Club Random with Bill Maher - Michael Rapaport | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

Bill Maher welcomes Michael Rapaport for a raw, hilarious conversation about comedy, culture, and chaos. They revisit their Improv days, debate the death of R-rated comedies, and unpack the rise of cancel culture. Rapaport gets fired up about crime and safety in New York City, policing, and politics, while Bill breaks down media hypocrisy and apology culture. They trade stories about acting legends – De Niro, Pacino, Stallone, Scorsese – and dive into fame, dating, and how social media ruined privacy. It’s pure Rapaport: one part comedy, one part chaos, all New York. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our Advertisers: Get 30% off your first purchase and free shipping at https://www.wonderballsusa.com and use code RANDOM Go to https://www.zbiotics.com/random and use code RANDOM for 15% off your first order Head to https://www.squarespace.com/CLUBRANDOM to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code CLUBRANDOM.  Get $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping at https://www.nutrafol.com and enter promo code RANDOM  Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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famous girl. Yeah, yeah, that's not good. Whoa, I cannot put Nicole Kidman through this. No, I'm kidding. It was a great stick man. I just want to have another reason to use the word stick man. It's a great word. Never used and never heard, but of course I love. How are you? Good to see you, man. I'm in tenure since the improv. I know. Nice to see you all the time in my improv days and politically incorrect days yeah but i didn't see you there i mean when i mean because you were what were i was trying to figure this out joanne and mark you are you are your not your real parents no but i Claudia your sister is my half sister half sister joan was married to my father before i was born okay this is mark lano who was the partner of the bud friedman so they

owned the improv together yes so you were like sion of the improv dynasty. Yes. When I was a kid. You were the Pauley sure of the improv. Pretty much. Pretty much. But did better.

No disrespect to Pauley. No disrespect, but you've had a very estimable movie career. Pauley had some huge hit movies. Pauli, yeah, the wheeze, man. The MTV days are iconic. To you, perhaps. I'm a different generation. He was, he was, what he was doing was, he was, he was Adam Sandler level, but not for too long.

No. There was a, there was, he had a, but look, in show business, very few things last, oh, a long time, knock wood. I've been on 33 years, so, like, crazy. Crazy, yeah, but, but that's, that's a rarity. But, no, he had a, he had a huge, what were the movies? Like, one was an Army movie. Paulies? Yeah, they reminded me of, like, Abbott and Costello movies.

Yeah, yeah. Go into the Army. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was like, just throw him in anything. But he was, you know, Pauli, you know, Paul. Biosphere, wasn't that one where they went to a biosphere? And there's always hot chicks. Yes, chicks.

I mean, they were, it was the era of, like, so many, like, dumb guy, like, Beavis and Butthead and Ted and... Right. What's Ted and the Cano Reeves is, you know... Bill and Ted. Bill and Ted. Yeah. Dumb and Dumber. Like America could not get enough.

Yes. Of pairs of dumb-ass guys. How could you team up? Like, what's... team them up like that. Yeah, they should make movies like that now because they're simple, they're cheap. And, you know, they seem like those kinds

of, like, simple, cheap, dumb comedies. Yeah, I mean, the R-rated comedy, they just, the Naked Gun. They fucked it up. They fucked the R-rated comedy up. How do you feel about it? No, the naked gun I liked, the remake, the Liam Neeson.

Right. But the R-rated comedy went out with cancel culture. Yeah, yeah, but don't you think there's a different vibe now? Aren't we into a different? I thought the vibe, vibe is different. I don't think the vibe is different. You don't? I think.

You're right. Woke is not dead. It ain't dead. And every little move you make, every step you take, if you screw up, they'll jump on you. And we all love all those R-rated comedies, all the Judd comedies, all the Seth Rogen comedies, all the old school and the will. And they won't make them. Farrelly, brother. Awesome.

You know, which very politically incorrect. Yep. Except for the one I so love, I just watched it again. The Oscar foam? Green Book. Yes. That Peter Farreley made. Yes.

Which is not at all like his, that's an adult movie. I think it won the Oscar. Yeah, it won something. And then the woke shit on it because it was, there's a movie that they should love. Right. Five years ago, 10 years ago, they would have like come all over it because it's about racism and has all the right moves and you know the black guy is way smarter than the white guy it's like everything you should love about it as a liberal but it was directed by a white guy

so it had to be bad you know like not they didn't all say that but that's definitely the new york time said that they're doing a movie now that i wanted to be in but there's really was nothing they're doing a movie called i play rocky about the making of rocky so it's a there's a an actor playing Sylvester Stallone before he's Rocky. Right. And that whole story of how he sold the script. How he held on to the script when he was living like in his car

and they were offering him $300,000 for someone else to play it. Imagine the balls to say, you know what? I'm destitute and I'm still going to hold out for me playing this part. It's like a Rocky story in the Rocky movie.

That's better than the Rocky story. And the script, I was because that's my movie. So I read that script and I was like, holy shit. And they were like, you know, they're in the scenes and there's a whole relationship with his father. Because did you see the documentary, the Stallone documentary on Netflix? It's a lot of that, you know, stuff that, you know, he revealed about the dysfunction with his father and the sort of wanting the...

I love him. I'm watching, I'm almost done with all of Tulsa King. Do you have to watch Tulsa? Of course, of course. Direct, it's definitely a rip-off of that Linda Murla. What the far? I never get the name of it. The one Stevie Vanne.

Van Zant did, I think it was the first series on Netflix. And it's about a mafia guy who goes, there's a fish out of water. In that case, Sweden, in this case, Tulsa. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But it's a great, you know, fish out of water movies are great. And it's simple. It's basic.

It's a perfect pairing, Stallone and Tyler Sheridan, because, not that he writes every word of it, he didn't even put his name on the, he puts his name on so many scripts. I'm like, this guy could have. not even be up this many hours, writing this many scripts. But it's his style.

And it's, you know, and Stallone, these guys, you know, it's perfect for before you go to bed because, you know, is it going to challenge you? No. And I don't want to be challenged before I go to bed. I want to watch TV. I agree. I totally agree. Not always, but like sometimes.

I don't want to be challenged before I go to bed. I don't want to be provoked. Especially now, you know, I was talking to your producer. about like the late night stuff and uh because i was saying you know because i had saw Woody allen on the on the chair and i was like what he sat in this chair and all the stuff and you know the criminal kimmel and all that stuff for me like the late night stuff is

changed so much even since when i first met you like the 80s and the 90s carson they loll you to sleep night and day but now i think you should even go back to lulling people to sleep even more because we're on our phone all day we're stimulated all day right we're arguing doing all day. We're on the, you know, we're watching the news all day. So even more so now, late night TV, lull me to see, we don't need any provocative shit. We've been provoked all day. We need, you know, jokes, light jokes, skits and goofy shit and put me to sleep. And that's why I think that the, those guys on, you know, the politics at night, we don't need it. We've seen it all day. I remember I was in a meeting when I first got politically incorrect. And I'm, you know,

early young and never had my own show and late night. And they're explaining me some of the things about late night. And I said, such a stupid thing because they said, you know, it depends a lot on, when you're on a network, I was on ABC, Comedy Central, then ABC for six years. And of course, you have to, each individual market in the country has the option to show you the network, it's a network show which they offer to their stations, to their affiliate, what they're called affiliate, their affiliated stations. There's like 200 of them around the country.

Now, the network itself owns the big ones. They own Chicago and New York and L.A. But they don't own Tulsa. Right. There's a guy in Tulsa, and if he wants to put on politically incorrect, he will. And if he wants to put on reruns of dynamite, he'll do that. Right. Or he can put it on a time when it's not really supposed to be on.

It was supposed to be on after Nightline. Right. So they're explaining all that. And the guy says, but, you know, after a lot of it, you know, after 11 o'clock, every half hour, you lose half the audience. And I said, oh, my God, why? And he went, because they go to sleep.

Okay, moron, what do you, why do you think we lose it? But it's true. At 11, you have 50 million people watching. At 11.30, you have 25 million. Right. And at midnight, you have 12. And at 12.30, you have 10. People go to sleep.

