Club Random with Bill Maher - David Foster | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

Legendary hitmaker David Foster joins Bill Maher on Club Random with the stories behind some of music’s biggest hits—and a few well-kept secrets. Foster explains why even the greatest artists only bat “50 out of 1,000,” reveals how a fake rough mix helped turn Whitney Houston’s “I Will Always Love You” into an iconic recording, and recounts the terrifying night he accidentally struck actor Ben Vereen while driving home from a session with Michael Bolton. Foster weighs in on Barbra Streisand’s Guilty, puts The Beatles in a league of their own, and shares a hilarious story about trying hash as a teenager in Canada. He and Maher also tackle AI’s growing influence on music, age-gap relationships, education, dream dinner guests, and whether Bill changed—or the Democratic Party did.During a lively round of rapid-fire questions about the Beatles versus the Stones and dream dinner guests, Foster and Maher tackle AI’s growing influence on music, age-gap relationships, education, and whether Bill changed—or the Democratic Party did. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: https://billmaher.substack.com Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Support our Advertisers: Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers or go to Quince dot com slash RANDOM. Go to One Two Zero L-I-F-E dot com and use the code RANDOM to save twenty percent. Ready to have an AI that can tackle real work? Try Claude Cowork today on any paid plan at Claude.ai slash random. Dose: New customers can save 35% on your first month of subscription by going to dosedaily.co/RANDOM or entering RANDOM at checkout. Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM In Club Random, Bill Maher unleashes his comedic wit on an unpredictable lineup – from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Quentin Tarantino and Neil deGrasse Tyson – digging into everything but politics. It’s Maher in his familiar element: one-on-one vibes, unfiltered laughs, and the kind of freewheeling banter only he can deliver. ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last 23 years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 41 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written six bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass", and most recently "What This Comedian Said Will Shock You". FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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What? What? No. It's not good. Oh, you're so wrong. Okay. David. Young Bill.

Hey. I had a girlfriend who called me that. Oh, really? Late in life, too. Nice to see you. Ironically, I assume. Yeah. Well.

This is it, eh? It's what I watch all the time. You do? I'm so glad. Well, I'm a big fan. Well, likewise. And, you know, I know you don't do this a lot. Your daughter, I think, is the one who, because I ran into her.

Sarah. Yes. Yes. And she was so nice, and I said, well, you know what? Have you ever want to pass along? Because I, you know, I'm sure people, everybody wants to get you on. And it's just, why would you? You don't need it.

What's it going to do for you? Yeah, I mean, at this point in my life, just telling the same stories seems a little bit redundant, you know? And I think I've sort of told everything at least once. So I have friends that have podcasts, and I just sort of said no because, like you said. There's nothing more to say it really. I won't say much to me. Oh, yes, you will. You don't even know you will.

I don't even know. And I'll do it with all without smoke. I know you don't. I'm sorry about that. No, no, no. I have a story about it. No, about having a bad experience with pot? Yeah.

Really? Well, you know what? I have never been a proselytizer for pot. I am not Johnny Apple Pot. No. I'm not trying to get people. It just works for you. It works for me.

Yeah. It works for some people. It works for other people in different ways. It gets me high other people who puts their sleep. And some people that doesn't work at all. What happened to you? I was in a band when I was 18. in Edmonton, Albert, I'm Canadian.

And we had this incredible saxophone player in the band. He was still, to this day, he's world-class. People love him. And he was a druggie. And he said, can I live with you for a couple of months? I can't remember if he was getting divorced or whatever. And I said, sure, very innocently, because I knew nothing at 18 about that world.

And we had a party with some people over, and he convinced me to smoke a little hash, which I'd never done before and have not done since. Well, starting on hash is a little like, you know, that's not the bunny slope. No. You're going right to. I went black.

I went to the black run, right? And we made too much noise. It was in a condo. And the police came. Now, instead of him saying, handling it at the front door, he went to the door, and then he said,

I'll get the owner. and I was pretty out of it and I had to go to the door and that was you the owner? That was me the owner and the cops were so great they were like what's that smell?

I was like I don't know and they said just try and be a little quieter and it freaked me out so much that plus not wanting to It's so Canadian this story yeah yeah it is

and then some nice people showed up and nothing bad happened nothing bad happened and I also never wanted to disappoint my parents I know that sounds tales from Canada.

Tom Green. What else didn't happen to you, David Foster? Tell me about the time you didn't go to prison and... Yeah. Now, what is it like, what would you say is the worst thing that ever happened to you? Because I think about that a lot because I feel like I've had a charmed life and I know the perspective of the things that could happen to people. You could go to war.

Never did that. No. Your parents could die young or they could have been shitty or, you know, I feel like I a lucky person because were your parents great? Yes. Still alive? No. Come on. You're a lot younger than I am.

Yeah, they could be 100. Yeah. Well, not a lot younger, but yeah. So what's the worst thing? The worst thing that happened to me, I say it was the excuse me, the worst night of my life. I was producing Michael Bolton. Already I'm not sad for you. Already I hate the story.

No, no, but I'm just not sad. Michael Bolter, I loved him. I live in Malibu. I was in at the record plant, and it was like 1 o'clock, and I was like, Michael, I really got to go home. No, come on, just one more take, and he kept egging me on, right? Finally, at about quarter to two, I roll out of there. I'm driving on PCH. It's dark.

I'm looking at the ocean. I'm doing about 50 miles an hour in my SUV, and I look, and all of a sudden I see a figure in the middle of the road. And it takes about one second, as you probably well know, for you to go, that's a person. Right. The second second, you hit the brakes. Right.

And the third second, you hit him. And I hit this guy going probably 48 miles an hour. Right. It was a mad scene. The helicopters came. He bit his tongue off. He broke both his legs. They got the body bag out.

And in the midst of all this, I thought I had hit a homeless person because he had no shoes, no shirt, just shorts. In the midst of all this, one of the policemen said, you know who you hit, right? I said, no, I'm spinning. And he goes, you hit Ben Bering, the actor.

Oh, I know, Ben Boreen. I remember the story. I had forgotten that you, yeah. And that is horrendous. I mean, no jokes there. That's just got to be one of the, you can't, I mean, and it's not your fault. It wasn't my fault, but still.

And they talk about flashbacks, and I never thought flashbacks were real. But I swear to you, for about two weeks, every 30 seconds, I went like that. Like, I just couldn't get the hit. And he didn't die from it. He did not. In fact, he recovered pretty much 100%. Right. But it was tragic.

I remember there was a joke. I may have done it myself. I know. How do you get to Melville? Right. 20 miles in pitch the age to hit Benvereign. And turn right. Because we have to laugh.

Yeah. But you can, no, I can see why that is. You probably haven't even hit an animal before, let alone a person. No, right.

That's right. Yeah. And that would probably bother me more. But on an up note. As a Peter board member. No, I would be horrified. But yeah, that is a horrifying thing. Yeah.

On the way here, my wife and I, Kat and Kim were listening to the Nikki Glazer one that you did. Oh. And then a little bit of the Charlie Kurt one. Oh, my. Just so I could refresh myself and get a taste of what you are. Well, yeah. I mean, it's, I feel it's more intimate than anything I see.

I see, I mean, I keep saying this and I hope people don't think I'm just, you know, trying to put other people down. I'm not, I'm just saying the other ones just look like talk shows to me. They just changed. It's not on TV, it's on podcasting. Yeah. But it's still microphones and cards and producers and questions. And now we're going to take a break and then this.

That's not. I mean, I have never one single thought about one thing I'm going to say before I get you. Do you prepare at all? Of course not. This is the anti-real time. Right. Which I love that show. Oh, thank you.

Yeah, but I already have that kind of show. This is just like what would it be like if I had a dream? and usually a smoke with someone, you know, sometimes it's somebody I know, and somebody is somebody like you who are like, I don't know, but I want to know. It's fantastic, because we probably would not do this unless there was podcasting involved. But also, why not? Why not let the people have the treat of seeing these two old war horses, compare notes? Oh, by the way, speaking of that, I thought of you, like in the last year, because, this is, again, you know, kind of a downer, but I felt like, you know, within a year, I think we lost two of the lion,

two of what I would say, three lions of your generation who created so much of the music we listened to. And I would put you in that category, Quincy Jones, and Clive Davis. Oh, Clive just recently, yeah. I mean, between Quincy Jones, Clive Davis, and you, that's a lot of the music, be what they call the soundtrack of our lives. And, you know, I'm glad they don't come in threes because that's a big chunk. Well, they do come in threes, by the way, I think. Good night.

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slash random. That's clawed. and check out Claude Pro, which includes access to all of the features mentioned in today's episode. Claude.a.I. slash random. No, that's two giants right there. Yeah. When I think about, especially Clive, although to my credit, he didn't have to produce all those records. But when I think about who he discovered, the amount of people he discovered, it makes me want to just burn my catalog and go home.

