Club Random with Bill Maher - Kenny Chesney | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Bill Maher welcomes country music superstar Kenny Chesney to Club Random for a conversation that starts with sold-out stadiums and ends somewhere much deeper. Kenny reflects on his ""hillbilly rock star"" glory days, why he's never canceled a show in nearly three decades, and the bus-ride epiphany that convinced him to stop drinking before performances. He also pulls back the curtain on creating the visuals for his record-breaking Sphere residency. Kenny gushes over Religulous, while Bill tells stories about Larry Flynt's gold wheelchair and Bill Clinton's legendary charm. Then one simple question about legacy cracks the whole conversation wide open: what happens to everything you've built when you don't have kids? Support our Advertisers: -Try QUO for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to https://www.quo.com/random -Try Claude for free at https://www.claude.ai/clubrandom Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh my gosh. It's Brad Pitt's brother. How you doing, man? That's a funny song. You're to see you. That's a funny song, by the way. by the way. It was a true story. Other than Brad Pitt's brother. Sounds like it was many stories.

Yeah, it was. In your life. Well, that was actually about me and my friend Brett James wrote that song. Because when you're single, you know, Christmas is a weird time, you know. So I was, I called my buddy Brett James and he was a great songwriter. I said, what are you doing the day after Christmas? Because he had a family and everything. So we went down to my house in the Virgin Islands and stayed out all night.

And literally, I woke up around 2.30 in the afternoon. And Brett was out there playing guitar and he had this riff, you know, started. And it was that riff. And basically that song was written about our night before. You're out all night. We were out all night. That's the riff part. Yeah.

That was back in the day. Well, it's funny you say that because this very room, I used to have a party, Christmas night. Christmas day, but night. It was very popular. Everybody's doing something in the day. They don't really want to do. Relatives, family, kids around.

Even as a kid, I sort of had enough by the end of it. It wasn't like Halloween. We were stuff with candy until you were bouncing off the walls from the sugar rush. You were just kind of like... So you guys were into Christmas or not? Totally, of course. Yeah, our family really was.

too. Yeah, we're Americans. To Christmas. Yeah, no, don't fucking encourage kids. You're getting presents. Of course, we're fucking into Christmas. But, like, when you're an adult, you know, this is, I used to go when my father was allowed, I used to go back to New Jersey and see my family

at Christmas. Then, you know, years later, and then my mother was gone. So there was no, you know, I would see my sister but not at Christmas time because neither was really cared when we were older. We were both atheists at this point. So, but we had great memories of it, but I would have a party

Christmas night. This was the party house, always has been. And boy did people love it. They were so ready for... I bet they came early, too. Came early, stayed late. But they were ready for something adult, and it was only the same very day. That's how much it annoys

people that I can't even wait for the neck and you say your party was the next day. This is Christmas night. So is this still going on? No. No. No. But I could revive it. It's a really good idea. But there was a moment that it, that the pit bulls was years. There was years. Why did it years? For years. I mean, yeah, but what made it stop? What made it stop was I had a girlfriend in Canada and I went there

for three Christmases. I mean, I was there. I mean, what I did for love, because I don't like to travel to cold weather places in the cold. You know, I just quit touring after like 42 years it in, but even when I, all the years I was doing it, my agent knew, don't book him in Minneapolis in February. I mean, I'd fire them if they even tried it, you know. My manager Clint did that one time. So back before I could decide when I was going to tour, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but back when I could decide when I, you know, when we were out there all the time,

like I would pack to come home for years. So we were out there all the time. Well, we were in this place in upper, we were in this place in upper. Michigan called Sue St. Marie. And it was so cold that the inside of the bus windows were frosted over. I think I played there. That's a casino up there. It's like a casino. Right. So back in the day I played there. And my manager and agent's name was Clint. Clint Hyam. And I took my finger. The frost was inside the window. And I took my finger and I went, fuck you, Clint. send him a picture of it.

But you're, I mean, like, you're old school, I think, like me. When it comes to show business, I mean, there's that story about you, like, having a foot crushed or some shit, and you still did the show. And I always think about it when, like, not to, like, always be shitting on the younger generation, but, you know, where shit is due, I will shit. And the way they cancel shows, because it suddenly has to be something physical. It's just, I'm not feeling it. So all you people who, like, came out here and rearranged your life and your dates and your weeks and your babysitter to come see me, I'm sorry.

I just, I can't, I got that sinus headache. I know people that canceled shows before they went on, that people were already there. And they just, I'm not going on. And then, and now the thing is, now the thing is they're not mentally fit. Right. Or they show up three hours late. Yeah. There's a certain thing. Like, I think that in how I came up and all the clubs and the casinos and whatever it is I played and then getting to the next level, there's a certain, I don't know, there's a certain gratitude.

And I think it's the way I was brought up also. But you just didn't cancel. I mean, it's show business. There's no business like show business. They smile when they are low. Yeah. They smile when they are low. They don't cancel the show when they are low.

No. We should redo the song. Redo the song for the Chapplerone fans. Have you ever canceled? Never canceled. Also, never missed a show in over 40 years, about 40 years on the road. except for two times and both times it was because the plane couldn't get there. The plane physically couldn't.

Once it broke and once it was weather. Never missed one episode of Politically Incorrect, which was like 2,000 episodes or something, probably 800 real times. Never missed any of those shows except for the two they made me when I had COVID, wink, wink. So I could have died. I felt way worse.

Other times when I did the show pre-COVID, you know, if I had just the flu or something. But back then, you know, it was just like, that's the heroic thing to go on there. Don't get anybody sick, but, you know, you could do, I'm not kissing them. You know, we're not making euphoria here. I'm just talking to them across a table. But it is interesting to see the, like, there is a difference. And everybody's different, whatever.

But I know the way that you, how hard you worked coming up and doing what you did. And you've had a dream and you were meeting people. You were like it was, the work was a part of the process. Same as you. So same as me. But it is a little different today. I'm not saying that people don't work hard because they do. But when people ask me for advice and they say, this is what they say.

And there's this internal voice telling me as soon as they say this, they'll say, well, how do you, how do you have any advice on how to make it? And there's this, look, I wanted to make it. too, right? But still, you don't, there's this internal voice inside of me thinking that person's never going to make it telling myself. I wouldn't tell them that. But, because... Well, maybe it's the kind thing to do. Maybe it is. But no, you never know. But it ain't enough to me to tell them. Yeah, yeah, you never know. But you don't do it to make it. You don't, you, you do it because it's what you do. You got up every night and did your thing because it's what you do. And a lot of times, I can't speak for other comedians,

but I'm pretty sure this is how they felt too at that stage. You have to really psych yourself up to keep going and to do it because the last experience you had with it sucked so bad. Yeah. Really? Way worse, I bet than, I mean, I've seen in smaller venues,

even in larger ones sometimes, when the audience isn't listening to the band, and the band knows it, right? That's right. Okay, but you're in the middle, of a song, you know, you have each other to like, okay, you know what, fuck you people, we're going to just enjoy playing this for each other, and it's still a great song, and whatever.

Comedians don't have that latitude. Oh, no, you're so exposed. You're so exposed. Exactly. You're more exposed than we are. Like, I have this mentality of going, okay, the worst of the audience, the more we're going to give them, they're going to like it where they like it or not. That is the attitude you should also have as a committee.

and I did not. That's the bad thing when I was young and stupid is that is exactly the attitude that would have served me well and it was the precise attitude I'd like. Yeah, but there had to have been a moment where, I mean, I remember, me and the band were, it was in some arena, maybe it was Rupp Arena in Lexington, Kentucky, somewhere,

or something like that, where we knew that it just changed. Something was changing. It's not like it was yesterday. It's not something like. in your popularity. Yes, but in the connection with the audience. Yeah.

So there had to be in a moment for you like that. Oh, yes. It's perhaps even more obvious with me because laughter is very measurable. Right. You know, you either hear it or you don't, you know. And they're either laughing all the way through your set or maybe sporadically, but I remember literally the date the first time I did 20 minutes and it was like from beginning to end, it was solid.

There was no genius, but for 20 minutes, I could actually make strangers laugh continually. And that to me was like one of the watershed moments. It's such an incredible talent. And I think you are born to do that. Partly, yes. I mean, you have to have the gift of gab, but you are born to do that. Well, you know what you really need for? Timing.

That's exactly right. You are either born with timing or you're not. It's innate, I guess. And there's something to be said, like my friend John McGinnelly was telling me, I forgot who he was talking about. The actor? Yeah, the actor. Oh, I know. Oh, yeah.

