before so then you knew when you saw a chief one you're like all right that guy knows what the fuck he's talking about so i'm gonna go ask him my first rotation in afghanistan we had a seal

warrant and this dude had a beard like this he was like he ate one meal a day which we thought was fucking weird at the time because we're like wait you don't eat the entire day and then you eat one meal you're crazy dude like it was it like a thing that you intermittent fasted or you fasted period and ate one meal but did he cold plunge and sauna dude he probably did. He was crazy. He was just crazy. But he didn't tell you about it. Yeah. Did he post about it? Yeah. No, he never posted. Didn't happen to that. He would, but he was the technical lesson. He was just sending an email out every time. He was like, he's focused on surveillance and he would do close target reconnaissance vehicles. And he had this weird path, but he was a badass. Yeah. Well, that's why I say like the Air Force really missed out. If you would have made us warrants, that would have solved 90% of our problems.

Yeah. Because what happens is, is I go through three years worth of school and certification. And I, walk into an army battalion as an e4 they go, yeah, they treat you like shit, man. It's like, I always thought certain positions should be like GS contractors. Like you should be at GS 12. Because I had like when I was in GRS with Evan, we got GS ID cards. So you love to say that. I don't know.

I probably am not allowed to say. Well, we got GS. He is responsible for what he says. We got GS cards because it's like, then people could identify it. Like you're on a contractor. And they would respect you. So it's like, what's that equivalent? Oh, it's like a major equivalent.

So, and I don't know. I'm just fucking making shit up. But it's like you get immediate respect. And I've worked with a lot of controllers and a lot of tech peas, a lot of J-Tex that they show up and they're fucking E-4s. And they got comment rotation and nobody on the team has a combat rotation. Yeah. And they're treated like dog shit. Yeah.

It's so stupid. No, that was it. Like my second trip, like I had just gotten done with a double. I did a double back to back, came home and then went again. but I went with a minute, you know, the 82nd, an Army infantry battalion, and they were just nose up for the first like month and a half. Yeah. It's like you got to break this.

That's, I do think that was the benefit of having battle dress BDUs, battle dress uniforms. That error of camo for us, we wore all our badges. So you would have a combat infantry badge, Halo, airborne, SF Ranger. It's a visual butt sniffing contest. It is. So that's important in the middle. People don't understand, like, that hierarchy or that immediate snapshot of what that person's done, it just makes things easier in understanding, like, the person's path.

So you see the dude in IHop, and you're like, that dude's a god. That dude's been in combat. So I have questions. Why would he be wearing that in IHop? So in Fort Bragg, like, all of the things that you normally do, you wear, that's your Garrison uniform. So, like, you would wear a battle dress uniform with your badges, but it would be like the Garrison version, which would be like starched and just pretty. No, I get that, but why I hope?

What's wrong with you guys? Oh, Waffle House. He's in the Army. Why would you do either of those things? What do you do? That's true. I make breakfast at the house. Oh.

Because you're an officer. That's what officer did. Do you make your, officers do you make your enlisted swine? I was going to say, if I was making breakfast at the house in the military, the E4 would be doing it. Yeah, of course.

Counseling him and mentoring. I said scrambled. The Navy is weird like that, man. When I was at E7 and a standing Coronado, training with Sewells. Dude, it was like a, I was like, dude, they treat us really good here. Like, everywhere we go, they were like,

tamering us and sure. You know, have you heard some of the generals with their aides and the weird shit that they required? Oh, yeah. Like a banana cut on the- But Crystal, people from the Air Force

don't get the bitch about boozy stuff, all right? I know, you are disqualified from this fucking conversation. You get like a... But I lived with you. I know, like you did. But you got an allowance because you lived in me. They're all like,

oh, you get a stipend. You got a jambis. I'm like, I'm like, I'm just. sleeping right next to you, you asshole. You get a stipend. I'm just talking about the service branch that you came from, but I got nothing respect for you. You fuckers got issued pajamas and boot camp. Quality.

What is it called? disparity or when you stay in barracks. Cost of living allowance. Yeah, it's like a stipend because you're living substandard. I've seen that. Is that a myth? Maybe. No.

