Collector Nation - Is Michael Jordan’s Game-Worn Finals Jersey Worth $15 MILLION?!

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

Could Michael Jordan’s 1998 Finals jersey really be worth over $15 million? Ryan Alford, Brian Ludden and Bella Shafer break down the upcoming sale, debate what the jersey is actually worth, and discuss whether game-worn memorabilia is becoming an even bigger part of the collectibles market. Their predictions range from $25 million to more than $40 million. They also take a hard look at the new Topps flagship football release, discuss whether affordable wax can still deliver an exciting ripping experience, revisit the iconic 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr. rookie, and talk modern chase cards, Frozen Fractors, Minions, SPs and SSPs. Topics Covered Michael Jordan’s 1998 Finals jersey The $100 million valuation debate Game-worn memorabilia vs. cards Topps flagship football Hit rates and affordable wax 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr. Kyrie Irving Frozen Fractor Modern inserts and chase cards SP/SSP scarcity Collector Station live selling Check out Pristine Auction and use code NATION at PristineAuction.com and you'll knock $20 off your first win. 🔗 Links Mentioned in This Episode Collector Nation Website: https://thecollectornation.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecollectornation TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thecollectornation YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thecollectornation Collector Station Website: https://thecollectorstation.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecollectorstation Ryan Alford Website: https://www.ryanalford.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ryanalford Brian Ludden / Ludex Website: https://www.ludex.com App: https://www.ludex.com/download Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ludexapp ⭐ If you enjoyed this episode, follow Collector Nation, leave a 5-star review, and share it with another collector.

A Michael Jordan 1998 finals Game 3 jersey has come to auction. They're anticipating $10 to $15 million. The owner of said jersey has said $100 million. Jordan's the hottest certain entity in the entire hobby.

He's my favorite player of all time. He's the greatest player of all time. It's worth more than $10 million. I think if it goes for $10 to $12 million, I will be absolutely shocked. And I think it's going to go for hire. Every sport and every jersey and every merchandise, he is just a continent to himself. There's nothing better than when someone who's a billionaire and they're like, I bought that and

like flex that. That's ego and that's someone who's like, I'm going to be known. You're really flexing if you wore it yourself. War it on a pickup game in the city. It is a flex and it's an amazing piece. I'm Ryan Alford. And I'm Bella Schaefer. And this is Collector Nation.

We're curating all of the content in the hobby just for you all in one place. All the videos, all the podcasts, all the reels, all those drops you want right here, right now. What's up guys? Welcome to Collector Nation. You got Ryan, Brian, and Bella. Hello. Be deady. What's going on, brother?

Not much. Just enjoying the nice weather in Chicago, post-national. meetings. Yeah, just, you know, every day doing my thing. Every day is a Lidex holiday. It's a holiday. What's going on? What's going on at Collector Station?

Oh, we had our fourth live selling last night. We switched it up. So now we're doing sports Sundays and then TCG Tuesdays, which really appeases my alliteration brain. And it actually went really well, except we've now realized that, you know, you fix one setting and then something else along the line gets mixed up. So we were having an issue where shipping wasn't accumulating. So I fixed that. But now we have another issue where it wouldn't let us print the shipping labels for six hours after the live. So, you know, it's a learning curve for sure. But I'm excited to do it. And I'm learning. new skills. Called innovation. Yes.

That's how all progress is. Hey, I like the, you know, I know I'm teaching you well when you say, you know, I just have the, you're blessed to have the opportunity to do it. I think that's what I heard you. Yes. Yeah.

No, I am. Wow. Give Bella a raise. That's what she's going for. I mean, you know, I come here to learn skills every single day. Soft skills, hard skills. How to not throw my computer at the floor when things go awry.

So, you know. We love eBay. We do. But there are some things we would love to have say in with like the tech platform. And it's not. So it could just be us learning it. We can admit that. Oh, I do it the Schaefer way where I don't like to read instructions.

And then I like to do it and then I have to redo it because I didn't read the instructions. That's like every, that's like how. every dude is like I don't need instructions I don't need directions I know where I'm going like you do it like for sure you know it's perfect for the industry it is perfect the industry I'm just glad someone besides me's like you know yeah you're welcome I'm saving saving you the headache but no it's been good it's been fun a lot of learning and I can feel the progress like every stream we're getting better and better still probably not great but you know again It's all part of the journey.