What was your take on the whole thing now that the dust is clear? Because, you know, as a comedian, as a shit-talker, as a provocateur and somebody who's in the business of television. And you know all these people. Like, what was your sort of take on that situation now that the dust is cleared? I feel like I'm interviewing you. You can. It's not an interview. You know, I was forthright on my show about supporting Jimmy,

also saying I didn't agree with what he said because it was just wrong. I was very adamant that he has the right to be wrong. Two points I really wanted to make. One, he wasn't attacking Charlie Kirk. There was no insult of Charlie Kirk, which is what they're all riled up about. He was saying the guy who shot him was probably on your team, MAGA.

I said, that's bullshit. We don't know these, and I did a whole editorial about the fact that most of these killers, of the recent variety, you go through their manifestos and shit. It's not even about politics. They're nihilists. They don't believe in anything. They could be, look, I mean, was he probably rebelling against his MAGA family?

Probably that's more likely. So what Jimmy said was just not, to me, tracking accurately. To me, it's a guy who, you know, and this is, look, Jimmy apparently doesn't like me too much anymore because he thanked everybody but me, and I was actually. adamant, adamant about supporting him that week and the next week. Like I said, I can't lie and say, I think what he said was accurate, but I was adamant that he shouldn't be thrown off the air. He did a great show. I went on and on. Okay. You know, my problem with host, him and hosts like that, quite frankly, they're all quite similar in this regard, is that they're ideologically captured by

one side. It's just not what I do or what I'm doing. And so, and there's a reason why half the country feels insulted by them and has turned off to them because it's just one very predictable point of view. And this proves that it's, it's often not completely accurate because that was not really a smart thing to say that this guy who shot Charlie Kirk was on the MAGA team. Because that's just something that, that the blue sky crowd told themselves. And if you're in that, if you're that far in the bubble

where you don't really see the both sides and you don't really see the... Completely. You're going to believe that. You're going to believe that blue sky point of view. Oh, a bad thing happened. It must be coming from the other team. And for me, like, it was four days afterwards

and as a public person of any level to make light, point fingers, who can't, it's a sick person. Right. Sick person, sick person, sick person. That's it. Because all of us, especially in this day and age, you know, should be humbled by that. Because that could be anybody. That could be anybody in this day and age because you don't know how you're provoking people and all that stuff. And to even make light of it four days after, point fingers, joke, not a joke. No, it shouldn't be discussed. It was four days afterward. And I like Jimmy, too. But I just didn't. I don't think that's funny at all. Again, wait, let's be clear. Like I said at the beginning of this, he wasn't making fun of Charlie Kirk. He was making jokes at MAGA's expense. That's very different. And even if he was, that would be abhorrent and the people who did it abhorrent, but not illegal. No, I get it. I totally agree. And they tried to make it illegal. They basically said we have a blasphemy law in this country. That's not right either. This isn't Pakistan. I agree. And he's not the prophet Muhammad. I agree.

Peace and blessings be upon him. Yeah, Pete, yeah. Right. You got to say that. So you must be in love with the new mayor that you're going to have. I can only imagine what you've been ranting about that guy. I can't even believe that he is the frontrunner to become the mayor of New York City right now. Well, you better get used to it.

You think, I think, I think, I feel like right now there's a little bit of, uh, energy towards Cuomo winning. Curtis has to drop out and I feel like there's a chance. I don't think it's a Lance. He's acting like he's the mayor. He's walking around like he's won this thing already. And well, every day that goes by and he's talking to the press, every single day, he's getting more and more bold and more honest with the shit that he's saying. And it's offensive. Well, no, I think quite the opposite.

is that I think he's walking back some of the things. He needs to walk back some of the things. Like, for a long time, they were trying to get him to say something about support. I don't remember what his original comment was, but he certainly did not condemn the idea or the phrase, globalize the intifada. Right.

Okay, so I think he has walked that back. He hasn't walked that back specifically. And today... Well, he has to walk that back. it back in the way a... He double-talked sideways with that smiley bullshit. Well, that's called being a politician. But he's got it down.

So to many politicians. I know. He's not that different in that respect. I know. He was asked, do you... Are you four Hamas laying down their guns? The lady asked him that. Are you four Hamas laying down their guns?

And he's like fucking talking about like the sky is green and blue and da-da-da-da. But you're clear on the fact that you will support. Bibi Netanyahu being arrested if he comes to New York, but you won't say that Hamas, yes, should lay down their guns. This guy is so full of fucking shit. He's so full of fucking shit. It's baffling to me that we've gotten this far, but this is where we are.

He is so full of shit. And I don't, when you interview somebody, a politician, and you ask them a straight question like that, do you want Hamas to lay down their guns? and they don't give you an answer. Don't you think you should be like you're not answering the question? I do. That's what I do.

That's why so many people won't do my show. That's why the Clintons have never been on my show. That's why a O.C, and I invite these people all the time every week. I could go down to Kamala Harris, never did the show. I mean, these are people, and I voted for her. You know, these are people who should not be, it took me eight years to get Obama to do the show and a petition.

These are people who should do my show, but yes, I'm not, Katie Porter was in the news because she was angry at a reporter for asking a follow-up question, and my reaction was they should do that more. Right. They don't ask follow-up questions because they just smile and nod

and go on to the next one because they're not, a lot of the... Some of them are, of course, very seasoned and smart people in journalism, but there's a lot of people who are out of their depth. I'm not. Never have been. My father was in news. It was in my blood when I was a kid. It was in my, it's my early, it's how I was. As a comedian, mostly a political stand-up comedian. I'm not out of my depth. I know my shit. I don't have to look up, you know, whether Iran is a Sunni or Shiite, you know. Are you going to get him on your show, Mondami?

Well, again, Zoron, the Moron? We ask. Zoran. Come on, Bill Maher. Go on Bill Maher, Zoran, because when you get asked the questions, you're going to get a follow-up question. Right, well, that's probably... Get that fucking guy on his show. That probably is not going to help. You don't think that's going to help? The way you phrased it, no. My point?

My guessing is that's not going to induce some... But I don't... Look, I don't have to beg, and I can't subpoena it. I don't think he's going to... Because he thinks he's going to win. Why would he come on? We have already invited him every week. If it was going to happen, it would have happened.

Yeah. He ain't coming on. Why would he come on? Things are going good. Exactly. Because I would ask the follow-up question. And I am not out of my depth. Yeah.

And I do know what Iran is. Yeah. And every place in the Middle East. I love history. Yeah. And I know lots about the Middle East. And I hope the peace plan here takes hold. You know, I see that, like, lots of people give Trump credit, and I am one of them.

But even like the Clintons came out and said, you know, lots of people who you, you know, Federman, you can count on him to be honest. But I think even Schumer and I think the New York Times, Time Magazine had a, you know, he didn't like the picture. I don't blame him. It was kind of a low-blow picture. But the title on the front of Time Magazine is like his big triumph or something. 150%.

And, you know, I mean, he knows me very well now and knows where I stand on lots of stuff he does that I do not like and no one should like. but when he does something right, I think it's, it is deranged, Trump derangement syndrome, not to give credit where credit is too. It's just the fact. Everybody tried to have that, no, things change. That's true. Maybe the time was just right. But I think, no, I think that the situation is in any way, in many ways worse than it ever was. And he just tried a different way. You know, it's just, he's not a professional diplomat. We know, we know.

that. But what is? And that it just worked better. I mean, like everybody's the real estate guys, yeah, you know what? Real estate guys, you know, whatever. They got it done in a way now it's not done. But they just... They got those people home that are alive. Well, what they did was they

here's how they changed the game. And this goes back to the first Trump administration. Instead of dealing with only the Palestinians, they said, let's just, you know, stop putting them at the center of this. Let's have Israel make deals with other countries. I mean, Palestine was never actually, I hate to break it to you, some people who think otherwise, you know, the useful idiots on the college campuses wearing the kaffayas, but it was never a political entity.

