Club Random with Bill Maher - Terrence Howard | Club Random

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

On this episode, Bill hangs out with actor Terrence Howard for a free-wheeling chat that bounces between Hollywood and big ideas. Terrence speaks about clashing with studios over money, why Empire was... both a blessing and a headache, and how an early brush with Richard Dreyfus taught him to fight for every scene. He and Bill riff on environmental junk in our food and air, and Terrence’s belief that music tuned to 432 Hz could reshape everything from space travel to human longevity. Along the way they trade Hendrix trivia, swap stories about celebrity parties and canceled careers, and agree that nailing a close-up still feels like magic. Get 3 months of premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month at https://www.mintmobile.com/random Go to ⁠https://www.skechers.com/clubrandom⁠ or use code Random for 20% off your first pair of Skechers Hands Free Slip-ins Go to https://www.ffrf.us/freedom or text "CLUB" to 511511 and become a member today Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠ Watch Club Random on YouTube: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:41 I'm just about what I'm never dropped names. De Niro told me that yeah The same thing was happening with Kennedy and I could be wrong I something I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna call the flag I'm listen say you are Bro, how are you such a pleasure man my pleasure. Thank you for being here. Yeah, dude. Wow, you hold up well. You look like you suffered. I don't know how you did that. I'm like... Weed. Yeah, well. Weed, never got married. I did that four times. I would hold a clean liquor. Ooh, see, now I owe mine to just sheer defiance. They've wanted me to grow old and die so many times.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Who's they? The whole system. I've been a troublemaker forever. Try not to be. But I disrupt shit. But that's why we like you. I mean, that's why they like me. You know, you can't, you know, watch the song.
Starting point is 00:02:51 If you ain't got no haters, you ain't poppin'. You ain't poppin'. I ain't watched you. I mean, that's been my whole month. Dude, I watched you with a friend of mine, with X. Oh, he was just here. I know. Alvin?
Starting point is 00:03:07 Yeah, he was just here. I was, he was the hardest person that I've ever had to kill out of all the people that I've killed and doing this stuff. Sure. The nature of him, he's such a sweet, home-giving kind of person. And then they made me kill him on the show.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Well. I was just like, I don't want to do that. Well, I mean, you're an actor. You've got to do what the script says. I know. I'm an emotional whore. But no, I love him. And I told him, like, when I was fired off of ABC,
Starting point is 00:03:45 I needed a, I was on that show for nine years. How did they fire you on a show called Politically Incorrect when you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do? People have been asking that question for 20 years. There is no good answer. But the great tribute to him was that I needed to go off the air with something nine years in. I used his couplet because at the time,
Starting point is 00:04:08 he had a big record with Eminem. The final line, like ashes to ashes, dust to dust, I might leave in a body bag but never in cups. That's the way I felt about leaving ABC. It's so funny, my friend said to me, rappers, they're all so tough until you hear their real name. Yeah, until you see them at a puffy party.
Starting point is 00:04:36 They're not tough no more. I'm surprised that the rap game is still alive because the masculinity that the rappers are supposed to portray. Oh. No. I'm not roofing myself. It's just, it's a way to have, jing, I drink it. It's a way to have diet soda without any chemicals.
Starting point is 00:05:00 RFK recommends it. What happened to him, man? Who? RFK? Oh, RFK. No, What happened to him, man? Who? RFK? No, what happened to him? He was such, so against MMR vaccine, so against it. And then he gets into the office, and I've seen him, I've met him. Did they pull something out on him to make him change his stance? Well, as Mario Cuomo used to say, you run for office in poetry, you govern in prose.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Once you get in, once you are the sheriff, things are a little different. So now he's in office. First of all, just to get confirmed, he probably had to say a few things that he's not completely on the page with. But he sat here, and we talked for a long time, and he said to me at one point, I said something about anti-vaxxer, and he said, that's what you think I am? And I said, yeah, I do. And that's coming from someone who's been called an anti-vaxxer a lot.
Starting point is 00:06:04 And it's all how you define this. I don who's been called an anti-vaxxer a lot. And it's all how you define this. I don't think I'm an anti-vaxxer. I think vaccines are a great tool that we have. I just don't want everyone you come up with. I want to be able to make that decision for myself based on my personal health profile. He is a little more out there, I think, on lots of stuff. I mean, there's lots of stuff where I just can't go with him. But in general, do I think what he is saying as far as environmental toxins? That was the advice I gave him when he sat here, because
Starting point is 00:06:40 he had been known as an environmental lawyer his whole life. I said, you've got to connect these two things. You're known as a great lawyer his whole life. I said, you've got to connect these two things. You're known as a great environmentalist. You're just saying that the pollution, it's in our bodies from other things. It's not just what's in the air. It could be vaccines and not every vaccine, but who knows in combination with all the other things
Starting point is 00:07:01 that are in our body, mercury and fungus and X-rays, how many X-rays have you had, and electromagnetic energy, 50,000 chemicals we didn't have 50 years ago. We don't know what all these factors are, but when he says this is probably what's behind most of our health problems, that resonates with me. That's what's different about when I was a kid
Starting point is 00:07:25 and the food was just, maybe it wasn't great, Wonder Bread, but most of it was just, it wasn't processed. It was not as polluted as it all is now. But it has to be polluted now. What do you mean? Good to see you. Good to see you, brother.
Starting point is 00:07:42 What do you mean? Well, because- Oh, because the money? The entire process that they're working on is not to build humanity up, I don't see it. It's more so to tear us down. Because think about it, brother. Who are we talking about?
Starting point is 00:07:57 We're talking about, I'm still talking about the government as a whole. Either Democrat or Republican? Either Democrat or Republican. Because if you go back to, like for me, when the vaccines first was coming out, and I was talking about not the COVID vaccine, just me dealing with my children about,
Starting point is 00:08:16 am I going to vaccines to give them in school? And I was like, no, I don't want to give them the MMR and all of that because when we were kids. They don't need it. No. because when we were kids, back in 1969 when I was born and they gave me the shot, it was delivered with duck embryo DNA. Then in 1970 when they got the abortion clinics, they started using human DNA. Now the duck embryo DNA would not bond. It would deliver the vaccine.
Starting point is 00:08:48 It would deliver the little protein that was necessary, but it didn't have any match to your DNA, so it would be taken out of the body. But the little, because they're using human DNA cells from the abortion clinics, those now bond into our cells and try to bond with it. That's why we have all the psoriasis now. Did you see that much psoriasis back in the 80s? Back when you were a child, when I was a child, I didn't see it.
Starting point is 00:09:16 Well, I mean, look, I cannot endorse or refute what you just said because I don't know anything about that. I've never, I do know the course when they make a vaccine, they do have to put something or refute what you just said, because I don't know anything about that. I do know the course when they make a vaccine, they do have to put something that will be the delivery system. It used to be for sure poisonous mercury, the misceral.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Right, okay, so we know that the delivery system can be suspect. I never heard this, I know they grow usually in eggs, right? So the fact that you're saying ducks. They used to grow it in duck embryo, but now once they started getting all of the fetuses from the abortion clinics, they started using the DNA from them as a delivery system. And that's our bodies don't like having some foreign thing in some. Well, that... Look, again, I can only speak on this.
Starting point is 00:10:09 You seem to have read more in depth... I had to. I had the kids. Right. That I have. I just speak in general terms, and in general terms, I agree with that. I feel like we are just marching toward this place where we accept more and more of this kind of environmental pollution, even indoor pollution is a thing. People die of indoor pollution. It can be the formaldehyde in the fucking sofa.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Yeah, all the plastic, everything is made from the... It's so much plastic in our... Refined oil, that's what did it. They've been trying to figure out, okay, we have all this waste from the refineries. What do we do with it? Well, in the early 1910s, 1920s, they called all of the chemists together and it was like, hey, how can we use this? And they end up making all of these things and they turned a lot of our pills and medicine into carbon
Starting point is 00:11:05 or methylene-based or oil-based from all the refineries. It's everything. Yeah. It's also a known fact that when they come up with a drug and it doesn't work on one thing or sometimes because it works too well, in other words, it kills you, they don't throw it away exactly, because that's bad money after good, okay? What they do is they repurpose it. They do that many times.
Starting point is 00:11:35 You know, it didn't work on cancer, but we got a whole stockroom of it. No, I'm sure it's not quite like that, but it is suspicious to me. Well, what made the cancer go away was the ivermectin, the antiparasitics, all of those things that they were saying out that you give to dogs, things of that nature, because cancer, I don't believe, and from looking at a cancer, isn't just some deformity that happens to a given cell.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Cells have a fight against it, because what's funny, what I've noticed with the cancer cells, when my mother first died from colon cancer and I went, we started working with the cancer, the stand-up to cancer, and I went to a lot of the labs and I was talking with him. And one of the things that I saw with the cancer cells, it behaves exactly like an embryo. It wraps itself in dopamine, and therefore, the dopamine is the fuel of the body, the gold of the body. So the body starts sending blood vessels to get to this dopamine. That's the same thing that an embryo does.
Starting point is 00:12:39 It wraps itself in dopamine, and so the mother's body sends all these blood vessels to feed it, and then it starts controlling the rest, and it keeps telling all the other, at the end of every chromosome, there's these telomeres. Telomeres. Yes. Yes, I take something to repair them. Nitric oxide?
Starting point is 00:12:59 I don't know, they've got some, you know, it could be nothing, I could be just wasting my time. But- Now let's work and look at you. Well, maybe that's what it is, the telomeres. But the telomeres, right, I mean, as I understand it, as a silly layman, is just, yes, the sort of like the frayed end of the cell. And, you know, of course, we keep replicating our cells.
Starting point is 00:13:21 So if you could repair that end, the next time it replicated itself, it wouldn't come out like worse because that's what aging is. We are all slightly worse. But we should add, before we go on, I guess how to say, ivermectin does not cure cancer. No. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:37 But it has, but the A for ivermectin, when it was first started with the A, that A meant anti and then, and mectin was worms. It kills worms. Yeah, I mean. And so the parasites associated with it, it's, it's a retroactive drug that's being used a lot. The fact that it was demonized by the left is one of the things that I would say I could
Starting point is 00:14:01 come up with a larger list of things that, you know, when people are like, you know, why aren't you just all on our team? It's like because your team does some shitty stuff too, not nearly as much as the right. But you do some shitty stuff too. And pretending that Ivermectin was somehow evil, it wasn't evil. It won the Nobel Prize in 2015. It's, they say it's cured probably more people except penicillin.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Okay, like, was it crazy to think it could work on COVID? And look, the truth is probably in the middle somewhere, which is that for some people, yes, it probably has properties that mix, because again, we're all individuals. This one size fits all medical treatment bugs me. So like, could it work for, yeah. I've certainly heard from people anecdotally who-
Starting point is 00:14:55 They call it, in Africa, they call it Sunday morning medicine because everybody on Sunday would pop it again, would pop it again, but it has such a terrible effect on the liver, it still tears down the liver. Most medicines do. So does aspirin. Oil of oregano.
