Club Random with Bill Maher - Zachary Levi | Club Random with Bill Maher

Episode Date: December 8, 2024

Bill Maher and actor (Shazam!) Zachary Levi on the insanity of cutting off family members at the holidays due to political disagreements, Zach’s vote for Trump and career implications, the importance of talking to the other side, the need for nuanced thinking, legacy media stoking divisions and fear, misinformation and extremism, Zach’s support of RFK Jr., open debate about medical issues, criticizing those who shut down questions as “anti-science,” the vilification of medical skeptics, skepticism or raises questions about medicine, spirituality and God, and finding common ground.  Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use code RANDOM to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/RANDOM Get 15% OFF and save even more on bundles using code RANDOM at https://www.GetSuperBeets.com Download the Draft Kings Casino App and sign up with code CLUBRANDOM Only on DraftKings Casino.  Gambling problem? Call 1-800- GAMBLER. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling call 888-789-7777 or visit https://www.CCPG.org. Please play responsibly. Twenty-one plus. Physically present in Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia only. Void in Ontario. Eligibility restrictions apply. New customers only. Opt-in required. Casino Credits are non-withdrawable and expire in one hundred sixty eight hours. Terms at https://www.casino.draftkings.com /promos. Go to https://www.RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code RANDOM at https://www.irestorelaser.com/RANDOM #irestorepod Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Well, I mean, I did, but. I love Rand but. Club Random. Zach? Bill. Is that you? It is I. Hi. What's up, man?

Nice to meet you. So nice to meet you too. Thanks for having me in your Club Random. Yeah, you know, I brought this because it does, it can get very cool. Oh, is that yours? That's mine over there. You might need that too. I don't know, you, it can get very cold. Oh, is that yours? That's mine over there. You might need that too.

I don't know, look at the walls, they're like so, wood absorbs, this gets cold. The brick gets cold? Well, sure. It's just, I mean, this funky place doesn't, if it had. How long have you been here? Like how long have you lived in this spot? I just got here, Zach.

Shut the fuck up. Like a minute ago. What are you, high? I'm long have you lived in this spot? I just got here, Zach. Shut the fuck up. Like a minute ago. What are you, high? I'm the one who gets high. Not yet. Oh, I've been in this, well I live close by. I don't actually live here. Oh, okay.

This is the party house. Always was. So we made it into an official party house. But I just saying I brought the, because it does kind of get cold. But never cold conversationally. No, I'm not worried about that. I'm sure that's gonna stay nice and spicy.

It's funny, I thought that it would be such an appropriate day, because I don't know when we're gonna air this, or as the kids say, drop it like a rock, like it's hot. But it's the day before Thanksgiving. So I thought since there was some at my last editorial I did Friday was all about yelling at people who cut people off or suggest cutting people off

for the holiday. Oh, I reposted it. Oh, you did? Oh, yeah. I mean, I, you know, well, we'll get into all that, I'm sure, but you know, I know, I've lost plenty of fans on the far left who like hate when I do that, but it's just so true,

and it's just so wrong, and so I do love to stick the knife in them when they do stupid things. I mean, advising you to cut off your family, and I understand how, I mean, nobody understands, you know, how much I didn't want Trump to be president more or said it more, but still, like, your family, I mean, just the lack of sort of common sense about, I mean, you'd think the one thing anyone can get is family.

Like, it's always been the one thing that transcended politics. Yeah, well, true. And also, I mean, listen, I don't think anybody, there's plenty of people that live with or have to deal with quite unhealthy families. Like, politics aside, I don't think that blood should be so thick that you would allow for, you know, abusive relationships in your life, right? But, but that said, a lot of people, unfortunately, they see someone on the other side of the political aisle

merely by having voted for Trump, if they're from the left, as that's abusive. They actually see it as an abusive behavior, which I don't agree with, but. If people don't know what we're talking about, that's you. You got canceled for basically saying... Have I been canceled? I don't know.

Well... I hope I haven't been canceled yet. I mean, if it happens, it happens. I mean, come on, didn't you lose jobs for that? Isn't that what canceling is? No. For coming out and voting for Trump? Yeah.

I mean, listen, I have yet to see what the ultimate effects of all that are going to be. I already had multiple jobs that I was in the process of shooting or that I have yet to shoot, and none of those have been compromised. All of those, like none of my producers or any of the these studios behind those films or projects have called and said, hey, listen, this is a, you know, a line too far and we can't have you associated with the project anymore. We're all still full steam ahead on those. How it ultimately plays out in the future, I don't know.

I'm going to sit down with my team. I've been in Eastern Europe making this movie all during the election and everything. I was all disconnected a lot from what was going on, other than social media and following the election and everything. I mean, I was all kind of disconnected a lot from what was going on other than social media and following the news and kind of seeing the play-by-plays. But, you know, I'm gonna sit down with my team and we'll talk about,

because I haven't talked to any of them. They might say, hey, listen, we've had some phone calls with some people and they don't wanna work with you anymore. I don't know. I could have sworn that already happened. No, no, I think it was because when I did the town hall with Tulsi and Bobby, so basically I was stumping for Bobby.

I really wanted Bobby to be our guy. Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy, yeah. He sat there and I don't agree with everything, but among people in my field, especially who were considered liberals, I have definitely been the most supportive. You know, his general view of health and medicine and how it all works and what's important

is closer to mine than Western medicine. Having said that, you know, are there places where, and it's hard to pin him down because he's been all over the map. Like when he sat there, I said to him, well, you said there's no really good vaccines or something like that. Maybe that's not exactly it. And he went, that's what you think?

And I said, yeah. Why? Well, because it's in print. What's in print? I forget exactly what it was. You mean he said it was in print? Yes. I was questioning him on something. Yeah. And it was a much more blanket view of vaccines than I hold. Yeah I'm not anti, you know, it's another thing. I fucking hate about the left is that

Just to have a question about something. Yeah Anti-vaxxer you're you're a pro idiot because you're not looking at the nuance of it Yeah, and then the and then you have the nerve to call me unscientific. No, it's unscientific to be like blinders. So I've said it a billion times. There are some pathogens out there and possibly to come that I would fight you for the vaccine. Listen. I'd kill you.

Sure. You in particular. Absolutely. I totally understand. I would be first to go. I'd kill you. But it was sure. You in particular. Absolutely, I totally understand. See you getting it. I would be first to go. But I think that what he was saying, if I remember the clip correctly,

and then ultimately what he even kind of expounded on was, and what he is even saying now, and as people don't understand, just because he calls into question the efficacy and the safety of the current vaccine schedule, the 72 shots that we give the children. It all should be called into question. And that's science.

Just question. And that is science. Science should never, ever, ever be afraid to be challenged, ever. And Bobby has been very adamant. He's like, listen, I'm not saying that vaccines as writ large are some evil thing. I don't think that either.

But I think that a vaccine, what used to actually define what a vaccine was, what essentially was giving someone a live attenuated- Correct. Part of a virus or bacteria, just enough where it got them just sick enough so that their immune system kicked on and then they had a forever immune immunization

from whatever this thing is. Which is why- Basically a dead virus. Well, yes, a live attenuated. I mean, it's like almost dead, it's weak enough where it's not gonna, I mean, listen, in the Revolutionary War with smallpox, this is what they did.

People were getting smallpox and dying, and I think it was a French general actually who came over, one of the heroes of the Revolutionary War. And I think it was him who said, actually what you need to do is take a teeny little bit of like the pus that is coming off of some of these soldiers and infect the rest of the soldiers with it and let them go get sick and build the immunity.

And that's how they beat the smallpox back then. That is more of a vaccine. Right, that must have been at the very beginning of that because Edward Jenner was soon after that and the thing with the cow and understanding, you know, using the cow, that was late 1700s and of course the Revolutionary War is right after 1776. So those people were real pioneers just in thinking. Absolutely, and understanding that. And by the way, I'm sure it was something that was evident for thousands of years if So those people were real pioneers just in thinking. Absolutely.

And understanding that. And by the way, I'm sure it was something that was evident for thousands of years. If you even go back to our tribal selves, people were getting sick with things. People were realizing and recognizing how some of that stuff had to have been going on. Whether they had a scientific understanding is completely secondary. But I don't think they had the concept of inoculating yourself deliberately. Well, I don't know. I don't know enough about it.

