Club Random with Bill Maher - Sharon Osbourne | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: July 30, 2023

Sharon Osbourne and Bill Maher on: the insanity of colleges, why Sharon is moving back to England, the artist who got kicked out of the hospital for partying next to Sharon, the key to Sharon’s weight loss, the body shapes that are in vogue now, which president’s wife was cheating on him, Sharon’s dad’s early attitude about Ozzy, when Bill found out his mom was Jewish, Sharon getting fired from The Talk and the Piers Morgan Meghan Markle debacle. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's so many things here and in my house that people are always saying, where'd you get that? I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I got to get that. Things like that. Like you just, because so many people give you shit. I was going to say I get one of those these paintings and put it up here for you. So funny, when you're young and you're not successful, no one gives you anything. And then when you don't need anything, it's exactly what Aussie says. He says, why do people send us stuff?

I can fucking buy it myself. Because they want to curry favor, because they want to know you, because they want to be your friend. Which I'm not complaining about. It's nice. You know, I remember in my life times, when I had no friends,

like when I was first at college, not just no girlfriends. No friends, period. I had old friends from high school if I went back home, but that was, I was at college. You know, like I was freshman year, you know, like, so to have like so many friends that you collect over a lifetime, and people who just wanna be your friends, You know, like, so to have like so many friends

that you collect over a lifetime and people who just want to be your friends, it's like, yeah, I don't take it for granted because like, I remember those college days, it was like, it went to Cornell, it was cold, there was like a five-to-one ratio of men to women. And lonely. And lonely and like very competitive,

cold, competitive. It's just high suicide rate. It just was not a fun college. But I learned a lot. I'll say that, you know. Did you go to college? Fun. No, I was working a lot. I'll say that, you know. Did you go to college? Flunk, no. I was working from 15.

You didn't miss anything? No. I mean, when I once said that, I'm so glad I went to college. But when I went to college, college was not yet, had not yet become the insane places they are now. I mean, elite American colleges, I know people think, oh Bill, you've taken the red pill or whatever.

No, I've looked at this pretty carefully. What goes on in colleges is insanity. That's what all, that's where all the super nutty woke shit emanates from. Of course it does, of course it does. They come up Marxist or whatever. Yes, it's insane. No, literally Marxist. Yeah, of course it does. They come up Marxist or whatever. Yes. It's insane. No, literally Marxist.

Of course they do. Of course they do. Because I always say... Hating America? Yeah. And I've never been a raw, raw. I make fun of all that shit with the flyovers and the getting a boner when you see the flag. It's like, I give a fuck about the flag and all that shit.

But I have perspective about America, which they do not. But. No, no. And it's, I don't know. I think that college is a very dangerous place right now. What is? They're very dangerous places right now.

Colleges? Yes. That's what I've said. You didn't miss a thing. Because, no, when I went, I mean, I mean, here's like a major difference. When I went, I was allowed to learn like, Western civilization, I think, was the course.

You know, in other words, or European history. Well, you're not supposed to do that anymore because white people are toxic and terrible and so we don't, you and so we don't count. Well, no, we can't, but I mean they can't help counting because like a lot of the things that we are enjoying, I mean white people were the first to combine avocado and toast. The winter Olympics, that's us too, and music and elevators, and bronze statues of commuters by bus stops.

Those are all contributions from my people, but there was also things that happened in European history that are important science, typically, called sports. Yes, the Greeks. But when I went to college, it absolutely was not right that they completely ignored other civilizations. I guess I could have taken African history, but it was not a thing. So yes, we needed to correct that, but as always, they over-correct so much that now, yes, add the cannon from Africa and Asia.

But don't throw out stuff just because I'm so sorry, Shakespeare was white, but he really, you know, he's quite important. But he did write well. Yeah, he did. I've those stories. I mean, he plays, they're just unbelievable. And they're relevant today.

Right, he had no stories. It just, that just... he had plays and solids. Yes. So it's... I don't know, it's all fucked up. But you're moving back to England, right? Trying to, yeah. Really? Yeah. How long have you been in the States? Since 76. Have you been in the States? I'm since 76. Holy fuck, that is a long... It's a long, awes time. Well, it's a long time to be in one place and then move. No matter what the circumstances, I guess you're going home again, but boy, 76, that's your life.

I mean, that's your adult life. So... I used to see you in the rainbow, you know? The rainbow. Yeah, I did. I haven't been to the rainbow in years. I love the rainbow. Oh, wasn't it a cool place to go? It was kind of like this. Yeah. Down in dirty, right? Yeah. It was, I remember going there with Rick James. One. I remember going there with Rick James, once. And remember it had the downstairs with the restaurant

and a bar, and then you went up. There was another level with a dance floor. Yes. And then above that, it had this place called the crow's nest. Yes. It was just like, it was almost comical, oh, these rooms got smaller and smaller. It's smaller as you went up.

Until there was one with, I think it was only like, room for two people. Yeah, the closeness, though. It was right. It was where Lenin used to hang. Oh, I mean, you could do anything there, and they did. Yeah. I see, do you remember James doing cocaine there?

I listen, James doing cocaine there. I was in Cedars. I had cancer. He was in the next room, partying every night, and they threw him out of the hospital. I don't know what was wrong with him. Why he was there? But they threw him out because the partying I'm jealous. That's not easy to get thrown out of a hospital. He did. Yeah. And I think he was bone in one of the nurses. So they would twins these nurses and he was bone in one of them, I mean.

No. That is so out of a movie. Rick James was fucking the nurse. At sea, does. I love Rick James even more now. That is so, I would love to meet that nurse. I mean, I love Rick James even more now. That is so. I would love to meet that nurse. I mean, like, I wonder what it was.

And what was he in for? I don't know. That we was able to be boning. I mean, it couldn't have been something. What about the party? I mean, literally party. People were bringing in booze. There was music.

It was the whole nine yards, and I'm like, am I hallucinating? What the fuck is going on here? It is too much. Yeah. I have to have some great director make that scene into a movie. Yeah.

I don't know who's going to play Rick James, but I'll find the director. That is. And why were you with African sir? Yeah. But obviously you got rid of it. Yeah. Where was it?

Not in the woman's place, was it? Oh, fuck, it's been all over. It's been all over. I had it in my colon and then I had it in my breast. Oh, no. But you don't have it, no, because you look, you could, you know, not that this is medicine, please don't misinterpret, but I've heard doctors say, like they can tell a lot just by looking at you.

Yeah, they can, they can. You really can. You can just see if someone looks healthy. You look very healthy. Thank you. You look great. It's getting like this. Really, you look, I mean, like 20 years younger. Thank you. You look great. Thank you. Skinny like this. Really? You look, I mean like 20 years younger. Thank you.

Now what is that? How did you do that? Oh, through that fucking injection that everybody takes. You took the Olympic. Sure, whatever it's called. That's what I call it. Yeah. The Olympic. Sure. You, but see, when you have a weight problem and you've tried everything and then somebody says take this injection and you're going to be skinny. I mean, I would never but I'm crazy. I'm in very paranoid about any foreign substances in my body. I mean, I would be more worried that the ozemic was going to give me cancer than it was going to prevent me from getting cancer from whatever it was helping me with. But that's the thing about medicine and health.