It is amazing. Yeah. And the ones he didn't, he will take credit for it. I mean, I kid. Yeah. Now that he's not here to yell at me. But, no, I mean, he, look, Clive was what I always called a delightful egomaniac. Like the nicest kind, you know, and it's okay.

He deserved it. Like, he did, as you say, like things that no mortal has done, the man with the golden ears. And just, and really just the number of people, he was either discovered directly or was involved in or shaped their careers. Sometimes it was just about the argument of, I want to write my own material. That's very nice. Do this song, and he was always right. He was usually right.

Like I said, usually right. Where was he wrong? Well, I mean, we all know his successes. But like the rest of us, I bet in the hit record department, in the hit song department, I bat, well, 50 out of a thousand. What is that? That's still great. That's 0.50.

If I was a player, I would not get a job. But this is not baseball, this is music, and even the artists who I adore in my collection, and I am a very anal retentive, meticulous gatherer of music. I don't keep anything in my playlist that I don't really. I'm not on that page, the new page of, like, you might like. I might, and I probably won't. I don't mind listening to it once, but I want.

want what I want. And even among the greats, yeah, it's 40 songs, 50 songs, 60 songs, and they probably put out 600, you know, over decades. And that's still, I think, fantastic. And that's on the high end. You do, you know, the Beatles, I would say more. They were a freak show. They were a freak show. They were a freak show. Right. But even them, like, not everything. Not everything, but they barely, their batting average was way higher than more. Exactly. No, that's absolutely true. I have some questions for you. Do you mind? Can I flip it? At least you did, at least one of us did some preparation. No, I didn't need any prep for this. I have five questions. Wow, five questions. But they're rapid fire. Oh, gee. Meaning,

I know you know what that means, but don't give me an explanation. Your answer may be different tomorrow. Well, you got the wrong guy for this game. Really? No. I just got, just, don't. I'll play along. Go ahead. First question. Beatles or Stones? Cat. Sorry, I just want to say Jeopardy. I wanted to be Beatles.

Okay. Second question, Desert Island CD. It can be the greatest hits, and I know there's no CDs anymore, but if there were, for the rest of your life, one CD, it can be the greatest hits, it can be a double album, but it can't be a playlist.

Strison and Barry Gibb guilty. What? Whoa. Do you know how much I've just learned about you? Just with those two questions. Bad or good? You could have said Stones and Gordon Lightfoot or whatever, but... If you could read my mind, David.

Quick. You would know. Quick. Okay. Wait, no, I got to... Go ahead. It's your show. Do you love this?

No, no, I want to know about Guilty. I love that, oh. Okay, well, so we agree. So it's not bad. No. Oh, okay. Just, I didn't think of you as a Srysand person, but... Oh, are you kidding?

Barry Gibb. We're a good friend. That's why I'm here. Probably right, that kind of music, my little pussy music that I make. Pussy music. I make pussy music. Okay, you got the wrong guy for that, too. I have never been someone who gives a fuck what people think about the music, whether it's too popular.

Oh, my God, a lot of people like it. It must be terrible, or it's corny. If it's good, it's good. You know, a lot of your records are good. In any genre. In any genre, in any decade. Yeah. You know what the miracle of the guilty record is?

Barry Gilli made Barber. Barbara Streisand sound like Olivia Newton John. You think about it, go listen to it again with those ears. He made her sound like Olivia Newton John, like a pop singer. She's not a pop singer. I'm sure Olivia Newton John is very talented. That's an insane thing to say about Barbara Streisand. And I don't just say that because we are club.

I've said it to her. We are close. And you're still here to report it? I'm shocked. Yeah, the day is not over yet. I mean, she has a voice and an interrogate. interpretive ability of a song that I think is, you know, there's a reason why she is in a class by herself. In fact, they did her promotion once for, they did a follow-up album called Guilty 2.

You're aware, 2005, I think. Also has some very good songs on it. Another, for some, I said. It's not like the first one, which is just, everyone just the first note to the last. That's why I would take it, because I don't get sired of it. I haven't heard it as much because it was 1980. I've heard the Beatles since 1970. No, listen to it again with those ears. He took some of the personality out of her voice.

Listen to it again. Took the part out? He took some of the personality out to make her more of a pop singer. I don't know what that means. Took the person. First of all, try taking the personality out of Barbara Streisand. Have you read her book?

Yes, I have. It's awesome. Well, I might read the parts with me in it. No. Did you read you didn't read the whole thing? No. It is long, but it is worth it. It's a fun.

And you could tell it's her. You could tell there was no ghost writer. This is her. As with everything she does. Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, and her, I mean, talk about a strong personality that is in, I mean, almost every part she played in her movies, you think about it.

Like, she sort of insisted on, you know, in this country that is still a little anti-Semitic, you know, we're not hiding that this character. that this character is Jewish. No. You know, and the nose, you know, no, my nose is fine, which it was. Yeah. I mean, so I just don't think you could take the personality out of anything she does. Go listen to it again.

And get back to me. Okay, wait, you really didn't play the game that well. Question 3, did you? Well, I didn't because you leaped forward and went, I found so much about you now. So couldn't. So what? So dramatic.

We have a clock here? What do we have to go to commercial? So we paused there. Now one to question three. Question three. Dead dinner date. And there's some rules. Dead dinner date.

Cannot be a family member. You can pick any time of his or her life. Language is no barrier. And they have to tell the truth. They're dead and you're gonna have dinner with them. Oh, I see, they're dead. Yeah. Can't be a family member.

Oh, I should have thought about this before in my life. No. Well, maybe in your life, but. I mean, I just thought the top of my head I'm gonna go with Genghis Khan yeah okay that's a good one I mean I'm the reason for this is he apparently there you go explaining again murder 11% of the population of the earth but he may also be the related back to DNA wise 11% so we did a lot of killing and a lot of rapy I'd like his own kin yeah that seems like the whole world

yeah I'm sorry you're right that's right fourth question and of course this one is For people like us, we have so much access, it's kind of an easy question, but live dinner date. Live dinner date? Live dinner date. You haven't had dinner. Do you like to spend some time with? What are you doing Friday?

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So can't make dinner. A concert in Seattle with my wife with the symphony. So can't make dinner, but go ahead. Boy, can she sing. I was at a Seth MacFarlane party once. I sang with him at that party. That's so open this party. Yeah, I got it.

Because I turned him onto this an opera album that he wasn't not aware of. Really? Yeah, yeah. And we sang the song. And then she came up and it was like, oh, wow. That's what singing is. And Seth's a great singer. He's done really well.

He's really spread the word, you know? Anyway. Live dinner date. Live dinner date. Let's see. Is Nelson Mandela still alive? I don't believe so. Oh, damn.

I should have been my dead. It could have been your dead dinner date. She's been my dead one. That name always works. Mother Teresa, she's gone. Oh, fuck. Greta Toonberg. She's a professional, useless idiot.

And I would like to talk some sense into her. I like that. And I know the Swedes have a very good command of English. They do. Yes. Some people could take an easy course there and pick someone they like and would agree with them. But I choose Greta, not because it's easy,

but because it's odd. How did... 1962, or whatever. How did she get to be so Greta? Is that your fifth question? No. Now you're doing it to yourself. No, I'm just so curious.

I mean, I can't believe it. How did that whole generation get there? My short answer, lack of education. We stopped teaching kids things. They don't know anything. They're not stupid. Stupid, you know, ignorant is different than stupid. Right.

If you're stupid, it just means you can't learn because you're fucking stupid. If you're ignorant, it just means you don't know things. And it's not their fault that the schools stop teaching them things, history, economics, anything. And so they just pull anything out of their ass. And because the parenting was so indulgent, they just thought every brain fart that a kid came up with was genius. They didn't challenge it. And, you know, the upshot is you have people running for president or elected office now who want to, like, rid of the police and get rid of prisons and get rid of borders and make shoplifting legal.

I mean, there's a lady in the news this week from New York who wants to say, says, just, you know what, toothpaste, diapers, just stuff people need, you know, you can't arrest summit for shopping, shoplifting certain items. I mean, some of this stuff is just so. Do you see Mom Dami said you need to have an ID now to go into his grocery store? Well, his groceries. His grocery store. Well, the, yeah, the state, I guess.

Well, that's not the part of that, that I'm. I object to. It's the fact that I don't think we should have government-run grocery stories. I remember what they looked like in Cuba and the Soviet Union. It wasn't great. You know, kids, we tried this shit, you know. Name a place where it works. I dare you. It doesn't. No, it doesn't. You know, I mean, look, I saw you take shit because you did a... Spencer. Yeah, Spencer, who was here. I heard it. We had a fun time. It was fantastic. You know, I mean, you know, I don't hate anybody because of where they are with their, especially a guy like that, who I told him up front, you know, I said, you don't know a lot that you really need to know before you take elected office.