And you guys are on eBay live. You're on eBay Live under the collector station. underscore com. Yeah. Underscore. It's so funny. But anyway, subtle way to get your website in the name. Not so subtle.

I'd love to do everybody's feedback if you're listening. If you've used on the, you know, you do lives, everybody on this listening, If you're listening to our show, a sports card and collectible show, you probably have used whatnot. But have you used eBay Live? You know, drop us some comments on Spotify or YouTube. What do you like? What do you not like? I love some feedback just on the platforms.

We know that eBay is progressing. And, you know, they've been working on the platform hard. Got some updates actually before I even got in here. I saw an email. And it's a priority for them. But I'd be curious just what's your experience is a bit. have been on the platforms. Yeah, and we're doing, oh, you go.

Yeah, I was, I feel like they all have their, like, each one's different. None of them are perfect. And they all have their intricacies that you have to learn to become super efficient on them. So there is a learning curve for sure. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

I think that's the biggest thing for every, for us, you know, being new selling on there and had started natively on whatnot, you know, last. year and then giving this a shot with our, you know, partnership with them and wanting to give that a go. It's going to be new for everyone. And then I think it's even new for people that are watching and buying on it. They've used whatnot. And then they're coming into eBay Live. And they've maybe have, sure, most people have eBay accounts, but like actually using the eBay Live platform. I think you've got to just have all your boxes checked and all your settings set up. But I will say that the people over there have been very good. gracious and very patient because, you know, there's been hiccups and like there's been

shipping malfunctions and things like that that we're either having to fix on stream or after stream. And pretty much nobody's complained. And it's, I've been very appreciative of that because I would definitely take that on my shoulders. I think it's part of the live nature like of the community, you know, they've watched you for two hours or you're doing stuff. They're kind of seeing like, all right, these people's hearts are in the right. place, you know, like, we're doing it. We got great cards, good deals. Like, and I don't think it's more personal.

It's not, it's not personal or like they're not going to get something, you know, even if it's an hour or two delayed or a day laid, you know, I think. Hopefully, if you think Bella's going to steal from you, then you aren't watching our YouTube. Yeah, I couldn't kill a bug. We would, I don't do business that way and she doesn't look like she would do business that way. No, and she doesn't. So, no, but it's been an adventure. And I mean, I've been watching and helping behind the scenes

and more letting them run with things, and they've done a great job. So I'm excited that we've got the opportunity to grow. So long story short, tune in Sunday, 6 p.m. Eastern, Tuesday, 7 p.m. Eastern on eBay Live. It's Taco TCG Tuesday. Oh, my gosh. You should have Brita. Like, you have to have mariachi hats or whatever.

Or, you know, I don't know if that's really what they're called. Sombreros. Get some chips and queso's going. Chips and casso. They come in and sing at everyone's table, you know, love songs. Oh, now that would be really cool. Now, you shouldn't have said that. I'm going to hire like a mariachi band to come in on Tuesdays.

He's playing in the background while this is going on. Yeah. Oh, my God. That would be amazing. Okay. Okay. Well, before he thinks too much on that, let's. Let's go to the cards this week.

You know, obviously Topps flagship football released last week. Now that it's, you know, a couple days removed, what are y'all's thoughts on it? How are you liking the product? How is it showing up on Ludox's scanning? What's the news with that? I got, I mean, it's for us, I'll jump in. Yeah, you're more a consumer-facing on it. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, scanning it is the same. It's definitely a popular set based on like the seven-week scan data. There's some that just don't resonate. And then there's some that obviously the big ones, you know, the difference of scanning the flagship is as much. You could see it on the data. You can tell us the most allocated. It's everywhere. and everybody bought it.

We've sold it in here, and it's like there's two sides of this coin. I think Topps did what they probably should have done, and I would do coming out the gates, you know, safe, traditional play. Cards look nice. They're paper, but it is what it is. It's an affordable, entry-level product for people in the hobby. follow the path of baseball.

