Club Random with Bill Maher - Boy George | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: October 29, 2023

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And then, you know, sort of doing the first gig in Long Island. People uptown and stage up, people actually saw us. They were all right. If the lyrics are nothing like, get back. I mean, the lyrics, it's just gobbled to go. Let's try scum and comedian. Hello. George are you hiding somewhere?

No I'm in my- In my- Delay is gonna be gone. Dan of an equity. How are you? Don't get up. I know. I'm nothing going on.

I'm like stuck here. Wait, play a song about you. I'm not sure to meet you. It's good, you. Wait, I'm not sure how much you've done. I'm not sure how much you've done. It's good, you know. Wow, I knew you'd have a head on. Well, I did do basically. That's a classy one, I like it. I actually have this made literally in the last two days. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I hats are in transit because we're on tour. You mean a fan made it for you? No, a hat maker. But a fan?

No. No. A fan for us. It's not free. Why aren't they a fan? Maybe she's a fan. A lot of people who make hats are fans of mine. Millenous and make-a-bats.

How bad. It's people that sort of work around the head. And why do you suppose this is a tutorial, Joyce? What does that say about you, a person that they want to wear hats? Is there something you think that, I mean, it's a, some people are hat people and some are not, but it's a minority. When I was a teenager, I didn't have great hair.

I had it like when I was a kid, I had amazing hair, I could do a lot with it, and I did do a lot with it, but I tortured it. The little hair I had, I had very thin hair. And I was like, oh, no, it's got thinner. So I, although I have hair, I do have hair quite as much as you. I approve it. Do you want me to move that?

Oh, half hair. Oh, you have a nice hair, though. Yeah. But I just love hats, because they kind of just extend the moment. They add a sort of certain, yeah. And also hats, as you just said rightly, there are people and there are people who look so ridiculous in hats, because hats have to wear you.

And that might sound crazy, but that is the fact. You know, when I learned to lighten life, I mean, thank God I learned at some point. Like when I was younger, I would obsess about every, when I was much better looking, of course, good, you're younger, obsess about every little flaw and like, I realized when I was much less good looking,

people when they see you, including sexual attraction from the opposite sex or the same sex or whatever farm animals, whatever you're into, but they make it immediate sort of, just have overall impression. And it's like, I guess they take in whatever flaws we have or lucky some people have done. And it doesn't matter. It's like, oh they take in whatever flaws we have or lucky some people have done

And it doesn't matter. It's like oh There's a tractor person or in treating or there's something about them that like turns me on and it's not about the the detail Sometimes it's power Sometimes it's fame Sometimes it's right Financial or sometimes everything you're a swagger. I know it's to feel like you can't separate the person from everything they do, what they wear. No, I'm just saying, it's kind of a whole packet.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, we take in the totality of Boyd George, you're an iconic figure. What I think I, and we want you to, it's like Mickey Mouse without whatever... But it's not interesting, it's not Mickey Mouse, where? But you're not being attractive, that's interesting, because obviously when I was a kid,

people said, oh, you're doing your daughter so pretty, that's what I got when I was a kid. And I read it, yeah, a little girl, they say, my mom, your daughter's gorgeous, and she said, really driving crazy, and then I think it was the point where I thought, oh! There's mileage and the feminine thing thing. I can start encouraging it when I discovered makeup. You know, I was joke that I create myself from cardboard and glitter because once I discovered

makeup and discovered what I could do to my quite plain face in a way, that was when it started to really change my relationship with the world being attractive. You know, my friend is Chris Reed. He's kid in kid in play, member of the rap group. Yeah, yeah, I do, yeah. Okay, so, you know, we joke all the time because he's approaching 60. And when you're named kid, you know, it's a little like, do you remember the band, Sergio Mendez and Brazil 66? Are you two, you know?

I've heard the name, yeah. They sang the look of love. Oh yeah. You know that's all, still a hot song. And Brazil 66 may have been a little short-sighted to call yourself, or 20th century Fox. Yeah, I mean, the boy thing is, I kind of like it, you know, it's kind of like part of my brand now,

even though it's kind of a scary thing for a punk to say. Look at you, you made yourself into a brand. That's getting pretty high in life, don't you think? Well, you must feel pretty good about how the whole thing came out in the wash. No, I like to mess around with the concepts of what I am. I don't really want to be particularly comfortable. I like to, you know, because you can end up being in a sort of career

that you don't really enjoy. So you've got to be careful of that, you know what I mean. You know, you're a rare exception. I like your last album. I've never met a rich one. It starts with God and love. Oh, you're talking about, yeah, this is what I do. The one about my god is bigger than your god. That's a different one. But I'll go to love, got a lot love god in love god in my songs Yes, and the one of the more of a question than it's sort of More of a question than anything. I think that's why it appears like in my work. God love religion faith

but I Like a little like I feel about Sinatra why like this I feel like I feel about Sinatra. Why, like, is later stuff much more than the early stuff? Well, I think that's good though, because I think it's rare. You've got to get better. You've got to get better, you know. But most musicians, but in it, we're in initially,

it's always the same. I think it's the same. You can't get better. A lot of people tell you all the time, that like, you have to stay loyal to what you created 30 years ago, and as an artist, you know, that's kind of boring. That album is very masculine, I feel. So am I. No, shock. It's a geezer.

Even that kind of thing, you know, I mean, I understand people nowadays kind of rejecting those rigid terms because I think, when you're in the public eye, once you say you're gay, it becomes this kind of thing that dances the head of you. And I was saying, my gayness takes up about four hours a month if I'm lucky, if I'm lucky. Really? Yeah, I mean, I don't go around like eating gay bread and drinking gay cups of cappuccino and having gay almond milk and gay kale. I mean, I don't go around like eating gay bread and drinking gay cups of cup of Chino and having gay arm and milk and gay kale.

I mean, I live in the world. I know. I live in the world. My pets, my pets are all gay. I have any pets. But what I'm not saying. Not as all-consuming for me as what I've been doing at a long time. What about you?

What about you? What about you? What about you? What about you? Well, you still look boyish. You can wear that name now. Well, it's good because foundation makes us fit. Well, whatever it is, I'm against it.

You're still pulling it off. And I don't know how old you are. I'm 62. 62. Yeah, your poem went off great. You're just like, you're what I'm always trying to do with this point of my life, because I'm even older than that

by five years, is you just wanna look generically middle-aged. Yes, late middle-aged, but just generically. I don't know if I've ever used to a generic. Well, I just, as opposed to like, I'm gonna have to draw a different type of viral. You know what, the people at some point on TV get to the point where like, they just, I don't know,

you know, it's just a distraction. And people don't like to look at like old people, like who look old, it's just so you probably... Well, there's always filters, I think men, I mean, I'm sad, I don't know what, what it's gonna be like for me as I got older, because there's the point where you can't really fill in the cracks with makeup, there's the point, you know.

Bowie got it right, in his late years, he always used to wear a bit of black hole, a little bit of cheek, but he never went for a full foundation. Like actual call. No, like there's a call pencil. It's a black... Oh, I see. It's like a rock and roll like a man liner. Yeah, you got to wait with that.

You know, rock stars, you guys can do it. It would not work for me. I think you get away with a bit of GuyLiner. What? If I brought... Oh no. I reckon what you'll make a part of Stinnage, a bit of GuyLiner, it would make a difference. That GuyLiner would crash into a porn.

It actually, like, you're not trying. It has to be really smudged. No, I can't pull that off. I mean, I... But also, maybe that's what... Because I know you probably think, like most people now that sexuality is always on a sliding scale, but I feel like

I'm fully heterosexual. No, I'm not. So, in scale. Yeah, no, I think that there's a certain point where you kind of know what you like, whether it's sort of food, religion, you know, fashion. Right. Also, like straight men do look at other men and, you know, they dress the same and they

admire fit people, you know, Tom Brady, you know, the good looking boy at school. You know, you're so right about that, lady. Everybody loves a good looking boy at school, the guy that's the, and the top of the team, you know, the best swimmer. There is none. Yes, all the girls. That's the same. But I think that, you know, it's kind of normal.

I don't think that's weird. What's normal? People are meant to like, yeah. For people to say someone else is attractive regardless of whether they want to sleep with them. Right. You can say someone's attractive, whether you want to sleep with them. Right. You can say someone's attractive whether you want to sleep with them or not. In fact, you can say someone's attractive even if you don't want to sleep with them.

There are people that you sort of go, yeah, you know, someone will say to you, oh, is that person attractive? You say, yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily want to cook him breakfast. I wouldn't want to, you know, I wouldn't chase after someone like that. But, you know, it's, I think attraction is super random. But Arbucci, you've cooked a few people breakfast. Do you know what?

Not as much as you think. I'm a bit of a nun when it comes to me. Really? Well, think about it. Like, you kick him out before we... No, I've always been a bit of a serial relationship person. Oh, really? It's been a bit of a weird monogamous.

Partly because I can't be bothered. Right. Also, at this point, me going on an app, forget it. I mean, it's just all I get is, oh, you look a bit like Boy George. And then if they turn up at your house and you haven't worn them, you have to hide all the hats. LAUGHTER

Turn around all the pictures of you with the Pope and this one and I'll be sure to, surely you at this point in your life have someone out, a hat person. Who does that? Charles, the hats. I think if I was, if I had my tree house, I might go on the apps, you know, cause that would be a good place, I could sort of, you know.

But yeah, no, I feel like that world is not open to me. So I don't bother. Yeah, you said you don't like surprises. You said you only had four hours a month or a week or whatever. What was it a day? You were gay. I mean, that's not a lot of hours. Well, I think in terms of like what other people might pursue, because you know, the thing about being a gay man in the public eye, you do spend a lot of your time explaining what your life is like, and my life is kind of just like yours. Well, you know what, it's so funny.

You know, when we passed finally gay marriage in this country, and it had failed on the ballot in states 35 times, 30 over 35, and then suddenly the Supreme Court made it the law of the land. And people saw what they saw was gay people showing up at the courthouse to get married. And this was like a big moment for American heterosexuality. Because we saw oh, there was like people in sweatshirts, shlubby people who looked just like regular. Exactly, exactly. We're like the criminal and-

The best of you, not every gay person is well kept. I told group, sometimes they're a little bit referendumed the edges, which is more my type of thing. LAUGHTER People are very clean these days, Bill. You know, straight men shave everything, green everything. Shave their ass hole.

