Coffeez with Joe Shalaby - Sugar Shane Mosley on Legacy, Grit & The Fight Within | Coffeez for Closers

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

In Ep 39, Joe sits down with Sugar Shane Mosley, one of the most electrifying fighters in boxing history—three-division world champion, Hall of Famer, and legend who’s faced everyone from De La Hoya and Mayweather to Pacquiao and Canelo.From picking up gloves at 9 years old to becoming one of the greatest pound-for-pound fighters in the world, Shane opens up about what it really takes to win—mentally, physically, and spiritually. He talks about training his son Shane Mosley Jr. (now fighting for a world title), how discipline shaped his career, why modern boxing has gone soft, and how the fight game—and life—have changed over the decades.This is more than a boxing interview. It’s a masterclass in mindset, fatherhood, and faith, from a man who’s lived every round of it.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

His last fight, I mean, he's still in fighting shape. You know, he's fought in Pachia. He's fought Floyd Maydweather. He's fought, I mean, Oscar. Oscar Delahoya, you name it. Every champion that you guys all know or grew up with are your parents know and follow. This man has fought them and beat many of them. So it's just an honor to have you on this show today.

You know, you grew up with boxing gloves on your hand. You come from a lineage. Pretty much. Of boxers. Was it your father? Well, my father boxed, but not really like the boxing that I did, professionally, whatever. He was more of a, you know, he grew up in Watts. So he had to, you know, do more of the fights in the street.

Yeah. You know, he was in gymnastics and other type of sports like that, but very strong, physically, very strong. Yeah. Nice. Now, when did you know, like, boxing wasn't just a sport? This was just, this was going to be your life. I knew when I was like nine years old that boxing was going to be my life. I knew that I wanted to be the world champion.

I knew that I wouldn't be great because at that young age, I said to myself, you know, it's a one-on-one sport. And I determined if I'm going to win or not. If the kids are my size and my age, there's no way they're going to be me. So I took to the challenge and, you know, boxing, I just fell in love with boxing right away. And actually watching like Sugar Ray Leonard and a lot of those guys at that time, Sugar and Leonard, Time, Herons, Brother Rand, you know, those guys actually motivated me to be the top fire that I was, you know, even then. So is that where the name derived from? I love Sugar Ray Leonard, too, but did you get it after Sugar Ray?

The name was given to me probably because of Sugar Ray Leonard. I used to wear the Sugar Ray Leonard gloves in 1980. I started boxing in 1979. Sugar in Leonard was like the champion in 1980, so he was a big thing. So I was like, we're going to call you Sugar Shane. And it just stuck with me all the way through. you know i remember meeting sugar robinson and his wife and telling them my name is sugar too you know and she's like you have to be good to be a sugar and i'm like well i'm really good i'm going to be the best you know

so yeah it just took with me everybody uh what announced my name when i was fighting when i was like 12 11 years old my name was announced sugar shane mostly when they announced me it wasn't just shame it was it was been with me forever you had your professional you had your professional Professional fight first professional fight at what age? I think I was 22 or 21 and 22 years old I waited after the Olympics in 1992 to to fight for professional to fight professionally The reason why got because of the Olympics but I could have probably turned professionally early I was actually number one is when I was 17 years old in the country and representing the United States for Duelmits and stuff from 17

to 21. I was the number one guy in the United States. Wow. Yeah. And was that in the Olympics? That was the Olympics, but I was on the Olympic team, but I didn't go to the Olympics. I lost to Vernon Forest,

and it was an alternate for the Olympics. And, yeah. So I was supposed to go, but I actually beat the guy that was a super medalist and a dual meet. You know, so, I mean, I just felt short, you know, and things like that happen.

It happens. It happens. So from your early days to the big belts, what did winning mean to you back then? And has that definition of winning changed now? Well, back the day, winning for me was everything. It's like I had to win. Before I fought for my first world title, I think I was 22 and 0, like 21 knockouts or 23 and 0, 22 knockouts. I knocked out pretty much everybody because I didn't want to go to the judge. judges because you never know sometimes you never know what's going to happen with the judges I'm like I have to be one of the greats I have to be a champion and yeah I don't even want the judges to even have a hand in this but winning to me back then it was more so like you know it's like an honor and achievement to to be the world champion it was it felt Like, I was part of history because all the great champions, they held the belt with honor. Nowadays, it seems that the honor has changed. The entire box has changed, and it's more of how much money can we get.

