Club Random with Bill Maher - Jillian Michaels | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Post Super Bowl, perfect time to talk Ozempic with Jillian Michaels! Bill and Jillian on the Big O, the time Bill had Jillian’s back, Bill’s Joe Rogan experience, why coffee is key, chemicals in o...ur lives, Big Pharma’s role in our daily lives, whether alkaline vs. acidic is BS, the validity of Blue Zones, whether believing in God makes you live longer, what L.B.D. stands for, overreactions and health scares, how everything is about labeling yourself, and much, much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Are you happier in Florida? It feels less crazy. Here you go. Florida's less crazy. Yeah. Hear me out. Hear me out on this. This is the kind of stuff and I...
Starting point is 00:00:11 Oh my God. I'm sitting with my daughter and I'm like, was it too late? I needed a trigger warning for that piece of information. No, no. You know, if I could say one thing that I wanted to thank you for, for probably four years now.
Starting point is 00:00:26 What am I doing? When the whole situation happened where I said I did not celebrate Lizo being obese, because I would hate for her to get diabetes. Right. Not only did no one say anything in the public eye, right, at all behind the scenes, like totally agree, wink, wink.
Starting point is 00:00:44 You were the only person who had my back sounds like me you went on rogan and you're like did you see this Jillian Michael said this is crazy and I was well you know I've been raked over the coals even more than you perhaps I'm sure for that issue. You must have been aware that James Corden fewed. No, a little bit about it. I know a little bit about it. Refreshed my memory, but he's a bit different. Oh, well, I did an editorial about obesity
Starting point is 00:01:15 and he was like painted me as mean man. And of course, it was all things that were true. No cheap shots. Of course not. Forgive me. Well, I mean all things that were true. No cheap shots. Of course not. Forgive me. No, you could. I mean, I certainly. Just go over it.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Jared, there we go. Go on. We're reading submissions of them. No, I wanted to avoid that. But it was a frank discussion of, I think, it started with the, I think it was during the 20, no, the 18 campaign and they were all talking about healthcare.
Starting point is 00:01:47 And I said, you know, it started with no healthcare program. Nobody's not Bernie, not Hillary, not all, nobody's healthcare is gonna work unless the people participate in being healthy. And Americans just basically flat out refuse, of course, role individuals, many do not. But just as a society, I feel like they just, no, and I certainly have done it with drinking and drugs.
Starting point is 00:02:11 You know, I didn't do it with food, but I am not better, I'm just different. You know, I did it for too long. I've had way too much liquor in my life, not anymore really. Would you like a drink? I'm gonna have one. Here's the problem.
Starting point is 00:02:23 I would normally have one, but I don't think I can keep up with you on my daughter's EDD medication with you five drinks in. So I've had a double espresso just to try to play tongue food with you for 90 minutes. Wait, so that's your drug coffee? Yeah, caffeine, 100%. I must say, like I spent the first 40, 45 years of my life indifferent to coffee. And like then you, at a certain point,
Starting point is 00:02:55 first of all, you understand why as a kid, you are no interested in it because you're bouncing off the walls anyway. Absolutely, yes, 100%. Then you get older and it's like, you know, yeah, you need your little... It's a tool for me. I use it strategically with regard to fitness. Even now speaking to you, it allows me to access my vocabulary more effectively because
Starting point is 00:03:19 some days it's like... But do you do it all day? I do 200 milligrams, about 30 minutes. Milligram, we don't drink it? I do, but I know exactly how much is in the cup. Oh, of course you do it all day? I do 200 milligrams, about 30 minutes. You don't drink it? I do, but I know exactly how much is in the cup. Oh, of course you do. Okay, so I have one cup, a healthy one, but one for- Is it organic?
Starting point is 00:03:38 Yeah, I think so. Perfect. Yeah, why wouldn't I? It does matter. I mean, oh, of course it does. But, you know, yeah, I mean, the word organic is under assault. So like when they say organic was I out there with Juan Valdez, I mean, did did somewhere along the line, the Hootie Pirates switch this up with who knows, you know, shit that's
Starting point is 00:03:59 comes all the way from around the world. And like really nobody along the way. We see all these caravans of desperate migrant, nobody along the way from around the world, and like really nobody along the way, we see all these caravans of desperate migrants, nobody along the way, fucked with anything, I don't know. But it's mitigating the chemical load, at least somewhat. I think we both believe health, you have to win on the molecular level.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Yeah. And that's hard to do in this, in the world we live in for many, when we're not out there picking our own food we gotta trust other people and I don't and even even when you try the hardest to keep things clean it's just not a clean world I mean America causes cancer. True however if you think about it It causes cancer. True, however, if you think about it as a total toxic load,
Starting point is 00:04:48 if you can mitigate it effectively, here, there, green laundry detergent, potentially has chemicals in your coffee. You said it, you mitigate it. You mitigate it as best you can. As best you can, well, of course you can do it. I mean, there's something like 50,000, I think. I may be way off on this,
Starting point is 00:05:06 but I think I read that somewhere. New chemicals or chemicals that hadn't been around. Darin O'Lean talks about this. He has a whole hundred of them. A hundred years ago. Was that around the right figure? It's something astronomical. It's something, yes.
Starting point is 00:05:17 To the point that you check out of the number, but it's obscene. Well, and of course, maybe hundreds of them are just slight variations on the same one and shit like that. I mean, there's ways to manipulate. But one is actually enough to cause cancer. But the point is, things are not onaturail as they once were.
Starting point is 00:05:34 But we also have antibiotics. I mean, look, on balance, it's better. We live longer than when you died because you got a splinter. Absolutely true. I mean, I'm glad there's antibiotics in the world. I just don't want to have to take them. But that's everything with health and medicine, right? There's a cost-benefit analysis to everything.
Starting point is 00:05:54 So, you know, I always tell my kids, listen, if you come down with MRSA, we are going to the hospital and I'm going to put Cipro in every orifice of your body. But, you know, we're not going to prophylactically treat a cough with antibiotics for all of the following reasons and all the negative side effects. Everything with this stuff is a cost-benefit analysis, medication, vaccines, all of those things health-related.
Starting point is 00:06:23 You know, we all are the same, made of the same shit, but it's so obvious that we just have these variations, which is one reason why I think we're on the same page about vaccines and stuff, not an anti-vaxxer, but like everything should be on a case-by-case because I'm so different than you. It's also a question of what's necessary. So for example, you know, a lot of people have opinions about RFK. I'm going to stay on this point here and not go off piece. But when he talks about giving kindergartners a hepatitis B vaccine, which is for drug users
Starting point is 00:07:02 and people who have risky sex. Wait, who's RFK? Robert Kennedy Jr. Must be against this. He's against giving six year old, yeah, Kenner Burners, exactly. So when he talks about the fact that Big Pharma was like, how are we gonna recoup our money
Starting point is 00:07:20 that we put into developing this vaccine? Let's get it mandated for five-year-olds. Really? Because of course every vaccine is going to have side effects. They just do. Now, polio, measles, 100%, hepatitis B for a kinder owner, no fucking way. Sometimes, I mean, every medical intervention has side effects of some kind or else it wouldn't work. You know, it's moving something around in you. That's what I'm always saying to the people who argue with me about this is I just feel like they're overconfident of how much they think we know.
Starting point is 00:07:54 When I say we, I mean humans at this moment in history. And we just don't know that much. So what are the confluence of things that could be involved in this certain outcome, many of which we don't know? Why, you know, cancer? Until we like solve that big one, oh, like so the worst, most awful one,
Starting point is 00:08:16 we don't have a handle on that yet, but everything else, I'm just gonna go, okay, well, you must know. You know, you know some stuff, we certainly know more than we did. We know more every day. I mean, how much of that knowledge also gets down to the level of whoever's treating you?
Starting point is 00:08:33 That's another story. You know, I mean, and that's the thing. And one of my big points is doctors disagree. Like why are your doctors better than my doctors? Yeah, there's lots of doctors who descend, right? Yeah. There's, listen, I deal with a lot of doctors all the time and interview them regularly. Right, of course. Books for my podcast. That said, there's a certain type of training that doctors are given and generally people come to them
Starting point is 00:09:05 after already becoming sick. So the question becomes, what are we gonna do about your diabetes? Okay, let's throw this drug at it, let's throw that drug at it and it becomes whack-a-mole because each drug creates a side effect that needs another drug. And by the time you're 60 years old,
Starting point is 00:09:21 you're on 12 different medications. None of them, curing any of the problems, they were designed for. I rarely contest people when they say, oh, this does what it's supposed to, yeah, it does what it's supposed to. Vaccines generally do what they're supposed to, antibiotics do what they're supposed to,
Starting point is 00:09:39 chemotherapy does what it's supposed to. I'm interested in what else does it do? And you are the first person who I've heard of who is now, I've heard nothing but encomiums about Osempic. But I trust that you've done the research. What is your... Yeah. So the first thing is you don't need to trust me because I am not transacting in opinions. Right. because I am not transacting in opinions. Right, right. So I am simply outlining the facts for people,
Starting point is 00:10:08 encouraging you to Google it, do your own homework on the things that I say, and then make the decision for yourself. Right. So I wanna back into this one and give you our best case scenario, instead of being like, ah, I know you're dropping,
Starting point is 00:10:22 your butt's gonna fall off your body. Okay, let's back into it. You are one of the 50% that has zero side effects. I feel great, never felt better. So that's it, 50% has zero side effects? At least 50% are gonna have gastrointestinal issues. Vomiting, constipation, diarrhea, and then it gets more nefarious.
Starting point is 00:10:42 But I'm backing into it from the sunlight here, right? Before we get into stomach paralysis, intestinal blockage, and pancreatitis, getting done. So those are other sides? Oh, that's a whole shit. I haven't even gone there yet for you. We'll go there.
Starting point is 00:10:56 We're going the best. First, I'm gonna tell you what your best case is. Ugh, I feel great. I have no symptoms. Amazing. Right. I've lost a ton I have no symptoms. Amazing. Right. I've lost a ton of weight.
Starting point is 00:11:07 Right. Amazing. Okay. Now we're 18 months into it and you will plateau. It's not a question. Right. It's not my opinion. Sure.
Starting point is 00:11:18 It's fact. Hashtag let me Google that for you, right? Yes. So now you've plateaued. Now the thing I think people decide to interject but people sometimes don't know is that many drugs have, we would call it in politics, a sunset clause, like they end, like I know someone who's on, they have a pill for lung cancer,
Starting point is 00:11:36 and it does amazing things, but it does sunset. The body is homostatic. It does stop working at some point. For that reason, right? The body is like, oh, we've been doing this exogenously, so I'm gonna make some endogenous adjustments. And you will find homeostasis. Not a question.
Starting point is 00:11:54 So now you have a plateau and it stops working. Okay, well, you can't get off of it ever. And all of the meta-analysis, all of them, show that you will gain all of the weight back two thirds within the first year alone and then some hashtag quote devastating weight regain rebound. Yo-yo dieting on crack.
Starting point is 00:12:18 I can tell you all the mechanisms for which this is happening. So why isn't this being talked about more? Why are you... This one, you're the pioneer getting... Yeah, here's the problem. All of the doctors quietly that I were with on the DL feed me the information.
Starting point is 00:12:34 But the problem is some of them are at Stanford, some of them are at Harvard. Sure, no, no. They get grant money from these companies. And also people are such sheep. And once this became like the miracle drug, I call it the one true opinion, then that becomes anointed as the one true opinion.
