Cleared Hot - Powered By BRCC - The World's Greatest Mic Drop | Jack Osbourne | Ep. 461

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

Jack Osbourne grew up with cameras in the house. The Osbourne's made his family the biggest thing on television, and he was earning seven figures by 15. He got sober at 17 and has held that line for over two decades. Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at 26. Since then he's built his own lane — adventure television, paranormal investigation, two podcasts, and a purple belt in jiu-jitsu. Last July, his father played the biggest farewell show in rock history. Seventeen days later, Ozzy was gone. This conversation carries weight and goes sideways in equal measure. Making serious money as a kid and learning the hard way that the people hired to protect it don't always deserve the trust. Grieving a parent while untangling the business that comes with a famous last name. The final concert — a living wake where his dad got to say goodbye on his own terms — and the week at home together afterward. Then the throttle opens: the UFC card on the White House South Lawn, a month in the Australian jungle on 500 calories a day, ghost stories he can't explain, the Nazca mummies, a plan to buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier, and bringing OzFest back. Today's Sponsors:  Peluva:  Use code "Clearedhot" for 10% off at ⁠https://www.peluva.com⁠ Bubs Naturals:  Listeners  are getting 20% OFF at ⁠https://www.BUBSNaturals.com ⁠by using code "clearedhot" at checkout

Okay, got the red smoke. To the smoke, I'm looking at danger close now. We'll do it live. Do you think he has a trustworthy face? Yeah, I think he does. Yeah, he's got one of those like... What would you buy from groceries? No, I might buy like an app.

Like some kind of financial planning app. Really? Yeah. I thought you were going to mean entertainment. No, no, like here, I'll help you like organize your accounting for your taxes. I mean, it's better than my accountants. Dude. There's a lot of people, and for a lot of reasons that I think you would understand that people would envy your position in life. You've had a little bit of a rough last year, which we'll get into. But growing up in the family that you did, semi, not very, but semi-recognizable last name. Like I said, it never really caught on in the U.S.

Yeah, it's like to Hasselhoff in Germany. Totally. You know, there was no TV show around your. family at the formative years in your life that probably created any additional stress or pressure. Yeah. But it's, uh, we were talking about it today, man. There are problems regardless of the type of life that you are living. 100%. Yeah. Broke, completely broke living on the streets, which I don't wish on anybody, has a layer of problems. The world that you live in, and I love that we could sit down and talk about it because I have no interaction with it. At the end of those conversations, half the time, I leave with, I don't know if it is as enticing as it may appear from the outside. Because we should definitely not get into the accountant issues, but they were horrible.

Yeah, dude. Accountants are fucking evil. But also necessary. They are. And I wonder if they made it that way. I think it is. I think, well, especially, you know, in the time in which that I began earning money, you know, like 15. This is. You're talking TV show?

TV show. How do you even, I'll assume that the amount of money was relatively good. Mm-hmm. How do you, how does the 15-year-old brain comprehend that? I was really, I was kind of naive to a degree to it because I was still living at home. I started owning really, I mean, substantial money, like seven figures when I was 15 years old. And I didn't, I didn't buy shit. I wasn't like a super spendy kid.

Like I wasn't... Did you need to, though? I don't know if you know this. Your parents probably do okay as well. Yeah, but my parents kind of, once we started earning, once I started earning and like having money, like, it was funny. Like, my parents were, I'm actually very grateful for this. Like, the moment I turned 18, my parents turned around and were like, here's your cell phone bill. Here's your health insurance.

This is, you're a man now. You're 18 years old. Like, this is you. I think that's the way. Yeah. You and I both know examples of people. where that wasn't the way and they never develop a sense of, it would be the word, maybe grounding in real life.

Yeah. No perception whatsoever. No appreciation either. Just, oh, I misplaced something that's five, six figures. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. Fetch me another.

Yeah. Yeah, no. And so. Dearest daddy, fetch me another one. Send force is the briefcase of money. Yeah. And it happens. But the funny thing, there's such a public perception that like, you know,

not that I ever engage in comments, but it's, It's like, oh, this, you know, or whatever. It's like, dude, I've been working, so I was 15 years old. And I've been responsible for that since I was 15 years old. And like, it's, and you, and back then, there was no AI to help you with finances. It was books. There was like, and so you consult specialists, like accountants and lawyers and financial planners. And you hope to find what is the simplest solution, which is that person to be like, hey, I got you.

Like, don't worry, I got you. And it is the biggest, I'm not saying they are all like this. but my experience by and large has been very disappointing with those people. Do you think it's mostly word of mouth? Because I'm trying to figure out how you would test run an accountant. You would almost need a year. Yes. And maybe it goes great.

Maybe it doesn't. But then you would need to test run the accountant that you are going to have fix those issues. Yeah. I feel like it would be a lot of word of mouth. You know, I equate it to dating like a psychopath. That first year, it's like, oh my God, this woman's amazing. She's cooking and cleaning and like she's like the greatest girlfriend ever and she's there when I call her. And then it's like when it's like that relationship is solidified and you're like, oh wait, this is turning into obsession.

Like this person is trying to like. She's watching you sleep from the end of the bed. Yes. Like this. And waiting until you're not looking and then like just doing just doing like my, man, my last accountant did me so dirty. I was I was telling you and I'm still I'm still picking up those people. pieces. It's terrible. I wonder if you all have faith back in that system, but I almost think the key is the heavy-handed or heavy-handed enough approach where they know that you're engaged

and involved because I feel it's the space, and you were saying that. Again, I'm talking about a world I've never experienced, but I was asking you in the circle of friends that you know when these people will approach you and just say, hey, just be the artist. Don't you just want to be you? We'll handle everything. But you've experienced it in a way that it might not necessarily been accountant, but people in business how they say one thing they're doing another or they're not doing what they say they're going to do. It breaks your trust in humanity. 100%. Because you're like, wait, I trust, you said, I trusted you, like, and it's, it's really hard to kind of come back from that because it's, I'm, at the end of the day, I'm, you know, the Uncle Sam is, is calling me when

there's a problem. It's not like, you know, it's calling my accountant being like, hey, bro, like, they don't, and you sign away. They, they, they, have. have you signed contracts, which basically is like, we are not responsible for any F-ups with the, you know, IRS or, you know, whatever tax, you know, state tax board or whatever. I wonder if you would see a doctor that made you sign those same type of things. I don't know if you would. Yeah.

Do accountants have accountants? I think. Like the guy who screwed you over. Does he go to his buddy and say, hey, I need you to do me right? Because I did this guy dirty and I have to. I'd have to hide this. I think they just, they just know the secret sauce how to hide it. Today's episode is brought to you by Paluva.

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Back to the show. Oh, man, but I wonder does an accountant get more scrutiny from those agencies because they know they know. As far as I know when it's when it when the federal government comes off to accountants, they hold. It's like we are not giving you any leeway. We are coming for you because that's kind of fair. Yeah. That's their profession. Yep.

I feel, I feel okay with that. Yeah. It's a dirty world man. Well, first off, you're never getting away from it. Even what you slightly unpacked, we'll just call it the Battlestar Galactica of the family business. Holy cow, dude. Yeah. It's a lot.

You are not going to be done in a matter of weeks or months. You're going to be done, I think, in a matter of years. Yeah, there's a lot of wading through a lot of bullshit right now. Yeah. How are you doing with it all? I'm okay. It's, you know, it's ups and downs. You know, I drove out here with my buddy Cole,

and we were talking about the kind of just the, all the kind of business side of things since my dad died, it's kind of distracting from, like, the grief of it to where you're like, oh, God, I'm like, I'm grieving the loss. of this, you know, important person, but yet there's all this stuff we've got to take care of. And it's just this strange, like, how do I focus my energy? And it's so stressful. I tried to check in on you, but also give you your distance at the time. It's tough, man. I lost my mom in my 30s. And all I can say about grief is, I don't think there is a journey or a

path. Everybody is on their own walk with it. And there would be times years where I would feel Like I was very, very well accustomed to my mom being gone. One of the things that scrambled my eggs the most as I accidentally pulled up a voicemail from her years later. Holy cow. And the fact that it was unexpected, I don't know how I got onto it. Yeah. That one pulled me back into it for a bit. But I think it's okay to go through those seasons.

Don't put pressure on yourself. I mean, again, plus you guys, there's a lot. Yeah. And the cool thing is, like, you know, I've had those moments where, like, some weird will have. happen, you know, like, I'm like, oh, shit, no, like, it'll pull me back into just thinking about my dad. And it's, uh, like, I'm okay with it. Like, in a weird way, it's like, I'm okay with like the pain of it because I think it's, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, what's that, you know, that, that cliche, you know, the, what is it? The pain you feel is like a measure

of how much you loved them. And it's like, it's like, hey, that's okay. It's the price we pay. I think you'll come to appreciate those moments. I have because you will, years from now, you'll live a large portion of your day or week or month, it won't cross your mind as much as it does now. I've learned to appreciate those points where I'm a little bit stopped in my tracks and pulled into it because it's, I mean, it's always going to be my mom, right?

And I don't have the vocabulary for the impact that she had on my life, but also life happens. And now I'm a father to three children as well and all the stuff that goes with that. It's complicated. I'm glad to see that you're doing well, though. How long after that final concert did he pass? What was it?

17 days. Did you have an indication when you were there that he might have known he was coming to the end? Again, random thing happens in life but oh my, like you were saying at the coffee shop or at the, we're doing juuice. World's greatest mic drop.

World's greatest mic drop ever. Yeah. I mean, holy hell. Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't write it. Yeah, I think I did. You know, I, there was a couple, I just had this feeling, you know.

just weird. Well, you had dealt, ever since I first met you, many years ago at Origin Camp, I think your dad was going through a surgery the very first year. So it's not as if, and I see this my own father,

who turns 80 in January. Age is real. It's coming for us all. Not me, of course. I always live forever. Just keep, you know, doing what you're doing. The man, I mean, I can look at my dad, you know, for three and a half

decades down the road and say, okay, and I do notice things. And I notice more things. So, I mean, I know that time is, find out my father will pass at some point and it's uh i know you were dealing with it for quite some surgeries and stuff like that like the nerve stuff yeah yeah i had like a sense of it and and we all kind i mean he was so people you know we've spoke i've spoken about this but he was so sick leading up to the show so much so that two weeks before the show he went back into hospital in england

and um was like pneumonia type sick or what was no he so he got he took a fall and he fractured two vertebrae in his back and they went and did that like cement stuff where they like you know seal the bones and uh he got sepsis in like january of 25 and sepsis when you know when you're sick in your 70s it's it's amazing that he kind of pulled through it and they had him on like iv antibiotics for like two months and it just rocked him as it does yeah and he just had all these kind of cascading like issues and leading right up. The show was like on again, off again. It was just ping pong.

And two weeks before, the doctor was like, dude, like you shouldn't be doing this. And he's like, I'm doing it. And, you know, I kind of saw, you know, he wanted to do it more than anything. And it was like, okay, dude, like, you're a, you know, like this is your journey. Like, we're here to support it,

whatever you want to do. If you want to cancel it, we'll support it. If you want to go, like, it's all in. And I just, yeah, he was like, let's go. And so, yeah. My mom passed about two weeks after I got home from my last deployment. Wow. And in talking to my dad and my sister, they both think that she was, and not negatively

so, but holding on to make sure that she got to see me again. I wonder if there was an aspect of that for your father saying, I'm going to, I'm going to get through this. And then shortly afterwards for my mom, her decline was pretty, precipitous. Yeah. It was kind of strange because at the, so at the show, it's actually the one year anniversary is like on Sunday. Is it really? Yeah, from the show. Of Jocco smiling for the first time. Of Jocco smiling. He was like when the Grinch's heart just, think. He had to have been side stage or backstage, right? Yeah. Here's the thing about Jocco. Like he socially engineered

his way everywhere. Like he was like up in the mix and on side of the stage. Yeah, it was great, man. I loved, I was running into him all day and he just had this big old smile on his face. Good for him. Yeah, he had the best time. And I'm so glad he was there. But like that, so on the, what was it, the, on the Thursday before the show, so the show was on Saturday, and they sound checked all the bands and stuff. And they did like a big photo shoot with everyone that was performing. And I was hanging out and in the backstage with a bunch of guys.

And I was sat there with the guys from Metallica and Lost was like, man. man, this is awesome. He's like, I love this because usually when it's like this kind of reunion, it's at someone's funeral. And I was kind of like, oh, yeah, you know, I was like, but this, I said something along the lines of except this is like a happy day. And he was like, yeah, totally. And the, but it kind of was. It was like a bit of a living wake in a weird way. He saw people that he hadn't seen in 30 years. And, you know, it got to say hi and get people hugs. And yeah, yeah, it's a trip. It's a really, kind of strange like did that just happen like did that really you know and only only he could have

an exit like that like come on like who gets to do that not me yeah like not me like the outpouring afterwards as well was that had to have as a family felt i don't want to say comforting but it had to have helped at least in some way yeah and it was it was weird because i never thought it would be like that. Because I never thought of it. You know, I didn't ever think of, you know, I don't think anyone ever thinks of their parent passing and what will the public think. Because I'm not, that's just not in my, how will the public react to my parents? Like, all I know is how I'm going to react. Yeah, you know, he's in a unique situation for sure in comparison to almost everybody on earth. Yeah. And it was just like, I was just the whole time.

