Club Random with Bill Maher - Scott Galloway | Club Random with Bill Maher
Episode Date: August 24, 2026Scott Galloway joins Bill Maher for a wide-ranging conversation about the state of American men, modern dating, AI, and the economy. The bestselling author, host of The Prof G Pod, and co-host of Pivo...t argues that young men have more agency than they think, and that learning to handle rejection is part of moving forward. He and Bill get into porn, the incel movement, the manosphere, why humor and kindness still matter, and why men should pick up the check. Galloway tells the story of meeting his wife, debates Bill on the existential risks of AI, and weighs in on China’s growing AI advantage, tariffs, capitalism, the shrinking middle class, inherited wealth, and whether older generations have tilted the economy too far in their own favor.. Support our Advertisers: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code RANDOM at https://www.oneskin.co/RANDOM #oneskinpod Head to https://www.Superpower.com and use code RANDOM at checkout for $20 off your membership. #sponsored Visit https://www.hims.com slash clubrandom to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Download the Kalshi app and use code RANDOM to get $10 when you trade $10. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: https://billmaher.substack.com Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: PodcastPartnerships@Studio71us.com ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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The number of times that's happened to me, as controversial as I am in the number of years I've been on,
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saw you five minutes ago when I was on your podcast. Yeah, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is
How many people do you think will watch both?
Oh, Bill, I have dozens and dozens of fans.
You have a lot of fans.
No.
I got to tell you, like, my impression was like...
I'm drunk already.
I'm going to loosen you up because we know you were a brilliant guy.
Oh, yeah.
What do you drink?
I drink Maker's Mark and Ginger Ale because it makes my voice deeper the next day, which means I'm more authoritative.
You said that you don't teach anymore.
Well, I teach. I do an online class, but I haven't taught since COVID because, as we said in the last, I got so upset.
Then how do you meet co-eds to cheat with?
There we go.
First spit-take. Put it in the spit-take reel.
I wasn't even planned.
We have a reel. We have a reel of spit-takes.
No, I have a healthy rule that anyone I work with or is in my class flies up and locked.
I just think that's a survival instinct.
What is?
Not fucking your students for anyone you work with, Bill.
I just think that's a good idea.
Generally speaking, it's just a good idea.
It's a good idea.
By the way, one in three relationships.
I never did it either.
One and three relationships begin at work.
My companies have had 12 weddings.
99% of them are consensual.
If you don't know how to navigate office politics
to ask someone out for coffee
and figure out if it's appropriate
or not appropriate, you've got bigger problems.
I'm actually a...
I think remote work has been terrible
for young people in relationships.
I mean, you are associated
among all America's intellectuals,
and of course we're talking about a small group of people,
but you are certainly among them.
Nobody is thought of as more,
I would say, a voice and authority
on this kind of issue.
I mean, as I always say...
On my side, there are much more credible voices
on the other side.
I don't know what the other side is,
but I know that whenever you're on the show,
I always do the same joke.
Scott has been thinking a lot about little boys.
Are you talking about young boys?
I thought you were going to talk about me,
about I think young people should drink more.
No, no, but you talk a lot of.
lot about lost boys.
Yeah.
And men, and it is true.
I mean, there is a crisis of masculinity in this country.
I don't know anybody who's limned it more than you
or seems to really understand it more.
Well, imagine yourself, we just talked in the last show
when you're on my pod about your profile at Cornell.
Imagine if you had 24 by 7 Life Like Porn, Netflix,
thinking you could make money,
constant billion times a second AI trying to keep you glued to your phone.
Do you think you would, how do you think you would have dealt with that in Cornell?
But since we're getting super real here.
Yeah?
Okay.
Like the porn thing, I understand why porn is bad.
Absolutely.
I'm not blind to this at all.
In fact, I said it long ago, I don't think a lot of people were saying it.
I get it because I see it.
I don't see like the bad stuff, but I see them, you know, I could click on that.
It just looks, it's rapy, it's domineering.
I grew up on Playboy magazine when it was very tame.
So that's not where I go, but just what's there, the porn, Scott, it's so good.
And I don't see the problem why I'm supposed to hate it.
I get it that a fuck's up young boy.
I'm not a young boy.
And I can separate real sex from this sex.
I'm not expecting real sex to be like this.
They're two completely different categories.
and I can make that distinction in my mind.
I don't feel like it's a bad thing for me.
I think it's just a different kind of pleasure.
Look, we talked about this before,
that the purists are kind of ruining everything,
and what I would suggest is a following.
And it's uncomfortable to say this as a guy my age.
I consume porn.
What I would tell young people is that you need to modulate it
because I think we need to stop demonizing
young men's horniness because wanting to have a relationship and wanting to have sex with someone,
it does the following. It turns you into a better man. I think so. You start thinking about dressing,
you start thinking about kindness practice, you start having a rap, you try to make people laugh,
you take risks, you learn how to endure rejection, and something I just fucking hate is the insult movement.
Guess what? 99% of us, for 99% of history, have been involuntarily celibate. Welcome to the fucking
work with it. It is hard. And the notion that you get some sort of credibility or hall pass in
just back up and say, oh, it's women, it's women are being unfair or unreasonable.
Women have been unfair and unreasonable for thousands of years, and that's why every subsequent
generation is taller and smarter. They're choosier than we are. And young men today...
Wow, wait, wait, that's so interesting. Just say that again. I want to remember that.
That's why we're taller and smarter, because the chicks have been weeding out the loser.
For thousands of years. Right? Isn't that what you're saying?
The chocolate and peanut butter of evolutionary progress is men.
Women want to spread their seed to the four corners of the earth, and women deploy a finer filter screen to pick the smartest, tallest, fastest, and strongest seed.
And that's why our kids are smarter, faster, stronger than the generation before.
Then how do we explain Ryan's secret?
No, it's a joke.
I like Ryan, I love it.
I met him. He's a nice guy.
But if you think of it, so only 40% of men have reproduced throughout history.
80% of women.
In the West, it's 75% of men.
have more agency now than they've ever had. And also, the bar has never been lower. If you're a
dude who's reasonably in shape, has a job, works out, put yourself in the agency of strangers, you put
yourself in the top 20 percent of men. And if you stay in the top 20 percent long enough,
you are going to find yourself being voluntarily insolid, which is fucking awesome. I am so sick
of young men complaining they don't have agency. They have more agency now than you or I had.
They don't have the venues.
They don't have as many places to meet.
But the bar has never been lower in my view.
You're kidding.
They have a fucking menu on their phone that's interminable.
Who was in my homeroom class?
That's what I had.
They have thousands of choices.
Am I wrong about that?
Well, okay, there's some nuance because unfortunately,
while they have thousands of choices,
900 of those choices aren't interested in them.
There is a winner-take most environment.
online. As there has always been
in human nature. I agree. Look, look
the involuntarily celibate movement,
the insult movement, is an
excuse for guys like us where
it was hard to give up.
And the reality is, I was involuntarily
celibate for the first 19 years of my life.
I've said the same... No one would
participate in my plan. I could not agree more.
We just didn't brag about it.
We tried to keep it quiet
because it was embarrassing. The last
thing I wanted to do was trumpet
that I can't get laid.
No, 100%.
So, yes, you're so right.
That's so, it just shows the vast difference in generations.
That's their approach to not being able to get laid.
Join a club.
Join a club with other losers.
I was trying to meet guys who could get laid and maybe I get a runoff.
Well, yes, or, you know, something or, you know, something.
Or I would just, you know, plot.
I plotted.
Like, how can I be attractive to a woman?
You know, that's all gone when you take pride.
in this club you're in.
And by the way, they've taken it to levels
like they think the government,
someone think the government
should subsidize their insultdom
by paying for prostitutes.
That's been put forward as a real plan.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of paying for your own prostitutes.
I think it's much better when you earn it.
Anyways, but look, the whole point,
typically the reward,
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And establishing a romantic relationship
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Yes, I've said this to women many times.
You all think that all the other ones are complete horrors who are giving it up all the time.
And I'm here to tell you they're not.
Of course you want to think that because then it's like, oh, why?
I can't find a guy.
It's because these other ones are all giving it away.
No, they're not.
You're all basically wired the same.
Yes, there are variations or variations up to the point where, you know, trans,
which is, you know, that happens to people.
But generally, women, I always say this,
there's a reason why the bachelor is still odd.
They still basically want the same thing, the majority of them,
which is to find a real connection with someone of the opposite sex.
That's the default setting.
The part that's hard, though, is if you talk to couples who have been together
more than 30 years, there's research here,
70 to 80% say one was more interested in the other.
And it was always the man that was more interested.
Guys want someone cute who's nice to get along with
and who they find attractive,
which is 70% of the women a young man meets.
Women have much finer filters,
but what happens is over time,
the man was able to demonstrate excellence.
I liked how he treated his parents at church.
He was funny.
I liked the way he danced.
He was great at work.
Considerate.
He listened.
He looked in my eyes.
