Club Random with Bill Maher - Sheryl Crow | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: March 24, 2024

Bill and Sheryl Crow on Bill’s love of Sheryl’s documentary, the artist who is most like Bill’s dog Chico, the madness of being famous super young, how it’s impossible to make money from streaming music, Bill’s awesome Sheryl Crow playlist, the things that make Bill cry, the massive artists who love Sheryl, from Prince to Michael Jackson to Dylan to Mick Jagger, Sheryl and Kid Rock talking after a national tragedy, the intrinsic appeal of Sheryl’s lyrics, Sheryl’s secret to hanging onto her money, and a ton more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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the Sage Steel Show on YouTube and click subscribe. That kind of attitude. Yeah. Just so obnoxious. I know. If you get me started, my publicist will run in here in a minute and like she's gotta go. Club. Let me started, my publicist will run in here in a minute and like, she's got to go. Club Randall. Let me just put it to you like this, Bill. There is a book in here, but some people are going to have to die first.

So. Club Randall. So nice. I didn't expect a suit. For you. Well, it's not a suit. I know, but you know. But I did that for you.

I'm very impressed. I wore my rock tee for you. Also, full disclosure, because it's kind a suit. I know, but you know. But I did that for you. I'm very impressed. I wore my rock tee for you. Also, full disclosure, because it's kind of cold in here. So I'm like, oh, I can know. Are you kidding? You know, the coolest booking we ever had. Don't ever say that to the other guests. Although, you know what?

Every other guest I've ever had, and we've had some of the coolest people ever here, they would still agree with that. No one would say, no, that's not the coolest booking. Really. I don't know. Well, I'm such a fan. I'm excited to hear that you are getting ready to have Kid Rock at the Ryman.

And you see that, that's, I compare my dog to Kid Rock because he barks at nothing. So my friend- Oh, I love that. My genius friend- That is hilarious. Made that, that's my dog has one eye. That is my dog with the kid. Isn't that awesome? I was hearing about your dogs.

Are these their beds over here? No, that's because this is a hippie enclave. Yes. Do you remember this joke, Politically Incorrect? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, of course. So I was thinking, cause I watched your documentary.

You didn't want to kill yourself afterwards? Why? No. It brought me to tears, the ending. I thought when it was like 20 minutes to the end, like, then we'd meet your kids. I'm not a kid person, so I was like, oh. You're like, wah, wah. Yeah, but it was great.

Not the kids. Not the kids. But it was okay. You did it well. And then you moved on. And the. Yeah, but it was great. Not the kids. But it was okay, you did it well. And then moved on, and the ending at, was it Bonaro? Bonanara, what is it? Oh, Bonaru.

Bonaru, I mean, what a great ending for a documentary, which is, I did one, you know, you're always looking for an ending. And you think, you get out there, there's nobody there a half hour before the show, and you're like, oh, I'm a legacy act now, and the kids are over me, and then it's this in a half hour, the sea of people,

and you said you were looking at your band like, can you guys believe? I know, literally. It's like they let us out of the old folks' home, and look, they've let all the kids come out to the parking lot. Yeah, but you know, I can't believe you ever thought you were ever out of style.

It's weird. I mean, you know, you've been around for a long time. I don't know if you feel this way, but now listen. And I've said this a thousand times. My 13-year-old when he was nine, he's like, mom, you know you were born in the 1870s. You do get to the point where you feel like, god, I'm aging out of this business, you know?

I did wear my leather pants specifically for club random. Just saying. You look great. You always did. You know, you're a rock chick, so, you know, I mean, you were born to be one. Oh my God, thank you. Really, don't you think?

I mean, not just the great music, but also you had the look, and you also had what it takes to like, I'm sure, I saw in the documentary the harassment, which is not surprising. Like I've had girlfriends in this business. One of them said to me, and she's quite successful, she said, I've never met a man in this industry

who didn't try to have sex with me. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a... I don't know, do you want names or do you? No, no, but doesn't that just sum it up? It is, it is a, it's like a given.

I mean, it's a weird business. I will say, I was older when I made it. Like really made it. I had already been a school teacher. I had to have lots of jobs. Had I been young like they are now, there's no way. If what? If I'd been young like these kids are now

that are coming up and becoming huge, like Olivia Rodrigo who's like 20 or 19, and Taylor who made it with you. And Billie Eilish, Lorde. There's just no way. I would not be able to deal with that. Well, and you see that they sometimes fumble the way through it.

I mean, they actually do better than you might expect, except that those kids, that generation, they're so used to, I mean, everyone is do better than you might expect, except that those kids, that generation, they're so used to, I mean, everyone is sort of famous now. They're so used to, you know, I mean, if anybody was ever prescient, it was Andy Warhol with Everyone's Gonna Be Famous for 15 Minutes. So I don't think it's that big dive and splash into the pool that it would be for people in our generation

because they kind of like of were always like social media and it just got bigger. Yeah, yeah. And also you as the artist manipulate it. Like you create your brand, you advertise yourself, you sell yourself and then the music is just a byproduct of that and you're selling yourself so that you can sell tickets and get advertisers and just,

that was not, that was never part of the way I came up. There just was none of that. In fact, until Bob Dylan did the Victoria's Secret ad, nobody did advertisements or took money for anything except for playing music and selling records. So it's just a different thing. But the main difference is that you can't make money. You cannot make money.

How insane is that? It makes me sad and sick. A very serious relationship with someone who I say was quite successful, is quite successful. But the money, I remember I had, I think it was kind of at the behest of her at the time, I did someone at the top interview of my show to just get this Aloe Blacc, the artist,

and talking about just this issue of, like, was it Pharrell, I think, one year had the biggest song of the year and he made like $12,000. I know. I mean, Spotify, would they pay, what, a millionth know. You know, I mean Spotify, would they pay what, a millionth of a cent for it? I mean it's just there's no.

Yes, it makes me so mad. There's no connection to like, oh I go to the record shop and I gotta choose. I remember once I was standing in Tower Records and I was looking at like, I don't know, but some stranger who don't usually talk to me just said, get the Dylan. I was looking at like, I don't know, but some stranger who don't usually talk to me just said, get to Dylan. I was looking at like two albums

and one was like the big, this is like 1985. I missed that. I missed, we went to the bookstore this morning, or this afternoon. My manager and I walked from the hotel to the bookstore on Sunset. Now, that bookstore, I used to live right down the street from there.

And I have so many memories from that bookstore on Sunset. And right across- You're talking about BookSoup? Yes, right across from what used to be Tower Records. Where I played in the parking lot. Really? When I was first newly signed. Oh, it was big, too.

Big deal for me to play. I mean, there was probably 30 people there and I was like, oh my God. I mean. What was the event though? It was my record release. Oh, I see, so they did it at the record, so it was like a book signing.

Yeah. And 30 people showed up? Yeah, there was probably 30 or 40 people there. That's great that you have that. I mean, it's great. I know, but it's just like, for these kids now, it's like, I don't know. I mean, yes, I was born in the 1870s, what can I say?

I hate it because for me, when you sold records, you knew you had your people. They're people. They were like into what you were doing. How does it even work now, you know? We just went on TikTok, which I will say I called Tic Tac and my 13-year-old was like, mom, mom, no. Really, President Biden?

Literally, literally. Yes. They're like, that's so cringy, mom. But we, like, they can do and know things about that phone and that device and that way of life that we don't even know about. We're like a submarine where we lost our sonar. We're flying blind.

And so, I mean, I've read this many times. It's a common story that the parents, something happened, usually it's something tragic like a suicide, and the parents are like, oh my God, we had no idea. And then they said, we had no idea. And then they said, we tried to look, or they'll go, we looked through the phone. Yeah, they have ways to fool you.

You are so basic on this. They have fake Snapchats. They have fake Instagrams. The good thing is, I have a young, so the young woman that I hired to go on the road with me with my kids When they were really little is now my assistant and wow she does all my social media. She's fantastic and She's like my She's like my investigator

Because I don't know how to work anything and I don't really want to know anything. And I don't really wanna know how to work anything. I really don't wanna know. I'm just like, I don't wanna know. I like to read books, I like to listen to books, you know. Someday I'm gonna do a show called My Five Wives. I thought of this for a long- Have you had five wives? No, I've had no wives.

And the reason why I don't have needed any is because I have five different, my assistant. I know. I'm honestly like, who needs a husband? I have a great assistant. And then my great friend who made this, this next door, he goes on the road with me and, you know, he does all the macho stuff.

He's like, I have five wives and a husband. You know, like, I can't fix shit. He fixes all the macho stuff. He's like, I have five wives and a husband. I can't fix shit. He fixes all the shit. Because something's always broken. That's a great record. You know how you could tell I'm such a fan of yours? I know only of your music, but we have the same taste.

Some of the songs you've picked to cover are not obvious ones, like Beware of Darkness, I love that. And Everything is Broken, I'm not someone who listens to everything. I love that you even know that song. Well that's what I'm saying, you picked songs, oh another one, Sign My Name, One Hit Wonder, I remember that, right?

Yeah, Terrence Trent Darby, yeah. Great, the whole record. That record was great. Yes, and that was the single-Darby? Great, the whole record. That record was great. Yes, and that was the single, I think. Yeah, it was. It was huge. But that was a cover that I'm sure most people

did not know was a cover. Yeah. Oh, well that's a compliment. Those are all ones that are in my iPod. I know, I hear that you still use an iPod, and I love you for it. There I said it. So much better.

