Club Random with Bill Maher - Billy Corgan | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

Bill Maher and Billy Corgan on rock-n-roll urban legends, the very bad thing that happened to the singer of Three Dog Night, how every band has a Connie, why Billy doesn’t behave like a typical rock star, Billy’s dad’s unorthodox career, Billy’s Bob Denver story, and what motivates Elon Musk (it’s not money).

I thought this would amuse you. It brings up a lot of bad memories. Really? That is so interesting. Well, fuck me, but not really, because how could I have known that? No, I'm actually joking with you. Oh, I am joking with you. It doesn't bring up bad memories.

Oh, no. It brings up good memories for me. And it was so cool. You know, I've used it for a million things. Really? Yeah, I've put pot in here. The albums in here did not fit in. This is when I moved into my house,

I had a whole CD. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, we had to. I had a fight to get that made, believe it or not. Fight for what part? Well, our album, Mel and Colley had 28 songs in it. And I got this idea of releasing 28 B-sides, it's basically total insanity, you know.

28 unreleased tracks to the 28 song album. And so when it was all put together, I had this idea of doing a box and a clipped typical record. What do you want to do that? And it'd be cool. We'll do like an old school package with, you know, obviously, Reminis and old 45 boxes. Okay, okay.

If that's what you want to do. And it ended up selling like 160,000 copies. They made a fuckload of money on it. But it's classic, right? So we have to beg somebody to make money. But I think there were eight CDs in here. I believe it was six. Six.

Six and a booklet, if I remember correctly. Right. If you open it, you know, you know, there's a little trick inside. No, what? See the top, what it says? Yeah, this belongs to the old school thing. This fall run, you know, like,

when you're kid, you know, you like you when you're kid You do say was your record your record collection. I would have filled it out except if I have to resell it No, but this did not fit in the CD is so they yeah to take the but it was you know, you know, really This box was too good to like be wasted there So it did have a million. I'm surprised it doesn't smell like double This box was too good to be wasted there. So it did have a million, I'm surprised it doesn't smell like dope. Oh yeah, did you actually keep weed in it?

I kept lots of things in this. I had it on my desk. I have a, also of a, it's a thing to hold pencils, but I guess it's just a drinking chow. But I used it for that. That was in a promotional thing for for Rod Stewart, like in 1971. That's also like a Rod the mod kind of.

Yes, he's, you know, he's got the mic on. Oh, nice. I remember the story about when we were kids. Do you remember that story? That they pumped semen out of him or something. Yeah. Before, no, before I ever knew who Rod Stewart was, I heard people would say,

did you hear about Rod Stewart? And I'm like, first I don't know who Rod Stewart is. So my first connection to Rod Stewart was hearing this, this apocryphal story about the gal in a common Rod stomach, you know what I mean? But I feel like that's bullshit. Of course it's bullshit. Well, we don't know. I think I'm gonna go out on a limb that Rod likes the ladies.

Oh, he does. I mean, it's so funny. He was on my show about a year ago, or maybe it was even one recently, but I read his book, his autobiography, which is a lot about pussy. Well, he did well in that category. Like, beyond. Like, at one point, he talked about having sex between courses at a restaurant, this

is. You know, if you could both talk something and have exactly the between courses and then have a fine way to do it at a restaurant, I feel like that is so. Although I am technically a rock star, I did not get that particular DNA you understand. That was not my course in life. Really? You never really?

I'm envious, you know what I mean? But it's not really how it worked out for me, which worked out fine. But that must have been your choice. I mean, rock stars are women who throw themselves at themselves. Yeah. Sure you could be have been a... No, no disrespect to anyone who's done it, including Mr. Stewart. I just always thought it was a bit too pig-ish. Wow. You have more of a sense of restraint than I do. You look at something? Yeah. But what's the wait till next show?

It's something I use to cut the end of my... Oh, I don't want to know. I'll get it next show, and so on. What do they technically call it? Fire someone. What are they next technically? Is there cutters? It is a, I always think it looks like the thing

that the rabbi uses to cut the end off of a penis. Not that I even know what that looks like, but you know, the real rabbi is they use their teeth. Well, I don't know if I would describe the word real to rabbi's who put babies' dicks in their mouth, but that is a thing. And babies do get herpes from rabbis. If there's camera men, I didn't know that.

They do. I'm not saying everyone, but that is something that has happened. You could look. Can you imagine? I cannot. Your mom sits you down and like, it's son, I hate to tell you this.

I cannot imagine how angry I would be as a parent if my baby got herpes because the loyal had to put the dick in it. And it reminded me of the Dalai Lama last month when he said to that kid, suck my tongue. Now that's not as bad and maybe it was innocent and maybe it's a Buddhist tradition. I don't know what it was, but it looked bad. And there's just no circumstance where you should say that to a child. Well, you know, the concept with the Dalai Lama is that he's, you know, the reincarnated. He's reincarnated again and again, it's the Dalai Lama. Maybe it wasn't him, it was an earlier incarnation.

We have to fire myself, I found it. There it is, look at that. Is that vintage? Is that not a beautiful thing? Is that vintage? It's vintage at this house, I don't know. But of course I could lose a finger. Yeah.

That's like my nightmare, what you're doing there. Why? I'm a guitar player. Oh, right. Right. What do guitar players do, like when, like, doesn't Eric Clapton have arthritis and stuff like that? Yeah, you get tendonitis.

And then you can't play, right? Can, it's just not as easy. Yeah. I've various forms of tendonitis. And that's from playing? Yeah, I mean, Bill, do anything 18-zillion times. Right. Well, if that were the case, you know, masturbating would have knocked my dick off.

That was my way. I was the straight man. I was setting you up for that show. Okay. But it's kind of true. So you have wrist pain and... No, but I never had it in the wrist, but I am amazed that you can choke the chicken as much as you can choke the chicken, especially now. Certainly, this, I'm saying this is in my young years, but even well through most of my life, yes, it was just unlimited amount.