Starting point is 00:12:50 And a lot of media is in the pocket. I used to do bits and... 65% funded by Big Pharma. I used to do a bit in my act about the evening news that was very funny, I always remember it, but it was basically that every, it's not the news that made me want to kill myself every night, it was the commercials.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Everything was people who I can't shit, I can't breathe. But you know that that commercial? All ads for pharmacy, But the narrative though Bill. But pharmaceutical drugs funded the night, I don't know if they still do. Top 65% of the advertising dollars. You know, restless leg syndrome and fucking, you know.
Starting point is 00:13:26 100%. Pills that you don't even know what they're selling. It's just some chicken or wheat field. Like, and she looks happy and it's like, get this shit, you'll be happier. Okay, but here's what they're actually buying. They're buying the episode of 60 Minutes where Dr. Fatima Cody-Stanford,
Starting point is 00:13:42 who's a paid spokesperson for Novo Nordisk, is parroting research paid for by Novo Nordisk, and the anchor was like, mm-hmm, uh-huh, oh. No, I mean, it's insanity. Again, it's like very- It's a commercial for the drug. What I was saying before, people are scared. This is a subject that scares them. They wanna believe the people in the white coats are pure and they have the answers and
Starting point is 00:14:09 they couldn't be corrupt. And they spend tens of millions buying doctors. People, unhealthy people is also a business. I'm not saying that they're twirling their mustache and flaunting their cape and just plotting to this specifically. It's got a compound annual growth rate of 9% as an industry. Can I strongly recommend? Do you think they have cures that they don't tell us about? Cures for things like herpes? Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Really? You think there's a herpes cure and they don't tell us? Let's think about this for a second, shall we? Because they're selling so much of whatever. So much of overacts. But who's, I find that hard to believe actually. Really? They've got a vaccine, not cures, but vaccines. They've got a vaccine for chickenpox. They've got a vaccine for shingles.
Starting point is 00:14:49 They've got a vaccine for HPV. That's the same thing. Why don't you have a vaccine for herpes? Because. Herpes, oh right. It's a. It's the same, it's a. Well, it's a similar one. It's a similar, exactly.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Singles and chickenpox is the same virus. Herpes that people get outbreaks on their face, that's simplex too, I think. I don't even remember. I'm pretty sure if you can come up with that. Right. And you can come up with a COVID vaccine in nine months. You can handle this one with a COVID.
Starting point is 00:15:13 But how do you actually suppress that? How do you, I mean, Who was paying for the research? And why would you? Because wouldn't you make a fortune selling the cure for herpes? I think you would. So I don't, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:26 So I think what they catch them like, what they caught the Sackler family and they got something like an $8 billion fine for selling the, for pushing opioids, for pulling oxycontin. Okay, but it was sort of out in the open what they were doing. It wasn't.
Starting point is 00:15:41 It went on for decades and the doctors didn't stop prescribing it. Right. But I don't think they have a cure for cancer because I think it would be... Cancer in no way. It's so complicated. It's so complicated. It's a bit of a different beast. Right. Is there a cure for obesity? Obesity is multifactorial. So let's play the downsides of ozympic. Now I gave you your rosy scenario and here's the problem. It will plateau. Right. And you can never get off of it or you'll have a horrendous rebound.
Starting point is 00:16:07 So where do you net out in your busky scenario? You're going to be in the same position. If I put you in a time capsule and I got you three, four, five years down the road, we're going to be right back where we were, but potentially with... And philosophically, here's my other big problem with Western medicine. It likes to put everything, it compartmentalizes, which is the opposite of holistic. Now, holistic doesn't mean I believe everything that some shaman says, but the idea that the body works as a whole I completely buy into, because I've seen it.
Starting point is 00:16:40 And it's intuitively obvious. So anything you do, like ozempic, okay, it's working. It's working, but other things in your body are changed from it. Oh, without question. Right, and that's what I'm always, the question I'm always asking, like, do you think vaccines cause,
Starting point is 00:16:57 no, I don't think vaccines cause cancer. What I think is you don't know what causes cancer, and we do a lot of different things that, who knows, maybe like vaccine plus X, whatever it is, if you had many vaccines and you have this factor, then because cancer is just- But they know what it does, it's on the website. It's about what is, you know, it's like-
Starting point is 00:17:20 This is actually far more concrete. I'm just saying, until you tell me what causes cancer, I don't know what different elements might contribute to it in what form. So I'm going to try to stay as natural as I can. Now, I can't always do that, but that should be my choice to try to do that. Okay, so that's why I would never do ozempic.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Well, so the side of this that is far less rosy, right, is that you're somebody who experiences one of the more common side effects, diarrhea, constipation, nausea, vomiting, right, then you've got muscle loss and it's pretty significant. In fact, Dr. Peter Atzi, I came out and said that he's seeing muscle loss at a quote, alarming rate in the dexascans of his patients. There's a bone density problem with it. On the website, pancreatitis, kidney failure, gallbladder issues, vision loss, stomach paralysis, intestinal blockage. The fact that it sometimes appears as a bad side effect in so many different areas tells
Starting point is 00:18:28 me again about holistic medicine. Like, they'll do a study, you know, well it affects the gallbladder. Yeah, in this person it did. It probably affects adversely what that person's weak part is. I don't know what the person's profile is, but what I'm saying is like, a lot of things in your body, they're opportunistic, and they will go where it's weak. For you, it might be the gallbladder. Somebody else had affected their-
Starting point is 00:18:54 Thyroid tumors, I forgot that one. Whatever, right. We don't know why it's doing that. We don't know what's going on in there, but that basically is what's going on in there. You're giving it an opportunity to go somewhere and do some damage. And maybe you'll be lucky and it won't,
Starting point is 00:19:11 because you're the kind, but until we have those answers, let me make those decisions. I wanna give you one more thing on this. Okay, how does it work? It works by curbing appetite, right? So it's facilitating weight loss by allowing you to eat less. Okay, so we know that eating less is going to facilitate weight loss.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Now that we know this, that's the only mechanism by which it's facilitating weight loss. And any other benefits, they profess to be associated with this drug like heart health, which will happen on something called a Twinkie diet, meaning you can eat pure shit. If you eat less of it and you lose weight, you'll get the exact same benefits. The mechanism for improved health is weight loss. Now then, why are people unable to control their appetite? And this is where you need to look at what is going on with the environment
Starting point is 00:19:57 and what is going on with the food and what is going on in their head. This is the shit that we need to deal with. It isn't about judging people. It isn't about an easy way out. It's about getting to the root of the problem, even people, a real solution without the hazards of potential side effects. And at the end of the day, your breast case scenario doesn't play out in three, four, five years anyway.
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Starting point is 00:24:36 which is, this is not controversial. It's just like, so like I'm working from this place, I feel like my understanding of medicine and it's just very different from theirs. So when I, you know, you're joking about something where you have to first convince them of the premise. They're not with you on the premise yet. No, they're not unplugged from the matrix. But then they, when they laugh at the punchline, they realize, oh, okay, that must be true, because I laugh. Because, you know, It's true that every joke. Yeah, there's truth in joke.
Starting point is 00:25:10 100%. So like, but it is, it is more of a heavy lift than any other subject. I mean, people just, I think what it is, is that what scares people, death and sick, you know, and, and sick and dying is even worse. So like, it's a very scary subject. So it's just more comforting to believe there's this priesthood and their white, you know, medical garb with the santhuscope around their neck. And these high priests have all the answers about your health. So just, you know, whatever they say, they're the doctor. And you're not, and no one else could possibly. That is the number one thing.
Starting point is 00:25:51 And they just have this exalted view of how much more they must know. I mean, yes, I didn't go to medical school. I'm sure there are things they know. They're also blind about a lot of shit and prove it all the time. What's interesting is a lot of the doctors that I'll speak to talk about exactly that.
Starting point is 00:26:08 How I'll talk to Dr. Casey Means, who's absolutely incredible. She's one of the founders of this company called Levels, where they monitor your glucose constantly. And she's just amazing woman. And she was saying how she started talking about prevention, diet and exercise, and they were making fun of her.
Starting point is 00:26:26 And she's like, really? Seriously? This is a joke? A lot of the doctors that take that upstream-est viewpoint, I don't know if you've seen that TED Talk, where you've got bodies in the water, And people are rushing in to save these bodies and they're doing triage, which is medicine as we know it, right, drugs, symptoms, drugs, symptoms. But then one person goes, hold on, I'm gonna go upstream
Starting point is 00:26:54 and find out why there's all these bodies in the water. And that's upstream as medicine. There are very few doctors that practice that way. So you watch TED Talk? Constantly. Really? I've never seen a TED Talk. By the time I was about to watch one,
Starting point is 00:27:08 it had become like so like, like lampoon as douchey that I was like. What a big think. Do you do the big think talks? No, what's that? I don't even know what that is. Is that like, is that their rival? Kinda.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Really? Like monster trucks versus super monster trucks? Give up for intellectuals like big thing they got all his scientists I'm sure I you know what I get my most most my medical news in the inquire and I know this seems wrong but like they do have a little They do have a little medical. Teach me, explain it to me. Hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I know this is gonna sound crazy. I'm gonna dig it on this one. I'm gonna take the bait. The choir and the globe. They have a medical page and it's just a few paragraphs. And of course, because it's in these magazines, you think this is crazy, it's not. It's just like the tip of the iceberg of some new discovery.
Starting point is 00:28:01 But if you then like Google this discovery and the doctor that they quote, you'll see it's a very real thing. Now, talking about coffee, like coffee has like the most amazing lobbyists. I mean, coffee gets a lot of press for like doing wonderful things. And I'm sure it does.
Starting point is 00:28:18 It's also acidic. We just like it, so who gives a fuck? Okay, I'm gonna keep doing it. I'm gonna keep doing it. I'm gonna keep doing it. I'm gonna keep doing it. But if you- buy into that one but but the acidic conversation with coffee How's it harming you? Think about how acidic your stomach is that whole alkaline water things from bullshit. Okay, not kind of total. You know me
Starting point is 00:28:40 I love Learning about this subject. So I don't know about this. I'm always open to the alternative view though. So you have to keep- Inflammatory would be something that you would worry about, right? Your body releasing inflammatory proteins and cytokines and what's gonna do that?
Starting point is 00:28:57 Sugar. Well, sugar we all agree is best. Sugar and then the buildup of all this dead tissue and excess body fat releasing. But you're saying coffee is not acidic or? It's not even a thing. It doesn't. A acidic isn't a thing?
Starting point is 00:29:12 Oh come on, that's not true. How so? What's it going to be? Well, if your pH is too acidic. How is your pH going to become too acidic? There's no such thing. Your stomach, like all the alkaline water and all that stuff, all bullshit. Wow, that is an alternative.
Starting point is 00:29:27 I'll send you a TED talk. No, I promise, in all honesty. No, treat me like Reagan, put it on one page. You got it. But I do promise you, total bullshit. The pH of your stomach is so friggin acidic, you're never gonna alcoise that. What do you want to?
