Club Random with Bill Maher - Brad Paisley | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Bill Maher and Brad Paisley on what rap and country have in common, the joke West Virginians find funny, how the best lyrics fit on a t-shirt, the one instrument Bill can't stand, Brad's hit song with LL Cool J, how art moves us forward as a society, favorite QAnon theories, the tuba players’ burden, Bill’s issue with Miley’s song Flowers, and Bill’s awesome idea for a TV remake. 

Clown right now. Like the last thing I saw you on was like the Paul Simon tribute. Yeah. What a player you are. Thanks for saying that. What song did you sing, I'm too? I did a couple. I did one with Bonnie. I did the...

What was the song? Because I know every... I did Coda Crom. Coda Crom. Which is a part. Like open the show, right? And then you did another one? A slow one? Yeah, I played guitar for Bonnie and sang harmony.

I'm Bonnie Rape, did something so right. Which is, it's a jassil. That's just. You know who does an amazing cover of that is Barbara Streitze. Oh, I bet. Did you know that? No, I've never heard that.

It's on the way we were out. Oh, wow. I should look that up. You absolutely have to. Because the thing about Paul, it's so funny. All of us backstage, we were all shitting a brick because like, here's Code of Chrome, that all of us know it, we know it by heart, right?

Except until you try to play it, and there's three barf rays, and then it's a five barf rays the second time before it goes into the course, and it's so intricate and crazy the way he would write. I think he would like try to screw with bands that wanted to cover his material and make it too hard for anybody to play.

I, it's funny you say that because I remember reading and I'm a huge Paul Simon's. But sometimes people can be so good and so far advanced in what they're doing. That they can get a little ahead of the parade where the regular people are. Oh yeah. He's living in another planet.

I mean, Paul is such a genius. You can't remember where the parade is. Well, but what's crazy is he's made a career of doing that exact thing and everyone loves it and wants more. And I don't think anybody else has gotten away with being that brilliant for that long. I couldn't agree more. I mean, honestly, and I love some of the album, like, like, the two in the early 80s were

flops, and they're my favorites. One Trick Pony. One Trick Pony is great. Which is another very jazzy, because it's that kind of, it's about a band on the road. And all the songs, it's almost reminds me of Jackson Brown's running on empty album. It's recorded in hotel rooms and on the bus. And it sounds, it was 1977, it still sounds amazing.

And that was the feel of One Trick Pony, because he was a singer in a band. Yeah. And he had a hit. Totally. But it wasn't, but now his career wasn't go, it never really took off. I love it when he does the sort of premise, almost what I'd call, it's like a soundtrack. It's like he creates characters in a fictional movie around

the album. He just sent me his new record last week, which is just about to come out. So we're on here to plug Paul now, which is great. Let's do it. But it's called Seven Psalms. And he's so, like you say, ahead of the parade, it's one file. It is 33 minutes, no breaks. You can only hear the whole thing. Yeah, see, that doesn't work for me. I loved it. And then, but you're a musician. The way he is, he's, I talked to him about it this week. I said, so what, how did you do this? And he said, I said, what about the presentation on this and how's that going to work for people? He said, I don't care. It's how it's supposed to be present. Yeah. Okay. What I was going to say is I remember reading an interview with him, maybe like,

you know, this century, like 10 years ago or something. And he was talking something about, like there were tonal deep, like gradations that we hadn't been aware of. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. he put out in this century that I do still like, but it's not, I feel like the commercial, he hit that sweet spot between, it's commercially just fantastic, but also original. Yeah, yeah. And for sure. It's nothing as formulaic. I mean, some of these songs, the other album that did not do well, I don't think in the early 80s was Hearts and Bones,

which is an amazing record. It's amazing. It's a metal saw. I mean, remember the late great Johnny Ace? Do you remember that song? He wrote what John Lennon died? That's right. Oh.

I know, and... But he's like, it's so funny when you talk to him too about this stuff. It's so interesting because what you're doing is you're doing is you're discussing a friend of mine and I were talking about it the other day. You're discussing the theory of relativity with Einstein.

And that meanwhile, Einstein wants to know what you think. It's so interesting, because it's like, you're so far advanced ahead of us. It doesn't matter what we think. It's wild. Well, I think you bring a little modest. I mean, what is that a regular cigar? It's a cigar.

Oh, you smoke cigars. I do. I never understood the point, Brad. I mean, you don't inhale it, right? No, you don't. If you're inhaling it, you're doing it. You're doing it, wait, your life is going to regret. You have bigger problems. Yeah, no, it's not. OK, so you don inhaling it, you're doing it, you're doing it, wait, your life is gonna regret it. You have bigger problems.

Yeah, no, it's not. Okay, so you don't inhale it, so you're not getting that thing that we feel in our throats that we like for some reason. And it stinks and it doesn't get you high. Tell me where the good part of this is. Now you're maybe really, really think the whole thing. I don't know why I'm doing it. Well, I don't know.

You look good doing it. You definitely look good. I think it's... I don't do you. You look like your late 30s and I bet you your older because I know you had records out like... I shouldn't even out myself. 25 years ago now 50 you're 50 wow tell my wife I don't look 50 she says I do she's wrong well see this is what I don't get about

marriage like why you what like you think I could say that to her no in reverse I definitely couldn't like married people they get to this place where they say mean things to each other, and it's just sort of accepted. I don't get it. It's basically every married couple becomes Don Rickles. And really? And they each take their turns. Yeah, for sure.

If it works. How long have you been married? 20 years. 20 years. It was 20 years in March. That's, I mean, to. Right. It's impossible. We've basically we're way past the deadline on it. No, I think you've passed the difficult part. Oh, yeah. What is the difficult part? The difficult part is The difficult part is sort of like you start the journey and then I think you either find out you're compatible or you've made a huge mistake. And in my case, we found out we were completely

compatible, especially as it as it as time went on. And you either evolved together or it doesn't work. together or it doesn't work. I think. In our case, yeah, I mean, and we were both older. We were in our 30s before we got married. So that, you know, I was 31 I got married. So. That's hysterical. You consider that older.

