Club Random with Bill Maher - Ana Kasparian | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Ana Kasparian joins Bill Maher for a wild Club Random ride that swerves from Armenian moms with rolling pins and post-coital crossword puzzles to explosive debates on Israel-Gaza, trans rights, and California chaos. They spar thoughtfully on the AI job apocalypse and crime reforms gone wrong, Ana gets personal about her pandemic marriage, leaving the progressive bubble, and why she chose empathy over endless political rage. They clash hard on Israel-Gaza but never shut each other down– proving you can disagree fiercely and still respect the hell out of each other. Smart, funny, unfiltered, and surprisingly vulnerable. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our Advertisers: Make hiring a little merrier! Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://www.ziprecruiter.com/random  Head to https://www.squarespace.com/CLUBRANDOM to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code CLUBRANDOM.  Try Claude for free at https://www.claude.ai/clubrandom Smoke-free satisfaction at https://www.zyn.com  Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I don't know where... I don't know where on TikTok, you're getting this information. No, it's not TikTok. I'm very well read on this. Anada's here. Hello. But I have everything I need. Hi.

Hi. It's nice to meet you. Oh, you are, a dress. Good for you. I dress up, too. You look good. I do. Thank you.

I appreciate it. I'm not going to start a big fight about it. Well, as I always say, Well, people say that there should be a Chiron for your age. That's what I really mean. You know, if I was 35 and I walked in and be like, oh, my God, be you in a fire? You actually look younger in person, to be honest. Thank you.

I think it's the setting. This room is very magical to me, and I feel, obviously, it's a very immature room. I like it. Yeah, I'm glad you do. Yeah. Do you have a room like this in your house? I don't. Something that's, like, weird and just.

where you put everything that didn't fit anywhere else? I mean, no. I'm actually pretty meticulous about how I design my place. It's very feminine, though, so you've got to give my husband a lot of credit for handling it well. I have pictures of my house, which is next door. I wouldn't come here.

I mean, I wouldn't live here. I'd come here, but I wouldn't live here. And it was owned by a woman before, and, oh, my God, the difference. It just speaks to, you know, men are from Mars, women are from being a member of that book. Very much so, yeah. And that is true and also not true. I think we accent that so much that we forget that, no, like, a lot of stuff.

I certainly know that when I was younger, I would have done better with women if I wasn't just so, oh, my God, they're girls. And girls are sexy and great. And if I just was like, no, like, this is a human. Like, there's a commonality that you're so obsessed with the excitement that you miss. The big issue is men and women just communicate so differently, right? Like, it's pretty inherent. So we want a vent. Women want a vent.

We don't want to hear your solutions to our problems, right? Event. Oh, vent? Yeah. So when we're, like, being vulnerable and opening up about something we're going through, the last thing we want to hear is unsolicited advice. We just want you to listen. But men are different.

Men want to... Right, and that is one reason I've never gotten married. I could not do that. Yeah. I feel these. And by the way, not every woman feels that way. Like, if you really put it to a woman and say, if I just fix this, would you be good with that?

Because, like, certainly I couldn't when I was younger, but as I got older and more successful, it's like I've learned one important lesson in life. If you throw money at a problem, it usually goes away. I mean, that's pretty true. Usually. Usually, yeah. Not emotional stuff, but like a lot of other stuff.

Money does solve a lot of issues, that's for sure. If I just threw money at this problem, made it go away. Would that be okay if I'd just fix this? If you front-load the I'll pay for it, don't worry about it anymore? Well, but not just that. I mean, not just paying, but also, you know, manly stuff. Like, I mean, the, of the thing you're talking about, I feel like the classic cliche is bitching about the boss.

And I feel like if I could say to a woman, listen, you bitch about this every night. I'm just going to hire someone to kill him. Ooh, I like that. Exactly. I'm just going to fix this. And then I don't have to listen to you talk about it. Yeah.

And I'm going to fix it. It can be done. I mean, I know good people. We're liable people. People are not going to get carried away. And just handle it. Yeah. But what about you?

Do you ever feel like you just want to, like, rage about something to someone? You don't want any solutions. You don't want any advice. Yes, I call that my audience. That's true. That's true. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I mean, I don't, I don't want. want to rage. I feel like I'm the anti-rager, even though I am very critical, obviously, of both sides and love my job and doing that. But rage, I'm trying to get the rage down and the mental part down. And, you know, I mean, it's Thanksgiving. Yeah. You know, my message last week on our last show this season and every Thanksgiving, really, for the last five years has been, And I'm in the talk to them wing of the Democratic Party. I'm not in the cut your people off. Right.

Don't cut them off. And, you know, I have friends who, you know, are not on that side of it and didn't like what I said. And had they cut you off? Well, that's such an interesting issue. One relationship is that's in the balance. I mean, you know, it was. And that's not a real friend. Like, well.

I mean, we weren't close. I mean, I'm talking like, it was Jimmy Kimball. I mean, I said it publicly, and I liked Jimmy a lot. And his wife wrote that thing that said, you know, she did lose family members. She wrote them before the election and said, here's ten reasons why you just can't vote for Trump. And then some of them, you know, just didn't follow that. And I was as kid gloves as I could. And I see they're mad at me.

And I'm sorry, I mean, I was being, again, as respectful as I could, but I don't agree with that point of view. And since she went public with it, it wasn't out of school for me to go public with it. I love Jimmy. I always have. I don't know him that well, but he's a great guy. And we have a connection, like we were both fired by ABC. And he took my, I had that time slot. So, like, it's so interesting.

the same ABC, I mean, Disney executive, Candace, both. Interesting, the connections. And so I hope we're friends forever, but I don't know. You know, the liberals and the woke, that's a schism. It just is. Yeah, I mean, I would say that the time of my life where I was the most miserable was probably 2015 through 2019. Before the pandemic. It was before the pandemic.

I mean, the pandemic was... That's better for you. Things got better. I mean, look, actually, I hate to admit it, but things did get better for me during the pandemic. I was like, oh, I get to work from home. Like, I'm exhausted. I'm burnt out. And it didn't put pressure on the marriage because lots of people...

No, no, no. Lots of people said that. People broke up because it's like, oh, I got to look at your ass all day. I didn't bargain for that. That wasn't at all an issue with us. It did kind of start to be... So my husband was a bartender when the pandemic hit. And so he obviously got laid off right away, which I was, you know, understanding about.

I think what started to kind of get in between us, although not to the point where it became a problem, was where I felt like I was working all the time, even though I was working from home. And he was a bartender. So, like, he doesn't really have any other options other than making a career change. Of course. So finally got to a point where I was like, you need to make a career change. And I'm glad I did that, even though it was difficult for me to do because, like, being the nagging wife is not my thing. Right. But he was understanding about it.

And he then pursued what I think he was always meant to do, which is he's the head baseball coach at a school. And he was a professional baseball player prior to that. When his baseball career ended, that was when he came out to L.A. and started kind of, like, working at restaurants and stuff to figure out what do you. I want to do next. And then he got comfortable. I think that happens to a lot of people. So COVID was like a bit of a crisis that we took as an opportunity to move forward in life in certain ways, if that makes any sense. This sounds like the kind of thing. I never got married, but I've never been a person. I think people have this misconception that I'm anti-marriage.

I'm only anti-marriage for me. I get it because I see so many my friends who are married. And, of course, most marriages do fall apart in some way. But I also have known plenty of people have had great ones and would be really lost without their spouse. And, like, some people, they're just their nature is to be in a partnership. True. You know, it's a two men, it's a seesaw thing. That's not me.

Yeah. I'm a lone wolf. Always have been. If you know yourself and that's what you like, then go for it. I mean, life is so short. I'm very social, but ultimately I'm a lone wolf. And that, but this sounds to me like what a man. It should be like he, not nagging, but when you need that person to, you know, you're on this

teeter-totter together to get things even and balanced, they're there to do that. Totally. And that's great. I mean, if you're of that person out, I think most people are. Most people are always looking for, you know, complete me and some of that is cliche, but some of it is kind of true with, I've seen people who, like, were incomplete. Definitely. I didn't realize I was incomplete until I met him. And there are qualities of his that I think I've adapted for the better. So for instance, he's just such a kind-hearted person who sees the good in everyone. And so when I talk about the period of my life when I was the most miserable, I wasn't able to see the good in everyone, right? And so I was very much in the mindset of, Who you vote for demonstrates what your values are.

And if I have determined that the person you voted for is a bad actor or immoral, that means you're bad and you're immoral. And it is a terrible place to be where you think half the country is awful. That is exactly what my theme was Friday. And, you know, so I was disappointed that, you know, I said about the thing, again, trying to be respectful, She had said I sent my relatives a letter with 10 reasons you should not vote for Trump. And I, first of all, said, 10, I could think of 100. That's true. But, like, to me, a better exercise.

