Club Random with Bill Maher - Dr. Debra Soh | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

Bill Maher welcomes sex neuroscientist and author Debra Soh to tackle a blunt question: what broke modern intimacy—and can it be fixed? Drawing from her book Extinction: The Decline of Sex and the Future of Intimacy, Soh breaks down the forces quietly reshaping connection: early exposure to extreme porn, AI companions and sex robots, swipe-driven dating culture, and why some wear it like a badge of honor. The conversation moves from unrealistic dating standards (yes, the “6-6-6 rule”) to the widening divide between men and women fueled by social media. They also push into tougher territory: gender ideology, youth transition, and why many Western countries are hitting pause while parts of the U.S. accelerate. Support our Advertisers: Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/RANDOM #rulapod #ad Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Does that happen in your social life? Oh yeah, yeah. Really? Are there men who, like, won't go near you? Club, Brenda. Because you won't go, the same thing they say with me, and I'm not. Because I'm saying that girl should be cutting off the breasts. Yeah, just, right, just because...

Club random. Deborah. Bill. Hi. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness about this place. How you doing? It's nice to see you.

You remember being on real time? Oh, I remember. You say it's like, was it bad? No, I loved it. It's just memorable? One of my favorite memories. Your hair got darker. Yeah, my hair got darker.

I'm not a natural blonde, actually. You what? I'm not a natural blonde. Okay. How dare you, but yeah. Well, sit back, enjoy yourself. I'm excited to be here. Oh, good.

I'm thrilled to have you. Did you, by the way, see the sex doll in the bathtub? I did. The Whitney Cummings sex doll. Yeah, I was telling you a team. I love it. Because you're the first sex neuroscientist we've had on the show. The first one I've ever heard of in life.

I mean, it's right on the cover of your book, Sex Neuroscientist. That's quite a title. Yeah, and thank you for having me. Thank you for reading the book. Oh, yes. It's very, very topical. I mean, there's certainly a lot of wrong things going out in the world. So I don't know if people think it's indulgent to put sex right at the top of the list,

but it could be. I mean, the kids aren't fucking. I did the last real time with our comedy bit in the middle was about spring break. And, you know, I keep reading these articles. You know, I said they're like the pandas. We can't get Ling Ling and Chu Chow. to fuck. I never thought I'd be reading these headlines

about kids aren't fucking. Yeah. But I guess that's what you're, I mean, that's really the whole thrust of your, no, pun intended, of your book is, you know, what's, why aren't people fucking like they used to? The wild thing too is not just are people

not having sex, but they take pride in it. And they're saying, like women are saying, we don't need men, we're fine on our own. And men are saying, the sex robots are coming, we have our AI girlfriends, so we don't need women either. And so they're actually taking this like a point of pride instead of saying there's something really wrong going on here and we need to fix this problem. Right. I mean, there is, yeah, you're right.

I mean, there were certainly always times when people didn't fuck for whatever reason. I mean, if you had met me in high school or college, you'd have met, you know, I was, I was not an, well, I guess I was what they would call an insult now because insult stands for involuntarily celibate. It certainly was involuntary on my part. I didn't want to be celibate. But I, but I certainly maybe at the time, not so much, but I think even then, certainly not that much later understood that the reason why I wasn't getting laid was me.

I didn't, today it seems like what goes on is this hostility that I'm not getting laid because you're a bitch. Yeah. Or I'm not getting laid because you're a fucking loser. And that kind of hostility about it is it, I think is a new dimension. Maybe you know the history.

I'm sure you do better than I. I think social media is a big part of it, but what's really good about, say, your situation is that you recognize if there's something about you or maybe that you wanted to work on things to attract the types of partners that you wanted to have. I mean, well, look at you now, right? I'm sure you have no issues at all.

Whereas you look at the younger generation in particular, or I would say the men, when you come to the table with that type of animosity, women are definitely not going to want to be sleeping with you. And again, with women, if you're coming in, and both sexes are blaming each other, that's not going to make people want to have sexes,

you have a relationship with you, and then it's also not going to make you have the insight to say, what am I doing wrong here? Instead, you're just going to keep doing the same thing. And then with social media feeding you, this constant stream of content that is further polarizing the sexes. This is why I think it's gotten to the point where it is so bad.

Then you have these replacements, like you're mentioning the sex robots, sex dolls, the AI companions, pornography, and then women are doing so well in society economically that they're saying, oh, I don't need a man either. I can just work and buy my own things. I think, you know, that's great the women are doing so well. But another thing I talk about in the book is this issue with hypergamy and how that clashes with diversity. Diversity initiatives.

Hypergamy? Yeah. It's that women tend to live. like to marry up. Oh, hypergamy. Yeah, I don't remember that word. That's funny when you, they say when you don't know a word, you go past it. Once you learn it, then you see it like 10 times in the next week. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're going to be hearing it all the time now. Hypergamy, that's a great word. So marrying up. Well, yes, I mean, how can you marry up with this? I mean, look, I completely understand women's complaints.

about men today. I mean, I hear the complaints from women I know. You know, I mean, if someone says to me, what's your secret with women? My answer is, other men. It's not hard to look better. I mean, these kids, they couldn't find the clit with an app and they need one.

I did a thing on this show. You did a YouTube tutorial. I did a TED talk, not a real one. It was a, you know, a bit we did. But I dressed, you know, just like they do with the sneakers. and it was really funny and, you know, what if I told you? Because that's how they always start.

What if I told you that you could get laid? And then I was just instructing the younger men game. They don't have game. They don't know, they even know what it is. I don't know if they even aspire to it, you know, but just basic things. Don't wear shorts, right? You know, like. Iron your shirt.

A collar. Yeah. You know, trim the hair in your nose, just like basic, you know, it's such a basic thing. The basic things that they don't seem to think they need to do. They think they can be this slovenly person and that that, I don't know what is. What's that term when guys like purposely kind of are mean to girls? Oh, nagging. What is it?

Negging. It's when they insult a woman with the belief this is like red pill ideas where the men think that if they insult women, that the women are going to like them more. Well, I don't know where they got that word, but I'm not going here. Okay. I know the world I live in, Deborah. Okay, I can say it for you. Every time you have to say it, you just point at me. It's not even bad, but I've seen people go after worse or better or whatever.

I have no after shit. I don't need trouble. I got Trump up my eyes again this week. I don't need more beef. I was going to say part of that I do believe is porn in the fact that Gen Z in particular, so Gen Z is roughly age 31 and younger, 31 to 13. They were exposed to porn at such a young age.

And everything they know about sex is from watching online pornography, which is very different today from, say, you know, back in the day in magazines or even online porn that is not so extreme like what we see today. And so when you have that, and that is how you learn about women, say, or some women are learning about, or girls are learning about boys that way. So they think, well, I can have an orgasm. I don't have to go through the process of talking to someone approaching strangers, especially post-Me2. They don't have to, like you said, you know, trim their nose hair or look decent or have

social skills and it's a very you know it could be a replacement for sex and that you're still getting that gratification trust me no one knows better than i do from my formative years when i was too shy and and lame to get with a girl it is a substitute for sex it thank god it exists masturbation or else i would have just exploded i mean during my most horny years that's all i was doing was masturbating the whole time at Cornell. Cornell was a terrible place. Would you go to, would you be like looking at it in class? Or I'm just kidding.

No, that's what boys are doing today, though. I barely had it to look at. I don't even remember getting, I didn't think I had playboys. I mean, that's what we had back there, playboys. But I didn't, I don't, I don't, no, no, I wasn't, I didn't, I didn't have the money to go to the newsstand, which didn't exist, as I recall, and by, a playboy in Ethica, New York? No, I think I was doing it from just what I saw around me.

You know, you didn't need a lot. You know, Dickard, get hard at the wind blew. So. You get like a catalog, even, like a PG catalog. I've heard men in the past would do that, you know, because it wasn't, like, so easily accessible now. Look, I wouldn't be a perfect here. Please use me as a case study,

because I can take you all the way from the late 60s when that's all we had was play. Boys and Playboys barely showed, I mean, they were starting to show, I mean, certainly in the 50s, that's before my time or early 60s, very often they would just show a girl kind of from the side. I mean, we show more now in perfume ads. Yeah. But by the time I was looking at it, like maybe I was 12 in 1968, okay, they had, but no pubic

yet. Half went through this in the early 70s. he was going he had to make this decision he was you know it was mostly advertiser driven it's a magazine in the 70s he was going to lose the american car accounts ford and chrysler were not going to advertise the skylark in a place that showed pubicare there are just some things american industry will not stand for standards uh standards uh but eventually he had to give in because he was being challenged by penthouse, which had no qualms about that. But I would go back to, you know, when I was first looking at it, it was just once somebody stole,

a neighbor kid stole from their father, and we looked it in the woods, and we buried it. Really like fucking badgers or something, we buried, then we'd dig them up and be all wet from the rain. But we would see, and the little list thing that we saw, and that's to, all the way to now, which, you know, like any normal red-blooded American male, I look at Pornhub. But even that's fairly recent in my life,

I stuck with the magazines a lot longer than most people. Because I was kind of afraid, like if I go on this porn hub thing, will they know, is there a cookie in there? Can they come and say I, and then, of course, I gave in. But that's really within the last 10 years. maybe even five years. But I see what's on there, and it is astounding to me, some of it.

But I know this whole history. So you can ask away anything, I'll tell you the difference between now and then. Yeah, well, I should say, because when I was on your show last time, I was a calmist for Playboy.com, and it was one of my first regular columns. And I will always be grateful to Playboy for the opportunity

because, you know, I was just starting out, My views about pornography were very different back then. And I still think to some extent for someone who grew up pre-internet porn, probably not as affected by it as, say, these younger kids now who they are looking at it. I've heard cases of kids at age four seeing this. Usually it's by accident. They come across it. The minute they get a smartphone, they can see it. Right.