Older than Glendale West Virginia where I'm from. Yes. All of my high school friends were married and divorced by the time I was married. I mean, never gotten married. I am way behind the... were married and divorced by the time I was married. I mean, never gotten married. I'm way behind the... And it works for you.

Look at this cave. I don't even want to say man cave. It's a cave. It's the best. Actually, thank you. It's actually, it really is a nightclub. It doesn't seem that when the music's not on. But I'd love to get you here sometime when we can play.

Let's do that. That'd be great. Please. I would love to get you here sometime when we can play. Let's do that. All right, please. I would love that. What about, when you're like, if you're at a party and your song comes on, is it embarrassing? Is it like, I hate that. I hate that shit.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I never watch myself either. To me, it's like, also, I mean, in a music that's on when we're eating dinner, anything, my mind is going there. It'd be like if they put on a comedy record and you're trying to eat. Exactly. Even if it's not you. Even if it's somebody you just, I don't know. I'd be like if they put on a comedy record and you're trying to eat. Exactly.

Even if it's not you, even if it's somebody you just actually. It's not me. Right. Yeah. But me too. Yeah. No, I agree. It's what they call a bustman's holiday. It is. It's back when people used to take a bus to take a holiday. So the bustman, it was not

really a good gig for him to go. Right, of course. But, you know, I couldn't agree more. I, but I must say like, a lot of you, really good country guys, I like the old, the more the years go on. I like better because I feel like, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I feel like you start out a little too country for me, you know, for my new Jersey ears. Yeah.

There's just a kind of a twangy part of it. Lyri噩s, the country songs are the cleverest. They can. And rap. Yeah, that's interesting. They have that in common. Rap in country, both a real premium on Lyri噩s that I think is very often, not always, of course, but very often absence in pop. You can put out a pop record with really horrible lyrics,

the Beatles did it many times. Well, and it's, yeah, it's funny. They did, and then we all want to do that. But it's like they... Well, the music was so good knowing care. No, it didn't matter. And rap in country are kissing cousins. In country we're really doing it. But I've heard rap resided to me.

They say there's a lot of things in common. Like, you know, the tour bus is full of your cousins. Right, that's true. That's true. Right? Yeah. You know? Yeah.

And it's a very kind of a family thing. And, you know, I mean. And in country, those are your groupies. Your cousins? Yeah, no, I'm kidding. Oh, I, it's an incest joke. No, I fear those tonight. You'll hear a few.

Yeah. Well, you're from West Virginia, right? Yes. That's the state that when comedians go to an incest joke, that's the state date. What's funny about us from that state is people would think we'd be offended, but we find it funny.

I'm sure you do. We totally do. Yeah, and the thing I was saying about the music, it's not, again, the lyrics are always clever. I mean, you have some very clever, you know, like what's that, when time well wasted, is not a record, is not a, okay. That's such a clever saying.

I mean, I wish I thought of that, time well wasted. It's perfect, it's three words. The best says everything. The best, says everything. The best country songs fit on a t-shirt. You know what I'm saying? Like the hook of the song, like in some ways, not always. But that sort of idea of it's like punch line payoff and it's definitely kin to stand up.

What about it? It really is. Punchy, I mean, I think in every art form, punchy is better. I think the problem more artists have than any other problem is they do not have to be their own editor. They do not have to kill their children.

You have to kill your children. I'm sure when you make a record, and there's 12 cuts on it, I'm sure you made more, right? For sure, in fact, I'm- You threw some away. I'm neck deep right now in that, like trying to figure out what's on this next album.

I think I have it figured out, but it's still a matter of, does it fit the vision, and you really want to make sure, with what you're doing, that I like, I never like to do albums that are just, like, these are the songs that I wrote during this time period, and some of them don't fit

the theme. Like, I feel like it's always going to have a little bit of a through line, because a great song, well, you can wait. You could wait an album or two if it doesn't fit stylistically where you're headed. And I think, but that's, I'm in dinosaur because I still care about that. It right now is solid. You are, but I'm in dinosaur too.

I like the album format, you know. Me too. And like, there's probably, you know, I would say, maybe a hundred albums in my entire collection. And I am a meticulous curator of, this goes back, I mean I started listening in the late 60s. My early favorites are from when I was 12 years old in 1968, so that's when I first was into music. But that's some amazing music from 69, 70, okay. So, and then the 70s, 80s, 90s, I feel like the DJ in my car,

the greatest hits of today. But of all the decades, this maybe a hundred albums where I would say the album is good all the way through. Yeah. As opposed to like, oh, and that's why I love the old iPod, because I like to like take just the songs I like. I will still download albums because I feel like people should get paid.

I don't want to, you know. I agree. I'm sure you do. Well, and even not in my standpoint, it's still about, it really is about these people that worked on them and also just the idea that the art existed in that way. And it's just, it does feel like a butcher cutting these things up from time to time. But, you know, the old country stuff to me, when, you know, you're talking about that old stuff,

that's what I was raised on. I was raised on George John. Oh, of course. And I can know I had good buck o'learns all that. Right. And there's, I don't know what instrument it is, And I can be... And I can be... And I can be... And I can be... And I can be... And I can be... And I can be...

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just, you make them call you boss. Oh, yeah. You should. You're a boss. That's so funny. But like when what I was thinking was that like, and then as time goes on, I feel like country stars very often move closer to my area, like the guitars or more electric. We lose the twang. It still has the best of country, and you have songs like that. I mean, the one you did with L.O. Cool J,

which is really quite a, I mean, quite ahead of its time too. A little bit, because when you think about, yeah, when you go back to that, maybe behind, I don't know if they'd even do it today, because they wouldn't do it. No, I mean, to be sensitive about. It was a third rail rail and that was an album

and this is a great case for an album where I wanted the album to be a collection of things that are not expected where you're out on that limb and that was one and what's ironic about that song was it was an album cut and got so much attention. I had a number one song in country music that week that had nothing to do with that, but that was the ticker on scene.

