Collector Nation - Why Trading Cards Are Your Next Investment | Jeremy Aisenberg Interview

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

SUMMARY In this episode of the "Trading Cards and Collectibles Podcast," host Ryan Alford interviews Jeremy Aisenberg, founder of Talent Brand Labs and lifelong sports card enthusiast. Jeremy shares his journey in the hobby, discusses the evolution of trading cards from the 1980s to today, and explores how collecting blends fandom, business, and innovation. The conversation covers industry changes, the impact of grading and digital trends, and Jeremy’s work launching SI.com Collectibles. Listeners gain insights into the hobby’s growth, community, and future, with stories highlighting collecting’s personal and cultural significance.   TAKEAWAYS Evolution and growth of the trading card hobby Personal journey of a longtime collector and sports marketing professional Historical context of the trading card industry, particularly the 1990s Impact of competition and licensing deals on innovation in the market Importance of grading services for trust and transparency in collectibles Intersection of physical and digital collecting Role of sports cards in teaching business and e-commerce concepts Development of dedicated platforms for collecting content, such as SI.com Collectibles Innovative projects and partnerships expanding the hobby's reach Community and unifying aspects of sports fandom and collecting

Part of how we grow the hobby and bring more people into this as a way to make fans stickier to their teams and the leagues and sports is collecting. When the licenses were being held by Upper Deck and Tops and Fleer and Donneros in the 90s, it sparked a lot of innovation. Welcome to the Trading Cards and Collectibles podcast on the Radcast Network. From Chasing Grails to Colin Bluffs and going inside the hobby. Are you ready to collect? Let's get at it. Here is your host, Ryan Alford. What's up guys?

I can admit when I'm doing guilty pleasure, but I'm doing guilty pleasures that you need to know about because this is part of our trading card series. We had Brian Ludden from Luddex on. We've got one of the biggest collectors in the Southeast that's coming on. We've got some other big names. And that's why I went to Jeremy. Jeremy Eisenberg.

He is. not only, you know, an OG trading card guy, talent brand labs, founder, and I think just a sports junkie. Is that what it is, Jeremy? That's fair. Sports has been a big part of my life since I, as long as I can remember. Jeremy, I do. I did go through like your background and Brian shared a little bit, but I was like, you know, and I got blessed to work on, you know, Verizon's and some big names.

We did some sports sponsorship stuff. But it was to say that my backgrounds in sports. brand, marketing all that, would not be painting the, I'd say more wireless and tech. But I read yours and I go, who wouldn't grow up and go? I want to be that. That's what I thought when I was reading through your kind of bylines and everything you've done. I've been lucky, man. That's all I can say.

I didn't necessarily, it wasn't the plan. I was getting a PhD in genetics and took a leave of absence and ended up working for one of the most influential people in golf. And that was a quick PhD of business. And where that entrepreneurial first step has taken me in the last 20 years is someday I'll write a book. It's been, I pinch myself. It's been an amazing journey.

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You need to name that name, though. And our listeners that knows, if you even golf and maybe not golf, you'll recognize this name we talked before. Might be one of the first influencers in golf, wasn't he? David Ledbetter. Yeah. When I think about, I was lucky enough to go work for a guy who recognized that his opportunity to leverage his influence and the attention.

he was able to generate across his own channels and through businesses he owned and controlled. He built an instructor certification business, a brick and mortar academy business, a product licensing business, a product development business, a content distribution business, and all before the introduction of social media. And so I took that experience working for David and learning from him and seeing how important it was to over-deliver value. I took all these great lessons and got to work over 18 years for one of the largest agencies in the world and apply that personal branding to this explosion of digital and social content and democratization of distribution. And it's taking me in all sorts

of exciting directions, some of which hopefully we'll get to chat about. It's been fascinating for me, but I think especially for you, I'm sure, Jeremy, that whole journey watching, what's happened in this explosion of all these channels, you know, TV, online, social media, YouTube, now TikTok, Instagram, all these things with the people and brands that you've worked with. I'd love to dive down that little bit, you know, not telling kind of your story, because you kind of came up through it all. I always felt like I was representing challenger brands, so to speak, because, you know, I wasn't represent the agency that I wear for Octa. We had Michael Phelps, we had Steph Curry, but I was representing, you know, coaches and broadcasters in golf.