I know straight men have spent longer in the bathroom than I do. How do you, you can comprehend? How do you even shave your ass hole? There's no these new great things now. Should we do another? But there's this thing, there's this new thing called man's cake.

It's like a gadget and it doesn't cut you. It's amazing. I don't mean that. I mean, what position do you get into that you can like, yes, see you're, I guess you got to do it in the mirror. You just got to be like this in the mirror. So although, although people that do it,

there are places you can go. I bet you can't do it if you're too heavy and out of shape. I mean, it's something you need to be a little limber to do. It's not an attractive photo. If I wanted it, I did. It's not an attractive photo, I'm finna see you look. No. But it does make sense that you would do that.

Do people get it waxed? Brave people get it waxed. So that you then never have to... Oh, no, I think it's just quick. Don't look. What? It's going to be quick, you know? That's why the shaving is good. They left your shaver. Oh. I think you know, that's why the shaving is good.

They left your shaver. I think you know, I think you're the... I was like, don't I met you? Take the photograph out to the hairdressers bin and then we'll let that soft-tongue. Anyway, my point is, I think health should come first and so with waxing, it's not... But health and sanity, if I connect to... But in the air, it's on your body, or there for a reason. You know, they're silly.

I mean, it's very important. It's like a filler. It's like you see a little insect and it's got its antennas and shit. But that doesn't mean you can't move things around a bit. I mean, you can, but you're basically disabling one of your body's defenses. Are you against men having transplants on the hair?

No, you can grow a penis out of your head for all that care. You have one son. I do what you want. I'm just saying, I always think of the health reprecations first, and I feel like we're losing that. I think that's a personal decision for the person. It is. Exactly.

And you can make that. You can say to yourself, I will live 10 years younger, but I'd rather live it as blah, whatever. X people like eat a certain way or, you know, people to smoke. I like this painting. Who did this painting? Yes, I don't know. It's really cute. What art do you have in you?

Are you an art person? I make art. Oh, you do. I make it more than buy it. It kind of ended up sort of you hanging your own stuff in your house or whatever. I started yeah kind of yeah like kind of I do photography I do I do anything that's sort of to do with visuals. It's excites me you know what I mean words photographs paintings I do, I do like these quite humorous, I'm not flattering, I'm not kind, I'm not trying to make you look like you look, I'm trying to find like you high or I don't know, having your own shape.

Well it's good luck trying to do it with me buddy. You've got a challenge on your head. Yeah, just kind of, you know, you're trying to get the humour of a person. I think humour is important in what I do. Anyway, I think the sarcasm humour... Yeah, you always... ...pick up on things before they sort of become, you know, major concerns for everyone else. So it's funny how that happens, but I think as a musician, you kind of... I don't know if this is true or not, but you feel like you pick up on things before they sort of become

I mean, I'm trusting to have a people. I remember when you first I mean I'm old enough to remember the 80s so remember when you were first there and on the scene and like it was Like people thought this this guy is cool. They just liked it. It was cheeky and there was humor in it and I feel like the certainly the group I hung with which I thought was a pretty smart hip group. They all liked it. It all worked. You know it was uh oh god I feel like the song, the way we were, memories. Yeah, I mean, it was like the corners of my mind. That's a great lyricist who did that.

It was exciting to come to America for the first time, you know, having bumped into, I remember the manage of that band Spand I Balley, it got called The Dagger, it'd come up to me in the street and said, you know, they're playing your record in America? Do you really want to hurt me? They're playing it on like country radio or something, maybe random. And so, yeah, coming out here for the first time

was amazing and then, you know, sort of doing the first gig in Long Island where we walked out on stage and people actually saw us, they were horrified. What is it? So, like, whenever I read about bands that have been around for a long time and they've got the story, the enrolling stow on her vanity fair, whatever, but like, they're still on the road, it's always like harping on this idea of what they used to do on the road.

And now Mick eats macrobiotic only and he has a blood. I've always been that person though. Ever was been that person. Really? I've always put a macrobrotic chefs on tour. Really? Yeah.

But you never were, you did drugs. Yeah. I saw that it would take ecstasy and then have some cram produced in the morning and think that was going to help me. You know, like I would like add some oranges or eat some seeds. You know, it's that kind of... That was your drug, Eiffiffy. No, no.

No, I had a few. A few drugs. Yeah, I was on a few. I was on heroin for a while. I think I read about that. That was a big one. That was I wanted I was on a few. I was on heroin for a while. I think I read about that was a big one. That was the most in all consuming moments. We do heroin. It makes the press. You know, like the other drugs they're like, well, come on. He's a rock star. He's gonna.

Well, it's the hell of drugs. Isn't it? How are we going to the hell of drugs? Would you get off heroin? How long how long we want heroin? About three or four years. How were those years? How long how long we on heroin about three or four years how were those years Really good if you got the heroin I think it was kind of yeah kind of Like a void like a foot like almost like not really a lot happened But there was chaos, but it wasn't like it was almost like being in a bubble Which I think that's what that stuff tells it puts you in this kind of bubble like state where You almost forget who you are what you're supposed to be doing which can be quite nice So you get hooked on Horace, huh?

The white lady exactly and then you kind of I see these days. It's easier to come off then it was like Once you got off it you didn't really ever want to go through that again, so I mean Right, I've never gone back for that very reason just like oh,'t really ever want to go through that again. So I mean, I've never gone back for that very reason. Just like, oh, I wouldn't want to go through that. But now there's, I think it is easier to not that I'm advertising. That's a good answer. No, although there, I mean, it's rare, but there have been heroin addicts who did it into older age.

Yeah, functioning. Yes. I think heroin addicts are quite common. I think William S. Burrass. Yeah, of course. Right I think that's a quite common. I think William S. Burras. Yeah, of course. Right. You know, I'm talking about that. But we loved Burras. Yes. Yeah. That's a great photograph. Did he, wasn't he the one who liked that? I have a painting. I did have Amy Boyenhouse, the William Burras. Oh, wow. But it was an imaginary. It wasn't obviously they would never have met.

But I decided that they hadn't met. Why was she your friend? Not friend, but I was but I saw some of myself in what she was going through. Well, whenever these Janice Joplin, Amy Whitehouse, Cineco Conner, whenever they, I know, something about young women in that business and then dying, and it's like it's sad

or even the most sad and there's a lot of sad. Yeah definitely we're both of those. Well anyone you know anyone that goes through that I mean but she made I worked with so that was a different type of relationship which all sorts were both Irish you know so I always loved it from the minute I sat eyes on it really. I'm kind of worked with a couple of years ago. We did a cover of a Yoko Ono song called Death of Samantha on a dub record and I got to come in and she was hilarious, farting, burping, being complete. I must say, you'll just respect intended, but I've never heard the phrase cover of a Yoko Ono song.

Love Yoko Ono.. Love Yoko, no. Did they hear the music? I'm not familiar. I'm not putting it down really. I'm definitely not familiar. I mean, first of all, my lyrics are insane. I mean, I would say that a lot of my favorite singers, Dylan, Yoko, that's a weird one. No one picks the okay.

Let it come in, Lou Reed even. They had a kind of lazy approach to singing. It wasn't really, that wasn't necessarily, it was more about the, what I have to say than what I, No, the way you put it was perfect. Yeah. I mean, Lou Reed, like, was such a powerful influence on Bowie and on people like me. But your music is so much more happy and good and melodic, you know, more pop and that's not an insult.

But I mean, Lou Reed, sorry, not my, and Yoko Ono, here's my own, and look, I just had Julian here. You don't think vicious? I know he loves his rubbish. Fishes. Mmm. Is that he hooked? He'll be with a flower.

That's Lou. Oh, Lou. Well, you know, Barry produced, um, um, um, transformer. It's very popular album. Lou Reed, maybe he hated it. But Lou Reed, I think I'd say, I think I do. But you're right. I don't, I'm not that familiar.

I actually think Melody played a big part in all of those people. You know what we all know. Yoko Ono from is John's last album, Double Fantasy. Right? But check out my version of Deficitement for which is the beautiful Yoko. I don't say that as a self-promotion tool. I will. No. We're on it. You know. I don't say that as a self-promotion tool. I will. No.

But, you know, the lyrics are amazing. I love self-promotion. People say I'm cool, I'm a cool chick baby. Like, you have to listen to it. Lyrics mean nothing to me if I don't like the song. I don't like the person. LAUGHTER Well, if you can't even get to the song, she hates the person more than the song.

I'm interested because I kind of like a song and like an artist without having to like the artist. I've had a few of those but encounters in my life with people that I loved that was were disappointed when I met them a little bit like, ooh, yeah. But still, I was able to go, oh yeah, but I still love the music. John Lennon, like famously, okay, moved to New York in 1970 when the Beatles broke up. Never saw his homeland again for the last 10 years of his life, like was just, for the first five years, he was making albums, but his heart wasn't in it.

He had some few good things, and then in 1975 he, like, withdrew, didn't do anything. That was when he, that song, watching the wheels. I'm sitting and everybody says, I'm crazy. I'm lazy. I'm just lying in bed. But, and then finally, he kind of came out of that at the end of the decade and he put out the album, Double Fantasy, with the awesome single starting over. Phil Specter, Wall of Sound, excuse me, I love pop music. So come on, that song started. It was amazing. Okay. But intention is everything. Intention is everything. You know, you're fine. I know. So that's a far from Lou Reed. Not that far. Really? I that's far from Lou Reed that that far.

Really? I watched this thing with Lou Reed recently. I was supposed to post it to you. I don't have my phone where a journalist said to Lou Reed, are you homosexual or transsexual when you guys sometimes? And you guys, you guys, which one of you more than you guys? Why does it matter? Right. And I feel that's why I love Lou Reed.

Yeah. It doesn't give a shit. What I'm sure I'm rocking rollers and supposed to give? Right. And that's why I love Lee Reed. Yeah. Well, I'm sure I'd rock and roll isn't supposed to give a shit. I'm sure I would love this. I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this.

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I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. I'm sure I would love this. Slippet song in here. But if I just, that album, his comeback album, right before he died, it was on the charts as he was assassinated. All right, then we're up for it. Okay, he had a bunch of great new songs. Woman, I mean, it was really great, let it stuff. Interspersed with a Yoko song, and this is back when you had to play it as a record, spinning around.

