Club Random with Bill Maher - Larry Wilmore | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

Bill Maher and Larry Wilmore on people their age dying, best stripper names, meet Patina and Original Cindy, Tik Tok and cultural permission to be stupid, generational trauma of the past, protesters having no skin in the game, the glory of cigars, the first OJ jury, racism being written about by white people, the genius of Bernie Mac and Bill’s love of Bad Santa, health myths, how far we’ve come as a society, the super powers of Jerry Seinfeld and Jay Leno, and which band was the first to experience cancel culture.  Sponsor Club Random: https://public.liveread.io/media-kit/clubrandom Check out Bill's tour dates here: https://www.billmaher.com/schedule/ We have Merch! Get it here: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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was fighting the conception that blacks couldn't be as good as writers as whites. That's one of the reasons why I wanted to create TV shows. Right. Love, random. He could say the most offensive things and get away with it, you know. I believe you should be able to hit a child in the stomach or the throat. Love, random.

There he is. I heard a rumor you were going to be here. How you doing, man? Good to see you. How are you doing? Yeah, well, I'm in this trial right now. This guy named Trump, I'm in the jury right now. So I was able to see you. All right, exactly. Yeah, well, I'm in this trial right now, this guy named Trump, I'm in the jury right now, so I was able to get away.

You look hell. I'm doing good, man, how you doing? You know, 60s? Yeah. I'm not talking about the decade, I'm talking about us. You know, I would feel like, I think, you know, if you read the obituaries, people around our age are dying.

So like when somebody says, how you doing? You know, I mean, compared to, I mean, there's a lot of, when you, Bill Walton. Yeah, that's crazy. Just died yesterday, right? 71, I'm 68. Okay, that's crazy. Just died yesterday, right? I know. 71, I'm 68. You start seeing those ages now. Well, I mean, I feel fine, but you know.

He was 72. He was 72. 71, I wrote. Oh, 71. Oh, 71. Yeah, well, whatever it was. Something like that. Right, right.

Close. Right, it's close. Right. Let's just say one more presidential election away. Exactly. When it comes to your life. Right. I mean, let's just say one more presidential election away when it comes to your life. But then people live to Mel Brooks is 112 and still funny. That's why I always felt sad, I mean,

this is gonna sound weird, but I always felt sad for Prince Charles or King Charles, because his mother, first of all, lived forever, right? Right. And that's his only thing he's waiting on in his life. Right. I mean, her father died in his 50s or something. He had like lung cancer or something like that.

He's thinking, if I look at the family tree, I don't have much longer. And then he gets cancer. So you think he'd get a little bit of sympathy. But then Kate gets cancer. She's like, I can't believe it. I know. What's your genetics like?

Do your parents live pretty good? It's pretty good. My mom's father, he lived into his 90s. He's like that old school southern kind of black man from Arkansas. My father's side is more problematic. His dad died when he was 39. So he died of a brain hemorrhage though.

So my dad, it's kinda like that Mickey Mano thing but he didn't have the destructive thing where Mickey Mano's father died when he was young or something so Mickey. Hodgkin's disease. Yeah and one of the reasons. Mickey always thought he was gonna die young. Always thought he was gonna die.

And then he drank a lot and made himself. Yes exactly. He actually lived longer than he should have. He did. He probably would have lived to 100. He got like a liver transplant. He really fucked himself. Yes, exactly. He actually lived longer than he should have. He did. He probably would have lived to 100. He got like a liver transplant. He really fucked himself. He really did.

He brought that upon himself. You wonder, that's the mystery of life. Like, who could be, yes, he probably had a rough childhood in Oklahoma, but once he got out of Oklahoma, how could it be better in the 1950s and 60s than to be the blonde, good-looking farm kid from Oklahoma who comes to the big city, is the star, and I'm sure back then when Chicks didn't put out.

Oh, it was crazy. Oh, they did. Oh, not as much. In the 50s, no. But for somebody like Mickey Mantle? That's what I'm saying. I think they made exceptions. Oh, 1,000%.

I'm just saying in less percentages. But yes, probably any one of them could have been persuaded by the right person. Because that is the thing about women that I think is under-talked about. Like, they do have, they're generally, of course, much more circumspect about giving up sexuality than we are. We don't have no scruples.

Okay. They have much more, and it's just their nature. It's biology. You want to protect, you know, they're being invaded. You want to make sure the person invading you is a little, you know, of course. We don't give a shit where we invade, right? Because we withdraw.

But I feel like even back when it was much more dangerous to be a woman, they still, like there are certain guys which they can't help themselves. No. Guys had a good run. They had a really, like people talk about me too. I look at it like this, you motherf. Guys had a good run. They had a really, like people talk about Me Too. Yeah. I look at it like this, you motherfuckers had a good run,

or we motherfuckers, we had a really good run in terms of being able to do whatever the fuck they wanted. Don't let me in there. Or you, or you probably. No, no, no, it wasn't my lifestyle. Every guy is certain, after the Me Too era, which of course I think was a great development and long overdue, but every guy sort of is looked at as.

Thanks for the drink, man. What's that? Thanks for the drink. Oh yeah, do you have what you want? Oh yeah, this is perfect. But every guy is sort of looked on as like, well, you probably did something. And you know, I did things I wasn't proud of,

but they were CAD things, they weren't Me Too kind of things. Exactly. Okay, you know, I did things I wasn't proud of, but they were CAD things. They weren't me-too kind of things. You know, it wasn't... Exactly. OK, you know, I mean... Like in bars, here's the thing. People aren't going to like this, but when we were coming up in bars,

people felt up other people as a thing. No, I'm serious, Bill. This sounds horrible. But I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong. They were not wrong. People did that. In fact, people would brag about it.

And in fact, they used to have it in movies. Hey man, did you get any titty, did you feel that, or whatever. It was a thing for a guy to cop a feel. That was the term, right, cop a feel. I mean, being a woman then. I'm not saying that's the right thing. No, we're not at all.

But being a woman then was like being a stripper now. Like in the strip club. Right, exactly. I just think they can touch you. And in the strip club, you know, I personally think that that is what ruined strip clubs. And I think once they went from something you looked at but couldn't touch, it was a, you know,

stripping as an ancient art form that goes back 3,000 years. There's even a fancy word for it, ecticeus, is a stripper. Ecticeus? Yes, ecticeus. That sounds like one of those words from a sketch like the Marx Brothers and the legendary. You know what I mean? Well, when ecticeus, then I know it's gonna be good.

If I see us. Right, or I'm gonna say, I'm a Zandine. This must be my lucky day. I see us, yes, it's Greek, I think. It sounds Greek. Well, it's kind of come full circle now. Now, like sometimes you look at the movies of those burlesque clubs, you know, where they'd have the tassels on the breast

going around like that. And sometimes you see women in those audiences and that type of thing, because like you said, you know, where they'd have the tassels on the breast going around like that. And sometimes you'd see women in those audiences and that type of thing, because like you said, you know, it was a show. But now strip clubs, men and women go together again. Because it's more corporate now too, where it's all about the dollar bills. It has evolved, it's more like an after hours club.

Exactly. And it's kinda changed. The one in Miami, Eleven, kind of combined. I think they were at the forefront of that, kind of combining the strip club with the nightclub. Also, rappers break their records there. And then clubs like Eleven, I think 50 Cent, played there last New Year's Eve.

Atlanta has a lot of clubs now. He may have been late for the New Year's Eve show, which I thought was very funny. It's like, the one thing, you're hilarious. Right. Excuse me, 50, if you didn't, but I think I read that. Maybe it was somebody. It's the one time you don't wanna be late.

Oh, come on. What a miss. Where's everybody? I just thought that was. That's hilarious. It is. If it didn't happen, it should happen in a script. That's very funny.

Look, I'm writing your whole next show for you. I love that. Thank you. You're having your character names, your plot points. It writes a joke. So I'm so glad you came by. Yeah, we're gonna see, I'm gonna see you next week. We're doing the book event.

Congrats on your book number one. And I hit number one today. How awesome is that? Thank you. Do I have it here? Damn. Oh, I guess we have a commercial. I want it always by me. But that's on your book, number one. Hit number one today. How awesome is that? Thank you. Do I have it here? Damn, oh I guess we have a commercial. I want it always by me. But that's great, man.

Yeah, you know what? It's grueling selling a book. I really got a great respect for, I mean I just got back from New York and did eight shows in two days. And I'm signing, you sign a thousand books. And you're kind of giving the same type of thing all the time, variation of it.

Yeah, certainly if they're asking you directly about the book, that is true. Yeah, it's grueling, it's absolutely grueling. And I have really a new respect for the people who make their living doing this. Because this is not really, this isn't something I didn't have to do or need the money to do. Lots of people write books, that's their living.

So they gotta sell it. Me, it was just, you know. And many of them aren't celebrities too. They're pounding the paper out there selling those books. Michael Moore told me for one of his books, he did a 60 city tour. 60 city. Yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot. I went to New York for two days. I was wrung out. Yeah, I did a book tour, I wrote one in 2009, I think it was, and we were at the Book Festival in Miami and I was there with John Hodgman and there was a guy I was supposed to interview. And we were just riffing backstage,

and we were like, we don't really need you. And we just interviewed each other on stage. It was so hilarious. We didn't even talk about our books, you know. But thank you for doing this for me. Of course. I really appreciate it. It's my pleasure.

