Club Random with Bill Maher - Dan Farah | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Bill Maher sits down with filmmaker Dan Farah to discuss his documentary "Age of Disclosure" about UFOs (sorry, UAPs!) and government cover-ups. Dan reveals what high-level intelligence officials told him on camera about crash retrievals and non-human beings. They debate everything from ocean-dwelling alien crafts to Steven Spielberg's prophetic filmmaking, why Mars is a terrible vacation spot, and whether getting probed is really as common as '90s pop culture suggested. Bill weighs in on whether Trump could be the one to announce “we are not alone” (with some very real concerns about optics), while also battling a stubborn Zippo lighter that may or may not need alien intervention. Support our Advertisers: -Get 10 free meals and a FREE Zwilling knife on your third box at https://www.hellofresh.com/random10fm -Head to https://www.squarespace.com/CLUBRANDOM to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code CLUBRANDOM.  Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Certainly they are not beefing. I don't think we would know. If they were beefing, right above us. He's the greatest filmmaker of all time. He is, absolutely. I always say about him, he's no. is the greatest filmmaker and he's still under me. Dan?

Hey, how you doing? Good to see you, man. Dan, your spaceship is double parked out. Thanks for having me. We're gonna have to move that. I got dropped off. You don't travel in a spaceship, Dan? Are there people who think that, do you get hate for being the apostle here of the UFOs?

No, no, no hate mail on that? on that? Not really. Not really. That's amazing because this country is so divided that I would think anything like, because certainly, you know, it's in your documentary and I talked about it on my show with Marjorie Taylor Green who concurs with some of the people in the defense department who think aliens, they're demons. We're talking about angels and demons, fallen angels is what Marjorie Taylor said. That's, I mean, you say aliens of other people. To me, this could be the dividing line to start like a lot of online fighting, no? You know, like everybody's, you know, allowed to have their own opinion.

The one thing, I have gotten, I have gotten, I have gotten some, like, angry DMs on these social media sites where people are like, I want more evidence, I want to see this, I want to see that. And I'm like, I do too. We all want more, but, you know, to me. Angry that you're not giving enough evidence or angry that you're just saying this and it's really something like demons or angels? There's a lot of people who just wish there was more evidence for them to see, but I think, you know, I think disclosure of this stuff is a process.

Well, I saw, I cut this out of the paper the other day just because I wanted to read it. It was just yesterday. The British military actively just tried to obtain extraterrestrial technology in the 90s. This just came out. They just released this after thousands of reported sightings over Belgium between, November 1989 and April 1990. Large, silent, low-flying black triangles demonstrating propulsion capabilities

far beyond any known flight technology. And the British thought they needed to find out what it is so they could reverse engineer it. So we got to have this. Yeah, I saw that too. There's a lot of activity, historical activity in the UK. There's a one of the interviews I'd did that I had to just cut for time in the film interviewed a former base commander of

Rendlesham of a base that was in Rendlesham Forest in UK. Oh yeah they mentioned that yeah and and it's in Suffolk England yeah so it was a joint at the time it was a joint base between between UK and US and they're on Christmas Eve camera which year was in the 80s there was a big UAP event I was just outside the base and UAP is the old UFO, huh? Yeah. It really changed things a lot when they made that change, huh? Yeah, I think it helps.

I mean, I really do. Really? Yeah. So one of the guys I interviewed. Unidentified flying object, unidentified aerial phenomenon? Unidentified, it stands for unidentified anomalous phenomena. Oh, for fuck sake. It's a UFO, and we got used to a UFO, and it's the same thing, and you're just confusing people.

It's not helpful. It's unhelpful. There's two valid reasons. So one of the guys I interviewed, Jay Stratton, very senior intelligence official, he found that when he would bring up UFOs in certain rooms, it led to this giggle factor. And there's a stigma around that word. So UAP allows it to be looked at differently.

Also, a lot of the activities happening in our oceans, and these things aren't flying. Like, UFO stands for flying. All right, all right, fine. So there you go. Take it. To me, it seems like a mind. you're probably right about that. Okay, so we'll get used to the new one.

But probably so inconsequential compared to what, to me, seems like the issue. And, you know, you were on real time recently. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, the movie, your movie, Age of Disclosure about this is groundbreaking. And, you know, I'm on your page, basically. I mean, look, do we know anything? No. I just feel like it gets harder and harder as the evidence accumulates.

And, you know, what your movie did so well was it arrayed this lineup of very credible people, including the Secretary of State, senators, you know, military people. Not the, you know, when I was starting doing comedy, it was all these jokes about, a little green man came down and they ate my wife and she liked that. You know, just that was all that, probing my asshole. And now it's not that. It's not the farmer in the middle of nowhere. It's very credible people.

That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to make the most credible doc ever made on the topic. Yeah. It's something that wasn't sensational. I always wish this film existed. Over the years, I've been fascinated this topic. I've watched every doc on it. I've watched every movie or series about it.

And I always wish someone would go, take the time to make a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of this as a result of working for the U.S. government and to just have them share what they lawfully can, don't sensationalize it, don't just throw some random guy in there because it's cool casting, just set to par, like, real credible people

who actually have direct knowledge of this. Well, I mean, part of the reason why this documentary couldn't have been done 10 years ago is because there weren't nearly as many credible people. The things we've seen in the last decade, and the testimony from people like in the Navy who've seen these phenomenon. I don't remember that happening before 10 years ago.

It looks to me like the aliens kind of want us to know that they're here. It doesn't look like they're hiding it much anymore. They may be saying, Jesus Christ, these people are taking a long time to come around to what is fairly obvious. you know, and as I said to you on real time, I'm not that upset about it because obviously they have the capability to do great harm and they're not. They seem to be just monitoring.

That could change. Yeah. No, yeah, as the film, as people in the film talk about, circumstances change. We've evolved technologically. Not with these lighters. I'm either the unluckiest person in the world who every time I try to get a simple zip-o lighter I'm not trying to embarrass the zippo company

but maybe there's like a really good version of this I don't know I do what I'm supposed to do I put the thing in and that's what and it works once at home and then I do it here and it doesn't work and yet the alien if the aliens come I would like to make this their first mission to get this fucking lighter working. They're so cool looking, and I like them.

They just don't work for me. Hilarious. Maybe it's me. But I'm sorry, what will you say? No, the, you know, a lot of people talk about how if more intelligent life is here and they haven't destroyed us, you know, there hasn't been a war of the world's type moment that that means that they're completely benign and there's nothing to worry about.

And, you know, that's a nice positive thought for sure. and that'd be amazing if that's true, but I think a lot of the intelligence officials in my film went out of their way to say it's good to prepare for all scenarios and the reality of it is, we've evolved technologically at a really rapid pace over the last 80 years,

but our morals haven't, right? We're still in being sovereign nations, we're still threatening nuclear war. We're a violent species. They may be in the process of deciding. But the point a lot of the people might film make is that we're kind of like barreling towards a crossroads where we're reaching the point of either already doing

what being able to do what they do or soon being able to do what they do. And at that point, they would have to contend with us and we're a violent species. And so it kind of puts a lot in perspective. And I think one of the takeaways a lot of people told me they had from the film is, man, humanity is really got to get their shit together and kind of come together on this because we're all in this situation together. And that's a tough task.