I've never seen it, and LL and I were doing it. Well, yeah, if you put out a song, called Accidental Races, with a giant African-American music star. One of the pioneers obviously of rap and what was interesting about how that came about too was essentially he and I I had this idea to play characters in this song to be to be um, I wanted to be the southerner wearing the skinnered shirt saying

saying that that was before like Dylan Roof shot people with in a church, and it was before there was the debate about all of the Confederate monuments and all of these things. We were ahead of this thing that was about to happen and had no idea. But in that sense, what I tried to do and that was go on the journey and let people say to me, here is the issue we're having, especially in LL's camp where, you know, the African American community wanted to talk about why they did not like it that we were talking about this and what we said or whatever it was.

And that was such a great, it was a crazy time and it was a hard thing to be misunderstood, but at the same time, we set out to learn. We set out to do that with that song and in the end, I guess that's what art does, but at the same time, we set out to learn. We set out to do that with that song, and in the end, I guess that's what art does, but it was crazy. It's exactly. Crazy for me, as you can imagine. And it's also what democracy does.

I would think. And it's also what has to happen in multi-racial societies. I feel like, wokeness in many ways set us back. There's an interesting thing about the woke culture thing that a friend of mine who's a psychologist told me, that this is an interesting comparison because I understand the need for the progress. I've always loved on your show when you talk about

celebrating the progress. We don't take the time to do that, to celebrate it. But in the wokeness sense, there's things about when woke goes off the rails. It's when they lean towards being occult themselves. And that is where it's got to repent. You got to do this. A religion.

Yeah, there's sort of... John McFarner, African American, I love him. He's a genius. He's on my show as much as I can get. He's a professor. But he wrote a whole book about that, the religion of anti-racism. Right. You know, he talked, there's an original sin, you know, you're born with whiteness and,

you know, I mean, it's just, we went to such a ridiculous place with this. We were, I felt like, look, we're always in a process of healing, but like Obama was a truly great moment. Did it solve everything? Of course not. But could we just, you know, if we just like stayed with what he was saying, he became a star in 2004 at the Democratic Convention when he made the big speech.

No, it's somewhat fanciful, but it's hopeful. You know, he said, we are not black Americans, and white Americans, we are not Latino states, and there's not red states and blue states, we are the United States. And like, yes, he was like, here I am, half black, half white, I kind of am representing where this country is going.

We have to live together. There's no reason to hate each other. There's reason to hate what people in the past did and some people in the present, yes. But not all. And now I feel like it's just, there's this people walking on eggshells and for races, which of course are continually intermarrying more. I mean, it's happening whether they're lots of segregated dorms on colleges and you can try, but it's happening.

People are still coming together as they should. And I felt like we were at a better place in the sense that we used to be able to talk about it more, like your song, joke about it more. People become asshole buddies when they joke with each other. Now I feel like we're at this place where, oh no, that's funny and I think he laughed, but I better not. Right, and I think- Because if it goes wrong, I definitely think that's the path forward for all of us is finding the humor and the forgiveness.

And that's gotta happen. I mean, as I look at, like I've talked about, I said this to some friends of mine about, when it comes to trans rights and people trying to become more accepted, they're missing the modern family moment. They're missing that thing where, because look, I came from West Virginia.

I did not know a single person who was out of the closet in West Virginia, but before I moved to Tennessee, not one. And I don't think I did living in New Jersey either. And of course, I'm a little older than you, but, you know, I mean, people keep to their tribes, especially back in that thing. I mean, to this day their tribes, and especially back in that sense. I mean, to this day, I really don't know a trans person. And that's not because I'm not trying to avoid them. I just feel like we obviously, you know, don't travel in the same circles,

but I'd be perfectly open to being friends with anybody. I've got a few, and the thing about that is that when I think back to when I moved to town in Tennessee and started this journey of being a music artist, here comes Ellen doing what she did for gay rights and people becoming like, oh wow, this is, she's funny and I really like her and the next thing you know, here's Will and Grace, but then modern family I had the most conservative friends of mine watch modern family and their favorite two characters were were Mitch and

Camp the you know the Erickstone Street and it was it was the type of thing where you would they would tune in every week to see that couple and That moment the next thing you know, they would tune in every week to see that couple. And that moment, the next thing, you know, we all woke up one day and it was, everybody seemed for that. And I, it's no coincidence that art had taken us there as society. TV specifically. TV. And I feel like. TV, when TV shows people something, it normalizes it for good and bad. It normalizes Donald Trump. Yeah. But it also normalized you're right. Game will in grace. You know, it's like, oh, it's, and this is interesting that, you know,

your friends would relate most to the, to the gay characters, which tells me your friends are probably gay. They, I'll let them know. It's like that, it's like they thought, oh man, I understand the things this couple is going through, you know. And of course, because, yeah. And that's the overarching point of this whole discussion we're having is that, you know,

it's not impossible to get to the place. Even with our horrible, sorry racial history, and our sorry history to women and to every fucking person I get it, except the white men. It's not impossible to get to a place now where we recognize we actually have more in common. You know, there was a time when we didn't, where white people and black people had so little in common because,

of course, the oppression, the horrible oppression that was visited upon them. So you couldn't even, in the south, you couldn't look a white person in the eye walking down the street. Obviously, you don't have anything in common with that person. Now, we're all in line together. It's Starbucks and we're doing this and we're doing, you know, there are still person. Now, we're all in line together at Starbucks, and we're doing this, and we're doing, you know, there are still problems, yes, of course.

Nothing will ever be perfected. But I keep saying, can we just live in the year we're living in? Can we not go by these zombie lives, you know, which are lies that something that's been debunked? It comes back to celebrating how pretending is always come alive. Yeah, right.

And a sub-retend that were in 1958 or 78. Let's just live in the year we're living in, acknowledge that there's work to be done, and buy your records. I know, you know, what's Gleefe is coming here. Is he really? After I'm done with you, Brad. That's going to be just like this. It'll be exactly. Oh, also speaking of music, Spotify put us on video now. We were just...

Oh, that's great. We were just... It is. No, that's... Yeah. Because I've been worried in the video version of this on Apple. Yes. I feel like it's much better to see it because you know, I don't know if you saw Richard Dreyfus, but I did. Okay, that was, you have to see that one, though. Thinking into the chair as it, I thought that you know, eating Richard Dreyfus. When I started this, I said, I want to find a place where I can make the guests feel even more comfortable. Of course, it's always the host I can make the guests feel even more comfortable.