I was, the focus for me was like, what's, you know, man, what's that day going to be like? like, and it was certainly not what I expected. Yeah, you actually, you weren't over in England when it happened, right? You were back in the U.S. Yeah, it was rough. Yeah, it just got back. But in a weird way, I'm kind of grateful in a way, because I got to spend like a week, I got to spend a week with him at the house.

Post-concert? Post-concert with my kids. And it was like, man, it was great. It was, it was chill. He was laughing. We were like, you know, he was. In England we have the tabloid newspapers. So, like, every, you know, day after the show, there was, like, another article about the gig and, like, all these memes.

And it was the first time he'd done a gig where, because he wasn't on social media before he got injured. Because he was like, why do I need to get, you know, be on social media? I guess. And so, by this point, he had TikTok and Instagram, and he was, like, seeing stuff coming through his feed. And he was, like, instant response. And so he was kind of, like, laughing at all, like, and, like, stuff. at all the, you know, social media buzz about it. And it was just, yeah, it was funny.

It was just like an interesting thing to see. And I remember I came in, I had this newspaper. And I was like, dad, look at this article. And I was just like, you know, gushing over him. I'm like, look. He's like, he looked at me. He goes, a lot of fucking good that does me. I'm retired now.

When you say you're over in England, I'd just imagine you on grassy-filled estates with stone buildings wearing top hats. Yes. Monocles. A butler is bringing you a tray of paper. Your children are in three-piece with tails. I don't know. Why does that come, I mean...

But that's because how it is in England. Some of England. I mean... Some of England. Not our kind of England. Weirdos. Do you still have a king and queen? Yeah, we do.

We do. Do they really have that much power anymore? I don't know. Part of me thinks there's probably an element of influence because, like, they meet with the prime minister once a week. Which is, there's got to be some kind of influence there. Like, if the prime minister is going to do something crazy, and I'm sure the king would.

be like, yeah, I don't like that. Like, it's got to count for something. Do you think the prime minister could override what the king says? I think so, yeah. So they aren't. Well, if that is the case then, yeah, it's more of a status thing. It is. It's like status and influence. Because in England

we have like the House of Commons and the House of Lords and Parliament. Lords. And like the House of Lords is kind of like, I feel like that's a little more aligned with like British aristocracy. It is. British aristocracy. And here's the crazy thing about lords, if you're a lord and you have a son, your son becomes a lord when you die,

so you're automatically in the house of lords. What are they doing there other than reverse hand jobs? Allegedly. There is like legislation that they can pass and like certain, there is government things that they can do, but it's totally optional how much, to my knowledge, not that. Yeah, Michael, pull up a picture of the House of Lords. I want to see, first off, I want to see what they're wearing. Are we talking powdered wigs? I don't know if they wear powdered wigs I think it's a little more Yeah oh wait no it is maybe it is yeah you have like

You have sometimes the house of lords Appears like people are on vacation Holy shit look at the ones in the bottom right Michael Yeah look at them Look at that I just see that to me When I see that I'm thinking Tuesday London Do they go to Starbucks in that

Or do they have it to go? I just think it's insane that they wear that still I was that's what I was going to say next I get the tie to the culture. I get the historic nature of that. But it's 2026. But I get, here's what I do like, though, about, like, in, like, legalities with, like, wearing the robes in court.

I like that because the reason why they wear robes is so every, you know, both the prosecution and the defendant's lawyers, they all look the same. So you can't, so juries can't look at a lawyer wearing a fancy suit. It's kind of like a, it's like wearing ghee in jiu-jitsu. Well, it's levels of playing field. You can't have a guy show up in a $25,000, you know, Saville Row suit, Italian. Yeah, and the other dude's a public defender. Yeah, I'm wearing half of their shirt untucked.

Totally. And chilliam. It's like an even playing field. Yeah. I mean, in the age of where maybe 10 years for working from robots now or for the robot overlords, I think we can ditch the powdered wigs. I think so. I think so.

I think it's probably time. Yeah. You know, they're all like, in England. They're like, oh, get rid of the monarchy. I'm like, why don't we start there? Why don't we start with getting rid of the powder rigs and, you know. But I, in England, though, I do, I like the culture of the monarchy. I don't necessarily like, but I like that there's tradition there.

And I like that it represents that because I think tradition's important. Are you a dual citizen? I am a dual citizen, yeah. How does that work? Do you have two passports? I do. Can you travel with both of them on you? Yes.

Okay. Yeah. And I, when I go to England, I can, like, I have to enter on a British passport. What would happen if you tried to enter on your American passport? They don't like it. And apparently they get weirded out by it. Yeah. It's like, I think it's some recently new law that got passed.

But I'm having like a weird thing. I don't know why. Every time I come back into the country now, I'm getting like pulled into like secondary screening. And last time I came through immigration, they were like, oh, it's because a guy has a similar name to you. And we're just making sure you're not the guy. And I'm like, yeah, but surely there's a picture of said guy.

Yeah, you know, all the cameras that I walked by on the international terminal to get to the customs declaration. point and the one you have me stand in front of, those aren't good indications? Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm pretty sure I'm not like whatever the day. And they won't tell me the guy's name. But I'm like, this is getting annoying. Sometimes I feel like they flag people just because they want to meet them and talk to them.

Yeah. And it's not like they have to declare that. Well, here's the crazy thing. I went through. I got pulled to like this, because I have global entry. They like pulled me to like the verification. Of course you do. Privileged.

Yeah, totally. Right? Because no one can get global entry. Only a select few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I, you know, when I'm on my private plane.

Economy plus You privileged bastard Bastard So when I go through And the woman was like Oh sorry about this Yeah no you're all good Sends me through

I'm getting my luggage And then over the speaker system Can Jack Oswald return to the desk And I was like what the fuck And so I go back up And then I was like sorry I have to take you to secondary screening I know you're not the guy

But it's saying I have to take you to secondary screening Annoying They're off to me man They're off to me I wonder why though if they were after you. I know.

I've like, Osama bin Jack. Yeah, they did watch it. I mean, your internet search history has probably got you

on a few lists as it is anyway, just your love of Ukrainian warfare. All those videos. God, you got to be careful how deep you go down that rabbit hole, man.

Yeah, it's like I have to, I do have to put myself in check in some of those, like, weird war videos. Like, I go through spurts.

I am to a degree surprised that we have not seen a weaponized drone attack in the U.S. by just from a crazy person. Well, it nearly happened at the UFC. I know it was reported that it nearly happened. I don't trust everything that I read, see, and hear.

I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, we were talking, I'm here to give zero people ideas on what to do, but let's just say the tech is, it exists. Readily available. If you have a credit card and an internet connection, you could figure it out. I'm surprised it hasn't happened. And I'm not looking forward to the day that it does,

because I do believe it's a certainty. man, I really think that changes things. Yeah. No, it's going to be a very strange day. Because it's a matter of time, man. It's like, because it's all anything that they're doing in Ukraine has now bled into the Middle East. All those crazy offshoot of ISIS, they're all doing it. And Pakistan and India, it's like it is not a, it's not an isolated, you know, tool being used solely in Ukraine.

How big was the security footprint at the UFC? It was wild. It was wild. There was like five rings of security to get to the actual mini arena that they built. Plus probably 10 you didn't see. Oh, easily. Well, the crazy, once you got into the arena, there was these platforms all the way around, and there was Secret Service. And I thought that it was facial recognition technology because it was like this square box.

And it wasn't binoculars. This guy was just going, scanning everyone with this square little box thing. And I thought maybe it was some kind of facial recognition tech that they were like just snapping everyone's face. I enjoyed the headline where you were accused of being a fascist for attending. Dude, what world are we living in? Dude, it's so insane. I just thought it was funny at the end of the day. I mean, I was like, really?

Did your wife find it as hilarious? She did until they started saying things about like our kids and my dad. And like, that's when she, and I was like, babe, just stop reading the comments because those people, like you can't nothing I say or do or what you could never appease that population. I may not be people either. No. No, no. Some definite

some bot farms are just you know doing their thing but I listen man I had a great time and it was an amazing experience. So once you were in the entering of security did you have assigned seats or could you float around a little bit? Yeah, assigned seats in between the fights and like commercial breaks there was a lot of people floating about and it was kind of

wild because I looked at it and it was like oh this feels like the Oscars for, well, like the Grammys for Washington, D.C. because it was every, every person you see on CNN or Fox just, they were all just like browing out. Hard pass. I don't think I would, I have nothing to talk with those people. No, I didn't. There was a couple people I spoke to that were actually really nice and cool. And I was like, all right on. Like, but I would, me and my wife were just like, it was just fish ball for us. We were just like looking at it all go down. How were the fights in person? They were rad. And it was. because it was such a small, there was what, 3,000 people?

I think they said four. Okay, so it was a small... South Lawn is not... It's tough. Yeah. Most people in the U.S. actually confuse the Capitol building for the White House because in most movies, they'll do that circular panning shot around the Capitol building. Yeah.

And people think it's the White House. The White House is not that big. No. Nor is the South Lawn. No. Which, as of today, is getting a helicopter pad put into the South Lawn and people are losing their shit. Oh, wow.

Well, the grass was already dead. Oh, interesting. I see what's had... This is like a stratism. There's a whole game. plan here. Yeah, so he's laying concrete on the self-line. But does the helicopter pad open up and there's an underground layer that the helicopter goes into? Michael, make a note. We'll have to edit that out. We can't release classified information. Just because you've been there and obviously talk to people.

It's true. Yeah, no, it's, uh, no, but it was, the cool thing about it was, I just kept having this moment with my wife where I kept looking at her and I'm like, is this really happening? I'm like watching guys beat the piss out of each other. In the fights, it was pretty quiet. You can like, you could hear this. I mean, you can see the blood sprang. I was like, what's going to happen if like blood gets sprayed on the, you know, on the president? Like, is there like a, like a, what happens there? Yeah.

But it was, it was cool. I'm just a wild thing to experience just to be like, yeah, I watch men beat the shit out of each other legally, you know, on the South lawn of the White House. Every fight ended in a knockout. Mm-hmm. That Toporia, gaichi fight? Dude, bloodbath. I mean, I'm sure that guy will heal up, but he, like, left that arena looking a little bit different than he entered.

Yeah. And Gaichi looked like he had just taken a nap. Yeah. I don't know what his skin is made out of or his moisturizing routine, but it should be studied. I would buy a Gaichi cream. Yeah. I mean, it just like...

Just unicorn tears and, you know. Fuck, man. Yeah, that was, it was full on. And the, but it was, I mean, man, just the whole event was so well. Dana just call you up? No, what happened? I have a friend who's friends with Dana and I was just sat like just joking around.

I was like, yo, text your boy Dana and see if I can get into the fight. And I thought he was just kind of being like, yeah, right, whatever. And he's like, okay. And he texted him and Dana was like, absolutely. I'd like love to have him. And I was like, this is so cool.

And the one of something really funny, so the superstructure that goes over, that was over the arena, sorry, the octagon. That originally was built for you too. Really? Yeah. And I just thought it was so.

so funny that like U2's lighting rig is what they used. You two would be very upset. Very upset. He would be very upset. And his purple sunglasses somewhere. I'm not a fashion icon, so I'm not going to judge it. I'm just saying I would never. I thought you would, dude.

No, Leah is surprisingly still married to me even based off of, the other day she came home. I was wearing board shorts and cabloid boots. And she just, because I got a new pair of boots, I was breaking them in. Okay. She just looked at me and just said, what? what exactly are you doing right now? I think you and I had a conversation about cowboy boots and you said, I'm not a cowboy boo guy.

This was years ago, though. Have you now become a cowboy boo guy? Well, I went to an event at the Medal of Honor Museum in Arlington. Cool. And the dress code was Texas formal, which I had to Google. And then I just asked somebody from Texas. And he said, have you ever seen the show Landman? I said, yes.

And he was dressed like that. It was like, perfect. So jeans, cowboy boots, collared shirt. I didn't have a huge bell buckle. Big hat? No, I didn't feel comfortable with that. I feel like that would have been stolen baller. So didn't go cowboy hat, but I had an old pair of boots from maybe a decade ago,

literally the first time I had worn them. But I had some boot envy when I was looking around there and I saw people, the ostrich boots. Yeah. Son of a bitch. Yeah, it's a thing, man. It is a thing. Texas formal is very much a thing.

Yeah. So I got a pair of boots after leaving there. And I just wanted to make sure that they fit well. I'd happen to be wearing shorts and a t-shirt and boots. And Leah came home and questioned why she married me for that particular reason that day. Not that that doesn't happen often, but... I'm getting like a Vegas vacation vibe. Like, you know, the crazy uncle, they go to visit.

