Club Random with Bill Maher - Bo Derek | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

Actress and animal advocate Bo Derek drops by Club Random for a conversation that starts with her breakout role in 10 and ends just about everywhere else. Bo reflects on the whirlwind that made her one of Hollywood's biggest sex symbols, her unconventional life with John Derek, and why fame was never something she actively pursued. From there, Bill and Bo swap stories about Johnny Carson, Marlon Brando, old Hollywood, aging, marriage, beauty, and the strange ways celebrity can reshape a life. They spar over animal welfare, horse racing, and carriage horses before—because it's Club Random—somehow ending up with a plan to spend Christmas in Solvang hunting for hidden gnomes. Support our Advertisers: -Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/RANDOM #rulapod #ad -Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://www.ziprecruiter.com/random Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Holy shit. Hello. I didn't think it would happen until I saw it in person, but you're really here. I'm just so flattered you're here. I mean, you don't do a lot of stuff. I don't, but I am... Thank you so... I'm like a big fan.

Wow. So... I'm so happy. I don't sound like that... Remember an American beauty, the kid who was like, there's so much beauty in a plastic bag. Yeah. I don't want to be that guy, but I feel very plastic baggy today because, you know, I'm 70, but I'm feeling fine.

Right behind you. Yeah. And, you know, when you're at this age, you've had shit. So, like, if you feel good and don't have to deal with the health, that's a good day. It's a beautiful day in California. I get to talk to you. I get to have a drink, which I allow myself once a week. Nice.

Mostly you. I mean, I just, you just don't do a lot. So that you would come here is just very meaningful to me. I appreciate it. Well, that's interesting because I am a big fan. Awesome. Don't miss your show. So when I got the invitation to come, I said yes, and then I thought, what the hell

am I doing? Juanie, what are we going to talk about? Oh, we're not going to have any problem. Okay. I mean, if you've seen this thing, you know, I mean, I just, I have no agenda, no questions. I said when we started, if I'm going to do a podcast, there's already a million. It's not going to be like the other ones, which really are just the old talk show. They have mics, they have cards, they have questions.

I have pot and liquor. Great. And no pre-interview? Pre-interview. No, but I come from Jenny Carson days. And I used to have big fights because I would never do a pre-interview. Yeah, because you're a big star. No, because I'm not very good at my job.

So the idea of having to tell a story once and then two nights later have to be funny and tell it again was, I wasn't very good at it. It's really hard to do. And, of course, in those days, also, like, the way the shows were, they thought of themselves, I'm sure, is politically correct. But, like, they just wanted to have the hot actors in the shorts skirt. You know, I mean, you see, to this day, all these, you know, super woke people, but, like, all the actresses who come up.

Right to this very day. I'm talking about, you know, the main late-night shows, Colbert. And it's either tits or legs, but it's a lot of skin. And a lot of flirting. A lot of flirting. Which is gross, because who would want to fuck those guys? I mean, me, I could see. Yeah, yeah.

But not those guys. Yep. I'm with you. I'm right there. I'm right there. And I remember, what was it? Larry King, I think. Before I went on, they said, don't flirt with Larry.

Larry I loved Larry But I wasn't going to flirt with him Well he was married eight times I know And I knew Larry very well Not we weren't flirting Although remember he kissed Brando that time

Yeah that time Brando kissed him Yes What the fuck was that about? Brando I know a little bit about him Weirdo right Because my husband was older than I was and in the business, my first husband. Whose name you retain?

Yeah. Yeah, well, it seemed kind of weird when you're famous to change your name, your last name. I know. That seems chore or something. But, yeah, Brenda kissed Larry King. Yeah, he did. I guess he was just, he was boy. What a genius, but.

I know, what a character. You know, I'm a character, yeah. I'm friends and a lot practical. jokes. He was a friend of my husband, so I was around when he pulled some very, very inter- kid. You met Brando? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. And dish? He was great. He was great, but I'll, just one thing that is, I think, funny. It was funny at the time. He was when my husband's second wife, Ursula Andres. Wow.

Yeah. Was John Derek's second wife? Yeah. She just, there's just never been a face like that ever. When she was coming out of the water in the James Bond. I know. You know? Yeah, when athletic women weren't the style then. You did a little coming out of the water yourself. I think Blake had that in mind.

You look like you still could. Oh, thank you. You look great. It's incredibly well. Back to Brando when he was riding. his autobiography, he actually called Ursula and he couldn't remember whether they had made love or not. He knew they had dated, but he couldn't remember and he wanted her to verify whether it happened or not. That's in Streisand's book. What? Not the same idea, not the same people.

She, it's like, I don't know if you saw this year, put out her autobiography a couple years ago. It's like 900 pages, but it is worth it. It's, I'm not, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm I'm not just saying that because she's a good friend, but it's just such, it's, first of all, it's so obviously her voice. Oh, good. You know, it's not like as told, too. And she, I know she, I'm talking to her many times as she was writing, and she really cared about putting it down. And, like, her life is just amazing. I mean, there was not one guy who worked with her, you know, for decades who didn't try to get with her, you know, from earliest times.

And the best story, apropod of what you're saying, is she, there's a lot of. line in there, it's like a haiku. It's like, did I sleep with Warren Beatty? Maybe. I think so. I don't know. I'd have to think about it. You know, it was like she couldn't remember whether she literally had sex with the biggest Lothario ever in Hollywood. So what does that say about we're not young at all. I think there must be a point of no return where you have so many that you can't remember, I guess. Yes, that's part of it. Certainly a guy like Marlon, well, Marlon Brando, too, who tried to get with Drisand.

Did he? He didn't know that. Oh, yeah. It's in her book, you know. I'm telling you, everybody. And she's bewitching, I can see why. But so Larry King, we're starting on Larry King. I love Larry.

most of when I knew him closely to him, he was married to the last wife, the Mormon, Sean, still around. Yeah, so we're not talking shit about her. But, I mean, it was public record that they, you know, had many marital problems. But, you know, when you would see them out together, it's this phenomenon that you were bringing up that, you know, he's Larry. He's not a terrible-looking guy, but, you know, he's not a lethario, like, you know, some of your leading men, I'm sure.

Tarzan was certainly some... I don't remember the movie well, but I remember thinking, wow, this guy has some great shampoo for a man who lives in the jungle. Right. Because his hair was like fucking perfect. I know. I know.

I mean, he and Jane looked like they met at Equinox. Yeah. He definitely did. But there's Larry, and Sean was like a foot taller. and model looking you know she yeah yeah I can't say anything

my husband was 30 years older than I was so it's hard for me to judge although I do I shouldn't no you can yeah because we learn we grow and we learn life life is judging judging I mean you can be judgeee

which I fucking hate but judging what's the difference well judging is judging is making a choice about your settled opinion on any issue, and that's okay to do. You know, there are some examples that would be obvious. Are we judging pedophilia? Yes.