Starting point is 00:29:44 Well, okay, we're kinda talking about two different things. Yeah, it's true, your stomach itself. What is your concern then? Well, your stomach itself is like a pH of 3.5, which is like a volcano. It is. For the pH fans who forgot, seven is right in the middle. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Eight would be two alkaline. Okay, what's gonna change the page of your stomach though outside of like, well, you said, I'll tell you, if you are to alkaline, that's bad, agreed. Very bad. But what's going to make you so you're saying it's okay to be too acidic, but I'm saying coffee won't tip that scale. You said the whole thing is bullshit. And it's certainly not bullshit. If you have a very high alkaline, you very likely will get more urinary tract infections because you do not, it means that is a very conducive atmosphere for bacteria.
Starting point is 00:30:37 I'm saying. Acidic is not conducive to bacteria. Eating food in an attempt to control your body's pH, like coffee changing the to control your body's pH, like coffee changing the pH of your body, that's bullshit. Now, again, that is- Photompomponavider, yes, things like that. What? So medication.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Oh. Yeah, so you have all that acid reflux. Oh, here's this medication, but then it begets itself because your body's trying to overcome it. So what you eat doesn't matter? If you eat complete shit food and you destroy your microbiome... What do you eat? What's your diet? Consense.
Starting point is 00:31:13 Really? Yeah. So you don't eat like a crazy keto or... Keto is also bullshit. You have like mash protect... Keto is bullshit. It's total... Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:23 Well, it's never been meant, and serious people who talk about keto, do not talk about it like something that you would do as your regular diet. If you have advanced type II diabetes or epilepsy and you're under a doctor supervision for a finite period of time, okay, fine. And it's like, ah, all these things improved. Cause you stopped eating fucking McDonald's, dude.
Starting point is 00:31:46 It's a treatment, yeah. It's like, it's a treatment. But what I'm, go ahead, sorry. No, no, the bigger issue I'm trying to get with you, because this is very, to me, this is new to me, which is great. And maybe I'm behind, or maybe I'll do a deep dive into this. Maybe I need to start reading the inquire.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Oh, this chick is crazy. No, I know you are much more involved in the details than I am, that's why I have full respect for the point of view, I'll check it out. Think about, okay, why were people doing Kato? Well, bodybuilders did it back in the day, you know, it's funny. They also ate all day long.
Starting point is 00:32:26 We know that's not good for you. When do you mean they ate all day long? Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, well the whole thing is not good for you. Right, that's insane. So we're okay, so. Well, you look pretty jacked.
Starting point is 00:32:38 I normally, though. Really? Yes. I mean, you look like, I mean, look at those guns. You look, you must, I know that's what your thing is. You're famous for it. You know, you're doing a lot of pull-ups, right? Whatever you do.
Starting point is 00:32:52 You look great. That's what's important. But okay, but then I should be speaking of, right? If I was to be my own testimonial, when you look at something like Keto, this comes from, what was the original? The Atkins Diet. All of this stuff is just a bullshit spin
Starting point is 00:33:14 to prey on people's vulnerabilities. It is, oh, burns more fat. No, it doesn't. What doesn't? So for example, people were going on these diets because they thought they were going to lose weight more quickly. But isn't it better to run your body on fat than carbs?
Starting point is 00:33:30 It doesn't even work that way, Bill. You would have to be in a constant state of ketosis. It doesn't work that way. You know what, I mean, I- Isn't that what this is? If this, okay. If this is what keto looks like, maybe you'll convince me to try. I told me I was gonna it not what this is? If this, okay. If this is what Keto looks like, maybe you'll convince me to try.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I told me I was gonna get to ketosis with this. But that's not true. In fact, if you would even look at the blue zones, right? Yes, I do all the time. Okay, those diets are 65% complex carbohydrates. That's another thing I say and people are like, what? You know, so like- Dan Buener, amazing guy.
Starting point is 00:34:06 He's the one who, yeah. Do you respect him? Yeah, the- This guy's done a ton of homework on it. Right, that's, nothing is more valuable to me than information. I'm like Don Corleone. And so like knowing that there are places in this world
Starting point is 00:34:20 and this is what blue zones are, where people live routinely to a hundred. That's, it does, and I- What's the similarity in the diet? Is it keto? No fucking way, Bill. Right, no, no, right, right. But it's more than just, I mean, of course,
Starting point is 00:34:34 there are confluence of factors, not just diet. But there are- It's one of them is a, one of the blue zones is a fucking religious nuts place. It's a- But it's about faith, it's about faith. A connection to something deeper is the theme. Really?
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yeah, having a spirituality of faith. Well, I think everybody, most people in the world, most communities have faith. I'm an atheist, I'm the outlier. That is a growing movement. Yeah, for sure. Thanks mostly to me. That is a growing movement. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Thanks mostly to me. But most people in the world, I think you have to take that factor out because that's, a good scientist takes that out because it's not a good variable. People who eat shit have faith and people who don't eat shit and eat well have faith. Okay, but what? Humans mostly have faith. They who don't eat shit and eat well have faith. Okay, but...
Starting point is 00:35:25 Humans mostly have faith. They will profess to something, either a specific religion or they'll say, I'm spiritual or whatever it is. Okay. It's not just, no, this is it. I'd say meaning. Meaning is incredibly important for longevity, community, activity, and then there are just flat out some similar through lines in each and every one of these diets.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Yes, but it's not faith. It's what I'm saying. But I'm telling you this. Faith doesn't make you healthy because lots of fat, ugly, faith, not ugly. There is a robust amount of data behind this providing people with having that deeper sense of meaning and a sense of connection to something. I'm not one. But it's not going to make up for the food.
Starting point is 00:36:12 No, it's not. Okay. Maybe, yes. It's a confluence of factors. Okay. But I think you're looking into specifically what is good for health is de-stressing. Yes. People who find a way.
Starting point is 00:36:24 That doesn't have to be any kind of faith or God or spiritual. I have my ways of doing it. How much stress is the right amount in my life? Well, you know, zero would be good, but then you will be bored. You know, so it's a- I could argue that one with you too, believe it or not.
Starting point is 00:36:41 And people find other ways without religion or any kind of faith to like not have stress. It's the stress that's causing the inflammation. Okay? So it's not faith itself. It's anything that can get your brain in a place because your brain, I'm sure you would agree, affects your body. 100% agree with you.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Of course, we see it in this easy to prove examples, like when the blood drains out of your face when you're scared. Why is that happening? Because your body wants it in your legs so you could run faster. So it does if... So yeah, when your brain is not stressed too much, that is a huge health factor. Religion can help that, but you can do it other ways. You can do it other ways?
Starting point is 00:37:26 Absolutely. That's why I think the bigger picture is having meaning feeling connected to something, something that gives you a purpose. I mean, don't Rastafarians worship this? I mean, isn't that, didn't they? Do they live forever? There's a lot of,
Starting point is 00:37:41 God, to first hear on weed being at the house. Oh, well, tell me your take on that. I gotta know. You're not gonna like it. No, tell me. I don't subscribe. Oh, I understand. I think it's, I-
Starting point is 00:37:53 But you think it's very unhealthy? Okay. I've interviewed several- Give it to me straight, John. Personally for me- How long do I have? Okay, I haven't done a ton of homework on this one. Okay. So this is an opinion. Okay, so this is I have? Okay, I haven't done a ton of homework on this one. Okay.
Starting point is 00:38:06 So this is an opinion. Okay, so this is my opinion. No, I've done. I'm not transacting in facts. I've done field work, no homework. My feeling on it is that to smoke it, I think is terrible for you. And I would feel very confident saying so, right?
Starting point is 00:38:18 Cause you're taking smoke in here along. I've always said that. I'm not, I've never been sentimental about it. A lot of my hippie friends are, and they try to find ways, and I always say, it's not health food. I get that. It's just better than liquor. I would agree with you there. Maybe the trade-off is worth it, but I always say that, and I say it to all the kids out there. Anytime you're putting smoke in your lungs, it's not ideal. Yeah, that's not going to be good for you. I think people try to pass it off, it's like, ah, it's this panacea.
Starting point is 00:38:49 No. Anytime you have a health panacea. We don't say that about pot. Not you, but a lot of people will. People exaggerate probably the properties of CBD, but CBD plainly does help people. With what condition? Like arthritis.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Oh, maybe, maybe, but I've heard it all epilepsy all our fright is oh digestion oh cancer patient when you have something that cares everything that's when I'm like I don't know what this is a straw man argument there's no one is saying pop here's everything a lot of people do. You must be talking to people on the sidewalk wearing a sandwich board because I've never heard anyone who's- Are you talking to anybody 30 years old who smokes or eats it all the time? They will give you all the cases why it's God's gift to health. What are these, TikTokers?
Starting point is 00:39:39 I mean- Probably. Okay, well- I have a much younger brother who's trying to convince me. I'm serious, I'm telling you, like I, okay, well, okay, but I, I mean, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
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Starting point is 00:39:59 but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, The vaginal dryness went away. I'm like, what the fuck? I mean, look at that is out there. Your point is there's just a lot of randos out there. It's way more confident, you think.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Who believes stupid shit, I give up. You're right, there are. I mean, I hear that a lot. That's not even the dumbest thing they believe, although it's dumb. Yeah, no, CBD, I don't know. I mean, it's not a part of my diet. Well, I guess it's in the pot it is.
Starting point is 00:40:25 But yeah, look, you gotta live. I mean, and you gotta, I mean, life is a series of trade offs and choices. And I definitely have traded health for fun. I mean, I just do it way more. You look pretty healthy to me. So you're obviously making a lot of excellent choices. Yeah, well, you know what?
Starting point is 00:40:47 In other areas. I just cleaned up my act, I always say this, but it's a little like in sports where they say you take what the defense will give you. And when my body gave me, like at the age of 30, the ability to have 30 drinks a week, I did. And when my body said, you know, we'll give you 10, I took that.
Starting point is 00:41:08 And my body now says, you know, a few, you know, never more than two at a time. Same. You know, right, you know. I've never been able to do past two. I mean, I'm almost 70. My body has the right to say that to me. And I'd be, you can't win that battle.
Starting point is 00:41:25 So why fight it? People do, but it's done. I gotta be honest. I had no idea you were almost 70. And when we look at broad pit and everyone's like, God damn it, that guy looks amazing. I think you've got him and I've leaped some bounds. You, and I'm not, listen, I would go at you.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Bill, honestly, I would go at you. I'd be like, you ought to stop doing that, buddy. That's so fucking bad for you. You look amazing. Thank you. You're sharp as a fucking tack. You're fit as a fiddle. And I would love to lecture you about this stuff.
Starting point is 00:41:58 You seem to be doing everything right in large part. Well, I do, I mean, I fast twice a year. I crawl on five days. It's a long one, yeah,, I mean, I fast twice a year. How long? I crawl on for five days. It's a long one, yeah, I understand. Not a kind of that, they call it the fasting, mimicking diet, works for me, because I can't do a straight up one.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And so you get a little food, they swear it mimics a real fast. I think it does wonders. The research does, though. Only two, it does? Absolutely. I only eat two meals a day. Also.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Really good. So, I mean that kind of stuff, sleep, yes, get great, hardly ever have to wake up to an alarm, which I think is a huge sleep factor, to just naturally wake up. All of the doctors who specialize in sleep will say. Right. That if you have to be woken up
Starting point is 00:42:44 by an alarm, you're doing something wrong. Right. Nothing like waking up naturally with your dick in your hand. I can't speak to that one. You know, I trust you on that. So I mean, I think those are things. And then, you know, you have to want to live. I mean, I'm fortunate.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I mostly enjoy my life and I like doing what I'm doing. And it's, you know, you have to- Purpose? Yeah, purpose, exactly. You have to have a purpose. And, you know, even if you've a lot of, you know, you see in show business, a lot of times you have to drag people out
Starting point is 00:43:17 because it's like, it's mostly fun compared to work work. I mean, there is work and we work hard, but we enjoy our work. We're very lucky in that way. A lot of people, when you say job, it means something that you don't wanna go to. We don't think that about what we do. We like going to what we do.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Not a lot of people have that or not enough. I mean, it's, you know, and I know what's like to go to jobs like that when I was younger, you know, I went to a lot of shit jobs and it's like a job is different than a career. So if you have that, that's, and money is the hugest. Stressor. Stressor.