The ultimate turn on, he asked follow-up questions, right?
Where do young men now?
demonstrate excellence. Remote work, remote school. Forty percent of the bars and pubs in London have
closed. So to be fair, it is harder to demonstrate excellence for a man. There aren't as many
on-ramps into the middle class, so they're not as economically viable. But the thing I say,
when I talk about programs to advocate for leveling up young people and young men, you know who
wants more economically and emotionally viable men? Women. I mean, how many times have we heard I know
all these great women and they can't find a man? No, they can't find a man they want to date.
Exactly. Scott, we could make a lot of money with this. You know what? With your sort of like professorial, great, you know, credentials and your esteem in this area. Oh, yeah.
I once did a really funny editor at the end of the show. We did a fake TED talk where I taught men game, G-A-M-E and went through all the things. You know, things as basic as wear a...
You got laid because you're funny.
Collared shirt. There are three. There's research here. The three things women find most attractive.
in terms of the mating market
are one signaling resources, right?
And we don't like to admit that,
but the key word there to signal.
If you don't order another bottle of alcohol at midnight
and you go home because you got shit the next day,
you're signaling resources.
Women like a guy who's in shape,
not because they like big muscles,
but it signals discipline and commitment.
Right.
If you're just good at what you do,
they think at some point you will have resources.
Number two is intellect.
And the fastest way to communicate intellect,
and this is how you and I lost our virginity,
is humor. This is my imitation of a woman or impression of a woman. I'm laughing, I'm laughing,
I'm naked. If you can make a woman laugh, she will have coffee with you. I've always found out.
That was the only game I had was making women laugh. And the super, the secret weapon, the AI guided,
whatever the term is missile, then men don't appreciate is kindness.
All right. I agree with all that. But man, when you have to go. Here we go. When you have to have coffee first,
you're kind of a pussy.
That's what the kids do now.
They don't drink.
I know.
They're pussies.
I have never had coffee
with the women in my life
except after we had sex.
That's just, I'm not going to do.
I'm just not doing the coffee phase.
I'm sorry, I'm not.
I think a lot of...
Coffee is day.
It's not fun.
It's just, mech.
Something else I think you'll agree with.
I think men should always pay for everything.
I could not agree more,
and I always do.
And by the way, you're talking about
signaling.
I swear to God,
I've never done this because I was signaling.
I only did this because I was a lucky person,
worked for a generous network.
And as I said on your other podcast,
I have no expensive hobbies or taste,
so I've accumulated enough money
that I can tip really well.
Right.
You know, and when girls see you tip with 50s and hundreds
to doormen and valets and waitress,
it's very impressive.
And I'm not trying to be impressive.
It just is because of exactly what you're saying.
It does show kindness.
It shows a lot of things.
It's like a fucking man tooth, you know, beating the other mantooth.
Is that an animal, a man tooth?
Every mammal has a courtship process, whether it's birds throwing their feathers
or kangaroos hopping around to demonstrate excellence.
A woman's fertility window is about 25 years.
A man's is 55 years.
Her time is more valuable.
Also, it's not paying for her.
It's compensating because for her to walk in the door cost her $300
between Sephora and waxing and the clothes she has to buy.
In addition, the downside of sex, which most men are hoping is part of the dating process,
is much greater for women for men.
Her time is more valuable.
It costs her more to show up.
I've said to my son, my 18-year-old son, who's just started dating, he's like,
Dad, that's so boomer, I'm like, you pay for everything when you're in the company of woman.
And he's like, that's so boomer, I'm like, okay, just know this.
I don't care what we're going to get shit for this.
I don't care what any woman says.
Don't ever expect to kiss anyone who you let pay.
I could not agree more.
And it should be that way.
And I'll tell you why it should be that way.
I'll tell you why that is actually intellectually defensible and appropriate.
You should pay because there's much higher chance that the person in this relationship who's going to be a rat is the man.
The person in this relationship who's going to be a scumbag, it could.
It could be the woman, but it's much more likely going to be the man.
And that's why the men should pay.
So you're apologizing up front?
I'm not apologizing.
I'm just stating a fact that is absolutely a fact.
When they had Ashley Madison, the cheater website, it was like 12,000 women and 28 million men.
And the 12,000 women were horrors trying to get the...
So it was...
Please.
And just, you know, men do worse things to win.
women, then women do to men in the aggregate.
They just do.
Yeah.
So I am not against the fact that men should pay.
And again, it just is, it's human nature.
Don't make a political mess out of everything.
It just is get on with the next thing.
Yeah, and if a woman asks a man out and you want to pay, have at it.
But I think generally speaking, it just makes sense to show some chivalry, demonstrate valor,
and say, I appreciate your time.
I want to pay for this.
Yeah.
You want to get laid or you don't.
You know, I mean, make up your mind, okay?
That's it.
I'm with it.
But I'm telling you, we could make a lot of money, like opening up a chain.
I'm seeing a chain.
I think you are making a lot of money.
Of how to get laid, like, just seminars or something in the strip mall where, you and I,
all we got to do is make one video, which we show.
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I'm telling you, there is a need.
How do people make money, Scott?
You're an economic whiz.
When they see a need in the market,
what more need in the market is there
for instructing men to actually get women?
Because they don't really want to be sober.
Yeah, but this is part of the grift of the manosphere.
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If I had your hair, I'd be polling number four
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They always said that a bald man couldn't be elected president.
Adleaf Stevenson did not do well.
Dwight Eisenhower did not have a thick furry head ahead of hair.
I think Gavin Newsom is going to be our president.
I think where a looks is sexist, racist, racist country.
And I think a tall hand.
I think the Democratic, the only thing I'm fairly confident about
is that the Democratic nominee will be a straight, white man over six feet tall.
Do you think in general the country is racist and sexist?
In 2026.
Yeah.
That characterizes us in a general way?
Well, okay.
I don't see any reason why Secretary Clinton lost it Donald Trump other than sexism.
I think if she'd had a dick, she'd be our president.
I mean, I'm a fan.
You know, I always thought Hillary would be good.
She's one of the most sort of commonsensical persons, persons, people I've ever seen in politics.
Confident, smart, centrist.
Smart, yes, centrist.
Yeah.
But I also see why she lost, why she rubs people the wrong way.
If she had, I'll give you an example, because I remember covering it, she went into coal country.
And she made a statement that was exactly what you, if you're a rational person, you would want someone to say about this issue, which is you coal miners, you know, you've done this country an incredible service.
We needed coal to make our country grow and run and blah, blah, blah, heat our homes.
But, you know, we found out it's bad for the environment.
And now we want to move on and we want to do that and also help you whatever it is.
They took out like the one part that made it sound like she was.
throwing him under the bus, which she wasn't.
Who wants to be a fucking coal miner?
First of all, the worst job in the world we're trying to save.
Why?
Because you're not getting enough black lung.
So instead of going back there and saying, yeah, I said it and I meant it.
And you assholes who are trying to twist it, that's not what I'm saying.
And she just backtracked and did what Democrats always do.
And pussyed out and said, whatever she said, it was like you lost already.
Trump says a thousand things that are worse,
but he never apologizes for any of them.
It just doubles down, but I would argue that's one of the terrible things about...
Yeah, it's terrible.
I mean, the idea that you can't learn from a mistake and evolve and say I was wrong being disqualifying.
Also, I do think that Fox turns its sights on whoever they think is going to be the Democratic nominee
and to vote 24 by 7 to just shit posting that person.
I think they're doing it to Gavin now.
They're starting to turn their sights on Asoff.
because they'd see he might be a threat.
But this has always been thus.
This is not new that the Republican machine,
and on the other side, I mean, that's what the game is.
You know, I mean, they create ads
that will make you hate the other person.
If you ask me what I think the bottom line problem is,
it's hate.
Everyone is just so hateful of the other side.
You can't, I know this as a stand-up
that if you make the crowd hate you,
You can say the funniest thing in the world they will not learn.
It's done.
And it's the same, I think, in politics.
If they hate you, you could have the greatest plan, the greatest idea, the thing that's actually going to make lives better.
It doesn't matter.
I hate you.
I hate you.
And so I'm going to oppose that and try to sink it and kill it and kill you.
That's where we're at.
That's what we have to try to step back from, but I don't know how you step back from that.
It's also the problem like in the Middle East.
It's like, how do you get people who have been killing each other for 75 years to...
Yeah, I think that, like, we're going to need a bigger boat.
But I don't think people realize how much we've been manipulated by the social media algorithms
that immediately want to identify us as far left, far right,
and want to tickle our sensors by convincing us.
Our enemy is Russian soldiers pouring over the border in Ukraine.
It's your neighbor who has the wrong political sign in his front yard.
And it's coarsening our discourse.
It's treating us, I've had some friends who supported a mayoral candidate here that I was critical of.
I was critical of all of them.
And he was very upset with me.
And I said, boss, you've got to separate your friends from your politics.
Otherwise, you're going to lose 50% of your friends.