We're saying, I make the judgment that this is wrong. But judging meaning about everything? Well, most things. I mean, you seem to feel a little guilty about this, and I'm saying you shouldn't. Because all we're saying is humans will human. They're just going to do the humany things. Yes, they are. And with men, look, I'm 70 and never got married.

We don't need to go into why that is, but let's just say water rolls downhill. That's my view. And for men, downhill is women. You know, it's like sex, the urge to be. Yes. You know, the water's always going to roll downhill. Okay. To that.

Yes, yes. With most heterosexual men. Yes. Certainly with gay men for other. our animal behavior. Right. I mean... Well, if you know animals, you love animals, you know how...

Boy, do I. You know the drive. The animal drives very strong. We pretend it isn't in humans, but it is. You know, we both... I'm a Peter board member. I know you. One thing I do know about you is you love horses and care for them. We have a mutual enemy. Usually people say, we have a mutual friend.

Yeah. You know, when you're with me, I got a lot of beefs. I didn't try to start any of them. They're all wrong. But, yeah, Liam Neeson is, I have had a public feud with him. Have I? No, no, I'm just saying, but I know you love horses, so I know you're going to be on my side. His side is, he's pro the horses in Central Park.

Yeah. That's horrible. Yeah, I judge that. I judge that as horrible. Yes. Now, could it be done, could tourists take rides on those horses in a humane way with animals, with horses? No. You don't think so at all.

They should not ever be able to keep willing to carry. Well, certainly not stoned and shitting in a bucket. No. So they're so spirit is broken as they stand all day outside of the hotel. I used to stay at a hotel Corpse from Central Park. It stunk of horseshit. No, it's terrible.

They shouldn't be on the street. Yeah. They should be only in the park. They should give that back field for them to have turnout. I've been through this with people. That back field with turnout in stables, proper living arrangements.

That's what you have for your... You have horses? I do. I do. I have two. I have two. I used to have a lot. Where we differ, I would think,

Because I know I've come up against PETA on a couple of issues is horse racing. I imagine you don't care for that either. I don't. Yeah. And I recently talked to Ingrid Newkirk, the head of PETA, about it. And she said, it's circling the drain. They've gotten it stopped in a lot of places. Horse racing?

Yeah. Do you think it's humane? I don't think it's because of PETA. Yeah, it is. They're really good at lobbying support. Who else would it be? Who else gives it shit? It's a lot of things.

I was a racing commissioner here in California for seven years. Why do you think it's not bad for the horse? You think the horse is okay with it? I think at a certain level, yes. I think in California it's okay. If we're going to use horses at all. But they, I mean, they often break their legs and then they have to be put down.

In the old days, yes, and in certain states and certain jurisdictions. But that's why when Arnold Schwarzenegger, when he was governor, he asked if I would be a commissioner. And he wanted me to look after the horses. And I think you could argue that while I was there, we changed some rules that really made a difference. Well, that's good. But Arnold.

You're not going to. It's okay. But, you know, we don't have to have beef. I don't want to have beef with anybody. No. Disagreements are fine. I know, but it was a great opportunity to learn about the industry and make some real changes. So here's a story that makes sense to this.

I went to a party, a friend of mine, he's a great guy. I love him, and he's become very successful, and now is a beautiful house very near here. but this is like 15 years ago he was living in an apartment but he wanted to have this sort of lavish you know exotic different kind of party so this is in an apartment

I walk in and there's a camel in the lobby of the building and I go up and so it was like yeah some sort of animal themed or you know and then outside you know he's like in an apartment and then like out on the patio is a fucking tiger

and I mean No, no. As a PETA person, I was just getting more and more, and there was roomful A-listers. And I knew some of them were, like, sympathetic to the cost. I was saying, we've got to tell, Michael, you can't have a, okay, this is just not right. And finally, a few of us go up and convince him, and Arnold Schwarzenegener walks in and he goes, I want the seat to Tiger.

It's good. Yes. No, I worked with D.E. Headrun. We went to D.C. and everything on that. The birds. The birds. Are you that, Tippyheadron? Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, she gave up her career for various reasons, but one was to help endangered animals, and especially wild animals being pets. She really fought that. She probably felt guilty about how much they had to fucking torture birds to get that. Oh, it was later when she did a movie called Roar with some wild cats.

One of them took Melanie, was a little girl actress in the movie, took her forehead off in the movie. Yeah. In the movie? In the movie, while they were shooting it, it actually happened. But Tippy learned by working with the animals. She thought she loved them. She had, I think, one or two as pets. But she learned in the process that this is not right.

Wild animals belong in the wild. They do. Did you ever work with them? Oh, Tarzan. You must have, the chimp. Everything was trying to kill me on that movie. All the time. Where was that shot?

That was Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka. You must go where the elephants are, you see. Oh, of course, Sri Lanka. You can ship in the lions, you can ship in the orang and the cheetahs, but you can't move elephants. For those who are geographically stunted, Sri Lanka is off the coast of India. Used to be Ceylon. And then it became Sri Lanka.

And it is mostly Hindu, right? It's a war-torn island. Christian is. There's different factions. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's the world out there.

We're in here. I know. Do you drink? Not anymore. Oh, yeah. It doesn't make me more clever, it turns out. Oh. I know it does you.

And I'm enjoying the God, I see. You smoke? No. Oh. But I used to smoke pot as a kid. Just to, one of the cool things about 10 was the pot smoking. Yeah. You know, I mean, it was 1980, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And in 1980, that wasn't like, I mean, you saw Cheech and Chong did it, but it was like, it just was, I watched it again fairly recently. And I got to say it holds up. I think it does too. It absolutely does. Now, there are some things like it, there's literally. nothing you can look at from even 20 years ago that doesn't have something that you go,

oh, we wouldn't do that today, you know. Yeah. So, but that. Oh, sure, sure. Okay. I mean, like he says, he's, you know, Dudley Moore's writing partner is gay. Yes. Which that itself wasn't done a hell of a lot.

It wasn't. But generally, it does hold up. I mean, it does have a sexist slant because he's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, man who's having a midlife crisis and is lusting after water roll. Of course. Yeah. Water rolls downhill. He cannot help himself.

Can't help it. I mean, that's what's so funny. And when I saw it, I hadn't seen it since it came out, I don't think. And when I saw it a couple years ago, it was like, I forgot that it was such a comedy. They play, I mean, there's just a lot of broad comedy, the bee on the face. Yes. And rolling down the hill. Yeah.

And the hot sand on his feet, which is so gorny. Yes. And you don't even speak until like the third reel. No, I'm hardly in the movie. But then, well, but you are. But when, another thing I forgot, all those ears, you are actually quite good when you do open your mouth. It's a great performance. Thank you.