Of course, it's always the host wish to make the guests up. But I want to take it to a new level and I feel with that episode I did. I mean, I feel like you definitely did. I learned more about Richard Dupes than I ever wanted to know. How can I know to make you more comfortable, Brad Paisley? Can I? You don't smoke the wacky weed anymore? I know.

I've never done it. Oh, come on. Never. This is not the day Actually, I would be a very good one to get stoned with for the first time first of all 45 years of experience. Yes for sure. Okay. That's something I Were here in a place where we could get help if you freaked out or something, which I don't think would happen. Which I definitely would.

But I would be a perfect one to talk you down, being older and a wisdom of the years. All of that stuff. I'm telling you. You're not making me feel better about it. That's amazing. But see, that's another thing I feel like country stars, especially in the modern era, and maybe not back in the Hank Williams day,

but country stars and rap stars, both big stoners. Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg, the two biggest donors in the world. For sure. That's out of me and Woody Harrelson. And they both, they're both, well, will he's 90 now, so he's slow down a little. Yeah, he's sharp as a tack, still.

Yes. I mean, it's an amazing thing. But he doesn't smoke constantly, like he did all his life. Doesn't he? No, not anymore. The biggest, the most smoke I've ever seen come out of a human being was Keith Richards,

when I've done some shows with the stones, and it's like, and Keith's like, I think I'm kind of out of the dressing room. And he comes to the dressing room and like this big, it's a, he's smoking a football, you know. Like this, he's Richards. Yeah, what year is this? I don't know, maybe I don't want to get him in trouble

a while ago. Why would that get him Keith Richards? Yeah, let's not get him in trouble. No, let's not get him in trouble. Let's not get him in trouble. He was a drug ago. Why would that get him Keith Richards? Yeah, let's not get out of the bag. That he was a drug user. The teens, like 2015 probably. 26. That's like the tame is thing he's ever done.

Well, that's the thing is he's never done. He considers himself sober because it's now vodka and weed is all he does. I mean, this guy was so fucked up. He had to like steal the blood of Swiss children. How old is he? Do you remember that? Oh, yeah.

He like went to Switzerland or something and put in children's blood, actually. Giving birth to the QAnon theory. I, I, I, I think now that I'm mentioning this, I think I'd like to do that myself. Switzerland is a wonderful place. And children have great blood. They do.

I mean, that's the one good thing about them. That's why I had kids. We can take... Right, because they're blood with fit in you, of course. It totally does. Yeah. Right. Every night I say, good night, put on your IV.

And that's how we do it. They say when you... When they give young blood in the lab to old mice, they act young. And when they put old blood in young mice, they act old. It's a lot about the blood. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's probably true. And you're not helping the QAnon theory right now. What's the QAnon theory? Oh, the celebrities in Hollywood, all. Oh, eat babies and drink their blood. Drink their blood. Yeah, yeah. I really, I just, yeah, you're literally, they are gonna put, this is gonna. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The garrison killer. He always wears red shoes.

Oh, I didn't know that. Well, he must be like the president then. They have a thing that red shoes is like our way of signaling that we're the part of the pedophile cult with the baby eating cult. And they have, they found a picture of me. I did have a pair of... I thought they were brats. That's your fault, Bill.

Ever wearing red shoes? I know. You are not a red shoes. You can't pull off red shoes. I was 30 or whatever. Well maybe then. Even then I couldn't. But I'm saying I should be forgiven for being stupid.

But I, first of all, I thought they were burgundy. And they really were, but they were a little too reddish. It's true. Actually, they're... I don't know. I'd have to look at them again. I still have them. They were actually the first pair of shoes I ever bought. So it must go back to my 20s.

I remember there was the first pair of nice shoes I ever personally bought. And they were red. In this, you know, in pictures they can come out a different shade than it really is. Yeah, always. So, or maybe they doctored it, but they were reddish and they looked red in the picture.

And I remember there was a thing in the press for a little bit when they were saying, oh, we found out that. So, ever since then, but I've said a couple of times on the show I did a whole bit where I said, I was cute, because we don't know who cute is. And I knew a certain person. No, I saw those episodes.

Oh, really? I don't miss your show. Oh, that's great. I don't like that. I saw those episodes. Oh, really? I don't miss your show. Oh, that's great. Oh, I love that. I don't know. So, yeah, I said I was cute, and I know a certain percentage of them actually believe that, because it's so wrong, it's right.

It's like, who is the last person you would think would be cute? Yeah. And then it was, so some of them, I'm sure, are listening to this and say, oh, this isn't just a fake he's doing to make other people think he's not really cute, but we know it's a signal to us.

Right. So red shoes, yes, means you're one of those baby eaters. That's the, that's the signal. I'm thrown away my red shoes right now. Well, my red boots, I've got red cabbages. You're a rock star. You can, you can wear anything. I don't know about that.

Well, I do. I mean, you're up there, people are screaming, they're mouthing your words, as you sing your songs to them. You're playing guitars, you're all amped up, I mean, literally with amps, and hopefully not that scrolling thing that makes me think of the deliverance kid. And then-

If you ever come see a show. I will. I will make him take the night off. Still guitar player gets to watch from the first. But getting back to see, this is the problem in marijuana. You get off the track. Not that I had a track.

But my wrong that like a lot of guys like you, Keith Urban, you know, Kid Rock, although he was never really country, he was like actually more rap. He definitely, he's embedded himself in Nashville though, for sure. Right, but the country sound became more this pop sound

that I like with like Brooks and Dunn. Yeah, which interestingly, like Brooks and Dunn's a great example of their Rolling Stones influences very prevalent. Right. Right. But they definitely have some of those instruments you dislike in their music.