And is there someone who votes Democratic? A better exercise would be write a letter to yourself, 10 reasons why you might imagine those 77 million Americans could not vote. But I want to get back to this husband thing. Okay, okay. All right. I love talking about my husband. No, because I'm very interested in this, in this, it's just endlessly fascinating to me, like how different people do it, you know, and how they make it work. When we do it real well, I'll tell you that. Well, please, this is a family show. Oh, no, it's not. It's Clubbrenna. What the fuck

am I talking about? I'm drinking and taking drugs and swearing. It's not a kid show at all. And kids, by the way, it would not be the worst message, kids, if you're going to gonna fuck do it well do it well do it well remember the song give it your all doing it doing it doing it well you do remember that of course i do yeah that is the single best sex song ever it is pretty sexy yes it's actually man they don't make music like that anymore they don't make that one anymore they certainly don't yep and it always like it was so sexy and then when he got to the part when he says uh i was raised out in queen she was from brooklyn or was made the other way I was like, what does that happen?

It's so sexy, and then we have to talk about what borough we're from. It just always cracked me up. I know. Yeah, it's like the beat of that song. Yeah, the woman who's like singing in a sultry way and moaning at the same time. So sexy. Oh, and the lyrics. I mean, they're dirty without being like, he's got some that are like, trust me,

would not win the now man of the year on. No, definitely not. Definitely not. But this one doesn't tip over into that. Right. But see, your dynamic sounds to me like Lifeguard. Oh, tell me more. What do you mean?

Lifeguard the movie? I didn't see that. Of course you didn't. It was from 1976, and I saw it when I was 20. Why you would have seen it? There's no reason. But there's a movie, and I did like it when I was 20. Sam Elliott, do you know who that is, the actor?

No. No, Sam Elliott? I'm not great with movies and pop culture, which is hilarious because I started my career as an entertainment reporter. You would recognize him. He's now on Landman. He plays Billy Baum Thornton's dad. He looks like he's a million years old. But in 1976, he was young and hot, and he played lifeguard.

And the lifeguard was this guy, he's a lifeguard. But now he's 33. And he goes to his 15-year high school reunion, and he meets up with Anne Archer, Scientologist, we'll leave that out of it, haughty of her day. And, you know, kind of reconnects, but she doesn't want him to be a lifeguard, which is kind of like bartender, you know.

But he's good at it. And he saved lives. He was good at bar. He made a mean, mean, he made a mean martini, I will say that. And sometimes you do kind of save lives. I mean, you do talk to people. And, I mean, it's a great job.

But she wants them to, like, grow up. Because, you know, if we're going to be together, so he's got to decide, well, the chick wants me to be a Porsche dealer, put on a tie and, like, be with the man. But I like being out in the sun and just, and so all I could say is he went back to the lifeguarding thing, but you could be the Porsche dealer, and that's fine, too. Yeah, I mean, look, for me, like, what I get out of my marriage is,

it's emotional, right? It's more than just, oh, what does he do for a living? And you got to get along with the person. You have to look forward to seeing them at the end of the day, right? And he's my best, at the end of the day, he's my best friend, you know? And when I'm at my lowest, he's the only person that can kind of like lift me back up, you know? He just gets me. And more importantly, I need a guy who, A, is not, I don't know, sensitive to the idea that

his wife is successful in her career right like there are a lot of very successful now i'm i'm okay i'm doing well are you doing very well thank you thank you you're at club random that's true no you're everybody everybody wants you you know you're a podcast star thank you that's a good thing to be in this day and age i mean i'm in podcasting but also obviously television and right is there even going to be television in three years i mean i mean not in the way that we traditionally think of it right and i think that's a good thing. I think it's a, right? Well, I mean, I know. It did buy this house. I mean, I don't know

about it's a good thing. You made a smart move. I mean, I think you saw the writing on the wall and it's better to have, you know. Look, we're both, what they call content. Let them, let the other people figure out where the content goes. He's not my job.

The content, I mean, where it goes, I'm the content. The other people will figure it out. There'll be a market for the content. That I know. So you can put it on streaming. You can put it in your pants. You could put it in the theater. Whatever you're going to do, you could directly into their brain. AI could just tell you what I'm thinking. I don't know what the fuck it is going to be. But I don't think AI can do exactly what we do. I don't either. I mean, I am worried about AI when it comes to large swaths

of the American population because their jobs will be replaced with AI. It seems like we're sailing toward this iceberg. Totally. And everyone is sort of pretending that's not what's going to happen, even though there are people in the industry itself, we're saying, no, this is, this is, you know, it can do 30 to 40% of the coding jobs right now. So like, I mean, already so many coders are losing their jobs in Silicon Valley, which is like the most ironic thing in the world. So ironic. Right? Like the first to go are the workers who helped kind of foster this new technology. And also the kind of pretenders of the left who are like

care about the people, the marginalized people, as we should. But then it was like, but, you know, I can say that because like my jobs are safe. You know, it's not going to come from my job. I'm like, I went to college. Okay, I have a degree. And, you know, I mean. Yep, yep. That's such a great point.

Oh, shit. It's my job too. Right, right. I mean, that's known as the professional managerial class, right? And so, yeah. Yeah. And so they have, you know, thought that they've been safe. But meanwhile, in the background, you have new technology being developed that's going to make their positions totally antiquated, irrelevant, unnecessary. Which, you know, middle management, I don't know, my heart doesn't necessarily break for them, but my heart does break for the country, right, overall. Because I think if we don't find solutions to this. Middle management is not. Yeah, I don't think people are shedding tears for middle management. No offense to the middle management managers I did with.

But that term does not pull on the heartstrings like Ukrainian orphan or, you know. Right, right. Yeah, you're right. Or, you know, truck driver. Like, I worry about the drivers. Like, they're going to be out of a job soon. So what's the plan? And that's the thing that worries me because I look at the political landscape.

And I think you and I, the one area where I think we have a lot. lot of agreement is where we are willing to be critical of the Democratic party. I'm obviously also critical of the Republican Party. Neither party seems competent for the moment that we're in. No. And that's terrifying. I agree. Yeah. It's absolutely terrifying. Right. It's, it reminds me of the, I'm sure you watch the World Series every inning. Definitely. But there was one 18 inning game, which was very long. That was the Dodgers. Yes, the Dodgers and the Blue Jays. Right.

And that's twice as long. It's nine extra innings, a whole other game. And it's like nobody scored in those extra innings. It was like, wow, this is there for the taking for one of you teams to win this game, which was tipped the series to you, and nobody could do it. And I was like, that is exactly what the Republicans and the Democrat. I mean, the Republicans, when they came into office, they so had the wind at their back. all they had to do was not get drunk with power

and fuck it up and of course that's exactly and I don't think his instincts about fixing this and this and this are wrong always there is lots of shit that needs fixing and some he's fixed great in my view like did better in the Middle East than anybody had done got NATO to pay for shit colleges out of control yes

but of course almost everything the way he does it It's just a disaster. I agree with you on NATO. It's cruel. Yeah, yeah. And it's unnecessary, doge, you know, it's like just unnecessarily assholeish to a problem that if you had just, you know, handled it in a, just a more humane, human, far-sighted way, you'd have the people behind you. And now he's starting to lose them. Oh, starting to.

Because of the economy. Yes. And they, even with immigration, even though they agreed with them, they don't like the... They don't like watching day laborers at Home Depot parking lots get snatched up by masked men, right? Like, they don't like seeing, you know, parents get snatched up by ICE agents as they're dropping their kids off to school. Like, I just... Look, I think Biden really did mess up when it comes to immigration, 100%. So I actually really sympathize with.

with people who were furious over what happened with immigration under the Biden administration. At the same time, I don't think most Americans who think of themselves as hardliners on immigration realize just how integrated undocumented immigrants are in our society, right? And I'm talking about people who have been here for literally decades who do pay taxes,

but don't get the benefits that come along with the various public programs that they're funding through their taxes. And there needs to be a better solution than swinging from one extreme to another on this topic. And the thing that I am the most furious about, honestly, is Congress.

Congress is the most useless branch of our government at the moment. I'm not saying it's unnecessary. I think it's an important part of our government. But over the last few decades, we both know Congress has ceded much their power to the executive branch as it pertains to foreign policy. Big mistake. That's been going on for 70 years.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Congress is supposed to be the most important branch of government. I mean, that's what the Constitution says. They're the ones who are supposed to write the bills and pass the bills. Power of the purse, power of declaring war. The president is just the guy who is supposed to carry it out. He executes it. He's the top executive.

But he's like, you know, you hire a CEO to run your company. But he's not the dude. He's carrying out what the guy who owns Starbucks, his vision. Right. Okay. That is, as you say, completely lost. And the only, I mean, I did a piece a few weeks ago, but the Supreme Court being the last line of defense here,

we're going to see what they're going to say about tariffs, like whatever you think about tariffs. They have to strike it down. It's a congressional thing. Yes. And so, like, these kind of basic things, and I'm not completely pessimistic about how the court is going to rule. The Supreme Court does have the ability to surprise you. Yeah, definitely.

And sometimes they take a hip pill and get it right. Not always, and they have certainly gotten a lot more conservative over the years. But I'm not going to like, well, with all Trump stuff, I said this time, I'm not going to do it like the first term. Like, when it happens, maybe I'll get upset if it's the thing that is worth getting upset about and talking about and critiquing and never pull a punch on that. But, you know, I don't give a shit about the ballroom. And if you do, it's just an indication that Trump is much too part of your personality. It doesn't matter. First of all, it doesn't cost you anything.

