Club Random with Bill Maher - Robert F. Kennedy Jr. | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: June 25, 2023

Bill Maher and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the legacy media’s opposition to his candidacy, the size of LBJ’s head, RFK’s childhood accident, Bill’s old pre-show habit, the RFK Sr. quote that infuriated LBJ, the prank the Kennedy boys played on J. Edgar Hoover, the bravery of losing the South over Civil Rights, vaccines, the number one killer of people, Elon Musk, Bill reads from the New York Times, how liberals have changed, Joe Biden, why RFK is the only one who can beat Trump in a debate, and the heartbreaking story of his father’s assassination.

I pulled myself away from Justin Verlander is blanking the Ankeys, which is very important to medfans on two levels. Do you follow this? Do you still with the Red Sox? No, yeah, I'm still Red Sox. Okay, well they stink, so good luck with that. But I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you came here to do this. And I know you are a believer that podcasts are like going to be the medium that television

was for your uncle, President Kennedy, radio for FDR. Right? Yeah, I mean, I was thinking that there's kind of a battle now between There's kind of a battle now between legacy media and all of these kind of news sources of content and information, and that this campaign is kind of Armageddon potentially for the legacy media. And I am in my own world, the legacy media is just fiercely, ferociously opposed to my candidacy. I have brought in the clothes at nightmare. But somehow there was an article that came out today, a poll that came out today in Forbes, that showed that my favorability ratings are better by far than any of the other candidates.

And I'm not, you know, bragging about that, but it's just curious because all of that. I hate them to rip you, but if you're running for president, you should brag. That's what that's what people lose elections. It's a nice because they're too modest. You know who is not very modest, Donald Trump? Yeah, that's a good point. It kind of works for him.

I mean, not to that emotion works. The Democrats are very often, I mean, the people are very often with them more on the issues, the voters, and yet the voters don't vote to them. Like, because I feel like they're not real, they don't make the connection. Oh, you did this for me. Like, I'm alive because I have this healthcare or this poverty program that didn't exist before Medicare, social security, whatever.

I think when LVJ took office, like the senior poverty rate was something like 35%, and we took it down to nine, you know, those are like real things, but they don't, I don't think they touted it. They don't get the message. They're people, they always say, we didn't get our message out. Well, I think that's part of it.

You didn't connect what, why this person has this benefit to, oh, we did that. You think, you don't think that's true? Oh, I do think. I mean, I don't know if it has to do with promotion, but I think a lot of time. I think most of the people who got the advantage of that

probably were not thinking, saying thank you to LBJ every night. No. Well, I know you hated him, right? No, I didn't hate him. You know, he was actually very kind to me. He was? Yeah, I mean, the one night that I had this very sort of frightening, I suppose, a confrontation

with him, it might him, we went to... When my father, after my uncle was killed, I'll be... it was very jealous of my father. But my father remained friends with a lot of people who were in the administration like Bob McNamara and many, many others, Dick Goodwin. And all the different tears people were in the administration. My father would have come to high-end

a sport for the weekend. And when they were there, Elbijae would always call them. And he would call them to let them know that he knew that they were at my house, which he considered an actor disloyalty. But one night we went over my mom and I and my two elder siblings, and I think a couple of my younger ones went over to Magnemar.

Magnemar was the Secretary of Defense, who were present Kennedy, and then he stayed on with Johnson. Former head of GM, wasn't he? In Ford. And then he stayed on with Johnson. Former head of GM, wasn't he? And for it. For it. And my father was very close to him. My father would call him every night and tell him you got to publicly contempt the Vietnam War.

And Mac the Marrow would say, if I leave here, he'll drop an atom bomb. And I got to stay here and stop him from doing that. Similar to Colin Powell, who said, I stayed in the Bush administration, because without me, there wasn't gonna be an adult in the room. Same thing, right?

Yeah. And it may be valid. And anyway, my father talked to him every night, the last thing he did, but before he went to bed, he always called Magna Mahar and told him you got to come, you got to go public and you got to, we got to get out of Vietnam. One night we went over, he remained very close to Magna Mahar. And one night we went over to Magna Mahar as for dinner. up to McNamara's for dinner. And we, and in the middle of dinner, Johnson came in on an ounce. So it was the president of the United States, you know, walks into the house, and

he was a very, very big man, yet a huge head. And that's not to remember. And we were all rushed out of the house. The kids were shrek. Yeah. Come to the end. And my father, but when I got injured when I was a kid, I got a 147 stitches in my leg. I sliced up two of my potatoes. And Johnson wrote, when I was in the hospital, Johnson wrote me a series of very, very kind of kinds. We very corny, personal letters.

Really? How old were you? I was 11, 12. What did you do? My brother was chasing me on a roof, and I jumped to another roof and didn't make an icon. I got to say this gene in the Kennedy family for doing like really reckless thing, I feel like this is something the public needs to be assured about because really a lot, I mean there's been a lot of loss that is noble loss, the assassination, of course. But then, there's been a lot of loss

that is noble loss, the assassinations, of course. But then there's just been a lot of reckless behavior and that hurt other people and hurt, didn't you have a skiing death? My brother died in a ski accident. Playing ski football or something. Yeah. Yeah, and John Jr.

should not have been flying that plane. I feel like you're making a... You say you wanted to think about Johnson Till. Which is that, you know, everybody knows about the conflict between my father and Johnson that started very early because my father did not want Johnson to be vice president. He didn't like him and he didn't trust him. That I remember. Right. And when my uncle decided it was going to be Johnson, he sent my father up to tell him, which was excruciating for my father. My father never liked him and then Jack

did not pay a lot of attention to him as vice president, which hurt his feelings. And meanwhile, my father was kind of in charge of everything. So they had this antagonist relationship. And then when Jack was killed, Johnson saw my father as a principal rival. And then when he, you know, they had, when Johnson was nominated in Atlantic City in 1964, so Johnson took over in November of 1963 when my uncle was killed. Then he was president for a little over a year. He had to run again.

The Democratic nomination was in 1964. My father showed up at the convention very the convention, very reluctantly, because he was still shattered. He was one of his first public appearances. And they played a video about my uncle Jack. And at the end of the video, there was a line from Shakespeare that said, you know, and when he dies, something to the extent, when he dies, cut him in little bits and thrown in the stars.

I remember your father saying that. Yeah. And he said that. And he shall make the garish moon, you know, jealous of the, you know, of the darkness. And Johnson took that personally. He thought that it was an allusion to him being the garish moon because he was going to be a good taxid. He took that as a slide and then he saw my father for the next four years arrival and then ultimately my father did run. But during that period when they had this

rivalry, my father, particularly in the early days after my uncle Jackson's was absolutely shattered. And he was almost, he was disconsolid, disconsolid, and he was almost catatonic, you know, he was so shattered that he wasn't going to work and he would walk around and I hikes all the time. And I really talked to anybody. And Johnson was worried about him and sent him on two foreign missions. One of those missions was the Indonesia. Indonesia was about to go to war. Sakarno was the liberator of Indonesia. The CIA had tried to kill.

It was about to go to war with the Netherlands. And Johnson sent my father there to try to settle this dispute, which he did. He had been made friends earlier on with Sikhar now, and they had a good relationship. They ended up settling the dispute. And then he sent him on another tour to Asia. And there was such this profound outpouring of love for my father during that tour, from people all over the world that it really made him feel like he had another role in life like a later role. So Johnson did that, and I've always remembered that about him, that he had that kind of, that grain of compassion at that point.

I mean, people are just so complex. You know, the way they can show the best at work and like inside the same minute. Yeah. And when Johnson took over, did he keep your father on as attorney general? Yeah, my father stayed for a while and resigned. He stayed until he was going to run for a senate, so he stayed.

But he didn't really go to work and also, you know, half of his employees at the Justice Department were FBI agents who worked for Hoover. And he had a buzzer on his desk for Hoover, which nobody had ever thought. And he actually treated Hoover as his J-Door, his employee. And no other attorney general that ever dared to do that. And I went up to, me and my brother should go up there and push the button and Hoover would have to come up and he would be very, very pissed off. And I was in who that wasn't a smart thing to do.

No, no, no, no, to to humiliate. He wasn't humiliating him. He was trying to bring him under under control because he was, you know, he was a, he had become a power to himself. And he was, my father was, you need to report to the Attorney General, I'm your, you know, your punitive boss, and I am your actual boss. So the second, as soon as Jack was killed, and it was Jay Aguil, who called my father, and told him that his brother had been shot, and you know, an hour later he called him and told him that his brother had been shot. And you know, an hour later he called him and told him his brother was dead.

And my father told a friend of his, he said the way the tone that he used, when he told me that was the same tone that he would use kind of a matter of fact tone that he would use if he had discovered a communist on the faculty of elementary university, that he would call him out of that. So it was like, it was a mess. And then after that, he never spoke to my father again.

Oh, even though my father continued to be his Peter Voss, he was now at a direct pipeline to the White House, which is how it had always worked. So Jack was the only president, he could not call directly. He had to go through my father, which he deeply resented. You know, and that's the good part of reckless. It also means brave, you know?

I mean, your uncle who was president, you know, made the biggest political sacrifice. I think any political party ever made. The South used to be called the Solid South, meaning the Solid Democratic South. But that's because the Democratic Party allowed them to be horrible racists. Jack Kennedy, one of the main reasons

why a lot of the people, like my family, big Kennedy lovers, thought he was great was because he had the guts to say, yes, we're going to probably lose this entire region of the country, but this one issue can't go on like this. It's been a hundred years since the Civil War. We have to like start this process.

And yeah, and then the South became pretty much the Republicans' South. And then it's still pretty much the Republicans out. And they could still, you know, solid South, but now solid Republican. That's the most massive tradeoff I know of in American politics. When they saw in the Civil Rights Bill, Johnson said, well, we've lost the South for a generation. More than a generation.

