Crime in Sports - #102 - Lies Can Be Deadly - The Wholesomeness of Trevis Smith

Episode Date: January 15, 2018

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And we'll get all that cash. And we can't not thank you guys enough for that. We really, really can't. Hope you enjoyed last week's craziness. What in the fuck? Keon Clark's insanity. What the shit? Such a bummer.

Well, I know. You were on a route for him. You did. And he just keeps messing up and you're like, you complete idiot. You. That's all you say. You just go, you. How could you? We have some crazy episodes coming up by the way. We have a lot. We have in a few weeks our next football player. I'll just, I usually

don't tell you what future episodes are, but our next football player is going to be Todd Marinovich. Great. And that is a crazy episode. Wonderful. That's going to be insanity. And a lot of people have asked for it, and I've been wanting to do it for a long time. It's honestly one of those where I'm like, oh, God, that's just so much. That's such a mountain of research.

And I've done ones that have been more research than that, but that's stuck in my head as, for some reason, a huge mountain to climb. I love it. But we're going to get Todd Marinovich in a couple weeks. We have all sorts of wild ones lined up. It's going to be a huge mountain to climb. I love it. But we're going to get Todd Marinovich in a couple weeks. We have all sorts of wild ones lined up. It's going to be a crazy year for us. Keep getting requests for Chamorro, too. Yes. He's coming.

Relax. That's the thing. We get a lot of requests for some of the bigger guys. They're all coming. Believe me. I have planned out for the next few months, Tanya Harding's getting an episode. Oh, great. It's not just the Nancy Kerrigan knee bashing.

She keeps going. There's so much more white trash fun there to be had. It's not just the Nancy Kerrigan knee bashing. There's so much more. She keeps going. So much more white trash fun there to be had. It's not even funny. We're going to have that. We're going to do Lawrence Taylor. I hope it's funny. Everybody's been asking me about goddamn Lawrence Taylor.

Yes, we'll do one of my heroes. We'll do Lawrence Taylor. We'll break James' heart. We'll do that. We're going to have a couple of wrestlers lined up because we've been asking for more wrestlers. And by the way, shout out to Colt Cabana. Thank him for always plugging us in.

What a guy. Thanks. Good guy there. Go listen to his podcast. It's pretty good stuff if you're into wrestling and that sort of thing. But never mind all of that, Jimmy. Good Lord, do we have a story for you that could choke an elephant today. Woof.

It is Travis Smith. Not Travis Smith. What? Travis with an E. All right. First, right away you hate him, don't you? Yes. Because his name is Travis.

Right. Like, no, I'm sorry. That's not a name. I just tell everyone I was Travis. Yeah. That's my name. Just don't worry about it. Well, that's what somebody tried to name him.

Travis. No, there's a lot of Trevises out there. I wonder if possibly we'll find a couple other Trevises in the world later on in the episode. There might be a couple. We'll see. I don't know. What the fuck is a Travis? later on in the episode.

There might be a couple. We'll see. I don't know. What the fuck is a Travis? Travis Smith is this young man that we're discussing here. Born on August 9th, 1976. He is born in Montgomery, Alabama. He's a southern guy here. Grows up big, too.

Grows up to be six foot tall, 235 pounds. Like an athlete. Like an athlete. Like somebody we would cover on this show right here. So he's down in Alabama. He played high school football. Okay. Like you do in Alabama when you're 235 pounds and athletic at all.

He played for Robert E. Lee High School. Oh, my God. So that is the second week in a row with a high school being named after a Confederate general. That's two in a row. Keon played for Stonewall Jackson High, I believe. So we're's two in a row. He unplayed for Stonewall Jackson. That's right. I believe. So we're going up in rank here.

Somebody messaged me and thought that Stonewall Jackson was Andrew Jackson. No, no. Completely, completely different guy. That's hysterical. Way different. Stonewall Jackson was a badass general. He was. He was actually a really amazing. He was a pretty awful person, too, though.

But an amazing general as far as military strategy. I'm a Civil War buff, so those guys. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. I look at them about their, you know, what were they like to their people rather than awful in the scheme of the world. Right. We're going for trying, making bad things happen.

But for the time, it was accepted. Just if you're, yeah, as far as military generalship goes, he's a good general. Okay. So anyway, he's a good general. So anyway, he's very much into sports. He's just all into sports. He's a good kid in high school. I thought we were still talking about Jackson. No, no.

Very well into sports. Stonewall Jackson was an incredible high school basketball player. He was a shooting guard. He averaged 12.4 points his sophomore year, but 21 assists, Jimmy. He was on fire with the dishes. Stonewall Jackson coming through. Stonewall from the top of the key. You don't hear that very often.

Somebody please nickname yourself Stonewall so I can hear that once. Down the sideline, it's Stonewall Jackson. He's broken away, everybody. If there is a lady out there pregnant right now who thinks that possibly her child is athletic and her last name is Jackson, name that little motherfucker Stonewall. Please, or at least call him Stonewall from the time he's born. Throw every basketball, football, baseball,

every sport at that kid. Tie him to a tree and pelt him with balls and see which ones he catches. Let's put it that way. And make that fucker play. Because I want to hear that one time. One time. Catch made by Stonewall. One time.

Never going to happen. Catch made by Stonewall, and that's the third out. And the third out, yeah. Stonewall turns that double play like nobody's business. Stonewall at the warning track. Now, a schoolmate of his, a guy named Brian Blackman, said that, quote, he was always in the sports crowd, never got into any trouble. That's just what everybody says about him. Everybody has nothing but good to say about him.

His Robert E. Lee football coach, Spence McCracken. You betcha. His name is Spence McCracken. I love Spence McCracken. Spence sounds like a verb right there. Yeah, it does. He Spenced your McCracken. He Spenced me. He Spensed me

right in the McCracken. I didn't like it at all. He said, quote, about Smith, he did a great job for me. He was a great kid. He didn't say much. A real quiet guy. He just led by example. Okay.

So this is all good things that we're hearing so far. Yeah. It's not like, well, you know, he was doing armed robberies when he was 12, like some of the people we've talked about here. Right. Of everybody that old Spence, can't call it, old Spence. This is. Spence McCracken. The only thing he can do is be a football

coach down there. That's it. He was born and named for it. This is ridiculous. High school football coaching in the South. That's it. In Alabama. He was given a tiny whistle for his first birthday. And a pair of short shorts. For sure.