And certainly in college. It was very stressful life. I remember in college coming down from taking speed, which was horrible. The drug itself was. Was this off the shelf like... No, I happen to go to college at Ithaca, New York at Cornell, where it was the hub for where speed came in. And our pot, we were pot dealers, but when our dealer got something, we sold whatever he had. That's the way it worked. We were the low man on the, you know. So I remember getting this speed, crystal meth and crystal bends. There were two types. I've never had it since

college. I looked for it when I got out of college. It didn't exist. But the like four or five speed trips I took in college, I've never had a drug experience that good. I mean, you, one very painful snort in each nostril, and you were just flying for 12 hours. Problem is, then you couldn't sleep. And I remember like just being up for like 24 hours masturbating, because it made me super horny. And I probably masturbated 24 times in 24 hours. Now, it's amazing to me that your dick can still be attached after like that. But it's like-

Chuck Negeron, the great lead singer of Three Dog Night. Three Dog Night. I read his autobiography and I guess in his, I'm paraphrasing the story, but he talks about it in his book. This is nothing he told me privately. Apparently he fucked so many times his dick exploded. Exploded, what do you mean? He'd have to read the passage in the

book. You have a crack staff here. I'm sure they could pull up the work. No, they're on crack. He literally says he fucked so much that his dick exploded. And apparently it's a medical thing that can happen. I'm no doctor, but I feel like that's bullshit because you're dick would not, I don't feel like over and over and over make something explode. I feel like holding something in, make something explode, doing something over and over makes it erode, not explode.

I wouldn't know. No, but I'm just saying, I'm, look, if this guy wants the humble brag that he got a lot of pussy, just say it. Don't tell me you're taking explode. Well, I don't know. I'm a different type of personality, but if that happened to me, I wouldn't talk about it in a book, you see. So, but it was bold the way he doesn't.

It's a humble brag. It's a harrowing passage. It's a humble brag. I got a lot of talent i think i think we're going with so much my dick exploded ecstatic excuse me you know i do think that it would be i would believe it if he said um i my dick um you know what you're right right. Let's not even pursue this line. But I must say, the fact that you were offered this, as you must have been, as a rock star, and deferred is rare. That is rare. I can't say I deferred,

but I didn't partake as much as the people around me. Let's put it that way. The people around me. Well, I don't mean my band. I mean, I was in that world. Right. You mean the roadies? No, the roadies would pull people too.

And that was always, we actually have rules because other bands were very permissive. They would let the roadies go into the crowd. Yes. Basically backstage passes. Right. They know, hey, if you blow me right now, I'll take you back and meet some of them. Is that a real thing? Yes. Basically backstage passes. Right. They know, hey, if you blow me right now, I'll take you back and meet some of them.

Is that a real thing? They will. They will actually blow the roadie. Oh, yeah. But then why would you ever want to meet that girl? I would never want to meet a girl who just blew another girl. You don't know enough rock star or star or star or star or star or star or star or star. Some of them are not very discerning.

No, I understand. Yes, I understand that. I mean, but it's interesting. They're talking about a wide standard here. It is interesting now that almost all the rock stars get married. You know, like it must be either. Oh, I see where you're going with that. Well, I don't know where I'm going with that, because I'm not sure whether it's because, well, I've where you're going with that. Well, I don't know where I'm going with that, because I'm not sure whether it's because, well, I've just had all the pussy I could possibly get, which is ridiculous, because every day you're alive, you're a new day.

I mean, it's like saying, I've had all the food I could have. Eat, no, no, because I'm alive tomorrow, and I'll need it again, is one way to look at it. Or they just found that, I think a lot of what it is, is that the girls who want rock stars are very young, right? No, no. Like I say, they're not only young. Remember Grant Funk's song, Connie, doing all right.

Yeah, we're an American band. Oh, I know. There's a line about, in there about Connie. Connie. From which tar, what? Who was Connie? So she was the she was the famous groupie who when when the bus would pull in a town would blow the whole crew and the band Oh, good was a known thing and so we were going band. Yes. Oh

and the crew Oh, which is which is an important point to delineate I see Okay, so we were once playing a gig, 93, and we were pulling in somebody said, Connie's here, and I'm like, who's Connie? You know what the, it was like, oh my God, we're gonna be Connie, like from the song. And Connie came on the bus and was, was ready to roll.

And, and you're saying, I was horrified. And you're saying she was not young. No, she would have been mid-forties. Mid-forties. Oh, yeah. So Connie the Milf, was even a Milf. No, that's, I, I, I, I would not call her a Milf.

But okay, so my impression is wrong, because I think music, of course, excites teenagers. That's who rock, rock and roll is for. By the time you're in your 20s, your taste of broadened out. You still like who rock and roll is for. By the time you're in your 20s, you're taste of broadened out. You still like your rock and roll, but the people will go nuts. Like, I mean, I was that, you know, you're 14.

I remember one person in my band saying, you know, like, I'd spent the night with some girl and some eats in the band said, what happened? And I said, we just literally stayed up all night and talked. And somebody else in the band chimed in and said, well, why the fuck would you want to do that? Why would you want to take them in your room and talk on that? I said, well, that's just kind of where it went.

And we had a really nice conversation and somebody I would probably want to see again. Did you? I don't remember because it happened more than once. Cause I wasn't, like I I said I wasn't that into that Well, then it couldn't have been that memorable a conversation that you had that night or else you would have that person would have become someone in your life There's you know, what's the old term shooting fish in a barrel? You know that you know the idea of it

I'm not in even if somebody presents themselves to me on a platter I obviously I'm not single now, but if they did, I'm not actually not that interested. No, but I'm saying, you said you had a nice conversation that lasted all night. Yeah. If I had a conversation like that with someone and I certainly have in my life,

I would then want to know that person more than that for that just one night because we had such a good time. That's what I'm saying. But it sounds like you didn't pursue that. But that happened to me hundreds of times, you's what I'm saying. So, but it sounds like you didn't pursue that. But that happened to me hundreds of times, you see what I'm saying. So, everyone you talked to, it was interesting like that. No, but what I'm saying is is sometimes people get themselves into a dynamic, it's like, you don't really know what you're getting into until you're into it. It's one thing to be in the crowd and somehow somebody grabs you

out of the crowd. Next thing you're hanging with the band and everybody's drinking champagne and next you know where it's in the hotel. Yeah, on the surface, it looks like it is what it is. It's a hookah. But it doesn't have to be about that. And sometimes you find magical things and sometimes they board the shit out of you and you think, why the fuck did I let this person in my room? Well, is it my making you sense?