Okay, so... Something that I don't know how to say. back when you had to play it as a record, spinning around, okay? So... It wasn't that hard that we all were a little pissed off that we had to keep getting up and moving the needle because we didn't want to listen to the yoke. We tried it, maybe it's great and it's us who's not worthy, but that's worth it. She has an album called Rising, right? If you want to kind of experience a kind of nice piece of kind of collective yoga, what that album Rising is great, trust me. On your recommendation, I am gonna give, I give everybody a chance.

You're right, I don't know it well enough. I know it for, I know I don't like this stuff that was on double fantasy, but I've covered two songs by Yoko, Deficit Manfer and another one called New York Woman. New York Woman. New York Woman. Well, I think we've all... Tell a punk rock. We've all heard this.

We've all heard this. We've all heard this. It's crazy. I think we've all... It's worth a melody. Wait, I gotta jump to you. I think we've all heard the phrase, three-cord song.

That's my favorite. Okay. We have rounds about this all the time. You know what Yoko says? Well, you are free. I've had that joke before. But we had this argument at the beginning of the tour. We were in the tour. Me and guitarist Roy started arguing about a particular song I loved and he was like, it's got three chords. I said, about listen to all the songs. They've ever been number one at Free Chords. At hundreds of notes. But I feel like every, I mean, it's amazing to me,

honestly, when I listen to new music, which I try to do all the time, it's not new now, it's new to me. But like, how can there be new songs? There's only so many notes and so many chords. And how the fuck could there ever be a new song? Is what I think, especially when I hear a good also, how could there never be a new song? That's an interesting question because I mean, how every song is related. But just musically, how could every variation of the finite number of notes I have not already been done.

No, because I think everything is familiar. All the things you love sound like things you already love. It's like good food. You know, like, if it's something familiar, sin, rock and roll style, or it's in a beatle style, or whatever, just style. Let's get back to shaving your ass all. That's definitely not true.

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Ha ha ha ha. Our bidder. I'm talking about the younger ones because they came along at a time when, you know, you could have a giant record and Spotify pays you one trillionth of a cent every time it's played No, it's not

Is that not true? I don't know. I think they're come on you must follow this You want you really I mean I make my living from life work from being in the way that's the point You have to because you know people when you come out in the 80s, you didn't, the records made money for you, because people bought actual records, and the more they actually bought, the more you got. I know that's horrible, stupid capitalism, but it seemed to work better than this.

It's like, I mean, it's money's a dirty thing. The music industry, I mean, come on, you must have seen like a big change. Well, it's always run by people who don't make music. So that's the interesting. You know what I mean? It's run by people that really never written a song. Of course. Never considered it. And they're judging you you and that's fascinating when you know If someone starts telling you about what you're doing physically and you're like well you're missing the point I'm not doing it for that reason. Right. I haven't got on agenda. Right. If I have it changes daily Right, you know the message for me is I see that you steer clear of any sort of self-remotions

Talking about himself too much, move on. I feel like, I mean, it's, you know, what is the message of music? Music is communication. It's telling people like, right, how you see the world. Not necessarily a spot on the picture of what's going on. Yes. It's what you see and what you see. Well, it's sintering. There's different kinds of songs.

This kind of song where you just make up a character. I mean, Paul McCartney's the master. The Gene Genie. The Gene Genie. In my case, the Diamond Chameleon. Yes, sorry, Eleanor Rigby, or you know, Desmond has a barra. Who is he? Desmond, we're telling you a story. Joe Joe is a man. Oh, whatever. Just a story. That's not my favorite kind of song I'll ever get.

If I love this song, the lyrics... What if you knew the lyrics? Well, if the lyrics are nothing, like get back, I was quoting in a minute ago. I mean, the lyrics, it's just gobbledygook. But it's that it's kind of chameleon in a way. Yeah. But it's gobbledygook.

And I don't mind. That's throughout gobbledygook about something. But I like the song, so I don't care. Yeah. That's the important. But I think that's generally what everyone feels it's like you can get into analyzing everything like no but then there's some mean but then there's another genre of lyrics which I think you're quite good at which is life philosophy I think I'm getting better

yeah because you're older of of course, especially at that. It's life philosophy. Well, I've also explored words more now. So I used to be a bit lazy around words and thinking. You know, I used to have a very rigid way of looking at thinking. And now I'm kind of more... That sounds ridiculous. Expansed if I'm kind of just more open to... But you're letting things influence me,

admitting that I want to sound a certain way and not denying this little bowie in what I do or the Beatles or just not saying, well, is everything already exists? That's the thing. But you are in your, I feel like in your lyrics, now you are, especially now, you are like sharing your life philosophy.

You're almost like giving advice, which is almost inevitable. That doesn't seem to me, though, it's going to be like, when you get to our age, it's almost inevitable that you're always doing that. Well, but maybe I'm doing it for myself, because I think sometimes I need post notes

to remind myself not to fall back into behaving in a way I might have done 20 years ago, or thinking in a way I might have done last week. You know, I'm always looking to change my point of view about everything all the time. No, I'm telling you. I'm trying to give you a compliment. No, no, I'm taking it. I like it better because I'm defensive. No, no, no, I'm not.

No, I'm not. I'm not. I love you. I'm not defensive. No, I just, you know, it's one of the things I really hate in it. No, no, I'm just saying like there's a lot of things you can choose to write a song about. When you're young, it's a lot about love, and like, oh my gosh, I'm so in love with you. If I mentioned that I was sitting in your man cave with Bill, you'd get a kick out of

that. If it was a lyric, yeah. No, very big kick. Yeah. So things, so really, yeah. Very big kick. Yeah. So things so really, you know, these stories are right about a million things. Yeah, you can write about the puppy love or you could write about, you know, I got all the bling and I've got a song called Sweet Billionaire. Now, who would write that? Why? You know, Sweet Billionaire. No one really would even put those two words together. You know that only a handful of people are going to have a buy-it,

but it would be interesting. Well, it can be a sweet billionaire. Sweet billionaire. I think there's any billionaires who are... No one ever said before. Backer, backer, back in there. Yeah, you know, I've heard a little backer. Oh, yeah, backer.

Yeah, I can tell. And the simplicity of that ride is... I like Reggae. I like Reggae as well. And also anything can be Reggae within reason. Like any big head... I've been hearing that under tone a lot. But anything, it's just basically life with Lucer.

It's just like, you know, it's like, red, red, ooh. Right. It's Lucer. It's red, red wine, but it's a great one. You know, you know, it's like red red. Ooh. It's red red wine, but it's a good one. You know, he went no time in red now. Neil Diamond, did you write red red wine? I don't think so. I think Neil Diamond did Google it.

Do you have a phone? No. I think it was, I think it was Neil Diamond. We'll find it out later. But it became a massive record here. It just doesn't sound like, I think I'm right. I think it's a bad thing. I'm right. I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right.

I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right.

I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. I think I'm right. Neil Diamond wrote some amazing songs. Neil Diamond. Oh, amazing. Yeah.

Oh, you like Neil Diamond. Yeah, of course. Why not? How would I know? Exactly. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't like. Why, you know why? Because people are fucking snarves. That's why. I remember seeing Glenn Campbell on the TV in England and he called me a Fag, right? One morning. He was on TV with Donny Osmond.

Glenn Campbell, like one of my... One of my... Glenn Campbell? Glenn Campbell, what am I? Glenn Campbell, what am I? Heroes. I'm watching TV, he's on TV with Donny Osmond. And he called me a Quero, in fact, something like that. On TV, they heard it. They Donny Osmond. And he called me, I could be a queer or a fact,

something like that. On TV, they did it. They aired it. They did air it, yeah. Yeah, because it was like 1977. But I was like, that was near to it. But I didn't like, it was like, I was like, it doesn't change.

What? How I feel about which to line, man. Exactly. By the time I get to finish, I feel the same way. It doesn't change anything. No, that's separate. And Donny bless's not change anything from me. That's separate. And Donnie bless him, sit up for me. Donnie was like, I bet you didn't,

he didn't, he didn't mean anything by it. I don't care, he's like, he's like, red exactly. If I think that's the thing I didn't care. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care about Arkelly. People have said, how can you play that? I'm like, the record didn't rape anybody.

Oh yeah, the record's a different thing, I think, always. And I think like when I met Morrissey, it was a bitch to me, but I still loved him. Right here, though. Gemini with a school PMoon. But I was gonna say, but like, is that what you thought, though, right? I know, because I don't believe in astrology,

but I'm getting such an aquarium. But what is that? What is that? It's like an aquarium with a Toros mane. Do you like a grueling ear? Yes. Yes. But whatever you said he is,

what is that shorthand for? Well, he's me. So he's like very me, like he's a twin. So he's a gem and I'm born on the gem and I. But what is the gem and I character? We can love and hate you in the same breath. That's just put it like that. Well, I believe that. we can have a good time and a bad time at the same time So if you will cool Gemini's to face what a country song is that the

Blue Sluric Kill my wife today, but I'm still happy. That's a Gemini I'm still happy, that's a Gemini. Okay, that's a Gemini. Oh. I'm killed more while I have to say, my dog died and I'm paying for the funeral, that's Gemini. I see, so the Janus, the two face.

The two, there's not two face, I hear that. Not two face, but like, the ability to see both sides of the series. See both sides. I've got friends in my life that, see, I feel like that should be me. I feel like that's what I do. I see both sides. Yeah, I think that thing of like,

I've got some of my life. But I'm not even near that. I'm January. I'm writing a book right now. I'm not plugging it because it's going to, I don't think it's ever going to get written. But I'm writing about a friend of mine who I love dearly. I'm so sweethearted.

I don't see a can't even stand this person. And it's so funny, something like, trying to explain to the reader, but I really do love this person. I know it doesn't sound, it's something like, trying to explain to the reader, I really do love this person, I know it doesn't sound like it. Right. Yeah. The guy who's on the same day as Donald Trump, June 14th.

Boom. And Shagavar, that helps. Shagavar, that helps. He's June 14th as well. And a psychotic killer. I always say that on stage, I say, you know, I was wondering, saying, don't, it's Donald Trump. And it gets a kind of silence. And I go, and I've got cancer moon.