I've never been on the page that someone can just waltz into elected office. It is actually something people study about, you know. Obama was a constitutional lawyer. I mean, a constitutional professor of constitutional law. You don't have to be that far, but you have to know some. And he doesn't, which is okay. but he had instincts and we do have a failed system here. And it just shows that in this state, I guess everywhere,

we're so bipartisan now that we will accept failure, which we plainly have here in California, over voting for the party of Trump, which I understand, because he does a lot of things that are, I mean, plus Jesus, I mean, I get a lot of shit from him for the things I criticize just off the top of my head, vulgar, corrupt, doesn't concede elections, you know,

inept at things that sometimes were a good idea to begin with, close the border, you know, get rid of nuclear weapons in Iran, but fucked up the execution. As long as he's there, this state will never vote for a Republican, matter how bad the Democrat gets. And that is a bad place to be. Do you realize the journey that you've taken

because I've watched you over the years politically and on your other show, the CNN show, you've really kind of morphed? I didn't. They did. Are you sure you didn't? I am positive. Were you not a staunch Democrat 10 years ago?

I wrote a whole book about it, which was, it said in the introduction, the reason of writing this book is to examine this very question. Did they change or did I change? Right. The thought that 10 years ago, which was the Obama era, Was I mostly making fun of the Republicans?

Yes, reasoned. Democrats weren't funny. Nobody in the Obama eros were suggesting we cancel Thanksgiving. People say, why do you make fun of the Leftmore? Because I'm a comedian. And they're giving me a fucking barnful of gold with their nonsense.

I haven't stopped making fun of the Republicans. These people just joined the party. And their insanity is just as funny, certainly as funny, dangerous, that's debatable. But as funny, oh yes. I mean... Do you remember the first time you heard the word woke? Because I remember the first time I heard it. Must have been maybe eight years ago. Yeah, and it used to have a noble meaning. It used to mean alert to injustice. And then it, that's something that morphed because people just took it

so far. It became an eye roll. Now, it strangles us. It's an eye roll. Yeah. You know, for most people. Yeah. I mean, if you still think woke means only good things, you haven't really been paying attention for the last six, seven years. Yeah. But I'm sure you got shit from this town, which is a one true opinion town, for doing that. Yeah. And that's, that's, I mean. I don't even think of him as a Trumper, quote unquote.

Right. He ran as an independent and, you know, got upset when Trump endorsed him. But you're not allowed to have a different opinion. Do you remember the Reagan years? I mean, you're a little young for that. Of course. No, I'm not. Yeah, you are a hold of you.

What? I'm 70. Oh, well, you're younger than me, but you can remember it. Yeah. It was so great. I mean, you could talk about it. You could, there was none of this. There was none of this.

You know, you could have dinner with the other side and you could. You're saying pre-court. I don't mean to have dinner with him. I mean, just dinner with the Republican. That's who I want to have dinner with. That would be good. No, he would be boring. Yeah.

Boring. He was a boring guy. It has, you think so? Reagan? Yeah. Certainly by the time he was president, and he was just, he was a well-meaning, old fuddy-duddy. He had his set ideas. Some of them were, some of them were great.

Like, you know, I love what he said about the Cold War. My strategy, we win, they lose. Yeah. You know, that was pretty awesome. And he was right. Yeah. Interesting. He also said you don't help the poor by taxing the rich.

Just saw that today, actually. Or something. Am I paraphrasing? No, that's probably what he said. Of course, it's not 100% true. You do help the poor. I mean, my complaint is stop saying the rich don't pay a lot of taxes because we actually do. And that's okay.

I guess not on the super corporate level. That's true. If you're Amazon and you have an army of a thousand lawyers. And also, some of it is just they're plowing the money back into the business. That was always Bezos's thing. But I'm sure a lot of shenanigans go on there. He actually said, you don't help the poor by trying to take down the rich. That's what he said.

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Okay. Now, it goes to the government, which then, you know, you're only... Pizzes it away. Pizzes a lot of it away. Some of it doesn't. And instead of... If there was an alternative universe where there was no government, and it was direct, instead of us giving the money

to the state of California, we could stand outside the free clinic every day. And when someone came out after a checkup, and I'll take that bill. And that is actually what's going on with just the state of California in the middle of it. And I'm not against it. I'm happy to pay because I'm lucky,

and I do make a great salary. I'm happy to pay for people who can't afford medical care. But if that's... That bucket you're transferring my money to them in is so leaky that, like, you know, 10% of it is getting through. Then I'm going to get pissed off about that. Yeah. Question five. Yes, sir.

Event in history that you would like to change, not taking into account the domino effect. The cancellation of McCall's Navy, you know. God, yes. The last year they went to Italy. Ernest Borgne. Oh. And Tim Conway is Mr. The last year they moved, you know, the show's dying as shows do, and they moved it to Italy from the South Pacific.

I thought it was a great move because you have new characters, the crazy Italian, a mayor in the town. I don't know what that is, but I must have a little bit. It's tequila. Yeah, go ahead. Good. Okay. And I just thought it deserved one more year. So maybe that isn't the most important thing, but you ask me and that's me.

And that's your answer? That's my answer. And you're sticking with it? It's your final answer? If I could change one event in history, you would change. Maybe Lincoln's assassination. That really had terrible repercussions. Yeah.

Not many people say that. Most people of our age say the Holocaust. Some say Ferdinand, people are a little older. Oh, yeah. The Holocaust, but I didn't know. And then younger people say 9-11. That is their Holocaust, so they say. Nothing compares to the Holocaust.

No. And it's, I mean, there are things in history that absolutely do compared to the Holocaust. But lots of people just love to throw that term around. I mean, this country is so anti-Semitic now that people, you hear sort of mainstreamy people say, oh, stop whining about, whining? What turned the Democratic Party against Israel? What turned them? It's a question I explore a lot on my show. I don't know the answer.

And you don't either? I do. Again, it's lack of education. It's lack of education. They don't know anything about the Middle East or the history. They just know one thing that has been indoctrinated in, which is that the world is divided between oppressors and oppressors, people who are oppressed.

And it has everything and only to do with race, which is ridiculous. It has sometimes some things to do with race. Certainly in America it did. But slavery wasn't invented in 16. 19. And as far as this connection somehow between the brown people who are Palestinians, they must be right because they're brown and they're poor. And the Israelis are rich and white, which is not even true. Israelis are brown too.

And they're not all rich. There's Ashkenazi, which are white from Europe, and there's lots of Sephardic who are from the Mediterranean. And it's very complicated, but they just got it into their heads. that one side, and somehow it's always the Jews, at every point in history, it just seems to always land back at the Jews. I mean, it's so bad now that the right wing is doing it, Tucker Carlson is doing it,

and Candice O isn't doing it, and so is everybody in the Democratic Socialists. You have to get on the page that Israel is the monster country of all time. I'm all for criticizing Israel, where it deserves to be, there is lots of stuff going on in the West Bank that really does.

need to stop but it's a much more complicated situation and especially Gaza which they got into their head is a genocide I mean I won't bore you with why that's just a ridiculous thing to say there's an actual meaning to that word and it didn't happen there and they were attacked and blah blah blah but they just the problem with white liberals is it's so much more important to them to feel like they're the good people who are doing the good things and And they know who the bad people are. That's how they know they're good.

They're so bad. They're bad. And so it all comes down to bad. Bad. I'm bad. That's how I know I'm good. And so it all comes down to this kind of very simplistic thinking. They don't really think it through.

And that's how you wind up with people with t-shirts that say, Queers for Palestine, a place that would throw you off the roof for just being queer. I mean, the fact that they can't see a discrepancy like that makes me really worry about people like that. That's why, you know, I can't guarantee I'm going to turn over the country to you to answer your question of a while ago. I didn't change. I've heard you say that before. I haven't. If the Democrats had been all about wondering which side should have won the Cold War, as a lot of these Democratic Socialists do,

and flirting with communism and all this Jew-hating. I mean, I could call it anti-sit, it's Jew-hating. I wouldn't have been for them in 2010. But they weren't close to that back then. People change, parties change. Yeah. You know, the Republican Party was the Liberal Party at the time of the Civil War.

Lincoln freed the slaves. It was the Democrats who were the racist party for like the next hundred years. things change and then Kennedy came in he switched it up I have a good when you were talking about Clyle

let's go light now for a while shall we want to lighten up I don't plan anything like when you meet somebody at a bar do you have an agenda what you're going to talk about

well I don't go to bars well anywhere when you got to dinner right this is that yeah I don't go like oh let's go light now after this break

and a word from Del Monte yeah yeah but I love to talk about Clive. I have great... I think I saw you. I think that's the place where I met you was at a clive of that. I always said every one of those. I worked at once. The dinner. The party. Getting older in America means everything you loved eating in your 20s gets reclassified as a threat. One day it's a dinner. The next, it's a conversation about your cholesterol. And the standard offer is pills. Every day, forever. Well, a lot of people would rather manage their own health than sign a lifetime contract.