But hopefully you'll listen to that. But more in the early stuff. Right. So I'm saying as it went along, I felt like they, you know, it's like, hey, we're gonna make our sixth album. Who's gonna tell a claim that we won't need? Well, you just don't tell a claim. If you have enough money, you pay a claim anyway,

and you tell a front house guy, mute him. Don't let anybody hear him. I've got a few of those guys. Well, no, I think you're right though, that we certainly have adopted, we're way closer to the Eagles these days. Exactly. Then we are Eagles.

Then we are Hank Williams, but. Right. I lament some of that, because some of what was going on in the old days was art and genius. And George Jones, I mean, to me, the voice he had and the things he could do vocally, yeah, I mean, but in the same sense, like we are now certainly

inhabiting the lane where people would listen to the radio to hear Aliric, and they're listening to us, because they want to hear Aliric. Aliric and Alic. And Alic, and, you know, I'm always stealing from, because I grew up learning Clapton and learning Van Halen and like we cover Hot for Teacher in the show. We do, like, just because it's fun to do

and as a band we're able to. Not a lot of bands can even play that. My drummer is a beast. And so to be able to do that, to me, I love being able to say this is country too when we do it. And to be able to say, like somebody asked Whale and Jennings once, they said, what makes a song country? And he said, well, not sing it. And it's like, no kidding when he sings it. It probably is.

So why don't you have an accent? You're from West Virginia. I know, but I've been away long enough that a lot of it's gone. I think it's, I've been away long enough that a lot of it's gone. Yeah, you don't, you don't. I can, when I'm around my friends in Tennessee, sitting here with you, I'm sort of a newscaster, I lose it. You're a chameleon. I definitely. I see that.

Like people, yeah, I've said that's another thing that probably happens in the rap community. You know, maybe. Well, when you get too far, that's been what's been fun about this new album for me is, I named it Son of the Mountains because I'm from that place. And I just spent last weekend in West Virginia filming the photo shoot for the album cover and a couple of music videos. And one of the songs is about the area I'm from, or two of, several of them are, but one of them in particular is dealing with the opioid crisis.

And so I had to go back and immerse myself in that. I did interviews with survivors and interviews with some, the local sheriff and the local fire chief who is a, she was unbelievable, the stuff she, the local fire chief who is a she was unbelievable. The story she has of that. Because West Virginia was ground zero for this. So when you go back you start to see, oh okay this is where I'm from again. You do remove yourself and you next thing you know you have a big farm in Tennessee and

you've got success. You do? And you know. Well it's like saying one does or you do. I'm guessing both. I do and one does. We're all in this accepted, gated community where they stick the same.

Don't apologize for it. No, I'm not, but you worked hard. Well, what I'm saying though, it's very similar to wrapping that sense in that you don't want to get above your raising and you want to make sure that you can still realize that the best songs you wrote and the things that you are basically putting out for folks need to they it needs to tell the stories they want to hear and sometimes I'll write a

song like celebrity where I am making fun of yeah of that you know and and talking about what's the one where you say you're, it's funny again, very funny. Like, that's what I always was attracted, like, with country music, especially your stuff. Like, I'm much more interesting online. I'm so much cool online. I'm so much cooler online.

Again, something that is such a great universal observation that, you know, I think people who are not famous can understand what we're talking about. For sure. And people who are famous totally relate to that. Yeah. Well, it's like writing that was fun because I had the idea and then we were trying to find the subtle things you would say online.

My favorite verse of that is the second verse. I'll never forget I was writing this with Kelly Lovelace and Chris Dubois, two writers of mine. And I remember Chris sitting there and he was kind of quiet for a while. And I said, what are you thinking for the second verse? And he goes, where's the Rose Parade? I should pass it in. I said, is that L.A.? I was like, yeah. And he said, okay, cool. He's like, you know, in real life, the only time I've ever even been to L.A.? I was like, yeah. He said, okay, cool. He's like, you know, in real life, the only time I've ever even been to L.A. because you're claiming you're from L.A. in the song.

Right. It was when I got the chance in the marching band to play tuba in the Rose Pearl. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's a great line. I remember dying going that, that's a great line. And his exact thing was, he said,

I just remember the kid on the school bus, the other kids would bring their flute for band practice. They all picked the right instrument. The kid that picked tuba had to lug that damn tuba onto that school bus every day. And that's a great line. There's no way to look cool playing the tuba. It's amazing how a line like that in a song.

It's a million, it says, It's just like an Easter egg, you know. Well, that's what I like about country writing is when you get the line that's kind of a grenade. Like sort of, you pick the fine time to leave me Lucille, like Kenny Rogers song. In a bar in Toledo me Lucille like Kenny Rogers song. In a bar in Toledo, we looked like a mountain. Also the gambler, think about this, Don Schlitz writes the gambler for Kenny Rogers, right? Here's the opening line of the gambler.

On a warm summer's evening, on a train bound for nowhere, I met up with a gambler, We were both too tired to sleep. It's like, there's a million. You're in it immediately, yeah. Oh, God, it's like a script. Oh, I know. And that's when it's, that's when it's art. And that's what you strive for is like hitting that note.

Yeah. No, it's so funny. I used to have this argument with Clive Davis about lyrics. And, you know, I thought he knew something about music, but I was arguing with him. But for my personal taste, I would just say, Clive lyrics are not that important. Like, I have to like this song.

If I like this song, the lyrics, if they're great, it's a great extra. If they're not, I don't give a shit. Right. Again, the Beatles wrote some really terrible lyrics. I guess so, but it's a great extra if they're not I don't give a shit right I mean again the Beatles wrote some really terrible lyrics I guess so but it's funny because because they were just being that they built the house and young all of us are trying to build the same house so they're not terrible anymore in that sense well I'm talking about what's a terrible beetle love me do you know I love you

yeah they will always be true they moved moved on from that. Of course, I'm just saying. Right. They were still very young when they were starting. And so some of this stuff, and other stuff is genius. And some of it is just, I had a young girlfriend and one said, I like the Beatles, but they're just, oh, the lyrics are gobblygoog. And I was like, oh, first I was like, you know, offended. How, honey, how can you say that? And I thought, I'm breaking up. What's it like? Yeah, some of the more gobbly gook. A little, some of them are just, you know,

if you're stoned and you're thinking about them, like, you know, especially John Lennon, like to write, like picture, like McCartney wrote more, like he loved characters. He would think of a character. Desmond has a barrel in the marketplace. Yes, exactly. He's Desmond.