And I only say it just to be playful, not to really be, uh, I want people to know that I'm watching what's going on. But without sort of really having too much to say about. Do you know that Jake Rivera is not a hero? No. Oh, because like the woke people who are wearing like Shaker Rivera t-shirts, they think he's this great revolutionary. You know, he's with terribly racist. He's checks his every box that they hate. I didn't choose to be born on the same day. But it's edgy. But you really do think that that affects your life the day you were born. It could. It has to. Why did it certainly doesn't have to? I think it has to because if you accept like, I don't know, you want to get

me into like, I was watching this little lady bird flying off my friend's finger yesterday with such a kind of like, and that's the stuff you miss right so much about life that you miss why wouldn't the time you're born the moon the tides all of those things why wouldn't they affect you who do you think I am fucking Barbara Walter's what you're talking about I don't know Barbara Busha Bush. It's hard to apologize. So I was driving. Wait, you got a 100-year-old.

You're looking at what a hell of a hummingbird on your head. I was watching. No, a ladybird. The way it flew off, you look stupid. What's a ladybird? What a ladybird. Maybe a little red thing, so black swarts. Ladybug.

Ladybug. Oh, we call them ladybirds. Really? You're a ladybug. Is our ladybug but look at this. This is so cute. I think there's hope for our two nations to make peace. I've always been loved here.

So I've always kind of like, You are beloved. I feel like, I say this a lot on stage. I feel like the reason why I don't annoy people is because it's sent me home. You are. I can send me home. You are beloved here.

I love you. I have to have a no one visa to be here. So being here isn't easy. You know, it's interesting. I was going to start talking to myself. Being here is easy. I was going to say, here is the breeze.

Why don't you feel customs? Everything's like being in Bill Mosley. But actually, I think that, yeah, no, it's not easy to be an America, but I love it here. You do love it here. Oh, I'm so glad to hear. Why would I come? Right.

If I didn't love it. I was just an interesting story. I'm a bit... Listen, about... I think community service in New York years ago, I was made to sweep the streets and all of the... You're actually? Yeah, do you not remember that?

What'd you do? I have heroin. It was a drug thing, a drug thing. Anyway, it cares about the detail, but're not me, but that was the big... What'd you do, have heroin? It was the drug thing, it was drug thing. Anyway, it cares about the detail, but the fact is that I was... No public bathroom, though. I was sent back to England, obviously, once I got the charge and all the rest, I got seven to England,

and I could have not come back. Part of me was, you know, I was off my nut, and I was like, I know they can't back to America, I'm not gonna go and do this, and I'm assimilating, and my mom blesses that, I was like, you never got back to America. I'm not going to go and do this. And I'm like, my mom blesses us. We'll be like, you're not going to think like that next year or next week or next month. You know, you love America and they love you

and you have amazing gigs that go back. Do you know what it means? My mom's gone now, but I know. I'm into this year. I remember the song in your Broadway show about your mother. You always knew didn't you mother? Yeah, that thing. You know, got back to my childhood. You've breathing along, son, you get to about six or seven, and something everyone wants to know what you're

are, what do you like? Do you like bass soldiers? Do you prefer pop music? You know, is it Shirley Bassie that rattles your kitchkiss? Is it, is it, you know, Shirley Bassie? Was that was the sign you're giving? Well, I hope they line in my book was when I was a little boy I wanted to be Shirley Bassie. There was something about her. Yeah, I wanted to get where Shirley is. But I do think it's too simple to say is it the mother, you know, my, I think watching the way my mother was treated by my dad and the way society treated women back then, you know, I think, you know, as a young guy, you kind of get an interesting perspective on life, you know, but I'm not your typical person, you know, I'm a German, I don't really

hold on to shit. No, I'm not wound. I mean, obviously I'm seriously damaged by my child and I admit it. But not at this point, there was a point like after the third court case, I had to take some of this monthly for who I was choosing to be. You know, not to cut you off because you were so interesting, but I want to ask you about Shirley Bassy. Shirley Bassy was like, Because this is something we sort of have in common, Because I also like Shadybassy, but not... I didn't want to be her.

No. I wanted to be... No, I think it's... I make it a simple... It was strong women. So my mom, in essence, was this incredible aquarium and creative, beautiful, beautiful, free, colorful soul. L'Omantad, kind of suppressed that.

So women that were like... you know, like John Collins putting out a cigarette and a plate of prawns, you know, just women that were like, fuck you men, fuck you society, you know. Anyone that sort of was like, glad it's night, you know, one of those songs, it was like, it's kind of what I was idolized, idealizing my parents' marriage.

Why can't it be like this? Why can't it be like a four-top song? Or, you know, just wallow in a bit in that kind of sadness that I thought my mom was going through as a kid, so, you know. You know, the gladdest of it was a lot older than we all thought she was. I think when she was at her heyday,

because, you know, you can, maybe you should fact check this, but I'm pretty sure I read that she won the major Bose comedy in hour, which was like one of the first television shows. That was nice. Oh, it was singing, I know. I'm not sure. Like as a teenager.

All right. It was kind of like that era's style set, or the voice, those kind of shots. Yeah, yeah, I always thought that. And I think that was 1948. Wow, amazing. But you also introduced, there was this guy, Jabrayath, that was this Bowie,

trying to be America's Bowie. Morrissey's obsessed with him, the guy Jabrayath. Yeah, he was like, America's the Gestardist, but he was very out in Australia. Not your mirror, Quarantine. No, Jab was like a sort of America's big star dust, but he was very out in Australia. Not your mirror, Quarer. No, Jabraya. Okay. And there's a show where I saw Gladys Knight introducing Joe Brian, saying he's the next big thing. And so mad, because you know, I don't know, he was set for Morris, he was like, oh,

you know, Jabraya, this has kind of been crazy. Yeah, look him up. Might be interesting. Jubriot? Jubriot. I've never heard of jubriot. Not many people have. Oh. But you know, why would I?

Because you're a cultural man. Wow, I don't dig that deep. Like I'm telling you, I am like a perfect, like focus group for a musician. Because again, no musical talent. but I do know what I like. I cultivate my music collection very carefully. It's important in my life. I use the old iPod for that reason,

because there are things I can do on that one that I could. But you're with someone who knows a lot about music. That's me. I know. But I'm saying, you're making music for me. Yeah, I'm making music. A lot of art. I think essentially for months,

I'm not making it for the radio, that's for sure. You know, if it ends up there good. What was the last year I listened to the radio? Was that interesting, isn't it? Like, you know, because people get to experience things in a quite nonchalant way. When we were teenagers, like what record you had under your arm was life or ten right?

No, I mean they changed, but it was important. There's no way Somebody 62 years old is going to be able to capture the market that the people in their 20s and early 30s Do because that's where music is. It's where the energy is that's great. That's what's on the charts But look at people. It's Kate Bush just is. I agree. That's what's on the chart. But look at Kate Bush. Kate Bush just came back with massive swell. He wasn't an age. Kate Bush at this moment because the perfect, what's up? There was a TV show on Netflix,

like Stranger Things. Okay. Kate Bush, I mean, went back to number one. I'll put it. It's always an exception. It's a myth though, this kind of age gap. No, you can't like something like this 16. Let me finish the point.

If you look at the charts, I'm telling you all the songs are really good. You're talking about the system, you're talking about the matrix. I'm not talking about the ending because you don't let me finish. Because music is something, it hit me when I was 12. That's when it hits you hardest. And then it's, you could put out the greatest music in the world when you're, I mean, I remember Paul McCartney had an album out when he was 47, Flowers in the Dirt.

Amazing record, could have been just like any Beatles album. They would just, when you're 47, they're just not going to listen to it, they're not going to promote it. And anyone who's buying records is not going to care because they have to have their own music. That's a bit of a myth, but whatever. But you can still make great music.

You just have to. I think you have to exist that of all outside of all of those things we just talked about. You have to kind of just find the reason to do what you do that's satisfying to yourself and you know, uh, but you hope that something every so often clicks. Okay, but what I'm saying is you are cynical though, I'm not cynical. I'm not cynical. I'm just like a, a, like a customer of music. I'm the customer. So I want like something that when I buy it satisfies me and that's like, yeah, I'm sorry,

I'm not gonna listen to this. I don't have an issue supplying that, though. Because your music is commercial. I have got commercial genes. I think yeah. Yes Well, what's commercial commercial is just a catchy chorus and the rest of it is the where the depth comes I mean not every song you read I still have a chorus and be catchy, you know what Maggie May Roads through it very good. Yeah, and also if you want me to and if you want me to stay by slang the family's stent No chorus. What is if you If you want me to stay happy around the day.

I don't know what that is. Slime and the Family Stone. What's the name of it? Slime and the Family Stone. If you want me to sing it, the song is what if you know it, when you hear the bass line, you will know that song.

Otherwise, where have you been living? I thought I'd love to slide the Family Stone song. That's when I was a teenager. That's when I paid a special attention never. I wrote down the survey. I heard that when I was a punk rocker. So it was like, I wasn't really what I was listening to, but something that was like, I don't think that was one of their hits because I certainly would know that. Oh, it's one of the most famous. What's your call? If you want me to stay happy around today to be available for you to see. This is flying the family film.

It's flying the film. It's on the album. It's on the album. It's like a sort of... I think it's a deep cut. No, it's not. It's like one of the most famous... Ask any bass player in the planet.

Okay, bass players, again, not the public. I'm the public. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm the only person who can't be the public. I'm the public. That's what I'm growing to tell you. I'll be very surprised. John Cue Public. I'm the young man in the 22nd row who sees you as something more than sexual. Not you in particular, but.

Such an aquarium, genius. I am half an aquarium. That's, did you know that? Yeah, good good. I went online on I saw it. But I'm on the cusp. They told me down to the minute with Capricorn. So a minute ago, you can care about stars,

I was like, no, you want to know. You got to be kind of, yeah. What's interesting is you can do that thing when anyone asks you, yes, I was asked everyone and I was just saying, just pull a face, whatever they say. If they say, like, Harry just, and they all think you know something really important about the destiny, which is a great party game, you know.

But how does my being on the cusp of Aquarius and Capricorn do you think? Well, I think if you think about the concepts of being on the cusp of anything, it says, I've got an energy. Do you not think? Cusp, sorry, cusp, do you think? Well, I think if you think about the concepts of being on the custom of anything, it says that's a kind of energy. Do you not think? Well, I can't. Sorry, it's custom.