Yeah, really is. It was written, and I'm working with Blake Edwards. Right. Oh, of course. If he says you did a good job, you did a good job. You can just go home and feel good about it. No, I remember there was a movie star. I won't say who his buddies with at the time

who worked with him in the 80s. And let's just say this movie star was a guy's guy. And Blake said was kind of a guy's guy. I mean, when I saw knowing that all those years ago, when I resaw 10, it kind of figured in my mind. Oh, Blake is kind of a. You know, this guy said he was a dog. You know, I don't know.

Interesting. I don't know if he was. I don't know either. Yeah. But very often those kind of guys married to the saintly Julie Andrews, you know. It was a dame. She's amazing. What is she like?

She's not saintly. She's fantastic. Really? She's fun. Well, you can be both. But she's truly the good qualities of a saint, right? She couldn't be nicer, right? It couldn't be nicer, but she can talk like a sailor with the best.

It's awesome. It's good to know, isn't it? Well, remember, then he put her in SOB? Yeah. And she showed her tits. Yeah. Do you remember what a big thing that was? It was.

Like Julie Andrews is showing her tits? Yep. But no, it's a really, it does hold up and it's, in its broadly comic way, it really does get at that very universal thing that happens in, I can only speak for the men, but the midlife crime. The midlife crisis or the, you know, is this the last time I'm going to be sort of like fuckable, attractive to a, you know, I mean, I have other things in life, but, you know, you don't want to let go of that part of you. Yes. You know, I mean, and. I'm sympathetic to your point? I mean, you still got it.

And I know you're, it's funny because you said you were so much younger, right, than your first husband. But now you're younger. you're the younger, I mean, your husband is now younger than you. Yes. So you kind of like the poster person for the age doesn't matter. It can go either way, it's just the person. Love is love, and it's individual. You can't. I ended up meeting a lot of young women who were with older men. I don't think I had anything in common with any of them. Really?

But they thought we did just because of that one aspect of my life. but, you know, I was 17, and you think you know everything when you're 70. You were 17 when you met John, Derek. And he was... Forties, right? Yeah, he was 46. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm talking to the last one. It's a great age for a man.

No. And... I mean, this has been my whole life. Yeah, and he was going off to Europe. And I used to feel sheepish about it because people... try to shame you about it. And at some point I went, you know what, if everybody else gets to say, I was born this way, and this is my truth. And you know what I mean? All this, you know, if I were to come out as gay, they do, that's your truth. That's what you like you. You were born

that way. Well, I was born. Attracted to younger women. Not just, it's not just physical. There's a certain joie de vivre that, replaces the joie to mine that got up and went. And, you know, you need joie and vive. You know, I've always said that I have some friends that are like you and that didn't get married and they have girlfriends. They treat them well. They don't get married. So they're my heroes.

Because we're not liars. Yes. But men want both and men lie. Husbands lie. And it's the, it's being made a fool of. It's the deceit. That's the problem. I feel very good about the choice I made.

I feel I made a rare choice. It wasn't hard. Well, it is hard. It's hard to stay unmarried when you're successful. Charming as far as. We all know, even though half the town is always beefing with me. I just ignore the hate mail, Beau. Fuck it.

I can't believe you get all this. Crazy. Oh, the woke hate me. The woke hate me. They just hate. It's an animating feature of their life. Yeah. Is to feel superior to people who are morally inferior because they don't agree with them 100% on everything.

So that means you are, of course, morally inferior. And I just won't buy it. I don't go along. And that's okay. The people who love me love my dirty draws. They really do. They do anything for me. They literally say to me, thank you for your service all the time.

when I'm out. So the people who hate me, you know, it's just like it just balances out. Yeah. You know, and you, and if I, if I thought that the people who hate me ever, like, made an honest argument, they're the people who won't talk to me.

The conservatives, who I don't vote with or agree on many things, they're always happy to talk. It's the woke people who are like, because they're not really that bright or learned about what the things they're arguing about, so they don't want to argue with me.

Because they don't have, they just, they, it's, I always say to them, just, just engage on the argument I'm making. Tell me that the argument I'm making is wrong. No, it's always your old or your, you know, your sexist. These are labels. What about the argument? You know, I went to see Barbie when that was out and I tweeted about, I hadn't tweeted in a long time, when I got home. And just to say that it's based on a false premise that we still have a, this, oppressive patriarchy in 23. We don't. There are problems that remain, but it's not a patriarchy, and I proved it because I looked up the board, because there's a real Mattel company, and I looked up their board, it's six, I think it was six and six, six men, six women. In the movie, she barges into the Mattel boardroom, and it's all men. And it's the

present day. So you're literally lying and saying, because we have the facts. Mattel is not. all men. Why did Mattel let them do that as a company? It made a billion dollars. You don't think they sold a lot of... But did it help doll sales? I guess it did, but I don't know. I don't know. I never saw the follow-up, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't. Yeah. Right? Barbie was like all anyone talked about in the summer of 2023. Yeah. Anyway, when I tweeted this out, like, did anyone engage with that actual argument? No. Just, you know, just, you know. Oh, Bill, you're flexing, you're this, you're that, you're old, you don't get it, you hate women.

It's like, just talk about what the argument, just engage, and they will not, because there is no argument. No. I have you dead to write. There is a real Mattel boardroom. It doesn't mean I'm saying there's no problem between the sexes. Sure. But, you know, they're all so very uniform in their thinking, you know. They love this privilege concept, and there is privilege. for white people. Of course in this country. I mean, the legacy of this country is so horrible that all white people are

benefiting from stuff that happened years before. It doesn't mean we did it today. But, you know, today's very different that there's many kinds of privilege. Pretty privilege. That's a thing. I know nothing about that. Well, I know a lot about it. I mean, pretty, pretty. gets you, first of all, you never have to buy a drink. Or a dinner. No, it is. Or a boat. It's an embarrassment of riches.

What? My life. Oh, yeah. My life. And because I had, you know, 200 years ago, my physique wouldn't have been in fashion and my my looks wouldn't have been in fashion. I'm born in the right time. You don't think the way you look would have been in fashion?

No. I've gotten skinny. I would have been considered. skinny and scrawny and and not Rubin-esque and not... No, there is fashion and beauty. There definitely is.

There is definitely a Rubin-esque thing. I don't think that was 200 years ago. I think there was a little before that. Okay. And any time, I think it was past the Middle Ages, but early into the modern era, maybe the 1600s is Peter Paul Rubin.

But anytime society is living in poverty, extreme poverty, being... Heavy. Thank you. Gigantic. Gigantic. Yes. Yes, being a real pie wagon was just the most fashionable thing. Look at North Korea.