Starting point is 00:43:55 Yeah. They say in relationships, what do people fight about overwhelmingly? Is it money? Money is the one. I find it to be kids, but if it's. Kids is probably second. Kids has got to be so I see as someone who never got married. I have my first thought was all must be sex. People find about sex and I'm like now bill you have
Starting point is 00:44:16 that was somebody was doing like that you know I do you make your peace with not having a lot of time ago and then that's not what breaks as I was It's like, oh wow, I mean, I never made that choice. You know, you're married, right? I am married. How long have you been married? So I've been with my wife five and a half years. Wait, wife?
Starting point is 00:44:37 I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Surprise! But I am working out with my dick in my hand, Bill. Sorry, just sidebar. We've been married two years. Two years? Oh, you're a newlywed. And I never got married previously,
Starting point is 00:44:59 even to my ex, who I have two kids with, because I was just not a believer. You have two kids with an Oh wow. Because I was just not a believer. You have two kids with an ex. Yeah, she's a wonderful person. I just was not, I was anti-marriage. And then my current wife was like, listen. Isn't the divorce rate among lesbians the lowest? I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:45:21 I don't, in fact there's something called lesbian bed death, which is very real. You want to talk about fighting over sex? That shit is real. And... What is it? It's called lesbian bed death. Bed death?
Starting point is 00:45:39 Yep. What does it mean? It basically means that you just stop fucking. Oh, like regular marriage. I don't think it's bad. I think it's worse. I actually think it's worse. Okay, so this is just what I've been told.
Starting point is 00:45:53 So you just, again, school me when I'm wrong. Got it, fair. I mean, like just like I'm- Like just like Keto, okay. Just like I'm gonna do a deep dive into that health stuff you were telling me about. I will send you all these though. I'm gonna do a deep dive into this lesbian stuff. Wait, that came out wrong.
Starting point is 00:46:09 I've never considered myself a pro here. Yeah, but I mean, I think I could be helpful considering. I was told, and again, I probably have terrible information on both ends of this, but I was told somewhere along the way that lesbian marriages lasted longer because there wasn't like this great expectation of sex. So like they, they, Oh!
Starting point is 00:46:37 No? I don't think so. Okay, yeah. I know nothing about this. So like I'm a- I actually interviewed a sex therapist on my podcast and she was saying that women not only have as high of a sex drive as men,
Starting point is 00:46:52 but they also seek out new partners more than men. I don't know if it's true. I said the same shit. And I don't know if they need like strange, I don't know what it is. Like with my wife, it's kinda like- That is not my heterosexual experience. Maybe I've been very lucky.
Starting point is 00:47:08 I think I have, I think you attract a certain type. And all my life I wished I attracted like the slutty girl. And I was attracted to the nice girl. And I'm now, I'm like, oh good, it probably saved me from, I'm probably dead by now. I always wanted that. But like I've been very fortunate. I didn't ever attracted that like evil girl a couple of times but you know you know what are
Starting point is 00:47:28 you gonna do but... Toxic. Super interesting. So I don't see women that way. I see them as maybe I have them on a pedestal but I don't think they're... They are. I'm telling you. Oh, they're definitely especially modern girls, most modern girls, are, they just have an attitude that is brought up on by, I think, cynicism about, and I don't blame them one bit. Like, like men can do so little for me, and they do do so little for me.
Starting point is 00:47:57 They can't even approach me correctly. They're too scared to approach me. Everything has to go through the phone or whatever it is. They don't, you know, they're just lazy. Hey, you know, hey, what's up? Eggplant emoji, you know? This is like their whole rap and they just, they're just, I just hear this all the time.
Starting point is 00:48:16 They're just horrible. So women have a very cynical attitude, reinforced by the music and stuff forth. And it's a lot about like, buy me something. Or just, they just don't, they're so low expectation for actual romance, makes you very cynical. I can say that I have quite a few friends who are straight
Starting point is 00:48:40 and looking for love in all the wrong places, like the dating apps, unfortunately, is a recipe for disaster. And I've come to the conclusion that these apps, in large part, are guys that think they're just shopping. For girls, it's like, okay, well, they're almost less than human on these apps. Whereas if you meet someone in real life
Starting point is 00:49:02 where you share friends, your behavior is gonna be much better. Well, you don't even have to share friends. That's a nice way to do it, but that's not a prerequisite. But for me, You're gonna behave differently, I think. Human has to be human.
Starting point is 00:49:14 First of all, I don't understand these kids. I see like people I know, they send me whatever, I guess you put a little picture of yourself, like in the corner of, what am I thinking, a text thing or, I guess you put a little picture of yourself, like in the corner of what am I thinking of, text thing or I guess so. Yeah. Like whatever, and I see their picture and I'm like, you don't look like that.
Starting point is 00:49:33 I know you. You know, that's a very charitable, flattering version of yourself. AI generated by a face, how old is a face tune? AI generated is just they have these tricks for like 15 years. They can do shit, filters. They can AI generate your face now on face tune. I'm serious. But even before AI, it was not hard to just like fix it.
Starting point is 00:49:56 And it's like, well, why would I want to ever... Paul's advertising? Well, just not know what someone is and looks like for real and then probably it's going to be less probably who's going to make themselves look worse and then you're like oh I'm pleasantly surprised. I don't think that happens often. No, I can't speak to this in any sort of educated capacity
Starting point is 00:50:21 because my wife will say this all the time with friends that face human things. And she's like, why did they do this? Because they're going to meet this guy. And it's going to say, oh, you don't look like you're. I don't know really why people do it. But also, you have to, I think, to get a feel for somebody, literally be in the same room.
Starting point is 00:50:44 I will almost never do a satellite interview on real time because I just, I mean, yes, if it's Netanyahu and Israel, I will- You'll make an exception. Yeah, yeah, we make exceptions, but it's rare because it's just not as good an interview. It's just that you can't, you don't feel somebody, you can't look in their eye, timing, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:06 they're at the delay, so you can't like, maybe it's not a ping pong match, like it is in a real conversation. But you know most people don't do that anyway. How many interviews have you sat in where they have their cards and they know what they're gonna ask you? And they're like, so you got married last summer,
Starting point is 00:51:21 you're like, I'm sorry, my mother just died of cancer, I can't focus, and where was the wedding? And you're like, I'm sorry, my mother just died of cancer, I can't focus. And where was the wedding? And you're like, dude. No, I, no. Is it anybody whole? Like if people aren't switched on anyway, most people aren't, which is why you have excelled so much at what you do.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Oh, thanks. I mean, I love doing this because this is even more, I mean, real time I do a lot of preparation, but it is a completely off the cuff panel conversation. But this is a completely off-the-cuff panel conversation. But this is a whole new kind of way to just completely approximate exactly how I would be in life. I mean, I'm not cleaning up anything or planning anything. Or, you know, as I said before, when I went, uh, what were you talking about? I would never do that on real time.
Starting point is 00:52:01 You know, that's just not- I know, I see you in different ways. That's real life. Because I watch both. This is real life. Can I ask you something, though? As real as it gets. That I've been wondering for such a long time. You start out as a comedian, and I saw this poll the other day,
Starting point is 00:52:17 and it was like, who's the best man in news? And I thought, Jesus, what's that like to start out as- The most trusted I got from you. Yes, that was it. And I thought, what's that like? Just don't understand. Most trusted I got from yesterday. Yes, that was it. And I thought, what's that like to go from being a... I completely understand and I accept. How does that happen, Bill? I accept this.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Was that intentional? I accept the golden light. No, that just... Did you set out? How do you make that transition? Was it organic or are you just thinking, everybody's full of shit shit I gotta step in? I've been doing that for 30 years and they finally caught up there's your answer.
Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah. But you speak to so many people who see themselves in you and anytime I've ever tried to justify it's so crazy justify my position I'm well, did you see that episode of Real Time where Marr said, and it's like the only way to try to communicate a point of view to either a liberal or a conservative, you can justify your position if you said it. It's crazy. It's almost like professionally, if I was to tell you something about Keto
Starting point is 00:53:23 and you said I'm full of shit, I would turn around and go, well, It's almost like professionally, if I was to tell you something about keto and you said I'm full of shit, I would turn around and go, well, Dr. Peter Atia and Dr. Lane Norton both just said that keto doesn't burn more body fat, blah, blah, blah. And I can validate my position. Yeah, but so can they. And that's why I'm just always arguing with these people
Starting point is 00:53:39 about just don't dictate what I have to do. I am going to be the final arbiter of what I want to do with my body, whether it's a vaccine or anything else, because the doctors don't agree. So if there's this uncertainty, I'm gonna have to make these decisions. And a lot of stuff in health is like,
Starting point is 00:53:59 even the doctors, the ones- You know the devil's advocate argument. The ones I respect. You're killing my grandma. You know that argument. The ones I respect are You're killing my grandma. You know that argument. The ones I respect are the ones who start the conversation about complicated things with like, you know, we just don't know.
Starting point is 00:54:11 Just admit it. Like here, no, do we have a perfect, we really don't have anything perfect for this? We've been trying to find some. Here's the things we haven't used with some success, but just don't tell me they don't have the answers. So in that atmosphere, you have to let me with the people I respect and the philosophy of medicine I choose to follow, which is not crazy or anti-Western. Yeah, but you didn't have that luxury, and that's the question you need to ask is why.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Did you not have the luxury to make that decision was mandated right. Yeah, no and then it's like well why and I remember watching I think it was. Eric Weinstein the 2 brothers, there's Brett Weinstein Eric Weinstein once an evolutionary biologist once of. I've had bread on the show his wife. But I remember him saying you know there's a fundamental problem here.
Starting point is 00:55:05 Number one, it's not effective enough. It's not a vaccine. People are still getting sick, very sick. So. Well, it was effective. How effective? I mean, I got COVID before it and after it, about the same both times. For older people at risk, I'll buy it.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Well, that's what we're talking about. But they're mandating it for kids. So... But of course, they also gave it to a lot of older people like soon after they had the flu vaccine and their bodies couldn't take two vaccines at once. And that's just the science of it. You know, that's just even the people who argue
Starting point is 00:55:37 on the other side would have to agree. When you take a vaccine, you're taxing your body. Because that's the, that's supposed to be, we're, that's the plan. Side effects. Just like when you take a vaccine, you're taxing your body. Because that's the plan. Side effects. Just like when you work out, you're harming your body. Stress, yeah. You are harming your body when you work out, so it comes back stronger.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Stress, yeah, that would be the argument. I would circle back down the stress. But it's a balanced amount of stress for sure. But the question is, are you going to put your body through that kind of stress for sure. But the question is, are you gonna put your body through that kind of stress, cost benefit analysis for a kid? Is it worth it? No. It's not efficacious enough.