How is Bill? He's custom. Yeah. Don't you think that's like cynicism? Being on the custom, I think, is one of those things and you'll appreciate this with the feeling of silence. Split custom answer, you two have. It can be very painful or it can be very pleasurable.

You can be sitting, you know. You're always back to this fucking airy-pulsing, let it go. I mean, you can be riding a cock and I would imagine as a woman that feels pretty good, I'll try it one day. I mean, I could answer that. Or you can be sitting on something,

you know, you could be on the train and it's, you'd like something, it's almost pleasurable If you'd like something, it's all special. If you like something, it's special. And sometimes you have to, something that's a saying, if you don't like it, try it, you might like it. I'm just saying. It's a new catchphrase.

That's a teaser. You don't like it, try it. I'm just saying, if you're gonna sit on something, make it something you like. Right. Right. Again. If you're gonna sit on something, make it something you like. Again, as in love of self. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you know, interesting. Homo, one of the few roots that has two meanings. It means man, like easy Homo, behold the man.

And it also means same. So Homo, sexuality, homo, it's funny. So you self love. Well, it were, no, it means, no. It's a surprise thing. I'm a lyricist. It doesn't mean self love. It means love of man, love of other man.

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What was in the audience? Yeah, they were just, I mean they were like, you know, you're really close. You've got a contact high? Yeah. I couldn't get a contact high if I prayed. That's because you're like, hard-core. I'm not the cops. I'm not looking so right.

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Non-yet-hour, I'm apologizing. What is it? Well, you're turning British, you see. Yeah. Because we say sorry for everything. Right. Say sorry, it's raining. But I feel like I've known you my whole life.

Yeah, I think that's, I always wanted to. I didn't think I was going to find you weird. Well, I mean weird is a talk of certain words. Talk about a spectrum. Yeah, I know. Weird is a spectrum because everyone is weird in their own way. Everyone is almost everyone is corrupt in their own way. Oh man, you know, being a humanist to be, is it being a hypocrite? I mean, just opening

your mouth. Well, I mean, there are definitely, some people are definitely better than other people. Some people are more altruistic. Better than what way though. Like, more self-selfless. Like, wouldn't do sketchy shady shitty things Hello, but then also lovely will it do sketchy shitty shit? You love something about them. I don't I certainly wouldn't love them

I wouldn't like the most to you or something important but no usually sex usually what people isn't interesting True, I mean usually what gets you to forgive, otherwise heinous personality flaws, is you like the dick or the pussy. And do you like arrogant people? Do you get turned on by I say, you're into women, right? Yeah.

Don't be defensive. No, I'm not. Yes, I admit it. Are you into where I am? I'm in hope, heterosexual. You're into me. I've got this thing, you know. And I have to say something, defensive heterosexuals. Yes.

Very important. Two of them made me. Right. They're geniuses. We are important. We have done many things. So, absolutely. Well, of course.

Everyone's important. Everything's important. I observe as much. Absolutely. Well, of course, everyone's important. Everything's important. I observe as a Brit, you know, because obviously, listen, look at Allah. If you want to, you know, we're not judging anything here, but look at Allah. Allah, Allah, we, the last three prime ministers, I don't think anyone voted for them. They just turned down.

Oh, please. You should be so unlucky. All your prime ministers, yeah, Theresa May, what a crazy person. You know, yes, not everybody. But it resucceeds at the job, but nothing is like what's going on in here, where you have like a true crazy stupid person.

You, your people are all reasonable. You may not like every policy. That's life. You don't get every win But they're just they don't scare you. Did any of those people scare you? This fishy shoot soon. I scare you. You just didn't scare me. None of them scared. I would be careful I said I have but you know and Boris baffled me. He doesn't. Boris was just he walked If anybody was gonna scare you it would be him But even even he's not scary just no not scary, but just like the British are just much more mature So even when they're buffoons like Boris. It's not as scary like Trump is a true buffoon

You know like so you don't like him I read that about you don't be defensive. No No I read that about you. Don't be defensive. No. No. Fascinating though, in a weird way. The whole... Well, because we do it in a slightly different way in our country. So, just this whole thing, I was watching the other night, and this thing, I mean, obviously, I skip around the channels because I know that you don't want to be stuck in one thought pattern all the time. It's not good to go. It not interesting. Oh, that's whatever.

Kind of like a mad opera. For that, I should say, you're not parabounding. Well, opera, opera singers were a less makeup. That's the major difference. And there is something kind of quite interesting about the whole thing. It's like quite interesting. Yes, interesting I'll give you. I think but also frightening.

Finding what? So from both angles because First of all, all these crimes he's committed of, of course, he did that. He's Donald Trump. He's a criminal. He does criminal things without even caring or really knowing because he's a crazy person who doesn't even see it. He'd love him. So He loved him. So, of course, he's committed these crimes, but we are, and he should be prosecuted, but by doing so, we are crossing this Rubicon, but we never did in this country. Well, my manager, Pete, I said,

it's bad for the brand of president. It's just no good look. Why rock stars ever like, and so many of them do, kill themselves in their suicidal, I'm, of course, there are things that go on in the brain that we get. Absolutely, yeah. But like, from the outside, it just looks like,

wow, you have all the things everyone is like, pining for, and it's, and you're the one who's unhappy, Elvis. Yeah, I know. It isn't, that's, isn't interesting question question, but yeah, I don't know. I think when you're an artist, you kind of work that stuff out in public. Right. If you're not, I mean, listen, nowadays, obviously, everyone's got their windows wide open because you've got the internet. So I'm just trained everything. But I'm just saying why is there something to work out? You know,

you're Jesus, uh, parents, bless you, childhood, and you were born with incredible talent, which most is there something to work out? You know, Jesus blessed you. Childhood. And you were born with incredible talent, which most people don't have. Great look. It didn't tell me, everyone. At that point, I would say, guess what, kid, don't worry about the whole school thing

and being beaten up for being gay, cause you're gonna become a fucking huge rock star. I might have actually differently had to had some information. All right, let me ask you a tough question. If you have, you're a life, you live your life as a rock star, and you've got beaten up for being gay. That's horrible and it's wrong.

If knowing what you know now, you can, you can build up. I can only tell you I would choose again, on time of the same. You would choose what happened. I didn't choose it, but, but you would, you would choose. I didn't choose it, but I, that's the wrong word because I didn't choose to be who I am, but you know I

Accepted and it just so you know it makes me read the run slightly different to everyone else The question is you can go back in time and you will get beaten up for five years But then you'll be a rock star for life or I can spare you getting beaten up and you will work at Kenny shoes Which would you take out the first of mr I want it to you First of all, so I mean, you know the thing is also life isn't linear and you don't remember things in All of when they happened also, it's good to go through some pain when you're young. But you get better lyrics.

That's for sure. I mean, I get things about ex lovers, is you can turn them into something profitable, big, number one sort. Right. Yes, you do. So you're paying global. Yes, you know.

It's got to be a sweet kind of reverberation. Let me turn you into a song. You know, and also, interestingly, you know, I mean, the years ago, singing a song I'd written about a partner to him in bed and he just looked to me and he went, that's about you. Wow. And I was like, he's right. Wow.

Son of a bitch. What a queen, huh? I know. He wasn't even a queen, you know, he was like, he was even like, wasn't he being archbill? He was just, from seeing that everything goes like the window once though. Not everything. And I think when you're younger you're more susceptible. You were like someone on Lightsoft person. Whatever. Light Sun on Lightsoft.

Light dim. Yeah, from the lamp. I read a book. That was your main. Oh, I mean romantic lighting. It's not glam. I know. We're not making a porn movie. Yes, exactly. Okay, it's not glam. I know, we're not making a porn movie.

Yes, exactly. Okay, it's a dim light. Right. That sounds like a Roxy music song. Jim, but that is you could get through it. Yes, we got now. I was like hanging out with Bill. It's quite Roxy music in here, though.

Yeah, now Rajesh does a guitar thing on that song. Amazing. I'm got a vehicle. I love Brian Ferry. Brian Ferry. Roxy music. Oh right. He's a singer. Okay. Yes, I think Roxy music has some good stuff. Great. I mean, it's, you're, we're migrating, thankfully, away from blue red and yoko to black snow. No, no, no is me. I am unworthy. I am unworthy. My ears...

You never heard of free money by Patty Smith? Uh, maybe I have. I'll get... You send it. It's on the Google app. Okay. No, I will. I want it.

I do this. I do something Google-y. I do this all the time. I like... It's so primitive. People will think, but... I download, because I still can I ask you, are you a romantic? Is that like a bit of a joke?

Officially? Yeah, you know, I think so. I mean, I- Are you in a relationship? Why, what did you hear? I think probably you are. Um, yes. What's his name, no? How is Bill? Um, anyway. Yeah,'s his name? No. How is Bill? Um, anyway. Yeah. Now, see, imagine I've got kids. And not that I know of.

Okay. Do you? See, you're romantic. No, no, I've got no kids. No. Well, I'm 67 and I never got married. That's the much more salient point, you know. And if you do that, it's because you either don't like girls at all or you like

them a lot. That's what I want to say. That's what I want to say. You need to know about me. Say, butch. That's so butch. And it's a lie down. It's a scratch. You don't have to try to be butch. That was like, okay, it's right. It's like intellectual butchness. It's a sign. Well, I got it. No, I got it, I got it. When I was in, you know, you have a vibe with that. I'm not really into marriage for me.

I can't think of anything more restrictive, you know. But I think you definitely get into certain people and it's, you know. Yeah. I mean, not necessarily for all the right reasons, you know, there's never a lot of you. And I also think something that transcends gay, straight is that it's hard to maintain the two things we want simultaneously, which is security and excitement. Yeah, I never thought of you like that, but it's, it's, it's, it's a security and excitement. Yeah, I never thought of you like that, but in security and excitement. The beginning you have a lot of excitement, but not security. And as it goes like this,

unless you learn to be a better partner, which is always possible. You mean me and particular? Because I mean being philosophical. I think that both, I think, both not that I know much about you, but like my dad was an aquarium. I hate it. I'm more of a Capricorn, they say. Doesn't matter, they're close. But they're neighbours. But they're just wasn't leaning in barren sugar from the Capricorn. Really? But it's supposed to be opposite. But isn't like everything seen in Yang isn't it? Man and female dark and light, you know, salt and pepper. So you can get into trouble. Gains trade.