And even the ones that will fight for honor will turn to fight for the money because the money seems to be, I mean, it's a great tool to have. You know, money's great, right? Yeah, I mean, now these boxing tickets are insane. Yeah.

They're insane tickets. I mean, can you get a fight against Logan Paul, you know? Like, that would be a big ticket? Logan or Jake. Yeah, I mean, it was funny because I actually trained Jake Paul. So I was one of his first trainers.

So I don't think that that would ever happen. I mean, he is fighting guys smaller than him like Jake Paul. I mean, like Giovante, Davis. He's smaller than you? Yeah, Javentine Davis is really small. I mean, that'd be a cool fight.

You and Logan, but it would be probably rigged. Yeah. I mean, if they've been $20 million and $30 million and $50 million, I would definitely get in the ring of fight. I mean, that's a no-brainer.

Yeah. I mean, I think you'd fight for less than that. You're just a fighter. Really, I'm just a fighter. I love to fight. And I get the ring all the time with all these young fighters. So they're paying that type of money, then yeah that's just a better yeah but you know at least i go out there and try you know i like to try

what's your opinion about the quality or the metric of these quality of fighters now that we're seeing these youtube sensational fighters i think that the fighters they are good and they have a lot of great qualities you know the the the speed power um and you know moving around i guess the physical part of it But the only thing that's different is the mentality of the fighter back then and now. I think the mentality is changing where they started to really go for it. I mean, Turner Crawford proved that, you know, he actually showed a great mentality and some old-time, old-skilled type of fighter fighting, Terence did. Terence was, he showed a great variety of different styles where he can stay there

and punch at the same time he can move and like he did a lot of great things in there so I took my half to him I think he did a great job I actually thought Canello was just too big was going to win but but he definitely proved me wrong well Terrence is an old school he's a traditional fighter

he's more of a traditional fighter and so is Canello and so is Canello but Canello kind of fought he didn't change whereas Crawford had different things in there they changed and made hard for Conello to catch up with him. Yeah, I think you said he knew

kind of like he knew his strategy already. He knew he knew he did the steps, he knew basically what he was going to do. And Canello did the same exact thing every time the one shot to the body or one shot to the head and Crawford just had to, you know, still it from that and I'll point him, you know.

Now, you fought some of the biggest names in history from Delahoya to Cotto to Majorga to Mayweather to Pacquiao. But what was your hardest fight mentally and what was your hardest fight physically well the hardest fight for both was actually winky right the winky rano right was the hardest fight for me at south paul he was a

soft paul j middowate is a little bit bigger and he was very skilled because he can catch and throw catch and throw so the shots i was hitting him with didn't hurt and he was just bigger to me where he can just kind of lay on me or just kind of like you know smother me and i couldn't didn't do anything so that was just a harder fight because of i think believe his size and and his um his ability he had great ability too it wasn't just size it was his ability because if he was less than what he was then i could have you know outpoint him or something so he was actually he was a great fighter what year was that fight against winky who i'm thinking 2006 or seven maybe i remember that i remember that name i remember that fight yeah he thought he also

Also, after, because I was supposed to fight Trinidad after that. Yeah. And he fought Trinidad instead. And he beat Trinidad too. Wow. Actually, he'd be Trinidad worse. I mean, I actually, it was a close fight with me and him, but Trinidad, it kind of like just outpointed him. Did you fight Trinidad?

I didn't get a chance to him because of Lanky. Now, so Winky, right, was harder. That was harder in Canell. It's harder than Mayweather? Hard at all of them, yeah, because of his style. Like, they were more strategic Mayweather and, Canello and Colos, they're more

strategic where he was, it was just hard to fight him. Like South Paul, but he was just tough. You didn't fight Canella, did you? Yeah, I fought Canello as well. You fought Canello? Yeah, he was like 21. He's a year older than my son.