They surely didn't have that in 1300 AD in Europe. No, the Dark Ages were the Dark Ages, bro. Yeah. I mean, maybe the Indians did something. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think there's probably a lot of tribal peoples. I mean, listen, if tribal peoples could figure out that there's a plant and a vine down in Peru and in Brazil, that if you mix a soup of the both of them, then your body can digest this ayahuasca and have the... I mean, it's incredible the amount of knowledge and wisdom

that ancient tribal peoples have had about lots of different things, our own biology being one of them, how we interact with various plants and medicines throughout, you know, for thousands of years. I'm not a historian on all of that. All I'm saying is that it would not surprise me that there was some understanding of if you can get this thing sick a little bit with this, then you will be stronger for it later

on. Right. And what's so galling, and I just had this happen to me again, but I won't say by who because I don't want to keep that thing going. But the way, if you have questions, they talk to you like you're a child. And it's like, okay, you know what? I understand that a vaccine,

there's not a little man inside the needle. I actually get it better than you do, but okay. But just don't talk to me that way, I don't talk to you that way and we don't agree on this. And it's that kind of condescension that lost them the election, I think. But that kind of, like the combination of a shitty fucking exclusionary

don't come to my Thanksgiving attitude, combined with some really bad ideas, really stupid ideas, that they then think, oh, the world hasn't caught up to our genius about putting penises in women's shelters, or whatever the fuck that's stupid on the left that they're doing. I still think I would never vote for Trump because he doesn't understand about conceding elections.

And that is the most important thing in a democracy, but we don't have to go there, it's Thanksgiving. I mean, that's a whole can of worms in and of itself. I'm glad that you're not canceled. Yeah, for now, like who knows? I don't think, and to be perfectly honest, I will say also, even if- Not even for the vaccine thing?

They didn't like come after you for that? You mean when I posted against Pfizer years ago? Just saying you like Bobby Kennedy. Oh, well listen, when I was first stumping for Bobby before- Oh, you stumped for him? Well, I mean, yeah, I was like going to fund, well, I had signed up to go and be a guest at a fundraiser. then what happened was it was all right around the time of him conceding. So the fundraiser didn't end up happening, but I was kind of a part of what-

But you were attracted to the campaign because primarily the vaccine stuff or the medical in general or the Kennedy name, what was it? I think everything. I think, listen, as with any human being and our choices for candidates for president included, no one is perfect. No one is without fault. No one was without past.

Any of these things, right? So when I look at all that stuff, and that's Kamala, that's Donald Trump, that's Bobby, that's whatever. So to me, that's kind of a cancel. And I'm like, I'm not looking at that. Like, what are you about now? Who are you?

Who have you shown yourself to be? Bobby, to me, is somebody with great depth and integrity. He's somebody who's actually like a human being who cares about human beings. Right in this chair, I said to him, I don't agree with you on everything, but your ability to stick with what you believe despite whatever they throw at you,

including the family, taking a cab on you. 100%. I said, I don't think your father would agree with everything you've ever said, but I can't imagine he wouldn't be so proud of you for that sort of like the spine. And then I gotta say, it kinda came out pretty well for him

because he's got a job now that he's suited for. I mean, this was another thing I said to him when he was sitting here was like, the thing you got to do in your campaign is marry what you have been known for, which is you're an environmental lawyer, an environmentalist. You want to make the world cleaner for us to live in so we don't get sick preemptively. That's what you're known for. Now you've got this controversy about vaccines and so forth. Marry these two ideas.

Like, this is what I've always worked on. I worked on putting sewage in the river, but we're putting sewage in our bodies now. It's kind of the same, it is the same subject. It's all holistic, man. He kind of gets it that, you know, more than just a fringe of a bunch of hippies now in this country understand me not getting poisoned is, it is important and I don't want it to happen to me.

No. And I'd certainly like to stop the stuff that I can't control stopping. I can't seem to be able to control not getting a credit card's worth of plastic in my body on apparently a weekly basis, they tell me. And I don't want that. Huberman actually recently checked that data, and apparently it's not, you're not getting your credit card's worth of plastic,

but we are still getting microplastics constantly. And I mean, that's why I try to drink only water and glass bottles from now. I tried to too, but like I had a company that delivered in glass and they stopped. Yeah, that's no bueno. So. That's no bueno.

I know somebody who says that. Yeah, I know, but there's no other way to get large amounts of glass. Well, I mean, it's like no other way to get large amounts. Well, I mean, it's like this. It's like, what is it, Mountain? What is this, Mountain? Malley? Mountain Valley is a good brand.

I mean, there's still a couple of good brands that still make big, big, big, by the way, you can get this delivered in the large jugs that are glass. And do we even really know if it's that different than what comes out of the top? Yes, 100%. Great, how, why?

Well, because there's a lot of product testing, quality testing, particularly with name brands like these. And you were there? No, I wasn't, but listen. So I'm just saying you're always trusting. No, no, Bill, no, listen. To a degree you're always trusting. We all are.

Exactly. It's who we trust. I mean, I'm just saying, just because they write something on a bottle. No, I'm not saying it's just because it's on a bottle. I'm talking about it's because of the people, literally the people that I follow on Instagram or on X and places that I go to,

people that I think are people of integrity that have actually done research. Like the Michael Schellenbergs of the world. No, you're right, you're right. I try to look at people and I go, okay, these to me are people that are trusted because they give a shit enough to really vet these things. And the Andrew Hubermans, like people like that.

To me, I go, cool. And I would say the problem, going back to what we were talking about before, why are there so many people on the left who are feeling like I've got to cut off my family? And I will say this, it is ridiculous. I think it's ridiculous. I don't think we should ever have gotten to this place.

I think part of the reason why we are so, have so much animosity when it comes to things like religion and politics is because we were told for so long, don't talk about those at the dinner table. When in fact, we should be talking about it and learning how to be more civil in those conversations. But all of the people on the left that might want to cut off their family,

by the way, some people on the right too, might be a guilty of this. It's because of the bullshit that the legacy media has been saying over and over and over and over again, Bill. I mean, when you have almost every network television show, other than Fox News, when all the rest are saying Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, and all of his supporters are Nazis and Madison Square Garden is a Nazi rally and all of these things, of course you're going to spin all of these people watching that into a tizzy of fear.

As long as you acknowledge that Fox News invented spinning people into a tizzy over bullshit. That is not true. Fox News doesn't have a history of bullshit? Of course they do, but they're not the one who started it. Fox News was a response to, because all of the rest of the media was basically more left-leaning, and Fox News was like, okay, there's a... Okay, but they could have been right-leaning

and not also completely journalistically... I agree. That's why I include them in all of that. I think there are some people on each one of these networks that tries to actually step out and be honest. I gotta say, you don't seem like the complete fucking idiot the people on the left said you were. I'm terribly disappointed.

You're a very thoughtful, articulate guy who knows a lot. How could that possibly be a Trump voter? And this is what I keep trying to say to people. No, no, I don't mean that in a bad way. No, no, no. I mean, you have to accept that in people, that you, there are places and people must know this from the relationships they're in.

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That's get super B E E T S dot com code random. You must know that you're with a person as a friend, as a lover, whatever, and 80% of it is you're aligned and then there's 20% where they're like, wow, that person's just nuts on that. But what can you do? And the answer is, accept. Accept that they, you know, I don't get the Trump vote because of what I said, and we could go into it,

but we don't have to because I think those ideas have been retreaded and rehearsed enough. But I just accept. And it's like, you know, sit down with this person, talk to them. First of all, maybe you'll see why. I mean, I certainly get why. I said it again in my last one, the Democrats, they lost a crazy contest to a crazy person. You know, I totally get that. I don't know that that is the case, though. You don't think he's a crazy contest to a crazy person. You know, I totally get that.

I don't know that that is the case, though. You don't think he's a crazy person? I don't. I actually don't. I don't think he's the paragon of morality, but I also don't think that the country... Not talking about morality, that's a different issue. But I would say, though, I mean, listen, certainly there's lots of details that one can add or subtract to this conversation, but

There's certainly, there's lots of details that one can add or subtract to this conversation. But in brass tacks, general terms, the four years of his presidency were significantly better than the four years of the Biden-Harris presidency and vice presidency. Well, there's so much more complicated... I know, that's what I'm saying. I understand it's more complicated. Factors that move into that. Sure. Fine.

And people say, well, it was Obama's economy that he inherited. Okay, but fine. But hold on a second. Save COVID, it was Obama's economy that he inherited. Okay, but fine. But hold on a second. Save COVID, which was not in his power at all. He did not just maintain that economy, he made it even better. Our border was more secure, our economy was more secure, crime rates were down. I mean, this wasn't like a... We weren't doing anything to, because that side does not really believe in the emergency

of environmental catastrophe. So that to me is one of the two deal breakers on the right. They don't really get it about the environment. And the other one is democracy. They don't get that. So those are my two issues that are important to me as a voter So that's and that's as you should be I mean right and you're in your own titles Those are the two big weak points on the right very weak on that I mean Trump's environmental positions of the clean air and clean water right and as long as it's the end of the fucking

Water bottle he's sipping out of that's as far as he looks into it. Okay, I mean, you know, the plastic in the ocean is not getting any better. And that crowd is not, it's not even on their radar. They don't give even give a shit about it. So you know, you're not going to these people who think, well, we're going to get Bill over to our side. Oh, no, no, no, I'm not trying to get you over to any side. I mean, yeah. I just like having the intellectual conversation.