You are always playing the odds. Always. It's always about the odds. This is why I'm so resentful of the heavy hand of government and media like in COVID when they were telling us exactly, I get that we need to protect the population and blah, blah, blah, and I'm willing to go a certain way with that, but, you know, just to be pronouncing things based on the science, when, first of all, you got,

you guys got a lot of it wrong. You, who are the science. And putting stuff into our bodies that's not been properly tested. Was those ampic properly tested? They give it to people with diabetes that's taken it for years. And the side effect is you lose weight. Oh right because diabetes is caused by diabetes is caused by, usually by obesity. So obviously there's linked. So, but what is the experience of being honest? Do you, you don't even know your audience,

you're just not hungry? You're not hungry, but the first, for me, anyway, it's different for everybody, but for me, the first few weeks was fucking shit because you just throw up all the time and feel so nauseous. Really? Yeah. That's their big secret. We made something that makes you throw up.

I told you, you lose weight. Oh my god. What fucking geniuses in the lab, these people? After a couple of weeks, it goes. And then you're just fine. You feel nothing. And you still are not hungry? No.

And I've been off it for a while now. And I just... Oh, you're off not hungry? No. But I've been off it for a while now. And I just... Oh, you're off it now? Yeah. But you're still, and the hunger doesn't come back. No, not for me. Oh, that's great. But I think you know your stomach shrinks and you change.

I've been on it since December, but I came off a couple of months ago. Do you feel like you're slowly ramping back up with how much you eat? No. No. Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.

Okay. Yeah. And usually I do. I'll give it a couple of weeks and then I'm like, fuck it, I'll have pasta. And you used to be a big eater? No, just always had a weight problem. But not from overeating?

No, just Jewish girl with big dad, big mom. Big mom. That's it. Big dad, big mom, big mom. Well, it was just my luck that when big bombs come in, I don't fucking have one anymore. Isn't that amazing how that happened? I mean... My whole life I've been getting rid of my fucking bum and now it's all like... I never lost my taste for, because I was, from the era, I mean, I was 12 years old in 1968 when I was first whacking off and thinking sexually.

Who was the big model in 1968? Twiggy. Do you remember Twiggy? Do I remember Twiggy? I'd doored her. She was. She was. She was. But Twiggy? Do I remember Twiggy? I'd doored her. You were doored Twiggy? She was doored Twiggy. She was doored Twiggy. But Twiggy was the first model who was, I mean, before then, chicks were like these giant

piwagans with the asses you could serve drinks on and still have room for a three week. You could put a TV on it. Right. Which is back. Yeah. That's, you know, back in style. But that was not my era. So, like, of course, kids were always rebelling against what came before them.

So my father's era was Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield and those, you know, big ladies, the big caboose and the giant rack and the hourglass. Marilyn wasn't big though. She was tiny. Marilyn Monroe big though, she was tiny. Marilyn Monroe? Yeah, she was, she was tiny. But didn't you have big tits? Yeah, but you could not big tits and still be tiny.

Yeah, I guess so. Small big tits, it's like a jumbo shrimp. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so, but she seemed to have a pretty big kaboost though, as I remember. Anyway, it seemed to me when I saw her, she looked boxing.

She was like, again, but she was dead by the time I was like five or something. So she was not my era. And I thought, people have complained about this before. I have no thing against Marilyn Monroe. I just, when the subject comes up, I can, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, Blah blah blah, but it's like they cannot stop making movies about this chick. And I'm like, was she that great? What was the big deal?

I know. She blew Kennedy, and then she's dead and blonde and... Well, she was meant to have blown the brother and... Why does America have this like obsession with her? I mean, they just made one, by the way, on a de-Armas. What an amazing performance. Yeah. With no accent.

I know. I know. I was so impressed by that performance. Yeah. The movie, I mean was it really all that terrible? I get it. She had a rough time but she must have one good day. Somewhere in there.

That scene where she's blowing Kennedy. Did you see it? Mm-hmm. Holy shit. I mean, I don't know if that, they made that up. I don't know if we don't know if that's what happened in the room when she was visiting Kennedy, but if it was, what an asshole Kennedy was.

Do you think that the any president is any different? Yes. To women? Of course. Oh, stop it. People, men, let's say, in the area you're talking about are very varied and it's determined determined by the sort of level of their libido. Some people have a high libido, Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy. They're getting laid all the time, whether they're president

or they're a plumber. They're gonna be, other people, Richard Nixon? I don't think he gave a shit about getting laid. He cared about power. He did not have a high libido that's not what ran his life. Same with Ronald Reagan. He had mommy. He had a wife.

Any guy who calls the wife mommy, you know there's trouble. Okay, I mean, incest porn is less sick than that. I think she was doing all the screling, wasn't she? Nancy Reagan? Behind his back? Yeah. I never heard that. That's a bombshell because they were like the epitome we thought or they presented that of adoring. Remember

that? Please wait a minute. Looking at him. Please. That was so fucking fake. Give me a break. Come on. The thing Nancy Reagan was fucking around when she was in the White House? Sure. And she was a bad actress looking at him the way she did. You know she was a bad actress. That's what she wanted. If you've seen Hellcat's of the Navy. But who was she fucking?

Like some, like the Marine Guard or like... I heard she fucked Frank Sinatra. It's not true. Yeah. Oh, come on. Why would Frank Sinatra want to fuck her? Because he could. And she was first lady, so we got off on that.

Of course, come on. You think Frank Sinatra was the kind of guy? Because there are guys like that. I've known some who really get off on, they're not fucking the woman. They're fucking the fame. You got it, exactly. And you think Frank Sinatra was fucking the fame, he was at that point in his life,

I mean, this is when he must have been 80, so he was in his 60s. He was married, the one marriage that lasted, Barbara Marks, 22 years, but, you know, the last 22. Okay, the last 22. The easy 22. Yeah. Right. I mean, because...

I think, listen, it's... I think it's not only the power, but you're fucking the guy too. I fucked your wife. So he was fucking Reagan? Oh, fucking him up. Well, I'm going to have to commit Harry Curie tonight. Knowing that Nancy Reagan was unfaithful. This rocks my world.

Oh, shit. Behold. Come on. No, fucking with you. But I mean, I find it fascinating. And you could be right. And I had heard that. Yeah. But I thought, I find it fascinating and you could be right. And I had heard that, you remember, but I thought, oh, that's just the kind of thing. Of course they're going to say.

But maybe you know something I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Was you fucking anybody else? Any other? Allegedly. Allegedly, right? Wow.

Well, I could say that. I mean, I don't think Ronnie, I mean, he was president only two months when he got shot. And he was never the same after he got shot. And he was 70 already. Anyway, not that that's that old because we're around that age. And so it's perfectly fine. But I think after you get shot and... But don't you think it's different being 17 now than it was then?

Someone. I think they can... It is. Well, they didn't have a Zampak. They sure didn't. No, I mean, I think it is different, but I think people also exaggerate when they try to pretend that, you know, 70s, the new 50s. Oh, I said today, you know what, when people go there 50, but they really, oh God, I'm 30, it's the, you know, 50s, the new 30s. 70 is just fucking 70. That's it. You can exactly. You can buy living right or being lucky with genetics or whatever.

You can shave a few years off what you seem your actual number is, but we're all heading down the same path. Same path. You can't fool it. You can't. All you can do is what you're doing. You look in great for your age. You look younger than your age.

And also, you're not afraid of your age. You're not afraid. Neither am I. You cannot. You just have to fucking accept it, embrace it. Other things come with it. I actually love this age. It's my favorite age because I'm smarter than ever.

The only bad thing about it is that I know there's a clock running on it. Like if I could freeze where my life is now, I would. More than I would at 35. Because I- I was a mess at 35, just a fucking mess. What were you doing at the time? Were you married?