It has a similar look field, this type of inserts, the hit rates, all that stuff. I just, and I wrote an article on this, and I like what Topps doing. And if I was in their position,

I don't know that I would have done anything different. It's more about what do you do moving forward, because here's the challenge. Owning the shop, watching people rip, and I even watch a lot of people online, like watching videos on YouTube, that's how I learn, is watching other people rip it and talk about it,

see how their reactions are. You've said, we've got an industry now that people view this as entertainment. And yes, there's definitely a sub-segment of the hardcore collectors that are set collecting, they want every card, and the product is made for that person, which is like a baseball product. Baseball, you got all these guys, they want every set, the checklist, they're doing it, they're building the sets, that still happens.

I know it's a big group. And maybe that group is in football too, but I'm not sure. And my hunch is, and I watch people rip it, they're happy they spent 25 bucks. They're not happy that the hit rates suck. And it's not that everybody is chasing the $1 million Cooper flag. I think there's realistic. But it's entertainment. Part of ripping is entertainment.

Part of set collecting. The irony in all of this is these packs are set up. and they have so many cards in 150 cards. The megabox is the heaviest thing I've ever held in a megabox. They're set up for the set collectors, but set collectors don't buy much wax. It's too inefficient. It's too inefficient.

The people buying and ripping wax are the chasers, they're entertainment people, and we have packs that are set up for the set collectors. Someone's got to negotiate that, And we can't just go and blame it on the rookie class sucking. Because this product's going to fizzle out, I think, purely because the hit rates aren't great. The breakers are going to move on. You know, they did their diligence.

And it's a nicely put together product. I'm not even like critiquing why this product exists. It's more there needs to be an evaluation of what makes sense next. I mean, people have already come in the shop I heard today. Like, they're already like, ah, it's me. It's just meh. You know, like, and I will say this too. I'm going to talk.

I'm talking both sides of it. Don't ask for affordable products then. You know, like, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't have a $25 blasher box, probably, and get the hit rate that you want. But I think that crowd would probably acknowledge, well, I'm willing to pay $35 then, and they probably would. And then they want the hit rate at least a little higher. And I think that if you're serving the Rippers, You know, that's what you need to have.

And it doesn't have to be a $20 card in every $20 box. But man, I watched a lot of kids in my store and online and people ripping those boxes. And it's just like, eh, disinterest, you know, like. Boring. And even though I did, they did pretty decent on the inserts and stuff like that, but it's just not enough. I don't think for what the hobby is today. Let's talk about the kids because I do think there's a play to make it affordable,

especially we talk about like Pokemon being like the gateway drug into, you know, into collecting and then they hop over to sports. So I do think there's like, if I had, you know, young kids, this would be the perfect product and make it exciting being like, hey, this is who we're looking for, our favorite player. And, you know, and I think it's a good product for growing. the industry at a lower level. But, yeah, I mean, people who are in it are, they're bored. They'll be bored by it.

Yeah, just getting 90 cards at a blasterbox and maybe having $3 in secondary value, you know, nine out of ten of them. I don't know if that's getting people excited. Again, I'm not advocating for, well, the only reason you should put a product out is if you got a chance at a million dollar card, the Cooper flag date, no, I'm not, I just think that, you know, you've got to find a balance of something that gets you excited that has a secondary market value beyond 50 cents. I mean, but kind of on the flip side, does Tops really care?

Because they've already sold their cards. It doesn't really impact them that much. It impacts, I mean, maybe minus, like. I think when here's how they'll care. When you walk into a store in December and there's 500, boxes of the 2026 flagship NFL football at Walmart everywhere else when everything else is sold out that matters and I think that's what you know you heard it here first I think that's what's going to happen um and that does matter so even if they've already sold it whoever they sold it to

it comes back around the other direction at some point I mean Brian there's honest yeah I mean yeah 100 I mean, you never want to see stuff sitting on your shelves. You don't want to see it as a store owner. I don't want to see the same stuff when I come into your shop after three months. And there's just, if I was toss, I'd probably just start by, I just like at certain level, just buy it back, you know, and get it and control the supply and demand curve a little. Yeah. But there is something interesting on the tech side of that is a couple people have come to me with ideas about putting, um, QR codes or sensors into carts in the manufacturing process. Yep. Like, this is a great example of like, and I know you can pick and choose on what you should or shouldn't do, but a lot of these people, like, every card is going to have a like a Dewey Decimal System where every card's going to have a unique identifier and it's, you can digitize it. And I'm like, but, but why?