Platoon. He was talking about when you're on stage, either as a comedian or an actor or what, the gift of pausing. There's something that brings a man. That's timing. And then you have to feel it. You can't teach it. You cannot. You really can't.

I mean, you also need material. You could get writers to do material, but I feel like material is always best done by the person who writes it because they hear it exactly the way it's supposed to be done. Yeah, the pacing and everything of it, yeah. That's why it's always painful when they portray comedians in movies about comedians and they're doing, it's just, it's one level removed from reality. And to a comedian, it's just nails on a chalkboard. Yeah. It just is. You know, it's, I mean, you must see people sometimes in movies portraying musicians.

Oh, yeah, all the time. Yeah. I mean, sometimes it's... Sometimes it seems authentic. Yeah, and they do it way better than they used to. I mean, in the old days, you know, a guy would go to play the piano. They would just cut to his face, you know, and they wouldn't even attempt. And now they seem to be able to do it.

I mean, they have tricks that I don't get it, but where you just see the person sit down, and start to play and pan up. So you never cut away. And yet it's definitely not that person playing the piano at that level. Somehow they, but you know, that show business. Yeah, I went in, I went to the bathroom before I came in here and it reminded me of something that there was a poster on the wall.

And I had no idea I was going to talk about this today. And it reminded me of this film you did that just blew my mind. What? The one on religion. Oh, religious. Yeah, those posters are gay posters. They don't know. I mean, that was my career in the 80s doing things like B movies like that.

One of my writers makes those, they're hysterical. But religiousists, yes. I can't tell you how many times I've seen it. Like, and I forgot about it. That means a lot to me. Because here's what is because I grew up. A lot of that movie spoke to me. It really did.

Because I do believe, you know, I grew up very. very Southern Baptist, right? And after I saw that film, the girl I was dating at the time, she and I drove around just about a 10 mile radius of where we lived, and we counted 32 churches. Yeah, I've been to places like that. Memphis is like this. Yeah.

I remember driving through, wow. And, well, that means a lot to me because, you know, that movie, I'm sure, did not play in the theater there, because I remember when we- Probably not. when we released it. And it was financially one of the biggest documentaries ever. Now, the numbers are way lower for documentaries,

but I think when it came out, it was the seventh biggest one ever. And it didn't play in most of the country. Because in most of the country, the Bible Belt, they were not gonna show religious. But look, I can tell you, it really spoke to me because I grew up Southern Baptist. And I hear this all the time from people like that, yeah.

To church with my grandmother and my mother, and then she was a very godly woman. And I was taught, that this is the way, or if you don't do it this way, it's wrong. Or you're gonna, you know, they literally scare the hell out of you, right? Well, as a Catholic who went through the system,

you know, and my mother was culturally Jewish. I don't think she ever went to church, but we'll say she's Jewish, yes. People always say, oh, Bill, if your mother's Jewish, you're Jewish, I'm like, okay, first of all, religion is an opinion, okay? It's not an ethnicity, it's an opinion. It's just an opinion that I think Muhammad is God or Jesus is God.

I don't have an opinion. I was forced into having an opinion that was Catholic when I was young. Now my opinion is neither one of them. So don't tell me what I am. What I am is a Catholic-raised atheist. Yeah. Okay, that's what I am. And I put in time with the Catholic Church, and I want credit for it.

I want the credit because it was painful. I think for me, like I've been on stage. so much and I've seen music like change people and I think there's there's got to be something in there I I something that we don't understand of course like I think there's something much bigger than all of us that's full of love light oh and positive energy that we're and connectivity that we don't understand well I can only go halfway there with you once you start describing what it likes about the world or us love and light and I don't know about that I mean I because there's a lot of stuff that's dark and not too lovely.

I understand that. My thing is people think there's some big difference between atheists and agnostics. It's the same thing. Even atheists don't say, we are sure of what it is and it's not God. No, we just don't know and we don't care. We're never going to know, so we don't put a lot of energy into it. But we definitely don't think, with all the fucked up shit on Earth, I could start a list. but let's not get the price.

But you know what I'm talking about. With all that shit, either God is incompetent or cruel or, I mean, there's just no reason for a lot of the suffering. And so, like, I'd rather not, if I think about it too in terms too much of like he did this, I'll start not to like him. And I want to like him if he exists.

And it's just. And maybe it's my messed up sense of humor, but I probably wasn't supposed to laugh at this moment. Again, I didn't think we were going to be talking about this, but it's my messed up sense of humor. You were talking to this guy in this religious bookstore. And he said that no matter what, if it's, you know, I'll be in a better place, whatever. And you said, well, why don't you kill yourself? Watch you hang yourself tomorrow then.

I know I'll be in a better. And I, like, spit my water out in the bus. I was laughing so on. So, anyway. Poor guy. I saw that poster in there, and I just haven't bringing up. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. No, that was in Boston. You know, the ones I really, I mean, I loved all the ones. But I especially like the ones in the South. There was the... The truck stop.

The truck stop in Raleigh. Yeah. And, you know, I do have an affection. Not just for that part of the country, because I played it my whole life. And those are my people. Those are your people. And I love your people. And I hate it. That America and the kind of snobby people that I rub shoulders. with a lot out here. I'm sorry, but that is a lot of what Los Angeles is, very uber-woke, snobby types. And I think I used to be more of them. I'm glad I'm not.

And I think traveling the country and being in those places just gave me a very different perspective than people who just stay here. Because, you know, I always have more fun there. I like the audience better, usually, because they were generally liberal but not stick up their ass, woke, like, anti-

because politically incorrect. You can't say anything to them. Yeah, that's great. So I would always have a better time in Huntsville, Alabama. Yeah, yeah. Or where NASA is, you know. Did you ever play Knoxville? I'm from Knoxville, Tennessee.

Did you ever go there? Of course. I played them all. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, and I've done this editorial on my show a couple of times about country music, which, you know, I feel like country music and me, we truly met in the middle. I mean, when I was a kid, and I grew up with the late 60s, 70s radio.

That's my formative years. I was 12 in 1968 when what topped the charts was the Beatles, somewhat. They were a little on the head, hey Jude that year, so they had the biggest one. But, you know, Tommy James and the Chandel's and the Rascals, and we're still in that era, the Rolling Stones. I mean, great bands and Aretha Franklin, you know. And so... Oh, I forgot what I was going to say. No, you were talking about you met country in the middle.

Oh, yes. So back then, country was picking it in a grin. You know, it was just... Somebody in the New York... I was in Jersey, the New York media market. It was total hick. It was he-ha. Was it on in the set...

Well, and they presented it that way, in a lot ways. I don't think. Excuse me. I love you, bro, but I don't think they were misrepresenting it. I'm just saying. They were not like they're, oh, look, he's playing. You know what's crazy, though, if you go back and watch some of that, I mean, as hokey as it is, if you go back and watch some of those old versions of He-Haw that was out, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is funny. It is funny. They, they, they, they, they, they, they wrote to those, it was great. You know what it was. It was. You know what it was. really it was it was it was hick laughing yes there was a show laugh yeah I know laugh in right okay and it was kind of let's do that but for you know like the three-fifths of the country that sound like you yeah not the people who sound like me which is perfect English oh you oh my god if you went if you went to like my mom has a twin and I grew up in a family of women and wow

You would have a hard time listening to them at a family function. Why? It was just because they, of the accent, what you're talking about. I know. I like the accent. Oh, no. I talk the way I talk. But, I mean, like, I would take girls home with me for, you know, Easter or Christmas or whatever,

and they would have it. They'd almost need, like, a Rosetta Stonebook, you know, or whatever to get to follow a while. I mean, girls who didn't have the Southern accent. Yeah, that's right. I imagine you took a lot of girls home for a lot of holidays. Well, I took one girl home. Like my family, I mean, I don't know. How many siblings did you have?

One. One. Okay, so I had a sister, but I also had an Aunt Missy that was my same age. My mother's sister, my mom and my grandmother were in the hospital at the same time having us. Swear to God. This is a me sent a shit here now. I don't know what I'm telling you. See.

What were we talking about? I can't even remember. No, no, let's go back to it. What was it? It was something important. So I took a girl home that's a family full of women, and they dissect everybody that you bring there. Every girlfriend ever brought there, they were just talking behind her back or whatever. And I took this girl home one time.

Because they thought that she weren't good enough for you. Well, possibly. But I took her home for some holiday. the next day I called my sister. I said, okay, what everybody think. And she goes, well, she was fine and all, but she had the wrong bra on with that shirt. Right.