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slash random for 35% off your first month prescription. So you may or may not know that I worked with Whitney a lot. I do know that. I do know that. Yeah. So Clive notoriously, when you turn in a record to him, he notoriously has comments. Even when there shouldn't be comments,

he has to have his thumbprint on it for better or for worse. Sometimes he makes the records better, sometimes he makes them worse. So he always has something to say about it, which makes you have to redo the mix or the drums or the whatever, right? So I thought, okay, the song I will always love you. It sounded pretty good to me. And I said to myself, I'm going to trick Clive this time. I'm going to do a rough mix that takes 20 minutes.

I love it. And normally mixes back then, before there was computers, a mix would take 10 to 12 hours. So I'm going to do a 10-minute rough mix, just shove all the instrument up on the faders and send it to him. He's going to have comments, and it'll save me all that worry and time of 12 hours worth just to do another 12 hours.

I'll do 10 minutes on this. He'll give me all his notes, and then I can do the mix for real. So a yardsticked the mix, right, which is basically put all the faders up like that, sent it on a dat, digital audio tape, and then I waited for the phone call to say, God, then the drums of this.

You can't have her sing without music in the front, whatever the fuck he was going to say. He loved it. He loved it. He loved it. When I say he loved it. Is that the record that went out? Yes. But don't kill my story.

Because there's more to the story, Bill. It never has happened to me. And all the times I worked with him with Kenny G. and all Tony Baxter and all these people that I had worked with him on, always comments. He said, I love it, I love it, I love it. Don't change the thing. I said, well, actually, I have a few things I want to do. to tune the saxophone, I want to add a guitar. He said, well, you can do whatever you want, but I'm telling you,

this mix you've delivered is the one. And this was at the beginning of the summer. So as the summer went on, I sent him other versions, right, with the fixed sax in tune and this thing fixed and more guitars and all that. He said, no, no, I love the original. We finally got into this huge argument on the phone. And he said a great, I started yelling at him. I said, fuck you, I mean, I was really crazy.

So wait, now you're defending the thing. that you thought was a piece of shit? Yes. I love this. Yes. Good, good observation. How dare you say my piece of shit is a piece of shit? He gave me the, he said the greatest line.

He said, David, I think we should hang up now before one of us says something that we don't mean or that we're going to regret, which was a great line. I calmed down. By the end of the summer, I said, well, Clive, I have a confession to make. And then I told him what I'd done. I said, that mix doesn't even exist anywhere. It's only on that little digital audio tape, like a cassette that you have.

I said, you probably don't even have that anymore. He said, I've carried that around in my pocket all summer. I played it for everybody, and that's the record. So we took that digital audio tape, little thing, took it to mastering, and that became the record, just as you said. Well, not that I've ever had Paul McCartney here, but I would love to. Yes.

But I would probably tempt his wrath by telling him, apropos of this. I like the long and winding road with the strings that Phil Specter put on it. And I know it's cool, apropos of our discussion about what's cool. It's cooler to like the naked version. No, I don't give a shit. He did the right thing, I think. Phil.

Phil Spector. It's a song that demands a choir. The murderer. What? The murderer. Okay, well, let's leave the unpleasantness out of this. We're just talking about a record producer. The Long and Winding Road by the Beatles.

Yeah. Love it. I love it. I love it. And I love it with the strings and the choir. It's that kind of song. Give me what I want. Yeah, okay.

I'm just the young man in the 22nd row. No, you're right. So when I produced Paul McCartney in the 80s, apropos of that. Which record? Nothing that was any great. It was called Flowers in the Dirt. It was not so good.

What? No. It's not good. Oh, you're so wrong. Well, I only did three songs on my record. You're so wrong that they're... No, no, because they re-released it. I know.

They don't re-release everything. First of all, he did it with Elvis Costello. So he finally had the John Lennon replacement. Not that he didn't do great things on his own with Denny Lane and other people or just by himself, but he finally had another Liverpoolan who was just... I mean, my brave face, this one... I mean, there are some great...

I should back up. I did three songs on that. not the whole record. Which ones? Oh, I don't even remember. It's a great record. Indiana. There's no Indiana on it.

Lindiana. No. After his wife. Yes, it was a bonus track. No, it wasn't. I have the... Jesus, what do you mean? It's not even a bonus track.

It's a bonus track. No, it isn't, because I got the remastered, re... Google it. I don't have to. I had... I was there. Google it. There is no...

What is it? Lindiana? No. There's no... There's two other songs I did. That was never released. I did the song Flowers in the Dirt, I think. Is there a song called Flowers in the Dirt?

No, that's a line in a song. I did three songs. It's a great record from top to bottom. It really is. Okay. It absolutely is. I love him, but... There's three songs on that that would have been giant hits if they were Beatles' songs in the day.

My Brave Face, this one, and Circle of a... Something... Talk amongst yourself. Circle or something. I don't want. But it's a great record, and you should be proud. of any songs you put on it. Okay, here we go.

There's one song that they didn't include... No, they're saying Indiana. I said Lindiana. Yeah, it doesn't exist. That's why you can't get it on Google. There's one song that they didn't put out called Tommy's Coming Home or something. It was like about a soldier.

And you can hear that... But I do get producer credit, along with a bunch of other people. But that song is it out there? Fuck. What? It's a book. track? Hey, bro, it happens to me till you get older.

Your mind moves the furniture. You don't remember everything exactly. I didn't think of the other two songs, though. Maybe this was even a different artist. No, he was Paul McCraney. Well, it didn't even make it on the outtakes. No, but that's one song I did two other songs. What are the other ones? Well, let me find them. You don't even remember? Come on, man. How come how am I supposed to remember that? We got married? Yes. Yes, I did that song. Okay. Yes. All right. I'm glad you had an orgasm. It's a good song. We got married, yeah.

We got married. It's funny when we walked into that session. He said, I asked a mate to come over to play guitar. I hope you don't mind. I walked in the room, and it was Dave Gilmore, which was kind of heady. But my point was, what was my point? Paul McCartney. Yes.

When I got together with Paul, I thought that I was going to write the Long and Winding Road part two. And I started playing all this stuff that, you know, everything that I could conjure up from that vibe. And he was like, I don't want to do that shit. I already did that. I don't want to do any of that. That's why he's a great artist. Yeah. Because you don't want to repeat yourself.

Yeah. But doing another great ballad would not be repeating yourself if it's great. No. You know. We got married. You got married. No. You got married a lot.

So did you. I've never been married. Have you ever met me? We did meet once, but. You just talk about your girlfriends all the time. I don't talk about, I avoid talking about it. But what I would say we have in common is we are age gap guys. We are guys who defend the concept of the age gap,

which for some reason, not any reasonable reason, is somehow immoral. It's not. You know what? Age gaps work. Oh, you're talking about man and woman? No, man in Jimenez. Yes, of course, man. woman. What do you mean? You gotta be more specific.

Age, well, what could it be? Age gap. I've always gotten shit about it. You've gotten shit about it. And it's not for everybody, but nobody complains when a woman does it. It's okay when Cher and Madonna do it. Right. Well, it's not really. People still complain about it, but... Complained. How do you

have the right to complain about another person's... See, I always thought with Kat and I I, I started with Celine when she was 19, right? Celine Dion. Celine Dion. And at that time, there was a little spark, but nobody really knew what was going on. By the second album, they were together.

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that eventually, if not now, that it just looks right to people, that they don't think about it. People are, David, people are looking for reasons to hate. They have shitty, empty lives a lot of other. The ones who are like actually writing shit on the internet, I'm not characterizing all of America this way, but if you have the time and the inclination to do that and write about your personal life, you're a fucking loser, who should be spending your time doing something about your life. So they're just looking for things to hate, and this is an easy target. And, you know, the answer is, you're having a great life. Yeah. And by the way, I just think a lot of even younger people realize these days that, as opposed to the days of your, when we expect you to live our

whole life with one person, maybe that isn't really reasonable anymore or even desirable. We go through very different phases of our own. So do women. No, I don't mean just you or not. You and Nikki talked about it. You and Nikki talked about that. We did. Nikki Glazer, yeah.

She was Robbie Stone. Humans, we all do. We go through phases. We're not the same person at 20 as we are at 50. So the idea that we have different partners isn't necessarily a moral failing. Now, can you find the person, some people find the person who they go through the whole journey with? They can, and they do, and that's great for you. Other people, I think, understand, oh, no, you know, for this era of my life, eras, we just had a big eras tour, didn't we?