Like, what percent of the, of the flagship product is in garbage cans that has been? open. That's that's yeah. That's kind of my point. Exactly right. I agree with you. And why would you spend, why would you spend an extra 50, you know, 25 cents a card when the cards worth a nickel when most of them are nickel? So that was like kind of my argument to them. It's like, you know, it's not going to be every card because no one cares about the cards. Yeah. And to that end, if, if 60% of the card during up again in the trash. Why print them? Why not change the product to match what people want and would actually, you know, I think it's overwhelming to try to collect this set of top. Like there's 600, 400 some cards plus all the parallels and all that. And I,

even if you just wanted the base set, it's still a lot. Like, let's get to some micro sets or something. Yeah, I mean, in the north, it's going to be winter soon. So, you know, it does heat the house up for a little bit. make some kindling. Or a campfire or start a campfire. But maybe there'll be a trend. I know they used to do this like in the 90s and different things with little mini sets and I know that can get out of hand and they want to reduce skews.

So I'm probably just dreaming here, Brian. So, you know, bear with me. But I have these little limited edition, like 50 cards, like something that's attainable. And maybe they're not all worth, you know, $50 apiece. So it's a $2,500 set or something. but maybe they have a floor of like $10,15 a piece, and it's a 50 card set.

Hey, I could get into like with the boys collecting a little 50 card set or something that get pieced together. Like, I don't know. I think they're just trying to appease every version of a collector. They're trying to appease the people that are doing it for excitement. They're trying to appease the people that are set building. They're trying to appease the affordability and the people that want the high-end cards. Like, they're all into one.

in flagship. Yeah. From jumbo to hangar, you know. I like the hangars. The hangers, 1499 retail. Hey, let's get some,

the hangers should be it. Because that's like one box. It's clean. You know, like you get it. It's not 90 cards. And we're going to go affordable. Let's make that the affordable entry.

And then let's juice up the blasters in the megaboxes or something. Yeah, all fair. All right. Fair. There we go. There we go. We're solving the problems that no one has. All good ideas. All good ideas. Not one bad idea. But as a shop owner, you know, I want to, I'm supporting it and I like it and I believe in it. But I also know the truth. And it doesn't mean my ideas are necessarily the best ones, but the, but the observations are real and they're truthful. And no one thinks about it more than I do right now because it's just, it's my business to do it. And or I should, could say that I don't think anyone is. I mean, at least on plane with whoever's thinking is the most.

I can't imagine. It is my business on so many fronts. And so I'm like, okay, well, what does this mean? And none of it's easy. And I don't think that they did anything wrong. I actually like the product. I just think it needs a dial turn or an evaluation point. So anyway, I agree. Bring on the Chrome, damn it. Switching gears a little bit, a Michael Jordan 1998 finals game three jersey has come to auction. They're anticipating $10 to $15 million. The owner of said jersey has said $100 million. What are your thoughts on that?

I'll share my thoughts. Brian's in Chicago. He knows this market. He knows Georgia. and all this stuff. So I know he's probably got something closer to the beat of it. I mean, look, Jordan's the hottest, like, certain entity in the entire hobby. He's my favorite player of all time.

He's the greatest player of all time. No one deserves that place more than him in my mind. So let me just get that out of the way. Yes, I am biased. Ah, however, it is the truth that he is the hottest entity in the hobby. and not many of his this is a very special, very rare item and whatever that price is

as easily as justified as anything else that's selling, I can tell you that, because this is the greatest player in a moment that really matters. So that's, you know, 70,000 foot observation. Yeah, I think it's, yeah, I think it's, you know, what it's worth.

worth. I don't know, but it's worth more than $10 million. I mean, let's look at, let's look at the cards. If we listed the cards that have sold in that range of 10 million, and now you have a game-worn 1-1 jersey of the best player of all time that you could put on your wall, you could travel, like Dix could put it in their stores and travel around. If I bought it, I could lease it to people just to have it in Chicago, right? So people could see it. I think if it goes for 10 to 12 million, I will be absolutely shocked. And I think it's going to go for higher. Now, it's also a great test about our cards starting to bleed into memorabilia, because this is a great test of it. And also, the amount of people who are raising capital for an investment vehicle inside of a portfolio, a stock portfolio, or whatever, your net worth, you want X percent in gold, you want X percent in collectibles. This is the one that I don't think you lose money on.