Oh, me too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I love it. But by the way, I would say though, and I think this is something, and I've heard you talk about this a lot on the show, but you are like a lot of folks who were classically liberal

who got left in the left-woke dust. Sure. And you were like, I didn't move, I didn't change. I didn't. The boundaries have't change. I didn't. The boundaries have changed. And I think it's a very accurate representation of not only where you are, but also where lots of other people, Rogan being one of them.

I feel so good about, despite the way they've found ways to punish me, like never even really, I don't even get a nomination. My show isn't really even in that, please. It's embarrassing to them at this point. But that's their way of punishing the unwoke. But like their thing, you know, my thing with them is you do crazy nutty shit and have a shitty fucking attitude.

And I just don't bend the knee like these other people. I will call that out, I will notice it, I will say that I'm a noticer, excuse me. And of course this is anathema to them because when you look at the things that they just allow the angel of death to fly right over, I mean I get it, a lot of times when people say Did these far-woke type say to me and I like how can you even consider talking to a Trump person?

He's a rapist. It's okay. Well, first of all, I don't know if he's a rapist. He's certainly a pig is very vulgar You shouldn't even say you would grab pussies let alone do it I don't know what happened in that dressing room What I do know is Bill Clinton was accused of almost exactly the same kind of things, and you're okay with him. So right away we're starting at you're a giant hypocrite. Yeah, yeah.

There's a lot of that. There's a lot of that. So Trump is who he is on that level. Sure. But on the other level, oh wait, what were we talking about? Well, one, I know, right? It started to kick in.

But I would say this though. That happened about two or four hours ago. Two o'clock. But one of the things I was going to say though was, again, going back to this initial thought of how can someone come to this place of cutting people out of their life, their family, their holidays, all this stuff, right? But I think this is one of the key issues, which is the holidays, all this stuff, right? But I think this is one of the key issues, which is it's this unfortunate level of hubris,

meaning you and I and a lot of other people that felt very passionately about the candidate we wanted to vote for, still at the end of the day are willing to have at least enough humility to recognize I could be wrong. Right. I actually could be wrong. Right. I actually could be wrong. I could be the one in the wrong right now.

I don't think I am. I think I've done all the research. I've done all the things I need to do to make the best educated guess that I can make based on the options that we have, which are limited at best, right? Right. No, you're wrong. Go ahead. It's okay.

But I don't hate you for it. Yeah. And that's the thing. But for somebody to come to the place where they're like, you are evil because of what you did, means they are so convinced of their own self-righteousness because they could not possibly be wrong. And certitude is the hallmark of the person

who's not an intellectual. The first thing a true intellectual knows is doubt. Is that I may not be right, and my intelligence is marked by me being humble about how much I acknowledge that I don't know. And they have none of that. Yeah, there's a great Stoic quote. I'm not even sure if it was like Aristotle

or Plato or something, but. They were not Stoics. Who was that? They were not Stoics. Were they not? No. Aristotle and Plato weren't part of- Stoicism was, I think, a little earlier.

It was Zeno, I think, was the guy who was the Stoic guy. And it was severe asceticism. Yeah. I mean, Plato, I don't think, was a Stoic. Wasn't he fucking little boys? I mean, he was- I don't know. Well, listen, regardless of whether they're little boys. I mean, he was great.

Well, listen, regardless of whether they're stoics or not, the point is there's a great quote that I'm paraphrasing, but essentially it's like, the beginning of intelligence is recognizing that you know nothing or something like that. And we have got to start from that place. And people don't because they are fed the lies. And we gotta have grace with people

because they are also in their hearts. They think they're voting for the right thing. They think they're fighting for the right thing. They've just been deceived. And maybe we have. I think MSNBC is a giant problem at this point, but don't tell me that Tucker Carlson isn't. I don't know that Tucker Carlson is more of a problem. I think Tucker Carlson might be, no, no, seriously,

hear me out, hear me out. Oh, it's okay. Tucker Carlson is at least saying things he actually believes in that I think he's done a lot of research. We actually have proof that that is not the case because you must have seen this story. You seem so well informed.

I'm pretty well informed, but I don't catch everything. You're very well informed. I don't catch everything. Okay, it came out, his text came out in the lawsuit. seems so well informed. I'm pretty well informed, but I don't catch everything. You're very well informed. I don't catch everything. OK. It came out, his text came out in the lawsuit. I mean, Fox News had to pay $780 million. You remember this after the 2020 election? Because they claimed falsely about elections

stealing stuff that Trump had trumped up to get them to say, and Tucker Carlson, we have his private text where he's saying that he absolutely doesn't believe this, and he's savaging Trump. So that's how we know he's full of shit, because we have it, we have the actual text in complete diametrically opposition

to what he was saying on the air about, you know, Dominion voting systems and all this bullshit that they tried to. And again, this is the main difference between the left and the right here. When the left loses an election, yes, they grumble about it and they say things they shouldn't like he's an illegitimate president. They don't actually try to stay in office. Kamala Harris. Hang on a second. Bill, if Hillary Clinton and the Democrats got their way when they were challenging Trump and saying he was an illegitimate president in 2016 and they somehow got that bullshit Steele dossier to somehow, which was by the way all completely nonsense. You watch too much Fox News.

No, I don't watch Fox News at all. This is a- I completely nonsense too much Fox News This is a I legitimately do not watch Fox News Well, you're you're getting a bill did Hillary not did they not all think that he was a Russian asset here And the Russia and the Russia had fixed the election. Okay, was that not what they were? Okay, but I gotta explain to you the difference and then we don't have to talk about this all night Well, I will I. But here's the difference. 2016, Trump pulls an inside straight and wins the electoral college.

Hillary acknowledges this happened, concedes the election before the cock crows the next day. Same as this time, Kamala Harris conceded the election, said, I lost, there's no lawsuits, there's no demanding recounts, there's none of this bullshit, there's I trust the system and I say the other guy won. Now what happened after that? The Russia thing, first of all, that's completely debatable. But if you really think that there's some sort of equivalency here between after the guy who you admit won the election is in office, carping about him saying, oh, the election was unfair because of this or that, that has gone on throughout history.

But nobody has done what he did, which is he still has not conceded the 2020 election, took it to court 63 times, was laughed out of court 63 times, pressured the Justice Department to not, asked his supporters to march on the Capitol. He didn't ask them to do that. Okay, but. And also, he requested the National Guard and it's been confirmed that he was denied by Pelosi. But the point is that by not conceding the election, by never saying from November whatever day that election was, November 5th or something, to January 6th, he had two months to say to his supporters,

yeah, we lost, we'll come back next time. You don't win them all, like every other, every other president and candidate ever did, including when it was possibly not kosher like Nixon in 1960, Al Gore in 2000, but they did it. They came out and said it. After a recount. If you don't get why that's completely different than whatever you're trying to say is an equivalency, then I can't talk more about this. I just have to accept this in you.

But let me just, no, no, let me just, let me clarify though. But it is. I'm actually not, but I'm not trying to excuse all of that. It's as crazy as men can have babies on the other side. But let me clarify though. But I'm not trying to excuse all of that. I'm really not. I'm not saying that- Men can have babies on the other side. That's straight getting into science and biology. No, but it is. No, there's a lot more nuance than that in this.

No, there isn't. Hold on, Bill, hold on a second. There's no nuance in I can see the election. I'm not saying that the way that he took that was the right way to do it. I agree with you. I don't think he should have done it that way. If he actually thought that the election was being stolen,

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So can we get off this? I mean, I- Okay, what else do you wanna talk about? Because it's just frustrating for both of us. Let's talk about something else. What do you wanna talk about? Yeah, let's do that. What do you wanna talk about? What are you talking about?

He's fucking Sativa or Indica? And I ain't mad at you. Oh, buddy. I ain't mad. We good, we good. Don't worry about it. I ain't mad at you. I love this shit.

It just, me too. And you know, but again, I'm the man in the middle. I feel like I'm the perfect one in this country to bring us together, because I never get mad at anybody. The right loves me because I'm able to, when the left needs to have a knife put in their gut, they all say this to me,

nobody does it like you, Bill, because I know them, and also Ikex can do it better. You know, they don't have any like great And also, I can do it better. They don't have any great comedians on the right. It's okay. Oh, I beg to differ on that. Like who? Well, I don't know.