I mean, I can, first of all, I can edit on it. Can edit on it, okay. Yes, you can cut off the beginning and the end. You can make this. Oh, really? Yes. See, I don't even know how to work an iPod. You were around for the, you were.

I was, but I didn't know you can edit on it. On your computer, because you do everything on the computer, and then you sync it to the computer. Okay, you download it. Right, so I love that. I mean, I'm anal. So I like that I can see exactly the song and I don't, streaming with this,

you might like, I might not. I want my music, okay? You're like, I download records, listen to them, keep the ones I love, discard the rest, there's nothing, there's no waste in there. When I put it on shuffle, it's my 4,000 favorite songs from going back to 1968. Now how do you get turned on to new songs? Anyway, you know, like you can hear it, I could see, you know, I'm like...

So you would hear it and then you go on your computer and download it from like Apple Music or do you? No, no, no. Yes, I pay for it. Okay. If I like it. So you actually buy the record. I put Pandora.

Okay. Is it Pandora? Yes, Pandora, which is stupid. I love you, Pandora, but you are dumb. You can't do what I can do with playlists. You can only like play songs from like the samelists. You can only play songs from the same era. They don't really have, right. I can put a playlist together from many different decades,

but they all have the same vibe. Pandora, you can't do that, but you're dear to me anyway. Anyway, so I'll put a station. You pick a song you like. Okay, let's hear the whole station, songs that are like that. That's how I often do it. And then you just hit thumbs up,

and then you have a list of new stuff. Usually if I like the song, I'll say, okay, I'm gonna buy, because I buy. You are committed. Yes. You are committed. Well first of all, I think artists should get what they have coming, I'm telling you.

I know this intimately. I do too. Okay, so I'm gonna do my part. So I buy the album, you can still do that. As Emily Harris says, that's your way of voting. Exactly. And then, you know, sync the iPod. Usually buy three albums, like, at a time.

So then, let's do those three three and I'll sync the iPod and then I'll listen, you know, listen. Look, I know you have a new one. They sent it to me two days ago. First of all, I just don't have time. Second of all, I want to buy this the way I bought, I bought every one of your albums and I bought them. They're all good.

Not all of them. Well, there all good. Not all of them. Well, there's good stuff on all of them. Okay, thank you. So I take out the ones I like, but your Sheryl Crow playlist is just fantastic. I mean, it's just one after another great one. Oh, thank you. So all your hits are like...

Thank you. I also love, I don't even know what was a single at my age. You know, like was Abilene, was that a single? That was not a single. Okay, that's a great one. I don't even know what it's about, and I love it. Oh my God, thank you. My favorite record, not my favorite record,

but the favorite record I've made in a long time, the funnest record I've made was a record called Be Myself. Oh, I haven't, of course. I can't believe you have that record. I mean, literally, I think. Was that Roller Skate, is that record. I mean literally I think. Was that Roller Skate, is that on that one? Yes, yes. Oh and Lifestyle?

Yes, oh my God, I can't even believe you. Oh Always On My Side, is that that same record? That one was on. That is it. I can't remember what record that was on. Okay that one, I hate to tell you this. Like nothing makes me cry, well not in life, I'm not a crier, but movies can easily, I don't know why.

Not really over things in life, that's hard. But yes. What do you cry over? Like really, almost any movie that knows how to like hit that thing. I'm a really easy cryer. Okay, The Holdovers, I cried at the end of that. The Holdovers, which one was that?

Yes, it was the one with, what's his name, about the school, the prep school boy who gets left for Christmas. What's the guy's name that plays it? Anyway, check it out. I cried at the end of it, it was so weird. Yeah, it's very easy to do that to me. But musically, much less so.

And I didn't even know why that song, oh, I guess I do. It's just beautiful. And it just really moves me to tears in very few songs. You know what song? Which song was it? Always On My Side. Always On My Side, oh thank you.

The Sting version? Both, I have them both, one after another. You're good. Yeah, no, it's a great duet. You know what song made me? it's not something crazy about that. What? We shot the video for that four days after I was diagnosed to present at the Grammys with Lance, and we had split a few days before that.

Oh God. And Sting went with me to the Grammys. Rough week, huh? It was surreal, but Sting was like, literally like knight in shining armor. He's like, I'll present with you. And he was like, literally like Night and Shining Armor. He's like, I'll present with you. And he was like, literally, I look at the artwork from that song, and he's like got his arms around me.

I look like a freaking deer in headlights. Just, ugh. And that song, you know. You are the teacher's pet for like every great male rock star over like 30 years. teacher's pet for like every great male rock star over like 30 years. I mean spanning the whole thing. I mean Prince loved you. And Mick Jagger and Dylan and you know

all these different everybody, Michael Jackson. That's great. I don't really know if he even knew who I was. Like I read into him at the Grammys after I toured with him for 18 months and I was just like, hey, and he's like, hello. And I was like, I don't think he knows who I am. You weren't his type, grown.

But I don't know, I mean, I don't know. Oh, I think we know. Yeah. Look, I try to be very non-judgmental, but when Oprah threw her lot in with the accusers, I was like, well, first of all, I believe the accusers, right? I mean, you can just tell.

It's not that hard sometimes to tell when people are lying. I just don't think there was enough in it and for these guys to, you know, there's always some money or some fame or something, but it's really hard to go forward even like that. He'd be getting money. It's an icky thing, but on stage, he certainly looked like he was attracted.

Oh, I would say he was insane. You know, he's one of those people. Well, I would say in all the years of my being on the road and working with different artists, and I've been really lucky, but I was new then, didn't have a record deal, and it's the first time I ever started thinking about why some people can

manipulate 60,000 people physically. Like Carlos Santana says, you change the molecules. And there's total divinity in that. If you believe in God or you don't, it's an energy thing. I call it divinity because it is divine and it is not explicable. But then there was this whole other thing, this damage and how a person can hold all of that. I can see why he, I always say he won't live very long because you can't be able to have that be able to have that incredible energy, energetic power, and be that damaged,

and have that inform who you are in your living, everyday, normal life. It just was insane to watch. Because he'd go out and do these moves and sing these songs, and you were just like... transported, like, you were watching something that had never been done before. It was just incredible.

I mean, I will never forget feeling how I felt watching him from backstage, you know? I did not see that, but I did see the movie they put out posthumously where he's doing rehearsals for the tour that never happened. Right, I did not see it. You haven't seen it? I don't wanna, mm-mm.

Okay, well, I'll try to make this brief, just so you're not triggered. Yeah. You know, I mean, this is near the end. He's about to go, remember it was at the O2 in London? He was gonna do the, what was the manager, the promoter, who signed him for what was it, 100 shows,

thinking Michael Jackson was gonna make it through? And he made it through one. It was gonna be a victory. He was like Aaron Rodgers. Not since the guy who turned down the Beatles. Was there a worse decision than, okay. Anyway, so he's rehearsing, and it's intermittently with Dr. Conrad Murray, currently now my personal doctor.

Is he really? No. Oh my God. Yes. I'm like wow. Yes, I have Dr. Conrad Murray, Dr. Eugene Landy, who treated Brian Wilson. Yes, no I know him.

And Dr. Vinny Bumbats, that's my team. No wonder you look so good. Thank you, I owe it all to clean liquor. But, so. Oh my God. Oh shit, what were we talking about? liquor. But, so. Oh my God. Oh shit, what were we talking about? About the show, you watched the documentary. Oh yeah, so, you know, a lot of it is,

and, but there was still moments where, in rehearsal, he would be the old Michael Jackson, and would just go off, and the other dancers in the crew were just like slack-jawed, and then would burst into applause at the end. Yeah. So it was just like a flame that burned very bright consistently for a while,

and then it was just only a flicker, and then once in a while it would chew it up for a moment. Yeah. That was never gonna get through a hundred shows. Never. Not even a healthy person at that. I mean he was already like 40. Or I don't know how old he was at the time.

Maybe closer. No, closer to 50. 50, I mean, yeah. And no nose. You know, a noseless skeleton. That makes it tricky. To perform a hundred shows. Makes it tricky.

It's hard to like. But I must say, I mean you said he's insane. Yes, that is a form of insanity. I think it's like. Insane in a good way. But also a conflicted way, a very conflicted way. No, I don't think really a great way. I think show business at that level,

I mean the thing you were just talking about where the magic, the Carlos Santana thing, that energy, the divinity, whatever you wanna call it, that thing is so powerful that the person who is reflecting that ray off them back to the audience, that ray is transforming their mind. I mean, we see it now with Kanye West. You just see it with lots of people who, it's just like you're a normal person

and then they can't handle this level of adulation and you can have anything you want. That's what warps their brain. And you're allowed to pig out on whatever you want. Drugs. I mean, it's like, you know, young athletes who become huge and get these massive salaries and then wind up, you know, having to claim bankruptcy.

I mean, it's all too much. I think the, I don't know, I think money is, money is man. It's not the money so much. It's power, right? Money is part of it. And the ego and the adoration. That's what it is. The fame and.

It's no one ever saying anything but yes, and can I get you more? Yes. Can I get you a better drug? Yes. Can I get you more pussy? Can I get you whatever? And also, you're dispensable. Whoever is serving you is also highly dispensable.