I mean, 100 million, come on. That's a little out. That's a little ridiculous. But you might be, you might be, if I'm going to personally scrape it together and Brian and I are going to buy it if it goes for 10 million. Yeah. Be the deal of the century. Yeah. We need to sell more flagship football. Yes.

Exactly. So I think it goes higher. I think I'm interested to see it. And there's just so much money at the high level in this industry. I think this is a really good test to see actually how much is there. And I think no matter what, if you pay 20 million or 25 million, you're probably buying it with like two years of like you're not going to make money in two years. but then there's that pinnacle where it's going to be worked at eventually. It's how long do people want to tie their capital up until that becomes a moneymaker?

Because there's always someone, a billionaire out there that if they want it for 20, they'll pay 40. It doesn't matter to them. So I think this is a good test about the bridge and see how this plays out. But that's my two cents. 38 to 42 mil. That's your guess? That's where I'm just going to throw in that range. What are you?

I'll say 27. Yeah, I'll be like, I'll just be the low guy at 25. Okay. We'll see. We'll come back to this when it actually sounds. If I knew who all was actually interested, I might dictate my better guesses. Oh, there's some big, there's some big fish out there. But the couple of names that I saw is where I felt comfortable being well north of 20.

Um, it will definitely be over, I'll put a side bet. It's over 20. Can you go to Cal she? And I bet you Cal she has like prop bets on this thing. I guess you. Oh, I'm sure they do. Yes. I'm sure they do.

But it is a good, Brian, really good point on the crossover. And I think it will be a litmus test for that. And I think it will. But I also think it, the only reason I would say it's not. is because Jordan is on another planet all alone. I don't know if it transcends every sport and every jersey and every, you know, like merchandise. He is just a continent to himself. Personally, I think if it goes close to 10 million,

like the fact that people are comparing now, like a modern rookie player piece of cardboard to a. a like such a monumental item that is literally as game worn as it could possibly be you're having the entire thing like the fact that it's even close

to that it seems a little ridiculous than that piece of fragment of wood and the relic the relic I mean think about like the flex in this right like there's nothing better than when someone who's a billionaire and they're like I bought that

everyone knows they don't even have to say it. I bought the Jordan jersey and like flex that. And that's ego and that's someone who's like I'm going to be known and they're out there. You're really flexing if you wore it yourself.

Wore it on a pickup game in the city. It goes with a vent and he's got it on. You have to wash it. I wore it and Jordan wore it. We're not watching this thing. There's your flex. That's funny. No. It is a flex.

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Dolly Parton died yesterday. And I'd be like, okay, we're a sports card show. Why are we talking about Dolly Part? Well, she's one of the greatest U.S. entrepreneurs and personalities and people that walk the entire continent, you know, in my mind. And she has, she's pop culture. She's got so many crossovers. She's had cards. I probably know as many as she should.

And, you know, I was just, it was a. sad moment in in our country and I think for me just thinking about the impact that she had in music, in film, in movies and and like entrepreneurism and theme parks and every food like just a true legend. So just wanted to send my condolences and acknowledge her. We wonder what cards she has. Wonder which card she has out there. Well, we've got an article up on thecollector nation.com that has every card she ever did. The one she has a relic card that's 2003, maybe 2003 or 2023. Well, that's a big difference.

There is a big difference, but there was several. And then there was some older cards that were like country music card. Like, she probably had a catalog of like 15 or 20 different sets that she was in. That's cool. I mean, she deserves way more than that. And I don't even think there's enough words to put in, to talk. I don't think there's enough words to say how amazing of a person and generational influence she has been.

And really impactful for young boys back in the day. Back in the day. I'll let that play out. Like how many different genres she crossed and how many like, you know, from, you know, the singer sort of understated to, you know, the, I don't know, sexual object of like younger boys in the day of the 80s, 70, I don't know. And then just, but that's the thing, though. She did it all.

She carried off. Like, she was like literally a rock star in the entrepreneur space, the business space, like how she carried her business and what she got done. I mean, she might have had the look, you know, of all that, but she was so much more. and her musical talent, like, it almost gets lost because of the business and all the, sort of the glamour and all that kind of happened later in life. But her music catalog is incredible. Like, it really.

Working nine to five, baby. Yep. So anyway, hats off to Dolly. All right. I do want to do a little history lesson for people. And we are going to talk about the icon. iconic upper deck Ken Griffey Jr. card that we have an amazing, beautiful, wonderful, artistic representation of right here by collector creatives.