There was never a separate country called Palestine, okay, that was occupied. That's not history. But there are other countries like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and Qatar and Bahrain. and Morocco, and let's make a deal with the actual countries. Right. And they did that. Yep. And that's where they're going with this thing. Yep. And then the other countries will take it, hopefully what will happen is that the Arab countries will take it upon themselves to fix the Palestinian problem more. Israel has never been able to have a partner with the Palestinians because it was always people like Hamas who just wanted to kill them. How do you negotiate with people whose negotiating position is, you all die.

You all die. That's how we, that's plan, part of our plan A. They don't want, is it all to exist, period? Yeah, from the river to the sea. What does that mean? It means we have it all, and you either die or what, move to Arizona. I mean, it's ridiculous. But you can partner with Saudi Arabia.

Yep. Things are changing in that part of the world. It has to. Yes, it has. Well, it doesn't have to. We've gone on for centuries and centuries and centuries, And it will, lots of stuff will go on. But, I mean, I also will say this about Trump

that is pretty interesting. Of course, he's beloved in Israel like nobody ever has been. For good reason. He did more for Israel than any other president. And he didn't play the silly game that the other presidents do. Like, well, we have to be even Stephen.

You know, maybe the, you know, who knows who's right, the people who treasure life or the people who treasure death. And he was like, No, where would you live, Ramallah or Tel Aviv? You'd live in Tel Aviv. Right.

A society that resembles yours and has shared values. You know, not letting women be free to dress as they want and covering their faces and stuff, that's not our values. Are you kidding? So he said, no, I'm with Israel. Period. Let's see how this works out. I'm with Western values. Right.

I think democracy is better than theocracy. Now, we can also go into the discussion about how the horrible things he's actually doing to democracy in this country, but for this discussion just about the Middle East, how about this? The Jews love him more than any President Emperor, and the Arabs do too. Right. That's quite a hat trick. You've got to give it up for that one. Right.

That's quite a trick that the Saudi Arabia, they all, you know, they kind of relate on a, you like gold, everything. I like gold, everything. And also, the Trump doctrine is really, we don't judge you. You know what? You cut the head off a journalist? Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but, you know, I'm just not going to judge. No, you can say that's right or wrong, but here's the facts. Biden wouldn't talk to him for a year after that and then had to.

He went over there and he fist-bumped the guy who did it, the guy who said, we're not talking to you anymore. Because it's Saudi Arabia. You can't ignore them. You can't. They're the counterweight. to Shiite Iran, and they are the people who have the oil. So you can't not deal. So, you know, again, it's a fucking miracle that he got those people home, the 20 people home.

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Well, and I'll tell you something, as crass as I've been on him, his first term. But aside, but just on the Israel tip, I mean, yes, you, people who can't give it up, you know, people who can't accept an apology, we, in the peak woke period, it was one of the things that was so obnoxious about it was that people would be forced to apologize half the time for bullshit. you know like Halloween costume level bullshit and then the apology itself it was not good enough was attacked right the apology is not good enough never good enough did he mean when he he said I sincerely

apologize was he sincere when he said I'm sincerely apologizing it was just it was so Soviet you know like you had to literally like do what they did in the Soviet Union I would like to thank my accusers for pointing out what a piece of shit I am I will do better in the,

and you just want to, like, for the people who wonder, you know, why did you turn on the left? I didn't turn on the left. They became something, part of them became something gross, and I just commented on it like I comment on everything. I just didn't ignore it like these other people do.

I didn't change how I felt about the right and the horrible things they were doing, but I just, that kind of behaved, that kind of like moralistic, smug. It's fucking ridiculous. Petty bullshit. It makes me sick. The bitches and snitches culture, the people who hate bullying so much but wind up being the biggest bullies.

There's something viscerally about that. That's almost more aggravating than the stuff that I know intellectually is more dangerous on the right. But this kind of stuff just makes you want to Yeah. They need to start sticking motherfuckers back in the lockers. they gotta start doing that it's such mean girl it's terrible it's just

to judge the apology to analyze the apology isn't good enough you can't breathe it's it's it's so bad it's so fucking bad and you know I mean

I think apologizing changing growth all that shit is is good yeah should be commended not I had Van Jones on the last show you did I just found out the other day, somebody said... Oh, he's been getting ripped for that. I didn't even realize it.

That's, I guess... Do you watch a show? I watched the show. But see, that's the thing. No one cared at the time, and I've been through these scandals. At the moment. Right. When I got canceled off ABC, for what I said about the terrorists,

nobody cared at the time. And nobody cared at the time or in the audience what Van said. It's just these people afterwards who... Who live. Well, they live to find something. Well, your show Saturday is the date of, like Saturday, you know, like with sports, you go, ESPN, you watch the highlights. Saturday is to get the reaction on Twitter. Well, of course, people do see it on Friday also because it's on, but.

But I'm saying the reaction. Well, the blobe. You're trending on Twitter every Saturday morning. What I'm saying is, good. What I'm saying is that people, there are certain people, the kind we don't like, bro. who just live to find something. I always call them the, is this something, people? You know, Van Jones said,

and he was making a joke, which was not in any way an expense or mocking the dead in Gaza. It was a comment on social media, and, of course, you can purposely misinterpret. That's what happened to me. When I said, we have been the cowards, you know, these people who attack the building

are not cowards, which is technically true and certain conservatives like Rush Limbaugh defended and he said, Bill's right. You know what? They stayed with the suicide mission. They're not cowards. Right. You know, we're lobbying cruise missiles from 1,000 miles away. You can pretend that I was criticizing the military, which is what they did, but they'd know better. That's called bad faith.

And that's what they just did with Vand. Bad faith. You know that's not what he means. and you know it's not at their... But it doesn't matter, you can get the other useful idiots to believe it, and they do. And so I think he did have to apologize or something, but I mean,

you know, if I do something really terrible, I will apologize, and, you know, I'm a fan of apologies if it's a sign of growth and bigness and lots of other good things, but not for bullshit. I agree. If anybody comes after me for that kind of stuff, and I just like,

you have to say you're sorry, and it's that level stupid. I'm just going to go, nope, you know what? I've had 33 years on television. If this is what you want to throw me out for, fine. Right. I don't need any more money. Right. That's good. You know, and I'm just going to, I'm going to quote Michael Corleone in Godfather too. Senator, you can have my answer now. My offer is this. Nothing. Not even the price of the gaming license, which I'd appreciate it if you would put up personal. You pay for it, motherfucker That would, I'll just say that

And they'll be like, what is that? And then like two seconds Somebody would be like, no, that was from the godfather Right, and the guy will be back That's a good way to go out Yeah, that is a good way to go out Yeah Because when I was canceled

You ever have Diane Keen on? No, but I would have loved to The late great What happened there? We don't know I don't know Boy, she kept, talk about packing a tight suitcase, no one, that's so like her, you know, classy, like, I'm not going to burden anybody with it. One day, they're just going to open the paper and I'll be dead, and nobody will have, I won't have to endure their, like, stupid pity that doesn't help. I won't have to endure there, because I wouldn't want that either.

Like, if I'm on way out, like, I just, let's just not talk about it. Right. Unless you have an actual solution. Right. But, you know, just I hope you, I don't give a shit about what you hope. Right. You know, I hope it's just like the cheapest word. As soon as you get people like they write you, you know, an email or a text or even an old phone message.

Hey, I hope you're doing okay. I'm like, yeah, let's just assume that's your position. Right. You don't have to tell me this. I'll leave it on my phone machine. Let's just assume that at all times, because you're a friend, you hope I'm doing it. Right, right, right, right. If that changes and you hope I don't, right.

Right. Leave that on my machine. Let me know when you hope I'm not doing well. But otherwise it means really nothing to me. Right, right. You know? Right. I hope I never get a message like this again because I just wasted 30 seconds of my life. That's funny.

That's true. You know, but she just was like, no, I am not going to burden a soul and you'll just find out when you find out. That's- 79 is young. That's class. How old? 79. Is young?