E-R-A-S, not E-R-R-O-S. Teller-S-W-S-R-O-S. Tellers Swift, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, we have errors in our life. Maybe it's, you know, it's going to be painful when you have to transition from one error to the other if it involves another human. But in the end, that's what we do. And it seems right at the time.

You feel right now, don't you? I do. You do. I mean, the concept of one person was invented by probably people that were eaten by dinosaurs by the age 25. Well, I'm not going to invite them to dinner. Butta bing. They can go get their own fucking dinner. So do you currently have a girlfriend?

Well, see, these are the questions I avoid. Really? Why? Because, first of all... To be you uncomfortable? I don't want to... I don't think people treat personal information respectfully enough to give it to them is the main reason. Got it.

And if I did have a person in this world who I love so... very, very fucking much. I wouldn't want to subject her to the scrutiny that that might bring her. You know what I'm saying, Dave? Yeah, I got you. It's David, by the way. You hate Dave?

No, I don't hate it. Because I call everybody like by the personal person. Can we talk about your childhood? A little bit? Yes, doctor. No, I'm curious. No, let's do it. Do you have brothers and sisters?

That's a little personal. Is it really? No, fucking with you. I'm drunk and I. Okay. Yes, I have an older sister. She just finished a lovely visit here. She was here for 10 days, so she does every summer.

Did you ever on your show? No. No. But she was in the box when I got the Mark Twain Award last month at the Kennedy Center. That must have been something, huh? Yes, and it was wonderful for her. I think I'm sure she had a very good time, and I know she's proud of her brother, and I'm proud of her. And it was great that we could share that moment.

You know, I'm sure she remembered me as a child. who was trying to be funny. So to see your brother, after all these years, at the award you should win, if you're a comedian, I'm sure it was, you know, among the reasons why I liked that night was what I could and did do for her. Right.

I actually have the same exact feeling. I have six sisters, five of whom are alive, and I just did a big event last weekend in my hometown of Victoria. a three-night event. We raised $15 million for my foundation, and one of the three nights was a concert to the city of Victoria, an outdoor concert for 70,000 people.

All my sisters were there. And one of the great things, as you say, about doing that stuff is to show your sisters a good time. How many sisters did you have? Six, but five or so alive. Six? Yeah. And no boys. On purpose? Well, I had nothing to do with it.

I'm kidding. Yeah. Six sisters. Well, that... Does that explain a lot? It's kind of, I was going to say, you know, you seem like a guy who gets and attracts women. You know, I mean, you've had, talk about phases and errors in your life, right? Yeah, it's true. You had the, who was your first wife? Was somebody famous?

No. No? No. No. No. A good singer named BJ. Bej. BJ Thomas? Let's talk about that song.

Okay, I thought you wanted to talk about my ex-wives. I do, but let's talk about Brian Javsky fall on my head. Let's talk about Bird Background. Loved him. He loved me. He used to always come to my show. Really? Yes.

Don't say it like that's so hard to believe. Well, he's kind of an icon. Such an eye. And why is that hard to believe? A lot of icons love me. He used to always come to my show when I played San Diego. I guess he lived down there. He had the racetrack.

He lived there in the racetrack, Delmar. I don't know. I drank with him after the show many times at that theater. It was an outdoor theater, which I don't like for comedy, but I played it a million times. Humphreys, was that what it was called? Oh, yeah? Maybe.

And I loved him. I loved him, too. You know, I remember when a year ago, I went to Boca Raton and did Billy Joel, which, if you haven't heard that one. You did Billy Joel? What do you mean? Did this. Oh.

But I had to go to Boca to do it where he lives. I thought you was amazing. Please listen to it. I will. I love it. I love Billy Joel. I love Billy Joel. And they had just aired the documentary about him.

They had just, or they... Which I loved. Which I did too. And what I didn't know was he's German, you know, Billy Joel. And it's, I think, the original name, I forget, was something closer to... I mean, Bert Bach Rack has Bach right in the name. German composers kind of... Yeah, beat him.

kind of own it. Yeah. They kind of set the standard The big three, all the German or Austrian. One of Billy Joel's biggest hits, you know, he credits to, I think, is it Beethoven or Bach? It's, you know,

I can't remember it now because I'm stone, but... Are you stone or drunk? I both. You smoke before you got in here? I ate it because I know you didn't want me to smoke. Got it. How do you think it's going so far? I mean, you can't tell, right?

That's why I love this show. This is this exact, all my career, I've tried to, like, get on camera exactly who I am. Yeah. It can't get more real than this. No. It just can't. Okay, stay on track here, very back rock. Germans.

Yes. Germans. Bach, back rock. When I was in Munich, I saw, like, a lot of the names, Bach this, Bach. Oh, okay. I bought a pair of shoes that were like Johann Sebastian Bach's. Oh, no, Mozart's, the kind of bootie wore, two-tone, gray. Really?

Oh, beautiful. And you have to do them with a button hook up. Let's talk about catalogs, okay? Yeah. That's another guy that makes me want to burn my catalog, Bert Bachard. Go ahead, name a song. You know what, the one I talked to him about, because it was so unsung any day now. Right.

Jackie DeShannon? Elvis did it. Close to you. Oh. Go. Carpenters? Go. What do you mean?

Another Brackardack song. Oh, I mean, Alfie? Alfi. You ever hear the Streisand version? Of course. No personality. Boom! Okay, that catalog is just insane.

And he had a partner, you know? Hal David. Hal David. Oh. The unsung hero. Let me tell you something. I had a birthday party. Should I lean in for this one?

Yeah, you should. I had a birthday party near my. Cephiti, big one. I don't usually go in for parties. But for this one, I actually sang six songs that were meaningful to me. Can you sing? No, that's not the point. Really not at all?

Not really. Okay. That's not the point. The point is that they were meaningful to me, and it was a very special kind of party. The only people here were like the closest people in my life. And I kind of shouted out all of them, as opposed to usually what they do at a birthday party was they make it about you. I was like the opposite.

These are the people who've taken care of me in my life, gave them all the... And I did songs that were meaningful to me along the way. I mean, I opened with Sammy Davis. I gotta be me. You know what I closed with? I did six songs. I had a funny song at the end. I had one prop, a hand mirror.

And I sang the Fifth Dimensions, Wedding Bell Blues. So good. Funny, right? That's awesome. It was awesome. You should have them on your show. They're still out there touring,

Billy and Maryland. What? Yes. They're great. I want Billy, Billy, Marilyn McCoo, and Billy Davis. Yes. That's who she's singing to.

Yeah. They're still touring. Get him on the show. Let's call them. Should we call them now? And that's a Bert Backwreck, Hal David's song. Yes. Should we call them now?

One less bell to answer. One less egg to... One less egg to fry. That's a Backwreck song, too? Totally. You sure's not a Jimmy Webb? Yeah, you're sure. No, I'm actually not.

No, I think it's backwards. I think it is. One less bell to answer. One less egg to fry. That doesn't sound like a Hal David Lierre. One less man to live. One less man to look up after. Oh, well, that sounds like hell, David.

You know what? I think we can all relate to that. Am I right, ladies? Wouldn't you love to have them on your show? Or not? I guess not. I mean, I don't know, but I mean, I love the records. Remember Stone's Soul Picnic?

Of course. You know who wrote that? Laura Niro, I think. That's probably, yes, I think you're right. So, yeah. Also wrote Streisand's Stony End. Yep. You're produced by Richard Perry?

Were you ever a session guy? I was. So I was watching some documentary. You know who's the session band at Shirley Bassie's recording of Goldfinger? It's English guys, I presume, right? Yes, you're getting warmer? English, Scottish? No, they're English, right?

I don't know. Led Zeppelin. You know, I kind of read that. Not all of them, though, right? No, but the main two guys. Yeah. Yeah, Robert and the bass player. Yeah.

Page and John Bottom. Yeah. Were the back. No, that's the drummer. They were the session. Yeah. So I love. I did sessions for about three or four years.

When I first came to L.A., I had a hit record, a band called Skylark, and we had a hit record called Wildflower. Wildflower. We were a one-hit wonder. Skylark. Skylark. One hit wonder.

It was a big top ten. It was also a Buick. It was also a song. But wasn't it? Yeah, it was a Buick. There was a Buick. Yeah. I'm not putting you down.

I'm just saying your name. The band is the name of a Beow. So the band broke up and I started doing, I played piano in the Rocky Horror Show when it was here in 1975. Wow. Do you remember the Rocky Horror Show? Of course. Yeah.

I've seen it. And for a year and two weeks, I was in the pit. eventually become the musical director. Then I met a great drummer named Jim Keltner. Oh, yes. Took me under his wing. George Harrison. Yeah.