This is the card of the week then. Yeah, this is the card of the week. So we're going to start doing a little segment talking about the history of some iconic cards. So this is the 1989. Upper deck Ken Griffey Jr. number one card, which was generational in and of itself because having a rookie who they didn't even have a picture of him

in his Mariners jersey as the number one card was unheard of. And for it to be a junkwax card that still carries so much weight is awesome. So I want to hear your thoughts on this card. I know it's one of your favorites. Yes. Yeah, go ahead, Brian. Well, I'll tell you that that is the most scan card on Linux. And it's probably 10%, like it's never not going to be.

So obviously this is what people talk about. Hey, what's that Ken Griffey Jr., that one with his photo, the upper deck one? What's that worth now? Because I have those. And yeah, I mean, it's that iconic. I mean, for sure in my generation. Oh, I was a 12-year-old boy in the absolute pinnacle. You know, we think about 12, at least when I grew up.

I don't know now. Hopefully we're doing that for our kids. But, you know, enough, you know, as a kid, you know, that you're not in teenage years yet. And so it was the pinnacle moment of my childhood collection. and this new shiny company comes along. I'm in tops. I'm in Don Russ Fleer. You know,

everything's kind of got books, that binders full of the paper cards. And this shiny new object known as upper deck comes into play. And you're like, wow, look at this, a new company, shiny holograms.

And like, they really ushered in a whole new age of print quality. they introduced so many different autographs autographs you know like the UV coding on the cards and then right when the hottest thing in the hobby Ken Griffey senior's son the prodigy the kid the kid and he's their first you know the heroic card and it was every kid's chase card

that was a baseball collector at that time and literally you were cool if you had had a Kate Griffey Jr. Rup rookie, and you weren't so cool if you didn't or you wanted it. It was the, you know. I mean, it was an amazing risk that they took on all fronts, you know, a rookie that had never stepped foot on a professional baseball field. And they, you know, put them at number one. And it definitely paid off for them. I'm curious as to, you know, how, I mean, even now, like, we're talking about it now, however many years later. I'm curious as how much money they have been able to make off of that.

Well, I carried their legacy. I mean, built their legacy. And then, you know, I mean, through licensing and a million other things, you know, they're in hockey now and like a lot of other like non-sport stuff. But they, they printed the shit out of them. Yeah, they did. They made it a lot. I don't know.

Has there ever been an official like admitted number of how many sets they've rented? And it's, and it's like, it doesn't really diminish it too much, but it does diminish it at some level. Yeah, because like if it was half of what it was, it's probably $100,000 PSA 5 car, or PSA 10 car, excuse me. And, you know, it's actually fairly low the fact that it's only what, 5, 6, 7 grand, which I like. But that's moved. I mean, in the last year and a half, that thing's doubled or more. So he's getting love. Yeah, it's all my short list.

I haven't gotten one yet. I'm surprised you don't have one. You know, you just sold a, Yokic. Yeah, you could buy a really a Griffey for the same price. I could have bought 10 of them anytime I wanted. But I think it's more that that's card holds such a place for me. In a weird way, I never like to think I get to the destination of things.

I'm always on the journey. And I feel like if I own it, like, I don't know well that there's anything else that I would want. You know, and so it's almost in a weird way. I feel like it's going to be about when and where I buy it that matters. And that moment has it. I think if I walked into the crappiest mall in America that had a show and I happened to be in that town, and I walked up to the first table and the guy just happened to have it, that would be where I'd want to buy that.

Would it have to be a PSA 10? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, for myself, I'll buy any of them at a time. And they'll sit in the store and we'll sell them, we'll show them off, whatever. But the next one I buy will be the PSA 10 one, the perfect version of it. But I think that's what I'm more waiting on.

Because again, it hasn't been about affordability or ability. It's just more about when is that moment. Well, it's projected that it'll be $10,000 by 2023. So, or 20, not 20, 30, wow. Yeah. So get on that. And probably, but are you a guy that doesn't want to chase? And so when you see, there's people out there that like, oh, that card was $1,500, now it's $5,000.

I'll never pay $5,000 for it. But they didn't buy it for $1,500 either. I'm not that kind of guy. Like, if it's worth $5,000 today, there's a reason why it went up. Yep. you pay the price. Yeah, I could care less. I mean, don't get wrong.