A total sense because I certainly understand being not in music, but having the same situation of there are people who want to know you because they already know a lot about what you are about. You've already shared a lot of your thinking. So it's like a dating app times a million that does all the work for you that like they're trying to match you up with people who have the same interest or think like you. And obviously somebody who's your fan is going to be somebody who's already there. So it's like

so I was never into the let's call it for what it is. It's a bit dehumanizing when you allow yourself to be overly objectified and then in return you objectify the person because you don't know them and they put themselves in front of. Why is that objectifying? If somebody likes you because it's as if I'm a bit of a snob is what I mean. I see. No, you're not. It's like if you could go around personally and sing your song to somebody, and then they, wow, that really reached them, it got to them emotionally, the lyrics resonated. Okay, that would be a great basis for,

look, I wanna know you, I like your song, but there's nothing cynical about that. This just happened in our modern world, on a mass level, because millions of people can hear it on the radio and buy the records and so forth. So, but it doesn't change the fact that what's getting to someone or when I do comedy, what's getting to somebody is,

oh, I like the way your brain works. I like what you're saying. I like your message. I like your words. That to me is pure. Now, what you do with it can be an impure. That's where we agree. That's what I'm saying.

I tended more towards the intellectual and emotional side of the equation rather than the physical. You can be a real asshole and it's like, oh, this person really likes me because of what I sang or what I've said on the air. I'll just use that to get in their pants right away. That's a creepy way to head. What I'm also saying is I didn't like being objectified

in that scenario. On stage, it's fine because that's a shadow play. But you're not being objectified. You're being liked for what you... I mean, yeah, other people... I'm not arguing with you. It doesn't feel... It didn't then feel that way to be.

There are people who also do like you just because they know you're famous and... Oh, yeah. Yeah, and a rock star. So I've certainly had people who, like, profess to be big fans and, like, I just want to say, I can tell who's actually a fan. You know that it's like... You think in this group wherein it's a very cool thing to be my fan, so you're saying that,

I know you're not really. I know you really don't watch my show. It's okay, I don't care. But I can tell when you're lying. The easiest way I can tell a lie is when people say, I watch your show every night, because it's on once a week, you know, that's like, wow, you really do like me.

You watch the same show every night, because it's on once a week, you know, that's like, wow, you really do like me. You watch the James show every night for a week. But, well, that's a more enlightening look into something I've been curious about my whole life than I've ever gotten to. Here it is, it's like I've lived it, for sure. Yeah. And drugs, like, why would you say that rock stars do so many more drugs than say people

in the industrial adhesive industry? Best guess I can give for it is there is a social aspect to it because you spend a lot of time sitting around. There is the idea that if you're playing whoever you're playing on stage, you can sustain that longer. And then there's other things which is like, you know, the guys in the crew, Molly crew would tell you, you get so high on stage that you want the show to go on off stage. Is that kind of generally kind of?

Absolutely. Well, yeah. Also, you're going to afford it. Oh, yeah. And also, people offer it to you. People, like, go out of their way as a way to curry favor with the band by getting them, not just the best drugs, they get them the best, everything. That's a way to, like, ingratiate yourself to a famous person. Here's the best pot ever. Yeah, we had a guy once,

it's when we were still pretty young, but the guy came backstage and he said, does anyone have any weed in our rodeo at the time? He was the weed guy, right? So, well, that guy. And so, he goes, if you can get me some weed, I've got liquid LSD. Can we just met this guy? LSD's always liquid. No, you can take it in a paper tab. That's what that's

putting a drop of the leaf. Yeah, but I'm saying is we'd never taken pure liquid LSD. Well, you certainly wouldn't want to take more than a drop or two. Hold on, let's get in the story. So we just met this guy. And so we go, wait, so he, the guy over in the corner doesn't know he's about to give up his pot, works for us. If he gives you pot, you'll give us this liquid LSD. He goes, yeah. So we go to the guy, you got to give him some weed. He's like, well, I don't want to.

You know, you're going to give him the weed. So he makes, he makes him give his weed. And the guy literally, I just met this guy. We literally went like this and he filled our hands and we, let's take like 25 hits LSD. Just came off stage. How old were you when this happened? 22.

And what happened? Tripped your brains out for him. You could have died. Fucking two days. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm getting to your point about drugs being available. You just meet some stranger.

Hey man, take this liquid. Well, now you've also explained another thing about rock life, which is why there are so many ODs. And I think the answer is because when you're young like that, you're a fucking idiot. And of course the combination of being a fucking idiot plus the easily available high potency drugs, yeah, you're gonna be-

We lived it. We lived it. I mean, we had overdoses and people die and all of it. We've been at all. I remember doing things and it's horrible. Doing things that when I look back, I'm like, wow, my God. I remember in college, we're experimenting with everything.

There was something that went around. And it was, I guess it was what now they call poppers. In the gaiicumon, it was a big thing. Yeah. You had to have the, you kind of snap it. This thing would snap. In the Amel nitrate. Amel nitrate. And you take a you kind of snap it. This thing would snap. Amel nitrate. Amel nitrate.

And you take a big snort of it. Okay, so we had it in this little vial. It was like a little vial of what would, same thing with acid. If you drank it, you'd die. But what you just take the top off, and then snort, and then put it. But if we like got too high and forgot,

and drank it instead of they were said, hey, what would happen if you drink this? I mean, because it was such a stupid drug, you'd get incredibly beat red. Your heart would go a trillion miles an hour, you'd laugh your ass off for like two minutes and then it would be over. Yeah.

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Wow. My father sold heroin, cocaine, and weed. To you? No, no. No, I was actually pretty much a tea toller in my 20s because I was so in that world that I wanted nothing to do. When you were a little kid, you do were aware he was doing that? I'm five years old at the kitchen table. My dad, by the way, this is 1972. This is not like now, like you're sitting here smoking.

My dad in 1972 would sit at dinner and smoke, join after joint And we'd all contact, high eating or macaroni and cheese. You know, Nixon's on the TV being impeached and I'm like out of my mind. Wow. So just from the contact? Yeah, yeah. And then I don't think he was dealing then. Then later in order to sustain his habit, he started dealing. So it was not unusual in my house to like, you know, I don't know.

You're looking for something and you're like, is the thing I'm looking for? I don't know. My hat in this bag, though, it's not in this bag. You open this other bag. It's like eight pounds of weed. You know what I mean? Like in the kitchen. Just, oh, that's the weed stash. Were you aware of what it was? Oh, yeah. And that it was illegal. Oh, yeah. Were you aware? My dad used to take me on drug deals. That's collateral.