It was that detailed. See, we never do that. Yeah. Country people do that. I know men are, no, I talk about men and women. Oh, no, we don't do that. We don't know. We don't.

We never say, oh, oh, Kenny, he was wearing the wrong bra. Yeah, or it's, yeah. It's just like. We don't even think it. Yeah. We're plainly better. So, yeah. But, I mean,

You know, okay, let me broaden this out since we're on this subject. But like, I feel like the biggest change, like big overarching change in music as far as lyrically, when most music is love song music of one kind or another. No, of course, there's protests. Songs about everything. And there's songs we don't even know what they're about. Grimes in Clover over and over. Okay.

If you say so, Tommy. But, okay, so, but like love songs, here's the problem in the old days when people were very, so we say, prudish about, you know, the Beatles, I want to hold your hand. I mean, that's as good. It was just about love. It just did no, nothing was sexually explicit. Oh, no, no. Okay. I feel like somebody like you are so much more elegant about the way you are communicating.

this but it's it's it's it's just I don't know maybe it's my age but to me it's so classy you know like I love guilty pleasure yeah because I feel like there was quite a few years when I felt that way I mean you live in the middle you know well you're like don't tell your mama about us yeah I feel like it's better if we kept it that way that is something I've said I mean if I had a nickel for every time that's right I'd probably have at least $2.50. And that is a very authentic song for me, right? I mean, it's very authentic. But it's, when I was a kid growing up and like looking up to men and, you know, you know,

I was a red-blooded American heterosexual boy. Like the guys who were like attractive to women, whether it was Joe Namath or, you know, somebody like that. Start your Alienware Journey with the streamlined Alienware 15. They designed this machine to refine the essentials, creating a more focused gaming laptop for players who demand quality without the clutter. They designed a brilliant 15.3-inch 16.5 Hertz display seamlessly into a portable 15-inch body. You get a larger immersive window into your game that still travels easily wherever your mission takes you. Inside, an Intel Core 7 processor drives high performance during every session. It delivers the speed and responsiveness you need to keep your game smooth and seamless.

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the highest pinnacle to get in life to be that guy to be that guy because I certainly was the other guy I think what I was like somebody who was like I don't know maybe we were we've all been that guy and didn't know it. The guy who, no. Yeah. Oh, the guy who's getting shafted or the... Yes, the guy that's getting shafted too. Yes, but...

We've all been that guy probably. I definitely know I was that guy. Yeah, I was that guy. I like being the other guy better. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm sure you know the great classic Eagle song, Lion Eyes. That's kind of in that area because, you know, in the song, you know, she's given to a man with hand is cold

as ice. Yeah. Right. I mean. So being, I want to assume that, um, being from Jersey, I mean, were, were you a big Bruce guy? Bruce Springsteen? Yeah. I am a Bruce guy. I know, I mean, I don't know how giant. Um, I, you know, I don't know. It's, now that starts to get to be a, it's so funny. Everything has to be political now. See, I just, I just refused to do it. I was very thankful when I came on your show in November, that you knew I didn't want to talk about that because I've never, ever.

I didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, you didn't want to. Yeah, it's your show. I don't want to talk about it all the time. I want to talk about it in the places I do want to talk about it. But like, I'm a multi-dimensional. Hello. You know, so, yes, on the show,

have the governor of California, Gavin Newsom could be our next president. Am I going to just shoot the shit with him? No. Then we're going to talk about real shit. I just never felt like it was my place. It's not always everybody's place. You're right.

There's a certain ego, I think, that lives in there at a certain box inside your head and your soul that you have to check for some reason to think that you can make a difference. And I... Well, you can make a difference by speaking out. And it doesn't. You're just...

I mean, I think they've actually studied this. When celebrities talk, I think it has the opposite effect. I agree. They were all waiting, by the way, for Taylor Swift in 2024. If Kamala just had Taylor's, it didn't help, and they think it hurt. You know, people, the real regular people, you know, like us. The Baptist bro, you know, like us when we were behind the hay. Remember the hay?

Yeah. We had, okay. And we're just being real. and drinking moonshine. Yeah, I've never had that. Once, but anyway. Oh, you've never had moonshine? Once.

I've had it. You know who gave it to me? I still have two jars of it, but if you want some. No, I don't want any. Larry Flint. Oh, God, see, that's great. I don't know if it's great.

I think it's great. It is kind of great. You're right. Why am I denying it? No, it's great. Larry Flint. Yeah, take it. It's great.

Came over in his gold wheelchair. Every time he came into a party, at my house when I used to have parties in my house. And in his gold wheelchair. Woody did such a great job in that film. Woody Haraldson has. And the People versus Larry Flint is great. By the way, I saw a thing with you and him, and it was just a gas.

It was the funniest thing. I know. We did that on 420. I looked, yes, and I look, I said, Woody's in his pajamas. That's what I see. He was very insulted because, you know, Laura told me he spent a long time in the day picking out what he thought was a great outfit. Which is so far, we'd so absolutely

how different we think. Anyway, did you see how we got off politics? Yeah, and I just want to say, I love Larry Flint. I don't want anybody to hear this and think, oh, I'm slagging on it. No, I loved Larry. And I would, he was a fan like way before I was famous. He just

had seen me like on the Tonight Show and right now. And, I mean, he always wanted to, you know, I could never have a conversation with three minutes without him saying, Bill. Wanted you a me on your ear show more. Because you sound like that, Larry. I love you, but you're like, I'm not trying to scare the horses in this treat.

You know what I'm saying. I know you do. Well, but anyway, like, anyway, like I've never saw it, saw it to be my place to use my stage or platform, no matter where I'm playing, to tell people how to think or how to vote. They hear that. They get that everywhere else, everywhere, on every device, every network. Exactly. Every network.

They're there as an escape from all that stuff. See, I don't see, I mean, in my world, like, I don't watch a lot of comedies. Comedy, comedy stand-ups, because it was like, well, that's what I do. I don't want to see something and think, oh, you know, that's kind of like a joke idea. I don't want to know. You know what I mean? I want, so I can be more pure. I would tell you, though, used to when I first got started, I was so competitive and wanted to get to the next level.

I would be that person going, you know, why them and not me? and then I just, I don't know, it was, I would have to. Okay, you're playing this fear now. Yes. So you won. Right. Because that is, you know, to be the first country. But I mean, early on, I would be that competitive.

Now, I'm just, you know, whatever happens happens. One of the great things about aging is you become so much more mellow because you did it. You don't, a lot of my anxiety when I was younger was always about, am I going to make it? am I, you know, am I, yeah. And once you do, it's like the biggest off your shore, especially for guys like us who are single. You know, we're lone wolves. We don't have that like, you know, you're a chaser.

I don't like it. You are. Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. All my energy goes to healing America. I don't have time. I would love to, but I can't. The country needs me, and that gets all my. attention and and and you know uh and you don't no you ever did no not even in your

fucking island paradise i used to yeah that's right yes but i have learned uh that i do uh to help me sleep i do like a weed gumming every now and then to help me sleep yeah but then i had to learn my dosing because i didn't when i first did that a couple of times i didn't know my dosing and all of a sudden i lost my motor skills and i was like and you would never you know You never perform, right? Never. That would be crazy. That would be crazy.

And you don't drink. But I mean, like last year, we did 12 shows at the sphere last year. We're going to do another 11 or 12 this year. And that's like to see what's going on up there and behind us. I can only think about the people that are high out there watching it. You know, because it's a completely different, it's, let's just say for people that have lived with and experienced by music for a long time. They come to that space. and it's almost like they experience it

in a completely different state of consciousness. And so I, yeah, I don't get high doing that. You know, I just, I used to drink on stage, but I don't do that anymore. I did too. I always thought it gave me some sort of edge or something or I was having more fun. But then I realized that was just, that was a falsehood.

Yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't think it's always a falsehood. I think liquor really is a good time. No, oh. You know, but so I don't. But for me to get up there and do, the older that I've gotten, the more I realized that,

because there was a moment of my life where I wanted to be one of them. They were getting drunk, I was getting drunk, and there was this common synergy on stage. And then the odor that I've gotten, and the more I've really am, I don't know, very particular about what I put into my body. Me too.

You have to be when you're older. So I can do that. do that can continue to do it. So, no, I don't get high on stage. I don't really drink my stage. Let's not get ourselves. Liquor and drugs have improved my record collection. No, no, I do.