To pass of like a health issue, I think. It's not actually. actuarially. Well, it's not young. It's, like, my father's 93. Okay, but that's not actuarially the norm. What is the norm? 79. Is that, that's it? I think that's exactly. I'm feeling

that is almost the exact age, and it's different for women and men. Women live longer. So, 79's young? No, 70. I don't, I think resources. Like, you know, she obviously has resources and doctors. I just feel like 79 is, like it's young to

pass. It's all jeans, bro. I know. Not all, but, like, obviously, how you treat yourself, whether you still eat from drugs, kids, don't ever do that. Right. Listen to Bill. But it's, it's a, look, it's a mystery. It's a mystery. Why some people live and some people die and some people die young and some people get Parkinson's and some people don't.

I mean, it's just, you are always walking between the raindrops. I know, I know. You are always walking between the raindrops. I know. And all you can do is play the odds, you know. I look forward to these days so much, not just because I can talk to somebody like you, I normally wouldn't, and I'm there's such a good time doing it,

but because it's the one day I let myself have a drink. Oh, really? Just when you're doing the show? Basically, yeah. So it's like, I'm like Pavlov's dog now. Like, it's like, oh. Yeah. We need to do it.

You didn't do a club random. How many of them do you do a week? One. Just one a week. Just one. This is it. But if you start doing two, two drinks a week. Well, I might have two drinks during one taping, but that's it.

The only time I'm really, I didn't even think about it otherwise. You know, it's just not, whereas used to, you know, when I was, I don't know, even 40, even 50, you know, I would have, you know, probably at least a couple of dozen drinks a week, you know, because I would go out. When you go out, you drink. Right. Do you go out? You're married. I'm married, and I've never been to go-outer, and, you know, like, I'm like... Never?

Not, like, heavy duty. Like, you know, when I was younger, obviously, you know, 20s, 30s go out, but it wasn't, like, all the time. Like, it would be, like, if I did one night, maybe two nights a week, it'd be, that's, like, a lot. I just never, it's never been my thing. And what kind of a... Were you a guy who always wanted to, like, have a serious girlfriend? Or were you, like, a player? well when I was young I wanted to have a serious girlfriend

and then I was like oh shit like you know like but then also like you know no oh shit what like you know like once you have some pussy you want more like you know but but so it was and also like I grew up and it was kind of like the more the merrier like it was so much like a hip hop mentality it's like fuck bitches that's like the music was part of that. Like, growing up in New York, that was, like, part of, like, that. And also, you were a rising movie star. In my 20s, yeah.

You know, you were in movies, like, what's the one where blood is gurgling out of Tyra Banks's face? Oh, higher learning. And I still want to have sex with it. Yeah. Higher learning. Yeah. Higher learning. Yeah. She's dying with the, it's like, still hot. But I was, you know, when, when, when I was, like, in my 20s out here and, like, you know, getting famous, I sort of shunned away that thing, you know, and like actresses

and all that stuff. Like, I thought it was, like, I wanted to, like, I thought it was like, not cool to fuck around with actresses. And then now I regret it. But, you know, like, you think, like, oh, I could have been with this person, I could have been with that person, like, in my 20s. And even, you know, when they were telling me that this was Drew Barrymore's old house. I remember being at a party on this. property and I remember like it was one of those nights where I was just like

I don't know I thought I was like you know I was like it was kind of like I don't know I just kind of looked I didn't want to be like cliche like that now I'm like oh I would love to be cliche like that well I mean first of all dating actresses is cool

but like a lot of things that are cool it's just not worth it right I mean I know of course that's a sweeping statement and I'm sure there are many lovely, wonderful actresses who are not a pain in the ass. I'd never met any of them.

I mean, and it's not their fault. They're actresses. That's what they are. And therefore, first of all, they are often canceling because I got an audition tomorrow. And you don't want to get a relationship. She's in Spain shooting a movie.

Or she's in Spain shooting a movie with Timothy Chalamee. That's terrible. But the 90s, exactly. The 90s was an easier time to move around. Move around. With girls. What do you mean?

Like, if you were a player, you can't do that now. I can't imagine being a young... Why because of social media? Social media and cameras and phones. Like, you could skate around. Right. Like, you could skate around L.A. easily, and you could skate around New York easily. That's true.

You could skate around wherever you were on location easily. That's true. When I was in the 90s, you're right. When I was dating like a slew abroad at once, I only had to worry about... And, you know, I never lied to anybody, that no one was under the illusion that they were my girlfriend. So, like, but of course, you know, people get close. Of course. You get close and you just, what you mentally, intellectually know is not maybe what you feel. So all I would have to avoid was being literally seen at the same place.

With the other girl. With some other, yeah, another girl who I was dating. You're right. Now that would be almost impossible. Impossible. impossible because even if somebody else doesn't film them you might film yourself or they might film you know themselves or who the hell fucking knows or you know it could be a you know there's like detectives on the

internet you know you could take a selfie and like yo that's so-and-so's arm in the back and then like yeah that is he's got a a freckle on his hand they figure out everything oh you know I was once like at the beginning of a relationship but it was with an actress no and it was starting to become a real relationship, but it was still very new, and I was on the road, and I, you know, very often when I was on the road, I stopped doing that finally this year. What great timing, I mean that, because who would want to be out there with all the political violence and crazy people, and it was just time. But, you know, for years, and like, you know, the show ends at 10 o'clock.

What am I going to do? I'm not going to go to a bar. I wasn't drinking much anymore, and I don't want to be in a bar, really. I'm certainly not going to go to a club. I mean, it's too loud. I'm too old. Where am I going to go? I'm going to go to the strip club. Because it's a not from anything.

I never did anything weird in a strip club or I don't want to. It's just a chill atmosphere. Yes, I like naked women. Right. And they're not prejudiced ever against men who are older. Right. Which, as most of society is. Right. So, you know, I would go there.

Right. So, oh, why did I I even bring that up. Oh, because about the phones. Oh, yeah. So, like, I'm like... You can't go to the strip club now? Well, I'm just saying, I can, but I'm just saying this is many years ago. And I was at the beginning of this relationship, apropos to what you said about, you know, not being able to move around. And I was in, it went to after, like, I wasn't even thinking twice about it. And within 10 minutes after I walked into the trip club, she

texted me and said, you know, oh, I see. or so like it took 10 minutes for someone to drop a dime on me in some place public Twitter I guess at the time or whatever I would be horrified and like yeah so like to feel like you're that under surveillance I am not I've never been that kind of man who I'm I'm not a short leash man let's put it that way you know I don't know I like I said I don't know how they do it you know the athletes they have some sort of underground railroad no that's for real like the NBA dudes they have some

they have a system that they don't share you're right that works out I don't know how the fuck they do it I've heard some different things but I heard there is an actual underground railroad of the NBA NFL and they move around and like they're getting passed through and everybody's moving and grooving because

they're the only ones at and even they get caught up and shit but there's a system that they have in place that I don't know I used to let I used to date a date a girl. I dated a girl that why do you put quotes around date? Because I dated a girl

that was dating Michael Jordan. Oh. And she told me and I was just so curious. I think she was dating Michael Jordan. Well that's why I said quoting because I was dating her Yeah. You were dating her, she was fucking him. Yeah, well no, I was dating her too. I'm sure

you were, but I'm just saying. No, what I'm saying I was, but I was so curious like how do you get to the destination spot? Like, and she was like, you go in a hotel, and then you go down, and it was a whole, like, thing. Yeah, yeah. Because I was, like, fast, and that was in the 90s. Right.

Well, he was married. That's, I mean, part of that is that. You, you know, you're trying to keep this. Right. You know, that's part of it. But, yes. And I'm sure that wasn't the only girl that he was dating. Oh, I know for a fact.

I know for a fact it was not. The only girl that he was dating? No, I, I remember. A girl I knew, who I really was dating, somebody who was very, very dear to me, to this day, and at the time, you know, who she was offered to, and she was like, no, I know what that's going to be, because she was not that kind of girl. But she knew exactly, but they definitely were trying to get her to be in the company of Mr. Jordan. Yeah, I mean, he was a dog, let's be honest. Oh, man. I mean, but...