So that person, and having been around artists that have people that are the yes people, they're terrified of getting replaced. So it's a vicious cycle. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine doing it as a woman. It's that rock and roll, just in general, that lifestyle, it's not really, it doesn't jive with maybe modern women

when we're all trans and we're all non-binary and we make no assumptions at birth, but like old school women of which you are one and I love you for it. Let's say women classic. Yes, I'm a classic woman, yes. Or what do they call it? I'm a, what's the term?

Something about a child bearing, a child bearing, you know, I have something, a menstruating person or whatever. A menstruating person is what we now have to, yes, because we don't want to offend pregnant men or something, I don't know. That's the kind of shit that drives me crazy. It doesn't really work if you've gone through menopause

and then it's just too complicated, Bill. It's just too complicated. Well, there's nothing wrong with teaching that there is a default setting to certain things. And also, we completely accept and respect when something is not the default setting. It's like most people are right-handed.

That's the default setting. They used to actually discriminate against left-handed people. They thought it was like a sign of the devil or some shit. Really. But we got over that. I'm thinking of the left-handed people that I know. And I'm not kidding.

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Listen to Talking Pictures on Max or wherever you get your podcast. Well, first of all, I know you don't have to do this. I can't tell you how appreciative I am. How flattering is it? I wanted to come do it. I know. I know that's why you're here. That's why I'm so flattered.

And I love your show. Thank you. I love the... how thought-provoking and how truth telling and how conversational is. It is interesting, talking about Bobby. I've known Kid Rock for a lot of years. And he and I are. We're a great, I think.

Speaking of picture, I think we're a great illustration I think, speaking of picture, I think we're a great illustration of two people who are very, very different sides, politically. Of course. And we've had some deep and hard conversations, like after the shooting in Nashville. Right. I called him and said,

I need to understand what is happening. I reached out to a lot of different country artists and got nowhere. And he said, I wanna come over and talk to you about it. And we sat and we talked about it and talked about, his grandkids actually go to school where my kids go, or his granddaughter. And people can sit and talk about hard stuff.

And compromise and... This is my quest to follow that song. I wish to... No matter how hopeless. No matter how long. Yes, that's what I'm always trying to do. Well, I appreciate it. And I love...

When this came up, I was like, yes, yes. You know the people I fucking hate the most? Now, if you ask me, who do I think is the biggest threat to this country, it's not even close. It is the right wing. They don't believe in democracy anymore or the environment. I know, it's scary. Yeah.

It's very scary. Donald Trump still exists. He's still out there. We need a bigger boat, blah, blah, blah. But who viscerally makes me want to punch them in the fucking face? OK, who? The kind of people who, like, if you were someone who, after doing picture with Kid

Rock, wouldn't talk to him because he voted for Trump, I'd hate you. That's the kind of person I fucking hate. Okay, so I grew up with a conservative and a liberal. And when I turned 18, my dad and my mom secretly were like, who are you gonna vote for? Because they would always cancel each other out, their votes, and it was always a thing. I mean, in our household, there were heated conversations about what was going on politically.

We had the nightly news, and that was it. Nightly news and then 11 o'clock news, which nobody ever watched. So it wasn't like now, but people talked about shit, you know, and disagreed about it. And that's my only thing. I'm like, we gotta get, what's happening now is terrifying.

I keep saying it, you can hate Trump, you can hate everyone who likes him. It's half the country. You can't. Or at least vote for him. And as much as I would never do that and nobody's been harder on him, I get it. I get where different people are coming from.

They didn't grow up like you. They don't think like you. And you can't make them and you shouldn't try. Let's complete the circle and have our differences be our strength. That kind of stuff that the... -♪ You're my all my loads. -♪ That they're always talking about. But it's true.

I don't want to live in a country without the red states. I like going to the red states. There's something about that being there that I don't get here. Like, a bad fucking attitude. You know? There's something about that being there that I don't get here. Like a bad fucking attitude. You know? Just, not as judgy.

Sorry, I'm going in for my second. They told me there was free beer on this podcast, so I'm like, oh yeah, all the. I gotta say, beer comes up in your songs a lot. I am a beer drinker. Oh, I can tell. Now, let me just tell you. What?

My wild years were a little later, right? My wilder years were a little later, and now I've pulled back to just the occasional beer. But have you ever counted how many songs of yours have beer in the lyrics? What can I tell you? Just really hoping for that endorsement. What did you think when he shot the Bud Light? Did you call him in? I'm going to be honest with you. And I don't know if you'll see this or not. That's why I called him and said, I need to understand where the hell you're coming from when we just had. And I said, what? is it Budweiser,

is it the trans Dylan? Because neither one of those have anything to do with how much money you make or your freedom. He knows that. Yes, he did, and so I said, I need to understand, and he's like, I'm gonna come over. And I love him for that. Absolutely. Look.

I mean, that's not the only reason I love him. But we are like family. Like he told me when my boys came along, anything ever happens I'm there for your kids. So, and he came over. And you know what, before he left, we hugged and told each other we loved each other. We hammered it out.

Yes, I mean, I had Ann Coulter on the show a couple weeks ago. Okay. And I hadn't had her on for a while, but I mean, I've been friends with her since 1994 or something. Yeah. And no one's gonna make me not be friends with her. She's a fun chick to hang out with,

and we don't talk politics if we're not on the show, because I know where she is and she knows where I am. Don't tell me who my friends can be. Yeah. Really obnoxious. Yeah. That's the kind of shit I hate. I will say one thing.

Talk to them. Maybe you'll find something you don't know. That is exactly right. And for me, I'm a research junkie. Like I need to understand. Like whatever's happening in the world, I need to go back and find out what the history of it is. Because more than likely, what we know about it is not really the reality.

But one of the things I'm learning is that people have big platforms that you do outlandish things in order to whip up your base. I mean, it's what politicians do, it's what people. And that is so ego driven. Okay, that's fine. We all know that all of us have big egos. So, and Kid Rock is not exempt from that. It's fun to whip it up and see what happens. You know what I mean?

And so, and that's kind of what he said. He's like, ah, it wasn't me, you know. It wasn't this, it wasn't that, you know. He's a showman. It's all, that's what it is. But my thing is, I wanna't that, you know. It's a showman. That's what it is, but my thing is, I wanna make sure that all the people out there that jump on the hate bandwagon,

that it becomes dangerous, like we hate Dylan, whoever, and we hate Budweiser and all that, y'all are being played. Y'all are being whipped into this, us against them. We're in this group of people that hate this and that. And that's the part I have the problem with. I don't like that. What I see on the news is a lot of college kids

saying things to people who support Israel like you're Nazi scum. I mean, who have everything so ass backwards that's when I need a joint, but I will never light one up. But can I hold one? Ah, yes you can. If I wasn't singing tomorrow, I'd say light that bad boy up right now.

No, I know. I've never not, but like for you, first of all I would do this on standing up. Hold me. I would do this standing on my head, but it is a little like running a marathon for the first time. I'm saying, I know it's gotta be hard, it's difficult.

First you're wearing a suit jacket and now you're not smoking. I feel better now. Why do I tell you much? I appreciate that. You know, I appreciate that. I feel better now. I'm almost like George Burns with the cigar. Remember George Burns?

Oh yeah, of course. He always had a fucking cigar in his hand. Yeah, take my wife. After the stage of show business I'm at, I need the prop cigar. Oh God, just shoot me down. Hit me over the head with this fucking Pemkin star. Your boy Willie Nelson signed that. Oh, I love that man.

Yes. I do. Another one. Everybody adopted you. Everybody wanted to get a little of your shine up. I've been very, listen, I'm blessed to beyond. I don't even know what to say, I'm just blessed. I know that sounds stupid.

Don Hanley. Love Don. He was in the news yesterday. What was Don in the news? Okay, I read the New York Times in the morning and then I just wanna know that the world hasn't blown up although it is blowing up. I can't even go near it now. It's so toxic.

Oh, I agree. But what's going on? He's suing... Well, he's suing somebody... About lyrics. Lyrics, yeah. But that already, they... A notebook came out that he,

it has all their notes when they were doing their stuff, him and Glenn, and... And he lost, right? Didn't I see that? I think I looked at the news last night after he landed. Probably. I mean, it's hard to... I think he didn't get it back.

Yeah. Yes. But it said the Eagles, that's their last tour I guess that they're on. That's... Really? You're right because they even had to call their most recent incarnation the Hell Freezes Overture, because he had said in 1980,

we'll get back together, we know. When Hell Freezes Over, yeah. Which is typical of their cheeky humor. They were, I love those guys, and that's one of the greatest bands and sounds of all time. And by the way, 60 Minutes, I saw your documentary opens

that you're with whoever, Steve Croft or somebody. And I did it once, Joyful Experience, isn't it, 60 Minutes? But, Doug. I didn't even know what Joyful Experience was back then. Oh, I know, I was thrilled to be on it. I was like, hey, nice to meet you, Mr. Croft. Exactly, I mean, 60 Minutes.

But they had the Eagles once, and they were putting out, remember. Kraw. No, exactly, I'm in 60 Minutes. But they had the Eagles once, and they were putting out, remember they put out an album, very good album, in 2007, they hadn't put out one in 28 years, and they put out one called Long Road to Eden. Yes, I do remember that. And it's really good, it's a double album. Yes, I do remember it. So they were promoting that, and Steve Krawf,

or whoever says to Glenn Fry, like, well, you know, in 60 minutes, and what do you attribute to the success of the, and he just named the song titles. And I thought it was the most eloquent answer, and you could do the same thing. You just have to like give your song titles. If somebody ever says, what is yours? Psychologically, how did you manipulate?