Yeah. But so, oh, that's right. I brought you there. Now, you must have this in your home. I don't know, must, but you'll probably do. This must have been in my home. But I found it a few weeks ago, and I thought, oh, you're coming,

or I have to give you this. You don't have it. You should have it. It's called, as we remember Joe. As you remember Joe, I should get that. Exactly. How did I get that? It's this book about we remember Joe, you got that. Exactly, how did I get that? It's this book about your uncle, Joe,

who was the first candidate to tragically die, kind of weirdly in the most normal way, in a war. World War II. And this is as we were, it must have been in my house. Why is it rare? Yeah, it was a private printing. It's a private printing, right?

It's all these, I'm trying to remember if you were ever in my house where you may have been. I always thought, I think I perloigned this. No, bad, you may have an accident. No, but like all these great people, they have tributes from including John F. Kennedy and, oh yeah, like everybody and his brother, and yeah, and the family. I mean, it's just a beautiful thing.

So, if you don't, do you have it? Yeah, I, you want, well, if you want another one, it means more than anything, it's like a private printing. Maybe I shouldn't have ever had it to begin with. If anybody stole it with my father, it wasn't me. But I know it meant a lot to him, because I took it with, you know, when I was at the camera, that's my uncle Joe.

Oh, yeah. He was with Janet in that naval air force out of England. He flew 42 missions, and which made him eligible for discharge. And they asked him at that point, they were looking for people to volunteer for a super dangerous mission. And the mission was, it was the first remote, they had invented the first remote control to aircraft.

So it's an aircraft that you could steer remote control. And they were going to load the plane with bombs. And they were going to have the pilot would take off the plane as they needed in the air, couldn't take off by remote control. My uncle Joe was supposed to parachute out just before it crossed the English Channel. And there was a tracking plane that would follow it, and it was supposed to fly into the submarine nests in the coast of the Netherlands. And it was a fully loaded bomb. And the follow-up plane turned on the remote control.

And the minute they did that, the plane exploded in paper. Oh, my uncle's body was never found. 20 years later, my grandfather, if you mentioned his name, Joe's name, he was the oldest brother and he was kind of the golden child. My grandfather would break into tears and he never got over it. And his oldest daughter died two years later in another crash. Yeah, I mean, the house of Atreus bad luck that your family has had is just, I mean, astounding.

But I find it refreshing that you're willing to, like, make a bet that very often, like, where people think we are in history is lagging behind where we're really are. events like elections or events and people go, oh fuck We didn't think we were that bad, but we elected Trump. We are that bad You know, we're like the OJ trial when when we saw that split screen of black people are Crazy happy and white people are like that's their own brother who was killed It's like, oh wow. We're nowhere still racially, you know?

Like that kind of stuff. And you're making a bet that we're at a different place now. I can run for president and sit here with this pot smoking atheist on a podcast. And we can shoot the shit like real people. Because Trump especially got to give him that. He sort of brought it down to the vernacular level in a big way.

This guy wasn't afraid to say pussy and motherfucker and shit and shit hole. And America's like, yeah, we're just, we're kind of a slavvnly country. We're not a formal people anymore. It's not 1960, you know. And I think you're right. You have to like look like the people who are voting for you

and act like them. They had too many decades of reality television and now social media, everybody's everywhere. You can't pretend that you're like something that's not them. You sit around, you drink, you say, fuck, whatever, all these things, and they're not gonna hold that against you. If I didn't, that's gonna give you some cred.

So, I'd say you should smoke this, but that's maybe going too far. That'd be 40 years of sobriety. No, and you say you didn't like it. Yeah, I might vote for it anyway. But I might vote for you anyway. But also, let me ask you something. You know, something happened to liberals, to our fellow liberals.

Yes. And what ever it was accelerated an amplified during the pandemic. There's a lot we agree on. But there are some things we don't. I mean, where I just want to know, because look, if you're going to make this campaign happen, the one thing that they're never going to stop talking about is vaccines.

And you have to answer for Centino on the causeway. People are going to want to know. And look, I am, I have taken a lot of shit for being, you know, what a lot of people call a anti-vaxxer, which really is just a vaccine skeptic, but they like to move the goalposts and make you a worse somehow outlier. And no, I'm very much on the page,

and people know this of like, I was not on board with how we handled COVID. I was a little... Yeah, but what was your evolution? When did you say, hey, you're saying... Long time ago, I was on 60 minutes quoted me like in 2009 or something, saying, I wouldn't get a flu shot. I'm not talking about vaccines so much, but just on what was happening in COVID, you know, with

the lockdowns. First of all, one thing I don't understand about the COVID thing is how come, I mean, I'm sure you know about the Great Barrington Letter that was signed by 16,000 doctors and scientists who were all dissenting about how we were handling it, how come your doctors only count? I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the Western medicine. How come your doctors, they're the ones, that's the science.

And I guess it was one guy out there, but it's like a lot of accredited people. So I think that is one reason why you came out of the gate at 20% because it's just a lot more people in this country who are on to that kind of thing. And how much medical science, conventional medicine, is wrong and gets things wrong, including about COVID.

Lots of things they got wrong. And then where I think we are not on the same page is, I don't believe all vaccines are bad. There are some vaccines I would want if I thought the pathogen was serious enough. And what do you think I think? Well, let's get into that. Let's make you the candidate that can get past this issue because you're going to have to get past this issue if you're going to go anywhere. So I think your idea of connecting, like the pharmaceutical industry, and that's certainly how to do with how COVID was handled with the bigger issue of corporate America, having

too much of a stranglehold on this, going, that is a great issue. It's a little, you know, not obvious, so you're going to have to explain it to people. You can handle that, I'm sure. But that's where I feel this should start. It's like, before this, you were a guy who was so concerned and still are, of course, about the environment and did so much. And this is just another tributary to that river. This is sort of environmental vaccines.

It's like, what is going to keep me healthy? What's going in my body, that kind of stuff. So I know, it was the same issue, you know, it's an issue of corporate capture. It's an issue of a government agency is being subverted and democracy being subverted and government agencies transformed into through these mechanisms of corporate capture

and to sock puppets for the industries they're supposed to regulate. For you to have the FDA. Oh, yeah, before that, it was the PA that I was, I mean, I probably 20% of my environmental cases were against federal and state agencies who were doing sweet heart deals with the industries they were supposed to regulate. And that, you know, so it was easy for me when I started doing it and when I got dragged kicking and screaming

because I didn't want to do vaccines into the vaccine realm. It was, you know, it was easy for me to understand what was happening because I'd seen it happening in, you know, at EPA. That's an important point people shouldn't. Yeah, and I got, I get dragged in, unlike most people, most people are in this space or were in this space,

because their children suffered vaccine injuries or, you know, let's put it neutrally, that they believe their children had suffered vaccines in injuries, and I was just somebody who believed that you should listen to the women who are, you know. If I may, the moderator just for anyone listening who's the super skeptic type, vaccine injuries, or that is a fact that there are vaccine injuries. That's why there's a vaccine court. Vaccines are a medical intervention, like so many other drugs,

and we don't say they're bad because we know they have side effects, but we just have to admit, first of all, that they do have side effects. Hopefully not bad, hopefully not all. We can debate what they are. But let's start from, yes, vaccines like any other drug have side effects and serious side effects.

And now let's have the debate about how widespread is that. See, that's something someplace where we part. I think you think the vaccine injuries from COVID vaccines did more damage than I do. Well, here's a, see, I don't have thoughts except I see the science, I'm a person who... Well, there's a lot of, you can try to read statistics

many ways. Or you can Jerry pick and leave things out Which you would make you and that you know, that's why you need to read science critically to make sure that's not being done Which is what I try to do but they in terms of the regular vaccine schedule CDC it been telling people for many many years that injuries were one and a million CDC recognized I mean the reason the vaccine act was passed the gave immunity from my ability to these companies, is because they said the vaccines could not be produced, that they were unavoidably unsafe. And that phrase is in the 1986 statute, and it's in the Supreme Court, Bruce Witt's case,

which upheld that statute, they said, okay, we're gonna give them a minute from liability no matter how negligent they are, no matter how grievous you're injury, no matter how reckless the behavior, no matter how shoddy they're manufacturing and testing processes, you can't sue them. And the reason we gave them that liability shield is manufacturing and testing processes, you can't sue them.

And the reason we gave them that liability shield is because they were able to convince Reagan White House that vaccines could not be made safe. They're gonna injure certain people. The question that is, are those rare injuries? And CDC says yes, they were very rare, one in a million. Oh, when CDC finally studied that question in a study called the Lazarus study,

which was published in Pediatrics, and I think it was Pediatrics in 2010, and anybody can look this up. What they found is that the actual rate of injury was about, I think, 2.3 percent, which is one out of every 37 people. And so that had the injury claims that they made claims to their insurance company from all vaccines. The average injury is one in 37. What is the range of that injury?

I mean, if my arm is full of it, for a day is that count as part of it? It was the injuries for which people made claims, medical claims. Right. And so, it doesn't mean that those medical claims are valid. And when people have looked at this, what they've said is a lot of the people make claims, they don't let you know that they have some pre-agist in condition. So it could be. Well, yeah, but there's a, listen, 54% of Americans have chronic disease. Oh, yeah. So, you know, you're supposed to design the product for all the people not just for the,

I'm not just for the managers. That's why I, you know, where I am with you is I do not believe you can make me get a vaccine. You should not. Well, yeah, that's what I believe people should have a choice. I believe the vaccine, again, I don't think you do. I think the vaccine saved millions of lives because people who were not healthy, they needed the vaccine. I just didn't want you to force it on me because I don't feel like I needed it. I should be able to make that decision about how I handled my health, especially since

again, there are all these other thousands of doctors that have to count too. Okay? So I just would say this. I'm not any vaccine, but I am pro science. And when CDC actually, you know, CDC for many years has said, vaccine saved millions and millions of lives, but when they actually studied that issue and they did an intensive study on decades and decades of medical records. And that study is called the Geier study GUIER and they did it with Johns Hopkins in 2000. And they looked at what was the explanation for this historic drop, 85% drop, and mortality is from infectious disease between in the 20th century.