That's not going to have. Probably not going to happen. They're totally not going to happen. So then it's like, okay, well, then we guys got to be prepared for all scenarios. The good news is, as again, I think I mentioned this to you, it reminds me of, you know, the movies where the bad guy or somebody likes a lot, so says, come on, if I wanted you to be dead, you'd be dead already. That's, I feel like, where we are with the aliens right now. Possibly. That doesn't mean tomorrow it won't change.

And I do think one compelling piece of evidence about the whole shebang is that they did seem to appear right after the nuclear age began. It seems like that trigger. Proactively, yeah, yeah, more actively. You first see it in, of course, the bomb is 1945. 1947 really is when we first, Roswell and stuff like that. To me, that's quite a coincidence

or it's like, oh, they're watching us. It seems like that's when they started paying attention. Let's pay attention. They've reached a nuclear threshold. Remember when we were a nuclear? A little green fellow people here on the planet, we were crazy and we did crazy things and we had these bombs and it was polluting

and it was just terrible. But let's keep an eye on them. Yeah, I mean, look, the people my film all feel, everyone I discussed a specific point with it felt strongly that once you crack the atom it puts you on this trajectory towards doing what they do and it's only a matter of time at that point

and so that's when they started monitoring us. The thing that the people I interviewed are more concerned about than possible intentions of non-human intelligence of non-human intelligence life is what would happen if an adversary cracked this technology before we did and used it for bad because this technology has the potential to revolutionize the way we live and change things for the better.

It could be the solution of the energy crisis. It could lead to interstellar travel. A lot of technological breakthroughs could come off the back of it that could be great for us. But it could also be used as the most terrifying weapon of mass destruction. You could instantaneously deliver a nuclear weapon to the other side of planet. Yeah, I mean, maybe the tipping point is fusion. I mean, we've learned how to split the atom. That's nuclear.

But that's not really where the gold is. The gold is in fusion, which they're getting closer. Fusion is the opposite. We're putting them together at temperatures that are hotter than the sun. So the challenge is not just doing that. They seem to be able to do that. But then how do you channel that? Like, whatever is holding this energy,

how do you not melt that thing? You know, so plainly the aliens have this. Yeah. I mean, they have something that we don't have. An energy source that we haven't realized. Yes, that allows them, I mean, all the witnesses pretty much say some variation of, you know, the thing can hover for three hours and then just move at speeds we've never seen before. Yeah. Or go, as you say, in the ocean without losing any speed.

You know, there seems to be no element of friction there. they seem to be moving in a way that... Just defies physics as we know it. As we know it. That's the simplest way to say it. So I can't help but think that is tied to fusion and maybe something beyond fusion. But that's our next moment in human history is fusion.

And we're knocking on the doorstep, but we're still a very long way away. There's also a lot of forces working against technology like that coming to the forefront. You know, I mean, look how we see it in the news this week, how significant oil is to the world, right? Oh, yeah. You know, the introduction of a new energy source

would basically overnight destroy an entire marketplace that has driven the world for years. I'll say this for the Trump's move into Venezuela. I mean, I don't totally hate it. Some of it I do hate. But to the aliens who are worried that we are getting too advanced, I'm sure that was very reassuring. Not this guy.

This guy's still thinking about oil and still thinking about, you know, stuff like whatever he's thinking about. It's not, it's not. What do you think Donald Trump knows about it? So I think he's become very aware of the situation in the last few months. and I think he behind the scenes is pursuing the truth about the things he is in the dark on. I hope that he steps up this year

and tells the world definitively that we're not alone in the universe because he knows those base facts and he could share that with the world. I think it would be the greatest moment a leader could possibly have. I mean, there's no bigger moment in the history of humanity. I don't think any of us have ever known him

to ever not share. Like when he I saw yesterday He put out these He didn't do it yesterday But they were talking about it yesterday on CNN These text messages That the head of NATO

Who used to be the I think the president of Denmark had sent him And they were very complimentary You know I mean it's not a big secret That a great way to ingratiate yourself With our president is to be complimentary And they were meant to be private But of course, Trump puts them on truth social because, you know, here's a guy, an important

guy saying nice things about me. I'm just going to put it out there. I mean, Kanye does the same thing. You know, don't expect... I didn't see this. A lot of the younger generation, don't expect anything to ever be private. They just don't have that same feeling. So just don't put it out there.

But, again, I don't remember President Trump ever really holding anything back. So I feel like if he... actively gathering information right now. That could be true. That absolutely could be true. I mean, he could be waiting for the right moment. This week's not the right one. A week before the next election.

The aliens are here. And if I'm not here to stop it, you know, I can see that. Look, I think it literally in all seriousness, it would be the biggest moment a leader could ever have in human history. It's bigger than any huge presidential speech. Like, think about those great moments leaders have had in our history. like from Gettysburg Address to Kennedy Space Race speech. Marl Luther King's, I have a dream speech.

Whatever you put on the list, this would be bigger than that. And it's also arguably the most bipartisan moment you could possibly have. This issue is the most bipartisan issue in politics right now. The leaders for both parties are aligned on wanting more disclosure and more aligned on that than anything else. Yeah, when I think about the famous New York Times headline when we walked on the moon. I don't think they've ever had a bigger type face than not. Men walk on moon, you know, giant letters. Picture we are not alone. You know, what, how big type do you need for this headline?

That's a full page. If it was definitive proof, you know, like little green man arrives, says, take us to your leader. I mean, they don't have type. I mean, I think it's just simply, we are, we are not alone. And a U.S. President step into the microphone and making that clear for the entire human population, it just would have so many huge consequences. And it's your belief, I think, and many others, that the reason this really hasn't happened is because it would scare people. No, no. No? I think there's a lot of reasons. Like, we go into a lot of reasons in the film.

But those reasons have sort of changed over time. I think originally it was simply, if you put your story. yourself in the shoes of military and intelligence officials in the 40s and you realize this is real, you've got to find out a lot of answers to your own questions before you make it known, right? And then I think they found out that this was happening in adversarial nations too. And then it became like a Cold War dynamic of we got to keep this secret because we don't want our enemies to know what we know and don't know. And one of the ways they kept it secret is they created the stigma around this topic. That's revealed in my film.

One of the senior CIA officials in my film says that El. of the intelligence community, including the CIA, created the stigma around this early on, late 40s, early 50s, to get people thinking it's crazy if you look into this. It's a kind of a genius way to get people to avoid asking questions, right, and looking into it. And then that gets into the culture

and it gets compounded over the years. Then the stigma gets created. Then the stigma became a reason for people not to want to speak up about it, because no one wanted their reputation ruined. But would there not be panic? I think there, I think at one point people early on, I think in the 40s and 50s, there was a general feeling among military

and telling people that knew about this, that we need to learn a lot more about this before we tell the world there's a situation that we don't know anything about and we can't protect you from and cause panic, right? But I think it's naive to think that in 2026 people are going to be jumping out of buildings if they find out of that we're not alone in the universe. Coming out of buildings, but I can't imagine a lot of rednecks wouldn't be like, we've got to kill these motherfuckers now while we got them in our sides, while we got the muscle, we got the armaments, we got everything we need, we got to kill these people. I can't believe there wouldn't be that faction in America. There'll be a lot of, there'll be a lot of mixed responses, but ultimately, the reality of it is, one of the big learning from making this film is that

we are in a race with adversarial nations, most notably China, to crack this technology. And we have a better chance of winning that rate... What technology? UAP technology. The technology at play. So the film reveals that... You mean reverse engineering their craft?