Starting point is 00:15:16 What do you do when you get a cold? Boy, does that hurt your liver? No. No, right. Oil of oregano is anti-candid, anti-itch. No, when I'm feeling a cold, now this is not how I was when I was young, Oil of oregano is anti-candid, anti-it's. When I'm feeling a cold, now this is not how I was when I was young and didn't know, but at a certain point I got hip to some of the more natural cures.
Starting point is 00:15:36 And yeah, when I start to get a cold, I don't take Tamiflu and that pharmaceutical shit, oil of oregano. Neosmed, do you put it in Neal's Med? That thing there. Chlorophyll. Oh, you do that. Raw garlic. Raw garlic on there.
Starting point is 00:15:49 You know, I'm not talking about a garlic pill, I'm talking about you take the garlic. And chew it. Well, I can't do that, but I can ground it up and throw it down my throat like a pill. Put some cranberry juice right next to it. No, I'm telling you, the garlic that's burning, the bitterness of that cranberry cuts it,
Starting point is 00:16:07 cuts it right away and you'll still feel bitter. We'll be back with cooking with Terrence and Bill. I'm just trying to say, I want to be like you. I want to be on a cooking show with you. No, I'm about, my wife does all the cooking. I don't cook no more. I used to cook. Really? But she, it's like when Jimi Hendrix, when the Beatles, when Eric Clapton supposedly saw
Starting point is 00:16:29 Jimi Hendrix playing and he took his guitar and he put it on the stage and left it there. When I saw my wife cook, I stopped cooking. Really? And I haven't cooked in 12 years because, I mean, she's, you know what I mean, she's perfect. She's not my wife, I mean, my ex-wife, but she's my one. We got divorced two years into marriage because they were coming after her money. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Because she- But you're together but not formally married. No, we're soul connected. Really? Yeah. And you were married. We were married and so we got- But then you had such a bad fight it wound up in a divorce.
Starting point is 00:17:05 No. Oh, no, it was just for money. It was money. Right. My ex-wives were coming after, you know, the IRS did a six-year investigation on me for no reason, for no reason I thought. But it was right after I started filing the patents. And then after doing the six-year thorough investigation, making sure that I was kicked out of all the banking, you know, all of the huge banks all sent me back my
Starting point is 00:17:31 money. And I was like, what is this about? And at the end of six years, you know what they said, they was like, well, you know, we haven't got everything we want, but we could continue this or we could, if you plead guilty to a fraud misdemeanor, we'll let everything go. I was like, no, let's take this to court. Let's put this in front of a peer, a jury of my peers,
Starting point is 00:17:53 and let's see how you behave with me. Then they walked away and then they brought something back later. But it was all because of challenging this status quo in the way that I have. I mean, I'm going to show you something. But it feels good, doesn't it? Feels freaking great. I got suspended 15 times every year.
Starting point is 00:18:14 Every 15 times a year, all through elementary got expelled four times, always for insubordination. Always for insubordination because I would ask the question, why? Why, why is this? Why? And they would sit up and say because, and it's like, no, don't.
Starting point is 00:18:31 But you know, you can't have both things because you kind of are both things, you know? Like you can't have an easy life if you also are special. You know what I mean? I mean, you're a very charismatic guy, you got tons of talent, I mean, you're a very charismatic guy. You got tons of talent. I mean, you look great. I mean, like, your whole life.
Starting point is 00:18:51 It's hard for you to stay out of trouble because you're the kind of guy, I mean, chicks must be on you like ants to a melting Hershey bar. I mean, seriously. They used to, but the funny thing, I never slept with any of the girls in Hollywood. Oh, come on. I swear.
Starting point is 00:19:07 I dated Naomi. I've dated a ton of people, and they were all set up, Marva Gaye's daughter. They were all set up and say, because I was Jehovah's Witness at the time. So I would go out with them, but I didn't want, you know, I would lay down with them. But that is, I mean, again. And that's 30 years into the business because my grandmother, Minnie Gentry, told me you don't shit where you eat.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Look, I have so much to say about that, but I can't bury the lead. Now I have. I can't bury the lead. Religion is stupid and makes people do stupid things. That's the lead story for that one. Because to like... I passed up on a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:19:49 You have a great pussy because, I don't know, Jehovah's watching is just... I can't. I can't go there with you. It was his angels watching. But I... But you're over that? No, and I had a particular taste. I mean, I'm over the religion stuff.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah, great. But there was something particular I was looking for in the spirit of a woman. I didn't care. The beauty was great. But it's like, I'm not just trying to- Well, that's profound and that's deep. But if it's because of God, I can't quite respect that. But if it's because you really don't wanna have sex
Starting point is 00:20:24 until you feel something, that I respect a lot. No, and it was not feeling love. It's not feeling love. No, but something, look. It's gotta be a cosmic connection. There's gotta be something bigger that's like this has to happen because there's so much trouble that you get in from it.
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Starting point is 00:24:01 protecting you and your loved ones. That's aura.com slash defense. Certain terms apply, so be sure to check the site for details. The biggest change I would say in my life decade to decade is that in the earlier decades of adulthood, I gave no consideration to basically what a very good-looking woman was like. I mean, I couldn't steal myself to whatever she was if she was very good looking and I wanted to have sexual intercourse with her. At a certain point, that goes away,
Starting point is 00:24:32 and they at least have to be someone who you also would want to have lunch with, or can talk to before the sex happens, this kind of thing. That's not quite spiritual, but to me it was progress. Now maybe someday I'll have to be like, well, she's got to be on the same page with God as me. There was always some silent conversation, like my wife, Mira, my got married October 26th, 2013. Because when she came in, three weeks later,
Starting point is 00:25:15 this is the one that I've been with for 12 years. When she came in, I literally, that whole thunderstruck that you talk about, we were having a conversation eye to eye without speaking and she was sitting with another gentleman at a table, having lunch. She made it clear without saying a word to me that she, that I knew eternity.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I knew I'd been around for thousands of lifetimes because when I saw her, the moment I saw her, everything, I realized I'd been looking for her for a thousand lifetimes and didn't even know. And that's the connection that it was and best sex in the world was everything that I could imagine. And then, and at the time I was,
Starting point is 00:26:01 I had just been accused of domestic violence from my wife, Michelle. I was done with everything. I was kicked out of Hollywood for the most part. I was canceled. I owed $500,000 from my patent attorney, $400,000 to my divorce attorney. She went and covered everything. But it was that connection that we had. I fucked you then had money. She, yes. Oh, I see what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:26:33 And she cooks like crazy. And she- And a cook. Oh, she did great. And stood next to me, this beautiful woman stood next to me when everybody was calling me a wife beater and made it possible for me to do the job on Empire. Has she got a sister? Yes, she does. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Well, I'm so happy that you're happy. I mean, that's great that you found the one. I mean, that's what everybody's looking for in the big Easter egg hunt of life, to find that egg in the grass, you know, just the right one. And she didn't look at me crazy when I first started talking about one times one equals two. And I wasn't talking about one times one.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Oh, I read about that. In linear math, you still can use the one times one equaling one for things laid out. But if you're talking, if you're trying to measure this room or measure some space. But if you're talking about fluid flow, gas flow, water flow, all of that has to be measured through volumetrically. So that's where the two come together. I've read your shit on this. And then I know Neil deGrasse Tyson. Tried to shit on this. Well, he sure did.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Yeah. But now what does he say? I don't know. I don't even know the particulars that much. I just know there was a feud a little bit. I gave him my stuff. But all I have to say is I don't know the specifics. I know what you're saying is either way smarter than I am or way dumber.
Starting point is 00:28:02 I don't know which one it is. You never looked at it like an option times an action not having a reaction for one times one to equal one. And that's what I asked Eric Weinstein on the show. I was like, show me one place in natural phenomenon where an action times an action doesn't have a reaction. And I will say one times one equals one. Oh, I see.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Yeah. Well, but one times one equals one. Oh, I see. Yeah, well, but one plus one equals two. Mm-hmm, and what is multiplication, but exaggerated addition? Does this have anything to do with October 3rd? No, no, no, you know what I'm saying. No, but like people think numbers, I used to think that, I gotta admit,
Starting point is 00:28:38 there was 20 years of my younger life when I was like, I paid a lot of attention to like numbers, like dates, and like, you know, and saw some meaning in that. I'm not so... I still do. Maybe I got off the train too early. No, you didn't get off the train
Starting point is 00:28:53 because you're still drawn to it. You still see 11-11 on the clock and you stop for a moment. You still see 12-34 and you're like, hey, something about it grabs you. Even when I see nine, anytime I see nine. Yeah, you know what? I once had a cut on my head and they shaved it and there was a 666. Is that significant?
Starting point is 00:29:12 Yeah, because it's not the devil's number. Oh, what is it? Is it a 310? What they were trying to do, no, they were chasing. It's a 310, I hope. No, they were chasing you from the truth. Because 666, six times six times six ends up being two hundred and six two hundred two hundred and sixteen two hundred and sixteen is the key of C or key of a
Starting point is 00:29:34 432 you double that wait wait to 16 is the one 666 if you do six times that part six times six is 36. I get it. 216. 216. Is the what? Is the key of A. What does that mean? The key of A? The key of A, the tone of A. What is?
Starting point is 00:29:54 The tone of A. Tones have number? Yes, the frequency of it, 432. Oh, I see. 432 Hertz. Instead of them doing 440. Yeah, I've seen that 432 Hertz. 433 kills you.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Well, the Beatles went to, Jimi Hendrix used to spend every day, spend hours trying to tune his guitar at 432, that's why people would be so pissed off at him. It's like, just tune the damn thing regular. No, he needed it at 432. When the Beatles went to India, they tuned their instruments
Starting point is 00:30:24 when they got back all to 432. When the Beatles went to India, they tuned their instruments when they got back all to 432 and remastered all of their stuff because 432 is the common factor of the universal tone. That's the sound of our earth. The sun is 864,000 compared to the earth at 432. The Moon is at 216. All of these numbers tie into astronomical things. So they're important. Okay. So when the Beatles got back from India, they remastered all their records? They remastered their records. They personally went into the studio and did that. From what, if you go to a site, there's a site called 432 Sacred Music of the Spheres on Google. And they'll
Starting point is 00:31:12 have a heartbeat there. And it goes through this entire system of what Jim Hendrix did, why 432 is important, what it means, what did the Beatles do with it, and all the other individuals like Trent turned his stuff to 432. Do you, what did the Beatles do with it, and all the other individuals, like Prince, turned his stuff to 432. Do you know the connection the Beatles had with Jimi Hendrix? No. Sergeant Pepper, that album, you know it, you love it, you hate it, you...
Starting point is 00:31:38 I love that album. Okay, good. Sergeant Pepper, the walrus, the lamb... No, that's not... That's not on that, what do you say, that's the yellow submarine? No, that's Magical Mystery Tour. But listen.
Starting point is 00:31:52 I'm really bumped. Yeah, on the Beatles, yes. So Sergeant Pepper came out like anything in June of 1967 and Jimi Hendrix was in London. And the day the album came out, he learned the title song and played it that night with Paul McCartney in the audience at the club he was playing at.