No, he'd leave me in the car. I guess it's just keep me safe. Oh, well, but you know, you know enough about that culture. Like, he would go in to do a deal and I'd be in the car for three hours by myself while he's in there doing whatever they were doing. Wow. And when you said you were like five at the table and getting a contact high,

we were at that young age, the difference between sobriety and being high. No concept. No concept. No, no, no. But you said you were high. I know now, but I'm saying, oh, I couldn't understand what was happening.

All I know is I wanted to eat the entire refrigerator and I didn't mind watching Nixon's impeachment or something. You know, and that's like suddenly it was really interested in dickness. So it gave you the munchies at all. So it did what it does now. And he thought it was funny. Yeah, my dad was the type of guy who'd blow smoke in the dog's face to get the dog high. Well, that he was that guy. Yeah, well, I've been that guy too.

But, um, wow, so, um, face to get the dog high. Well, that is right. He was that guy. Yeah. Well, I've been that guy too. But, wow, so. There was a litmus test. Are you that, you know, are you the blow the weed in the dog's face guy? I'm not for many years, but I'm not going to. My dad would do that to us. I'm not going to lie that I've never blown weed in a dog's face. But the dog was asking for it.

I had a dog who, I'm cigarette smoke. I smoked at the time. Wow, that's how long ago that was. He just liked smoke. He would come and he would just, if I was smoking, he would lick the smoke. He really liked smoke. Anyway, this is, I didn't know this about you with the, but do you think it hurt you to be high at that edge?

I mean, certainly off the top of our heads, Do you think it hurt you to be high at that age? I mean, certainly off the top of our heads, we think immediately, oh my God, that's horrible. Maybe it isn't. Is it, would it, it never hurt? Can we entertain the idea that it might not be maligned? It didn't hurt me. Say, I wouldn't do it to my kids, but it didn't hurt me.

Right. You thought it was funny, so it's kind of a mixed emotion in my mind, you know? So when did you first voluntarily do drugs on your own? 21, 22. Wow, so you waited. Oh yeah. Because I hated. Yeah, I'm leaving with my father, I have 17 4 o'clock in the morning

Boom boom boom boom back door. It's some guy I've never seen right where's your father right coming to make a drug deal of course Drag my dad my dad out of bed. They go up lock the door and I'm you know, you know These guys all carried guns and right it wasn't wow so I was living like a like a really bad Tarantina movie all the time right Well, we had guns in the house. We had You know stolen lawn mowers, you know, I mean it was it was a weird It wasn't Sanford and Sun, you know, I mean it was like it was weird Boy, you're so lucky you're in such a colorful childhood. That's what he said.

And what was your mother's role in all this? My mother was institutionalized when I was four years old and I never lived with her again. She went away for years and when she came out she was so different because of probably electric shock or whatever they put her through. She was like a different, it was like different person. Boy, you check all the nuts, oh boxes. I do, yeah. It was like a different person. Well, you check all the nuts or boxes. I do, yeah. So. Well, I'm gonna have to listen to all your music,

which I do anyway. Thank you. But again, knowing what I know now, because that could make a big difference, especially if I do it high. I think that's why, with your dad at least, thank you. At least generationally, I think that's why,

I was connected with so many people, because I was speaking the petois of Gilligan's island meets what the fuck happened in my life. Now that you should put it as well. Thank you. That's a funny line. I can I tell you Bob Denver story? Bob Denver, I know exactly.

Yes. To play Gilligan. Oh, I know. So at one point This is a slightly convoluted story, but I'll be quick about it We had this woman who worked for us in the mid 90s whose name was seven McDonald She was country Joe in the fish country Joe McDonald's daughter. Oh, and her name was seven And if you asked her how she got her name, she said, because my dad smoked seven joints that day.

So that's so so at some point is you do sitting in a tour bus. The Bob Denver's name came up for some fucking reason. And she goes, oh, I used to live next door to Bob Denver. You know, say, you know, this is pre-internet. You know, so you know, we're desperate for any information on Bob Denver. Right. We got the inside scoop on Mr. Denver. She's like, yeah, he was always depressed because he couldn't get any jobs post-gill again. And he just used to sit in the backyard and smoke, join after joint, and just look kind of bummed out. And oh, by the way, he had monkeys in the east to jerk off all the time.

So that was our. Monkeys too. Is that a good story? just look kind of bummed out. And oh, by the way, he had monkeys in the used to jerk off all the time. So that was our. Monkeys do. Is that a good story? But here's something, here's my story about Bob Denver. I mean, it's not a story that I... I thought you were gonna tell a story. Of course.

Jerk enough monkeys, but... That's very common. I mean, you cannot go to a monkey cage which I shouldn't even have in a zoo without seeing them jerking off. I mean, that's a very, that, they... Believe it or not, I started interrupting you. Believe it or not, I was once at a zoo.

And these are where these little kids, and they were trying to get the monkeys' attention. The monkey was, as we say, in wrestling, no-celling them. The monkey was just like this. And the kids are doing everything they can to get his attention. He was like this. It's a true story. They do that. And the kids are doing everything they can to get his attention. He was like this. It's true story. They do that. So finally they did something enough to get the monkey's attention and he looked at him and he started jerking off. And when they got to go horrified, he went,

and he started laughing at them. He was like he figured out the routine that if I do the jerking off thing and they get scared and I get to laugh, it was quite brilliant. I know people who work with chimpanzees, you know, I'm not a sanitarium. They're not crazy. A sanitarium. Mucky terry. No, they're must be a sanctuary. And it is amazing how close they are to us.

Like how much is going on upstairs? They make you think that they're almost aware that they can't speak because they have thoughts and ideas and they find ways to express them almost like a mind. What you're describing is a mind. Yeah. Okay, well that's a turtle can't do that. I mean, they're, they are, you you maybe maybe a turtle can but just really slow

Thank you. We'll be right back No, but Bob Denver. Okay, here's my No, I know this is because I love this stuff. That's not really a story. This is something I read in the paper I said I was hopeful. It was like, he came to me for a job. No, I was on top. I would have given it to him. I was on top. And he's, he's gone now, right?

I believe he's gone. Okay. So, um, he was, I always knew about him because pot head, pot head, you know, you know, who the big pot heads are. Oh, you know, there's a list of people who we all know. Was it like a secret society?

No, it was just like, you know, Welley Nelson, Woody Harrelson, Paul McCartney was for decades, a all day long pot smoker. I'd heard that, yes. Yes, okay. There were people, why you heard those rumors? I've never been that guy, but I don't smoke pot anywhere near like,

but Snoop Dogg, there are people who, Bob Denver was that guy. So, but he lived in, some, like I think North Carolina, which was, I mean, we're talking about the 90s or something, and it was dry. I mean, there was no, pot wasn't even medically legal anywhere. So he had to, or maybe it was medically legal somewhere, maybe California.