Introduced me to George Harrison. I did George's records. I did, he just introduced me to everybody. And I did sessions for about three or four years, me and the guys from Toto and all these guys. I wanted to be a producer. And I looked at the other side of the glass, and I was like, God dang, I'm sure I can do that.

I know I can do that. And so one morning I woke up. I said, I'm going to do it. I'm going to stop doing sessions. Now, at that time, I was making over a hundredth hour a year as a studio player. All day, all night. Jingles in the morning, fifth dimension in the afternoon, Rod Stewart at night, whatever it was, making over 100 grand in the 70th.

I stopped it all. I produced three records, and all of them failed. I was like, God, dang, this is harder than it looks. I might as well go back to playing sessions because I had a baby and, you know, I needed the bread. And just when I was going to go back to sessions, I met Earth, Wind, and Fire. They took me in, started writing songs for them, with them,

and then Alice Cooper, and then Chicago, and then Chaka Khan, and it just like was a fucking plethora of things that happened to me. Where do you meet an entity like Earth, Wind, and Fire? Well, specifically, specifically I wrote... Can mean either one of them? Yeah, Earth or Wind. specifically

I had written a song called After the Love is Gone which ended up being a big hit Oh yeah After The Love is gone Right with Jay Graydon and Bill Champlin You wrote that Yeah my co-wrote with Bill and Jay

And we had a I had a really good girlfriend Girl friend named Carol Childs who said That song belongs with Earthwin and Fire I said do you know them She said yes I do I think she was dating Dylan at the time

She took the song to him He Maurice White who I loved was my mentor. I met with him at Sunset Sound. He said, I like that song. I want to record it. I said, when? He said, tonight. And we did. And then that end up, I ended up writing the whole album with him and the next album and became a real great thing for me. Did you ever see that documentary on the making of The We Are the World? Yes. I loved it. Were you involved?

No, not at all. No, because it was Quincy's show. Yeah. You didn't need two of you. He didn't need me, no. Right. No, but it was great, though, huh? I love, who was it, the left, the country scene? Yes. Whalen Jennings. Well, to put it into context about why he was racist, yes, Stevie Wonder suggested we may be singing the chorus in Swahili. Right.

And Whalen Jennings was, check. Check, please. It's true. But, you know, think about how far we've come. Like, yeah, I bet you in 1985 when that record was made, Most country artists were kind of racist. They're not now. They work, and they work together.

But they get slagged as though they are. They get slagged as though they are. Yeah. And, you know, the country just has changed a lot. It has. It's more rock. Country is totally pop music. And sometimes somebody like Brad Paisley,

he actually addresses racial issues. In his songs? In his song. Yeah. I mean, it's very impressive. Yeah. And also, they just work together. You know, there's collabs.

Yeah. Or isn't Shibuzi? Isn't he? Love him. Country? Yeah, he is. Yeah. You keep up with like the latest stars?

Yeah, pretty much. I have a Sarah, who you know, my daughter, Sarah. Yeah. She has a sister, many sisters. One of her sisters' name is Aaron. Yeah. And Aaron, who wrote the show, Nobody Wants This for Netflix, which is really good. Big hit.

Aaron is married to a guy named Simon Tickman. And Simon Tickman, along with his partner chief, manage Bailey Zimmerman, Florida Georgia Line, Dan and Shea, Josh Ross. They got tons of, so I'm sort of half-forced to keep up with the country music, and I love it. I do, too. I mean, I didn't, when I was younger, but when I was younger, it was all picking in and grinning. Right. You know, there was an occasional country-tinged song that got onto the radio on WABC and New York, my station.

Well, like the Eagles. Eagles were, you know, country tinged. Eagles were, yes, Eagles at the beginning were country tinged. You're quite a conundrum, you, musically. Oh, I still, I kept the great stuff from every decade. That's what I kept. And Harper Valley BDA is still an amusing record, and it's a great record. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the music.

There's nothing, I mean, when I was with Billy Joel, I mentioned MacArthur Park. We were talking about that. And immediately he just played it. Yeah. Like, and I know you could do the same thing. You should have a piano here, by the way. I have one in my house, but...

But I mean, for the broadcast. I could have backed you while you sang your... Sinatra Star. Well, maybe it's good we don't. But, like, he just started to play MacArthur Park, which I told him, I said, you know, if you Google it, it says, this may be the worst song ever. And I think it might be the best song ever.

You know the story, right? See, we have very similar taste. Richard Harris? Yes. Who had the hit with it right before Donna Summer. Of course. He said to Jimmy... Jimmy, apparently.

Jimmy Webb. Who wrote it? He said, if you write me a number one hit, I'll buy you a Rolls-Royce. The song, you know where it got to? You got to two. Really?

No Rolls-Royce. That's the Wives' Tale. I don't know if it's true or not, but... I could check because that's the era where I kept the survey, at least in New York, I could tell you what it was.

What? Well, I was just going to look up Billboard. I don't know. Do we care? No, we don't care. We care that it's a great song. Yeah. We care that we like the same kind of

music. Yeah. And I don't put anybody down who doesn't like the kind of music. Because I certainly remember my father thinking that... Who art in heaven. Who art in heaven. Who thought that the kind of music I liked was kind of whack. Because he grew up with big man.

Big man music. I still love Sinatra. Of course. I mean, but I like the later Sinatra. I don't like the 30s, 40s. You like the Live of the Sands. Sanra. And also in the 60s. Yeah. He had lots of hits.

He had pop hits. Pop hits. Bill, when you think about music since, let's just say, since the 40s. So when Sinatra came out, he was considered by parents to be horrible. Teenagers loved him. Parents hated him. Then the 50s come along. Elvis comes out, shaking his hips. Sinatra's good. Elvis is the devil, right? Right.

Then in the 60s the Beatles come out. Elvis is good. The Beatles are the devil with her dropping ass and all this shit. Then in the 70s, punk music comes out. Beatles are good. I mean, it's just this really, it's just like clockwork. Like you can just, you know, it's the evolution of music. And it's every generation the parents hated until the next thing came along.

It's all true. The other thing is true, too. Both things are true at the same time. One, yes, generations do reflexively. feel threatened by the next generation. And some of that is irrational. And also, sometimes what we feel threatened by is actually stupid, like retrying communism.

That's not just us being old. No, it's actually stupid. But it's so hard to convince anybody of that if they're 22 years old. You're just old. You're old white men. Yeah, but is it impossible that we also could be right? about that because we lived through it and we saw it and we know. Well, I have a question for you.

But music- Yes, we know about Venezuela. Yes, we know about Cuba. Yes, we know about North Korea. You know, all these places where it doesn't really work. Does communism or any part of it work in China? China has an interesting system. Are they more socialist or they-

They, well, Genzao Ping was the ruler who took over after Mao. And in 19, not directly, but in 1979, he was the ruler. And he said, his famous quote was, whether a mice, whether a mouse is white or black, it does not matter as long as it catches vermin. Or no, whether a cat is black or white. It does not matter if it catches a mouse. What he was saying was,

I don't care if we're, if you call as capitalist, I don't care if you call as communist. We're going to keep the communists. this dictatorship part. We're going to definitely keep the dictatorship part. We keep a lid on the people. But they're definitely a capitalist society. I mean, they have billionaires. And they have a very successful economy. They just have one where the government, at the snap of a finger, will step in and tell you what to do or put you in jail. Yeah, I mean, they are not a free country like this country. We are way freer than China. I mean, we do not want to become China.

No, I know this for a fact because when I did China, I did China's Got Talent for a couple of years. I did Asians Got Talent for five years. China's got talent for a couple of years. Like America's Got Talent only, obviously, in China. And in the audience was college kids. It was all college kids. And the people running the show, the people like in their 40s and 50s, they were all just like status quo. Everything is great.

But in the audience, you could feel these college, this was just like three or four years ago. you could feel the college kids going like we're not taking it. You could, it was palpable. This was what was a, was a, maybe like three or four years? It was not in Shanghai. It was in a, actually in, what's the province where the COVID came from? Wuhan? Yeah, Wuhan.

Wohon. Wuhan province. Cut that out, will you? No, that's too perfect. I got to do something with that, the Wuton virus. Wuton clang. Yeah. No, Wuhan. You were in Wuhan?

I think so, yeah. It was not... I love Shanghai. Shanghai is great. So you've been to China a lot? Many times. I've been to Asia probably 30 times. Wow. Because in Asia, I've been going there for 40 years, they think that the people that make the music are as important as the people that sing it. So when I go to Singapore or Malaysia or Thailand or any of these countries,

Jakarta, they think I'm as important as Celine or Whitney or not. They don't hear? No. I feel like now the producer is the one who, I feel like the people who took the brunt of the change in the music industry were the writers, and now it's the producer. But the average person, you could say that, but the average person doesn't know any names of any writers. No, they don't.