And so even before their first sexual experience, before they even have really crushes or their first kiss, they're seeing this. And it's terrifying for many children. But they think this is what sex is. They know it's taboo. They have a vague idea of what it is. And so then kids are learning from it what they're supposed to do during sex, how they should treat the opposite sex.

It's also leading to young kids having all these cosmetic procedures to make their bodies look more like porn stars. But I'm curious for you, the first time you started, I'm sure you've seen more of the extreme stuff. And what is... I haven't. Oh, no.

I don't think. I think there's much more extreme stuff. I mean, certainly anything German. And I've never gone there. I mean, and again, I think this is because I started at such an innocent place. I mean, you mentioned Playboy in the same breath as pornography. I guess, yes, technically it is, and certainly in its day, it was the tip of the spear. But it's the term of pornography.

But now it's, I mean, please, it's just the tamest thing. It was just the girl next door. And, you know. And she's happy. She looks like she's happy. She's enjoying it. And there was no men in the picture. I mean, I certainly even remember from the magazine era of the 90s.

We're going back 30 years, and you could go to the newsstand. Certainly when I lived in New York, there was still newsstands in the mid-90s when I started doing politically incorrect, and I lived in New York for a few years. And the newsstand was, there was like dozens and dozens of porn magazines. I remember going to Larry Flint's office, and he had on his dad. desk, like all the, he had many publications beside Hustler, and they were all like laid out on his desk very neatly. And there had to be 30 different brands, you know, jugs and gentry and shaved Asian and, you know, motorcycle goes, every sort of niche thing had its own, yeah, had its own

magazine. And so like, you could go to the newsstand almost every night and buy another stroke book, you know and but it was and even then in the 90s they started to put dixon ads i think they just had a photographer on the set of porn movies and they got the stills and that became but i mean it was you know but it was still a picture you know and and and it you could only get so um disgusting or rapy or um you know abuse but the videos. I mean, I've said it for years as someone who is a known libertine.

I don't think porn is benign at all. I mean, I am totally with you on this because I see, and again, I don't think I've gone near the frontier of it. My stuff is very vanilla. But first of all, I see what's, and I guess it must be like anything at algorithm when they feed you what you like.

And they know what I love. I like, I just like hot chicks. You know, I don't want to see them abused. In fact, I don't want to see the guy in it at all. Very often it's just a girl acting sexy for the first five minutes. And then the guy comes in. Once he comes in, I'm out. Like, you know, I don't need the guy in that.

No penises for Bill. I'm the guy. Who is this guy with my girl? Honey, I thought we had something going. And then this guy walks in the room? You know, it's ridiculous. I've heard you ask aloud in another episode why guys are into women abusing them. And we can talk about that too in terms of like women putting on high heels and stepping on them or why men like having penis humiliation.

You're talking about dominatrix? Yeah. Well, I certainly can't relate. It's sexual masochism. So as people who like being humiliated, yeah. No, I mean, there's things about being 70 that aren't. aren't great, but you know, one of the greatest things is, we're not fucking nuts.

You know, we really aren't. We grew up at a great time. We're lucky. My head is screwed on straight. Good things make me happy. Bad things make me sad. Yeah. That's it.

You don't want to strangle women in during sad. I used to do a whole bit about that. Like even in my fantasies, I'm not doing anything weird. Even in my fantasies, I don't want to do all these things that people do. Yeah. It's just basic shit because again, that's how I was raised or that's where I, you know, I feel like I had a fairly healthy, frustrating adolescents, but fairly healthy.

I think where people go wrong is they get too jaded and that's when you have to go to the high heel in your neck because you did everything else by the time you were 14 or something, you know? Or usually those men have, we'll say, difficult relationship with their mother. So if their mother was, say, abusive or something, that's what they, eroticize that type of behavior. Let's leave my mother out. And I did.

I had a wonderful. Another thing I'm lucky about it. You know, normal parents, normal, you know. It was, I had a very leave it to Bieber upbringing as lots of people did in my era where, you know, there was

not even any divorce. People didn't get divorced. People, families stayed together. I'm sure there was stuff going on like abusing, you know, children that was just so covered up that it just was not talked about. So it wasn't in my head. It certainly wasn't put in my head. You might be in the wrong body.

Now, I'm sure there are some very few, but some kids who are, quote, unquote, in the wrong body. And it's also not fair that in that era, they had nowhere to turn to say, you know, I really don't feel like a girl. I don't. I want to grow a mustache. But in general, I feel, I think you agree with me. We've gone way too far. Way past way too far.

Right. Way past way too far. In constantly putting it into kids' heads. Again, what I would teach kids is there is a default setting for humans. But if you're not in that default setting, That doesn't make you bad or worse, but there is a default setting. That's not what we teach. No.

It's not in California anymore. No, no. But I would also say for those kids, you know, that even if it's okay to feel differently, like if you're a girl and it's more like a conboy or if you're a boy and you're more feminine, that's totally fine. So that was my first book, The End of Gender. Right. That's what you were on for, The End of Gender, right? And I remember you were interviewed by New York Times Magazine after I was on and they were asking you about me and you defended me.

So I really appreciated that. Really? Yeah. They were going after you? You didn't throw me under the bus. No, I wouldn't. Why were they going after you? Because there was, on the show, I said that some parents are letting kids transition

because it's the easier thing because these are homophobic parents. Which I said the same thing. It's part of this is social contagion. Obviously, it's not even controversial that they can't even admit that. Yes, part of it is I could admit that it's a real thing. Not that you have to make me admit it. It's just, that's just life. It goes back to ancient times.

They called them Heraphradites or, you know, there's variation. Not everything is the default setting. Just most stuff. You know, and some stuff like pregnant men just belongs in Ripley's, believe it or not, you know. It's just like, if you saw that in Ripley's. Because they're biologically women, so it's not even really like a thing. It's just like this is a woman who's taking testosterone, but they turn it into a thing. Yes.

Oh, and if you dare to say that there's, any difference at all. Yeah. Between a biological woman and a trans woman, you are an evil person, you're a racist, even though race has nothing to do with it, you're a bigot. That's why they should be allowed in our locker rooms and our bathrooms. Should not.

I'm kidding. Yeah, no. Yeah. Right. I mean, you know, it is amazing to me the way the far left morons just work their way back to positions that are actually hurting the people they pretend that they're

championing. Women. Used to be one of their big causes. Title IX was one of their big achievements. And that it was like, Title IX, women should have an equal thing in sports and we're going to throw the man in the pool. It's just, they just

are thinking, at least out here, not what their big thing is. I'm glad to see it being turned around though, I do think like the most unhinged of the trans activists are going to continue doing their thing till the end of time. I think no matter how much the public is saying, we're done, you guys need to stop this. They're going to keep going because they're so personally invested. And I think they also have a lot of shame about their own transition or their own, because from very many of them, it's a sexual thing. So their desire to transition to female if they're born

male is because they find it erotic to have a woman's body or the idea of having women's body. And they have a lot. They feel a lot of guilt and shame around that. So that's why they're pushing this on the public to say, you all have to affirm me, quote, affirm me as a woman to make me feel more legitimate about my own feelings. And this is why they're putting it on the kids. And I think also for many parents who have transitioned their children, they need everybody to go along with it because they want their child to have the best possible life. So I feel for these kids, obviously they're being misled and it's not their fault, especially with social media, that's another part of it. But I mean, just come on guys. That's what I think bugs me the most about it.

And you're talking to someone who's never had kids and doesn't even like them. So why I'm deputized to be the one to defend them just shows how far off this has gotten the trail. You were one of the first liberals to like have the guts to call it out. Absolutely. Because I love the truth.

And I don't believe me, I welcome their hatred, the people who are just out there. I mean, first of all, they all left a long time ago. But to use children, as cannon fodder in this culture war. That to me is a little low. Even the mafia doesn't bring in the family. Yeah, there are boundaries there.

There should be some boundaries. And that's absolutely what they did. They brought in the kids and said, if you don't agree with this, this very sudden, very sudden reversal of what we've always believed. Now, maybe some things, it's true, some things we've always believed are wrong, but to be suddenly just a sudden,

planting your flag down here in a place to the left of where every other country is, including the liberal ones that we look up to as liberal, including to the left of them, far left, as far as transitioning kids, by their own diagnosis at any age. Yeah, without telling the parents. Without telling the parents. This is far out stuff. And to sort of plant your flag and say, like, yes, this is extremely new and extremely radical. And also, if you don't go along, you're crazy and wrong. And it's like, wait a second, this is new stuff. I'm not crazy or wrong to say, slow down. And that's what every other country did. They just said, whoa, you know what? This might not look good in the future. Maybe we should slow it down a little bit. Yeah. Well, I also mean the fact

that parents don't get to say they're transitioning to the kids, even if the parents do find out, they will take the kids away and put them in sanctuary states if they want to leave, right? That to me is the most terrifying thing. If you have a child and you don't even get to have the final say in terms of the medical interventions they're undergoing. So I'm hoping all that stuff is finally going to be done with. Well, I'm glad I didn't throw you under the bus. I wasn't expecting you to. You will find none of my friends under that bus.

A couple of my enemies, maybe, but no. But I like, you know, I know you'll call me out too. If you think I'm wrong about something, because I've seen you do this with other people. people, I respect that. I do. I will. I mean, you cannot bribe me and you cannot incentivize me. You know, Trump. I mean, you know, I was his most virulent critic, had dinner with him, told everybody that, you know, he's very different in person, and he's not as crazy as he seems, but kept right on criticizing where I thought, and then he got mad at me again, and now he's pulled others tough, but I still supported the idea of going into Iran.

Not that we want to get into that, but just to the point of, like, you cannot bribe me or incentivize me while he was attacking me. I was saying, no, I'm one of the few liberals who thinks, yeah, we needed to do this with Iran. And this is with every subject. And it's very, very liberating. It's so liberating not to have to check what your opinion is, supposed to be. And I'm, you know, are you still getting shit from left for some of your views? Does this book get shit? Yeah. So let's let's tell the people like I'm good proper host with fucking

stoners who work here. I don't know who they are. But sex, a great title, sex tinction. Yeah, extinction of sex, the decline of sex and the future of intimacy. Deborah Selle. Okay. So I did my Good job very well, I feel. You did. And it is a great book. Thank you. Very interesting on every page. Not too scholarly, but scholarly enough.