He was 21. I think I was 40 or 39, 40. You fought him at 40? Yeah, I believe I was 40 years old when I fought Canella. He was 21. Wow. Yeah. I mean, when was your last?

last big fight. How old were you? My last fight was with Miurga. I did that promotion myself at the forum. What year was that? 2016, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that was my last fight.

Well, that wasn't my last fight. To the back, my last fight was with David Evanescian, the Russian kid. That was my last fight. And that was maybe 2016. So he was probably 2015. but you're still in great shape. You still look like you could get in the ring tomorrow. I could, yeah. I get the ring and I spar and move around.

Like, I'm still pretty good. I know my limits, you know. I know where I can go, but. What are your limits? I mean, you seem like you're limit of this still. Yeah, I mean, you know, a limit would be like maybe getting in there with Crawford. You know, he's younger and, you know, and. You'd get in there with Crawford right now?

I would, but I'd be saying that's kind of like. Crawford, do you hear that? The champ? Yeah, but I'd say it's. He's too young for me. I wouldn't stop not... He's 30. He's in the...

Yeah, but I'm saying like I'll fight somebody different than that. More, you know, like he's more out of the league. My son, Shane Jr., will fight him. When will he fight him? Probably pretty soon. After my son was the world title,

he can fight Crawford at 160. I think Crawford's trying to go to 60 to fight. And your son's fighting for the world title pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. And December 6. It'll be in Vegas. It'll be in Vegas and June Grand.

He'll be fighting against Ramos. Wow. So, yeah, he's supposed to fight October 25th, but I think Fender heard his hand. And they postponed the date. So now he's going to be fighting December 6th. And I'm excited for that because he's been working very hard. It's a long time coming. You've been training him.

Yeah. Well, I'm nice training. There's another trainer, Eric, I give his last name, but Eric. He's a very, very good trainer. out of Canada and he's been working with them I give my son all the all the tools he needs

like all the little different strategies and stuff like that so I'm always there beside him but yeah how old was your son when he started boxing he started when he was eight but then he stopped and he came back to boxing when he was 16 or 15 or 16

it's just in his blood yeah it's his blood yeah he wanted to fight you know So he picked up a pair of gloves the same age you picked up a pair of gloves. Pretty much, yeah. Okay. You know, I'm just blown away by your level of fitness. Like, guys, you don't even understand.

He literally looks the same. You know, the dude is ripped. What is your regimen to stay this fit still at 54? So start with the morning. What's your morning regimen? What depends. It depends. It depends on, I think, if I start with you.

working out when I work out. But I think that the real reason is me going to the gym and kind of in the bags, sparring with the kids, staying in a shape that way. I think that just being active as a fighter, not on the level that I was when I was fighting for World Titles, but just being active. It gives my body that type of, you know, that type of chisel where I could just stay fit. I mean, being active is not like, you don't stay that chiseled. I think that and not eating is, but not overeating, over-eating, over-indulging.

Yeah. I'm more of a snacker anyway. And just, yeah, still healthy. You eat one meal a day, you mentioned. Yeah, one meal a day, and I'm a snacker. So I, one good meal, and then maybe snack here and there. What kind of snacks? Nuts or something?

Nuts, granola, or, which is, granola is not really good, but the nuts are good. You know, I get pumpkin seeds and stuff like that. you know yeah i can't imagine maintaining that body that bMI at your age is like i'm sure it gets harder but but not really i mean once you get used to you know eat a certain way then it's not hard at all but it's just getting used to it now what about outside the ring uh what was a what was the fight the public the public never saw but shape shape the man you became now the fight the public yeah like what's like one fight you've dealt with and you know behind the media I wouldn't say fights.

I would say more of when you spar, when you go to the gym and spar. So I spar with two world champions every day before I was a world champion. I think that kind of molded me. Zach Padilla was 140 pound world champion. And Chiginito, General Hernandez was a 130 pound champion. I was fighting at 135. So I would spar with these guys almost every day. And I think that...