Starting point is 00:32:18 That it came out that day and he played it that night. That's a motherfucker, huh? No, there's only, they're running three chords, four chords shuffle. It's not the hardest thing to do. It's not when you're, not when you're, but to go and stylize on it. I wouldn't say all the Beatles songs were just
Starting point is 00:32:39 three chord shuffles. That's not true. No, but back then, back then most of their pop stuff that they were jumping out with had that three, four chord shuffle and they'll slightly make a change. Not later, not the later stuff. And this is the beginning of their later period. Oh, you're talking about, I thought you're talking about at the very beginning of their stuff when they're coming out. No, no, this is, no, they had their early sound, which you're right was more simple.
Starting point is 00:33:04 I have way less of that, like in my iPod, because some of it is just, first of all, the lyrics are for 12-year-olds in 1966. This is not interesting stuff to me. But the songs have great energy, and some of them are just timeless, and they're awesome. But they really started to grow when they got off the road. Revolver is 1966, that's like Eleanor Rigby.
Starting point is 00:33:28 Sergeant Pepper is the next year. Then comes the magical mystery tour with your war with song. Phil Bass. Then the white album, then Abbey Road, then Let It Be, or actually Let It Be, then Abbey Road. So that's the second half of their career. It was way beyond three chord juffles. That's why they were so great in that era.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Well, one of the things that the Beatles did in their change, like my favorite song from them when I was a child, the first time I knew the Beatles was that song, Help. Yeah. I need some, I was eight years old, living on Kingsley Boulevard between Sunset and Hollywood. I had no money. You were where?
Starting point is 00:34:10 Kingsley Boulevard. No, I got it. That's where you lived? Are you about to have a shot? Yeah, on Kingsley. I used to live there, had no money. You know, mother was doing everything she could. And then half the time, I would spend the summers
Starting point is 00:34:24 and the holidays in New York at Manhattan Plaza. With who? My grandmother, Mimi Gentry, lived in Manhattan Plaza. And that's where Giancarlo Esposito, he was my coach. He was the first person. Manhattan Plaza, we're all like the actors, right? Yes. It was like Ren subsidized for artists.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Artists. Yeah, it was it was like rent subsidized for for artists artists Oh, because remember they had every all that half these artists would would be on Broadway, but they couldn't get down No, no, there was those. I know a comic who lived in that building because he got that dispensation Yeah, it was a has it. Does he still know he's very rich now No, he didn't need it now. David, Larry David. That's it. Larry David.
Starting point is 00:35:11 You're right. I used to hang out. I used to run into his apartment and hang out with him. I hadn't seen him for 30 years. Is that right? Yes. Then the guy that Kenny Kramer, the real Kenny Kramer, I used to date his daughter Melanie.
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Starting point is 00:38:53 Visit pcfinancial.ca for details. But it's so good that you're in such a happy place because like, you know, with your woman, because, you know, that is, you know, when you don't have that, you're, you're just always thinking about getting it. I'll just put it that way. And, and it's a, you know, yeah, it can be, it can be a lot when that's what you're always every time you leave the house.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Yeah, but see, you have the hope right now you could bump into someone gorgeous that yeah but then you've got to see do they want you for your money or do they want you for it's it's it's so easy I mean first of all that's not even my situation I'm super happy the way I am you don't dream of falling in love I am in love I am in love. Oh, love and love? You killed it, right there. But, uh, but, uh, like,
Starting point is 00:39:50 I just remember younger years, there was not a time when I left the house where it wasn't on my mind. I'm talking about my 20s, you know, maybe the 30s sometimes if I wasn't with somebody, and like, it's just exhausting, like, I'm going to the mall.
Starting point is 00:40:05 Does this belt look good? It's like, yeah, that's gonna make a difference between you like meeting somebody at the mall and then what, getting laid and living happily ever after. It's all in the belt. If you have your belt on and you have six inches of that belt hanging off of you, everybody's primal.
Starting point is 00:40:25 We're still 98.7% simian. There's only 1.3% differentiation between us and them. And that 1.3% we call human. And we have to abide by that. But 98.7% of us is still trying to be that gorilla ape. That's who we are. We are. So how are they locking people up for killing someone
Starting point is 00:40:50 that's sleeping with their wife, when 98% of them, is like, you can't do that to the chimpanzees. All males fight over women in every species. I know, but again, it's gonna be harder in your life because married chicks are still gonna look at you and go. On their past. Yes, correct. And then you too, you still get it.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Please, please, it's just not a fair fight. No, because they see the genetic coincidence of symmetry. You know what? I'm happy with my lot in life because if you look like you, it is more trouble too. Like, I don't have a lot of trouble. You know? I'm pretty clean.
Starting point is 00:41:34 No marriages, no convictions, never caught my toe caught in the trap. It doesn't mean I haven't been happy. Not always, but you know, it's just, yeah, I mean, it can be a kind of a burden being too popular. Yeah. My whole goal now is to disappear from that side of it because I kept doing the acting and I've kept thinking one day this is going to be... Well, you're not stopping, are you?
Starting point is 00:42:01 I got to, dude. Acting? I got to. I got to. No, you don't. I got to. That got to, dude. Acting? I got to. I got to. No, you don't. I got to. That's a bad idea. I've tried to go in and do it.
Starting point is 00:42:09 May I just say, as a friend, who I don't know you well, but I like you already, I always liked you. You were just that guy, that leading man guy, who was like, well, I could never be that, but he's just so cool. I can't be jealous of it. I just was born different. But if I could, I'd be like that. That's the kind of guy,
Starting point is 00:42:28 if I was gonna be that kind of guy. But like, oh, I forgot what I was gonna say. Because we were talking about whether stopping. I had a conversation. Oh yeah, but so I just think it should not stop. You're good at it, we wanna see you, the audience is still there. You're just in the, you still look good
Starting point is 00:42:44 and you're at the prime of like, you've acted long enough, like, who are the best actors in the world? There are always people like in their 50s and 60s. They just act on a whole different level. We're not acting. You know, they finally, like, it becomes just so natural. You start hiding from the camera.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Don't deprive. Instead of chasing the camera. Yeah, don't deprive us of that error. Now, I'm in the Chitlin circuit now. They stuck, after I sued Fox. What does that mean? The Chitlin socket. Oh, I know what it really is, but what's it for you?
Starting point is 00:43:09 That's no studio movies, no big television stuff. Everything is on the outskirts. Why? Because you don't fuck with the mouse, I fucked with the mouse. I sued the mouse, I sued Fox. I sued and I'm suing CAA right now. But it's about my money. Somebody take 300 million dollars from you.
Starting point is 00:43:35 You're like, dude, you know what? You got to go for it. I know. But if you have this reputation as run around sue. Not not not at first. OK. Not like that. OK. It's one thing to fight with them or name call. Once you start with the suing, they kind of take it personally. And it gets too close to the money. But it's still not insurmountable.
Starting point is 00:43:57 What this country loves more than anything else is a redemption story. There has to be every script, whether it's an action movie or a romantic comedy, there has to be, you know, like, eh, eh, eh, eh. You know, it can't just be this. This is boring.
Starting point is 00:44:14 You know, the hero rises and then shit happens, or, and then they break up, and like, you lied to me. It's always some contrived thing in the romantic comedies. And then, you know, he chases her back some contrived thing in the romantic comedies. And then, you know, he chases her back to the airport or whatever, the world doesn't blow up. And you know, you have to have that. So yeah, I get where you are,
Starting point is 00:44:33 but you know, it's gonna go to the other place because it just, it does. That's the story America loves. And they just like you. You know, when they like you, they just, they find a way to when they like you, they just, they find a way to forgive. I mean, Charlie Sheen, I can pick on him, but like this guy has done so much shit that's worse than anybody else and he's still just, oh, that's-
Starting point is 00:44:55 He's got a great smile. Yeah. And he's just- Begarius. He's at- Scamp Charlie, you know, what? He's like Cuba Gooding Jr. He, no matter what Cuba is going through, you'll see him out at a club, smiling, living life. Nothing's bothering him.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Nothing's bothering him. He never lets it get to him. And me and him talk all the time because people always confuse him for me and me for him. And so anytime somebody will ask him for an autograph and say, Terrence, can you give me an autograph? He'll call me on the phone and be like, Terrence, this guy wants an autograph. Should I give him one? Should I give him something?
Starting point is 00:45:32 So we talk, but I thought with the stuff he went through that he would just go away. And it's like, no, no, he's made of something stronger than that. He's a piece of coal is, a diamond is just a piece of coal that did well under pressure. All of them don't do well under pressure.
Starting point is 00:45:49 He's done well, you've done well under pressure. They've tried to kick us out. I'm not going anywhere, so you kick me out of that side. Well, now let's talk about the science. Let's walk through that for a little bit. Let's walk through the math. Let's walk through your geometry. Let's walk through your geometry. Let's walk through your fundamentals.
Starting point is 00:46:07 What did Cuba do? I don't remember. I remember he was in trouble. Was it real? Was it? Can be that real. Cause they accused him of fondling or touching someone at a bar.
Starting point is 00:46:19 And then they accused him of touching some dude. It sounded like he- In Puffins' thing. I'm like, dude, that's not Cuba. I can't imagine Cuba touching some man. No. A man? A man, yeah. What is it with all the man on man action
Starting point is 00:46:36 that I'm learning about? I mean, like with the Puffy parties. The last thing I ever thought that went on there was gay stuff. Not that gay stuff was wrong. It's wonderful I just did not think that's what was puffy was doing. Yeah. Well, I didn't think it either and Even when my assistant said that stuff I still was like joking it off and it wasn't until later on that I heard other things from people that worked from him
Starting point is 00:47:02 You know you you remember that back in the times of slavery, they had a thing called breaking the buck, where they would take, not to go in a bad place, but this is how I see what's happening, the parallels with what's happening with correlates what's happening in the business. If they, back in the times of slavery, if they had like a some 12 year old slave that had, that was just full of himself and confident and you know wasn't listening, they would wrap, tie him to a log or a barrel and a bunch of the overseers would rape him to where when he walked around with the slaves now, he didn't have the confidence.