They sent me a list of like 20 people and I circled about three of them, but you were one of them. I appreciate that. Can I embarrass you for a quick second? Please do. I will because I have to give people their props. You know, when my show went away, you emailed me.

I don't forget stuff like this. You didn't have to do it. You did it directly. You didn't do it through people. You said, hey man, you know. Yeah, it was good. You did good, you know, if you ever want to come to my show. I mean, you were just nice.

And I don't forget shit like that. Thank you. Well, no, I meant it. I don't do it unless I mean it. I am not the slap on the back for nothing guy. So when you do get a compliment for something, it means something. I mean, I certainly don't have a reputation

as being cuddly even though everybody who actually knows me would say I pretty much am. But you know, I thought you did a better show than, I mean, God, how many shows have been in that time slot? I know, there's been a lot. Then 90% of them. I appreciate that.

I still hear. It's partly because a lot of them, oh, the Orphans have really shitty. Well, we tackle race head on. And we tackle race head on, like when nobody was doing that. And I still hear from people, at least once or twice a week, say I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it,

and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of people who were doing it, and I mean, there was a lot of silent majority, in my view.

They are not as liberal as the white. I agree. Okay. And I feel like I certainly personally know people, black men who don't, they're not with AOC. It's every black family, Bill, that's what it's called. This fight going on, you mean? It's a family, it's every black family, Bill. That's what it's called. This fight going on, you mean? It's 1,000% true.

Because especially multi-generational families. Many, especially older blacks, and I'm old enough to know, we never said liberal or conservative. We've never said those things. Blacks were mainly in the Democratic Party when I was a kid, but they used to be in the Republican Party. Of course.

For different reasons, of course. But it was really about the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act in the 60s that put most of the Democrat, most of the blacks in the Democratic Party. But being an activist for whatever they stand for is different than having an allegiance to a party for a reason.

In this book, what this comedian said will shock you, which just went to number one. There is one of the editorials I worked in there, we worked them all, but it's the basic idea was a political party is like your lawyer. They both use the word representative. You have a representative in court and you have a representative in Congress. And it kind of means the word representative. You have a representative in court and you have a representative in Congress.

And it kind of means the same thing. And that's what people make a decision on. They're not sentimental about it. When the Republican Party was the party of emancipation, you're my lawyer. Right, exactly. For good reason. And when it switched, because it was the Democrats

who undid Reconstruction, and you know, Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. He was a motherfucker. Right, Lincoln was the Republican. Then it switched, and Kennedy sent troops into the South, and Hubert Humphrey introduced the first Civil Rights Act. It was the Dixie Democrats who walked out of the convention in 1948 just because Hubert Humphrey suggested a plank,

a civil rights plank. Right. And he said famously, segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. That was George Wallace in 1963. And when Kennedy sent troops into the South so they could go to school and so forth, okay, now you're my lawyer.

Now you represent me. I have a healthy outlook on this. I just feel all white people is problematic. It doesn't matter what party you're in. There's just gonna be a... And I know that's a joke, and you can make every joke in the world like that. I just want to point out that we do live in an era now what party you're in, you know, there's just gonna be. And I know that's a joke, and you can make every joke in the world like that.

I just wanna point out that we do live in an era now where lots of stuff can't happen in reverse. Yes. Like I can't make that joke about you. Right, well that's the top dog. And I don't want to. Right. But I couldn't say what you said in reverse with Black.

Sure, absolutely. And there's lots of examples I could give of that. And that's okay. I ain't mad at that. You could, you just can't say it in public. I believe everything is in public now. What in the fucking world is not in public? That's true.

But here's the thing, that's just the top dog, underdog dynamic is what I call it. You know, like top dog, underdog doesn't make fun of top dog, but top dog can't make fun of underdog. Yeah, that's true, I tell you, I ain't mad at it. I mean, it goes beyond that. I mean, sometimes it's, I mean, you can find a lot of TikToks of young black women, usually women,

but I'm saying, I just can't deal with white people. To hell. And again. Some of that, you know what that is though Bill? It's just, can you imagine if a white person said that in reverse though? And it's not a good thing. They just don't put it, they don't put it online, but some of them do say that.

But the fact that you make a tech talk out of it says a lot. You have permission, you have a tech talk at it, but says a lot. You have permission. You have cultural permission to do it. Cultural permission, what a beautiful phrase. But that is not, to be serious, is not a healthy attitude. And an unnecessary attitude. I want to know the specifics of how

Whitey fucked up your day. That don't work. She feels the weight of the diaspora is there in that state. You're just going to Starbucks for fuck's sake. I think, you know, it's just not healthy. Yeah, I think there's a lot of oppression by proxy with a lot of young people, you know. And the- Another beautiful phrase.

And the by proxy is the generations who actually went through a lot of the heavy lifting of oppression and segregation. And so they're, and look, you can have generational trauma and those types of things. It expressed itself in different ways, especially like the health of individuals and stuff like that, because certain traits are passed down

and as well as habits, because sometimes culturally you can stop, you can be the intervention on bad legacies and that types of things. Of course, education and that type of thing. But I think a lot, and I know this is old man yelling at the clouds type of thing, you know, for me, but a lot of it, I believe, is that, is suffering by extinction.

Like a lot of, sometimes protests, like when I see protests by proxy, I feel that way, as opposed to protests when you have skin in the game. Right, right. Where it's like, you don't have skin in the game, so you can say whatever the fuck you want. If you have skin in the game, you know, you're gonna act a little differently

when it comes to this. Things will be in perspective, Bill, a little bit more. That's why it was dumb for them to compare the Vietnam protests in the 60s. a little differently when it comes to this. Things will be in perspective, Bill, a little bit more. That's why it was dumb for them to compare the Vietnam protests in the 60s. Those kids did have skin in the game. That's correct. They did not want to get drafted and go to Vietnam.

That was a lot different. That's exactly right. You know what? Part of me too, I feel the Civil Rights Movement, I'm upset that the Civil Rights Movement and the extension of it became a political football. That really hurts me, because to me, it was never a political movement, nor should it have ever been.

It was more like a human movement. How could it not become political, though? I know, but to me, I- Because it involved, it needed to involve government. And government- But both sides came together to pass those bills, you know? If you look at what Lyndon Johnson did, he brought the right and the left together to pass those bills. If you look at what Lyndon Johnson did, he brought the right and the left together

to pass those landmark bills. He didn't do it one side. OK, but many people, I'm sure, voted against them. Absolutely. OK, so. But enough voted forward, which is extraordinary. But that still requires politics to actually, you know, Lyndon Johnson, the great picture of him

where he's leaning over to that guy, you know, that picture I'm talking about. And it's like, that one picture shows, that's how government is done, sad though, is to say. You know, he was, you vote for my bill, my friend, or let me tell you, there may be trouble in your district. Well, whatever, it's like, I'm a generic southerner, but you know. Well here's what I mean, let me be a little more clear. I shouldn't say politics, like,

it's not a movement of the left. No. That's what I mean. No. And it's not a movement of the right. To me, it's a humanist movement. Of course. That's what I mean, but I think it was hijacked

by the left, and I think a lot of the reasons why was because I think the Vietnam movement, it kind of rode its coattails of the Civil Rights, that's how I'm saying. I mean, everything- It kind of got blended together, which that was certainly a movement of the left. I feel like all of the flow of our history,

of any history, is just backlash to backlash. Like something causes something. So like, it was the original sin of slavery, and then we had fought the war, and so now they hate the North, and now the Republicans and the Democrats, you know? And then the Democrats came to be the champions before when the Republicans were more the champions of the African-American.

And it just causes... I mean, the Republicans, after they lost that constituency, they went the other way. Reagan opened his campaign in 1980 in Philadelphia, Mississippi. And that was a, I mean, Philadelphia was a... It wasn't lost on people. It was not lost on people.

It was a place where there was a racial atrocity and he was winking at it. And he was saying, you know, not overtly, but racists, the people who are still racist, because certainly in 1980 we were still in, I would say, the racist era. I guess we will always be to a degree. But in a much more. And he was saying to them, you're welcome in this party because it's obvious by now, this is 16 years after JFK, this is where the lines are drawn now in America. I remember reading a quote from a guy,

and I cannot say the quote, so maybe I'll just point to you. I wouldn't. Okay, so this is some guy, it was a, some poor guy in, white guy in Louisiana. And this was his summation of politics. The Republicans are for the rich, the Democrats are for the niggers, who's for me? Yeah, right.

That was, I thought it was like a haiku of poor, white... Well, Bill, here's the other thing. That was not, here's the thing a lot of people don't realize. That wasn't a controversial language for people back in the day. No, I read it, I believe I read it in the newspaper. I remember Johnny Carson actually said that when Richard Pryor was on, you know,

cause he was saying, you don't use the word nigger anymore. Like he was saying that. And Richard Pryor said, nigger, why are you using it? Well, they did a whole sketch on SNL in 1975. I mean, it was just, I just think people were more mature then. And they could, they had the context of, okay, we're using this word, but we're not using it in, to be derogatory,

and very often, in fact, we're using it to, in the cause of satirizing racism. John Lennon had a song. I remember. I'm a big Beatles fan, by the way, too. It's something there. Good. You must be, if you know that shitty song

and shitty record. It's not a good title either. It's not a good record. It's called Sometime in New York City. Absolutely. And John had moved to New York. He was drunk on Yoko. Yeah.