He said, Spence said, of his 27-year coaching career that Travis is in the top 10 for both ability and attitude. Wow. So he cannot say enough good things about him. He says that he recalls one game Spence does when Smith, who, Spence is a linebacker, by the way. He plays linebacker. Smith asked if he could kick a ball off you know doing kicking and so they kick off from the 40 40 yard line and he kicked it through the opponent's upright upright yeah so he did like you know an nfl kickoff basically wow through that so

he's an athlete yeah just in general if you got a guy who can play linebacker and then be like i think i can kick that ball and go in and just boot at 70 yards. That's an athlete. That's nothing else. And he's a good kid. He's got a great head on his shoulders and he's respectful and nice. He's not out raping cheerleaders and shit. No, there is no, not even a single accusation of cheerleader rape. Unbelievable.

Not one. Wow. Which is, that's, you know what, nowadays, let's really call it for what it is. He deserves an award for that. That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. That's not bad. He could earn himself a scummy for that for finest young man coming out.

He ought to earn a scholarship for not doing it. He did, and as a matter of fact, shockingly enough, he does earn a scholarship, Jimmy. He earns a scholarship, goes to the University of Alabama. My Christ, he's doing great. He's going to a powerhouse. He's from Alabama. He's a good football player. So good. He's going to a powerhouse. Yeah. He's from Alabama. Yeah. He's a good football player.

So good that he's going to the University of Alabama. Wow. Seems like that would be like the dream for a high school football kid growing up in Alabama, unless they were an Auburn fan, whatever. But Alabama seems like the way to be. Seems like the way to go. And he goes to Alabama, commits there. Good for him.

I mean, at this point, you're happy for this guy. Shit, yeah. I am anyway. I don't know. Some people out there might be like, fuck him. But there's at this point, you're happy for this guy. Shit, yeah. I am anyway. I don't know. Some people out there might be like, fuck him. But there's not really a reason to hate him right now, right? Later on, there will be. I like that we're covering him right now.

And he went to Alabama. And they're national champs right now. This is great. Right now, they're national champs. Yeah, he went to the school of a national champ. That's true. I didn't even notice that. That's good.

That'll help us in the tagging. I hope so. Roll tide. Hashtag. Didn't plan that at all, but good deal. So he goes and plays for Gene Stallings, Coach Gene Stallings back then. Alabama at this point in time was not the powerhouse they have been in the Nick Saban era or, you know, any time in the last 15 years, really.

They were kind of shitty. This year, 95, not terrible. His freshman year, the team goes 8-3. That's not awful. So that's not awful. It's, you know, it's not the worst thing that could happen it's not bama football but that's that's pretty good it's fine you know it's one of those things it's fine it is what it is eight and three they don't make a bowl game i don't know if they had a because eight and three is a bowl record you'll go to like you'll go to some weed whacker bowl for that shit you know toro bowl or

some shit you're going to some horse shit horse shit lawn care fertilizer bowl or whatever the hell. The Scots Fertilizer Bowl. Yeah, they have the Scots Fertilizer Bowl. There's some fried chicken bowl. The Roundup Bowl. Does Chick-fil-A have a bowl? I'm sure they do. They have a Chick-fil-A bowl.

They do. They got a fucking restaurant built inside the Atlanta Falcons Stadium. When does NFL football play, James? When does that shit play and when is chick-fil-a not fucking open that's true that's the biggest waste of fucking space ever true and we they have eight home games a year and you know five of them are on sundays and they probably have a you know a thursday and a monday and they're fucking playing in england one week that's it so that's bullshit stupid very stupid fuck you chick-fil-a i'll be eating something else on And they're fucking playing in England one week. That's it. Bullshit. They're stupid. Very stupid.

Fuck you, Chick-fil-A. I'll be eating something else on Sundays. I will eat something else and I will not go to Hobby Lobby either. Well, I'm not in church. So, 1996. 1996. Plays for Alabama. Again, obviously, it's his sophomore year.

He has five rushing attempts this year for some reason. I don't know if they put him in short yardage because he's big. Short yardage situations is like a fullback or what the deal is. Bama did that in the national championship. It happens. They put a fucking lineman in at running back and then he ran out to catch a touchdown. That's ridiculous. So he ends up this year. He has

five rushing attempts for 25 yards and four catches, four receptions for 39 yards on offense while also playing linebacker. So not bad. He's trying to work. And in college, when you're a sophomore, you're trying to just get yourself in the game however you can, basically.

Which doesn't matter. Yeah. Team goes 10-3 that year, which is better. Gene Stallings again. They go to the Outback Bowl, which is a restaurant. Kind of. They go to the fucking Bloomin' Onion Bowl over here. Excellent.

It's a restaurant that's not even- It's a shit steakhouse. Well, you know what it is. It's not even a steakhouse, because you know it's a shit restaurant when they're not even known for what they make. They're known for one appetizer they have. They're known for an appetizer with fucking Thousand Island dressing. It's literally a fucking onion.

It's not even like, it's like, oh, they came up with this amazing- They fried an onion. They deep fried an onion, and then in the center of it look at that huh what i got see what i did there and then fucking pretended that shit's australian yeah like yeah that's what they do down there they take a big onion and they just throw it in the fryer and then they give it to you that's how it is then you fucking pull little pieces off and jam it in that horseradish fucking thousand island and what we'll do is we won't give them enough of that shit either what we'll do is we'll make it so the

breading falls off in the thing and it clogs up and makes us some sort of chunky slurry of this stuff and the breading and then you can't scoop anything up because the onions are limp you need a fucking knife for it yeah that's what we're gonna and there won't be enough of it at all so you're gonna run out halfway through that onion. And by the way, we also kind of make meat. We have that too. Has anyone ever eaten an entire one of those onions?

Ever? Have you ever eaten more than a third of that onion? You get that onion, you eat a third of it, and you're like, alright, well that's a piece of shit. I was in the mood for it, but that's a pile of garbage. Anybody that's there on their anniversary, you know that they no longer fuck. They no longer fuck because they just ordered

a Bloomin' Onion on their fucking anniversary. They're like, I know we're supposed to go out, but I don't really want to. So, this is the closest thing we can... That should be their slogan. How can I ensure that this man will not try to fuck me after dinner? Two Bloomin' Onions, please.

Outback Steakhouse. Is your marriage in trouble? Outback Steakhouse. When you don't want to go out. But you think you have to. But you think you kind of have to. Come on and get a shit onion. Eat a third of it and then get a steak you'll be disappointed about.