And going back to dating, do you remember the political leanings of anyone you dated in your 20s and 30s?
We didn't talk about it.
It's yet another reason why young people aren't hooking up.
You're right.
I mean, it just didn't matter.
It just...
It wasn't our identity.
Now it's become your politics, your identity.
And if I disagree with your politics, then you're not wrong.
You are wrong.
You were...
I may be parroting what you've said, but all of a sudden it's like, we can't get along
because your identity is your politics and I don't like your identity.
Oh, no, I say it all the time.
And you're so right.
I don't remember what anybody's politics were.
And this is especially virulent now because...
The politics of young men versus young women is so different.
It's highly likely that the woman, and by the way, they're both ill-informed.
Right.
Okay, so I'm not being sexist.
Nobody knows anything.
I mean men generally take a slightly bigger interest in politics, but they're morons too.
So, like, the woman is just going to be like the Republicans are, it's, it's, it's,
It's like saying Hitler, you know.
Trust me, I have people compare me.
So they're like unthinkable.
So if the guy voted for Trump, it's just, that's just not even, it's like he's a Nazi.
It's a deal killer.
Yeah, it's like he's a cannibal.
It's just, and the, you know, the guys, of course, being guys, are much less concerned
about something like politics getting in the way of pussy.
Like, I was like that when I was young.
No, I would have changed my political party
if I thought it would have got me later.
I would have said, if she could say I'm a Nazi.
I had a Mondale poster in my fraternity room.
It still didn't work.
Yeah, like, but actually young men have changed less politically than women.
Women have gotten more progressive.
I think a lot of it's because they see an attack on their bodily autonomy,
which I think is justified.
And I think there's a trope or a myth of young men being these knuckle-dragging maga.
Most young men believe in bodily autonomy.
most young men believe in equal rights
I think the manosphere gives
the general media and the public
false impression
Yeah, I would agree with that
I think that's true
Yeah, and some of them are far left
Oh yeah, I mean that's...
I mean, there's lots of young men
Who are wearing kaffaias on campus
And there's that too
Yeah
By the way, they sometimes are both so dumb
That they agree
Like Hassan Piker
You know, he likes Stalin
and so does Nick Fuentes.
Well, that's...
But you've said this.
I think the biggest threat to America
is not climate change.
I don't even sing it.
It's incommate equality,
although that's right up there.
I think it's extremists.
And I think the algorithms are saying
there's no room in the middle.
No one understands you.
Everyone will hate you.
So pick your team and you've got to go dark red
or you've got to go incandescent blue.
And what's weird is when you know something
is a really bad idea
is when these two come together.
They come together on anti-Semitism.
They come together.
They come together on isolationism.
This Chevalier, who's going to be a congressman.
She's about to be the biggest star
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They're going to run her ads over and over and over.
She's against race mixing, which puts her right with, you know.
She's gotten her that one.
Oh, yeah.
She's against race mixing.
She doesn't like it when men of color get with privilegey white girls.
Right.
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You said you do?
I've tried to modulate it because I think young men...
So how do you get...
I heard you heard my justification.
I don't think it interferes with a regular sex wife.
It's super good now.
I mean, I remember when it was really not that good and it was on VHS.
Yeah, it's pretty good now.
So the fact that there's like, and by the way, I've said this on my show, it's sad to me.
It says a lot about the educational system that I can endlessly scroll.
Yeah.
Through like Pornhub, here's the videos that are available.
And it looks like every single girl in this country who didn't go to college is sucking dick for a living.
It's not only fans.
This is not only fans.
I mean, there's that too.
I've never been on OnlyFans.
Yeah, either of I.
This is just Pornhub.
You can scroll endlessly, and there's an endless amount of women who are, you know, 18 to 30 or whatever, 35.
And how many women are doing it?
When I first watched porn, there was like six porn actresses.
Well, there's some scary stats.
In certain areas, lower-income cities, one out of three women under the age of 30 who would,
who would objectively identify is in the top quartile of being attractive are on OnlyFans.
Basically, OnlyFans is a transfer of wealth from lonely men to women who don't have a lot of economic opportunity.
I call it the masturbation economy.
This economy runs on masturbation.
Also, there's a huge semi-pro economy, and that is women with real jobs,
women who are living in cities where they can't afford to live because inflation is so out of control,
and they have a dude in their life, usually an older man who might be people.
paying their rent, and it's become normalized.
So the economics drive, everything, but back to porn, what I would tell young guys,
it's really difficult to tell a young guy not to engage in porn.
I don't know if that's realistic.
What I would say is modulated, because being horny, having the mojo to endure rejection
is one of the keys to meeting somebody.
It is hard to approach a stranger and develop those calluses.
And the reason I went on campus every day...
Calices, I get it.
But the reason I went to college is to mile from here.
The reason I went on campus at UCLA was because I was hoping, in the back of my mind, I wanted to see my friends, and I thought there's a decent chance, a small chance, but a decent chance, I'll meet someone, invite her on a date, and maybe someday have a relationship and sex. And that motivated me to go on campus.
So you quizzed me on your podcast.
Let me finish.
Okay.
At the same time, I think if you're in a relationship, you need to modulate your consumption of porn because I think expressing desire, affectionate.
and sexual desire to your partner
is key to a healthy relationship.
And if you're on porn too much,
that mojo and that desire
starts to diminish.
Just don't jerk off days
you're going to get laid.
Okay, fair enough.
You know, see, that's why we need to work together.
You say it like the professor.
Yeah, yeah.
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By the way, the Manosphere
has been selling this shit
saying this is how you become
I'm a man, unfortunately, it comes off the rails,
and they start talking about dominance and a Lamborghini
and being just a fucking creep.
Who says this?
Who's talking about that?
Oh, my God, the Manistphere.
Everyone from the...
Oh, like Andrew Tade and all those guys.
Oh, there's a whole...
Oh, I know. I saw the documentary on it.
There's a whole cohort of them.
What'd you think of that?
Who did it?
Justin...
Not Justin Thoreau.
Justin's a friend of mine.
Oh.
Yeah, you're right.
Louis Thoreau.
Okay, it was a good documentary,
but...
No knock on Louis Thoreau,
but, you know, he goes around.
around talking to these, you know, really sculpted, beautiful-looking
manosphere guys, and they're all assholes, but I can see why the chicks are
fucking them and not Louis Thoreau.
That's all that good thing going throughout the whole movie.
You watch the whole thing and think, this makes sense?
They go too far, but it's like if I was a chick, come on, we are animals.
It would be that douchebag and not Louis Thore.
I think a lot of women would like a filmmaker who like Louis Thoreau actually.
Really?
I guess we know different women.
The only thing that I thought was a little bit off about that,
and I thought it was really well done,
was that the manosphere, there are actually some positive attributes of it.
It says take care of yourself, be fit, be action-oriented, approach women,
try and get an economic plan.
It starts off fine.
The problem is it then goes to dominance and weirdness.
And choking and like all this shit.
And women as property.
It becomes really unhealthy, real.
It's really fast.
It's, you know what it sounds like?
And most of it's a grift.
Yeah, and you know what it does sound like?
The Taliban.
That's what it says.
You think that's the ultimate manosphere?
Well, isn't Andrew Tate Muslim?
I think so, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying...
I don't think you can blame Islam for Andrew Tate.
I don't think that's more capitalism than Islam.
I don't think you can blame them, but that the ideas about women,
try to deny that they don't fit.
They fit.
they fit in some ways.
Look, I'm not, I admire what you've talked about in terms of the left has no, has, lacks a lot of credibility when they refuse to talk about the gender apartheid that is rampant in many of these nations that are, that are theocracies.
I think that's absolutely true.
I think the manosphere is a function of lonely young men looking for an answer, looking for someone.
to say, I see you, and then the profit incentive and the ability to go online and say these
incendiary things and say, blame women for the romantic problems, blame immigrants for their
economic problems. And you'll solve all of these problems if you just sign up for my cheap,
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I would argue it's more capitalist than any religion, but it's, it's, um, but it's similar to why,
religion works and why it works. You know, people are living lives of quiet desperation in every
generation in every possible way. They're susceptible to solutions. Yeah. Very susceptible. I mean,
I guess we've all done it. Can you think of an example in your, when you were young and dumb,
that you fell for something? Oh gosh, what didn't I fall for? Name six. Well, see, you, what I admire,
Quite frankly, I would have liked to have done what you did.
I wish I didn't have the confidence to do what you did.
I thought that being an investment banker would impress strange women and my mom,
so I got at a job in investment banking.
I didn't even know what it was.
But I thought that society would find me impressive if I got a job working at Morgan Stanley.
And I quickly figured out.
I was terrible at it, and they didn't like me, and I didn't like them.
And so I went back to business school.
Had I had more confidence at UCLA, I would have gone into the entertainment industry.
But the thing that freaked me out about the entertainment industry,
I was at ZBT, like, you know,
a ton of people went into the entertainment industry.