Yeah. So the film reveals that... Do we have their craft? Yeah, so a number of the intelligence officials in the film reveal that there's a deeply hidden crash retrieval. program in the U.S. There's also one in Russia. Some of them have crashed.

Some of them have crashed. So they're not perfect. Yeah. Yeah. And we've retrieved some of that technology. They're aliens. They're not fucking gods. Right?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's just the fact. Yeah. I mean, they're dealing with technology. Because I've heard people say, well, if they're so advanced, how come they keep crashing their vehicles? Well, I don't think they keep crashing their vehicles.

I think, you know. All technology has some kind of, like, either flaw or vulnerability, right? And so one of the things that people might film talk about is in the early days of our atomic weapons program, we realized an unintended consequence of testing was it could cause some of these UAP that we didn't know were there to crash.

So there's been all these learnings over time of what could cause these things. I'm sure there's some, one reason why they have been monitoring us for so long is because they don't know about this planet. And they're finding out, they're gathering information. I mean, if, I don't know if you... Or they've been here long before us. Or they have been here long before us. You know what?

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I mean, like in War of the Worlds, which is what I go by, that's my Bible. No, I'm kidding. Because when is Scientology ever led us astray scientifically? But, you know, that is sort of based, that is the Scientology. I mean, I can see why Tom Cruise was attracted to do that movie, other than the fact that it's an awesome movie and Spielberg directed it. But it is about the, because I think in Scientology, they believe, that stuff was buried underground and then came up,

and that's what happens in More of the Worlds. But as you remember in More of the Worlds, there's no real ending to it. The aliens are totally kicking our ass and then they just die. And Morgan Freeman does the voiceover and everyone is a... That's also what happens at the end of Crystal Skull,

Indiana Jones Crystal Skull. They find the UFO that was buried on the pyramid. Rises up at the end of the movie. And dies? No, it just rises. It comes... Okay. Because it war of the world,

they just die because they got a virus. Yeah. So it's really COVID. If they had just worn them, masks. I'm always saying to everybody, let's go back to wearing masks. I'm kidding, of course. But going back to the thing that concerned everyone I interviewed was that if we as a nation don't take this more seriously and make it a real national priority, then we could wake up one day and find out that China beat us in this race and the consequences could be huge.

So what does that mean? China would be allied with the alien? So a number of the officials in the film reveal that our country and Russia and China all have these hidden programs that are retrieving crashed UAP and trying to reverse engineer them. And it's a technology race. They refer to it as the Manhattan Project on steroids. And so the idea is, you know, here we have this stigma that originally was created to keep people from looking into this. And now it's kind of backfiring and that we're in a technology race now. And the majority of scientists in our country don't even know this is real.

They don't know it's a valid area of inquiry. Well, you get to something that I found so fascinating in the movie, which is the idea that a lot of what we know about all of this phenomenon is compartmentalized. Yeah.

Like the CIA knows this and the energy department knows this and the defense department knows this and they don't necessarily share the information. And we got to, I mean, to me, this is a little like the Epstein files, except not underage girls, little green men. Like, we want the files out.

We want you to collate all the files, because we saw with the Epstein thing, it was a shit show. It came out drip by drabs. Some of it was real. Then suddenly we got a million more. And, you know, I feel like that's what's going on with this, except, again, not underage girls, little green men. and if we could just get all these agencies to share, because you are all on the same team guys,

we're all in the American government, share, and then, because that has to happen, I think, before they release it to the people. Yeah, but honestly, the better analogy is the 9-11 situation. The intelligence community wasn't sharing information in the most effective way, and there was intelligence gaps, and then this horrible intelligence failure,

happened and and and and we all dealt with the consequences and then what happened after that everyone said oh this has to be course corrected so we formed the director of national intelligence position as an answer to that right and their sole job is to coordinate the intelligence community so information is actually shared right all we did was create a giant new ridiculously large, unobservable in many ways, bureaucracy. But the point is that history shows

bad things happen when our intelligence community doesn't share information. I know, but with this situation. I remember my joke at the time that we created the Department of Homeland Security was, gosh, if we only had some sort of central intelligence agency, you see my point? We already had it.

But their job, the CIA's job was never to to coordinate all of the various intelligence community elements. It was never their stated purpose. Whereas the Director of National Intelligence, that's their purpose. Yeah, and you know what? I gotta give them credit. I mean, something worked.

Now, maybe it was just that the jihadists decided to take a break. I mean, they have been at it for over a thousand years. So, like, they played the long game. Maybe it was like, okay, we visited. it a painful chastisement on the infidel, let's take a couple of decades off. That could be, I don't think that's it. No, I think they got, I think they got, yeah, I think they're working. Yes. And so if we put resources towards the UAP issue, and we make the base facts known, right? A lot of great change will come out of that, and the U.S. will lead in that technology

race. Well, I find it very interesting that your movie is called The Age of Disclosure, and Spielberg has a movie coming out called, Closure Day. What is the key word here that we seem to be tracking? It would be disclosure. I mean, it seems like this is the issue now that we've, for a lot of people, we move past the question, is it happening? It's a little like climate change. There was a time when it was like, is it happening?

Is it mad made? And then, you know, of course, there are stragglers who don't believe it is, but they're not credible people. You know, it's interesting. What was it turning point in that? Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, a documentary, right? How often it takes? Yeah, I mean, certainly that came out, you know, I think 2002 or something.

I feel like by the 90s, people were on the page of, it's happening and it is manmade. What to do about it? That's a debate we absolutely can and shouldn't be having. But there are still stragglers, you know, who don't believe in that, as they will always be with this. They will always be stragglers. But basically, you pass these tipping points where it's like evolution. you know, when 1859, Darwin put that out. It wasn't like in 1860, everybody was like,

oh, evolution, we all believe in that. It took a while before it's tested, people challenge it, and then it's like, okay, this is the reality, let's go on to the next question. I feel like we should be on to the question of, again, I don't think it's coincidence that this word comes up in both these films, disclosure. And I feel like when they look back,

now the Spielberg movie comes out in June, I feel like you know, you're going to be the John the Baptist to this Jesus Christ of a movie because it is Spielberg. It's something zillions of people are going to see. It's about the same subject. But it's for the masses. Not that your movie didn't do great. But it's like this is now.

Number one best selling documentary ever on Prime Video. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People are interested and people get it. And I feel like from the history major's point of view, the analogy is this. the Roman Empire was

persecuting Christians, you know, feeding them to the lions, that old shit in the third century. 30 years later, they were Christians. You know, they went from feeding them to the lions to, okay, now we are that. One emperor declared it, and then we all just fell in line.