Yeah. He was. During that time, and remember, that's why he needed that long fucking weekend with me, Leo Roberts, who was in. Leo Roberts. Hey, I could bust you needed that long fucking weekend with Mae Lee or whoever she was. Mae Lee? I could bust you for racism on that one. Sorry, I don't know.

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Yeah, because they gave you a poster. Exactly. And then you can like, look at that. Yeah, I love that. This is so cool. You can see the creases how it was in the halo. Yeah, that's awesome. I love that. Anyway, so when John, yeah, they moved to New York

after the Beatles broke up, that's the Dakota, the place where he was unvoicially shot. Under investigation by Nixon at the time. Yes, and they were gonna, they were trying to throw him out, Nixon was trying to throw him out of the country. He got past that and loved New York. That he could walk around and they lived in the Dakota, 72nd and Central Park West.

And the guy who imagines no possessions, Elvis Costello busted him on a song called The Other Side of Summer. Was there a millionaire who said imagine no possessions? And yeah, they had one floor just with shit in it. They bought a whole floor of the Dakota. There's a lot of excess, yeah. Yeah, well, it doesn't mean I don't love them.

Right, a lot of contradictions with Lenin. Starters are just not like us. When they do dumb things, like so. And rock stars get away with the most. Well, of course. They get away. Nobody gets away with it. I think they were a very sincere couple.

But it just make me laugh that like, OK, I'm at the end of my rope to my marriage to this Asian woman. I'm going to leave to this Asian woman. I'm gonna leave with a... I'm an Asian woman who's our secretary. I mean, it's like, talk about bringing your troubles with you. I know, Yoko version two. I mean, just, you know, obviously you need something different, man. Yeah.

You know what was interesting going to The Beatles? People say that the real love affair, the real love story was John and Paul. I say that! Yeah, it was John and Paul. I say that often with whoever will listen, and I have this running argument going with someone, I won't say nobody, he's a very close friend,

and I say, have you seen, it's an eight hour movie. The whole movie, we're talking about the Get Back movie. That's the Let It Be movie that they were making in 1969. That's right, which was supposed to be just a filler for a TV show actually. No, they wanted to make a movie. They had grand ideas about a big finale that they were gonna film at the pyramid. But the documentary part was the filler for the concert. It was gonna be a live concert, and then they were gonna film at the pyramid. But the documentary part was the filler for the concert. It was gonna be a live concert,

and then they were just gonna show they were working on the show. I know, but they talked about it, being on an amphitheater in Greece, and then they wanted to go into the roof. That's what I love about Star. Oh, so yeah. Like, Ringo's like, I'm not going to some stupid amphitheater.

And they were gonna do it on a boat, and you know, all this shit, and then they just go up on the roof. You gotta love a garage band. They're just the greatest garage band in the world. But like, throughout the whole movie, he never even looks at Yoko. It's just like a pot and plant.

And he and Paul are making eye contact the whole time, making each other laugh. They, it is a love affair. You can see it on camera. And I just don't understand why I have to even have this argument with people. No, they hated each other. Look, it's like you can lie with your mouth

and lie in writing, but you cannot lie in pictures of your face. and lie in writing, but you cannot lie in pictures of your face. This is what the tabloids do best. They get pictures of people and the pictures never lie. If you're having a good time in the relationship, they're looking at each other, they're making eye contact, they're smiling, they're laughing, and then there's those.

Well, even the, I think what really, when the Beatles hit, you know, they were kind of androgynous, I guess you could say, using words now. People weren't really using that then. But it was like, this is the term that I use with my daughter. I said, it was really just good old fashioned man-on-man love.

That's what it was. Where the love between men, it's a bond that, and I don't mean in a homosexual way, I mean, but men have a certain type of love of each other that where they really want to be around each other because they share the same interests, which in that case is music making. Wait a second, not in a homosexual way?

Larry, I was gonna pour you another drink. Oh, Jesus. Well, it doesn't have to be, is what I'm saying. No, I feel like an asshole. I I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay.

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I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. I'm not gonna be gay. trip, but you're right. I put it in a 50-50. I don't think it's impossible because... It could happen. It's just, it's weird to me because I would never do that. Like, I would never like, oh, you know what?

I just think I'll see what it feels like to be in a man's ass all day. That like, not only does it not cross my mind, if it does it, it upsets me. I don't wanna do that. That doesn't mean I don't love gay people, but I'm not one of them. And so I don't get the, eh, I'll give it a try.

It's just not something I feel that way about. I feel strongly about it. If John was bisexual or didn't know he was bisexual, then maybe being with Brian kind of awakened that side of him. So it wasn't a straight guy doing that, but it was somebody who maybe had the inclination to do it. Let's see, let's see if we can introduce Yoko into this scenario where he's really secretly gay

because she was a mother. Not secretly gay, bisexual. OK, right, bisexual. It was different. Very different. So I could fit that in because she was a, I think Albert Goldman was one of them, he pointed out he went from a stern mother figure with his Aunt Mimi to another stern mother figure,

some would say, in Yoko. And arguably, Cynthia was probably better suited for him as a mate. And called her mother. Yeah, yeah. Whenever a guy calls called her mother. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever a guy calls his wife mother... Yeah. It's over. I'm so out.

Yeah. So, this is an edible type of thing. You want to have sex with your mom. I mean, it's just, ugh. Yeah. I mean, she calling you daddy, nothing wrong with that. And he was pretty much abandoned by... He felt he was abandoned by his mother and his father.

Because that was his aunt who raised him. Well, his mother, yes, he, right. Even before she died, she kind of like, was like, mm, I'm not trying to raise a son right now. I mean, his father just plain up got a cab. Oh, he was a dick. Yeah, I mean, okay, so that happens a lot. I mean, we don't condone it, but that's...

Especially his, that's another thing. People don't realize how fucked up the world was, like, with those types of things. We're anymore fucked up. Like, men were just fucking abandoned families back then. Oh, totally. It was crazy. I mean, not that that still doesn't go on. Right, but I mean, it was ruthless in those days.

That's why you have all those orphan stories and that type of thing. Let me ask you this. What do you think of, like, the Larry Elder school? There is a school. With facts. Larry Elder is, there is a school, with facts, Larry Elder is not an unserious person. No, no, I know Larry. Okay, right. And he's not the only one, and they say,

they give stats about black below the poverty line. Most of the progress was made between 1940 and 1960. This is their argument against the social justice stuff, even of the Lyndon Johnson era. And one of the stats is also that, like, kids, black kids, being born in a home with two parents, was much higher, like 67% in 1960, and by 1995 it was, you know, like 30, 40 points lower. Right.

What do you think of that thesis? Proving... I mean, that's what conservative black... Well, I think those types of things, because just so you know, I went down like a conservative rabbit hole in the 90s, like the whole 90s I spent going down this and reading up on all these people and listening to... Thomas Sowell.

All of it, all of it, right? Thomas Sowell, all of these people. Even Larry Elder when he first came on, and Dennis Prager, all these people. And, you know, because my parents blessed me with the ability to think for myself, which is why I love you too. Yeah, and you're right back at you, right?

Right, so. Keeping it hundred. Exactly, right? So I take the things that I feel are to be true in my experience, and I don't care who says it, I don't care who says something if it's true. Exactly. And I take things that I think,

hmm, I think you have an agenda there that you're using this evidence to prove an agenda. And I make a distinction between those two. That's exactly how I try to do it. I make a distinction. Can I have a cigar, is that it? I brought a cigar. No, this is not a cigar.

Do you mind if I smoke? Oh no. Okay, good. You can smoke anything you want here. Oh, I appreciate it. But I brought it just in case. Why do you want it though? Why do you get out of that?

I don't get it. It's a relaxation thing. Why? What's relaxing about it? It just is, I don't have a choice. Really? I know,? I don't get it. It's a relaxation thing. Why? What's relaxing about it? It just is. I don't know how to explain it. Really? I know, so many men are into it.

Yeah, I've been smoking cigars for at least 25 years. But you don't inhale it, of course. No, you don't inhale it, so that's what makes it. What? You still get a buzz from cigars, yeah. You do? Yeah, you do. You get a buzz from a cigar?

Absolutely, especially a real strong one. Give me one. No, I'm serious, you do. People don a buzz from a cigar? Absolutely, especially a real strong cigar. Give me one. No, I'm serious, you do. People don't realize that. I don't realize that. This is a Jerry Lewis lighter, by the way. You'll see what I mean. Oh.

Ah! You know what I mean? Right. Whoa, ladies! Ladies! But I'll tell you about this in a little bit. There's a guy who got away with murder. Oh, yeah.

When he was like, oh. Oh, Bill. It was this in a minute. There's a guy who got away with murder. Oh yeah. When he was like, oh. Oh, Bill. It was crazy in those days. I mean, he really assaulted women. But, I mean, he really did. But, okay, a lot of different things can be true at the same time. Okay. So true.