It's one of the great episodes of history in the United States and Western Europe. It was this tremendous drop in the diminishing in the infectalities from infectious disease. What caused that? Was it vaccines? Was it antibiotics? Was it surgeries? Was it something else? Why can't it be all of them? It was actually almost none of them. The explanation for it was nutrition and sanitation. It was chlorine. I think it was... Yeah, sanitation. Nutrition, I guess, got better for a while. Nutrition was... I feel it was. Sanitation, nutrition, I guess got better for a while.

Nutrition was. I feel like when we were kids, food was still basically. Food. Yeah. It was actually, exactly. But it was soon after that, that it just became more and more processed and fake and bad for you. And chemicals and all.

Yeah. So anyway, see, you see, has studied that issue and their verdict on it was that that is not true. And there's many other studies. There's another famous study called McKinley and McKinley that says that fewer than 1% of the decline in fatalities, mortality from infectious disease can be attributed to all medical interventions, including surgeries and antibiotics and vaccines. The real heroes of human health in this country were engineers and there wasn't the medical

question. True, true of war too. War people usually die of the dis... Yes. In the civil war, more died of dysentery than the bullets. It was much more the pooping than the getting shot. I mean, that's just, yeah, disease, you know, what is killed?

It was two thirds in the settler. Well, something, well, let's not argue about pooping in the war. I mean, two thirds died from disease. Right, yeah, well, something, it was some ridiculous number. But what is killed more people than anything, the mosquito. Mosquitoes are the all-time serial killer. Yeah, more than sharks.

More than, of course, more than shark, but more than Hitler. You know, more than, Stalin, you know, they're just mosquitoes. Yeah. The Pentagon is spending their money wrong. They get you get more decont. We are supported by Lumi. As I said, when we started this podcast, there is so much to be

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to today. Listen to Haadah Deadly wherever you get your podcasts. Well listen, I want to take issue with the media here because it incenses me how they write about you. This is the New York Times and this is again this is not the op-ed page. Okay, if it was the op-ed page, I get it. In chat with Musk, Kennedy pushes right wing ideas and misinformation. Right away I'm pissed off because misinformation. Okay, how about you're the newspaper. Just tell me what he said, and I'll decide

what's misinformation. This arrogance of, we know what the misinformation is about science. I read an article in the New York Times so you know it must be true. That's with the doctor said, I think I remember, it was Navarro and she said, nothing in medicine is fixed or precise, unlike other sciences. I thought, ah, that says it exactly how I feel. Nothing in medicine, it's not like other sciences.

Like some others, I mean, okay, anyway, here's so this is their head line. Already you're into misinformation. So you're on with the increasingly right word leaning chief executive Elon Musk, so now we have him painted. You consider Elon Musk right away? No. I consider him like an old liberal. I love him. I consider him a genius, well that's obvious.

But his heart's in the right place. But I think by his own admission, he's a little spectra me and he does some cuckoo things that you just have to accept in him. And they seem fairly benign in the general, even though they are, you know, head smacker. You're like, why did you say that? What was that really necessary to whatever? But in general, I think,

if anybody's going to figure out, like I'd say, the planet kind of shit, we should, we should, like, not piss off people like that. Okay, so Kennedy, who announced, is himself a leading vaccine skeptic and has promoted other conspiracy theories. So I love this. They go right from, he's a vaccine skeptic and other, see if you're a skeptic, and everything else is a conspiracy theory right along with it. Yet he has consistently hovered around 20 percent. Like, that also, the arrogance of, huh, what's going on in the mind of these morons who are

gathering to his candidacy? Okay, so they talk about Ukraine, the Mexican border. See, this is something I also agree with you with. He said pharmaceutical drugs were responsible for the rise of mass shootings in America. Yeah, I didn't actually say it. I'm sure you didn't. No. But the general idea...

I said it should be looked at. It should. And you know what? I don't even have to look at it. It is part of the issue. The gun issue is a number of things. If people could wrap their head around more than one thing at once. Yes, it's about too many guns in the Second Amendment.

It's also about violence in movies and TV shows and seeing every fucking... Or how about video games? And video games, with having a 12-year-old boy see every issue solved by way of a gun. No, that has no effect on it. And yes, the kids are on fucking drugs. They're on Prozac. Is that the main one that... But there's been laws, the Columbine Laws, which was settled. There was five kids who sued because their shooter was on SSRIs. And that is...

SSRIs. Those are serotonin inhibitors. I see. And those, the serotonin inhibitors have black box warnings on them that says suicide and l homicide allidiation. So it's an obvious culprit. And I think you're just putting it. It's an obvious culprit that is treated in this paper as if it's an idea that we need to kill in the crib.

Yeah. When it's not. It's so... Okay. And there's a study out there that shows that 23% of mass shooters were on SSRIs. Oh, you know, it doesn't correlation, doesn't prove causation. No. It's not proof, but it's something that we should be looking at.

And by the way, we're the only country in the world that uses this much, you know, any present SSRIs. And we've always had guns. I mean, when I was a kid, there were schools that I went to where we had shooting clubs and the kids brought their rightfuls to school and practice. So kids were always bad access to guns and they weren't going into the issues. There's no time in American history or human history. At kids were going to shoot schools and shooting their classmates. It happened, you know, it really started happening. Co-terminous with the introduction of these drugs,

with those act and the other drugs. And all the other things, you know, the countries like Switzerland have almost as many or comparable numbers of guns that we do. And the last mass shooting they had was 21 years ago. We have one every like 21 hours. Oh, it's not. And then you also add in 2010,

when does that, when everybody got a smartphone? Yeah. That it's also, we've seen a thousand articles about how it's rewiring the brain. Yeah. So all these things are responsible, but it's, I guess the question for you. But I mean, what NIH should be doing,

because they're trying, they're supposed to, their word folio, is to protect human health, is to actually do real studies on this stuff. Okay, so they won't. But probably. Because they don't want to offend the big shots. For this. The video game companies, the cell phone companies telecommunication industry, with a pharmaceutical industry, they

instead have, and that's why they want to study vaccine, either vaccine saved your vaccine risk, because they do not want the answer. And that's why they won't study, why, look, let's say I'm wrong. And autism did not come, that vaccines are not a factor in this exponential growth in autism. Let's say I'm wrong about that. And all of the studies that I've cited, hundreds of studies that suggest that are wrong. Okay.

Well, then what is it? Something happened. CDC's own data show. We went from one in 10,000 people having autism in my generation and your generation to one in every 34 in my kids generation. So what happened? Okay, and it could be, look, it could be there, EPA did a study, Congress said to EPA, what year did the epidemic start?

EPA said it's a red line, it happened 1989. And that's when the autism epidemic started. EPA said it's a red line. It happened 1989. That's when the odds is the pandemic started. Oh, you have to look at a toxin that became ubiquitous around 1989. And there are a number of things it could be. It could be glyphosate. I am very sympathetic. It could be to this theory.

It could be what it could be. But cell phones. But why, yes. It could be. But why did, why did, why, naked, to what it's designed? But, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, naked, all found out. They all came to the conclusion autism, no connection to vaccines at all. I agree with you. I am skeptical of this. I think they just don't want it. I can go through each one of them and they were all their epidemiological studies. So they're just lying when they say there's no studies? Of course.

There's a 14 study but on the side that shows that autism is caused by vaccines, there's over a hundred studies. I, in fact, did a book in which I listed all of those studies and digested in other words, summarize them all and you can go and source them. And I have over 450 studies summarized and I have 1400 citations. The question for your campaign is, I'm not talking about this stuff on my campaign. I'm just talking between you and me.

That's a ridiculous assumption. Of course you're going to have to talk about you. Well, there's nobody asked me, I'm going to. They're all going to ask you, are you serious? No, they're all going to ask you about. You think they're your friends who want to help you? They don't want anything. They want to go to the most vulnerable point,

which is you're a club because you don't believe in vaccines. That's not what you're talking about. I don't believe that, but that's what they want. You believe I don't believe in vaccines? I believe you are more... I just believe in science. I understand, but you know, any...

I mean, science. I mean, this is the... Yeah, but let's not talk about, again, the science. That's the mistake they made. I believe in science too. But just try to... I mean, I'm just trying to... I mean, let me just say this.

We have different... Every medicine is required to do placebo controlled trials. That's what science is. You give a group of people, a cohort of people, the medicine, and then you give the a cohort, a similarly situated cohort of people, the placebo. And then you look at health outcomes over a four or five year period, because many of the impact of the outcomes are going to have long diagnostical horizons along incubation periods. So you won't see them immediately. You need to do it. As he found you, he said, eight years for vaccine. You need to watch them for a while. Those studies

have not the only medicine that never gets tested are vaccines. And that is what I object to. It's not, I'm not saying, the, you know, that, not only the only one effective, all I'm saying is let's test them the way that we test other medications that does not seem to reach the point. That is not unreasonable.

That's my position, that's my position. Well, great, because when, what I was gonna say is, how do we translate this complex stuff that we're talking about? You're in a debate now, you have 90 seconds. And you have to say it in a way that gets people on your side in, or in a good way, is it hard? I don't object to that.