He's got, you know, Lady Madonna. Yeah. Eleanor Rigby is just like, he'd pick it. And, you know, George Harrison wrote about the Lord. A lot. Almost a whole lot. A lot. Yes.

And John would just, I feel like he was like, oh, sometimes he was inspired. And sometimes it was just like, yeah, it was like his oh, sometimes he was inspired and sometimes it was just like, yeah, it was like his, that book he put out once. He loved wordplay. And, you know, I don't know exactly what, an impression of his wife, which he made and donated to the National Trust,

a soap impression of his wife. I go, it was, what, I've been listening to it for 50 years. I don't know what it means. I don't care. The song is great. Well, and I get in my own way that way a little bit. Because I am so obsessed with the lyric being good that I think there's times when I'll

agonize over the melody and try and to say exactly what I want to say with a melody that works. And what's fascinating for me is when you marry them both and you can't. Of course. Yes. That's what I'm trying to do with the latest stuff is like make sure that if I'm calling something out of this, that it's the right one, that it's the one that doesn't take the box.

No, it's always better when you have both. Right. But if you don't have, you know, there are lyrics that I just don't understand. They're just sound pictures like Crimson and Clover, do you have a hear that one too? You know, it's the sound. It's just a sound collage. It just sounds great. Yeah.

And I don't know what the fuck it means. I don't care. Crimson and Clover, over and over. Yes, sure. Whatever. It's sexy. I mean over and over. Yes, sure. Whatever. It's sexy. I mean, the first line is, oh, I mean, put that on next time you're trying to get laid. Really? I saw it in a movie. I saw Mielecune's doing a movie. She's in this movie with, I think, Clive Owen. It's, it wasn't a big movie,

but it's kind of gritty. It's good. He's a convict anyway, it gets with her. And it's like the first time they're about to fuck. And this is like in the 70s, and she gets up the old turntable, and she puts the needle down. And first line of, you know, crimson and clover, I'm sure you could think it better than I could. I don't need to try today. And, you know, won't you come walk it over?

Oh, all that echoey stuff. Right, right. You know, and I'm waiting to show her. And some of it is you can understand it's very sexy. And then some of it, and then we go into Crimson and Club, we're in like, what the fuck? And then there are songs where I absolutely don't like the lyric. They're saying something, there's a new one like that. But I love the song, Miley Cyrus, Flowers.

Oh, you don't like the lyric of that? No. Why? Because I like the lyric of that. I think she hit what we were talking about right there, which is a lyric that is, I love the lyric, and then also the melody it is, and you meet it at my head.

It's a lot of the record. You said that, yeah. You said that, yeah. I do not like the idea. I can love myself better than you can. Well, I don't think that's a good message. I'm gonna argue on her behalf. I understand, it's a breakup album.

Yeah, it's about that. Where's she coming from? It's not about, it's not about. Right, but still. In principle. But of course, I have to relate to it. I have to hear it. So when she says, I can send myself flowers.

Yeah, you can, but the whole point of flowers is that somebody is sending to you. Yes, you can. You can do a lot of things. You can huff them and pledge. But it's not an idea I want in my head. And I don't think that it's very unromantic and it's not true.

No one can love you better. I mean, you can't get the kind of love you need from another person. Better than that guy. Better than what she's saying. I understand that. I understand it on that level. We're turning around on this.

No, no, no. I mean, it's both. We're both right. Yeah, you're right. But compared to, like, here's a song we could compare it to, Barbers dry sand and Neal Diamond had a big hit about 1980. You don't bring me flowers.

Correct. You don't bring me flowers anymore. You don't bring me flowers anymore. You don't bring me flowers anymore. Any more. And it's a very sad affecting song that every couple can relate to. You know where it's really true. When you lose that thing,

but she wants someone to bring her flowers, okay? And this is like, fuck off bitch. I don't need your flowers, okay? And this is like, fuck off, bitch. I don't need your flowers. And it made me think of masturbation, which I am a big fan of, and have been for many years, compared to these kids today, who sometimes they can't even get into a relationship

because they're so hooked on porn. And it's porn is so good now, we have to admit. They don't even want to bother with a girlfriend and I must say, as much as I love masturbation and as much as it is done for me, I never once did it and thought, this is better. This is, it's different and it's great to have it. But it never made me say, oh, I don't have to have sex because I have this. No, this is a good stop gap, but it's not better. And no one can love you better than someone else. No one can make you feel, you can't make yourself feel

the way another person can feel by, I guess, corroborating what you, oh, I thought I was a pretty good guy and this person fucking loves me. Right. But you know, and back to what you're saying where we're both right, that was the best advice I ever got from a co-writer and also a guy that ended up becoming a business partner in our publishing company. I would go in with a song and play him the song and say,

what do you think? He's like, I love it. That second verse doesn't make any sense. And I would say, no, you're wrong. And he's like, I can't be wrong. I'm not, I can't're wrong. And he's like, I can't be wrong. I'm not, I can't be right. It's an opinion I can't be wrong. He's like, I don't like it. And I'm like, well, you're wrong. And he's like, you can't say that. And would make me get better at that.

And that was the best, that's the advice I give Nashville aspiring writers is like, listen guys, do yourself a favor when somebody doesn't like something you did, they're probably being honest with you. They're not doing it to be a jerk, they're just being honest. And it's like you will become a better songwriter if you may not just listen. They also may not be right.

They may not, but at the same time, if somebody though says, I hate that. Because there's an awful lot of things that we know in the art world, not there's an awful lot of things that we know. Yeah, okay. In the art world, not just music, but lots of things where everyone thought it was a piece of shit or no one believed in it. And one person who was the artist believed in it

and pushed it through and then we look back and go, oh wow. Well, don't listen to the industry on that. Listen to your fans. If your fans love something, they're right. But you don't always know what the fans are gonna love because since you have to lead them, I mean. For sure.