So let me just hit spears about this real quick. So a lot of those programs did break down the black family in this way. In order to qualify for welfare, a man couldn't be in the house, okay? That was insidious to me. The government said, in fact, the movie Claudine explores that,

James Earl Jones and Diane Carroll. And so a lot of black families were broken up because if you're a poor and destitute and you needed the money, man couldn't be in the house. So why are you going to be married? And that happened from the 60s on. So that explains a lot of the breaking up. It happened from the 60s on.

Correct. And we're talking about poor families and who isn't. OK, so let's continue down this. Because this is always what I'm trying to do is, I don't trust either side. I feel like they, not that they don't lie, they just don't give you the full story.

Exactly, they have an agenda. So like now, this is great, I'm trying to. I have a word for it by the way. I call it primo simp juries. You're like a, that's simp juries. That's Latin for first Simpson jury. I don't know. Okay.

Yeah, where they clearly had an agenda. And the jury's like, this black man is not going to jail. Not on our watch, he is not going to jail. You know? But that's what I felt, at least. So... And I always defended black America on that one. Oh yeah, I'm not mad at the BPL.

I was like, no one's fooled that it wasn't a murder. But the fact that white America couldn't stand, they got one? Exactly, exactly. But the fact that white America couldn't stand, they got one, was so much more offensive than the murder itself. Exactly, that's exactly what it was. So anyhow, so this thing is, that's partly to blame what happened in a lot of poor black communities

where families were broken up like that, especially young people, why would they get married if they're not gonna have government assistance? So many people didn't even get married, right? Right. So that did a lot of- But who passed that law?

That was the Great Society. Okay, so that's their point. Was that the Great Society? But there's another point here. Okay. But there's also a growing black middle class and black upper class that's happened where families are together.

And education has been the key for that. Education has been a tool that- Always the key. And it's always the key. The diplomacy. People don't talk about how much bigger the black middle class is now than it was back then. Most black people live in the suburbs.

Correct. So that's the other part of it. So why don't we look at the successes of it too? What'd you think of Biden's speech at Morehead? Me too. I loved Andrew Sullivan's column, as I always do. I love Andrew Sullivan. Yes.

And I thought he had it right. First of all, he quoted Obama speaking at the same college, like 10 years earlier. And it was night and day. Obama's was all about, you know, so many doors have been broken down, you have so many good reasons to hope, and no more excuses, and went over way better. Of course, obviously it's a different standard

he's working from as a black man speaking at that college, but Biden's was just so, like I thought, 2000 late. It's condescending. Condescending, yes. One of the reasons why, Al Gore really turned me off in 2000. When he was running against Bill Bradley in the primaries, and you know, I'm a basketball fan, so don't talk against Bill Bradley.

He's one of the classic Knicks. Oh, me too. One of the classic Knicks. One of the classic Knicks. I've been a Knick fan since he was. Exactly. So even though I was a Laker fan, the Knicks have always been my second team, right? So I'm not mad at Bill Bradley at all.

Love Bill Bradley. But Al Gore said something like, if you vote for Bill Bradley, you're gonna go back to the time when black people were like one of those type of statements. Really? Bill Bradley's a Democrat. I know, but he was trying to make a point

because I don't know if Bill Bradley has said something or whatever, but he said something like that. Bill Bradley's a big liberal. Trust me, he said something like that in that vein. And I'm like, who, Elgar, you have a lot of fucking nerve. First of all, he's the one from Tennessee. That's not half as obnoxious as when Biden told Charlemagne,

Oh yeah, if he ain't black, you know. That is such a bad attitude. So my take on this too, Bill, is that I tell people, I was born in 1961, right? And I was too young to know all the bad shit that was going on in the world. But here's what I wasn't too young to get, that we were trying to go to the moon.

And so I call my generation moonshot generation, like anything was possible. You were eight. Yeah, anything was possible. We went to the fucking moon. And so Obama was born the same year as me. He became president. And when I hosted the White House Correspondence,

and I did Obama's last one. I remember. And I said the line that apparently got me in trouble. Whatever, fuck you motherfuckers. I said, you know, when we were kids, a black man couldn't even be the quarterback of a football team. And you're the leader of the free world.

And I said, yo Barry, you did it, my nigga, you did it. Oh, I remember. And I cried when I wrote the line, Bill, because of what it meant. And to me, I live in the world of aspiration, not in the world of desperation. because I know those things exist. I've talked about them, I make jokes about it, but I always keep it in perspective of you have to,

if you wanna build something, you don't wanna just put band-aids on things in your life. You wanna also build things in your life too. And you build through being inspired. It's such a healthier attitude, even if you're not political, just to understand that it's a healthier attitude for any individual.

And that we, as much as, you know, have this despicable past and somewhat despicable present, but there's despicable everywhere, you still eminently live now in a society where that is possible, where anything is possible. And I like when people point out, like I was doing something in Salt Lake City, it was a special called Larry Wilmore's Race,

Religion, and Sex in Utah. It was the name of it, I did it at Showtime. Where was it called? Larry Wilmore's Race, Religion, and Sex in Utah was the complete title. It was a special I did in Showtime. This is when Obama was running 2012. And people were like, and I wanted to have Mormons on the show, I just wanted to get their experience

of things, because Mitt Romney was running then. And I learned a lot about Mormons and how much they actually work and do things in poor black communities and that kind of stuff too, it's really interesting. Mormons are interesting people. But people were like, but people were trying to tell me, yeah, for a lot of different reasons. You know, Larry, Mormons, you know, up until 1978,

you know, they wouldn't allow black people in the church. I'm like, give me one institution in America that didn't have a racist expiration date. You know? Theirs was just in the 70s, you know? Give me the Baptist Church. What was their racist expiration date? The Democratic Party.

Give me their racist expiration date. The Democratic Party. Give me their racist expiration date. I mean, that's funny. They go after this premier prime minister of Italy named Giorgia Maloney. And look, she's, I don't think she's a cook at all. She's a conservative. She got elected, OK? She's not a nut.

They constantly, but because they have, because nothing is nuanced anymore. In the paper they always talk about, the second thing out of their mouth is always, well, she has fascist party roots. Yes, because like her grandfather, something, something, Mussolini, but she's renounced him.

And I always wanna say, the Democratic Party has Ku Klux Klan roots. Robert Byrd was your speaker not that long ago, and he was in the Klan. Completely. And again, the Dixie Kratz, Strom Thurmond. He was successful in the Klan.

He was the Grand Wizard. Who? Like, Robert Byrd. He was the Grand Wizard? I think he was the Grand Wizard. Like, not only in the Klan,, like he did well in the Klan. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Bill, you're leaving out the most important part. He was a success. Yeah, but you know those top brass. They don't know anything about the field. He was a bureaucrat in the Klan. Exactly.

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the Toyota Oakdale Theater in Wallingford, Connecticut. You mentioned Utah. It just made me think, here's a woke thing that pissed me off. Okay, so I'm reading and I don't wanna, I wanna be, I love the New York Times today. I've been reading it since I don't wanna, I wanna be, I love the New York Times today. I've been reading it since I was a child,

literally a child. They've got a lot more woke, and so, you know, I do take my shots at them, but I hope they know. I've been reading it for about 45 years. Yeah, I hope they know, you know. I certainly don't stop reading them, okay? But some things make my eyes roll, and so I'm sorry, I have to mention it.

I don't have to mention this and it's trivial, but it's just an example of the kind of person that is in the newsroom now. I'm sorry, but they're probably of a certain generation that thinks I'm a square, but I'm not the square actually. So I'm reading this, it's reading about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Jobert, Rudy Gobert, you know, the, you know, do you know sport, you know the sport?

You know. The basketball player? Yeah. Yeah, from Minnesota. Yeah, now, okay, but he was on the jazz. Right, yes, that's right. So he gets traded to the Wolves, they're now in the semi-finals.

Right, Western Conference. Yeah, so, and it was like, the headline was like, so that when he got traded, there'd been a story about him, like, Rudy Gobert on playing defense and whatever, and racism in Utah. And I thought, oh, I can't wait to get to this part, because it sounds like this. And then the question comes, what about racism in Utah?

And Rudy O'Bear's answer was, yeah, everybody was great to us all the time. My wife, my family, they were just great. And you can almost feel the reporters' disappointment. Exactly. Oh, there was no racism, I mean, that's great. There was no racism in Utah. Are you sure?

You wanna take your time on this? And that's the thing about the younger generations that you were getting at before, they feel cheated by progress. Yeah. You know? That's a good way to put cheated by progress. Yeah. You know? That's a good way to put it, yeah. Right.

Like there's some things being missed out on, and you really don't want that. No. You think you do, but you really don't. And granted, the other thing is, because of social media, when there are incidents, they get blown up like that's the norm, but it's not. You're not gonna go in the South

and there aren't separate bathrooms, you know? Like what people are blowing up on social media was the norm everywhere at a certain point. That's the biggest change, it's not. Now there are incidents here and there, but it feels like it's everywhere because of it's being shared. I feel like racism is written about almost exclusively

by people who live in places where they never actually see any. Sometimes, yeah. This town, nothing could be less cool than to be racist. In 2024. This is not most of your life. But that's where we are now. Great, I'm applauding it.