Just, you know. Well, it's funny you should ask, because really all I wanna do is have some fun. But you know what? If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad. But sometimes a change would do you good. Yeah, I mean that's really, at the end of the day to me, and that's again why I love the iPod,

because I can just have that so I can know exactly how great an artist is, one after one after another and you can do that, you know There are look in this your business if you have one hit you can work forever Somewhere I have to tell you a funny story though. I did it. But if to do a whole show of hits Yes, that's you're that kind of act and that's why they'll always come out So I wound up on a gig with Lana Richie and Billy Joel in Atlanta, and which was, I have to say, really, really fun.

I was the first one on, and in the backstage area, I come back and Lionel's like, Cheryl, come in here, and he pulls me into Billy's dressing room, he's like, the three of us, we have hits, we've gotta go on a world tour, we gotta take this thing on a world tour. Hits all night long, just nothing but hits.

And then he turns around to me, it was like borscht belt. Cheryl, you know when you play new songs? I was like, no, never, you never play them. He's like, they don't wanna hear new songs, they just wanna hear the hits. And now every time I play, I'm like, been told never to play new songs, but I'm gonna play a new song.

But, and now I have a new record, so it's like, I guess I never play new songs, but I'm not playing new songs. But, and now I have a new record, so it's like, I guess I never play new songs, but. Well, but it won't be, you know. You sneak one in here, or you know, you sneak them in. I know how they do it. Yeah, and then they go to the bathroom while you're playing it, or hopefully buy a T-shirt. Yeah, but in five years, that record will be,

there will be songs from that record that will be feathered in, and they'll probably like those, you know, too. Maybe. Maybe. I mean, it's... Sort of aged out of having, you know, hits, so... Well, who knows even what makes a hit? Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Yeah, it's hard to... I remember McCartney put out a really great album in 1989, Flowers in the Dirt. I loved that record. And I thought it was like, he did it with Elvis Costello. Yes, I remember. So it was like one of the, it could have stood as a Beatle record.

Yeah, yeah. It was that good. Yeah, yeah. That Beatle-esque sound. And of course, he was 47 at the time, so it just, you know, that generation is just gonna say, no, I'm sorry, you had your moment, I don't care how good it is, you know, dispassionately. Try being 62 and a woman, you know.

Right. So, although, I mean, it is fun. I would not, You know. Right. So, although, I mean it is fun. Well. I would not, I wouldn't stop making records. I don't know about albums. I didn't make this an album because I had so many songs. But it's weird to put music out and know that a song is gonna turn up maybe on a playlist

with like Ice Spice. I mean it's just, it's so antithetical. You know what I'm saying? turn up maybe on a playlist with like, Ice Spice. I mean, it's just, it's so antithetical, you know what I'm saying? Like you're on New Music Friday, and you're like, blocked between, if you're lucky. If you're lucky. But you go to football games with her, right?

Ice Spice? Actually, yes, I was at a ball game with her. Really? Yes. About 20 sections away. Oh. Yeah. But wasn't she at the Super Bowl with Taylor Swift?

She was, yeah. Boy, if Taylor Swift thinks that she invented the breakup song, oh, I said this to somebody recently, first of all, she's got to listen to You're So Vain, Carly Simon, that kind of like... There's not a better one than that. Well, there is not a better one but Alone in the Dark by Sheryl Crowe. Oh my God.

Was that a single? I love it. Hell no. No? Really? No. There is not a better one but Alone in the Dark by Sheryl Crowe. Oh my God. Was that a single? I love, hell no. No, really? No. Oh, that's a real shiv in the gut. Are you wearing like a earpiece? Why, you think I'm so old I can't hear?

Alone in the Dark. No, no. You're so, I can't believe you know all these like, deep cuts. Well, anybody who works here, I'll tell you, I'm a very big music fan. So I just, I know what I know. That's awesome.

Now do I know, can I name every song on every album? No, but I have stuff from every album. I have the ones that I really adore. Steve McQueen, which one is that? That was a single. That was a single, yeah, that was on the fourth record. That's in the tradition of the cool chick who's too cool to get tied down genre.

Oh yeah, that was me. Which is so sexy. Oh my God, on that video, I got on my dirt bike. I mean, God. Oh really, see I don't remember the video. Oh yeah, in fact, I was hanging out with Dale Earnhardt in that video and never getting married. Right, because Steve McQueen, well,

Anita's a fast machine, right? Yeah. But do you remember the Stone Ponies, Linda Ronstadt? Yeah, of course. Doing different drum? Yes, of course, yeah. Do you remember that song? Yeah.

That's that same, we traveled to a different country doing different drum. Yes, of course. Yeah. Do you remember that song? Yeah. That's that same. We travel to a different drum. Can't you see the way I run? Every time you make eyes at me, don't get me wrong. It's not that I knock it. It's just that I'm not in the market. What a great rhyme.

Knock it and market. For someone who wants to love just only me. I ain't saying you ain't pretty. All I'm saying is I'm not ready for any person, place, or thing that tries to put the reins in on me, bitch. Damn. So that kind of song, I think,

we should do a whole album of just those. I could probably write an album of those. Free Bird, get off my. You don't know me like that. Get up off of me songs. You know, I've had this long standing introduction to Strong Enough To Be My Man, that how I never got married.

I never got married. Got engaged three times. What, you did? Still have all my money. Never got divorced. You engaged to Lance Armstrong? I was did? Still have all my money. Never got divorced. You engaged to Lance Armstrong? I was. You know he sat right there a few months ago?

I actually caught the very beginning of that. Oh. And I saw Bobby Kidd. I've seen actually quite a few of them. Wow, what an intense guy. Is he? Lance Armstrong? Well yeah, I mean I don't.

Who would know better than you? I don't know him now in this incarnation, because he's. Wasn't he then? He was then. Of course. He was racing then, and you know. I know, but like. in this incarnation, because he's... Wasn't he then? He was then, but he was racing then. I know, but like... He was intense.

Just to pick that as a profession, riding a bike. Of course you got it. Intense. I will say, my 16 year old is on a bass fishing team, which I didn't know was actually a sport. So when I met Lance, I was like, bike riding, that's a sport?

It's not. So yeah, I didn't realize. Bass fishing is not a sport. So when I met Lance, I was like, bike riding? That's a sport? It's not. So yeah, I didn't realize. Bass fishing is not a sport. Either it's running around the block. But they may be in the Olympic. I'm gonna have to dispute that with you just as long as I know my kid might be watching this. It is a sport.

And the damn bass boat costs 70 grand, okay? It's not like buying a baseball bat, okay? Baseball bat's 350, honey. Oh my God. So, but you still drink beer. You still drink beer. I do. What drugs did you do back in the day?

Oh. That's what I'm saying, like, the rockstar life. My wilder days were drinking, smoking weed, smoking cigarettes, because I was super cool when I was drunk. Me too. And. Yeah, cigarettes, that's the one I regret.

Yeah, I don't have the addict gene, so I could just not smoke for, you know. Then I would have three glasses of red wine and be like bumming cigarettes, you know. So... Very few people don't have the addict gene for nicotine. I do not have it. I didn't ever start the habit of like smoking

when I was not drinking. So I don't know if I would have been, but I don't know. Just did a guided mushroom tour recently, or guided mushroom journey, which I don't call that, I call it a tour. It was a tour through my very effed up brain, if you know what I'm saying. What do you mean?

What were we talking about? A guided psilocybin. Oh cool. Yeah. Guided though. Yeah,ilocybin. Oh, cool. Guided though. Yeah, through Johns Hopkins. How bougie to have a guided fucking drug drug. I know, see the thing is you can do mushrooms.

I'm like, okay, yes. But what do you mean guided? So you do it. But you've done notions before, no? Yes, but not like medicinal, like full powered, not like medicinal, like full powered, a two and a half hour or three hour where they give you some and then you take more and you do it with like a playlist.

We're not talking about Hiawaska here, we're talking about mushrooms. No, no. Because mushrooms I've done many times. So. And I, you know, it's, yeah, it's a trip. Yeah. I don't, I mean.

So. What's the, what does the guide do? The guide is. On your left. Yeah. They say, if you look to the cerebellum, try not to look over to the, I think more than anything,

what they do is make sure that you're not, if you're not a person who does recreational drugs, it's more from a scientific standpoint for people who struggle with manic depression or depression or whatever it is. Right, and I think it's very helpful. It was helpful. LSD started out as that.

Until Timothy Leary got hold of it. You know, that chair over there is his chair. Seriously? Well, did you watch, or did you ever listen to the Michael Pollan stuff? Yeah, the food guy? So interesting, yes. Right.

No, no, no, yeah, but he did all this on the side then. Yeah, yes. And then, what, Fantastic Fungi, or Fungi, that documentary? Well, don't get me started on fungus. No, seriously. Really? Yeah, I mean, I'm a big believer that it's something that we don't pay

the kind of attention to. I agree. We should. I think Western medicine sees everything as bacterial, and they misdiagnose stuff, and fungus is, I think, responsible for stuff. Even the CDC a few years ago finally said, if you don't know what something is, look to fungus.

And that was like many years late. So, like I said, don't get me started on fungus, because this is not really. This is a whole different podcast. This is a whole different podcast. This is a whole different podcast. For those who want to look more... I'm so with you. I'm so with you. I'm Fungus.

Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I want to be in the Fungus Club. Fuck Fungus. When HBO did that show, they did some shows, a huge hit. What was it? It was called... How to Change Your Mind?

Last of Us, I think. Oh, yeah, I did see it. And it was about the villain in it was Fungus of Us, I think. Oh, yeah, I didn't see it. And it was about the villain in it was fungus. Oh, shut up. Matt said, finally, somebody's getting on the fungus thing. Oh, the villain, like not the same, like the saving device. Yeah, well, the villain in the sense that whatever was taking over people and turning them into zombies, everything has to be up to either a zombie or a Dracula.

Come on, this is TV. But the thing that was behind it was fungus. I was like, yes, that's much more likely than, you know, a crisis. Yeah. I mean, so many cancers are diagnosed as cancer when they're fungal. My dog? Case in point. Well, do you know when they want to, what they do when they want to give mice cancer in the lab. They saute some mushrooms and... Basically. Really?

They give them mycotoxins. Oh, wow. That's a, you know, fungus toxin. Penicillin. Yeah. Antibiotics are, sometimes, are often... Weren't they derived from the fungus that... Moldy bread.

Yeah, moldy bread. Okay, so the connection, I'm not saying I know the connection, but I've certainly read about the subject and people have their theories, and it looks like there, I think there is quite a connection between cancer and fungal infection and, you know.

But the crazy thing about it is, is that when they do studies about like forestry, how fungus or mushrooms create their own. Yes. The way they can actually go in. Absolutely. And save some trees by creating their own antibiotics.

I mean, I think there's so many amazing possibilities, not just for humans, but also for the planet. I mean, at this moment, when we're asleep at the wheel, and nobody seems to give a shit about the planet, because we're too worried about making sure, I mean, it drives me crazy how we're turning a blind eye to this, or a blind eye. But anyway, the fact that mushrooms could be a huge answer

to what's happening, To at least preserve it. Yes, or a huge problem. I mean, they can kill us. I mean, you don't want to breathe in mold. No, not molds, yeah. Well, but I mean, fungus is really strong. Almost every plant in nature is antifungal because it needs to be.

Because plants don't have legs, they can't run away. Right. And then they can repel it. But take a lemon, like the most anti-fungal thing, it's pure citrus. You leave it on the counter long enough, what does it look like? It has mold all over it.

Yeah, and it'll eat through a marble countertop. Fungus is unrelenting. I'm a hawk on fungus. Fungus is unrelenting, the name of our new podcast. Extremism and the fight against fungus is no vice, and moderation is no virtue. I'm a one issue candidate, I'm a hawk on fungus, and I'm gonna attack anyone who's to my left on this issue.

But it is true. I mean, fungus, you should, you know, people should think about fungus more, like, sinal infections. I don't wanna get started on it. But I will fungus, you should, you know, people should think about fungus more, like, synovial infections. I don't wanna get started on it. But I will say, for people who have struggled with depression, people who have, you know, mental challenges that the studies they've done

at Johns Hopkins, four years, it was shut down, they saw great outcomes for people with PTSD, you know. I think at least people are starting to get back to the place where they can look at some of these natural holistic... Oh, yeah. ...as being at least worth, you know, legalizing. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't think the amount of mushrooms that you took for psychological reasons would be the kind that

would be bad for you. And by the way, if you don't have a fungal infection, it's not... you can eat mushrooms and you know, your body has in it fungus that is natural, that you need some good bacteria, some bad bacteria and some fungus. It's when you get the proportions out of whack. Antibiotics kill the good bacteria, which fight with the fungus for food. That's how we kill bacteria.

But unfortunately, when they kill the bad bacteria, they kill the good bacteria. And then the fungus proliferate. Anybody who's had antibiotics probably has some level of a fungal infection. Oh, absolutely. And fungus live on one thing, sugar. So you always feed them when you're eating the kind of things that are in the American diet. Oh, absolutely. Right. And fungus live on one thing, sugar.

So you always feed them when you're eating the kind of things that are in the American diet, syrups and sugar and carbohydrates. That kind of stuff feeds when you're hungry like that, it's the fungus calling out for food. Yeah. I told you not to get me started on fungus. I know, I didn't know you knew so started on fungus. I told you. I know, I didn't know you knew so much about mushrooms.

Fungus. No one told me. Fungus. I'm telling you, we could own it as a subject. I know, this is going to be a three hour podcast, okay? Only about fungus. Only about fungus. And every week, but only about fungus.

It's like those stores that say like, only lamps, you know? You know what I mean? Excuse me, do you have shades? I'm sure that happens once a day. And the guy goes, what do I have to fucking put in the title? It says only lamps. What do I have to do to get it?

Not lazy boys. But, no, I mean, you could do a morning talk show if that's something you, you could be on The View. What do you think about that Cheryl? No and no. Come on. Unequivocally and what does it pay? The ratings would be through the roof, I swear to God.

First of all, you're from Missouri? Here's my thing, I don't really like people. No, I'm kidding. I'm from Missouri, yes. Okay, so like you have that accent, you know. I have an accent? Yeah, you still sound country. Well, I live in Nashville now.

Okay, but it's also in your roots. And I don't know what you're talking about. No, I'm kidding. That's good, because everything is tilted toward the coastal elites and their people. And the entire coast has moved to Nashville. That's true too. Yes, it is.

And yeah, we'll see how that plays out in politics. Most of LA lives in Nashville now. Well, Nashville and Austin seem to be the kind of places, and I get it, to a degree, Miami, but Miami's too crazy. But, like, places where people want to go where, no, I don't want to live in the sticks with a bunch of hicks, but I also don't want to live, you know,

at the park in Beverly Hills where you can't throw a frisbee. Yeah, yes. Because of that kind of asshole. Is there a place in America where I can get away from those extremes? That's- Where I can work from home. Yeah, where I can like-

And I can buy a really nice house for about a 10th of the price. And the money. And have a giant yard. Right. Yeah, no, we're getting along with it. But also, I'm sure, you know, Nashville's not a hick town. It's where all the musicians are.

It's like a little, I would say it's... There's places. It's a, I can't say it's like Austin where it's like a blue oasis. I mean, I think it's probably the bluest in all of Tennessee doesn't need to be no Well, I'm just having a place. Yeah, we can get a nice dinner. You can get a nice dinner You can see Kings of Leon or you can go exactly You know, yeah, I mean Jack White

It doesn't have a Metropolitan Museum of Art, but I never went there anyway. Who goes to those places? Eggheads, that's who. I mean, everybody in New Yorkers always like the museums. Like, how often do you go to a museum? You're fucking... You go there once a year. Well, I mean, I was never a culture vulture.

I mean, I like culture. Culture vulture, I like that. See, that's the thing though. Good song title. You find a good culture vulture. Are you always looking? Unique New York, unique New York, unique Unorc. Sorry, I have kids.

It's what we do. But like, are you always doing that? Like, you're like a Blue Jay who's always finding little scraps, you know, Blue Jays for the nest, because, you know, oh, this could go, this is a, could go in a song, this could be a title. You know. You mean like am I collecting constantly?

You should be. Like fodder, like yes. Yeah, aren't you? Oh my God. Used to when I would be making a record or getting ready to make a record, like we'd have a record out, we'd have success, we'd tour, I'd come home, I'd start writing and it would be like, okay, what am I writing about?

You know, lots of frantic, like checking what notes have I written. Now, my kids leave for school, I got to my screen and porch, notepad, guitar, cup of tea, and I write my freaking brains out. Really? There's so much to write about right now. Cup of tea, you mean a literally a cup of tea and I write my freaking brains out. Really? There's so much to write about right now. Cup of tea, you mean literally a cup of tea or?

Literally, no coffee in the morning. Okay. But I mean I'm talking about 6.30 in the morning. No I get done a lot done on coffee. 6.30, yeah. I really value that time, like, because it's only once a day. Me too.

You know. I have three cups of coffee in the morning. Yeah, right. That's it. But once a day, first thing, and then by the time you sleep. Don't talk to me until I've had my coffee. My kids know it.

They're like, don't talk to her. And they abide by that? Really? Oh yeah, yes. In fact, my 13 year old is the exact same way. We're just like. So it's you and the kids in a house outside of Nashville. Yeah, we're kinda, yeah, we're kind of, yeah, we're,

we're not in downtown Nashville, we're in Nashville. And then you have a studio, I'm guessing, in your house, of course. Over the barn. Over the barn. I have horses, yes. It's idyllic. It's, oh, come on.

Who lives like me? Me. Yeah. And do you, can you like, you have like a fireman's pole, you can get right down into the barn when you want to? Like one of these? When you. No.

No, that's a stripper pole. Yeah, no, I know. I recognize that from Kid Rocks out there, right? It was here when I bought the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's necessary for wiring. Oh, yes. No, I don't have a fireman's pole.

Actually, I don't even go down there unless I'm like gonna record and I didn't do any recording on this record. I sent it to my friend and said, these are my many screenplays, and I want you to Martin Scorsese the shit out of them. And it was the most glorious experience I've ever had. I don't understand. Okay, so I usually produce myself, and I usually am like, from the beginning to the end,

and playing, and writing, and this bunch of songs, because you know the last record I put out, I said I'm not making records anymore. No more albums. Be Myself, was that it? Nope, it was Threads. Threads, with everybody, yes. With lots of people.