Yeah, of course. I mean, drugs do, I mean, you know the group The Doors? Yes. They're named after the Aldous Huckley book, The Doors of Perception, which is what he referred, yeah, it's what he referred to drugs as. So, you know, it does open doors. It can make you better at what you're doing. artistically, the problem is that at some point,

you then do way worse, and you have to know where that is, and it's always moving like a clitoris. You just can't quite keep licking the same spot. I really, well... Metaphoric. I realized, though, that there was, after a while of being out there and acting like that, I realized there was a fine line between a groove and a rut.

So, and that's perfect. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, he should put this, that in this song. So, and it's really bad when you think you're in a groove, but you're really in a rock. Yeah. And so I just kind of had to have more clarity up there. Yeah, me too.

And look, I don't regret, I regret many things in life, but I don't regret the things that apparently were necessary. as a passageway to where you get to. That's right. It's silly to beat yourself up now that you're a butterfly for when you were a worm. You had to be a worm before you were a butterfly. I mean, you in particular. Yeah. No, it's true.

No, there was a lot of ride of passages to do what we did. It's paid. It's called paying your dues. And for me, it's painful to look back. I had occasion because I had. getting this award and so I have to put a clip package together of like you had to go in career stuff so I was looking at like some early stand-up on TV and it's like all I could think of is make it stop please make it stop I'm doing this set on the tonight show and it's not it's it's not horrible I'm sure the people are laughing Johnny's laughing I'm not laughing I mean I'm just because were you nervous well no I actually wasn't I was very confident were you high I was not high okay But I did look like I belonged. I just, the material just embarrasses me now, some of it.

Was this the first time you did? Well, there's the one, the first one, yes. And then there's, I was watching one of the early ones, you know. We're talking about the mid-1980s and the jokes. Oh, and by the way, a lot of it, you couldn't do today because it would be so politically. Somebody would be triggered or offended. Very much so. I mean, a few of your teens from talking about primitive people.

primitive people. I mean, they would just fucking chop my head off that I'd have been trapped primitive people. And the audience, and everybody, you know, and I always say if everyone was in on it, how can you blame? You know, if everyone was in on it, nobody seemed to be objecting.

Well, you know how you can get lost? I mean, when you're on a bus a lot or in a hotel room a lot, you can kind of get lost on YouTube and whatever. But some of the stuff that Roger Dangerfield said, and all these people, and everybody was laughing. It was great. Don Rickles.

Remember Don Rickles? Oh, God. It's great. Yeah. I mean, he also could be corny. I saw him open for Sinatra near the end of Sinatra's career in 95. Took my mother to see him at Radio City Music Hall. And he was still doing the ethnic jokes, and it was a little cringy.

Then. Then, 1995. The black guy's in the band behind him. You can see him going like, don't trip on it. You know, it is what it is. He'll be dead soon. Okay, look, so when you were growing up, like, who did you see and however you saw them,

however they came into your life, that made you want to be you, that made you want to do what your- Johnny Carson. Yeah, more than anybody. So doing his show the first time must have been a huge deal. Yeah, it was. And even if there hadn't been that personal element, It just was a huge deal because back then, if you did good on your first time, you were like officially in show business, even at the very bottom of the barrel, but officially in and you, they'd invite you back.

And then it looked like, oh, well, Johnny liked him. That was a huge thing. Oh, and then you all of a sudden had 20 date. You could go out and do stuff. Well, I wouldn't. I did get hired by Diana Ross to open for her in Las Vegas, yes, which was a big thing. But, you know. So how did that go?

Because I hired a comedian once. It was horrible. to open a New Year's Eve show for me. I don't know if you know. Speaking of really country comedians, there was a guy named James Gregory that I became friends with. And he was really great, and I loved him.

And he did the circuit and the South and everything, you know, sold his T-shirts after the show and all that kind of stuff. Well, I hired him to open for us on New Year's Eve one night. And he said he would never do that again. I don't blame him. First of all, New Year's Eve is the worst night of the year for the comedian because the people are...

But it's a music crowd. Listening to a... At the time when they're very drunk. Yes. It's like it is a perfect storm of everything, a comedian. So you did that with Diana Ross? It was not New Year's Eve. But I opened...

Still, though, it was... Oh, yeah. Yes, absolutely. And it was really painful. First of all, this was 1982, which I call the deadball era in Las Vegas, post-rat Pack. So it wasn't Sinatra or maybe the last years of him or something,

but it wasn't that crowd. And it wasn't the... They finally found a way after like wandering in the wilderness for, I think the whole 80s, maybe the 90s. Yeah, in the 90s, they tried to go family. They were like, oh, fuck, this is stupid. It's Las Vegas. Then they finally found a way, and they did. They attracted the young crowd back to Las Vegas.

Like, it's a whole new thing, and it's fun, and we can go to clubs and do ecstasy. Yeah. And, you know, but when I opened for her, it was just like the whole town was very old. You know, just everything was, I was 26 and they weren't. Oh, yeah, it was a much bigger gap at the time, right? It just was a... 26 in Vegas, guys. Yeah.

That's great. And, you know, it was just a painful, the audience was a tough audience anyway, Vegas. Terrible rooms for comedy because it was plush, whereas comedy, you want this kind of shit, so the laughs bounce. Do you think they were jaded at all? Not by me, because they didn't know why. fucking was. They were definitely not... I think you and I would have fit in

and go with a rap pack, though. I would like to think we would. Kenny, you... I'm telling you, a lot of your songs make me think, you know, that actually at 70, I should be even more

depressed than I am about not being able to live the way all your songs remind me I used to live. I used to be the guy who was the guilty conscious guy. I used to out, you know, what we did last night. You know, I used to tell girls, don't tell your mother of me. All these things that made life wonderful.

You know, wonderful. I was living on fast forward, all this kind of shit. Yeah, me too. My friend, what do you call yourself? Hillbilly Rockstar out of control. And, you know, like, friends are worried about you. You should have been out there then when it was awesome. Anyway, go ahead.

Where? When we were Hillbilly Rock Stars out of control. Oh, I'm sure. Before social media. Oh, I was a comedian in Hollywood out of control. Yes, great. I mean, I always say... But you made it through.

There's an old saying that somebody said it, when you get to be a star, a celebrity, whatever, you get a year to act like an asshole. And I may have taken to them. Yeah. You know, and you may have taken... Well, look, you know, when you get a record deal, I feel like, you know,

the business gives you one big lemon to squeeze. And we squeezed every bit of that, and that lemon is fun, you know, and we squeezed every single drop out of that. We had a lot of fun. What year did the last drop ooze? Oh, no, we're still squeezing it, but it's a much different fun now. I mean, it's almost the kind of fun we had from 1994 till around 2010. We had a lot of years.

That's a lot of it. Then I was just tired of it. I woke up one day and I went, hmm, I think I'm, I think I'm tired of this, I want to do what I do because I woke up on the bus one day and I went. You take a bus? Well, back in the, yeah, I still have a bus. I fly to the first show, and then I'll kind of ride the bus here and there

and then I'll fly home. How long's the bus right usually? Six hours? Oh yeah, six hours, six. And that don't bother you? No, no. I sleep better on the bus and most of the, not do anywhere in my life.

You sleep on the bus. Yeah. I went on a bus once. I rode with the band when I was opening with somebody else. To Wolftrap, you must have played Wolfstrap outside DC. Oh yeah, yeah. Outside venue, very big in the summer. Yeah.

Like amphitheater. Yeah. Yeah. But like people on the lawn. On the lawn, yeah. Yeah. I mean, lawn people I call them if you can't even get closed to wear their seats. Okay.

But it's lovely, beautiful starry night. But like that night driving. It's hard on you. Going from Charleston, West Virginia, I'm sure you've played there. Oh, yeah. But look, the interstate's in this, it's worse now because we haven't fixed the infrastructure. So the buses just do this more than they ever used to. Right.

So it's harder now. But I remember waking up on the bus one day. I was 40-something. And I went, okay, you act in the way you're acting out here. It's not why you wanted to do this. like this so I that's when I kind of started to change a little bit and now I'm so focused on what I do I love being up there and I love feeling good up there and so but not to say we don't have any fun

but I'm not really getting this from the songs I'm getting a guy who really does like to be carousing and having a good time and being very popular I don't think that's ever going to leave me that's what that is that is I don't think it's ever going to leave us just as a fan No, I'm just saying it's never going to leave me or us, but I can tell you. No, no, it's our bodies. Look, you know what? And we didn't invent it.

It was given to us. Bodies are two individuals, what geography is to countries. Your geography ultimately is much of your destiny. We do have oceans on either side to protect us. Poland is between Germany and Russia. You know, we, when your body, allows you to act crazy, you do. And when it doesn't, you don't.