Now, you know, where golf had this great advantage was, you know, the people who distribute content related to playing better golf have an outsized amount of influence over their audience. You know, if someone is promising, you know, better, better scores, lower handicap, more fun playing golf, they're basically promising them, you know, a dopamine high, right? So I was able to, what I've said to a lot of big technologists is golf is this incredible test kitchen for, you know, new innovative technology. You know, when Microsoft was looking at how the augmented reality world might come into play in business, they used golf courses as the way to visualize and bring that to the business community through a PJTor partnership. But, you know, you're able to use HoloLens and see how, you know, this holographic type interface works. And it was a great example of where golf's influence and the pyramid of that influence is so powerful.

And why I've been able to be, you know, as someone like Hank Haney was written up in Wall Street Journal in 2011 as the most authentic user of Twitter in the world, not just the golf guy, but in the world. Because, you know, we were out there trying to find ways to showcase, you know, our content in, as many channels as we could, we could. And whether that's through augmented reality or whether that's through, you know, podcasts or through, you know, OTT subscriptions, you know, Hank, Hank had a, you know, very significant, you know, eight million or excuse me, eight figure business, you know, 10 million plus business, uh, a month doing online content subscriptions, um, you know, because again, that, that insatiable appetite for, uh, game,

improvement is undying. So my, you know, the premise has held true and guys like Gary V have been, you know, both friends and sort of influences as well is, you know, the bottom line is you got to put your message in as many places as the potential audience might be. And the gatekeeping, you know, makes sense in certain, you know, spots. But really, you know, ubiquitous omnichannel content distribution authentically and organically is, is the answer. And then if you've got the goods, you can achieve a lot. How did this the trading card thing? I mean, where did that enter?

Obviously, and you'll talk about, you know, as a kid and stuff, you know, like we, a lot of us have the kid stories. But where did that intersection happen in the career? Yeah, so I collected like everybody. I stopped collecting. I was born in the late 70s, collected in the, you know, mid, late 80s, sort of put them all away in the early 90s and got into Nirvana and Pearl Jam and went to college and got married. and had kids and started. Sounds familiar.

And then I woke up and I was 30-something. And I, maybe my folks, you know, maybe take more of the cards home. You know, but like probably right about the time I got to Octagon, 2006, 2007. I sort of saw cards line around the office. And, you know, we started representing big stars. And I'm thinking,

huh, I wouldn't mind getting a basketball sign by David Robinson. And it started kind of, I'm in the sports marketing business at this point. And I've been, you know, on private jets with Hall of Fame athletes. And, you know, may as not to ask for autographs. So it's sort of, it's this, you know, it's going to get the benefit. Like, right, you're there, right? I have a great story. And it just shows you what an amazing human.

This guy is. And everybody's probably got a good one of these with Charles Barkley. But I was so talk about like a forest gum kind of life. But I was very fortunate. to get to become very good friends with Charles when Hank Haney filmed the Haney project. I was on site for most of the, you know, production days over six months and ended up being Charles's dinner date for, you know, quiet, you know, nights after a long day of filming. And, you know, Charles used to say when somebody would be coming up to the table, he'd be like, I finally I said,

you're so, you're so kind to these guys. You never say no. You're always, you know, chipper. How, how do you do it? And he goes, man, it's going to take me the same 15 seconds either way. And this guy's going to go around for the rest of his life and say I was either a jerk or I was a great guy. And for me, it's the same amount of time to blow them off or to be nice. And, you know, that just gives you a lot of respect for how hard it is for them to find, you know, peace and quiet.

And, you know, the bigger the star, the harder that is. And, you know, I got to see that close and personal. But at the same time, you know, collecting is such a. fun, fun aspect of being a fan. And so I got that it just got scratched again. You know, I might have mentioned this when we were chatting.