Again, you pick these songs that are like... Oh man, I'll tell you what, the song though with Johnny Cash and having him in my ear, I just had this weird like... Cause he was dead. 11.30 at night, dead, but just all the conversations I'd had with him

before he recorded it, I don't know, I just, I came out of there, I was like, I'm not gonna make albums anymore. This is, it's done. Maybe just not duets with dead people. Maybe that's the issue. I actually prefer duets with dead people, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

They can't complain, it's true. That is not true. Well, that's a great, because Tony Bennett just called. No. Okay, all right, okay, get me. No, so this record, no. Okay, all right, okay, get me, get me in there. No, so this record, I, there's just, like the AI thing is what started it. Reading about the Beatles, and I don't fault them,

but I was conflicted about that. I do fault them. And then the George Carlin thing sent me, I mean it sent me, I paced, literally my kids would leave for school, sent me, I mean it sent me, I paced, literally my kids would leave for school and I'm like what the, what are we doing here? You know? Have you seen the Billy Joel,

the new Billy Joel song video? No. Okay. Am I gonna like wanna like go hang myself and then. Why? No, what are we doing now with AI? They, you know Billy Joel came out with his first song in 30 years. He debuted at the Grammys.

And that wasn't really him. That was AI? No. No. But for the video, they have him singing it as himself now, but also as him singing this new song that he only wrote now when he's 28 and 35 and 42. And so, and it's... Here's my thing about that.

It's terrible. He's alive. He's... Okay, and, and here, I mean, he is. Harrison Ford did that whole latest... I saw it, yeah. Where he, they've manipulated his face to make him look younger, right?

And the Irishman, De Niro, and the age. Yes, and of course me on social media with lots of filters, same thing, no I'm kidding. It's one thing if you're alive and you're controlling the image that you're putting out and you can actually address, yeah, we used AI. But if you're using somebody else and manipulating, I mean, it's beyond deep fakes where it's like,

I don't know. I mean, I actually called my attorney and was like, this is a weird thing. It's like negotiating real estate and space, which I know our countries are doing, where they're deciding who's owning what parts of space, which I find to be like, for me, I'm just like, I don't want anything to do,

I don't want my image coming out, I don't want my voice coming out, I don't want any of my old demos coming out, I want it in writing for posterity, and I want it locked in something where AI can't get in there and change my words. It's just for- What I think is scariest is that when you look at the history

of like when the technology comes along and does something horrible They their reaction seems to be What are you gonna do its technology we can't do anything about it. Yes, think about member Napster Napster. Okay, perfect So first the technology comes along Yeah We're gonna steal it now except for me and Don Henley who are on Capitol Hill every 10, like we're there every Tuesday, like trying to fight for stuff.

And the Senate subcommittees are all saying, well, it's already here. But you can't do anything about it now. So they gave up on that. Then Spotify streaming comes in, and they gave up on like the basic model of business. Yeah. Yes.

So why would I think now that this technology, they're not going to give up again on somehow guard railing this shit because... Well they can't do it now. And for one thing, we're frogs in a pot. Because you know that phrase, frogs in a pot? Yeah, of course. Yes.

So I was talking to my kids about it. I worked with this amazing young songwriter recently who's written on tons of shit. And she played me a demo. It was a demo that she had written with a couple of people and she sang it and she's like, I needed a guy to sing it. So I paid $5 and got John Mayer's voice and she played me the demo and it's John Mayer singing.

$5, what's the $5 for? She paid a service and it's John Mayer singing. What's the five dollars? She paid a service, it's like chat GPT, but instead you insert somebody's voice and it replicates his voice, like not only his voice but his inflections, his style. I started crying. I was just like, I know John, there's no way I would not know I was just like, I know John, there's no way I would not know this was him. And, For five dollars.

And I said, and she was talking about the chat GBT thing and how she could put stuff in, and it's not always good, but it gets your brain started and there's always a couple of good lines. And I just was like, you're 21. I know this is, this is what you're growing up in. I know this is normal for you. But what is not normal about it,

which you will never know, is that the thing that creates art is like, it's the human experience. It's not a computer's experience. And that's why I think we will survive to a degree because the audience, at some level, they don't know how to read anymore. They don't, it's a joke to think they would get

through a whole book, they actually make jokes about that book. Or a whole song. We don't get paid unless they listen to it for more than 30 seconds. Yeah, but people do still listen to whole songs. Bill Marcos. No, even the kids listen to songs.

I mean, I don't think their attention span is so short that they can't get to a song if they like it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. They'll listen to a Zach Bryan song all the way through. Who? Yeah, I don't know who that is. Zach Bryan?

Zach Bryan? No. What do you live in the, yeah. No, I don't. I just don't, I haven't caught up to him. I know, I mean, I can't explain it to you. Why is he so grand? He was in the military, young kid,

started posting songs on TikTok and became massive. And we went out and opened up for him and it was like The Beatles. I've never seen anything like it. I've never, not since The Beatles have I ever seen anything like it, seriously. Well, we didn't see The Beatles. We were too young, even us.

Yeah, but I mean, like, the footage. 30,000, 40,000 kids with no hits, singing every word, hanging on his every. I have to start from TikTok. Well, we'll see in 10 years if he's like The Beatles. Yeah. Because. From your mouth to God's ears.

Well, I mean, everybody, look, music is music is like you were just saying it's so primal I know so like he's not the first one to come out and look like the Beatles for ten minutes, you know They are who they are because yeah, they they grew they were always one step ahead of the audience Can this maybe he can maybe he's a genius. What do you think of the music? I'm sorry, I mean you described the crowd reaction, but what about the music itself? Yeah, well, I mean it's a taste thing. It's a taste thing.

Well, there's a dodge. Yeah, right, okay, so you don't think he's some musical genius? No, no, no, it's not that. I mean, actually, I mean, truth be told, there's a whole lane of music now that sort of falls into the Americana, but actually it's sort of like old school country,

like Tyler Childress, Zach Bryan, and they're writing songs about hard living people with real struggles. Yeah, the guy. And it's three chords, four chords, and it's good, it's good, it really is good. Yeah, it can... And it's three chords, four chords, and it's good. It's good. It really is good. Yeah, it can be.

Yeah. I mean, for whatever reason, it's resonating with 16-year-olds and 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds. And I'm down with it. I'm here for it. They're writing stories. It's not six-second... six-second attention span. We're gonna, you know, we gotta keep the listener in it. It's not six second attention span.

We gotta keep the listener in it. It's like old school verse, chorus, it only changes a tiny bit. It's like Americana. Yeah, I mean, look. Yeah. No, I'm just saying, I don't put any labels on things. A good song is a good song. I mean, I remember you did some album, I have it, any labels on things. A good song is a good song. I mean, like, I remember you did some album.

I have it, I have them all. And it's like, they said it was your country album. And it was like, yeah, I see what they were saying because they always wanna glom on and get some sort of story. So they could make a story. But it was just a good album. It was just a Sheryl Crow album.

Yeah, there were some songs. They were geared more towards that. Well, there was the, oh, I love it, the one about the mascara running. Yes. Which is like so. That's why we're waterproof mascara. But what's the next line?

Because it don't run like. Because it won't run like. Like his daddy did. Like his daddy. Which is like so close to parody. Yeah. Like that's so close to parody. Yeah. Like that's so close. You know who I read that with?

Brad Paisley. He was sitting here. He was? Yes, loved him. He's quite a great guy. He's one of my favorite people. He is funny. Yes, funny.

But also he's not what you think. He doesn't live in that conservative. No, but he's also a guy who's from that part of the country. You know, believe me, there are things that the woke could find to hate about him. I love that word woke. I don't. Okay, here's my thing. That is a funny thing that came out of my conversation with Kid Rock.

I had to call him Bobby. About being woke, because he said you're so woke, and I was like, first of all, you can quit calling me names, and secondly, maybe I'm woke? I mean, that was an old term that was derived from slavery. Well, after that, I think, but it meant being alert to injustice.

Alert to injustice, yes. I'm all down with that. It just morphed into something that was an eye roll. I didn't do that, they did that. Yes, I know, and I told them, I was like, I'm so down with being woke if it means like wanting this country to run for all of us. Here's a story that was in the news this week. Somebody wrote in the Atlantic.

He used to work at the New York Times, talked about New York Times. I love the Atlantic. I don't know how you feel about it, but that's one of my go-tos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to find, it's hard to find fair pieces written anymore.

Exactly, you only get one side of every story. Yeah, anyway, go ahead. So he's at the orientation, like for the new people at the New York Times, I think it was. Okay. And for some reason they ask, they're asking going around the room or something,

and what do you want for lunch? And he says, chick-fil-a. And they go, like head of the thing said, no, we don't do that here, they hate gay people. And then all the people in the room start snapping their fingers like they're beatniks in 1950. Like you know, yeah, man. It's like West Side Story.

It's like, it's like stupid side story. Like fuck you, we can't eat Chick-fil-A. You know what, I will eat Chick-fil-A and Bud Light, I'll put them together in a beer can chicken. You can't get me started on this. That kind of attitude is just so obnoxious. I know, and honestly, if you get me started, my publicist will run in here in a minute and like, she's gotta go.

I mean, it drives me. It drives me. Why, I said it. It drives me. Yeah, I know, it drives us all crazy. By the way, the people, the good people in this country are with us. It was in the paper today, like the number one concern,

most people have is extremism. They fucking hate it. They fucking hate. Well, and this is what worries me between you and I. Is that a pot leaf on that guitar? At the, on the headstock? This is made of hemp. It is?

