Club Random with Bill Maher - Odell Beckham Jr. | Club Random

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Bill Maher sits down with Odell Beckham Jr. for a wide-ranging conversation on everything from his iconic Giants catch to navigating injuries and the intensity of being in the spotlight. Odell opens up about the coaches and quarterbacks he respects, teases a possible return to the field, and reflects on the values of humility, fatherhood, teamwork, and playing the hand you’re dealt. No scripts, no filters – just two guys talking life, legacy, and everything in between. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: https://billmaher.substack.com Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Support our Advertisers: -Go to ⁠https://www.zbiotics.com/RANDOM⁠ and use RANDOM at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics -Get 50% off plus FREE shipping on your first box at https://www.factormeals.com/random50off and use code random50off Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it.  For advertising opportunities please email: [e-mail] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion in “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Odell here? Nope, not here. Beckham? Yes, sir? Reporting is ordered? How areham? Yes, sir. Reporting is ordered. How are you? Excuse my laugh, to have a sports injury, which I'm sure you're familiar with. No, I've never had any of those.

You had worse. Although this, you wouldn't want this. This is called a mallet finger. Yeah. Happens in basketball. That's how I got it. The ball hits, you know, like straight on. And then it's like the guy, I saw the doctor, he said, you'd be much better if

you had broken the bone because it's the tendon. Yeah. Or a malafing. I had a bout near the forearm. Boom. Hit it just like this. And they told me, keep it in the sling. It'll be straight.

And was it? Yeah. I tried to keep it in the sling. And you're the one-hand catch guy of all the people. A few of them, yeah. I gotta tell you, lifelong New York giant fan. Yes sir. I mean, literally learned it on my father's knee.

He was a fan from like the inception of the team in the 20s. My father, you know, he was a kid. So like, I took him to the Superball here in 86 when they played the Broncos, when I couldn't even afford it, but it was important. So like, your years with the Giants, thank you. Yeah. For great memories, because that's my team.

Definitely. And you know. Me too, shit. It was just like, it's crazy because it was a different time and age at the time and just, I'll never forget where I came from and then going to New York and how thick of skin I already had and how thick of skin, how much thicker of skin I grew.

Because of New York? Man, but I love New York forever for the rest of my life. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, you've been with a few teams since then. It's got to be tough when you start in New York, because you're kind of, you know, it's, yeah, right. I mean, where you look.

And wherever else you're going, it's never gonna be there. Look, I grew up outside of New York, and that's why they're still my teams. Yeah. You know, I was a part-met owner for a while. I mean, I'm all in on New York, but I've lived here for 40 years. I never really liked living in New York.

Yeah. But I get it that it's the Mecca. If we're being honest, New York is, you know what I mean? It's like, you can't, it's New York, like, respect to New York. Right. Love L.A. is a different vibe.

Yeah, but it's New York, bro, like, and it's so funny, because when I was there, it was always like, I had just started kind of going out to L.A. and I had never been to California or whatever, and it was like, man, to be like, the L.A. would be something, but like, to be the king in New York or to be, you know,

the legend in New York, it's completely different. And you were. I remember Chris Collinsworth, like, coming in his pants when you made that catch. I mean, the sperm almost came through the TV. It's like, shut the fuck up. I mean, you know, I mean, the sperm almost came through the TV. It's like, shut the fuck up. I mean, you know, I mean, certainly. I didn't have anything to do with that. I didn't feel that, see that, nothing.

Just saying, it is funny to me the way sportscasters, you know, sports, the sport that's like super macho and there's nothing gay about it. And yet, that kind of gay the way, I mean, they just go gay for the players that they love. And, you know, I mean, look in the stands, you're wearing another man's shirt. Yeah. Nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying it's not quite the macho image that they think.

But there's been a gay player now. Didn't somebody come out in recent years, a football player? There's a few, but it's like, you know what? I mean, the world is open, like, be who you are. Personally, I feel like this. Every man has to look at himself in the mirror, every woman has to look at himself in the mirror,

and be comfortable with themselves. And I am who I am. It's something I gotta live by. If that's you, that's you. And it's just like, I know that makes it difficult, and it's, especially in the sport of football, it's kind of like, it's a tough cookie for people to like, you know what I mean, get with, but.

There's something about sports. I mean, obviously it's just a bro thing and a guy thing and there's still a lot of, I'm sure, Neanderthals and good old boys and also Christians. You know, that's a big thing, especially in the black community. I mean, you know, there's a lot of, you know, boy. Ineligible man downfield. You don't want an eligible man downfield.

Brother, everybody, listen, free world we live in. I feel like at the end of the day, what else are we looking for in this lifetime but to fulfill ourselves and be happy? Are you? Me? Yeah. Oh, man. and be happy. Are you? Me? Yeah. Oh man, I'm happy. You say it like, throwing the glove down.

Yeah, I'm glad you are. I'm, you know, and I'm still working on things. Why, what makes you happy these days? No, you're not with a team. Not with a team right now. So you don't care. Or you do? I care a lot. You do. I've worked. You still got stuff in the tank. I got with a team right now. So you don't care. Or you do? I care a lot.

You do? I've worked too. You've still got stuff in the tank. I've got shit that I gotta prove. You can still get open. I promise you that. And I got, you know, I like to stay under the radar right now because I'm like, I'm trying to figure out my own life.