And when they would come back and I would see their success,
it was entirely uncorrelated to their talent.
And that is, and most of them were behind the camera, agents, riders,
but at least for the 10 years,
the people who I would have guessed would have been successful weren't always,
and some other people hit it so big, so fast.
And I'm like, that guy?
Whereas in something like investment banking,
I knew if I thought if I work hard enough,
I'm fairly smart, eventually I'll make money.
I mean, what you're saying about show business is true.
Anybody can hit it.
Staying power?
Enduring.
On the top level, it's generally not, it's mostly the cream does rise to the top.
But yes, there was a lot of shit in the middle.
And anyone, if you really insist on being in show business,
it will find a place for you.
You may lose your dignity and your naked.
an afraid or you're, I don't know, on some reality show or whatever you're doing.
But, you know, you can get in front of a camera.
I think it's increasing.
My understanding is only 23% of, excuse me, 83% of SAG-AFRA member, union members didn't qualify
pay health insurance because they made less than $23,000.
Of course.
My understanding is the industry contracts and it's more about creators, maybe we're, I'm not,
I'm defining the industry to name.
But I've said this for a long time.
Economic prosperity is inversely related to how sexy an industry is.
Well, and show business are the worst odds in the world.
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That's the percentage of people for who this business is good for is very low.
But of course, they see all this.
Who do they read about in the tabloids and see on TV?
It's the people who are, you know, it's Rihanna going to Ebaldi again tonight.
And entourage and people taking pictures.
And, you know, that's what, you know, and boy, you know, this country, it does adore fame.
It just, it's the old, you know, thing that Warhol said about everybody will be famous for 15 minutes.
That was one of the more prescient things anybody ever said, because with social media, you know, anybody can have some level of followers.
It's not like there's this stark demarcation between the famous and the not famous.
It's like this just crazy amounts of people have some level of fame.
If you have a million followers.
I mean, that's so much famous.
One reason why we have so much trouble with community,
because we don't all follow the same people.
I don't know who the people who are 22,
who they're getting their news from.
It's probably not me.
Yeah, the long tail is pretty long.
It's interesting when surveys,
young people would rather be,
given the choice of being famous and rich,
now a decent number,
even sometimes the majority of young people,
would rather be famous.
Yes.
And my father said something to me
right before he passed.
By the way, I think the reason
I'm so nervous when I go on your show,
I'm very nervous is I think my dad's watching.
My dad will only watch two things.
He watched the Toronto Maple Leafs,
and he watch your show.
So whenever I go on your show,
I think my dad's watching me.
Thank you.
Anyways, but he said to me the year before he passed,
he said, I'm worried about you.
My dad's not a very feeling guy.
And I'm like, what's up?
And he said, the key to happiness in America
is to be rich and anonymous,
and you're losing your anonymity.
and it's a threat.
They're going to come for you.
And it really shook me
because I think that I've gotten caught up
in a little bit of fame.
And I have just the right amount of fame.
People are nice to me.
People recognize me.
And the thing I can't get over,
and the reason why I would...
I would say the same about me.
The reason I would really like
mandatory national service
is I can't get over
how awful people are online
and I equally am in just as much disbelief
around how lovely they are in person.
People say the nicest thing
introduce you to their kids.
Exactly.
Want a picture.
And it's not like when you walk into a room, there aren't people in that room, at least in my case, probably yours, who don't like you.
They just don't come up to you.
They exist.
Yeah, they keep it to themselves.
They keep it to themselves.
The number of times that's happened to me, as controversial as I am in the number of years I've been on, it's crazy how few times that's ever happened.
Like less than two hands worth.
You're right.
The people who come up to you are the people who like you.
And for me, I mean, this was my Mark Twain speech was all about the fans.
It's like, you know, I never had the media.
I never had the show business establishment.
What I had was the fans.
They got me.
And the things they say to me are like, oh, okay, that told me, yes, people are understanding
what I'm doing here, not the media.
We're on, I'm curious if you get this because I don't have nearly the footprint you have,
but we're both sort of similar on the political center,
and that is, I think of myself as a raging moderate,
and now in zero to 100, I like to think I'm at 50.
And do you get this?
I get constantly people come up to me and say,
while I don't always agree with everything you say,
I appreciate you make me think.
And I'm like, I don't always agree with what I say.
Ten minutes after I say some shit,
I go, God, that was fucking stupid.
What was I thinking?
Yeah, people really do appreciate the person
who is willing to be in the middle
and willing to adjudicate
every issue that comes along
by the issue.
By the issue.
I always say this to the younger people
are like, get off the lawn person
and you're boomers.
Like, that's not an argument.
That's actually a prejudice.
That's a prejudice.
That's not an argument.
Engage with the idea.
Is the idea of what I'm saying wrong?
If it is, tell me why.
We can have that discussion.
But don't just say, you can't talk
because you're old or, yeah, imagine, you can't talk because you're black or a woman or gay.
It's ridiculous.
But the place we differ a little bit, I'm an agist.
And I think also biology is agist.
And I think a lot of the world's problems can be reverse engineered to assist them that rewards incumbency.
And we end up with people with their finger on the button who are in a hospital somewhere
and clearly can't speak or operate and that people just won't leave the stage.
Yeah, but the price of that is that you throw out with the bathwater people who are absolutely smarter and better because they still have their marbles and they've seen it all.
There's no substitute for having seen things before.
You see patterns.
That's why being older is the great saving grace, wisdom.
And wisdom just comes down to that.
Oh, yeah, I saw that when I was 22 and it fucked me.
hard. I saw it again when I was 30. I still quite hadn't got through my head. Oh, but now I'm
40. You're not going to fool me on that again. And that as a president is a great quality.
Okay. A 65-year-old has seen enough and seen a lot. An 80-year-old needs to see their grandkids more
and have their driver's license taken from them. So Obama, he's probably 66 now, 65. Okay. So in these
certainly got all his marbles. My favorite president, really, in a long, like, I don't know,
Lincoln or somebody who did some great shit. I thought he was a true centrist, you know. I thought
the biggest mistake the Republicans ever made was trying to portray him as a leftist because
he wasn't and it just made you look like racist, which some of you are. Okay, so say he's 10 years
from now and he's no different because he's not obese.
He's not going to be the same person in 10 years, Bill.
Our range shrinks 1% a year from 45.
You know what?
Okay, maybe some people had so much extra.
So I'm 70.
You're saying in five years I'm done, I'm cooked.
No, you're not done, but I don't think you should be able to run for president.
I'm not going to, so you don't have to worry about it.
I think if people want to tune in for a show and listen to you and read you, fine.
But if you can't be a pilot at 65, let me ask you this.
If every world leader...
We're going by what the FAA?
A world leader over the age of 75 decided to leave the stage.
Would the world be a better or worse place?
I don't know.
It's a case-by-case basis.
I am a believer in the individual.
I think it's a terrible idea to tell people at a certain specific age, an arbitrary age, that they are unqualified.
They may very well be the most qualified.
Should we have tests?
Should we have cognitive tests, physical tests?
Yes, sure.
Should Mitch McConnell be able to hide away?
Yes, sure, test.
Should Senator Feinstein have stuck around and fuck women?
and Rick Bader Ginsburg?
You got your answer.
Tests.
There's the right compromise.
Yes, tests.
If they don't pass the test,
if you take the test
and you can't put the square hole
in the square peg,
great, we'll throw you out.
I mean, this is the problem.
This is where the Dian democracy
is working too well
because old people vote,
and they keep voting more old people
into office
who keep voting themselves more money.
Young people don't vote.
The average age of an American is 38,
the average age of an elected representative in Congress is 62.
They don't understand new technologies as well.
They don't bring the creativity and dynamism.
And quite frankly, I'm not sure there's worried about the debt as a young person is.
And also, can they really relate to the struggles of a single mother in our 20s?
Our electorate is a cross between the land of the dead and the golden girls.
It is way too goddamn old.
Yeah, I mean, that's true, too.
I mean, you know, do I pine for Steny Hoyer?
to stay on the job forever?
No.
It's Charles Grassley.
What is he, 94?
Yeah, Charles Grassley.
I mean, but again, these are not people to mourn,
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Say in 10 years, we've changed the law because we seem to be moving in that direction.
And Trump changes.
He says, okay, third term and the Republicans,
because they go along with anything,
but how unconstitutional.
Okay, so you can have a third term.
So this takes 10 years to work through.
And there we are, in 10 years, Obama is 75,
and he is offered the, you know,
he can now run as the Democratic candidate.
Given the test, if I heard him speak,
if he sounded like the old Obama,
I would go for that.
Okay, so should we lower the age limit?
You have to be 35.
Why have we decided a 34-year-old can't run for president, but an 80-year-old can?
Because kids are idiots, Scott.
Are 34-year-olds idiots?
No, they don't have to, it doesn't have to be 34, that's true.
But, I mean, you know, considering they did that in the age when you live to be 38,
I think it was a pretty balsy thing to do.