I mean, Michael Rubin deserves all credit in the world for, for his identifying, you know, collectors as the best fans. And in order to, you know, I really believe that this hobby is in its infancy

from a growth perspective. And I, yeah, while at Octagon, we did some really cool research into the hobby to illustrate that. Part of how we grow the, the hobby and bring more people into this

as a way to not just grow the hobby, but to make fans stickier to their teams and the leagues and the sports is collecting. It's clearly acknowledged now by, you know, I'm just talking to the NHL about, you know, the opportunity to engage young fans through collecting. It's sort of identified now as one of the pillars. And the, you know, the growth trajectory for collecting in general is pretty exciting. And, you know, one of the things we'll talk about is what we've built in partnership with Sports Illustrated and Authentic Brands Group and Minute Media who are our partners in the Sports Illustrated collectibles business. Yeah.

Everybody's got their hands that they know, like the collectibles, you know, realm and the trading cards, they see the smart people are connecting the dots and building units, you know, around how you connect all these things together and how you leverage it to, you know, keep fans being fans. And, you know, I think the smart, the winners are going to, you know, not that they'll necessarily be losers. I don't know if there's any losers. I won't go that far, but there's definitely going to be some big winners. And it's hard not, it's had some rocky moments, I think, the fanatics and tops. There's been some stuff. but you can't deny that it feels directionally right is my observation.

You know, they're opening the tent wider, right? The Fanag's Fest, we went to the first Fanag's Fest. It was awesome. Couldn't have been a more fun, entertaining experience for casual sports fans. There were plenty of areas that they were the first to recognize they can make improvements on. And I'm excited for what they'll do in the event space. And I think healthy competition is good. And Panini's not going anywhere and Upper Decks not going anywhere.

Did that deal need to happen, though? Pardon? The Panini tops. Did that deal need to happen, though? Would it have been better for the industry? You know, it's a great question. I think it would be better for the industry to have more than one license. I think competition is great.

think when the licenses were being held by, you know, upper deck and tops and, and Fleer and Donneros in the, you know, 90s, it sparked a lot of innovation. You think about some of the great old vintage install.

You know, insert sets of the late 90s and in early 2000s are some of the most collectible cards on the planet. You know, that's the, you know, pinnacle of upper decks, you know,

early work in memorabilia cards and autographs. And still to this day, when I show some of the trading card innovation to people who've been out of trading cards for a while, they're blown away by what's happened. And the collectability and the tentacles into art and into serious game-use memorabilia to museum quality pieces and investment funds looking at this. stuff through the lens of alternative asset classes. It's, you know, 30, not related to my background as a geneticist, but 35% of us are genetically predisposed to want to collect stuff. Sort of remnants of. Yeah, the human condition a little bit, you know, like that fine line

between collecting and hoarding. I think the tide is rising on collecting because collecting is the ultimate, you know, expression of fandom. And fandom is one of those last safe spaces where we can all come together and cheer on a team and not be angry at each other for something else. Yeah, I know. Everything is so polarizing. It's black and light, you know, like, I mean, but in sports, you kind of, it feels like you can, I mean, you're always rooting for one team or the other, but it just feels,

it's different than, you know, the shit that's out there that is just, maddening and polarizing. I don't feel like fandom is polarizing. It's just fandom. Almost every Republican and Democrat in Boston can agree on the fact that they want the Red Sox to kick the crap out of the Yankees. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They come together and where you can start to bring people together,

you can find the opportunity, right? So sports has been that. And like I said, I've been so fortunate to be able to be on the journey I've taken. And, you know, this platform we built with Sports Illustrated, you know, I chased the SI leadership for years. You know, they are an iconic brand, not just in sports, but also in collecting. And the thing that I observed through my years at Octagon, where I mentioned I did some

consulting work for Tops, we identified that LAPS collect, collect, were this huge universe of people coming with kids and ready to to rediscover the hobby. You know, I was, I was able to help broker the deal between Gary Vaynerchuk and Tops to create a, to create a insert set within 2019 Top Series 2 around the best entrepreneurs in baseball. and Gary was very adamant. He wanted Tops, we proposed to Tops developing a collaboration with Gary around a, what they were doing, branded sets, direct-to-consumer custom branded sets. And they launched the first one with Bryce Harper.

It was a big success. And they were looking at subjects to do the next one with. And we said, well, maybe you should, you should take a look at Gary Vaynerchuk. He's obsessed with cards. And, you know, now it could be a perfect opportunity. And they took it. and put a really fun set together that unlocked, you know, Gary's universe to the latest and greatest of modern sports cards.