It's Michael Jordan. He's Michael Jordan, but it must have been, how did you feel going hard to the hole with someone who... I took it as a challenge. I was young. I took it as a challenge. I'm going to tell you something. Let's hope they weren't bling by Jordan rules because, you know, get that shit out of the lane. You come down the lane.

Well, I'm going to tell you something true. No layups. No layups. This young girl, this young lady at the time, this is... 30 years ago. She also dated Scotty Pippin. So I was like, wow. I mean, it's a beautiful, beautiful girl.

But she, and I was, I was very fascinated by the whole thing, because I was, this was when they were in their prime. Yeah. They were playing. And I was like, damn. Yeah, that's a, that's a flex for you. Yeah. So I took it as a, I took it as a,

you know, you wanted to show up. You wanted to, you want it to do your best? Boy, do you. You got to show up. You, you don't want to pay. pass on any weak shit there. No, no, no, no, no, no. But she's with the goat. A fucking goat. But dating Pippin

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But I was young. Did you ever go out with any... Famous, like Starlets, like anyone we would know, that would be like... Nah. That's when I think about, like, I think about, like, kind of situations that were sort of put in front of me. I thought it was, like, not cool to go out with some of these girls that I could have went out with. Same way. I could have gone out with some famous ladies, but I knew I couldn't be trusted to not go out with other ladies at the time.

So it's one thing to go out with, you know, this girl and then she sees you out it's another thing if you're out with somebody famous and then there's a picture of you with another girl because then that embarrasses the famous girl and I was like well I cannot put Nicole Kidman through this

no I'm kidding it was not Nicole Kidman we were that's a joke but yeah so I thought you know better you know the guy I always thought who did it right and he was like not like the other guys

in his league was George Clooney because other people like Brad Pitt he's with Jennifer Addison then he's with Angelina Jolie okay he likes he likes A-listers right on his level Clooney was always before he got married it was always like the ring girl

the waitress from Vegas like these are chicks I would go out and they were hot it's like because you know what when you're with somebody we don't really care what your credits are You know, we just care for having a good time. Exactly.

And, you know, a little humility, just, and a little, you know, just old-fashioned. Oh, we're just grooving. He was a great stickman in this time, Clooney. Brad Pitt never leaned into his stick man, his stickman prowess.

He could have... Pretty boys often don't. Leonardo's... Oh. He has a building in the Stickman Hall of Fame. That's true. But when you think about the great stickmen of all time, I mean, there are, Milton Burrow was, was, but Milton Burrow, but he had a big dick.

Apparently, it was a great coxman. You know who else is a great coxman? We'd go back to Stallone. You know, it was a great stick man? Burgess Merritton. Sylvester Stallone when I was doing Copeland. Come on, man. Burgess Meredith?

I guess, see, I only know him as an old man. He, he, I was asking him, because I'm a rocky guy. I was asking him every son. single thing about Rocky. And he gave me every answer I wanted. And I was asking about what was Burgess like? Because we would do lines. I would do Mickey lines. He would do Rocky lines. I would do Rocky lines. I would do Rocky lines. He would do Mickey lines. But I said, what was Burgess like? And he goes, you know he was a great stick man, right? And I said, huh? And he goes, Burgess Merritt was an incredible Coxman. And I was like, oh shit. And left it alone.

Stallone can write dialogue. He was right. Of course, obviously. History. shows to hold out for doing that part himself. But I'm sure one of the reasons why he had the confidence was he knew that to write dialogue, like when Mickey says, you got hot, you got hot. And he goes, yeah, I got hot, Mick, but I don't got no locker, do I? Because they'd thrown him out of the gym. You don't got to tell me? That is.

What about my prime, Mick? That's great, right. That's great writing. Great writing. I got heart, but I don't know a lock. Yeah. You know, so, yeah. No, I'd love, boy, I'd love to get him here.

Oh. Do you know him? Talk to him. You could get him. I try. No, you could get him. I try. He's talking now that he's older, and, you know, and he's not like, that would be great. And ask him, say, Michael Rapporteur.

And I'm not, see, the problem is people think I want to talk about politics here. I don't. I want to talk about everything but. That's why I do this. I already have a show about politics. When Salon comes, ask him about Burgess, Meredith being a coxman. That's what I want to talk about.

That's the only thing you need to talk about. He told me Burgess Meredith was a great stick man. I just want to have another reason to use the word stick man. It's a great word. Which I've never used and never heard, but of course I love immediately. And in the context of Burgess Meredith, I was like, whoa. Yeah, I don't remember Burgess Meredith this early career. Like a lot of people who I only came to know as actors when I was a kid and they were old,

and then you'd find out, oh wow, Fred McMurray. well. Fred McMurray had a career in movies. I thought he was my three sons got I didn't know. Ernest Borgnine was in movies before McCale's name. Right. And then you'd see them at some point later in your life and you go, oh, I see it. At some point, they were like the hot Fred Bing Murray was the star of double indemnity.

Right. You know, he wasn't always, you know, sweater guy. That's how he got to be the sweater guy. Those 50s sitcoms, which I was too young to watch when they were really on, but I would see in reruns when I was a kid and you were sick from school, what they showed in the day were black and white reruns. That's what I watched when I was sick, and I loved it. I loved being sick. You'd be in bed all day.

Eat as many cough drops as you wanted, which are like sugar, can't? Yeah, yeah, they're like gummy bears. They're like gummy bears and like the things we did with our kids and we thought, oh, give him a lot of sugar when he's sick. The worst thing you could possibly do was have me just eating boxes and boxes of fucking cough drops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, we learn, we grow.

But the shows that I would watch, and it started like at 9 in the morning and did not stop until like 4 in the afternoon when the game shows came on. And it was just like the old Annie Griffith show. I hated those black and white shows as a kid. I loved them when I was sick. Leave it to Beaver and my three sons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, I mean, the world that they depicted, first of all, completely white. And if it was, somebody came in, it was like a burglar or a stuttering. Or the cop. Or a housekeeper or something. With one line.

Yeah. It's just, it's amazing. It is crazy. But it's always amazing how bad everything was before it wasn't terrible. I was just watching this movie. It's really good. It's in French with Johnny Depp speaking in French. He plays King Louis and it's about this mistress and so forth. And it's just like, you know, the people are starving and he's giving her these diamond necklaces and he lives in this

giant palace. And it's like for centuries and centuries, we just let one person, we just said you're king and you can get away with all this shit and it's only because people allow another person to do it right and somehow this apparatus builds up around it and keeps it alive and it goes on for centuries that one guy can act like the world's biggest asshole yeah and it's got a whole support system of accord and the people put up with it yeah yeah And it took like a millennium or more before the, you know, American Revolution. It's crazy. It's crazy what people will put themselves through.

Yep. And put up with. Yeah, it's crazy. It is. You know who I want to find? Remember the woman when Trump won the first time? She was like, no. No, it was like an iconic shoe with their glasses.

If Mondami wins, I'm going to remake that video in New York. That's funny. because that's how I'll feel. I'll feel like that bad. What will you say if he gets into office and says, look, the Palestinian thing is being settled.

I'm now the mayor of New York. I don't want to talk about that anymore. So if you ask me any questions about Palestine, I'm the mayor of New York. I have feelings about it. I have opinions. Great. They're right.

You shouldn't talk about it. Wouldn't that be a great thing to say? Yeah. And then say, I got elected not because of what I think about Palestine. I got elected, although some of the useful idiots, of course, love him for it. I got elected because this city is not affordable. And then what if he, and of course everyone saying a lot of what he's proposing is impossible. Yeah.

Which if I was a betting person, I would bet on that opinion. Yeah. It's not really going to work to have grocery services. stores that are government-run and free buses and frees on housing rents because capitalism, as bad as it is, over

and over again, we learn the same lesson. It's the worst system except for all the others. That would be my guess. What if he has success? What would you say? I'd say fantastic. Oh, good. Yeah, I'm not like one of these people that, like,

especially at this point in my life, you know, like, if he did, I want people to feel safe in New York City. You know, I want my wife to feel safe. My wife is a tough broad. She doesn't feel safe in Midtown Manhattan during the day. Really?