I mean, I think people that appeal more to conservative audiences. Who's a great right-wing comedian? Are you saying that's doing political stuff or that happens? Dennis Miller. Dennis, oh, yeah, well, Dennis Miller's fantastic. I mean, he's a fantastic, I mean, just as a practitioner of this. But I guess what, I wasn't thinking so much

like politically right as much as I think like conservative, like Nate Bargatze to me is a genius. I don't know who that is. Oh my God, he's so good. But he doesn't do a lot of political stuff. He just does, you know, like life comedy. But how do we know he's conservative? I don't know.

I mean, I follow him on socials and I think he's like a Christian dude who lives in Tennessee. Are you a Christian dude? I would call myself Christian adjacent at this point in my life. What does that mean? I grew up in a non-denominational, spirit-filled kind of Christian home, modern church kind of Christian home. You church kind of Christian home. My mom and dad- You went to a church?

Well, so my mom and dad met in church, then they got divorced. We grew up with my mom, me and my sisters. My dad was more the religious liturgic, meaning like would go to church every Sunday and on Wednesdays and taught in- What church? I don't know. We grew up with my mom. My dad lived in North Carolina. Because I grew up in a really severe, ugly, violent, scary denomination called the Catholics.

But at least I knew what church I was going to. I was going to a Catholic church. Right. No, I mean, he was going to a Christian church. There's just like, there's a lot of different denominations. But Christian is not a type of church. It's a category, there's a lot of different denominations. But Christian is not a type of church. It's a category under which, were they Episcopalians? Were they Anglicans? Were they unites? Born again, like, yeah, like born again, spirit-filled, modern Christian,

non-denominational kind of Christian. Snakes? No. No, not that I know, no. You know some of them have snakes. No, I've seen some of that stuff, man. It's crazy. Tongues? Speaking in tongues? Yeah, speaking in tongues.

Your group? Yeah, my mom and dad both did, yeah. They spoke in tongues? Absolutely. You know it's gibberish, right? I don't know. Sometimes I thought it might have been, but also, listen, man. Well, this explains the Trump thing. Listen, I believe in a God that is magnificent and all-powerful and like is the force in Star Wars, like in and through all things.

And if God sees fit to give people the ability to speak in another foreign language out of nowhere, if in fact they're doing that, I believe that's possible. I don't know how many people are doing that, but I believe that's absolutely a thing that God Almighty, Yahweh can do. Well, I don't. Yeah. I know I'm, but you knew that about me.

Yeah. And again. I didn't really know, I didn't know that you'd grown up Catholic. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, my mother was culturally Jewish. I never even knew that till I was 13.

She didn't go to church with us. And I was just so traumatized by the church experience. My father, my sister and I would go to church. My sister and I would go to catechism, where you learn how to be a Catholic. It was also traumatizing to me that I never even thought, why doesn't mom come with us? She just never did and I just accepted it.

And then it came up when I was 13 and Christmas, like, why don't you ever go to church? She was like, I'm Jewish. I'm like, what? And she went, and she said like, well. You're what, I'm what? I'm Jewish? And she said, well, I'm not really Jewish,

but our family was Jewish. That, you know, they. Well, so then you are Jewish. Well, see, I'm not really Jewish, but our family was Jewish. That, you know, they... Well, so then you are Jewish. Well, see, I hate when people say that because a religion is nothing more than an opinion. No, no, but I'm talking about like a bloodline Jewish. If your mother was Jewish, then you're Jewish, according to Jewish bloodline.

Again, Jewish is a religion, which is a thought system. It's not the same thing as I'm Irish. That is an ethnic category. Jewish is not an ethnic category. Israeli then? I mean, I don't know. How would you... Israeli. Hebrew? You're adorable.

No, Hebrew. I don't know. What would you then call a non-practicing, not like, what do you call a person who is Jewish, but is not like a Jew that's practicing the religion? Nothing. I mean... You have to call them something, Bill. No, but again, because we're, and people do this all the time, they mix up a Jew as an ethnic group. It's not an ethnic group, it's a religion, which is something that goes on in your mind. It's both.

Me being, no it's not. There are Jews all over the world. There's no, yes, they originated in- There's Irish all over the world. Just because they go to another country doesn't make them not Irish anymore. No, but if they do your DNA, Irish would be one thing,

but it wouldn't be Jewish, the other thing. Yes, absolutely. No, I don't think it would. I think it'd be like... Bill, 100%. In my head, it was Hungarian. Okay, well then maybe you had some Hungarian Jew in there. No, I know, Hungarian, but again,

I could have been, you know, back when the family was in Hungary, that side of the family, one of them could have like suddenly become an Episcopalian and then I would still be Hungarian blood. Well, I mean, I don't know. I think that's getting in some sense. But anyway, the point is,

My 23andMe told me I was like a percentage Ashkenazi Jew. So clearly they can track down something like that. I don't know. Speaking of 23andMe, are you married? Are you, what's your- No. No, I mean, I've been in a really wonderful relationship with a wonderful girl.

Really? Yeah, yeah. A girl? How old school. I know, right? How old fashioned are they? Yeah, no, my wonderful girlfriend Maggie, who we've been together for about a year now.

Oh, a year. Almost a year. Oh, so it's still good, huh? Yeah, but honestly, I think, I mean, I wanna lock it down. She's wonderful. Lock it down? Oh yeah.

Oh, are we breaking news here? Well, no, I mean, lock it down. She's wonderful. Lock it down. Oh yeah. Oh, are we breaking news here? Well, no, I mean, she knows that. She knows that, but does the world lock it down? It sounds like you're- I think that when you finally get to a place in your own life when you're really ready for it, and I hadn't been, I had not been ready for it. I don't think, and I don't think those things,

these things that we really want in life, like I think that God does as somebody who believes in God, but I believe, or you might say the universe or whatever it is, but I think that there are really awesome visions and desires that God puts on your heart. And I think that those things can be attained, but it requires us doing self-work enough to figure out how to receive that blessing. Because with every blessing comes the weight of the responsibility that comes with the blessing. And so I finally got to a place in my life where I was able to attract someone

who was finally in a place in her life to attract me. And when that timing happens and you can feel it, then it's like, yeah, let's go do this. Jesus, chicks must love this speech. No, seriously, can you like transcribe that for me and email it to me? Oh my God. Because I am telling you, this is fucking gold. This will wet in panties from here to Kuala Lumpur.

That's a fun poll, Kuala Lumpur. That's probably one you use a lot, right? Timbuktu. I always love the sound of that city. It just, it's very, I wouldn't, I'm not gonna... Almost sounds like a small furry animal that's running around Madagascar. Have you seen the Kuala Lumpur? They're ornery little fuckers.

They'll steal your candy bars out of your hands. See, you're so sophisticated, even though Kuala Lumpur. Where is Kuala Lumpur? Malaysia, isn't it? Correct. Yeah, yeah. Trust me, the hawk to a girl would not have known that. Bro, that's so, like nothing against her as a human.

I, she's a child of God and I wish her nothing. Seriously, but I, I despise what all of that represents. I, I. All of what? Just. Spitting on dick? No, rock and roll. Take care of your man, whatever.

Like do your, do your thing. Like that's fine. What I'm saying is these drunken interviews that are this, you know, they're all over the internet, just dudes going and just interviewing people, right? Which is where she started. By doing this viral internet thing that then everyone ran with as a joke

for the most part, right? But then that somehow creates a currency that makes that person famous, even though it was a fucking meme. And now that person, again, God bless her, but now she's doing a fucking podcast. I suggested that. I'm the one who suggested that.

Get out of here. No, no. Get out of here. When she was sitting there, I was trying to help her. What? No, we- So now I know who to blame. And I said, you know, I was trying to mentor her to what's the next step. You were feeding it, Bill. I was.

By having her on the show, you were feeding into that. So what? And what's the harm to society? I don't understand where- What is the harm to society? I don't understand where the harm is. I mean, here's- The more we have content, listen, we're already inundated with way too much fucking content, right, there's way too much.

Our eyes are on a screen every damn second of every- Not mine. Okay, maybe not yours. Not your choice. Maybe not yours. Okay, but we also know that these things are built to addict people. Yes, they are.

And for younger people especially, which are who are falling most prey to this stuff, if we are filling our phones with nothing but shit like hoctua stuff, that is not helping enrich the brains that are addicted to the phone. But I can't blame her for that. No, no, because I'm saying I'm not blaming her for that. I'm blaming everyone else who wanted to indulge in it and then whoever was like, you should do a podcast.

And then the people that make that podcast. But she, you know. Cut to me doing, talk to. So anyway, I was telling Bill, I can't believe I'm here right now. So, and that's very close to the truth. I'm funny. But what I had here was a young lady who, you know,

look, we're not gonna go into why, But what I had here was a young lady who, you know, look, we're not gonna go into why, but I've certainly talked to many girls in her age group. And, you know, it is sad, they know nothing. I mean, it's not their fault. They went to school in America where they will let you out of school, I've said this a million times, without knowing anything. And that is a fucking scandal.