Maybe it took a few years, I'm sure. but I feel like that's where we are with this. Like it was a eye roll for a long time. Oh, aliens, UFOs. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. And maybe that's still going to be the case. We don't know. Nobody knows.

But I feel like it's passing that tipping point where if you're the person who really thinks we're alone in the universe, you're kind of on the side of... Not flat earthers and, yeah. Flat Earthers, right. You're exactly. You're kind of, or global warming isn't, you know, I mean, Republicans were still saying that it wasn't real and it wasn't man-made very recently. I mean, certainly in the last 20 years. They were trotting out silly.

It was one Newsweek story in the 70s about how the planet was cooling. Look, the planet's cooling, they used to say. And it's like, okay, you know what? You can always convince a certain number of people. Yeah. But I feel like this is where it's going to go. And I feel like the big thing is going to be the Spielberg movie. Everyone I interviewed was really clear with me that it's not a question as to whether this is real. That's, we're way past that. Every single person I interviewed made that very clear. Their educated opinion was we are way, way past that. Now the question is, where are they from? What's their intention? Right. And can we as a nation crack this technology before an adversary does? And they all took that extremely seriously. And they thought, everyone I interviewed.

you thought that getting rid of the stigma in our country is a huge, huge hurdle to winning that technology race. We have to get rid of the stigma so that academia and the scientific community can take this seriously and know it's a valid area of inquiry and help us win this technology race. And they all thought that this documentary is going to play a major role in opening the public's eyes. And I heard that over and over from everybody from Rubio on down. And they were all very, very serious about it. I do. things power movies though as you're talking about Stephen's movie you know movies you have a unique power to open people's eyes to thoughts I absolutely do I'm into this

topic because my childhood was the 80s and early 90s and my favorite movies in those little kid was close encounters I grew up on close encounters ET X-Files was on television when I was in school and close encounters made a huge impact on me it made me curious about these big questions made me curious about this topic you know it presented it in a very grounded way. It's a very ahead of its time movie. Well, I have always been a proponent of the idea that everything the movies depict then comes to life,

which is why the fact that there are so many movies about post-apocalyptic world, you know, after the war, after the war came, and now it's a hellscape, it's a barren, and it's just, you know, Danzel and somebody else walking across a desert. You know, it's just terrible. Because I feel like I've just seen it too many times. Well, whatever they're predicting is going to come true.

And I mean, I remember seeing Minority Report, a great Spielberg movie, and they had screens. They were just touching and moving things on the screen, which we all do a billion times a day now. But then it was like, wow, or even flip phones in Star Trek. Yeah. You know, I mean, lots of stuff. Now he's always forward thinking and covering things that will come to be. Another great, great film from years ago that was ahead of its time was Abyss, with all the activity.

That's James Cameron in the ocean. I mean, he loves the ocean. It was not a good movie. Oh, I liked it. I liked it a lot. As movie making, I don't, I mean, I don't remember it that well. I remember being bored to tears in the theater. And I'm a big Cameron fan.

I love Titanic. You watch it. It's a good one. Really? And yeah, and close encounters, I watch every few months. Is that about space people in the ocean? The abyss is about, you know, not human intelligent life under the ocean. Oh.

Yeah. And what's the, spoiler alert? What's the end? Just, just, the takeaway is that there is other life here and it's in the ocean. And a number of the people in my film go on the record about the UAP activity in our oceans, even from senior members of Congress to intelligence officials, they talk about technology that's not from here, that's otherworldly that has been seen coming in out of the ocean

and into the ocean. And then in conversations I've had outside of the film, people have told me about activity that's been tracked by our submarines that's just absolutely bonkers, like massive crafts moving at crazy speeds, under the water, going past our submarines. So there's a there, there's a real situation. Yeah, if you were an alien and you wanted to hide here on the earth itself.

You do it on the ocean, yeah. You do it under, because the ocean is very unexplored. It's like, say, yeah, in my film, Admiral Tim Galette says that we have studied the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottoms of our oceans. And our oceans are like 75%. 75% of our planet's ocean, right? Well, that's if you believe we went to the moon. Yeah. Okay. But I do think, I really do think that going back to the power of movies, you know, I wouldn't

have made this movie or been interested in this topic had I not, you know, watched close encounters countless times and had my curiosity peaked. And I think that, you know, my hope is there's people out there who start looking into this topic because they watch this documentary or because they watch Stevens movie in June and they start thinking about it differently, taking it seriously. So let's go through the movies. and what they depicted and see if that's how it's really going to happen. Close encounters, we want to communicate with the aliens,

and we do it through, as I recall, a synthesizer? You know, he's playing this tune, and then they play the tune back. Yeah. Okay. So maybe it's that. Then there was a movie called, I think, called Arrival. Yeah, it's a great movie, too. That is.

A great movie? Yeah, I think it's great. I don't remember loving that one either. That's really good. I feel like you're... I feel like your interest in this topic is so... See, I'm just looking as a, you know... Now that you've watched this doc, you've got to do a binge.

Yeah. Okay, but in that one, I remember there was just a lot of the aliens writing in this big curlicue language on a screen. And it was like, it didn't look like anything we've ever seen, but it was some sort of writing. Some sort of contact events, some sort of communication, yeah. So how do you think it'll happen? How will we, I mean, shouldn't they know with all their advanced knowledge? Can't they just have an English-to-alien thing in their phone? I mean, you know, some of the people in my film talk about how there have been contact events.

Some of the intelligence officials in my film talk about learning of an event that happened where UAP landed on a military base and non-human beings interacted with CIA and Air Force officials. When you say interact, do you mean dating? No, but what do you mean by interacting? They said they interacted, they communicated somehow. That's what, you know, couple of the intel officials talk. If they're testifying about this, what's the somehow? That was all it was said.

And the intelligence official in the film talks about a conversation he had with President Bush 1, senior, about this. and yeah it's a fascinating part of the film a haliman air force base is the name of it that Bush 2 his comment was I ain't telling yeah that's one of the I mean that says a lot

that was one of the cool I ain't telling but that was one of the coolest but Texas if they try to mess with Texas we're at the point of the spear what he talks about in that section of the film I think it's fascinating a bunch of the people I interviewed

revealed that during Bush 2's administration shortly after 9-11, he was contemplating going public with the base facts that he had learned that were not alone in the universe. And they held a multi-day, I think it was two or three-day think tank where they invited a couple dozen people

to come and evaluate what the pros and cons would be. And they basically ranked, they were tasked with debating and then applying a number to the impact. So on a scale of 1 to 10, like 10 being a bad impact, too much impact,

one being minimal impact, to every vertical of society, like religion, the economy, all these different areas they came up with. And a number of the people that were part of this think tank, they went into it, excited about it and hopeful that it would bring about disclosure. And then they all came out on the other side deciding it would be a bad idea that the time wasn't right for it. This was like right after 9-11.

One of the people in that think tank is in my film. Dr. Hal Pudoff is the senior scientist for my film. He worked on a lot of classified UAP programs. Well, that wasn't Bush 1. No, there was 2. Bush 2. Okay, right. Yeah.