But like in the places where people write, New York, L.A., Washington, they don't actually see it. They're writing about, I can't imagine racism. They think that the deplorables are doing in the part of the country they never actually see. And sometimes, and there is some of that. There is some of that, Still there is a residual. But it's not, it's probably older and fading

and not controlling. It's better. Like part of my career was fighting the conception that blacks couldn't be as good as writers as whites. You know? So like a white writer could be on a black show, but a black writer could never be on a white show. Right.

So that's one of the reasons why I wanted to create TV shows, Dave, so I could open up those opportunities and prove. And you did. Yeah, when I created The Bernie Mac Show, it was a conversation of a friend of mine had. He said, Larry, how come there's no black Seinfeld? And I said, because you haven't written it yet.

And then I went, oh, shit, I haven't written it yet. But what she meant was a black show that's considered smart and not just funny. Because white shows were considered, the good white shows, there's a lot of dracon stuff. But a show like Seinfeld was not just funny, it was considered smart. And black shows never had that considered smart element.

Bernie Mac was. But I broke through with that to do that, it was considered smart. I have to say, Bernie Mac was. I broke through with that. To do that, it was considered smart. I have to say, Bernie Mac was just a genius performer. He really was. He kind of like the Black Jack Benny to me. Because he was just like so under, like the least little. And it worked so well.

That's great analogy. Yeah, he was just a minimalist. Absolutely. Like, he could say it, yeah, with just a few words, and a look, and just. And he had one of those abilities where he could say the most offensive things and get away with it, you know? Like he said, I believe you should be able to hit a child in the stomach or the throat. Or the throat.

I mean, who says you should be able to hit a kid in the throat? But I don't imagine you gave him many long speeches. No, no, no, no, we had a great- Because he just did everything so compact. No, he was great. And I always said, Bernie, this is just the script. If you wanna change this, then was great. And I always said, Bernie, this is just the script. If you want to change this, then do it.

But we talked very much about the content of it, you know? And I just wanted to make sure we knew. If we both knew what the scene was about, you can change the words, because we know the scene's about. Right. So that's how we approached it. But he was so good.

He would do the lines, too, but he had such a great sense of what the scene was and that sort of thing. So our conversations were very short. Remember him in Bad Santa? Oh, yeah. It's hilarious. Oh, my God. Yeah.

Really, that is a genius comedy portrayal. I mean... Yeah, Bernie's memes, he has memes for a reason, because his face was so expressive. You know, just the way he would look at something. What is it that took him so young? Yeah, Bernie's memes, he has memes for a reason because his face was so expressive. You know, just the way he would look at something. What is it that took him so young? Sacredotia, it was an autoimmune disease.

He actually died, I think, of pneumonia, but it was the autoimmune disease. I think he got pneumonia twice in the hospital. Why did he have an autoimmune disease? It's something, this particular one, many black people get it for some reason, kinda like lupus and that sort of thing, it's one of those things.

It's not succillinemia, not related to that. But it just happens to be one of those things like certain cultures are just predisposed just from it being passed down over the years to get certain things, you know, go figure. Yeah, well, or it could also be the food. I don't know, I mean, who knows? Who knows?

Yeah, who knows? Well, that's always what I say about all medical issues. Who knows? Right. Not that they don't know more than they used to. They just don't know much. And so let a thousand flowers bloom. Don't cut me off from any medical theory.

I know you think some of it is crackpot, but so many times we've learned that what you were doing was crackpot, and what someone thought was crackpot turned out to be not the crackpot. So let's just hear everything. Don't stop me from hearing everything. I agree with you. I've heard you talk about this subject a lot,

and I agree with you in the big picture because it's funny, Bill, medicine and astronomy are the two most changing subjects that we've had forever. The Earth is flat. Yeah. You know? Flat.

You know? The sun revolves around the Earth. You know? You're excommunicated from the church. You know? A leech should be put on you, you say, to get the blood out of your system. I know. It's like medicine and put on you, Youssef, to get the blood out of your system.

It's like medicine and astronomy, it keeps proving itself wrong. You don't even have to go back that far. 15 years ago, they were telling us to eat trans fats, which now are illegal. So the thing, then that was like, I can't believe it's not butter, oleo, it was this fake, but now they found out.

Because fat was the enemy, but meanwhile they were pumping us with sugar. Well, this was a certain type of fat. Right. That they, oh again, this is this century. Right, exactly. We're saying, get this shit in you. And then went, oh whoops, it's so bad

that we pulled it off the shelves. The U-turns in the 20th century alone. Don't tell me. I mean, Bill, the icon of healthy food at one point was Tony the fucking Tiger. Right. It's great. I mean, he was speaking to kids about pumping all

that sugar in your body first thing in the morning. Did you see Seinfeld's Pop-Tart movie? Oh, yeah, on Frosted River. It's a fucking scream. Yeah, there's a lot of funny stuff. It's so funny. I mean, I heard these things like, oh, what is this movie?

People were like, what the fuck is this? And then it was so, I mean, it was so adeptly paced. You know, it just went from one. It's kind of old fashioned in a fun way. Very 60s, I mean, about the 60s, but also invoked a kind of a filmmaking style. Little bit of Preston Sturges in some ways. Yes, yeah. little bit of Preston Sturges in some ways. Yes, yeah.

A little bit of that. Which they had totally revived in the 60s. And Elizabeth of Sex, yes, and Elizabeth of Sex. Yes. Preston Sturges had that kind of snappy style where you could barely rest and something funny was coming along, you know. But it was also high brow, it was sophisticated.

But he wasn't afraid to knock you in the knees. Like what's a great Preston Sturges movie? I'll tell you right now, my favorite, The Lady Eve. The Lady Eve. Watch The Lady Eve, because Barbara Stanwyck is irresistible in it. Really? Henry Fonda is so great, because Henry Fonda is so awesome.

Henry Fonda and Barbara Stanwyck. It is an amazing cast, and there's characters in it that are funny. But their love affair is so great, you know, and it's classic Preston Sturges. It's just this, this, this, that. I'm a little fuzzy. I know Barbara Stanwyck. I used to use her name with a punchline.

Yeah. Was she a hottie of her day? Working a hottie, oh my God. Really? Oh my God, Bill. Watch the lady, Eve. You're saying I'll get a century later boner for me to stand with?

You have had those century boners, right? I used to do a bit, I love that bit, about how I can't masturbate. And it came from the truth, about something that I couldn't actually be doing. Like if I saw a movie that took place in the Middle Ages, I couldn't masturbate about the Serbing Wedge because I'm not in the Middle Ages.

Even if it was like a James Bond movie, I can kind of transfer that to like, oh, okay, I'm not James Bond, but I'm playing the casino. So many rules to your masturbation. Well, there had to be a thread back to reality. To this day, like, there has to be a thread back to, that could actually happen. It might be a little unlikely, but the Middle Ages, that could actually happen. It might be a little unlikely,

but the Middle Ages, that's impossible. I agree. You know, I always say this, this is kind of on the same subject, like when people talk about time travel, they could go back to the Middle Ages or these things. I always feel like people never factor in the smell. They never do.

Horrible. Well. They never do. Like the world smelled horrible in the past, Bill. Horrible. Choose any period. It smelled horrible. Seth MacFarlane made a really great movie about that concept called A Million Ways to Die in the West.

I remember that. I never said it. Oh, it's really good. And it's about that idea that, it's easy to romanticize the past, but if you really lived in the West where a splinter could kill you, because there was a million ways to die.

So many things that could kill you. That's funny. These kids, yeah, it's a great premise. These kids today, I literally said these kids today, but it's so true, they have no perspective And I think that's a great premise. These kids today, I literally said these kids today, but it's so true, they have no perspective about the time that they live in and how fortunate they actually are

in almost every way. If you measure it, now if you're just feeling angst, okay, but if you actually looked shit up, read Steven Pinker on this. He's the one who I feel like covers this the best. And we can measure this shit. We know shit, for example. It was only 20 years ago where like a billion people

shit in the street in the world. And we've really cut that down. I know it's insane. The automobile was a green alternative to horses. It was a green alternative because of all the shit that was in the streets and the disease, and the disease and the flies, and the automobile was a green alternative.

You're right. Horse shit must have been a terrible thing. That's why shoeshine boys are so privately pregnant. Let me get that shit off your shoes, sir. Right, wow. Such a big deal. Yeah, shoeshine. Spats, remember those spats and all that stuff?

Of course. That was some shit. You won't get that stuff on your shoes. Wow. Wow, that's heavy. It's a stinky. All I'm saying is the world was stinky, and people should know this.

People should know how stinky the world was. I tell you, I don't think I've changed since I was 18 with talking to a funny guy. I love her. It's like, it just never gets old. You know, it's funny, I've been watching, I agree with you, and thanks again for having me, man. It's so awesome for me, you know.

Are you leaving? No, no, no, you were talking about, no, I'll stay as long as I can. Okay. But you were talking about... No, I'll stay as long as I can. But you were talking about Seinfeld. And, um, I don't like all the re-evaluation of Jerry, you know? Because Jerry's a fucking... Genius.