Because the, you know, of course you can wake up with a hangover when you're 25, but you get over it. When that tips, when the pain is so much worse than the pleasure it gave you. Yeah. Now, there are some people who can't help themselves. And they just keep going until they die because it does kill you. Yes, and they're on a slippery slope and will never come back. But that's kind of the epiphany that I had on the bus that morning. I went, I felt like shit.

And I was like, this is not why I wanted to do this. And if I keep doing this, it could be over. And it was that sudden? It was kind of that sudden. Epiphany, I know. Yeah, it was like an epiphany. As a Southern Baptist, I'm sure you know what the original epiphany was. The Burning Bush.

That's where we get the word. I did not know that. I think. No, that is my memory. That's what you were told anyway. College was 50 years ago. I smoked pot. But no, the Burning Bush, I think that is true.

I did not know that. Yeah, because it was an epiphany. Oh. You know, it was like something that, but that's why I asked the question because, like, an epiphany, connotes something that's very sudden, like a moment, like the aha moment or whatever, but that it sort of sneaks up upon you or you're not really thinking that way, and then suddenly you have an epiphany, you go, oh, whoa, the class. looks like Jesus, now I know what to do with my life.

You know, that's an epiphany. Well, I think it was more of a gradual time for me of realizing that, okay, if I wanna continue to do what I'm doing for a long time, and if I wanna do it the way that I do it on stage, I'm gonna have, I can't act like all this anymore. I can do it some of the time, but not all the time. We were having fun out there.

It was a lot of fun for a long time. So, in a crazy way, it fed the creativity. The Eagles used to call the after-party the third encore. Oh, I love that. Because, you know. And now it's different, though, because it's... I think you're similar to me, probably a lot of farmers would say the same thing. Like, if you really dig down, what does it do for you?

Well, certainly when you start, you need the money. Okay, so let's not say money isn't important. Money is very important. At a certain point, you have enough where you're not really, it's not the prime way. You're not turning it down. I like money. But, you know, you're not, that's, I don't need it. So, okay, what is it really?

I think it's like, I like to be a hero. And there's an audience that likes what I do, like, very particularly. Like, I can do something that they, I think, or they wouldn't buy tickets or be such loyal fans. I do something they think nobody else quite does. And to get, to scratch that it, they need me to do it. And I so, and I so want to, like, give them that gift then. You know, I really want to be their hero at that moment. We want you to, like, analyze the news this week in this funny way and say the right thing, the thing.

Okay, good. I want to, and I feel like you're probably doing the same thing. No question. I just love that I can be their hero for two hours. This is what they wanted me to do. And I did it. You know, I didn't fuck it up. I didn't not show up.

I didn't half-ass it. Didn't. You know, I didn't play the deep cuts that, you know. Yeah. And I've never done that, by the way. Like, have you ever been to shows where someone, like, you go see one of your favorite acts and they play, like, four or five deep cuts? Like, I've never done that, ever, because it took me years to get them here.

And I don't want to let them off the hook, right? And they've already voted. I mean, what is a hit record? It means they voted. They voted. We voted. The people voted. This is what we like it.

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And then this one just didn't click. But I think making music, though, I mean, for me, I think what, what makes a hit record is spontaneity. And so if you think that, okay, if you go into it and you're done, you're listening to it, and this is the best thing I've ever done, that kind of thing, I think you're setting yourself up because it may feed you,

but who knows if it's feeding anyone else? And we all have our own reasons for lacking what we do in the studio. But I think some of the best records that you have in your life and stuff that I have in my life are things that, that were just magic that happened

and not planned and I think that's where the best records are made honestly I know some writers have said that the hits come fast I know Sting has said that a few of the people

I feel like I've heard that before like they just seem to come and I've always said that simplicity is one of the hardest is one of the hardest things to do but it's entirely unquantifiable why someone likes a song. I'll just speak for myself, why I like a song.

I can try to describe it to you, but at the end of the day, I either like it or I don't. And it has a lot to do with the melody because, or the way the chords come after each other, whatever it is. Some of it, it just delights me to no end. See, I don't like minor chords. Like, don't, don, don't like that.

At all? record that well i mean you can have a few but i i tend to shy away from like especially going into the course like what's a lot of minor chords oh well i don't know i mean like there's a bunch of me but but those that are they're they're pitched to me and i never write like what's one i would know a famous song for it that has a lot of minor chords i mean doesn't see the jeff buckley doesn't allelujah isn't it full it's it's full of minor chords. What's wrong? Hallelujah.

Allelujah. Oh, isn't that Leonard Cohen? Yeah, but Jeff Buckley recorded it and it's one of the more famous. I hate that song. You do? Yeah. Yeah, of course you do. I feel like, first of all, I feel like it was forced upon me on several occasions. It was. It was.

Well, that's why... It's like, I don't know, it's like one of those songs that is just like, oh, you know what? You have to be just as mad about this as we are. I don't even know what you're talking about sometimes. And there's just something about it that yeah, I just think

people, like I was saying a million years ago before I forgot what we were saying. Like I feel me and country music like met in the middle. When I was a kid and it was all about he-ha, that's what God has distracted. He-ha. When I was a kid finally back to there. Right. We're back to that.

It was all, it was just, it was just way too corny and it was like I did. You didn't identify with it at all. And it didn't sound anything like rock music. Occasionally, there would be a song, you know, it broke through in the late 60s, I think 68, 69, that I still love, still play to this day. That was absolutely a country song, Rose Garden. Yeah. I beg your pardon. Oh, who sang that?

That was a... That promised you were road garden. That identified. wanted like, oh, great. Now I'm going to like really get into country music. But country music became like, it's just, is your music country music? Yeah, because it's, it's, it's rock. It's, it's, it's, it's what happened to me. It's pop music. It's pop music at its best. I grew up, I grew up, obviously, in East Tennessee in the country. And I had country music in my grandmother's house because I live with my, I live with my grandmother for three or four years while

my stepfather was in Vietnam. Okay. And then... And your mother? And my mom, me and my mom, and we live with my grandparents. So I heard country music there. And I heard country music on the way to school,

and on the way to the ballpark. But when I was in school and at practice and everything, I heard rock music. And then my road manager, still to this day, we grew up together, David Farmer, in his garage, I heard Van Halen. I heard Sammy Hagar, I heard ACDC, and I still, I love that music so much.

So I think that, and this is the best way I can explain me and the music that I've made, I think when you become an adult and you get to make a record and you go on the road, the music that you make as an adult is a direct reflection of everything you consumed as a child. And so it wasn't just, he, which that was there but it wasn't just these things but it was it was it was the

Eagles it was Tom Petty it was Joe Walsh it was and Eagles themselves are a mixture of country and if the Eagles came out today they would be considered country right especially with their early stuff yeah because you had Glenn Fry from Detroit Michigan not country at all mixed with Don Headley from Texas yeah and you know people are just like music it usually comes out better when they're mixed yeah Elvis was a mixture that's right gospel country that he certainly grew up with and rhythm and blues you know what they can't make any other record people ask me all the time well you know me you you kind of make

in ways I mean you you you you have a lot of layered loud drums and guitars layered guitars but I talk the way I talk and I sing the way I sing so I could never make a record how do I say this like there are some people out there that make country records as a vanity project, right? I couldn't make a rock record or a rap record. I could. I could make one of those records, but it would be a vanity project. That wouldn't be authentic. And it'd be a waste of my time, actually. So I make the records that I make, but it is a complete mixture of the music that I soaked up like a sponge growing up.

And that's just the way it is. Well, as a fan, and I think I speak for all fans, not just to you, but to all people in show business, we appreciate whenever any of you don't do vanity projects. Yeah. This has been a message from Bill Maugh, to you, my fellow celebrities, and the bullshit that you try to pass on to us.

Don't do vanity projects. Okay? Yeah. You are privileged to be working, in this wonderful industry where we don't really work. I mean, we work, but we enjoy our work. That is between a job and a career. I've had jobs.

A job is something I don't like to do, but I do because I need money to eat food. A career is something that, yes, I, you know, put my shoulder to the grindstone, but it's a very, a very feathery velvet grindstone. You get to make people happy and laugh, and you get to have this man cave down here That's unbelievable.

Be their hero. Yeah. We get to be the hero. If you do what you do and stick to what you do, don't do the vanity project. Yeah, it's just, you know. We see it all the time, and I'm cringe. You know, if you're an actor and you also want to sing, you better sing awesome. And the pendulum swings the other way on that.