Married. To Ozzy? On Road, yeah. At 35? Yeah, he's married to him at 24. Oh, he had to marry a long time as that motherfucker. Yeah. No name since I was 18. 18?

18. Well, he got your ass young. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. I got to say that's something I will never know in my life to like have somebody who I was banging at 18. He wasn't at 18. We didn't get together until much later off, but we used to see each other because both in the same industry, you know, it wasn't that big in those days and we would pass each

other and. Right, because your father was a big marker, right? Yeah. He managed all these bands and... Yeah. But that must have not been an easy thing to say to him, like, I'm fucking the baddest of the bad, and you're in the music industry. He wanted me to go out with a nice lawyer or, you know?

Well, even if you went out with a rock story, not that one. Yeah. Not the one who eats the bird is. I think he would have preferred Neil Diamond or somebody. Of course. Oh, Neil Diamond. Can you imagine if you were Sharon Diamond,

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for 43 married 41. I mean, there must be parts of that that are wonderful. The best and the fucking worst. Right. Right. Life's that way. Yeah. And our life is, it's never been in the middle, it's been higher than high and lower than low. Life is that way, but it has been my mission to try to just, in that, the best and the worst equation, find a way to just get the best. Get to bed. Get the best. Oh! Get the best without the worst.

You try because sometimes you can't help what happens. I feel like that's a bad bargain, the best and the worst. But that's me. I know that many people, many more people than the people like me, make that choice. Because that's really what marriage is, the best and the worst. It is. And I can definitely understand that there is the best part that I am missing out on to a degree, but you know.

What's the longest you've had a relationship for? What day is it? Five years. I was with someone from 1988 to 1993. I was mid-30s. It was exactly the time, like, if you're going to get married, you should get married. And it was exactly the person I should have married.

I mean, it proved to me. Do you still speak? Oh, yeah. Good. Oh, absolutely. Oh, yeah. No, we're, we're, we're, we're, we do anything for each other. I mean, I Oh, yeah. No, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're

do anything for each other. I mean, I'm, I'm friends with almost every girl I ever knew. I mean, I'm friends with almost every girl I ever knew. There's a couple. There's a couple. There's a couple. There's a couple. Oh, like, but it's not beefy. Oh, like, but it's not beefy.

It's just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you know, there's some girls who are just like, you are, you're, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, You're not, you're never gonna like settle down. And I'm glad we found this out fairly early. And no, I don't really need to like maintain a relationship with you.

I don't hate you, but you didn't work out. And like now I'm with somebody else. And I'm not gonna talk to you as an old boyfriend and fuck up my real relationship, you know. So there's sometimes that. Sure, yeah. And that's fine too. Yeah.

You know, not everybody you ever come in contact with and touches you, do you have to stay in contact with forever? No, you don't. I said that to my scout master and I meant it. No. Not your priest. My priest. I had, you know, I was raised Catholic No. Not your priest. My priest. I had, you know, I was raised Catholic. Get out of here.

Didn't know that? No. Hmm. Bar is a very Irish name, you know. M-A-G-R is very Irish. And my middle name was supposed to be Aua Wishes. Doesn't get more Irish than that. Jesus.

But we stopped going to church right before I was about to receive my... How come you stopped? It's so interesting. When I made my religious documentary, religious, that was... Which I've watched many times. Oh, God, I'm so glad. I still love...

I was just having dinner with. Oh, oh good, I'm so glad. I still love, I was just having dinner with the director, Larry Jarls, recently. We might do a sequel. But my mother was a year before she died. She died in 2008, and this was 2007. I was like, I kind of knew, I better get mom on camera. But we were making the movie then anyway. And we got the permission from the old church

where we used to go to film it at the church. I don't know who was doing PR for this church, but they're gonna rot in hell. I'm telling you, I don't even believe in hell, but this idiot to let me into the church, doing a movie about religion. And that's the first question I asked my mother and it's great.

You know, when you work with someone, including your mother, who says, working with my mother, you get to places you wouldn't like if you weren't working with them. You just do. And I'd never said to her, asked her this before, but I said, you know, why did we stop going to church? Because she never went, because she's the Jew. So, she's... But then to the Jewish religion, you're a Jew.

I always hate when people say that, because it's like, I don't have to live by your rules. That's your rule. I love the Jews, but I don't live by Jewish rules, okay? Your rule is, first of all, my mother was bare, she never set foot in the temple. She was not religious. I didn't even know I was Jewish and I was 13. This is the other question I had for her is, why didn't you tell me? Why did it just come up one year at Christmas?

And she had no answer for that, but she did tell me that the reason why we quit going to church is because a new pope came in and he was very conservative and he was very against birth control. And I wanted to say to her, I didn't even know you were fucking because, you know, your parents, they're not being they fuck twice. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. And it just, I mean, I was 50 years old and I was blown away. And it's my mother, somebody I should have known, but yeah.

It's weird because my mother Irish threw in through and she was Catholic and my father was Jewish. Oh, you're the opposite. was Catholic and my father was Jewish. Oh, you're the opposite. Yeah. But you were raised Jewish. Yeah. Yeah, I think it would have gone easier for me if I had had that. I would have rather than with the Jews because I think there wasn't as much guilt and you know that Catholic bullshit. and that Catholic bullshit. I mean, I'm not on team Hebrew or, no, I'm an atheist, but I mean,

the Jews definitely are a religion that in general, it does not focus as much on the afterlife. It's not as much about scaring the shit out of you. It's not as much about scaring the shit out of you. It's not as much about devils and demons and bullshit. I mean, there's certainly bullshit in it. I've been to Jerusalem. They do a lot of crazy things. There's a lot of crazy Jews.

But generally, for the rank and file Jew, and there's how many in the world, 15 million, it's a very small amount of people who have... Tiny. Tiny to consider all the achievements very small amount of people who have... Tiny. Tiny, to consider all the achievements from a cadre of people that small is pretty amazing. It is pretty amazing. And that's why a lot of people think that, you know,

when you get all the white supremacists, they rule the world, they do this, no, they just are educated. Yes, white supremacists, so I think of as real white supremacists, white supremacists aren't never what I would think of as educated. I would think of them as red necks, and I mean, no more attractive people whose necks are actually red. No, but they are very ignorant people who live in a bubble, who, you know, conspiracy theory bullshit,

and they just are just so on educated that they don't get the true facts. Know the facts first. Right. Before you make your mind up. Do your research. Right. Don't just assume. And you know, it's, um, it always frustrates me, you know, and then if anything goes wrong in the world, oh, it's the Jews. The Jews bought fucking COVID. It is amazing the way the Jews are just consistently the go-to.

And then there's Kanye that starts on the Jews and then you get people on freeways on the 405, with swastikers, you know, defacing all Jewish cemeteries. And it's like people like that who have a huge young following a very dangerous when they spew out their opinion, which is an uneducated viewpoint. No, and look, it's not a competition which minority group has had it worse.

We are allies of all the people who have been forever, whatever reason, shittapan and hunted and downtrodden and prudent unfairly. But in the last hundred years, I mean, there's nobody who's had it worse than the Jews. The Holocaust was in the 1940s, okay? Were black people treated well in America? No, they weren't in the 1940s, and there is still racism today. But they were in every country.

But six million people were hunted, rounded up and murdered. But not only Jews. They were traveling people, gay people, people that had disabilities. So it wasn't just Jews who had all of those on. Yes. So it's like, you know, it's just...