And it is mostly the Democratic Party, I will admit, that has to answer for that because their portfolio is education. They demanded it, they got it, they're the teachers union, blah, blah, blah. We don't have to get into that. But when the Hawk Tool Girl was here, I said, you know, I want to, I can help this person a lot

by giving them advice. And my advice was one, recognize just out of the blue, you have been given a chip. Like if in life you were given chips and they were of different, you would be given like a super platinum chip called Fame. You can do something with this chip. Most people don't have it. You can trade it in for something, but I said you should A, start using your real name.

You don't want to be the Hawk 2-er girl forever. I now rescind that because I think Hawk 2 is a great fucking name. You're not going to get rid of it anyway. And it's just a cool, it's Hawk2, it's just good. Keep it. But the other thing I told her was you should start trade on this thing that you're famous for a little bit. Trade the chip in for, okay, now I'm gonna do a podcast

where I do relationship advice for people my age because I'm known for spitting on dicks, so why wouldn't I know about relationship advice? That's basically Gen Z's Dr. Ruth. Right, and now she's doing it. She said at the time no, because she's such an innocent. She was working at the, I don't know, the canning plant, the pickle factory,

someplace that was very humble, and she kind of liked it. And she sounded like she actually wouldn't mind if she went back to that. I was like, if you do, great. But you have been given this chip very few people get, and you could translate it into something. So I'm glad to see that she took my advice. I think that,

I think that it is not, it is not wrong of you in your position to want to help, certainly. And also to recognize that yes, that is a very good metaphor for like, hey, you've been given this chip and there's some value here. There is great value. And also I think it's imperative

that anyone who has given these chips for fame and for power recognize that they have a responsibility to use it in, I believe, ways. Is it a sativa or innika? Sativa. All right. To use it in ways that are more responsible, that are more conscious, that are more intentional. Now, is it- He's not the one for that.

Okay, but then help her then with that. I can't. I trust me. Well then point her to somebody who can. I'm just saying, like, I don't think it's good for us to just let people, like, here you go, kid. I'll lay him off to the slaughter. She really doesn't know anything.

I mean, she's a sweet kid, but trust me. I mean, I'm talking like, and she's not alone. This is the thing, all these kids, they don't, I mean, ask them, what came first? The Renaissance or the Middle Ages? They're like, what? They don't even understand the question. It's insane.

There's like, there's like man on the street interviews that like Kim will do and stuff like some, when they enter down by a Hollywood Highland and they ask people like, how many states, yeah, the yellow Leno used to do, how many states are in the United States. Oh, I've heard worse. I'm like what? What is happening?

Like what's the biggest continent in the world? Paris? I mean, I've heard the, I mean, things that you think it's a gag. Yeah, you think it's a gag. That people can be this benighted. Again, that's an indictment of our education system. It is. It is totally. It's insane how bad it's gotten. I mean, that's why, look, I know the woke people are, again, hate me because I'm not

upset as they are about what happened. I didn't vote for him. But you know what? I'm not going to pre-hate anything. Let's see. They've got, they're the disruptors. Great. Look, I said on my show Friday night,

I said, Elon, he's a brilliant guy. I'm glad he's in there. And he believes in the environmental issue. He does. Okay, so that's good. And I said, but we'll see. Let's see what happens when they start cutting, which they wanna do.

I said, it's not like we don't need this. This country is bloated. It's fucking constipated. It needs a fucking colonic. Okay, I wouldn't have chosen him to do it, but let's see. And I said, literally, he said, my exact words were, let's see what happens when they start cutting. Let's see what the corn lobby and the pharmaceutical industry and the defense contractors.

Three days later, I'm reading the paper and Elon is going after the F-35. This is exactly what I- The jet? Yes, which is exactly what I would go after, job one, the most ridiculous spending program forever. So like right there- Hypersonic missiles are gonna make those obsolete

I said let's see if you really do this and he did it he was good because that's that's really where they're most sensitive is defense contractors and going after that. Oh man and the bloated like charging fifty thousand dollars for a couple of lug nuts like whatever these insane stories are. But listen I I I'm a I'm very bullish on Elon. This big fan, I think all the things that, you know, he's a different kind of like alien-ish, spectrum-y kind of fellow, but I am as well in many ways. So like, I relate to him, I get it.

Is that right? Oh yeah, yeah. You think you're on the spectrum? Well, I mean, I say that in like, not technical term, but like in the sense of like, I've had like pretty hardcore ADHD most all of my life. Like my mom, they kept telling my mom to put me on Ritalin back in the day. And I'm really grateful that she didn't because I don't think that you should be putting kids

on any of that stuff. You need to let them develop. I have since as an adult had Adderall prescriptions or Welbutrin prescriptions because my dopamine levels are pretty jacked up in my body. It's a long, long story. You seem so together. You seem, you're right there. You look me in the eye. You track the conversation exactly. I see none of this. Well, because I'm on Wellbutrin, literally. And that's been a real game changer for me. Wow. But it's also something I don't want to be on for the rest of my life. I can't believe people who have for the rest of my life.

I can't believe people who have to take drugs to feel good. Well, I'll tell you what though, cannabis has been like being able to have really measured doses of like little gummy edibles. I'm good, thank you. Of little gummy edibles, like little five milligram doses. Like that's my vibe. I don't really smoke much anymore at all.

But just even that is something that directly benefits having kind of an ADHD type of- Do you do other drugs back in the day? Oh, I've done all of them basically. I mean, not all of them, but I mean, yeah, I've done LSD and psilocybin and cocaine and ketamine and marijuana. Did you ever have a bad time with any of them or like... Oh yeah.

Like which one? Oh absolutely. Well I mean I think that like, you know, fortunately one of the ones that I've done the least amount of is cocaine and it's that, that is... It's the worst. Well it sucks your soul away. I mean it's why you gotta, it's so, it's like that thing that it's like, it's like, yeah, just a little, like, let's go have fun, that thing. And then, but you just, you literally, it really is a soul sucking thing. And that's why, you know,

so I try not to be partaking in that. I think that things like, I'm very bullish having done a lot of discovering and stuff as I was younger, right? I'm in a place in my life now where I don't see that stuff or try not to see it as more than something that can absolutely be medicinal and beneficial in one's life if you respect it, if you are not treating it as this recreational thing to go get lost in.

But as a child, particularly one that was coming from a lot of like crazy emotional, abusive type of home type stuff and finding myself and not loving myself, I mean, all that stuff saved my life in a lot of ways. And I also learned, I think some really, oh man, some of the most connected moments I've ever had with God was when I might've been

on a soul search with some psilocybin or something like that. I've done ayahuasca before and I felt God definitely talked to me through that experience. So I think that there's really- What'd he say? Well, I mean, in a couple of different ways. One was that-

Did he mention me? No. Yeah, but you don't want to hear what he said. I really don't. Yeah, no. He says he's not a Jew. What? No, like I felt like there was a couple of things.

One of the things that I felt was like God's love. I felt so much of God's love. Like I was being held almost like maternally being held by God. So God's gay? No. I think that God is kind of omnipresent in all of that stuff.

I don't know that God has a gender. I know biblically, he's always referred to as a he. And I think that that's an aspect of His fatherhood and that energy of God. But even like when Moses came down from the mountain, he was covered in the Shekinah glory, the Shekinah glory, which is described as the female energy or spirit of God.

So I think that it's, yeah, yeah. And I see God as much more of the I am that I am, like again, like the great Almighty God all-encompassing of all things. I see him as Will.i.am. It was Will.i.am and the burning bush. But I mean, this almost sounds like deism, which is what the founding fathers were. They were deists. Some were deists. A lot of them were Christian deists. Yeah, true. But they certainly weren't what the conservatives pretend, that this was a

Christian nation. I mean, they were obviously, we know this from what they put in the Constitution for the separation of church and state. Well, that was to protect the churches, not the state. No, I think it was for both. I think they did not want to, they were truly revolutionaries and they were founding a country based not on what countries have always been founded on before,

which is usually territory or ethnicity, but on an idea or a set of ideas. And one of those ideas- Constitutional Republic. Yeah, I mean, they came here to this country, let's not forget, escaping religious dogma on an idea or a set of ideas. And one of those ideas- Constitutional Republic. Yeah. I mean, they came here to this country, let's not forget, escaping religious dogmatism. So they did not want to repeat the mistakes, religious dogmatism and monarchy, that they

had fled. Right? Yeah. And no taxation without representation. And that too. And yeah, no, I love America. Me too, man. Yeah.

Me too. That's another issue I have with the left is like, and I've chided them about it all the time, like, you know what would help you maybe win elections? Trying to look like you like the country you're running in. I mean, Trump, of course, has to go too far and fuck the flag. But you know, it's better than the opposite. It's better than these, these ahistorical America hating hysterics that we're raising, especially at colleges.