I like it. If it's a myth or not. But I have. I've stayed on a carrier while it's out to sea. Substandard living. Substandard living. I wrote a carriage. from Guam to Australia, and it was some of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in my life.

Really? Holy fuck, man. First off, I got lost all the time. On the shit? There's no map. No, there is a map. I just don't read fucking teetot-tot-tort-tah-tah-tah-tah-tall-the-ch-ch-ch-chrelly. I'm like, 158-8-Tac Alpha 3 Charlie, and I'm like, hey, dude, where the fuck are we?

But, dude, you get, like, walking around in there, and you find people who haven't seen the sun in months. Really? Oh, my God. Same thing as like on nuclear. I did about 30 days on a nuclear submarine. 30 days on a sub? The commande. Yeah, we were doing MSLO MSLI.

So mass swammer lockout, mass swimmer lock in off the coast of Guam. Oh, God. It was interesting, but like, dude, their life is in a fucking metal tube underwater. Their whole career, there's guys who do that job. Yeah. But, you know, so in the aircraft, the, what were on the Nimitz, I think we were on, which I think has since been retired. Yes.

No, we were on the Kitty Hawk. Dude, there's like 5,000 people on that. They had full-on gang-related problems. They had full prostitution rings. Women would walk around with their badges in a clear plastic ID card holder, and they would have, and I was fascinated. I was talking to one of the MPs about this. They'd have like a quarter and a dime. And it was like, so that meant like $2.50 for this, $100 for this.

Like they were, swore to go. Totally overtly. Yeah, there was like pregnancy issues. like fucking violent like it was suicide's a big problem on those I was on a treadmill people jump on bro I was on a treadmill we were in the middle of nowhere and I watched a guy pick a on a submarine no this is aircraft carrier oh okay nothing to do so I was like on a treadmill I don't know why but because I had nothing to do I think and I watched somebody grab a fire extinguisher off the wall and run and jump off the side of aircraft carrier and kill himself no it was buoyant he was what

they were trying to kill himself but the person this fire extinguisher didn't sink it was buoyant So they got a helicopter and they were using it as a weight to try to sink? I think in their head that's what they were trying to do. But they got a helicopter off, got them, and then I think... He's back to work, back at the kitchen. No, no, no, no. They were like in the middle of nowhere, so they had to wait until the range, but they got, they kept flown off the aircraft.

Off the aircraft cure. It was either, I don't know what they do with a suicide attempt, whether it's... I don't think the break, probably medical somewhere, but under supervision. but that was one of many instances that occurred on the ship. Yeah. And then they flew them off once we got close enough to Australia. Dude. What?

The Navy has some weird shit. I was in shock. I'm not going to lie. I didn't stop my like exercise routine, but I was in shock. Wow, dude. So you didn't stop running. You just like, yeah. The fuck am I going to do?

You're like, dude, that's crazy. What am I going to do? Yeah, I mean, you're going to look. They did the whole man overboard thing? You kind of laughed. What does that mean in man overboard? They said, announce a man overboard? Oh, yeah.

Full, like, full on. Sirens. Oh, sirens. Oh, they practice that shit, too. Like, it's, it's no joke. That doesn't make sense to me why the Navy then went to the blue diggy camouflage. Like, you want to not see that your people in the water? Yeah.

It's called the, it's called the cheapest option, I think is what it is. So the leadership seminar. Yep. We got 10 more minutes. We covered actually nothing. Absolutely nothing. Wow, that's a good conversation. The leadership seminar we did.

brought in JT and I didn't know how that was going to go. I had assumptions. Kind of how everybody that invites me anywhere, I hear the same thing. JT's on the spectrum, on the right side of the spectrum of intelligence. But he told that story. It just means he's not on the left side of the spectrum. Like he's not on the handicapped side of things. I'm on the handicapped side.

I think you can say that because you're Asian, but I can. We can say anything. We can say anything. So, um, very tight boundaries. So the. The story of his journey through entrepreneurship was really interesting. It was really cool. I think people really, I think that was like the bonus.

People were like, whoa. You could learn to people's experiences. And it was almost like a pot. I wish we podcasted that. That was really cool. I probably had more questions about social media, the evolution, the behind the scenes. Because all three of us play in that world to a degree. And it doesn't matter if you want to play in that world.