One was the one who talked about the hell. I see. So this think tank was when Bush 2 was. Yeah, and then they decided not to do it and not to go public with it. Well, that was prudent to use the father's term. I mean, not after 9-11. You know, like, let's deal with the jihadists before we deal with the aliens. It's also come out recently that Cheney was very involved in covering this up.

No longer around, obviously. What are you saying, something nefarious? that the aliens killed him because he knew too much? No, no, I'm saying he maybe it'll lead to change that he's no longer around. Yeah, I don't think it was them. He had a heart that plugged into the wall, okay? No, I didn't mean like that.

This guy was not well when he died, but... No, I didn't mean like that. I mean, he was involved in the decision to not have his guilt public. My guess is he would have had Halliburton digging on the planet X-ray before they ever signed a deal, but not to speak, I live the dead. But, so... What do you think? happen. Now you've seen this documentary, you've see how the truth is starting to come out.

What do you think about? Well, again, I think the Spielberg movie is, I mean, it's Steven Spielberg. I think this will be sort of the ultimate moment in his amazing career. Because, as we were starting to say, movies do move people. People are a mass. They are the masses. They're called the masses for a reason. They're not called the bunch of intellectuals. They're the masses. I love them. I'm not putting them down, but I'm just saying masses need

to be moved by mass entertainment. And that has, you know, Hollywood, which I criticize a lot and they deserve it a lot, but Hollywood, show business in general, is responsible for societal change probably more

than any other part of society. I'm talking about... Couldn't agree with you more. You know, And he's the greatest filmmaker of all time. He is, absolutely. I always say about him, he's known as the greatest filmmaker, and he's still underrated. But if you go back to gentleman's agreement in 1947, which is about anti-Semitism, which is back in style, but back then they were against it, and they made movies like that. Racial issues, guess who's coming to dinner in 1967, gay issues, AIDS, disabilities,

nuclear energy, China syndrome. I mean, when Hollywood addresses an issue, it does change minds. And it's mostly been for the better. It's mostly been, you know, liberal people saying, you know what, let's move up on this. Now, you know, we've entered a woke era where I think we went a few subway stops past

where we should have gotten off on some things. But basically, Hollywood has been a force for good in opening people's eyes to a lot of social issues. that they need to have their eyes open to. And now, I think if we can step up and do our part, it will be this issue, it will be technology, which really is the social issue of the day. I know it is categorized differently as technology,

but I mean, when AI is poised to take, you know, God knows how many jobs from people, not to mention transform life in every other way, it's a social issue. It, of course, is a social issue. And, you know, this, look, I don't know what the aliens, I don't know what they think of AI, but I'm guessing that that's another trigger moment for them just the way the nuclear was. I mean, we got nuclear in 45.

We got AI, we got chat GPT on the phone in 2023 or 2022, something like that. Okay, that to me is another really watershed moment. Yeah. And to them, you know, I'm guessing it's like, okay, as you said at the beginning of the show, we're getting, maybe we're threatening them a little bit, getting closer to parity with what they know. I think we're still a long way away. But of course, if you are prudent as aliens, I think we all know are. But getting to a level where they'll have to contend with us. They would have to contend with us.

They would have to contend with us. And they, you know. The, you know, I do think that. that, and I hope, that the combination of my documentary, The A Disclosure, and Stevens Film Disclosure Day will reach the masses and impact the way the average person thinks about this topic. What do you think the aliens are thinking, as they're obviously watching this right now,

because they obviously have the technology. AI has the technology to monitor everything. So we have it. They certainly are having it. So somebody is monitoring this right now, somebody or some thing. What do you think they're thinking about what we're saying? And before I let you answer, may I just say, I have always felt that aliens were among the finest people in my district.

Mr. Chairman, I have to go to another meeting now, but I just want to say they are the salt of the earth. I'm doing the speech from Godfather, too. but really what do you think they're thinking like break guys they get it about us i mean obviously it's pure speculation but you know the the interesting thing about that question is my takeaway for making this film is that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life my takeaway is that there is a lot of intelligent life out there and that they like humans they probably all have different intentions and different points of view you just opened up a can of worms i'm going to have to

have another drink. So yeah, you're right. Like, we're talking about the like it's a singular force. It's not. It's like talking about the government as a singular thing when, you know, there's all these moving parts. And is there evidence of that? Like different air crab, different bodies? Yes. Yes. So, but the other of the intelligence officials

they must be aware of each other. One of the really brave things someone said in my film, Hal Pudoff, who's considered a gray beard in the intelligence community. It's worked on a lot of classified UAP programs. He says on camera that the recoveries have, including the crashed UAP that have been retrieved,

those crash sites have included the bodies of non-humans and that the bodies were not all the same type, implying different species. But could be different species who are working and living together. Sure, anything's possible. I mean, you're guessing as good as not. I mean, certainly that's what's going on on every starship I've ever seen on television.

I mean, from Star Trek to the Orville or, you know, any of those shows, there's always, you know, humans like Captain Kirk, working with Vulcans like Mr. Spock, and then there's the robot guy, and then there's the guy with the looks human, but she's really a hot chick, and they just make her eyebrows look weird,

and she's got pointy something, but she's still a hot chick. And, you know, just there's everything. So that could be the case, or it could be, because certainly they're working in concert. Certainly they are not beefing. we would know that well we don't i don't i don't come on i don't think we would know we would if they were beefing right above us non-human intelligent life that we're not fully aware of has

conflict i i i think it's naive to think we would understand that really yeah you but you they wouldn't be trying to in some way defeat each other i mean i i i think all all possibilities are on the table yeah i really do i think it i think that what is really happening is probably scenarios that we can't even imagine. Yeah, that's right. I agree. You know, like we're looking at this all through our lenses. Right. And what we understand.

Do you think we'll catch up to that in your lifetime? No. No. I think the base facts, I think my film brings out the base facts. I mean, to be honest, I think this film is disclosure. This is 34 really high level military government intelligence officials. breaking their silence on what they can lawfully disclose, telling you what they have become aware of,

putting their reputation on the line to tell you the facts and let you know this is real, here's the circumstances, here's how we got here, here's the lay of the land, just putting it all on the table. I think, you know, for optics, that can be upped by a president, step into the microphone and definitively saying it,

but we already just got told the truth, you know? Like, Rubio's one of the, you know, Rubio's on camera in my film, more than 33 other people, right? 32 other people. And now he's our Secretary of State and now security advisor. He's not a lunatic who said crazy things and then got pushed aside. He said very important, serious things. And then he got put in the second most powerful position on the planet. Well, to be fair, there are lunatics in our government. He is not one of them. No, he's definitely not one of them. He is one of the more adults.

He's a very thoughtful and serious person. No, I'm very glad he's there. Yeah. Because I don't know if you saw him standing behind Trump the other day when Trump was saying, we're taking over Venezuela, and he's got, oh, Jesus. And then, of course, he comes back the next day. It reminds me a little like Bush and Tony Blair. Bush would say something stupid, and then Tony Blair would translate it into English, and we'd all be reassured. And then Rubio comes out the next day.