Starting point is 00:47:48 His whole, he was broken, and it was called breaking the buck. And that's still taking place, and so to hear that people in the industry are still making young rappers who have fought the worst of circumstances, being disenfranchised, being discounted, and then they finally like, I'm going to put it into music. I'm going to do it in the music. I'm going to get myself together, and they go and see someone, and they tell them, okay,
Starting point is 00:48:16 yeah, you got a deal. Perform palacio on me, and you get your deal. That was what I heard while I was on Empire about some of the people in the business. And Petey Pablo, you remember Petey Pablo? I know who that is. Petey Pablo, talented writer, singer, him and Young Buck wrote a song called Ho Is Om. And in that song, back in 19... about 2011 or 29 or something, because he called out all of the homosexuality taking place at those parties and those people,
Starting point is 00:48:53 he was kicked out of the music business. No radio station would play his stuff. So you look for Petey Pablo, he's not around anymore. But that song, Ho It's On, they did not kill him. They went all in on it look This is a country of snitches and bitches and when they want to just disappear you Not to get off on a tangent about how Trump is like literally doing that to people now I was I was all in his corner and that that right there that hit me. I was like dude
Starting point is 00:49:23 Oh, you can't do that to somebody's family. You cannot do that. Bring them home. Well, you just can't send American citizens or even- Out of the country. Right to a prison and not just a prison, a gulag. But what I was going to say is the snitches and bitches characterization of this nation in
Starting point is 00:49:44 this psychological moment in our life, I think, sometimes it seems like that's all it is. Everybody just wants to fight all the time and bitch, they will just find something to bitch about and hate. If they can take any one or two pieces of information and plausibly put it together in a way that will cancel you, they will do it. They don't care about the truth.
Starting point is 00:50:10 They care about a scalp on their wall that they can get. Somebody, and it happens from the left and it happens from the right, and they just look for that moment. So like, I feel like I've been swimming in a sea of sharks for 32 years. It was when, how long I've been on between the two shots. And every day I feel like I'm swimming among the sharks. And so far they haven't pulled me down. I've been net a couple of times. And yours?
Starting point is 00:50:42 Yes, I have too. But look, I'm not going to lie, after the first cancellation, if you went into my office, you were like, when are you going to start to decorate it? I'm like, I don't decorate my office because I feel like any minute I might have to bug out of it. It could happen overnight or literally.
Starting point is 00:51:01 You know what? Don't worry about getting any shit from my office. I didn't keep anything there, I never thought it was permanent to begin with. That's not a bad attitude to have. How many times have you been fired in your career? Well. All around, whether clubs or whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Oh, clubs. How many times? Clubs, well in the early days, not just clubs, but berated as to how man you were as a comedian and how much you made the paying customers leave. I've had that lecture. I was once, I did a gig in Cleveland in like 1980. I was too early in the business, like one year, to even be doing a headliner gig.
Starting point is 00:51:41 It was so terrible. And the next day, and I got that lecture after the show, like you not only are terrible, but you made people leave and probably not like this place in the future. And then the next day, I got snowed in for 12 hours. I sat at the airport, and I felt like everybody in the airport was looking, going, oh, there's that asshole. Lou, what did you do that night that you think did it? I would do jokes. I mean, first of all, I did not have enough of material,
Starting point is 00:52:10 enough of an act to do an hour. And when it didn't go over, I reacted badly. Instead of reacting humbly, I would like lash out at the audience. It was all so emotional. You didn't like my joke. Well, fuck you. I guess it's you.
Starting point is 00:52:27 You're bad, not me. And that's what a young 24-year-old comic does to really fuck up a night for everybody. I've been fired at least eight times off of jobs. And then I look at actors that's never been fired. I'm like, wow, you've never taken a chance, and you've never stood your ground. They're the first ones to say,
Starting point is 00:52:52 oh, I'll do it. I can do it. The first thing I ever saw you in was Mr. Holland's anus. Mr. Holland's anus? Opus? Well, I saw the porn version. No. Oh, good. I got him to cough laugh. No, I was thinking about the greenery, man.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Mr. Holland's opus. Yeah, I was so green at that moment. I was 25. Yeah, but I saw you. I remember I saw Angelina Jolie the first time in this TV movie about George Wallace, the Southern racist governor and his wife. He married Miss Alabama. And then she became the governor when he was term limited or something. And Angelina Jolie played that part.
Starting point is 00:53:39 And I said, the first time, I mean, she was, I'd never seen her before. And I said, that's going to be a star. I said the same thing about you and Mr. Holland's Aiden. Yeah, I was so. But you can just tell somebody just is born. I wasn't in Mr. Holland's anus though. I was in Mr. Holland's opus.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Well, that's not what I've heard. But Richard Dreyfuss taught me the best lesson in that thing, and I think it really made my career because we were doing this scene. We're basically sitting across from each other like this, and I'm having the drumsticks and I'm trying to pound it, and he's supposed to reach over and grab the drums in the middle of it. So I'm trying to lean over so he don't have to reach. He said, cut, stop, stop.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Don't you ever do that shit again. And I was like, what? And he said, don't you ever let me take a scene from you. I like you, but I will not let you take a frame from me. And don't you let me take a frame from you. You fight for it to the death. Because only one person is gonna walk away with this frame. So don't make it easy for me, that's what he was saying.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And from that moment onward, every ring I got into, when I go on the floor, I want to decimate the person I'm with, not in the fact of make them look bad, but I want them to not need their lines. I want you to be so caught up in what we're doing that you don't even need to say what you have to say. It's working on me right now. I'm about to break.
Starting point is 00:55:17 You're kidding me. I'm a cut, cut, bridge. I don't need a second take on that one. That is riveting shit. He taught me that on that movie and it changed the course of my career. Wow. Well, Richard Dreyfuss has been here too.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Oh, my God. Not in that position. Oh, yeah. He's gone through it. Well, no, he just took a bike in that day and was like horizontal in the chair. I mean, a lot of people have Googled it. But look, I like him so much. But isn't that what you're supposed to do here?
Starting point is 00:55:54 I think so. Oh, I'm waiting for you to pull out the joint. I mean, I done smoked up with, I smoked with everyone. You know what? People give me bad information and people protect people. You're not the first one here who I was told, like, don't tempt them. And I'm like, you're with me. I'm a tempter.
Starting point is 00:56:18 I'm a bad employee. We're at Club Random. This is known to be a place. This is a man card moment. Like smoking with Snoop. Like I still want to smoke with Willie. I still haven't done that. But with Woody Harrelson. Oh, I can arrange that in two seconds.
Starting point is 00:56:38 No, that's my boy. That's what the exhibit said. Yeah. Oh, I will so set that up. He owes me a favor. Oh, I will so set that up. He owes me a favor, like $100. But no, really, I will so set that up. That'll be fun. OK, so this is homegrown and good and pure.
Starting point is 00:57:03 In that yard? In that huge yard you got out there? Yeah. Yeah. I don't live here on the farm. I live next door. I know, but this is really nice. Oh, I know. I love California. You love California? You know, molecule for molecule, the THC in marijuana is 10,000 times stronger than alcohol in its ability to produce a mild intoxication. You are like Cliff Clavin.
Starting point is 00:57:32 I'm sure. You're like full of information. You remember Cliff Clavin? I know, but cheers. Full of information. You remember Cliff Klaven? But they also say it's like so much smaller than it was back in the day. Stronger. Yeah, it is. Don't you think?
Starting point is 00:58:01 Well, because of hydroponics and everything that they're able to do with it. Well, I just think that when money gets involved, they will find a way to manipulate seeds or, you know, they do it with our food supplies is shit because, you know, there used to be like so many different kinds of wheat. But because of, I can't even explain it, but the economics and it was more economical. And that's where MonoSat came in and they're just keeping the same. Monsanto? Monsanto. MonoStat.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Because you're stoned now. No, that's what it was. I'm thinking of a yeast infection. What? MonoStat. They use it for a yeast infection. I don't know how I made the connection. How do you know that? But I told you that. Because when I was about to do a film called Awake with Harvey,
Starting point is 00:58:47 Harvey Weinstein did this for me. Harvey, he did some beautiful shit. Of course. I had- As a producer? My quote was like $60,000 for a movie. And Harvey was like, and I was about to go and negotiate for Iron Man.
Starting point is 00:59:04 And Harvey was like, no, no, no, no. He's like, I'm going to offer you a picture for $3.5 million. You're going to decline that offer in writing, and that's going to be your quote for Marvel. And he did that for me. What? I don't understand. He said.
Starting point is 00:59:30 He offered me a film. I understand that part. But the part about declining, because that would raise your quote? No, he wanted, because he didn't want to have to pay me three and a half million. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:42 He wanted me to decline it. Yes I would turn down the offer, now I've been offered 3.5 million dollars and I turned that down, so that's now my quote. So you were able to take, my agent was able to take that paper and take it to Marvel and say, this is what it's supposed to be. So he helped. He helped. He helped for no other reason. No other reason. He was just good people. Hitler was a vegetarian. Everybody's got something about them. When I see everybody coming after him, when I knew what the business was, the night I
Starting point is 01:00:24 was nominated for an Oscar, I was having... Oh yeah, hustle and flow. Yep, I was having, playing poker. That must be a shit in your pants night with the suit and like, you gotta... Who did you bring? I brought my mom. See that's a safe choice. I brought my mom.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Yeah. I brought my mom. Unless you're fucking her, it's a very... No, no, no, the same Japanese poor. The same Japanese poor. brought my mom. Yeah. I brought unless you're fucking her. It's a very Japanese for but we had my damn that just fucked me up. I told you I'm you think I'm gonna give Terrence Howard bad. I don't know. No. Well, your mom. No, no. But that night I'm at Norby. Walters. Norby Walters party, house, playing poker. Okay. And Andy.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Hoffman. No. He's dead. Andy, the heavy set one. Oh, God. Andy Rooney. No, Andy. Andy.
Starting point is 01:01:15 I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close.
Starting point is 01:01:23 I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very, very close. I sat a little far from each other, round face, very round. Andy Richter? No, I know Andy Richter. Oh, that was so close. Andy said, I know you weren't. I really thought I had it on that one. Andy.
Starting point is 01:01:37 I really thought I had it on that one. But we were sitting there playing cards and I'm being facetious with him. God, now that's why I stopped smoking pot. You forget everything. I'm sitting there with- Andy Richter. Yeah, with Andy. It wasn't Andy Richter.
Starting point is 01:02:02 I'm sitting there with Ed. Who's the guy that played Santa Claus in? Ed Asner. Ed Asner. I'm sitting there with Ed. I love this game show. I love, good, good. I'm sitting there playing poker with him. Ed Asner, Andy to be named later. And I said to him. Tarrin Tower, and Henry Walters. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:02:21 I said to him, I said, they just had a cake for me for getting nominated. That was the night I got nominated. That, yes. I said to him, I said, they just had a cake for me for getting nominated. That was the night I got nominated. That's nice. I said to Ed, being facetious, I was like, what's the best advice you can give a young actor so that I can be successful in this business? He said, work on your blowjob, kid.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Who said that? Ed Asner. Oh, Ed Asner. Said, work on your blowjob, kid. Well, he Ed Asner. Oh, Ed Asner. Said, work on your blowjob kid. Well, he was joking. No, I know he was joking. I know he was joking. But after-
Starting point is 01:02:51 It's funny. And I took it like, what that meant to me was this business is about pleasing everyone around you. You have to please everybody else. It's not pleasing yourself. And then you get set up in the position to get pleased. That's how I took it. Do everything you can to take care of everybody else's needs.