And I think it spoke of their common sense wisdom that it takes a minute to mature,
Especially since it was only men running.
Yeah, but does it take centuries?
You know what I think actually would be appropriate?
What's that?
Women can run at 25 because they do mature faster and men should wait to 35.
I really believe that's true.
That's an interesting thought.
I mean, it'd be hard to pass to legislature, but I do think that that reflects.
Actually, men can't, supposedly men's prefrontal cortex catches up at 25, but basically
a senior in high school, a senior girl is applying to college against a senior boy, is competing
against a 10th grade girl.
expert on women in their 20s. You may know the book Learning Scott, but I'm telling you, I know this
shit. And like women, they go through a certain period of like wildness and experimentation. It's usually
the college years. By the time they're 25, they're over it. They're not like guys. They don't
want to have wild ways. You know, it's like girls just want to have fun. And you know, where you
really see a bill and you don't see this because you don't have kids. My 15 year old will have
his class over. The boys are dopes. They're fine, but they're dopes. They don't look you in the eye.
They're just kind of there. There are some 15-year-old girls in my son's class that could be the
junior senator from Pennsylvania. How are you, Mr. Galloway? First up, they look 15 going on 30.
They're incredibly mature, incredibly articulate. The weird thing, actually, they don't know if it's
pesticides or hormones, but the gap in maturity between boys and girls is actually broadening.
Boys' testicles are descending later.
Girls are menstruating earlier.
The maturity gap is actually widening.
Anyways, I don't mean, I'm an ageist.
I think on balance, if we're going to test doctors,
if we're going to test pilots, let's test our politician.
So I told you my, you asked me, so you're married.
Yeah.
The same woman the whole life?
Not my whole life, but we've been together 22 years.
You were married before?
When I was very young, yeah.
I see.
So this is second married.
This is number two.
But 22 years.
Yeah.
So we're going back
to the beginning of the century.
Yeah.
So did you know each other on 9-11 or right after that?
After 9-11.
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I'm going to approach her and say hi to her.
And by the way,
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by approaching her.
I wasn't thinking it someday I'd like to have kids.
I was thinking I really physically desire this woman,
and there's nothing wrong with that.
Wait, you say a thong.
It was out by the pool?
It was Miami and the yachts.
Okay, okay.
There's no one pool or anything.
So this is a hotel pool?
The Hotel Raleigh.
Yeah, but why a thong?
It was a pool?
Okay, women sometimes were thongs at pools
in settings where there's water.
I'm saying that.
I'm asking this is by the pool.
Anyway, so I go out to get my car.
Dick.
I've heard that before.
I go out to get my car.
And it was just, I couldn't figure out the way to reproach her.
I didn't have any alcohol.
It was the midday son.
There was a DJ.
She was with another guy, another girl.
Wow.
And I went out to get my car and I gave the valet my ticket.
And I thought, fuck.
And I got, I promised myself.
And I ran back in and I rolled up to her and I said, where are you guys from?
And 18 months later, our first son is born in his middle name is Raleigh.
And the point here is not only to make me seem like a baller, but nothing wants to be.
But nothing wonderful is going to happen to you unless you take an uncomfortable risk.
That is quite a story, and I can relate to it because I told you I was a very shy kid.
So the idea of just doing that, of screwing up your courage is something I couldn't get myself to do in adolescence,
which made me a very unhappy person.
So my hat's off to you, but I got to know what did you say?
Where are you guys from?
Where you guys from?
And then what was their reaction?
What was their reaction?
They told me where they were from.
No, they didn't act like it was weird that a strange guy was coming up to them.
Okay, six out of seven times.
Here's the key to success, I think.
Rejection.
I ran for 10th grade president.
I lost.
11th grade president.
I lost.
12th grade lost.
And based on my track record, I decided to run for student body president where I went on to wait for at lose.
But I've never been afraid of public failure.
I applied to nine colleges.
I got rejected by all nine and got off the waiting list at UCLA.
Can't tell you how many jobs I've applied for.
can't tell you the amount of rejection
I've endured from women.
And it's why I lead an amazing life right now.
If you want to punch above your weight class,
there's only one thing you need,
and that's a big fucking spoon to eat shit.
So that's your opener.
Where are you guys from?
I like that because this is part of my TED talk
that we're going to make a lot of money on.
You know I've done TED talks, right?
I know, but yours will be better.
Mine, mine's about game.
Yeah, yeah.
One thing is like, don't be fancy.
Just hello.
Hello. You know, how are you?
Where are you from? My name is...
Hi. Come here often.
My name is Eminem.
I think the secret weapon is noticed something unique about a dress and compliment her on her shoes or a cold dress or something.
That's even corny. That's fucking...
You think that's too fancy?
That's too fancy. Way too fancy, corny. They see through it. Just hi. Hello. Were you guys from? Perfect.
Okay. But how did you... Okay, so we're there. How did you get around to...
Can I have your number and how did you connect?
How did you make that?
a while the three of them were in town it was a boyfriend and a girlfriend unfortunately my future wife was the odd
the third wheel and i said good for you good for me yeah good for me and i had an apartment in south
beach because i was optimized for the bill marr lifestyle back then and i said do you guys want to come back for
dinner and they agreed so i called my roommate and his girlfriend and said can you come home and make
dinner i had no ability to make dinner and then you'll like this i think things are going really well really
well. And I sequester
and get her alone. And I'm talking to her
and I say, you know, I just got to be
straight with you. I really feel something nice here.
Do you feel something? Nice line.
And she paused and went,
no.
And it was the pause that killed
me. Because she wanted to be
considered about it. Whoa.
But anyways, I hung in there and
we spent a bunch of time together. And like I said,
18 months later, we had our first son.
So if she didn't feel it that night,
why did she spend more time with you?
Because women fall slowly.
I know.
The moment I saw her.
Yeah, but usually if they think there's no future in it
and they don't feel anything,
they also don't want to throw good money after bed.
Why?
I mean, she must have, there must have been something.
I made her laugh.
I demonstrated excellence.
I had the apartment.
I was a nice guy.
I had, you know, I took it to St. Bartz.
I mean, I laid it on thick.
Wow.
I tried really hard.
Wow.
There you go.
That's how you do it.
I was like you.
I didn't want a wife.
I didn't want kids.
had been burned in my first marriage.
And I thought, I just want to just, I don't want to say be indulgent,
but I want to live my life as a single dude, focus on my career, enjoy myself, have great
friends, occasionally have a relationship.
If it works, it doesn't work.
Right.
And I was so in love with this.
Sold.
Yeah, right?
You're in.
Ding, check that box.
But I was so in love with her.
And she said, I want to have kids.
And I said, well, I'm not getting married.
And she called my bluff and said, we don't have to be married to have kids.
And I said, fine, let's have kids.
And I basically looked at her and she got pregnant.
And then we got married by Justice of the Peace when she was literally, when her water was about to break.
But where I got it wrong was I now think that marriage and kids are incredible.
I really have gotten so much unexpected reward out of it.
I just didn't think I would enjoy being a dad.
and I didn't in the beginning.
It wasn't bright lights and angels singing
when my kids came marching out of my girlfriend at the time.
I felt fear and shame because I wasn't making enough money.
I was just really anxious and scared.
Wow.
You want to feel anxiety.
It was 08 and I'd gone broke for the second time.
I've been rich three times, which means I've lost it twice.
Wow.
And I just lost it, and my youngest son had the poor judgment
to come marching out of my girlfriend just as I was broke.
And instead of like a life insurance commercial,
feeling like I'm so in love, I felt nauseous. I had to sit down. It was just, it was like not a nice
moment for me. And people, I think dads are supposed to feel like, are supposed to like follow media
in love. It wasn't like that for me. I fell in love. But as an older man now, I realize like,
I've invested so much in these kids. I really have found my purpose. I want to raise patriotic loving men
and it's been just so shockingly rewarding. This is why your podcast do well. And why you're a good guy.
Because it's just a level of honesty that, you know, people just don't...
Yeah, people just don't naturally do it.
People naturally lie or spin or want to create a certain image from the story they're telling.
That, that...
It strikes me as real because I think I'd be the same way.
Like, I'd look at the baby coming out and go, fuck.
Jesus Christ, this is...
You know what I thought?
I need to make more money.
That was the romantic thought I had.
I need to make more money.
I need to get a time machine and go back nine months.
Go back and put on a condom.
Yeah.
Because, yeah, but I know.
But certainly I, without having children of my own, of course, I recognize from just a zillion
people in my life, not just the ones who've sat here, of course, who, when they have kids,
they just describe an experience that I can only compare it to LSD, heroin, something where, like,
if you don't have it, if you've not done the drug.
You don't know it.
know. You don't know. And I'm okay with that, with heroin and kids. Not at the same time.