And, you know, lots happened since then in the hobby as well. But, you know, one of the things that was missing all through that journey, long-winded here, was a major sports media platform that was paying attention to the hobby. And that's what we were able to convince us to move forward with. Talk to me about, you know, what S. is doing, you know, like I think, when you think about the collectibles, it's so ironic. Old Sports Illustrated magazine, like one of the most collected things, like, you know,

for sports fans, especially. Like, I've got, I'm not even, I just in the last six months have gotten back into collecting cards. And I, but I wouldn't consider myself like a lifelong collector. But I am when I go, I've got like 10 or 20, you know, Sports Illustrated, I've had a whole I've gone over the years and summer autographs and I went to Clemsons. I got some Davosweeney and Deshawn Watson, you know, like that meant more a few years ago, but we won't go down that road.

But anyway, it is what it is. But it just fits. So talk to me about what Sports Illustrated and you've been doing. Yeah. What is that division exactly? Well, so, you know, when Sports Illustrated said, yeah, we're into the idea of, building a hobby vertical, the first thing we did was was built out a team. And we hired a, so I have two partners in this collaboration with SI, guy named Chris Perone, who was the,

had previously been the general manager of SI at Arena Group and was my partner in helping us to launch the idea initially. And then come full circle, minute media was interested in the opportunity to do the same thing. And we were able to launch SI.com slash, collectibles and you know why that's significant is that the s i.com domain is one of the oldest and and most um trafficked in on the internet and most has the highest one of the highest domain authorities on the internet you know and sort of how google ranks sites and drives traffic so yeah what is it 99 like i don't know it's really yeah that's guys i'm sure it starts with the nine you know and so we just get traffic when we have interesting content so our our challenge was just making

making content about the hobby that people would be interested in reading. And we've built a staff of now over 15 really dedicated, talented writers, all hardcore hobbyists that have expertise in different verticals. And we're publishing on average 10 pieces a day. We're up to now over half a million unique readers a month. and, you know, to, you know, 750,000 to a million unique views a month, article views a month, which are good numbers. And we're only into our fourth or fifth month.

But it gives us, it's the largest by a factor of 10 among hobby content channels, just, again, because of the nature of domain authority. And so that's given us the opportunity to invest even further in original content. And we're developing series featuring collectors and really celebrating people's collections. And we're going to give us a dad and his four sons. Like that sounds like a story or video or something. You know, he's going to create your own email you after a call. And especially if your collection is featured in Lennox, you know, we can showcase that.

Yes, it is. That's exactly what we're doing there. And, you know, we're doing fun things with the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the journey of collectibles from sort of discovery. So think about sports collectible version of Antique Roadshow. So we've got some fun ideas in the hopper for video. And, you know, a lot of things up our sleeve that we're excited about. Yeah, it's super smart, Jeremy.

It's like, okay, this just fits. There's sometimes you hear something. You're like, okay, I don't know about that. This is just like, it wasn't already happening. It was really surprising, man. Yeah. Yeah. The very first Sports Illustrated had a whole, you know, pullout of 1954 Tops design in the issue,

the famous issue of Eddie Matthews, 1954. So collecting is sort of in the DNA of the brand. And, you know, we all have heard or collect the Sports Illustrator for kids cards that, you know, are the first appearance of so many icons that, you know, don't, you know, don't necessarily get a card in the traditional releases. You know, the hobby's done a great job of making cards for all of these alternative sports athletes coming in from different directions.

And, you know, fortunately, they paid a lot of attention to women's sports. So a lot of the great legends of women's sports have cards. Some of their only rookie cards or early appearances were in SI for Kids, which is unfortunate, but at least they had cards thanks to Sports Illustrator, which is part of S-I.'s legacy. Yeah, I remember those.

I don't have any of those. There's still some good ones. As I understand, Victor Webb & Yama's card from a year and a half ago or so, it's still, you know, pretty pricey. For our audience, you know, that's either in, you know, maybe collectors or hearing more about this industry, it's hard. And Brian and I talked about this, but just how big this industry. is and just how popular.