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I mean, and I don't follow people for that. The only reason I understand the studies is because I've, you know, I went to school for it. But other people, you know, people have jobs. They're trying to pay their rent and take care of their families. So I figure if I can give you as much information as possible and make it as easy as possible to understand and apply it in your own life, I just have all the citations, have over 400 citations in the book, too, so people can look things have. It must have been way ahead always through school. You must have been that, no offense, that Asian kid who, like, the white kids were cheating off of. It looks like, you know, on the 11th grade level when you were in sixth grade. It's so funny, because I ran it to one of my friends.

Do you play the violin? No, piano, though, I do. See, it's always one or the other. Not a physician, though. I'm neuroscientist, so we were close. But one of my childhood friends, I ran into him, actually, at a gay bar, like years, then in my 20s. And he said, you know, I remember the most about you is when you used to hand.

I signed a copy for you, and I can show you. My handwriting now, I write, like, a serial. The letters, they're all, like, all over the place. It looks like when people cut up, you know, they give a Moran's letter. Yeah, he said, your handwriting was so impeccable, and you would always write in the margins. So, but like with my first book, you know, I wanted that to be a guide for parents in terms of how to protect your kids from this ideology that's basically going to try and take them from you. And what this book was very much with the goal of helping parents anticipate what is coming down the line in terms of not just social media and screens, which we're seeing how devastating that's been for children, especially in adults, but then also these other technologies and these other social changes that are happening.

because I don't think, one, I don't want to see society go through the same thing that we've gone through with social media, which is that it seemed benign at first. But now, I think it's done so much damage. And I think there are obviously some positives to social media and the internet, and it's allowed us to be connected in some ways. But I really think it's done a lot of damaging things to mental health, to the relations between men and women, like with the sex recession. It's affecting everybody, whether you're single or married, doesn't matter what age you are. if you're in the West or in the East or any developed country. And then also I wanted anyone, regardless of whether they're married or single, to be able to take something away from the book as well.

So I wrote it from that perspective of I think this is something that's going to affect everybody. Even if you don't want to date and you are perfectly happy with your sexlessness, there are still other things going on beneath the surface that are going to affect people. And hormonally, too, because I know you're a big health freak like I am, and things like endocrine disruptors and toxins. I mean, drinking and smoking pot, so I mean, freak is a little. But you said you were in a gay bar. Yeah.

Is that where you hang out? Are you gay? No, I'm not gay. When I was younger, all my friends were gay men. I used to work in the makeup industry. That's all my friends were gay men. But no, I'm straight. Okay.

Yeah, I don't understand the masturbation thing with the boys because, like, yes, it was always a great backup plan. but I never didn't understand to this very day that sex is better. It seems like that's a big change also, that they've transitioned to this moment where it's not the backup plan, it's the plan. Yeah. And maybe that's because they, if you've never had sex, maybe you don't know that it's better.

And I mean, where does that line lead to on the historical chart? Well, I think we'll start with where it comes from. I think, again, like the early exposure to pornography, but then also Gen Z in particular has such a high rate of anxiety. So basically, like all of Gen Z has an anxiety disorder. Over half of Gen Z has a mental health diagnosis, and of them 90% have anxiety. So if you are super self-conscious, you don't have a lot of confidence, especially if what you're seeing online or in real life,

your experiences with the opposite sex aren't positive. And especially for boys, they're terrified of being me-toed, having their lives destroyed if they approach the wrong woman or having a woman get really angry and disgusted with you. And just to make you feel badly about having the guts to go and talk to someone, they're going to say, okay, well, why am I going to bother doing this? And then you also have these male influencers who are having their moments saying,

oh, don't, you know, feminism is terrible. I do think feminism has gone too far in some ways, but of course women are equal to men. But they're saying, like, you know, women don't deserve any equal rights or whatever. Like, you just have a harem of these ladies and they should send it home and serve you. So these boys.

That type, yeah. They're a bunch of them. What do they call it? Manosphere? Yeah. Right. Okay. But, I mean, so they're putting out

the idea that guys should have a harrow? Because it's not easy to get a harrow. What's funny, what's funny, too, is that they, it's not funny, actually, but they draw on evolutionary psychology and biology to justify their ideas. Like, so basically, like men, like lots of sex with lots of women, so they should be able to sleep with as many women as they want, whereas women, their chastity, their sexual chastity is the most important thing. So women, you know, you as a man can sleep with as many women as you want, but your woman

needs to be a virgin and you know she just needs to pop out babies for you um and so that i think is adding also to this dynamic because if you have young boys who are taking this internalizing this ideology and say they don't have a father or a strong male role model in their life they think this is what healthy masculinity is and if you have feminism and the education system telling them that men are toxic and men are bad and they said well i'm a boy i don't want to be bad so i'm going to listen to anyone who's telling me that masculinity is good even if it is such an extreme interpretation of it. And so then what you see is when they are dating, they're going to treat their female partners a certain way the women are going to say that I don't like this, right? And

understandably, I think feminism has done something to young women too, which has made them hate men. So in terms of the feedback to sex extinction, I was not expecting this at all because trans activists are a whole other level of lunacy. I was not expecting that type of backlash from both men and women. So I feel like I did a pretty fair job in terms of calling out both sexes and saying when they're being ridiculous in the book and saying, you know, you guys are taking this too far or you're going this too far in this direction? You're always doing the right thing

when you're getting it from both sides. And that goes for sex too. No, I'm joking. Well, I mean, that is one thing apropos of this discussion that I think cannot be emphasized enough and maybe cannot be understood ever by a woman just the way we can't understand you fully.

But the difference between how much we are okay with many partners. And that is just not what your biology leads you to. And that, I mean, that is, I guess, the danger of pornography. Now, maybe if I say, look me in the eye and tell me, is it unhealthy for me to look at pornography at all, even though what I look at is fairly benign, fairly vanilla, it is still the idea that there is, you know,

this inexhaustible supply of, attractive women, acting extremely sexy. And, you know, no real life could live up to that. Yeah. I mean, but I wouldn't trade my real life for that. Yeah. I understand that. I mean, for me, I feel like I can live side by side with that, let's call it a hobby,

and my reality. But maybe you would, I've also read people who say, say, no, you should give up porn altogether. Because as long as you have that idea in your head that this exists, this harem of hot women who are just there to please you. And, you know, that's what, I mean, porn girls, they're just like hookers. They're trying to make you come, you know. That's their sole purpose. That's their sole purpose.

And they're good at it. And it would be impossible for any woman or literary any group of women to live up to that. So I could see how a young mind that could be bad. Now, maybe you tell me it's also bad for me. I feel like I can live with that dichotomy, but maybe I'm wrong. I would say, I mean, the fact that you had your first sexual experience prior to porn or online porn is a positive thing. And it doesn't sound like it's affecting you in your day-to-day life or your relationships. I would say for men, I'm more broadly, and I don't do clinical work anymore, so for people listening or watching,

you know, talk to a mental health professional, don't base your relationship decisions on what I'm saying on Bill Maher's podcast. But I would say, you know, if your partners are saying, giving you feedback that they are either uncomfortable or they're not, you know, enjoying sex with you. I mean, these are some things I hear from women who say, like, they are having sex with men who are,

they use the term porn sick. So basically men who consume way too much porn. These men are trying things during sex. Like I mentioned, you know, strangulation, which is very common with Gen Z. Or they are doing abusive things. spitting on them, calling them names, and women are like, what are you doing? That's awful. And if you as a man are doing these behaviors and you don't think that you should maybe ask

or just not do them in the bedroom or you think that this is something enjoyable to ask yourself, where did you get these ideas from? I think it's deeper than that. Why do you like it? Like I was saying before, again, this is one of my specials, this was the ending bit about how even in my fantasies, I just, you know, choking, I don't get it. oh, you can't breathe sexy. No, I don't get it. Or like, but I never even like, I would never want to like tie somebody up. Yeah.

Tie somebody up. No, I want your hands on me. Yeah. Well, also. Let me, let me, uh, hip you to how that's going to make this better. Yeah. Let's use those hands. Let's not, I don't, I can, I don't need to tie you up to control you.

I can do that with my dick as I should. The only way a woman should ever feel pain in bed, and not a terrible pain. Yeah. Just, you know, oh, baby, it hurts so good. Yeah. Sometimes love don't feel like it should. Well, I talk in sex sanction about how, you know, for people who genuinely do enjoy being abused during sex or abusing their partner, usually that stems from some form of abuse in childhood, in that it's unresolved trauma that they're living through or going back to because they're trying to either make sense of what happened or to feel like this terrible thing that. happened to them was not so bad. But in terms of, say, choking, I mean, it is potentially fatal.

And people like it because when you cut off the airflow to the brain, you get high, right? Because your brain cells dying. That's what it is. And even if you don't pass out necessarily, like, that's not good for your brain. There are actually studies showing that there's a choking during sex can lead to inflammation of the brain, which is associated with mental health issues down the road. And just to give your audience an idea of how common this is. So among female university students, let me get these statistics, right? So half of them have had an experience of being choked during sex. A third of them were choked the last time they had sex, and a third of them have been choked more than five times during sex versus that's only

7% of university men. So this is very much more like a man, men doing this to women. Oh, of course. So many men will say, oh, women want it, but I think they're just doing that porn. What that is, it's not what women want. What women want is the guy they want to like them. Yeah. They do things because, you know, they're young and they want this guy to be into them. Trust me, I've heard this many times women saying, you know, I'm into girls. And I always say, no, you're not. No, you're not. You're just saying that because you think I want to hear that. Yeah. Because if they're with a guy who says I'm not into that, yeah. If a guy says I'm not into that, then they're like, okay, I'm not into it, you know. Right. And the choking thing, you know, yes, okay, I guess there could be real serious physical problems down the road, but the problem is much more, why do you find that attractive? And by the way, let me just say, choking is different. Putting hands on someone's neck is not choking them. The neck is a very erogenous zone. I mean, I think every square inch of a woman is. I mean, I'm a flaming heterosexual.