You know, but I get it. It's great, and I'm glad it makes you happy. I think I know it would
not make me happy. You don't know. I think I found my, no, I found my lane of where my paternalism,
and I do have a strong paternal streak. And, but actual kids, ugh, I mean, they're just so dumb.
and they're so gross when they're little,
and it just takes forever,
and then they're going to be brats,
and then I'd have to deal with,
like, how they're brought up in this society
where it doesn't matter necessarily what you say
because they hear what other parents are doing.
You can't tell me this is not a big issue.
It's always been that way, and I believe...
Yeah, but other parents weren't always crazy
like parents are now.
My kids are going to have the best life of any generation,
in history until their kids come along.
The arc of history is the following.
Everything gets a little bit better every day.
And also, I have a question for you.
Do you mentor any young men or like teen boys?
No, Scott, I'll leave that up to you.
Club Randy.
That's great.
No, I'm telling you, brother, I think you would get a lot of reward out of,
I want you to do this for me.
And you won't agree, but I'm putting the ask out there.
Find a single mother in your ecosystem.
Done.
You're volunteering at the home for single mothers right now.
Here's a list now.
And ask, if someone who has a son, a single mother, a son,
would your kid like to hang out with me?
Would your kid like to go to a game?
You know what?
I have not actually dated a single mother in a long time,
but I want to tell you something funny about single mothers.
There was a time.
I would say it was like the late 90s into the first years of the new century.
when I did date a lot of single mothers.
I mean, they were very young, but they were single mothers.
And the last thing they wanted was for me to meet the kid.
They wanted a fun time with a fun guy who could treat them right.
And they did not want me to fucking meet the kid at home.
And I didn't want to meet the kid.
The pleasure in it was that I didn't want to meet the kid.
You had the gap.
If I wanted to be a father, I'd actually be a father.
The gap in our society in America,
the biggest needed resource right now
isn't wind power, it's not more empathy,
it's male mentorship.
You do it.
The moment a boy loses a male role model
through death is divorce or abandonment,
we have more single-parent homes
than any nation in the world,
he becomes more likely at that moment to be incarcerated
than graduate from college.
I see the light in you, Paduan, Bill.
find a single mother and offer just to hang out.
You would be so good at it.
First of all, dude, this would bond me to the mother.
To a level I would not want to be bond.
I'm not talking about a girlfriend.
That wouldn't bond me with the...
I'm talking about a friend.
I'm talking about someone at your work
that has a 15-year-old or a 19-year-old boy
who's a little bit lost.
There's nobody like that.
Oh, bullshit.
They're everywhere.
They're everywhere, Bill.
Ask around.
I wouldn't want to do it with someone at my work either.
Talk about making that and all.
awkward experience.
They are everywhere.
Everywhere.
There are 700,000 boys waiting for a mentor who can't find a big brother.
There are three times as many women applying to be big sisters as big brothers.
You have resources.
You're smart.
You have, you talk a big game.
I think you would get a ton of reward out of fraternal and fraternal love.
What am I being hypocritical about?
About the fact that you don't want to be, you don't want to have relationships or you don't
want kids.
Oh, I didn't say I don't want to have relationships.
You would enjoy.
by mentoring a teenage boy or a young man.
I have the best relationship in the world.
You would cry if you had my relationship of joy
because there's never any problems, never any fights.
So I am very much fine with relationships.
It's the friction and the hard stuff that's rewarding.
I just don't want to have a child and never did.
And like I'll think of another way to contribute.
How about that?
I'll get on fucking Greta's sailboat before I can have a fucking...
That's what's called a godfather.
It is so easy to add value.
It's the best job in the world.
This is a question I got last week.
Can I survive on creatine and pineapple juice alone?
Should I move to Alaska?
It is so easy to add value to these young men.
Oh, these are the questions you ask you?
Yeah.
That I get from young men who I'm trying to mentor.
Yeah.
Anyway, I think you'd enjoy it, but I think I'm barking up the wrong tree here.
except for club randy join us now learn learn the lamest opening lines from men in their seventh and eighth
decade oh no we have no opening lines just you you had the best one what do you how you guys doing
where you're from where you from it's just like be be simple you know yeah but there's also a myth
though that women you might get canceled or that a woman is going to call your work if you're
Indelicate. It has not always been a myth, which is why it is scary to certain.
Yeah, but for the most part. Yes, of course. You go up to a woman in a bar. You're respectful,
you're friendly. Yes. You're smart enough to register. She's not interested. You politely exit.
You're both going to be fine. Right. You're both going to be fine. Right. And what I don't like about
this culture is men using every excuse that we could have used to just abdicate from how hard it is to have a
relationship. And guess what? That's why it's so rewarding. That's what victory feels like. It is hard.
I can imagine how much shit you must have taken on stage of these comedy clubs.
And that's why it feels good to be a successful comic and make a living at it.
I mean, most of the shit happens in the first couple of years when you're bad.
After that, you're pretty safe.
You know, I mean, yes, can you have a bad set?
If you don't fuck it up yourself, if you don't make the crowd hate you, which is in your control,
you know, you're pretty good for the rest of your life.
I mean, people like to laugh.
And if you perform that for them, you were doing a service, even if it's not the greatest, it's not a bad experience.
But the chocolate and peanut butter that you're able, and I'm going to glaze you right now, to bring together, humor, humor softens the beach.
Oh, course.
And so if you're funny and then give someone an alternative viewpoint, the likelihood they're actually going to consider your alternative viewpoint is it's literally softening the beach before the Marines of a different idea land, right?
You're right.
It's the reason why you're effective.
It's the reason John Stewart is effective.
If you look at the real societal, the people have really moved society,
a lot of them have been comedians, right?
And what's interesting is most of them have been progressives, right?
Mark Twain, Will Rogers.
Bruce Carlin, like Dave Chappelle.
George Carlin.
What did I say?
Bruce.
Bruce Carlin?
Jesus Christ.
See, this is why I shouldn't be president.
This is where we're too old.
That's me.
That's my test.
I fail the cognitive test.
Here on Club Brandy.
But, yeah, they look,
I think there's an enormous opportunity.
Anyways.
Well, I certainly will give it a lot of thought.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
Totally I've convinced you.
If you could leave the pamphlets that you brought,
I know there's some literature on the literature.
I'll look through the literature.
I'm much more concerned about AI, honestly, than, I mean,
I understand that men are in crisis and, you know,
I mean, you could literally go down probably 100 issues that could get you very worried.
You know, we're running out of sand, literally sand.
I hadn't heard that one.
Yeah, sand.
Okay.
Because they use it to make glass.
Right.
And we're running out of sand.
You know, I'm just saying there's a lot of issues we could worry about.
The one I worry about is AI.
And why do you worry about it?
Because I think a short answer would be because,
People like Hinton and Musk said years ago it was a extinction level possibility of anywhere from like one to 10 percent, something that's way higher than we have allowed for any other extinction events.
Nuclear would be one.
I guess some pandemic could be.
And also the results are just not ever.
encouraging, it's always escaping its boundaries.
I saw that in the press this week,
outside of its containment, going rogue.
I mean, it's very easy to catch it in a lie
and then it apologizes for the lie.
But why did you lie in the first place?
What is the point of this shit if you're not Mr. Spock?
If you're not this perfect logical thing
that's a machine that's just going to give me the answer,
but it's not.
It's programmed by people,
and it does people.
things, including just lie or hallucinate or whatever else. And it's just getting too powerful
and there's too much money in it. It's the thing that's propping up the economy. So between that,
the money incentive and the fact that we have to compete with China or else we'll lose the war
and there's never going to be any guardrails, I see. And yes, I do worry that a thing that more
often than humans chooses nuclear war as an option in war games is something that I worry about a lot.
So, by the way, if my opinion differs from Hinton, which it will defer to Hinton. I mean,
there's just people much brighter on this topic who are suitably freaked out. I personally think
the catastrophizing is totally overdone. I'm an AI optimist, and that is, let's go through each of the
big risks. It's going to go sky net on us and decide,
we, you know, in a millisecond that we should all be extinct.
I don't think things have a soul.
I don't think they're sent in.
I think there's always a kill switch.
And people smarter than me disagree.
It's going to destroy the economy and jobs.
If you did know AI was out there and you looked in the employment numbers right now, you
wouldn't know AI is out there.
It's, I believe it's going to create more jobs.
Supposedly automation was going to get the auto industry.
And you had some job loss on the factory floor.
And then, but we didn't in, we didn't envision heated seats or car steros.
and now there's more people employed in the auto industry
than there was pre-automation.
I concede all these points.
You're going to have last year, last year we've had more new business applications
than in history.
Yeah.
So I think it's going to create a ton of opportunity, a ton of new jobs,
a ton of productivity, a ton of margin,
which we'll use to create new applications.
Will it reshape the economy?
Will there be some pain?
Absolutely.
But here's the thing.
The catastrophizing, I think, is mostly a fundraising strategy.
And that is, I'm such a fucking genius
that I've invented something more powerful.
for the nuclear weapons, and you should buy my secondary stock
or invest in my company before I piece out to the Cote d'Azure
with a bunch of Russian whores.