Yeah. And my wife... Really? You're like going out for lunch? I'm not saying she's like fucking shaking in her boots but my wife in the last two or three years has been groped in Times Square

has had a fucking shirt. thrown at her has been called the N-word and got proposed to on the train by a homeless person all between 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. and when my wife got touched in the middle of the day coming out of a play I'm not happy with that and it was like a like a homeless person like I don't care that you're homeless don't touch my fucking wife you know what I mean and I like it bothered me so deeply that this happened to her and that she's got a shoe throw out shoe thrown at her why a shoe no because it's a crazy person just crazy crazy but but but when you touch my wife and my wife is violated i get to thinking i'm sorry that you're

mentally ill i'm sorry that whatever you're on and wherever it got you to this place but you're touching my wife at 3 p.m on 47th and 6th i want this point person, put the fuck away forever. Period. And there's other women in New York City that also feel uncomfortable and unsafe. And we're not talking about in the boroughs. I'm talking about in midtown Manhattan and downtown Manhattan. It's not cool for women to feel uncomfortable during the daytime in the greatest city on earth. It's also not cool that under any circumstances, you could touch a police officer, not be from this country, come out the next and walk out of the court

like fucking Tupac like those guys did when they jumped you know like fucking giving the middle finger to photographers like if you touch a policeman and you're not from the country buy get the fuck out of here

like you know like and I'm not one of these people I know the police are not perfect but if you touch a policeman you should be in prison period and you shouldn't be able to walk out of jail going fuck you know like

fuck you fuck you fuck and this shit's been going on in New York City. But this thing with women not feeling comfortable in Manhattan during the day not down with that shit. It really deeply bother me that that happened to my wife. And like I said, she's not some laissez-faire

you know, like head in the... She looks she looks out for me more in the street. So like I was like nope, nope, nope, nope. And I'm comfortable saying put him under the fucking jail and he should never come out. Because God forbid he comes out and does something worse. All right. First of all, it's

policeman, not police, not police man. What did I say? Because we're not five. Oh, that's policeman. Yes, I agree. I mean, I, I'm not, I, I'm not arguing with the basics of anything you've said. I love it. I mean, I mean, I, you know, go away forever. No, I mean, we still have to follow rational laws. Yeah. Put them away forever. I don't want to. you want you because like the guy in North Carolina who stabbed the girl and he's been in and out of jail for 14 times. Not forever. That guy, 14 times stabbing, yes. I guarantee you the guy who touched my wife has been in jail

at least five or six times. Well, if he has, that's a different story. But groping is not going away forever. Going away forever is like, you know, murder. Okay. I don't want to mean my city touching people. And what you're expressing is something that, People feel that transcends party, I think, and politics. It's very hard for, you know, old school Democrats, liberals to, if they have the same feeling, still go to Trump because so much of what he does also bothers us on a very visceral level.

So I understand that. But, I mean, your feelings are all completely legitimate. My question to you is, if this guy bothered you so much, why don't you take care of it? I wasn't there. What am I supposed to do? Go find this guy. It's certainly what Bob Odenkirk would do. Okay. It's certainly what Charles Bronson used to do. I mean, find this fucking guy and take care of it, tough guy. If it bothers you so much that your wife got violated.

No, I'm kidding. No, I know. I know. It's, it's just, you know, like, I never. the subway is the subway New York City subway system I grew up on New York City subway system I grew up taking the subway you gotta pay attention it's not Disneyland

it's not it's not the you know the Central Park Zoo but people like you shouldn't it shouldn't be a thrill like it shouldn't be a house of horrors it shouldn't be where like fucking right no it shouldn't and we're talking during the day

I don't know what's going on at night I mean during the day it should be it shouldn't be a house of horrors If there's one theme, I would think, and again, I don't really want to talk about politics too much, but of the Trump administration, especially this time, it's that on many issues, he has the right idea about straightening something out, that some, put it a different way, he has the right idea that something in this country needs straightening out. And I would put in that category, and I could mention lots of things, but let's just say a few, the board. obviously was out of control. Elite universities were out of control with their ideological capture by just one side and okay.

And crime and like feeling safe in cities. How he has handled this I have lots of issues with. And that is important because a liberal democracy has to handle things in a certain way that keeps them a liberal democracy. I agree. And he does not seem to understand does not seem to understand that part of the equation.

But he's not wrong about identifying these areas. And since the population really doesn't have mostly, I think, the educational background, because we stopped educating people to understand that nuance between the way a liberal democracy is supposed to handle things, they're just going to be happy that he's handling them at all. And they, yes, they are a primal scream as he's. your screed was. I fully feel your passion. It is so legitimate. It is so honest. It's not, there's no maudlin in your, in your rant. You know, you never, I listened to that whole thing, and I never got one moment of falseness out of it. Like you were like, you know, there are certain

people, and I want to mention names. Like, they love to, like, get out there on their soapbox and talk about the things that are, he's doing that are so terrible. And it's like, you know what? Life didn't just happen to you. And by the way, all these horrible things aren't happening to you personally. No, they didn't happen to you. So you look a little phony doing that, but you don't.

You don't look phony at all. You look, this is exactly how pissed off you are for a very good reason. But what happened to the person who closes to you. You know, this is exactly how pissed off you are. There's no, I don't feel like you're padding it with any theatrics.

I feel like that's exactly it. That's, and that's why people like listening, to you. Well, thank you. I just started, you know, I'm not a, you know, it's funny because I was thinking about like when I came on politically incorrect and, you know, and I remember you would, you would sort of egg me on and you were the proofs would be like, you know, she's this and I didn't really kind of know. We would talk about more social themes. It wasn't deep diving politics. Some nights it was. For me, when I was on, it wasn't. Like, you know, like I would think. Well, we had the purpose of the show, it was a, it was a design train race.

to have all sorts of people, people who have no idea what's going on, and the expert who does, and it was funny. Yes. But, like, you know, I've been so educated in politics and educated in the history of specifically the Middle East, and my opinions are new. A lot of this stuff is new to me.

and there's so many great scholars and great thinkers and great talkers that I'm inspired by and there's so many great you know they pontificate and they oh that was a great thing I don't try to do that I try to just right no you like you know but I leave it for them I don't try to outsmart or anything that's something no you're you're working a different side of the street

that's valid yeah and and it's genuine to me and you know that stuff in New York and you know when I asked other women about the comfort level and they said no I'm like, this is not okay. And Meera, and Zora on the Moran isn't our mayor yet. And I know it's gotten better, but it should, it needs to continue to get better. And when he starts talking about, you know.

Well, it'll get worse under him because the cops. Exactly. I mean, he said terrible things about the cops. Exactly. And some of them are going to quit right off the bat. Yep. And some of them are good. I mean, you know, the cop, look, I have been very honest about my cop opinions.

I've been tough on them and I thought they deserved it. I also think it's a tough job that you can't live without them. So you're just going to have to get kind of real about the fact that it's never going to be perfect. Having said that, yes, they shouldn't be racist. But I don't think that, you know, first of all, there's a lot of black cops. Second of all, some of the racist incidents happened from black cops. So I think it's a deeper problem with the police. culture not that racism isn't still part of the equation but in general you know you do

need the cops because civilization is a mile wide and an inch thick and you you lift off that just very top veneer and people are animals straight up if you don't keep the shit to shoe level it goes sideways real fast yeah real fast and he's talking about loosening these laws and I'm not down with that shit if they're not and the thing about the cops Again, I love them, and they do a job that, thank God, they're doing, but they are very sensitive. Like, when they get their feelings hurt, and I get it, you know, you're out there and you sacrifice two marriages now because this job was what it was, and, you know, you come home and, you know, you need three drinks because it was a little nerve-wracking at times and whatever it was. And you saw, you see the dregs of life every day. You see the worst people.