Fucking genius. A lot of comedians owe their careers to somebody like Jerry Seinfeld. He thought of comedy differently than anybody when we hit. We know how much of a star, he was a star on comedy clubs way before people knew who he was. Sweetheart, I was there at the beginning. Yeah, right, way before people knew who he was. I know, but I had the privilege of being one of the people

who like, you know, saw him every night. Yes. Because that was our life back then. He was a little ahead of me like years wise. But like I was, when I first, I've told this before, but when I auditioned at the comedy, I auditioned at three clubs. Catch a Rising Star, The Improv, and The Comic Strip.

The person who passed me, the emcee decided you could hang out as a, you could be a neophyte comic, was Jerry at The Comic St strip and Larry at the improv. Yeah. So. Jerry did a joke back then, still one of my all time favorite jokes. This is like 1978, where he said,

I was just at the Smithsonian, you know, and I saw the, do you know this joke? No. He says, and I'm just doing a terrible joke, so I'm gonna, he said, they had Neil Armstrong's toothbrush, you know this joke? No. He says, and I'm just doing a terrible joke, so I'm gonna, he said, they had Neil Armstrong's toothbrush. I do remember this. And it said, I'm lone to the Smithsonian.

I do remember this, yes. And I'm like, I'm lone, I'm like, Neil, give them the toothbrush. And I'm like, that is hilarious. I mean, who thinks of that, you know? Neil, give them the toothbrush. That's one of the best punch lines. Yeah, oh no, he's...

Because it's not traditional. It's all point of view, you know? But anyhow, my point was like, I don't like that kind of stuff, but I also love when Jerry said, the thing that makes him the most happy is hanging with another comic and just shooting the shit.

And he's right, because there's a bond there, and this is the back to the John and Paul thing, there's a fucking bond there that we love. It is. You know, of the deconstruction shit, and talking shit about stuff, you know. I mean, I would, look, I'm not gonna lie, it is not above in my pantheon like a beautiful woman.

Sorry. We're not crazy here. But take that electric element out of it, that this is completely cerebral, where the other thing can be cerebral, cerebral and... Serves both purposes. And also sexy at the same time.

North American, South American. I mean, you can't compete with that. Nothing can. There's nothing in the world like a beautiful woman is also very smart. Right. I mean, but you can't get that every night.

So this is just a great, now this is, yeah, it's just, I've heard, I think, we're talking about the same interview I think you did with Barry Weiss the other day. Oh, that was brilliant. It was so great. It was brilliant, and to see Jerry unguarded like that. Emotional.

Yeah, I've never seen that. I was amazed because he is the, you know, it's him and Leno who did that, he used to do that character, Iron Jay. Yes, that's right. And I just. To this day I call him Iron Jay. Hey Iron Jay, because he really is Iron. And Jerry's kind of the same way. I mean they're very bulletproof.

People forget about Jay too, by the way. That's another one. They've forgotten the brilliance of Jay Leno. I haven't. They told me I talk about him too much on this podcast. I love him. And also, Jay doesn't get credit. You know me, I give people props. My brother wrote for Jay and his show for awhile.

Oh really? And he had to have a kidney release. And then Jay was first to help him out and try to find somebody. Mike Owens too, CAA, you know, he helped my brother out. There's a few people like that who are genuinely, Sean Penn is another one like that. He's genuinely like a man of action.

And Jay is the same way, he genuinely is that guy. Required no thanks, Bill. He required nothing. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Jay, I am this forever. No, they're very super heroists. I know Jay doesn't need a lot of sleep. And they're just much more about, you know,

all that stuff. I mean, I help out where I can, but I just don't, I'm just not the superhero type. You know, I'm the sit around and get stoned type. I can't help that. I ain't managing. But Jay gets knocked because, yeah, when he's not hosting a show, he can come in

and just bam, bam, bam, because he's been doing these jokes in the club act and being a letterman and do that, but when you're hosting a show, you know how it is, you have to do a show every fucking night. Larry. It's not the same as guessing on a show. Absolutely.

And you've curated shit over the past six months and you're coming in killing it. And there's very few people who will understand this, but having done a show like that, you were one of them on this level, but during the strike of 2007, Jay wrote his own monologue. Yeah, I remember.

And none of us, none of us, none of the other of us could do that. Maybe you could, I don't know. I couldn't, I remember. And none of us, none of us, none of other of us could do that. Maybe you could, I don't know. I couldn't, I'm gonna say that right here and now. I came up with a monologue once a week, it was, but that's not, I mean, I tweak every monologue joke, but writing, that's not my baby on the show.

I think I'm great at picking the great ones, but they write them. The end of the show, that monologue, that's me. Well, that's point of view. I mean, that's point of view, and it's a, I mean, they, of course, are instrumental in how good it comes out, I think, because jokes and, but the ideas and the force behind it,

the idea force behind it is usually from me. It's what I want to say about this subject. That's one about voice. And I will give them a template of how to do it. And thank God I have them, because it wouldn't nearly be the same. But only Jay could have written his own fucking whole like it. It didn't look that different

than when he had 20 writers. The volume of jokes too. Jay didn't just do five jokes in a monologue. The volume, nobody did as many jokes in a monologue as Jay. It's crazy how many he did. He would do like 15 minutes? Like Carson did four or five, you know. If you go back and look at the Carson's, his monologue was not very lovely.

And sexy, but it was him dancing when the joke fucking bombed. And they played tea. Made your mother's... For two weeks. Made a diseased yak. Yes, exactly. Yeah, Jay's a, he's a workhorse, man. Oh, unbelievable.

Yeah. I mean... So, so I get a little salty when people have revisionist history about people who we know to be the Titans. You know, not just, we're not just talking funny, we're talking Titans. Right.

They open the door for all these comics who have an opinion now about who's funny and who's not, you know. That's, I'm not a high horse about it, but I just like to check that. Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, where the talk world went was the definition of the Andy Warhol.

15 Minutes. Yes, everybody would, I mean, right now there are probably 50,000 other people doing a podcast. Right, I know, it's so true. It's like if when Johnny Carson was on, he was up against Merv Griffin, Dick Cavett, and four million other people. I know, it's so true.

Doing, and they had good shows too. They do? No, Cavett and Merv Griffin. Yeah. Yeah, they were just different, Cavett and Merv Griffin. Yeah. They were just different, and they couldn't survive against Johnny ultimately. I was too young to do the Cavett show, but I did Merv Griffin when I started, when he was out here.

And he did three shows. Well, his late night show that was on in the 60s, I don't remember then, but I've looked at it now, recently. Merv? It was brilliant. Merv? Yes.

Was brilliant? I'm telling brilliant. Merv? Yes. Was brilliant? I'm telling you. Because? His show. He didn't even do a comedy monologue, did he? Wait, was Merv or Mike Douglas? Which one am I thinking of?

They're both corny. No, but I'm telling you. And I hope I'm not messing up. I'm pretty sure it is Merv, though, where he had a, this is like Richard Pryor cut his teeth on this show, did a lot of these. We all did, I was about to tell you. But this is before the afternoon show, that's what I'm saying.

No, it wasn't in the afternoon. Merv was never in the afternoon, they taped it in the afternoon. I'm saying, Merv was this very lovely gay gentleman. Oh, that's good. Ooh, right, Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis, ooh, that's good. Let me see the line. Ooh, that's good. Ooh. Right, Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis. Ooh, that's good. Let me see the line.

Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. And he was a sweet guy. And they would tape it 330, 430, and 530. Right. And if you got the 330 shot, it was like all these old ladies, they bust in from Hollywood Boulevard.

Right. And there I am, 26-year-old. Exactly. You know, snarky. Ooh, he's a funny young guy. Right. Omar am, 26-year-old. Exactly. You know, smirking. Oh, he's a funny young guy. Gilmore, he's a kippa-dada, everybody. Yeah. Yes.

And then you'd talk to him for a couple of minutes. And I mean, it was cutting your teeth. It was painful. And you got through it. And I remember keeping a log of all the jokes I did on Merv, so I knew what, you know, I did on Johnny and all the different shows. Those shows were so innocent.

Remember that show, Make Me Laugh? Of course. I mean, it was fun seeing all the comics on shows like that, you know? Because there weren't as many outlets for that type of thing. To see them on that show, the purpose of that show, I thought was always a good premise. It was one premise. It was kind of bizarre though, too.

Some of them were so low budget, even if the improv. There was one show, it might have been, you did that? Oh yeah, I did all of them. Yeah, I did, there was one, it might have been Make Me Laugh, where they were so cheap,

they like, they cut, you did a set, but they like, put commercials in between. And they wouldn't even like, they were just, cut it like at three minutes, six minutes. That may have been Norm Crosby's comedy shop. Maybe that's what it was. So like you'd be in the middle of a war. Yes, exactly.

And I'd tell you something about pirates. Yes, exactly. How cheap can you be? We came back, he turned into Steve Bluestine. What happened? Yeah, Steve Bluestine. Those were the shows, man. It was so much fun.

What comedy club did you? I started here in the West Coast. Where? But I mainly did, I did the improv. I didn't do the comedy store. I auditioned a couple of times. I just never fit in over there. So I was an improv. I didn't fit in at the comedy store auditioned a couple of times. I just never fit in over there. So I was an improv.

I didn't fit in at the comedy store. I think she had a type that she liked. It wasn't me. It wasn't me either. Yeah. No, you know when you're welcome. You know it immediately. And when you're not.