Outback Steakhouse. Come get a steak that we don't know how to make. Now let me impugn an entire continent of Australia by saying it's from there. Let me throw them under the fucking bus like it's their fault. Let's blame these fucks for the onion. Yeah, because we hired a guy with an accent to do our commercials. It's terrible. Isn't Paul Hogan, didn't he own that shit?

I don't know. I'm pretty sure he did. He should. Australia, you're all Paul Hogan to us. Sorry. We love you, but every one of you is wearing a leather vest with a big knife in your hand it's just the way it is fucking gator teeth middle of the city i get it crockty on your hat middle of the city that's how we picture you just in sydney walking down the street like that sorry i'm fucking dressed like bindi or no one owns a shirt it's just all like croc skin vests

very strange Which is weird too because he didn't even have like a great chest or like great. No, he was a skinny middle-aged fucking Australian man. Right. He was like a skinny sinewy middle-aged Australian man. He shouldn't be shirtless. That guy was a movie star.

That's the difference between the 80s and now. Imagine if now a movie came out with an unknown dude who was like a 45-year-old fucking skinny, overly tanned Australian guy with no shirt on. People would be like, I'm not watching that fucking movie. It would be sucks. That's a superhero? Superstar.

That guy is a superstar. He won an Oscar for writing that thing, by the way. Get the fuck out of here. Yes, he's got an Oscar for writing Crocodile Dundee. Crocodile Dundee writing won an Oscar for writing that thing get the fuck out of here he's got an Oscar for writing Crocodile Dundee Crocodile Dundee writing won an Oscar for that is that sick or what and he was one of the writers wow

but Short Circuit didn't win it's very sad Johnny Five did not get his just due I feel bad Steve Guttenberg has never has never been given the appreciation by the academy that that i'll tell you he's working three men and a baby brilliant it was brilliant i'm sorry nothing nothing short of brilliant it was amazing police academy no no unbelievable by the way he took that

franchise from nothing to up here man they all said it's the Goots. Pro Goots. How does a movie with an inappropriate robot that keeps trying to finger a human, how does that not win? I don't know how that doesn't win. Well, it's all right because it got its just due when they made WALL-E 30 years later, which is the same exact fucking movie. They made a second Short Circuit. Oh, yeah. They made Short Circuit, too. They absolutely did. I don't understand how WALL-E was not – everyone didn't say that's just Johnny Five in a cartoon.

I would say that. People would be like, well, I guess it kind of looks like it. No, it's the exact same thing. That's what it is. You made Johnny Five in a fucking cartoon, pretended it was an original idea. And then acted like it was an alien. And you didn't even give Steve Guttenberg a fucking job in it, too. You could have given the Guts a job.

It'd make your shame in higher gluten. And that fucking Indian guy, too, because I don't think he gets a lot of work. He was great in that movie, too. He actually did get work in the 80s. He worked at the Radio Shack or some shit. Yes. He always played like a lab assistant or like some. They fucking typecast him and made him be some.

Some Indian job. If he was working today, he would just be a telemarketer or some shit. Or some computer help. They would. Ridiculous. So this all stemmed from the Outback Bowl, by the way. That tangent. This is Alabama going to see Gutenberg.

That's wow. Holy Christ. Nobody does that. That's a sidetrack right there. I'll tell you something. So they go to the Outback Bowl. Paul Hogan's in the front row shirtless. Gutenberg next to him.

Goots gets no justice. Justice for Gutenberg. Justice for Steve. Steve didn't even go to this bowl either. No, Paul Hogan was there. He got to go, but not the Goots. This is the Outback Bowl. It's versus Michigan.

Okay. And Alabama wins it 17-14. Oh. So look at that. They're back on the upswing here, winning a bowl game against another declining powerhouse at that time, Michigan. This was past the Desmond Howard years and all those years.

This is just after that, but when they were good. 1997, Gene Stallings is out. They toss him. It's Coke Head Mike. Coach Mike DuBose. They get after that. Not a great thing here. You would think 10-3 the year before.

You get to hire a new coach. Let's get better. They go 4-7 that year. Oh, my gosh. So even worse. Way worse. I realize new coaches have to kind of implement their deal, and sometimes they want to strip this down this down but you got to do better than four wins if you're coaching alabama that's real uh no bowl that year no uh he's lucky he didn't get fucking burned at the stake four and seven alabama

and in the next year i'm like okay so who was the coach the next year because you know he got fired and he didn't they actually fucking kept him for another year at least after that i stopped paying attention because trevis graduates but. It's out of my wheelhouse at that point. Don't give a shit anymore. Don't care about Alabama past 1998. Now, Travis is second on the Alabama team in tackles in 1997. Wow. Also, and 1998.

So he's a part of... Who was number one? He's a major cog. I don't have any idea. Somebody that didn't matter? Not sure, but not him. That's all I... He was number two. He was number two. was number two got it second in tackles on alabama uh 97 and 98 so he's a major contributor to the team you know he's not a bench guy or anything like that uh 97 that year he meets a young lady uh he goes to a basketball game a university of alabama basketball game where he meets a fellow student uh who's two years younger

than her than him he's she's a freshman at the time. Her name is Tamika. Okay. And they get together. They fall in love and have a nice relationship. Yeah. And, you know, this is going to work out splendidly, I'm sure. Athlete and their college girlfriend always, it turns out, usually it's storybook.

Usually at the end of the episode, we're like, right now they're 87 years old. They have 12 grandchildren, six great grandchildren. You know, they're retired. It's always a very happy story. Usually by the end somebody's fucking dead. Somebody's dead is usually what ends up happening. Or there's a bunch of child support. There's a lot.

Somebody got choked always. It's never a good thing. 98, he's on the Alabama team still. He's the team captain, or a team captain because there's like 14 team captains, 100 people on the team. He's out there with the coin flip. He's out there with the coin flip. He's probably the defensive linebacker captain or whatever, captain of the linebackers. There's probably three on defense.

Quarterback calls the fucking heads or tails, and he's there with his hand on his shoulder. He's there with his hands on his hips. He knows that guy from high school. He's going to shake across the way there. That's about it here. So in 1998, as a senior, when he's a team captain, he has 16 tackles for a loss at linebacker. Wow. Which is a lot.

That's if you're not a football fan, where they're all lined up. If someone tackles you behind that line rather than going past it, that would be a tackle for a loss. 16 of them. He had 16 of them, which is tied for third all-time for most single-season tackles for a loss. Wow. So he had a great year in 98, second on the team in tackles. He has the tackles for losses, and he's a captain. So these are all looking like good things and looking like he's got a future, at least in the world, also if he's a team captain and people trust him.