If you are in a business. to in a business that is consumer facing. I mean, I guess if you're a masonry contractor, it doesn't make sense, I guess. But like for anything that is a content related, I have no idea with this technology. That's AI. Fuck you, China. Macaena. Yeah. But it's, you know, anything that's content related, anything that like podcasting specifically where you're publishing stuff, all of the platforms that I take that back, the podcast platform that I host on Libson, pay for, but YouTube is free, Instagram is free, anchor is free. So somewhere along the line, you're checking the box and it gives them the ability to shit can you if you violate their terms

and policies, which can shift. And it's a fascinating conversation. Like, how do you survive, but be yourself and talk about the things that you want to and be the person that you want to be without getting axed? Because for whatever reason. Somebody else. Somebody doesn't like what you know. 100%. Because at the end of the day, too, that's not necessarily has to be the thought process of of Libson. That could be the lever puller that happens to stumble across that right day. I mean, that is the thing that you face with, with Instagram and, and YouTube and everything, is it could just be that person that reviewed your video that goes, you know what, I don't like this. Ban. And it takes you weeks to get somebody on the horn to get something up. If ever. Yeah. If ever, there's some people

that have been new. I got a guy on the back end of meta. And that's like I have a good network of dudes that are freeing up people's accounts because they could see it. And the biggest problem is when they fired everybody from META, they fired Americans who were moderating accounts and understood culture. Now they've hired all of those accounts they've crashed. They move those jobs overseas to India. And now they're subcontracting those accounts. And when, yeah, and when somebody gets suppressed, it gets in a queue. And the person who doesn't understand culture, they see gun. They go, terrorism or whatever it is that was flagged and they go obviously this is terrorism this guy's has a gun in a picture and his EDC setup that's obviously bad delete and so that i just got sig's account back

sig's account was completely deleted and you know it's deleted because they reported um um violent whatever because they showed guns india gets it and you're like delete so the problem with moderation as these technological companies evolved is they're subcontracting outsourcing all of the opinion and that's a problem because now Americans who are running businesses, Americans who are trying to influence it a positive way are getting shut down and that's scary for for me as a business I lost drinking bros in Maine which was 160,000 people inside the group from Facebook? Yeah. I lost it completely. Oh, I can and everybody does it still exist or do they just ripped access away from you? It's gone. It's living somewhere in purgatory because I still, their AI is still coming through it because

every week I get the I get that we found 19 things that violate community standards but when that happened everybody was like oh my God use your contacts at Fox News and blah blah blah blah blah and I was like guys this is celebrated they found a pocket of us

where there was 140 160,000 people that were all of like mine this is somebody got an award for this there is no me kicking screaming and crying and that's when I changed I changed the name to the I'll show you it

because this is how I combat it you know. Stripe just canceled us. I mean, you say all these things but you are a verified domestic product. So now I'm on the list. It used to be called Drink and Rose Maine, but now we're just Maine.

Multicultural, all-inclusive network. Good God. Now you get promoted. But if we get, if the searchlight comes over here, they're like, oh wait, that looks like a cool place, right? Wow. So the Stripe thing,

Stripe got, they had somebody looking into all this stuff, like they investigated constantly. We've been with Stripe for five years, millions of dollars we've put through Stripe. And Stripe is a, same thing as a payment processor. Like when we were talking about Act Blue.

Yeah, it's like a merchant service payment processor. So they saw our website. It had guns on it because we do tactical and defensive training, self-defense training. And they saw that. and they immediately just flagged us and said, your account will be deleted in seven days. We called them and said,

hey, we don't sell guns. I wish you did. I would buy them. Yeah, we need to. We're going to sell guns in one of our retail shops, but like, we don't sell guns.

We don't do illegal activities, and you're saying we're banned. They looked into it and they go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're bad. Like, you're bad. Like, yeah, yeah, we didn't mean to ban you, but what was the process in which you banned us? Well, we saw you had guns on your website,

so we banned you. So it's like, what? So a picture of a gun on a website with no context, you get banned. And that's the way of the world. You know how you adapt? That's the way of the world now. And for people who probably listen to this and say, well, good. I'm glad that that happened.