And that's been my, that's been my thing. Nobody in country music lately is that, is trying to find ways to say things and get them to come with me, you know. And in the sense that it's like, guys, it's like, I know you're setting your ways on some of these things, but don't go the wrong direction on Ukraine.

Don't go the wrong direction in terms of freedom, in terms of the things that we all should have. And that's what this new record is largely looking at to me. Are these themes that it's like trying to get them, it's like a song I'm called American Saturday Night, which celebrates all of these people that make America what it is. And it's like, and what's fun is on any Saturday night in America in the middle of the heartland is this. Yeah, man. It's like, yeah, I know, I'm celebrating our diversity and they are too.

And so they're willing to do it if you take them there musically, but that's the thing is you've got to find a way to give them that thing that they like. But don't always let somebody, if they don't like something, you know, deter you because I'm telling you, you can think of a lot of songs, you know the beach boy is good vibration.

Totally. Okay, we're talking about 1965. I remember hearing I was probably nine years old hearing it on the beach. Yeah. Like I wasn't into music yet, but the radio was on. I was aware. And like you can see why, I mean looking back, I can see why nobody wanted to put that out. Right. That was not, I mean, it had the Beach Boys, harmonies and stuff, but it wasn't like, you know, Serbs City, you know, you know, they put out some, I mean, he was getting much more sophisticated

and that has some weird sonic flourishes in there. I don't even know what the instruments are. Oh, you know, it starts at, and it kind of changes tempos, and it's just one of those songs that it's a little symphony in a record we have, so Bohemian Rhapsody. For sure. Is another one, I'm sure they didn't want to put that, what, there's opera in the middle of it,

and all this kind of stuff, but somebody believes in it, and the audience doesn't know they're gonna like that until you put it out. For sure. And I think it's sort of like I think you probably find this in stand-up. There are jokes you know work and they're gonna work because you know they work and and you're gonna believe in that enough and you stand there and do it. You gotta lean it. You have to lean into that. Right. And the audience smells the fear. They know.

Of course. And they do in recorded music too. Like they know when you are like, yeah, I think when you're putting your toe in the water and going, I don't know what you think. They know. I still think it's easier for a musician. And I've seen plenty of times,

well, maybe not plenty of times, but I've seen enough times. Like I'm thinking specifically about charity events, where it's a big charity event, which are always the worst audience in the world for everybody. Usually. I always think, you people, charity should begin here.

Right. Can we have some charity for me? Right. Okay, so I've seen bands like performing at these places where I was probably performing also. And I could tell they fucking hated it. First of all, it's not their crowd. That's the same thing why I don't like it.

It's not my specific crowd. Right. Some people there who like you and some people. I saw the Eagles once. This is about 2007 or eight. It was right after their comeback album came out, which was awesome. No, no, no, no. That was 94 in 2007. Oh, I didn't want to do record. It was called One Road out of the E. It's a double album. It's fantastic. It fits right well into their other catalog. So they played, I think, the first song,

and the whole room is just talking. And I just wanted to stand up and shout, this is the fucking equals. I watched Glenn Fry. Tell me, tell me. I went to the forum. Joe, Joe Walls said, me, go, as a guest, and I went and watched from front of house at the

forum. I got to see them in the forum the last time that they did an intact with Glenn. Right. And which was when they reopened the forum, which is an amazing venue now. And I watched Glenn do his thing where he went off on that audience. Oh man, because he didn't like what they were doing. Like it was like watching a standup comedian just like tell him off like. But it was their show. Yeah, yeah. And he still didn't like the audience.

He didn't like what they were doing. He didn't like that they were. They were, it was interesting. It was too bad because it was like they were standing. He told them you should stand on the up tempos and sit on the ballads. You don't stand on the ballads. And I was like in the back and Joe was like's, like, he shouldn't have done that. But it was a bad night, he just did that.

But it didn't matter, I mean, the audience... Well, I mean, that's a compliment, but even on the ballads, they're standing. Yeah. It's not an insult. I know. But it was one of those things where some of these, that generation had their own ideas about what audiences should do, and maybe that's what their audiences did forever. I never heard anyone have that idea

about what audience should do. It was new to me too. I, I don't think we need to defend this at all. I think that's just pure nuts. I don't know why, but he was an ordinary guy. I remember after watching the great documentary on them, and I was talking about it with a friend, and they said, you know, Glenn wasn't just the co-writer and the great documentary on them and I was talking about it with a friend and I said,

you know, Glenn wasn't just the co-writer and the great harmonist, but he was also the general manager of the Eagles. It was like a sports team, but he kept trading players. It's like, yeah, you know what, I think I should. Sorry, we're gonna have to send you down. You were gonna send you down to Parker.

Yeah, because you know what? Bernie Lennon in the first incarnation of the, played a little bit of that stuff I don't like. Oh right, yeah the bent, yeah. And I got, and I'm gonna change my, if you're ever at a show, I might have changed my old damn set list. Not your old set list.

I'll be like, no, we're not doing that one tonight. Can't do that one, sorry. Not that heavy, that's heavy on the pedal steel. We're gonna have to. I'll be like, no, we're not doing that one tonight. Can't do that one, sorry. Not that heavy. That's heavy on the pedal steal. We're gonna have to, I can't wait to rattle my pedal steal-play-or-see. I don't think it's the pedal steal. I bet it is.

I can't, it really. It's not. I bet it is. Is that really? Is that the ultimate country instrument? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, really? I'm surprised that that was sound.

It might be that. It's not the banjo, it's that. No, it's not the fiddle. No, I always thought it was a bird you had trained Yeah, it's basically that Now you could certainly stick a bird you could stick a parakeet over here and get the same effect mic him up saves money on that Well, I would love to come see you sometimes. What's going on? Yeah.