And I feel like he was wearing, like, cowboy boots and board shorts. I mean, it worked. They're comfortable. They're quite comfortable. They're easy. They're easy to travel on just because you can just slip them on and off when you're going through a little security. I haven't done that yet. I don't know if I have the confidence in myself to just wear them.

day to day. I'm not a rancher. I'm worried about rancher stolen baller. You know, or a cowboy stolen baller. It's a it's a thing. It is. Yeah. You know, I don't want to be the Tim Kennedy of Cowboys. Oh. We going that? It's already been gone. It's already been gone. Yeah, I saw a little blip where you, yeah. There's nothing, there's nothing to do other than, God, I wish you would have taken a different tact, man. Yeah, it was kind of a weird move. Everything he had done was enough. Yeah. And I think a lot of people fall into that victim of that. they want to add to it or layer to it. And I don't know why.

And I haven't asked him and talked to him since. I talked to him briefly before I put the very short episode out that I did just to let him know that I was going to. I haven't talked to him since then. Yeah. Yeah. So it's strange. But you know, you kind of see it in, I think, a lot. I don't necessarily think it's solely.

I think there's more impact in it when a veteran does it just because of the implicit, you know, what's involved with what you guys do. But you see it all the time in entertainment and in sport. of like people kind of being like, I'm the man, I'm the man. And it's, you know, ego's a motherfucker. Ego is not your amigo. And it's... Easier said than done for sure. Yeah.

What else you've been the news for? Let's see. People had you were dying of starvation. Yes, yeah, not true. Not true. They're like, Jack, what are you sponsored by Waygovi or whatever those things? Well, you did a survival show on an island. Yeah, I did. I went into like the Australian jungle for like a month and was given like 500 calories a day to survive. Why are you doing this to your son? I did, I had the best time.

It was the best vacation I've ever been on. Even though it was filmed the whole time, you don't know because you don't see the cameras. What do you mean you don't see the cameras? They're all hidden. I mean, you know they're there. How well are they? I mean, you see them. But do they look like coconuts?

Some, like literally look like rocks and you just see a rock like move. Okay. Is the show out yet? Yeah, yeah. It was, it was, it's... Did you win? No, I made it to like the second to last day. Yeah.

But I had the best time because I had no phone. I had no email. I did not know what was going on in the news. I was like complete, you know, it was like being the most off-grid I've ever been while being the most on-grid I've ever been because it's a live show every day. It was live? Every day, yeah. All right, so what was the premise?

So how do they even approach you with this? And why did you even consider it? Okay, so it's a British TV show called I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. It's been around for 25 years. And I've always been like, anytime they've called, I've been like, no, no. And they called. And it was a really great amount of money in December. right before Christmas and I'm like, okay.

Presents don't buy themselves. Exactly. And I was like, you know, I called my wife first and I was like, do I do this? She's like, do you want to do it? And I was like, well, maybe. She's like, okay, then do it. If it's a maybe that's like more yes than no, do it. You know, called my mom.

And she was like, absolutely do it. What are you crazy? And I was like, okay. And so I just went and I had such a great experience. And it was, uh, was it they were removing people or people would quit? You get voted out. So you're in for like 10 days no matter what. And then at the 10 day mark, the British public vote.

And so you get voted out as it goes. Michael, pull this up. This is ridiculous. And it's like, it's like survivor meets fear factor because you got to do these like crazy gross challenges. Like, you know, drink a smoothie made of like goat testicles. And dude, I went full. I went full like. You went full something.

Yeah. What are we going to classify this at? Hold on. Are you wearing a fleece, vest. Yes, because as you know in the jungle, it can get pretty cold. Yeah, a collared shirt underneath that because you never know when you need to hop in a business meeting. A bandana of some type of urban camouflage. Of course, your glasses. Duh. Yeah, you're not going to go contacts in the jungle. That'd be gnarly. Yeah. Did you have to create your own living quarters?

They find your own food. No, they give you a living quarter and they give you, you win food. So like the more, you get stars and each star, you know, equates to one portion of food. So the more stars that your people go out and win, you get portions of food. And like, dude, but it was like, dude, it was great, man. I had like, I was in there with people that some of them I had new, new odds. Some I, you know, had met one, you know, one woman in there I'd met in passing throughout the years. But it was, it was great. It was so much fun.

And I was, I admittedly was way too qualified to be in there because I was, I've done enough outdoorsy shit to where I was like, it was fucking easy. Yeah. But yeah, it was great. Yeah, they didn't research you well. Actually, the first time you and I met was at a shooting competition. Yeah, we were on the same team. I forgot that.

Yeah. I thought we had met at origin, but no, I knew you from before then. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. Yeah, they didn't do their research. No, I was like, this is. Justin Gachie was at that same. That's when I met him as well, too. Oh, that's right.

He was there. Yes. Such a nice man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was, that was a great event. I'm bummed that Sig stopped doing it. Yeah, the weather.

I mean, basically we're fighting in the fog of World War II. Did we start one station and then they stopped or did we not even start? We remember they give you, we had the dry run day where they kind of show you all the courses of fire and they let you kind of get it. Yeah, and then the next day the fog rolled in. Yeah, yeah. And then we stopped and started and that woman was in her shorts because that was her thing. Yeah. Yeah.

What's her name? I don't know. Yeah, survivalist. So, okay, you're out there. Can you destroy other people's lodging and steal their stuff? You can start, in the past, it gets shitty, and people will do that survivor thing where they like, will, you know, click up and start talking shit and this, that.

But I went in there with, like, I was like, fuck this. Like, dude, I've done enough, I've done enough, like, call it like expedition type TV shows and done enough things out in the field. Well, you know where it's like, um,

the, uh, I couldn't do. They had to, yeah. What was it made out of? What was the smoothie? It was like goat testicles and

semen. It was like, whatever. It was horrible. The whole thing was horrible. But, look at you. It's all tatted up.

Yeah. Okay. And so all the voting power is from the viewing public. Yes. People on the show don't have a say in it. No. Interesting. Yeah, and it's the biggest TV, biggest winter TV show in England.

I disagree. The Great British Bake Off is likely larger. Are you a British breakoff kind of guy? I might have watched all of the seasons available on Netflix in a row. I'm very upset to hear that Prue is no longer on the show. Paul Hollywood, I've reached out to him on Instagram for advice on cooking. He hasn't gotten back to me yet. That's messed up.

Now it's, it's, who does it now? I haven't seen any of the current ones. I basically binged through what was available at Netflix. No, it's this British comedian. He does it now. Instead of Prue? Yeah. And he's great.

I think it's the same guy. I'll be honest, I watched that show for the emotional crumbling and things falling apart. The cakes crumble. Yeah, the cakes literally crumble, but watching people unwind. Do you like to cook? Are you a baker? I mean, let's be careful with the terms that we use. I am capable.

I do enjoy cooking. I am not going to say I am a baker or have any real understanding, but I like cooking. Yeah. It's, I like grilling stuff more than anything. I've never got into breads or pastries or stuff like that,

but I need another hot. You didn't do like the sourdough during COVID? No, actually. That was like a thing. I don't even know if I ate any sourdough during COVID. Where were you for COVID? I was in Los Angeles. Oh, so just the best place in the world.

100%. Well, the crazy thing is during COVID, I was filming a TV show. And midway through, I remember seeing off to Christmas, like all the shit in China because I went on vacation and I'm like, watch it. They're like, oh, the cities in China have been shut down. And I'm like, this is, viruses spread pretty easily. Like, there's a thing called an airplane.

And once it starts spreading, that's going to be tough to put a lid on. Yeah. And I remember I called production manager and the other execs. And I'm like, hey, can we call the insurance company and find out, like, what our coverage is, if we get shut down to a pandemic, like, what's the deal? And they were like, well, what makes you think it's going to come here? And I'm like, they're shutting down cities in China. Like, people fly to America from those cities that they've shut down in China.

So they called the insurance company, and the insurance company was like, yeah, this has never really happened before. So we don't know. And I was like, yes, it has. 1919, Spanish flu. And they were like, well, that was different. They had no foresight. It was wild. A lot of people didn't know a lot of things to include myself.

I didn't know what the hell was going on, but it became very distrustful every day the people saying that this is exactly what's going on and we know why and this is what we need to do. Because I could just say yesterday you said almost the same thing but had different guidance. And the day before that, it was something different. I'm suspecting you don't know any more than I do. You know what's funny. I listened really early on into COVID. I listened to this, there was this New York Times podcast and they were interviewing some health journalist who's covered viruses for the last 20 years, like any kind of pandemic, whatever, from Ebola to, you know, swine flu.

And it was the most accurate thing that maintained the entire time. He's like, people will have vaccine reluctancy. They're going to, the government's going to spin up a vaccine really quickly. But the way this is going to go for the next two to four years is, like, like a little, you know, you'll step forward, you'll step back, you'll step forward. And he's, and literally what this guy said. And I was, it ended up being the most accurate thing. I don't know if there's anything new under the sun other than AI. I don't know what a historical model of that would be. Yeah. But there are, would there, I mean, I think Michael, when was the

Wright brothers first flight? It's just over 100 years. And then 60 years after that, we went to the fucking moon, allegedly. I believe that we did. There's a whole community of people that doesn't. I'm not saying we did everything that we claimed to in the space program, but I'm pretty sure we went to the moon. I think we went to the moon. I just think the footage that we saw was not from the moon. December 17th, 1903. So we're talking 124 years at this point, or 123 years at this point. 60 years after that, we went to the moon. So it's not as if, I mean, there was a time where there was no electricity. There was a time where, you know. There was no radio. There was no radio. So these things happened, but I don't know if any of those seem to have the societal impact.

of AI. So I don't know where that leads. I think it's like anything, right? It's like the internet, just in general. The internet can be used for some really cool things and it can be used for some really fucked up things. And I think that's just the way it's going to be with AI and it's going to be this constant kind of battle of good and evil. But how do you keep up with it? I think you have to have good AI fighting bad AI. Yeah. That's really what will happen. And you're seeing it. You're seeing it with like chat GPT versus Claude. Like, you know, Sam Altman is kind of in this weird like, yep, fuck it. Like, I don't care.

Place of AI. And then you've got the folks over, you know, Claude and Google that are trying to be ethical about it. And it's, it's there. How much do you think that the heads of those companies truly understand about their product? You know, there's a, I don't know if you, he would be a good guy for you to get on. on the podcast. He's a buddy of mine. Guy named Conrad Flynn. Did you hit, you should go watch his Tucker Carlson. He, he, yeah, it was a couple, God, it was last, it was like the week after Charlie

Kirk got assassinated. Did they immediately ignore him, though, because Tucker Carlson has now been keyhold into this propagandist? And I'm not saying everything he said that is true, but it's fascinating to watch the maneuvering of information sources. I think it got kind of, I think, uh, some of the stuff that, well, I think it was recorded before Charlie Cook died. But a lot of what they talk about in the podcast is the, and this is where Conrad, like, his area of expertise is the occult influence in entertainment, in Hollywood, and

in Silicon Valley. And like, there's a lot of stuff that... What do you mean by occult? Like, Satan worshipping? Yes. And like... Is it real? At first I was like, hmm.

And then when you start listening to, like, what Conrad lays out as far as. as who is citing what authors. And like Sam Altman, what he talks about this, I'm going to, I don't remember this author's name, but there's a certain author who's a known occultist. His books are like, nope, this is like where this comes from. And like Sam Altman is like, that's my guy. And it's like this known thing.

And supposedly in Silicon Valley that they're all getting down with some like weird dark arts kind of stuff. Do you mean they're having ceremonies and cutting chickens heads off and stuff? And they're wearing robes, not like the English. English ropes. I don't know if it's to that point, but there is a lot of like occult practices with like divination and like weird ritual type stuff. Do you think that's crazy, well, crazy we'll put at the end, rich, influential people getting to a place where because they can have and do anything, they start doing weird shit? Yes. It becomes crazy. 100%. Or do you think they were

like that before? I think it's a bit of both. I think you kind of have to be that kind of person that is curious about okay well how far can i take my power and what can what can help me take it to that level because it's you know it's good well the good versus evil thing is the it's the first battle humanity ever saw and so i think that just as you'll see people that get a lot of fame and power and money and they go oh you know i'm going to i'm going to become a philanthropist and i'm going to try and do good and I'm going to lean into that. You know, there's not that many of them anymore. But I think you get that same kind of personality as like, I want more power and what,

what is going to give me more power? And it's, oh, have you tried this strange kind of dark art? I don't know. God, those are got to be weird clubhouses. Dude. Can you imagine the, like, because I think a lot of the, those billionaires, I mean, what, they can literally do whatever they want. If they have an island.

Yes. They have an island and a rolodex with a lot of people in to invite to said island. But again, that that rolodex was also rich, influential people that I don't know. Maybe does life just get muted and boring when you can do anything? You know what I kind of, in talking with Conrad, I kind of landed at like it all comes down to sex. It literally all boils down to that. all these guys who are these big old nerds like Michael and. Totally. Except for the billionaire aspect.