Anyway, he needed to have somebody send him pot. And of course, the federal government, which has nothing better to do at one point, busted. Bob Denver, our beloved Gilligan, for pot possession because they found it coming through the mail. Do you know who was who sent it to him? Uh, wait, I could see his face in my mind. No, near old. Okay, good. Marianne. Marianne.

Did she get busted, too? I don't know, but it's such a great story. I can't hold it together. Were you in that litmus test of who was hotter? Did you do that? Hotter? Yeah. Marian test of who was hotter? Did you do that hotter? Yeah. Mary Ann or the other one? Oh, Tina Louise. Right. Oh, yes, that was always going around. Look, Tina Louise, is she still with it? I don't know. I hope not. Who are you more into? I hope not. Are you more into Mary Ann? I'm sure she's a little more into Mary Ann. Mary Ann, for sure.

Yeah, right. Oh my God, not even close. I'm sorry, Tina Louise. You're a lovely person, I'm sure. But the way they presented you and made you and that whole thing, I mean, she was very Marilyn, it was a Marilyn Monroe homage. Yeah.

And I'm not gonna go into. I wanted to do the Gilligan reunion. And Tip of the Torred Marilyn Monroe, but I was never a fan'm not going to go into what you get. I want to do the Gilligan reunion and tip of the toward Maryland Monroe, but I was never she refused to participate in the Maryland and the the sorry, Maryland. The the Gilligan reunion.

They had the original change. The whole of we used to. Yes, they do have the whole original cast together, but she wouldn't do it. I wonder why I can't remember. And then and then it was the whole they promised whoever was CBS or whenever promised, they were going to finally get off the island.

Well, and they did a swerve at the end and they ended back on the island. That falls under the category of, I think, like just people in show business, perhaps people in other industries do it too and I'm just not aware of, but people in our business just, you just read or know about so many instances where they just make a horrible stupid decision, like just a bad show business decision. Like what else do you have going on, T.M. Louise? You know, why couldn't, what, what hatchet could you not bury to take the one offer, the one thing you're beloved for?

And most people do, but when I was making my religion documentary, Religious, I wanted to get the song from Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders. Game of Love. Thank you. I knew you would know. The purpose of a man is to love a woman

and the purpose of a woman. Okay, this would have been perfect for, we had a really funny segment with this gay conversion, Christian guy who was playing me still gay and was almost in on the joke, and the song would have been perfect. And I paid, you know, I bought Charles Norrell's Barclay, sold me crazy, which was perfect.

Pete Townsend turned me down and then thought it better up it and sold me the seeker. Stevie Wonder would not sell me superstition, but this would have been great. And I called up Mr. Wayne Fontaineer, or whatever his real name is, and apparently his mind has been bent because he was, I remember like very sick

impact unius and had not worked in years and was like holding out for a ridiculous number. And it was like, come on man. Like how many people are asking you for this? It was a great song in 1965, but that sort of was the peak for the mind benders. Can I make a guess suggestion? Yeah. I know I'm putting you on the spot.

Yeah, please. Barry Williams, who was Greg Brady. Yes. Have you ever met him? I don't remember, but it's possible. For this or for my real show? This show. Really?

Because I think you would appreciate. I got hung out, hang out with him one night, went to a show with him. And what's so cool about him is he's found this balance within, because of course everybody's like, oh my God, it's Greg Brady, right? Yeah.

But he's found that balance where he's cool with it. Good. You know what I mean? You got it. So he's figured out his life and the way that, like, it doesn't feel like tragic, it doesn't feel sad. It's like, it's like a cool thing. He's embraced it in a way that you root for him, not because he's great, but because

he's a cool dude and he's figured out it was not a bad thing. It's the ultimate overdone cliche, but you know, like, play the cards, you're dealt. We are like, really, it's a perfect metaphor. We're dealt a hand. And there's some aces in it, if you're loved. Oh, it was your hand. I thought a pretty good hand. Funny.

Carousel Matt. Well, finish your thought, Bill. No. Yeah, I mean, and also from a loving home, I didn't have to put up, you know. I mean, I had a truly bit to be a child. Jellis of that by the way. Yes, you should be.

I feel terrible about it, but actually, I'm... I'm happy. No, I understand. You should. Because it's amazing, people who grew up in good homes, by and large, turn out to be good people. Well, yes. That's my experience. I think by and large. I mean, truly good homes, not large turn out to be good people. Well, yes, that's my, I think by and large, I mean, truly good homes, not the fake version.

Right. And, you know, people who are given too much, I feel like I was given just the right amount. Certainly wasn't spoiled. It just needed to be, the kind of spoiling that goes on out, didn't even exist in that day. And there certainly was no like oversupervision. You know, it was like, you know, go to school, get your ass home, go out after school, play. You know, there was none of this helicopter parenting.

And I mean, I kind of want to get on the old day and way we're better off for it, but we were. You know, people said, that sounds old. Yeah, but what, but it, that doesn't matter. Is it true? Is it true? Were we actually better off when we weren't so oversupervised? And I think you, they studied this.

Yes. Kids, yes, a certain, a small number die who wouldn't, if you didn't give them an Epi pen and a fucking helmet to go to the mailbox, yes. But for society and for all the kids who make it, I mean, just putting masks on two-year-olds, I think was a fucking crime.

What do you think about that? You have kids. I was not into it. I was not into it either. I think the whole thing was like, I find it really weird and obviously there was a mob out there making the case once the propaganda scut done with them that people can tell you what to do. Right. Your boss. Exactly. I find that really weird. Even in an

emergency. Even in an emergency. And there was a moment there where you could say it was in an emergency when, like... Yeah, but these motherfuckers had the data pretty early on. Yes. And they wouldn't let it go. Correct. Because somebody was jerking off in an office over where laughing about it, what they got people to do.

No, I mean, if hospitals are being overrun, which didn't happen as much as they hyped it, but was certainly potentially happening and there were sometimes when yes, there were gurneys in the hallways. Okay, that's an emergency. I can see draconian measures for a short period of time, but then to let something that should have been two weeks straggung for two, three years. Latinacir, remember Latinacir. to let something that should have been two weeks stragg on for two, three years.