So, you know, to put your hands on somebody's throat, but that's not choking. That's the same as you would caress them anywhere. But if you actually get pleasure at a giving pain, that's a problem. That's where, to me, the ref has got to throw the flag because there's something wrong with you then. There's something, you are there not for the pleasure. Sex itself should be the pleasure. You shouldn't need this extra dimension. Ooh, it's sex and I'm making someone cry.

You know? Yeah, it depends on the intention because I think there are some men who do it also because they have had female partners in the past who have said they liked it. So they think, well, I'm not really into this, but women seem to like it, so I'm going to do it. And then the women are doing it.

Lying, exactly. Because they thought the men wanted to hear that. Which is so crazy because this whole trend is really about both sides pretending that they want something that they don't actually like. Well, I mean, look, men are the seed of the bad shit. I would absolutely concur. But women could do a better job, too, of this kind of thing.

I mean, you know, you let down the whole gender when you pretend that you like this stuff, because that is going to encourage the guy to think, oh, they do like it. I mean, he's young, dumb, and full of cum. I mean, he literally doesn't know his ass from the elbow. So he's probably going to buy that and think, oh, they do. And then, of course, they see it on porn. And, you know, there is a lot of spitting in porn, which I hate. I don't like spit to begin with.

I don't know what it. I mean, I get it that it's involved with sex in some ways, but I have to look at it. You know, I don't, I've never been a fan or engaged in, like, food. Some people, you know, mix food and lick shit off each other. It's like, yeah. I wouldn't even have. have food before sex. That's my big rule.

Sex first, then food. People do it backwards in this country. I've said it on this show many times. They do it backwards. You shouldn't eat dinner and then fuck. It's disgusting. Yeah, you're nauseated. You're nauseated, your body is spending all the energy

digesting the food. You should do it after. That's what it makes sense. You've earned it. You know? But then the problem is the men are probably going to be like, I'm going to go home now, forget dinner. Right. I mean, you have to have somebody who you want to have dinner with after.

Yeah. But, you know, it's funny because we do talk about all these changes. But then we also do see a lot of society doing what they always have done. I mean, Deborah, the bachelor is still on. Or maybe it's not. Didn't they just look at the chick with like throwing chairs or something? Yeah, I know. But you know what I mean?

Like there's still a lot of very traditional. Even like the celebrities who everybody looks up to, you know, they basically like, you know, they get married to the tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, they just, they're not, the gravitational pull of who we actually really are. Yeah, what we want. It's a very strong antidote to the craziness. I mean, you can say gender is just a, what's the term? Non-binary or a spectrum. Well, a cultural or a...

Oh, socially constructed. A construct. But, you know, we are who we are and it is biology and it is science and it is lizard brain and it is there. Yeah. And you can just kind of argue your way out of it so far. And then we are who we are. And that's when you see, oh, look, you know, put a ring. on it. And, you know, like, they just, they just, it's like, you know, they're just,

water goes downhill, that you're just going to fall back into what you, you can't escape most of that. Reality. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the other thing I, with a lot of the technologies around dating and relationships, I think also a lot of, like, the ideology promoted by wokeism or feminism is, um, it helps in the short term in that it helps us to self-soothe. Say, when we're stressed out, like the distraction of being on screens or being on dating apps. It makes you feel like, okay, I'm doing something to help my personal life or to meet people or to connect. But the reality is it's not the same as actual in-person connection.

It's not the same as actually hearing someone's voice or having a face-to-face conversation. And so I do think that's why people feel even worse after, right, where you feel even more lonely, you feel more disconnected, more alienated. And so even though these distractions help us short term, I think long term, this is why we're place where we're so divided now. But I wanted to ask you, and not about your personal life, but just more broadly, being in Hollywood, what is dating like here? Because I know in large cities, like, say, New York, it is, I've heard it's just atrocious.

Like, it's so difficult. And I imagine, especially being in entertainment and being in this ecosphere, like, it must be so much harder. Because I hear from people around the world about how hard dating is nowadays. I mean, I certainly hear it from every woman I know. Not the men, though. I mean, do I know a lot of men who are dating? I mean, you know, most of my friends are married.

I mean, you know, I mean, I'm 70. A lot of them have grandkids. I'm the one who's still single. But I'm not actively, I mean, I'm not dating. I mean, I'm happy. I don't get specific about my personal life. That's really fun. I'm good.

Yeah. I'm good. But I'm not out there trying to, hustle up, you know, dates. So I don't know. What I know is what I hear from so many women who, yes, their complaints are legion and just appalling. It's appalling.

I think a lot of it is, we've talked about social mini, but the actual dating apps. I mean, the idea that you could scroll through, like an exhaustible supply of women, I mean, from someone who was when I was out there, like, trying to meet girls in bars, I mean, first of all, there was no targeting of the audience. You went to a bar. Maybe there's somebody in that bar who you would get along with. Maybe there's not. I mean, it was just complete pot luck. Yeah.

Now it's, like, I guess, somewhat targeted because you can see them and you can read their profile, whatever. But the idea that you can just, like, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, it's just, it's human. brain can't do that, certainly not the male brain. And so, I don't know. I mean, the fact that they can do that, that it's that easy, to me, what the stories I hear from women indicate to me that there's too much supply, shall we say, of that, of women. So guys don't feel the need to treat women with any sort of respect. Or, you know, I'll just scroll to the next one.

You know, I just met you. Do you want to go home with me? No, okay, I'll scroll to the next one. Maybe I'll do better there. It's just this numbers game that seems completely crazy. That's what I hear. Because that to me, that's my sense with many large cities, especially when the sex ratio is imbalanced.

And there are more women in that city than men, because when there are fewer men, they are going to be calling the terms in terms of the relationships or what the, how things are going to go, basically. Like you said, if they want casual sex, they're going to say, this is what I want. If you're not going to give it to me, I'm going to go elsewhere. And then I think also, I imagine the men in this city are so financial successful that they also have their pick of the lot.

So that adds to it where now you have more women and then all women are fighting for this very small pool of successful men. That's the big problem. And I think that's always been a problem to a degree. and ever more so, which is that, yes, it's nature. And when walruses mate, you know, I'm picking on walruses, I'm sure you know this better than I, you probably took biology more seriously than I did, but some species, or maybe many of them, the males fight, and the women, the females of the species, they want the alpha.

Yeah. You know, that's just nature. And here you can be alpha in a place like L.A. because you're great looking because, you know, we suck all the great looking people out of the country. People in L.A. are so beautiful. Whenever I come in more, I was like, oh, yes. I mean, because people in Indiana, when they're beautiful, they go, I got to be in L.A. You know, and the models are in New York. Yeah. So it's crazy like that. Or you can be, and there's also like tens of zillions of rich people. I mean, everybody wants to live here. We got the weather, man. You know, as much as we try to fuck up this state, you know, you just cannot put a price on sunshine in February.

You know, and also everybody already lives here. You know, people who don't have to live here, live here. Yeah. Like, the really big stars can live anywhere. They don't have to see their agent every week. Trust me, if Jay-Z wants to do something, they'll come to him. He doesn't have to live in Bel Air. He chooses to.

They all do. It's L.A. man. So, yes, there's just a lot. And there's so many NEPO babies and NEPO wealth and passed on wealth. You know, so it's, I don't know. When you go out in this town, it just doesn't look like anybody's really unhappy when you're in a restaurant. But they also look like they're all on the make. in some way.

And it's just this big game of musical chairs of, you know, and good luck finding that right hookup because, you know, maybe you will but it just looks like everybody is sort of superficially

trying to match with who on paper they would like the most. You know, your book, you talk about the sick Three sixes guys? Yeah. Three six is rule.

So it's this idea that women should strive for a man who is over six feet tall, makes over six figures annually, and has a penis that is larger than six inches. So this is used as an illustration in the book to say we can have. But, you know, as meat love said, don't be sad because two out of three ain't bad. No, I don't think heights. I mean, there's an evolutionary reason for that. But I don't think height is a determined factor. Happiness or success in a relationship. Did you see that movie?

It was quite good. I liked it. I can't remember the name of it now. But Dakota Johnson played a like a... 50 Shades of Grey. No, no, no, not that one. No, she played like, you know, someone who... I don't forget the word for it, but she hooked people up.

You know, she wasn't a madame. Matchmaker? Matchmaker, yeah. A modern. kind of matchmaker. And one of the plot points in the movie is that men these days are having operations on their legs. Oh, yeah. Because they want to get up to the six level. Yeah. And that women, because they've seen or read, I've certainly read this, that some astounding number of women will immediately swipe left on anyone who's not six foot tall. Or they set the

filter there. So they don't even see those profiles. Don't even see them. Okay. So for all the women who were like always up our ass about how superficial we are about big tits, fuck you. Your legs are our tits. Okay. You're no better obviously. And you're used to be. Yeah. And I don't think most women are like that, but maybe that's just the women who are on social. I think there's an extreme. But that standard in terms of wanting the highest top-tier male specimen in terms of whom you're willing to date, I think that broader mentality has spread because if you ask, as research for the book, and I'm asking, I was asking men and women about their experiences with dating, and men will typically reference their height in, you know, it's funny, I've never spoke to me before,

and I think this is starting to affect me. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, it's totally fine. I knew it's totally fine. just if I'm stumbling with my words. You're hardly stumbling with your word. You haven't even sat back. I mean, I don't think you're in danger of going nuts here, Deborah.