And at the same time, it'll make your head spin, try and get your head around every parallel. Like everything else, like, good grief. It's like, I don't even know where to start with the actual cards themselves, but it's fun. Yeah, that's part of what S.I. I was going to be doing here with content is celebrating collectors and celebrating their individual collections and showcasing all the different ways that collectors collect. And that's a pretty broad spectrum of embodiments of collections. I personally collect vintage Red Sox guys. So I collect Ted Williams and Carl Usternsky. And if you ask what are the cards I would never part

with? It's about a hundred, give or take, vintage Red Sox cards. And, you know, the rest is, is sort of fun stuff that I like to own. I've got some Roger Clemens rookies. I mean, that was in my like come up time. Like, uh, we're also when they got overprinted a little bit. I don't know,

they're pretty good condition now, right? Yeah. Yeah. You took good care of them and that's another whole element that's, you know, there was a lot of resistance to grading when I remember first coming, you know, into the scene in the early 90s,

uh, you know, when I was still an avid collector without a driver's license. but you know it was sort of like what is this you know third-party grading but it's really it's it's done it serves such an important role in the growth of collecting because of the trust factor that it's it's injected into what was previously a pretty challenging environment when it comes to trust you know in cards and collective condition grading it was really a big roadblock to to the growth that's happened.

You know, I started my eBay account in 1998. So I guess I was still dabbling, you know, in college with buying and selling collectibles. But, you know, the card you would purchase in lots. I thought I had it beat. Mine's 2001.

That's 100% feedback. And 2001, my kids saw that when we got back into it. We were selling us and buying a few things on eBay. They were like, you know, doing, I mean, these, my kids are, you know, four boys. under the age of 15 and it's like see in 2001 so my eBay account was start. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great date stamp.

It's one of those fun like, you know, what's your Uber rating? Yeah, when you start? Yeah, exactly. I don't know if it just ages us or if it's definitely some cred in the buying circles. Yeah, Gary Vaynerchuk and I talk about the AOL chat rooms. You know, I used to buy and sell them there in 1992 and 93. you know 90 90 yeah 92 3 um i grew up in northern virginia where aOL was it was headquartered and they put they put a DVD in your mailbox every oh yeah back then i remember that my parents got it

i was loading it on their computer i remember it you know and that that noise oh that dial-up man yeah yeah little did we know what was on the other end of that dial-up line yeah yeah exactly or do you see the industry going and what's your thoughts on the NFTs and the digital space. Like, I, you can't fight it. It's coming.

I like to think it's an or, you know, like, and not like, I don't know, make your choice. I mean, but I'll let you hit on it.

Yeah, it's a complicated one. And so there's so many different directions to pull it into, you know, I think that these, these digital worlds, digital communities, you know,

the success of, of platforms like Roblox, and where that's going to be headed and, you know, the, the worlds that can be built within these platforms. You know, I'm reluctant to cast judgment on a lot of this tech that is, you know, just really being, you know, understood how it can be used effectively. You know, I hate to, don't hate. Gary's definitely an influence on me. But, you know, he made a big point with, with his. his NFT launched to bring real world tangible value to his buyers because he was certain of one thing.

And that was that the journey of these things was going to be long and bumpy. And he wanted to make sure that there was value extended no matter what. So look, I think that blockchains, I know enough about cybersecurity to understand the value proposition of blockchain. and why that's a new security protocol that people like and can rely on and can provide things that security experts like, like chain of custody kind of insight. But, yeah, I'm hardly an expert on predicting what the commercial markets will look like. I think, you know, I come back to, you know, what is the evolution of the fan experience and how is it actually impacting fans now and how will that change?

And there's a lot of real things. There's, you know, ticketing uses. There's definitely collectability that's a legacy of, you know, what happened during the explosion. And it's starting to come back through some types of utility. I think it's early, early days. You know, I'm sure that, you know, people will start putting back puzzles that they were working on with the interconnectivity of these worlds as they start getting traction. There was a really interesting group in golf that was sell. selling a one of these distributed network owned membership organizations.

And you were going to have access to a golf course. And I think they went out and bought a golf course. But your ownership was embodied through the NFT. You know, I think that'll, I'm excited to see where that goes. And excited to see how I might be able to test it in some of the work that I do. Yeah. I mean, I see the value that my kids put in digital things. I mean, you know, we've got the physical car.