Team goes 7-5. So not great. It's better than 4-7, but 7-5 here under Dubose. They go to the Music City Bowl that year. What? They got a bowl out of that? They got a bowl out of 7-5. Jesus.

It must have been when they were expanding bowls. Whatever. So they go 500. Put 5. Jesus. It must have been when they were expanding balls. Whatever. They go 500, put them in there. It's good enough. Music City is a fucking, is that an instrument business? It's an instrument company? Or is it like actually in... Maybe it's just in Memphis.

Maybe. Or is Memphis Music City or is it Nashville? Nashville. Nashville's Music City? Right? I think. Fuck, I don't know. It's probably Nashville.

You're the country music guy. You should know this shit. I don't dick about country music. Nothing. I don't know any fucking city's nicknames. I don't give a fuck. I don't know. It's probably Nashville. You're the country music guy. You should know this shit. I don't dick about country music. Nothing. I don't know any fucking cities' nicknames. I don't give a fuck. I don't know if you were. I just like the music.

Well, music's, I think, no, it's Memphis. No, it's Nashville. Yeah. Because when the Titans did the thing, it's the Music City Miracle. When the Titans and Bills with that lateral in 2000 or whatever. But see, Music City Bowl, like what the fuck does that mean? It's just a bowl in Nashville, I think is what it is. And they're sponsoring it.

Come to Nashville, everybody. I think it's some dude that fucking sells guitars. It probably is. It's got to be. It's like a guitar center guy owns one more place. Exactly. A guy living out his dream because he didn't make the band. You know what I mean?

Dickhead. This is versus Virginia Tech. And I believe this is Michael Vick in 98. Oh, really? Yeah, it would have been. This is his senior year, or whenever the last year he was at Virginia Tech, if I'm not mistaken. They stomped the shit out of Alabama, Virginia Tech, no matter who's quarterback. Virginia Tech wins 38-7.

Ouch. That's a whoopin'. Yeah. So that's how he's leaving college, on a whoopin', which is not terrific here. 1999, he does not get drafted in the NFL at all, which happens to these linebackers. Really? Yeah, it's one of those things. Somebody that tackles 16 times for a loss at Alabama, he's playing in the SEC.

That's tough work. To be able to do that, you'd figure he'd get drafted. Well, back then, too, though, and still now, it's all about what were your numbers at the combine. Okay. You know, you could have, no matter what your stats are, they're like, yeah, but he ran his shuttle drill pretty slow, and his 40 time isn't what I expected. But that strength of schedule matters so goddamn much. Oh, it absolutely does. I couldn't agree more.

It matters a ton. Yeah. If I'm a team, I would be looking at the strength of schedule. Who did they play? What did they do? But it's weird. They get out of college. They watch them play in college and they'll watch all their great play and they'll be like, yeah, this guy's really good. And then they get him in the combine and they're just like, all

we care about are these numbers that we put down. And film goes out the fucking window. Right. You're playing linebacker. We want you to be able to leap. We want you to tip balls, bat balls. But the fucking speed and the tackles matter so much to linebackers. Yeah, I would say so. And that's the thing. Your side-to-side speed, especially.

He's a middle linebacker. In 99, too, that draft was not exactly. That was the heavy top of the draft with quarterbacks. Tim Couch, No. 1. Oh, my God. To the fucking Cleveland Browns. To the Browns. That was so sad. Donovan McNabb, No. 2 Couch, number one. Oh my God, to the fucking Cleveland Browns. That was so sad.

Donovan McNabb, number two, actually had a career. Achilles Smith, number three, another Bengals bust. Bengals, he was terrible. Edger and James went fourth. That's awesome. Ricky Williams went fifth and then made that stupid deal with Master P as his agent like a moron. Torrey Holt, Champ Bailey. My Christ! Yeah, Dante

Culpepper, Chris McAllister. That's why this guy didn't get drafted. Javon Kirst. Damian Woody. There's a lot of guys out there. But I mean, there's seven rounds. Still doesn't matter because he doesn't get drafted. He just doesn't have the skills, basically.

He's not Dante Stallworth. He's not fast enough is what it is. But he has heart. Yeah. He has heart. He's hungry. And there is one country that sees heart and sees on it. They seize on it.

They're like, damn it, we want heart up here. We don't care about talent. And that's Canada, God damn it. You betcha. I'm going to Canada. So he is signed as a free agent by the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. You betcha. Possibly the worst name in Canada.

First of all, for a long time, there was two teams named the Rough Riders out of like eight teams. Eight teams, two of them called the Rough Riders. Two of them. No. We got 32 teams. Not two of them called the Rough Riders. Two of them. No. We got 32 teams. Not one of them are double named. Not one double. Yeah, no.

I think it's weird that there's a baseball Cardinals and a football Cardinals. And they're separate fucking sports and separate cities. This shit. Seattle even made up a fucking, there's no such thing as a Seahawk. Nope. And they still named it. Who are we going to be? Who cares here?

He's signed by the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, every little boy from Alabama's dream. When you're a young boy in Alabama, you're watching Alabama football, you're watching Bear Bryant back in the day coaching. Roll Tide. Can't wait to play for the Rough Riders. Someday I'm going to play there, and that's going to get me to my ultimate goal of Saskatchewan, where everybody wants to go. The Rough Riders are an old team, actually.

They started back in 1910. Oh, Jesus Christ. Their history was interesting. They were the Regina Rugby Club at that point. They weren't the first team to play football in Western Canada, but they have had an unbroken organizational continuity since their founding, making them the third oldest professional football team in existence today. Wow.

Third oldest team there is. The Arizona Cardinals are number two. Really? The Chicago Cardinals were an original. And then they went to St. Louis. The Toronto Argonauts are also older. How about that? So those are the only two teams older.

Wow. The Argonauts and the Arizona Cardinals. I did not know that. Very sad. And then the original football team was Canton. That's why the Hall of Fame is there because that was one of the original teams. Those NFL, I love when you see the NFL things from the 20s

where it's like cities that shouldn't have teams. It's like these weird... Canton, Ohio. Yeah, these weird small towns have teams and they just play it in the mud and there's only like, you know... They play the Hall of Fame game on a fucking high school football field. That's crazy. That's so weird. So stupid.

That's so strange here. Now, about him, there is a training camp when he's there. I got a scouting report from their training camp when he first showed up, which I think is pretty neat. Just get an inside deal here. There's training camp scouting report says about him. He was a leader on the Crimson Tide defense. Shows good hustle and tackling ability. He can invoke memories of another great Rough Rider linebacker from Alabama, Eddie Lowe, who recommended him to the Riders.