Starting point is 01:03:12 Make sure the producer, the director, and the writer have all the things that they need. I didn't take it in a sexual way, but then after all of this other stuff came around, I'm looking at it like what he was saying was a lot of people got a head in the business by giving head in the business. Well, of course. I mean, that's when, look, it's way better
Starting point is 01:03:34 than it used to be. I mean, it used to be like not, they didn't even try to hide it. No. You know, Marilyn Monroe, who I, you know, famously don't think it's very attractive, and I don't want to go into that, but she never did it for me, but I know she was like the biggest boner in the world, but I mean, she was like used, like you cannot believe how they just
Starting point is 01:03:56 used people in this, without any apology or anybody caring. Did you see that movie they just did with her? Yes. And pushed her on the what a minute read the script yes and then blowing kennedy yeah why is a hard to do this is that all of that added to what it has no said no what my sister said about that other situation i'm just like the blowing kennedy scene was so disturbing because Kennedy was always a hero in my household
Starting point is 01:04:29 Okay, me too. Okay, so and look we don't know if it's true. I first it's a movie Okay, you made that up you weren't there in the room and Marilyn was blowing him He was sure she was blowing him. But the way they presented was he was so unfeeling. He's just lying in bed and he's on the phone. He never gets off the phone. Yes, he's sitting over there talking, not even looking at him. The biggest movie star in the world is blowing him and he's on the phone.
Starting point is 01:04:55 And the CIA or Secret Service is standing right there next to him. Right, it's just so demeaning to her and it's just hard to watch, and that's why Bobby Kennedy is crazy. Okay, no. But we just don't know that it happened that way. You have such power as a filmmaker,
Starting point is 01:05:19 and you are playing with fire because you are presenting images that people cannot forget. And in a part of their mind, you know, think maybe is true. And it is possible that Kennedy was that callous, but they just don't know. I mean, you look at his father and the choices that his father made, and the position that he was always in as the son that wasn't supposed to be there, his older brother was supposed to be there, the sicknesses, all of that, the medication,
Starting point is 01:05:53 what kind of effect did that medication have on him? What kind of painkillers was this man on being pushed into that field and he knew he was going to die. Okay. Yeah. Well, maybe. He was not physically well, even without getting shot in the head. That didn't help. No. But remember- But he had a bad back before that.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Did you hear what I heard about what got him killed? Oh, I think we all know generally what got him killed, but what's your theory? The night before he had signed an executive order ordering that the Federal Reserve would no longer be printing the dollars, that the US government will now print the dollars. The Federal Reserve is the US government. Federal Reserve is a separate entity. Of the US government. It's still part of the US. But it's a separate thing. of the US government. It's still part of the US. It has less congressional control, correct,
Starting point is 01:06:47 than cabinet positions or any other department. Yes. That's for a good reason. You don't want to politicize. Funny enough, Trump's doing that now. No, what I heard and what I've researched and found, it was comparable to what happened to Abraham Lincoln. He wanted to do the same thing, start printing money himself instead of having a Federal Reserve, because this was the problem with the Fed. If the Fed print, say Congress need $20 billion, the Fed's print, okay, to get the order, they print up the $20 billion.
Starting point is 01:07:29 They never print up the interest, because there's interest on that $20 billion that they just did. They've never printed up enough money to pay the interest, so they were always going to be in debt. So I heard that Lincoln, and I would love to find it, that Lincoln had ordered that the Federal Reserve wouldn't be printing money or whatever, and he was going to print it himself and the same thing was happening with Kennedy. And I could be wrong. This is something I'm shaking over.
Starting point is 01:08:03 I'm going to call the flag on this and say you are, because I'm going to go out on a limb and say that may be something Lincoln did, but he did other more controversial things. Yeah, he did. Okay, okay. But I'm saying, but that moment. I can't remember the one thing, but there was something he did that was super controversial at the time. Oh yes, freeing the slaves.
Starting point is 01:08:21 That's what it is. I think that's what got him killed. But freeing the slaves, freeing the slaves, I don't think that that did it, if what I'm saying is true. And somebody can look that up. But if so, I won't- Money's in a close contest with race. Because the thing that really unites to me, Lincoln and Kennedy, who were killed almost exactly 100 years apart, elected 1860, elected 1960, is that Kennedy was the person who changed the solid south, used to be called the solid south, med solid Democrat, to solid Republican. That never happened in American history report. An entire region switched parties. Why? Because until Kennedy, civil rights was not something the Democrats
Starting point is 01:09:15 cared about. In fact, they were on the wrong side of it. After Kennedy, they were on the right side of it. That's why he got shot. Same reason why Lincoln got shot. Do you think the Democrats are really in it from the heart or is it just so that they can curry the black vote? Look, when you send troops, federal troops, to guard black people so they can go to college, go to school. so that they can go to college, go to school. Kennedy was in it. That's what got him shot, is like, how dare you come down to our part of the country
Starting point is 01:09:51 where we're still really living in Jim Crow, post slavery, but not certainly America, and you come in here with the federal troops and your brother, Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy's father, who was like really adamant about this stuff. That changed an entire way the white electorate in those states voted, and they really haven't voted for Democrats since. That's political guts. And that's why he got shot, I think, more than anything.
Starting point is 01:10:19 He also wanted to get out of Vietnam, maybe. Lots of stuff that fought the status quo. And also remember the Bay of Pigs? Yeah. When he first got into office, he let the CIA have this plan to invade Cuba and take it back and it didn't go well. And you know, he then fired- That's what pushed Cuba to going and incurring favor with the Russians because they needed to have some kind of support
Starting point is 01:10:45 from them at the end of the day. Well, they were doing that before. No, they really tied the hands. That's what the Cuban Missile Crisis was about, the fact that Russia was sending missiles to Cuba. So Castro took over in 1959. Russia was like thrilled. We invaded in 61 when Kennedy was just newly in office and the plan was already in the works. And so he didn't stop it. He
Starting point is 01:11:12 didn't want to... He knew that the CIA would revolt. They had this plan in the works, we're going to go invade Cuba, we're going to use Cuba, it's going to be great. And it wasn't. And they blamed him for not giving the air cover that would have helped the invasion, but they were not going to overtake Castro. They just weren't. It was a fool's errand. And he then six months later fired the head of the CIA. So they were out to get him. And Bobby Kennedy was going after the mafia? The mafia? It was like an act of the Christie novel. They pissed off everybody who's good at killing you. The mafia, you know?
Starting point is 01:11:53 Is academia good at killing folks? Why? Cause they're coming after me pretty hard. Academia? Academia. You talking about elite colleges? Yeah, do they kill folks? Well, I never have a good word for elite colleges,
Starting point is 01:12:04 so tell me your story. No, no, everything they kill folks? Well, I never have a good word for elite colleges, so tell me your story. No, no. Everything that I've been doing, one of the scariest parts. You're talking about like Neil deGrasse Tyson? Yeah. I'm talking about the real people that's controlling, because one of the things that we found strange and Patrick Beddain talked about it, sent, put up a post. He was here. it. He put up a post and said, why is it? Because we had so much pushback about the
Starting point is 01:12:30 science and all of that stuff. He's like, why has no one actually signed up to come and do this debate with him? Why haven't you reviewed the papers? Because I put out papers for solving the three-body problem, because they wouldn't take me seriously. What's the three-body problem? The three-body problem has been hanging around since Newton. They can always control what's happening with two bodies in orbit. They can predict how they're going to behave. Oh, bodies in orbit.
Starting point is 01:12:58 So, one moment you have a third body, it goes into chaos. Oh, you mean because of gravity? Because of their gravity. Sure. I mean, they couldn't control the gravitational pull, but their stuff was off with it. And now, so for 300 years, no one was able to solve the three-body problem. Then AI did some solutions to it, but all of their solutions were time-dependent solutions. So they could run it for a number of cycles, but then after a given point, it would descend back into chaos.
Starting point is 01:13:31 Do you actually know, I'm not saying this physically, how electricity works? Yes. Oh really? Because that's funny. Ask any question that you've ever had about anything in the universe. No, I don't know. I don't want to know. I mean, literally, I'm saying, ask any question
Starting point is 01:13:47 that you've ever wanted to know about the fundamentals of how the universe works. And I have the answer, because we have the fractal. So I mean, you can do it right now. Any question you would want. Any question about anything with it. Talking about pressure, the entire universe and I've got one question.
Starting point is 01:14:12 This would be a good movie. Well, let's see. I hate to be selfish, but how can I ensure, especially now that we have AI and now that I'm almost 70, how can we ensure that I don't die? That's really the question that is most honestly on my mind. And it's the easiest thing to answer.
Starting point is 01:14:39 We have five elements in our DNA that make up our DNA. Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, oxygen. All five of these elements sit up and line themselves. And if you look at the legs of the DNA, not across the, if you look at the tail. I know what you're talking about, the helix. The helix, the helix is made up,
Starting point is 01:15:05 this is where the phosphorus and the oxygen spins. I'm gonna hold up for a second. The, you will have one, you have one phosphorus waveform and you have four oxygen atoms around it, wrapped around it. Well now it looks like Terrence Howard is angry. No, I'm not angry. And then off of this oxygen, these legs will start to form. This is the DNA, how the DNA legs start to form up, and that's the ATCG, and that's where
Starting point is 01:15:38 the carbon and the nitrogen, and it'll get over here, hit another oxygen, that's around four of these. Now when we're young, under this high pressure, we're tight and everything is really good and things work well. The resonance, we got to think that everything is moving with resonance. This will be over in 30 seconds. Everything is moving with resonance. So as the information is going over, but the older we get, the further we get from the
Starting point is 01:16:02 center of our galaxy, we're in a more vacuous space. The wider the space, now there's more room. And so all of the elements that would naturally, the carbon and the nitrogen that would be right next to each other or the hydrogen, it's separated out. So other things have gotten in there. That's how we age. So all you have to do, take your prime resonant frequency because there's a particular frequency that runs through your whole system that runs across your, um, your finger.
Starting point is 01:16:29 Okay. So how you play that back to you under a compressed area, underwater, your whole body will tighten up. You re you increase the pressure condition. You don't have to die. That's why I'm like, this stuff is like this isn't about flying. How can I access this frequency with parts found around the home? With parts found around the home you can... Well, I mean I just... So I don't need anything special not to die? You don't need nothing special.
Starting point is 01:16:57 You just need to run an electrical current through your system. But I'm going to keep getting older. No, no. Run an electrical current through your system. That's all you have to do. Run it through your entire system. Nope, they have those little things you hold. And it will tell you what your prime resonant frequency is.
Starting point is 01:17:11 How to, Bill Maher electrocuted in own home. If you're in the water, say you got a stone tub and you're in the water, the water is incompressible. And you have that press, that frequency of your own nature realigning you. It's literally like a molecular massage for each person, and you can tighten things and you can loosen things. Because now we have the steps that you couldn't have before. Okay. So let me ask you this.
Starting point is 01:17:42 I'm saying you can live forever if you want to. I do. And I'm going to have to ask you this, so. I'm saying you can live forever if you want to. I do. And I'm gonna have to call you back on this. I was, you know, I play shoot hoops every day here. And, you know, once in a while I go too hard and I sort of tweak my ankle and... But the first, I've done this before. I, you know, have been told that to walk barefoot
Starting point is 01:18:01 on the earth is very beneficial. Why? I'm sure you can answer that better than I can. But somehow, again, I'm just a layman here. You're connected to it. It makes sense on a very basic level. You've got leather on the bottom of your shoes. So you're connected.