It's like life hits at different times and it's like real shit happens. And like for me having my son, like just imagine you get to the pinnacle of your dream, Super Bowl, I'm telling you the game plan that McVeigh had drawn up and me, Coop, Stafford, everybody. Where's your ring? Well I have to wear it, we know about it. You know?

That's a great fucking attitude. That's great. That's like, you ever read the Art of War? He says, you know, keep the sword right behind you, but if you ever have to touch it, you've already lost. Come on, it's right there. That's right there. And it's just like, it just like, and obviously that's a touchy subject for me because it's

bittersweet. It's like, I went and joined that team. Yeah, and you made that great fucking catch and then got hurt, right? Yeah. It wasn't just that, it was the whole playoffs. It was the energy in the building. People don't know the whole dynamic

of how Fawn Miller jailing, like the whole locker room. Like it was a, like that brotherhood thing is real. Like when you have guys who are really rocking with each other, and I came to a great team, and I'll never forget, I came to that team, and funny story, Robert Woods, I'm walking on the practice field, I watched it. They were practicing hard, I was like,

damn, they're practicing hard. Robert Woods. Robert Woods. Who was that again? He was in LA. No, like, damn, they're practicing hard. Robert Woods. Robert Woods. Who was that again? He was in LA. No, remind me who, what position? Receiver. Robert Woods, okay.

So he played alongside you as receiver. He was in LA, towards ACL. The day I was walking on the field, major part of their offense, went to Houston. He's done, he's had a great career. And it was like, they were practicing hard and it was just like the competitiveness. I'll never forget two days, me signing,

me having an ACL where like, people didn't even know. It took me like 24 hours to sign the deal because Dr. Eltrase came in, he was like, yeah, we have to let you know that you don't have ACL, you didn't write, blah, blah, blah. He's like, we can redo your surgery or you can play with it. And I was like, I'm going to die on the sword. I've come too far.

I've been through too much. And you may not ever get there again. I'm ready to go. This is when I was just leaving the Cleveland situation that happened. But anyway, signed over there. And I'll never forget, like week after week, Dr. El-Jar-Sin's like, that is my family now. McFaith, the whole family.

Did he do the one who did Aaron Rodgers too? I don't know. But he's, Dr. El-Jar-Sin's the man. He's the man. Shout out to Doc. Right. because he really is the man. He's a good dude, good family, beautiful family. So he fixed your foot? My knee. Your knee? My foot was in New York. That's another story.

Well, you got to bring your foot when you get traded. You can't leave your foot in New York. I mean, come on, you got to bring your foot when you get traded. You can't leave your foot in New York. I mean, come on, you're an athlete. The foot is what started everything, and it's so crazy that people really don't even know this. Stories like my doctor, Dave Hancock, I'll never forget this. He was like, mate, this is the type of injury

that will ruin people's careers. I've seen it happen multiple times. He's worked with multiple sports teams, Chelsea, the whoevers all over, and Europe. He's a soccer player, and he's like, what you're having done, like grade two high ankle sprain, what it could turn into is really bad. And I came back three or four weeks too early.

I'll never forget, I had to sit out the first week of Dallas, at Dallas, and Dallas beat us and it was a division game. I was feeling all the pressure and I was like, I got to come back for my team. We had week two against the Lions and it was a Monday night game and it was like, I know I'm not really ready, but I can't see us going on too and starting off in a bad way. Like, I gotta try and find a way to get back for my team. I never understand how athletes can play

when they're not at 100% because the nature of elite athletes and professional sports, the reason why we watch them is because, I mean, everybody on the field, like when they were in grade school, high school, they were like way, way, way above all the other kids as far as how good they were. I'm sure you were too.

And then they get to college, and if you can still be like elite, but even a lot of great college players go to the pros. I've seen enough episodes of hard knocks to know the coach is like, it's just faster up here. Everything is just faster. And this guy was great in college, and we cut him in three days.

So, considering that you have to be on that much of a razor's edge level, just to be that much above, better than the guy you're playing against. I don't know how you can do it when you're nursing an injury. It's just, it's like the heart. It's like the heart of who you are. And for me, God had already blessed me with the parents that I have. Like, I come from, dad was an all world running back,

supposed to back up Barry Sanders, went instead of staying in Texas, decided to go to SU. My mom was all-world, track and field, went to the 92 Barcelona Olympics, pregnant, came in fifth place, or fourth or fifth, or whatever, so she didn't qualify, but she had a drug test, and she found out she was pregnant.

That's why I'm a little throw it off, honestly, because I'm four or five months pregnant and she's running. Is that right? Yeah, that's why I'm a little, you know, I have my issues myself. And you think that's because your mother was jostling you when you were in the womb.

She was running too fast. So you were just like... Yeah, I was just, you know what? Right. But my mom had abs. My mom drank, because that's what women in the 1950s did. She drank and smoked. I think, well, okay. Listen.

Listen, we all came out okay, man. Well, you know who else is? Maybe your mother knows her. Probably she does. Shay Gildes Alexander. His mother was an Olympian. Wow. Did you know that? I actually didn't know that. Yeah, Gildes, that's, I guess she married a guyes Alexander, his mother was an Olympian. Wow. Did you know that?

I actually didn't know that. Yeah, Gildes, that's, I guess she married a guy named Alexander, but that's his heritage. That's fire. Yeah, you should call him on that. It's his time. Because I bet you guys would relate. He's like, he's just in his era.