If you're a singer and you want to be an actor, you better be pretty good. That's an easy. I feel like that's easier. You think that's easier? I do because. I've long held a theory that anyone can act. I mean, not anyone, but it's like, please, children do it, former wrestlers do it.

I mean, there are a few. Yeah, former wrestlers. I did it. It's just not that hard. What is reality TV? It's people acting their lives. It's just that we're all... And there's a lot of ways for people to get jobs these days.

Here's how to think of it. We're all liars. And acting is lying. It's just, and people are just very good at it. Especially Americans in this era. They're just a bunch of fucking, so they're acting all the time about every fucking thing. Well, now more than ever on these phones and stuff,

it's always a bunch of posing. Yeah. It is. And I'm trying to think of singers that became good actors. Delight Yocham, I think, is a good actor. Yes. Oh, no, quite a few. Yeah. Frank Sinatra.

I didn't know he acted. I didn't know he was an actor. What was he in? Frank did 54 movies. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no. Oh, that's right.

They don't get media in the South. You're out by the hay. The Manchurian candidate? I didn't know why I did it was in that. Not only was he in it, he got it made. Wow. I got some digging to do. I do.

I got this whole new world up and up to me. Yeah, Frank did a lot of movies. I mean, you know, I don't think it was, the Manchurian kind of probably is the most important one he ever did, but the man with the golden arm. That was pretty about heroin, the golden arm, you know, the old white horse. You know what I'm talking about. Kenny, you're a musician, you do heroin. Okay.

You know, so, but yeah. Who else? Who else was a singer that really, like, I think Dwight was really, is a really good actor. Elvis. Yeah. It's a shame that what happened to him. I mean, the first movies they put him in. and were not what he later called the travelogues.

You know, he did 29 pictures, don't we? Yeah, he did 29 pictures. Like 25 of them were the exact same script. Yeah. They were fun in Acapulco, and, you know, it was all like, clam big, clam big. And, you know, like 12 forgettable songs, the same script where he's like, Deke Rivers.

And, you know, he's in love with this girl. Mr. Rivers only sings at 8 o'clock at the Riverboat Theater. I'm happy to leave this table, you know, you know, gets into fight. You just said, oh, it's just terrible. Or he's running from apartment to apartment because there's one girl in one and one girl to the other. He's switching. He's wearing a mustache.

Just like bullshit. But the first four that they put, I think the first four, were good. Well, he was good. He had, I mean, Elvis, no one had more charisma pouring out of his body just naturally. And also great looking. So Flaming Star, I mean, that had a racial element to it. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.

The one that Pearl Harbor ripped off. of what's the name of that one love me tender yeah the movie Pearl Harbor I loved it people shit on it Michael Bay's movie I loved it but it's the same plot he ripped it off from this oh like the more recent the plot is as Elvis and his older brother and they're living and it's in the prairie you know you would know they're on the prairie bear with me they're in the head and the Civil War comes and the older brother is engaged to this the attractive girl, like it's the prairie, like the only hot chick in town. Okay, so he goes off to the Civil War. They think he gets killed in the war. So then the younger brother, Elvis,

he gets with the girl. And then the guy comes home from the war. Oh, so it is the same plot. It's the exact same plot. Right. Oh, you thought I was dead? Yeah. And used that as an excuse to fuck my girl. Yeah. Well, bro, I thought you were dead. It's like Homeland. Did you ever see Homeland? Love Homeland. I loved it. Homeland. But it's kind of the same plot. It comes back from They thought it was dead. He comes back. You're right. You're right. I watched a lot of Homeland.

I did too. Homeland was the shit. Yeah. Especially that year where they were in Pakistan. Yes. Everything about it I loved. She was brilliant in that. I've never seen him by play a character with such anxiety in Poland. It was unbelievable.

And it makes sense for that character. I mean, if you're the type who wants to be in the CIA and do that for a living, you're not going to be the normal nine to five. You know, you're going to be the person with the red strings connecting the pictures on the wall. Yeah. And that's just to find the remote. That's one of my favorite. That is one of my favorite things on any, still to this day on any of the streaming services. I agree.

Like I've watched it, the whole thing, like several times. I wish HBO had that show. Yeah. It should have been an HBO show. Yeah. And you can't get them all. Yeah, anyway. But I like Succession, too.

Me too. I loved Succession. Me too. That's another... See, we got something in common. We have a lot in common. I'm telling you. You know John C. McGilley? I know John C. McGilley. I know. I don't know him, but I've been always been a fan. Oh, God, he's in fantastic. Why is he an old friend of yours? I met him in 2007. I was exhausted after our tour in 2007, and I rented a house in Malibu. Well, it was called then Trankus Market or whatever it's called. It's this. This is a supermarket out there. And I rented a house past that. And Rick Rubin introduced me and Johnny.

Has he produced your record? No, no. But, um, no, we've never worked together. We've been friends for almost 20 years now. But that's who introduced me to, to John McGinley. And John and I've been, and we couldn't be any different. There was a lot like me and you growing up. So there's no awkwardness about that? Like, like, why didn't you overproduce me? Oh, no. I don't at all. No, because I've worked with the same producers since 1997. I've kind of been in the, I'm not saying never one, we might one day. We better hurry. But we might. I mean, Rick made a lot of really great records on a lot of people. Well, he goes all, I mean, you know, there's no like genre. And also, he's a musical. He's just, it has. Yeah, he's not like a

musical savant. He's quite almost the opposite. Doesn't play an instrument. I mean, I saw the piece I did on him on 60 minutes, and it's interesting because it's just sort of like what a fan feels. Right. Sort of his method, which is pretty amazing. But his energy and everything is just wonderful and a great energy in the studio.

But that's how I met John McGinnelly. And John and I were a lot like you and I. Like he grew up in New York, Jersey, like that. And I go to his house every time that I'm in, in L.A. or in Malibu, I go to his house, and we sat in the sauna and ice and all that kind of stuff and work out. He's really one of my best friends in the last 20 years in my life. Yeah, I didn't need to picture you two guys in the sauna, quite frankly. I don't know why I needed to know. Yeah, you didn't need to. Like, okay, it's a friend. I got it. My great producer introduced

us. Right after. Suddenly, we're sitting there with our dicks hanging out. I don't know. Why? Why did it go there? I'm surprised you don't know him. Well, how would I run into him? I don't know. How do people run into people? How do you run into me? How do we know each other? Because you had a great bookup.

That's why I did the show. That's how we know that. I'm not even breaking it. I assume that's why you wanted to come here. Yeah, no question. By the way, I just, I'm so appreciative of that because I know, I mean, you are the biggest star. One of the biggest stars in all of music. And, you know, you need any promotion.

like a hole in the head. I mean, one guy in this world doesn't need anything to sell tickets, even though I'm going to read where you're, where you, oh, shit, I'm, um, do St. Marie, Michigan? No, that's where that, that's where that liquor went. I was going to say, didn't I have a shot for it? I did. It's just, I poured it into my crotch. You do it? Well, I do, but it's done. Um, June 19th to July 11th, that's at the, the sphere. I mean, this fear is such a big deal. Wow. It's a lot of fun.

I gotta go to the sphere. You should come. You should definitely come there. You don't have to come to the Virgin Islands, but you should come to the sphere. We'll take care. I got a sweet. Nope, I'll mess with you.

You can be home early. I used to, you know, I used to play Vegas like six times a year. I just have to Vegas a lot. I know, that's just the thing. You're probably so sick of Vegas. Well, it's been a year, so I'm ready to go back.

Okay. I like Vegas. I love Vegas. But I had enough Vegas for a while. We would have been good in a rat pack, though. We would have. we would have been good anywhere where our liver's allowed us to keep drinking that's the different it's not really i mean yes would i have loved to have been with sammy davis junior for any

reason and dean and frank yes and even joey bishop but it really is about our liver mostly i know like when your liver allows you you can be your own rat pack yeah i mean i'd rather you know start my own you can be you can be frank i'm i'll be happy being dean you'd be dean you'd be dean i'm but Perfectly happened. Dean has actually the cooler one. Yeah. June 19th, 20th, 24th, 26th, 27th. Oh, this is still the sphere. Yeah. July... These are the dates. July 1st, 8th. Tattoo this on yourself, people. So you're... July 1st, 8th, 10th, 11th. More may be listed there. All shows are at 8 o'clock at the sphere. Don't be late for the sphere.

Yeah. It's pretty incredible to play in that space. So it's been good for me because, you know, we didn't have to go to city to city. Did you have a lot to say about what plays behind you? All of it. Before I came here today. Like how much of your life was that dominating for a while? Were you having to like, because obviously it's this multi-dimensional experience.