Right, exactly. Which is fine. I was very welcome at the improv. Me too, yeah. That felt like home. And I ended up liking that style of comedian that were more at the than I did the comedy. There's nothing against those guys. Because the comedy story, you know what it had? More showy.

Yeah, and big names too that would splash in there. I used to sneak into these places, by the way, or sit in the back. And I remember once, I did the open mic night, I think, but I was underage. I was like 18 or 19. This was like 1979 or something like that. And I was in the original room, and this guy goes, excuse me, excuse me, I think, but I was underage. I was like 18 or 19. This was like 1979 or something like that.

And I was in the original room, and this guy goes, excuse me, walks by me, and it's fucking Richard Pryor. And I'm like, oh shit, Richard Pryor. And I got to see him do a set in the belly room, you know? And he's just working on stuff, not a lot of laughs, working it out, you know? And I was like, oh shit. And then I went from there, and I went into the main room, you know, And I was like, oh shit. And then I went from there and I went into the main room,

you know, walking in after he was done. And Letterman is in the scene. Wow. Letterman, you know, his... And I remember Jim J. Book. Remember Jim J. Book? Of course. I mean, he would kill in those days. People don't remember him now.

Well, he had all this energy. It was a gay thing, right? Yeah, but it was all that energy on stage. He was on Hollywood Squares. Hollywood Squares, and he did Two Clothes for Comfort, I think was his big thing with, what's his name, from Mary Tyler Moore Show? But he was really hot at that moment, I remember.

I remember seeing Jim Carrey in there when he was first starting out, people like that. Jim Carrey, who would- Sam Kinison. Who would do impressions just of the face. Yeah, exactly. He could make his face look like somebody and not have to say a word.

My brother used to do that. He's a special kind of talent. My brother did a Milton Berle face. He would just go, he would go. He would do something like that, like I can't do it. No, you can't. But he would just do his face like Milton Berle. And I was like, how do you do that?

I don't know. There are certain things people do in show business that just make me go, wow. I mean, I can't do improv, or I wouldn't want to try. You know, it's funny. I was listening to you talk about Belzer. And it just made me think, because of what you were talking about, well, let me say it like this.

I went down to Rabbit Hole to look at the early Saturday Night Live again, because I realized I missed a lot of them. this, I went down to Rabbit Hole to look at the early Saturday Night Live again, because I realized I missed a lot of them. You've done a lot of Rabbit Hole. I know, I go down a lot of Rabbit Hole. Do you? I do, I go down a lot of Rabbit Hole. Well I love history right now, so,

I'm doing a lot of history with Rabbit Hole. But are you one of those people who like when you're, Yeah. I know, I know what you're gonna say. I didn't even say that. No, I feel. Like you're looking at YouTube and then. Tell you what it is.

I never do. I'll tell you my first one. When I was a kid, I read a book say it. No, I feel. Like you're looking at YouTube and then. Tell you what it is. I never do. I'll tell you my first one. When I was a kid, I read a book on Houdini and then I had to read every book on Houdini. I had to learn everything in the book on Houdini. Oh yeah, that guy. So, same, and then it happened with Buster Keaton. I fell in love with Buster Keaton.

Wow. And a friend of mine had a 60 millimeter projector and he would screen the movies. Wow. All his shorts. And so I got to see Keaton just have that experience. And so I knew everything you could know about Buster Keaton. Then it was the Marx Brothers, and then it was the Beatles.

And the Beatles happened for me after John Lennon died. You feel like any of this found its way into your writing? Well, you know what it is, I like observing, like at that time, I was fascinated with what made people big. I was fascinated with what made people big. I was fascinated with that, you know. And it just fascinated me. I said, why is this a thing?

You know, like with the Beatles, I remember I knew who the Beatles were. They were in the background, but it wasn't like a thing for me growing up, you know. My parents weren't into that either. Right. You know, like the Atlantic recordings were more like what was in my house. That type of stuff.

Yeah, the Beatles' angel passed over the black community. It did, a lot of... Not because of them. No, not because of them, but some songs stood out that I remembered. Well, it just wasn't... It just wasn't a thing. It wasn't the year yet.

It just wasn't a thing. It was pre-American as a multicultural society. It just wasn't a thing. It was still an apartheid society, basically. Yeah, in many ways. 64. So you just didn't, black kids just didn't go to Beatles concerts.

They wouldn't have thought that they could. It just wasn't the thing. It just wasn't. And probably they were seeing it a little corny. Right, completely. Yeah, they weren't James Brown. Right, but although the Beatles always gave props to the black artists who inspired them, they always did.

And they also had a lot of soul. You don't have to be black to have soul. The Beatles proved that in many other groups. I mean, You Really Got a Hold of Me was one that they did. Yes. They did a really great version of that. Smokey Robinson. And their own shit.

Right. I mean, they have lots of soulful songs. So I remember, yeah, absolutely, Maybe I'm Amazed is like a great song. That's not them, that's Courtney. But you know what I mean, it's Paul. But anyhow, my brother had, it might have been an H, I don't remember,

of The Beatles Live at the Hollywood Bowl, this is after Lennon died. And I was listening to it, and Bill the Screams took me, made me do all this, and I was like, what the fuck? Because it's one thing to have the music playing, but to go back to the experience of them took me. And I was like, what is going on here?

When they called it Beatlemania, they were not exaggerating. Even at eight years old when it happened, I kind of understood, I didn't have anything to compare it to, but I kind of even got it then, that there was something going on with this that was outrageous. Well, this goes back to our earlier conversation, because since I have to be the historian,

because I went down the rabbit hole scenario. Please, I love historians. So, the Beatles hit at exactly the right time, though, because a lot of these things- After the Kennedy assassination. After the Kennedy assassination, because they had the chance to hit before that. As you know, their singles came out here

and didn't do anything, it didn't resonate. All of 1963. That's exactly right. All those singles flopped. Our president gets assassinated. It breaks the heart of the country, right? And they needed some relief. And the youth, if anything, was a transition time

for youth in America also. That's the other thing that was going on. And a lot of the folk music, it was coming out in there, but it hadn't really come out in popular music yet. That the revolution that was happening. Popular music hadn't done it yet. Folk music had done it, but not popular music. So Dylan was a big thing, but that was more for older age

heads, college students. So the joy that was in that scene, the joy that was in it, the joy in those harmonies was what connected with people. Yeah, there's amazing energy and the love they had for each other translated and all that. And it was new in the hair. There's somebody who, people have said this theory before, who had a twist on this that will amuse you

since you said this. He killed Kennedy? He said, you know who killed Kennedy? Oh, yeah, I was there. Yeah. He said, look who are the most to gain, Brian Epstein. That's hilarious. I love that.

By the way, I can slap down any of those fascinating theories. That's hilarious. That's so funny. I love that. That actually makes sense. It makes sense. I mean't remember who said that. That actually makes sense. It makes sense. I mean, it's not true, but it makes sense. But yeah, they did benefit from that.

And also, you know, I Wanna Hold Your Hand was a catchy record. And like Elvis, it had Black Roots in that record too. All of them, yeah. Yes. All of them. That hand clap. Yeah.

Well, I mean, Chuck Berry. Yes. All of them. That hand clap. Yeah. Well, I mean, Chuck Berry was John Lennon's. He stole Come Together directly from Chuck Berry. He didn't even change the line. Here come all flat. I mean, Jesus. But Paul said, maybe you should slow it down, you know. Yes, they did.

Because it sounds slightly, you know. I mean, look, again, John Lennon on my ultimate, ultimate pantheon. But Paul McCartney is a musical genius. He is. Nobody is quite on his level. Not quite. And John, I'm sure, knew that.

Yeah, he was jealous. He was jealous a little bit. Well, he just couldn't keep up quite in the competition. And that's a good example of like, you know, and I think as the years went by, like his genius was in the first half of the Beatles' life. I agree. He was the spirit of the band,

he was the leader of the gang that became a band, and it was early rock and roll and their early sound, which was fantastic in its own way. But in the second half, first of all, he was on drugs, and then he was with Yoko. The heroine. And he was lazy by his own admission. And he let...

I'm only sleeping. And Brian, and Bright, exactly. I'm so tired. Yes. Like, how many songs where he's giving us clues, though? Right. And then everything else is gobbledygook. Right, gobbledygook.

I always say that about their lyrics. I don't have time for lyrics. No, exactlybbledygook, I always say that about their lyrics. I don't have time for lyrics. No, exactly, it's funny, I've used that same word. John, you couldn't write a real lyric? Right, he was lazy by his own admission and he was kinda over the, like, I conquered the world, what the fuck do you want from me?

And I'm looking for something more, and it happens to be Yoko Ono, no, she's cool. Okay, so, but in that second half, I mean, Paul, I think really took over. He did. And even with John's songs, like that one, he was kind of important to make it happen. Not that John, I mean, Revolution is,

could be my all-time favorite if I had to name one Beatles song, the fast version of Revolution, and that's a John Lennon song. And here's the thing, to prove your point, it's the B-side to Hey Jude. I always say that. The B-side to Hey Jude.

That's my theory as to why they... He's like, Hey Jude, bitches, how about that? Well, that's my theory. It's been in the paper. I've said it before about why they broke up, was they prized singles, and John kept getting the B side. Strawberry Fields is the B side of Penny Lane. There's a number of, Rain is the B side.