Like, there's one fat guy in the country. It's Kim Jong-un. and everybody else is starving, but the king has to be, you know, he doesn't try to, like, stop that. That's a way to signal to the people. I'm regal, I'm royal, I'm different than you. Do you have kids? No. No kids.

Look at you, you and me, no kids. You didn't want them. No, I thought I did just because you do. Everyone says you were going to have kids, and then when I think I hit about 32, I thought, oh, I better start. working on this and scheduling it. You're still married to John? Yeah, I kept waiting for my life to slow down. It never slowed down.

And he didn't say, I want to put a baby in you. No, he didn't want to. He'd had two kids from previous marriage. Oh, right, he was older. So he'd done it. Yeah, he'd done it. Oh, so that's perfect. And so when I thought I wanted it,

then I really started sitting down to scheduling and I thought, I'm not mother material. My husband certainly isn't father material. I mean, he was the most judgmental oddball. Who? And Derek. Your husband? It was a judgmental oddball?

Well, he kind of lived in a fantasy world and was very tough on his children from his first marriage. And that didn't work out well because he was tough. Well, it's funny. And then you look around it, at least back then. I don't think so much now maybe, but back in the 80s, kids of famous people were really struggling. Nepo babies, we call them now. No, but then I think they were left home more.

No, nepo baby. You've heard that term. I have, yes. Yeah, okay. That's anybody who's, and that doesn't mean that. They can't be talented themselves, but it is a big advantage. But I think they grew up with a chip on their shoulder a lot of them, because they were left at home then.

You know what? They weren't brought on the set. They didn't have the nannies where they were in their parents' lives so much. You're right. Things changed. Yeah. It was harder then. Now it's great.

All these kids are very happy. All the ones who were like 20 years old now, Johnny Depp's kid. And, I mean, everybody who's ever been anybody from 20, years ago, their kid is now, like, and the kids are very happy with this. They don't want real jobs. I know. And it's okay, but just, you know, I've heard at times this argument, you know, oh, it's harder for, it's not harder for you. It's not harder for you, especially now. It's definitely easier. Neville babies are everywhere. They really are. They are. And it's okay. And, you know, I was, I couldn't wait to drive. I couldn't wait to get my first job to have my own

money that I could buy pot with. Yeah. Oh, so you did smoke pot? I did. Oh, good to you. I did. When I was in high school. When you were filming that?

I don't know if I really liked it as much as I liked the fact that I was hip and I was smoking. When you film that in 10, were you really smoking pot? No. No, they brought some, they brought some, I don't know, or something. Okay. You made it look real. it certainly was a great fantasy for me.

Well, you said your husband, fantasy, you know, he lived in a... And then he married the fantasy girl. He married the girl who, like... It's so funny the way America, like, gets fixated on, like, one girl for, like, 10 years. Right. You are, like, it happened with Carmen Electra, Pamela Anderson. It's like, for like a whole decade, there's, like, one pretty girl in the whole country. You were that girl.

It turned out. It's just like, no, nobody else. And it's like, come on, isn't somebody else a little? No. No. It's Carmen Elektra again, that's it. And it was like, that must have been, I mean, obviously, gratifying in one way, kind of a burden in another. It was none of those things.

Like I say, not that. It was just a whirlwind because I wasn't, I had no aspirations to be in films. I had, when I did 10, it was just a fluke that I got the part. Oh, really? I had no agent, no manager, no nothing, no fantasies about being in the movies. So it came at me so fast and turned my life around. So I always felt I was kind of catching up, never stopped to think I was just always uncomfortable with my image, being all over magazines when I walked on the street.

And I always felt kind of fake and an environment. posture at the same time because I didn't work as an actress. I didn't or drive a limo or whatever everybody else did to be in movies. It is so funny that so many people they want it to yearn for it so badly and it almost works against them and there's something that reads I think about someone who actually doesn't care if I get this part. It's just like in a relationship. If you have that Like, you know, I could go out with you or, you know. So I'm going to kill me if I don't, you know, as opposed to the thirsty guy who's never attractive to a woman. I mean, a woman is always going to think, well, if he's too good for me, he must be awesome, you know.

And it's kind of the same in the business, you know, it's like, well, if she really doesn't care, I mean, it's genuine. They just feel it. It's like, wow, she's too good for us. We want her. Well, it was that way when I went on. on my interview with Blake. You know, I just came in. It was just a fluke.

A girlfriend said, he's looking for this girl and he wants to meet you because my husband had had a reputation for having beautiful women in his life. Well, Ursula Andrews. Yeah, Linda Evans.

That was his third wife. Linda, who was that again? Dynasty. Oh, of course. The Blonde. Big Valley. Wait, he got with her too? That was his third wife.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Third wife before you? You were the fourth one. I was the fourth. I bought this house from someone who's wife was part of a fifth wives club. There was a fifth wives club out here. And we wouldn't say exactly what part of Los Angeles is in, but a nice,

let's just say a nice one that didn't burn down last year. Okay. Okay. In that neighborhood, yeah. And they were all like, well, I'll just say, they're all Beverly Hills Housewives. And, you know, the fact that there was, if there's something about this business, the fact that there was enough of them to have a club. I know. And they were all.

And they liked to get together? Yes. There was a club. And they were all happy. Like, I took this fucker four marriages to figure it out. And now they were obviously older in life. No, wait. These are women who were individually the number five, or was this from the same man?

No, not the same men. Oh, okay, that's what I thought. Different sort of Hollywood types and moguls who married five times. Is the kind of guy who just, they just get married? They just. They do. And there's another thing that I think happens to is a guy can come on real strong, sweep a young woman off her feet,

right, promise of the moon, then because of his privilege in life, he might water might run downhill, and he starts looking somewhere else. And I think that, you know, certain men who have a certain affluence have more opportunity to do this. Of course.

You're not going to have a guy who really works hard for a living, with five wives. No, no, exactly. Well, I'm telling you, it's a Beverly Hills club. Yeah. And they were all happy. That's what she told me. Like, they were, like it was a, the guy had finally settled out.

It just, oh, they were the last one. The fifth? Yes. So. That happens too, physically. Happened with my father. What do you mean? My father was kind of, was quite a rake.

And he finally. Finally, we all thought, because I'm one of four kids, we thought he'd found the love of his life finally. And later on in life, he said, no, you don't understand. I just, the drive was gone. That's the thing. Yeah. I mean, look, Anthony Quinn had a baby out of wedlock at 80. I know, I know.

So, oh, you know. I know I was doing a film with him around that time. I always thought the poor. I know I was there for the whole drama with his wife and everything. wife must be like 80? How old does this motherfucker have to get before I have to stop worrying about him going out on me? So dramatic, yeah. But, yes, the drive, I mean, but that's always been my issue.