He's a good man, he's a in his era. He's he's a good man. He's a good Oh Father husband or I think he's I don't know his situation ship But he seems like well good dude needs just focused and he's just you know But let's not pretend you have to be a father and a husband to be a good man, right? We are we're women bro. We are every I know but I've never been married or had kids I so I can still be a good man, right? We are who we are. That's who I am.

If I can look myself in the mirror, I can accept my flaws for who I am. Yeah, but that's not a flaw, that's just a choice, right? Yeah. I mean, do you want to, you're not married. No, I'm not married. Well, there you go. You know. Do you want to be?

Who knows, maybe. I bet you if you did, you would. I'm sure lots of ladies would say yes. If it happens, it happens, you know? But it's just. What do you mean, what will it? It happens if you say, will you marry me? No, but.

Don't clip that and look like I'm asking him to marry me, please. Definitely. I don't know if you're doing that, but my knee hurts right now. I don't know if I can get down on there right now. What a good excuse. At some point, you know,

it just is about where you're at in your life. Everything is about- Don't do it, man. Life. Life stabs in the flows. It just flows. Flow and go. That's it.

As an athlete, I mean, even in the off season, you can't really go buck wild with partying, right? Well, I'm saying why though. At the end of the day, you work hard, you play hard. Like I was gifted with an ability. Not everyone was gifted with that ability. No. It's for you.

It's life. Everything is about balance. gifted with that ability. You know, it's for you. It's life. Everything is about balance. How can you moderate and how everything in moderation is good, you know? So as far as do you drink, do you whatever, bro, like you... But obviously you keep yourself in pristine shape because you still want to play. You know, you're an iconic figure in the sport, and I can't believe that some team isn't gonna be, I don't know who you would fit with,

but if you still have the passion to think you can do it, I'm sure, my boy Aaron Rodgers, who I love, sat there. You are too good at this. I'ma tell you this. He was there, I loved him. I'ma tell at this. I'm going to tell you this. He was there. We had to. I loved him. I got too much pride.

I got too much. Since I was four or five years old, I've sacrificed too much to get to where I'm at. Yeah. To let anybody write my story off, except for how I want to write it, or how God is going to write it for me. So four or five? That young? You were like, you thought you I want to write it or how God's going to write it for me. So four or five, that young? You thought you were going to do this when you were five?

Long story short, I'll tell you a quick short story. My mom, four years old, I was in Atlanta, Georgia. My mom was a tri-coach at Georgia Tech. My stepdad was Olympic gold medalist. The 96 Olympics was in Atlanta at the original. I remember. This is like one of my first memories. One of my first things that I can remember. I was four years old. Wow.

My stepdad won a gold medal in the 96 Olympics. My mom was a 12th all-American, 12th, I don't know the numbers, but my mom was a beast. My mom was the real deal. Right. And I just remember, she went to Georgia Tech, Rice, Tulane, these, that, and she's at track practice coaching, and I'm on the pole vault pit throwing the football up to myself, catching, doing one-hand catches, doing catches. At five.

Diving, bottom of my feet, dirty as fuck. You know what I mean? Like that was me, like growing up. Matt Forte could attest to it at Tulane. He was like, he was always just working. He was over there just like working. Like, and four years old, I remember it was snowing in Atlanta, I always tell this story.

My mama came outside, she looked around the house, she couldn't find me, she came outside, she's like, she cussed me out a little bit. But like, what are you doing out here? Like I had no shirt, just my soccer shoes on, shorts, whatever, throwing the football to myself, and I told her I was like, I'm practicing for Sundays. And she was like, I said it with so much conviction,

she was like, I had no choice but to push you to be who you were. It was just building me. And she did. Push you. I gave up the weekends. Every weekend we were in Biloxi, Mississippi, this, that, for a soccer tournament,

or this, that, for a basketball, or this. Sports was everything for me. I was always. Kids want to be playing sports. I mean I played sports every weekend also. They just weren't in tournaments. It was my backyard, but it was what I wanted. It must have been actually fun for you, no? No.

Too much pressure? No, for me it was different. Like I could stand on this, and it is what it is, because we could all do if it was a, but like take injuries aside, as far as athletes in the world, with God and my mom, my pops, everybody, whatever happened to me,

I was one of those athletes in the world that could go from playing multitude of sports, go take the LeBrons and all, you know what I mean? Like everybody. Baseball? Whatever. You could have played baseball, you think? Whatever.

You're as good as? Whatever I would have chosen, I would have been great at. I just, it was in me. I have that ability that drives me to... Yeah, it makes sense. It just wasn't. It just wasn't. Would I have been as good of a baseball player as I were a football player? I don't know.

Would I have been as good a football player? You never know. Soccer was really my first sport. I was supposed to join the U.S. national team when I was like 13. A couple of my coaches were from Trinidad and Chabago. We used to have this AAU league. And I remember growing up, how we grew up, I just could never imagine, ma, we gotta move to London and Paris.

And how are we gonna pay the bills? How are we gonna, to chase a dream that we don't know is gonna work out? And it's just like football for me was just an easier thing. I just knew I would make it. And basketball was there. I'll never forget.

The only reason I was playing basketball is if I went to UNC because the Roy Williams camp wanted to be like Mike. I only wanted to play at UNC basketball. That was it. And I went to the camp. I won MVP in whatever grade that was. I'll never forget having the white Kobe Mambas on. I'm like that, you know what I'm saying?