So you can get into trouble. No, no, it's easy. Oh, you tried to get me in just for saying, everything is binary. Binary. I never said that though. You did. You just said mail and say all the games.

That is Paris and they're juxtaposition. No, you're a truck driver. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that You just said mail and say I'm in the game. That is Parisons. That's your position. No, you're in trouble. Because that is not how the woke think of things. Everything is on a sliding scale. There's no such thing as binary. And there is nothing as they listen. There is nuances. Are you kissing me being woke? I'm kissing you being unwarked. I was never asleep. I don he may be in work. I'm using it being unwell. I was never asleep.

I had to be working. I was. No. I was. But that's their point of view, as opposed to gay and straight, male and female. Like everything is sort of. But even though they're.

Everything is everything. It is a jump ball. And we should reorganize society around the idea that everything is very fluid and we're not really quite there yet. Maybe we'll evolve to that, but now most people are either male or female or gay or straight. There are absolute variations, but it's such a tiny percentage. It is inappropriate. The amount of energy we put toward, I think, making that seem like it's possible

for everybody with, yeah, it's not likely. It's just not likely. Don't really have a fixed opinion on it. I think that, you know, it's so individual. I know a lot of gay men. I know lots of different people. Oh, I know, I know lots of trans people there. So I'm pissed off at of gay men. I know lots of the trend people. Oh, I know. I know lots of trans people, though. So I'm pissed off at the gay men.

LAUGHTER Unfortunately, I'm just one of the gay men because... Like, there was a gay pride parade and there was no... There's always... Listen, Bill, there's no... Sorry, getting excited now. Speaking of Shelley Bassy. And there's always someone to dislike, isn't there? And every generation has always got someone they hate.

Oh, well. And we've all been through it. I was it in the 70s. Really? Oh, you mean, you know, really much. Yeah, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in be honest, I'm okay to have a break. I think for me, my own existence became a sort of funny protest. But like, yeah. But what was your sense of humor? That's a good one.

You're laughing at me, but guess what? I'm laughing at you too. You know what? That is a great theme and title for an album. I'm laughing at you. No protest. Great test. Like, you said, you just said that about,

my life has been a protest. Right, yes. Like you said, you just said that about, my life has been a protest. Yeah. Do that as an album theme. Right. But who will I piss off everyone? Like, like,

no, no. I don't ever write anything with this sort of mission of pissing anyone off. It's really just, you're, you're past having to worry about it. What can they do to you? Ban me. No. I'm already cancelled. I mean, you'd have to go... You'd have to go...

You've already told me I don't exist to anyone over 40, so... You would have to go home. Oh, a lot of people are like, forget it. You know, you would have to go full Kanye to get cancelled at this point. And you don't say things like that. You say things like that. You would have to go full Kanye to get canceled at this point. And you don't say things like that. You say things like that.

Well, there's two things like that. So that's the difference. I don't feel things like that. I just, you know, I never find myself getting into such an extreme feeling that I have to, I can't breathe before I say something about somebody or... But there's a difference between like the Jews or whatever he was saying about the Jews, God love them. And just like you and I do, we just say things that are true that piss people off because they don't want to hear the truth. They don't want to be confronted with it. But it's not like it's untrue. There's a big and people know that.

What's the meaning of that? They might not admit it, but they know it. What Kanye is saying is not true or true. What do you mean? I don't think it's true that the... I don't think it's true. The Jews, it's important that it's very easy to take your own pain and spew it onto someone else. The Jews dominating job is just,

where does he get this nonsense? Well, my manager's Jewish, and I was very specific. I was very specific. I was very specific. I won a British manager. And yes, I wanted to be Jewish. So why didn't you ever move here if you love America so much? Well, I kind of hear all the time.

You're living in England or something. I think one of the reasons I worked so well here is because you can send me home. You know, it's like I'm not, you know, it's like when I was in Russia, not that I'm comparing, but when I was in Russia, I'm walking through Russia in a two to Trust is Lee Bowrie. I'm going to be thinking they're just never going to bother me because it's so, they know I'm not from, I don't know, I wasn't Russian.

Right. Every club I went into, it was like, I was just fine. Cause it was so extreme. They were like, yeah, it's from somewhere else. It's not really, it was. And I do feel a bit like, well, so what year is this in Russia? Like 90s, I was going there just after like,

so before Putin. Before Putin is, but to the fall of communism? Oh yeah, yeah I went there. Yeah and they were like so mad because we did a gig there and sponsored by the French government and kids were coming up to me and saying, Oh we bought your records in the 80s and we hit them and I was like, I think I got in that. I liked it. I liked it. Well look, I'm going to hell. Oh, that's it. It's a boy. It's a boy. Yeah. It was a relationship. I have with someone

What was the communist? It was a sort of rock and rolly comedy sort of, you know, conspiracy That's a hammer and sickle. It's a very specific symbol of communism. So I get it covered up You're doing I'm just telling me what's the question. Do you think I should get it covered up? What's the, well, it has no meaning after then I was in love with someone. It was some rush. What's the connection with communism?

And this guy, that's what I grew up with, like that symbol and the star and red and gold. The star. Yeah, the star on the set, the star on the flag, the year list star. That's the one there. What that's the star there, look. What star it's gonna be in the Elysthar. I'm on there. What else? What else is that there?

What star is going to be in the... Don't read too much into it. Israel has a star. Don't read too much. I've got a mocking dove on the top of my head. I have. Yeah. Constraint on this.

I've never been a tattooed person. I've got a star of David on the top of my head. I was on a plane on the top. I've got a, I've got a star of David on the top of my hand. I was on a plane once. I never understood the whole point of like, something is meaningful to you. Okay, great. Same thing happened to me. Things happen that are meaningful.

I don't say, you know what would be make this better? If I inked it into my body. This commitment, love. But I have it in my mind. You've got commitment issues. It's, it reminds me of those, when there's crypto things they sell, like where you sell a picture.

I've done that. NFTs. NFTs. Right? It's like, Bowie, come on. It doesn't matter. I remember the two most poor people in my life.

That's Bowie and his. That's Bowie, that's my bowie. Oh wow, T-Rex. A lot of people think it's slash. Bang a gun, get it on. Yeah, we do that in a show, yeah. It's Boeing and that's my boat. Oh wow, T-Rex. A lot of people think it's slash. Bang a gun, get it on. Yeah, we do that in a show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you do that in your show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my bono's like one of my one of record, right? All-time heroes, best lyricists on the planet. Now, his

Lewis making his sense. I had a car. It was old. It was kind of gave it my mind and it disappeared. That's cool. That's cool. That's okay. There's something more than I understand exactly. She was born to be my unicorn. Oh, that's a genius. That's a great lyric. She was born in my life. I love to read. So I love it. There's so many, which is wiring that writing songs like Common Camelian, just because they sound like the words. I don't know, I don't know, Mark Boll and T. Rex, but there wasn't a lot of albums before

that. Loads. I mean, what'd you say to loads? There was T. Rex Tanks, there was Electric Warrior, there was Slider. Okay. So it was like three or four. See, this is great. And the only T-Rex, you know, there was T-Rex trying to

saw us Rex, there was a lot of poetry and now it was a big part, because like I'll go to my computer and I want to pay for the music because there are, you know, Spotify, fuck them. And I will get like, I'll get a, I'll get a, I'll get Yoko, I'll get T-Rex that I haven't heard these albums and I'll get something from new. I could always get like three at a time

and I'll listen to those for like a couple of weeks and it's great because maybe, maybe that, I could see that there could be some great team stuff. I can a lot of fun turn me on to like current stuff, you know, and some of it sticks some of it doesn't You know, it's like if I like the song, but to me it's more about if I like the person I watch and being interviewed Sometimes the song is just great and you go it's a great song. Oh, I thought you were kidding about that No, but sometimes I see people know sometimes I like no, no. Sometimes I just don't like a person enough to put up with a bad-be-win song. It's getting played on the radio.

A rock star. A rock star has to be some kind of huge prick. For me to not listen to a song I like, because I know there are huge prick. I think it could happen where I think it has happened where like I just I just can't listen. Like when people think they've been in the way of the audience, what am I? But I'm certainly don't it doesn't bother me Michael Jackson and I feel like he committed some heinous, heinous crimes and I still love Michael Jackson songs

that I love. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't, maybe it should, if I was a better person, always enter my mind when I heard his song about the crimes he committed, but you know what, I can separate them. I know I don't wanna be apologetic about it. Right? Yeah.

I mean, you know. I like Michael Jackson. I like Michael Jackson when I was at school. I was maybe hearing Ben when I was at about 10 or something I mean they wanted a cancel Wagner because Hitler connection. Yes There was a connection, but Hitler liked him. He didn't like Hitler He reminds me of like the time when our like Hitler. He reminds me of the time when our Prime Minister was conservative Prime Minister David Cameron said he liked the Smiths and they were devastated. Breaking news, the cameras are Smith's found, they were devastated. You should actually...

I'm not deciding who likes your music. But you should be a lot more thankful about this, that you're like conservatives that you make fun of, that you think you're... Make a son fun of conservatives? What just by being me? Oh, I thought you were saying David Cameron was like some sort of conservative. Oh, full-on conservative. Like, proper. But like, for the Smiths, it was the big deal. For me, I'd be like, I'm just saying your conservatives are like much more mature. And they're not like crazy out there. David Cameron, we would kill for a David Cameron to be running the Republican party.

Do you understand what I'm saying? No, no, I get it. We would kill. Who would you choose right now, then? Among the actual candidates. I've been watching you. Would you choose that? Of all of the, how many is that?

In the Republican party? Not in the... Okay. There's this guy Tim Scott. Yeah. I know who he is. Yeah. I see him's reasonable. Yes. But then I have to look at what he thinks about certain things.

Although, actually, you're never going to agree with everything. I'm exactly. And also, I'm a Brit, so I, I, I wish, I, you know, I was going to say, I can watch it from a slightly more impartial point of view to a certain But if it was Tim Scott versus Joe Biden, I could see weighing that Whereas I would out of hand dismiss a lot of other Republicans against one of my him against Trump Well, I mean Tim Scott is against Trump. That's how it's both Republicans. They're in the party It's weird one

Well, that's the primary. I mean, one of them will be the candidate. No, at the end, they're not running. Those two will be interesting. But they can't run against each other. They're in the same party. Oh, it seems they're one enough to be knocked out. Yeah.