Like, I just, when I, anytime, I'm trying not to be crude about this, anytime I have sex, I just feel like it has to be like I just got out of prison. Or else I don't want to do it. You know what I mean? Kind of, yeah. I mean, it's not the kind of thing. Either you should be very passionate or just don't do it. Like if you used to do it 21 times a week, you know, that's not going to happen, but make the times that you do do it as good as when it used to it.

Like that, you know, that Toby Keith song, I ain't as good as I once was. Right. But I'm as good once as I ever was. Yes. Sweet Toby. Oh, you knew him? Yeah. Why?

He had race horses. Race horses. Good ones. I only discovered his music recently. I think when he died, I was like, oh, you know, I used to make fun of this guy back in 2003 with the Iraq War and he had that song. Those corny songs. Put a boot in your ass. And we made fun.

And I was like, but I never really gave him a chance. And then I listened to, I got his greatest hits. I was like, wow, this guy was talented, and he has some amazingly great songs. And I don't even, I kind of like the boot in the ass one now. And now you do. Well, I wasn't for the Iraq War. Yeah. So that was, you know, I didn't think of the right war to fight.

I like it more for the one we're in now, but we don't want to get into that. And by the way, in my life, I'll just share this with you. There is nothing, and I mean that very literally, nothing more compelling. that I've ever experienced a beautiful woman who's all so great to talk to. You know, that's like that's like everything in life.

Those both ways, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I've never been... It's my favorite thing. I'm just lucky to be around

some really intelligent people that I call friends, and I love nothing more than sitting and talking to them. My best friend is a politician. A politician. Mm-hmm. Can we share that? She's fascinating, just fascinating.

And she brings me along. Who is it? Yeah, Yvambaki. She brings me along. Who is her position? Ambassador to the U.S. from Ecuador. She's Lebanese. Oh, she's from Ecuador.

Yeah. Very, very complicated. How did you become friends with her? In Washington. I was there to work on the horse slaughter bill to stop horse slaughter in the country. Stop. Yes, I do want to stop the slaughter. Yeah, me too.

And that's been a 25-year shit show that. I mean, it's ridiculous. You and Peter then are on the same page there, so let's just be friends on that one. Oh, no, we are friends. Of course we are. Well, I'm going to talk to Andrew. I just, I'll tell you what I like. I like very pragmatic solutions.

Me too. There's a great program that my girlfriend let me be part of in the Galapagos Islands. Do you know Blue Bonds? Blue Bonds. bonds. So there's a way... B-O-N-D-S, financial bonds. Blue bonds. Sure. And for Ecuador to expand their marine preserve by 23 square miles, no, 23,000 square miles, I can't remember. Anyway, it was a huge expansion over 50% of their marine preserve. There was Credit Suisse set up. a blue bond for investment and it was a debt swap. So they got a billion and a half off their

debt that they owed for making this marine expansion. So I like the idea of monetizing. It's too easy for us. In America, we've destroyed our coral reefs and our oceans. And now we're going to say, now you at the Galapagos, because it's an international treasure, you can't fish in it, you can't do this. We want you to not do anything. heart your treasure and it also helped start this incredible super highway for whales and sea life and tell people why the Galapagos is so sacred to nature lovers because it's where Darwin I know you know that's the whole thing with the Galapalos in Ecuador which is on the west coast of South America north of Chile for again the geographically challenged I know some of them are

out there and this is where where Darwin went to study what became the theory of evolution. So it is a sacred place to people who actually like science, actual science. But it also belongs to Ecuador, and we expect them not to put hotels and resorts. Right, I see what you're saying. So we've got to give them something. Yeah, I think you could do both. I think that's one where you could do both.

But we have to, and that's what we did. With Blupons, they got a billion and a half off their debt. Right. Oh, good. Yeah, it's a great program. and now it's going all over. Because a hotel, you know, do it right, and just don't kill the turtles when you build it, you know.

But there's no reason why you would kill the turtles. You could build a hotel without killing the turtles. I feel like that is the essence of pragmatism in politics, right? But this might be the one place left where they won't ever have a hotel. And that would be fine with me too. Yeah. And we might want to keep one. But we have to give them something.

Or build it 20 miles away. Yeah, they have. So you have to take a fucking shuttle bus there. Yeah, there's 600 miles offshore. I went to went to the Hurst Castle. I thought you could drive right up to it. No, you get in a fucking bus, and it's like another 45 minutes. You ever go to the Hurst Castle?

I swam in the pool. Oh, fuck. I know. Oh, you're one of those people. It's good to be me. I swear to God, every in my life still. I haven't made a major motion picture in a hundred years. still doors open for me.

You made the right choice there, by the way. You are not missing anything. What do you mean? Not making movies. No, I don't miss it. You're not missing anything. I don't miss it. You really aren't.

I was an actor in the 80s when I was for a comic, but you know, comics become actors. When we think that's it, it was never supposed to be my path. But, you know, you're young and it's fun and, you know, you do some silly movies. But it sucks. I mean, it's just too many hours. I don't. It's just, when you're doing a movie, all you do is the movie.

It just totally takes over your life, right? Yes, and you sit around all day. You sit around. And it's such a mystery when it's going to work. A complete mystery. It is. Yes. I don't care how much talent you have put in above the line.

It is an absolute roll of the dice. Totally. There's so many things that can fuck up a movie. Editing. Or you can get on the set and the actors don't like each other. Or one wants to do 50 takes and one wants to do one. I know. What do you do that?

Yeah. You know, what do you do when the chimp wants another take in Tarzan? Oh, my God. Yes. No, it's very complicated. And, you know, my husband, John Corbett is, I think, a great actor and a comedic actor. I love him. I love him and everything he does.

Everything he does. I've never seen him like as the, oh, you know what? He was, I think, the lead in, that movie with the cop movie with Keanu Reeves. He was in that, yeah. So great. Street Kings. Oh, my God, is that a great movie? He loved doing that.

He's terrific in that. No, I mean, I've seen him in a movie. a million things. He seems like another one those guys who you just like because, again, it doesn't look like it's that important. There's not this super intensity that's like,

okay, just, you know, I'm just here for entertainment. I'm just at the end of the day and I want to watch something entertaining that grabs me and like, let's not pretend that this is curing cancer. You know, that's a big disease out here. There's something great

and that I respect so much having been in the business of a really good working actor, having been only a movie star for kind of no reason. And the pressures are so different as against having a life, showing up, doing great work, making everybody happy, going home, and not it being all-consuming to you. and that's what he is.

That's awesome. You probably wouldn't get along if he wasn't. I don't. No, and I think he could normally never be with someone who's an actress because of the competition, the why are you still on the set? You're going to be gone for eight weeks. That's why I get it all.