He says, we're not taking over Venezuela, okay? We're affecting the policy and, you know, and that's, okay, I'm glad there's adults, and I'm glad on this issue that he is, is one of them because, you know, it is going to take balls. It's one of the reasons why I do think that we might see, you know, the current president, you know, not this week, not next week, but sometime in the near future, step to the microphone and make that statement because he's got Rubio behind him. And Rubio is so aware of the truth and he's become even more aware of the truth now that he's

the national security advisor. I'm absolutely sure Trump will do the right thing with this as long as it involves making money from crypto. Okay. As long as the disclosure will also involve a tremendous payoff to the family, because he does remind me of a very corrupt sheriff who also does clean up the town. So places where it needed to. Sometimes he does clean up the town.

The payoff will be huge. I mean, I think that is a move that would be, you know, the response would be incredible. it would get so much support around the world for someone to find a leader of the free world to step to the microphone and tell all of humanity the truth at once about the biggest cover-up in the history of the world. I mean, it'd be a pretty amazing moment,

so I do hope it happens. Yeah, I mean, that's a very optimistic view that people would take it with, you know, such a plumb. Maybe they will. Again, I feel like a lot of the reason why they haven't disclosed stuff is because they do fear panic. The government does that a lot. Look at how they overreacted to COVID and lied about certain. Now, I'm not, please don't start with the anti-vaxxer. I'm glad we got the vaccine and it saved millions of people's lives. I didn't

want it. Okay, said my thing. But the government did suppress a lot because they were just afraid that people, if they heard the wrong information, which wasn't always wrong, they would do the wrong thing. They don't really trust the people. So whether they will trust them with an issue like this, I do think that's a bigger part of it than you seem to want to admit. No, no, I think it's a huge, I think it's a huge hurdle. Oh, you do? Yeah. So look, like I said earlier, this, this technology, one of the takeaways from making this film became very clear to me that this technology that UAP have, the technology that make you AP work, that technology can be used to revolutionize the way we live

or it can destroy everything. You can literally, I mean, just to say it clearly, it can be used to instantaneously deliver a nuclear weapon to the other side of the planet. That is the most terrifying thing of all time, right? And so if you make that technology public and this new energy source public, people could weaponize it.

So yes, they're 100%. Everyone I interviewed talked about how that is the humanitarian, issue that we face, and it's held back sharing this for a very long time. And the only way forward to make it public and get those benefits would be to open up some of it, the base facts about it, and treat it like we treat nuclear technology, right? Like, that became a humanitarian issue. Nuclear technology is known. We know we use it for good, and we also know that nuclear weapons exist. The average person is not told about, like, the capabilities of nuclear weapons,

the vulnerabilities, how many we have, how many are being made, where they're stored. No, we know that. No, we don't. There's tons of information on nuclear weapons that are classified. Okay, we know how many we have. It's in treaties. I could tell you how many we have. I don't think that information is all out there, to be honest.

But you have no, but you're just saying that. You don't have any reason to say that. Well, this analogy has been made to me, has been made to me by a number of intelligence officials and government officials, how that is the only actual reference point for how to handle this and make it humanitarian issue. You know, use the technology openly for good and yes, for some weapons. When it comes to like knowing how many nuclear weapons we have, we do know and we do know what they can do.

I mean, we've been trying to reduce the number for decades and decades. Some people have made some progress. We used to actually have more. We still have way too many. I mean, we have enough to, like, destroy the planet a zillion times over. So what's the point? But, you know, there was a time when we and the Soviet Union each had something like 30,000, 30,000 nuclear weapons. I mean, what would it take to just create a total nuclear winner, probably less than 100?

Yeah. So what was the point of 30,000? So they got it down. But it's still, I don't know what it is now, 10,000 or something. something, but it's a crazy number still. But we do know. Not everything is a giant secret. It doesn't matter. I mean, it doesn't matter. I mean, I think there's a lot regarding the weapons that is classified. Maybe I'm sure it is. The point, but the point they're making is... I don't want Joe Blow to know where they all are. Yeah, I mean, the point they're making is like,

to get the benefit of this technology, you'd have to make a lot of this public. But there's a downside of that because bad actors could use that information to create weapons of mass destruction. And so that's this humanitarian issue that exists right now, that is a real hurdle. But we have had the ability to destroy the world since 1945. I mean, that's really the big changeover point in history. Not this with the aliens. This will be bigger in different ways. But yeah, could they wipe us out?

Yes. But we've had the ability, as we never had before 1945, to wipe out ourselves. Before that, it was always, well, you know, that's a thing God will do or he won't do. You know, God will come, Jesus is going to come down, and, you know, they're going to kill everybody except the 144,000 Jews. They get grandfathered into heaven and whatever that bullshit is. But now, we really do. I mean, mankind has, what is he saying, what is Oppenheimer say? We have become the destroyer of worlds.

Yeah. The destroyer of worlds. I mean, that's a sea change. I think that's what alarmed the aliens, because maybe they, I don't know what other planets are like or where they're from or whether they're eyeing this as some sort of great place or some, I mean, it is. There's a lot of what ifs.

I mean, like here's a what if, what if this trajectory were on technologically was a trajectory that another species or another form of humanity was on somewhere else, and it led to destruction. You know, and they're watching us to see if history's going to repeat itself. Are we on the same trajectory that other people have been on in the past?

Who knows? But I'm just saying, I mean, people have always talked about Earth, like it's the Goldilocks planet. And when you look at other planets, they are awful, desolate. I mean, I've done two very funny, I must say, editorials about how silly it is for us and Elon Musk in particular to be so all head up on getting to Mars. Mars? Like, how bad would we have to rat fuck this planet where it was worse than a place that's 270 degrees below zero, has no air, has six-month giant dust storms? You have to live underground because of the radiation. I mean, how bad would it have to get? Every planet looks like a horrible shithole. So, like, if I was an alien, I'd be like, whoa, this place has Cabo. You know, this place has... This place has... beaches and it's balmy and it's nice. Now, maybe that doesn't affect them, but maybe it does. That, I think, would be the fact that we're so attractive, I mean, makes them want to rape us. Stumped you on that one, Doc. Yeah, I mean, I personally think Musk knows a lot more about

this situation. Elon. I think he knows a lot more about the situation than do tell. than he has talked about. How does he know? It's impossible to have the level of clearances he has and to operate in space and not be aware of these facts. I mean, there are numerous NASA astronauts, highly respected NASA astronauts who have come back

and talked about UAP activity. They saw while in space. Right. There is a number of, there's a lot of activity that's been documented in space. A number of the intelligence officials I interviewed, talk to me about it. I had a section that was going to be about this in the film,

but I just cut it for time because I had to get this thing under two hours. But if I put everything in there, I wanted, it would be a four-hour movie. Well, the whole thing was a director's cut because of an independent film, there is no studio. No, but I mean,

directors cut, meaning make a longer version? Just like we're doing, this is a longer version of what we started on. I might make a sequel. I might make a sequel. There's been, I've seen a lot of exciting. Maybe the aliens could partner with it, just provide some of the finance.

Nice. Financing. That'd be nice. They must be flush. I've thought about it. I've thought about a sequel. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

Yeah, let's see what happens. Yeah, I want to see what happens inside of government. See what happens after the Spielberg movie. The Spielberg movie is going to be very good for you and for this idea of getting, I mean, just a lot more people are going to be asking the question that you are prompting them to ask, that needs to be, you know, fairly settled, as we say. in the way that evolution was at some point settled. Climate change at some point was settled.