Yes. Where stuff is on a screen. So you want, I mean, it's your show. You don't want to be like, surprise me. And then you look back and it's like, oh, whoa, I was so hands-on, sometimes to a fall. It's all dandelions. So, yeah, no.

Wait. Well, who said all dandelions? That's me? No, today, before I came here, I was, they have a smaller simulator, a sphere simulator here. And I was, it's where you create the content and you approve it. We've been doing this. So what is it?

What was your idea for the content? What do we see when we, you're on stage? Oh, every song is different. Every song, every piece of content is completely. It's tied to the song. It's tied to the song. So there's 30 different things you're going to see. And today, I was down there all day just approving and saying what I hate, what I love.

And there's a lot of my life in that content. Like, we've been creating this since we got done last year. So now it's all coming together. So it's an, it's an undertaking. Amazing how much the human mind can really take in in split seconds. Yeah. You know, it may, some of that is probably not good. We're forcing our minds to work too quickly or without taking stuff in and social media,

blah, blah, blah. But when you realize how different it is from a few hundred years ago when people would sit by a fire and just read a book, you know, I mean, I wish people still would do that. But your mind is capable of taking in a lot in a very short amount of time. And once we, you know, sort of crossed the Rubicon, of where we knew we could do that to ourselves, it does become hard to go back. I'm always looking at old movies because,

oh, I heard this was a classic, and sometimes it's like, yeah, it just sucks. You know what? I'm sure it was great in 1950. It just is slow and obvious, and the acting is terrible, and I'm sure it was groundbreaking, and it's just, and some of them still hold up,

but we're at the sphere level, you know, There'll be a moment not too far in the future when if you don't have some sort of sphere experience, then it's like it's not even happening this concert. And I will tell you, like, for people that are in there, like, you know, and you know what I'm talking about because you're up there very exposed and by yourself. Part of your, it makes you good at what you do

is the connection that you hope with the audience. Yes. So for me, for years, I was like, okay, this is me, this is you, and we are right right this is this is way it's going to be all night us right well now you're at the sphere i'm there right and most most of them are going yes in a way you're purposefully sabotaging your own show you're purposely distracting the audience from so it took me a minute to get to get them like it's almost most audiences you know they come across the fence anyway like they're horny to be there they're excited but some you know especially the first couple of

like they were just, you can't help it. Right, and they came to see you. It's sort of like a hot girl saying, hey, come on, my tits are down here. Yeah. But really, I appreciate you come out. And I assumed it was just because, as I did, I wanted to get to know you better.

You too. Such a great venue for getting to know somebody. It's great. And it's great because when people, you know, who are, say, post-50, but you're post-50. Yes. Okay. Very post-50.

I'm 58. Oh, well, you can easily pass for 10 years younger. Oh, wow. Which is great. But, you know, celebrity takes off 10 years. Yeah. The camera adds 10 pounds. It just works like that.

But, no, I mean, I do appreciate that. No, when I did your show, when I did your show, I remember being, getting ready to leave, and I got in the car with everybody, and I went, I think it's, like, what just happened? Like that was a lot of fun. You never know how those, what is, four, five, ten minutes we spent out there, whatever it was, will go when you first meet someone and it's on record, right? It's just there. But I remember telling everybody in the car on the way back to the hotel, I said,

I think me and Bill are going to be friends. I hope so. I hope so. And you know what makes it so much easier to be friends? Like, we really never, other than ten minutes, we never sat down together. Never spoke to each other. We were aware of each other through telegenic, to telegenics, to electronics, I mean. And now on Christmas planet.

Telegenics. We were communicating telegenically. Okay, I revealed it. So what? We prayed for this. Yeah, okay. But, you know, it's so interesting because you lived a life for 58 years, and I lived a life for almost, well, 70 years now. I remember when the interview was, but probably I was already 70.

So, like, it's not like we knew each other those years. years, but we both knew life those years. And we knew because we're in the same generation, and honestly, we're both white men in America. Life was certainly a lot worse for people who weren't that when we were born, and we acknowledged that. But we just had so many similar experiences or so much common in our background that when we do get sit down to talk, it's not like I have to get to know you from like the get, whereas like somebody's, like somebody's, you. who's 22 or so, they just were born on Mars, as far as I'm concerned to them and also in reverse.

Yeah. But with us, it's like, well, I kind of have known you all my life, not you in particular. You know, when we started this journey, had like you talked about earlier, you had to work very hard, and there were true rights of passage to get to a different level.

And you know what? There's some commonality in that, and I feel that, and I respect it. Because, look, nothing, doing what you do and how you did it, nothing was given to you. Nothing. Oh, nothing. And that's the way it was for me. And we're not NEPO babies.

Well, really. Look, I'm not putting down NEPO babies. Everybody's got to make a living. And some of them are extremely talented. And I'm not surprised why. It is easier when you have it sort of in your blood and you're around it as a kid. You're not freaked out about it when you get honest. a set because daddy took you to this set.

Okay, I don't begrudge anybody that. Just don't ever tell me it was harder for you, which I've heard. It wasn't harder, it was easier. And I am, I just like it better that I wasn't an EPO baby. I'm like it better that I was, I am the first, and by the way, will be the last, because I don't have children. Right.

You don't have children, right? Yeah, not I'm children. And I think we've talked about this. You think you've missed? I never miss it. No, me neither. I mean. Now that's rare.

Two guys are rage. who both didn't have children and also still say they didn't miss it. We are in a small club, my friend. That's true. But for me, music was always my baby. Same with me in my show and comedy. Yes, absolutely.

I never once. Still to this day, I don't. But I've never thought, I mean, my mom did. I would go home years ago, mom go, well, because my sister can't have a child. And then I'm not having a child. So my mom's now, you know, getting up there. I'm getting up there.

So was my mother. But she doesn't have any grandbabies. My sister did not have children either. So. See, we got a lot in common. I know, which is our line is dying off. Yeah, no question. I never missed it.

No, I haven't either. And I don't care if my line dies off. So what? Yeah, I mean, what was going to be next? And also, by the way, if we had kids, they'd be Napo babies. Yeah, right. They'd be Nepo babies. And, you know.

I have thought about this, though, like, only because I, when you get to a certain place in your life, you do your will. Oh, yeah, I've done it. And so, I'm sitting there going, it really hit me that I didn't have a child when I have to figure out where all my shit's going. If something happened to me, and I'm like, okay,

and that was a hard thing to do. Because you accumulate a lot. I've got so much stuff. Life, not just stuff, but for, friends in the best way. But, you know, like, life is, among other things, it is an accumulation. Yeah. And when you write the will, it suddenly makes you have a need clarity on the value of it,

where, you know, it makes you think about it. Yes, I don't know. Who gets, what, this of whatever, you know. It does. And that's when it, that's the first time, honestly, that I realized, I've been so busy and so creative and so moving forward. But when I sat down to do my will, I was like, hmm, okay, who am I going to give this stuff to? And who do I want to make sure I don't? Who do I trust with it? No. Who do I don't? Yes. Who do I want to let know after the fact? Oh. So, so let's just say, how do you like it? I mean, yes, looking and looking back and saying, okay, if you had, let's just say you had four or five kids. And then you

out of will. What's worse? Not having kids and give it. I assume you would give it to something that would make the world a better place. Right. I mean, I feel, look, I never had. Or would you rather give it to kids that you didn't know that would take care of it? Look, I never had kids because I used this.

I was like, you know what? It's going to hurt, but it's certainly better than having kids. You just pull that out of your pocket? Where'd you get those sisters? I'm Harpo Marx, Kenny. I have props everywhere. Here's a lit candle. I was carrying around under my coat.

No, I, I, uh, no, I forgot. Something about kids. Anyway, kids. We don't have kids. Well, we don't have anybody to give it to what we're going. And we don't, we don't have hostility toward people who have kids or to kids themselves. It's just not our preference. I feel like one of the attitudes that I, from the earliest days on politically incorrect in the 90s,

was trying to sort of pioneer on TV against the grain was, first of all, you're not weird if you're single and never get married. That shouldn't be a weirdness. This should be it with just people's choices. Same thing with kids. There's no moral dimension to it. Having kids doesn't make you a better person. If you have kids and raise them right, you have my first. full admiration.

Yeah. But you can have kids and raise assholes, and then I think you're a huge asshole who just shouldn't have had kids. I don't think I would have been a good father. I think I would be a good father, but I don't know that I have the skill set at this point. But... You don't. I don't.