So what are these things that you think you've given up so much? Okay, so your weekends when you were a kid, that's a lot because kids need free time. But what else? But it wasn't bad to me though. Then when it wasn't bad, it was like, I was doing what I loved, you know? But I'm like looking back on it now and it's like, are you every weekend, it was traveling somewhere to go do this? When you're actually doing it, I mean like when you're with the Giants or the Browns

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What a good question. Like I almost thought of it. It's a tough question because there's so many different, like there's so many different facets. Like there wasn't a quarterback that I didn't not, like, obviously Eli went to his high school. And every Friday when I grew up in New Orleans, I used to be like, what is going on? Like, there's some loud noises going on.

Like, really a movie. Literally. Watch this. I'm talking about, I lived right here. There was a gate right here. I used to walk to the gate and watch the football game. And this is Isidore Newman. And I didn't know nothing about it.

Who's that? Isidore Newman. Eli, Peyton Manning, and him. Yeah, Archie Manning, the father, the better familias of Eli and Peyton. Yeah, he played for, who did he play for in the pros? The Oilers? The, no, somebody like that.

But yeah, I mean, he was, and now the kid. Don't they have a kid now who's coming up? Arch? Yeah. Bloodline, you know? Yeah, I mean, DNA. I'm talking about 100 feet. Like, I'm talking about one football field,

maybe two football fields max. I lived right there. Do you think that was destiny that you wound up catching his passes? I don't know. It just happened to work out. But it was just like, like it literally could be a movie.

Like I remember walking up to the fence and I was like watching. I was like, I want to play here. You know what I mean? Like I had no idea of anything. And cause growing up in New Orleans, it would have either been Newman or Sennard. You have a very sophisticated, mature attitude

for someone who's 32 because I remember being 32 and I didn't. Yeah. I didn't. I've been through, I think I've done my 22 through 32 was a 20 through 40 with what I had to go through and experience and all those things. And yet I still have a lot to learn. And yet I'm still someone who wants to learn. Like when someone like we sit down and have a conversation.

I want to learn. That's the most important thing. I'm not somebody who, oh I think I know it. No, no, no. That is the best. I want to learn. I am the same way. Absolutely.

Somebody younger than me could teach me something. I doubt it. But my favorite three words are I don't know. Because every time I say that, somebody tells me something. And I was facetious about that. You absolutely can learn from people younger than you. I love that. Luckily the people younger than me are also better looking.

So it really works. But you know that mentality that you can't learn from somebody else? And it just, I don't know, it's just like you think not to holly of yourself or whatever it is, but you're just not like, you're not open. Like you... No. But I mean, the classic mistake of youth, and I suffered it also, was thinking you're so dumb,

you don't know what you don't know. So you think you know it all. And what most people have to discover painfully through life is if you had just listened to this person, opened your mind, opened your ears, they were trying to save you. So much pain. But it's ironic. That's how I feel. That's where I'd stop you and I'd be like,

for me, the type of person I am, I have to touch that stove to know that it was hot. It's not just you. That's everybody touch that stove to know that it was hot. It's not just you, that's everybody. You have to, everyone has to learn. Everybody, it's what you're being. That's the only way for someone to learn. If you could.

I get it that you can, oh, learn from my mistakes. You don't have to be like me, but no. For me, I have to grow that way. That's how I'm going to grow. I needed to do that. It's a shame because we could save so much pain and I would say I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but like one out of 10 times when somebody older

imparts some wisdom to a younger person that says, I'm telling you, I've been down this road. I've seen this movie. But that was your life. I've stopped at this inn, I know, but you're doing the same thing. We all have the same patterns. I'm telling you, you could save yourself so much.

I think like one out of 10 times that lands. And the person actually avoids the mistake they would have made. Nine out of 10 times, they just gotta do it for themselves. Sure, but also, let's compare the one out of 10 to the nine out of 10, like, who knows what it does for that person? Maybe the one out of 10 who learned

didn't learn in other areas down the line. The nine out of 10 who had to burn their hand took all the information in and they understood for the next time that something was coming. You just gotta, everybody is everybody. We all have our own lives, we all deal with our own shit. And that's just how it's gotta be. We all have to, I wake up every day,

I gotta look myself in the mirror, I gotta understand my problems, I gotta understand my flaws. Not to discredit anybody else, but at the end of the day, I gotta handle me and mine. Like I always. Especially now that you got a kid. I tell people right now, I'm in the middle of my own storm. I'm holding my umbrella. My son and my family and people who I love and care for are under my umbrella.

I can't hold your umbrella right now. Umbrella. You're watching that big- L-I, L-I, A- Wasn't that a big song? See, right until you take it off. Oh my God, you're going to sing Umbrella now. Do it. You're watching that big... L-I-L-I-A-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C-C- You can reattach that yourself. I won't, but I will get it. That's OK. We can even keep rolling with this. And I'm sure, you know, we were talking before about how you said you're really 40.

You know, you're... No, but like mentally, because you do. Like when you're 22, not only are you playing this game in front of a lot of people, and most people are not doing something in front of all those people, whatever they're doing. And then after the game, you have to sit down in front of the press. You have to go to that table where you sit. I feel like it's the rock bottom worst thing ever you could ever watch on television

is any sort of interview with an athlete. It's just... It's kind of wrong, but it's like, like for me, as a 22-year-old, everybody talks about this catch and they're like, oh, you know, they like to try and reflect and be like, oh, he only had one catch. And I'm like, I think that was session number eight of the season or whatever. No, no, you're- Whatever.