Starting point is 00:56:15 Exactly, I mean. And then it's, is it worth the side effects for a kid? No. And then you're killing my grandmother conversation. But if the kid still gets sick, then the grandmother's still going to get sick. So where does it, to me, the question is, why the intense mandate over something. There's a wide gap. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Between everybody, no matter how old has to get it, and understanding that it was a tool, the COVID vaccine, got to give them credit. They came up, I mean, they had been working on it for a tool, the COVID vaccine, gotta give them credit, they came up, I mean, they had been working on it for a very long time. The mRNA tech? Yes. Yeah, 30 years supposedly. Yes, so, but they, you know.
Starting point is 00:56:54 I've had that conversation myself. Okay, so they, yeah. It's like, look, I got it. I did too. I would never get a booster. I did not either. But I didn't want it. But I would not have been able to continue with my life.
Starting point is 00:57:14 I would not have been allowed near the studio or on the road. Okay, so I took one for the team and for my own selfish desire to continue with my life. But if it happened again, I don't know, you know, I... I think the bigger question that needs to be answered is what's behind all of this? For, and what I mean by that is
Starting point is 00:57:44 I remember when this first happened. And I don't think at that time I could have been more left, whereas now I'm definitely definitely center. And I remember watching an episode of Rogan with Brett, it was March of 2020 and he broke down all the reasons he thought this came from a lab. And I was just like gain of function research Wuhan Institute of what's a fear and cleavage site asking different doctors. And I went to all my lefty friends and I was like this came from lab.
Starting point is 00:58:21 And I'm like, oh, you fucking tin hat, you married a conservative, you're out of your mind. Now, the CIA, the FBI, the Department of Energy, came from a lab. Why was that entire conversation shut down? Why are we not allowed to have it to this day? And people go, why does it matter? Well, they do have it now. Not really.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Well, who's debating how safe gain of function research is? How the fuck nobody, nobody will. What people are not doing is making it, you're right, as big an issue as it should be. It should be a huge issue because I honestly think like in 20, I don't know, 50 years, 100 years, sometime like in the future, they will look back on this period
Starting point is 00:59:03 and it will strike them as so odd that it was controversial that a virus that started in Wuhan, where this one almost unique in the world lab was that was doing this exactly, the fact that they argue in 2020 and 21, they were all the way up to 20, whatever, they were arguing about this. Now, could it be a coincidence with the bats?
Starting point is 00:59:29 It could, but I mean, I just think it's gonna look bad in the future. It's gonna be a come on, man. Even the Fauci emails are like, I don't know. I think I'm saying 70, 30 came from a lab in the emails. Well, it's just, it's just, it's just. Why can't we say this is a huge fucking problem? They were right. We need to get hold of this thing.
Starting point is 00:59:49 This could be as big of an existential crisis for humanity as nuclear weapons. But this isn't amazing to you. Like it was in the paper today about this country came out of the pandemic way better than we just fucked. We won the pandemic economically better than we just fuck. We won the pandemic economically. I mean, America.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Dude, I don't feel that way. Explain it to me. I feel like inflation's insane. Numbered. Everything. Flation is not insane. Bill, go buy a car. There's numbers.
Starting point is 01:00:20 I understand. Things, but it has. House has tripled here. Look, I understand. Things. But it has tripled here. Look, I get that people. Buy some fucking eggs. Explains me. I'm not an economist. Feelings and then there's the numbers. Okay, what are the numbers? Well, the numbers have come down a lot in the last six months. Well, the numbers have come down a lot in the last six months. Okay. Of course, they were, it was inevitable when we gave out $6 trillion so that everybody could hide under the bed from the forever flu.
Starting point is 01:00:53 That was never going to end well. It was taken by the richest people ever and didn't get where it needed to go. And it was, a lot of it was stolen. It was, we agree on that too. It was like, was there some response needed? Of course. You don't want the hospitals overrun, but it was just a massive overreaction. And that did cause some of the inflation.
Starting point is 01:01:12 But the big story, the big picture is, every other nation in the world, much worse off now. And this country for some reason just chugs fucking along. It's like, it's almost scarier because I think we're just cocky now when we think we can do anything. Trump handled it. Pandemic handled it. What? Nothing happened. Did Trump blow up the world? I tried to tell that to my mom. Did fucking COVID kill all of us? No. It is going to be the end of the world. And it's like, yeah, but maybe the next one or Trump's next term, you know, just because it didn't happen before,
Starting point is 01:01:47 I don't know, I think it's a very dangerous way to live, to think you can keep brushing this shit off. The debt, there's another one that was going to kill us. Are we pretending like everything's okay? I don't know. Because don't we have... Immigration, we're... Again, not an economist, but from the outset looking in,
Starting point is 01:02:04 trillions of dollars in debt. Yes, but Ross Perot was saying this 30 years ago that it was gonna kill us when it was like two trillion. Oh yeah, it hasn't yet. We just, immigration, we're being over, we are kind of being over it, that's a deep, no effect, that is. Does it eventually implode?
Starting point is 01:02:20 Is there going to be a straw? I would say yes. I think America's just like a teenage boy. Stupid, but strong. You know, just like, and nothing stops you. And yes, we're driving at 80 miles an hour with the top down along Mulholland. But somehow, unless we, and we could go over the side.
Starting point is 01:02:39 They sometimes do. And we sometimes do. I know, but as of now, we're having a good time. I think some of it. We're going to get away with it. Some of it or not absolutely some of it was just definitely not and I you know the economy stuff I don't really understand. I I your kids.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Oh God. They talk that complicated? No, no, no. It's just the ages come with some, some fascinating trials and tribulations. Um, 12 and 14 in a matter of weeks. So 11 and 13 months. Well, that's, that's, I was reading about that age cohort in the paper also today. That's, they're very pessimistic, it said,
Starting point is 01:03:25 about they are very bleak about the future, you know, our generations ruin the environment and like they, you know. It's worse than that. It's worse than that. Yeah, it's. Tell me about the kids today, really, because I wouldn't know.
Starting point is 01:03:40 I listen, I. Thank you Jesus. I love my kids. What are the kids up to? I love my kids. What are the kids up to? I love my kids. Are they on OnlyFans? Not yet. They're laughing. Do you know my kids come home?
Starting point is 01:03:56 And they tell me, like, oh, they make it. It is. Hey, if the kids can make money. More aggressive. So-and-so sisters on OnlyFans. So-and-so sisters on OnlyFans. Really. So until the sister's on OnlyFans. So until the sister's on OnlyFans. Really? Did you know she's on OnlyFans?
Starting point is 01:04:07 You mean children are allowed on OnlyFans? Somehow they're on there. Really? You don't have to be like eight. Underage, yes you do. Somehow they get on there. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:17 And then it's like, it is a whole, it is crazy shit. Yeah, I know. And unfortunately, the environment we're living in, I grew up in a world where all we wanted to do was get rid of labels. Love is love. One race, human. Now these kids are like, you fucked my label off.
Starting point is 01:04:37 There's a PY minus sign in it. But what the fuck is going on with you guys? What's a PY minus? It's, I'm being absurd. But my point is like they've all, oh I'm a Q plus, T minus, and I have sex with chickens. Oh you're talking about a sexual designation? Like LGBTQ? We tried to get rid of labels.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Now everything is about- But is that what you're talking about? Like LGBTQ stuff? As one example, is that we tried to get rid of labels in our generation and tried to not look at race. Now, everything's about race. Everything's about labels. And I don't think it is helping at all.
Starting point is 01:05:16 I grew up here in the San Fernando Valley and the only prejudice I ever saw consistently was gays. Gays were gross. And I grew up homophobic. Not you. Oh, I was so homophobic. No, oh, you're talking about gay men. All of it.
Starting point is 01:05:35 Because I feel like there's a very big difference. Like, even to like hardcore homophobes, hot women. No, it was all gross. Until? To who? To who? In my life? I don't remember les. He was all gross. And till? To who? To who? In my life? I don't remember lesbians ever being gross.
Starting point is 01:05:49 I remember them being in Penthouse Magazine is what I remember. Yeah, but that was not the typical lesbian at all. No, of course not. Of course not. Not at all. And then Madonna came out, would justify my love and she was dating in your casaris
Starting point is 01:06:05 and you had these two hot women. I was like, oh, is this cool to be bisexual? Yeah. But put it this way, no one was saying the N-word and making like racial slurs about people crossing the border and being anti-Semitic. I never heard any of that shit ever. You would have been shamed to death out of society
Starting point is 01:06:25 if you made any of those comments. Really? For me growing up here, I never experienced it. So what year's your graduate high school? 91. 91. Okay, so like NWA was at the top of the- I went to the high school in Ice Cube.
Starting point is 01:06:39 It's what I claimed to say. You did? Yes. Where'd you go to high school, Compton? Top, Ty. He was busted. Holy moly. I'm go to high school, Compton? Tough, Ty. He was busted. I'm guessing, he was from Compton. Holy moly.
Starting point is 01:06:51 That's my claim to fame. That is a piece of history. But now? Did you know him? I didn't fucking know him. Oh, what a missed opportunity. I agree. He's been there, he's awesome, I love him.
Starting point is 01:07:01 He's amazing. Yeah. Point me now, the shit my kids come home and tell me is Stuff that would come straight out at like 1963 straight out of Compton If only though, you know, but what do you mean 1963? Okay, so my daughter is black. She's adopted obviously and She went to this trampoline park that the kids go to called Dojo Boom. She was with a friend of hers, my son, his friend.
Starting point is 01:07:31 The kids get in the car and they're all amped up. And someone says, and the corner of the kids is like, someone said to Lou, who's my daughter, my black daughter, oh, you must be amazing at basketball because you can run, steal, and jump. And I'm such an asshole. I'm like, well, of course you can't. She's West African.
Starting point is 01:07:49 She's Haitian, but she's genetically West African, meaning of course you can. She's a genetic specimen, right? The child is just physically insanely strong and tall. And I'm like, no, mom, run, steal, jump. I was like, wait, what? And then they're like, don't worry. I won't say the name of this kid,
Starting point is 01:08:11 but kid, my daughter's friend, called him a border hopper. I'm like, okay, guys, what the fuck is going on? And I had to like go home, have a teachable moment with my children. And I was like, who's saying border hopper at school? Oh, everybody says it. I'm like, everybody says this is the shit. Do you think anybody, nobody,
Starting point is 01:08:36 so for all this wokeness that you have in California, it is breeding some crazy divisive shenanigans that I have never seen. It's not working. it's not work. It's not like the extremes make each other yes back and forth you see this this cause and reaction effect. You know, it's like really insane and if that was the biggest problem I would be so happy it's not like the other
Starting point is 01:09:04 day in the car, my son said something that was a teachable moment again. And he was trying to be funny and he made this comment and before I could even say buddy, no, you know. My daughter goes, reclip. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And my son goes, reclip mom. I'm like, what are you talking about? And my son goes, re-clip mom. I'm like, educate me.