When people go, my heritage, my legacy, this, that, the other, it's like, yeah, well, what about the Jews, mate? And do you know what somebody of color said to me in England, a friend of mine? And I asked him because he's a lot younger. And I'm like, okay, what do the... What are your people think of Jews? And he goes, they don't give a shit. Most people we're talking about.

This person you're talking about. He's a person of color. Oh, okay. Yeah, but English guy. Right. And I'm like, so it's, when you say to people of color, well, yes, you've been persecuted, but how about being persecuted for 4,000 years?

And you go, well, what about the Irish? What about the Scottish? You could go on and on. Oh, yeah, I mean, I don't think people understand. My people, the Irish people, were subjugated by your people, the English. Hey, I'm a half Irish. Give me a break. I know.

But it's like, you know what I mean? But people forget what happened to the Irish. I don't think people, I think people think of Ireland because it's right near England. And maybe they know that the northern part of it, northern Ireland is actually part of the United Kingdom. But they think of them together for good reason. They're very close together. But the Gaelic people in Ireland did not speak English at all.

So when the English conquered Ireland, they were conquering a country that was as different from England. Exactly. As many of the other countries they conquered in the world. But they stole their land, they tortured their people. Yes, they treated the English very harshly. With the English treated the Irish despicably,

and it went on for years and years and years. So, you know, again, it's not a competition. It is an competition. All I'm ever saying is, let's be realistic. Let's be realistic and look at things with perspective. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of reasons for suffering. And racism is certainly America's number one worst crime. Hands down. But there's other bad things and other bad things have happened to people and let's look forward, let's

acknowledge the past, but let's not dwell there. Yeah You've got to move on at some point you've got to let it go. You have to and but this thing is that's a thing about learning from History because you have to know the history to be able to change. Yes And that's why it's important that people understand about The knowledge where we realistically are in the world now. It's different 2023 is really quite different. Even then 2003. So, you know, I know that as a white person,

I can't know as well as, of course not, agreed. None of us can't, but it doesn't mean we're not, we're present. I'm passionate, you want to change. And also, we're, we're passionate. You want to change. And so we'll wear and have a pair of eyes. Yes. I can see how the world has changed. Maybe not as well as you, but I can see it. And it's just, it's just acknowledge and move on from a point of realism of where we are today. And, you know, how about a pat on the back, as opposed to lots of countries that

never got over a lot of their shit from their past. But America did. You know, America is able to change. It's like this irredeemably racist, not irredeemably. No, it's not. Not irredeemably. It's not. It was horrific for way too long, but most people today in America are just not there. I mean, we have polling on this. Like, something like over 90% of people of both races want to live in a mixed race neighborhood. That never happened when I was a kid.

Well, I looked at a completely all-white town. See, I didn't. I was brought up in a town that, well, in a part of London that was full of Jamaican people and African people, and it was brilliant. Well, that's not the common experience of some of your age in England, though. Yeah. I lived in an area though. Yeah. People. I lived in an area called Brixton. OK. And the immigrants used to congregate there.

That was their area. But it was also a very artsy area. And but it was a lot more interesting. Oh, it was great. It was great. Yeah, right. There was a great vibe where I was brought up. but it was, you know, people used to go, you live in Brixton, yeah, sure.

I went to England to London for the first time in 1984 to do the Bob Monk House show. Oh, you know. I loved him. Okay, so tell people who he was, because you can tell it better than me. He was just a very, very great comic, but he was very well-educated. So he had a show. He had a show, a variety show, that went on forever. Right. It was described to me as a combination

of Johnny Carson and Ed Sullivan, because it was kind of also a talk show. Because he interviewed me for like, 28 minutes. But it was a variety show of talk and entertainment. Yeah, I was 28. It did not really go great. You know, I remember giving them like my, they were looking for young comics. But in 1984, I remember walking around London like it was all white. It was all white. But you go outside of London out. But now it's totally changed. It went from,

I read this in Andrew Sullivan's column, it went from in 50 years, it went from 86% white to 36% white. Now, this is not a complaint. See, if we were conservatives, this would be like a lament. Great. It's a fact. It's a fact, and it's a happy fact. And if you can't just discuss it.

Just don't tell me we're living any year, we're not living in. We're living in the year when London is mostly people of colour. Yes, it is. And I'm applauding it. Yeah. Happy for you. Happy for it.

Okay, I'll... But let's live in the year we're living in. It's... You go to Windsor, Windsor Castle, okay? And the town, of course, is called Windsor. And it used to be when I was a kid, all English T-Shops with China, and everybody used to go there for afternoon tea,

and you'd go to Windsor Park and watch some polo. And now you go around there, there's no more fucking T-Shops. Right. None of that. It's Arabic restaurants. Right. It's Jamaican restaurants. It's Chinese.

It is a complete and utter melting pot. And that's great. And it's great. And there's always going to be some people, and we can't hate them for it, who remember the T-Shop. And that's their memories of their youth, and where and where they first like fell in love or whatever. And so they're going to be nostalgic for it.

And that you can't hate them because they're like, I don't recognize my country anymore. Because in the Brexit vote, there was a lot of that. People said that. People who lived in England their whole lives. Of course. And the old village green England I did traditional things have gone right and we still have the royal family that is way too traditional It's way too. I love them, but they're way too traditional. It needs Right no my message to those people is always

Sorry, but that's life on earth. Things change. Nothing stays the same. Nothing stays the same. I mean, if you stay the same, you're left behind. You don't have to like the change, but you can't just stand there in the middle of the street and go, stop, I am standing a fort change. It just doesn't work that way.

Change is going to come, and it's going to roll over you. It's how you deal with it. That's right. You know, you can move. You don't have to. Maybe, you know, it's sad. Maybe it would be a better choice to try to adapt to what's new. But just be something that's new.

Doesn't mean it's bad. It's good. No, but it's, or that it's bad. Or that it's bad, right? So it's, you know, you just, you can't stop. When you're young, you think everything new is automatically better. Yeah, we didn't use to think men could get pregnant. No, that's stupid.

Okay, that's stupid. Oh, don't get me to stop. No, but I'm just saying like, it's new. Yes, it's new. It's new thinking. You know, I mean, I could start eating in the bathroom and shit in the kitchen, it would be new. Well, it wouldn't make it better.

It doesn't mean it's good. So I'm just saying, some things that are new are good, and some things that are new are just dumb. We haven't tried them out. I looked at this ad online, and it was for pregnancy pillows. Those long pillows that wouldn't lie on and they put their leg on and it takes the pressure of their belly.

Oh, I see. And it was being modeled by a man. And I'm like, who am I? Hold on. Really? Yes, we know that certain lawful dietsredites can get pregnant and that's amazing. Well, that's not who they're talking about when they say pregnant. They're talking about trans people. Of course, but they can't fucking get pregnant.

No, it's so, it's so, so. So why are we pretending? Oh. It's pretending. Because everything's pretending. There was a guy in the paper the other day in the English newspapers and he was trying to breastfeed a baby and the baby was on his nipple, but it's a fucking guy. So what the fuck are you doing?

See, you need to show where you can talk like this. The problem is that you are on CBS, the old person's network of detectives. Yes. I always say to actors on the down slide, take your detective series like a man. And fucking get out. There's no shame in doing detective work on CBS. It's honest work.

It should not be denigrated. As long as you know when to leave, I didn't. But okay, but you were like, I mean, I'm trying to think of how I would feel. If I was like, oh my God, and it's noon, it's more morning, you're taping, and it's like a bunch of politically correct people, you have to like tiptoe around. This is not you.