You know what I'm saying? I'm a fan. I know how good you are. Let's be real. Yeah, the people who watch the game know Stop it, but it's like at the same point in time. It's like yeah, that was One catch that was touchdown number eight, but to me I'm over here as a 22 year old Who's helping handed the world and I have I'll never forget the ketchup and I went from like

almost being at 300k to By the time we had a game next week 1 million followers the week after that close to 1.5 to like going into my like my second year 2.3 million followed like Just taking off and people around the world hearing about it and it's like, not everybody can carry that. No, how many followers do you have? I don't know.

Okay. But it's a lot, I know it's a lot. I know you're like crazy. I mean, I've got 10,000 on beeper. Yeah, I'll just say for like, for the sport that I play, I've traveled across the world and I fucking love it because it's like, it's great.

Like I could be anywhere in the world and not anywhere, but people know who I am. And like as a football player, we wear masks, we're not playing basketball. Like it doesn't happen to anybody. I'm not Tom Brady who is the motherfucking goat. You know like there's only certain people who are like, you know, etched in the stone like,

and it just so happens. Do you think he's the goat of football? I'm not arguing, I'm just asking. I'm not arguing with you either. That's like. Yeah, I mean he has a, I mean he is pretty amazing. I'm not arguing with you either. That's like yeah, I mean he has I mean he is pretty amazing I mean seven, you know seven I used to dislike him Yeah, you try and it's hard. No, I used to dislike him No, I tried but I loved him because it's like why the fuck does he keep winning?

Right beat my Rams and the Rams is my team like, you know what I mean? Well, I just like he also I mean Even if he just had the Super Bowls with the Patriots, it would be an amazing number. It's very hard to get to the Super Bowl. But then to leave the team, I mean, the studliest movie ever did was to leave the team and win a Super Bowl with another team. Because that was the, it was the mic drop of all the... It was this.

It was the mic drop of all time. It was like, I can do it without Bill Belichick. Thank you. For sure. And, you know, that led directly to Jordan Hudson. And so it was a tragedy. No, it wasn't. I think she's fantastic.

Yeah. I think it's fantastic he's with her. I think it's fantastic a coach can get think it's fantastic he's with her. I think it's fantastic a coach can get young pussy. That's how great sports is. Let's talk about Angie. Anyone who owns a home knows how much work it takes. Whether you're dealing with daily maintenance, emergency fixes, or even a dream renovation, it is so hard to find the right help.

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Download the free Angie app today or visit angi.com. That's A-N-G-I dot com. Listen man, life's great. It's just like you gotta respect though, like Bill was a real dog, too Like he was a real like he's one of those colors. He really was bro. He was one of those people who I'll never forget Like I'm gonna play for him We it was close. There was time. Yeah

That was like we don't want to do Absolutely. Yeah, cuz it's great. It was Tom, Tom Brady. You want to, oh, of course, and Brady was there. Tom Brady was my guy. Oh, that would have been awesome. It's also been funny that like I played with Eli, who Eli was the only person to beat Tom, and it's just like the kind of like Newman connection. So it's like, it's always like a bud,

but like Eli was really like my fucking guy. Like, and people don't know it, and they always try and go back to this one interview that I did when I was young and it's like, oh you threw your quarterback under the bus and it's like, you're telling a 24, 25 year old man who's trying to accept a check to set himself up from an organization

so he can't really speak out on our organization, can't speak out on a quarterback, and he, but you want him to take all the blame for it, but yet, it's a lot more than that, that's at fault. It's like, I've had this conversation with Eli, like, I know for sure how much, I used to text Eli, I'm like, you're seventh on the list for greatest of all time, let's get it. 2015, let's fucking get it.

We got shit to do. And it's like, when I was at the Giants, do you know how bad I would have loved to see Eli go out with a Super Bowl? On his last, boom, motherfucker, you did it. Like, I don't know, like you did it. You know what I'm saying? Like that was what it was for me. Like it was deeper than, it was deeper than that.

And like people got it so confused because the media tries to play their games and they try to play their role and they know how to create the story and make it this and make it a controversial. Just so people read it and then enough people read it and enough people probably aren't happy with themselves buying into it and they all buy into it and make it bigger. It's just a vicious cycle. I see this, I mean when Aaron was here,

he was talking about Devonte Adams and you know, I remember Terrell Owens crying. You remember that? Like, that's my quarterback. And I love it because it just shows the camaraderie. And also, sports is great for being transcending race. I've said this many times before on my show. It's a great example for society because obviously, people

can do it. They play together. And the love that you see that the players have for each other. And it's like, because you're on my team, not on my race, you're on my team. And I mean, and- We have four quarters and we have to win.

How did we win? We all did this shit together. But especially the love that I see between like quarterbacks and their receivers, all did this shit together. Boom, that's it, we celebrate. Especially the love that I see between quarterbacks and their receivers. I mean, they go together drunk and disorderly. And people are loving. I'll be honest, and I hate this,

people do not understand what it's like to be a receiver. They like to put these times, pre-Madonna, this, that. Imagine this, imagine this. Especially unreceived. Imagine this. 63 plays. Especially on receivers. Imagine this. 63 plays in a game, average. You're the top receiver. You only get eight to 10 to 12 opportunities out of 63.