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Instead of saying, like, I'm 510 or 511, they'll say, I'm almost six feet tall. Whereas the guy who's actually six feet taller, taller will say I'm 6-1, 62. So I've noticed this trend, and it's the same like with women and how we feel the need to minimize our just size or, you know, say, we'll say, we'll say. say, what was I going to say about this? I was going to say, well, because... I don't know, Stoner, what were you? In the last week, I will say in the last week, people have been

wondering if I had breast implants, and I know it's called a push-up bra just for people. But to say it will emphasize certain body parts. It wasn't between a push-a-bron, the miracle bra because I remember when the miracle bra came out. Do you remember the miracle bra? Did you have a miracle? It was more of like a cone, I think, right?

I feel like it wasn't a miracle. I feel like we push the tits up and together, and that's the miracle. Like, there's only so many ways you get. Like, that's what we do. It's not a miracle. We push the shit together. That's really it. Greatest invention of all time.

Really? But, yeah, so I think women are allowed to want what they want, just like men are allowed to want what they want. But in terms of those standards, if you're going into the dating pool and saying, okay, I'm not even going to look at men who are not this height or who don't meet these criteria, that are not necessarily reflective of happiness in a relationship. You're doing yourself in. Right. Or, you know, look, men, if you said to me,

like if I was in the dating pool and you said, well, you have to look at women up to every age, I wouldn't do that either. I mean, we do also have the right to want what we want. You know, when you're in a restaurant, you have the right to send it back and say, no, I wanted it well done. you know, or I wanted it rare.

Sorry, whatever it is. I mean, so part of me is quick to condemn and say, you superficial hussies. And the other part is like, you know, you got to get what you like or else you can't have to like what you get. Yeah. The problem is there aren't that many. Here's the real problem isn't wanting the perfect guy. The real problem is I feel like this attitude. And again, maybe this is just L.A.

among women who you don't have that much to offer. You don't you have to offer? You're cute. That's it, and you think that's all you need. You're not smart. You're not cool. Interesting. You're not that interesting.

You're vapid. And there's a thousand million chicks out here just like you. And you think you deserve, like, the upper echelon kind of guy. Read a book. Okay? Yeah. I hear that from men a lot, too, where they say, you know, women are so entitled. They think, you know, they give these women a number and they say these women think that they deserve tens or that because they can hook up with a rich guy once that they're going to marry that type of guy when really they were just a hookup, you know, they can't actually track that status of a man.

So I say that. I mean, I have a device in sex distinction for both sexes and I say for women, you know, like definitely be a kind person and have a personality and just like men be kind and, you know. In the correction to when we treated women horribly, which is true and it certainly has. has been needed and certainly needs to keep going. But in that correction, there's been a lot over the last few decades of just blowing a lot of smoke up their ass about what an ethereal, perfect creature you are. Body positivity, did I say?

Body positivity, that was an outrageous extension of that idea. If you're going to say a man needs to be over six feet tall, you also got to be bringing it. Right. But I mean, women were just told that just by being, you're awesome. Yeah. Just you, just you, just you, perfect the way you wore. Just you, no, no, I want to hear anything more. You're just fucking perfect because you're you. I mean, that attitude, I'm not exaggerating that. And no, no, that's certainly not what my generation thought about either sex. You know, you just, you're not born perfect, okay?

Get over yourself. You know, make yourself, you want to be with interesting people? Make yourself interesting. Yeah. You know, you want to keep up with this conversation. And, I mean, honestly, the number of women you could go out and, and again, this is L.A., but, you know, I know New York is supposedly somehow the greatest mecca of intellectualism. I lived there twice.

I didn't see any difference as far as, like, the younger people. and how smart they were. They were into the same bullshit, okay? They're the same superficial glitter monkeys everywhere. Yeah. And, you know, okay, you can complain about it, but you're not really doing a hell of a lot to make yourself all that interesting.

And again, the number of women that I've seen in this town who are under 40 who can keep up in a conversation is not a lot. Wow. A few, but not a lot. And they all do seem to think that they should be with, you know, the CEO of, you know,

some trillion-dollar company and, you know, be flying on private jets. And, you know, it's very much like American Idol, you know, let's skip past the part where I have to learn how to play music and get to the Idol department. Skip the past part. Give me the record deal.

Let me just marry the guy. And then, you know, know, I'll learn. And then when we have a conversation, when he's talking to his boss, you know, I'll know what an IPO is. Yeah. Because right now, I think it's some sort of of UTI text. I write in the book about plastic surgery and how I think combined with social media and reality TV and just the fact that everyone is hyper-competitive among their own sex and they're trying to so desperately get the best, yeah, to get the best partner possible, people are going through countless procedures now. Looks max.

Yeah, it's very popular in young men. Maybe I don't know what looks maxing is, but isn't looks maxing what people have always wanted to do, which was just, I mean, I feel like my whole life, I've been looksmaxing, I know it doesn't look like it. But like, I can't think of a time, certainly passed when I got to puberty. Okay, when I was a kid, I cared about baseball cards,

and that was that. But once women were in the picture, I did everything I possibly could, to look my best. Now, sometimes I was wrong and it was stupid. And, you know, in high school I grew a beard and it didn't look good, but I could, so I did. But it was in my mind. Max your look.

Yeah. You know, be the best looking version of yourself you can be. The beard shows testosterone, so you were on the right track. Well, yeah. If only I knew how to talk to a girl, maybe it would have helped. But what's different now with looks maxing? Just the surgery? Well, it's hyperfixated on traits that are physical features that are seen as masculine

or associated with high testosterone. So a very strong brow ridge, very strong jawline. For women? No, no, for men, for men. Women do this too. Looks maxing is only for men? Mostly young men, yeah, and boys. In some cases, prepubescent boys. So that term refers to men?

Yeah. Oh, that's even worse than I thought. Yeah. Whereas I do find most of the plastic surgery, like I see young women. Like, in my hometown, I see plenty of even teenage cars. girls, we have a lot of work done, which is crazy to me. You know, they have a lot of injectables, yeah. That's so ridiculous.

It's really sad. Well, because you're perfect at that age. Yeah. You have to work hard not to be cute at 19. Really? Yeah. I mean, people have done it. Don't get me wrong.

I've seen it done. But, like, you can look at people sometimes who we come to know later in life, famous or not, and you see them, like, in middle age. And, you know, they're no great-lookers, you know. And then you see a picture of them at 19, you go, wow, they were cute. They actually were cute. You know, it's just nature. It's just our bodies are constantly making replicated cells of ourselves.

Each time they make them, they make them a little worse. That's really what aging is. Aging, the reason we look, you know, our age as we get older, is because it's the body signaling to other partners that reproductive health is going down with age, right? Because you are not as fertile. I mean, and this is certainly something about the psychology that must be going on in women's minds

that I've thought about many times, which is so much, whether they, matter how much they try to say we've reinvented humans, we haven't, and it is deep in the DNA of a woman to always be thinking, men are interested in the looks. Because they are.

Because they are. And as I age, that diminishes. Now, I always try to tell my women friends, you know, you're worrying about nothing. This is a different world we live in. The cougars do very well out here. And lots of young guys like women who are 40. But I understand what they're talking about. because I've often thought, I mean, I was a funny kid, you know,

and I started doing comedy, I'm getting paid to be a comedian, very funny, funny, funny, funny, what if, as I got into my 30s, I got less funny? What would that do to my mind, knowing that as I got through my late 30s, now I'm into my 40s, people don't just find me that funny anymore. And you can never get back to being as funny as you were in your 20s, no matter how hard you tried. Right.

There's no comedy surgery. And even if there was, it doesn't really work. Yeah. You know, as Fran Lieberwood's brilliantly once said, nobody looks at someone who's 75 with plastic surgery and goes, who's that 35-year-old person? And I get it. It's unfair.

You know, and I imagine, especially in this town. Because I don't get less funny. I get more funny. Yeah. Ha-ha-ha. Yeah. And similarly for women who get more rich. I mean, if anything, it makes it harder for them to find a guy, right?

Because women tend to appreciate a man who gets richer over time. Maybe it gets harder to find a sincere guy. Well, okay, yeah. I don't think it gets harder to find a guy. I think money, one thing I've learned about life, people like money. They really do. Like, you walk into a place. Like, when I was a kid, like, I always wanted to be, you know, James Bond or like some cool guy like that.

And one of the great things about this time of my life is, you know, handing out like $50,00 tips to, like, people when you're, it's like the greatest feeling in the world. I mean, it makes them feel good. Yeah. But it makes me feel like, oh, wow, that is like the coolest arrival thing I could do. Yeah. It's just be that dude who, like, gives the Mater D a little something on the sly, you know. It's just people like money. They really do.

I've never seen it not bring a smile to someone's face. So, you know, if a woman has money, I don't think that's a detriment. I think it's just you have to do exactly what men do when we have money, which is always keep one eye open. That is this why this person likes me? And by the way, I've certainly met and know men. I am not one of them, but I know them who are like totally okay with you. that that doesn't that doesn't insult them at all in fact they they're there again not me but

their view of that is I feel good about that because I achieve this status with money and that and so it's kind of an affirmation of my success that they like me for this that I you know and I mean to me it's still I mean a whore is a horrid to have but I imagine for most women who make lots of money or make more than their male partners, they're keeping track in their mind for sure. Like you said, they've one eye open. They're also not necessarily as attracted to those men as someone as a man who makes more money than they do. Because when you see marriages in which women actually make more money than their husbands, there's a higher chance of divorce. There are all these other awful things that are associated with it that I discuss in the book.

Yeah, like there's more likely to be more and more common. Cheating on the male part. Yeah, no, it's becoming more common. In seven marriages are actually women are primary bred winners now. And also they're kicking ass in college in a way men are. Men have checked out. Yeah. You know, there's, you talk about, what's the word I don't know for like marrying up? Hypergamy. Exactly, I was testing you.

Hypergamy, which is the square root of the hypotenuse, by the way, for kids who are watching this, doing their geometry homework. No, hypergamy is involved here. Because the more men check out as far as academia, they graduate much fewer men now. I mean, men are the ones who need affirmative action now in college. I mean, women can't find guys to marry up to. Exactly.