When I was young and like, you know, dating as much as I could, when I first moved out here, late 20s, 30s, I early on stopped going out with actresses for that very reason. Like you'd have a date and they'd cancel it because they got an audition the next day. It was like they weren't lying. They weren't trying to get out of it. It's like that they were blowing me off. They just really had an audition.

And that was what's important to them. Yeah. And I was great. But then I was like, no. And they're a little crazy. They are crazy. You know? I mean, they're high strung.

I mean, there's a reason. why actors like to stay in a state of emotional turmoil, which is not great for your real life as a you, as a human being. But it's great when you're on the set because you have all this that's stirring around in your gut, right? Yeah, you've got to be firing emotionally on anything. So even though the scene is about how, you know, you had sex with the monkey, you know, when you were trialed, you know, it doesn't, not something you really did, but you can channel into because that's what acting class teachers do. No, it's like, and you use that and, you know, I mean, I remember, was I still

acting when my, yeah, when my, yes, my father died. And I remember, it's kind of selfish, but, you know, how can you help the thoughts that go into your mind. I remember thinking, like, right after he died, oh, this would be a good time to have an audition for a really serious part. Because I could cry like so. I mean, all I can do to stop crying for the few weeks after he died, and then my mother, the same thing. Did you?

Well, it's funny. I remember for both of them, it was like, and I think it's, It speaks to the fact that I was fortunate and had great parents and not anything too unresolved, that I was, you know, very chocked up at the funeral. You know, I was supposed to speak. I did speak, but it was very hard to talk with the lump in your throat. So, good. That's how it should be.

And then there was, like, a month after that, when I was home and I'd just be doing whatever I have to do, I had to go back to work and I'm reading or writing or whatever it is, And, like, suddenly I would just like, ah, ha, ha, ha, I'm just, and I remember thinking, I'm so glad I live alone, because I'd be so embarrassed if someone was here and they just saw me suddenly start. And I'd do that for, like, a few minutes, and come back to work. And that lasted for about a month.

And then I was done. That that I don't, you know, love them, but, like, that's the course of nature. Yeah. They were never, they were never supposed to be there forever. What's tragic is when. someone pre-deceases the parent. That's tragic.

And that'll break you. You know, when someone dies too young. Well, when it's your kid. Oh, no, I can't matter. Because you're supposed to die before. I don't know how people go on sometimes. Right. Some of the circumstances.

Not something we'll have to face. Another good reason for... Just my doggies. Another good reason for us doing what we're doing, man. And we're helping the planet. You know, and another thing I thought of when I was thinking about having a kid, you'll get this, but other people don't. I thought, now, thinking about all these different, you know, making a list in my mind about pros, cons, having a kid, I think I spend more time when I decide to have a dog, a new dog than most people do when they have a kid. Me too. And I'm at that place now.

Yeah. My dog, I've always had two. One died in August. Oh, no. Poor Chico had gotten to that point where he's just, he couldn't breathe. So I had to bring in the needle. Because dogs just don't die. Because in nature, they'd be dead years before.

Once they lose a step, you're dead in nature. The other dogs will kill him, too. Right, anything will kill him. But life is partly grief. And we all know that. and it's what I started to say to you when I sat down here, the fact that I'm 70, and I'm here with you today, and I feel fine, you know, we don't take that for granted our age.

The way we did when we were young. I never even thought about it. No. And when I got sick, meaning colds, flu, which I got way more when I was younger. Yeah, me too. Because we were stupid and we lived worse. at least I did

I drank I didn't eat the right food didn't get sleep yeah all that shit but when I got sick it never entered my mind oh this could turn into something bad now if I get a hangnail I'm like is that the first sign of Parkinson's disease

and we go to the doctor every year for our blood tests and our checkups you don't oh are you kidding I used to have one doctor name in my you know know, at the time, Rolla decks,

probably. Now I have like a hundred, you know, like, well, I mean, that's part of it's because doctors are

a big fans of mine and like whenever one comes up to me and it's like, oh, I'm the, I'm the best at this. Yeah,

you are my new best friend. You know what? You, I know. I don't say this to every motherfucker comes up to me, but you,

my friend, are in my phone now. I know. And it's great. Who doesn't want a fan working on you. Yeah, you don't want to be a number or just a name on a file.

I remember when Reagan got shot, which was almost the same, maybe the year after 10 came out and his big quip, which is... Oh, it's great. He was funny, you know, and he said something about to Nancy like, make sure the doctor's a Republican. You know? It was so good. It's so good. Honey, I didn't duck or something, too. Yes.

Honey, I forgot to do. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's the first time I knew that it was him and not his writers and being prepped. I just wasn't sure until then. Well, Gorvidal once said the biggest myth about Ronald Reagan was that he wasn't a good actor. Because they made fun of him. He was not a successful actor. He had a little run.

But, you know, he also made the right choice. I thought he got out when the getting out was good. You know, there are a precious few, even less with women, who can endure into their 50s and 60s. And then you have to just be iconic to be working in your 70s and 80s. We're talking about Robert De Niro, Harrison Ford, Kevin Costner. Yes, if you are so big, you are iconic, Mel Gibson, you can work. But you're playing bad grandpa. And there are only a handful of them anyway.

Not a lot. Right, Michael Douglas. And with Ronald Reagan, he was in the studio system. You didn't choose your parts. We take our good fortune really for granted. I mean, as a society, as people, especially as kids today, who I don't think are well-educated. I don't think they realize how recently in history, how much harder life was. You know, it was really tooth and claws, especially for a woman.

I mean, there was no women's rights. at all, and even in the West. No, my mom had a tough time. What was her situation? Well, born in the Depression. In the Depression. Where? In Southern Illinois.

To a single mother. Oh. And so life was tough. A single mother. But she worked really hard, my mom. And her mom worked her whole life. My grandmother was a single mother. It was rare.

In the 20s. And she told me how rare it was. She told me when she drove, she had to. My mother was really raised by the grandparents in New York because my grandmother had to be on Long Island. That's where her job was. And she said when she was driving a car in the 20s, men would yell at her from other cars.

For what? Like you shouldn't be driving. Oh, no. Really? Right, exactly. I didn't know they couldn't drive. Well, driving was fairly new. Yeah.

And the idea, women only got the vote in 1920. I know, that's right. So we're talking about... And they couldn't get a credit card till, what, 60s, 70s? Really? On their own? Women? Without a man signing their credit card?

Yeah. I never heard that. Yeah. Wait, come on. I think it's 60s. I really do. Women couldn't get a credit card on their own? I believe.

I believe. What about that girl? I bet you she could. What about Mary Tyler Moore? She must have had Ed Asner signing her credit card. That's Mary. That's Mary, that's Mary Tyler Moore. Marlowe Thomas is Danny Thomas.