Let's move on to the next realistic question. Yeah. Which, as you say, is who are they? What do they want? And, you know, how do we communicate with them? And is the U.S. leading in this technology race? That's super important. And if they say, take us to your leader, who do we say is our real leader?

I mean, come on. We don't want to take them there because he'll show them the ballroom. It'll be all about the ballroom. I know you came a long way, but I just want to say it. I want to see it happen. I want to see him in Rubio,

step to the microphone and tell us the truth. That's really truly what I want to see happen. Well, he's got the balls to do it. I'll give him that. You know, in the movie, we put the Kennedy Space Race speech, key part of it, where he says that technology has no conscious of its own.

It's up to mankind. whether they use it for good or for bad. And that is why, to quote Kennedy, he said, that's why it's imperative to the U.S. help lead the way so they can be a part of the decision to use space technology for good. And he compares it to nuclear technology. He's like space technology,

like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own. And this is that situation on steroids. And so I do think it calls for a leader to step up and say that. Oh, it definitely does. This technology could be used for good, could be used for bad. The U.S. wants to help make sure it's used for good, and we're going to put our resources and our brain power towards it.

That would rally academia, the scientific community. I'm just saying, if they do say take us to your leader, and that is Donald Trump, I mean, he is the president of America, and that is the leader of the free world, if they're going to base their ideas about how we all are, I mean, he's got some points that aren't completely horrible, but, I mean, there's a lot there. There's a lot there that's going to make them go, what the fuck of? we've gotten us into here. I mean, I wouldn't want them to think we're that narcissistic. I wouldn't want them to think were that corrupt. You know, I mean, I feel like he really does want to clean up the town. He does want to be the hero sheriff who cleans up the town, and I'm not going to lie and say that there's things that don't need cleaning up. I mean, the borders were too open. You know, colleges are clean.

crazy out of control. I could go on. But I would hate the aliens to base their judgment on us based on how he has handled these issues. Even when he identifies, you know, I don't want to put tariffs on spacecraft. You know, I mean, just, it just wouldn't be a good look for humans. I mean, I don't know who the human is. I would like for them to see. I would imagine that we're viewed as a whole. That's my takeaway. I think that humanity is viewed as a whole. Like, we're all in this together. And if, and the reality of it is, you know, like, not a great look that Putin's invading sovereign nations, right? Not a good look that people are threatening.

Putin, another guy, I would not want them to base. I would rather them base us on Trump than Putin. Okay? I mean, there are worse guys. I mean, yeah. Yeah. But okay, so here. Do you think here's something. Like you just got to also think about all the technology, technological breakthroughs that could come out of us.

There's a scene, part of my Rubio interview that ended up getting cut out for time was he spent a few minutes talking, making the point that there were like 35,000, I think it was maybe 32,000, really significant inventions that came off the back of the space race, right? It was a single mission, get to the moon. but all these other inventions came off the back of that technology race that impact our life every day. And his point was, we don't know. Tang. I remember you meant, yeah, he said, but there's a lot. There's a lot of things.

And stuff that has helped make progress in the medical field. GPS. Didn't we get that from this? I think so. I think so. To be honest, I don't remember. But his point was, we don't know what's going to come off the back of taking this more seriously and putting the right brain power.

resources towards this and and you know it's foolish to to to rule out the fact that it might change our lives for the better you know we don't know it might so look I might is that that happens I mean to quote every invader ever resistance is futile resistance is futile I mean if they if they want to kick our ass I'm sure they can so I mean probably best to make friends with Keanu Reeves. And just get our shit together as a species, you know? Yeah, that's not going to happen because we're so divided. I once did a whole thing about this.

Like, when I was a kid and they said, well, mankind would unite if there was an attack from Mars. Well, that's that Reagan speech, remember? Reagan gave that speech in the UN. He says, I often think that nothing would unite all of humanity and make us see what we have in common. They would not. It would not happen. And as soon as the aliens landed, the Republicans and the Democrats would try to get them to be on their side against the other party. You should remind me of another funny, actually probably the only funny thing said in my documentary.

Rubio says, this is not a partisan issue in our country. And he slides in, at least not yet. And I think he's right that eventually, you know, disclosure will happen on a bigger level and then we'll find some sort of like partisan divide. Candice Owens, the day after they land, is not going to be saying, you know what, let's all get together, people. No, she's going to say some crazy shit, and there's going to be 5 million people who see it and follow that, and Tucker Carlson is going to be doing that same shit,

and there's going to be people on the left, not as crazy, but crazy also. We're going to do stuff like that. I just don't see that as our saving grace. Okay, so before I forget, I want to, because the one issue I want to get to, only because I know someone who had an experience, you mentioned contact before.

I know someone who actually feels like they saw something on the ground, you know, men in black kind of stuff, which we haven't talked about yet. They thought they were abducted or they just saw something? No, no, no, not abducted. Just went out to the woodshed late at night and opened the door and there was, Obviously something there that was not a bobcat.

Wow. Where? I can't say. I can't say anything more. Sworn to secrecy. This person is very, it spooked him. And he's not an easily spooked person. But yes, I'm guessing he's not the only one who has such an experience. I've heard from a lot of people, ever since I, before the movie came out,

when I put the trailer online in January of last year, I started, people started reaching out to me. Very credible people. Some Hollywood folks, like filmmakers who have, a filmmaker who won best picture, reached out to me to share the story. Well, I don't know if Hollywood and credible or the two words you want to put together.

This particular person was very credible. No, there are some people. There's a senator who's never spoken up publicly about this topic ever. He reached out to talk about something him and his son witnessed on a fishing trip. he was like, I'm really glad you're getting this movie out there. People need to learn.

There's more out there than us. And that was a wild conversation. What happened on the fishing trip? They were on a fishing trip out in open water, and they saw a giant craft right above their heads. That's all he told me. But super serious guy. I never spoke to him prior.

That you hear a lot. I'm talking about... I mean, that's pretty extraordinary. It's very extraordinary, but it's still a little bit removed from actually being here in some sort of form on earth. That you hear a lot. That I really don't doubt anymore.

There's just too many sightings of that where they're observing from close quarters, but not here. So this friend of your saw a being. A being. Yes. Yeah. I mean, one of the intelligence officials in the film goes, remember the guy, Dr. Stratton, who I talked about earlier,

he goes on record in the film saying that he has seen a non-human being with his own eyes. Well, if we have the corpses, right? Is that in dispute anymore? I don't think so. You don't think so? No. We have alien corpses. Numerous, very senior intelligence officials have gone on the record saying that.

And people have said, I mean, I know people in the movie that you made say, if you saw what I saw with my own eyes. Right? Yeah. I'm assuming that's what they're talking about. They've seen an actual body. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's one thing... People have testified under oath to Congress saying this.

David Grush, one of the intelligence officials who testified. Yeah. He talked about non-human bodies that have been recovered. I mean, it makes a difference when... Now, this is not firsthand because I haven't seen it. But it makes a difference to me when somebody very close to a situation... says they saw something. Like, to give an analogy, that's ridiculous.