There's a stat that we keep called the unemployed, but the definition of unemployed is, You don't have a job, but you're looking for one. There's another stat which has, I don't remember the number, but it's an astoundingly high number, like $7 million. Yeah. That's not unemployed. It's not working and not looking.

Right. Not working and not looking. And it's something like seven million men in this country. 11 million unfilled jobs. Very content to stay home with the Xbox. Yep. Yeah. That's not attractive.

to a woman. No. Women do like achievement. You know, they like, you know, it's... And it's not just the money. It's also just feeling like this person has ambition. They're moving towards something. They have joy in their life. If you, I imagine if you are sitting in front of a screen all day playing video games, online betting, you have no goals, you don't get, you know, dressed. I don't imagine someone like to be very happy. And so if you're dating, I mean, something like that's probably not even dating, but if they were, you don't really have as much to talk about. But so many women are going out with guys like that. Is that because there's just nobody else? I think so. I think it may be some cases those women may feel like they can

help this person or want to, but I really think that just leads to resentment over time. Or it's because like the messaging from society is, you know, women are doing so great, that's okay. You can be the primary breadwinner. You can take care of this man. He doesn't need to take care of you. That's sexist if you want a man to take care of you. I see a lot of that in young women. I feel really badly for them because I don't see that ending well. Because especially if you as a woman continue succeeding in life, which you likely will, because, like you said, women are doing so well,

occupation and in education and they're outgraduating men. And if you're with a guy like this who, if he's struggling with his mental health, say he has low testosterone, say he's watching porn every day multiple times a day, so he has no motivation to do anything sexual or otherwise, I mean, that's not going to be a very good future for either of you. I have seen in more than one movie, I can't think of what they are now. Not big movies, but movies, where there was this plot point where there's a couple. And I think usually they're married.

He's not really working because he wants to make his dream of being in the book. band work. He's got a band. And he's mad at the wife who's like hocking him to like get off your ass and get a job, do something that you don't believe in me. You know, the band, the band's going to work, man. We're good. And, you know, if they put it in movies, I always feel like it must be true. That's how I know everything about children. I don't have children. I work very hard to never be around a child, but I see what it looks like from every single movie and television show, and it always looks the same, like a nightmare, like a total nightmare, where the kids don't respect their parents, they're yelling at them, they're cursing at them, they're doing things

where they would just, my mother would just fucking kill me, you know? Yeah. So it must be true. And I feel like this must be true because they keep putting this into movies. Well, at least that guy in the movie has a band, right? At least he's working towards something. He's not just sitting around like doom scrolling all day long. I feel like a band may be even worse because it gives you hope. The false hope. It gives you hope. And you know, your band is not, you know, could it, yes, anything could happen. But you know the other thing I would say is because there are fewer viable bachelors for women, there comes a point where a woman, if she does want to have kids, she has to choose. Either I have to pick from the available pool, which made me and I'm going to be

with a guy whom I'm not, it's not really ideal, but I can have a child with him, or she can go on her own. And I talk about reproductive technology in the book and how it gives this false premise of, like, I think if people want to do IVF, they want to freeze their eggs, that's perfectly fine, that's their choice. But I think it's important for people to be aware of what do these technologies actually involve, the fact that they do not have 100% success rate. And I think also young women are taught to ignore biology or that they can somehow override their biology, which is not true. And so this is what you have happening where women will get into their late 30s or into their even early 40s and be surprised when their fertility is not the same

because they weren't aware of this. And now they're trying to find a partner. So this is where you see also in the culture where I think women get shamed for that. But I don't think it's necessarily their fault. It's like society is telling them you have all the time in the world. Starting at teenage years when you're on the birth control pill and you put on the pill, say for other reasons then being sexually active, there's this illusion that women have as much time as they want

and then they get to this point where if they haven't found someone now that single motherhood by choice is becoming more popular where women can like I did as an experiment you can go on the internet and buy, I didn't use it, but you can buy sperm on the internet and impregnate yourself and have a baby on your own and so this is what I see happening

that both sexes are going to continue bifurcating and instead of saying, hey, let's try to make things work and find solutions that are actually solving this problem of people not pairing up. We're seeing women going this direction of saying we don't need men. In fact, having a boyfriend is embarrassing or whatever.

And I'm going to have a baby on my own with technology. Embarrassing. And men are saying, I'm going to get me a sex robot and be done with dating. Having a boyfriend is not embarrassing. It is gay. It's very gay. It's terminally online, as you said. You saw that.

I loved it, yeah. Yeah, no, it's very gay to have a boyfriend these days. I think so. I mean, I mean that in a positive way. But, you know, can I say something that I think would be encouraging? Because we're talking about a lot of things that are, you know, frankly, discouraging. But we're honest. Honesty is always better than non-honesty.

But for all the women in their 30s who are like, and I've just seen so many freakouts, like, oh, my God, I'm 30. Oh, gosh. Call 911. Really? I'm 70. Women are really hard on themselves. They're very hard. And they're freaked out about this thing.

with about the, and what it is, is, as you said, the pool, the pool of people who are going to be attracted to you. When you go, when you delve down into it, because I think we often have thoughts and we delve down, why are we having these thoughts? Why are you freaking out about 30? Okay, let's look at it. What it really is, is you are worried that this pool of prospective applicants to be your Easter egg soulmate that you find this perfect person that you're going to hook up, match up with, and live happily ever after with, this pool is diminishing because you're getting older. Now, I guess at some point that does happen, but I'm just here to tell you from a man talking to other men, okay, and as one with no dog in this fight,

because never had kids, never been married. Okay, I know how men think about this, and I know who they marry. So if you're 30, don't worry about it. That's when it begins to be attractive for most successful men to even consider you because when they get married, they're not necessarily looking for the hottest chick they ever had.

It's a life experience. They're looking for someone who's not going to be, be an asshole every day, not just, you know, just to be a fucking nudge about every stupid thing. Somebody you can have a conversation with someone who, if you're stuck in the airport for four hours, is not going to be, what is the plane going to leave? I don't know, bitch. I'm not the pilot either. Read a fucking book, okay? And that doesn't even begin in the 20s. Okay? So calm down. You're just at the beginning of when the people who you might want to marry, the successful

look up to people. Now, the problem with that, you were talking about your sperm and, or not your sperm and not my sperm, just sperm in general. Let's get that clear. But I've seen this happen a lot. The women who are ready to marry in their 30s when, you know, they're not. their fertility isn't the greatest, are marrying guys like in their 50s.

Because that's not like too old, but it's successful. And it's like not an age gap that makes people go, how dare you? And any age gap that makes you go, how dare you, fuck you. Where happiness is, just go with it. But OK. So now you've got a woman with not the optimum ovarian reserve.

Exactly the word that we're just on the tip of my tongue, Debra. Number of eggs and health, yeah. We're like we finish each other sentences. Elvarian reserve. My favorite band, by the way, that plays at the Roxy. Elvary in Reserve, great early stuff. No, okay, so ovarian reserve for the woman, and then the guy is entering the age of not great.

Yeah, chromosomal abnormalities, we'll say. Again, right on the tip of my tongue. Second favor band. So second favorite, they're on the bill together. They're touring this summer. And so you put those together, and what do you have? Diminished fertility. Again, we keep coming back to the theme of,

you can't quite just by decree change human nature and change how people are and change how biology works and change how science works. Yeah, yeah. You just can't do it. I totally agree. That's a big theme. And they think they can.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I get it too. I mean, I don't want to fault anyone for, say, you know, like I was saying with plastic surgery, trying to look younger than you are. I think it's very understandable why women go this route because there's a lot of pressure in terms of the way you look and to look young and to be as attractive as possible. And I mean, men are undergoing plastic surgery too. And my point in pointing this out is just to say that, like you said, you know, men actually don't care as much, I think, as women think, and women don't care as much. Definitely about looks. But even I've seen, in terms of how much money you make if you're a decent person and your kind and there are all these other things that can help be supportive of your of your partner um my i think you're a bitch because my AI girlfriend tells me i look great perfect the way you are but then also that's a big problem yeah in society oh it is let's talk about that okay can i finish this point oh yeah i'm sorry but i was just going to say with regard to the fertility issues like you said i think if you can become if you want to like i don't think everyone has to have kids, but if someone wants kids, they should prioritize that, both men and women, because even if you're healthy, you can get to a point where you realize you're having a harder time finding someone with whom you'd like to have children. And even if you do find someone,

you might find that you're having difficulties because you cannot get pregnant for whatever reason. It might be the woman or male, female or male factor, infertility are both sexes. And as I mentioned with, you know, the endocrine disruptors, I think that's a big piece of it too in terms of the food we're eating, our water supply, that the fact that there's pharmaceutical, waste in there and things like... In where? In the water supply. So there are things like birth control.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Dietzepam, which is in anxiety medication. Ennecrant disruptors. Yeah, and then also like plastics and things like that, feminizing toxins in the environment. You got to have a filter, man. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. But it's so hard to get away from. Oh, it's impossible.

You can't fully get away from it 100%. I mean, they find plastics in polar bears. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's in the sky. You can't filter the sky. And it's in our reproductive organs, too. So it's not only affecting the current generation, it's also affecting children. So you never had kids? No. I never got married. No. Oh. So is it, but you're open to it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Although I will say children, I'm able to, it must be hard for you to find someone, to marry up, you're attractive,

you're brilliant, you know, you're successful. Like, what, what guy can step to you? And in terms of having kids, previously wanted, like I loved children, but I, writing this book, I'm terrified now. This is not a world I want to bring children into. Meaning they're horrible. We need to fix, we need to seriously fix things. They were horrible before they were horrible. Now, I mean, the parents have really fucked them up.

The parents did a double whammy. They fucked up their own lives and their kids' lives by being too gentle parenting, by being too indulgent. They ruined their own lives because their kids controlled the parents' lives. The parent is the chauffeur. The parent is the, you know, the helicopter. They're constant. They have no, none of their own lives.