No, it's not. You need this. I would. You need this. I would. You need this and it's better and it's more real, better for you, because who you really are is good and it shines through. And it's just like, it must have been just so exhausting. At my husband and my parents, who just say to me, what the fuck are you doing that for?

You do not belong in daytime. Right. And I know it, but I knew I could never get a nighttime show. Well, yeah, I don't know. I mean, who knows what could happen? First of all, everything is moving away from shows. I mean, we're in a podcast. Could I do this on a show like a foot?

No, of course not. And I wouldn't want to put them in that position. I mean, I guess I could go into HBO tomorrow and say, I wanted to do the show high for now. And I just wouldn't. It's not that kind of show. And I love that show the most. But I think, I mean, Robert Kennedy was here.

He's running for president. He was here like two weeks ago. And getting a respectable number, I mean, he's Robert Kennedy. And the idea that a candidate for president would sit down in a place like this with a guy smoking pot and they're swearing, but that's where the country is. We're not formal anymore.

We're not pretending anymore. We're not pretending anymore. Trump broke all those barriers. Oh, oh. He says pussy and motherfucker and he fucks around. He makes fun of emblazes. Everything. There's no more, and America is just like, yeah, we're in our sweatpants at home.

We're just not that kind of people anymore. So like this, that's, I think that's why I'm loving this podcast because it's like the, we've hit the bottom. We're just like, no, this is the ultimate where there's like no filters between how you actually really act and what we're putting out. Now there are on other podcasts. They're in the day. They've got the big penis mic in their face. You know, it's still... Headphones on. Yeah, Headphones. It's a... That's fine. But we're at the very ground floor here. And that's what you need, I think. Yeah. That's what you need. I mean, you should do a podcast for Club Random. I never, ever felt comfortable sat at a fucking desk or a table or whatever.

That's why they liked you, but they only saw like the percentage of it you could show. You know, which is a compliment to you because even with a percentage, it still worked. I mean, you were very successful in television. But I feel like after you got canned not to view the talk. It's all, yeah. Yeah, okay. So I feel like after that,

like very soon after I read in the tabloids, which I read every week, and I don't care who knows it, all these stories about like, oh Sharon Osborne's gonna get her revenge because she's got this growing and this growing and this growing and what happened in your revenge? I don't need to. Oh.

Because I know about me, I know what need to. Oh. Because I know about me. I know what I am. But you don't want you never wanted another show after that. Of course I did. But I never knew what it was. You definitely... You fucked touch me in this town. Are you fucking joking?

That's so amazing. Because you did nothing. I did nothing. I did nothing. And people know I did nothing. It's so scary. Did you watch the idol? Of course. I did nothing. I'm people. No, I did not. It's so scary. Did you watch the idol? Of course. You did. Yeah. It was exactly what I thought it was.

Which is entertaining and you know, they're both entertaining stars the weekend and I thought the weekend surprisingly is a really good actor. He is a good actor. He really is. He pulled you away and she's just beautiful. And a good actor. Yeah. Yeah. Really roast that. Yeah.

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That was primed time. TV. Yeah. Do you remember that? Of course. And then at 11 o'clock at night, somebody used to read chapters from the Bible. And they called it the epilogue. And they would say, good night with a chapter from the fucking Bible.

Oh my god. Yeah. One that's off the hook now though, right? Oh, it's wild. It's like the most expensive city in the world, right? Plenty of Russians, isn't there? Everybody, Arabs, Russians, you name it. But everybody with money.

Yeah, big time money. So like the common people, how do they fucking... I do not know, honestly Bill, I do not know that every day regular people, how they survive. I do not know. I don't know. I mean, that's just a subject I've talked a lot about on real time and done editorials about. And I just don't, I don't know how we both live in a country where they take more than half my money,

more than half for many, many years. And I'm even okay with that if I thought it went to... If you're right places. Well, how can you take more than half of my money and we still have this kind of income inequality? How can both those things be true? You take more than half and we still have people in the streets and still.

But what about the state tax that we have to pay here? Well, that's not- There's no infrastructure. Well, that contributes to why I'm paying more than half. It's 39% federal, 13% state. So we're already up to 51. And then sell tax and fees and bullshit tax and fuck you tax and stop sign tax and whatever.

OK. How about when we leave here, we still have to pay tax? What do you mean? That's what I mean. We still have to pay tax. What do you mean? That's what I mean. We still have to file here. We still have to pay tax here. It's tough. You said that this is becoming up because you're moving to England,

so you had to look into. No, that's the law. California is taxing you after you leave the state. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they not just me, everybody that does. Oh, I didn't think they wrote a law just for you. That's actually in the Constitution, you can't do that. Okay.

How can that possibly be constitutional? To tax up, oh my god. California is even worse than I thought. Yeah. I really got you by the boat. That is really, that's really upsetting. Oh my God. More? So, when Prince Harry and Meghan go back to England,

they will have to be paying state taxes to California. If they've lived here over a certain number of years. And what do you here about that? I, it's just such a long-term situation. I mean, the fact that... But isn't that what was the... So you were like fired like a three-ball in the corner pocket. You, it was a bank shot.

You were just, it wasn't even what you said. It was what Pears Morgan said. Yeah. And then you... And I said he's got freedom of speech. Right. He's a journalist. He's now a man. I'm remembering it. And he's outspoken. And he's right. And he's right. And he knew Megan. Well, he saw... Okay, Mrs. coming back to me. He saw the... Oh, first. Okay. Oh, first of all, there's so much bullshit in that interview. Listen to this.

I thought she was South American and then people say you're being racist. I'm like, what the fuck is racist about somebody looking there from South America? I would never have guessed it. I would have never thought that she was from California. Put it down. They look like, I mean, they look like they so overplayed their hand as far as, you know,

the victims and people just got sick. Please, please, please, the victims and I'm not well and yeah, neither am I. I mean, I'm not fucking well. I will, I will always give a little slack to Harry because he served in the military. Can you imagine a princeling of America? George Bush somehow won the 2004 election, pretending that he has service in the Texas National Guard was anything but a dodge. Somehow they switched things around, and John Kerry, who was a legitimate war hero.

Somehow he was the asshole, and George Bush, who got favored in by his rich daddy into the National Guard. That's crazy, but that's what happens to a princeling in America when there's a war. But this kid did go to Afghanistan, and he did. He said he killed 25 Afghans. Other than that, the wedding went off without a hitch. Oh, perfect. It was beautiful.

Beautiful. No, I was beautiful. Beautiful. No, I'm kidding. I don't know. I was so, I hoping he's saying he said Afghanis, but it's something means the Taliban. And I think he worked in a helicopter. Yeah.

So I think that means shooting people with bullets from the sky, which, yeah, I get there the bad guys, but they're in their pajamas and you have this gun that shoots like 3,000 bullets a second and it's a little unfair. You know, they've got a Toyota pickup truck. That's their tank. Even so, the Russians tried, the Americans tried, they still didn't get it. What do you mean tried?

Oh, so we're all, of course. The Taliban, well, the Afghani nation has won each time. How long does the Russians therefore? Well, you know the great thing that the famous line from the Afghani says to the, any of those Westerners who tried to take over, but it could be an American.

You've got the watch, but we've got the time. And that's really what it's about. Yeah, we have the equipment, and they're like, yeah, we've seen this before, we can wait you out. Yeah. And they did. And, you know, girls are now in the situation they were before we got there. You know, the Taliban are not big on girls schools, they're not big on girls, getting educated.