Unless you are, you need to, I would like some royalties. You know, it's they, the one thing that they, they eventually go, well,

I never really got a lot of, a lot of ass, so I'm going to stop buying it. And like figuring out how to like get into that. I think, I think sex is a driver for a huge amount of like the crazy shit that, that has gone on. And I would say it's a huge.

driver for all humans to a degree. But yes, I think if you were, let's say, in the chess club versus the starting football quarterback, there's probably a asymmetry in ass appropriation. Yeah. So yes, you get to a place then where it is not apples to apples. Yeah. Then you arrive at a place where you could look probably and just be a absolute slavidly example of a person, but you have 11 figures associated with your name. You might be beating it off of you with a baseball bat or just wearing robes, you know. Doing weird stuff. I feel like the cucking chairs are very ergonomic, you know, the finest leather. I mean, yeah. It's, yeah, man, it's like, it's a, you know what I'm waiting for? Here's what I'm waiting for.

and I wonder if it will happen. When is a billionaire going to buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier so he can land his freaking private plane on it? I don't know if they would let them. Michael, will you please Google if you can buy an aircraft carrier? I mean, the USS Intrepid is a museum in New York City.

There's one. The Midway is in San Diego as well. Yeah. So, I mean, someone's got to own that, whether it's a nonprofit or, because I don't think the government doesn't do it. That is a good question. I wonder, yeah, I wonder who does own those. I feel like they were probably gifted.

God. You cannot legally or practically buy an, well, what if it's not operational? Also, though, Elon Musk as a trillionaire, which is a number I don't understand, I feel like he could build his own. His own. He doesn't need it to be weapons grade, but he could build an aircraft carrier. And why couldn't he have a nuclear-powered boat? He, I mean, if you want to talk about somebody who has the means and the capability and the not, not himself personally, but access. to the people who could do it.

Yeah. For sure. What do you think about AI data centers in space? That is... Yes, it is legal possible for a civilian to purchase decommissioned aircraft carrier.

I'm thinking combined collaborative joint GoFund me with you. I think we should. You know how... What's his name? That comedian Skeet, Pete Davidson,

he bought a boat, like a comedy boat. He did? Yeah, he bought it in on it. Oh, they brought it. It was the... I want to say, barge, but that's the way. He's neither a boat

or a barge. Yeah, it was some ferry. He bought a ferry. That's what it was, yeah. And I'm like, yeah, so him and Colin Joe's bought a ferry. Why can't we buy an aircraft carrier? Michael, we're going to do a go-fummy. First, let's see what the going rate is. What is our entry level?

We might have to add another tier to your Patreon. I think so. I think so. Maybe we might need to bring some other people in, you know, I think we find... The problem is, I bet the catapult wouldn't work. So you could land your airplane on there, it off would be a bitch. I think, well, what if you engineered your plane to allow it? Helicopters. Let's just skip the airplanes. Yeah, or you get it on a F-35?

I don't think you can buy an F-35. Yet. Yet. They need to go through the decomm- I mean, people are buying Blackhawks. Yeah. And some of those things are going for just a couple hundred thousand dollars. Mind you, you're going to spend millions getting it back up to speed. Yeah. But the fact that you could buy a Black Hawk Hulk for $400,000, yeah. I think we could convince Evan to move the black rifle headquarters to an aircraft carrier, just like Shield in, you know, Avengers. Why not just become Shield? I think we're really making some headway here.

At first, I thought Michael and I had discovered the first metahuman, and it was the man who ran through the security checkpoint at the correspondence dinner. They didn't realize we were watching a camera with an ultra low frame rate. But the first time I saw it, I watched it several times. I was like, I was less interested in that, and the shooting and it's like, It's the flash. Yeah. We've identified.

He got caught and was stripped down nude shortly after he went out of frame and it was just the frame rate of the camera. Yeah. That was weird that. Crazy people do crazy things. They really do. They will always find a way to do crazy things. The Secret Service is getting, speaking of helicopters, that is a very, I mean, that's a Huey,

I can tell. Are you having flashbacks from NOM? No, I guarantee you that. Are you going to be like, Comet looking out the window with the rain? No. It's the fire service has one at the city airport. That particular rotor watt, though, which the listener isn't going to be able to hear. It's just funny.

We're talking about military stuff and a hieie is flying by. So absolutely 100%. That's a hughy. Are you getting like a hughy bono right now? First helicopter I ever did a flight in was a hughy, actually. Yeah. Cost me a case of beer, as every first thing does in the seal community. But don't get in trouble drinking and driving.

Okay. No big deal. Yeah. Very conflicting messages. Interesting. The operations officer on Friday. would give you a safety stand-down speech on responsibility and not getting DUIs. He had three, by the way.

And then... Do as I say, not as I do. Well, then it would say, all right, you know, kegger, starting at noon. We'll do a conditioning run and swim. We'll do a run, swim run. And then let's get the volleyball net set up in the grinder. And then let's get the kegs out. And you guys, you know, don't be the first to leave.

It's like, bitch, I drove here. How do you expect me to get home after your safety stand-down speech of don't drink and drive? What if you don't drink? Is it like really, are you kind of looked at like a loser in the seals if you don't drink? It depends. The personality would get you a long way. There would be pressure. And I can only speak for the era that I would in.

I've heard that it has actually shifted in now far more people don't drink than do. In the era that I joined in the late 90s, pressure would be applied. Not a hold you down drink pressure, but there would maybe be a little social ostracization. Yeah. You know? Do you think now that they kind of, you know, they're like, oh, okay. And how do you identify? I don't know.

I have heard some of those policies have permeated all the way into the military. And I've heard from other people that although they tried to and the policies exist, nobody gives a shit. So I don't really know. Yeah. Do you ever get us to go and speak to like Bud's causes that are graduating or anything like that? No. No, I'm not the guy for that. Yeah.

I would actually just recommend you. I'd say, just call Jack. Just completely make up a speech. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's others that have. No, it's, I'm happy to be geographically. from the community. Not that I dislike the community, but it's nice to just be able to focus on life outside of that as well, too. I think they completely tore down and rebuilt the training

facility as well, too. I believe it's still in the same spot, but all new. I think they moved a pool over to the other side, so I actually probably wouldn't even recognize it anymore. I got to go to Coronado once with a friend of mine, and he was doing a, he kind of, he came from your world, and he was doing a stint there before he went up to a last. to do some teaching. And there was a Bud's class going and he brought me in and I'm walking around and I'm looking at these guys and I'm like, wow, that's like a child. He's like 18 year old kids. Like that was me. Baby faced. No stubble. Like I would be surprised if they've ever actually shaved. I was like, wow. Like that's crazy to me. When I went back as an instructor,

that's how I viewed the students too. And many times I sat and wondered if I just assumed that all instructors view the class as that. Because it is, there are older people, mid-20s, happens occasionally. But yeah, man, they're young. And they're getting after it. I can appreciate that for sure. Totally. Yeah.

I mean, dude, to be 18 and being like, nope, I'm going to go do that and, you know, some. See it through. Yeah. Like, that takes some, that's a, that's a strong head. We're a lack of intelligence in my case. Just no better plan B, really. Just like, okay. I didn't have a plan B.

which is not necessarily what I would advocate and say is responsible, but I would also say be careful how sexy or plan B sounds. Yeah. Because the Bud's instructor's role is to remove all hope and to make you think that all of your other options are more enticing than graduation. And we have effective tools. Did you ever come close to being like,

fuck it, I'm out, I'm done? I don't remember ever feeling that way. I mean, for me, we're talking almost 30 years ago and the body has an amazing ability to round the edges of painful experiences. So I have fleeting memories of training at best. But I don't remember ever getting to that point. At some point, the people who quit become an incredible amount of motivation for you to keep going.

Yeah. And that can be a harsh thing for people to hear, but that is the reality. If you are able to accomplish things that others can't and you want to go down that pipeline, it's just a log that's thrown on your fire. Yeah. It's funny. Like, you know, doing climbs and different adventures and stuff that I've done. Like, I sometimes I have these moments where I was like, I have a really nice warm bed.

Not very far from here. Yeah. And if I just go, I'm done. I could be in that warm bed. And it's like, that's such like a corrosive. Yeah, so you could be a buds instructor. Because basically we say the same thing, just in different terms. You know, foldable tables with steaming hot, hot chocolate on them.

Donuts. Oh, you'll do that. Oh, yeah. And you'll tell the entire class as they're doing surf conditioning in the middle of night, we just need one person to quit. We'll stay out here, just one. And whoever does, you can pick however many donuts. you want. You can have all these, you can pour this hot chocolate on yourself if you want to,

but just one. And then you'll get one eventually. And then the goalpost shifts a little bit. Maybe two. And it just, wow. That's so. And it's all mental. But is it a thing as an instructor, is it kind of just like, well, how long will you let that go for? So what the students don't know, but I'm sure they've figured out in the internet era is that the training is actually very regimented. there are cold water immersion tables. There is a precise amount of time. What the students don't see, especially at night, well, we'll turn them around and we're on the beach

as the instructor staff that all the vehicle lights are pointed in their face. What they don't see is a fleet of doctors. MDs looking at all of the students. They don't see somebody off to the side on one of the flanks with a thermometer in the water to check exactly what the water temperature is because we're going back to an Excel spreadsheet.

Because if you go beyond that, the instructor staff will get an immense amount of trouble. And oftentimes, especially in the evenings, the leadership is there, because that's when people just start ejecting. But there is an immersion timeline, and then you have to get them out of the water. So all these sessions where we're trying to entice them with treats or blankets or whatever, somebody's got a stopwatch and we're fucking with them until the appropriate amount of time. Then they're going back in the water anyway. Yeah. And they'll be in and then out. And then it's, you can only do it a certain amount of time. But again, the job of the

instructors to remove hope. So of course the narrative is, gents, this is all we have on the schedule for tonight. This is the only thing we're going to do until the sun comes up, which is a total lie. And then you can set up for them a game that they think that they are winning. It's a super stupid game. Like what's the head count for your class right now? And they get it in the timeline. Okay, because you guys got that right, we'll go ahead and move on. Actually, the reality is we're at the bottom of the Excel spreadsheet. And it's time to move on anyway. Wow.

But you don't know that as a student. It is so chaotic. And by that time, especially during Hell Week, you're probably by Tuesday. You're a little loopy, if not a lot loopy. And towards the end, as a student, you think you're moving at this incredible rate of speed. And when you augment the Hell Week classes as an instructor by Thursday, Friday, it is so boring because they're moving at a pace of a corpse. And they think they're just running as fast as possible. But it looks like an almost dying person because they're almost dying.

Yeah. And then it's just about keeping them awake more than anything. And they feed you guys pretty good, though, right? Every six hours. I mean, you can eat as much as you want. Wow. And you're still going to lose weight. Yeah, of course.

You know. I mean, you're probably burning seven, eight thousand calories a day. Not like you, of course, sponsored by big GLP1. Yeah, it's just like it. I'm, I'm doing it in neck. You are the lightest I've ever seen. Yeah, no, I'm too. You're active as hell, though.

Yeah. We just got done, did it, you know, an hour, 45 minutes of jiu-jitsu. Your jutsu felt great, by the way. Thank you. I'd say you're a brown belt. Yeah, thank you. I think your coaches are just holding your back. They're holding you to a standard.

They're not holding other people, too. It's not fair. Well, you know, listen, I trust my coach. He is the, he is, hey, hey, Yoda, when you say, you say. Good answer. Yeah. That's a good answer. You can tell me the truth afterwards when the, you know.

No, Chris is awesome, man. I love Chris. He's the best. How awesome is Jiu-Jitsu? Oh, dude, it's the best, man. Like, I, we were just talking about. Like, I wish I started younger, but I'm so glad I found it when I found it. because I think it's it's kind of become one of those things that I needed the most kind of,

especially in this time in my life of like having the ability to go somewhere three times a week and just feel physical just like the squeeze. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's the best. It is the best. Oh. Where do you, because you were just saying like you kind of feel like as a black belt, you're now kind of in that like honing phase.

Do you feel like, do you feel your game has shifted in the last couple years? I would have to ask the people that I roll with. I can say my approach to my game has shifted. What I'm working on right now is earlier recognition of when I need to let go and move on to something else. Because you can really get ahead of people if you don't hold on too long. And just trying to use, I'm trying to accomplish more with less, which is a concept that was expressed to me as a white belt.

It didn't really grab a hold of it at that point. It was, let's just do more with more, which is exhausting. And that's how your knuckles get all tore up. I mean, I take a lot of grips when we're playing geese stuff, but also I don't death grip it. I'll let people break my grip. I just don't care. Yeah.

I found it to be more sustainable. But, and also, I guess I would say, I'm working on, instead of trying to do something, trying to recognize what is available based off what the other person is giving me. Yeah. As opposed to trying to impose your will. And it's been interesting. I've seen in the last six months more, not that I can execute the opportunity,

but in my head, oh, I never thought about doing that there because I was trying to force something else. Yeah. It's been a cool journey. Yeah. So, yeah, people who are in a rush to get their belts, so I'm here to tell you, there's not actually anything at the end of that journey.