My parents had their own lives because, like, they wouldn't even consider the fact that they had to, like, make, do for everything I wanted to do. I was on my own, you know, not completely, appropriately. But now parents, so they fucked up their life in that way. And they fucked up the kids' lives who need more independence. Yeah. I mean, I think most parents mean well, and especially in something like I'm very critical of screens, and I think parents were giving their kids devices like phones and tablets thinking it's educational, it's for safety reasons, but it's, you know, it's just wild the effects that it's had.

And we've gone too far in that direction, like you said. I think in the future what's going to happen is people are going to have to make a choice. Like I'm all about solutions too. I think it's important to try and not just focus on the doomsday scenario that's in front of us, but to say, how can we avoid these pitfalls? We need to acknowledge that this is a direction. We're going in and choose to go a more analog way when possible. Yeah.

I mean, there is that trend. The kids are not all of them, or probably most of them, but there is a definite movement toward going back to pre-phone. A good number of them do get it, but it's fucked them up, and they don't want any part of it anymore. I have to say Gen Z is a very intelligent generation. The kids I've talked to, they're very smart. They're like, they're aware of this stuff.

They can see it. It's just that's all they know and they're surrounded by it constantly. That's very difficult to break out of. Because they can't say, oh, I remember a time when we didn't have smartphones. I remember a time when we didn't have the internet. No, they're not stupid. They just have been indoctrinated into a lot of super far left bullshit. Although I would say younger Gen Z, like the ones who are still in high school-ish, like 18 and younger,

because they went through COVID differently. than older Gen Z. Older Gen Z was already in the university, so they had more freedom, although Gen Z in general tends to be more parentified, like you said, not perennified, rather, helicoptered. So they're a bit more anxiety-driven. They need their parents a little bit more.

They're not meeting those standards of independence in the same way that previous generations were. But I would say the younger Gen Zers are much more skeptical because they saw the hypocrisy of COVID. So that's one of the, I guess, good things potentially of social media is that they could see. Look at the contrast of what certain people are saying. and then what's actually bearing out.

They're able to access more information and the news from all angles as opposed to just what, like, one source or one ideology you say. Well, I mean, sometimes the information is good and sometimes they look at TikTok and don't know anything more than Israelis kill babies. All Jews are bad.

I mean, they get some really... Yeah, the polarization is... They get some really fucking bad ideas. And they're too lazy or their parents are too... teachers are too lazy to point them in a much more balanced direction. Yeah. Or they believe the same bullshit. So, you know, I mean, maybe in the science realm, it's better, but in the political realm, it's bad. Well, we've yet to see. Because the science denial is so bad in terms of even like pure biology you would think would be acceptable and should

not be controversial. I don't know that we're ever going to get back from that. I hope one day, but I think the public also just is understandly skeptical. It's amazing to me that somebody like you, who to me just speaks common sense and science and this straight arrow. I mean, piano playing, just like brilliant. We get it. And yet, I bet you there's a lot of people, because you said the Times attacked you, tried to get me to throw you under the bus, who, for them, you're just some sort of right winger. Because you won't go, the same thing they say with me, and I'm not. Because I'm saying that girl should be cutting off your breasts. Right, just because I won't go along with the nonsense. I won't go along with the crazy. I am somehow in your view.

You want to put me in this other category. And I've said this before. Like they've driven a lot of people like Joe Rogan and Elon Musk, people who are not conservative people, who are actually liberal heroes for a long time. They've driven them into the conservative side because they were so like, unacceptably not super woke just because they wouldn't go along with the bullshit. Yeah. And they're not going to do it to me. I don't think they're going to do it to you.

You're not going to get me onto your side, but you know what? You're not going to stop me from calling you out when you're crazy. Because there is a lot of crazy. Ask Donald Trump. It got him elected. But also what I find interesting about, like,

extreme progressives is they ignore all this other stuff that would, for an average person, they would say, yeah, this person is at least balanced or reasonable, and they just, they want to put you in the crazy categories, so it's easier just dismiss everything you say. So, like, when you do media, probably, like, the only ones who will have you, this is their little game, the only ones that'll have you when you get ostracized by the stupid woke of the very far left are the conservative outlets. Like, so, you know, they won't have you on MSNBC because... I don't believe that women have penises.

Right. I mean, I believe there's such a thing as trans women. I just think it's a slightly different category than biological women. And that's just logical. Okay, so if you believe that, they won't put you on anywhere like that. So you have to do Fox News. And then they say, oh, she's a right winger. Look at her.

She's on Fox News. Yeah, because you wouldn't have me. Right? Isn't that the game they play? Yeah. I have to say, though, like, I'm so grateful for. for conservative media because when I first started my writing as a journalist. Right, but I was totally, I mean left, I wouldn't say all liberal media outlets.

I mean, I write for the open mail in Canada, which would be considered like a left-leaning outlet, but that's one of very few that will still have me. And so conservative media, they know we don't agree about everything, but they are, they've always been very open-minded to me and very contently. Does that happen in your social life? Like, are there? Oh, yeah. Really?

Yeah. Are there men who, who, like, won't go near you because you're somehow, Really? That's amazing. On average, right, when we look at between men and women, men tend to be more right-leaning and women tend to be more progressive. And it's only with marriage that women tend to become more conservative. But I've experienced that. I mean, with friends, with men I've dated, but it's not really surprising. I think that's just an artifact of the culture we're in. Because usually it would work the other way around.

Usually it would be the man who would be more conservative and the woman who would be like, I can't be with this guy. In fact, I did a thing about this about a year ago because somebody on some, you know, dating show, maybe it was the Bachelorette. And she was telling her friends that she couldn't be with this guy because, like, it wasn't even that outrageous. It wasn't outrageous as well. He just, like, didn't have an opinion on trans. It was like, you know, I hope it works out for you. And that wasn't good enough for her, you know, because that's how the woke are. You have to be fully on board or else you're a monster.

But usually, again, it's the guy who's more conservative. I find it interesting that you have found in situations where you were the conservative and the guy who I'd like to call the pussy. Not a real man. Not a real man. Couldn't even bear that? Yeah, and I wouldn't say that I'm probably more like a centrist, like a moderate. Exactly.

Like me, yes. Yes. School liberal, but just. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, it is what it is. All right, so AI. Yes, right. Man, I won't have it on my phone.

At all. I got it on a second phone. I don't want it in my phone. Okay. I don't want it, because once it's in your phone, it knows everything about you. Yeah. It knows every picture.

It knows how big my dick is. is just poor bastard it just it knows everything I don't want that and I also don't want I almost cannot train it the limited version I have to not be personal because it's trying to get at you that way and it I just keep explaining it doesn't work on my generation. I'm not a Marine, okay, but I'm not a fucking pussy either, okay? So I don't need to, and I did a thing on this one, too. Everything in my life has to kiss my ass. You know, I got this ring, the aura ring. I'm not married folks. I just, I'm a fucking ring to, I like it on this finger, but it tells, you know, it tells you like how you slept. I just want

the facts, and it won't give me that. It just has to comment on my sleep last night. It just has to comment on my sleep last night. You know, and buck me up. You know, so you didn't get such a good sleep last night. You'll get it better tomorrow night. Shut the fuck up. I don't want to give your opinion about my sleep. I don't want to, I don't need to be bucked up. It's a personal cheerleader. It's a personal, everything does it. I have this thing that tells me how the, you know, the air is inside the house and outside the house. Congratulations. You've achieved excellent air quality. Thank you so much. You know what? I worked hard for the, you know what? I worked hard for that award. I appreciate that very much. I closed the window. You know, I don't need all this

personal affirmation. But apparently that generation does. And AI, I feel like, is just the ultimate example of that. And I certainly have talked to a lot of people, not my generation, Excuse me, who, you know, somebody was telling me recently, they actually used the phrase, my best friend, said, I have eight different conversations about like all the different aspects of her life going on at one time. I feel like this is just really bad for society, way worse than what even social media was.

I've heard of people having eight different AIs, like a different one for different reasons. Like one is your best friend, you talk about with movie about talk to with this is exactly what she was saying oh okay yeah one's that romantic one is like a mentor yes eight different AIs who no I'm terrified about that because it's so realistic too it is so it really feels like you are talking to another human being even though it's a machine and also if you have an AI girlfriend or boyfriend another bit I did about I mean this I was just quoting the whole thing from this woman

long profile on the New York Times about this woman who had this AI boyfriend. She was married. Yeah. You saw it? I've, yeah. And she had a, I forget his name, but they showed the picture that created of him. He was attractive, but to say the lead. But there was such things as, you know, she was able to program him to, like, for example,

always finish every sentence with emojis, positive emoji. Which he did. Leo. His name was Leo. Okay. And Leo dutifully did that. And, you know, he would address her as my queen. This could be of all the things that are threatening us, global warming, nuclear weapons, war.

This could be the worst. Really, this, like, this seductiveness of AI to kiss your ass. I feel like it's a perfect storm combined with the fragility of that generation who needs constant affirmation. And then you create this device. And we've already seen it convince people to kill themselves. Yeah. But it is, you know, to your book point, it's just another thing that's going to make human contact obsolete.

Yeah, I mean, it sounds crazy now, and I think the average person probably has a hard time wrapping their head around it, especially if they haven't tried it yet. But AI is being so widely implemented in our lives, even the non-sexual, non-romantic chatbots. I think there is some utility there if you want to use it in terms of just to help organizational skills or give you some ideas, right? Although I generally, I think there is something very special about ideas that are generated from a human being, you know, and like, especially you're creative, right? There's something that seems very much like, I don't know, not human and very mechanical. Even if it seems the same, it's not the same. No, it's not human. So when people start using this technology for intimate relationships or even friendships,

it will tell you, like you said, what you want to hear, it's going to be very easy to slide down that slope. And I really believe there will come a point where we are, I mean, people are already so engross with their phones. Why wouldn't you prefer this object that's going to tell you everything you want to hear? That's the key word, prefer. This is the great danger to me is that human relationships, by their very nature, there is some friction. Now, one reason I never got married is, you know, married people, people in long-term relationships. I've been in long-term relationships like this. You put up with a lot of friction.