If it waited 20 grand over the next month, I'd probably hit the pause button to just go, that seems artificial. Yep. But I did this, like I talked about in the article, I mentioned last week, between comparing that and the Yokic, which is it's earned over 30 years.

Like, it's earned the number. It's gone up, it's gone down. It's durable. Like, it's earned a five grand. Yeah. Now, I wouldn't buy blips. Yeah. I'm not a blip buy.

Like that's like just too emotional, but like, but I don't care. Paying fair market price with, it was mispriced for a long time. Yeah. Is what it says until this industry grew. And if you're really into it, that formula works for you and against you sometimes. So like, you just happen to hold on to these 20 cards that all did a 10x increase. You're like, hey, have benefit. But man, I didn't get in on that griffy.

Like, well, but you did benefit from the rest of the, you know, like, so there's two sides to that. It is annoying. There's some annoying collectors that, like, just happen to have it. And then they pretend like they're these geniuses that held on to it. I'm like, dude, like, and card shops, a lot of card shops are like that. I turned a million dollars to inventory into five million. I'm like, well, you didn't.

Like, you didn't. The card market did. So, like, you know, and man, some of those guys, it goes right to their ego. And I'm like, you actually didn't do anything. You sat there and did nothing and made money. So, which is great for them. But, you know, it's not like a feather in their cap that they did it. They did it because that's what they did.

Yes. So, you know, that Yokage came out of a Tops Chrome update, a value box. We had another value box moment. It wasn't a hobby box. It wasn't, you know, Breaker's Delight. It wasn't a mega box, another value box. I don't even think you can call them. Well, I guess you could.

Pretty good value for the box. That's good value. Yeah, we hit the, called a frozen fractor holding this up. It's negative one out of zero. Clever. I like that of Kyrie Irving. And there's no comps on the Kyrie yet. estimate like worst case two grand best case seven grand it's like all over the map uh i'm realistic

it doesn't matter it was more than it than we earned with the price paid but uh you know how many what is it negative numbered to negative one out of zero but so they make five of each five okay so i do negative one negative two so this is first on print really cool looking card it looks like an ice you know, hologram type, you know, parallel. And these are really cool. And I didn't realize, I knew it was a taste hit, maybe something I didn't know how quite rare they were. And then it seems to be all the chatter, like,

for the sort of SSSSP. See, I appreciate the creativity that would, because I think a lot of chase cards kind of lack that creativity, but I think that that one, like, deserve it, you know? That one's a good one. Yeah, I do. And I think we talked about set collecting earlier. And it really is baseball people that want to get the 60 set in 72 and 74.

But what I want to collect when money is not an issue at all is these sets. Like I want to go and get the insert sets and get every one of them. And I want them in PSA 10s. And like this would be a perfect set to like, you know, over the years collect. I think that would be. that's what I like to do. Yeah, I agree. And I mean, I like the downtowns or caboons, like having all those out of a singer.

And then, you know, when, and I don't know, like the prices are sort of, like, having all the gold downtowns of a certain, you know, like, I wouldn't mind having it. Like, Josh Allen, the only reason I didn't hold on to the gold Josh Allen I got was pretty much because I would only be satisfied if I had all 10 of, or 10 made. There you go. And so it would have just turned into a really expensive exercise. So I decided to be profitable in the moment. To sell it.

To sell it because I would have just said, I don't want anyone else to have one. That's really funny. I mean, it's true. That's what went through my head. I'm like, I don't know if I'll actually keep this one. Everybody's like,

this is your favorite player? You want to keep up? Like, yeah, because I don't really want to have what would have been probably, you know, 200 grand, 150 grand tied up in Josh Allen, gold downtown.

Okay, I have to ask. Whether I can or not, I just don't really didn't want it because I probably would have. Out of like recent sets, what's like the one card that you've seen that you're like, I really want that insert or that SSB? Mm-hmm. I, the, I talk out both sides of my mouth. That's what makes me good at talking, yes. That's my wife says.

side of the mouth you talking on. The All Kings, Josh Allen, black, like in the new top's 25, six football, is a pretty juicy card, you know. Yeah. You got to, don't open a value box. I mean, you can't.