When are you going to play Nashville again, you know? No, but I'm, let's see, I remember I was there in August. I think it was almost two years ago. It's got to be next year because I don't think it's this year. Maybe it was last year. Yeah, I played every two years, the Rhymen. The Rhymen is the best. The Rhymen is the best. It's an interesting thing that little preserved. And actually, you know, that's the thing about the Rhymen is the history of that place all the way back to what it began as a church where

they basically had the Confederate soldiers after the war. And the fact that it's come that far to do what it does and to host people like Aritha Franklin playing at a bench. And we have to do that. We have to bury the ghosts of the past. I remember when we did, I thought it was a pretty funny editorial one week, it was about five years ago. And who was it? Orion Reynolds got married on a,

they found out after the fact that they got married on in the South, on someplace that used to be a plantation. Yeah. So there had to be, you know, as always in America, a cringing apology about how horrible we are because we, and of course he's fucking from Canada. Why do we go through this charade?

Like what the fuck does Ryan Reynolds have to do with the Confederacy? And first of all, every inch of the South was a plantation. I mean, that's for fuck's sake. That was the thing for me, like moving from West Virginia to Tennessee in the 90s when I moved there to do this, and eventually buy a farm. I don't know what happened on my farm before I was there. There's no record of it, but it probably wouldn't good.

And it's like, I mean, you know, and it's like in that sense, but I'm from a state, like I've had this conversation with a lot of West Virginia. It's like, we're the state that said, no, and we exist because we said, we're going to leave. Really? Yeah, we were Virginia. We cut, we cut. Oh, that's right. And so, there aren't, you know, I didn't, I didn't grew up around that.

I didn't grew up around statues that need to be torn down or any of the, you know, any of that. And so when I moved to Tennessee, it was really, there was a lot of that culture shock a little bit. You know, it would be a really good remake Saturday Night Fever, but instead of in this urban setting where he is from Brooklyn, famously, you know, you've seen Saturday Night Fever with John Walter, you know, He's Tony Menero from Brooklyn. And his dream is to cross that river, even though, and that's many people's dreams in the boroughs of New York, right, you know, to cross the river to Manhattan, where the beautiful

people are and to make it there. And you can redo that, like, where you're from the small town, but you wanna get to like Mount Pilate. I remember in Andy Grippishore, they were always like, you know, they were in Mayberry, but if you're really like one, and you go shopping. And you go get Chinese and Mount Pilate.

You have Chinese food and you go to a movie and Mount Pilate. Or if you're in Raleigh, I mean, it made it to Raleigh. Raleigh was called the concrete jungle in Andy Grippish. Yeah. So you could do the country version of that. Well, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you had one for somebody, really? Yes, I did. I did. I had to, so many great ideas.

I remember thinking, yeah, you should make that. Right. I can spot a mile away who should be a detective on CBF. Oh, right. That, to me, that's always like when it's over. Not over, but like, you know, when they come to you for detective work on CBS, it means you were a star, a movie star, you were, and now, you know,

it's not horrible, it's a great, the place, great, the steady work. I can't think of a better fate. I can't. The starring Brad Paisley as detective. Really? Detective Lawrence. You would do that?

No. No, you never had any, you never had any interest would do that? No. No. You never had any- You never had any interest in like that. No. That's so smart. You know what? I've said no to a lot of things. Like they offered me a few things here and there and I was like, what's it do?

And they're like, yeah, it's three months ago. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Some of them have actually done quite well. Well, I mean, Tim- You know what I would do?

Oh, Tim's great. Tim is great at it. And he's worked at it. You know, I have an actress wife. I know what it takes. Right. And I don't think for a second I'm an actor. I know she's an actor. She married me. But it's like, it's like anything. No, seriously, she's like, no, there's times when it's like, I love you too. And I'm like, good job. Cause I know you've dealt right now. In the case of that though, I've never wanted to do, that's for other people. I mean, the one thing I would do, and I've said this forever,

is a Will Farrell movie or something like that. Like that, that's fun, but that's not the same as something with the Nero. I mean, you go and do something with Will, and it's like, I'm playing whatever, you can cast me as whatever you want, and I would be in that movie. But a lot of them, if you're genuinely a down home

country boy, it plays so well on camera. And they don't have to do a hell of a lot of acting because it's like a natural charm. You know who had turned in an amazing acting performance in the 70s, Mac Davis. Mac, well, you know what's funny? I bought it. No, I bought it.

No, I was Dallas 40, have you ever seen it? That was my first concert. I was five. And I begged my parents to take me to see Mac Davis at the Ohio State Fair. Wow. So they drive me a couple of hours to the Ohio State Fair to hear,

hard to be humble, and I believe in music and all of it. So I go to see Mac Davis, and I finally got to meet him later. He lived out here. And what's funny is yesterday, I go to this comic book memorabilia shop with my kids, and I see a Mac Davis album, and I had to buy it because just to hang it on the wall, it's called Stop and Smell the Roses, this is the name of the album, and his album is him with a cigarette. And a cowboy hat. Smell the cigarette, like literally half of the cigarettes gone. And the album's called Stop and Smell the Roses and I'm like, what art director said,

you know what sells this? Amaro Barrow in your fingers. It's the craziest album album I've ever seen. Oh, they just didn't care about it. I literally bought that yesterday. That was a good actor. In North Dallas for a year, he's fantastic. I caught him was at the time.

So to conclude our time together, and I hope we do it again either. I love it, I love it, anytime. Would you do it with me on a Mac Davis song that I just thought of, Winking Him? What's up? Baby, baby, don't get hooked on me. Baby, baby, don't get hooked on me.

Yeah, oh my God. Because I'll just, yes. And I'll set you free. There's a great line in that where he goes, and it's warm, where you're touching me. That's not my favorite thing. Those songs back then, what Bill Anderson, the great country writer in my buddy,

he used to call those skin songs. It was always about had to get some mention of touch and skin and your subtle skin. And you're, I felt like that was so blatant in an era where they censored anything. And it's warm where you're touching me. Well, there's a million of those back then in country music.

I mean, you know, if I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me? Well, it was amazing. And how that got past censors, but it did. How about Hunky Tonk, Badonka Donk, by our friend, Trace S. Yes. All right, I'll say, I'm gonna call him tonight, tomorrow, because we all have to get together.

You love him, right? I do, he's great. Thank you. Club Render. That was so much fun. So glad I got to know you. Thank you for having me. No, I appreciate it.

Club Render. That was so much fun. So much fun. So glad I got to know you. Thank you for having me. No, I appreciate it.