Starting point is 01:09:28 So you know, the app, re-clip, so there's an app that the kids have weaponized their phones. So essentially, this app records your conversations and the minute somebody says something that a Karen or a Kevin would say, you clip the last two minutes of the conversation and ruin their life. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:09:50 That's the shit that I'm talking about. This is the kind of stuff, and I'm sitting with my daughter and I'm like, listen to me. I needed a trigger warning for that piece of information. I really did. You should have given me a trigger warning. I'm telling you, please. I need a boomer
Starting point is 01:10:05 trigger warning. That's again, why is it so amazing that this country hasn't fallen off the edge of the earth yet? Because we're just so horrible and it just gets worse. And the younger generation is just insanely ignorant and entitled and mean. The phone, they're not. It's just. They're not, everybody. She didn't reclip him, but she was joking about something that's very real.
Starting point is 01:10:34 People, the phone. Very real. The phone has changed them. The phone is, that's the evil. That's the source of the evil. It exacerbates everybody's worst, you know, we all have inclinations to do something wrong. And then we check ourselves.
Starting point is 01:10:52 But the phone makes it easy to be shady. Anonymous. And mean. And needy. Oh, yeah. And fake. Insecure. So you come out, you raise a kid on the phone and you're gonna get a kid who's needy And fake. Insecure. So you come out, you raise a kid on the phone,
Starting point is 01:11:06 and you're going to get a kid who's needy and fake and mean and shady. And this kind of stuff, like the court, you gotcha. Ugh. She doesn't have it. I know, but just, you know, I'm not judging her. I'm guessing just as a piece of information. It's a thing that they do.
Starting point is 01:11:29 So much so that it was like, reclip, and I was like, what? Yeah, every day they come home with something like that that they're dealing with. And you just, I can't even, I've gotten to the point where I feel like I'm trying to push the river to keep them safe in every way all the time. I'm gonna start a Save the Kids Foundation. I need to personally heal an entire generation.
Starting point is 01:11:54 And I can do it too. Because there's about like, I would say about 15 out of 100 that day, they just love me. Because they're desperate for someone who like tell them the truth. Because they have smoke blown up their ass at all times. So I could start with them and see if I could have them proselytized as a child army.
Starting point is 01:12:16 One of the crusades was led by a child army, just because it didn't work in 1257, doesn't mean it can't work in 2024. Well, they're looking for that, and they're finding it in guys like Andrew Tate. Yes, they're so desperate for guidance. That's really scary, you're so clear of stuff, Bob. Yes, right, that's right, people like that.
Starting point is 01:12:36 They are looking for it, they're desperate for it. This was also in the news, 30 point difference between young liberal women, young women and young men liberal to conservative. Women are young women like 20s, we're talking about teens and 20s, 30 points more liberal than the boys. Cause the boys right are into, into andro tate and- Cause we're systematically emasculating them.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Right, that's a lot of it. Yes. And that's the- And in some cases... Do you have a boy also? I have a boy. Do you have a boy? No, the boy's how old? He's about to be 12.
Starting point is 01:13:10 He's about to be 12. And where'd you find him? My ex had him, actually. Oh. So she created him. And, um, and, uh, Oh, she had him, like... She gave birth to him, yeah. And, uh...
Starting point is 01:13:24 And when you adopted your daughter, did you specifically ask for a black baby or no? So you said, so like. No, so I can tell you how we ended up finding Lou because we literally did find her. And the long list sort of is, I went on safari in 2010, didn't think I wanted to. Safari, what country?
Starting point is 01:13:43 Where were we? We were all over, Botswana. Botswana. Botswana. I'm going to Tanzania in 2025 with kids, but. Wow, really? That was Botswana, South Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe.
Starting point is 01:13:55 And we were at Victoria Falls. Yes. Rafting the Zambia, huge mistake. Don't recommend it. And along the short of it is, after all of us dying in the Zambezi, that's not gonna happen. We opted out of the,
Starting point is 01:14:09 I don't go east of Lebray. Okay, fair. I would encourage you, but maybe not the Zambezi. I am not a world traveler. But I've seen the pictures of Victoria Falls, and it's a fact. Beautiful. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Beautiful. I didn't like the largest Falls in the world. I think that's been his way, actually. Oh, okay. I could be one of the biggest Beautiful. I think that's like the biggest Falls in the world. I think that's been his wayla actually. Oh, okay. It's one of the biggest Falls, I think maybe. Is it where the Nile ends? Is that where? Or is it the mouth of the Nile?
Starting point is 01:14:35 No. Okay. It's between, literally right between Zambians and Bobway. It's called the cataract. Cataract, uh, cataract, sorry. And you jump in and you get in this raft and to make a very long story short, it's like one of the most dangerous. I had no idea, by the way.
Starting point is 01:14:55 I was booked for me by a travel agent. And I thought I was gonna be in a jungle boat cruise with a drink, and the next thing, you know, I had a level five rapid called the mashing jaws of death. I did their chopper in people out it was a shit show so we did not continue on with the days activities after climbing out of this gorge. A rapid but do you do adventurous things like this
Starting point is 01:15:17 I do this one was like how often a in the like 4 times a year you do some all the time all the time like every month. I just like kids to go shark diving with the ocean around like four times a year you do something. All the time. All the time, like every month you do and shit like that. I just think the kids, to go shark diving with Ocean Ramsey. Shark diving, no what's the point? This is the point. Okay, first of all, I'm a big ocean lover, grew up here.
Starting point is 01:15:35 Sure, oceans. The kids coming out, I don't know what to say. Okay, to teach my kids two things. One, about conservation and two, not to have fear of sharks when they're in the water, but to also understand how to be smart, right? What's gonna make a shark attack?
Starting point is 01:15:53 When are you acting like prey? Is the water murky? All these different things. Can't we have both? Can't we teach them these things and also still have fear of sharks? Because I feel like fear of sharks is not a terrible instinct at all. I don't think it's...
Starting point is 01:16:06 Really? I don't think it's reasonable. Sharks are not worthy of being feared. Do you know how many shark attacks there are in a year? Like 120? There's eight billion people on the planet. Yeah, but they're not all in the ocean. Bill, how many people, Google this,
Starting point is 01:16:19 I did this with my kids. No. Billions of people go in the ocean multiple times, right? Yes, no, I agree. Every year, we had a better chance of getting killed at Toaster and Chanticoke and that. No, I agree. I agree, it's rough.
Starting point is 01:16:34 I'm just saying, if I saw a fin in the water, my first thought wouldn't be, oh, nothing. I would be like, oh, fear, yes. Now be smart about your fear. Don't go thrashing about. Right, exactly. Make eye contact. Don't act like prey. Eye contact. With those dead eyes? I don't think you're good. Really, you think you can make eye contact with a shark?
Starting point is 01:16:55 Yeah, absolutely. Really? I think you need to have ocean rams here. And what would you, my eyes would say, please don't hate eat me. What would your, what, what are you saying with your eyes? You're just making eye contact. Really you think a shark is seeing your eyes? Oh, 100%.
Starting point is 01:17:09 They see that good? They utilize, this comes from Ocean Ramsey, mind you, who we just went diving with. She's unbelievable in Oahu. But you make eye contact with the shark. Really? And they teach you what to do. Like if they come towards you,
Starting point is 01:17:23 you can send a big scuba diver right. I love jet skis and jets are all kinds of water stuff. And they sign language of any kind you put your fins out your fins the kids are in front of you. If they continue to approach them use you strong arm really got pushed down on their nose and got away. Obviously you're going to not probably not going to, this happened. But I scuba a lot.
Starting point is 01:17:49 I scuba with schools of sharks. I've never had a nature. Cut to in real life doing this and my arm in the mouth, up to the elbow, and then this teeth coming down and just the stump of my arm coming out. Like the guy on the beach and saving private lives. Mistaken identity, surfers in murky water, Hudson and Bloomin'. Okay, well, I, hold on.
Starting point is 01:18:13 You're a badass. Now you swim with sharks and it redefines who you are. You're like, I faced down this fear as safely as possible. Say it please, possible. And redefine who you are. I'm tapping you. I'm tapping you. No.
Starting point is 01:18:29 But. Let's start with getting you south of the Brea. No, no, no. Baby steps. East of the Brea. Where the fuck we're going? Let's get you out of the house. No, I mean, I've never been a world traveler,
Starting point is 01:18:43 but I've been to a few cities and a few places. And I feel like I've never been a world traveler, but I have been, you know, to a few cities and a few places. And I feel like I've done enough. And, you know, 68, I'm totally okay. I have people have a bucket list. I have a list of shit I don't do anymore. And it's just a great list, like Christmas, you know, no gifts, no nothing. It's like, I just don't do it anymore. Things like that, it's awesome. And that's one of them. It's like, it was always very stressful for me to travel overseas, you know? And some people take the stress better
Starting point is 01:19:16 and we're talking about stress with health. It was just, they could offer me unlimited amount of money to play in Dubai. And sometimes they do offer American entertainers something like that. I'm like, it's not worth it. Nothing against you Dubai, but Dubai. It's fair.
Starting point is 01:19:33 I'm not just going, I'm just not leaving. Why bother, yeah. It's too far. And too many things could happen that my fee brow mind would be thinking could happen. And I don't want to, you know, it just doesn't compromise the quality of your life. Not at all. If it did, then I'd be like, oh, hell, you know, I don't know about it, but it sounds like you're perfectly happy. You're clearly
Starting point is 01:19:56 thriving. I mean, I mean, to do that. Great. I mean, there are terrible things about aging. And then, but your actual life, speaking for everybody, I mean, but I know a lot of people my edge would say the same thing, your actual life, I'm speaking for everybody, I mean, but I know a lot of people my age would say the same thing, your actual life is better because you're not a fucking idiot anymore. You're not self-sabotaging yourself, which is I think a lot, I know for me,
Starting point is 01:20:17 what made me unhappy a lot in my younger decades was like mad at myself for dumb relationship choices, dumb career choices, dumb shit that was avoidable and unforced errors. But do you think, see you're learning from your mistakes, right, which is what we're supposed to do, but sometimes I find people don't, they don't have the ego strength.
Starting point is 01:20:40 It takes years, that's why it doesn't happen in your 20s. You have to, I mean, I think learning is mostly about patterns. You know, you see something come around once and that's, oh, it's the first time you saw it, you're going to like, I mean, the first time I got dumped, you know, it was like, of course, the worst ever in my because you don't see it coming and it's the, will I ever be happy again? And the second time it happens, okay, I can deal with it. I dealt
Starting point is 01:21:05 with it before, you know, that's a lot of what life is, lessons and seeing the pattern. And so, you know, that's why I say Biden, I wish he would get out of the way for somebody younger, but as far as, can he actually do the job? Yes, he can't. He's not senile. And most of the decisions are made in the- You think he's not senile? He's not senile, and most of the decisions are made in the- You think he's not senile? He's not senile. Bill! Did you see the thing where he was like,
Starting point is 01:21:29 I was in civil war and needed more airports? And he's like, whoa! He's, I think he's not senile. He's not senile. But Bill. That's different. What is that then? It wasn't happening like that when he was Obama's VP.
Starting point is 01:21:42 It doesn't, no, of course. He's a lot older and he shows it. It doesn't affect what matters. He doesn't, when they're talking in the Oval Office, first of all, he doesn't talk like that because he's not, he just not, when you're old, you're not confident talking publicly. Gone to me.
Starting point is 01:21:58 He's not gone. The brain is not gone. The decisions, okay. Do you think he's making them? I don't think he's making them. Oh, that's a conspiracy... Do you think he's making them? I don't think he's making them. Oh, that's a conspiracy theory. Of course he's making them. How?