Wow. So apparently he was recommended by a former player to take a look at him. Also can play inside or out, which will enhance his chances of making the team. Yeah. That helps, too. So they're kind of all in on this guy. They're like, this might be a guy we want. His teammate, Jeremy O'Day, said, quote, he was a good guy in the locker room.

He was a quiet guy, very dependable. Everybody has described him. He's just like a rock. He's just a guy you put in the middle of a linebacker. He's dependable. Another guy, David Benefield, who played on the team, said, quote, he was our team barber. What? He cuts people's hair, too.

That's how broke the fucking Canadian Football League is? Yeah. Their players are cutting each other's hair? Plus, they're probably shaving their heads. A lot of them are just shaving down. He's a big bald black guy, Trevor Smith. So he's bald as fuck. He wasn't bald back then, but now he's shiny.

Bald as fuck. Bald as fuck and fat, too, now. Oh, no. So he's got a big fat, he looks like Kirby Puckett. Really? He's got a big, fat, shiny Kirby Puckett head. I love that fucking wrinkle. Like there's a difference between like being fat and being back of the head wrinkle fat.

Yeah, that's awesome. When you got that wrinkle in the back, that's a big fucking dude. Your back is crept up your head. That's how fat you are. Your back is no longer happy with being on your back and it needs to take over part of your head. It's annex take over part of your head. It's annexing the back of your head. That fucking wrinkle is amazing.

It's fucking great. It's so impressive. So he said they were team barber. He said he was a good guy. He wasn't a wild party guy at all. Okay. So he wasn't even like a wild—he didn't— This is bananas.

And we're on crime and sports right now, right? Yeah, you're like, what is happening? He was a great kid in college, great kid in high school, just didn didn't get drafted that's the only heartbreak so far that's it and now he's but he's making the best of it through heartbreak is he has to cross a border to play fucking football that's rough and you're yeah his money's worth less and everything else but and if you're a guy from alabama you don't want to play just for saskatchewan really but not trade beaver bucks for fucking houses and stuff he's making a living uh playing football right which that's the dream that's the dream it's like every comedian's like i just want

to make a living right like people who aren't making a living doing comedy when you talk to them making shit i just want to make a living doing comedy they'll say and it's like yeah man that's what this guy's doing i just want to make a living playing football uh so that game that year's rookie year he has nine games uh for plays in nine games, has 40 tackles, one for a loss. Yeah, he's not bad at all. He's injured halfway through the season, which is why he only played in nine games. Got it. A scouting report from 99 and a lot of internal scouting reports here says, quote,

he was, quote, the best of the rookie linebackers brought in to shore up a poor defense. Clear early on he would make uh he would make the team was enjoying an up and down rookie season dislocated his hip and faces a tough rehabilitation program to prepare for 2000 oh my god that's tough dislocating your hip nobody wants to do that that sounds painful how does that even happen oh that's like you've got a giant ball and then like it plugs in. Yeah. And that shit came out. Yeah, that shit came out. Jimmy, I got to ask you something.

Have you ever hosted like a medical television show or something? I did. Was it obvious? I sensed medical training. I don't know what it was, but I said I think Jimmy's. This giant ball and that shit came out. And that shit came out. Yeah, that's.

Have you seen like the skeleton? No, I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah. And it has like. It's out. And that shit came out. Have you seen the skeleton? No, I know exactly what you're saying. And it has like a belt. It's not meant to come out, as a matter of fact. It's meant to stick forever. It's meant to stay in there. It's pretty much designed that way. It would stay right in place.

And that shit came out. That shit popped out. Unbelievable. Gone. That would hurt so fucking bad. Oh, can you imagine how bad that hurts? Well, next year, didn't bother him at all because he comes back in 2000 strong as can be. How did they pop that back in?

Popped that bitch back in and got him working. Get your ass out there on that field, MilkDotHead. Holy shit. Let's do this. He gets out on the field for 16 games, which, shit, I mean, that's coming off a dislocated end. I'm blown away. Is that a common injury? I don't think I've ever heard of that.

I've heard of it, but it's not super. I want to fucking see that. It's not super common. That's what they said that Bo Jackson did at first when he actually, remember that? When he actually fucking broke himself? Well, he kind of dislocated his hip. That was the initial what they would say. Was that a run in?

He was running down the sideline and a guy got him from the back and it didn't even look bad. Was it a horse collar? I don't remember if it was a horse collar or not, but it wasn't a bad tackle. It looked fine. He didn't look like he hurt himself at all. It was just the way his leg went. It was just a weird thing.

And I don't know if that—it turned out to be something different, and the nerves died in there, and he had degenerative disease in there. But that's not what happened to Travis here. I always thought it was fucking—all the martial arts he was doing was what fucking ruined his sports career no it was that playoff game man i think it was against the bangles or the bills i'm not i don't remember which one but it was a playoff game afc playoffs doesn't matter taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans. She's broken billboard records and made Grammys history, not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process.

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And now back to the show. 2000 season, he plays in 16 games, has 34 tackles. Doesn't bother him. Doesn't bother him at all. He gets back because he's tough. He's got a goal, Jimmy. 16 games, 34 tackles. 34 tackles.

Nine games the year before, 40 tackles. 40 tackles, yeah. So his numbers are dropping a smidge per game. Yeah, I think they introduced, he didn't start right away this season, too, because he was coming off the injury. They may have been dropping him back in fucking coverage, too. That's the other thing, too. You never know what happened with that. The team goes 5-12-1, though, so that's not great at all.

That's not terrific. Not engendering a whole lot of confidence in them. The damn Calgary Stampeders won the West Division that year. Fucking Stampeders, man. There's a team I hate. It's the Calgary Stampeders. Almost as much as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, but don't get me started on them. Calgary's got, in hockey, maybe the coolest logo.

They're cool. I actually like the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. I think they're my favorite Canadian football team. I like their uniforms. The New Jersey Devils and the Calgary Flames have probably the two coolest logos. Those are badass. That fucking C with the flame on it is kick-ass. And that N with the fucking devil horns.

I love it. And the Blackhawks. You don't get Indian faces like that anymore. That's true. You don't get that anymore. It's tough to get the racist logo on. Yeah, that shit, that's a dying art right there. It's not bad.

Right. So it's better than the old Islanders, Gorton's Fisherman logo. What? In the 90s, the Islanders switched their uniform. They had a Fisherman, the Gordon's Fisherman guy on it. They changed their uniform. It looked exactly like the Gordon's Fisherman. The yellow slicker and all that shit.