Yeah, no, I love being a purple belt. It's like been, I've learned the most. I've, like, really, like, I've just enjoyed it. Yeah, only Derek Moneybird can get his belt in two years. what you were saying. This is true. You trained with him and gave him

your stamp of approval. I have not trained with him. No, I'm just making things up. Well, yeah. But I, listen, I mean, listen, the people that gave him his black belt, I think that's the conversation. It's not necessarily with him.

It's like, okay, like, let's talk about why and how. And if you guys, you know, explain why he's a black belt. Or he could put up one video of him doing a live role. Yeah, I haven't done that much research into it. I have done it. I have done any. Yeah. That's something I've heard other people say.

Yeah. So it's probably true. Yeah. Maybe there is. I hear Michael Singles flying over there. It's, but like, yeah. I mean, listen, there have been people that got it. I mean, dude, you got it quick.

You got it in what, six, five? Five and a half. Five and a half. Okay. I mean, that's quick. But you were also doing 12 to 14 sessions per week, a bunch of privates in between and when I had to travel. I mean, when I was at Blue Belt, I was doing an hour private, then taking Travis's class

then doing open mat. So I would do three hours straight. Wow. And I would do that six days a week, if I could. And then sometimes I would come in the morning and then go in the evening as well, too, to double dip on the classes. Plus open mats on Saturday and Sunday. Oh, you got the bug, dude.

You were just. It was awesome. I fascinated by the fact you can't master it. And also, yeah, I was really enjoying not thinking about my divorce at the time. It was a helpful tool to utilize and put my energy into to just not think about being reduced to an Excel spreadsheet as to lawyers argue between your worth as a human being?

Not that you've ever had to go through something like this. Right. God. But I remember like... How do you even describe it? It's the fucking worst. Well, that was like the first thing we connected on on that shoot and the hunting challenge that we did. What was it called? It was called the SIGs...

Hunter Games. That's what I thought, yeah. And yeah, that's what we spoke about the most was just like our brutal divorces. Fuck, man. It's the worst, man. do not recommend. 10 out of 10. Don't recommend.

I did not think I was going to get married again. I am so thankful that I found Leah and got married to her. I say the same thing to my wife. When I met her, I was like, I'll never get married again just so you know. Yeah. I think it's about finding the right person. 100% is. Yeah.

Yeah. And for clarity, I mean, I got married when I was 23, the first time. I think back then I probably told myself that it was the right person. I just couldn't have figured the difference in who we would be and what our relationship would be almost 20 years later. Wow. Yeah, 19 years and 11 months. Wow. Wow.

Yeah, I wasn't that long. I was about seven, seven years with my first wife. I don't think it makes it any easier. Was the end amicable or no? No, but we're good now. We're chill now. Like we, you know, she's, we text often. She's, you know, we have 50, 50 custody with my three oldest kids.

And it's great. Like, she's good with my wife. And yeah, we're all good. Like it's no, it was a definite readjustment. Okay, what's this new baseline? How does this relationship work? You know, I did some shitty things. She did some shitty things.

And it's like, all right, we're good now. Like, we got it all out of our system. And we know that like, okay, the kids come first. How do we co-parent and serve them best? How old are they now? 14, 11, 8. And then I have a nearly four-year-old and a newborn. You're so fucked.

Yeah, and they're all girls. What? All girls, dude. Oh, your life is over. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. It's like, yeah, it's over in the most like abundantly loving way possible. How's that 14 year old doing?

She's amazing, but she's 14. And I'm just like, I'm like, okay. Like I don't, I don't force anything. If she's just being like, mm-hmm, hmm, I'm like, all right, that's cool. I mean, we can both attest to being a young man and, you know, testosterone is just flowing out of, It was just like if you were to fill this cup, it's just all over the table. Having now, my daughter is 18 now. She just turned 18.

And wow. The 13 through, I'll just say today, yeah, they're, man, complicated little devils. Yeah. And it's like the thing with Pohl is, but she's such a rad human at the same time. Like she can be like so mean and like, ugh, and like, you know. But then she'll come out with something so funny and cool and, like, just is this very, she's not your typical, like, L.A. girl. Like, she's listening to, like, awesome music and she plays bass and she's, like, got this amazing, like, mane of curly hair.

And, like, she's just awesome. And so even though she can be horrible to me, I'm just kind of like, whatever, you're awesome. Are you ready for her to be driving? We've talked about it, sort of. I asked her, like, what kind of car do you want? She's like, I want a Hellcat. I was like, nope. Starter car.

Yeah, Hellcat. I was like, I'm getting you a Volvo. You get something slower than that. A smart car. Get her a count to Weigovie or whatever those driver, those cars are. Yeah, exactly. Like the drive-you car, yeah. Waymo.

Waymo. Yeah, but she's, yeah, but, you know, she asked me the day because she's going into high school. She's like, are you going to be cool if I get a boyfriend? And I was like, okay, yeah, we should have that conversation. Here's the rule. Like, I don't mind you dating a freshman or, you know, what is off to freshman? Sophomore. Sophomore, that's fine.

No juniors, no seniors. Because that's weird. And I'm like, and here's the deal. When you start dating, he needs to come to open mat at my gym. Let me know when that day is. Uncle Andy will swim back for. Totally. Just like, that's my rule to her.

Yeah. It's funny. I actually got that from totally. I was talking to a guy at origin. I was talking to this guy there, and he's like, I've got four daughters, and this is what I did. And I'm like, that's a great idea. It's good for them to know that if you wanted to, you could break them off. Yes.

It's actually essential for them to know that. Because young men, again, as you and I went through that phase, think that they are largely impervious to things until you feel helpless. Especially young guys in L.A. that are just like, ooh, riding around on their e-bikes and just, you know. They wear really tight. I was just there. Like I said, for Mike Rose thing. How do you get into skinny jeans? Well, it's fun.

Dude, the skinny jeans are kind of going away. Now it's super baggy jeans. Now people are back in like jinko jeans and like real baggy stuff. I understand the baggy ones feel like they're easy to get into. I feel like some of these are spray painted on and I'm not sure what we're. Is this like, hey ladies, check out my bulge in calves or what's got what is the need for this? I don't know. I've never been like a tight gene guy.

I just, I never, they're uncomfortable. It's like, get me out of this. Like, no, not my vibe. But you were a seal, I'm sure you wore tight jeans. No. Had good hair. I mean, that part, obviously. Fantastic look, chiseled figures.

Yeah. No, it was board shorts, flip-lops, and T-shirt. Okay. Mandatory. Baseball hat with sunglasses. Okay. Yeah. When none of us ever looked alike, you would never be able to pick us out in a crowd.

But yet, you would be able to pick you out in a crowd because you all have like frog tattoos and tridents. Yes, that is a very... Do you have a trident and or a frog tattoo? I used to have a frog tattoo I covered over it with my sleeve. Okay. Yeah. Right on.

I wanted to, and some people have said, you know, why would you do that? And I have to remind them, I can get another one if I want to. I've already earned the opportunity to do that. And it's not something that I'm not proud of, but I also don't want to always look down and see that or be that. So for me, I thought it was a healthy step. Just over the last, actually, I probably haven't seen you since I had that. Yeah. I had to do a three-quarter sleeve.

What is it of? It's just artistic, you know, representations of life in and of itself. Okay. Right on. Nothing super crazy. Yeah. What are you going to do? What are you got next?

Okay. Well, like you said, though, I mean, so you have a, let's just say that behind the scenes or whatever professional you want to do, you got years of sorting the other stuff out. Yeah. In addition to that, we'll scrape that off the table. What else you got? We're doing my dad's movie at Sony Studios. So that's all.

Who's playing him? Yet to be kind of secured, but we have someone in mind. Who and why is it Chris Hemsworth? It's definitely Chris Hemwell. It's either Chris Hemswell or the Rock. We're kind of like, we're torn. No, we, we've, I can't really say because they don't like, you know, they like to do the big announcements. But, you know, we've had a bit of communication with his team and Seth definitely interested. And it's a really great young actor. And, but it's hard. Life story, I'm assuming, of your father?

Yeah. Yeah. So it kind of tracks, you know, life story, but kind of surrounded by like him and my mom's relationship. and it's not like a fluff piece. Like we kind of, you know, we pull, we don't pull punches on it. And it's, it's. He didn't seem to really either. No. You know? Yeah.

So we're working on that, like, very much, like, I'm very much involved in that. We're doing a whole bunch of, you know, we're bringing back Oz Fest, which is the festival that we had for years. Who's going to play you? Who's going to play me? God, who would play me? That's a great. Honestly, haven't even thought of it because we're in it for, like, we're, like, background.

Well, you're going to need multiple for you and for your dad probably too, depending on the era. Well, yeah, the main focus is going to kind of be the bulk of the film is like 80s to kind of mid-90s. So you're going to need young you. Yes, child me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, that's, but we're kind of just like, we purposely put it to where like kids are kind of background. Yeah. And the kids are playing outside while something's going on inside. I don't know. Your story, let's see, what was it? You were supposed to be in rehab, but you're. were running drunk to your neighbor's house. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah, I forgot. I told you that story. Just because your dad was doing some wild shit, didn't mean the rest of you weren't doing some wild shit. Yeah, there was a lot of wild shit, man. There was a lot of wild shit back then. How did you survive that? Dude, I honestly think it's because I got sober.

I got sober young and I like, like, I took to it and I really like dove in to just recovery. And it was, but I think what really kept me in was like the community of recovery. Like, I was lacking that. I was lacking, like, a solid group of guys that didn't necessarily care who I was, what I did, and where I came from. It was just like, hey, we're all just kind of figuring life out. What do you think the driving factor for the sobriety was? Did you realize you wanted to change your station in life or trajectory? It was a lot of things.

You know, it was the realization that, like, this can't go on. Like, this only leads to one, you know, well, you know, as I say in, you know, in 12-step recovery, jails, institutions, or death. Like that's really the outcome of this. And I didn't want that. I really liked that I figured out how to have fun sober. And I liked the community I was in. It was a bunch of little things that stacked up to bear being like, okay, this is worthwhile.

And I need to put the work in to maintain it. And then there's the spiritual solution component to it, which, you know, I got sober as like a diehard atheist. and kind of, you know, when you kind of go through it and you start to kind of experiment and dip your toe into whatever kind of spirituality, it's, you're like, okay, like there's something to that. And it, yeah, it just, I took to it. Did you have to reinvent your social circle? Big time. Big time.

Yeah, I'd imagine it'd be very difficult if you were trying to be on an island of sobriety surrounded by everything else. Yeah, and it just wasn't attractive to me anymore. You know, and I didn't, I would still go out and like get up in the club in L.A. at the time. And I had, but I went with a posse of sober guys. And we just had the best time ever. And that was figuring out how to have a crazy amount of fun, I think is what kept me sober. And then as I, you know, a few years after getting sober, I found climbing. And then I started doing all these adventures and making these adventure shows in England. and it just was like, I was like, man, this is like, this is fun. And you've been in the entertainment space for a long time. Okay, so you got the biopic for your dad. What else you got going on? Still doing my podcast, my YouTube stuff and just, yeah, I'm just kind of like.

Sometimes I see your stuff and then sometimes it seems like you take a break. Do you take a break in production? So I was, yeah, I was figuring out. I was figuring out the system. Like, okay, what's the, you know, how does this? I did have, for the longest time, I had this production company and then I shut it down just because the cost of funding a TV production company to make content digitally. It just wasn't apples to apples.

And so financially just didn't make sense. And so I kind of shrunk my footprint, got into business with a new production company doing all my content who are awesome. And yeah, I've just been a little more consistent with it. Still doing some paranormal stuff, doing my interview podcast. But I'm just, I'm at a place now where it's like I have zero full-time employees, everything's like contracted out. I'm keeping it lean and mean and it's awesome.

I'm like, hey, this is great. You also have a good roll-a-dex of people to pull from. I do. You have a fascinating intersection of your life in the personal and professional stuff that you've done. Yeah. Like we out in the military world, you know a tremendous amount of the same people that I do.

Which is kind of weird. It is weird. Yeah. Which I didn't realize until we started chatting at that SIG event. But yeah, so you have the public-facing names that people would recognize and they'll tune in for it. But you also have a ridiculous of behind the scenes. Yeah, like all the Black Rifle guys, we go back years.

Like since day one of Black Rifle when it was off 15, like I've known those guys and you know, Tyler? Yeah. Is he done fucking his life up yet or is he still in the middle of that? Tyler's doing great. Good. Yeah. God.

What is a fucking train wreck? I saw some random post from him. Here I am Christmas Eve at an airport. And I went no farther because there's nothing good that comes from a post like that. And I didn't reach out, but I was like, dude, what are you doing? Tyler's doing all right. He's hanging in there. I think he's living in Vegas again.