Latinacurve, remember Latinacurve? Remember herd immunity? I mean, the way they like, just like in politics, they just like float something, and if it doesn't turn out to be true, they don't apologize for it. They just move on to the next one. Yeah. And God knows what they're using to figure out their messaging.

They are they using AI or Google Analytics. You know what I mean? Well now they are. Yeah, they tweak the messaging right? And you know, I'm a songwriter. You know what I mean? It's like, I think, oh, that's a pretty good album title, Flat in the Curve. You know what I mean?

It's like, it has a ring to it. That's my point. I had Musk on my show Friday. Nice, I saw some of the clips when I was a little good. Oh, good. And you know, did you enjoy that conversation? Loved it. Did you? I only saw some of the clips, so I can't say I saw all of it. Well, I think it's, I've only met them once for 10 seconds, so I can't say no. But it's interesting because the jury's still out on sort of where he lands, you know. The musk apologists basically say, well, he's operating within a system and he's trying

to balance the forces of his, you know, what he's actually interested in, the fact that he's got to get government contracts and all that. The other side says, no, he's just another version of the same shit, some other controlling. No. I don't know. I mean, people are such haters. I don't have a particular.

He's a very sincere guy who is not motivated by money, obviously, he doesn't even have a house. He, can I tell you something though? And I don't feel like it's too inside baseball. I won't say the person's name. He can I tell you something though? And I don't feel like it's too inside baseball. I won't say the person's name. When I met him, he was with like a truly stunning woman,

like a drop dead. Like how are you even real woman? Why later became friends with? And she told me, you know, because invariably I asked about her, the relationship didn't last. And I said, how'd you meet him? You know, I just wanted her to gossip, basically. And she said, our first state,

he took me to the rocket factory. And we had lunch overlooking the rocket factory. And I thought, that's a big fucking game, man. Yeah. So props on the game. But what makes it good game is that it's also sincere. That's what he really wants to do. Here's the thing.

I don't have a read on him yet, but I think you have a much better bullshit detector than I do, right? I don't think I have a better one. I just think. I'm giving you a compliment. I appreciate it. And I'm saying, if you tell me you sincere,

I'm more likely to believe what you're saying than my own greed. I appreciate it. I'm saying if you tell me you sincere, I'm more like I believe what you're saying. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And also because I spent a lot of time with them Friday on the show that that interview and then after hanging out with someone. So what do you think he's really after it doesn't make sense? That's a bit of a raw question. He's an engineer. He is, you know, in the best sense of the word a nerd. He gets off on figuring things out and he can, it obviously comes to him very easily. I mean, figuring out how to make the electric car, the thing he made it. If he just died tomorrow, that would be an amazing civilizational accomplishment. And he's just got 10 other projects like that.

He's, that's what turned him on, is fixing things. That's what engineers like to do. And he's like realizes he's kind of at the top of the intellectual game there. So he's gonna work on the biggest problems. Now, I don't agree with everything like I was kidding about. Like I said, most things I do agree with you on, not like let's have more babies and raise them on Mars.

That's not, I don't get that part. But that's okay, it's not because he's making money off Mars or babies. It's because he really believes that and he's got his story and he's sticking to it. I don't get it on the babies for sure. I think we have too many people on this planet. And I think I can prove it. Resources wise, we could fit it on the babies for sure. I think we have too many people on this planet. I think I can prove it.

Resources-wise, yeah, we could fit them on the planet. It's not about fitting them. It's about feeding them. Yeah, we're doing a poor job of that. Yes, and everything. We would need, they say, if everyone lives like Americans, we would need five Earths. Well, we certainly look like we live on five fucking earths.

Because I just got back from Australia. And they're not as fat. It's shocking when you go to another country where people look how America used to look. But aren't they getting fat everywhere? Like I just spent, I just spent three weeks in Australia. And not fat. There's a big difference between. Right.

Oh, no. Well, yes. And I'm not a body shamer type person. No, no. But it's hard to watch people who are obviously loving, sensitive people sort of declare quite publicly that they don't want to live too long.

Well, what's, I think, really sad is that they have so many enablers who actually have convinced them that that is not something to worry about. That's the problem, is that they think they can have it both ways. They are selling this very deleterious idea that you can be healthy at any size, and you can't. That's the science. Beauties in the eye of the beholder. If you like that, what you like is a partner, great. Yes, we have all types.

But science is not subject to those laws. I mean, it is subject to laws that taste is not. And scientifically, I've said it many times, and of course the haters, their answer was so funny, that did you ever see a fat 90-year-old? And one guy, I knew somebody would say it to him. What about William Shattner-Bill? Okay, you got me.

One, you got me. There's one. Poor Bill Shattner. And I love Bill Shattner. He's sat in this chair and I've had dinner with him. I just fucking love him. And you know, he's ironed Bill, but you know, the exception proves the rules.

Can I tell you a funny sad story? Please. There's a really cool train museum west of where I live in Illinois. And what's cool about it is all the trains work, so they have private stocks. So if you take your kid there, you could take your kid on a 1920 trolley train stuff

like that and it actually works. They run it around the park and stuff. Excuse me. So I'm on the trolley from 1923, fully restored, you know, and the guy's driving it around and it makes various stops. And my son at the time was probably four years old. And the door opens and there's this morbidly obese gentleman.

He's so, so big that when he got on the trolley, literally went, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to make you laugh. I know, but that's funny. Okay, so he gets on the trolley. He's so big, he's struggling to get up the stairs. Because this was made in a time where they weren't assuming that someone like him was going to have to go up the stairs. Okay, fair enough. As the man's climbing the stairs towards us, my son goes out loud.

Why is he so fat? That's why kids are great. And I go, oh my God. And the only reason. And you know, I'm from Chicago. So everybody knows me. So I'm like thinking, right, right? Oh yeah. So the guy looks at me. He looks at my kid. And as he's passing by, again, my son goes, why is he so fat? And then as the band go, why he looks at me goes, because I like to eat kid. I see so fat and as the band go, how do you look? And he goes, because I like to eat kid.