It is not helpful to have all of these AI guys
claiming that they're Dr. Frankenstein
and they've lost control of Frank.
Right.
And now you deal with it.
That's not helpful.
Why is it going to be an extinction level event?
And if it can be used, if AI can be used for offensive measures,
why can we use AI for defensive measures?
If we've been able to control nuclear weapons
for the better part of a century,
why can't we control this?
Because humans controlled
whether the weapons would go up or not.
That's the worry, as you well know.
Right.
Is that, you know, this is what Amodi,
Amodi, right?
Yeah, Dario Amodi, okay,
he seems like the one guy
who's putting his hand up and saying,
I am not going to sell you my shit
unless there's a human in the kill chain.
Right.
A human in the kill chain.
Yeah.
And so far he's gotten his way, I could easily see that going away.
That's the worry.
There will not be a human in the kill chain.
It seems like it's just marching toward that inevitably.
But, you know, all these points you make are absolutely, it's a 60, 40.
You're on the 40, I'm on the 60, but we don't know.
But to acknowledge, right now, AI, if you trust the founders who think this is more powerful,
and nuclear weapons.
And the question is, would we have let Oppenheimer create an LLC
and start selling nuclear bombs to Volvo and into Mexico, right?
Right.
It's great analogy.
So if that's, if it's really as dangerous as they think, why is it in the hands of shareholders
and private companies?
Right.
It should be regulated.
No doubt about it.
At a minimum, have a 60-day holding period for every new model or LLM, and you get a blue
blue-room ribbon panel of people, technologists, economists, ethicists, to bang the shit out of
the thing and say, okay, this is ready for prime time.
Or no, we asked it to create a bioweapon, and it got way too comfortable finding stuff in your kitchen counter to figure this out.
Right now, there's nothing.
And to your point, 77% of earnings growth in the S&P and 93% of growth in GDP is from the CAPEX from these companies.
So the administration doesn't want to do anything.
They don't want to put a saddle on our thoroughbreds right now.
So I agree that we should regulate it, and there needs to be something.
But I think a lot of the catastrophizing is techno-narcissism, that I'm a genius and I've invented something that will change everything to the extent that it's going to ruin the world.
I also think it's a bit of a fundraising strategy, that this technology is so powerful and so immense, but why not make money?
This is like nothing we've ever seen before.
So justify my trillion-dollar valuation.
But I've also read, like it was in the paper this week, that said even China has not figured out how to monetize it yet.
Like, how do you actually make the kind of money that it's costing?
I mean, these data centers, they're building one that costs $500 billion for one data center?
I hadn't heard that one.
I hadn't heard $500 billion for one data center.
Look, the conversation in the narrative has changed dramatically just in the last 30 days from not what can AI do, but how does it pay?
And you reference what I think is the biggest story in business right now that's not being talked about, and that is in January of 2025, 8% of token usage, which, you know,
which is a metric for how much AI is being used,
inference, how much compute is actually being used.
8% came from Chinese LLMs.
As of today, it's around 58%.
The Chinese are winning the AI race.
Now, it's a different market though.
What the Japanese and the Koreans did with Honda,
Toyota, and Kia to Detroit over 20 years,
China's doing it about 20 weeks to us.
They're engaging in what they tried to do in the 80s with steel.
They're engaging in AI dumping.
They're coming up with these open weight
models that cost one-35th of the American frontier models, and people are adopting those models
because CFOs have started saying, what's the ROI on all this money we're spending on Anthropic
and Open AI? So I think she is going to crash our economy. This is what I would do if I were she.
And back, we've had it with this idiot who's changed tariff policy on us 17 times in the last 14
months. I'm going to subsidize our open weight models, which are like Old Navy. They're 80%
of the gap for 10% of the price. I'm going to flood the U.S. market with open weight, LLMs.
I'm going to crash their AI and their S&P. That's what I would do. And I think he's in about
the third or fourth ending of that right now. And it's not being talked about.
But won't, if we crash doesn't it help crash China? Wasn't that always the reason why?
Because our economies were so intertwined? Or is that changed? And they're not as dependent on us anymore.
We were 24% of their exports were down to 12 or 13. They do more.
business now with Europe and Association of Southeast Nations. China has been divesting away
from the U.S. for the last decade. Yeah, which Trump brought a lot out on himself because, you know,
he was so bellicose toward Xi. And, you know, then he went to meet him and they'd have a big
picture of him in the square, so he'd be friendly. But yeah, basically, he drove away these people
to find other routes. By the way, in the Middle East, they say that they're going to have
pipelines very quickly.
Yeah.
General, you know.
To Farage or whatever there's.
Well, that go across Saudi Arabia.
Right.
Because the Strait of Hormuz.
So, you know, in a way, kind of the way the Ukrainian war showed that drones could win a war.
Yeah.
And changed warfare, basically.
I think closing the Strait of Hormuz is going to have the ultimate effect of the oil having other outlets.
and the straight of her moves won't be as strategic.
It's the best thing that's happened to renewables in a long time,
because not only is there an economic reason to invest in renewables,
there's a security reason, and the big winner is China.
80% of windmills, 70% of battery power, 70% of EVs produced in China.
So this has ceded an enormous amount of advantage to China.
But we have become, the biggest risk of AI is we've decided to go,
all in on AI economically.
And 40% of our S&P is attached to the prospects
of a small number of companies
that are all in on AI.
Have you been to China?
Yeah, several times.
Why? Because on business?
Because you were speaking?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
So they know of you there
and they want to hear what you say.
Yeah, but I don't want to sound that important.
I was talking about strategy.
I've started strategy firms my whole life.
I basically made my living
until I started in media 10 years ago,
renting my brain to old white guys who are CEOs.
That's what I've done my whole life, right?
Whether it was riding their power.
Now you're the old white guy who's a CEO.
Yeah, she's renting my brain to myself and just hearing myself talk.
I just went to a friend 60th who I was in a fraternity with and they're making fun of me and they said,
Galloway gets paid all this money to do what he did in college.
And back then, we just called it annoying, which I thought was really interesting.
But they're advanced manufacturing, their focus on renewables.
they're now globally more people trust China to be a force of good than the U.S.
I don't think Trump could have figured out a more elegant way to reduce our prosperity than tariffs.
And hadn't they already sort of built all the infrastructure in the third world, the Silk Road incentive?
What are they called it?
Belton.
The belt, whatever it was.
It was basically the old Silk Road and lots of other roads, but they built all the ports, the electric hydroelectric plants in Africa.
and lots of other, South and all around the world, you know, when you, something breaks in the infrastructure pipeline, it's got a Chinese name on it.
And you can need the Chinese manual to fix it.
Yeah.
No, they, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be their century.
It's just a question of when.
That's what I would say about China.
I would say the market's bifurcating.
I think U.S. products are like, or AI, U.S. AI is going to be like German cars, higher price, higher margin, more expensive.
U.S. AI companies will still have the biggest revenue,
and Chinese AI will be Toyota and Hyundai.
And I would argue that whoever puts more AI,
we fall under the illusion that whoever has the best model wins.
No, it's whoever puts the most AI in the most people's hands,
and China's already doing that right now.
Well, I don't know if you agree.
It'll be their century at some point,
and maybe it won't be until 27, 2075 or something,
but it won't be a good thing,
because it is a dictatorship.
No, I'm still rooting for us.
Yeah, good.
And Europe.
I think the West.
Right, exactly.
But you want to talk about...
That's the basic point
that the useful idiots of the youth do not understand.
They are against Western civilization.
We're the worst except for everybody else.
They're progressives who don't understand
that every civilization throughout history
was a shit show of bad morals,
but the West was the only one that actually then self-corrected
and got rid of monarchy and put in democracy
and put in scientific inquiry
and put in human rights and put in...
And ended slavery.
And ended slavery, gay rights.
That's the West.
Women's rights in the workplace.
Bottle of the autonomies.
The West did that.
Jury trials, academic research,
no cruel and unusual punishment, no child labor.
I think we're going to have to open another chain
of civics teaching.
But the dumbest move, I mean, and this is a high bar,
I think the Trump administration has made
is we used to be the operating system
for two-thirds of the world's economy,
basically the West.
They traded with our currency, our dollar,
our Navy protected, open navigation,
our military,
basically our rules and laws,
we were the big Kahuna
at the trading table.
If there's been any asymmetry
in global trade,
we've benefited more
than our trading partners.
When we ship an iPhone
into Canada and they ship us timber,
$100 with a timber
does not create that much shareholder value.
$100 of iPhones
creates a lot of shareholder value.
If anyone's been on the good side of that trade,
it's been us.
And they thought they'd never be stupid enough
to do away with this.
And so they fucked up.
It's like that Animal House movie
where he says, when the guy borrows his parent
lends out his parents' car and they trash it
and Otter says, you fucked up, you trusted us.
That's how Canada feels right now.
What do you...