Xen, show me where I got it wrong. No, I'm just saying this has to be put into these sound bites that's going, that's a challenge because this is a complex subject. And I'm, who do you think I'm going to debate? Well, if you're in the Democratic primary, you're going to debate Joe Biden. You think Joe Biden will ever debate me? Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that would be...

I mean, he should. I mean, I would mean he should. I mean, I would give six weeks pay, which I just lost because of the strike, to see that. But, okay, but let me just, let me vent more because it's just this fucking, this is me off. Okay. So, he has used his campaign platform and his famous name to promote misinformation. And again, who's misinformation? Because I seem to remember washing the mail for three days for about six months before they said, oh, yeah, oh, we got that wrong. I'm not saying they're corrupt for getting that wrong.

They, my overarching thing about medicine and vaccines and all of it is that people just don't see how much we're at the infancy of understanding how the human body works. And they get so much wrong. Just last year, they got, they announced they got metabolism wrong. Metabolism is a pretty basic thing. They also got much wrong. Just last year they got, they announced they got metabolism wrong. Metabolism is a pretty basic thing. They also got depression wrong. It's not this evertonin. That was, they got the wrong culprit. Look at these are some basic things. They really don't know that much. Doctors have a bad attitude and arrogant attitude of like, we know so much more than we used to. Yeah, more than we used to. My liver doesn't care about that.

My liver only cares about what you're probably going to know in 100 years. We have incurred cancer or Parkinson's or any, a million things. So don't sit there with the white lab coat and look at me like, just do what we say, one of we ever got anyone wrong. You got a lot wrong, including about COVID. They said the vaccine would not, I mean, you couldn't pass it or get it and they were wrong about both.

In my personal history, I didn't have it for 14 months when we didn't have it. I didn't want to get it, but I knew I couldn't do my job if I didn't. So I didn't get COVID the whole 14 months and I was not trying to avoid it. Some people would say I was trying to get it. And then as soon as I got the vaccine, like a month later, I got COVID. I think they're connected because I think the human body is like that.

It's very complicated. And when you get the vaccine, it, it, by its design, it lowered my immune system. My immune system is doing fine on its own. That's my point. And then I got it. But because I had the vaccine also might be the reason why when I got it, it wasn't severe at all. I barely knew I had it. Do you think that's possible?

Maybe. Here's what the, you know, the science says now, okay, the Cleveland clinic that has studied 50, I think 51,000 employees. And what they say is the vaccine works for about two months. And then it, it, it, it Wayne's precipitously. And it, it, it, within seven months, it has waned into what is called negative efficacy. In other words, if you got the vaccine, you're much more likely to get sick. You're much more likely to get sick. You're much more likely to get it.

I don't know if you're much more likely to get too sick. It did. I think you're much more likely to get it. You're three point five times more likely to get it and the more vaccines you had, the more likely you are to get you are to get COVID. In other words, if you had multiple boosters, you're more likely to get sick. But the question you just asked are you better off, you know, in terms of the kind of ultimate outcome? are you better off avoiding death or serious hospitalization? And my belief about that is there is no advantage to the vaccine, although there are claims

that there are. But the science. Again, I don't think that's framed the right way. There's advantages for some and not others. I just want the person to liberate you to to say yes. If I was 90, I might go get the vaccine tomorrow. I don't know. My issue with this is that every individual is so different. What do you eat? Do you have a fungal infection that's not even diagnosed? How many X-rays have you had? What are your genetics? How many metals are in your body?

There's a million things that could, do you have diabetes, do you have vitamin D and if everything? And how many vaccines? Yes, I would put that in the mix too, have you had. All of this should be taken into account, or I would like to have the liberty to take that in, decide, oh no, I think my immune system

can handle this better, or I'm sure your vaccine is on the level and it's good, but not for me right now. Just like, you know, can you imagine forcing everybody to all take a moxicillin or something? I wouldn't put it past them. I don't want an antibiotic. I'm glad they exist, like I'm glad vaccines exist

in case I need them. I mean, if smallpox came back, wouldn't you get a vaccine for that? Probably would, I've already had it. Smallpox? I've had the smallpox vaccine multiple times. Oh, the vaccine, right. Yeah, so that smallpox was eradicated.

So you're not a nut, okay. Mr. Kennedy, six, oh, here's what you are. It's a long time amplifier and propagator of baseless theories. You know, again, not the editorial page. This is like the regular newspaper. He is repeated to host, Jesus Christ. Okay, so here's the ones they fact check. He said that after the Affordable Care Act of 2010, Democrats were earning more money

from former than Republicans. And then they say, an analysis by stat news says the opposite. Who's right? My understanding is that Democrats, and this is what I said, Democrats prior to the Affordable Care Act, prior to the Battle to the Affordable Care Act, prior to the Battle of the Affordable Care Act, were reluctant to take pharmaceutical money. And so Republicans were getting more money than them. And after the Affordable Care Act, or during that battle, it became permissible, suddenly,

for Democrats to take pharmaceutical money because the pharmaceutical the Obama administration made it deal with the pharmaceutical industry to support the bill. So I believe they're wrong today. I believe the Democrats are getting more money from the former Republican, which is what I think. Even if that's not exactly the case, the spirit of the answer is correct. Yes. Yes.

And Obamacare, I remember that fight very well. Yes. And the first thing they had to do was appease the pharmaceutical man. Exactly. And that was number one job one to getting- Is the only way they could get a pass. Yes. And that is something I've always been a huge credit shot.

And they made the deal with them that there would be no bargaining over drug prices. That was the deal. Okay. Okay, this is my next. Hey, what's my next? Now, you know what, fuck them. I just want to say, I'm doing this for a reason one because I think that they deserve

richly to be mocked for that attitude. I just do not like the attitude. And this gets back to what you said when you first sat down there like, liberals are different than we were kids. These are not our grandfather's liberals. You know, I think liberals are still liberals, but whatever reason woke became the word, I know it's not always blah, blah, blah,

but that's the word people use now for left gone too far. And left just changed their attitude. In a lot of ways, they're the opposite of liberals. I mean, liberalism was about, let's have a color blind society. That's not where they're at. They're at, let's notice race always first and fundamentally as the most important thing.

That's not a good attitude. That's not even appropriate to today, I don't think. And it doesn't make things better. It's divisive. It's divisive. And it's, I don't think it's consistent with, the people I know who run the front lines during this of a rights movement movement that's not the outcome.

But also, the issue of censorship was completely... Liberals had such antipathy towards any kind of censorship. There was no time in history where the people who were censoring free speech with a good guy, they were always the bad guys. Well, now you're doing my show for me because that's, you know, of course, of course, I'm going to take that personally, free speech. Yeah. You know, I mean, and it's so ironic that I, yeah, you're totally right and I know at

first hand, I used to get attacked much more and worried for my job much more from the right. I mean, I did lose politically incorrect because the right got mad at me. Well, I forgot where they got mad at you because I said the war went on right. I was the right. I've had so many scandals as I was blowing the smoke behind the curtain. No, I said it was our first showback after 9-11. And Dinesh D'Souza, the conservative guest, said they were not cowards, they were warriors. And I agreed with him.

And somehow he got in a cab and skated on that and re-emerged as a complete nut. But I said, yeah, the terrorists were in cowards, you know. And of course, there was no moral dimensions that I'm just saying, they stuck with the mission, the suicide mission, although they do have a theory that I'm one of the planes, like the other four guys didn't know it was a suicide mission. So like when the head guy who knew it, you know,

there was five on each plane, when he said, okay, take off your clothes, because that's what you have to do before you die, they were like, I'm sorry. I thought we were, I thought we were, I thought we were headed to Teeterboro. Yeah, no, but I also got to say, and I'm kind of stealing my thunder from a friend of mine, who you would know when I'm not going to say, and I'm kind of stealing my thunder from a friend of mine, who you would know when I'm not going to mention, who really said this, but I totally agree with it.

Whether you're right or wrong, I think you're mostly right about this issue, especially the vaccine issue, the guts and the integrity to take that stand and stick and buy your guns when media, you lose the New York Times, family. That, to me, is a parable. I hope you use that in your air. I hope to use that in your air space. You're not a bird from my actual...

I can do another take, but I really think that was the winner. Yeah, so can I plug my, I'm not getting rid of you. I want to, you're never leaving here. I just want to plug my tour dates. August 19th, I'll be at the Charlotte at the Evans Auditorium, August 20th, Columbia Township Auditorium September 1st. Austin, I'll be the ACL live theater, I'm at the Moody and at September second, the Grand Prairie, I think that's Dallas, Texas, Texas, Texas, trust, see you.

Okay. So can I do a blog? Yes, and Bobby, you're running for president of the United States. I think we have a clip of, no, yes, do a... I'm Robert F. Kennedy to the podcast, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. podcast,

and it's on all platforms. And if you're inclined to give money to the campaign, Kennedy24.com. Please contribute $5 $10 $20. We will use every penny effectively. Thank you. So what do you what do you see for like sketch me the campaign in the next year? Your side of it, the Democratic side, and the Republican side with Trump now. He's now got, I think, 11. How many people are, I think, they're 11 in that race.

Oh, on the Republican side? Yes. Oh, yeah, everybody's jumping in there. A double digit. Mike Pence, that's gonna excite the base. Mike's favorite food is water for the table. But so, where do you think, so, on the Democratic side, do you think anybody else will jump in like Abed Nusom? I think, uh, Gavin would like to jump in, but I don't think he'll do it as long as Biden's. Right. So, I kind of say about Joe Biden. He's fine.

Look, I said it a long time ago on my show, he's like non-dairy creamer. He's nobody's first choice, but he gets the job done. So, that's like a joke in my act. It's all for myself. But it's true. He's like McDonald's when you're overseas. You know, it's just, it's comforting. It's not the thing you're really wanting.