That's the number one thing, and that's the most important thing. Even if it did, it's around, it's like two seconds of the interest we pay every day. But can we talk about like the feminine qualities of our president for a minute? Okay, like. Everything is so gay. Yes. I mean the, uh, no offense, but yes. Ballrooms and gold, gold everything.

Oh, the mill work on the walls and everything. He's so proud of it. It's a very butch administration. And Hengseth with the, you know, we want no gays. We just want well-shaved, strapping young men in perfect. Same, same. The whole thing is. It's amazing.

It really is. It's very gay. Hey, what's up, Flies? This is David Spade. Dana Carvey. Look, I know we never actually left, but I'll just say it. We are back with another. season of Fly on the Wall. Every episode, including ones with guests, will now be on video.

Every Thursday, you'll hear us. N.C. is chatting with big-name celebrities. And every Monday you're stuck with just me and Dana. We react to news, what's trending, viral clips. Follow and listen to Fly on the Wall everywhere you get your podcast. Love the Night. Reach for Zin After Dark. A limited cocktail-inspired series for those who get up when the sun goes down. Try Zin's mojito, spiced cider, and espresso martini nicotine pouches. Find them at select retailers, available while supplies last. Zin after dark. Bring on the night. Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. But you know, so you have this going on on the federal level, which is bad enough. But as you and I both know is

Californians, we get a double whammy of experiencing the incompetence of leadership in our state. And so I feel like I find myself in this really interesting position of experiencing what corrupt democratic leadership looks like and how disastrous it is. And then on a federal level, I'm not, you know, loving a lot of what's been happening recently with the Trump administration no and um i just how i understand americans who have just completely written off politics they don't vote they don't engage i think that's a mistake but i understand where that's coming from i guys i feel the same i just don't know how to fix it i don't know if it's no fixable it's not as long as there's like smartphones but uh because that just is making us

ever stupider and yeah i mean people don't know anything anyway so i mean i mean people don't know anything anyway so I mean, they've completely lost the thread with education. But can I tell you, you're talking about California? Yep. I mean, you're from here, right? Yes, born and raised. Okay. So here's a fire story.

Like, in January, when the fire hit, Matt Gates was a scheduled guest. I think it was January 7th. And he drove through the fire to get here to keep the booking. I mean, I've had people cancel bookings for nothing. And then we chatted here right. Right up until the evacuation order came. No way.

Yeah. Good for him. That's actually really impressive. No, but seriously. Well, as my catch line is always, everybody's a monster till you talk to them. Yeah. And then there are certain things you're obviously

going to still disagree about. Right. I mean, Laura Trump was here, like last show we did. And, you know, as all these shows with the Republicans, I mean, they take their beating like a man. They never ever, like, get upset when we go back. And, I mean, there must have been six to eight thing, major things that, you know, I just push back on, you know. And two minutes later, we're laughing.

And there's a way to do it where you just cannot expect, you just can't have that attitude of you must come around to my way of thinking or you're dead to me, unfriend you, cut you off, no Thanksgiving for you. it just doesn't work even if it was the right thing to do which it is not right because you are not God and you don't know what the answer is and again imagine 10 reasons why they think differently people are different they grow up in different parts of the country they have a different thing that was put in their head as a child different personalities a lot of politics is your personality people are sometimes just born square you're a square what party you're going to be You're going to be in the square party. You know?

Yeah. And it's just to hate them for that is just, it's cuckoo. I mean, I hate, I don't, there's very few people that I hate. I think I can maybe name one. But for me, it's about a person's actions and whether or not they are wittingly hurting others and totally okay with it. You know what I'm saying? That's a good standard. Yeah.

And I love political debate. I really do. And I forget oftentimes when I'm engaged in a passionate, you know, political debate that not everyone thinks the way I do because I'm able to get as fiery as we need to as we're, you know, arguing. But once the debate's over, it's over, right? We just had a policy debate. Like, it doesn't, just because we have different points of view doesn't mean that I'm going to write you off and I'm done with you. I've had fiery debates on the show I host and executive produced, The Young Turks, you know, with my, with the CEO of the company and founder, Jank Yugar, we don't agree on everything, but we have this ability to sometimes get into shouting matches. And then once we're done with the shouting match, we're done. It's past us, you know? And that's good practice for marriage.

Actually, yeah, it is. It is. It is, totally. Because at the end of the day, you're talking to a human being. You're fighting and arguing with a human being. And to, like, distill them as one political viewpoint and nothing more, I think is unfair to them. And people change, by the way. I've changed, right? And going through that evolution has made me far more empathetic to people overall. Change is good. Change is excellent. You know, I mean, there's nothing stupider in politics and people who say, well, he's changed his position.

Yeah, he was 18. He grew, you know, he got new information. came along. Flip-flop, flip-flop. You know, if it's generated by logic, flip-flop is good. It means you grew, you learned something new. Totally. You went with the facts. You weren't stuck in, no, I believed it when I was 12 and I believe it now. Girls have cooties. That's my position. It's ridiculous. I mean, also, it's okay to change your mind if you won the policies you want have been implemented, and it turns out the policies suck, and you don't like them, right? I mean, it's okay to admit, oh, this didn't work out, let's recalibrate.

And that was my big issue with Democrats and California in particular, where it's like, oh, we have done some of these criminal justice reforms, and they've been kind of disastrous. Oh, so much. I mean, if I just, I could list just the things. that the left has done that they think are helping that are countered to their own goals. They're literally getting people killed. That's how much your head is up your ass, you know, defunding the police, which, you know, like didn't help African Americans who usually want more police, not corrupt police.

It's even worse than that. But that's even worse than that. But they want more police. It's so racist to, they think they're being anti-racist and actually it's being very racist to assume that black people and saying, well, aren't they the criminals? We can't have a lot of cops around them. No, they're not.

So a really good friend of mine who does consulting for media would send me polls. And the polls were about, you know, black Americans and how they feel about policing and what they want. Do they want to defund policing? Do they want to keep the funding levels the same?

Do they want to increase policing? And I was shocked. Poll after poll indicated, no, they don't want to cut funding for policing. In fact, the problem they have with policing is that they don't feel that the police force in their community is doing enough to keep them safe in their communities,

which is very similar to what was happening in the 1990s. Like, if you go back and watch local news reports out of L.A., for instance, in the 1990s, one of the biggest complaints from, you know, people living in at the time it was South Central, now it's considered South L.A., one of the biggest complaints was, we don't see enough police keeping our community safe.

And so the data is the data. You can't manipulate hard facts. And for me, when I signed on to criminal justice reform, what I thought I was signing on to was we're going to reform our prisons. Our prison shouldn't be torturing people. Prison rape shouldn't just be accepted, right? I want this to be more than just punitive. I want to rehabilitate people.

I want to have a situation in which they pay the price for their crime, but they're also being rehabilitated so that when they get out, they're able to be productive members of society. We didn't actually do much of that in California. There's one prison that's been reformed, and it's actually showing really great results, and I hope that that spreads. But the idea of, oh, we're just not going to punish anyone for pretty much anything is not what I thought I was signing up for, but that's pretty much what we've gotten. And preemptively shutting down, you know, four to five state prisons without really having a plan in place from what happens to oftentimes, like, violent inmates, was a disastrous idea by Gavin Newsom, to be honest. I mean, the bizarre, just this bizarre obsession with putting women, putting, rather men, or at least people with penises. Oh, you're going to get me in trouble. You're going to get me in trouble, Bill. You get me in trouble. Why? There's no trouble for you. Your life is trouble. I'm supposed to be totally okay with it. There's no supposed to be. First of all...

Is it bad that I don't want to see a dick in the women's locker room? Is that bad? No. There's a... I just don't. I don't want to see a cock in the women's locker room. And you shouldn't? And no woman should? I mean, this is basic 101. And this is, again, to my point about, like, if I just list it and I could do... do it for a long time, the things that they do because they're so tripped up by their own

ultra-Orthia-Orthodox. That they think that that makes them a better person to be so counterintuitive about all these issues like this, that this makes them the good people, that they're way out ahead on this issue, and you're not, and it's not what people want, and it goes against human nature, and it's not helping. You didn't, yeah, you want to champion women, and you didn't. You did the opposite. I know, because there's the hierarchy.

You made them uncomfortable and unnecessarily in many ways. When you see everything as a hierarchy, literally everything's a hierarchy, well then inevitably you're going to find yourself in a situation where the rights of one group kind of falls by the wayside. Right. It's a zero-sum game. And I don't see it that way. I actually, I respect transgender people. I do not want to treat them like the others. I want them to have rights. I want them to be treated with dignity and respect.

At the same time, I also know what it's like to be a woman living in a state where we've decided self-ID makes the most sense. Okay, well, self-ID doesn't make the most sense. Because obviously, as you and I both know, there are all sorts of predators out there who are going to take advantage of that situation. And that's already happened. Right? So there was that big we spa story. And it turned out that the so-called transgender woman who was allowed into the women's locker room at a Korean spa in downtown L.A. was not actually a transgender person, was a person who had a long record of, you know, sexual exploitation and assault or whatever, pretended to be transgender, gets into the women's locker room. And I felt so bad because I bought the cover story. when it was first reported. But I was wrong to buy it. I should have asked more questions.