Starting point is 01:18:20 All that's moving through you. I've got rubber on the bottom of mine. So now I'm disconnected. So that's moving through you. I've got rubber on the bottom of mine. So now I'm disconnected, so I'm no longer grounded. So all this negative energy just builds up inside of my system. And why are you wearing it? And it's waiting to discharge. The moment you touch the ground, you discharge. So why are you wearing those shoes if they're bad?
Starting point is 01:18:40 Because I don't know if I got holes in my socks. And I'm on the front of the front of the bed. Well, I don't think I'm getting a lot of earth here because we put cement here over the earth. Doesn't matter. But what happened is I walk barefoot on the earth. Not a lot because I really find it gross. God knows what's in that ground and I have to look out for the dog shit. Anyway, but I did it because this is what I've been told.
Starting point is 01:19:10 And I do think it made my ankle heal faster. I really do. Well, think about how the... But I don't think that's anything too outrageously... No, it's not. It's just basic physics. If you have something that wants to discharge because you're building up all this negative charge and going throughout life, going throughout with everything we're
Starting point is 01:19:29 dealing with and back to the frequency of 440 over 432, it said that Joseph Goebbels, you know, Hitler's minister of propaganda was the one that pushed 440 instead of 432 because it made people anxious. So to what you were saying earlier, everybody wants to fight and looking for a fight. Joseph Gerbils reached out to the opera houses in all of the other countries and said when back in 1938, 1939, when Hitler was doing all of his stuff, saying, hey, we've written a German opera and we would love to do it. This is before the big stuff happened.
Starting point is 01:20:13 We love for you guys. The war. The war. Yeah. Before. Yes, the war started. Hitler would be really honored if you would change your music to 440 so we could do this opera
Starting point is 01:20:27 there. And they did that in all those countries and they all wanted to avoid having them come in. What was the effect of moving it to 440? 432 hits you right at the heart. It's calming. It's good? It's calming. This is natural. I see. So 440 makes you rabid? Yes, 440 makes you rabid.
Starting point is 01:20:46 And they took it to 442. They keep taking it up, and people are just, and all of the music is programmed to that. So everybody is just like this, discharged, charged up. And so they want to discharge. So you take your shoes off, go to a tree. This is what I do when I'm flipping out and I put my hands on the tree, barefoot in front of the tree, and I just hold it, close my eyes,
Starting point is 01:21:09 until I don't know the difference between the tree and me. And that discharging, that circulation, helped heal your ankle. Because part of your prime resonant frequency is the Schumann resonance, and the Schumann resonance is the earth. Honestly, I can't see myself getting to the point where I don't know it's the tree. You must be on a-
Starting point is 01:21:28 You don't know it's the what? You said you don't know which one is the- No, you do, because the tree doesn't know where its branches end. The tree is always trying to grow. I thought you said you didn't know. And then I don't know where I end, because after a while of holding something, you forget you're touching it, and you forget it's touching you. And you know what I'm, because after a while of holding something, you forget you're touching it, and you forget it's touching you,
Starting point is 01:21:47 and you know what I'm saying? How long does this take? Five minutes. Five minutes. Five minutes? Five minutes, close your eyes. I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I could always know it's the tree, and that would be the end of our relationship.
Starting point is 01:22:01 No, it's not. No, it's not. But you know, if the 440 is making you tense, you can fix that. A 40. A 40. A 40, no, a 45. A 45 with that. By the way, you are like this generation's Billy B. Williams.
Starting point is 01:22:17 I told you that once at a party. I said, you should play his son in a movie. I was with Kid from Kid and Play. Do you remember that? Yeah, I'm like, that's- And I said, oh, I don't know, we were both, we were high. We were high, because this whole time, I've been waiting to fucking meet you.
Starting point is 01:22:32 No, but we didn't even- And I'm like, damn, I met you and I don't even- And we both bum roughed you with this great idea that you should play Billy Dee Williams' son, but it was at the time a great idea. And Billy Dee Williams was here, and you know, he's 80 and he's still fucking cool. And you look like you could be his kid.
Starting point is 01:22:50 The biggest mistake I made in my career was Smokey Robinson offered me, brought me out to come have dinner with him, and he wanted me to play his life. And I just had conversations with Lee Daniels about playing Marvin Gaye, and I was like being faithful to Lee Daniels about playing Marvin Gaye. And I was like being faithful to Lee Daniels because I had given my word as a man, I'm going to do this with you.
Starting point is 01:23:14 So when Smokey, I had to tell them at the table and it broke his heart. That was the biggest mistake and Billy Dee would have been one of the other people that would have Well, so you did which movie I didn't and I didn't Lee Daniels never did Marvin Gaye That's a shame because that is a much more Interesting stuff. Well, Smokey's interesting, but he went through shit. Yeah, but he's not dead No, he's not and And Marvin Gaye is.
Starting point is 01:23:45 And I'm sorry, but drama is drama. And there's a lot more drama in getting killed by your dad. Yeah, but the problem with- That's a story. I'm sorry to be the studio head who says that. But no, that's much more interesting. And Marvin Gaye was like, you would have been perfect as Marvin Gaye.
Starting point is 01:24:04 And that is a story that needs to be told. You know what happened with that. interesting. And Marvin Gaye was like, you would have been perfect as Marvin Gaye. And that is a story that needs to be told. Well, you know what happened with that. I was over at Quincy Jones' house. I'm not dropping names. I'm just giving credibility to what I'm saying. No, never drop names. De Niro told me that. So, but I'm asking Quincy, I'm hearing rumors that Marvin was gay, and Marvel was gay. And I'm like, was he gay? And Quincy's like, yes. He went around it with everything and I was like, no.
Starting point is 01:24:41 And I'm like, I could not. I just feel like there's a point, there's gay for real. And then there's a point where guys get so much pussy, they're just like, oh, fuck it. Yeah, well, it would have been that, but they would have wanted to do that and I wouldn't have been able to do that. Well, you mean you couldn't kiss a guy on screen in a movie? No.
Starting point is 01:25:03 Not even, yeah. No, because I don't fake it. I mean, literally, it has to. I couldn't kiss a man on screen in a movie? No. Not even, yeah. No, because I don't fake it. I mean, literally, it has to... I couldn't kiss a man either. That's true. And that does not... That would fuck me. I would cut my lips off.
Starting point is 01:25:12 Yeah. Well, okay. If I kissed some man, I would cut my lips off. Well, I would not do that. But it does not make me homophobic to not want to kiss a man. Just like lots of gay men are like pussy. I mean, that's okay. We all have our own. No one wants to tell you how to-
Starting point is 01:25:32 That's fine. Do what you love to do, but don't do it at me. Don't aim it at me. I can't play that character 100 percent. I can't surrender myself to a place that I don't understand. Yeah. And so that's the end part of that story of what I had to let go. I can understand it.
Starting point is 01:25:54 I'm just not of it. I mean, I could certainly understand. Man attracted to men. I mean, homosexuality is in nature. You know, animals, there are animals, many, many, many animals. Yeah, the bonobos, the bonobo monkeys, they practice it. They will practice it. They do, all of them. The whole colony, everything, the bonobos, their entire interaction is sexual.
Starting point is 01:26:19 It can't be all of it if they still make it. No, but they still do that, but it's seen in there. It's seen in those places. But for me, my constitution of what matters as a man for me, that's the part that I can't do. Maybe the Bonobos are gay. Every once in a while, the Bonobos thinks he should try, like Elton John,
Starting point is 01:26:42 when he married that girl in 1989. I mean, we all knew it wasn't going to work, but you got to give it a shot. Who knows? I said that to Lee Daniels once we were on set shooting Empire. I'm supposed to call all these names out. Call Skank, call herank, call her ass, call her something, da-da-da. He said, try some pussy,
Starting point is 01:27:11 try pussy. I said, why don't you try it sometimes? I said, that's a lady. Right. Well, see, that show is why you shouldn't ever quit acting. Because once you've had, and you're an Oscar nominee, but there are people who have been Oscar nominees. I mean, the Oscars were only like, last month, ask me now,
Starting point is 01:27:42 who was up for the awards? I couldn't tell you. So people forget that. But they don't forget like a show that had its moment as like the sort of it show. You know, Empire was sort of that kind of show, which was great, you know, because usually HBO gets that kind of show, White Lotus or something. But I wish HBO had it. I wish HBO had it. I think you did pretty good work. No, but they had stayed true to that story. But don't argue with success. We had 28 million viewers in the second year.
Starting point is 01:28:18 Okay. HBO has like 28 million subscribers. So look, I'm true blue HBO. They're my life and I love them. But some stuff is I think, no, I think you were in the right place. Go for a, you went for a broader thing, get the bigger payday in eyeballs and in money and become the water cooler show. Once you've had that, I'm telling you, you will always be in demand in some capacity.
Starting point is 01:28:53 And if you think you're canceled forever, there's this guy, I heard about this today, Mark Halpern. I remember I did a bit about him, I don't know if I mentioned him by name, in one of my shows like in 2018, one of my stand-up specials. He was part of the first wave of the Me Too thing. And his MO was around the office. He'd rub his dick up against you.
Starting point is 01:29:21 Do you know, you're over there getting coffee. How did you feel about it? Well, he didn't do it to me. If he did it to me, I would have felt poorly about it. Very poorly I would have felt. But he didn't do it to me. But he did it to women around the office who were just trying to find the Sweden Lowe. And then there's Mark Halpern's dick rubbing against your skirt. It's as grody as it can get. And yet, somebody told me today,
Starting point is 01:29:52 oh, you know, on his podcast or whatever, I'm like, this dude's back? Back! Because everybody's 98.7% simian. We are all animal, and so we're gonna forgive the animal. That goes triple for a guy who's rubbing his dick against you at the coffee station. It goes, and seven years later, so like.
Starting point is 01:30:18 She's married and got four kids. Well, who? The girl that he was rubbing up against. I'm just saying, like, you're canceled until you're not, and if they like you. This guy, look, I'm not trying to make this all about how terrible Mark Halpern is. I'm sure he's a nice guy. I had met him before that. He was on the show, but I do find what he did just as bad as it gets.
Starting point is 01:30:42 Let me tell you why it's hard. Why it's hard for a man. And that can make you for that. But if he can make it back with no charisma, not like nobody like, oh, boy, I can't wait to imagine myself with it, you can make it back a whole lot easier. I know. But I'm about a revolution about changing the world now.
Starting point is 01:31:04 Well, I hope you'll just at least tell me I'm about a revolution about changing the world now with... Well, I hope you'll just at least tell me that you haven't told your agent not to at least pass on to you. If you see something that's really great for you and then you want to go in and like... I can't believe they wouldn't take a meeting with you. Well, no, no, right now... You know what? I read this part and I think I could fucking kill it and I'm the right guy for it.