But it does, it gets the job done. I think he's kind of snake bit. It's like he's actually accomplished more legislatively than I thought a Democrat could in this atmosphere. Like actually got bills passed about infrastructure and shit that matters that, again, don't make the things that make people pull the lever, you know, because they don't hear about it. Like that bridge that didn't fall and kill you. A Democrat built that.

You know, that, this is, I think they do a bad job at that. But, okay, so, if it's just Biden and you, you think you can marry Ann Williams until... Okay, Mary Ann Williams. I like Mary Ann Williams and she's not a nut either. You know, people have such a low tolerance these days, part of what's wrong, especially on the left, but the right is no prize on this.

They have such a low tolerance for like varying in your viewpoint, even by a little bit. You know, there's a lot of, well, unfriend you. You know, you voted for Donald Trump. Yeah, lots of people voted for Donald Trump. It doesn't make them bad people. That, I think, is a fundamental problem in our country. People think if you like Trump,

or a lot of people don't like him, and they still vote for him, because they think he's less crazy than the woke. That's, that to me, is the essence of our politics. Trump can win because people think, he, that madman is less crazy than woke shit. And I get it. I totally get it.

That's your freedom of speech thing. People don't like losing that. People don't like walking on eggshells, you know? Yeah, I know I'm against the cancel culture. I just, I think we should, we need to talk to each other. We, you know, we need to talk to people with whom we disagree. And we need to be able to learn the skill of, of, of talking gently and respectfully to each other, say what you mean, but don't say it mean.

And accepting that people are different, they were raised different, they think different than you, they live in a different part of the country, stop being in there, you're little silos. Right? Yeah. I mean, your problem actually is the reverse. A lot of your natural constituency now is actually in the Republican party. Our independence, my biggest group, my biggest cohort is independence and then

I have a lot of public. I've always felt comfortable talking. I mean, listen, I started my environmental career representing commercial fishermen and recreational fish and built water keeper lines, which was, you know, which organized in those communities all over the country. A lot of the people that I was representing were former Marines, who started the Riverkeeper organization. And a lot of the Republicans. And, you know, I felt it was important to work on the front lines,

getting people into the environmental movement who felt a strange for mainstream environmentalism. And I was, for 30 years, I was the only environmentalist going on Fox News. I went on Hannity multiple times, again, like weekly, I was going on Neil Cavuto, Hannity multiple times, you know, again, like weekly, I was going on Neil Cabuto, Hannity, Bill, or Ily, because I think it's really important to talk with people with only disagree. Did you ever meet Roger else?

I don't remember, but I may have. I think he asked me to twirl once. So he had a bad, he got, he got cancelled. And I spent when I was 19, I spent three months in a tent with him in Africa. Oh, that sounds wrong. Well, you want to phrase that probably was. Wait, three months in Africa in a tent with Roger Ailes? Yeah.

I'm God, Demo, where's the writers? We're not on strike, this is gold. It was so white, tell me why, what, why? He had just finished the Nixon campaign. So he was the, you know, he was the communication advertising director for Nixon. And then he had started the, I think the Murf Griffin show was one of his, really? Yeah.

Murf, yeah, he started the Murf Griffin show. Did he know Murf was gay? Was Murf gay? Was Murf gay? I was on that show a bunch of times. Well, I'm glad nothing happened. That was in a time when nobody was gay. Merv, I love Merv.

When I was a starting-out comic in the 80s, if you were lucky, you were in Mom the Rise, you did the Merv Griffin show. Yeah. Of course, you had to do it after you did the Johnny Carson show. They were the King. But Merv was always so sweet kind. They taped like three shows, I remember,

3.34, 3.30, and 5.30, you know, if it was 3.30, it was on Hollywood Boulevard, you'd get an audience of old ladies, trying to do my 26 year old hip material about the new Sony Walkman, or whatever the fuck I'm talking about. I remember, would just be like, ooh, funny stuff, that's great stuff.

You know, he just turned out to be like a billionaire. Yeah, he did really well. Anyway, so you're in a tent with Roger A.O. Roger. You start sun-zipping your jacket. Roger, at a friend, he had a friend who had started an insurance company in Kenya, life insurance, which it was the first they had discovered. There was no life insurance company in Africa or East Africa.

And they thought this was a territory that they could open up in a exploit. But as it turns out, there was no appetite for mine. You're spending your money after you were dead on people for your relatives. The concept was, like, why would I do that? But why were you there? So that person, the person who started that insurance company had then shut the insurance company because they couldn't sell any policies. But they had brought cash

there, a lot of cash in order to pay off policies. And when they tried to leave the country with a cash, the government told them you can't do it. And so he had proposed to Roger or Roger proposed to him that the way to get it out was to spend it making a TV series and then sell the series abroad. So you can hire local people to do the series and that's what he did. He hired me to do a TV series on African mod life and culture. Because you had a reputation already of somebody who was... No, the environment. Yeah. Yeah. And how did this experience change you and how it will affect the campaign and

if you should win the presidency of the United States. This experience, of all the experiences you've had, in this story of life. It got me because I had, I continued to have this weird relationship with Roger throughout his career, because this was before he started Fox News. Always in a tent?

No. Oh. He was a very funny guy. Roger Al. He really. I can see that. He was like a comedian. You know, who's funny and culture?

Is it is an incredibly funny in a green room with her one time? But I don't know, really. But it makes sense. You're in a green room with her. Yeah. No, I mean, again, everyone says that. It's insane. I believe I have never fucked a Republican.

I, again, I would. It's like you just, you vibe with certain people. I honestly can't, I know a couple I tried. But they're Republicans. they didn't do it. They're laws. Anyway, no. Well, yeah, Larry did that. I'd show about that.

Larry. David. What show? What's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your , what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your What's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your What's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your What's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your, what's your And after this had occurred. It was an episode of Curb where he had kind of an arc over the season that when he married

Cheryl and he did this was real marriage, he couldn't commit to the marriage because he felt that he could not imagine going out his entire life without ever sleeping with another woman. So she agreed to a condition that after they were married, I think for 10 years, that he could have one night off. A whole pass. A whole pass.

And so, yeah. So the woman who was coming on to him at that, but she, you know, Cheryl says to him, you go ahead, because she doesn't believe he can get anybody to sleep with him. Exactly. But there was a woman, he was shooting at that time for Mel Brooks, the producers. He was making the play.

And the cast member who plays, you know, the secretary, the Ditsi Secretary was a blonde German woman. And she was, she had the odds for Larry. This is the end of the show. Really? Yeah, and so she agrees to this, you know, to this union. And he, they go into their dressing room to consummate it. And he's getting his contrast.

And he sees a picture that she has of Ronald Reagan on the wall. And it just, it kills it for him. Really? It always got me hard. But you know, he was such a prick. God, when you think about where the Republican Party was under Reagan and how I put- I don't think this is- oh, show is going to help me in my campaign. I think it's going to help you a lot.

Honestly, I said this year and a half hour ago, you're making a bet. Lean into that bet. The bet is America is at a different place and they are. I'm telling you, what do you have to lose as Trump used it? What do you have to lose? I mean, you know, look, everybody was very impressed when you came out at 20%. I wouldn't have guessed that. That's a very high, and obviously some of that is name recognition, but it's also tapping into something.

Now, that's a raging river. Can you channel that the right way? And also, what are you going to do when you're, okay, so you're the nominee. Now, you have to debate Trump with... Yeah, I feel like I'm the only Democrat who can beat Trump in a debate. Yeah, that may be true. Yeah, that may very well be true.

I mean, one of the reasons for that is I can hold. I can hold them responsible for the lockdowns. Lockdowns cost our country $16 trillion and they shifted $4 trillion in wealth from the middle class to the super rich week. The lockdowns, while he was present, created a billionaire day and bankrupt and bankrupted I mean he shut down three billion businesses. Well you're preaching to the converted on this right? I don't think at the any of the other Democrats can talk about that issue. I mean and I feel like I am that my element is debating people. Just the again I'm not on your level

with knowing all the science, but just on the macro, just this idea we have in this country, this which was exacerbated by this, that we can avoid germs. It's not healthy. And you can't- I'm not gonna talk about this in debate. And you recommending this?

Oh, no, but the debates will become about medical issues. We've never seen it. The nobody wants to debate me about medical issues. But okay, but they're going to, because you don't have to be right to win. You just have to get the crowd to think you're right or to applaud or to want to believe what you... You're fighting to get something very powerful, which is that people, when it's their health, they're super scared. So what are people doing? They're scared. They create this idea that there's this safe place.

And what is the safe place? Western medicine, doctors, he's a doctor, he's got a, if someone has a white lab coat on, they think God is talking. That's the problem with the science people. You know, the ones who are wearing masks walking alone outside, still, these morons. These, when they say the science, yes, thatules, yes, that's when you lose me completely. Anyway, I'm just saying, I've litigated hundreds of losses, almost all of those losses involved, some kind of scientific controversy. And every one of those law says there's experts on both sides.

So when I sued Monsanto, I had experts from Yale from Harvard and Stanford and Monsanto had experts from Yale, Monsanto, Yale Stanford and Harvard. And the jury believed our experts. There's always experts on both sides of every read. Right, and you can pay someone to be paid somebody. They're called by ostriches. But, like, that, see, these kind of things, which seem a little boring and a little a within the past, but these are the kind of things I think really need to be brought to the forefront of your campaign. You sued Monsanto. I think a lot of people are in the belief that I am

that Monsanto kind of evil as far as my health goes. Like I know you wanna grow as many crops as you can and you wanna kill all the bugs and you don't care what dies with the bugs, but I was never a big Monsanto fan. So this as a voter, if my votes up for grabs, and I hear, oh Bobby Kennedy, you know, he sued Monsanto fan. So this as a voter if my votes up for grabs and I hear oh Bobby Kennedy you know he sued Monsanto he's the guy you went after that

company with the fucking round up and the well whatever that shit is that be like yes there's a guy who did something because so much of this is just talk I mean what is Trump It's just all talk. They don't, they don't approach it rationally. That he could, he always has, comes on stage with that promises kept banner behind him. Like, what promise does this guy ever keep? They don't care.