And yeah, he's doing good. And he's getting some projects off the ground. And so love Tyler, though. You know, we were roommates. Yeah, that had to have been a journey through space and time. Yeah, that was, yeah, that was funny. A lot of video games. Yeah.

What's your goal with your podcast? You just like sitting down and chat with people? Yeah, I like sitting down and chat with people. I'm not like obsessed with, you know, I don't obsess over the numbers of like, oh, this guest had this man. I need to kind of, I don't chase, I don't chase clicks. It's so healthy. Yeah, it's, I think there's a lot of, it's a lot of wasted energy. I just enjoy the conversations I have.

And then I've got this paranormal kind of side that I do, kind of have two podcasts and where I just retell these like famous paranormal cases. And I have a lot of fun with that. And it's super easy. And like, it's just, yeah, I want to be. I'm trying to make it as simple and as lean as possible. What's the most compelling paranormal story you've encountered? For myself or heard? Both.

Okay. So for myself, man, I've had things where I actually just told this. I was doing a live stream and someone asked me that. I had this thing happen. There was a couple things, actually. I brought my mom on this paranormal investigation at this haunted hotel. And where was it? It was just near Ohio in California.

and we were doing this experiment. It's called the SDs experiment where you put like noise cancelling headphones on and a blindfold and you just kind of sit quietly and you just kind of, whatever comes to mind, you just like spew it out. But the craziest thing, my mom went into this, and this is not bullshit.

She went into this very strange, like trance where she slowly over four minutes, like basically, it was like someone was powering down her body and she slumped back in a chair, completely out. She stopped breathing. I had to give her resuscitive breaths. What? Yes.

Craziest shit I've ever seen. We have it all on camera. Over four minutes, she slowly passes out. Okay, step one, don't do that again with your mom. Hell no. I was like, you are never doing this again. We rushed it to the hospital. Ambulance came.

They did every single test imaginable. She had MRIs, cat scans, blood work. book. They hooked the electrodes up to her head. The only thing they found was that she was slightly dehydrated. And I was like, I've never seen anyone slightly dehydrated. Stop breathing. Yeah. Maybe they cramp a little bit. Yeah. So there was that. I've had things like objects move in front of me, you know, kind of throw things out like, hey, make that move. Object to move. I've had things where I've said. What type of object? Like there would be a bowl on a table. Granted, we, you know, hey, someone could have open.

opened a door, it could have made it roll. We kind of checked it all. I've had flashlights turn on on command where we're like, all right, there's a flashlight there make it turn on. I've got a video of that, actually, I can show you. Obviously, the switch was in the person's shoe. Duh, remote detonator. Duh. I had something while I was telling this story. I was at my house in L.A. and the way the way the house was laid out was if I was looking at the TV, it was above the fireplace, if I looked down the hole, the door facing me was my kid's bedroom. And I was sat there and I was kind of dozing on the couch and the door was fully shot because I was watching TV and I wanted to wake the kids. I'm kind of dozing.

And my wife had got up and she's like, hey, I'm going to bed when you finish, you know, don't sleep on the couch. I was like, all right. I was finishing this TV show. And I look because I hear the door opening. I hear the handle turning. And I was just kind of sat there and I thought the door would open and, you know, one of my daughters would emerge and, like, Daddy, I had an eye, whatever. Sat there and I just see the door slowly open.

Very, very, very slowly. And I'm like, just horror movie speed? Yeah, full horror. And I'm watching this. Like, I get the chills telling this story. And I'm looking and I'm waiting, waiting for my kid, waiting for someone to come out. I'm like, what the fuck? Fuck. I walk into the room. I get ice cold. And all I do is I say, I just said, get the fuck out. I don't know who you are. I don't know what you are. Get the fuck out of my house. And I honestly get the chills telling that story. It was the weirdest, craziest, just I can't explain. I shut that door. I heard the handle go. I sawed the dough. Now, it could have been a kid sleepwalking, opened up the door, sleepwalk and then climbed back into bed. I went in there.

calling out one of the names. I was like, Andy, you know, Minnie, like, what's up? Nothing. They were fast asleep, snoring. You should have gone in there and said, I accept your invitation. I'm here to party. I say for it as pineapple. Let's go. I mean, if somebody was trying to communicate with you, don't tell them to leave. They didn't get their message. Well, no, I was like, because my thing was like, hey, that's my safe space. Like, you're not in my, I don't want you in my safe space. I certainly can't explain a lot of things, but I don't like watching horror movies because of the ridiculous nature of that. And it's the music that gets you. And the jumps gas and, yeah.

Yeah, I don't need to live that. Have you seen the, I'm sure they're on YouTube, but the Instagram videos of the spouses, and they're only doing this to men. And this is super fucked up, but I'm also here for it. Essentially, it's a Chucky doll, but it's battery controlled. And so they'll put an inanimate object on the couch and set up a camera, and it'll start to, move and the level of losing. That's amazing. That is amazing.

Michael, if you can find these, it's absolutely worth it. There's compilations. And it's always the same. Because they catch a little movement. What is that? And then sometimes they'll go back and then they catch it again. But if they see it move on their own, it is like a levitation out of the seating or laying position that they're in.

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and enjoy the difference that their product makes in your life. Back to the show. That's so funny. I mean, she's handling it pretty well. She's handled it better than I would. I would kick that thing. You have never seen anything levitate. Did you ever have any weird spooky shit

when you were in the military? Not a single thing, man. Really? Not that, you know, we could turn day into night. So the shadows, and you could just see, you know, sitting on that couch, if all the lights are off, you've looked through nods plenty of times, you know what I'm talking about, you can see into the room. Yeah.

You would have been seen somebody if they had their hand on the knob. So it's not that there's not scary things that happen at night, but it's less scary when you're looking at it through a green or a white tube, you know? I can't think of a single thing. that was unexplainable in that way. What about aliens? You had to have been to Area 51. I wish.

No. I have talked to you, though, pilots who flew in and around area 51. And I do understand, I think, why people that are out there looking for stuff see stuff, because if you catch the right pilot at the right time, they'll tell you stories about deviating from all approved flight protocol to, like, low buzz people and do stuff that would be unexplainable, especially to the naked eye at night. and you know when an F-18

misses you by about six feet and comes ripping around and surprises you and you don't hear it coming or you know there's weird stuff there do you think that I mean I'm sure you've met some people that like have had

first-hand experience at Air 51 do you think there's yes but I still am waiting to see an actual demonstrable piece of information I the way I I view it, from my understanding, humans barely have an idea or an approximation of the known size of the universe. Safe to say, it's massive, almost like head exploding massive. I think it is statistically improbable that we are alone. Yeah. And I actually think if aliens showed up,

assuming Independence Day is not the movie we're talking about where they destroy everything, it would, I think it would be net positive for humanity because maybe instead of fighting each other, we could come together a little bit, realize like, hey, if they were able to make it here, maybe we ought to like... Figure shit out. Tighten up just to touch.

Let's work together instead of against each other. We have way more in common, regardless of our disagreements, than the dude who just showed up from Battlestar Galactica. So I think it would be net positive. I know for a fact that these research programs exist, But what it seems to be is somebody will come testify about either something that they saw but can't show you. A program they were read into but can't tell you much about or somebody that they know who brought them something and showed it to them. But they don't have the thing.

Just hold up the goddamn piece of the spaceship. Yeah. I want to believe. Show us a picture. Yes. I want to believe that we're not alone. But I also would like to have some level of demonstrable evidence. associated with that.

Do you think, because I call it like a staggered disclosure, I think that just getting us used to, you know, they're releasing all this, you know, drone footage. I mean, we're there, right? Aren't we kind of? I feel like within the next 10 years, they're going to show us a real picture. Like, hey.

Let's say it was today. Let's say the 4th of July. Happy birthday. Here's your present. We're going to unwrap whatever. Here's from planet, you know, Zeno as an example. With all the volcanoes. Sure.

I mean, what do you think would happen? I think what everyone fears, oh, there's going to be social collapse because of all the religious institutions. I actually don't think it's that. I think people will have such distrust in government because the government's been a lot. Every government on planet Earth has been lying to its citizens for the last 80 years. And that's the case, too. This would be not just a U.S. lying. This is the entire globe.

Unless for some reason these only crash in the U.S., which I believe to be improbable. Yeah. Yeah. I went to Mexico and I got to see the weird little aliens. Do you know about these? Yeah, but they also got tested and found to be. No, no. That was like disinformation they put out.

I met, I met, I met. Alien propaganda. Total bullshit. I met with the. Michael. Mexico aliens propaganda. No, they're called tridactals. Or the NASCAR mummies. I went and I got to see him.

I saw the x-rays. I saw the cat scans. I spoke with this. Mexican Navy doctor who did all the... Mexican Navy doctor, okay. Who did all the testing. He got put in jail because he wouldn't... He came out and said, I'm not saying this is bullshit.

The Mexican government were like, you need to say this is fake. And it was wild. You can see wear and tear in the joints from like almost like arthritic in some of these older ones. He had images on that, Michael. Yeah.

There's one, and there's like three different types. And there's one, there's a pregnant one. Yeah, that's... Yep, dude. Stop it. This is not bullshit. I swear to you. I see...

I've seen... Okay, so the one with its knees rolled up... Yep. ...is a female, and when they did a scan, there's three eggs inside of it. And then they put a little camera in and... Are you bought and paid for by Big Alien? I am not bought and paid for, but I went there being like, this is cake. Because remember when they were...

They've all these skits that... These things are cake? Totally not. I've got pictures... I'll show you. I've got pictures of holding one of the things. and you can see like bone, whatever, like marrow divvets and stuff in the finger. So what do they make of these? Best assessment or best guess, what are these?

They have no idea because the DNA, we only could track. When they sent the DNA testing off, it came back that we only can recognize 80% of it. So there's 20% of DNA of these things where they, like, we have no idea what it is. That's a weird mix. Yeah. because if you look at like us to a cockroach is more than 80%. Like we're like, what, 89% to a cockroach. Are we really?

Yeah, it's like it's really not that. Oh, okay. It's not that far apart. I mean, it could be wrong with that number, but we're not as far apart from a cockroach as this thing is from humans. And there's hundreds of them. What? Yeah.

I thought there was only three. No. They found in Peru, there's, there's about a hundred of them. And the crazy thing is the Peruvian government, the ones that got to Mexico, they released, initially, they let them take out of the country because they were like, well, these things aren't real. Are you sure this has been... Everyone I spoke to was like they were, I saw, I mean, listen, it would have to be the greatest

costume and special effects artist ever to put this thing together. Yeah. There was nothing that I saw that was like wire inside of it or sutras or any, it, it, by all. By all, by all, all accounts was very real. And it's covered in, it's all white because it's covered in diatomaceous earth, some kind of preservative that you can use for gardening or some shit. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, I don't, I don't think there would be a societal collapse. I do think that there would be unanswerable questions from our government and many others as to what companies have you given this tech to? and is the only reason that you didn't disclose this

was because of the technological advantage. How much of this is currently being used? Who has benefited from this? And who's taken our tax dollars to now have financial gain from this? Yes, and who has leapfrog the competition because they went from whatever, a bick lighter to quantum,

whatever, fill in the blank. That, I think, would infuriate people more than the green man. I think it would be cool if we weren't alone. Oh, yeah. I think it would be great. And to your point, I think it's a really unifying kind of concept at the end of the day. Because like, hey, get your shit together.

Because, you know, little green man, if he can travel across the universe in any capacity. That's another one I don't really understand, though. If they have the ability to get here, why do they crash so often? Maybe they crash on purpose. Maybe they're leaving us Easter eggs. I don't accept that theory at all. Pilot error is a thing. Why do they have so much pilot error at the end of the journey as opposed to traveling?

At the beginning. I mean, statistically, if it's going to crash, it's in the beginning, right? You know, there's a lot of theories, too, that there's more undersea than on land. I will tell you this, and I just tell my buddy this. I have a friend who is close with the president, and they speak. often and he asked him about it. And his quote was from, this is what he told me, the president said, was, we have no idea what they are, but they're in the ocean. I don't know what to feel about the story that you just told me. There's so many questions I have. Off, off mic, I'll tell you,

the whole. For sure. We will, yeah. Here's the problem. I feel like this man called the president on a Wednesday at 3 p.m. He answered and said this over an unclassified telephone line. And from my friend, that is a very common occurrence with our present, our president. Well, if the aliens are real, I expect him to hop in the cockpit of an F-16 and lead the charge. A hundred percent, dude. As it did in the then-to-be documentary Fourth of July or whatever that movie was. But who's going to be the-independence day? Yeah, who's going to be the wacky guy that, you know, suicide bombs it?

Probably haggseth. After he gets done benching 350 and shotguning a bit. beer. We are living in a very wild time. Oh, yeah. But what a time to be alive? I feel like every generation of every moment of civilization has a chance to say that, though. Do you think it'll mellow out or do you think it's only going to continue to get crazier?