And that poor woman, she happened to be a black woman who was complaining at the front desk of We Spa, she was dragged through the mud when in reality she witnessed this person fondling themselves in the women's locker room. Now, this person is not transgender. This is not an indictment of transgender people. It's an indictment of a policy that was not thought through.

And as a result, there are women who are going to suffer. And as a result, there are transgender people who are going to suffer because people are going to make the mistake of thinking, oh, well, that guy was transgender, and this is how they behave. No, this is not how they behave. We need to be smarter about these policies. It's that simple. It's so good to hear you say that. Yeah. Really good. I did not expect that. Really? Well, in general, you're a lot more reasonable than I thought you would. The fire breathers, you know, are always trying to... I mean, if we start talking talking about Gaza, I think you're going to disagree with me probably. That's probably where we have the most disagreement. But in terms of the transgender issue. Maybe later. Maybe later. I mean, yes.

I will definitely carve you into little pieces on that one. I don't know about that, Bill. Okay. I don't know about that. But on this one, first of all, good for you for saying that I say it all the time. It's no shame to say, oh, I believe the cover story. Yeah, I do. Because the cover story just means that everybody has their own narrative. Nobody pursues the truth on either side. You have to work really hard. Yes.

But since it's my job, I do, to get the full story. Nobody ever prints the, if you read the New York Times and the New York Post, it's like these two, which is, it's just funny to do it because it's like, oh, I see what you left out. Oh, I see what you. Totally. I love doing that. It's not that either one of you, of course, they both lie to a degree. And the New York Post is sometimes just flat out funny in how they do it. But they just omit. Yes, yeah. You know, but like you sound like, and I say this as a compliment, J.K. Rowling, because this is her thing. And I don't know if you saw her take apart, Emma Watson. No, I didn't see that. Okay, see, there's something that was not reported in the New York Times that I saw.

We don't see that, we don't notice this. This is not worthy of comment, and it was so fucking was. And, of course, in the New York Post, they loved it. Because J.K. Rowling, brilliant J.K. Rowling. I mean, not that I've ever read Harry Potter. To me, it's a children's book, but maybe someday. Same, yeah. You know, okay, but a great one, I'm sure.

Got kids reading. But I just love her because, you know, she just says it. And she finally had enough of Emma Watson, who was, you know, super woke and, you know, one of the usefulity. It's also on things like Gaza. And so, like, she, and so, you know, which tells you something that she, her views on Gaza were just as crazy, I think, as her views on. on the women thing. And, you know, J.K. Rowling was just unmercable. She was like, well, you know, this is not an issue for you

because when you go into a public bathroom, you have a bodyguard who stands outside the door, you know. And she talked about how, you know, when I was your age, I didn't have all this privilege that you're always so hateful. I was home working on the book that made you a star. You know, it was, she just wasn't having it anymore. Yeah. You do get to a point where, and I think on a lot of issues, I'm at that point, where you're just sick of the BS on both sides, right?

And you want to cut through all of it. And look, honestly, you're never going to get to the truth if you're only relying on partisan media. And that's what I was doing. I was very much in a bubble. I didn't realize I was in a bubble. So now it's like, I have to do, I have to eat my vegetables. To me, eating vegetables as someone who works in media is reading and consuming content that you know is going to make you uncomfortable because it's going to challenge what your preconceived

notions are. If you're listening to a podcast, the truth never makes me uncomfortable. It only exhilarates me. I mean, it's, you know, on whatever side it is. Yeah. You want to talk about a little bit of shooting gossip then? You might get exhilarated, right? I can exhilarate you. I know you're going to say genocide and I'm going to say well you don't know what the word means and it's like if you don't even know what the words mean I'm Armenian I know what the word means right yeah okay it's when you try to wipe out an entire population of people which they didn't come close to doing I mean they prosecuted a war in which they were attacked which everybody gets to do which by the way let me just say you know if they were doing if they were literally going after Hamas which they were

legitimate that's totally legitimate but that's not what's happening Hamas hides in tunnels underneath hospitals. You can't go away. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hamas is the bad guy. If you don't get that, you don't get much. What Hamas did on October 7th was disgusting. Killing?

I mean, I don't make it. I don't at all hold back on that. In fact, there are. Well, that's the easiest thing in the world to say. I mean, I disagree. There are people. There are people who disagree, actually. Raping baby.

Yes, there are. There are people who think I'm wrong because Hamas, they're freedom. fighters. What kind of freedom are we talking about here? The fact that you, the people see Hamas, the people who hate oppression so much are on the side of the people. And it's not just Hamas. If you social justice warriors, if you have any other issue besides gender apartheid in the world that is above that, you're just a joke. That if you're if you hate oppression, there is one issue which should be above all because it affects more people. Hundreds of millions.

of women who have basically no freedom in the Muslim world. Right. So we should slaughter them instead, which is what's been happening. Well, you should prosecute a war to the end. That does involve slaughter of every war, you know. I think, listen, civilians get killed in wars. I think everyone knows that. Everyone acknowledges that.

Especially when you hide behind them. But when 83% according to the IDF's own data, And this is reported. By the way, I consume Israeli media on this. I don't consume American media on this. And Israeli media is super honest, way more honest than our media is. So when the IDF's own data indicates that 83% of the people that they've killed are civilians... Because they hide behind them. But Bill, do you understand that by killing so many civilians, they are essentially multiplying extremism? I do understand that. Do you understand that? Do you understand? that there's very often in the world two very bad choices. And you only... I mean, I'm an American, and I have to vote in presidential elections. Yes, I do know that.

You don't have the good choice. You have the bad choice and the even worst choice. Israel has been being attacked by Him... First of all, the entire Arab world rejected them for 75 years. They kept trying to make a deal. They kept saying, no, we want it all. That's what from the river to the sea means. It means we want it all.

We don't want a compromise. They've never wanted a compromise. Israel gave Gaza back. But did they? But Bill. But Bill, let's say our country was occupied by Mexico, right? You have a bunch of people who are occupying our land, and then they decide, you know what, we're going to leave. Let's say Mexico decides, you know what, we're going to leave, but we're going to control their electricity, what goes in, what comes out.

Because they were attacking them. We're going to mow the lawn and just, like, randomly decide, right? We're going to slaughter people because they allegedly threw rocks. They have literally nuclear. Well, they didn't allegedly. I mean, Israel has nuclear weapons, Bill. They have nuclear weapons. And they don't.

And they have the world's military superpower backing them. Right. Well, they have nuclear weapons, which they don't use. If Hamas... No, no, they don't use it, but just pretend like... If Hamas had a nuclear weapon, how many seconds would it take before they used it on Israel? I have no idea. Three.

Three is the answer. Three seconds. how do you know that bill come on because it's in their charter if they used a nuclear weapon against Israel i'm pretty sure the very land that Hamas cares about would be done for okay well then they would be martyrs and that would be a good thing because that's their death cult view of the world it's a good thing when you die that's why they strap suicide vests sometimes on children the fact that you can't see the moral difference between these two sides always amazes me among people i don't i actually don't see the moral difference when you have like Baselel Smotrich and Ben Gavir literally talking about

exterminating the entire population of Gaza. Okay, they're not talking about and these these are not they are. I mean, the statements are brazen, they're up front, they're honest. This is what they actually want to do. I mean, the West Bank is another example. The West Bank had nothing to do with what happened on October 7th, but they're annexing that land anyway. They're reigning terror on innocent people, innocent Palestinians. They're driving them out of their homes. Like, listen. I am willing to admit, because it's the truth, that what Hamas did on October 7th was a fucking atrocity. Oh, wow. Who couldn't admit that?

But you have a difficult time at least acknowledging the atrocities that have been committed against innocent civilians in Gaza. Well, it depends on what you call an atrocity. All wars are going to have atrocity. A double tap on a hospital? All war... A double tap on a hospital? So when the first responders show up? I don't know exactly what you're talking about.

I vaguely remember the thing. Right. Yeah. First of all, that's an old terrorist trick. That's what they do all the time. Okay, but are you at least going to acknowledge that the IDF doing that was wrong? Yeah, I'm sure they have committed what we would call war crimes as every army does in every war. Right, including our own, right?

In every war, including the civil war. I forget who it was and made the good point. Like, during the Civil War, a lot of people would say, especially in the South, that Sherman did not have to burn Atlanta quite as badly as he did. I mean, we were pretty brutal. But would you also then just say, well, we don't know who the good guys were in that war?

No, I think it was the North. I think that they committed atrocity in Atlanta, yet that's true. They burned when they shouldn't. They were very rough on the South. they were still the good guys. They were fighting against slavery as Israel is fighting to survive

and also, you know, they are the front line in the Western world. I totally disagree with you on this entirely. I think much of the problems we have in the Middle East is due to the enabling of this expand... Look, it's an expansionist policy. If Israel wasn't trying to continue expanding in the Middle East,

I don't think they would be dealing with the enemy, like the enemy. that they're dealing with. They've never been asking to expand. They're trying to annex the West Bank right now and Lebanon, southern Lebanon, and Syria, which they've succeeded in. These are all places that they were attacked from. When they became a country in 1947, they said, okay, we will accept half a loaf. They had as much right to that land as anybody.