Right. The O-line has to block. Everything has to block. The routes have to be, the coverage, just for you to get one opportunity to catch a pass. How do you get open? That's what you do when you train. But I'm just saying it in a sense of like-

How does a receiver get open? The beat them off line of scrimmage, it's just time and place, like everything else. You know? But it's like for me, it's the idea that people have of a receiver. It's like, oh, he's selfish. Everybody else on the football field, the O-line, as soon as the ball's high, they get to touch somebody with pads

and block them or not block them. The quarterback, he gets the ball in his hands. The running back, if he gets a hand off, he's getting the ball. The linebackers, they see the running back getting the ball. They're coming up to make the play. They see the quarterback dropping back. They're dropping back and covering.

The DBs are guarding the receiver. The receiver is the most selfless position on the field. We have to rely on everything else to go right just for one opportunity to catch a pass. They never, never try over there. People don't think about that shit like that. You don't because you're like, oh no, he's the pre-Lindana and all is no. Motherfucker, I worked hard the same way he did.

The same way, just for this opportunity to catch a pass. So, fuck it right, I'm gonna be pissed if I got open and I didn't get the ball, and this was my chance. And some place you're just blocking, right? Some, I'm gonna be pissed if I got open and I didn't get the ball. And this is my chance. And some place you're just blocking, right? Some place I'm just blocking. That's gotta be boring. No, but not when you're blocking for a Saquon Berkeley. Right.

Not when you're blocking for, I got caught so many times, I'll never forget, I'll never forget like Saquon coming to the Giants and finally being like, I have somebody. Never leaving New York. Like, what the fuck? Yes, I got somebody. Let's build off here. And it was a Philly game. We were in Philly, man.

This dude is just, he's the best. Right? And never forget, I don't know what player it was, but he took a hand off and he was coming up the left side and he bounced and da da da da. I'm looking at the jumbotron trying to block my guy, but he's breaking right to me. And I'm trying to get out of his way so he can be great because he's one of the best that ever put on glutes. I'm telling you that and he's going to continue to show that and I just love it for him.

But it's like there's nothing better also as a receiver like you spring that block that made the touchdown go. Like that's just as good as catching touchdown. Like cool, every receiver wants to catch a touchdown. Come on, be real. You know what? In my world, the version of that is, like if I'm a comedian on, like Martin Short or something,

like last thing in the world is I want to get in his way. What I want to do is just set him up. In my business, playing a straight man, that's blocking. Yep. And it's extremely satisfying. And it's a skill that lots of people don't have. I love doing it. They pay me the same. Yeah. Whether I'm getting a laugh or you're getting a laugh. That's the idea.

You know, the check is still the same. And it is a great feeling, a feeling of camaraderie and selflessness and doing something with somebody else. For sure, bro, it's a mentality. And it's like, you know, again, break it down to this. There's good people, there's bad people. And I'll send it back to be like, there's some receivers who do want to score to be like, it's me, you know what I mean?

Sure. And there's some receivers who are like, I did that, you know what I mean sure and there's some receivers who were like like I did that like we you know I'm saying like I I scored like for us though like we're good like let's go defense you do your thing like it's a camaraderie so what about Aaron Rodgers the love them we've had conversations so why don't you join the Steelers that'd be great because he's on the Steelers now I won't say that that it's not a possibility and I won't say that it's not a possibility, and I won't say that I haven't had any communications,

but I also quote. Great coach. You'd love to play for that coach. Fucking love Tomlin. I was actually supposed to be drafted to the Steelers. Really? That was the meeting that I had that I was like, I think I'm going to the Steelers.

And the Giants ended up taking me to 12. Steelers had the 16th pick maybe. I think they took Ryan Shazier in their drafts. And it just was... Well, I hope I see more of you because you're always entertaining to me. I'm not done, I'll tell you that. I watch sports to be entertained,

to waste time in the most elegant way I can. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it, but I would never smoke pot and watch football. You like cards? Cards?

Yeah. No, like bridge? No, cards, rummies, E-Gard games. Yeah, those are card games. No, I mean, poker, you mean like that? Well, I mean, yeah, I wish I knew how to play poker. I mean, no, is that what you do for fun, cards? Love cards.

Really? Stimulated my mind. I feel like something about playing cards with somebody, whether it's Rummy or whatever it is, you get to tell a lot about that person and their intent. You get to tell a lot about their decision making. How do they go about like, OK, I need to get my 33 and my four, but I gotta get a pure run, but I have this, but I have that.

What decision am I gonna make? You get to know a lot about people who buy you a bunch of good cards. But the problem with cards is that it's too much luck involved. It's like you can't make a three come up. You can only play the cards you're given as the saying goes. Isn't that the same in life?

We're all given fucking cards and all I can do is make what I have of what I have. Somebody who's poor and doesn't have money but goes out and finds a way to be fucking successful. Yeah. They were dealt a shitty hand but they stepped it up. You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel. In life, we're all dealt the cards that we're dealt. Exactly.

And however you deal with that, that's how you deal with that. No, that's the right attitude. I agree. But I just feel like with cards, like in life, you're dealt one hand when you're born. Maybe you're dealt a few other hands along the way. Some people are dealt a better hand, some people have dealt a shitty hand. But I've seen a shitty hand turn out to be a winning hand, and I've seen a winning hand find a way to be a shitty hand. And parents have a lot to do with it. If you have great parents, you were dealt an ace. And if you have shitty parents, you were dealt a deuce.