So they're in the semi-finals. Okay, okay. Bubble, bubble, bubble. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim Scott's trying to take me a little bit. Right. I mean, it's gonna be Trump. You think?

Of course. He's ahead by, it's going to be Trump. You think? Of course. He's a head by like 40 points. He's just saying it's really. Oh, yeah. Yes, it's already been president. I mean, that's an unprecedented thing. For someone who has the stature as crazy as he is to be, oh, I'm in the Republican primary.

Maybe you know, my credentials, I was president, and this guy's a fucking farmer. Okay, you have a pharmaceutical company. Congratulations. I used to have my own plane with military equipment on it. So fuck off. You know, that's, he's just. I saw his plane when I was in Florida.

I was impressed. Politics. Right, exactly. Politics is show business. He's the biggest star What is Charlie Bassy? Well, she wasn't the biggest star. Charlie Bassy was never a big film. Oh, in the UK. She was a really huge legend of the UK Not in not in America. Not America and in England. She is

Shobbys royalty legend legend. Gold finger, right? Yeah, never, never, never, never, never, never. There's many. But that's what we, I mean, jazz, you know, jazz, that kind of more. But gold finger was sexy. Yeah, it's the same. Sexy, as long.

You want to get back to fingers again, so you just want to get back to it. The man with the mightest touch. Such a cold touch. All the time, you know, what do people say to me? What's, what turns you want about a man, indifference? You know, just, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But why? What do you like in a female, some of the ego that's chasing you. Chasing you. If the opposite of indifference is different, I'm looking for a difference. How about you want someone to give you compliments? Well, I learned when I was like 19, that,

oh, you know, the way to go isn't to think movies are real and that when you meet someone who fucking hates you at the beginning, it's going to turn out good. No, probably the one who doesn't like you at the beginning. It's gonna turn out good. No, probably the one who doesn't like you at the beginning is gonna stay not liking you. So don't like work so hard, like winning over someone who doesn't like, go for the people who like you already,

who you seem to vibe with. I mean, even as dumb as I was in my 20s, I kinda got bad. Have you been married? Oh, you've never been married, right? You told me that, I'm married. Never been married. Tell me that.

Perfect record. Wow. Would you have gotten married You've never been married, you've never been married. You told me that, I'm really sorry. Never been married. Tell me that. Perfect record. Wow. Would you have gotten married if it was illegal in all those years? No. No, it was felt like very, for me personally, I obviously I was upheld anyone's rights to do everything they wanted, you know, to a certain extent.

But, you know, it wasn't something I really aspired to. Are you in a relationship now? Maybe. You see, I didn't wanna answer, but I, and you're like, maybe. Well, good. I'm not like this. Yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, I'm not crying again, man.

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It's weird. Everyone's so good. Well, that's the nicest compliment you could give me. Everyone says that. That was my goal here. It's like, how can I actually make people forget where they are and that we're just not being exactly who we are? I mean, actually say, we were exactly who we are. I mean, actually, say, you're like,

we were exactly who we are. On stage, I've worked on the word. I just think on stage now where I say to the audience, actually, I feel like I'm in my living room, but I'm dressed up a bit better than I would be at home. Right. But that's a real thing for me that to find that kind of relaxation in a space like that was a lot of people staring

at you, you know, like a mad tennis match or something. How do you act normal in that situation? I mean, you do, you know, you're probably persons, you must have some of that, you know, with the, do you get scared of the audience or for a not? Scared of the audience? No. It's funny and I've had, were you ever scared of the audience?

Well, I put it out of my mind. Look, I've said many controversial things and have had both sides. Man, it's done by them. Still the controversial things you say. Or, he'd never changed a mind about some... Of course not. Ever.

What's the most controversial thing you've ever said? Oh. It's my last welskie. No, you're not. I'll have. And if that's the most controversial thing I've ever done, it's my love to ask you. No, you're not. Well, how? And if that's the most controversial thing I've ever done, how's that? I mean, I got in a big trouble after 9-11.

Okay. You know, stuff like that. My hair dress is a conspiracy theorist. Explain to why we're at. And my hair dress, in London, is a... You look at me. Not a conspiracy. He calls himself a critical thinker, he's very precise.

And he is, he's great. I often, when I'm traveling, I'll send messius thing, what do you think about this? I love having Hamilton's view on the world because it's so, he spends time, he does all the stuff, I won't read the manual. I'm not gonna come online and read this. Just listen to someone smart like yourself.

Yeah, that's interesting. Is he as dangerous? Well, it's lazy research, it's cool. I love that you were like, well, he thinks of himself as a critical thinker, but he's really a conspiracy there. I mean, those two do travel something. He goes insane at me when I call him a conspiracy person. But like one man's critical thinker

If you got the missing you know, but he has been like about something Nothing, but he gets it right nothing. Yes, I mean, but if you hate everyone you're always gonna get You know if you're sort of cynical Beginning that's the problem. I think today more than ever is that people make decisions not on what they really think about something They never engage with the issue itself. If they can. It's just about who's team of my aunt and who do I hate? How can I use this issue to show how much I hate you?

I'm lucky I don't really hate people. I don't either. I can't be bothered to say. I hate hate. Time can seem, man. No. No. You know what I mean?

It is time can seem. And it also means that when you get locked into that thing, I mean, when I was younger, I definitely had an appetite for revenge. I could wait years to get revenge on someone, you know, I could not, not anything bad, but just, you know, I don't know, just to get back. Right. And now I just can't be bothered. I'm just like, I'm over it. I'm, but if you wish you won, I blocked them. Well, you won the game. You know, you're bored, George, and they're not. That's it.

It's so much easier, do I wish I was younger? Yeah, but psychologically, it's so much easier to live in this head. We're like, I've already gotten past the one thing that had me enduring more anxiety than anything else, which is, am I going to be a failure? Or am I going to have a good life where I'm fulfilled and appreciated and it turned out

I did? That's good. That made my early... You have to work on it though. I feel like it's for me personally, I have to remember, everything has to be fun. You know what I mean? On the road, in the dressing room.

Fun? Fun. And that's a dangerous word, fun. I don't mean like fun, it's been like, all right. That's the just, you know, I get a lot of pleasure out of, which blows on my mind now, doing nothing, like sitting around, but doing it well.

I don't mean just like doing nothing as I'm bored, but actually going, no, I'm actually really seeking to do nothing, think nothing, you're nothing. But maybe, but you don't mean you're just sitting still doing nothing. Yeah, yeah. It's called meditation. You're not, oh, you're not, you're just sitting still doing nothing. Yeah, yeah. It's called meditation. You're not really reading and watching TV. Sometimes I can get locked into the TV thing and start to,

but news is relentless now. It's the same thing every 20 minutes. It's just over and over and over and over. No, I don't watch cable news. So I try to avoid that. Right, no, it's just I can. This is my music. Listen to music. listen to music,

hang out with great people. But those are things, so you're not doing nothing. I'm the same way. I love time. No, but sometimes sitting in front of the TV watching, you know, the price is right. Right, well, I love the price is right. Okay, but I mean, I watch TV every day.

Family fortunes. Yeah, particularly in America, not so much in the UK, but here I love it. You cannot say excited. The last hour of my day is always watching TV. It's the cherry on top of a day for me. And it's, what do you watch on it? I certainly wouldn't watch the price is right.

That's like 500 brilliant streaming shows, I would know. Yeah, of course I do that as well. I know, I'm just... But in that sort of, you know, when you don't want to commit to like a series or what's your movie for the beginning end, that's like... I don't want to commit to a series. Are you never?

Well, I mean, I don't want to... Do you stop and start? Do you go back to the series? No, I just feel like most series are not worthy of a series. They should smush it into one good movie. Are you not that re-requels for you? You like play a few bars and I used to do it as a DJ. I used to like play about four or four bars

and know it wasn't for me. Yeah, just on the high-hat and the bass drum. Well, that's the thing I think we all go through when you're starting a show. You're like, geez, do I want to like commit? And I don't want to like lose this hour I already invested in that, but I don't want to be the idiot who's chasing good money after bed Should I keep watching and like sometimes you're doing you're halfway through and you go you know what I

gave you a left time you fuckers I gave you more than enough time and you didn't turn it around No, I guess I'm never going to see if the baby gets kidnapped at the end. What the fuck it is, you know what? So, what are we talking about? Well, I think what I don't know, I think I'm saying, not that I'm trying to say anything,

because I'm trying to avoid being one of the people that says things. Too late. Just, you know, sometimes real happiness is in the mundane. Totally. In fact, I think it's only in the mundane. Well, okay. See, because I'm a Capricorn wink wink. I'm like an organ.

That's like, I'm an organizational freak. So I can be so happy, happy like puttering around the house, organizing shit. On your terms though. What do you mean on my terms? It's my house. Yeah, you live with other people, right? I live with other people, of course not. You have the name Chico and Chula.

They have four legs. You partner with somewhere else in the tree house? Oh, what are you, what are you, what are you, somewhere else in the treehouse. What are you, what are you, a ron of barrett? Fuck off of my, I'm dating or whatever. Shut up. I live alone. It's all you need to know. I live alone. It's a great night for everyone. So, you never heard this or that.

Listen, we need a piano. I live alone. That's all you need to know. I, I, I, I, it's itself. I got it. I got it. I got it. Well, okay. I got it.

Recommended album to you. You, you're going to love this. A man alone. By a Frank Sinatra. How we know that record? I'm sure. It's a concept album written by a gay poet. Are you lying now?

I am not lying. Rod McEwan by a gay poet. Are you lying though? I am not lying. Rod McEwan was a gay poet in 1960, and I wrote an album for Frank Sinatra called A Man Alone. It's amazing music. Is it helpful? It's theme full. Well, it's about, you know, Frank is now over 50, and he's like, in me you see a man alone, but not lonely.

See, except when the darkness comes. I'm not sure, except when the darkness comes. I met him and. It was amazing. You blew him up. No? Yeah, I'd tell. Would you have blown him a few if he said he wanted him? No, really. I mean, it's Frank Sinatra. You wouldn't want it to say this.

Just to see the white house. Just to say you'd had his cock in your mouth. I will never ever just to create the memory of Frank Sinatra's way answering that question. I'll take that as a yes. Take that as a yes. ever, ever just to create the memory of thanks and archway, answering that question. LAUGHTER I'll take that as a yes. I'll take that as a yes. I can't, I still have none.