There was a continual presence there since 1,000 BC when King David had a kingdom. I don't care about that at all. Okay, but it's relevant. It's relevant to people. You can't wipe out innocent people because you used to live there like centuries ago. You're calling them colonizers. They're not colonizers. They're expanding and they're annexing land.

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So, for instance, one of the issues... When were they attacked? What was? Okay, so in 1967, when... That was the first time? No, that wasn't the first time. When was? But when you say that they have offered land to the Palestinians, land that belonged to them in the first place,

the whole point... The whole point of this whole two-state solution was, okay, we'll give you this territory if you promise not to militarize. Without a military, you don't have a country. You don't have a country without a military. You don't have a country without borders, right? Without a military, you can't defend your borders. So if I were engaging in these negotiations with the Israelis, I would say, listen, I respect the territory that you're offering.

However, we need to militarize. We need to protect our borders. To me, that's a big thing. But that's not what they ever used it for. Again, they gave Gaza back in 2005. They could have chosen. They didn't give Gaza. back into, they left Gaza but didn't really leave Gaza when they had complete control over the

territory. Because they kept being attacked. Excuse me just let me finish one sentence. Okay, go ahead, go ahead. They could have turned Gaza into a state that was much more like, I don't know, Dubai or something, if they wanted to. They didn't. Hamas took over right away. They never had elections after that. You're right about that. You're right about the elections. There were a terrorist mafia, their own population is terrorized by them. They don't like them. All they did was important. court weapons from Iran, build tunnels, and use it to prosecute this war against Israel. They never used it. So, of course, Israel is going to be defensive. Their issue was they were not defensive enough, which is why October 7th happened. So you're making good points. I'm

going to concede to some of them. Not all of them, but, but, but, but, I don't even know why you want to talk about this. I know, I know. I'll ask you one more question. It's frustrating because My problem, my problem is, okay, even if I concede entirely to everything you're saying, how about a little bit of ire directed toward Benjamin Netanyahu, who's the guy who facilitated the funding and has totally admitted to facilitating the funding of Hamas? Why did he prop up Hamas? Because he wanted to essentially discredit the PLO, okay? I mean, there's all kinds of what-abouts, you can say.

But it's not a what-aboutism, the very man. Well, wait a sec, what is now saying that he needs to fight them. I mean, to me, to me, you don't. And now he's also funding Abu Shabab. Why are you funding Abu Shab? Who's also, who has ties to ISIS? These things are not wrong. It just like looks like you're looking for something.

No, I just want. To make a false equivalency. This is what I want. Look, I get it. I want Palestinians to live in their own territory. I want them to be able to govern themselves. I want Israelis to live in peace and safety. Then stop attacking them.

No, no, I'm going to attack them as long as they're doing what they're currently doing. They're doing in retaliation for being attacked. Of course it is. They've been attacked. They were encircled. Lebanon. Why are they in Lebanon? Because Hezbollah was attacking from there.

Right. In response to what they're doing in Gaza, yes. Well, before that, they've had four wars there. Was it when they were trying to annex land from southern Lebanon that they were attacking? They were not trying to annex land. They were trying to put a border between the country that, was continually attacking them if they were, if we were being attacked from Canada, I imagine we would want a little border between Maine and Canada. True. I don't think you really-

But while building that border, we wouldn't take a little bit of Southern Canada for us. No, it's not TikTok. I'm very well read on this. Very well read on this. I care about this issue a lot. I see. Yeah. Let me ask you one question and then maybe we can get off. Because otherwise, I just want to go. I want to go have dinner. Yeah, yeah. I'm not. interested in this. Yeah. It's not really what I started a podcast for. You seem to be itching to get to it. And now that you have, I'm not going to like back down on it because I don't want you to. And I'm not Jewish, by the way. Oh, I didn't accuse you of being Jewish. It wouldn't matter if you were. No, but I'm saying I do this because I think it's the right thing and because I feel like I know

the history and the politics of it. I respect your perspective. Okay. But if you had to live in the Middle East. So tomorrow, Anna, you've got to go live in the Middle East. Where would you live? You can pick one city, any city. You can, you know, as far away as, say, Pakistan. You could live in Karachi. You could live in Cairo. You could live in Amman, Jordan. You seem to love Lebanon. I mean, Beirut's nice when the bombing's not happening and the assassinations have stopped. Or you could live in Syria. I hear that's wonderful in the summer. Well, we now have a Al-Qaeda terrorist leading Syria. Or the hoop. these I'm sure would make room for you yeah Tel Aviv or the West Bank a Ramallah

Ramallah I think there's a wonderful for like a little in the fall it gets lovely where would you live what city would you live in where would you think you'd be comfortable in that dress I'm sure it would not be comfortable in this dress in any of the various Middle Eastern countries that have been destabilized by the United States you're not really blaming it on whitey listen are you you're blaming Islam on whitey I'm not blaming Islam on whitey. But what you're saying is still, we destabilized.

That's why you can't wear that dress? Did we not? Did we not destabilize? Wait a second. We were funding terrorist organizations in Syria during the Syrian Civil War, starting under the Obama administration. That's why you, did that not destabilize Syria? No, what's destabilized?

There's a literal, no, no, no. We're talking about your dress. It looks good. I know it looks good. Why? You're saying you can't wear that dress in Syria because of whitey destabilizing? I didn't say that. Okay, that's what it's...

Okay, great. But the United States did destabilize various middle-eastern countries. Are you going to deny that? I went asked about the dress, and you went right to destabilize. So is that why you couldn't wear their dress? Why couldn't you wear that dress? Why couldn't you walk down? You want me to talk about jihadism and Islam, but like...

Why won't you? I mean, I'm up... Why? I don't believe in jihadism, which is why I'm furious. That the United States just had a freaking Al-Qaeda terrorist in the White House. It's not just jihadism that is preventing you from wearing that dress. Are you saying every Muslim is a jihad? Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill.

Okay, why can't you wear that dress? Let's focus for a second. No, you won't answer this question. I'm not going to defend that religion, like, that extremist religion at all. What can't you just say? But that's not what this discussion is about. This discussion is about ordinary, innocent human beings that I don't want to be slaughtered, Regardless of what their religion is.

No one does. Then stop starting wars. It's that simple. Stop attacking Israel. It will stop. Okay. But the fact that you can't answer that question and you know that the... I don't know what the question is.

What's the question? You keep doing that. What's my question? What's your question? Because you don't really want to hear it. No, go ahead. I will give you space to speak. Go ahead.

Then you will let me... Yeah. The question is, if you could live anywhere... Right. From North Africa, all the way to... We left out Uzbekistan. You could live there, Kazakhstan, Saudi Arabia, Riyadh, oh. None, none of the above.

None of them. Or Tel Aviv. None of them. Literally none of them. But if you had to choose one, you would, you would, so to you, do you not, no. To you Karachi, Pakistan and Tel Aviv, same thing? I would figure something out, but I've definitely. That's powerful, not as smart as I know you are.

That's, come on. I have, first of all. You're going to get killed. You're going to get killed for that for good reason. No, I don't... Yes, you are. And for good reason. Okay, Bill, I'm Armenian.

I have literal family members who currently live in Iran. I have no love for the Iranian regime. Let me be clear about that. I left out Tehran. Hold on, hold on. But let me just say something. Tel Aviv, Tehran. There is so much disinformation.

Armenian Christians who are part of the Armenian diaspora as a result of the 1915 genocide against Armenians. I know it. They're living in Iran right now. they're going to church. They're being left alone by the Ayatollah as awful as the Ayatollah is. So look, I'm not saying I would want to live in Iran. I don't want to live anywhere in the Middle East.

I want to live here in the United States of America, the greatest freaking country in the world. You're like a politician. You're avoiding the question. No, I'm being as super honest as I can be. No, you're not. No, you're not. 100% I'm being honest with you.

No, no, no. Because the question is if you had to pick a city and you're not entering that question, you're doing what politicians are doing and saying, I don't want to live in any of them. I want to live in America. That's not the question. The question is if you had to pick,

would you rather live in Tel Aviv? Because I promise you, you wouldn't last a week in the other places and you could easily live in Tel Aviv. So if you don't think that speaks of a difference between cultures and civilizations, then, okay, we'll leave it there. But I promise you it does.