Yeah, this was a gift. You can totally tell I'm ADD, right? Because it's like squirrel, pot leaf. What do you... No, I was just saying something really astute. It's like... Oh, that's amazing. It's an amazing thing. Can you really play it? No. That sounds really bad.

Well, it's not tuned. It's made out of hemp. Can you smoke it? The guitar? It would be an odd way to regift it, but you know, yeah, I guess I... No, you can't smoke hemp. Hemp doesn't get too high. No, you can't smoke it. You can wear it, though. What I was going to say is my kids come home with the most unbelievable questions, right? So I grew up in a really small town, three stoplights, corn fields,

but we were close to the Bliveville Air Force Base. The what? Bliveville, Arkansas Air Force Base, which was the biggest Air Force Base in America. And this is at the end of, this is like 72, I was 10 years old. I think I'm older than you. How old are you?

No, I'm 68. Okay, I'm 62. So, but I'm a super young, like 36 year old 62. Yes you are. But, but. Sure that. I remember, I don't know if I came home from school and some kid had said, yeah, the first place they'll bomb

in America will be blival and we'll all be incinerated. Well, that's the only time in my childhood I remember ever being afraid of my parents saying, ridiculous, right? Which probably wasn't, but my kids now come home with crazy questions. Well, they go to a Christian school and they come home with bizarre questions that-

They do? Yes, they come home with questions that, you know, their friends are coming into school with, from hearing their parents. You know, and this religious support that Trump has is very perplexing that people in the Christian world believe that he's chosen. Literally chosen by God.

Yes. And... Who better? Meanwhile, I'm... Because we have many... gay people in our lives and in our family that we love. Um, and they come home and they just, you know, they're... funny... things that are supposed to be funny jokes, like... about gender, because you know, these are the things that Trump's fighting against.

It's confounding, and it's also, as a parent, it's very, all I can say is when my kid was in eighth grade, we toured Arlington Cemetery, his eighth grade class. And I walked there and I was just thinking, man, these people that fought for what the country is supposed to stand for, for all people, are rolling right now. I mean, I'm scratching my head going,

we can all live here. I mean, first of all, we can all live here. First of all, I don't think Trump is specifically fighting gender stuff. I think he has no compass at all. I agree. If people he needs say something anti-gender that's inappropriate, he probably won't slap them down for it, but I don't think, he's a, like, he probably won't slap them down for it, but I don't think, you know, he's a libertarian,

a libertarian, a libertine from New York. That's not his thing. I mean, you know, he just got out of a rape trial, for God's sake, he grabs pussies, you know, of the Melania thing, whatever the fuck that is. And so, I just don't think that's where people are, I'm not most worried about him there. He just came out with his abortion proposal,

which is 16 weeks, which is about what they have in Europe. Sometimes it's even less than that. Oh, the Republicans, they know they're in real trouble because they finally caught the car, the dog caught the car, they got rid of abortion rights, and Americans fucking hate it. Men hate it, women hate it, everybody fucking hates kids, I understand,

and they don't want kids they don't wanna have, and they really, this is the Democrats' best issue by far. Their worst, Biden's age, that's their worst issue. Their best is this. People want someone to fight for. Now they're going after the embryos. Did you see that in Alabama? Oh yeah, I've seen that.

I mean, embryos. Like, just like the goo in the Petri dish is an eight-year-old. We should give, if embryos are alive, we should give them the right to vote. Well we don't give eight-year-olds the right to vote, but we give them a lot of vote. Well, we don't give eight year olds the right to vote, but we give them a lot of rights that they shouldn't have. Yes, yes we do. Were you a runaway bride all these three times that you didn't get married, that you were engaged?

My first engagement, I was 21. I was engaged to a born-again Christian who partied like it was the end of the world, and then repented the next day. And he broke it off, which was really good. And then my second one, I was engaged to a lovely person I'm still good friends with, but we actually, by the time we were getting married, we were so platonic that it seemed like,

blech, and then there was it. That's why I never did it. Yeah, I mean, most people I know that are married are not that happy, so I'm like. But I'm also 62, I mean, I wanna just be what people are like. Exactly. And you know, I wanna laugh.

Sex would be great, but you know, only if it's somebody that makes me laugh. Right, I mean it's trickier for women. You know, you gotta have, you know. Yeah, I don't wanna get pregnant. Well. Especially in a state where I can't get an abortion. I get, but's trickier for women. You gotta have your, you know, men. Yeah, I don't wanna get pregnant. Well. Especially in a state where I can't get an abortion. But also emotionally, psychologically,

men can, you know, I think, have sex without, you know, something being all that serious easier. Yeah. And especially as you get older. I can have sex and not care about the person. Yeah, I guess you can. I'm kidding. I forgot what I was talking about.

I'm saying I'm kidding. I'm talking a rock and roll. I'm a rock star, okay? What do you think is the most rock and roll thing you ever did? Like, because... I wouldn't tell you. Really? No. Yeah, no, probably not. I mean, I've made out with a few people. Well, that's not even that.

I'm talking about... Here's the thing, Bill. When I think of rock... Let me just put it to you like this, Bill. There is a book that I've read, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've read it, and I've made out with a few people. Well that's not even that, I'm talking about, when I think of Rock,

Let me just put it to you like this Bill. There is a book in here, but some people are gonna have to die first. So, So, So, So, So,

And it might be me, so I might write the book and then, Let me put to you, Like Rock Hudson, you know, just put it out. Together with my publisher. Yeah. He'll take care of the deaths. I think my publisher's all over it. She's like,

dee-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee-lee. You know, take this down. Here, I think you're past the point where anyone will ever get mad at you, unless you're. I have to do it quick though, before I start forgetting all of it. It does start to get. Your mind moves the furniture.

I've known this because, well yeah, because I've known this in a way that's undeniable by reading over notebooks or some diary of something I had and in my mind, I had one example, I had a memory of this incident which I would have sworn, I would have sold the house on it that it took place in Washington, D.C. and it took place in London.

I wish that that was the incident when I read over it. And somewhere along the way over the years, my mind moved that from London. Do you take notes? Well at the time, this happened 30 years ago. And it was at the time I was, I I did keep like a journal, like every few months I would write down like what happened in the last three months.

I don't know why I was doing that. I wish I would have done that. Yeah, no, I was a pretty good caveman. I've saved a lot of, I mean look, see that Diana Ross and the Supremes? That's from an album, like when they put posters in albums. Like I saved that, like that Elvis, see that Elvis one? That was a poster in an album.

And I just have them framed and they're like, that means so much more than my Mad Magazine. Yes, oh, Mad Magazine. You know, yes, yes. That was so off limits when I was a kid. You know. Yes, yes. That means. That was so off limits when I was a kid.

That and what was the, what was the precursor Vanity Fair? What was the? Lampoon. No. I feel like Graydon Carter was part. No, Spy. Spy magazine.

Spy, yeah. Spy. Yeah. Yeah, Spy was not like, Mad was like broad. Mad was broad. Lampoon was the best. That Lampoon was truly a brilliant satirical magazine. And then Spy was arch.

It wasn't that laugh out loud funny. It was very. Much more sardonic and much more sort of, not literate, but more intellectual. It was for mostly Upper East Side New Yorkers. It was pretty rarefied there, but they did some great stuff. And then Vanity Fair. People ask me, what's a regret or whatever?

There's one thing I wish I would have done was to write one sentence at least every day. Because journaling to me meant writing like with a project or a song. It just felt like work to me, so I never journaled. I mean, on the odd occasion I would journal, but I would journal in the context of, I got a record coming out, you know,

or a record coming up, I need to start thinking about what I'm writing about. But I went, because I can't remember, and my tour manager or my manager will bring up stuff and I'll go, shit, I didn't even remember that, you know? Just crazy, weird, little things along the way. Makes me mad. No, I'm always fascinated by what the mind remembers

because it seems to be just absolutely no rhyme or reason to what, like, you'll have whole swaths of time because it seems to be just absolutely no rhyme or reason like you'll have whole swaths of time will have disappeared but one little thing that happened one night and it wasn't even significant, you'll remember. Yeah, my mom has dementia right now and that is the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I mean I've known people, but not somebody as close to me as my mom is.

Because they don't know you? Yeah, this is, I mean, it's just weird between Thanksgiving and Christmas. But what happens is, is she is stuck in a moment where she talks a ton, but it is, it relates to a specific time that none of us really understand. She talks about the people in the group, and the group is gonna be,

we think it has something to do maybe with her relationship to who she was in our church, but it's weird, but it always comes out in that context. And her language, her vocabulary is really limited to that specific story. Now, I'm sure it's not that way with all people who have dementia, but the brain, it's terrifying.

Well, you know, Glen Campbell. Yes. Before. Did you know Glen? No. Oh no. No, I mean, no I did not. I mean.

You started laughing, I'm like, oh my God. Well, because like I'm. Were you guys like to, no. No, no, I mean, our paths were very far from crossing. He was on TV when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah. He had a like- He had a TV show.

Yeah, back in the day when they gave singers like variety hours and you had to do sketches. No, I'm born in the wrong period. Like a Wichita lineman. And here comes a von Decarlo. Yes, yeah, stuff like that. Welcome, Nipsey Russell. So he was already, you know, Rhinestone Cowboy.