So, I don't forget what the lesson was there, but I'm telling you, I'm gonna be your campaign manager before this is over. Or at least my debate coach. You're not gonna, your voice is a lot better. I gotta tell you, I haven't talked you in a while. I don't know what you did or what you've been doing. I had surgery.

I was like, okay, well there you, that settles that. Good. I did it. I went to Japan. So you, like I believe that surgery, like antibiotics, like vaccines that we don't need, should be avoided, but we're glad they exist when you have to have them. I mean, if surgery didn't exist, I'd be in trouble.

Yeah. So, and again, Western medicine, you know what it does great? It's like when you're almost dead, it can stop that from happening. Like, it's great in the 24th hour. You know what I mean? It's preventive medicine. They don't even know about it. They don't care about it.

It's all I care about is Yeah, she's something you consider yourself health conscious to the extreme so Challenge you to find someone more health consciousconscious than me. Can I get a light? So what does that mean to you? Well, I mean, what is in here, for example? That is liquid pot. Bobby, liquid pot. That's what a pot that I am. Even when I'm drinking, I'm smoking pot. No, it's tequila. It's tequila.

I just don't want to give any tequila particular brand a advertisement until they pay me for it. Yeah, that's the idea. After all, we are not communists. Okay. I mean, you're a capitalist, right? You believe in capitalism? Yeah, free markets. Thank you.

That's something a Democrat needs to say. Democrat your tooth suspect about, You believe in capitalism? Yeah, free markets. Thank you. I don't mind. That's something a Democrat needs to say. Democrat are too suspect about, first of all, they have an image, especially in an immigrants, of they're kind of down on their own country, a little too much. Yes, we have a sorry past. It is the past. You can't do anything about it now. I mean, you can do things about it now, but you can't all be about the past. And we're just basically more pessimistic

and critical of ourselves than we are almost any other country. We do have a lot of problems and a lot of problems, but Democrats do not have a good reputation for being like, yeah, America, fuck yeah. You know? You consider yourself a Democrat? No, I never said I was either one. I was careful to say I do caucus with the Democrats.

I was a liberal, an old school liberal, not a woke liberal, but a Kennedy Democrat. A Kennedy Democrat and an Obama Democrat. When Trump was at a... Remember you telling me that you're half Jewish, half Irish. Half Catholic, yes. I was raised Catholic. And was your... That could be an Irish name.

Listen, don't get me on this subject because I... I love my father. But once they're gone, he's been gone 30 years or something, you don't think about them a lot. Canadiens make me think about my father because my father was an Irish Catholic who for him in 1960, Fort World War II, just like Joe Kennedy and so many others.

So they had that bond and they won and they were feeling good. And now an Irish Catholic is running for the White House. And one, we love his politics. And I mean, you're, you know, your family is charismatic. I mean, that does count for a lot. So he was in his element. And he also loved Pope John, who was the Pope of time. He was the liberal Pope. When Pope Paul took over after him, my father got

very disinterested in the Catholic Church to which I say, fucking thank you, Jesus, because he finally quit it. And I didn't have to go to church anymore. When I was 13, until then, it was Polon Teeth. But yes, the idea of an Irish Catholic liberal, good-looking, for a president, and my father had little kids at the time. So you have little kids, you won the war, your dude is the pope. Was he in the military? Yes, World War II, I'm telling you, my mother there.

Well, they knew each other in high school briefly, but my mother was a nurse, and he was in patents army. They, I think they hooked up, and I don't know if they hooked up. And then, too bad they're gone, I can't ask them, but they probably did, fuck, for fuck's sake, it was the war theater. You're gonna hook up, but they saw each other in, I, for fuck's sake, it was the war theater. You're gonna hook up.

But they saw each other in, I think, France. And then, I don't know, it was, you know, like, 1945, it was the end, I think. But the war was still going on. They were a romantic way to start, you know. Yeah, and what did your dad do? He was in radio. Radio news.

So news was always in my family. It's probably why I went into this. He was kind of funny around the house and with his friends and he was in news on kids, you know. I mean, I always thought it was so interesting that there's 11 kids in your family. But you're the one who got the name Robert and you're the one who most resembles him.

In both, like physically, and what you say, I don't know if your father would agree with everything you say, but I think he'd be very proud of you. Oh, thank you. I do think that, because he was such a ballsy guy. I remember my father once illustrating to me, and it's so interesting, we'd read that thing from the times. He was telling me about, you know, media and like how there could never,

I think they were saying something like Time Magazine isn't objective. And he was saying, you can never be truly objective. And he said, if you love Bobby Kennedy, he's determined. If you hate him, he's ruthless. He used your father as the example. But I know he liked him. Yeah, that was kind of a common assessment. And then your mom was Jewish from life. Yeah, but not like a... She never, I think, was in a temple. I've never been in a temple. What was your last name? Her last name? Herman. Herman? Berman. Berman, OK.

Yeah. So it was like in German. Yeah, Hungarian. Hungarian. They moved to the suburbs of New Jersey in 1956. I think the year I was born, maybe the year before. And my mother walked across the street to say hello to the neighbor, Mrs. Schmidt.

And Mrs. Schmidt said to my mother, we're so happy Jews didn't move here. Because she didn't know. My name is Mrs. Mar. He didn't look Jewish. And my mother never spoke to her for the next 30 years, but they lived there. But that's where America was in 1955. Yeah. No, I remember what my uncle did.

I mean, a black person in that neighborhood would be unthinkable. America was in 1955. No, I remember what my uncle thought of. I mean, a black person in that neighborhood would be unthinkable. I remember what my uncle ran, you know, and we were, you know, they were calling us macro snatchers, which was the, you know, the majority of our Catholics. Because we had fish on the white. Macro snatchers. Macro snatchers. Yeah, because they, because we had fish on Fridays.

Oh, so do I. I assume that's why, but I know that was one of the presriordists I heard, but they had one of my uncle, and there was tremendous anti-calac prejudice because they thought the Pope was coming to the White House and that he would be running things there. That was the big issue in the campaign. That was the big issue. Oh, yes.

They thought John F. Kennedy was going to take orders from the Pope because he's got to have. Yeah, and there was actually my wife, Mary Richardson, who died, was an architect. And she worked for an architecture firm that, the head of the firm, there was a gay guy ran the firm, and then a woman, a wasp, a woman named Sister Parrish. She had, because a, a, sister is a wasp name. Sometimes they use that.

I gotta explain wasp name. Sometimes they use that. I gotta explain wasp, because I've noticed, I'm sorry, through time, like that's something for only our generation. People don't know what I mean. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, which they were the people who rule the whole country. They were in the whole country.

Yeah. Anyway, this woman had decorated with Jackie hired her to decorate the White House. And she came from a very conservative design firm in New York. There was very extremely high-end. Of course, Jackie was very conscious of style. But when it hit the newspaper, at the woman who was decorating the White House

was named Sister Parish. There was, you know, an outrage coming from the Southern Baptist and people who said, oh, he has a nun who is now decorating the White House who is Wow. So, can you actually imagine living in the White House? It must have so many positive and negative memories. Yeah, I mean, my cousins were raised in the White House, and we went over there and played with them all the time. So I'm, you know, familiar with the building. And, you know, I went, I was, I was there often as a kid. My father was working just on this street in the Justice Department.

And he'd often have us to lunch and then, and we'd go visit the White House. I went a couple of times to visit. I went once alone to visit my uncle, and I had one. I was six years old. I wrote him a letter saying I wanted to meet with him about the environment. And he had an in and I brought him a salamander, which I actually had caught the salamander the night before.

And it died because we had just switched from well water to a city water at our house. And the city water had chlorine and the chlorine killed this element. So when I went and brought him to my uncle, he was already deceased. And my uncle was pushing him with a pen saying, I don't think he looks well. I mean, not to make everything about the health issue with the... Yeah, go ahead. But like what you just said about chlorine. Now, I probably went through the first 40 years of my life

never thinking about chlorine. I'm just guessing at that number, because learning is an evolution. I was always interested in health to some degree. When I was poor, I couldn't afford to be eat healthy. But you know, I got it at certain point. I still did a lot of pot and stuff, been drunk. Okay, but like I, I way cut down on drinking,

because that's the worst one, right? I mean, of all the things, what? I mean, I cut down, I didn't say give up. I'm not a crazy person. And then I forgot what I was going to say. You were talking about chlorine. Oh, chlorine, yes. Okay.

So there's like one of those things that I know when I talk to people about health issues, a lot of the stuff that we think is absolutely common knowledge is not common knowledge. People don't know antibiotics have bad effects also. They don't know really basic things because, of course, the medicalist out was, it's not in their interest. And when you've seen all those pharmaceutical ads where they quickly give off the side effects of a drug

but, you know, ProZumpkin will make you feel great. But after they tell you, they list like 20 things. You know, it'll make your goal bladder fall out of your ass. There's always people have a line. Blimey. People just want a happy story, but something like Corrine, which is like such a basic, deadly part of our lives,

could be having a big effect on our health. Again, this is like a thick, deadly part of our lives. Could be having a big effect on our health. Again, this is like a true, really important concept that the New York Times is gonna make fun of. But if there is a way for you to like make that seeable to America, I think it's very powerful. You're definitely the one guy to do it. If you're drinking from a water supply that has a lot of algae in it, chlorine can be very dangerous because it produces the interaction between

chlorine and organic material produces a family of chemicals called dry halomethens, which are carcinogenic, they're tertogenic, they're mutagenic. People are aware that it could be bad, but you're right. When we bandlet a gasoline in this country, IQs went up about two points. You can do things to people that could take 10 IQ points off you, and nobody would notice it. Right. But it never about Donald Trump.