And if you had to actually do that, I think you would agree with me. I think given my very harsh and vociferous criticism of the Israeli government, I probably wouldn't feel so safe living in Tel Aviv right now, under this government. Under this government. First of all, they have free speech there, so it would not be an issue. But that was a side issue. We're not really talking about. We'll just say just a person, not you with your vociferous talking about, just a regular, a woman of your age. I'm sure a woman of my age who grew up in the Western world would probably feel the most comfortable in

Tel Aviv. I will concede that. Wow. Okay. But we're having a discussion about which culture we like when in reality I'm having a discussion about the value of human life and wanting innocent people to live, whether there Israelis or whether they're Muslims in some other Muslim country. You know what? When I'm bored, I know the audience is bored. So I'm going to cut it there because we've been around that mulberry bush before. Right. So I don't want to go around it again. Okay. You want to talk about husbands again? Anything. Anything else. Listen, and I am able to sit with people I disagree with, and it is what it is. We disagree on this issue. I don't think that this issue alone is the makeup of who you are as a person. So I just want to be clear about that. I think that we need to be able to have these kinds of discussions as fiery as they are, because this is how we come to a solution or a conclusion.

you need the tension. I think the tension is a good thing. At some point, this country lost the ability to sit with that tension because that's where we grow. That's where we learn, right? And so, you know, you've brought up some thought-provoking things.

I hope I've brought up some thought-provoking points. I doubt that was the case. I will say this show, whatever the fuck this is, this happens, first of what's ironic because I started this because I mean I have a show about politics

I don't you know I have a job this is like let's do something completely different where we don't have to talk about politics and but politics is everything well especially with someone who's political right but even people who are sometimes not because I mean

again I said if I'm going to do a podcast it's going to be completely different than real time real time a lot of preparation this zero I don't know what the fuck I'm doing here I'm high I'm having fun and I'm enjoying. So, like, it does get like this. It got like this with Laura, not to this degree with Laura, but, like, it would always

go back and forth. This one is the biggest challenge of, like, to get back into a good mood. I can do it. Like, I've never, you can do it. Yeah. I'm having, the first time ever, I've had a little, I'm having a little trouble. No, Bill, come on. It's okay.

It's just very frustrating. Let's talk about the transes again. The what? That's what the conservatives say, the transes. The left turned on me, the first thing that the left turned on me over was, I just kind of got sick of the lingo that was kind of being pushed on us and the way that... Lingo.

Yeah. Like, I don't have kids. I don't want to have kids. And I don't want to be called a birthing person. I find it super insulting. You know what I'm saying? And that doesn't mean I hate trans people or I want to take rights away from trans. mean, this is my preference. So AOC used birthing people or birthing person. Of course.

And it was in the context of women's reproductive rights being stripped away from them by the Supreme Court. So I'm already pretty furious about what had just happened in the Supreme Court and the reversal of rights that we've had for decades. And then on top of that, you have AOC referred to women as birthing people because she wants to be inclusive. And yeah, I, you know, had a little bit of a moment where I was just like, please don't call me on X, Twitter at the time. Please don't call me a birthing person. I'm a woman. I want to be called a woman.

So you fought with AOC on X, I mean, on Twitter. I mean, I just, I didn't even mention AOC. I was just making a point to the public. Like, this is where I stand on this specific issue, right? The terminology that's being used to refer to women. One of my friends who works for a different media organization put out, like five different videos condemning me about it. And I'm just like, is this really,

this is worth destroying your friendship over? Really? This is insane. And you know me. You know me well. We are friends. And you know that I'm not transphobic at all. I just think the feelings and the concerns and the worries of biological women matter too.

And I guess it doesn't matter for at least some component of the left. I wouldn't say the entirety of the left, not even close. But, I mean, the phrase I've always used, one of my big complaints about the left, has been the one true opinion. There is the one true opinion. Yeah.

And when you deviate from that, it's so ironic that people who absolutely hate bullies so much are the biggest fucking bullies in the world. 100%. And they just want to bully you back into the corral. Yeah, and you can't do that with me. And you definitely can't do it with me. Right.

Yeah. But, I mean, they'll love something. of what you said there because you know, the useful idiots, this is the thing that they love and the people who are marching for the terrorists and stuff. Bill, you want to go back

there, come on. No, I don't want to go back there. I don't want to live there. I want to live. I can live in Tel Aviv or anywhere else. They're all the same. What does it matter? I just want to live it. I do love America. Do you love America? I do, too. God, I love America so much. I love America

so much and it makes me so angry that it's not that our people aren't being tended to you know what I mean? And I'm not saying that in the context of like oh we want government to take care of all of us at all. No no I'm just talking about

I just feel like our country is being looted right now and it makes me so furious. I feel like I was reading that this really great article about and I kind of got this but he put the meat on the bones for it to me, it started out just talking about how the idea of the

poverty line, it was based, I didn't realize this, like in the 50s or something, based on like three times what a family paid for food. Because you paid back then, about 33% went to food, but we're in a very different place now because we only really pay about 5%. Food is cheap, but rent's insane child care like there's all these other things and he just broke it down and of course this is for families

people with kids and who need child care the two families that both people have to work and but like really like a hundred I think it was a hundred and forty thousand dollars just get you to like that's insane like a

like just like getting by basically a little bit But yeah, but maybe not even like, you know, big vacation or just like... Not in L.A. Yeah, right. That's for sure. It definitely depends on where you live. Right.

But like the numbers that, you know, we used to think $150,000, I read that stat recently that like a lot of people make a... I said, wow, America's pretty rich. Not really. Right. Not really. Because $150,000 with that kind of a nut is not rich at all. It's true.

It's okay. No, it's okay. And actually, like if you make really low money, you get a lot of government benefits. But then when you make this kind of money, you lose them all. So you wound up, you wind up like as close to the bone almost. I mean, you don't even have to get to 150,000. I mean, the poverty line is considered so utterly low that people who are very obvious, living in poverty, like they're not making enough income and should qualify for various,

you know, programs to kind of get them on their feet. They don't qualify for them, right? So I explain to me the American economy because I don't, I never can quite get it why we, they take so much of my money. Right. Yes. It's not like, like when I, when I, when I, whenever I hear like rich people don't pay tax. What? I, I can't remember the last year, when I didn't give more than half. And I'm not even bitching about it if it went. Listen, there is now... More than half.

That's a lot. More than half? There should be a moratorium on the discussion... And yet still poor people. Whether we increase taxes or whatever. And look, I actually think that there are some examples of corporations in particular who get like... That's it.

They get tax... Amazon should not be getting a tax refund. Right. That's ridiculous. That's the thing. is that we're like in the just the rich people that aren't really that rich who get hit hard. No, no, you're on a difference.

And when you make hundreds of billions, then you pay nothing. It's insane. It's insane. Partly because you have an army of lawyers and partly because it's in stocks and things and the tax code is, you know, Reagan tried to make it simple. It's not simple.

And they game the system. That's true. But like, you know, just don't tell me we don't pay a lot of taxes. How can you, and I've seen the stats, the government does confiscate a lot of money and I'd be okay with it but yes where is it going why is there still homeless and why is there still like not railroads built in california why and it's just like stupidity and fucking bureaucrats and just everybody with their beak at the trough

and just all this bullshit and a lot of it does come from the left like i mean look what's happening in California, I think, is a really good example of what graft, waste, all of that looks like. So, for instance, if you look at the state of California, people are paying their taxes. Okay, our state taxes are super high, municipal taxes, sales taxes, very high. It's very expensive to live in California. Very. State tax alone is 13, right? It's insane because of what we get in return, which is squalor, homeless encampments, okay?

Story after story involving audits showing the various nonprofits have just stolen the money, have decided to take the money, pad their pockets. It's... Safetyism? Yes. Overregulation, red tape. Yes. In California, there is overregulation, especially as it pertains to real estate,

construction. We need to build more houses. I said this to Gavin when last time he was on my show and like, oh, absolutely. And, you know, like, yes, I'm going to look into the red tape thing. It's just that is the one that I think is so hard to ever. It's like they always say, I'm going to Washington. We're going to get rid of the waste and fraud they never do. No. Everybody has their plan, Doge or whatever Al Gore had. And, you know, we're going to, we're going to get the lobbyists. We're going to fucking get rid of And they never do. It's that smarmy, sleazy, mud flow of consultants and, like, people who just make their living, not really making anything or doing anything or fixing anything.

So true. They're just little, everyone has their little piece, and it winds up. The people, we pay a lot of taxes, and it doesn't quite get to the people or. No, it doesn't. That's the thing that drives me nuts. In California, it's not like we're nickel and diamond. people, we have funded various programs to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, $24 billion in homeless funding.

Octamomom alone. I mean. Remember Octomomah? I do remember Octomomom. Is she in the news again? I'm just saying she got a lot of, I don't know what it would cost privately to birth eight children. You couldn't pay me to do that.

There's no amount. Apparently we couldn't pay you to get one. Right? True, true, yeah. See, I totally understand that, but I'm a man, of course. I get it, and I never want a kid. The one thing that's been steady in my life is when I was a kid, I didn't like kids, and I still don't.

Like, it never really changed. I just don't, I don't want to be responsible for any of them. Well, that for sure I don't want. But, like, I don't want to be responsible for any of them. And I've said this before, I'll say it again. I don't know how parents avoid. avoid violence because like because when it comes to my, my family, when it comes to people I love, that's true. That's true. But like I just think about, okay, I'll tell you a story because this resonates with who I probably would be as a parent. When I was in fourth grade, I remember waiting for my mom to pick me up. I was at the corner of the school. And as she's turning the street to pick me up, a group of boys from my class

passed by me and one of them slaps my ass and my mom sees it. I'm a fourth grader. So I'm like, what, eight, nine, right? My mom's crazy. So she, like, literally stops her car in the middle of the intersection, in the middle, runs out with a rolling pin

because she did have a rolling pin in the car. And she just starts chasing them because she wants to beat the shit out of them. A rolling pin? And that was the right thing to do. What year is this? This was... A rolling pin.