And you're right. I bet you Marlowe Thomas couldn't get a credit card when she was 18. She needed Danny Thomas. Probably. That's, well, just to the point that, you know, modernity is really modern. It's really new. It really is. I mean, just a hot shower was a rarity 100 years ago.

Yeah, I read that stuff all the time. You know. But at the same time, I don't have a lot of faith in people. Me neither. But we are getting better. I'm saying society. Life for all of us is better. You know who did that?

The pragmatists. The people, the centrists, the plotters, the people, the policy wanks. Hillary Clinton is one of these type of people. The people who just, they're really not that far on either extreme. They just want to make a situation better. They're wonky about it, which you have to be. They're not the show ponies on either extreme. They're not on Twitter.

They don't care about that. There was a congressman. It was always the best congressman. He was out here, Waxman. He did so much to advance practical social agenda issues. We once asked him on the show. He was like, no, I'm busy. I was like, I fucking love this guy.

I fucking, everybody else is like, run thirsty to the microphone. Oh, really? You're going to point a camera at me? I'm there. And this guy was like, no. You can see them perform, bad actors. I'm a congressman. I have a job.

I'm going to do that. Thank you for the offer. But you know, in your argument, you're leaving out capitalism. I love it. I love that. I mean, that's brought us out of poverty. More than a policy. More than anything else.

I'm always trying to lecture the children on this. And I understand why they're frustrated with the economy. It is a sucky kind of economy, especially in an expensive city like this. How the fuck could you live? When I moved here in 1983 from New York where my rent was $3.50, I think it went up to $375. Now, of course, this is 1983. You were in Tarzan. I was on West Mountain.

in West Hollywood. Okay, you were doing better than me. All right. We don't have to dwell on that. But, you know, you could walk the streets of West Hollywood and just

look at this. Every other house had a sign rent for rent. You know, so there wasn't this, everybody's just trying, now to get an apartment, you have to like bribe the person because there's so many people waiting to take that apartment.

And it's like a shoebox for like $800 a month would be the least you could. No, inflation is. I don't know how these people live. No wonder they're all on only fans. I want to know how so quickly Bill Clinton balance the budget. Right. Zero. I remember the big, remember you held that big sign with a zero on it?

Right. Well, because the... Because we need that right now. So we can start all over again and get a big inflation and then come back to zero. I mean, at some point, this balloon has got to pop. It's 39 trillion. Do you know that our GDP for the first time now, I think since World War II or maybe ever, but our debt is higher than the GDP?

We owe more than we make as a country. I mean, you know. I don't know enough about economics to. to understand how that's all going to work out for us? It's not going to work out. But, you know, Trump's view, because he's, you know, a shy story of businessman, is that when you have a debt that big, that's the debtor's problem. I mean, the person who holds the debt.

Because what do you? Yeah, the lender. Yeah. Because what are you going to do? We're your partner now. Oh, you want to put us in jail? Well, then you're really not going to get your money. Yeah.

So we're going to pay back 50 cents on the dollar. He's actually said that out loud. Yeah. He really does. He's like, that's how you do it. And you know what? He's not wrong. It's not morally correct, but he's not wrong.

Like if you have the choice between getting nothing and getting 50 cents on the dollar, I mean, when we had the crash in 2008, I had a lot of my money in Lehman Brothers. They were the first ones to go. And there was like, oh, well, now there's a line of people who were in Lehman Brothers. and, you know, depending on how much you had in or who you blew or whatever it was, we'll see how much money you get back on the dollar. It was not 100 cents on the dollar.

No. It was whatever we're going to fucking give you on the dollar. And you just took it. Well, that's the debt swap in Ecuador. That's what they get. Yeah. You buy bad debt. You buy bad debt.

I mean, this country is just so stupid. And this state is so ridiculous. This state. Why are we here? It's so beautiful. Because of the sun. You know where I live out in the country, it's just stunning. It's stunning here.

It's stunning everywhere. It's just stunning. It's like you. Lucky from nature. Yeah. You know, just a freak of nature this place. There's no other place you can name. That's one hour away from the ocean, the mountains, the desert.

You can be in Palm Springs. You can be in big bear. You can be swimming in the Pacific. You'll get a disease because it's polluted. but you couldn't do it. I mean, it's just an amazing place. And the problem is that the sun here is like what oil is to oil-producing countries, especially third-world ones like Ecuador.

It seduces you. You don't have to do anything else for the people when you have oil. What the cartels have done to these countries, to their economies, to their corruption, to their quality of life, to the kids, young men having to be in gangs. It happens so fast now. There is a machine that comes into a country, and within a few years it's already changing.

And it's very sad. And it's, I'm sorry, it's all because we want to get high, here, basically. And your point is? And my point is, when the buying stocks may be this black market corruption, violence will stop. I want drugs to be decriminalized. I do. I want it to be criminalized today. Don't we learn anything in the

prohibition? On this show, I want that to happen. Prohibition created the mafia. Of course. We learn nothing. I know, but because there's money in it, honey. That's what it? I mean, there's so much money in keeping it illegal. And do you think the... Why is

a congressman from Sacramento wanting to keep drugs illegal. Because he's lobbied by the people who want to keep it illegal. Because he takes money from the liquor industry. Do you think the liquor industry wants the competition from this?

If only people would understand, you can use them together, and it's fantastic. You don't have to be fighting. But no, I mean, anything, I mean, why did everybody have... No, this isn't making sense to me. Why did everybody have to get a COVID shot? Even people with natural immunity. natural immunity, which we always used to respect.

But in COVID, no, just get our product in you. And I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just somebody wants to decide which ones I want. Yeah, if they had never, I remember the buildup to that it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. And I think if they had just left it, here it is, this vaccine, it's available to anybody who wants it. I think probably more people would have taken it. But when you tell Americans you must, that's a problem. But even more that bugs me is the natural immunity thing.

I mean, for the people who are like, we're the science people. Well, there was nothing that was more settled science than natural immunity is the best. So if somebody has natural immunity, if they got this, I know a lot of people who got it like, they were like, oh, you know what, I got sick in like November of 2019. I bet that was COVID. Yeah, I bet it was. I bet it was. And you could test it.

Okay, doesn't matter. Get our shit in you. That's when I go, okay, now the fix is in. Now you're telegraphing that you just want to get your product in me as much as you can. And you know what? There are things that could come along. There's this hauntavirus now where I want your product in me. But I want to decide.

You want to decide. I want to decide when I want your product in me. I say that about sex stories also. Also. I want to decide. Yes. Yes, for sure. I've never used a sex story.

I mean, I feel like if you have to use something... No judgment here. I told you before, Bo. We got to judge. I don't... No, no, no. We can judge. We can't be judgey.

No, but you've been married twice. Both seem to... I mean, you were married to John to the end, right? Yeah, until he died. I mean, it wasn't a divorce. That was... No, it was still he died. Suddenly.