You don't see the best people. No. Nobody ever calls you to their porch to tell you how good the marriage is going. And it's day after day, after day, after day, after day. So they get a little pissed off when we don't appreciate it. I totally get that. But when they do, you know, the blue flu, whatever they want to call it. Like, if you're going to incentivize them to not quite give,

100% shit, okay, 100% of a shit, yeah, you're not going to like it. Nope. You know, you really, you really are going to like a world where the police feel appreciated better. Yeah. Because protection is government's first priority. And everybody wants to feel safe. There's no race, creed, color, people that don't want to feel safe. You could be in Williamsburg with your scribble, scrabble tattoos, and your fucking

Kaffa scarf. If something happens to you, you're running right to the police that you're protesting. Mankind wasn't born with government. Government was invented. Why? As a trade-off for security, that's the primary and first job of government. It is why people gave up rights. gave up sovereignty.

It is why serfs worked the land so that when the barbarians came, they could get behind the castle walls. That was the trade-off. Now, government has expanded, and it should have expanded. It has expanded too much. But that's the basic thing.

And if they can't do job one, making you feel safe, then they're useless. So, you know, maybe he'll... I don't think this fucking guy, I think that one thing. He's not going to do that. I believe what these people say. I believe what he says.

I've learned to not think these things are far-fetched. When somebody says something, you have to take him at face value. And he's not crazy. He's not nuts. He's very clear on what he wants to do. And he's very fucking smiley when he's doing all any of it. It's all smiles. He's an EPO baby.

Yeah. He's a rich kid. Mama's boy. Okay. Father's a professor. Mother's successful film director, I know his mother, Miranair. You know his mother? Yeah.

Yeah. You worked with her? No, but I've met her. I met her film festivals. Couldn't be sweeter. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not a crime to be the child of well-to-do parents.

It's a little weird if you have well-to-do parents and you're living in a rent-stabilized apartment in Queens. That's weird. That's weird. If you're doing that, especially when you're so for the people, he's living in a rent-stabilized apartment. I'm not against anyone having a different way of life. I'm just against someone coming to places where we have this different way of life and then trying to turn it into this other way of life that you brought with you, I thought, to get away from that.

I mean, that's what's going on in Britain right now. I don't know if you know what's going on in the U.K. But the U.K. is undergoing something quite extraordinary, which is, you know, a sort of a cultural revolution where, practices which we thought in the Western world were not to be tolerated are because they don't want to have civic unrest between a large Muslim population that not like this country really very often did not assimilate. Yep. And in the name of like every multiculturalism and stuff like that, the left in Britain

is kind of standing up for, for example, there's now a law about, well, it's okay to marry your cousin. Okay, it's different. I'll give it that. But, you know, there are cities in Britain that, you know, I know Andrew Sullivan said last week, my grandparents wouldn't recognize right as the city they grew up in right i mean it's one thing to have immigration we all are for

immigration and we need it but the idea of immigrants used to be melting pot we're we're here and we're going to help we're going to melt in you know where we're here to to be like you that's why we came here we we like this thing you're doing that's not always the attitude of today's immigrants no no i know and that's had a knock on immigrant And I would say among the people who, like, that is not a problem with, as we know well in here in California, is our lovely Mexican immigrants. They're perfect immigrants. They do want to melt in. We do have a lot of the same values.

You know, we're Christian, they're Christian. Not that it's all about Christianity, but cultures are different. But, I mean, they are the perfect immigrants. I mean, there's no, we haven't treated them all that well. and yet there's no seething, you don't sense, you know, any seethingness. Yeah. And they slowly are, just like every other immigrant did my Irish ancestors, the Italians, the Jews, like everybody, slowly making their way through, you know, everybody goes through it. First, you do the lower-level jobs.

Now you're the plumbers and the constructors, and then you're going to be the governor. You know? I mean, that's the godfather. I thought it was your time. Right. It'll be Senator calling on me. A governor. That's my life, and I don't apologize.

And I refuse to dance on the end of strings held by big shots. Right? Marlin. That's good fucking Marlon right there. But that's the thing. That was the Italian thing. Like, I'm a gangster because I had to be.

Right. But you're going to be a senator. Right. When your time comes, it's going to be different. Right. Because you volunteered when the war came. Right. That made Sonny very mad.

Right. You don't risk your blood for your country. Only risk it for your family. That's pop talking. Right. Which it was. That was that generation. Right.

But he's the new generation. Right. I'm not going to be in the mafia. Right. Well, that didn't work out so well. No. No. Because once they got you, once you try to get out, they pull you back in.

What do you think of Godfather 3? Not a necessary movie? Not a necessary movie. Just an entertaining one, right? Just entertaining. The great Sophia Coppola who turned out to be a great director and that whole thing, you know, there were a couple of moments in the film. Once you get out, they pull you back in and the Andy Garcia. Love that.

But it was a tough. It was very disappointing. I went day one, screening one. I remember it came out on Christmas. And I've watched it a couple of times since, and it still didn't age well. It's not, I'm not happy with it. Well, I can't concur with that exactly. It's not a necessary movie because the cycle of Michael Corleone is completed at the end of two.

He kills his brother. Spoiler alert. Ha ha ha ha ha. Right? That's the full arc. Yeah. From the guy who says at the beginning, that's not my. That's not me, K. That's my family. Speaking of Diane Keith, right? That's not me, Kay. That's my family. I don't do things like that. That's my father who said that to that band leader. All the way to, I will kill my own brother. That cycle is done. This is just a money grab. And I think they both admitted it. And Pacino, too. I think they just knew. And so I went in with no expectations. It's not necessary. It's just to enter.

entertain me and Andy Garcia was awesome as the bastard son and that whole thing and Joe Montenia yeah you know Joey's a Joey saza you know it's just fun yeah it's stupid because the idea that that Michael Corleone of all people would like get back with Kay who awarded his child yes you know don't you know that that is an impossibility that I could never let that happen? Oh, Michael, you're so blind. You know... You get Al on here?

He won't do it. Al Pacino will do it. He's doing press? He's doing things. I think you could get him. Oh, I know I can't. Would you have a thing with him? Yes.

No, no, no. No beef. I just know him quite well. Really? Yeah. But he does interviews now. Not this one. All right.

I feel like there's something behind that. if trust me no no no no he just you know people people out there it reminds me of the way my mother wouldn't smoke pot at the end you know it would have solved all of her problems she when she was a widow she needed to laugh more she needed to put on weight she needed new friends pot and i couldn't get it because she just wasn't of that generation and there's something that just alpuccino is just like this is just i don't know maybe it's the pod or i don't know but it's just just like there is a barrier there that I know for a fact I can't get... Because he loves talking about acting so much. And, you know, he'll talk about, you know, unlike De Niro, who hates talking about acting, hates it. Him I could probably get here. He did real time. He'll talk about politics, but if he started asking him out... And he wants to talk about politics, yeah.

He'll talk about politics, which is amazing because he wouldn't speak for 40 years. and Trump inspired him to speak, but it's only about that. If you talked about Raging Bulls, you know, I don't talk about Goodfellas. No, no, I know, I know. I know. And everybody's tried.

Right. It's just, it's important. It's just, I don't know, forever, get that interview about that process. He was good on real time, but, you know, that's 12 minutes. Yes. This, I mean, I would love to get him here because I could crack a nut open. About acting.

About anything. The acting is a thing. That's the thing we want to hear him talk about. He talked about his father. You see the documentary he did about his father? Very vulnerable, very open. His father was a painter. And he's talked about politics.

And he's talked more about, you know, obviously he lost his son. And he talked about that in a very, he talks about New York. But as an actor, we've never gotten him to really talk about his process as an actor. And his process as an actor inspired all of us.

Well, all. All of us. Really? He invented, he changed the game. I think Marlon Brando changed the game. Marlon Brando, to me, is Dr. Jay, and then Robert DeNio's Michael Jordan. So he took what Dr. Jay's sick, Dr. Jay changed a game. But when Michael Jordan took what Dr. Jay did and everybody else, like, Raging Bulls before, like, there's like.