Yeah. I loved those. That was when I was first listening to the radio. Galveston, Wichita Lineman, Gentle on My Mind. Oh, Gentle on My Mind. Wichita Lineman, that was just one of the greatest of all time. Gentle on My Mind, lyrically, what a song. I mean, that one is a killer, right?

Poetry, that was Jim Webb. Jim Webb, yeah, he also did a lot of great stuff. I got to meet him. What? It was the same thing. Amazing. Oh, I thought you were gonna say another guy who tried to. Just, you know, tried to pick me up.

No, not at all. Why, okay, you can't blame them for that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, just amazing. Like I literally was like a student, like oh my God, I love you so much. Wow, yeah. But anyway, Gwen Campbell would be like, he doesn't know where he is and who he's talking to,

and then you get out on stage and the song, still in there. Like Orion still. Still in there. I know, I know, yeah. And there's something, obviously music again, the primal thing, when you hear the song, it triggers something in the brain that he was able to, I mean that's really amazing that somebody in that case

could do a concert. Yes, and what's weird about it too is to have it be so rote and then to walk off and not know. My mom is an amazing singer and we grew up singing always. And last time I was home I got out the great book, which is a Reader's Digest great book, and played everything from Alfie to. Alfie.

And my mom, my mom doesn't really stand so much. Why Alfie? So she's sitting next to the piano, And my mom doesn't really stand so much. So she's sitting next to the piano, sitting next to me on the piano bench and she's singing just like she always did. And then she grabs the piano and she stands up and starts really singing. And I'm just like, oh, there she is. That's my mom.

That's my mom. There she is. She's singing. Okay, but why Alfie? No, every song from that, like Burt Bacharach. Right, it's such a great song. Roger Hammerstein, all the stuff that. Oh, Burt Bacharach. I mean, please.

When people. Walk on by, I mean, she was singing, like everything I played, she knew all the words. She even sang, moon river. You know, just. Oh, that's. Just like her old self. It's weird, music just like. Who wrote moon river. You know, just like our old self. It's weird, music just like.

Who wrote moon river? Mancini. Mancini, Henry Mancini, Andy Williams, I think. That's even before my time. Yes he did. But when people say, you know, three chord rock and roll, I always think, yeah, I guess there's some songs that are good with three chords, I'm not gonna,

but give me Bird Back Rack, who always has. Any Day of the Week. Any Day Now, you mean? Any Day of the Week. Oh, but the song Any Day Now? Oh, Any Day Now, no. Yes, you just sang it. Yeah, that's Bird Back Rack.

Yes. Any Day Now? Yes, covered by Elvis, covered by Luther Vandross. Any Day Now. Yes. Okay, as soon as I walk out of here, by Elvis, covered by Luther Vandross, any day now. Yes! Okay, as soon as I walk out of here, I'm gonna go like, Shazam, or Spotify, play me, any day now. That's Burt Bachrach, when it was early, I know.

Great song. Unbelievable. But always very unpredictable. And again, I'm not a musician or anything like that, but I've seen the charts and it's not three chords. Or any chords you ever heard of. I did a gig where I got to sing, I got to sing,

one less bell to answer. Hold me. One less egg to fry. We should take it on the road. One less man to fry. We should take it on the road. One last man to look up after. I should be happy, but all I do is cry. That's the fifth dimension. Yeah, yes it was. Yes it was.

They were so great. So I got to sing that and he was playing the piano. Bert was. And he stopped and he's like, you don't want to back phrase. Let's just sing the melody as it is. And I was just like, yes sir. I mean he was very, not rude. This is the way the arc of the melody is, it was written that way and this is how it

works. And I got to sing with him after that, but I was like, he's Burt Bachrach. Yeah, and he deserves that. Yes. And. Yeah, I literally was like, I will not backphrase. I will sing that melody. I don't even know what that is, but.

Yeah, you can't go, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, bell, two, and seven. Well, I think he made a good call. One, two, five. I think he made a good call, I gotta say.

I don't know, I was just trying to like lady gaga. I could see a whole video of that version if I could. That is really, but. Crazy shit, man. Who, what are some of the songs that, That is really... But... Burk Backrag. What are some of the songs that, like, I know musicians all like, and of course you are a great coverer of songs. What are some of the other ones you cover?

Oh, Solitaire? Why do I have that? That's a great song. Yeah, The Carpenters. Oh, must have been on the... It was on the Carpenter's Tribute. Who wrote that song? I don't know.

I wanna say Paul Williams, you remember that guy? He wrote a lot of them. Yeah. He wrote a couple of... I think he did write it. Maybe. Maybe, he wrote a couple of those. He was very...

When I was... And I'll tell you another cover we did was that Eric Carman song. Oh, I think I know what you mean. Eric Carman. Yeah, I know. It's not... Yeah, okay. It's in there. It's in there.

This is what scares me. No, no. Disc full. Disc full. Yes, I know. There's no shame in not remembering Eric Carman. Excuse me, Mr. Carman. It was a great record. We loved it. There's no shame in not remembering Eric Carmen. Excuse me, Mr. Carmen, it was a great record, we loved it, that's why we remember it so fondly.

But we can't, yeah, I can blame marijuana. What's your excuse? No, I need to light it up so maybe I'll remember something. No, but what were you gonna say about it? Oh, you covered that. Covered it, and it was such a good song. What else did you cover? Oh, you covered that. Covered it, and it was such a good song. What else did you cover? Oh, you covered I Want You Back.

Why do I have that? Was that on a soundtrack or something? No, that was on 100 Miles to Memphis. Oh, 100, right. Oh, really? Right, okay. Twice. 100 Miles to Memphis.

When I had you to love, when I want you around. I can remember being a kid and... Did you do that as a tribute? I just... No, I just, I did it when we were getting ready to cut something. And the band was like, oh my gosh, you've got to put that on the record. I was like...

Oh. And then I did it. This guy, Kid Rock, I'm back to Kid Rock. Yeah. His version of Sugar Pie Honey Buns? Do you know it? Oh really? No. You don't?

On what? I don't know. His 21st Century albums. Like, when he first came out, I was not into it. I mean, I was never into the brash personality full on, although I love him. He was here also. Looks like everybody who knows.

Yeah, I know. My entire, like, Rolodex was here. And he's a real... Like, we both... Okay, he is who he is. But just separate that from the music. If we can do it with Wagner, we can do it with Kid Rock. Yeah.

Wagner, Kid Rock. Yeah, it's just very similar. And I'm sure Kid Rock would take that as a compliment. He'd be like... But just the music. Like, there's no, I love his records. There's no music that like takes me back to being 16. That is his genius.

Like he has so many songs where, you know, your girlfriend's on your shoulders and you know, you're listening to ACDC or whatever the references are and the first kiss, you know, that's like, he has so many songs that if you want to get back into that's like, he has so many songs that if you wanna get back into that feeling good, like that kind of good, he is my boy.

He does do that. When I worked with him on that song Picture, I came home at Christmas time and I was telling my parents, been working with this guy named Bobby Richie, kid rock, he's such a nice person, got a great family, a lot like ours, he's very close to his family. And Rock, he's such a nice person, got a great family, a lot like ours, he's very close to his family. And I said, he's really huge,

he had this song called Cowboy, and they're like, oh, well play us some of his stuff, we'd love to hear some of it. No you wouldn't. So, they bought the CD, and the very last song, we get almost to the last song and I was like, that's good, that's all you need to hear. Because the last song is called Black Pussy,

I believe is what it was called. Am I not? Yes. And so I did a couple of gigs with them, one of which was in St. Louis and my whole family came. And they watched me play and then they came backstage and I was like, okay, well, y'all can go now. No, we wanna stay for some Kid Rock.

And I'm thinking, hey, Dancing Girls, the whole, they enjoyed about four or five songs. I've heard that his concerts are like Trump rallies, I mean, with the flags and everything. Look, again, not for me. Don't get it. Can't ever convince you, Kid Rock, to come to my side. I know that would be futile and stupid.

So let's just not talk about what we don't agree with. And just get along. Exactly, that's what I'm always making that comparison. In your family, you would never ask someone to just not be. To take down their Confederate flag. Not be who they are. Yeah, no, it's true. And the three most important words in any relationship

are not I love you, they're let it go. I agree with that. Well maybe I oversold that, but let it go is very important. Let it go or maybe four words, shut the fuck up. No, I'm kidding. Well, if you're at the place where you have to tell someone to shut the fuck up, you know, that's one good thing I feel about getting older

that I learned along the way. It's like, you don't waste time, you know, where you can tell where it's, you know. Where it's going. Yeah, and what could possibly work and what couldn't. And there's no use throwing good love after bad. There's another title for you. I love it.

I'm telling you. You're good. You're really good. Oh, I know you're a blue jay. You're gathering for your nest culture vulture. You can have them all. It would be an honor. It would be an honor.

And I guess I should let you go. Oh my God, so much fun. I guess I should let you go but God We need to hang out when the cameras are not okay because we have many things to talk about and yet it would be no different with it Actually, no, it would not that's what I'm trying to do with the show So you more at bomb but I'll do it for me any time maybe a little weed I'm not singing I'll do it with you anytime. For me, maybe a little weed. If I'm not singing, you know, that's the thing.

That's it. You know. Club, random. All right. So anyway, that was fun. Thanks for having me. Oh, pleasure. You're a minch.

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