Starting point is 01:22:10 How? He literally just called Trump the sitting president the other day. And Trump just called... He did a whole rant. Did I just tell you Trump was mentally sound? No, no, I'm just... I know. But he did the same thing.
Starting point is 01:22:23 People get up in the upper years, and then... Especially when you're like talking in public a lot, you know, it he did the same thing. People get up in the upper years, and especially when you're talking in public a lot, it's gonna happen. It doesn't affect... Oh, Bill. Okay, don't give me Bill. Wait, do I need to Google? I'm the one who doesn't know shit. Maybe you don't...
Starting point is 01:22:40 Watch the video? I'm not saying you don't know shit. No, I'm not claiming to know anything about politics, but watch the friggin' videos of the guy. I've seen the videos. He can't get off the stage. That's not true either. I've seen the videos.
Starting point is 01:22:54 We've seen the same thing. The bicycle store. He doesn't know where he's at. You think the guy knows, okay. I mean, because the... Okay, point area explored. We have a difference of opinion. Fair. You can scold me on it. That's... You think the guy knows? Okay. I mean, because the... Okay. Point area explored. We have a difference of opinion.
Starting point is 01:23:07 Fair. You can scold me on it. Tell me what you're doing. Nobody knows. I'm just telling you, when he's sitting alone, not alone, when he's sitting with advisors in the Oval Office, where the job is actually done, not in this arena, which has you so interested in, this shiny object. The shiny object? It's the shiny object that is distracting you because you're not in this shiny object. The shiny object?
Starting point is 01:23:25 It's the shiny object that is distracting you because you're not in the Oval Office. He looks demented. And I don't mean demented crazy. Exactly. I mean like dementia. Looks. In your opinion.
Starting point is 01:23:36 OK. I mean, to me, those are signs of dementia. Yeah, they both have some. Probably everybody does at that age. Probably everybody does. I mean, do you ever walk into a room when you forget why you walked into the room? I think there are degrees of this.
Starting point is 01:23:54 Of course, there are degrees. That isn't advanced on the spectrum. Exactly, and that's what we're talking about, degrees. You think the degree, I think it's ridiculous. You apparently think I'm ridiculous. I don't think you're ridiculous. That's kind of your tone, yes, that I'm ridiculous to even think of it.
Starting point is 01:24:08 I think, I'm surprised that it doesn't alarm you. That's all. I don't think you're ridiculous. I can understand why it doesn't alarm you. What alarms me is that he's gonna lose the election because this is how he looks in public. That's what alarms me. It doesn't alarm me.
Starting point is 01:24:21 Like, what is he gonna do when they come to him tomorrow, when he's in the Oval Office at 9.30 a.m. He's probably good, like a lot of people, especially at that age, in the morning. Don't get him in the afternoon. That's fine. We can do the business in the morning. Sir, there's the bill that we're trying to get passed in the Senate, the immigration bill that Trump is blocking. Should we call Senator McConnell? Yes. And he gets on the... He can do that. He's still doing that. I know people who are very close. It's a whole different issue than what he looks like in public. The problem is the one affects the other. Do you think he's actually going to be the nominee? Of course. Really? That's a foregone conclusion. Really, you're asking me that question?
Starting point is 01:25:06 I am, because you know on the other side of this. Well then you're not following it that closely. This is the done deal. Okay, but hold on, hold on. I appreciate, listen. There's no serious people running against him and now the primary season is underway. You know the rumors.
Starting point is 01:25:20 We're running into the rumors. The rumors is that even Dave Rubin and Megan Kelly are talking about that when they get to the Democratic nomination, he's gonna, or the Democratic convention, and he's gonna quietly be like, ah, you know what, not gonna do it. And then somebody will slot themselves in, Newsome, Richelle. I mean, this is pure conjecture. This is just people making shit.
Starting point is 01:25:40 I'm asking you, because there's other respectable people in the news are suggesting it's a possibility. I like both Megan and Dave. They're respectable, but if this is what they're saying, and I don't know that it is, but if that's what you're by my believe you. They're saying that there's a story being leaked. A story being leaked. Exactly. But it's on both of their shows.
Starting point is 01:25:58 They're definitely exploring it. Use a little critical thinking on this. A story being leaked from people who... Even Tucker says this, and I know you're going to say Tucker sucks, but I know you're gonna say that about him. Well, he so does. And these two have a lot of loony ideas also. Right wing loony ideas. I like them both and they're pretty, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:16 Megan is much more, I think, center. I mean, Dave's good too. He's, I think, turned on Trump, but... They're definitely suggesting it. This is just something they pulled out of their ass and it's not going to happen. I'll bet you any amount of money. It was a rumor I guess, they came out of. That came out of an ass.
Starting point is 01:26:38 Okay, but it's still on. The kind you train. The show for people who are relatively credible. You know when you're leaning over somebody and going do these, another set of doggy dogs or whatever those thing is where you stick your- Doggy dogs? I've never asked for doggy dogs.
Starting point is 01:26:53 What is it when you stick your leg out like that one you're on here? Bird dog. No, like you're- Bird dog. No, you're building the muscle in your ass. Bird dog. Bird dog, okay.
Starting point is 01:27:03 Bird dog. Well anyway, that's where it came from. The place where the bird dogs are working on. It's nothing. And it's not gonna happen. They're gonna wheel him out and he'll be wearing as much makeup as Trump is by then. And, but he'll have, if they're smart,
Starting point is 01:27:21 what they'll do is write the speech like now. Because nothing's gonna change. Write the speech now. Have them work on it like every day from now until this convention, like it's in July. And so it's like second nature to them. And so we can just, if people just see him make one speech, like it's off a teleprompter, he can do it, but he is a stutterer you
Starting point is 01:27:45 know I mean he is he is somebody working with like that I've heard that argument and I understand it's just part of the equation back ten years wasn't speaking like he wasn't just again no can no argument he looks awful this is why I've been imploring the Democratic Party to do something and switch him out for somebody, but they're not going to do it. That is not going to happen. The die is cast. It's the new year.
Starting point is 01:28:12 The primaries have started. He is the nominee and will be unless he dies or is incapacitated. So that's a fact we have to all deal with now. How do you best deal with it? Teach him the speech now. That's my number one plan. Teach him the speech now. So it's like the story about corn pop.
Starting point is 01:28:35 He's got these stories in his head that he likes to tell. And it's because he's been telling them, like any like Borsch Belt hack, he's been telling them for years, the same stories. And so like he that's his go to you got to get in his head a long time before and then it's like his oh this is my go to story. Yeah I know this and and it's like Bob Hope at the end. You just you know Bob Hope would never do a second take. So like boy make that monologue easy to say. Is it as a layman?
Starting point is 01:29:08 Both of them alarm me. Oh, of course. And I think a lot of laymen like myself are kind of shocked that this is... But you would vote for Trump over Biden, bro. I did vote last time, and I probably wouldn't vote this time. Really? Really? You don't see a difference enough between Biden and Trump?
Starting point is 01:29:23 I don't like Biden at all either. I get it, but that's, wow. Here's my other, like some of the things, I'm curious about this one for you. I'm not there. Some of the things that are so alarming about Trump, you're gonna say I'm crazy, but I see similarities. People often like, Trump's a racist.
Starting point is 01:29:42 So is Biden. No, he's not. Like, well, he made racist remarks about Obama. He was homies with Strom Thurman. He eulogized the guy. He's responsible for putting more people of color in prison with the 94 crime bill. Like this is your fucking hair on this guy?
Starting point is 01:29:56 I think it's very important that- Tell me, tell me about- No, I don't, this is just- What I'm gonna say, I think it's very important that we listen to both left and right wing media sources because I don't trust anybody fully. They both, I've said this many times, but they tell you they're feeding a narrative,
Starting point is 01:30:13 they're stroking the audience first. 100%. They wanna tell the audience left and right. But having said that, You think there's a lesser evil. I think you're listening to too much right wing bullshit these days. I do. I think you're listening to too much right wing bullshit these days. I do.
Starting point is 01:30:26 I think you're listening to a lot of right wing... You don't think this guy, all that stuff that he's done that I just listed is like... I think it's like... I just... You think the whole thing with his son is totally innocent? No, I don't think any of it's innocent or completely wrong. It's just like boring because it's like, yeah. If you wanna-
Starting point is 01:30:47 He doesn't want to be bored with him though. And completely nefarious with Trump. If you wanna play the game of picking out somebody who's been in public life for 50 years and who's not a perfect human being as none of us are. But then you have- But they crucified Trump for the same shit. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:31:03 Did he work with Trump, Thurman? Yes, he was in the Senate. It's just such a dumb right-wing talking point. There's no truth in it. It's just- What about the fact that he said, oh, I've got a colored guy that's, you know, is a queen and smart, it's a fairy tale?
Starting point is 01:31:17 Yes, again- Really? Again, your- If Trump said that, we would all be like, holy shit. You're so exaggerating the importance of something like that, is my view of your... No, I felt this way about him. So it's like... We were selected as Obama's VP.
Starting point is 01:31:33 It's like this is... you're reacting to talking points, what they want you to do. To me, like, there's no... Contest between what your issues are with Biden, which are issues. They're minor. It's like, I feel like you understand this on a physiological level, if we talked about the human body and the difference between dandruff and pancreatic cancer, you would get that. But in politics, I feel like it's very similar, but you're not, but you're not there with the politics. You just like, Biden, when somebody rubs people
Starting point is 01:32:09 the wrong way, Hillary cert- 75 million people don't like them. So maybe they also know Dandruff and Pankroth. I mean, half the country is not, I don't like either of them, by the way. I'm not a Trumpber. First of all, half the country is not, I don't like either of them by the way. I'm not a Trumpber. First of all, half the country always hates whoever is the other party's president. Hates.
Starting point is 01:32:31 That's a given. It doesn't end. What I'm saying is you're working backwards from, I hate him. I don't hate him. Now why do I hate him? Because he worked with Strom Thurmond on a bill like every senator did. I don't hate him. I don't like Gavin Newsom. Because his son is a fucking, like every senator did. I don't hate him.
Starting point is 01:32:45 I don't like Gavin News. Because his son is a fuck, you know, like he's got a million fucking pockmarks on him. What would be your thought, this is one I feel like can speak a little bit on. It's not, it doesn't rise to the level of the hate you have for him. I don't hate him.
Starting point is 01:33:02 I don't like him. I don't think he's greeted his job. He does seem to be incredibly seen outside. But I do think you've been listening to a lot of right wingers. I listen to more of them. I watch you all the time. Well, I'm not right wing. I'm saying I listen to more of them. But I say a lot of things right wingers appreciate me saying about how stupid the left is.
Starting point is 01:33:22 You call it like you see it. Yes, I do. Well, okay, can I ask you, what do you think of Gavin Newsom? I just had him on my show. I know, I thought you were a little soft there. Thought you could have gone a little harder on the guy. Like you brought up almonds,
Starting point is 01:33:38 nailed him on that, but he's taking money from Big Ag Bill. That's why he didn't like, oh yeah, almonds. Anyway, I'm building desalination plans. I keep taking tons of money from Big Ag, which is why almonds are still in California. That's true. I didn't know what the, you got me. I didn't know what the answer to that is. That's the answer. Or like, how come PG&E was allowed to get away with the 2018 Fires, one of the top contributors to this kick? How did you do that? I've got like 12 minutes at the top of the show
Starting point is 01:34:08 to cover the whole world. I wasn't about to like make it all about the almonds. The fact that I brought up the almonds is something nobody else would even fucking do. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. I'm all right on that one.