Just understand that whatever optic is being pointed at you is on a swivel and it can move around. And it can get pointed at other things. So be very fucking careful celebrating something like this. Yes. Because it doesn't have to always be this. in air quotes. It could be another issue that may land a lot closer to home to somebody else, and then you're going to wish you didn't

fucking celebrate it. You can see it in places like Australia even. They were arresting people for creating Facebook events. Yeah. Arresting people. That's wild. That's one of the reasons that we started the newsletter thing. I mean, we, look, we

newsletter to me because you access people's emails. This ties into the social media conversation because I asked the question of you actually yesterday. How do you protect yourself? So let's say you exist in a world where you are on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube. And you do something and they pull you off of those channels

and you're a business. How do you survive? How do you not put all your eggs in one basket? I asked that question of you, which you gave an awesome answer, which led to what Mike is going into. Yeah. So I think the most resilient piece of marketing

and access to that market is through email, newsletters. But the standard for newsletter is not very good, right? You get a, you get a email, and typically it's all spam, and there's no value. You're not getting any propositions for value. They're not providing anything to you. And so you delete it. You throw it in spam. We want to start a newsletter between Phil Crowe Survival, cleared hot and Andy, and Black Ravel Coffee that pulls in a lot of the things that we provide, but gives you special access. because we have to provide you value. So it's got to be like special discounts, special events, and special content.

So like behind the scenes, we film a whole bunch of stuff behind the scenes. We've been doing for years. Called BTS. BTS. What is that simple? BTS. Are you fucking kidding me? Okay.

I thought it sounds like, you know, I thought it was racist. They're in a K-pop band called BTS. You literally were just saying behind the scenes. Isn't there a T-S? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I got a K-pop connoisseur.

I don't. a rock hard. Mr. Gova. Behind. Mr. Gova. The scenes. So we started, we're starting this. We're building us on the back end.

And we're also filming content for it. But it's more than that too. It's a direct connection point that is removed from any third party. And it's, and also the recipient can respond back. If you look at YouTube, Instagram and Facebook again, just to keep using those examples, it's actually largely one way. It's more on the transmit side because I don't know about you guys. I don't live in the comment sections.

I'll surf through them from time to time. But it's mostly like, hey, boom, publish, do with it what you want to. The email thing is a little bit interesting, too, because it actually can allow for a two-way dialogue absent a third party. 100%. Yeah, I think it's going to be cool. And we had JT and the Leadership Seminar here immediately after that. I was like, we need to do one in Calispell. Yeah.

Because June 10th, I'm doing the book release party at your place in Black Rifle Coffee. Black Rifle Coffee. And then on June 11th, which is Sunday, we'll do another leadership seminar. No, I can clean mine up, too. There's lots. I already thought of a lot of room. You did great. It was actually really cool.

It was really cool. Not many people have that insight into the behind the scenes of growing brands from a social media perspective. They just see what other people are doing. And they, you know, this will probably piss people off. But eventually it just degrades too. Well, I guess tits and ass is the only way to get people's attention. So we'll just go with that path. And it's like, you lost.

No, that's 100%. I mean, look, look, look, look, what Monster still does. That is their entire marketing initiative online. And it's like, that would, I guess it works. Whatever happened to bang energy drink? Remember they're doing the, dude, they got, they got fucking sued, dude. I haven't seen them. They're like, what was $312 million from Monster? No, because they, they were, uh, the CEO was actively telling bang employees to like mess with Monster and they got all that communication. If you just Google it, bang energy and Monster, like, they want. It's, but one thing

there's one thing like last night when we're watching UFC there's one thing that I noticed about Monster that had never really clicked and that was you think of Monster products and there's fucking 80 of them right yeah but what do you see every time you see Monster? That logo

green that's all they put they say this is this is because they had the green cans on the side of on the side of the octagon it's like you know what they just tripled and quadrupled down on their flagship products still to this day, 20 years later, and it works. That's where it was like spinning my gears.

I'm sitting there. I'm like, we need to pick our one can and that's it. That's all that exists is that can because then when you go, you see the shelf and you're like, oh, that's it. Yeah. That's a good observation. That's why you're on the spectrum. There was a fight going on and he's doing brain market analysis on the USC.