Here in L.A.? In LA, yeah. I think that made me that they kind of transformed me as a young fighter into a world champion. Help me to understand what a champion, what it took to be a champion. Because I was sparring with two champions, and I had to be good enough, better, or just good enough to be in the ring with them because that I wasn't, they would just, you know, that wipe me out, that dust me out. But they were, by me sparring with them all the time, they were actually winning all.

all their fights. So they needed me to spar with them. And I knew, that's how I knew that I was going to be the next world champion because I'm in the ring with two champions every day. So there's no way that anybody else is going to be able to mess with me. That's just unreal. So that's what people don't realize. It's like the work that goes into being a champion, people don't see that you're fighting champions before. People don't see that you're like, I mean, when I was, I was, I was a 15 years old was in the ring with Zuminosa and sparring with him. him. And then after the sparring such a Carl King, I'm like, oh my God,

we want to sign you, my father's like, he's only 15 years old. You can't sign right now. He's not even pro yet. So I was, and I was sparring with a lot of work, like Hedra Lopez and, you know, like all these world champions I was around. How did you get in front of those people? The gym you went to?

I'd go to different gym, spar on different people, yeah. I'll go to the gym, and my father were tempted to the gym, and we will look up for the The best person, the champion, the world champion. And we'll get the room with them and work and try to be better. You know, so. I feel like the world of boxing now, it's like to be a good boxer, like I'll give you where I live in Cozeman's like, like there's only one real boxing gym.

Everything else is like this like, you know, trendy boxing gym. You got trough to the hood a little bit, man. Yeah. I'd be East LA, Pomona, Azusa, you know, Bowman Park. You got to go to the real. They don't have those real boxing gyms. It's all fancy stuff. You know,

where the gym is hot and, you know, they got air condition. You don't want air condition. You know, and they got music and it's like disco lights. Yeah, you need a small ring and hot and people looking at you crazy, you know.

That's the real boxing gym. You don't see those rocky style boxing gyms anymore. Yeah, real boxing gym, man. That nice stuff. I've never, I don't think I've ever stepped foot in a boxing. You got like all of them are now like box house or, you know, rumbo boxing.

They're not real boxing gym. Have you ever seen these places? I've seen rumble boxing. That's not there. That's just for people to go there and hit the bag. It's like for moms. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I go to gyms. All the rough gyms, even now, I go to rough gyms of Puerto Rico or in Mexico or whatever. Like, I like, I like to go to the hood. and goes their gyms like that and see what they got, you know. Yeah, now you're living in Puerto Rico. Yeah.

And we describe, you know, you got a lot of fans of Puerto Rico. What is it that drew you to live in Puerto Rico? Actually, the people. I actually started, I moved there or went there when I was training Jetpo for Nadeas. And then from there, I started meeting a lot of people there. I already knew a lot of people anyway, but I realized Puerto Rico is a box. A boxing country, a state, well,

it's a territory of the United States. So I realized it was a boxing, you know, I guess you say, well, territory. Yeah, so, and the people love boxing, and I love boxing, so it's kind of like

I would definitely want to give back and to the kids that really wanted to learn, and they seem to really want to learn the sport. and be the best, you know? So I love it. There's a lot of financial benefits as far as taxes and concerns as well.

So that's just a lasting on the cake. Yeah, I mean, we were having this conversation. It's like, you know, Philippines, Puerto Rico. These people just adore you. You know, they just adore you. You go to Philippines, you go to Puerto Rico. Yeah. It's like everybody knows sugar chain.

Yeah, it's a whole different flavor. And it's like... And every meal, 30 plus. Yeah, 30 plus, right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the good thing about Jake Paul is because he's getting the younger generation involved and so they can see who's who, I guess. But, yeah.

What's your opinion about this new reemergence of boxing amongst the youth? Like, Jake Paul has really, like, reignited a fire for the love of boxing that didn't exist. I would say boxing was a dormant sport for like a decade. Yeah, I mean, he's really getting behind, you know, the fighters out there in Puerto Rico. And also the women, women boxing. He's brought women boxing to another level. I mean, that's what he's promoting it. He's promoted, yeah, he's promoted women boxing.