Of what? Aortic dissection. What's that? That's where your aorta, it ruptures and runs like a... Oh. Like, what's his name, the actor, the great. That's what Alan Thick died of. Did he?

Yes, he was a very good friend of mine, and he was 69 years old, and he was playing hockey with his kid, his 18-year-old. year old is from the third wife's club I think they were married and she and he just suddenly and the heart just ripped apart and you know in a way

if you have to go that's not the worst way because you're right to the moment you die you're living your best life he was hockey he was Canadian doing the thing he loved with his 18 year old kid who he loved and then suddenly it was and it was

Like, I remember the kid telling me, they took him into the room and they looked, and it was like, this, there's nothing left. I mean, we could not put this back together. And this was set in motion from the day he was born. Like a genetic defect or something. That little flaw was in there from the beginning. And it was just going to take the number of years it was going to take. And then it was going to. It's going to happen.

Yeah. And ironically, he used to, whenever we'd see him. movie or a TV show and the guy would grab his chest and say, I think I'm having a heart attack and drop dead. He always said, lucky son of a bitch. So it was weird that that's the way he went as a lucky son of a bitch. It gave me some peace that he went that way. He wasn't going to get old. He didn't like it, the idea of getting old. No one likes it. No. But when it comes around? Fast. I mean, fast. And also, I've heard people say, yeah, I have don't want to be 75.

Yeah, where do you're 74? Kidding. I mean, if it's one thing about humans, we want more. We want more life, especially if our lives are good. Yeah. Our lives are good. We're lucky. We're very lucky.

I'm still riding horses. I don't know how long I will be riding horses. Right. That's my basketball. But yeah. I still play basketball every day, but I don't know how long. I don't know how long it's going to be. But right now, it's still great.

And I'm in a hurry to get all I can out of it right now. You're in a hurry. I'm in a hurry to ride as much as I can. Travel. Travel. You know, you sit in an airport and you see... I can't travel. Well, you'd fly private, right?

Even that I can't do. Why? I'm just, it just, I just can't. What do you mean you can't? It's just too much. I did it for, I was on the road for my whole life. Oh, okay. It was a stand-up comic.

Every other weekend, I was out, you know, dragging myself. of bed after a full week working on my show and I loved it and I went into a Cincinnati or Kansas City or wherever and it was but I just you know you just know when it's over and I just I I like waking up every day here in California with all its flaws because as I was saying the sun's like the oil it it it seduces you into accepting almost anything and it does I mean I lived in in New York. I grew up on the East Coast. The idea that there are almost no bad weather days here, I mean, there's rain, which we need, and I actually like, but it's pretty much confined to one season. It's, matter how hot gets in the day, it's usually cool at night, which is awesome, as opposed to the muggy East Coast.

Yeah. And sun is just part of what we need to survive. It gets demonize the sun, like the cholesterol, you know, they love to demonize these things. It's like, no, you need cholesterol. You need sun. You need some sun to convert vitamin D, and it feels good. So don't overdo it. But, you know, I remember living on the East Coast, gray days. I was born here.

I'm California, a Southern California. Oh, you are? Mm-hmm. You were born in, you know. A surfer, a sailor? You're a surfer and a sailor. I was. I don't do it anymore.

A sailor? My father worked for a sailboat company. Oh, and a surfer. No, I was a lucky kid, a very lucky kid. Well, I'm a lucky guy to just have gotten to talk to you. I could not tell you how thrilled I was when I heard. I said, really? She's going to do this show?

Because I never see you do anything. No. Well, I'm never promoting anything anymore. And you don't need to. No, I'm loving my life. I know. I don't need to go back to work. That's the coolest thing in the world you can be.

It's very strange. People don't understand it because it's something that so many people anyway, that expression they would kill to do it. To be famous, to be in movies. And not for some of us. I know one person in the world who has no hopes and dreams, no ambitions, and is the happiest person I know. Yeah. Because everybody else is sort of tied to this, well, if I just make my hopes and dreams come true. And very often they don't, or they're not as you dream them.

It's very rare that your hope and dream comes. And if you're just like, no, I'm just going to skip that part and go right to being happy. Yeah. Skip the thing that's going to do so and so make me happy. I love retirement. And go right. Me too. I'm so happy in retirement.

Who was it? It was on your show, I think. Galloway. Yes, Scott Galloway. I think he was talking about the bullshit of do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life. No, do what you're good at. And then you'll make a good living and you can do what you want.

And you live in Santa Barbara now? North of Santa Barbara. But I've been there since 81. Well, someday you and I should meet in the middle with our significant others. I'll meet you halfway. What's halfway and we'll have dinner, I hope. Yeah. What's halfway?

Ventura. Yeah, Ventura. Or Santa Barbara. Or all the great restaurants. Santa Barbara. How about Santa Barbara? Did she ever go to Santa Barbara? Of course.

I went to Salvin. Oh, yeah. Christmas week. That's about. What? It's funny. It's so funny. It's Christmas year around there, you know.

Christmasy, it's a Christmas town. I know. It's a Solvang. It's a, it's a, Valley, it's the Danish capital of the United States. Exactly. That's why the windmills, mini Tivoli garden. Sweetheart, I was just there.

I'm eight miles from there. Really? Yes. Okay. Well, we went there. It was the funnest day because they take their Christmas very seriously there. Yes, they do. And so, like, this was a week before Christmas.

Oh, it's fun. Of course. Yeah, it's so cute. Yes, it was so cute. And you know what they do? You go to the visitor center and you have to search for gnomes. This is like one of the Danish... Is it a game?

Yes. They're hidden all over town, and you get a thing with clues. And then you got to like... You didn't do it. Of course I did. Of course I did. It was awesome. And we were...

Are you kidding? We were very high. Yeah, I was good to say. I'm not going to say we found a lot of the gnomes. But I remember going, I was very high. I go up to the visitor center desk and then the ladies there. Just, Merry Christmas. I was great.

I said, we want to talk to Santa Claus. He said he's not here. I said, what? This is solving a week before Christmas. Are you fucking kidding me? I want to see him and I want to see him. Sir. We don't really get a lot of trouble here Christmas.

Are you going to be a problem? I was like, no. Okay, give me the map. We'll search for the gnomes. And you'd get the clues and we'll search for the gnomes. That's hilarious. I've never heard of that. With you this year, if you want.

I'm going to check into that. We're all going to go. We're all going to numb hunting. Nome hunting. All right. Thank you. So much. I appreciate it.

Oh, it was fun. Oh, good. I'm glad you think so. Okay, I'm glad I got to know you. Yeah. That wasn't scary at all. No. And it certainly went better than the pre-interview.

Can you mention the pre-interview for that?