But people do overcome that. But I don't know. I guess I'm more of a determinist. I feel like, yes, I know the cards. Maybe I just have known my cards for such a long time now that I feel like, yeah, I played them out and in the game of life, did I win 37-12? No, I did. It was not a, I feel like I won the game, but it was more like

24-17. You know what I mean? I've had many setbacks and many defeats and many things, but generally- The jokes with me and my friends, it could be 25-24. I'm going to look at you after we won and be like, I just beat the fuck out of you. You know what I mean? Like, just to mess with them. It's like, bro, you won by one point. No, no, no, I beat the fuck out of you. Like, it's just that kind of like, I won, period. It doesn't matter how it is.

And it's just like, I feel like life is all about perception. I always say, perception is reality, but like, your perception is not my reality. And once I used to live by everybody else's perception and you're always trying to please that as a person you're always going to find yourself displeased and it's never going to be good for you. So that means it's never going to be good for the people that you're trying to do more for. It's just, you got to just, that you're trying to do more for. It's just, you gotta just,

you gotta find your own way in this life, you know? I feel like I can't rely on someone to. No, you've gotta rely on you. That's the end of the day. Yeah, but the truth is too late for that. Yeah, well. But you know, one of the cards that's kinda shitty when you're an athlete is you don't get the longevity card like it

I'm still like working my job at the top of my game and I'm almost 70 That's not gonna happen in sports now. You could go into another field and you may I mean at some point Even if you play this year next year At some point in the near future, there are no 40 year old receivers Jerry Terry Jerry Jerry Rice was 40 At some point in the near future, there are no 40-year-old receivers. Jerry? Terry? Jerry Rice? Jerry Rice was 40?

Really? OK, well, I wouldn't advise it. You're going to get hurt. Well, if you do, you're doing this. What's your choice? You think you should be a receiver at 40? What's your choice? OK, well, but not 50.

At some point, you know, it's like every- I ain't calling, bro. You got family, we got kids, we got... But, like, come on. Like, what do you want to do when the football ends? You know, I just want to be honest. I keep a lot of my things private because I want people to steal my ideas, but like, create my own. Like, when I was with Nike there was nothing more I wanted to do then build Nike up. They used to call me Mr. East Bay you know what I mean like when I was young. You remember East Bay catalogs?

Where you had the cleats, the gloves, everything. Were you buy athletic equipment? Yep. All I wanted, my mama, when she got her chips. Jock struts, everything? I never wore those until I got to leave. You never wore a jock strut? Yeah, no. Are you sure?

Was your mother's running? My mother, my father, my father's running. Maybe it was that clean. The orange Nike Sherbert, Nike Mercurial Vapor, that one, sparkly orange one. That was it. Boom. The David Beckham, baby blue Predator sparkler that came out. Adidas with the strap with the big toe.

Boom. The Nike Mercurial, Christian Alonardo, Carbon Fiber. That was like my thing. Like it was always my thing. It was something that, and to be honest, one of my, I actually haven't talked about them a lot and I have to give them my major salute. I was supposed to meet with them recently. Rinaldinio was one of the biggest inspirations of my life.

Who? Ronaldinho. Who was that? Soccer player. The way he fucking played, the smile he had on his face, his movements. Who does he play for? Now?

Ever. Himself, I guess. You know what I mean? He played for Barcelona, Brazil. Oh. He had the gold Nike tempos. Like he was. Where is he from? He was the man, Brazil. He had the gold Nike 10-pos. He was... Where is he from?

He was from Brazil. Brazil? Yeah. He was the man. He's... Is that where the greatest soccer players are from? Like Pele was new Brazilian? I think so.

That's like the last one I remember. I'm not into soccer. No, look, man. I'm not into the story, neither myself, but Bernal Dino is somebody who inspired me more than people could ever imagine. And it's just like, I'll never forget. I was talking about meeting your heroes and blah, blah. For me, my biggest inspiration is those kids, the way that they look at me, the way that

they wanted to dance, the way that they wanted to do all that. That kept me going for a long time because the grown ass men who have their opinions and feel like they get to say whatever about whatever, that didn't inspire me at some point. It's just that it's another man judging me on telling me what I should and shouldn't be when they're not in my position in dealing with what I'm dealing with.

So I'll never forget how Mike was for me, Mike Vick, and I feel like he truly... What were you saying you were dealing with at that time? When you said, don't judge me, you don't know what I'm dealing with, what were you dealing with? Just in general life, like bro, you don't know what it's like to have everybody watching you

and you just wanna go into CVS and get some sour punch straws and Gatorade. People wanna take a picture. People also don't know that, your G-ma by the past on that day and now you don't wanna take a picture. Don't you think that's a, I mean. But now you're the asshole

because you didn't wanna take a picture. But I'm also, I'm a human, I'm going through stuff. I understand that very well. But don't you think, as we said before, you dealt different cards, some are good, some are bad. Don't you think the trade-off of that for all the things that fame gets you is worth it? You wouldn't trade that trade-off, would you?

I understand that but also as a human I Have emotions I have yeah, I do too I'm saying I have things that like today might not have been my fucking day like it might have been a bad day But you know how I avoid that I don't go to CVS and you don't have to either you're rich You know bazillion color I feel I feel like You're rich. You have a bazillion color. I feel like part two, but maybe- I feel like any celebrity in CVS wants to be in CVS. I feel like, but maybe I needed specifically for me,

I needed to go grab that candy. It wasn't somebody else bringing me that. You wanted the experience of everyday life. I needed that for me. Right. And maybe it's just as simple as that, like- Well, tough shit, I don't feel sorry for you. Well, I don't feel sorry for me. Right. And maybe it's just as simple as that. Well, tough shit, I don't feel sorry for you. Well, I don't feel sorry for me either.