And now in Puerto Rico or whatever, if you want to, you know, be involved with the fight game, being a woman. because back in the day, you know, women boxing wasn't that big. But nowadays, you know, the women boxer are getting paid. And that's because of Jake Paul, so he's doing a great job. You know, I see that shift in a lot of women's sports, like basketball, for instance. You know, and I would probably attribute Caitlin Clark to that. You know, but like women basketball is like, I think in like five years, it's going to be, neck and neck with the NBA.

That's impressive. Yes. You know, so you're starting to see this in boxing. You're seeing it in basketball. I mean, you're seeing it in, you know, you might see flag football, you know, with women. Yeah, in a second, yeah. You know, it's like right around the corner

where you'll see a professional flag football. And these women fighters, they're actually good. They're actually good technique and power and stuff like that, you know. So it's getting more exciting. before what probably wasn't excited because it wasn't maybe as good but the women boxing is really taking off and they're really fighting a lot better now yeah i mean obviously we know this happens in the ufc women's ufc is obviously insane um so now that you've lived through multiple errors of the boxing sport what stands out to you the most about how the fight game has evolved

I mean, that's kind of easier what stands out to me is the money that they're making is crazy. If I was fighting that era, you know, I would... But Mike Tyson was making insane money, right? Not really. I mean, he made $20 million, but he made $20 million. Yeah, he was making some good money, but only Mike Tyson was making like that. You know, in this era... And Delaware.

Delaware was really making... He was making $10 million, but not... 50 million and 100 million dollars this is a different like what's your highest paid fight? 7 million and that's what gets Pacquiao yeah so

they're making like you know Crawford and in Canello 150 million 150 million 150 million yes Crawford made 50 million or 100 million or something like that

they make money like that that's the difference That's crazy. And he's not, like, then what did Logan Paul make? I don't know, maybe $20 million. But see, he, but he brung boxing to Netflix. So, you know, he's doing something with all his fans and people that they're supporting him. So that's why he's making that type of money.

You know, I think Tyson made $20 million, you know? Yeah. Something like that. So he just gave him that fight. This type of stuff is like, that's the difference. And back then, I mean, you go. back to sugar red linen all of them back there was to make that type of money that we've made more money and now they're making way more money yeah so we we doubled their money that they were making back

in the 80s so does your son get to make that kind of money now not yet but he hopefully it'll be in there you know yeah he's still only making six figures a fight not seven huh yeah i think that after this you know if he fights but that that could be eight figures you know yeah he'll be like that it just depends who you fight, you know? I didn't need to be a seven-time world champion like you and I already made more than you. Exactly. It's funny money. Yeah, it is different.

Now, today's Bokton World looks a lot different. What do you think today's fighters are missing that your era had, you know, what's the real thing that they're missing? Not every fighter, but I'm just the majority is the mentality of going out there and getting the knockout, going out there and really going for the win and making the fans enjoy, letting the fans enjoy the actual fight, like actually fighting. Now they will say, well, we're boxers. We're going to hit and not get hit. We're going to hit and not get hit.

And they're going to stay away and they're going to box. That's kind of the difference. They don't really engage. Even the boxers back in the day, like Siproner-Wittaker that doesn't get hit whatever, he's going to stay in the pocket and try to knock the guy out. He's going to not get hit, but at the same time, he's going to actually go for it, and make the guy, you know, like go for a knockout, whereas these guys will not go for the knockout and not get hit either, but just not try.

That put themselves in danger, they say. Why put myself in danger? Why risk? you know like they're too afraid to go for the knockout and that's what the fans like that's what you're training you work out for you know they're too afraid of it but so you know they just think they're a little too easy zone you know they still I think they're great fighters though there's a lot of like secure steveson and and a few others tank davis will go for the knockout that's why people would like to see him you know and

And Crawford will go for a knockout when he can, so they want to see those type of fights. But other than that, I mean, there's a lot of, in a way, it's actually a fighter that will go for a knockout, you know, a little Chinese guy. And he's exciting and people want to see him. So it's the mentality has to change. If they have the mentality, like those fighters I named, then I think that the spoil would change around. Are you instilling that mentality in Sugar and Shane Mosley Jr.? Of course. He has a mental as well, you know. Like he's a good boxer, but he's also a fighter too.