It was a guy in a yellow slicker. You got to look it up. It's terrible. Fucking terrible. Awful. Oh, boy. So about the 2000 regular season, the scouting report for him said that the writers were looking for good things to come from Smith this season.

Problem is, can he come back from his dislocated hip, which is a very rare football injury, they say. So there you go. He also suffered through a virus during training camp. So he had a tough time. But when healthy, they wanted to try playing him at middle linebacker more that year. And that's what they did. 2001 comes around.

And the scouting report preseason is that he spent last season rotating with a linebacker. So that was why he had less tackles. Makes sense. And they may shift him back to the middle linebacker to help with the run defense. They had him be a pass rusher in 2000. So he wasn't really getting the tackles because you're running past people. You're not a big tackle guy. And you're going to miss a tackle when it's a screen pass sometimes.

You're going to dive and miss, and then somebody else will get him. And half the time, too, they're blocking you outside so they can run off the middle and you're rushing outside. So it doesn't matter here. Your tackle numbers are going to drop when you're doing that. Exactly. Team goes 6-12 that year. Again, not terrific. At least there was no tie.

No ties this year. The damn Edmonton Eskimos won the division. Fucking Eskimos. There's a racist one. I like it. It's 100%. Yeah, absolutely. Canada, good for you. Way to fucking just not give in to that PC bullshit. Yeah, just call everyone.

The Eskimos. Jesus. The team's probably 60 years old anyway, but the Edmonton Eskimos win the division. They go 6-12. He gets back into the rotation at least, which is good. And he has in his personal life, he starts working on something else. He has a daughter. Him and Tamika have a daughter together.

At least it's not a son, so he didn't name it after himself. Because you don't want a little girl named Travis. That would be terrible. Worse than a little boy named Travis. He is considered by his teammates to be one of the most respected guys there. He's real big with the Bible. He's always got his Bible out. That's a problem.

Bible reading, Bible thumping, good non-party. What's he hiding? Not a wild man. You'd imagine he's hiding something, right? Spring 2002, and remember this date when this happens because this will come up later and it'll be very interesting. Spring 2002, he marries Tamika. He comes home to Alabama for a brief two weeks, and then he marries before the season starts, before training camp, and he marries Tamika.

Got it. 2002 season comes around. We have the preseason scouting report for him here. It says, almost by default, Smith looks to be the starting middle linebacker this season. With linebacker Troy Asbell. Asbell? That's a terrible name.

Plucked off the roster by the expansion Ottawa Renegades. Smith is the lone veteran linebacker on the team. Is it A-S-S-B-E-L-L? It's A-S-B-E-L-L. That's still brutal. It's still terrible. Last year he showed flashes of being a steady backer, but was all too often lost in a sea of humanity to be an effective tackler.

So they're going to try to – this is like the kind of, okay, we moved him around, we did this and that, now we're really going to see if he can be the starting middle linebacker here. Everybody calls Asbell Dingleberry, by the way. Oh, you know it. Hey, what's up, Dingleberry? What's up there, Dingleberry? It's Asbell.

It's not even As. I get it, Dingleberry. Yeah, that's fine, Dingleberry. Just fucking suit up, Dingleberry. Hey, terrific, Dingleberry. Nice tackle, Dingleberry. It's not, fuck. I get it, Dingleberry. Yeah, that's fine, Dingleberry. Just fucking suit up, Dingleberry. Hey, terrific, Dingleberry. Nice tackle, Dingleberry. It's not fucking... Nah, never mind.

It's more syllables to say Dingleberry. Why is... Why is... It's not even easy. It's not helpful. What you're doing is not helping me. Oh, jeez. Yeah, but it's funnier to call you Dingleberry.

I get it, but it's more... It's more work to say it. Why? Oh, Christ. Run laps, fucker. Yeah, there you go, Aspel. Take that, Dingleberry. Running around.

So the coach Hall here is very pleased with Travis Smith. He says that he's at the top of his game in the beginning of the season in 2002. He's already there. He said, quote, Travis looks as good as he was looking at the end of the season. He played very well in Winnipeg. I was very happy with all of the guys across the board. So he's saying after a preseason game, he's happy with everyone, but especially happy with Travis because he's really looking sharp.

He plays in all 18 games that year, has 63 tackles, one sack, five tackles for a loss and two interceptions. Did he do all of this with meth up his ass? What the fuck is going on? Oh, you'll see. 63 tackles, one sack, five tackles for a loss, and two interceptions. Did he do all of this with meth up his ass? What the fuck is going on? Oh, you'll see. It's Hal happening right now as this is going on. We'll get back to it. Don't worry.

Come on now, Jimmy. I know how to tell a story. I'm losing my mind. We're going to circle back, baby. I can't wait. I'm on the edge of this seat. So much, too. Oh, man, what he's doing is wild.

You're going to go get the fuck out of here. The reveal is good. So that year, the Rough Riders finish in fourth place in the division. They have an 8-10-2 record, which is not too great. They play the Argonauts in the East semifinal game, and they lose 24-12. It's the first time they made the playoffs since 97, though. Wow. So that's something.

And it's all because of this fucking guy with the hip. That's positive. Yeah. It's all because of hip man over here. 2003, he only plays in five games and has 17 tackles. Okay. He's injured there again. They finished in third place, Saskatchewan, that year.

They have an 11-7 record. Hey, a winning record. Yeah. They beat the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, the son of a bitches, in this West semifinal, but then lost to the Edmonton Eskimos. Revenge of the Eskimos, man. Always coming back for you. Coming back seal clubbing.

Seal clubbing. Just coming back and going to hit you with a big thing of fat. Just going to nail you with some blubber. Also, that year, 2003, they have another daughter. Oh. So now he's got a, they have another daughter. Oh. So now he's got a wife and he's got two kids. And he's a Bible-reading, non-partying, respected, milk-dud-headed teammate. He's doing fine.

2004, 14 games. He has 25 tackles in those 14 games. Three sacks overall there. Not terrible. Not bad. I think they have them pass rushing a little bit more. They finish in third place that year with a 9-9 record. They beat the Eskimos.

They get revenge over those son-of-a-bitch-in-Eskimo bastards. 27-14 in the semifinals, but then lost to the BC Lions 24-14 in overtime. Wow. I don't know how you win 24-14 in overtime. I think their overtime is timed. It has to be. I think it's just another quarter, if I'm not mistaken. Unless they're given 10 points a touchdown.