Starting point is 01:31:28 Because there are parts like that that are there. I'm not saying it happens every year. It happens not often. There's not enough good material. We all know that. But when it does, I hope you jump at it and try to get it. What if you found the greatest secret that everybody's been looking for that changes everything? How do you go on a set and be able to lend your entire being
Starting point is 01:32:00 to a character when your entire being is like, wait a minute, I don't have to stay in this body. Isn't that fun? Aren't you tired of being in this body? No, this body? Wouldn't you love to maintain your body? My body is tired of me. No, that's the problem.
Starting point is 01:32:16 I'm not tired of my body. I'm in body. I'm trying to be friends with it. I would love to see me outside of my skin in that light. I would love to see me in other dimensions. I would love to explore these other places that you can go to that the flesh doesn't allow you to go to. So that's what I want to do. But you were born a movie star. I'm sorry, precious, that this is complicating your life, but you are what you are. I don't know what about the science of it
Starting point is 01:32:48 or the DNA or what happened, but some of us are, we were just created to be something. You were meant to be that. I'm sorry, I'm meant to be this. I'm meant to be what I am. And I think you do yourself a disservice when you fight against that current because you're never gonna beat back the boats there.
Starting point is 01:33:08 It's just too strong. I always say water rolls downhill. And usually when I say it, what it means is that, I never got married because water rolls downhill.. I know where it's going to roll with me. And it's not going to roll toward there. And maybe at some point I'll be able to control that, but it does. And I feel like I'm happier when I live a moral life, but don't pretend I'm not who I am. And you're an actor, and it's fun, and you can't tell me that when you nail the close-up,
Starting point is 01:33:55 it doesn't give you a kind of adrenaline rush. I mean, I was an actor for 10 years. I wasn't even like really ever wound up that or was aiming to be that. I always kind of more wanted to be what I became, but that's what I did in the 1980s. I got a rush from nailing the close-up. It's just like it's a drug. It was as good as stand-up.
Starting point is 01:34:18 Well, it's a spell you're casting. When you know that everyone has been captured in that aroma and that whatever is happening, it's an impound, it's a medium, but you have to know that it's not you. You've just opened up and some other entity has entered you. No, it's bigger than you. There's another great entity. Or it can be. And some of those entities, once they get a hold of you, they don't want to let go of
Starting point is 01:34:48 you. And that's where the problem comes in. But what about Richard Dreyfuss and you in that little battle? That's what I'm saying. He told me, you go to the very end. So I went to the very end and let go of all. I questioned everything and everything was up for grabs because of trying to always win the frame to the point where when my mother was dying of colon cancer, and I love my mother
Starting point is 01:35:20 with everything I have, I'm sitting there looking at her and the actor in me kicked on and said, this is what it looks like when you're dying. And was taking a fucking note. The actor was taking a note while I'm there and I'm wondering who am I. And my mother died like three weeks later. And she was the only reason I became an actor. But does that diminish how you really feel about your mother? No. No, no, no, it doesn't.
Starting point is 01:35:51 But I'm like here, I'm trading sacred things for people. The producers, they don't care. They don't know what we're sacrificing when we're telling our stories. They don't know what we're reliving and trying to put a little seasoning in it and serve this up with a smile, you know, but it's literally my liver and my heart
Starting point is 01:36:13 that I'm giving you right now. And when they mistreat it and treat you like an insignificant worm, my very first thing with Bill Cosby, no, not in a bad way. It was just me standing up. I had gone to an audition. Barry Moss was right across the street. He was the casting director.
Starting point is 01:36:40 Barry Moss. Barry Moss in New York right on 43rd Street between like 8th and 7th Street on the uptown side. My younger brother had gone in there to audition and I just went to accompany him. Then Tony ended up going back to Cleveland and I was like, my mother always wanted my little brother to become an actor. So I'm, and was trying to get pictures, so I'm thinking, if I become an actor,
Starting point is 01:37:07 I'm gonna get my mother's affection. I'm gonna get my mother's affection. So I go and do the Barry Moss. I go up there when Tony's not able to go to the audition, I get the part. I go, I'm on the set, I have a great shoot. I think it's a great shoot. I'm at Pratt Institute, you know,
Starting point is 01:37:24 going to school in Brooklyn for a chemical engineer, you know, going to school in Brooklyn for chemical engineering, you know, electrical engineering at the time. And I tell all the kids in school, hey, I'm on Cosby Show, I'm on the Cosby Show. And the show comes out, and I have people watching it in the auditorium. I've got, I've pulled that.
Starting point is 01:37:39 Show comes out, they don't show me on the show. And I'm so embarrassed. So at six o'clock in the morning, that evening I called my great grandmother and I asked her what should I do? I said, I feel like I need to go and talk to somebody about this, about nobody told me I was cut out of this thing
Starting point is 01:37:58 and I'm embarrassed. So I go up to Kaufman Astoria Studios in where they were shooting in New York. And I'm waiting, and I made friends with all the security guards before, so they let me in at six o'clock in the morning. I'm waiting by Bill Cosby's door. They think I'm gonna do another episode.
Starting point is 01:38:20 And Bill comes in, I'm like, hey Bill, can I talk to you for a second? Now this is my very first job that I've ever had. I'm 16 years old. And Bill says, come on in. He pours himself some coffee. He was like, what's going on? I said, I watched the show last night.
Starting point is 01:38:35 He said, what'd you think? I said, it was good. But there's only one problem. Y'all cut me out. And he was like, yeah? I was like, but y'all cut me out. And he was like, yeah. I was like, but y'all cut me out. And he was like, well, that happens. I was like, yeah, but nobody told me. He was like, didn't your agent tell you? I was like, I don't have an agent. He was like, well, you need to get you an agent.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Playing straight. I said, well, you told me that you liked us on the set and that maybe you would bring us back together This is my 16 year old ass he says and it's only been three weeks He was like, well, you know if we like you, maybe we will bring you back I said, well, did I do something wrong by coming and ask you about this? He is like he's like no He's like but you you don't ask you said he said the next time you have something on, he said, you don't tell somebody you're on it. You let people call you and tell you they saw you on the show. I said, but dude, I wouldn't have told everybody at my school because you're not the number one show anymore. Roseanne is the
Starting point is 01:39:38 number one show. And this is how I fucked myself with Bill Cosby by being that loud. And I walked out and said, maybe this isn't the business for me. That's why I'm not that upset about being this age, because you're just so stupid when you're young. You do stupid shit. You do stupid shit. I've done stupid shit too. I mean, I'm with the cause on this one.
Starting point is 01:39:58 It just happened and you just got to eat shit when you're young and on the bottom. I remember doing a TV movie in 1988 called Out of Time, a direct ripoff of The Terminator, but we went right ahead. Two hour, what they called, movie of the week. I was very excited. I was one of the co-stars. And I was kind of 8 a.m. call one day
Starting point is 01:40:19 and stayed in my trailer until 3.30 and showed up on the set at 3.30 in the afternoon, which happens. Sometimes you never get a call. It does. Yeah. Directors want all their colors on the palette. Yes. So I showed up and not in a mean way,
Starting point is 01:40:37 but just comic. I thought and I showed up at 3.30 and said, okay, here I am ready for my 8 AM call at 3.30 and said, okay, here I am ready for my 8 a.m. call at 3.30. The director was like, don't ever do that. You're 28, you had a part in a major movie of the week on a major network. If I want you here every day at 8 a.m.,
Starting point is 01:41:00 even if you're not on the call sheet, I'll do it. I mean, he didn't say all that, but I got it. Like, dumb. Just like when you're, before you get there, don't act like you got there. Okay, there's a song for you. Don't act like you got there. And I thought I was doing the right thing by just standing up for myself, but I wasn't patient and didn't learn the system. You know, and that's what so many young, talented people, they jump out there, they're full of it.
Starting point is 01:41:32 That's the bigger problem too, that stresses three or four of the things we've been talking about. How much, in 1970, healthy male, how much sperm do you think he produces per heartbeat? Oh, per heartbeat, I didn't know it was calculated that way. What do you mean per heartbeat? Per heartbeat. And I'm thinking for every heartbeat you produce some sperm? Every heartbeat. How much do you think a healthy male from 1970, 1969 would produce? Oh, 70. Oh, why didn't you say so? 70. okay. Led Zeppelin was on the charts.
Starting point is 01:42:06 I'm gonna go with 100 per beat. 1500 sperm per heartbeat. And what is it now? For healthy male back then. That meant there was 250,000 to 500 million sperm in a healthy ejaculation. Now the healthy ejaculation is 10 to 15 million sperm. More? No.
Starting point is 01:42:27 Less. That's all we have left. 10 to 15 million sperm because of the phthalates, because of the BPAs, all the plastics, all of the things that's going into our system. And that's for all the males on the planet, not just us. So it's estimated by 2045, there will not be any males left on the planet able to produce sperm. Have you told this to Elon Musk and Nick Cannon? No. Because... They're doing the right thing.
Starting point is 01:42:56 Procreate. Really? Procreate if you have to, because most species that they're facing extinction, that's one of the first things they do. There's a extinction, that's one of the first things they do. There's a genetic kick that's like, okay, we need to diversify and procreate. Something has to survive this. So, hey, but nowadays we don't have that much. How old are your kids?
Starting point is 01:43:17 I have a 31-year-old daughter, Aubrey, a 29-year-old son, Hunter, and a 28 year old daughter, Heavenly, and I've got a nine and eight year old, Kieran and Hero. So the ones who are around 30, obviously, they're full on adults. What do you guys, what do you argue about? Where are they like, dad, that's old thinking, dad. They don't do that.
Starting point is 01:43:46 They don't. They don't do that. So you see eye to eye and everything? Because I've been, I was too honest with them. Like my daughter got mad at me because when she was 14, I called her and I was like, hey, I feel like killing myself because I was going through all that stuff with getting kicked out of Hollywood
Starting point is 01:44:01 and all of that, I put too much on her. So I shared everything with them. I was never all of that. I put too much on her. So I shared everything with them. I was never outside of it. So they didn't believe anything about the science for the first few years until now, all of the patents, now all of the stuff flying, and now all of the changes and what AI is doing with it. So now they see me as the greatest hero right now, of the changes and what AI is doing with it. So now they're like, they see me as the greatest hero
Starting point is 01:44:28 right now because at one point my daughter's was like, I don't respect you as a man. As a man? Because my ex-wife said I had beat her up and all of that. And that was the worst part of trying to defend myself at a time when you couldn't defend yourself. And that's when I dove into the science. But they see me right now. So you think she just was mad at you, so she said you beat her, but you didn't?
Starting point is 01:44:52 No, no, no. She was doing that because she knew that I had had a fight with my first wife. But she knew that within a year of us being married, not one trip to the hospital, not one call to the police, not one call to the police, not one report from neighbors about us fighting, not any of that. And she goes and says, you know, that I beat her up. And it's like anybody that knows me. Yeah, I'm a fighter. I fight men. I'm a fighter. I do that. Nobody knows what a guy is like. That other stuff was like. Yeah, but nobody knows what a guy is like when he's with a woman.