You're Odell fucking Beckham. Fuck it, I am. You know what? If you can't go buy your hard candy at CBS, cry me a river. But... We live where we learn. See? You learned.

I'm telling you. You could have told me the stove was hot. I had to touch it. I could have, but I didn't You could've told me the stove was hot. I had to touch it. I could've, but I didn't listen when they told me the stove was hot. Well, shit, both didn't. It's good to get to know you. I mean, it's nice to meet your sports idols

and find out they're cool, because sometimes you meet people who you've only seen from afar, and they do the opposite, they disappoint you. They know, they're dumber, meaner, or just arrogant, and you're cool, that's great. I just feel like at the end of the day, the way my parents raised me, the way whatever happened, whatever my experience is, like, I'm a real ass person,

and I won't change, and I'm not saying that I won't get better, but I'm saying I won't change, and I'm not saying that I won't get better, but I'm saying I won't change for anybody in that sense, unless it's something that I need to do for me. I am who I am, for better or for worse. Like I say, I know my flaws, I know my good shit, I know my bad shit, and I'm okay with that. When I laid my head at night And I'm okay with that. When I lay my head at night, I'm okay with that. If I laid my head at night and I had to be like, damn, I didn't stand for who I was in this moment,

that's worse than laying down your head at night and be like, oh, I can lay good because I made everyone else. Who is your close friends that you can always rely on when you're having these kind of thoughts and you gotta ask about what's real and who can you depend on to tell you the truth and to know the fame, lifestyle,

and all that stuff that you're talking about? Who do you go to? I think it's hard because it's like, so Lebron James is one of my biggest role models, idols, dissed actor, brother, all that. Right? There's so many people, but I'm like- Sure, he understands all that.

Every situation is different. I can only take a piece from Bron. I can only take a piece from here, a piece from there. The same way when I watch Allen Iverson, I can only take a piece from here a piece from there the same way when I watch it I love him. I could only take a piece from here the same Alan I Was saying the same way when I like all these people I can only take a piece and then I'm I'm always gonna be myself All sports people are those all the only people who could know no No, you got you know regular people you got your mom

you obviously everyone looks at the mom the dad like you know growing up as to No? No, you got regular people, you got your mom. Obviously, everyone looks at their mom and their dad, like, you know, growing up as to who I am or how I can understand things. But like, when you're gifted or blessed or, I don't know what the word would be, but when you're put in another situation and you have to live in a different way, it's kind of like, you left a fin for your own at the end of the day. I understand truly the downsides to it. But most people would say, I would give my right nut. Yeah, but they didn't have that opportunity.

So they can't, I would give my right nut to have been 6'6 but God didn't want that for me and the God knew God knew why he didn't make me 6'6 What are you 6'3? Ha, see I like you. Yeah, yeah. Why what are you? Yeah, I mean I like to do, we don't need to talk about it. But you're an athlete. I mean, sir you're saying of course you'd be a whole different man personal players like tall targets and we and quarterbacks have to be told out, too I think women like tall targets too. Like, you know, it just that's true Could we play in a different sport? Who knows what I would mean if I was six six?

right, I Mean again not gonna cry for you I'm not gonna cry cry for you either. I think God did that on purpose. So you didn't get that last four inches? No, he had to humble me. But like when he was making me, he was like, damn, I did a good job, but it was going over the pot,

so he put the pot on top, and he was like, he's got to stop right here. He would have been too powerful at the age of six. For sure, I think so. I don't think I would have been as good of a man as I was if I was a little bit taller. Is that true? I think so.

Wow. I can't think of much that would have gone better. I mean, you got to the top of your field professionally. Yeah, I just think my pride, I would be a little bit more like, I'd be looking at people. You'd be more conceited. Yeah, yeah, a little bit.

You'd literally be looking down on people. Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm five of me. I would be a little bit more like, I'd be looking at people. You'd be more conceited. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. You'd literally be looking down on people. Yeah, exactly. Well, how do you, well, I'm 5'8", how do you think I feel? I mean, I've been in- Put your wallet on your both feet, and then I'll tell you. Exactly.

I like that one. It's, it's not. You're 6'6", yourself. Well, I mean, I mean, that's, I hear guys say things like that all the time, but I guess when you have a kid, like you do, it's... I always said, before I ran my son, I said, I fear the day that I have to raise a child in this world.

Well, I hope you're a traditional parent. I have a dim view of modern parenting, and not that I am one, but I'm not oblivious to what it looks like, because I see these little rapscallions around me sometimes when I'm out and so forth, and they have no respect for their parents. For life.

I don't take any shit from your kid. No, for sure. It'll make your life and the kid's life better. For sure. I'll take a little shit from him though. He can't, sometimes he gives you that look and it's like, damn it. Like I'm looking at you, I'm looking at you, but I'm looking at me and I'm like... Right. But every now and then... But, he's three, you know, come on.

He's three. I'm sure that... He's a great kid though. There's no... There's no turning down a three year old, I'm guessing. But when he gets a little older, He gets what he wants. Keep him away from social media, too much.

By that time, it might be implanted in their brains. Yes, it might be implanted in our brains and the robots are gonna take over. Yeah, they got a bunch of... Don't do that, you need those hands. I know, but these... Those are very famous hands. Keep them strong.

Bro? Yeah. I hate to give you my left again, but I'm telling you. I mean it. I know it's too strong. My fuck you finger too. I wouldn't disclose it. I would've gave you the little... Okay. Round the gate up. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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