Like, until we're full-blown idiocracy. Is there a potential realm where we already are in full-blown idiocry? Well, Crocs are a thing. Crocs are comfortable. Plus, they have four-wheel drive mode. You can be casual or off-road. This is true. So don't beg on crox.

And we have kind of a celebrity president. He may not have been a pawn star wrestler. Like what was his name, President Macho Nacho or whatever? But he's... Yeah. Um, I don't know. I'm not a betting man. But if I had to bet on that, I don't know where I would put it.

Yeah. I don't... It depends. If you... It depends on what you consider to be real. What you see online or what you see with your own two eyes. I try to focus heavily on the latter and less on the former. Constantly, I will say nothing crazier than this could happen.

And then I see something crazier. So that, I'm clearly wrong when it comes. I don't know, man. What do you think? Well, I look at it as like a pendulum, right? And we've, you know, now with the administration, the pendulum swung to the right. And I'm like, okay, well, if the left takes over, how hard are they going to swing in a retaliation to to the left. And also, what would that look like? Yeah. Would they, I mean, we kind of experienced

it with Biden to a degree. Yeah, I mean, there's some of the social policies, using an example of physical infrastructure, though, the ballroom, which there's a whole conversation around that. Having, I have been to the White House. I am aware that sometimes the United States hosts events, like, as an example, I really think the hotel that Reagan got shot at and also, The guy, the metahuman ran through the metal detectors. We should avoid that venue in the future. We probably need a ballroom at the White House. Yeah.

Now, if it gets completed or is close to being completed and the left does take over, are they going to tear that down? I mean, is that how far we're going to go? Does it have to be physical in nature? Would it be policy? I just don't know what it would look like. Yeah. Or are they going to, because there's no way they can finish building that in, what,

there's two years left? Well, I think if it was a regular ballroom, you probably could. I think it's safe to say there's a lot of different security features that'll be enhanced inside of that as well that probably take time. I bet you it would be close in the final phases, if not done. Yeah.

And then to cut your nose off to spite your face, do you spend the extra money to tear it down? I don't know. So I don't know how far the pendulum will go. Yeah. I can see it from a policy side. I could see them changing tax code.

I could see them changing, you know, Title IX stuff. I mean, but why? that that's just the thing. It's, I think, just because they can, and it's a show of like, look, well, we've undone what, you know. I mean, I could go play blindfolded frogger down Main Street.

I'm not going to. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And that applies to both sides of the aisle, you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. Yeah, it's, I just wonder what, what the next level of, like, weird it's going to get. Like, okay, Trump did the UFC at the White House.

Is the next president, to make a point, going to do, like, another, like, some, another event at the white aisle. Like, and what's that going to be? Michael and I talked. Have you seen the comments, Michael? People are very upset. And when we talked about the UFC event,

we didn't discuss that the Biden administration had a pride event. Pride event with, what do they call the dudes that dress up like girls? Gender. I think it was transvestite. No, it was a drag queen. Okay. Drag queen show. And had I been aware of that or had remember that, I would have commented on it.

But sorry, people, I can't comment on all things at all times. Yeah, maybe don't, you know. I mean, Jay-Z performed at the White House. Like, it's a thing. And I had Billy Bush on my podcast recently. It's coming out, I think, next week. And he was telling me that when George Bush Sr. was in office, he had an exhibition tennis match with his sons competing against tennis players in the South Lawn. I wonder if he told him they had to lose.

Well, here's the crazy. It was when, like, Jeb was young. and it was against female tennis players and apparently they won. How long are you going to stay entrenched in Los Angeles? Oh man, I don't think I'm for, I don't think much longer. It's, dude, it's if you want an example. And that's what's so shocking to me about everyone's like,

oh, Gavin Newsom's going to run. I'm like, well, all they got to do is just look at California and go, he will not win. Well, somehow he probably will. Well, not only look at California, but look at California in the difference between when he first was elected and where he is now. He has a history of taking credit and saying things that, A, he didn't have a hand in. And B, a lot of the performance from when he took over to now is kind of the exact opposite of what he's portraying. Yeah.

Yeah, he's not, I think that guy is pure evil. He has destroyed the state with just policy after policy. and he's just, you know, and you see he goes on Sean Ryan and, like, plays the game. Oh, yeah, yeah, probably shouldn't have done. It's like, dude, just stop. The monorails could be sweet, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, $24 billion later. A lot of people want to go to Bakersfield, though.

Hey, it's... No shame. I'm not throwing shade at Bakersfield. Don't go in the summer, though, because it's hot as cold. Wait, wasn't that like a hostage crisis in Bakersfield recently? There was some hostage situation. Maybe. Yeah, there was like a 24-hour standoff.

Do you think you'll ever be able to lift and shift at L.A.? I mean, obviously, you have family. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, my ex-wife, she wants to move out of state. My mom's talked about it because it's, dude, it's the cost of living. There you go. Bakersfield, 15-hour standoff. Yeah.

Yeah, it was a whole thing. Yeah. Ten hostages rescued unharmed. That's good. That's a good way to end that. Yeah. We like that. Yeah.

Way to go FBI. It appears that the FBI, the hostage taker did not survive. No. That's actually probably should be the expectation if you do it. I mean, I don't know how people think that's going to go. Yeah, whatever. But the, you know, the, just the, the cost in L.A. is so extreme. I went to a coffee shop.

You own a coffee shop. How much do you sell two lattes and two pastries for? Like, what would that come to at your black rifle? I mean, so size-wise, we'll go mediums down the middle. Maybe $15. $37. that was before tip. Was it excellent pastry?

Yes. I mean, it's a fantastic coffee shop and I frequent it often. So it's not stopping you, but you're... I mean, it's, well, it does sometimes. You know, I definitely go sparingly these days, but yeah, $37. It's like how, it's, it just doesn't,

and now it's just the cost of everything there. It's like, what are we just, what for? I'm not seeing it in action, any of this taxes or any, it's like the city's not, It's not safe at all. The day I moved into my house, I was unpacking the moving van.

I see this blacked out Prius pull up to this house that's like catty corner to me. Four guys in ski masks run out. Full home invasion. This was at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. Armed? I did not see weapons, but they had ski masks and they jumped. They weren't expecting a homeowner to be there because she was. She came out screaming.

And they took off. But I'm just like. What is going on? And then you call, how long do you think it took for the cops to get the... Well, assuming that they came, two hours. It was about 25 minutes. Okay. Yeah.

But you said they pulled up in a Prius? Yeah. So they still could have caught them. No, sorry, they were in a Tesla, blacked out Tesla. This is going to be harder to catch them. Yeah, much harder. Yeah. They could go ludicrous mode.

I mean, say Prius would be... Sometimes there's conflicting ideologies. You know, worried about the environment, but also want to take things from other people that you don't own. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, I just, I'm like, it's just, it breaks my heart because I used to love L.A. was the best city. It was so much fun. What do you think about Spencer Pratt and the recent election? Do you know Spencer? I know him like distantly. Like we have a very close mutual friend and we'd kind of similar circles back when he was doing, doing his show. And a huge amount of my friends actually lived in the palisades. And so I saw firsthand. And so I saw firsthand. And, and. And I've seen firsthand what that fire did.

I haven't been able to go up there. Oh, dude. It's, it's just a wasteland, essentially? Think of, like, photos after Hiroshima, just flat and you'll see a chimney or like a metal frame of a hat. It's just rubble and steep. It was, it was terrifying. What did they do with all of the money they raised to rebuild? That, well, I can tell you.

It got siphoned off to all these nonprofits. and nothing. I think something like... Well, hasn't only a handful of building permits been issued? Yep. Handful of building permits. I think there's one house that's been finished in the palisades. But who wants to live there?

I don't want to live in some. And then you've got all these black rocks coming in and these private equity companies just because they know that people are bogged down. There was something really interesting that happened, which never gets brought up. And I kind of caught onto it pretty quickly. There was a new story that came out a few months before the fire, and they were talking about the housing crisis in L.A., primarily in Santa Monica.

That Santa Monica was going to have to turn these beach parking lots, where you park your car if you go to the beach. They're going to have to build low-income housing in those parking lots, or the city will have these crazy fines week after week until they have enough affordable housing. And so they were going to build low-income housing beachfront. Yeah. Beach-front property. And there was a huge issue because they didn't have the space to build the low-income housing. And there was this whole cut to three months later, a giant fire comes in and wipes out the entire palisades and parts of Santa Monica. Well, now we've got a great solution to this potentially, you know, $100 million problem.

And I'm like, did they, was a part of this? about kind of cleaning the slate to put in this low-income housing. And, man, it depends on how conspiratorial you would want to be. I'm not against saying it's possible. Yeah. And just, oh, God, Karen Bass is the frickin, the mayor is like, oh. So how does she continue to get reelected then? Dude, it's wild to me.

Yeah, I was, so I went and did Huberman's show and he records up in Malibu. And for people who haven't been, the palisades are the northwestern side of Los Angeles. but the PCH or Pacific Coast Highway drives up there through as well. You go through the Malibu area. I mean, I was blown away. There would be a couple houses and then just remnants. And I forget who we were talking to. It was somebody locally.

Oh, Leah did a surfing lesson. And the guy who taught her the lesson was in real estate. And she was asking about that Malib. Just you want to talk about the most pristine beach. I mean, a lot of them that, you know, the concrete pylons that go in and your deck is over. It's amazing. The sunsets over the Pacific.

He was saying he doesn't know if it'll ever be rebuilt at all. Just to get a permit for the septic systems millions of dollars. That's let alone the building permit or the building costs associated with that. He doesn't know it'll ever be rebuilt. No. And there's the coastal commission which now determines like how your house can look. Is it going to block someone's view? It's all these, oh, is there enough room for animals to migrate between your houses?

You now have to, say you had a house, what they would do with these beach houses is you had a 5,000 square foot lot. You built your house at, you know, 4,000, you know, and, you know, 990. You can touch your neighbor's house. Yeah, basically. Yeah, it was six feet apart. A joint. Yeah.

Now you have to have it offset by like X amount of feet. Ooh. And so your house, your building is smaller. and so now the price is reduced and you're not, you know, oh, I had a $20 million beach house. Now it's a $15 million beach house. Okay, yeah. But it's still, at the end of the day, you're getting, it's not a replacement and it's now depreciated. Yeah, the people who have the money to do that are not interested in what you're talking about.

The smartest person here apparently is Kanye with an all concrete house. Yeah. Do you know him? I've never met him. No, never met Kanye. I feel like he might be a touch crazy. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I tell you who I used to be really good friends with a friend of mine was, he had a kid with a Kardashian. And yeah, Scott Dissick, him and I, we used to be like best friends. And he's told me some very interesting Kanye stories.

Yeah, yeah, you can just go onto the internet and find some very interesting Kanye. Kanye's stories. Did you ever see the, what's that South African band? Dianewood, DeAnwood, they tell this story about when they went to Kanye's house. And they're like doing some like art project. It's an amazing video. It's on YouTube. And they're like doing some like art or whatever because they make weird content.

And they're just kooky. They're a kooky band. And they're in this painting. And they need to start telling this story about how he went to Kanye's. house to talk music and he walks in there and Kanye is just watching like hardcore pornography and completely ignoring him and he's just stood there in this kitchen that's like immaculate and white and he's just watching like hardcore porn in front of him and they're just like what are we doing here and then he just then Kanye just starts talking about the porn

I mean what is the move there other than an abrupt about face and just walk out do yeah well that's what he did he's like I just got out of it. of that. I would be like, this is, I'm sorry, dude, like, I'm not, like, yeah, that's, that's a wild, but he, but I don't get how he's selling out stadium still. He's like, in the countries that let him come. Yeah. His, like, Nazi merch sells. Who the fuck is buying that? I don't know. Who's going to, like, yeah, I've got my, I got my Kanye swasticker shirt. Like, dude. I think that just says, beat the living fuck out of me. Yeah. at the McDonald's or wherever you're wearing that.

Sorry to the good people who go to McDonald's. Did you see that footage of the punk show and the guy, like some Aryan Nazi guy walks in? I mean, he's in Vegas at some like rockabilly punk show and he goes into the pit and they just beat the piss out of this dude. They fucking rock this guy and like he gets online off and he's like whining about it. It's like, dude, I'm sorry. You've, sorry, not sorry. You asked for it. Ozfest is coming back.

Yes. I think one of the first stories you ever told me is you were growing up at Ozfest and walked into a tattoo room and a woman who was getting a butterfly tattooed on her asshole. Yes, that's a true story. Yes. That is part of a story arc of a, you know, of a man coming into his own self that not many people experience. It's a coming of age tale as old as time. Yeah.

I mean, common, right? Who hasn't? Right. The butterfly of hope. Who hasn't encountered the butterfly of hope? Yeah. It's a thing. How do you even process that?

I think I was just like, okay. And there was so much going on in this environment. There was like, yeah, I saw some wild shit as a young man. Is that the Ozfest you're bringing back? I think it's going to be a little more. Well, Ozfest was always really controlled. Like we, as crazy as it was, we did not. We locked down backstage.