Yeah, it's really scary, man. Where they think Hamas are the liberators. Yeah, it's scary, man. I mean, you know, again, when they come after me for like changing, like, I haven't changed you assholes. You're rooting for terrorists now. Okay, that's all I would, I wouldn't even have to go, and I could go on for hours on that subject,

but I wouldn't have to say anything more than that. You are rooting for terrorists, not all of them, but they're certainly not denouncing the people enough who are rooting for the terrorists. No, they're not, and again, this is not in any way to excuse their behavior because everyone is still responsible for their behavior, even if it's a behavior that came out of, let's say, being lied to. I just want us to never forget, it's important, I think imperative

to always remember, it's easy for us to get angry with the foot soldiers that are out there doing all this crazy, stupid shit, like these college kids on campuses that are literally terrorizing Jewish students on campuses. If you want to go protest, do a proper protest and understand that that is you doing what you're doing and not going and harassing other people because of where they're going. That's part of free speech. I can't say you can't go and do your protest, but that should never be infringing on the rights of anybody else. But again, these are the foot soldiers that have been programmed by this nonsense from above that is telling them through their very institutions and universities. Like there's been an incredible,

I mean, I'm sure you've seen these graphs. Like in fact, I think I might've even seen you put it up on your show once, but there's all these graphs of positions of different fields of expertise and roles and jobs and stuff like that. And specifically departments in a university. And the amount of professors that are liberal leaning, some of them are like 100%. There's not even a conservative leaning professor in that entire department.

Same, I mean, I've talked about this, yes, you're right, before, not just in universities, NPR, somebody prominent left last year, and 87 of 87 positions, the top echelon positions at NPR, were liberal, vote democratic. Twitter, before Elon took over and completely reversed it, was that way. Even if you're a liberal and a Democrat,

you shouldn't think this is good. You need a balance, just like we need Yang and Yang and male and female, plus of course, trans and gay and bisexual and all the other AGPTQ. We need everything is what I'm trying to say. like sexual and all the other AGP TQ. We need everything is what I'm trying to say. Something there in the alphabet. You know, you need, and we just have lost that idea. Everybody, and you're right about social media

because one thing you see on social media a lot is, you know, there'll be some exchange and on the left one it'll be like, I own this person. And then the right, it'll be they owned me or vice versa. But we just can't have a discussion. Somebody has to always own. They'll do it to us on this. They'll show clips and there's like,

Zach owns Bill Clinton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I did, but. Cut that bit. And, you know, I don't even want to own you. No, exactly, but this is the point. If you're really trying to get to why science should be welcoming questions, why any of these ideas should be welcoming questions, that's because you should not be afraid to

want to discuss the conversation because you're interested and I'm interested in hopefully getting to a truth. And if all parties are actually interested in that and not afraid that it might not sit well with the narrative that they think they're supposed to believe in, but rather like, hey, let's put all that aside

and let's just try to get here. This type of a conversation, we're not trying to own each other. We're trying to own the truth. We're trying to get to whatever this is if we can get there, other than just having a get here. This type of a conversation, we're not trying to own each other, we're trying to own the truth. We're trying to get to whatever this is, if we can get there, other than just having a good conversation. And acknowledging that that 10 or 20%

that we probably will never agree on is okay just to leave there. Yes, we can still have Turkey together. Absolutely. You can have Turkey without calling each other a Turkey. I feel like it's the way I look at it. But again, that requires people, I think, just having, again, just a smidge enough of humility.

Just a smidge enough of humility to just say, I could be wrong. I so agree. I could be wrong. Guys, we could all be wrong. I could be wrong. He could be wrong. We could be wrong. I could be wrong. I so agree. I could be wrong. Guys, we could all be wrong. I could be wrong, he could be wrong, we could be wrong, you could be wrong. The sooner we can all just at least get to there, the sooner we can start laying down our swords.

Since you believe in God, you know what would be great if he would do? What? If he would just come down instead of just like speaking through whatever clouds or the French toast or like the, I don't know, all these things he speaks to us to, he seems capable, you know, being all powerful

of just talking. And he would just, could straighten it all out. He comes down and he go, Bill, Zach was right about Trump and the, and I'd be like, whoa, okay, all right, I did not see that. And I, but now that it's you, God, saying it, I mean, he could solve so much and, and,

and stop so much hate and violence and death. Okay. But also rob us of the opportunity to actually, seriously, for every single time two people can actually come together. What a beautiful thing that is. How that's a literally an energetic vibrational shift in both of who you are. Right.

And also the example that is to other people and be like, oh shit, those people took the time, had enough humility and respect for each other to say, I think you're totally wrong, but let's do this. Let's figure it out. If God came down and just solved it all for us all the time, we would not actually get, I think, part of what the most beautiful part of life is, which is the experience of it, which comes with the hardship in order to feel the levity and the darkness and the light and all of those things that have to balance each other. You know, you should do a movie. What?

Why is that funny? Because I don't know if you're about to tell a joke or if you're being earnest. One thing I really do well here, I think, as the hawk to a girl will tell you, is give people advice. I mean, I've been in show business a long time. Bring it, though. I am going to. You should do a movie where you and Jon Hamm play brothers.

You look like him. You sound like him. Really? Yes. Yes. Well, I take all that as high compliment. Really? Yes. Oh. Yes. Well, I take all that as high compliment. I think he's a wonderful actor. Nobody ever told you that? That you look like him?

No. Oh. No. Most of my career, it's being confused with John Krasinski, more than anything else. Oh, yeah. I see that, too. Yeah.

Right. Well, he did well. Sometimes I get Fallon. I don't know. But I think that we're all kind of in a, we're like in a spectrum of like ND, like nondescript white guy. Like we're all just kind of in that. So, you know, we're all on NBC all around the same time. So I think people just like confuse the promos and they're like, oh yeah, that guy. That's ridiculous. We're not nondescript. I mean, you know, people-

You're not in that group, bro. You're in a different spectrum. Well, I would hope they would look at the both of us and people would go, jeez, I can't tell that. That would be a one, God, if you want to do me a favor now that I'm talking to one of your big fans. Big fan. So I assume your girl is religious too, because it's very hard to like have a relationship

where one of them is and one of them isn't. Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know that I would consider her religious, I don't consider myself religious, but I consider us both to be very deeply spiritual. Okay, I mean, you know, these words. No, but words matter. No, you're right, there's a difference. Words matter, words matter.

You're right, right. And I'm not even trying to split hairs on it, I'm just wanting to be more specific about it. You believe in God, not everybody who says they work for him. Sure. Wait, what? You believe in God, not everybody who says

they work for him. No, no, no. But I think that it's important. Well, sure. I mean, yeah, on some level. I think that religion is more kind of found in the ritual. Like that's like, you know, in Catholicism and going to mass. Like I went to mass a lot with my grandma back in the day.

Oh yeah, yeah, my grandma was Catholic. My mom grew up Catholic and then rebelled and became a born-again Christian. But my grandma- It's hardly a rebellion. Well, from the constrictions and rules and regulations and shame of Catholicism, that's your rebellion against that. Okay, a real rebellion would be she became an atheist.

I'm not mad at her because she didn't. I'm just saying to go from Catholic to Christian is like, okay, you skipped some of the bullshit of the Catholic Church. Good for you. That is smart because there's a lot of bullshit there smart. Cause there's a lot of bullshit there. Well, there's a lot of bullshit everywhere. Well, I was just watching this movie. Oh fuck.

Don't worry, nobody saw that. I don't care if they did. This place is a place to drink and smoke pot. And I'm going to drink it like a fucking. Sip it, yeah. Get right off the lip there. Yeah. That's a first.

First time on Club Random, I bet right there. That is, absolutely. Sip it a little bit more. Come on, give the people what they want. But I was watching this movie, Conclave. It's really good. Started it last night. It's about, it's with Ralph Fiennes,

and who else is in that? Stanley Tucci. It's about Pope, you know, the Pope dies, Conclave, and then they have the college, the colleges. Just the intrigue that goes on behind the scenes. Yeah. It's a... Great cast.

Great cast, John Lithgow. Oh, I love John Lithgow. Yeah. He's so good. He's super woke. You probably wouldn't want to talk politics with him. Okay, but I don't care. Exactly, we don't care, it's Thanksgiving.

Well no, even outside of Thanksgiving, I still... Exactly. Yeah. No, no. I don't, cause I don't care, it's Thanksgiving. Well no, even outside of Thanksgiving. I still. Exactly. Yeah. No, no. Because I don't, again, knowing that I could be wrong, I'm never looking at them and anybody on the other side of the spectrum of me is choosing, I'm going, okay, they're going in their heart

and their mind, you know. I'm just telling you, bro, I don't know what happened in the past and I wish you the best in the future, I like you, but this town bro, I don't know what happened in the past, and I wish you the best in the future. I like you. But this town is, I mean, they're mean to me, and I'm a way to the left of you. I'm immune to them. That's true, I am mean to them.