So God bless them, you know what I mean? It could have been worse. He could have said, he could have said, because I like to eat kids. Yeah. Yeah. I don't understand,

yeah, I, I'm not gonna keep ranting on this because a lot of people think I've done too much of it already, but people who enable by telling the lie that this is positivity or healthy at any size, I just want to say one more time, you have blood on your hands. You have blood on your hands because it is not healthy, especially at the incredible, I mean, the guy you're talking about, it's not that unusual to see, yes, I take your point about, like, yes,

the world is getting fatter, but not to these levels we've taken. I mean, it's one thing to be pleasantly plumb, and it's one thing to be obese, but then once in a while, a building walks in the room, and you're like, how do you not stop and start to reverse even when you're 400? Who is like, that is a sickness that we are indulging and killing people. That's not a time to like be, oh, you look great and you don't. Or maybe you do, but your body inside is not looking great. And to then go, well, you know what? I think I'll keep...

Maybe I'll get to 500 if I can... It's just so many things we label a disease, a sickness, I mean things that didn't use to be like alcoholism. Why not this? And I think the answer is just everybody loves to fucking eat. And nothing can get in the way of that. I certainly like to eat. But everybody likes to eat. But you know, you don't live for it. And it shouldn't be the thing that is recommended to fix the hole in your heart. Because obviously people who eat that much, there's something else going on. Yeah, I mean, if you've ever watched 600-pound life, I mean...

I have this. You've never watched this. Of course not. Oh, really? Oh, first of all, no, I never mind. I just... I wouldn't want to patronize that. That's disgusting that they would... Just what's on the show? that's disgusting that they would just what's on the show? Well, I'm all being judgmental. Well, generally speaking, this doctor in Houston, I think, is an zower and something. They go to his clinic. His son produces

the show. So obviously, they've set up like a business model. But it is interesting to watch people come in and they're over 600 pounds and the doctor will literally say to them You've got to lose weight. Here's how you can do it. Here's how you can do it safely Right, and they want to get the surgery like yes like whether cut out sure 100 pounds of fat or whatever right and then these show pictures. It's pretty graphic like meaning they show the surgery That's one reason I would never watch it. Okay, because I can't unsee that. Anyway, the point I'm getting at is,

he'll tell them to their face, like, look, he got to do this. Sometimes people are like, you're wrong, and he's like, you understand, you're gonna die. You're gonna die. You gotta do this. You won't live much longer. This is what I do for living.

He gives them like a protocol, and they follow basically that the catch on the show is can they lose enough weight where the doctor will perform the surgery? That's always the catch on it. And it's shocking how people, like they go away for a month, six weeks and they come back and they've lost four pounds.

I thought you were gonna say through 100. No, no, it's shocking how many times the person won't lose the weight. And then they act shocked. And he's like, did you do the thing I told you to do? Well, no, and it's sad. It's so sad. And most people are, yes, there's obviously something going on with them that's causing them

to be addicted to food or the process that they're in. But it's, you know, like in all that, they're just like normal people with normal hopes and fears. It's not like you think they're like off the rocker. Right. So whatever's going on is super complicated. It is. It is.

Yeah, no, there's got to be a better. At some point, then it is sad when you have a culture that's sort of telling that person, I can't speak to everybody else because you get into body type stuff. But when you're talking about somebody who's morbidly obese and it's sort of not a culturally agreed thing that we should say, okay, there's a line here, that's where it gets uncomfortable I think. See, here's how I try to relate to this because I've heard people say, you don't know

what it's like. You're not like an addict like I am a food addict. And I accept that some people like food even more than others, although it is basic to all of us. But I do think I know what it is like to be a food addict because that's what I am after pot, what we call the munchies.

I think that's what, like, some of these people have all the time. Oh, I see, I am. So I get this, but knowing that I have this when I smoke pot, I prepare for it. It's not like I just let it happen. Do you lapse or something? No, but I know there are certain things you can do

to kill your appetite, or if you're going to eat ravenously like a fucking wolf, have food in the house that isn't bad food, because the good part of being stoned like that is anything tastes good, because you're so fucking stoned. So, you know, I can just go through a bag of barooka nuts, but they're very good for me. There's no, they're just protein and fat,

which is good for you, good fat, and no carbs. And they're like, you have to, you mash down with your teeth, so it kind of gets that, because pot makes me like, ah, you know, so. But you look, yeah, you look like you're in great shape. No, I'm a bit fat.

You're a bit fat. Yeah, but it runs in the family. You're tall and're in great shape. No, I'm a bit fat. You're a bit fat. Yeah, but it runs in the family. You're tall and you always had that. I can cheat it, but yeah. Really? I'm not as lean as I need to be for the stage, that's for sure. But you, no. So I have no judgment in that.

You live in Chicago, I know this about you. Yes, you are. Okay. Chicago is not, I mean, they like our big portions. Exactly. That's what I was going to try to do. People come to Chicago from other parts of America and they are shocked. I'm shocked.

I mean, the... And I love Chicago. It's my... Well, I like to say, if you live inside, like we do in Chicago six months ago, you're there's nothing to do but fucking eat. But I know several people from Chicago who I've talked to lately, who are up in arms about what they feel is a very unsafe city. It's sad. And you feel the same way?

We now consciously avoid going to the city. I live outside the city. Anywhere in the city. Anywhere in the city. Wow. Which is sad. That's why I was born. Chicago. And I've spent a lot of my life in the city and I love the city I've written songs about the city. I wrote a whole album about the city

You know if put it this way If you grew up in a town like I did in Chicago and you know, you know like any town There's the good neighborhoods in the bad neighborhoods and your partners telling you hey I'm gonna go down at two p.m neighborhoods. And your partners telling you, hey, I'm going to go down at 2 p.m. into what is essentially a good neighborhood. And you're like, are you sure you want to go? Wow. That's where that's where Chicago is right now. That's what I've heard. Okay. And by the way, just to add a little bit of teeth to what I'm saying, I know a lot of

Chicago police department people. So these are the people that are dealing with it every day. And they're like, this is fucked up. They're telling me that. And it's fucked up because the cops are basically saying they're not allowed to do their job. Okay. I'm no expert, so I'm going to just tell you tell me tell you what I kind of understand. Okay. First of all, we got one mayor going out the door and another one they just put a more liberal mayor. I understand. Also, essentially, anti-cop.

So you can imagine if you're a police officer and you're giving getting rid of one administration that didn't have your back and now you have another administration coming in that's also not going to have your back. They're having record retirements. They can't recruit, right? This country never reacts. It only overreacts. You know? Interesting point. Let me tell you one of the thing, because this is a stated policy. If I have it wrong, I apologize, but this is what I understand, and I've certainly talked to my cop friends about it.