I told me also have the dog in him. Sometimes he has to do more boxing than try to sit there and fight because he will get too much if he sits there and fights too long. So how do you get that dog in you? What is it that makes you get that dog in you? It's a mentality of mindset. You know, like I will win. I'm going to get you.

I'm going to win. I'm going to beat you a certain way. You know, and even if you do, whatever you do, there's nothing you can do that. You can stop it. You know, you just bite down. It's that, um, yeah. Rociousness.

Is that, that, that, been that predator, like, you're coming for you. I'm coming for you, you know. Now, social media, big promos, influencers in the ring. What's your honest take on where this sport is headed right now? Oh, it looks like it's headed to a right position. I think that maybe these guys are getting paid a lot, maybe too much money, and sometimes it kind of like makes them more elected days ago,

but I'm all four of them getting paid that to my man. I would definitely love to getting paid $100 million or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean, you've got family in it now, so it's like, yeah. I mean, but it takes away, it seems like it's taking away the fight out of some of these big fights because they're like, oh, okay, I just retire after this. You know, I don't have to do nothing else. I don't know.

But I think the sport is going back to the old school, the old way, I think, the mentality of it, you know. Hopefully it gets there. Hopefully it goes to where we watched all these fights that want to, you know, go home. I'm going to watch this fight. I'll watch that fight. You know, and I knew it's going to be a great fight, you know.

I said, like, I wonder if it's going to be a good. I wonder if it's going to run. I wonder if it's going to be a boring fight. Like, you have to wonder if it's going to be a good fight or not. Back of the day, it's like we know, like, you know, my tights going there. It's going to be a great fight. You know, like, myself or, let's say, Trinidad or anybody, Chavez, you know, like these guys, all these guys, Shura Leonard, you know, Tommy Hurons, it's going to be so fireworks.

Marvin Hagelin, something's going to happen. Every, like you talk about Tyson, every fight of his was so damn fun. It was fun. Like, you know, like, it's an event. All your fights were amazing. What's going to happen? Like, what's going to happen? That was the thing.

Nowadays, like, you're not like, what's going to happen as far as excitement, but it's going to run? It's going to be a boring fight. Like, what are they going to do? Like, what's going to happen? Back then, it's like, yeah, what's going to happen? But what's going to happen? Like, who's going to get knocked out?

Like, what's going to, you know, what's going to happen that way? Yeah. Not who's going to run the most So I'm making a boring fight Yeah, I'll be real with you I think boxing was tougher and better Back when you were boxing I just do I think the era

Of boxing has gotten a little softer I know that Jake Paul is trying to make it more ferocious Yeah But it's there's a lot of glitz and glamour and and hokey-pokey Social media you know Narrative behind it right So But Jake Paul is actually a

He's actually a real fighter, though. Yeah, I trained him, and I know his mentality. I know his mindset. So actually good fight. Yeah, so he's a good fighter. He's actually a fighter. Yeah, he's a, you know, he fought for, what, seven, eight years now? Like, he's a real fighter.

So you think, you see it the same, you don't see it the same way? Do you think the era is a little softer? You don't, you think it's... No, no, I mean, the era might be a little bit more softer and everything. Not just boxing, but basketball, football, like, you go to all the sports, And it's softer than it was back in the day. Yeah. All the sports.

Probably because of hyper-regulation. Yeah. You know, don't hit them there. Don't, don't. You can't do that. You can't do this. Yeah. Back in the day, your eyeball fall out and you're still fighting.

Yeah. I mean, now everyone's concerned about this legal issue and that legal issue. Yeah. Now, if you could train one up and come, one coming up, one up and coming fighter. today what qualities would you look for first in that fighter for me i look for the the mindset the heart because you can train all the other stuff but train the mindset and train the heart is something that's hard to train like you have to really be like a psychiatrist when you're coaching um for that and that's the main ingredient you you have you have fires like mayorga

and in madonna whatever they just throw and push it from wherever but they have the mindset that i'm gonna be you. I'm coming to get you. And they became world champion with that, which is not having skills, like really that type of skills at all. So if you have that mindset, we'll call the dog or whatever, then that's what I would want to see is what kind of... How fast do you see that? Well, you put him in the ring with certain people and see what happens. I mean, I've seen that with Jake Paul. They had a little dog and then when, you know, I took him down the street to Abel Sanchez Gym and threw him in there with some undefeated professionals, and, you know, they got him in the body,

and, you know, got the best of him a little bit, Blay knows, and he just kept going. I said, okay, he got some dog getting him. Like, he, you know, he, not only could he, you know, this shit, he could take it a little bit, too. So he's not, he doesn't mind taking it. He don't mind taking it and giving. So that's why I say, you know, Jake Paul, you know, he did his thing.