I don't think it's replacing, like I said, I don't think they're choosing one of the over the other, but I have been surprised because I kind of panned when the whole metaverse and all that stuff was happening during COVID, I panned all of it. And I don't want to say I was right, but I was right in that moment that that was a flash in the pan. It's not that I didn't think it's coming one day. You can't fight, you know, technology and progress. but I think a lot of that stuff's crashed and burned because it didn't really have a core, solid core. It was just kind of very glitzy in the moment. But I do see the value, even in like Fortnite, what their character has on and how much they'll spend for that.

And that that cachet means something. And it's so there's value even in digital assets that the younger generation have, right? It's part of youth culture now for sure is some digital expression, you know, what they're sharing on their social channels on their TikToks and and who they're interacting with. And, you know, that community of influence that they've, you know, embraced, you know, in their content consumption patterns, you know, where they're going for content and who they're going for, too, for expertise. and yeah, I think that that continues to evolve. And I think there's a big place for digital stuff in the future of our population. I think smart companies and smart creators are going to find ways. But I'll tell you what, there's nothing like the thrill opening that physical pack.

And, you know, holding the cards. I mean, call me old school. but, you know, and now how beautiful the cards are and the designs and all that, that's a hard experience to replace it. I don't know that it has to replace it. I think it's, you know, again, and not or, you know, in that regard. You still open packs. Are you following what they're doing with sort of these real-world repacks that you open online? I'm not sure if it's arena group or one of the arena club.

Oh, yeah. Like, literally, I mean, whether it breaks and whatnot and all that. Yeah. We have our own whatnot channel. Like, we've sold 500 items already. Like, we're in it, man. We are in it. That's why Brian sending me the Lodux crew here.

We can't get our whatnot sponsored by Lodex or something. You know, that's what we get S-I involved. Like, you know, the RAD collective, that's us. The RADRIPs. Rad Collective and I own breakingrad.com. Are you kidding me? We need to talk. So we are working on a really cool breaking content initiative with one of the biggest companies in the world. And we should talk about what we can do. Yeah, man, that would be fun. It's a fun industry. And it's, look, it's brought my sons and I close up. I'm not sure to how all these companies.

And my kids, no, I do podcasting. No, I know, I have like some influence online. and all that, but they haven't really cared. But once the, we got to, I'm teaching them business through the sports cards now, you know, like how to, we got our own Shopify site that I've built and showed them how to build and like e-com and social and then whatnot and all like, you know, it's like giving me an avenue to teach some things that I would have liked to teach them through what I do every day, but it's meeting them on, you know, a grounds that they like. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. My buddies at Big Night Entertainment Group started Card Vault a few years ago. It was a fun side project during the pandemic. They had all these nightclubs and bars that were shut down. And they figured they could entertain people by doing breaks on these stages. And they built a business. And lo and behold, they're now partners with Tom Brady

and scaling Card Vault by Tom Brady all over the. country and that'll bring you know so many new collectors to to the game who will you know see that that name and the way that they're merchandising the hobby and you know next thing you know we've got a new collector going on their own fun journey and embodying their passion for their sport so um it's a really exciting time a lot of big companies private equity venture capital are putting resources into into the space. I think it will continue. It's one of the, you know, true, ubiquitous passions, you know,

that's enjoyed globally. It really truly is a global, a global hobby. You know, the NBA is collected in just about every corner of the connected world. So, yeah, man. It's exciting stuff. Jeremy, where can everybody keep up with what you're doing with Sports Illustrated and you in general? Yeah, on Instagram.

I'm J-A-I-S-E-N-B-E-R-G at Jaysenberg. I'm at Talent Brand Labs, www. www. www.com. And, you know, just keep an eye on s-I-com slash collectibles for all sorts of fun, new content. I love it, man. Made a lot of sense. They were smart to listen to you and, you know,

the rest of your team that was kind of pushing this. So it makes a lot of sense and can't wait to kind of keep up with the content that you guys are doing and hey maybe maybe the rad collective fits in there somewhere i think we should talk about that but have your people called my people yeah i know i think i know you we'll exchange numbers yeah we definitely yeah hey guys you know to find us ryan is right dot com we'll find the highlight clips the links to all of jeremy's social his website uh you know brands sponsorship partnerships hey you know you'd call you call jeremy and look go check out sports illustrate its new collect backslash collectibles.

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