But I remember having a discussion a long time ago, some bunch of people sitting around, and somebody said Tom Cruise was gay, which was a rumor that was going around for a while because they said about everybody who's successful. And somebody who is another movie star who said, I saw Tom Cruise with my own eyes, fuck a girl. and this is a long time ago

when they were very young but it was like it always stuck him why he was looking it always stuck with me you know what are you watching well you know what when you're 22 and you're on a movie said it could happen I'm not saying he watched

him do it I'm saying he saw with his own eyes Tom Cruise okay so like that to me always said like okay you know what however many times you want to convince me that so and so is gay or so and so is gay you know, at the end of the day,

you're just fucking pulling shit out of your ass. Anyway, as far as this goes, like, if somebody credible says something like this, it just adds a lot of weight for me. Yeah. And so... To me, that's the greatest evidence, because I've said this on a bunch of interviews

I've done about the movie. I fullheartedly believe you could put a 4K video taken from a military base of a UFO over a nuclear weapon set. and half the human population will say it's fake, it's made by AI, some Hollywood producer did it, that's where we're at as a society.

No, I get it. But people putting their reputation on the line, I mean, a number of the people in my film intend to run for president one day. You know, a number of the people in my film are still actively working in the intelligence community. These are people who have a lot to lose by destroying their reputation with bullshit.

But I want to go deeper a little into this thing about the men and black aspect of it, because that doesn't, seems to be the one part you don't really get into too much. Like, um, I mean, we talk about the, we talk about the legacy program that a number of people my film reveal that the program that has been keeping this all away from the public, it's referred to as the legacy program. In the film, they break down, which elements of government are in it, the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors make up this, this program called the legacy program.

I personally think that when people have historically referred to, quote, unquote, men in black, they're referring to people who have been affiliated with the legacy program. That's what I think. But I'm asking about the idea that there are beings say they are able to take human form. I personally don't think they're there doing that right now. I think that's a movie. Yeah, I've never heard that. Okay.

But that would be the next step for them to do. I mean, if they wanted to really get up close and personal. I mean, certainly that's Men in Black. That's also the movie, you know, what's the, they redid it with Nicole Kidman, you know. What's that, body snatchers? No, it's the, body snatchers, yes, exactly. Body snatchers.

I think that's science fiction, quite frankly. Yeah, I think so. And it sort of hurts the cause when people go to these places. Yeah. Maybe we're not yet. Yeah. But the idea that they would want to have some sort of presence actually on the ground, it's not crazy to me because wouldn't you want to,

do you think you could really get every bit of information you need from hovering in a spacecraft? I mean, at some point, don't you have to sort of like get a little more up close and personal with planet Earth and the people in it before? I mean, how did they get the people, they must have landed at some point if, what do you think about the, what was the book Communion, which was the big book? I didn't get into abductions in the film because I thought, you know, I was making this film for the masses, right? For your average person who hasn't already gone down the rabbit hole and kind of been convinced, but this is supposed to be a very digestible, accessible, accessible film, right? So I didn't get into that because there's a bridge. Communion. I think it's a bridge too far.

If people, you did the whole thing. For my film, I thought I was a British before. I do think there's a there there. I have talked to a number of people who... I mean, if people don't remember what communion was, it's a book, Whitley Stryber, I think, who was the author. And what it basically was, I'm really, you know, back of the envelope here, but a lot of people had a very, very similar experience.

That's what he calls it communion. And when you ask them, I think independently, but certainly in a group, what was... what happened. They just had this experience. It involved someone, and they kind of describe him the same way, like four foot tall, the almond dyes. You know, it's the classic. I interview military personnel, like real people with great resumes who had experiences on military bases and then claim that they were abducted. I interviewed them, and it's very compelling to hear them talk, and people who don't know each other having similar stories, it's extremely

compelling. But why do you think they all look, I mean, they all say like four foot tall. Well, they don't all say that, to be clear. They, they, they, they, there's different, there's a few different descriptions. They all did in communion. Did that, that seem to be, maybe that

was just the species that was in vogue at the time. Well, in that book, that's what they talked about. But, I mean, if they really are that advanced, wouldn't they be taller? I mean, they must know that everybody swipes left on any, There's a few different types of being that are described regularly by people who say they've been abducted. If you want to go down a really interesting rabbit hole, there's a famous psychiatrist who's passed away.

He died in a horrible accident. But his name was John Mack, and he was the head of child psychiatry at Harvard. And you say it was an accident? I do believe it was an accident. He was riding his bike, and he got hit by a car. that I think I think he got hit by a spaceship riding his bike but you should read his books he he was a very straight-laced psychiatrist he was at the time he was the most famous child psychiatrist in the world and he started seeing some patients who would claim to be abducted and he at first

thought maybe they just you know were crazy people and then he started to go down the rabbit hole a little more and he started to believe that what these people say they experienced they really did experience he started to find all these commonalities people had no relationship to each other. Well, that was what was compelling about that book. I'm not saying I'm 100% believing in, but I do remember it at the time, and I do remember a lot of people talking about it,

and it was, to say the least, odd. Now, there are odd psychological phenomenon that do happen here on Earth. But it was odd that so many people would have such a similar memory of something, and it was a vague memory. They, you know, they seem to have been abducted if this is the story. They came back and it was like, boy, my ass is sore.

Not everyone, not everyone. That's a guy. I've actually interviewed a lot of people who say they've been abducted that did not have that experience. But it did happen to some people. Okay. Well, let's just say the good-looking ones. They, you know, either the aliens abducted me, or there was something at John Waters after Halloween party.

No, but, you know, it just seemed like there was... This is why I didn't include it, because it's a slippery slope to someone not taking it serious. And, you know, but... I take everything serious. I think there's a... I think there's a there as bizarre as that is. Well, I feel like it's moved in phases. I feel like there was the Roswell phase, and then there was a phase where there was.

they seem to be, and this also is, what's the close encounters, that seems to be that phase where they were more, they were interested in getting up close and personal. And they did need to find out what a human body was like, and maybe that is what the anal probes were all about. Well, I mean, a moment in close encounters that most people forget about is at the very end, when the craft lands and the doors open,

people walk off of it. Yes. Pilots, Air Force pilots from the 50s or the 60s that haven't aged a day. Right. And I think he put that in the movie because he knew that the abduction situation is a real situation

and wanted to at least address it a little bit, but did in a way, a genius Spielberg way, where a lot of people don't even pay attention to it. The whole buildup to the craft landing was enough for them and you know well he put that in a movie because he works in hollywood and hollywood if you say have an age today you got me all right i think a lot it's fascinating stuff man this is fascinating stuff and i think you're doing a great job getting it out there it's important work i think you'll be remembered for your important work i appreciate you yeah you know paying attention

to oh no no no using your platform i'm a real interest in this this topic i i you know I take shit from both sides because people, they say they want honesty, they don't. You're from Jersey, like me. I'm from Jersey like you. So that's what I got to be. All right, pal. Thank you. Thanks, man.

Appreciate it. All right. Ooh. Good peanut. Next one now. Oh, no. That's the line. I love this patent.

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