He's a great fight. That's why he's doing what he did. It could be, I wouldn't say set up or it could be a little different, whatever. I don't know what they're doing. But I do know that he is a real fighter and he can't fight. You know, whatever is he doing, like continue. You know, he's making money. He's bringing glory back to the game.

He's bringing glory back to the fight game. So whatever it is, it's doing, continue. Yeah. A couple last questions. Now, when people talk about legacy, which, you know, there's so. much legacy discussion in boxing. What do you hope your name stands for when they tell the story of the Sugar Shame Mosley era?

Oh, man. I mean, I just hope that they look at me as an honorable fighter and that a fighter that was really passionate about the sport of boxing. They really love the sport of boxing. I'm really passionate about it. And everybody knows I'm a nice guy that, you know, I'm the type of person that I want the best for the next person or whatever. I'm not even if he,

even if he beats me or he's whatever, I want to see him do well. I guess you could say I'm the type of guy that wants to see the next person who will and I feel happy about that. Yeah. I love that mentality. Got a couple last questions. One is about your family.

You know, you've raised four beautiful children. One of them up and coming champion. Yeah. Now you've instilled a level of. grit, a level of ferociousness, a winning mentality in your children, despite the fact that they grew up with a silver spoon, you know, compared to you? How did you instill that mindset into your kids, given all this worldly tribulation, all the, all the things that's, you know, this world just sways you when you got money. Your kids didn't grow up poor. Right. I mean, I didn't necessarily

grow poor either. I was a middle class, middle class kids. well. My father worked and my mother worked. Junior Dynamics, my father worked for the DPPS office. So I had a car when I was like 14 years old driving, you know, a green BMW, I mean, a green bug. So I wasn't necessarily in the ghetto. I was middle class.

But the thing that changed and that to my kids and my son, whatever, is that it, to be the, it's not because you have the money or you have whatever, you have to really want to be the best at whatever it is. I was very competitive. And like my son, Shane Jew, he's very competitive and he wants to win. It doesn't matter who you are. So he wants to win. And that's the key ingredient.

You know, you can, yeah, you want to win because you need money or you need, you need food on the table, whatever. Yeah, that's one way. But the other way is, you know, like, I want to be the best. I want to be the great. And I want to be able to take care of my family or whatever so they don't have to struggle.

My son kind of adapted that mentality, taking care of his family and want to be the best and setting a goal for himself and not wavering from that goal. So that type of mentality, that type of, I guess that type of, you know, things that I'm I gave him, that I installed him. That was the type of mentality I installed him that he's seen. He grew up watching me do it.

So now he's going to do the same thing that I did. He wants to be world chub. He wants to be great. He wants to be better. And I'm happy for it. God bless. God bless. I'm better.

I'm happy about that. One last question. I'm asked us to everybody. When you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you? Oh, man. I don't know. have I learned all my lessons.

I believe that God knows my heart and knows that I'm alight and that I am a helper. I'm not a taker. I'm a helper of everybody. I helper of earth, of people, mankind, and I'm only going to, I'm only enhancing. And, yeah, I'm going to get, I believe, get rewards for that. You will. You will. You're one of the sweetest dudes ever.

Guys, Sugar Shane Mosley, the legend. If people want to connect with you or chat with you, how do they find you? Yeah, you can find me on Instagram. Shane Mosley, I think it's with the bootchette. And, yeah, I'm coming up with my different websites, maybe pretty soon. And I'll put that on my Instagram. So that's how you can find me. It's from the Instagram.

Perfect. Guys, Sugar Shane Mosley, seven-time World Champion. Thank you guys for tuning in. God bless.