What is that in a woman's term? Is that Elizabeth Taylor? is that Marilyn Monroe You know And then Jennifer Lopez changed the ass

There we go There we go There we go There's before J-Lo You're right And there's after J-Lo Okay She brought

The fat ass And I say this We'll all do respect To the mainstream Yes She changed the game She inspired an entire Now it's out of control

Yes she lived in a world Between black and white And she right that's why it was possible she was like I'm not really a black girl so you don't have to be like what's going on with me now but I'm not really a white girl

she's a Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx which is a whole other thing it was very quick that that changeover happened where asses when I was a kid a big ass was the worst thing you did the last thing you wanted to have does these pants make my ass look fat

that's what no woman changed the whole game And then it was like, these pants better make my ass look like that. And I never went along with it because, you know, you dance with who you're brung. Yeah. And, like, I just know how I was raised, what I like. Like, I never liked it when it became the look in a strip club to have, like, fat people. No, not fat people, fat ass is a different thing.

J-Lo. You're right. That is true. You know this, Bill. I do know this. You know this. I'm just saying some people ignore that rule. Yes. Well, now, that's what I'm saying. Now it's gone, and now you've got the BBLs and all that stuff. But back to De Niro, he took what Marlon Brando was doing. He took what Paul Newman was doing. He took what James Dean was doing. He took it to another level with De Niro. He's a great actor. I'm a huge fan. I mean, I'm to sell me on Robert De Niro. But...

He's talking about acting, though. Yeah, and why would he? First of all, why would he give away his trade secrets? I wouldn't. That's one. And two, it's boring to talk. talk about it. He's right. It is. I don't think so. Because some great actors, when they talk about it, it's fascinating. To you. Because you're an actor. But like, if you hear, like, there's some of them that love talking about it. Like what? Let me see. Like, what would it be interesting

to know about how they... Like, when Al Pacino talks about acting. Okay. Give me one thing. Oh, he's, just... It's like a great... It's like a musician, like the Billy Joel documentary. You saw that? I interviewed him. Okay. On this show. So when he's talking about how he came up with New York State of Mind,

right and he's talking about on the like when you get that certain actors talk about it like bernicel del Toro's great at talking about acting Sean Penn doesn't not great talk about acting but I'm talking about the process it's like if you talk about Tom Brady reading defenses even if you're not a football fan you can appreciate me so yeah yeah yeah for the one of the people that did it at the highest level for him to talk to break down the process I think it's relatable even if you're not an actor yeah that's true I mean I feel like that's more Apropos in music, as you say, like we all want to know what what inspired that song and you know certainly with the Billy Joel one. I remember talking to him a lot about the fact that seeing the documentary put color on what formerly was a black and white drawing and now I know that oh that was because that was what this was going on in your life right and that's why you wrote Stop in Nevada right because you were stopping and in Nevada and you were with the wife and blah, blah, blah. That

is interesting to me as a music fan. I don't know if that... When Stallone was doing it in the Stallone documentary about Rocky, talking about Rocky, he was talking about what about my prime Mick? At least you had a prime. And he said they did it in one take. And he's talking about everything that was going on with my father

and is like, what about me, dad? What would think about it? And when you hear him talk about it 50 years later, it's like, oh shit. Right. Because, you know, acting when you're in front of a camera, you're doing take seven, eight, nine, ten. And you might do that one take that is the take that makes it. And for me as an actor, like, I know the things that get me there or the things that don't get me there. And when you talk about somebody like, De Niro that's had so many

iconic moments, like people are fascinated with you talking to me, you're talking to me, and they've talked about that story. Scorsese's talked about that story. But De Niro, there's been so many of them, I would love to have access to just those questions and be like, do you remember this specific moment and ba-b-b-b-b-b-p-pah because he's given us so much on-screen. Do you, when you are doing a scene, do you have a good feeling which take they're going to use because you felt like, oh, that was the one. And if they don't use that one, I will be disappointed. Now I do. Now I do. When you're younger, you know, you don't even think you have the confidence to say anything or talk about it or, you know, when I was younger,

you know, you're just kind of just doing it, but, you know, sometimes when I'm acting now, you know, that was a good one. You could say it, you know it, you know, it's like, it's like you have to, you have a better understanding. And what they do in the editing room, you know, that's, I mean, unless you're like the big guys, you could go in there, be like, no, this take is this, if you have access to, like, I'm sure. Very few do.

Well, like the meat and potato guy, like the Niro and Scorsese, you know, he won't even need to because he trusts him. Correct. But I'm sure DiCaprio, well, he's with the best of the best director, so you don't need to, Quentin Tarantino knows the best thing. Yeah, director, I don't care who the star is. The director does not want the actor in the editing room looking over their shoulder. That doesn't happen. I don't care who the fucking actor is. And Quinn Tarantino doesn't need that.

Woody Allen doesn't need that? Scorsese doesn't need that. It's a director's medium. You either trust them or you don't. And when you sign on, you do. Yeah. That's their canvas. Yes, 100%.

They're going to do it as they see fit. You have no say in it. And top tier guys, they... All you can do is hope they use the take you think is the good take. Yeah. And they may not. Or they may cut the whole scene. Yeah.

Or they may keep it on. They may have you hear you and the cameras on the other actor. Yeah. You know, there's just, you're, you are throwing fortune to the win. Yeah. But those top tier guys that those people work with all the time and only, of course. There's no experimenting with like some. No.

So you could give them everything and they're going to use the best shit anyway. But they need to stop because I got to say that last, and I'm a huge Scorsese fan. I know, I know, I know. I know what you're going to go? Where? The Irishman? No, no, no. I like that, but it was too long.

But no, the last one, the last one, the, we're killing Indians too much. Yes. I mean, that wasn't the exact title, but that was the gist of it. We're killing to. AKA, we're killing Indians. We're killing Indians a lot out here in the wherever. And like DiCaprio is playing a guy who comes home from the war. He's 50.

What was he, a general? Yeah. You know, coming on from the war. Yeah. You know, it's like, okay, you got to let it go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess it's Chalomey, it's easy to work with, at least a hundred. Yeah.

You know, but, I mean, DiCaprio replaced an hero. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's a young man's game. Yeah. You know, or at least for those kind of roles. The Irishman killed me.

Oh, because they de-age them. Yeah. It killed me. Their face looked young, but they still moved like the cryptic. It was crazy. crazy. The faces look crazy. And we know what De Niro looked like when he was 30. He don't look like this.

He don't look CGIed. You know, like, we know the dimple. We know the face. We know what Joe Pesci. You should get Joe on this fucking show. I love Joe on. Holy shit. Yeah. I love Joe Pesci. He's never given a...

He gave one... He seems like he's very shy. I've met him. He seemed very shy. Really nice, but like shy. And not at all the guy who's... to stabs you in the neck with a pen. But I think if you talked about acting, I think, and golf and shit like that, but acting, I think, you know,

because his career, I mean, Joe Pesci had a... Such a scary guy. In the movies. In movies. Like, it's amazing the way a guy who's what all of, like, 5'5 could be that scary on screen. And he is like, you really think he's going to stab you in the neck. A hundred percent, in real life. The impression is so...

It's amazing. Yeah. He's kind of shy. He never kind of got his due because he kind of played the same I mean in casino he's the same guy he was in A lethal weapon two?

What's the one? Home Alone. Yeah, he I, yeah. He's Joe is the fucking man. He's another one. Yeah.

I love him. Love him. Well, I'm going to have you connect me. With Joe. To all these people. You're the connector. Come on, man.

Joe, yeah, Joe would be, Joe would be sick. You get Joe and Bob. Come on, man, let's fucking build this shit out. We get two seats here. Joe and fucking Bob. Get Joe Bob and Al. But it was great to see you. It's great to see you.

I appreciate you having me. Say hi to Mark and Joanne. I will, of course. Do you talk to them all the time? Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And how often are you out here? You know, I moved back to New York full time.

I know you know. Believe me, we know you're in New York. We know that.