So what do you think about them indicting him for the per-line classified files? I mean, I thought the New York case was a terrible case. Me too. And nation never bought that case. And I said that to Cheryl, we had a little bit of a row about that. But we made ours. She really is. Doesn't like Donald Trump.

Oh, it's like Chex, huh? So I said, I said, it's not about whether you like him or not. It's not a good case because it's a very inventive, kind of far-fetched case that, you know, it looks political because there's no reason really that you would bring that case other than if you wanted to get the guy. And it's a sex scandal, and people never see past sex in a sex scandal. I'm not sure that was a sex scandal. It was part of it, I guess it was.

Well, yeah, he was fucking a porn star. How do we get more sex in a sex scandal than that? You're right. And so it was it looked political and positive. You know, I was a prosecutor and prosecutors are supposed to be careful in bringing cases against that may look political and may be optics or political. You want to avoid the fact of the United States of America that politicians are weaponizing the judicial system to hurt their opponents.

Right. It's a bad thing in democracy and And prosecutors have to walk this line. You want to make sure that everybody knows, and no matter how powerful you are, you have to obey the law. Nobody's above the law, but at the same time, you have this countervailing pressure to avoid political weaponizing and your

dissident. And you said it's Yeah, that can't be on the floor because then your opponents the next time are going to do the same thing. And of course it's the one escalating, you know, it's a it's an arms race after that. The one person in the world who this

is a tough dilemma to begin with, but the one person in the world who makes this dilemma even worse, of course, is Donald Trump. Because everything he does, both the impeachment trials, completely justified by the letter of the law and the spirit also. The story of me to anything is completely justified by the letter of the law. I mean, if you want to talk about the campaign to pay somebody. And now this one about the files,

what was in these files is, here's my question, as someone who knows government in and out. How come like, okay, there's plans, they said that we're in the thing to like how we were gonna attack a ran. Why is that in a box? Like, really? We keep that fucking box with Shaq Shou.

I'll tell you that the political issue here is also, I think, very troubling because I think Pence also had, you know, classified and Biden had it. And so the people are going to be saying, well, why am they going after Biden? But I don't know what Biden had or anything like that. And of course, Trump did it 10 times worse in every way because he's Trump. But so anyway, I think it is, you know, there's a part of it that make me nervous. The thing is that I think it is, in this case, whether it was justified to bring the case or not, that it's a really serious problem for him. And the reason for that is I don't even remember seeing at least in, last decade, an important case like this, where a judge allowed the penetration

of the attorney-client privilege. Normally, anything you say to your attorney is privileged and no court can force you to discoordish that and it can't be used against you in any way. It's to protect this relationship with attorneys where you want the client to tell the attorney everything so that they can give you good advice. He's your advocate. He's an extension of yourself.

And you cannot compel him. Nobody can compel him to tell what those conversations were. If you could do that, there are many, many Americans who would be in deep trouble, because people tell things to their attorneys that they can find things in them about laws they broke. The exception for that is if the attorney was I mean if you tell an attorney Help me violate this law It's a you know, it's a conspiracy and In that case the judge will order all of the you know He will award in the penetration of the of the attorney client privilege and in that case all of your conversations become

attorney-client privilege. And in that case all of your conversations become discoverable. It was not just the conversation where you were talking about violating that particular law that they found out about, but every conversation you had with them is now discoverable. And when that happens, you know, I mean the stuff that I've seen is going to be hard for anybody to explain. It's going to be hard for President Trump to explain. I think he's probably, they're probably happy they're in bomb beads trying this because he is popular. Okay.

But take me down the road. So I agree. When I read just some of the statements from his longtime supporters like Bill Barr, who say, oh, well, they got him dead to rights. I mean, okay. So say they try him, say he gets convicted because, you know, the judges can surprise you. I know the judges, supposedly the wrong judge for this case, but the Supreme Court just made a ruling on the Voting Rights Act that surprised

everybody that was what liberals would call the right decision. And I thought it was the right decision. So who knows? Okay, so say they convict him. He's in jail as he's running for president. He could possibly. It does not, it does not, it preclude him from holding the light up because there's only I think three. You know that would be for, you know that would work for him. And we're, you know, the guy who ran against my uncle

or ran against my great grandfather, James Curley, who is the Maribos and my great grandfather, I meanley, who is the Maribos, and my great grandfather, my best friend was the Maribos. And he was elected to Congress while he was in prison. And so, you know, and there are many Huey Long, I think, had... is the greatest accreditor of what a serious person you are. I mean, when you think about the people who have spent time in jail, like Nelson Mandela, and you know what I mean? I've been acting bacon, and not really.

I mean, like, if you spend time in jail for your cause, which I have done. Which you have done, what besides the tent with Roger A. No, I was in jail for the summer of 2001. I was in Madison. 2001? 2001, I was in maximum security prison.

What would you do? Max for in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. Yeah. But it was a federal U.S. federal prison in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. Yeah. But it was a federal, U.S. federal prison in Puerto Rico. Was it better or worse than the elsewhere? It was. It was.

Why? What'd you do? I was suing the Navy for bombing the island of Vegas, which had caused all kinds of assault. Sure. I know that's had human health problems. And I got a crooked judge who, you know, the federal goni of appeals gave me the injunction to clarity, to give me injunction, and he would not enjoy the bombing.

And so the mayor, I was representing the mayor in 10,000 people on the island, and the mayor asked me to do a civil disobedience. And I said, I said, you know, the attorneys are supposed to be officers of the court. So you really are not really supposed to violate the law under most circumstances. But I said to him,

how long will I go to, you know, when I put me in jail? And he said probably just a few hours. And then, you know, when I did it, I ended up in jail for 30 days. And I was in with Eddie almost. You know, Edward James almost. Of course. He came with me. The actor. He had a really interesting thing happen to him. What did he do? He was with me when we got arrested. Oh my God.

A modern Dennis Rivera. Jesus. Who was the head of the biggest labor in the United States, SEIU, and who had gotten me involved in this case? He also was in prison. But there were 140 men on our cell block know, on our cell block. And most of them, about half of them were political prisoners. When I got there about 60,

and the rest of them were murderers, gang, gangsters, everything, but it was really, it was interesting we had, for me it was actually like a vacation because I was, I didn't have a cell phone. And I didn't have to make any decisions. I could only use the phone for 10 minutes today. But it was prison? And it was prison.

And I play basketball. I would never see prison as a vacation. I got to tell you. You're a bad ass. You are. People should know that. Like that's like a big selling point when you're running for prayer.

I mean Trump in his way. I'm telling that nobody is actually watching this program. Oh, there are a lot of people going through this. How many people do you think watch this thing? Oh, we know how millions. Come on. No, podcasting. You could lose me the election with this last hour.

No, this will get a million views easily and Is it your opinion that people are watching this are more like at the moment, but when we really That's right. It's not live There's a writer's strike. We couldn't possibly no No, people anyway, I'll tell you something you You want me to tell you a good story that's... Oh, I'm so glad you're reminding me. Yes, tell me a story and then I... You'll show you this.

Well, you want to show me that? I was going to tell you what happened. No, I want your story. Oh, and we got arrested. We were on a boat and we ran the blockade. We had fishermen on the boat who had mass on the headbock with us on because they had all been arrested. And every time you get arrested, you get more time.

And the numbers were painted out on the boat. And we were pursued by two boats. One of them were filled with people from the band Menuda. Menuda? Menuda, of course. But they got turned back by the Coast Guard Menudo. Wow. The people who came to my trial, Jesse Jackson came to my trial, Nancy Pelosi, he had Benicio

Del Toro, and he came to visit me in Brazil with his ad. The trial was in San Juan? Yeah. Wow. Jesus Christ. And, um, yeah. I mean, that's, uh, and then after you got out of prison, you wrote the band on the run album.

So listen, this is the thing I was given by Israel. No, not Israel. But like, I don't know, it's when Israel was 70. The ambassador used to do our show, very I loved him. Okay, so it's all the people who were good to Israel, you know, right, hold Nebar and this dude, it's Arias Truman. And my dad's in there.

And your dad's in here. Okay, this is what I want to ask you about, because I've heard you talk about this recently, and we don't, on May 26th, 1968, your father, a medistatement that we must defend Israel against aggression from more upper source. Our obligations Israel, unlike our obligation towards other countries, or clear and imperative,

the US should, without delay, sell Israel 50 phantom jets. Okay, a day later, Kennedy's strong plea for the defensive Israel appeared in the Pasadena Independent, the article enraged the Palestinian name Sirhan Sirhan. He wrote in his diary, Robert Eufkaini must be assassinated before June 5th, which was the first anniversary of the 67-6-Day War in Israel.

The Pasadena independent was in his pocket when he committed the act. He was killed because of his support for Israel says Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. That's not the case, That's not the case. That's not the truth. Well, you know, he was, a certain hand was involved in the murder of my father,

but he did not fire the shots that killed my father. Oh, and that... But didn't he want to, but according to this, is that wrong that he read this story, was enraged as a Palestinian? I mean, the idea that the article was in his pocket when he committed the act, is that wrong? That could be right.

You know, I don't speculate as to what happened. Oh, I'd say is that Surah had himself could not have killed my father. And that's what Thomas Nukuchi, who was the coroner. I, you know, and by the way, my entire life, I believe that my uncle was killed by, not by, you know, by a conspiracy. I grew up with people.