This was in the 1990s, early 1990s. Why in the car? She would threaten us with it if we were acting up. Really? Yeah. The old rolling pin. When I was that age, obviously, I thought my mom was crazy and I was like very, very embarrassed by it. But now as an adult, oh, I totally get it.

Did she catch the kid? I don't, I think she, like, got one, like, swipe in, but nothing crazy. But, you know. Luckily, because she probably would have gotten in a lot of trouble, but. But, Hannah, you were telling me. telling me this story and it came from the 1960s, I would say, that's how we did it. Parents could absolutely hit another kids.

Yeah. Another friend, parents, kids. It was great. It was very much, it takes a village. Right, you know? Yeah. But the 90s, I feel like. No, no, the 90s were so different, Bill.

I feel like they would call the cops. Already we were into the call the cops phase. There were no cell phones. There was no, like, oh, Let me get my phone out. I know, but hitting another kid with a rolling pin, I feel like what... Not in receipt of California. Wow, good for you.

Well, it certainly isn't that way now. No, no, of course not. Are you kidding me? My mom would be in prison for the rest of her life probably. Yeah. Exactly. She'd be in prison. Even in California.

For the rest of her life. Yeah. Exactly. No, they used to, you know, swat, you know, just you could swat a kid. Like if, and your father could be looking at this. And it'd be like, thank you, Bell. I appreciate that. that, you know, he was getting out of line.

My mom at like open houses, this is when I was in elementary school, I'll never forget it. She would literally tell the teacher, listen, if my kids are acting up, I give you permission to spank them. And I'm like, mom, don't say that. You're not supposed to say that. But she was very much of the mindset, and this was an old school mindset that doesn't exist anymore. If the teacher says that you're misbehaving, you're in the wrong. Whereas now I feel like, if the teacher says the kid is misbehaving, the parent fights the teacher, which I think is a mistake.

I've always said that. There used to be an ironclad wall. You couldn't break the chain. Your parents and your teacher, and now the parents take the side of the kid. Yeah, and I think that's a mistake. Oh, it's a total mistake. Yeah.

But, I mean, you seem like from such a traditional family, they must have been a lot of pressure to have a kid. I mean, it sounds like you're, from, you know, what I call villagers, people who have, like, what? Don't say that to my dad, okay? Well, people have... Because in Armenian culture, calling someone a villager is like... I don't mean it as an insult.

Anahit the villagers, you know? I don't mean it that way. I use it in terms of sometimes with women. Like women who are like... And I don't mean this as a bad way, but like, there are women who, like, they mate for life. You know? I mean, I'll mate for life, but not to have kids. Right, but I mean, like, and that's what I go, yeah, I call them villagers.

Like, most modern women, like, no, they'll fuck her about a little before they, but some women are like, no, we only do it if we are like fucking super serious. And that's great. I mean, not for me, but I mean, in general, yeah, it's great if that's your thing, but I call them villagers because it's like, not that they're literally little in a village, but, you know, it's just the villagement, and that's not an insult, just, you're villagers, and I am not. I'm a city boy.

Yep. You know. I know what you mean. Yeah, totally. But you must get a lot of that kind of pressure, or maybe they've stopped. Maybe they gave up. Well, what happened with me was I remember being in high school or college, and I went out to sushi with my mom and my aunt. And I got my mom warm to the idea that I'm not going to have kids very early on.

So I just remember having. I love the way you put that. Yeah. Warm to the idea. to like ease them into the notion that your daughter is not going to give you grandchildren and that's okay because when you're sick and when you're battling cancer your daughter is going to be by your bedside as I've been throughout this past year you know what I mean yeah and so I just I don't know you just know you're a man but I know that you probably went through the same thought process I did

when you know you know I'm not really fit to be a parent I don't want it and to be a parent you need to want it. That's so true. Right? You have to be willing to basically trade your life for theirs. Yes. Not completely. And I don't want to do that.

No, it is completely. It is completely. Well, you know, it's completely because the parents of the modern era fucked it up and made it completely. My parents did not. I don't know where I was yacking about this recently, but I saw this person on TV, a woman. It was TMZ, I can say it. And she was talking about, they got into some discussion about kids.

And she said, I wish I could have one hour a week. I can't live like that. It's just like everything, every day, I never have a minute to myself. I'm packing lunches and I'm doing this and I'm picking them up. And I just thought, you guys did it to yourselves. My parents did not feel these kind of obligations to be around me all the time. Yeah. And we were both happier for it.

You did it to yourselves. and you do have to trade your life for your child, yes, if you're a decent person and if you're going to bring a child into the world, but not to the degree the parents of today do it. And they didn't make it better for it. They ruined two lives. Congratulations. There's a fucking hat trick for you and society. I agree.

I mean, my most fond memories of growing up is when I'd be outside riding my bike and playing with my neighborhood friends for hours on end, you know, at some point, you know, my mom would demand that I come home, but for the most part, you know, when I was out playing with my friend, she just kind of let me do my thing. Now, I will admit, like we kind of, even though I grew up in Recita, California, at the time, it was like a little bit of a suburban feel, you know, and it felt safe, even though it was the 90s when crime was supposed to be much higher, but. It is the suburbs, isn't it? Yeah, recita California, sure. It was just, you know, working class community. It wasn't like, when you think of suburbs, you think of, like, beautiful, like, polished, you know, landscape and everything. We didn't have that. You just had a lawn. Yeah, yeah. A lawn. We had a front yard.

I mean, I went back to my house recently, like two years ago at that Thanksgiving, probably two years ago this week. And I wanted to see the house I grew up in. And the neighbors who were still living there when I was a kid. Wow. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's impressive. Wow. Next-door neighbors.

Oh, and their son is one of my best friends. Still, you know, from like eight years old. So I said, can, you know, can you ask the neighbors if I could see the house I grew up in? And it was completely unrecognizable. Yeah. They had just, because it was very small. But the neighbor's house, which was the same model. Really?

When my parents bought the house, this is World War II generation people on the GI Bill after the war. in the 1950s you didn't even see the house you saw a model they built these neighborhoods and it's oh yeah oh yeah you got 24b it's looked like every other house yes yes that's yeah that's the neighborhood i grew up in all track homes built in the 1950s right you know each one was like a tiny bit different right like so each other house like one looked the same as the next one not the next one but the one over right like so there was a little bit of variation but not much but but the point is why can't we do that now do what like we desperately need more housing right so why the fuck are we trying to reinvent reinvent the wheel why can't we do the same thing we did in the 1950s we mass produced housing levitown

was yes of course i mean that was the first suburb that it was like again they no variation in those houses just like they just mass produced a suburb right right right and just mass produced a suburb right Right. Let's do that again. Yeah, we could. Why aren't we? Because we can't even get the homeless. The homeless houses cost like, like a million dollars apiece. I know. I'm working on a piece up right now, an investigative piece on Project Homekey.

And it isn't, so Project Home Key is the policy in the state of California to, it's like the housing first policy, right? Like, we need to take every homeless person and put them in a hotel room that we have converted into an apartment, which, fine, I respect that idea if it's done efficiently and properly, but that's not what's going on. Hotels. Who came up with that? Because the Roosevelt Hotel in New York, that was used for, I mean. I think the idea was we have a bunch of these motels and hotels that are, like, dilapidated. what if we buy them and just convert them

to apartment units which sounds like it makes a lot of sense except in practice it's actually been a bit of a disaster they weren't building apartment they just put them in the hotels I know how I acted on the road in hotels all my life it's just a bad idea

hotels do not foster good behavior they just don't well it also just inherently like the policy inherently minimizes the complexity of the in California, and I'm sure other states as well. I'm sorry, but if you take someone who is addicted to fentanyl off the street and you just park them in an apartment unit and pretend, as Karen Bass has pretended, we're going to offer them wraparound services, but they really don't, they're going to overdose in the apartment.

And that's what's been happening. I'm sorry, but the homelessness issue isn't as simple as, okay, we'll give them a home. No, homeless people, they fall into different categories. There are the homeless people who are not on the streets, right? We need to make a distinction between street homelessness and the people who are couch surfing or staying with family. The single mother with children who left her abusive husband, but she's staying with friends. It makes sense to help her out by putting her in one of these units.

No, it doesn't. You don't think so? No, I could tell you how to solve this, but there's probably laws or bureaucrats or whatever here's what you do first of all citizens own the streets you can't be on the street you can't control this sidewalk i am a citizen i pay taxes the sidewalk is mine not yours sorry no tense we put you in a barracks a nice barracks but a barracks i'm sorry you are where you are in life uh we are going to help you we are not going to judge you but that's where you are, you have to be in a barracks.