Right? I mean, look, I was having a discussion the other day with Canadians star Angelie, very dearest friend of mine, and, you know, she's one that you know. Angi? Anjali. She had worldwide hits. She's won the Juno in Canada. And now she tells me, AI is just taking over this industry. And people will put out a thousand versions of a song, AI, to see which one catches on. And people don't care. People don't care. You must be concerned about this. Well, I'm done. I retired 10 years ago. I retired. Really? Yeah. I tour. with my wife that's it i haven't written i haven't made a record in 10 years and you don't care 12 i don't care well you got out at the right time well i did the right time and uh

sidebarring i felt like i wanted to be like a good athlete you know i don't i don't want to say great because i don't want to call myself great but great athletes know when it's time to leave they may they maybe stick around just for one step too long you're right but they don't stick around to the end you're right you're right and i got out i didn't want to be sitting by the phone going. That's what Billy Joel did. Did he get out? He just tours. He doesn't write. He didn't even tour. He goes to... Nobody wants to hear a Billy Joel song. I do. No, you don't. Not a new one.

He put out a new one a couple of years ago. It was fantastic. He put... Okay, well, I think it fits very well with his catalog. Yeah, but it wasn't a hit because he's not going to have a hit. Nobody's going to have a hit at 75. Right. Well, just not. One person did. Who? Helton John. He's the only one. What was the hit?

With Dua Lipa. Yes, because it was with Dua Lipa. I don't care. Everybody else is welcome to do that too, but they didn't. Okay. He's the only one. Yes. And if I do a buddy cop movie with Timothy Shalamee, it'll be a hit too.

But it won't be because I'm in it. No. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm too old for this shit, Timothy. Anyway, I got out, I think. And maybe at the right time. Smart move.

The reason why I like the sound. of AI on records, on songs. You know, all the country writers use AI for their demos. You just, it's just madness how great they sound. The reason why is because in my record making, I always tried to be perfect. And I never achieved that, but in my mind, I was always trying to be absolutely perfect.

Fix every bass note, fix every drumbeat, fix every snare drum, fix every guitar, if there's a mistake, I'm gonna fix it. Because my theory was that you could let any one thing go and you'd still have a good record. But if you let everything go, you're going to have a shitty record, you're going to sound like the Stones. And I didn't want to sound like the Stones. Stones are great. They're great for, they're a party band. You know, it's not the kind of music that I want to make. I want perfection. That is such a snobby thing to say. And not even true.

There's such great production on so many of their records. For example, you know, you can't always get what you want. Yeah. They do this. It's guitar, bass, and drums. There's no production. You're ridiculous. Like at the very end of that record, they change the tempo. Great. Like the way Charlie Watts kicks in with this whole different kind of... It just, the way it just... And it's a great record.

Can I rephrase? Who cares how many instruments are on it? Can I rephrase? Sorry, it doesn't have a harp? Can I rephrase? Yes, Counselor. I want perfection. I always strove for perfection.

The Stones did not. They were a party man. They got into the studio, made great. records, but they didn't give a shit if there was mistakes on them. And I don't give a shit. Because again, I'm a young man in the 22nd row. I'm not you. I got it. That's who you have to, the Beatles used to like to listen to a thing on a shitty transistor radio because that's how the people were going to hear it. Okay, the stones, yes, they are more raw, which I also like sometimes. I like raw. But also, they're well produced

when they want to be. When they want to be well produced, they are very well produced. I mean, And those, they had so many 60s hits, like under my thumb and painted black. Well, satisfaction, of course. Iconic. Iconic, but lots of, and some ballads. But not too many layers of. Goodbye, Ruby Tuesday, remember that? Yeah, of course.

No, actually, Brian Jones, he used to be the one who put those like sounds on a record that we hadn't heard before. Really? Yeah, he was great at that. I mean, listen to some of those. But it was no Beach Boys. Dandelion? Well, Beach Falls were a harmony group, and they were great too. Yeah. But who do I have more of? Probably the stones.

And yet you answered Beatles when I said Beatles are stones. Yes, because the Beatles, first of all, they're much more varied. And their catalog is much more complete. Yeah, immense. Immense. And they did it all in nine years. Nine years from start to finish. I mean, do I have everything from their early years?

No. Some of them are just too basic. Love Me Do, which was the first one that charted. I don't need to hear that ever again. It's a pretty good song. It's not. They wrote it when they were 16. The lyrics are childish.

I mean, it has their energy which you can never replace. But is it a good song? Love, Love Me Do, I know I love you. I mean, please. Good enough me to remember. One of my 10. They have so many better ones. Why would I listen to that?

Why would I listen to that when I can listen I am the walrus. The evolution of the Beatles over nine years is just staggering. See, the stones didn't progress. The stones are a party band. The stones are for a good time. The Beatles are for a long time. I'm sticking to my story.

I know what you mean, but I think you're short-changing the Rolling Stones. I mean, I think they had some amazing records that are not just party records. And again, some ANG is a great ballad. mean dandelion is a great doubt. Let me try to rephrase one more time, okay? They would have hated me as a record producer because I would have been trying to make them

too perfect. We would have tried to sober them up. Yes, well, that too. Of course they would have hated you. Yeah. Because first of all, you'd ask them to show up on time. Who do you think is the greatest record producer of the last 10 years? Not sitting here?

Definitely not me. Because you weren't... I wasn't making record. I mean, I don't know, because I don't follow music that closely in the last 10 years. I'm going to give you the name, okay? Okay. Undisputed King, Max Martin. Never. Never.

What? What is he done? All the Backstreet Boys, all the NSYNC... I never... Don't know any of that. Don't know any of that. Katie Perry, Rihanna, Taylor Swift. He...

None of these artists... Ring your bell. Would I claim I know well? But what I've heard never made me want to listen to more. Wow. I mean, am I missing something with the Backstreet Boys and in sync? Pretty great records. Really?

I think so. If you say so, I'll try it. I think so. I will try it. You should look up Max Martin. He's incredible. I mean, when I think a record produces, I think of, of course, Phil Spector. Richard Perry.

Quincy Jones, Richard Perry. Right. My old friend, Richard Perry. Yeah. And maybe me. And you? And who else? Also, Giorgio Moroder in the 80s.

I'm sure there are... Who's the great rock producer? What do you mean? There was a great rock producer that... I can't think of his name. Well, Rick Rubin. For rock. Rick...

Easy boy. Have a drink. Yeah, I never really got on with him, but... Oh, you didn't get on with him? I mean, who cares? I mean, he's a weird guy. I don't really know him. You can arrive at greatness a bunch of different ways.

You can do it my way where I play everything and I'm in there like with my shirt sleeves up. Rick Rubin is in the category with Clive Davis because there are two guys who have no knowledge of music. They just know what they like. Well, Rick has a knowledge of music. No, he doesn't. He actually just, unless 60 minutes is lying

because they did the story on him and he said he doesn't play an instrument. There's no instruments. He just sits there and knows what he's like, what he likes. He hears it, and he's just the young man in the 22nd row. That would be me, and that's Clive Davis.

He's also not a musician, but sometimes that's an advantage to be just the fan. To have those ears? Yes, just the fan. I can't hear music that way. No, of course you can't, because you were born with the talent. Yeah.

Right. And that can be great, and it also can be divorcing you from the regular person. Yeah, I've always said that the only thing you need to be a great record producer is a great love of music. That's the only thing you need. It just so happens that I can get in. I can write for the orchestra. I can play the piano.

I can play the bass. I can program the drums. I can do all that. You don't need all that. You can hire people to do that if you have the brain to pull it all together. So let me just ask again about AI because, again, I mean, like, I know Angel Lee has put out like so many amazing records in the last few years. And it's like if you don't have a record label and you're not AI, it just seems like these AI records are lacking the kind of human connection

that we used to look for in music. For the whole reason why we were loving music is because it made us feel something as human. I thought Spotify had banned AI music. No? I don't know how they could ever ask. No, I think it's out there and people don't care. People don't care.

Look, I have an AI record. Elvis. They made an AI record of Elvis called Poor Man's Gold. Yeah, how is it? Good. Yeah. Enjoyable. It's perfect.

It's perfect. I'm a huge Elvis fan. Yeah. And very much like Sinatra, not the early stuff. But the later stuff when he was at. a mature guy and like from you know the suspicious minds that era yeah he did great stuff 70s yeah that's when he did any day now yeah um and it sounds like a record he would have made and didn't or maybe he recorded maybe it's using a demo i'm not sure but it's definitely not him

well i'll tell you something that might surprise you you ready you need to sit up for this no um eight tenths of all the records that I made, I made by myself with no humans. Just me playing the bass, me programming the drums, me playing the string, or somebody else programming for me, me playing the strings, synth strings, all synthesized it. That's how Prince did. I mean, that's the precursor to AI.