And how liberals can be on the wrong side of this issue is the biggest mind-boggler for me. Like how you can somehow, when I criticize traditional Muslim societies, for the way they engage in what you have to call gender apartheid, putting fucking bags over women's heads, you're actually putting a fucking bag over a chick's head, but I'm the bad guy, because I'm pointing this out.

You're the liberal, and you're on the other side of this issue? Really? Because that's Islamophobic or whatever bullshit word you wanna call it. Really, I'm not the, okay. That's when I knew they had lost their way when they got that issue wrong after 9-11.

That's when it, okay, things have switched up now. But look at the appalling pictures that came when the Americans left. Exactly. I mean, there's a reason that the Afghan mothers were handing their babies to us as the planes left. I mean, when you give up your baby to a stranger as a plane is leaving, that's not a great advertisement. I wouldn't put that on the tourist poster. No.

But it's happened so many times that why everybody knew when they were leaving so why not help the people that help the Americans, all the Afghans that help the Americans? Why not put them in front line to get out of the country? And they just left them. No, it was, I mean, I'm sure they've gotten some out since, but look, what always happens, if you don't get them out right away, of course, then the new regime comes in, which is the top. And is that up to them? Of course, of course, then the new regime comes in, which is the result. And these are all of them.

Of course. The first thing. Same thing happened in Vietnam. Exactly. You think when the North Vietnamese regular army arrived in Saigon, I mean Ho Chi Minh City, but at the time Saigon, do you think that they just were, oh, yeah, you helped the Americans during the war? Wow, you know what? That's a great, it's a great, no. It was your head on a spike. Yeah. It's strange that, you know, the Democrats, Spiten, like I've said this,

The Democrats, Biden, look, I've said this, if it's him against Trump, I will vote for his head in a jar of blue liquid. I don't care if he's a thousand years old, still better. But like, why pull out of Afghanistan, which is a gutsy move, and then do it wrong? What was the fucking hurry? What was the hurry that you couldn't take six months

to plan it properly? That's what I'm saying. That's all you needed. That kind of shit bothers me and worries me more than ideology differences. I get the ideology differences, but then there's just competency. Like whatever your politics are, you can't even just do it. It is. Well, it was exactly the same if you look at footage of when America left Vietnam,

the panic, the gate closed at the embassy and people climbing over. Punching people. Punching people. Punching people to that to what was happening in airports. Punching people trying to get into helicopter. Yeah. It just is so fucking heartbreaking. No, it's exactly. I mean, I'm all for America conquering places and it's laving their people and changing their religion. But when you leave, you've got to make a good exit. You know, otherwise you just look like a shmup.

But then again, hasn't history taught us something? It has taught some people something. Unfortunately, those are not the people that run the world. But what are you saying? What are you saying? No, I mean, because you have learned from Vietnam. Oh, of course. Now America doesn't learn.

Well, because America is a youth worshiping country. So it looks at older people, and people who have wisdom. They're the bad people, because they know things. And knowing things, it's going to get in the way of your feelings. So. Or of trying to brainwash younger people. Right. Yes. Your kids are not. They never got that disease, yes. Your kids are not, they never got that disease though,

because I talk to Jack here. No, he's a guy. Yeah, very level headed. Yeah. Like none of that stupid millennial woke bullshit. Oh, God. No, no. No, no.

Slightly you got trutum in there. No way. They have their own opinion. And Kelly also. Yeah, you have their own opinions. And Cali also. Yeah, you have your own opinions. You don't have to follow the masses. And the thing is, what I've always taught them is, there's nothing like debating.

And you do. Right. And as long as nothing is attached to hate. Right. It's fine. That's always the way it was in your family. Always. Really? Not the way it's, it's, don't go with the masses if you don't want to.

If that's what you definitely feel in your soul, but if you don't, then stick to your guns. And like when you were having like, you know, dinner together with the whole family, would issues come up like that? And there would be lively debates around the dinner table. Sure. Of course. And I think that people that have gone through a war, my parents went through a war. So I think that you are...

Mine too. Yeah. So you are... Grounded. Yeah. And you have a perspective on how bad life on Earth can get. Yes. And my father lost a lot of his family. Sure.

So it's... You were brought up on debating things. So, where are you living now? If you move back to London, right in the city? No, we're outside of London. We have a home that we've always kept. How far have you been? 35 minutes. Oh, perfect.

Yeah, like we're all the British Royal celebrities live. George Harrison. Yeah. Wow, it's true. Like all of them have a state outside of London. Outside of London, because you want to have access to the city. If you want to go in there, you know, like take acid with your dentist or something.

Yeah. And, but you don't want to live right there and you know, like take acid with your dentist or something. And, but you don't want to live right in the congested city. You want to, because the English countryside, it's so beautiful. It is beautiful. Rolling green hills and all that. So, where is this? This is on Butford on Chitz. Buckingham's sheer. Buckingham's sheer, of course it is. It's called Buckingham's Shear. Buckingham's Shear, of course it is. And as you guys say, Buckingham's Shire, go. How many centuries back does your castle go? Like, how, when was this bill?

12,500. Just 200? Yeah, I saw some show with Jeremy Irons. Yeah. And his house, he lives, he bought a castle, So, some show with Jeremy Irons. Yeah. And his house, he lives, he bought a castle, a real castle, like from, you know, 1200. And the room, I mean, it's just so cool.

And of course, you know, he's got it wired with mod, and he's got his computer in there. It's not like, you know, what to be living in, something that looks like that, just his mind blowing. But you see, I find places like that and not comfortable for me. No, it's a drafty old fucking castle, of course not.

Yeah, I mean. We have central heat now, but I'm sure they did everything they could. Oh, sure, yeah. To make it, and I'm sure they have heat. But you look at Jeremy Irons, and that's where he belongs.

That's, do you know what I'm saying? He's that man. Well, you can't belong there unless you've gotten a lot of lolley from working because that thing must not have been cheap. And to redo, to keep that thing up heat. And then to redo, yes. No, it's definitely a variation on being a baller, but it is baller.

It is fucking castle. I mean, try to take a maiden in there and not get laid. Okay, I mean, just give her a glass of meat. Have the jester come out. Oh, sure. A little show. To a little jousting. And I mean, it's funny when you think about

I'm getting this from movies and stuff, but like the way people like fucked and shit back then, like there was a bucket by your bed. And you know, there are very few books that you read from that time where they talk about the stink in the streets. In the way people stunk. There are still cities in this world that stink. I won't name names. No, really.

But yeah, yeah. Places can stink. I mean, sanitation. Have you been to India? I have not been to India. As soon as you get out of the plane, Have you been to India? I have not been to India. As soon as you get out of the plane, shoo, shit. And it's like so oppressive with the condensation everywhere,

the humidity and smell of human shit. Oh, oh, yes. I mean, people are still going to fields to fucking shit. Yes, well, I mean, we've made to fields to fucking shit. Yes. Well, I mean we've made I can brighten the mood. We've made great strides here Yes, yes at the Clemberg Academy No, but the world has made great strides in getting people to stop shitting in the street other than Los Angeles now in Because there's a lot of people shitting in the streets here.

Picky. Yes, and San Francisco. Yes. Well, you call it shitting in the streets. I call it justice shitting. No, it's wrong, but you know, let's not be judgmental about shitting in the street, but there was up until pretty much the end of the 20th century, a real problem with about a billion people around the world shitting in the street regularly. That was, you know, public defecation was not unusual. We have greatly reduced that number of people shitting in the street. So, if you just text the number on your phone there to our charity room.