When they're laying on top of it pounding each other's faces and you're like, go look at that green logo. Can I talk about her book? Is that too early? You can talk about whatever you want to. So I can just always deny it later. I literally have been talking to Andy for years about doing a book and he finally succumb last night. He, I don't like that word choice.

That word, so I felt like, can I please finishing it? I want to make you a deal. And this deal has no reason for you to even agree to it. But if you are going to write a book, I get to write one of those, those, those, like paragraphs is about the book? No, not the prologue. It's just an acclamation or something like that.

You can. I just want one of those on the back of the book and you're not allowed to have any influence in it. It's a deal. It's a deal. I agree to do it, but what I agreed to do, and here was my idea,

we'll post tactical pictures of people that we don't know, absent any context that has nothing to do with what we're writing about and just leave them in the book. Can Stephen Seagall be the author, like just the fake author,

the ghost writer? You just put Stephen Seagull's face on the back of it. I don't know the rules around that. And I think it could be illustrated. It could be illustrated because that's parody. Yeah. Or why don't we dedicate the book to Stephen Segal?

There could be a dedication. Yeah, it's a dedication. What if he came to a book signing? That would, I would probably have to fight him. Oh my God. That's pretty funny. But the dedication on the inside jacket, this book is dedicated to Steven Seagull. The worst fighter on the player.

Man who was the best. Tasted more cock than it. Or the best fighter. It's on leadership. Yeah. We're not making a case for leadership here right now. Or are we? Are we making a case for leadership?

I can leave you to snacks. You don't have to make a case for leadership because you can either focus on it or not. And the performance of yourself and team afterwards will be reflective of that. I think personally, and I said it when I was up there speaking, people need to be really cautious, applying a military leadership model to the civilian. That was interesting. No, it's right though. He's 100% right.

You're completely right. You shut somebody down with a buy-in. That doesn't understand, that somebody that didn't grow up in that world, they shut the fuck down and move down. Well, they're trying to, you said they're trying to, like, you have buy-in for people in the military. In civilian world, you don't have a lot of buy-in, and you've got to do more influencing, more manipulation.

You can have buy-in, but it's about the culture and about being the leader and finding ways to connect. with your people. Most of the people that ended up in the units that we served with were, we were defined by our similarities, even though there were huge swathes of differences, whether it's religious beliefs or background or family, you know, nuclear family versus fuck, I served with people who were like straight up homeless at some point and everything in between the two. But a military leadership role is so, what did you see? There's a guy up there, he just slow rolled and he's like at his head out the window.

You can see him in the reflection. All right. I mean, he probably knows. He probably geolocated you and realize he's hunting terrorists right now. I know. I'm after you. My phone right now. Yeah, that's what that phone talking was. Oh, God. But if you look at it, like the small units that we worked in was the absolute easiest leadership environment ever because for a large part, people were bought in.

They were refined. They were high performing. There was trust. And they were aligned and there was trust. And the person just, you actually literally had to try to fuck it up. And then if you take that same model of the way that we used to talk to each other or the way that you could lead from a position of, it was based in, trust, but you know, you instantaneously just, hey, this is what we need to do. And because

everybody understood every aspect of the mission, they would just move. Like, try that shit in a cubicle of 100 people at IBM and see how that works out for you. There's so, you can't fucking do it. So, interesting. On that note, we need catch our flights. Yeah. What was that is like, is that book, though? Like, it's something different there because it's like most people who write books on military leadership say, this is the path. And what you're saying is, yeah, this is what you're saying is basically don't take this path because if you take this path, then you'll screw it up. We need to rewrite it. What I'm saying is understand this path and instead of putting it on this pedestal and pretending like it's a shiny magical object, realize the situation that it works in and then try to figure out where you are.

If you want to do that, figure out where you are and what you need to bridge the gap in between the two. Hold your hands together like that. Just keep them together. There you go. You had them like this. This is perfect. Cradle. Cradle. It's a cradle. That's a cradle. That's a perfect. way to do the podcast. Okay. Are we going to have the newsletter up and running by time this drops or no? You know, you know, you know that I have no idea what is required on the back end to do a newsletter. This will come out Friday. We will have it. So it will be the links below. Hit the link below and then. Unless there's no link below because we didn't figure it out. That's some officer shit.