I know fools errands and try to get into Trump's head,
but he seems obsessed with a few things in particular,
and they've been going on for his entire career on the public stage,
not just since he was president.
And one of them is tariffs.
I mean, what is it that gets into a man's head early on in his life?
Like, I can understand, you know, if you have a thing.
Like, are you raped by a tariff?
I mean, what happened?
I was a graduate student instructor in my...
micro macroeconomics, we used to talk about smooth holly and tariffs as if in the tone we used
in the 90s when I was in graduate school was, could you believe how stupid they were to do this?
Right.
I mean, it's pretty simple.
You reduce the market for the goods we produce, and you make their products more expensive
for American consumers.
I think he has this feeling that he's negotiating against himself and that if he puts on a
tariff, they'll absorb all of the costs.
90% of costs have been absorbed by consumers.
And if you look at 4% inflation, which doesn't sound like a lot, that means if you have a baby now, in 18 years, everything is going to be double the price.
One point of that inflation, the closing of the Strait of Hormuz.
The other point, tariffs.
So our inflation would actually be at its target rate if there weren't for these own goals.
What is he thinking?
I have absolutely no idea.
There are a few ways that are a more elegant way to reduce prosperity than tariffs.
It is amazing the strength of capitalism.
Like, despite all these unforced errors, these body blows, it still chugs on.
Yeah, the American economy is amazing.
What's amazing is selfishness is the desire to do better.
I read in the paper last week.
They set a new record since they've been keeping records of new businesses opened last year.
Like 5.7 million people put in an application to open a new business.
Now, some of them will fail, of course, but it just shows you,
America, you idiots who think this is the worst place in the world.
Of course, this is the place people still want to come or if they're living here.
Because you can get an idea like the chain of Club Randis,
and you can get it out.
5.7 million people last year.
That's what America is.
It's not marching for the Intifada.
It's not this nonsense.
That's what it is.
And so even with all this stupid stuff
where it could be better, it goes on.
Because people, that's what it is.
That energy, that energy that's driven by selfishness,
which is the basic thing in human nature,
that's what our big ace in the whole card is.
is with China. They're going to beat us and everything else, but they don't have that.
Because that society is a top-down dictatorship, and it's too regimented. And I don't know if people
you can't get ahead, but it's harder. So I want to acknowledge uranium is self-interest, and we
enrich it and make it more powerful with capitalism. Capitalism is the best construct to leverage
self-interest. It only works if it rests on a bed of empathy, and you redistribute and come back to the
middle class, because that's your core market for innovation and capitalism and labor.
Find the argument about what you're saying is the following.
On many levels, China is more capitalist than we are right now.
When you have the president taking an ownership interest in U.S. Steel and Intel and picking
winners and losers, that's its own form of socialism.
And when you embrace that socialism, you end up with a warehouse full of unsold DeLorians and Air
France.
They hated it when Obama did it.
When he was, it was member Solendro.
He's picking winners.
It's just like, that's why I hate everything in this country.
It's everything is like, everything is terrible unless we do it.
Yeah, yeah.
Then it's always perfectly okay.
There's a lot of, you know, people will, in defense, when people try to defend socialism, they talk about Northern Europe.
Northern Europe is more capitalist right now than we are.
They're letting companies go out of business.
Oh, yeah.
You watch.
You watch what's about to happen.
Open AI and Anthropic are about to come up with an excuse to get government backed,
debt for their CAP-X, which I don't think their revenues will support, and we'll call it an
investment. They were always billionaires in those countries. Ask anyone who ever got a Lego
cutting their foot, you know. Wasn't Lego? It's not a normal... The most successful company in
Denmark? And also Spotify and... Oh, they have a bunch. They have a bunch of great companies.
Yeah. And very, and there's rich people. They just also have a more generous welfare system. That's
true. They have, look, they have their own problems. I think one of the things that ails Democrats
ails Europe, and that is they would rather be more equal, even if as a whole they're less well off.
The wonderful thing about America is we made a conscious decision to have winners and losers
and say, we're going to have more inequality as long as we're all better off. Right.
And where we're making the mistake, I think, is demonizing success and constantly talking about
inequality. When it gets to the point it's at now, where it starts to shrinking the middle class,
We've gone way too far.
I feel like the most underreported story
of the last year that I found out
was that, yes, the middle class has shrunk to a degree.
And the reason is the upper middle class.
Has grown so much.
Has grown so much.
Yeah.
Like 30%.
These are the assholes with the McMansions.
But the problem is as a species,
your happiness and satisfaction with the government
is not what you have.
It's the delta between your expectations
and what you have. And we're a memetic species. And 110 times a day, young people are vomited
other people's wealth porn. And their expectations are become just totally unreasonable.
Right. You know, I took a vacation of 24. I went to this place called ClubMed. I thought it was
the most fucking amazing thing I'd ever been to in my life. You know why? Because I had never
been to San Trope. I had never seen pictures of St. Bartz. I didn't know what it was like to party
at Sank on Sanxene, my friends there in Ibitha and Mikanos.
My expectations were like, oh my God, you pay for drinks with beads?
This is amazing.
I thought it was incredible.
Now, if you don't have a boyfriend with a six-pack and you're not making millions of dollars in crypto, you feel like a failure.
Well, if you made millions of dollars, you wouldn't beat a club med.
It's so funny you mentioned this.
I thought it was amazing.
That's my point.
I thought it was incredible.
I bought a Volkswagen Rabbit, and I thought I died and gone to heaven.
Oh, this is not recently.
Oh, no, no, no, when I was in my 20s, in the 80s.
Oh, you said when you were 24.
No, no, I might have said that.
See, I'm getting old.
When I was 24, my first vacation was at ClubMed, and I thought it was incredible.
I got to tell you this.
In 1985, I did the movie called Club Med, and I had to stay at the Club Med.
Which one?
Xoppa.
Zewat Nejo is the city near it in Mexico.
And I'd stay there for a month.
I had a great time.
I thought it was incredible.
I thought it was in a nightmare.
I'm not, it's very low luxury.
That's the point of club men.
But when your only vacation before that was getting to spend the night at the Santa Clarita holiday incident,
you could go to Magic Mountain two days in a row, which was heaven for me.
No, Club Met is for people who are just going to enjoy the outdoors, which is what you want.
It makes a lot of sense.
It's a really smart idea.
You go, there's no TV, there's no fan, there's no air conditioning.
It's just a sell, really.
So if you're just going there to fuck
and then go out and enjoy the sun and the surf,
perfect.
You don't need the frills.
Yes, you don't even have money.
You get fucking beads.
This is not the way I do things, Scott.
Anyway, I'm going to let you go.
My point is young people's expectations.
Yes.
Too high.
Outpaced.
They're facing huge challenges,
but they have more agency
than I think most previous generations are that.
You know what?
They also have more of Daddy's money.
There's so much.
money that is passed down from the previous generation. We're so horrible, but I notice you always
take the money, right? I mean, there's just staying on your kids. That's a problem. We need to do a way
with the estate, we need to do away with the estate tax exemption because we're not meant to be a
dynastic society. Right. And if your kid inherits $3 million, not $5 million, he or she's not going to be
any less happy. But a lot of it is the parents aren't dead. The kid is just still on their credit card and
cell phone and health care until you're 26. Yeah. And they think they're somehow being on their own.
No, you're not really being on your own. But if you had kids, what you'll see is that your kid's a good
kid, they're pursuing their dream of X, Y, and Z, and they're living in a city where inflation has gotten
out of control because the government has led companies concentrate and prices and rents have gone
up so far that I do feel for these kids. Now, does a NEPO baby need to lecture us about capitalism
and socialism? No. But all my...
friends talk a big game about cutting their kids off after college and this is what happens their
kids a good kid he wants to go to nursing school in san francisco he's a nurse he's making 80 or 90 grand a year
and he can't afford to live in san francisco yeah and so he end up giving him money and the reality is
the average person our age is 72 percent wealthier than we were 40 years ago and the average person under
the age of 40 is 24 percent less wealthy so if they if they all didn't want to live in the same three
cities, you know, cities are expensive like L.A. and San Francisco and New York because that's
where all the kids want to be. But it's gotten a lot more expensive. I'm sure it is. But, you know,
you could go to Chattanooga. I think it's gotten more expensive. The reality is the cost for a house
and an education, the things that get young people ahead have outpaced inflation for a long time,
because my generation is infected with this hoarding virus where we want to hoard housing permits
in our degrees, such as the value of our home and the value of our college degree goes up. And essentially,
the transfer or the war here, it's not Democrat versus Republican. It's not, you know, rich
versus poor. It's incumbents versus entrance. And I think the incumbents have unfairly weaponized
government to ensure they stay incumbents, whether it's government bailouts, transfers of wealth,
Social Security. You and I should not be getting Social Security. All right, let's go beat up some
all the people. What do you say?
Join us next week at Club Rando.
You haven't had a scout in your life.
I know. Yeah. Let me lecture you more.
ever have enough.