You say it's your new friend. Right? Something to be honest. We said we're friends now. Okay. So now I can just like... So, I mean, I don't know anything about a lot about your, first of all, were you ever married? Your sperm is too old.

It's not, it's too old. It's not gone. It's just, well, there's less swimming around. Well, you just don't trust them. Don't trust. I've never trusted them. What are you talking about? I didn't know trust was an issue.

I never trusted them. Another good song title. That's pretty good. I never trusted. I never trusted him. I never trusted him. Yeah, sing a whole song about your sperm. Yeah.

I mean, did you ever get married? Not to my knowledge. I was engaged. And I saw, I was, I told you I was looking through these old clips. It takes a lot to get me to look at myself. I'm only doing this because this is a big deal. So, but it's just torture. And there I am on The Tonight Show, and I do my little,

fucking dog and pony show out there which is making me throw up in my mouth and then I go and I sit down with Johnny which was a big honor and I reveal which I'd completely forgotten there on the panel of the tonight show

that I just gotten engaged so I hear you just got engaged that's very very exciting and I'm like yeah bro it's like what and I don't I remember getting engaged.

It never became a marriage, but I don't remember doing that on The Tonight Show. Oh, wow. And you saw it. I just watched it on this clip. And, you know. How old were you? I was 29.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I know marriage works for so many people. And some people are just, you know, you could say it's just sort of a case of, you know, in codependence. You know, it's just the trees grow together and at some point the roots intermingle so much that...

And untangling that would be a lot more work. Right, and a lot more work. And I get that. But there are some people where it's not about, it would be a lot of work or I'll lose all my money. It's really, I really love hanging out with her. I really love hanging out with him. Even Bill and Hillary, you know,

I remember when they asked her after the scandal and everything, whether she would leave him, and she was like, very honest, I thought. you know, and said basically, you know, I kind of thought about it. And yes, he's a hard dog to keep on the porch. But at the end of the day, there's just no one else as interesting in this whole world or who I really want to talk to as much. So, like, that's a lot.

That, to me, was a very cool thing to say. I'm sure I didn't say it word for word, but that was the gist of it. I love Bill. I've had an opportunity to meet him several times. Yeah. And I mean, he, I don't know of anyone that's his, he is very charismatic and can just, and can talk so well. Oh. It's, it can make you feel like, oh, absolutely.

Like you're the only person. Oh, absolutely. And that's a talent to that. It's really great. Well, I may have told this story before, but I'm going to tell it again. So, like, in the 90s, I was, like, invited to a number of places where he was speaking, you know, with the Democratic side and I still am

with a lot of them I hope and so I brought and of course this is the 90s I was out of my mind so I brought a date everywhere so I brought this hot blonde with me and you know it's like a meeting of maybe the 80 hundred people and at the end there's a you know

you get online so you can take a picture with the president it moves along pretty quickly with me I got on one side she got on the other side and I said something very offhand about he was about to travel to a trade conference and he spent the next five minutes like explaining trade to me and when I got off the line I said to my girl I said wow that's so awesome

he spent five minutes just telling me about the intricacies of this trade deal and she said yeah the whole time he was rubbing my back so that's what I love with my book I got invited he was a player oh my gosh I'm like talking about A dog. Like, there's certain people, I could name certain athletes who were like this. Oh, no question. One is the greatest basketball player of all the time. I'm not going to mention names, but just like, you mean they're like, wow, Warren Beatty.

Another one, like, Warren Beatty, according to legend, you should just pull chicks over, like on the road. Like, and then be like, I. And there's a talent to that, too. It's just, again, I couldn't do it, but I can't deny I. Bill Clinton invited me to come to the, the Hollywood Bowl to sing. It was me and Bono and a couple of other people to sing for him.

It was packed at the Hollywood Bowl. Sure. Wow. So I was there, and I had a song out with Grace Potter called You and Tequila. Yeah. And Grace lived out here at the time and still does, some of the time. So I said, Grace, I said, you should come sing you and tequila with me for Bill Clinton. Wow.

And Bill knew I was coming, but he didn't know that Grace was coming. And so I came out there and I introduced Grace to come on stage. And she had this bedazzled dress. And I swear to God, it was right here. And you could see, you know, Bill was sitting there. He was, you know, in the first row. And everybody was. So, and then there's me that comes out and talks to Bill,

and it's a pleasure to be here. And ladies and gentlemen, Grace Potter, and she walks out like Marilyn Monroe. And you can see Bill go, this is his head. did that. He was unbelievable. How do you get on Bill Clinton?

I don't know. I love. I love him, you know, but, you know. But he got into all kinds of stuff. You got to own who you are. I know, but there's a talent to, like he got into all kinds of trouble, but every time come out smelling like a rose.

Well, I don't know. I don't know if he's smelling like a rose all the time because they used to have him at the Democratic Convention. They didn't, the last. because there's too much. Well, Monica remembered. Monica remembered and forgot, then remembered, then forgot.

And I think she's back to remembering that she's a victim. And that hurt him. But even after that, I mean, if we needed somebody to go negotiate, they would either send Jimmy Carter or Bill Kemp. Well, Jimmy's dead, so I wouldn't have any of it. I know that, but I mean, like, back in the day.

All right, I got to go back to my real job. I could do this all night with you. This is so much fun. And you didn't even drink. Oh, no. Good for you. You know what? Honestly, and I know this mostly from cigarettes,

but I would say this to a degree of it, because that's the dumbest drug I ever did, smoking for 20 years. So glad I finally got rid of that. I don't smoke, and I'll go ahead and finish it. No. Well, I'm just going to say, you know, as you strip away the drugs, cigarettes,

heavy drinking, you know, you do realize they're not as needed as you think they are. Yeah. You know, you can actually have a good time as yourself. I'm learning. You got in the habit of using a crutch, but it's still you in there. You are really what's still interesting and can be interested.

And, you know, you don't really need a lot. You know, a little, but not a lot. Yeah, I've never had, I've never even, believe it or not, a little fun fact, I'm 58 years old and I've never had a cup of coffee. Wow. I've had a lot of them. And it was a negative association with something as a child. And I, it was, so I never. Yes, I can tell you why.

Because as a child, you don't need coffee. You're bouncing off the walls to be. Right. But I mean, you need a downer. And so the adults are drinking this gross brown. Yes, it was bitter. And everybody's smoking in the house. And I'm going, if I ever get out of here, I'm never coming back, ever.

ever. I had that talk with myself as a child. I remember it. And I've never been back. These people stink. They're breath stinks of coffee and cigarettes. Is there a worse breath stink than coffee and cigarettes? Yes. So. But, you know, my mother was in World War II. Wow. She earned her coffee and cigarette breath. Yeah. Sure did. Yeah. Sure did. All right, pal. Great. Man, thanks for whatever. Thank you. All right. All right. We'll do this. We'll do this. this Christmas. Any... I have Christmas plans now. You're in your island paradise in Christmas,

I'm guessing? I wasn't this year, but it's gotten busy down there during Christmas. It's in the Virgin Islands. I mean Virgin Islands. Yeah, in St. John. I've just go down there for a long time. Then it got really busy during Christmas. So it's like, okay,

I don't know. I've been out here before. But it's the U.S. Virgin Islands. So you're American territory. Yes. So, because... So yeah. You know? If you're bored?

I might visit you there. I think you'd love it. You know, I haven't really gone overseas. I mean, I'm not a great traveler. Yeah. So I had three, I toured in 2015. That's the last time I went to Europe. I'm not.

Wait, and you haven't been to Europe since 2015? No, I'm not up for that. I'm just not. See, I love Italy too much. Oh, really? I love Italy. Italy. And when I was drinking a lot, I really loved Italy because I loved, you know,

I love red wine, especially Italian red wine. Like anywhere in Italy? No, I mean, I love Florence. I love the Amalfi Coast. I love Tuscany. I love, and I just went to Sicily three years ago. Yeah, I bet it is awesome. It's awesome, because I love the godfather.

I'm not doing that. But I might come to the U.S. territory, Virgin Island. Not at Christmas. It's too crazy. Really? But, yeah, come during a hurricane season. Seriously, because it's beautiful. It's...

What, are there like the fall? You know if the storm's coming with the wetter channel and with all the... All right, if I'm ever in New York, it's a flight from New York, right? Three hours. Or I'll come there and we'll just roll me.

How's that? I'm in New York during hurricane season. Right. And the hurricane starts hitting New York. I am so... You can come down there. Thank you. I think you'd love it.

Club. Oh, my, that's awesome. Man, they're so easy. Yeah, it's great.