I'm not trying to be mean to them. You're right. I'm just trying to love everybody. You're right, that's true. But if you think you're just gonna skate through this town with those political credentials, I'm not trying to be mean to them. You're right. I'm just trying to love everybody. You're right. That's true. But if you think you're just going to skate through this town with those political credentials, I'm telling you you're not. You're not.

Hold on. I don't. I'm not expecting to. I don't know what's going to happen, but I will say this. You've got integrity. You're going to say what you're going to say, even if it costs you jobs. And it will. Yeah, maybe.

I don't know. There'll be other jobs. There'll be different things. That's great. Right. There's that Christian series you could do. There's that thing about, no, no, no, about the rapture and...

Oh, Left Behind with Kirk Cameron? Kirk Cameron, yes. Let's not make it those a long Behind. With Kirk Cameron? Kirk Cameron, yes. I stopped making those a long time ago. They did? They did, yeah. But like, Kirk Cameron, perfect example, or like Kevin Sorbo. You know, these guys are never going to get on any casting director's list. Maybe not, but I don't...

Listen, we're all very different people and where we're at in our careers and all those various things. And again, I have nothing but love for those guys and they're still working and doing what they're doing. I'm going to speak about this and I'm going to speak in Italian. No, that's the Godfather. No, I'm going to speak about this and I'm going to try to be vague because I'm not so sure exactly how much I should be saying in public, but I happen to know a few things about the Trump movie that came out.

Oh yeah. Was Sebastian Stan? Sebastian Stan and Jeremy Strong, late of succession. Two brilliant actors. I was so impressed with both of them. I mean, they both should be nominated for best actor. And that movie is a great movie. But because it's about Trump, and the, wow, it's a big pour for a Christian. You know. Christian adjacent.

Even the Cardinals are allowed to drink. It's in big pour for a Christian. You know. Christian adjacent. Even the cardinals are allowed to drink. It's in the movie. Like there's no rules against how much you can drink as a cardinal. No, you just can't have sex. Yeah, well, they certainly lax on that rule. But this movie is because it's about Trump and because it's a brilliant movie,

but you have to accept it as art. The first half, the people who hate Trump hate it because he's a human. He works for his shit father. He's got a shit father, which is only the subject of a trillion movies where you do feel bad for the character. And, you know, at the beginning,

like he's going around and collecting rents, which he did, and people sometimes, when you go around to collect rent, don't like it. He opens one door and a guy throws boiling hot water at him. I mean, that shit happens. Okay, he's not a monster. That's when good art is. It shows the arc, how he becomes.

Then he meets Roy Cohn, that's the movie, The Apprentice. And he's learned, you know, learns from Roy Cohn how to be a ruthless bastard and, you know, all that. And then the second half of the movie, I mean, yeah, if you're a liberal, then you'll love that because he's an asshole and does this and does bad things. And we see the Trump we know as a political figure emerging. But it's just too much for these people to even suffer through half of a movie

where he's a human being. So we also have to punish the actors and we have to punish the movie. And I'm telling you, that is a terrific movie. Yeah, I've heard nothing but great things. I haven't seen it yet. You've got to see it. I really want to. They finally let it be seen here, but of course, nobody went to see it because, again,

you would not like half of it. And of course, everybody has to be completely confirmed in their ideas. Yeah. I mean, I think that they're, fortunately or unfortunately, I actually think there's probably a lot of people out there that would enjoy all of it, but they don't, it's just the people, again, if you're more moderate, if you're more in the middle, you recognize that everyone is a human being.

And this is something that is lost because people, and I, what helps me is that I look at everyone as a child of God. I look at everyone through the lens of, at some point you were five years old and you had every possibility in the world and then you were programmed and conditioned through your upbringing, through your family.

Even before five, really. Well, even before five, but I'm just saying like still, again, I'm using a round term, whatever, round number, but the idea is that we were all children with all these different possibilities and then- But that programming might already be in by five. Listen, some of it's just genetic. There's programming in us that they have actually shown to be straight up literally hereditary

that's built into you. We use the term anal when someone is like super neat. Sure. Well, the way you make, obviously you use it for something else like, honey, I'm feeling anal tonight. No, your, I'm feeling anal tonight. No, your ass I meant. But anal refers to the anal stage,

which is zero to two when you are shitting your pants. And how you are treated. I mean, this is from Eric. This is from Erickson, the great father of psychology, one of the great ones, I think mostly. And Jung. Jung is the goat. And Freud. But like how you were, whatever was going on in your just

beginning mind at that time really affected you later in life. So when we talk about someone who's very anal as an adult, they're very neat. And the theory is this has to do with how they were treated or how they responded to having shit in their drawers when they were six months old. And I can't believe my mother left me with shit

in my drawers, but to this day, I'm very anal and I don't like shit. Like, and I would never fuck anybody in the ass. Wow. Wow, that's like a turn. No, it's not a turn. It's part of the subject. I'm just saying.

No, no, no. I understand what you're saying. I think- The shit on the end of my dick is just not in the- Yeah. Different strokes for different folks, man. I don't know. Well- I can only imagine though that porn has done a number on pushing this envelope farther just not in the... Yeah, different strokes for different folks, man. I don't know.

I can only imagine though that porn has done a number on pushing this envelope farther and farther and farther. I mean, you know, once porn became ubiquitous and free all over the internet, then you have kids that are jumping onto porn at very young ages. And by the time they're even in middle school, they're already like pushing the envelope

of what a normal adult sex life would be, that kind of stuff. So it's like, it definitely, it's got to be some part of how these things have. I mean, look, I've been a libertine my whole life, but I'd be the first to say porn is not benign. No. Not where it's gone. No way, man.

It's so funny because like our avatars out there in the world have to be so politically correct about everything. And yet, what they're really doing, what people are really doing on the internet between porn and OnlyFans, it's just a nation full of fucking freaks and perverts. Bro, but check this out.

AI is about to start. Right now, young lonely boys particularly are spending their life savings on not talking, talking to a girl on OnlyFans and having her do whatever her show is. Which is already so sad. It's sad for both parties because these girls are being told, I'm being empowered and there's nothing wrong with sex work and yada, yada, yada. And they might feel that momentary or whatever seasonal empowerment

and make a lot of money doing it. But there's an exchange of your soul in that. There's like, that's not a good exchange of what you're giving up in your soul, I believe. And what's about to happen is that all of those girls are gonna get replaced by dudes who are AI-ing virtual girls that look just like real girls that will do literally anything that these guys want her to do. And they'll just be chilling out all of their money for these AI OnlyFans girls and AI pornography.

I mean, I've been banging this AI drum for a minute because I really do believe that most people are sleeping on it far too much. I agree. Totally. You know who was the one who was out front on this? It was Elon. Oh, yeah. He was one of the OGs.

But again, it was a part of the- It was the first I've ever heard that theory is from Elon. He said, we have to be wary of AI. And he said this like 10, 12 years ago. And other people argued. And now we all know. He was one of about seven of the top 10 experts on AI, and he was definitely one of them,

is still one of them, I would wager. He was one of the 10 that they basically asked Wintu and said, and seven of 10 said, we need to pause AI. This was years ago, and they said said we need to pause it now. We cannot afford to let it go any farther because we're getting to the point of no return where it will just catch fire and go. And we're basically all running

toward mutually assured destruction because everyone's trying to be the first to get to AGI, make all the money, do all the thing, rule the fucking world. By the way, and ultimately whoever controls that will be controlling the world with that, which is the thing we gotta work about the most. It's not even that it's going to be sentient and turn into Terminator,

although there is the possibility of that goes crazy. But more than likely, and actually not even more than likely, what will absolutely happen, even if that doesn't, is that it will start to displace entire industries worth of workforces. It will be doing things like creating AI sex bots and all of that stuff.

How soon? Have you ever been on Only Friends? No. I wouldn't even know how. No, it's again, it's one of those things where I just kind of, I just, I feel it, it just like, I feel bad. I feel bad that this is where we've gotten to as a society.

I know a guy who's so hooked on it that when he's with a real woman, he can't come unless there's a sound of a baby crying in the next room. That's a weird jink. I'm just saying that I think a lot of the girls have a baby. Oh, copy that.

Copy that. And a lot of the women, they think it's gonna be lucrative and it's only lucrative for a very, very few. It's almost like real show business. Well, yeah, but also not just real show business, but they have a new, like every girl, the competition, no doubt, like the amount of other girls

that are all getting the same idea, they're all gonna go be, until you have an OnlyFans account, like clearly that stuff's only gotta work for a little. You know what a lot of them are? Feet. Oh yeah, there's a whole website dedicated to that. You get that?