Starting point is 01:34:25 You're good. But I've been trying to get Gavin to run for president for a very long time. Oh! And... Are you serious? Are we living in Gavin Newsom's California? Why?
Starting point is 01:34:36 Yeah, and I'm sure your life is just a nightmare. I left because of him. Oh, right, you were in Florida. You lived in Miami. Yes, so, you know what? I'll tell you something. If you're my whole life? In 2020, I've lived here since 83.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Okay. And I love where I live. I love California. I love Den Malibu. I mean, I'm dug in here. I did, in 2020, when there was a week when the sun was blotted out from the sky because of fires, I did look at moving to Florida.
Starting point is 01:35:02 Now, I think it was a little like when I was contemplating suicide when I was in high school and college. If I got laid once, I would stop to kind of, and I don't think I was ever really gonna do it. But I did actually get married. I was engaged once, but there are things in your life you're like, you know what, I might do that.
Starting point is 01:35:22 And part of you is like, never gonna do that, so I mean, and I think moving to Florida is in that category, but I did look at it because I share your frustrations with California. I do. And I said, those are the things I was saying to him. I mean, this is one I think I could be too pretty, pretty, pretty, electrically. Are you happier in Florida?
Starting point is 01:35:42 Yeah. What is it in Florida that's over, that compensated more than what you had here? It feels less crazy than it does here. Here you just... Florida's less crazy? Yeah. Hear me out. Hear me out on this.
Starting point is 01:35:59 Really? The place where the people are on bath salts, like fucking an alligator? Your girl, Sage Steele, asked me. She's like, what was the moment when you felt like California had lost its mind? And it was a piece of legislation that I can't recall. Did it affect your life? A bill.
Starting point is 01:36:15 Did it affect your life? Is the crime affecting our lives? Is the homelessness affecting our lives? Was crime affecting your life? Yeah, absolutely. My house got broken into you. Your house got broken into you. Yes, and guess what? The relationship with PG&E, my house got broken into your house got broken. Yes and guess what the
Starting point is 01:36:25 relationship with PG and E my house burned down in 2018 raise your house. I'm out. Yeah, you got wow you got broken into a Malibu I got things are rough out. Yeah, it was so not. Guess who let the guy out during covid because Because I got the letter, knew some. It was the guy's third offense. He broke into our house. He had duct tape and a video camera.
Starting point is 01:36:53 Anyway, long story, but he, third strike, guy goes to jail, gets let out during COVID. I mean, give me a fucking break. You're not going to hold PG and E accountable for that fire in 2018. Yeah. You're gonna decriminalize everything but regulate nothing. You're prioritizing the crazy shit I've ever seen in my life. Come on! Really? Again, my thing with Gavin is first of all he can win. First of all I just like
Starting point is 01:37:22 him. I think he's really smart. Is he a politician? Yes. That's the... Hello. Is he slick? Good. I'm fucking glad he's slick. Slick people win elections. Clinton was slick. Obama was pretty slick. How do you feel about the way he handled COVID? Not forage. Not forage. Not forage. Shut the schools forever. Not for it. Mind you, with no mask on at the French laundry, after saying that you can't... Again, you are just, I think you've been captured by this. No, I haven't.
Starting point is 01:37:52 He's a hypocrite and that bothers me. The rules were absurd. You could, okay, Bill. I know, but it's like... Bill, they were absurd. You're obsessing again about the... What was done right. You're obsessing about the Dandruff.
Starting point is 01:38:05 If he was a C.O.O. He went to the wrong restaurant. Really? This is, like again. He didn't follow his own rules. If you're going to be a leader, you lead by example. That's not fucking Dandruff. If he was the C.O.O. of a company,
Starting point is 01:38:18 wasn't there like a 90, billion dollar? I can almost guarantee whoever he's gonna run against from the Republican party, although every time I make the decision independently, I must guarantee that I will think he's smarter, better at government, which Republicans don't even take seriously. They don't know how government works.
Starting point is 01:38:37 Democrats are at least wonks. They actually know how government works. It's actually very complicated. You have to study it. It's arcane. It takes a lot of people in a lot of rooms at three in the morning with boxes of stale pizza and coffee and making and crafting laws that you'll never read, but affect your life. People who actually really get things done. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:57 You see that kind of person, yes, I think he is. And generally, we're on the same page philosophically. Is he too far woke? Absolutely. And I've said that to him many times. And I hope that when he, if he runs a president, one of the good effects of it, it will move him necessarily to the center, which I would like to see him more. But compared to what they're putting forth
Starting point is 01:39:16 on the other side. Can we talk about DeSantis outside of his social positions? You're talking about the coffee and the... Could you have a vision a day when you would need an abortion in your life? Okay, but I said, other than the social issues,
Starting point is 01:39:28 but let's discuss it. Hold on. Initially... Can you still have a baby? Maybe, I still get my period, not a menopause yet. But... There you go. But hold on, I agree with you.
Starting point is 01:39:37 I said outside of the social issues, but let's, hold on. Your girlfriend gets your... Hold on. Initially, his position, before he ran and got pushed all the way to the right, was 15 weeks. I agree with 15 weeks. Right. 15 weeks to me is plenty of time.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Europe is 12. 15 weeks, 12 weeks. It's all a fucking joke to me, because either you believe in the shit or you don't. I build. There's new ones. You can't make it black and white like that. Of course you can.
Starting point is 01:40:01 No, you can't. It's not that simple. A late term abortion, they're anesthetizing the child and taking it apart in pieces as opposed to- On a certain level, if you think it's murder, and here's my position-
Starting point is 01:40:13 It's a continual, I mean shades of gray. Do you think it's murder and I'm completely okay with it? That's my position. But it is definitely becoming a life. So if you're okay, it'll be like,
Starting point is 01:40:25 well, it would be a barbaric to kill at it. Eight weeks, but six of course. You have to anesthetize the fetus and cut it into pieces. Yeah. Like come on. There's a continuum. Yeah, that's worse, but it's still,
Starting point is 01:40:40 you're still stopping this. The lion Europe is at 12 weeks. Why, and no one seems to have a problem with that. As soon as you get pregnant, you know, it's like the raft that's going down the river, and it's going to get to the falls. Now you can kill it before it gets to the falls, but if you don't, it would get to the falls and then drop out of the lady and become a human. Which again, does not bother me at all.
Starting point is 01:41:03 I think we have too many humans already, and I feel like if we never met you, you can't miss us, and we can't miss you because we never met you. Somewhere between conception and birth, there is a continuum, and the answer, truthfully, no one's gonna get everything they want here, is somewhere in the middle.
Starting point is 01:41:21 His initial proposition was 15 weeks, that seems fair to me. You get birth control, you get the morning after pill, you get four months, I'm like, okay, Europe's 12, I can live with four months. Six is absurd, I agree. And you got pushed there. The problem is, I noticed when Gavin was on the show
Starting point is 01:41:39 a week ago, I noticed like the girls are on the office that day. A little more makeup. That's dandruff! That's your dandruff! That is your bullshit right there! That's not the meat and potatoes? Calm down, it's not the point I'm making. I'm not making a point. I'm just saying something.
Starting point is 01:41:58 When he did the show, you know, girls wearing a skirt today, hmm, a little more makeup. I'm just saying, as a politician, it doesn't hurt to have that effect on half the people who are voting. And I'm guessing he doesn't have that effect on you. I can't stand him. Oh, I understand.
Starting point is 01:42:17 But he does all of these insane things. He doesn't do insane things. Oh my God, Bill. There's a law that he passed. Yes, I know. You're right, insane. How many of them of you want? He's approving Bill. You know what? I confronted him. I'm a coward, he blockers, for 12 year olds. Okay, I could not agree more. Come on Bill. I'm not, you don't have to come on me. But to me this is insane. You're telling me it's
Starting point is 01:42:40 dandruff. I'm telling you it's not that kind of stuff is not that's that's real stuff I confronted him on the one Department store the department. I saw he's like oh they wanted it. No If they say they didn't everyone's gonna call them transphobic so or gay phobic. No Focus on other shit, bro. You've got real problems here. No, California's a crazy state But again, you've got real problems here. Oh, no, California's a crazy state. But again, it's almost analogous or is analogous to the two-party thing. You only get two choices.
Starting point is 01:43:11 And also, wherever you move, no, you seem to have adopted well to Florida, but I think it's because you have this, maybe you're focusing so much on theoretical things that you, I don't know, I've been to Florida, I love Florida, it's one of the states I really love. But I know if I moved there, I'd be there in July going, are you fucking kidding me?
Starting point is 01:43:36 I purposely went here. This weather is disgusting. You get a second home. Second home. And they have like their roaches fly, which you know. I never had a flying roach in my house. Aguanas, yes. Okay, but they do have like, you know, what I'm saying is every place when you move there
Starting point is 01:43:52 you find out some shit you're not going to like. So you might as well get, you know, the devil, you know, as long as the devil is California. Now, if I was in Alaska or something in the winter, yes, okay, but, you know, and also, you know, I don't know what crazy shit, you think this state is crazy? I think Florida is the state that where I think is more like this, the crazy. Do you think the rules are crazy?
Starting point is 01:44:16 I just think people would go, go. Like meeting the laws, the way this will run. The wood burning and that shit, I don't know what. What I love about. He's definitely lost. At first, when I got to Florida, I was able shit. I don't know what. What I love about- He's definitely lost. At first when I got to Florida, I was able to defend the don't say gay bill, which is really the parental rights and education.
Starting point is 01:44:31 I went there in 21 when the pandemic was still going on and I felt so much freer. Like while I was in Florida that weekend, then at that point in California, and I do, I fucking hate that about California. But again, it's like I could make an analogy to a tour relationship. Do you love everything about your partner? No, it's it's a pro Straight up no and me personally I'll tell you one thing that I do think you would love about Miami or I'll say Miami because that's where we live
Starting point is 01:45:01 I love Miami. I'm playing there in March. Oh what a, for once, an actual genius segue. February 16th and 17th, I will be in Las Vegas at the David Copperfield Theater at the MGM Grand. March 2nd in Houston at the Hobby Center. March 3rd in El Paso, the Plaza Theater Performing Arts Center, and I happen to know, and I don't have to put it on the card,
Starting point is 01:45:23 March 23rd in Miami so all right I'm gonna have to yeah because I have my real show to prepare for oh shit that's right okay I wanted to get you here for so long you did not disappoint you are everything I thought you would be I thought you would be. I'm afraid of you. No. What we call easy day for a talk show host, because you're a great talker. You have a lot to say.
Starting point is 01:45:50 You say it with passion. And you know your shit, at least about health, is what I care. I'd say you had a couple of gimmies on California. Definitely had a couple of gimmies there for me. Well. Thank you. It. Well. Well. Well. Well.
Starting point is 01:46:06 Well. Thank you. It was such a pleasure. All right, me too. I'm so excited you're finally about to. Yeah, me too. I guess I do that whole thing about alkalinity. Yes, please.
Starting point is 01:46:16 Yes. You can never bore me with health. Just, just, you got to boil it down. Well. Well.

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