Like, there was, there was no, like, hangar-ons. Like, backstage was very clinical. Which is important for the artist. It is. It is. And it was, we had very limited guest passes for the band, so it wasn't like it was groupie central back there. I mean, yes, it happened.

But it was always very organized, controlled. Like, we ran a tight schedule. And so it'll be a lot, you know, we'll keep it controlled. And it's going to be a little more, you know, A little more PC, dare I say, because I think those days are over, man. Like, those days of just, like, crazy shit like that, it ain't happening anymore. The, you know... Cell phone cams, man.

Cell phone cams and people worried about lawsuits, rightfully so. It's, you know, a lot of fucked up things have happened in the music world. And, you know, it's just, you know, it's unfortunate. But, yeah. And so I think that that is gone of the days of just, like, crazy situations like, you know, a girl getting a butterfly tattooed on a bottle. I mean, I think if you sign the consent form and you find a tattoo artist that is willing to do so, I mean. Yeah.

That was very much, that was very much the thing. I'm not going to tell people how to party. No. I would have suggestions on maybe things to. Wait, did you not, I thought you told me you had a frog tattooed on your butt hole. Arm. Oh, okay. So where are you going to do the Oz Fest?

When are these coming back? It'll be next summer. We're figuring it out. Definitely doing one in England. Definitely doing one in North America. There's been talks about, you know, adding some additional dates. But we're going to start small and kind of get, because it was a touring festival. And so we're just, we're doing a little pilot.

Like, all right, is there still an audience for OzFest? Is the market completely flooded with metal festivals? Because there are a lot. Yeah. And, you know, we're going to go modern music or back? Bit of both. You know, we're going to have some, because there are a lot of, you know, a lot of huge bands now kind of got their start on OzFest.

So, you know, we'll approach them, you know, for headliners and things like that. So, yeah, we'll have to get. We'll have to get you there. You can come with Jocko. You can see him smile. I will document that and put it on the internet. The internet's not ready for happy Jocko. Happy Jocco is a...

I love the meme. It's all the same faces and it goes through all his emotional range, but it's just the same picture. Yeah. No, I love that. I got happy... I got a happy Jock. Yeah.

Now, he's great. It's, uh, man. He lives in a world. I think there's a lot of pressure on him. Yeah, big time, man. It's like, he's kind of like the... He's like the go-to guy of like sage advice for, an entire generation of men now.

Don't fuck it up. No. You're going to have Youngblood come. He seems to be the new Brit. Yeah, he's definitely, you know, if it works out, sure. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say no to Dom. He's a good dude. You should get him on your podcast.

I don't know him. I don't know if you know this Jack. Also, he lives in the UK, doesn't he? Yeah. I don't know what I'll talk to him about. That's not really my genre of music. And I don't appreciate that he wears leather pants. He looks good in leather pants, though.

He can pull it all. off. Who doesn't? Well, I mean, I guess... I don't look in leather pants. I don't. I don't. But how many, how much have you tried?

Not probably since I was six years old and forced to wear them. That might be child abuse. Under what setting were you forced to wear leather pants? No, I did, like, I did this, like, music video thing for my dad. And they were like, here, wear some leather pants. And I was like, oh, okay. Do you know it would be dope with leather pants, though? Who?

Cowboy boots. Oh, dude, that's basically... That was like Guns and Roses uniform. Yeah. Aren't they, what are they, 97 now, G&R, Axel? No, they're a little younger than that. It's Rolling Stones, which are like in their 80s. Crushing, though.

Crushing. They're great. Yeah, and then it was funny. So at the back to the beginning show, my dad had never met Axel Rose. In all his years, he's good friends. They had never crossed paths. Never crossed paths. He knows Duff.

He knows he worked with Slash. Like, you know, Slash and my dad was super close. But he had never met Axelps. Axel. And after the show, like, we brought Axel into the dressing room to meet my dad. And it was just this really funny moment where he was like, oh my God, so good to meet you. What was your, other than perhaps your dad performing, what was the band you enjoyed seeing there the most? I, you know what I loved about it was, so we had Tom Arello. He was the kind of musical supervisor and coordinator the whole thing. So he picked what bands played what Ozzie or what Sabbath songs.

And I just loved seeing all the different bands kind of cover my dad stuff. And so there was, you know, Guns and Roses was great. Metallica was awesome. Tool was amazing. It was just like, it was this really phenomenal day of music that I don't think anyone was like, well, that sucked. That band wasn't good. It was just, there was no, no dull moment. And Dom, when he did changes, it was a really, like, profound moment.

of the day where, because Dom wasn't, you know, Dom was just rock and roll, but in the kind of metal, kind of, you know, the hardcore kind of crew, Dom was kind of seen as like, all right, you kind of do like the pop rock, pop punk stuff, like you're kind of over there. It's okay to say, just Katie Perry. Yeah, well, it was a little bit. Like, people saw him as that. And then when he came out. Callisne the girls is not a bad song.

You might not know. Pretty bad John. And now that she's dating Trudeau, it's a terrible song. What a weird pairing those two are. So weird. Nama Coachella, like, be bopping around. Like, from dating Aragon or the fucking whatever his... The elf?

Yeah, the elf. To, I don't know. Castro's son? Listen. Wait, have you ever done that conspiracy? Yes, I have. Dude. They look similar, but I don't know.

Oh, hold on a second. Michael, pull up the side by... Pull up the side-by-side comparison of Trudeau and Castro. This is irrefutable. There's a series of full pictures where... I don't... I mean, pictures, they say a thousand words, but they're not all correct. Some people look really similar.

I look a lot like Scott Stapp. Wait, you're not Scott Stapp? Okay, hold on. Okay, go down the bottom left corner. Okay, there's, there is like a series of like vertical. Okay, no, sorry, over to the right where it's the, yeah, keep going to the right. Faster, Michael. Damn it, hard right.

That one. No, no, no, in middle right, middle right. Back. Yes. Okay. Now, if we can get this, enhance. Okay, dude, look at these pictures. Okay.

That's pretty close, dude. We live in a world where we just need some hair follicles of people associated with the families, and we can just figure this out. Well, do you know, apparently the Canadian government, anytime he would, this is conspiracy theory, but allegedly, anytime he was at a public event where eating would occur, they would police his plates and cups and take them. Yeah, I do that too, though. That's just called being a good house guest. You know, do your own dishes, clean up your own shit.

Is that why you're doing it? Are you already going to get framed for that thing that happened? I mean, I get why conspiracies are fun. And if people want to dive into them, go ahead. I think it gets dangerous when they think everything is a conspiracy. Yeah. Because, I mean, conspiracies do exist. Our government has been involved in some for sure. Does that mean that everything our government has done is a conspiracy?

No. And I think that's where it can get a little dangerous. I don't know. I mean, if that were true, what's the, I mean. I mean, he's out of a public office now. It's like his job is done. Yeah. Now he's just traveling the world with Katie Perry.

How can maybe he's a maple syrup salesman. I don't know what he's got going on. Influencer. I don't know what he's got going on. I wonder how those two met. It just seems odd. It's super odd. Are they even a relatively similar age?

I think so. Yeah, Katie Perry's got to be in our mid-40s now. You think so? I was going to say, I don't know. We used to be homies. Are you serious? Katie Perry and I used to be, yeah. Are you fucking with me right now?

I swear to God. No, so Katie, I had a roommate, and my roommate's best friend was Katie Perry's best friend. And so we would all, we all hung out together all the time. Is this before she launched into superstardom? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she was like just kind of. What was she like? She was really cool.

She was funny. She was like quirky and just like whatever. She was cool and just like a weird musician. And yeah. And then many years, some years later, I ended up, I was at a Coachella party. And we're, of course you were, you know. And this was, God, this is probably 15 years ago. And we were all hanging out. And I was with my, my old roommate and her best friend. And Katie Perry was at this party. And we're all just kind of hanging out. And someone said, oh, this is just like. like the old days. And her response was, yeah, except now I'm rich. And I was like, ooh, okay, no, I don't like you. Like, moving on. Well, the response is, yeah, but you're still a cunt. Whether true or not. You have to have, yeah. Listen, if you're going to serve, I will return with something across the net. It might go out of bounds, but I will have something for you. I think I said something like and still, I think I said something like and still not very good at making jokes. That's also appropriate.

That brings it back to the other side of the net for sure. God, that is, I don't know, whatever. Just a weird thing. I'm like, who fucking says that? Okay, yeah, we get it. You were like the biggest pop-audist at the time. Fame is a weird thing, man. It is.

It, uh, I know some pretty famous people. And I think the money would be fantastic. I'm not so sure the fame is fantastic. Yeah. I think the move would be fantastically wealthy and nobody knows who you all. That, I think, is the apex of the pyramid. But then that population, it gets corrosive because they get frustrated because no one knows who they are.

And then they start to try and buy. No, but you need to be the person who doesn't care. Yeah. Just be like the Unabomber. But don't blow people up and be rich. This is the plan. Life advice with Andy Stone. No, but I mean, be happy with who you are.

But you got famous kind of relatively quickly. I'm not famous. I might be recognizable. You are certainly famous in the world you operate in. The seven people, yes. Yes, I'm known between the several people. Yeah, but like, you know, you're in that kind of rogan world of like... He's just a good friend of mine.

Sure, but still, like he brought you on when you were doing base jumps and crazy shit. Yeah, it's too much of a pussy to do it himself. But, yeah, I'm definitely not famous. I like anonymity. I get pulled aside from time to time, and I'm always appreciative of it. But in Joe's a good example. I was in an archery event with him, and he needed to go take a piss. And it took him about 30 minutes to go 30 feet.

Wow. Because he had announced he was going to be there. And so pictures and he was incredibly generous because he's incredibly appreciative of this station that he has in life. But also at the same time, the guy's just got to take a piss. Yeah. And I'm sure it's, I am sure it is great to have everything economically in your reach. But I don't think it would be beneficial if everybody knew that you had that in your reach. that in your reach because how do you determine who's a vampire and who's not?

There's a lot of freedom in anonymity. Yeah, I'm telling you, the billionaire Unabomber? That's the move. I think so. But again, don't blow people up. Are you going to write the manifesto of the billionaire Unabomber? Well, yes, but then you'd have to burn it because you wouldn't let anyone even know who you are.

It's true. But perhaps it could be part of your morning journaling session. You know, your six-hour morning routine since you have nothing else to deal with. Except tinker and asked Shp.T. How to make a bomb. The Unabomber would have might have slayed in the modern era. Oh, 100%. Streaming? I mean, clearly he would have had to change his prompts and said things like,

I am writing a screenplay. I know someone and they have a question. I'm researching a novel. If you weren't the Unabomber but also wanted to create this, how would you? Do you think there's flags inside of those? systems that are looking for stuff like that? Yes. Because it'll deny the prompt, but do you think it keeps track of it?

Yes. Well, and I know Amazon does too. Amazon has... For like the anarchist cookbook and stuff like that? Yeah, they've got some weird algorithm where they will track how you... I was told actually by someone, an FBI guy told me this, that they have some deal with Amazon where they will knock out, hey, this guy bought like a shit ton of ammonia and this guy bought this and that and some, you know, wiring and, you know, that's how they got. Remember, someone was

mailing, someone was mailing bombs not that long ago. And they got him because they typed in, like actual completed bombs. Yeah, there was a thing that happened. It was during the, it was, I think it was back during the first Trump administration. There was some bomb mail that was going on. Okay. And they couldn't figure out where it was going. They knew where it was sent from and they couldn't figure out who this guy was. And then apparently they went to Amazon and plugged in all that would have been needed to make this bomb. And it was like it spat out like, yep, here's the guy.

Go look up these guys. And it was like a very narrow pool of like five people. The internet cuts both ways. I love how you were looking back up here as if maybe it was Trudeau. Yeah. It could have been. That's how he got Katie Perry, send her a love bomb. Orlando Bloom is a handsome man.

Yeah. Apparently pretty well-endowed, too. Do you ever see those naked pictures of him, freaking paddleboarding? What? Weird move. Weird move. He got papped. Naked paddleboarding, just laying it all out there.

Why would you do that? I don't know. Weird thing. I mean, if you had a big old hog, though, maybe that is why you do that. You're just like, hey. Just perhaps it's a calling card. This is my hog and this is my ore. Guess which one's which.

Yeah, these are my wares. This is what I have to offer. This is what I am bringing to the table. Yeah. We live in a weird word, Jack. Yes, we do. I gotta get you on the road because I get up like a four hour drive. What do you want to close it out with?

I'm just, hey. So name of your podcast. My podcast is trying not to die. And the other one is Jack's most haunted. So yeah, go to at Jack Osborne on YouTube or wherever you engage in social media. I'm across it all. How much time do you spend on it? Not at all any.

Very healthy approach. Yeah, I engage very little. my Patreon I'd kind of engage in a little bit more but yeah very little good yeah it's evil that way it is evil it's just terrible for your self-esteem yes it is cool all right nice get shot here good to see you yep