That's how Prince did it. Yeah. But would you argue that, like, Unbreak my heart that I did for Tony Braxton. Does that sound like it had no heart? No. No, no. All computers. But it still.

you. It's still one human. It's still one person. It's a human. Yeah, you're right. I'm not saying you have to have a whole bunch of humans. Yeah, good point. McCartney won. Nobody else on that record. 1970. Yeah? Is that after wings? No, it's the first record after the Beatles. Okay. That was the one. You mean Ram? Ram was the first record? No, no, no, that's the second one. The first one was McCartney. Got it. What was the hit on it? Or was there maybe I'm amazed. He played the piano, yeah. He played everything. He was living in a farm in Scotland and drinking too much.

But he's playing real instruments versus since. Yes. McCartney 2, 1980. Nobody else on it. Ram? No. You're obsessed with Ram. Ram is the second McCartney's solo album.

Well, you said McCartney won and McCartney 2. McCartney 1 is 1970, first album after the Beatles. That's Maybe I'm amazed. McCartney 2 is when he did in 1980, and that has nobody else on it but him either. Was there a hit on that record? Press. Don't know that.

By the way, do you think anybody gives a shit about anything we've talked about today? Do I give a shit? No, do you think anybody else does? You know what? This show has its own fan base. Like, was it dull? No. If it's people who only have to hear about things they already know about,

I've already lost them. That's not who I'm working toward, you know. I thought it was fascinating. Me too. I loved it. How many drinks did you have? Just one. No, that's not true. Okay, two.

No, that's not true either. Okay, two and a half. No, that's not true either. No, it was two and a half. Was it really? Yeah, really. But they're a lot. I mean, I'm still, you gave me this.

I feel this. That's why I use this, because I don't want to have more than I've learned that. Because we're not young. No, no. And we can't drink like we used to. I mean, you're a young father, right? Five-year-old, yeah. five-year-old.

Five-year-old. And it's the greatest. Yeah. I have kids in my 40s. I say that every day. If I only could have kids, I'd be so happy. Is that? No, you don't say that.

You don't say that. But you must think of them when these kind of issues we're talking about coming up, come up. Of course. Like what is the world going to be like with AI in 20 years? Is it, are you on the page of like, well, people have always said it's going to be ridiculous in the future, and then it wasn't because the things just change, or are you on the page of, no, this is really dangerous? Well, I can only go by my musical bubble. And just in the music industry, every 10 or 15 years ago, every 10 or 15 years, we hear

the trouble's coming. Right. And it's the end of the music business, you know, from, you know, the 33 and a third to the cassette. Oh, cassettes are going to fucking ruin the business. And then it was the CD, and then it was the dad. A-track. Yeah, A-track. And then it was television.

It was MTV. Same thing with movies. None of it ruined it, right? No. None of it ruined it. I can't imagine AI will. Especially, well, but I'm more worried about it ruining our lives in more fundamental ways, you know. But am I going to let it upset my life now?

No. I don't have any sympathy or, I should I say, patience for people who are so desperate about, oh my God, Bill, what are we going to do? Trump is president. Yeah, I agree. He's not the kind of president I voted for. But, you know, how's your life? Let's not pretend your life is terrible either. Let's find a middle ground between reality and, yes, we should be alarmed about a lot of the things that are happening. But somehow, a lot of them didn't. And, man, we have good lives in America. I mean, yes, are there are problems. There are. We're very lucky in the kind of lives we live. Yeah.

But... We have a champagne life, let's be honest. We do. Yeah. You know what I've found about you in the last hour and whatever I was ever... Yeah. You're not nearly as cynical as I thought you would be.

I'm not cynical at all. No. No. I don't even know where I got that impression from because you're not. What I said about McCall's Navy. Who was the other guy? Ernest and Tim.

Who was the third guy with the... Oh. The blonde. Kangap... Oh, that was... Darren McGravin? No. No. That was the love boat.

No, that's Gavin McLeod. No, you're thinking of Gruber. No, not Gruber. That's Mayberry. No, no, no, no. Gruber was like the Scheister and the Enson? But he wasn't the main part. The other guy, the guy who was brilliant, was Joe Flynn as captain. Joe Flynn is the captain. Captain Minghamton.

With the glasses. Yes. Yeah. And Carpenter, the askisser. Yeah, oh yeah. It was just, I don't take back that. Do you ever watch Me Too TV? Me Too TV.

I think it's called Me Too TV. It reruns all those shows. What a name? From the love boat and Gilligan's Island. Me Too? Like the name. Or Me TV. Me TV.

It's called Me TV. Anyway, I've kept you long enough. I couldn't tell you how much I enjoyed this. Thank you so much, Bill. Yeah, yeah. Honestly. This is not the last time I see you. Either night, I meant to talk about my wife and my kids more.

Talk about her. No, but we'll do it. No, next time. I mean, Kat, as you know, is amazing. Amazing. All my daughters are amazing. Allison, Amy, Sarah, Aaron, and Jordan. And the thing that I would say, you're not a father, so forgive me for pulling you into this conversation. But I've talked to so many parents about this. The goal is to you. get your kids off the payroll. That's the goal. And all mine are. Off the poll? Off the payroll.

I thought, I thought you said off the pole. Well, that's... I mean, that is definitely what you want to do. Yeah, no, I mean, and you've touched on some of my kids and what they're doing, and they're all off the payroll, and it's really a great feeling. But you have... You have famous kids, right? Aren't your kids that the model...

Oh, well, that's stepkids, yes. D.G. and Bella. They did well. And Brandon and Brody Jenner. And Brady, I mean, yes. It's amazing the way you sort of transverse so many different cultures. You know, there's the serious music culture, and then there's the pop culture. Yeah.

And, you know, I think you were married to Carrie Fisher. No, that's not right, but somebody. You're thinking of the Elvis Girl into Thompson. Elvis Girl. Oh, look at that. That's a whole show sometime. Later. She was hot.

Miss Tennessee. Was she not? when Elvis met her? Well, it was so perfect. I guess. Elvis and Miss Tennessee? Perfect. Yeah.

I had to hear about it the whole marriage. Every, every, you know, come January 10th or 11th, I'd come downstairs and there'd be a whole fucking TV crew of my living. It was like, there she'd be able. The date is January 8th. Or whatever. January. January 8th is Elvis's birthday. I get these people out of my house.

January 8th, 1935 to August 16th, 1977. That's Elvis's life. Got it. Get it right. Okay. Don't let your bitterness get in the way of life. Because Elvis, I mean, people wonder why I love Elvis so much. Yeah, I wonder, too. It's just seriously? Yeah.

I mean, I kind of get it now that he was pretty great, but you didn't. Yeah. Well, first of all, just the voice. I mean, I love the voice as much as any voice ever. I love Stricent. I mean, I love Linda Ronstad. I love Natalie Mains. I mean, there's some amazing Celine Dion,

some amazing voices. I just love the John Lennon when he's like, you know, twist and shout. Did you love Whitney? Yes, but the record's not as much as others. I like them, but, you know, I mean, you're a big one. You know, I will always love you. How about Natalie Cole?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Natalie Cole. You did Hearst. You did. Well, I did The Unforgetable. Unforgetable, huge hit. Which was a great turnaround in her career.

But Elvis, I mean, that period from when he returned from the movies, and he did Suspicious Minds, and he did from Memphis to Vegas, and all the songs on there, and one of the songs I sang at my birthday party, people don't know it, called How the Web Was Woken. You should look it up. It's a lot of great songs on that album. He's felt, he's in the jumpsuit now, but he's not fat yet,

and he's singing songs like Suspicious Minds. Daddy's Girl, was that song in there? Don't Cry Daddy. Don't Cry Daddy. Which I did with him and his daughter. Yes, great singles Don't Cry Daddy in the ghetto. The ghetto is a great song. Written by?

Mac Davis? Yes, sir. Man, I'm impressed. Wow. But Elvis, I mean, the hits that came out of that era, The Wonder of You, is that a terrible song? Who's that? Him.

Is that Elvis? I don't know that song. You don't have to say you love me? He did my way, too, right? Cover. Yeah, but that was later. That was fat over. That wasn't. Right?

Yeah. But, I mean, he put out so many great records in that era. I could turn you onto some of them, and I'd love to. Okay, great. How about that? That would be awesome. Okay. And I'll finish up by saying thanks to my wife, Kat, who is a great singer, who came here to support me, along with Kim.

And it was really nice, because it's a long fucking way away from my house. All right. It is? I'm sorry. All right. Thanks, Bill. I'll come. I'll meet you halfway next time. Okay.

All right. Do I'm going to sit here and you walk out like the king of you are? No, no, no. We're going to take a picture. Oh, we are? This is podcasting. There's no rules. How are you going to take a picture?

There's nobody in this room. Somebody will come out.