It's an archer. Me too. These boots are made for walking. Yes, so good. But how creepy was it? That they sang a romantic duet as a father and daughter. Do you look for the dark in those things?

No, no, no, I'm not the... I don't think I am the only one. Do you know what the dark in most things? No, no, no, I'm not I don't think I am the only one Do you know what song I'm talking about? Something stupid. Oh, but saying something stupid like your head. We had a version of that, you know back in the time. You know it. Yeah, I know that song of course Now that came out in 1966. Yeah, I owe you God, I was a child. 66.

Four, five. You think you heard it then, and you heard that song? From being in the house? I don't know if I knew it. That, yeah, I mean, it was a really famous song in the UK. Right. I might even have had to be five, that maybe it was, because my dad was a builder, so my dad used to take stuff from houses

that people had run away from or the other thing in the UK called a moonlight flip, where you, you know, stack your bills, leave all your belongings. So we used to get a lot of these records, so I heard a lot of stuff because of that, but also stack records on the radio, Nancy Sinatra, these bits made for walking,

more obviously loves Nancy Sinatra as well, so their friends the stars are red the perfume fills my head Come on man, you know you got a heart on when you heard that probably no I do Because Nancy Sinatra was hot, but it was yeah, I difference I was in love with Lou Reed it seemed wrong. He was singing it with her father. Okay, we're better again. It's a song. It was very real life. It was like, it should be redone by Trump and Ivanka.

That would be amazing. That would be amazing. Somebody out there, please do an AI of Trump and Ivanka seeing something stupid. Oh no, I thought you meant Melania. I was like, oh my god, he's tracking me into the dark. No, it's the daughter who he really loves. Don't push me into corners that are so dark.

I mean, that is dark, that Trump has this, I mean, maybe that's an exaggeration, but he does seem like, he's not afraid to be inappropriate in talking about his daughter in like how hot she is and they're dead. If that was the comedian though, would you like say, to be inappropriate in talking about his daughter in like how hot she is and her tits and... If that was the comedian though would you like say if it's okay? No I just it just points to my theme with Trump as always he's he's stupid and he's crazy he's both things like that sounds like a song to me well he's stupid and he's crazy

Something stupid. Could be in my Trump opera. I'm not right, Trump opera. I mean, he's, he's perfect for an opera's character. So you think? Well, of course. Like Jerry Spingar. Well, bigger than life and people, everybody knows the story and I mean,

they would shit on it, but then they would go to it because it's interesting. You put me in there and you'll be laughing. As Trump? I mean they're both blondes with big tits. You're fucking funny. I heard that. You're really going to write an opera about Trump?

I thought about it last night. I think it's a great idea, actually. It's just not the same. The same moment. The whole thing is a full term. You just have to wait till we have the information that would provide the final act. What is the final act?

Is he reinstated like either Perone to the presidency, which could happen next year. He could definitely cry for me. I continue. I can see that. That's a terrible. I don't know. It's very, sometimes I watch like pop culture.

And I think I'll be great to know what's going to happen like six months from now. I'd love to be able to jump forward and not that I want to lose that precious time, but it's fascinating where we'll be this time next year. Well, I would be thinking about life and things and I'm just always thinking about you. And as far as you go, an opera by Trump, you can't do it until there is the day normal. There has to be, we have to have an ending to this. It can't be in midi-us-rest as a- I'll put it all out.

Yeah. Yeah. And he could live to a hundred. I don't know. David Burns is done in musical about, he could haunt this country for another 20 years. I mean, Mel Demarcos, David Burns. Yes.

The show. What do you think about that? I mean, I like David Berns though. I do too. I had a wonderful time. I had a wonderful time with anything. I went to see Moulin Rouge and I love the fact that he got Benning down the house in that such a great song.

It's so out of context in that show, but you just realize, yeah, it's a great tune. I love that tune. Your petrified is a great song. It is. That's a great tune, I love that tune. Your petrified is a great song. It is. That's a great church. That was actually a bit. That's the, to me, that in the final song,

those are the winners. I have to tell you that that song petrified was kind of written in a style of like, let it in in Yoko. You had the intro to that. You had the original demo. I'm not laughing. No, you can laugh. No, no, no, I'm not laughing. I'm going to listen to what you recommend. I'm going to or I'll just go to...

I even imagine a singing that chorus. I am. When you're a looor. So say T-Rex. And I do you run and hide. So T-Rex. Great. So T-Rex, are you OK? It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song.

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It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. It's a great song. impersonating her. But I'm just telling you, at least here in America, the Colin Perception of Yoko is shrieking. It's, it's a tonal shrieking. What do you have? But that's because people have an explored. Okay, you're right. Maybe she's got a cover of Crimson and Clover that's going to knock me out my ass. He's really good.

Okay, interesting. I am so anxious to have this. We'll change our minds about Yoko. I promise you. You had it here for me. I'm rooting for him. I'm so rooting for it. Really?

I love her. I'll make sure the mates. I always want more goodness. I love her in it. Yes. I don't think he had good judgment. Yeah, I mean, not always, but I think he had, yeah, he loved you. Okay.

Yes, but when you watch the Peter Jackson, let it be get back. Did you watch it the nine hour? No, no, no, no They say they like off the okay You're not so I can get full with you're not interested in the Beatles. No, I mean such the Beatles But not to the extent I want to watch a nine hour film. Okay, well, that's... I watch it in bits. I might watch bits in bits.

Anyway, it's interesting. It's a color, I think. Can I summarize it for you? Yeah, you got one. Would you be interested? Of course, though. Okay. And this is at a real Beatles fire.

You think I talk a lot? No, I don't. You talk much more than I do. I'm not counting. It's not like... Oh, I am. It's all a lot. No, I don't. You talk much more than I do. I'm not I'm not counting It's not like I'm not Attention, I went on that sorry, I bet it's both That we know that's hardly true Tell me about this. Okay, so the big takeaway is that for you for you

Trust me trust me you Trust me at this point. This is unmistakable. I'm gonna have no one gonna argue with this. I can. Okay. It is a snapshot of time. It is the one month of their lives, January 1969. All right.

So I'm only talking about one month of their life. But in that month, I promise you, John Lennon and Paul McCartney did not hate each other. There's nine hours of footage, you can't hide it. They are still in love with each other. Not, you know, not. That's just a detail though. Okay.

And you can say that. But I contact jokes between themselves, just laughing, kidding around silly shit that lovers do. And the other two Beatles are there and they like them, but it's just so obvious. He ignores Yoko the whole time. She's there. She's like a potted plant. She sits there.

He never even talks to her. She's just there. He's locked in with Paul McCartney that was the pull down that was the Beatles apparently not that the other two were in great because they were but these two had a thing George Harrison sorry my here right yes me too I mean I'm ring I see come on Ringo's the main thing. Okay, but this was the group. Every group has a nexus. And...

Well, yeah, but... It's also the sum of its parts, isn't it? It's like, why something works is because he was in the room sometime. Yes and no. Yes and no, but yes and no. If it, no and yes. Ha ha ha ha.

There's no disrespect to George Harrison and Paul Mico, and Ringo Starrer. But if it had just been John and Paul, they probably, I mean, they may one record. But if you only wrote, here comes the son, that's the son. That's a great record. You know, or while my guitar gently weed. Yeah, he wrote, I'm a big George Harrison thing. What's the other one?

Oh, there's hundreds of them. Not hundreds, no. But there's more than people know, you know, poor little girl, during Characterson, cheer down, not when the message is trashed or awesome. And I don't see, you know, I think it's, I cool onto the Beatles quite late, you know,

it's missed the sort of maniacs I was a child, but I cool onto the more psychedelic, you know, Sarge and Pepper, revolver, all that stuff is when I got into the Beatles. Right. When they were being really experimental and, you know, well, George, I mean, George Harrison invented the charity rock concert, which I know you did band it. I know, yes, you did band it. I did the record, not the gig, not the show.

I didn't do live idol, it's a record. But the Christmas. Right? You guys are the Christmas one, yeah. Don't they? What is it? Feed the world. But wasn't it?

Don't do they know it's Christmas? Yeah, feed the world. We call it Feed the world. Such a, that's what in my Christmas playlist, that's a great Christmas song. It is a good song. It is a good song. It's like a really good record.

Yeah. Anyway, but he invented that in 1971 with the concert for Bangladesh, although I say brilliant comedian friend of mine pointed out perhaps the most unfortunate in artful lyric ever was Bangladesh, Bangladesh. It sure looks like a mess. Oh, you come on. There you go. But with great songs.

It works. The song is great. It works. George Harris had a way of writing like upbeat songs with like downbeat lyrics. But that's I think that's me. It's kind of happy. Yeah. No, it can kind of be great.

Oh, see, right. It's like a, you know, I just worked on something that's. Do you know this song he made for John Lennon after John Lennon was killed? Called All those years ago? No. No. Is that Paul McCartney? No. Paul McCartney?

No. Paul McCartney. Oh, George Harrison. George Paul did a song called Here Today that was his tribute. You know that one? Yeah, I mean, obviously all these, it's not a much of a stuff, but I have to note for you. All those years ago is an awesome record. It's a great upbeat rocker, but the lyrics are all about like John Lennon.

Yeah, I'm more of a, I mean, I'm an bi-we obsessive. I know. I know. I'm a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,on. Yeah, I'm more of a, I mean, I'm a Bowie obsessive. I know. That's where my area of expertise in terms of, you know, if I was gonna... My humor's great. Because that's gonna do a quiz. It would be a Bowie quiz, although I probably get a lot of that wrong man anyway, because I've, you know,

been immersed in my own stuff for so long, you know. I'm not a teenager anymore. So, but the Bowie still pretty much know every lyric to every song you ever wrote. You are a teenager. You're a teenager in your mind. See, that's one of the great things about not marrying or having children. Is that you're still like the youngest person of your immediate DNA. You know what I mean? Like, there's no version 2.0 of you, so you're still having to hold up the part of life that is fun. And, you know, I think I pursue joy in a way that I didn't when I was younger.

And it's not particular things that make me happy. Kind of everything sort of makes me happy. I don't want to be gross. Well, I even, some of my own thoughts could be such a pleasure. Well, it was a pleasure to have you all, good luck with all your future projects. Oh, yeah. I know when to wrap up.

Oh yeah, I know when to wrap up.