What do you mean by a barracks? Like, I just want to understand. A barracks is a big room with a lot of beds. So a shelter, you mean? A shelter, a barracks, whatever. But they say, well, they don't want to go there because they don't do crime. Okay, pennies on the dollar. Hire

a fucking security guard for every row of beds and have them. So you're safe there. We guarantee you safe there. While you're there. We also have an adjacent barracks where there's counseling and there's drug addiction. People get off drugs and there's food.

And it's like, do that. When we think you're ready to go back into society, then we'll have people who are trying to repatriate you back into society. Do that. But putting them in hotels or pretending that being on the street is just a lifestyle, which is where they're... No, no. I'm not buying that at all. I know. Yeah, yeah.

But that's where they went with that. Again, another example of thinking you're helping and you're actually so stupid, you're hurting people, you're hurting the marginalized people you're supposed to help. Okay, let me just be clear about one thing that obviously it struck a nerve with you and it struck a nerve with me as well. I don't give a fuck about your lifestyle choices at all. I really don't. You are not entitled to overtaking a public park. No. Because you want to live on the streets.

And I know people. by the way, I was part of the group of people in this country who didn't think that even existed. Who the hell would want to live on the streets? That doesn't exist. No, it does. It exists. Unfortunately, it does. Yeah, cuckoo. Most of them are mentally, something mentally is off. Right. I don't think that comes even close to representing like half the homeless population in California. It does not. Yeah. A lot of people are like one paycheck away. Right. I agree. You know, you go from, well, you go from, I'll have.

Have the rent next week, I promise, to, sorry, that's the third time you lied about it. And now you're in your car. Yeah, totally. And then after your car comes the sidewalk. And those people can be helped. Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Get you someplace warm where there's soup, okay, and security.

It's not that hard to do. Whatever fucking stupid laws are in the way of it, if only a politician could come along and just cut that Gordian knot. because it's not that hard to do. And it doesn't cost a million dollars per unit. So one of the policies that California actually got right, and we've moved away from it, unfortunately, is drug courts. So the way drug courts worked in California was if you committed a crime, not just simply having possession of drugs or using drugs publicly,

but if you committed a crime because of your drug addiction, the judge would give you an option. Okay. Well, you robbed someone in their own home in order to feed your drug addiction. You have one of two options. You can either go to prison or rehabilitation. We could put you in rehab and you can get clean. You make your decision now. And a lot of people, understandably so, and this was the smart decision, would opt for rehab. Drug courts used to work. I mean, they worked in California. Why did we move away from them? And I just... We had drug courts? Yeah, we had drug courts. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.

I did a lot of research. Just about drugs. Because, listen, I don't agree with throwing people, just willy-nilly throwing people with addiction in prison. Like, that's not the right solution. No. But when you give someone who's in the throes of addiction the option, either you can go to prison or you can get clean, they're going to go for getting clean. I think I could do a show called drug court. I like it.

I like it a lot. I think I have a lot. the credibility. I have the drugs. I love that you're smoking a joint while we're talking about drug court. I have the drugs right here. And I know a lot about the subject. And I think I'd be a very fair justice meeting out, you know, because look, I've never been somebody who thinks that drugs are all good. I don't believe my hippie friends who want to tell me that this is health food. It's not. No, it's not. Yeah. It's not, but it's not. It's more benign than the other drug I'm doing, which is liquor. By the way, I love pot.

Oh, really? Why didn't you say so? I mean, like, I wanted to kind of get a feel for you before I decided to partake. I think we've gotten both ends of it, babe. Yes, we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we got it. I think we hit the gamut tonight. We did, we did. And thank God we did. Yeah.

Like, it is almost impossible to leave here not with good cheer. I just won't, you know, even that was the highest we ever went up, I feel like, to the almost into the Bezos area where you're actually technically in outer space and came down. But we still did it. We still did it. We did it. We fucking did it. But I'm capable of it and I knew you would be capable of it too.

Because you're an adult and you're able to... Yeah. Like, let's joust a little bit. It's okay. We can joust and we can come back from it. I like to joust. Don't you like to joust? You think you're the first Jew-hater I'd talk to? I'm not a joke. I joke. I joke. I joke. See, I'm a joke.

That's what happens out of you with comedians with the joking, and then we're coming back and we're drinking and we're laughing and we're funny. So what do you do for fun when you're not? My husband. Wow. Yeah. Look, I'm telling you, man. It's like that, huh?

Wow. And how long have you been together? That's good. We just celebrated our 10-year anniversary. But how long were you before? So before that, But, first of all, I met him at a club. Nothing wrong with that?

No, there's nothing. I mean, people are meeting each other online. So meeting him at a club, I find that super romantic. I met him in person. That's incredible. Bigger hoes than you out there, trust me. Oh, my God. By the way, I mean, I thought, oh, like, I'm going to be, I'm not going to marry this guy.

He's just a hot guy I met at the club, so I'm going to, like, because I've always been a good girl. Like, I've always been in one super long. one super long monogamous relationship to another. You're a villager, I know. I'm a little bit of a villager, I guess. But don't tell my dad. No shame in being a villager. There might be shame and not.

They would say. That's what the villagers would say. That they would say that. There's no shame in being a villager. So, but he, what can you do? And it's good for the guy. He doesn't want to feel like his girls, you know, dirty dros and all over town.

Definitely. He definitely, you know. Right. He told me after the fact. He's like, yeah, I just knew you were a good girl, which even though I was doing my best to make him think I, like, was a naughty girl, you know? But no, he knew. So you could see right through it.

I'm not going to say anything that I wouldn't want my parents to know about. Take that as a non-denial denial. Exactly. Okay. But what was meant to be like, ooh, this is me being bad. Like, of course, I end up marrying him. Of course. I always felt, and this is sort of the pattern of my life, like,

When the sex happened right away, it made everything easier and better. It's like, like, if we're attracted, like, the rest is sort of bullshit, and then you're, like, sort of starting the thing on a lie. Every serious girlfriend I had, they never put me through, like, the agony of, like, you know, guessing which date it was going to happen on. Right, right, right. And I always, like, so appreciated that, that it just, you know, it just, it carried through the relationship. Yeah, that's a really good point. It wasn't like, oh, I think some girls think like, oh, once he's fucked me, then he'll have had me and leave. I guess if that was the only thing about you that was interesting, I might do that.

And if the sex was super boring. I mean, if it was great, it was a good time, he's going to come back to more. It's like, no, I'm like, I'm like a raccoon who just tipped over the garbage. I'm coming back for more. This was awesome in here tonight. I'm coming back to this house. I mean, he loved it so much. He wanted to do crossword puzzles with me after the fact

and didn't want to leave, you know? It's so funny. Like, if I was allegedly seeing somebody, I mean, we allegedly would be doing crossword puzzles together. And this is someone who, like, did not have a good education because nobody does of her age. They just stopped educating people. But the crossword puzzle is something,

and it's amazing. I was never able to do the New York Times Friday or Saturday. Oh, those are tough. They get harder as the week goes on. They do. They sure do, yeah. And I still can't. But when we do them together, we do it in 20 minutes. Because I know what happened with the Ottoman Empire, and she knows Scooby-Doo.

Oh, my God. No, it's true. It's like complementary knowledge. Oh, I love it. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful thing. I didn't know that you were into the post-revember.

coital crossword puzzles like me and my husband are. I didn't say they were post-coital. Oh, okay. But I mean, they could be, but... Are they pro-coital? Is it turn you on? Like, kind of gets things started? Are we always having to be coital? I mean, who can live under that pressure? I mean, like,

I mean, coital, I love coital, but like not every moment is coital. True, true. Fair enough, fair enough. So, like, you know, you got to give it a rest. I like to get my cardio in. I mean, my dick's tired. Get the puzzle.

Oh, my gosh. All right. Well, I guess we got back to laughing. I told you we were capable of it. We were totally capable of it. I'm so glad you came here to yell at me and laugh with me. Yes, thank you for having me. I would do it over at a minute.

Same. And mostly I think we are on the same page with so much stuff that matters about talking. talking to each other and not cutting off and accepting the differences and... I love my country and I love the people within it. Yes. And that means loving everyone, regardless of where they stand on politics.

Once you see human beings as human beings and you don't boil them down to a political identity, you live a life that's far more enriched and you actually show that you do love your country. Loving your country means loving the people within it. You know what I mean? I do know exactly what you mean. I mean, I've had whiskey, so I'm starting to get a little bit, you know, lovey-dovey and

whatever. I'm very glad I got to know you. Thank you. Your star is only rising, and I think that's good for the country because you're smart and you listen and you have a great voice. And yeah, so I think our trails will pass again. Thank you, Bill. All right.

Maybe next time we took up together. Yeah, and next time you'll feel comfortable doing that, right? Yeah, for sure. All right. Yeah. Having a baby, that's still off the table. No, no, no, that's off the table. Good for you.

We don't want any more babies. No, no, no. I never understand that whole Elon Musk thing, and he's not the only one. No, is that a good thing to have a bunch of kids from different women? But like, like, what happened to the population too big? We only have so much resources. Like, they just, among the things that they're not. they could just pretend like the thing we were saying about AI, taking all the jobs,

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