Starting point is 01:45:29 I've seen it too many times. I won't go into specifics, but there's somebody who a lot of us in the comedy world worked with, and we didn't know some of the very unsavory things he was doing. I'm just saying, no one knows you unless they know you in that way. People are very different with women,
Starting point is 01:45:53 but unless there's, I always say, if you're not in the room, then you're not in the room. You just don't pretend you know what happened. You just like one of the sides, and so you're just pretending that you know, because you want to back that, but you don't know. But it doesn't sound like,
Starting point is 01:46:13 I mean, I just don't think it's insurmountable as far as America has a way of overreacting and then going, oh, yeah, maybe we did kind of areact to that one. You know what I mean? This is, I don't mind the overreaction because if that hadn't happened, I would have gone on and kept making the money
Starting point is 01:46:32 and I wouldn't have cared about that little voice in the back of my head. It was that little voice that was like- What's the voice saying? The little voice was like, remember what you came here for. Remember the question that you first wanted to know, how does everything work? When I started going back into that, I made all the discoveries.
Starting point is 01:46:49 Then I had something to put the money into. That's where the patents come from. That's where the innovation comes from to where this is what... So you say patents. Yeah. Do you think you have a chance to become extremely rich from what you're working on? Let me show you something. I mean, it's a fair question.
Starting point is 01:47:08 I don't think you ever saw what I'm working on, because you're about to watch. So it's the thing that's going to make me live forever? When this is over, I'm going to show you something. Is your day, like, consumed with this? Like, you work with a team? Yeah, I have a... We have a full team, international team,
Starting point is 01:47:27 from people in Canada, people in Chile, people in Germany. Because when I first did my stuff with the linchpin, when we first decided, what is the linchpin? What is the linchpin? Well... Uh-oh. What is what? This is how it started at the Diddy parties. Yeah, the guy reaches into a bag and the next thing you know, you've got somebody's dick up your butt. Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:48:03 I'm going to put some pentagon. Wait, can you believe some of the people who were at those parties? Yeah. Justin Bieber. Yeah, but he shouldn't have been there at 14. And that's the thing. You know, for somebody to, like, I stand big on maintaining somebody's man card, you know, but if it's taken from you, that don't take away your man card. If some child is raped, it doesn't take away your man card. What is man card meaning?
Starting point is 01:48:29 Your man card is your integrity, your dignity. Oh, it's not your butt. It's your butt. Oh, wait, is it your integrity or is it your butt? That is your integrity, because that goes to your intestines, and that's your dignity, that's what you do here.
Starting point is 01:48:46 Well look, to be clear, my man card has never expired, okay, until my man card is intact. But I don't think my butt has anything to do with my man card. But okay, all right. This is what happens when, just hold it, this is six pentagons coming together. Can you imagine that in the last 6,000 years of our recorded history, no one has ever put six pentagons together that way? Ben Wattenberg Why? What is it? Why is it good? What does it do? Dr. Michael S. Linton Well, this became the fractal. This is the
Starting point is 01:49:18 linchpin. It's where four bubbles meet. It's where each of the natural forces creates the form of electricity, what you said. And then what practical end does this give us? What does this get? Where does this get us? Well, before we thought it was a cue. Now we understand that we have 12 opposing vortices, harmonic vortices, that's interacting. So now we're able to predict where planets are going to be, where we can predict all distribution of matter.
Starting point is 01:49:50 We definitely could predict that before. No, but we couldn't. We could certainly predict where planets were going to be. But we can predict where all of the stars, where everything is going to align. Each one of these vortices, it picks up the galactic plane, the celestial, and I've got an app where everything that I'm saying to you, I swear, is on 100% truth.
Starting point is 01:50:10 We have papers on it and we have the actual apps for it. I got a great, you asked me before, like what question could I ask about the universe? I just thought of a great one. Last week, they discovered a planet that's 700 trillion miles away, which is like, I don't know. Four light years. No, I think way more than four. Okay, I just saw a different one then.
Starting point is 01:50:33 Well, it's 700 trillion. I don't know how many light years that is, but it was like 120. I don't know, whatever it is, it's a ridiculous number that we could never travel to with what we know now. Okay, so the story was that this could be, or they said it was likely to be a planet that had life because- Of its proximity to its star. No, no, no, no, because they detected in its atmosphere-
Starting point is 01:51:05 Methane. No, no, no, because they detected in this atmosphere methane, five different chemicals that are only present when life's basically is breathing. Okay, I was very impressed that they could detect this from 700 trillion miles away. So can you explain to me how they could detect what chemicals are in the atmosphere of something 700 trillion miles away? Because I don't know. You ever heard of a spectrometer?
Starting point is 01:51:36 Have I heard of one? I've got one in my car. No, a spectrometer, it basically, we as humans see only 0.005% of the total light spectrum. That's less than one half of 1% of what is light. A spectrometer is able to see all of the other waveforms that we're not able to pick up. And then the... So there's a chemical that... Every chemical has a prime resonant frequency by which it bonds or breaks its bonds.
Starting point is 01:52:15 That frequency, you can have the Webb telescope sending a laser that's picking up, and that consistency, it's able to attach that to the periodic table. It says it has this here, this here, this here. Okay, very good. I'm just saying I could not have done it with things I've learned on YouTube. And somebody did it and I think they should be applauded.
Starting point is 01:52:37 Just, I don't think they're getting enough love for being able to detect what chemicals were in the atmosphere of something 700 trillion miles away. I feel that guy should get laid more. Wow, he will. But you know what? With your plug, he will. Nope.
Starting point is 01:52:53 This right here? It's still going to be you. Picture this as one proton. Okay. Guess what happens when they begin to bond? Oh, it's like Legos. Oh, Legos wish. Legos wish.
Starting point is 01:53:12 That should be your next. This is the fractal. So now this is what they are seeing. Who's seeing? When they look at particle beams, they're only able to see to this point. And you see that it still fractals out or scales out with the same four vortices that it had.
Starting point is 01:53:33 And four of those will bond and make larger bonds. And it's all predictable. So the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is gone now. I still don't see how it affects play erection. Well, that's the same with nitric oxide. That's just either endothelial cells. You need to feed your- I broke the universe. You broke the universe.
Starting point is 01:53:54 You broke hydrogen. You just crushed hydrogen. You're a fool. But I was able to demonstrate. All right. Well- And these things fly. Fly?
Starting point is 01:54:02 Like a drone? They fly. No, like a plane. They fly. They demonstrate. All right. Well. And these things fly. Fly like a drone? They fly. No, like a flight vehicle, not like a drone. Patton's been granted worldwide.
Starting point is 01:54:13 And I'm like, this should have never made it through. Shouldn't have. It should have never made it through. Somebody should have snatched this and said, hey, it's that important a thing. And they've allowed it to go through. It allows for over unity. And they didn't need to talk about it. Well, they allowed AI.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Nobody's watching the shop. That's what I'm saying. People used to be watching and saying, hey, we need to keep this in our government. Definitely nobody's watching the shop. That's what I meant on Patrick Ben-David's show about show about, hey, no, no, I, I, hey. But even, even before Trump, AI, nobody was stopping AI, and probably nobody will. They're just going to have a race to the bottom.
Starting point is 01:54:59 And when I mean the bottom, I mean like where the money is. And fuck it if it's going to destroy major parts of humanity. They just don't care. When it was first proposed AI, they all agreed. They kind of had a little truce. Well, this is just going to be a nonprofit. That didn't last. You're right. It's always the money. The money. The money, yeah. And the money is all fake. It's been fake since 71.
Starting point is 01:55:33 Well. It doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, but if it can buy things that aren't fake, then it's not fake. It just, it buys influence, but it has, it has. Well, it also buys apartments. It buys, you know, or the oil that Puffy used.
Starting point is 01:55:51 It just, money is freedom. But you know, when I was poor, I didn't have the freedom to never take a job. That's a great freedom. I have that freedom now. I don't have the freedom to like eat what I wanted to eat because I was too poor. I had to eat at Blumpiece across the street, you know? I mean, so-
Starting point is 01:56:11 That's why I sued those companies. For money. Because I needed the money that I, you're gonna make two, three billion dollars off of me and give me, I've got 28 billion, 28 million viewers. The people on Big Bang Theory have- But that's your agent's job. I've got 28 million viewers. The people on Big Bang Theory have... But that's your agent's job.
Starting point is 01:56:27 Yes, my agent's job, but they had packaged the deal. So they were incentivized to keep my pay low. And so they're telling me that, no, no, it's because you and Taraji are favorite nations and we couldn't come to a deal with her that we gotta keep you at $325,000 an episode when you got 28 million viewers. And they did that for six years. And they were the ones that were looking after the people on the Big Bang Theory.
Starting point is 01:56:56 You should have left that agency. Yeah, well, you do. And it's like, now I gotta sue you. That was wrong. I gotta check you on that. The business has changed for the people watching this or not in show business. There was a time when agents were not involved
Starting point is 01:57:13 in packaging and producing and production. And once that line got crossed, it did become a little weird. The fiduciary responsibility was neglected. little weird. Fiduciere responsibility was neglected. And that's become pandemic in our business. No one keeps their word. Nobody's a man anymore.
Starting point is 01:57:33 I don't really think they ever were. You think Louis B. Mayer kept his word or any of these motherfuckers back then? You think they kept their word? Yeah, they kept their word that Marilyn will blow me after lunch. You know, I don't think anybody ever would. Yeah, you're right. I mean, I just don't... They've been selling Neverland to everybody.
Starting point is 01:57:55 Well, they're no different than any other business. We just sell something different. We sell dreams and entertainment and acting, and other people sell widgets, and other people sell fucking mufflers. And everybody, that's the beauty and the horror of capitalism is that it depends on human nature being what it is, which is greedy and selfish. And if you ever try to change that equation, which is what communism was, you will fail because human nature is greedy and selfish and you know look at you you got like a million dollar parka on you you know you don't want to be poor.
Starting point is 01:58:32 The selfish no I do not. Yeah. The selfish gene that's why I sued everybody I want my money. Right. That's the thing I want my money. Yeah I don't blame you. Show me the fucking money. Yeah, I don't blame you. Show me the fucking money, man. There's your boy, Cube, again.
Starting point is 01:58:48 Fuck. Yeah. So we can go away, but I've got other shit to do. All right. But I love this, man. Well, I got other shit to do, too, now. I could talk to you all night. I really could.
Starting point is 01:59:00 I love getting a little wasted with you. You are everything I thought you would be. Please don't say this for the last time. No, no, no. Look up my shit. Oh, I will. Look up my shit. Go to terryslinchfens.com.
Starting point is 01:59:14 All right. Well, I promise you I will do a deep dive. I promise you everlasting life if you do. That's so much fun. Thank you, man, for coming here and doing this. I really appreciate it. Thank you for smoking with me. For the joy. Thank you. Oh yeah. That was beautiful.
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