Suppose the rate's higher out of the value. They got to do that. I just need to stop and just open some value boxes of it. Because it's been hot on the basketball, you know. Yeah, maybe. But no, that's card is. pretty sweet. It's the new one. But

something I've seen that's like totally caught my eye. I mean, I like the alter egos, the different ones. Well, you've already hit that, so. I know, but I haven't hit all of them. Brian, what card would you want to hit? Are those the magas? Yeah. Magnus? Manga. Yeah.

They're cool. They're cool. So those are cards that I think would be really cool. I tried to buy the Erlocker one and have him sign it, but I missed out on it. But yeah, I think that would be the card I'd want. Okay. I really, I think it would be more fun. Like, I don't, right now they're kind of going for crazy numbers. But the Tops Chrome update minion cards, I just think they're really fun.

Yeah, they are fun. I think they're fun. The Disney Print. I know, I know. I'm the face. Minions aren't Disney. I just think, like, imagine just, like, opening the pack and then you just see a minion. Like, I feel like it would catch you so off guard that, like, it would just make it extra

exciting, you know? I think it would be really funny to be around the table and someone's like, I have an idea. Minion. And, like, everyone just, you know, half of the room looks at you like you're fucking crazy. The other one's like, wait a second. But, like, all the ideas, like, the negative card that you have and someone's like, minions? Well, I mean, the

Steph Curry, like his iconic, like sleeping, whatever they call it, the base minion of that, I mean, it is a short print, but base version of it, just sold for over $20,000. So, hey, it was a pretty lucrative idea.

It worked. Did they release how many they make of the SP and SSPs? They released that. I don't know. You know, like, I don't ever see it. It's not numbered. That's what I would want to know.

Like, how do they make? Can't they make another one next year? Exactly. Or if they do, do they reprints of this stuff, Brian? Like, oh, God, I hate reprints. Don't even say that word. But do they do it at all in sports? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. And so, like, I always wonder how that works. The math gets, but I know they can't make more, they can't have two of the same gold floating around. There'd be a conspiracy of all, you know, But the SPs and SSPs could be coming SSP lights. But if it becomes too common on the secondary market, then people, I think, would catch on.

Like, there has to be some sort of. They would to a degree if it, like, doubled. But you might get increased it 20% and not. I don't know. If someone aggregated like the sales, the recent sales and it got, you know, the list got long, I think people then. Yes. And if people research that, that would affect.

it for sure. I think they got too much on the line to be that skinny. Yeah. Yes. But I feel like they definitely, you know, if they have cards out of 50, I think they definitely release, you know, 25 of them in wave one and 25 in wave two. I think they have to. Yeah.

I don't think it's completely random. Yeah, it's not random. Yeah. And to play conspiracy theory. I think that they also knew what they were doing, releasing the Cooper flag logo man early and not holding it. Why? Well, because they, you know, they wanted to hype up the product more. And if they released it too late, then.

I don't know. I just wondered if it would have driven more demand, not the reverse of that. Like, people still thinking, I got a shot at it. I mean, you were pretty, like, delusional thinking that they got a shot at it. The price of the product is really. haven't changed that much. No. I think there's enough hits in it.

Yeah. What I would do is I would, if I pulled it, I would be, I would keep it so quiet. And I just, I would just buy all the wax that exist and just hang out to the wax for a year or two. And then be like, hey, the logo man's still out there. And people are now paying two grand a box. Yeah. And then sell the wax. It's never been hit.

It's still out there. You have inside information. That'd be pretty funny. You know, they've done with some of these cards that have. never surfaced. Like, there's a couple of pretty big name, like Stephs and otherwise. Like, not so sure that's not what's happened. Yep.

All right. Any final thoughts? Uh, no. That was a lot of information. I feel like we really had a great show. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Um, and, you know, we got like a week and a half until football is back, baby. I know. I'm ready for it. I'm like, it's like slow. It's in some ways the year's moving quick. But the, the troll, they like twill to get to football season is real. So I'm ready for it. It's here. It is here. It is now. We're excited. Still waiting for my ticket to Death Valley, but. Yeah. There's the first game is in the other Death Valley at LSU. We'll see. We'll see how that goes. Could be tough. We'll find out where we stand. But we appreciate Brian, L-U-D-E-X, LuddX in the App Store. Go check them out. Best card-scanning app on the planet.

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