We would like to get the last few people who are shitting in the street to cut that shit out. No, it's... And that's the kind of thing I always say about progress. People just, it just does not make news. I mean, that's actually a big story. Because it's good news. Nobody wants to read good news. Right, no, it doesn't sell papers.

No, it really doesn't. And yet, it should. They should have it a better headline. Streets, less full of shit. Yeah. Why not? Double-paved spread. Smell disappearing also. You should, yeah, I should be in color, double-paged. But no. I didn't know why we got on to talking about that. But London is, London, I never read about a homeless problem in London.

There are homeless, but nothing like here. But they're not on the street. No, no. What, that, that, that? I can't, because you can't. Okay, exactly. Because that is the decision of public officials. You cannot set up home in the street.

You can sleep in the street in a doorway, but you cannot take up home. You cannot put a tent. No tent. No, no tent. No. No tent. No. No. No tent. No. No. No tent. No. That's where it all went wrong for us, right? Right. And no cardboard boxes, nothing like that. Right. It's like, it's the street. It's, it's, it's again, the same principle as I was saying before about like the reverse of what liberalism really is. Liberalism is for the sake of humanity and compassion, can we get these people off the streets? And woke is how dare you ask them to move, this is their home. They have rights. No, it's not. There's got to be, there's

easily a better solution to this. You know, get a barracks. They're not that expensive. And people who don't, if you absolutely don't have a home, we will provide you with one, we will do our best to keep it secure, we'll have security guards, we'll keep the lights on, whatever. It's not undueable. With the amount of money that they've had for. Oh my God.

I don't know anything. But instead they put them in hotels, that's your answer, hotels. Can you imagine what those hotels are? Oh, I'm sure. We know. I mean, and it's, you know, this is where the Sanctuary City people got hoisted by their own batard, you know. Liberal states have said, we believe in the concept of a sanctuary city

and then the states where the migrants were coming over, the border like Florida and Texas, they said, okay, we'll send them to you then. And of course they didn't like it. And it's just a good example of, could everybody just stop the posturing? Don't pretend that you love migrants so much. And then when we send them to you, you don't like them. You know? You're full of shit.

And we can see that. Yeah, you like them when it wasn't your problem because you're not a border state. And then when they show up in Chicago in New York, you're like, what the fuck is going to do with these people? Yeah. You know, and there's got to be a solution of this that is compassionate. Is it that hard to be compassionate without being an asshole?

And the thing is, I would say 95% of immigrants want to work. Of course they do. They want to work. They want to take care of their family. We need immigrants. We always have, this is a nation of immigrants. They're the lifeblood of this country.

It would be like stopping eating or something that nourishes you over time, but you have to do it. You don't like eat 12 meals in one sitting, which would be like a million people showing up at the border at once. You do it in a, again, why can't Biden? The people, I get that the Republicans are not at all organized. That's not their thing. It's all about performance art and how you feel in your gut. And we love America, even though we're actually traders to it in a lot of ways. But we love Russia, but we love America.

We don't believe in democracy, but we love America. I get it. It's all the flag and that bullshit. But Democrats were always supposed to be sort of the, well, we know how to make government work. And a lot of them did. Obama did. Hillary Clinton would have. They're wonky people. So when Biden got in, I was like, really? I thought you were that kind of guy. But you didn't have to pull out of Afghanistan.

You can't seem to like get a thing going on the border that's compassionate, but not stupid. You know, again, the competency worries me more than the ideology. Like, it makes me think no matter what politics you people are, you're the same person who can't get anything done. A lot of promises, but nothing is done. It was as if because he said, I'm going to pull troops out of Afghanistan. First thing he does is pull troops out of Afghanistan with no planning.

So what do you think your life's going to be like in London when you move back there? I mean, wherever in Biffin, Chip, Shushar. Just fucking them share. It's gonna be very different to here. It's gonna be very much. I don't see you be happy just sitting at home. No, I never can.

I just couldn't. So what are you gonna do? I'm not that person. I'm not that person. Where's your nearest neighbor? About 400 acres away. So what are you going to do? Like, take the Jeep over to have a cup of tea.

You're going to get bored. I don't like neighbors. OK, but what are you going to do all day? Work? Work at what? Work from home. Do my podcast. Do different things.

Oh, do your podcast. I'm doing, actually, I'm working on getting a museum for Aussie and Black Sabbath in the hometown of Birmingham. And we're also going to make it a gig too. There'll be a gig attached to it. I also was school to teach kids how to play real instruments. What do they play now? They don't know.

Computers. All right, man. So a museum. A memorabilia, great, you know, lot of, it's gonna be very, very high tech. And do you think the impressionable mind of a six or seven year old will be able to go to this museum dedicated to Ozzy Osborne and really about music. It's all about music. It's about

people that came from nothing that made it worldwide. It's a dream. They got out. They made it. And it's like, Yeah, but then every... Be teaching people about music. The problem with that is that... And to have a gig attached so that there's a place for new talent to play. Because there's not many places like that anymore. I feel like too many people want to be musicians. I feel like we should discourage this, not encourage this. How can you say that? I feel like we should discourage this not encourage this I feel like kids it's easy to say kids you should have a dream, but

It seems like for most kids there's only one dream American Idol I'm a rock star. I'm a model. You know, it's like it's not I'm I'm working for doctors without borders now. I don't think that's their dream. But... There are still... I agree that it isn't a huge amount when you go down the list, but there are people that want to learn to play instruments that want to learn how to write music.

And you know, so what do you think of the music that's out today? Do you like any of it? Sure do. Yeah, me too. Yeah, sure I do. People still make records that sound like records that could have been a hit in our era. Like they could have been a hit.

Whenever I hear a great one, the weekend does, when he... Right, he's great. I mean, I've heard his album. A lot of it is like not for me and then when he gets his whole his hands on a hit single it's like perfect. Yeah. And they sound like records that could be could have been a hit in the 70s. I love for no mores. Yeah he's good. Yeah. Yeah, so, and then there's lots of stuff that like, I don't get the sort of depression trend with a lot of the, you know, the Billy Irish, the Irish, the Atlanta Del Rey,

Demi Lovato, I mean, it's like music to be depressed too. You know, can you dance to depression? There's a subgenre of like very sort of low energy, low... Down. ...happy, very down. But then you look at the Britney Spears and all of those people. Britney Spears. all of those people. Previous spears.

Yeah. She hasn't made a record. Could you know how many people follow her? And she's happy doing her dances every day. Flipping her head around, tits out. Isn't she a little crazy? I mean, isn't that really what's going on here? It's like they...

She's a victim. Oh my God. She is a victim. Yes, she made me... A victim of a... Yeah, you're right. Pushy parents that pushed her out there as a kid. You're right.

And I can remember... Okay. I can remember watching an interview of hers where she was saying that there was one Christmas and they were in New York She was in a Christmas play in New York when she was a kid and her mom and her had rented some shit-hole apartments and it was cold and How she would spend her Christmas there and her Sister and brother were at home with the dad having a jolly old piss off at home. And

she was there, the working one. Right. And from when she was a father, she was sent out there. You know, that's from the pushy stage, mother. But don't you think that at some point, the meaning of an adult is someone who says, okay, bad things have happened to me in the past, but I'm going to make a conscious decision on this day to just live in the present. And not let the past define me and dictate how I am. Now, there's a limited ability to... But there's a lot of people that are not like us,

that are strong. You're right. And fucking can do with it. You just, you just have to fucking deal with it. You're telling me right. And there are people that are too delicate mentally. You're right. You're right.