And I had doubts about that from when I was little because when I was the day that my uncle was, we were waking my uncle in the East Room of the White House. And I was standing in the four of the White House with my aunt Jackie and with my dad and my mother. And John Lyndon Johnson came in and told us that Jack Ruby had killed Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee for the people who are young people Lee Harvey Oswald was the person who was charged with killing my arrested for killing my uncle. And a day later, he was

killed in the jailhouse by a guy, you know, who came in. A nightclub owner. What? A nightclub owner. A nightclub owner who had a job. Who was, you know, deeply involved with a mob. Not the worst nightclub owner I ever worked for, but...

Yeah. An asshole nonetheless. Anyway, and I had said to my, you know, my dad and my mother at that time, why did he do it? Did he love our family? Because even as a little kid, it didn't make any sense to me. Why would you go do that in public when you're putting your own life at stake? And so that story never made any sense.

And then when I was older, I researched and somebody gave me a book called The Unspeakable. And I read it in the whole story that made sense, but I still believe that my father had been killed by his or his or his or his and confessed to the murder. He pled guilty, and you know, his story is that he has no memory of it, and he stuck with that story for 60 years. So, but Paul, the man who was, there was a man standing, one of my father's best friends, was standing beside him when my father

was shot. And his name was Paul Shreid. He was the deputy director of the United Autoworkers. And he's the guy who recruited Cesar Chavez to the labor movement, the United Farm Workers, and then introduced my father to Cesar Chavez, which was one of the most important relationships that my father had. And the first shot that Cesar Ant fired hit Paul in the head. Paul survived, and he just died less than a year ago, And he spent the last 20 years of his life trying to get a suran out of jail, because he did not believe that a suran could be my father. And I just sort of dismissed what over years I'd hear

that he was that Al Lohanstein, who you may remember, was trying to get my father, a suran out, Al Lohanstein was a congressman, a great friend of my father started the dub Johnson movement. He was later assassinated himself. He became a congressman and was killed. But he fought for many years to get Sir Han Alk and get the case reopened because he did not believe

them. My father was killed by Sir Han, but I never looked into any details. I just assumed There were 77 eyewitnesses Sir Ann killed Robert Kennedy And then post raid made me come over to his house one day and read the audits you reported how did he make me? He told me you have to do this and because He was such a close friend of my father's, and because he himself had been shot, you know, I felt like I couldn't say no to him. When I sat down and read the autopsy report, it became clear to me as would anybody who

read that report that Seran could not have killed my father, which is what Thomas Noguchi, the coroner, the most important coroner, probably an American history, concluded also and said in his autobiography. And here's what happened the short story. Surran fired two shots of my father. He was five feet away. There was, as I said, many, many. There was an absolute mayhem in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel. My father just won the primary. He said from this age, and now it's on to Chicago, which is where the convention was, and he walks off this age, and he went into a route that was not expected. He was led into a route through the kitchen, which he was not supposed to go to, and waiting in the kitchen in an ambush was Sirhan Sirhan, standing in front of his steam table.

And as my father approached the steam table, Sirhan fired it in two shots. One of those hit Paul Shreid. The other one went past my father's ear and hit a door jam behind my father, a wooden door jam from which it was later removed by the LAPD. Sir Ann was then grabbed by six men in a dog pile and he was backed onto the steam table. And his hand, the great Franch Hansen who was a great friend of mine, one of my father's close friend, he was the de Kaplan Gold Medal winner in 1960. He was one of the people grabbed it and he was the one who actually grabbed his hand and he said,

that Sir Hand who said, tiny little man, I've been to meet him in Visitive in prison. He said, the tiniest, tiniest little guy, but Ray for Settie had superhuman strength and he could not get that gun out of his hand. And Surah now was pointing the gun away from my father and fired six more shots. So there's eight shots in the barrel. He fired six in the other direction, the opposite direction from where my father was. All of those shots hit people. So we know who they hit. We know what happened to all of those bullets. One person got shot twice, you know, once through his clothing. And my father was shot four times from behind.

And so it was the same scenario as I was looking. So let me just finish a taxi and a real shooter. Right. So he was a instructor. And the real shooter was behind my father, who was a man called Eugene Thensayzer, who was a security guard who worked for Lockheed. He was a CIA operative.

He was a vocal vocal racist who hated the candidates. And he had been the one who led my father through the kitchen toward the ambush. He was holding my father's arm. He drew his gun. Right. And my father was shot four times from behind. One of the shots passed through the shoulder pad of his,

armlessly through the shoulder pad of his armlessly, through the shoulder pad of his coat. The other two were into his back and then one behind his ear, which was the fatal shot. And all of the shots had an uphill trajectory. So, and all of them, and this was with the autopsy found, were contact shots. So, the barrel of the gun was touching my father's body or his clothing and they left carbon, the discharge enough carbon tattoos were less than an inch from his skin. So they left carbon tattoos on his flesh. And the autopsy was an exquisite autopsy. It's called the perfect autopsy, Thomas Nukuchi, who knew what had happened to President Kennedy's autopsy,

which loaded with scandal did not want the same thing to happen in LA, and he said, we're not gonna do Dallas again. So he flew in the top corners from all of the armed services, the Army Air Force Navy Marines, to observe what he was doing. And his autopsy is called the perfect autopsy in the medical literature. And you know, he concluded that the shots had come from behind, and there were 77 eyewitnesses

who saw that Sir Han was never behind my father. He was always in front of him, always about five feet away, and all the shots that killed who saw that Sir Han was never behind my father. He was always in front of him, always about five feet away. And all the shots that killed him now. It seemed so open. He fell and as if my father fell, he must have known he was being shot from behind

because he turned around and grabbed off Caesar's clip on tie. And you can see pictures of him lying on the floor and he's actually lying on top of says or with the clip on tie in his hand. And there's pictures of says or without his tie on. He's or pushed my father off him and stood up. He was knocked out when my father fell onto him. He stood up and was seen with his gun. The police did not confiscate the gun that night, and they asked him why, what he was doing, he said he drove it through the gun to shoot at Sir Han. And then that's the beginning of the story.

And then Zezer made a series of changing, deceptive, lying statements after that in the different times he was a question over many, many years. I can not tell you what happened. I, you know, I, I can speculate about it, but I can tell you that I cannot see anyway and that anybody can read that autopsy report and believe that Suran killed my father. And that's my point is that it ought to be investigated. There was no trial. It was a show trial. An attorney whose name was a grant, I forget what his last name. He appeared, nobody knows how, and became Sir Anne's attorney.

Who was he? He was the attorney for Johnny Razzelli, the mobster who was implicated in John Kennedy's assassination in Dallas five years earlier, and was later chopped up and put in a barrel when the assassination committee summons him to testify. When the church committee summons him, and in this came Bay Miami, he was found in Miami. He disappeared the day he was supposed to testify in front of the church committee on the assassination.

He was involved at that time in the Friars Club scandal. So, you know what the Friars Club scandal is. No. You know what the Friars Club is. You certainly do that. Right. Okay. And you've probably been there in Folly Rose and stuff.

Yes. So, that was... Ron Byt Roselli was one of the people who was running it and the other the Mickey Cohen, the LA mobster. Yeah. And they had, they were doing card games there. So they had poker games. It was a place where the famous people, you know, comedians were playing.

Yeah, they're close. And they had installed cameras and the ceiling so they could read everybody's hands. And they got busted for it. And that trial was going on when my father was killed. And the attorney for Rosalie at that time was the guy who weirdly showed up. Nobody can explain why and became Sir Hans attorney. And he was under federal investigation because somehow Rosalie had been able to obtain the grand jury testimony, which is utterly, that's a jailhouse sentence.

You cannot, you, that is like stealing the US mail. If you steal grand jury testimony, it's such a serious crime that you're gonna go to jail. The lawyer got playing for it. So he was on himself as under federal investigation and was about to get disbard. And he then represented Surin. He was involved in good sealing evidence. He was the one who told Surhan to plead guilty. And he blocked the ballistic evidence. The bullets that killed my father were different than the bullets. It came from a different gun than the bullets that killed other people or shot other people,

nobody else died. So anyway, there's a lot of questions that should be answered. And if you look at the evidence, it doesn't make any sense. And then the LAPD, I'll never trust the guy in a bow tie again. I mean, a good point. A good point.

But it just must be so frustrating that this seems like so clear cut, but like the whole world thinks the reverse. I mean, that's kind of the conspiracy theory. Yeah, well, that's, yeah, but it's not. I mean, it convinced me. Anyway, I'm going gonna let you go. I hope this does well for your campaign.

I really think you in the mix is a great thing. Because certainly somebody's gotta keep them honest. And the one thing I can count on you, when we ever agree on everything, no! Who do you agree I'd I with it? Nobody. And you shouldn't. We're humans. But do you agree, I'd I with it? Nobody, and you shouldn't, we're humans.

But, you know, somebody has to keep them honest. And the one thing I think I can count on you is, you're not a guy who's going to shake the Etruscatch memorandum in Romney, shake the, like, you're not gonna attack. I don't think, or maybe you will. I don't know, maybe, you know, when if you get close, it's going to be very tempting

to, you know, go more to the center and dissapear. Nothing in your past tells me you'll do that. You are a guy, you love me or hate me. Disown me, I am sticking to what I know, or what I believe I know. That I think I can count on. That's going to, I know, or what I believe I know. That, I think I can count on. That's gonna, I think that's gonna count a lot. Count a lot with me.

Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it. All right, good luck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need help getting out of this?

Yeah. I need help in general. I need help in general. I need help in general. I need help in general. Wow, you're such a tea toddler and I look like such a drone.