You're no longer allowed in Chicago to foot chase a criminal. Yes, I read that too. Okay. Unless they're like carrying a firearm. So if you're standing outside a store and some young person or an old person comes running out with 14 pairs of jeans in their hands and you go stop and they don't stop, you can't chase them. What is the purpose of even thinking of a law like this? I think the political point was it's similar to the LA thing why they don't car chase anymore because you don't want to create a dangerous scenario over a pair of jeans.

Have they ever seen an episode of Starski in a... Or chips. I mean, or even fucking Long Street. I mean, Manics, you gotta chase the cop, the bad guys. Cops have to be able to chase. Yeah. That, I've said this many times, like Democrats, when what you're doing

sounds like an onion headline. I don't think it strikes them that way. But that's the point, gross, they wouldn't do it. But if there was a headline in the onion, called the Babylon B. Yes, but certainly the onion was the place that yeah, made that a thing, like funny headlines that sound like real headlines, but we know it's

a bit sad. Can I tell you my favorite onion headline of all time? Please. For the first time ever, Ray Manzerko's five minutes without calling Jim Morrison a shaman. And they had they had fake quotes from Ray Manzerko. Like, I guess I just forgot. The door.

It's pretty good. Great band. Great, like, I guess I just forgot. The door. That's pretty good. Great band. Great, right? I mean, when they were on... I was once offered to be on the, if you remember 2000, they did that thing where they put a bunch of singers

in front of the band and they did door songs. Do you remember that? They put what? You know, they did a thing like, they did their own tribute album. Oh. Where, you know, singer... Yeah like they did their own tribute album. Oh where you know Singer yeah singer acts sings and they play like a classic doors song, but it's actually everybody's had those so I was invited to do that So you played what I didn't oh I said I said I was like this high in my retard at the time

But I said can I talk to them and I'd met met them a few times. It's like, uh, this is Ray. This is Ray. Uh, Ray from Chicago. No Ray Manzeric. Well, I, no, I'm saying is, uh, I think Ray was open to the idea, but the other two guys, uh, uh, Robbie and, uh, John, so I got on the phone with Robbie and John and I said, they said, what is it you want to do? And I said, just hear me out. I said, can we write a song together? And they said, well, this is a doors tribute record

and we want to do the old songs. And I just pick any song you want and we'd love to do with you. And I said, my dream would be to write a song with you guys. Let's do a new song. Let's do a new door song. The first new door song in 30 years. And he went, no. That is such a better idea. You're right. I was so excited. No, that says a lot about you

and why I always liked you. Thank you. You, instead of, because I'm the same way, there is no such thing as the past in my life, because it's over. I don't care how great it was. I'm not living it now. Well, first of all, everything has to be about tomorrow. I'm not going to sing it better than Jim. Right. So why do I want to do that? Right. But I love such a cool idea to do a new, and yeah.

And it was one of those things that was like, look, if it's terrible or you don't like it, we won't put it out. Just be between us. Nope, didn't want to do it. And I bet it would have been great and fun, because your half the work is done, because you already know what style you're doing this in.

It's the door you've been doing indoors. How amazing to be in that energy with them and just see how they work. And Eddie Vetter put out this amazing track on his awesome, it's a solo album he put out last year. And it's like in the Beatles. It's like a Beatles song. Okay.

Which is not what Pearl Jam ever sound like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to great singer. He's a great singer. And it's a, but just to show that, oh, I can do that. And it's, it's fun. Do you remember when you played on politically incorrect?

I do. I was wearing a black bat dress. Ah! So was I. Which I paid a lot of money a black bat dress. So was I. Which I paid a lot of money for, by the way. Way too much. You know what? This is coming back to me now.

I think I'd rather see that 600 pound guy. No. A black bat dress. I vaguely remember this now. Was it an election show? Is that why? Because we didn't normally have music. It was a special...

It was either after a Super Bowl or a collection. Yes. So you were doing a special... Yes, for some reason we were playing. Yes, because we, the ABC, we were on ABC at the time, and they gave us like an hour. Yeah. It may have been like in the time slot,

not our normal late night time slot, but after a special. It was a special. Right, so we won. And you got your sign over here, you know? Summing for the kid. Your old, yeah. The clean and the clean and the clean. Yeah, you're special. Right. So we want. And you got your sign over here. Selling for the kid. Your old, yeah. Yeah. Flex. Yeah. It's cool. Well, and I was on as a guest a few times. That was really fun. I love that show. You should come on my new one. I would like a new one.

I love my, you probably get me a 20, 21 years old. You probably get me in a bunch of trouble, but you're worth the trouble. Long as, oh, thank you. It's really good to see you. Thank you. I don't do it anytime. Thank you. Anyplace, cameras are not. Sounds good.

All right. Oh, do you have anything to apply? Yeah, you have it in your eye. I do, but I just want to point out, somehow we got from Bob Denver to morbid obesity. Two different body types. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a big fan of Tina Louise. Like I said, you did have a great body. All right,

June 3rd, the Met filled off you. June 4th, the Win Creek Benflat battle haven't been doing a summer tour with June 16th, rival sons and Interpol and some dates with Stone Temple pilots. It's gonna be great to her. I will even have wrestling on the tour to wrestling right. You know, I own a national wrestling, like it's the oldest. So your tour, say that again, I was sure. We have a summer tour with the rival sons in Interpol.

And then on some of the dates, it'll be rival sons and Stone Temple pilots in Pumpkins. Stone Temple pilots? Yeah, yeah. Still going. And they sound great. Well, who's doing Scott Wailens for it? They have a young gentleman who's quite a good singer.

Yeah. It's a tough gig, you know what I mean? But here's the thing, great. Because people always ask me what I think about, let's call it, bands continuing. They should continue. What do you think about when they're 80, like Jagger and the Pink Floyd dude are now doing it at 80?

Well, let's start here. They're doing me a favor if you really look at it because they've elongated the window where people think you can have success. All right. So on that metric, the pumpkin still has like a long road to go and I plan on doing that. I mean, it's nice to know it's an option

and for the people who hate on it, it's like, we'll stop an option and for the people who hate on it, it's like, we'll stop doing it when they stop buying tickets. The stones were still a stadium act. Exactly. I mean, that's pretty impressive. I know. All right, well, maybe I'll see it this show.

I'll see it the stadium when I be on it. I'll be on it. Sex. Okay. Smoking it, Jimmy. It was awesome. Smoke it at joy. Climb. Render. That's what's awesome. Say, thank you, bro. Feed out.

Oh, yeah. Please. Say, you look like you're in fine shape. Love it.