And she unfortunately, for her. Right. And I feel that she is a painter. No. She's just a, who? She had a manager that kept fucking pushing that little girl out that little girl out. She was doing fucking a talent show here She did ex-factor that we could show it from England. I tried. Yeah, I did. She was on a talent show with an ear

Peace in and the boyfriend who is an agent was telling her what to fucking say. Wow. Now, I got to say, I think that was probably a good decision. But she needs the money that much. You need the commission, the manager pushing, pushing the parents. No, you're right. She's a hooter's waitress who had a big career happen to her.

And it just, it's one of those, be careful what you wish for, because, right, because it just wound up making her more unhappy than she would have been in her normal life as a huders waitress, right? Yeah. But she, isn't she married now? Isn't that some source of stability?

I don't know. Is that a real some source of stability? I don't know. Is that a real marriage or is it? I don't know. I hope so for her. Right. But I don't know. Right. It's through Jim teacher or something, right? I don't know.

I've been trying to figure out who was. I think the Golden Trainers now, but to me, it's a Jim teacher. Yeah. Pull up, smart. I mean, it's a same shit. Jumping jack. Yeah. I mean, it paid $20 an hour mean, it's the same shit. Jumping jack. Yeah. I mean, they can pay 200 bucks an hour,

but it's the same shit. Do the rope. Squat. Good old fucking squat. Okay. But yeah, what do you think about Taylor Swift? What do you mean, what do I think about it? In general?

Yeah. Excuse me. Tell her Swift. Well, I like Spark's fly. Do you know that song? You do? My grandkids just love her. Okay.

I don't really get the phenomenon. Okay. That's probably just a generation. Worldwide. A generation. Worldwide. But I give her a lot of props. I mean, that's probably just a generation. Worldwide. Worldwide. But I give her a lot of props. I mean, she's obviously super. She's like Madonna. If Madonna wasn't like completely ice cold, like Madonna is like, if they need to like take out a tumor with like sub-zero temperatures, they'll use Madonna.

Well, she should be in the royal family. She's not hugging Kissie. Right, not at all. Taylor Swift is like super focused and business-like. Yes. But I think you see a person there. Yeah, yeah, you do. And she's just a boy.

And that's enough. Yeah, I'm very right. And like totally like on a 30. Professional. Yes, I'm very right. And like totally like on a 30. Professional. Yes, to say the least. And totally on top of her game in 33. Like, and she's like, okay, this is not gonna be like this forever.

I'm not gonna do this when I'm 50 probably. Or maybe she will. But like, I'm gonna do this show with like, I think it's like 44 songs in the show. I mean, that's a lot of songs to be doing if you're 50 or 80 or whatever. So she's got I'm gonna do it now. Re-recording all her old songs so she owns the, you know, she's very smart, savvy, and very smart. I just... I just... by great people. And she's just on her own thing.

I just don't get the music. It's for a younger generation. If she would do more like Spark's fly, but I just, the ones that are like, anthemic to that generation, I just don't get what the thing is. And it's not, it's not horrible. It's just like, shake it off. I don't get why that. Why would, why would listen to that? If I could put on Crimson and Clover, I don't get why that why what why I would listen to that if I could put on crimson and Clover I don't know

It's for it's for it's for paranoid. Yeah, or war pigs, you know Mr. Crowley I would definitely put on before but you know that's you I have no bad feelings about Teller Swift, I think. I do. I do as a person. But then there are some music artists who are more contemporary, who I do get more. because I think they just, they do those kind of records that remind me of our era. There are some records that I just find more timeless.

And it's funny because like, when I was a kid, late 60s, first learning to listen to music, my father's era was big band music. Totally different sound. I mean, Benny Goodman sounds as different from cream, right? As you could possibly be in the whole spectrum of music. It's clarinet, lead. It's a big band orchestra. That was my father's Benny Goodman and, of course, Jazz Jazz Sonatra as the singer, right? Yeah, that's where he started. Yeah, of course. And that's where he's...

Yeah. Okay. So then Rock and Roll comes in. It's so different. And that was only, you know, over a course of, I mean, big band. Sixties. Yeah, big band music was still big in 1950, in the 50s. Yeah. But you go from when I was a kid till now, and other than rap, it's a lot closer. And there are still lots of people who are making the exact kind of music we listen to

in the 60s, whereas in the 60s, no one was making big band music. No. Okay. But Maroon 5 is not that different than fucking the classics 4 or some band of, you know, it's so that music, that our generation embraced, has had a lot more durability. It's the same as jazz.

Same as jazz. Jazz will never go away. And it'll never go away. But it'll never be huge, but it will always be there. That's good to say. It'll never go away. And it'll never be good. But it would always be there.

There will always be. Yes, so a fungus. But I, yes, I'm not a jazz fan. You're not. No. Are you? It's like, They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there. They were always there.

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It, if it's incorporated into rock music where it's not playing lead, it can be fantastic. Steely Dan found a way to do that. Not a lot of other, there was Chicago to a degree, I mean Chicago was an amazing band. Amazing band. Amazing band. With tons of great records.

Yeah. One of those, one of those bands. Still working. I'm sure they are. Why wouldn't they? Yeah. Any band that can do an entire set, concert set of hits, they deserve to be in a certain pantheon.

You know, the Eagles, you know, there's some of them. Paul McCartney could do eight shows between the Beatles and his solo work that were all... I'm looking at him at 80. He looks fucking incredible. Yeah, I saw him recently had the privilege of sitting down and chopping it up with them.

And he, yeah, he looks great. Obviously, so happy in that marriage. I mean, I said to her, I said, you have a real girlfriend vibe, not a wife vibe. You know, they really look like they're, you know, and, you know, just not full of himself. You know, just happy to another day. Another day. Another dime in the pinball machine. Yeah, I think he knows how blessed he is.

Oh, and we, for having been the beneficiaries of that talent, I mean, his body of work is just beyond. I mean, I think a lot of records that he made, lots of people are not aware of. He made so many great records in his catalog of work. Right, but I think I could probably make you, I don't know how much you got all the solo albums, but I could probably make you a tape of like 20 McCartney songs that you might not know of if you didn't listen to all those solo albums. And not everything on all of them is great, but you can make an amazing tape

that upsongs that were as good as all of his best stuff. Like they could have been Beatles songs, and he had an amazing, he has had an amazing run than I guess is still continuing. But I mean, how long can they go? I mean, is Aussie gonna still get up on stage and he wants to do one more show Because it he didn't end it the way he wanted it to end Unfortunately, he got sick and he says that he wants to say goodbye properly

That's great. He wants to do one more. That's it Good. He's shown he deserves it. He does he a life is. He's iconic for a reason. Yeah, it's musically not just the show. But yeah. Yeah, it's his life like. It's what he does. He says to me that it's the only thing in his life is done right. Well, that's not true. He's got a great family. Yeah, absolutely. But he looks at himself like less than, unfortunately. What does stars do?

Yeah. It's like they became stars because there was some hole that needed to be filled. Yeah. And at the end of the road, after they've been giant stars, it still needs to be filled. Yeah. But you're the one who fills it. I help. All right, I got a pee

Well, I'm not Myself anymore, you're like my own man three times in the night gets up his How many times do you get out? Once. Oh. Okay. I consider that a victory. It is.

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