I actually watched, oh, God, a couple years ago, I sat. It was like 2 in the morning. I don't know what I was doing, but I watched an entire Canadian football game. Just an entire game. You did what? I watched the whole game, and I was a little stoned. I'm not going to lie to you. You really gave a lot of attention to Canada.

But this was like a couple years ago. And I watched the Winnipeg Blue Bombers win in overtime. You were stoned. I was very stoned. Yeah. I'm watching three hours of Canadian football, Jimmy. You just couldn't move. That's what happened.

You got so baked. I was interested in how wide the field was. I was like, look at this. It's so wide. And I was just, I started thinking about like the different plays that you could pull off with the wide field. I'm like, dude, he could just turn and everything could go sideways and then forward. Yeah, I did.

I was like, I could do this. I could coach the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. Coach Jimmy P. Coach John Petrigallo. I'm going to do it. John Gruden Petrigallo over here. That's right. God damn it.

Drawing up plays. I got so many gadgets. Fucking king of Canada. Bill Belichick of Canada right here, baby. You know it. Now, also, this year, he is doing a ton of volunteer work. Yeah. And this is all through his time there.

He does lots of volunteer work in Saskatchewan. He serves as a volunteer football coach for Regina High School. Always signs autographs. He's the guy who will be the last High School, always signs autographs. He's the guy who will be the last guy out there still signing autographs. Even after a loss, he'll come out and sign autographs to all the kids. Even after a loss, he'll show his face. Still show his face, sign all the autographs. He's known as a real stand-up guy.

A friend of his named Brian Murray, who runs an aquatic training program for Smith and several of the other guys. You know, they do aquatic training. You mean elderly aerobics? That's basically what it is. Yeah, for them, I guess when your hips are popping out of joint, you need elderly aerobics. You know what I mean? So I guess Smith helped this guy raise $4,000 for some fundraiser. He lent his name to it, and he did the whole thing.

Murray's mother's a breast cancer survivor, and they were trying to raise awareness for breast cancer. And Smith was there, spent his time, did everything he could do to raise money, donated some of it himself. Jesus. Even did some things that weren't even in the public eye that you only do if you're actually a decent person because you're not getting credit for it. You know what I mean? Helped an old lady walk across the street? Well, he had – when his hip was bad a few years ago after he dislocated it, a guy from Saskatoon wrote to him. You know, you get that letter from Saskatoon, you rip it right open.

He said that this man from Saskatoon said – the man from Saskatoon. He said that his 7-year-old son also had a dislocated hip. And he said, do you have any advice for rehabilitation? Being that you're an athlete, you probably have access to great rehabilitation. What could I do with my son? So what Smith does, what Travis does, is doesn't just send a letter.

Even a phone call would be like, wow, that's above and beyond the call of duty. No, no, no. He got on a plane with his own money. What the fuck? Bought a plane ticket, flew to Saskatoon with a shitload of souvenirs. What? To give to this kid and spent the weekend with the family.

My Christ. Trying to help this kid. Brought them to a game later on when they were over in that side of the country. Brought them to a game. Brought the whole team out with it. Brought the kid and the whole family out to the game. Brought them on the field. Introduced them to everybody. Kept in touch with it, brought the kid and the whole family out to the game, brought them on the field, introduced them to everybody, kept in touch with them, checked in on the kids.

What the fuck, right? Unbelievable. Nice guy. What a guy. Nice guy. Also, they said that Smith would come in the offseason, would spend weekends with the kid, just take him out miniature golfing, go out take him playing arcade games games and just take him out to go do something. Hey, Travis is coming to pick you up.

A friend of his said, quote, he loved that boy and that family. Wow. Just absolutely. I'm impressed. You're impressed so far. We're 45 minutes in and you're like, I don't see a problem with this guy. Why are we covering this guy, right? Why are we covering him?

Well, on August 14th, 2005, the Rough Riders beat the Calgary Stampeders 46 to 16. Okay. Okay. The very next day, he is approached during a team practice by the members of the Regina Police Department and brought in for questioning. Because? Because, let's have a talk here. One week earlier.

Every person on the other football team was found fucking gutted. It must be Trevis. He's the only one with the work ethic to slaughter the entire defense. And there was a page of the Bible taped to each of their chests. Most people would have let the kicker live, but he said, no, you're going down too, pal. You're part of this fucking problem. You kicked all those extra points. I picture him chasing around like a five'6 Spanish speaking guy with a knife.

He's going, no, sir, sir, see, no, I kicked the ball, I kicked the ball. And he's just chasing him. You died too, Jose. You died too, Jose. He's like, no, no. He's just running around. I don't know why that's such a funny visual. Because I pictured Travis coming to the locker room with a knife and Jose, I don't know,

I guess his name was Jose. It is now. Jose has got a towel on because he just got out of the shower. And he's like, he's hopping over the benches like, no, no, no, no, sir. No, no. He's got the towel, trying to hold the towel on while he runs. I don't know why that's funny to me. Travis is pissed.

He's like, no, motherfucker. He doesn't even see the humor in it, you know what I mean, while it's going on. He doesn't see that this little kicker in his house is hilarious. With no body hair, he's got like seven pubic hairs. He's chasing after him. I get you, see.

He keeps saying no, and Travis is saying see. See, motherfucker. No, no, and Travis is saying see. See? See, motherfucker. No, no. See. See, motherfucker.

So he's chased Jose out of the locker room. So you have to go back one week to understand why he's being questioned now. One week earlier, he received a call from a woman. Let's just say, okay, there's going to be some ladies we're going to talk about here. All of their names are changed and hidden and protected. So we're going to give them names. There was an article that wrote about it that gave them like fake names.

I'll just use the fake names that they had so I don't have to make up my own fake names. Are they awful? No, the names are fine. They're just whatever. No, I just mean like are they – The women? No, are they just like – no, I'm sure they're fine. Did they just name them Martha? Right. No, I just mean like, hey, no, they just like. No, I'm sure they're fine. Oh, they just have a Martha.

No, no, they gave him shit names. They gave him names that were close to theirs and that sort of thing. But they're not want to be publicly outed. I found the names, but it's not a matter of. They didn't give him like street names like Cinnamon and Raven. No, they didn't give him stripper team of stripper names, which is good for everybody. So we got ISIS here. ISIS takes the stand. Oh, ISIS here. ISIS take the stand.

Oh, my God. That's fucking great. So basically, he got a call a week earlier from a woman named Amanda who thinks that she is in an exclusive relationship with Travis. Okay. Thinks that they're in an exclusive relationship. And what she says is she confronts him saying, hey, I heard you have HIV. What the fuck is going on? And, hey, I heard you have HIV. What the fuck is going on? And he said, I don't have HIV.