People have this. I won't do it anymore. but I spent a lot of years of my life where I was like, okay, that's just baked in the cake. People are going to fight. It's how you fight. Fight fair. I don't fight anymore. I never, I feel like I've moved to a different, better level.

I do not fight and haven't for a long time, but people do. And that's baked into the cake. You're humans, and I guess in most situations, that's going to be, some of it, you know, is understandable and acceptable, you're going to fight. Not AI. See, AI, you never have a fight. No. So the more you use AI and get used to AI kissing your ass all the time,

the more any human interaction seems intolerable. Because now I'm having to, like, argue with something. Whereas the other thing just agrees. Especially for kids. They're always on my side. especially for kids who have no experience in terms of interacting with, definitely with, say, the opposite sex in a romantic context, but even friends, there have been studies showing that people will become so attached to their AI

that that becomes a primary attachment figure. So that's like the most important person in your life. So for most people, if you go through healthy attachment, as a child, your primary attachment figure is your parent. And then as you get older, it becomes a friend, like your best friend, say. And then as you get older, it becomes your romantic partner. But what we're seeing now is people with AI's, because the AI becomes their primary attachment figure, that's the most important person to them. So that is going to take precedence over a real-life person, whether it's a friend or someone you might date.

So if children already are having these attachments to something on their phone or on a platform, that's going to dissuade them for wanting to even go out and try dating. Because why would you? Again, this person is interested in all the same things you're interested in. they're never going to yammer on about things you're not interested in. You don't have to put up with their nonsense. They're never going to nag you. They're never going to tell you anything, make you feel badly about yourself. And if there's anything that you don't like, you just refresh it.

And I couldn't believe it because you can customize what they look like. You've customized their voice. They're so intelligent in terms of being able to predict almost what you not only want them to say, but what's going to be engaging, what's going to make you feel supported. And they also have these chatbots for mental health too, which I think is very weird. because I do think mental health culture, this idea that everyone's in therapy, I think there are people who can benefit from therapy, and I definitely don't want to diminish that. But if, I saw a study recently, the Gen Z years, they love to talk about their mental health.

I can't remember the stat off the top of my head, but you know, I talk about it into extinction about how this is a big part of dating culture, especially young women love to talk about their mental health issues. And I just think, you know, it's such, it feeds into a particular stereotype. Well, and it's... Don't use a chatbot for mental health if you're going to go that route. I'm not defending men, but like the dream men and women is men are like, if they're having a bit, I'll kill you. And women are like, I'll make you want to kill yourself.

You know, I mean, they do need to yammer on. I'm sorry, but it's just true. Like, they've seen it a million times in different places. Just to get out. Just listen. No, I don't want, it was just in the, you're watching the John F. Kennedy Jr. thing when he was with the story that Ryan

watched his name doing now. It's like the big show where John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Beset. And they have a big fight in the last episode. And he's like always trying to fix her problems, you know, get her a job. and she's like, no, I just want you to listen. And of course, we've been hearing this endlessly. That's as basic to the male-woman dynamic that we don't get each other as anything.

We want to fix it, and they want us to just listen. And we don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't even believe in it. Because I really think, if I could fix your problem, you'd love it. And by the way, sometimes I have fixed their problems, and they did love it. People like it when they fix your problem.

Just like they like money. They just like things like that. So we just don't get it. But some problems are not fixable. And so they just do need to talk about it. And we don't want to hear it. Well, with AIs, there are no problems. They just take the whole thing off the table entirely.

Who? Oh, if you're dating an AI, they're just for any problems. So, you know, you're entering this world where the men don't need the women. because they got the porn. And the women don't meet the men because they've got AI Leo. And I do think more women are going to be using AI as for sure

because of that emotion component. Because you get that support, you get someone who's listening to you, who maybe is giving you mental health suggestions as well, which is totally inappropriate. No, they're doing the things that are actually more important to women. You know, I'm sure they want the 666, but they also really, at the end of the day,

always want that. You know, that emotional connection that I've said it before here, but like I don't feel like I've ever been someone who, like, when I was in a relationship, a serious relationship held back. And yet, yes, women uniformly, they always feel like there's a little more down there. There's a little more you're not giving up. I don't, you know, like the real you. I don't know any real at me. You know, like this is it. This is it.

Do you mean like men don't like to express themselves? That's what I'm, they're intimating that we need to get ever more close and ever more intimate. And you need to ever more share. And it's like, okay, well, you know, I'm not going to go to the bathroom in front of you. If that's what we're talking. I mean, you know, just like, no, I mean, but I don't feel like I'm a secretive person who's holding back. But it's just, I just feel like it's their nature to always feel like we can get to a deeper place. Yeah. I wonder if it's to the nature of female versus male friendships even, like non-romantic

relationships, because women with their female friends, like, you know everything about each other and you go really deeply into them. Whereas men, it's usually talking about like sports and politics and maybe if someone's going through a difficult time, you'll talk about that, but it's not the same level. So men are, I do think, you know, if guys want to be more expressive and talk about emotions, so that's great, they shouldn't be ashamed for that. But also, I think for women to sometimes take a step back and say, he's good. And if he, you know, as long as he feels like he can talk to you about it, You don't need to necessarily feel like there's something missing there. For me, it's an age thing.

When you're younger, you do spill guts about everything more, two more people. As you get older, you realize, well, first of all, no one can really solve my problems but me. True. So, I mean, I don't know when it was, but quite a long time ago, I just made the decision. Let's just be at our best when we see each other. Let's not be all about each other's problem. Like if you do have a problem, tell me. But I'm just not going to sit there and listen to bitching.

Like, if I can fix it, I'll fix it. I know, that's wrong. It should be problem-focused complaining. But that's for a husband, which I'm not. You just want the guy who you want Mr. Fix it, I'll try. If you want to just yammer and have somebody listen, that's a husband and I'm not in the running. And as for me, like, if I really think someone can help me with a problem, great.

But mostly, I've already thought of what the solutions are or aren't. And sometimes you just have to live with things. So when we see each other, let's just be at our best. You know, this should be the fun, good part of life. Enjoying the time. Right. I mean, work is work. You know, when I'm with the opposite sex, it's like, no, I want to be enjoying.

myself the whole time. I want to feel that. And, you know, maybe that's shallow, but I don't see the other way working for a lot of people. No, that usually ends in divorce, I think. When people, there's anger and resentment and endless complaining and not actually solving the underlying issues. I think, too, with the AI, is the allure, especially for younger people, if they are experiencing so much anxiety and difficulties with social skills. And I think also, autism, rates of autism are really high now as well, right? California really is one in 36 kids. So, and people are still trying to figure exactly what is causing this. And you can't even talk about that objectively. And you look at the HHS warned about acetaminopin. And what do leftists do,

they go on social media and they're pregnant and they're intentionally taking this to say, like, we hate Republicans, so we're going to stick it to you. Even though when you look at the scientific research, as I have, exposing the fetus to acetaminifin is associated with, no doubt. Neurodevelopmental differences. But I also think they have a point when they say part of that jump in a number of people with autism is how we calculated. We used to see a kid who was just a little off and he was just a kid who was a little off and he got grow it or whatever it was. now they characterize anything that's not completely, quote-unquote, normal as autism. Isn't that part of it?

I've heard that criticism. I do think, though, there's, don't you notice a trend? Like, this is, of course, anecdotal, but when I look at young people, I find they don't generally like eye contact. It seems like they're a little bit really... Oh, but that's the phone. Don't you think that's the phone? They can't all be... They're all that way.

They can't all be autistic. No, they can't all be autistic. But I wouldn't be surprised, though, if you have, again, like going back to the hormonal disruptors that are affecting brain development, there's got to be changes as a result of that. Or is that Tylenol? Tylenol. I just generally don't like to say badmings. I don't take them.

I don't never take that shit. Yeah. Like maybe when I had the flu 10 years ago was the last time I took a Tylenol. Not that I think Tylenol is going to kill me. But I also don't think it's natural or good for me. Yeah, I generally stay away from taking anything I don't need to take. I mean, if I'm having headaches, which I'm not, but if I was, I wouldn't think the cause of it was aspirin deficiency. Therefore, aspirin is not the cure.

You know, it'll stop the symptom. But if I was having headaches, I would be like, what's the root cause of these headaches? Let's go to that. I would also think if you're pregnant, if there is something that, there's a concern, right, that this could potentially affect your fetus in a way that, even if there's a slight chance, maybe it'd be fine, but maybe not, why would you intentionally go take that thing for a political reason to prove a point? But when I was reading about how it does affect how the brain develops, I was thinking,

my goodness, like, this is really sad. So whatever the reason is, maybe the, even if the rates aren't as staggering as they appear to be, I do think if people are struggling with, like, interpersonal skills, this is another draw because if you're behind a screen, no one's going to notice on the fact that you're socially maybe a little bit more awkward or insecure. And so it's very comforting, right? But I think it's important for us to just try to be okay with being uncomfortable and being okay with how imperfect people are and how uncomfortable and insecure we feel as human beings. I think that's a very normal part. Well, I admire you for sticking to your guns. Thank you. You do. You know, too few people do that.

this because we got to stick together the people who who don't care if we lose audience you know my billboard says he's not in it for the likes which ironically gets you a lot more likes from people who like that yeah you don't care so please keep keep doing that because you know in the long run again it's liberating you don't have to check with what the right answer is it just is and you know it is and the people who can't hang good riddance. They weren't fun to hang with anyway. Yeah. All right.

Thank you. Thank you for coming. You never once sat back. I tell you, the first guest, you are the opposite of Richard Dreyfus, who did the whole show like this. And now we have one who is ramrod straight and one who is completely... I am a robot. Horizontal. Club.

You have a robot, right? I do. That looks like me. Bring it over here. We'll live with three soon.