No, I don't get it. I'm just saying that's a thing that exists. No, I know, but I'm saying like, next to being in the ass would be the feet. I find the feet not erotic at all. What? But so many people, so many. Listen, I don't get it.

It's not that I don't appreciate a good foot, and like my girlfriend, she's got beautiful feet, but that's not something I look at in an erotic type of way. I've never understood that. I don't get it. It's not that I don't appreciate a good foot and I like my girlfriend She's got beautiful feet, but I that's not something I look at in an erotic type of way. I've never Yeah, I know. I mean the top of the foot obviously the ankle Okay, but then you're just toes fuck no and and certainly the bottom of the foot that walks on the world every day Yeah, you can wash those things you can why I but still, it's just not attractive for obvious- Have you ever given a girlfriend like a foot rub or anything?

Fuck no. A foot rub? Jesus, I've never been- Bro, you are missing out. A foot rub? Yes! Why, is this a magical passkey to the pussy that I've been missing? No, no, no, no, no.

Because if all you're doing is having sexual intimacy and you're not just having intimacy that doesn't require anything sexual, but rather is connectivity, it's touch, it's- There's a billion other ways to do that besides rubbing their feet. But I'm telling you, your feet are incredible in that they have all these meridians

and all of these pressure points and all of these things that we walk around on all the time and get fucked up. And if you actually have somebody go and be like, yo, and it's a really active service between two people that are in partnership, I think, and to be like, yo, can I do this for you? And give them that massage.

I think that there's something incredibly powerful about that. I mean, I can't say that I haven't had it done to me. And when I did, it was like, oh, that's cool. But it didn't change my world. It didn't change, you know, I didn't. I wasn't. One instance of it isn't gonna change your world.

Yeah. So you're saying like an ongoing flip rub is like. I'm just saying, like if you're in a relationship, I mean, you know, that's, I don't think that you should be squeamish because they're feet. I understand that you have an anal type of personality that doesn't like anything, like the things you were talking about,

but I think that when it comes to your feet and your partner's feet, they're very easily cleaned. And you can- There's so many other better ways that I'm already good at. All right, all right. I really don't feel like I need to. There's certain things.

Take it for what it's worth. Like people have bucket lists. There's also the list of things that I never did and never wanna do. That's right. And like skiing is on the. Oh man, skiing's fantastic. Okay, great.

Snowboarding in particular. Yeah, you do you. Right. But like again, I don't wanna ski, and I don't wanna rub feet. What do you do? What are your hobbies? Other than constantly making television shows, but like, stand-up comedy is your job hobby.

I don't know, I mean, that's still worth it. I've had three jobs the last few years because of this, not that this is really a job, this is such a joy to meet somebody like you, you, actually you, and get high and talk to them. I can't tell you what a pleasure this is in my life, but I only do this, the only time I spend on this job is right here.

After this, I'm out. Yeah, yeah, well you got a wonderful team that helps put it all together. Yeah, I got a wonderful team and this is all right here. After this, I'm out. Yeah, yeah. Well, you got a wonderful team that helps you put it all together. Yeah, I got a wonderful team, and this is all I want to do. It's the opposite of my show, which I work on all week. That takes a lot of time. And then stand up, of course, here on the road. I haven't been on the road that much,

but every couple of weeks I go out for the weekend. I mean, it's a... So what's your hobby? That is my hobby. I don't really want hobbies. I play basketball. I have a court here. Nice.

That's my thing. How often do you play basketball? Well, I mean, like a game, not that often. But I go out and shoot myself. But I have people come over and we shoot sometimes. You've been playing ball your whole life? Oh, I love basketball because it's not like you need a field. You don't need 11 people on both sides. You can just end. Again, if there's no game. You can practice by yourself all the time. It's not like, you know, you need a field. Like, you don't need 11 people on both sides.

You can just end, again, if there's no... You can practice by yourself all the time. It's just, you know, it's just the endless... One piece of equipment. People like likes on their phone. To me, when the ball goes through the hoop, like, I get a like. Well, listen, it's the same thing. It's a dopamine hit. It's a dopamine hit.

That's what you get. And it never stops. Well, as long as you're making the shots. No, I'm saying, but like every time it goes in, you know. Yeah, absolutely. It's almost like sex. And that's one of the few things that never disappoints. Sure.

Wait, so where did you grow up again? New Jersey. In Jersey, so who is your NBA team? Knicks, still is. Okay. And they're finally good again. They haven't won since I was in high school. What's their record?

And I never left them. But now the Knicks are good. They are really good. What's their record right now? They're 11 and 7. But you know, they have a new guy. They have Carl Anthony Towns. Now they're integrating a new whole scheme.

They lost two key players, got this one superstar. It's happening. They beat them Nuggets the other night. Beat them Nuggets? Yeah, they beat the Nuggets and Jokic. I mean, I just saw, I was just. I mean, that's a big, that's a big beat. I was at the Laker game the other night

and the Nuggets killed the Lakers. And then like the next night, the Knicks killed the Nuggets. So I'm good with the Knicks. That feels good. It feels good to have stuck with them and never wavered all these years. You and Spike Lee. Oh, so you can only have done that with women. But it sounds like you are about to make a big change in your life.

Is that because you want children? Oh yeah. Oh you do? Always did. Always wanted. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Ever since I was a Always did, always wanted, yeah. Really? Yeah, ever since I was a kid I wanted to be a dad. It's like something that's been in my DNA my whole life. Well that's another thing you should play.

You should play the hot dad in the movie, especially where there's like a, I love movies where there's like, it's like just the typical life that we all live, the contemporary life, but there's some sort of evil looking, like the babysitter who's got ideas on the father or one of those, the stepfather, remember that series?

That was so good. No, what? You never saw the stepfather? No. Well, they made it twice. They remade it. Do you ever see the crush back in the day with Carrie Elwes and Alicia Silverstone? That was like the happy couple, but then Alicia Silverstone, the sitter got the crush.

The swimmer or something. It's like that person in the house who's really the bad guy. It's a delicious kind of... Well I did a movie a few years ago that's actually just coming out in February. Thank God. It kind of got shelved for a little while because of COVID. COVID because your position on COVID or actual COVID? No, because we shot the movie during COVID,

but early on in COVID, in November of 2020. And then it was supposed to come out like a year and a half later, but because theaters, like people still hadn't really come back to theaters a lot, and it's kind of a smaller family movie where I play a dad and all of this stuff. It's called The Unbreakable Boy. It's a really beautiful movie. It's not the thriller with the stepfather or the sitter with the crush.

It's a drama. Yeah, it's like a dramedy. Yeah, it's a true story about this young, this couple. They started dating, like on their third date, they got pregnant and they were like, what do you wanna do? And they're like, well, let's do this. Let's have this baby and let's see what we figure out.

And they didn't get married right away. They just stayed as a couple and they had this child. And early on, the kid was crying a lot always and they were like, what is going on? And then two years old or whatever, they're running around and they break their leg and they're like, what's going on? So they go get the kid tested and he has osteogenesis imperfecta, which is brittle bones disease. And he inherited part of this from his mother.

So then we're like, okay, and it's a true story, this real couple. And then they have a second son and now they're, and that kid, no brittle bones, he's cool. And then they get a little older and their oldest son starts behaving in ways that are not normal, that are atypical, and they go and have him tested and he ends up having autism. And so it's a story about this couple

who are still trying to figure out if they're even gonna work and their own kind of demons and things they're struggling with. While they're trying to raise these two kids, the oldest of which, who's really the star of the movie, Jacob, he plays Austin, who is this, the most beautiful, accurate portrayal of, I think of a child in the autistic spectrum and the beautiful heart and mind of all of that. Wait, Brittle Bones is in the autistic spectrum?

No, Brittle Bones is a separate thing. Okay. He also, Austin is also autistic. That was- Autistic, Brittle Bones is a separate thing. Okay. He also, Austin is also autistic. That was so- Autistic with Brittle Bones? With Brittle Bones. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What'd this kid do to God? Yeah. I'm gonna release you back into the wild because I've kept you here for long enough. Oh no, but listen man. I could too. Yeah, you're a pleasure. You're thoroughly enjoyable conversation.

We'll do it again, I hope. Yeah, I could too. You're a pleasure. You're thoroughly enjoyable conversation. We'll do it again, I hope. Yeah. And like the more friends I have who are Trumpers, the better. But okay. All right, let's wrap it up. I could do it all night. All night, all night.

So I'm just gonna cut it off. Yeah. Dude, thanks man. You too. I really enjoyed it. I had such a good time. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. I could be a superhero's like helper like Robin. What do you think? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you're going to have to work on the super suit. I mean, that's that's number one.