Paperback writer. Of paperback writer, right. And Rain is brilliant too. Let It Be was the B side. They had like. Let It Be is the A side. I mean the A side. And the Ballad of John and Yoko. No, no, no, that was the B side. They had like... Let it be is the A side. I mean the A side. And the Ballad of John and Yoko.

No, no, no, that was its own single. Oh, that was his own, okay. And that's another example of how John and Paul, it was still the love affair. They recorded that in May of 1969 after he got back from his honeymoon. And they were the only ones on the record. John and Paul, Ringo and George were out of the country.

Good old fashioned man on man love. And man on man love. And Paul played drums and John played guitar and you know. I love that that song, it's just John's diary. What happened? Like there's no song writing in it at all. But at least, apropos of Gobbledy Gook, the lyrics make sense.

It's a story. Right, exactly. I think the lyrics are great to that song. But Gobbledy Gook, you know, this is funny. Next thing you know, they're gonna crucify me is a great lyric. It is, and they banned it. The way things are going, they're gonna crucify me.

They banned it, you know, they couldn't play it because he said Jesus Christ. Christ, you know it ain't easy. Well, that's him also saying fuck you to all that. Remember when they wanted to burn the Beatle records because of the Jesus comment? I think John, he didn't forget shit. Oh no.

I think that's a callback. I never heard that, but that's interesting. Yeah, until that, it's like, okay, fuck you, I'm doubling down. That was like the first cancellation when he said we're more popular than Jesus Christ and then they're on tour and there's that great tape, we still have it, it's in the anthology

of him at a press conference. And you can just tell he's had it up to here with having to explain himself. I never said we were better or greater than Jesus Christ or a person or a thing or whatever it is. I just said what I said and it was wrong or it's been taken wrong and now it's all this. That's great, yeah.

And it's just like, mm. And then by the time. And that was cancellation. Yeah, by the time, and he still had that attitude when they were announcing Apple. Like, it's supposed to be this happy thing, but John can't take the questions, you know? No, he's got a sour look on his face.

And he says, starting a company is for someone who just has an idea for a film or a record or a tape or something. Doesn't have to sit on his knees in someone's office. Probably yours. probably yours. Probably yours. Yeah. How awesome is that?

Probably yours. You're never breaking it. It's like, we were just asking you what it does. Never breaking character, never smiling. No wink at the end, just, and compare that to like 1964, landing the press conference at the airport, where they're these giddy young kids over in America and it's great and you all love us

and you're asking us questions. Have I had a haircut? I went yesterday. Ha ha ha. Can you say, no we need money first. Yeah, we need money first. And just a few years later, it's this sour, stone-faced, cynical,

like what the world did to them. I mean, Beatle Mayde and Joe. Well, that's an example of like how fame can really fuck you up too. You know, when, a lot of their experience, and I think Paul talked about this, was a hotel, another hotel, another hotel. Of course.

Stage, and that. Where they were, where they didn't even have their own room. Yeah, they couldn't see any of the places they went to. But not your own room? I know. You're the biggest act in the world and you have to share a bunk with George?

They would sneak in women too. They would? Oh yeah, absolutely. They must have. Oh they absolutely did. I hope they did. Oh yeah, they did. They didn't talk about it a lot

because John was married. Right, they must have. And in those days things were kept hush hush more, those types of things. But they absolutely did that. I hope so. They certainly have kept that mum then. Yeah, so I'll do my quick Beatle impression for you,

because the way I broken it down is by where it exists in my head. And these are the young Beatles. So like, Paul, he's up here, he's up here. You know, he's on, I mean, who knows? You know, he's down there, I mean, who knows? I mean, you know, we might be gone by the time he's there. I mean, who knows? And then, when you get to John, it goes to the nose.

It's more like, this is John speaking with his voice. You know, he's over there. And then George, he used the whole mouth. Well, who knows? I mean, I can play it if you want me to, Paul, or I can know, and then George used the whole mouth. Well, who knows? I mean, I can play it if you want me to, or I can not play it, I can do whatever you want,

but you have to, it's in your mouth when you do George. And then Ringo goes back to, hello, hello lads, this is Ringo Starr. You're right, it goes, it's all in different parts. That's hysterical. All you have to do is shift the part of your head that the voice belongs in. So you can go from both.

And we can go right, hello lads. So anyhow, that's my little... You gotta make a thing out of that. You know, a meme or I don't know. Yeah, but it's fun. I love just going down those types of things, but Beatles were different than all those others because there was something about it.

Who were your other musical icons? Who's on your pantheon? Like, for me, Beatles, of course, are probably at the top. Beatles came later. Like, when I was growing up, there were a couple of people. I think the first music that meant something to me was probably Marvin Gaye. I love Marvin Gaye.

Like, what's going on? I, what's, I... It's the music of my soul, Bill. It is the best way I could put it, you know. I was, if you were gonna ask me like who's in my pantheon, I was gonna mention him. It's Marvin Gaye's opening at the top. In fact, Apple just did that. And somewhat underrated because... Completely.

He certainly had his hits, you know, heard it through the grapevine and what's going on. And he used to perform with other artists like Tammy Turan and that type of thing too. But like to do a song about the ecology in 1970... Barry Gordy was against it. ...in the black community? Barry Gordy was against it. I'm sure.

Yeah, didn't want him to do it. Because Motown was so clean and antiseptic back then. No, but not in 1970 because Supremes had broken through that. Do I have... From the Supremes album, is that awesome? When they put out Love Child, that was a groundbreaking record.

Because Berry Gordy always wanted to keep it just like, let's not offend the white record buyer, let's just keep it to men and women that transcends racial lines. Every girl knows what it's like to be hearing a symphony or stopping in the name of love. You just keep me hanging on. Yeah, and they have some great songs.

Oh, so great. But when they, I don't remember how it came about, but I'm sure it took a lot of lobbying, he put out Love Child, and it was huge. And then they put out a successor, Living in Shame, do you remember that one? Which was kind of Love Child part two. You could tell it was like, oh,

this is what the kids are into now, now we're living in shame. First we had a Love Child. But that's where we get the word Love Child, which they used to call a bastard. Love Child. And never meant to be. And Nina Simone, who wasn't on that label,

she had her own lane during that time and had some controversial things that, and even for her, were out there. So she was like the leader in doing that type of thing. What was it, Mississippi thing? What was that song? That was one that was, ooh, man. Why?

I can't remember the title of the song. But Marvin Gaye, back to your question, like he was the one, the other one that, okay, I was looking at that Apple list, did you see that of the 100 best albums? No. Okay, they put out a list and there's some of them, like Sgt. Pepper's not even on the list,

which is ridiculous. But. Really, not on the list? Here's who's not on the list that I could not understand, is Earth, Wind, and Fire. It's like, how can Earth, Wind & Fire, Earth, Wind & Fire had a sound all to their own and they had the one album, The Way of the World,

That's the Way of the World. There's so many great songs in there from Shining Star to Reasons. Oh, Shining Star, right. Oh, it was great. It was like. Okay, I'll have to give. And Stevie Wonder. Those were my three have to give. And Stevie Wonder.

Those were my three in the 70s. Well, Stevie Wonder is. Those were my three in the 70s. Just what a composer. I mean, when he was cooking, that tenure, I mean, there was nobody writing music like that. The best.

And it was, it defied easy categorization. He was an original. It was in every genre. I mean. And it's still listenable, Bill. That's the thing about great music. You can go back, if you can listen to it

and it still sounds fresh, as opposed to, oh yeah, that's what they listened to then. But if it still sounds, oh shit, this is good. I mean, all in love is fair. Streisand did it. Oh, oh. And did it great, of course. But either versions, like, I mean, that kind of songs,

that's. Good stuff is good stuff. That's Carson's. That's good stuff. That is good, good stuff. Now a word from Alpo. Exactly. Alpo, that's right.

All right, well, I probably should do my, do you have anything to plug? You have a new show? You always have a show. I'm happy to be here. I have a show called Reasonable Doubt. I'm producing with Carrie Washington. Unhulu?

Unhulu. Carrie and I are the exec producers of it. It was something that was loosely based on Sean Holly, who was actually part of the OJ trial. She's a great lawyer here in Los Angeles, and it's loosely based on Sean. And we're in our second season. We just finished shooting it.

And the second season premieres in August, and it's really a fun show. Rama Mohammed, I have to give her props. She's our showrunner. She's so good. She's just so good. And it's just a great cast, too. And when you say executive producer,

so you're kind of like Godfathered. Yeah, kind of overseer, exactly. And I love doing that type of thing, especially, you know. Oh, I'll bet. This was not the heavy lifting, but it's... No, you earned it. Yeah, it's a heavy overseeing. You earned it.

I knew I'd be an overseer at some point, though. See, you get that. overseeing. You earned it. I knew I'd be an overseer at some point, though. See, you get that. Thank you very much, folks. How can you be an overseer? Another thing you can say and I can't. Where you go? Who says there's no reparation?

Oh, exactly. I'm an overseer. Thank you very much. Thanks, universe. You did it right, universe. You did it right. Club. Random. Hey, University did it right.

Hey man. Appreciate it. We'll give you a kiss up here. Just walk through. To a girl.