I don't know what you're talking about. And she didn't believe him and she broke up with him. A few days later, she goes to the police and gives a statement to them. And they come out and they have a little chat with him and they sit him down. Now, he has the balls through all this to say later on he has the balls to call her and plead with her. She said that he said he changed and he needed to she needed to forgive him. And she said that she didn't accept his apology. And later on in the conversation, he admits to her that he is HIV positive in this whole thing.

He then calls a few days later and asked if she and her parents want to come to a game. And she said, no, that's all right. I'm good now. Yeah. So insanity. So he just thinks that. So right now a girl calls him because she thinks she's in an exclusive relationship with him.

And. Yeah. And that he has HIV. And that she heard he has HIV. Right. And what the fuck's up with that? Where does she hear that from? Well, we'll find out here.

Why does she think that she's in an exclusive relationship with him? Well, a lot of people do. Oh, my God. She's not the only one. Let's find out what he's been up to while he's been reading the Bible and helping kids with dislocated hips and shit like that. He's very busy, this guy. The energy of this man is astounding.

Okay. So they bring him in for questioning. He's sitting in a chair there. You know, fucking just whatever. He's wearing T-shirts and shorts. He came from practice. There's a cop across from him, a Corporal John Walker. This Walker was actually a defensive lineman for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders in the 80s before he became a police officer.

So they send this guy in here to be good cop. Yeah. Hey, I know. I get it. Yeah, when you're out there. And he says, his exact quote is, because this is all recorded, he says, quote, I used to be in the position you're in. You're in sort of a celebrity status in town here because you're associated with the rough

riders. There are girls out there, just like when I was playing, that want to just get with a rider. They want to bang them. I want to bang this rider, and I want to bang that rider. And he's talking like that. So he's trying to act like, these girls are skanks out there. I get it. There's so many hoes.

You bang some skanks, it's no big deal. Like, hey, who doesn't do that? They call us the skank-a-wan. It's the skank-a-wan. We all know that. That's the nickname here. What are you talking about? And while he's doing that, Travis is just nodding. He's just nodding here. He talked about now there's a woman from Regina

who they find out is HIV positive. Smith brings up a teammate who also had a relationship with this woman later on. Now, this is how he found out. This woman tested positive and got ahold of him in 2003. And then he got tested and found out he was positive too in 2003. Oh boy. Never told anybody. We are when? This is late 2004. Oh, boy. So he's known about this for about a year now. Now, the other cop there says, look,

quote, I'm not going to talk to the Saskatchewan general manager about this or anybody else. I'm pretty sure that we can handle this on our own. I won't talk to him until such a time that I think I need to, he says. So he's like, hey, man, we'll keep this under the, you know, we'll keep this under wraps. No big deal. It's all good. I'm a friend. Yeah. He says. Then the cop says, thank you, sir. Very much. Shakes

his hands. He says, nice talking to you. And congrats for yesterday because they won forty six sixteen yesterday against the fucking cocksucking Calgary Stampeders. So that's they tried to play it like, hey, man. Just a chat. We have to ask you because somebody complained. But honestly, we understand. Skanky girls, ball player, you go out there and tackle some people, buddy. No problem at all.

He just told the cops that he has HIV, though. No, he does not admit to that to the cops. He does not admit that. He just says, I don't know anything about it. I don't know. This girl. He gives a lot of, I don't know, his girls are out there saying shit. You know how they are. And the guy said, I know exactly how they are.

Now, this woman here, she met him. This one we're talking about, the Amanda one. We'll call her Amanda. She met him at a nightclub in Vancouver in 2001 after a game. They had played a game. The team went out.

She said she wanted to walk away right away when she found out he was a football player. She said she had known a couple of the players on the BC Lions. And she said she knew about their predilections and she didn't really want to get into it. She said, quote, I would see the girls parading in and out of their houses. My Christ. Where do they live? Where they're all lined the girls parading in and out of their houses. My Christ. Where do they live? Yeah, they're all lined up with girls coming in and out. It's like a dorm area.

Where does she live? She just sits out front and watches women come in and out of their house. All the players live in that row of houses across the street. And I live here. So I just watch the women come. They come in and out. Then they go from one to the other. And it's crazy.

These women, you know how it is. But Travis, he convinced her. That's them. That ain't me, baby. That's not me, baby. I am fucking smooth and smart. I'm a nice guy. I play with kids.

You know, I got. I'm flying. Let me tell you about my favorite Bible verse in case you're noticing. Now, I like Leviticus. I'm going to talk to you. I don't know what you're into. Maybe Genesis, something like that. You know that Ecclesiastes.

You know that shit. You know, that's some bullshit. So she described him as attentive, attractive, and a very good boyfriend. She said she was definitely not a football groupie or anything like that. She said she wouldn't be blind to people fucking her over is what she said. I wouldn't just be like, oh, that's okay, and he's out there doing whatever, and I don't know about it. Now, she had no idea about his wife. She didn't know he was married.

Wow. A, didn't know that also he's seeing a bunch of other women that we're going to talk about now. She thought they were in an exclusive relationship, and life was great. One time here, they're in Vegas in May of 2004, which is this year. They're in Vegas, and he asked to borrow her cell phone. Let me borrow your cell phone quick. She said no problem, gave him the phone. By the way, this is her birthday.

They're on vacation. He took her to Vegas for her birthday. So he said, let me see your phone quick. Nothing. Whatever, had it for a couple minutes, gave it back. They were gone for four days and then she went back to Vancouver. What? She went back home to Vancouver and he went to Regina

where he was living. First she played with the Rough Riders. And he kept telling her that he loved her. They were together for three years. Wow. Three years. Three years she had no idea he was married. No. No idea. They had a three year relationship. He kept saying he loved her. They would talk about marriage sometime.

She said, quote, if I ever told him I was feeling sad, he'd hop on a flight from Regina and be there with me. Wow. Didn't give a fuck. I mean just completely dedicated. Tamika is so just oblivious. She's completely oblivious. Well, she lives in Alabama. Oh, Christ.

She's staying up there while he's playing. Wow. She's staying down there with the kids in Alabama, so they don't even live together. That's the thing. He's up there. No, it's not. He's up there just dipping into Canadian poon like nobody's business. Jesus Christ. Finding all that chili Eskimo poon.

He's up to his dislocated hips in moose poon. It's fucking horrible. You know? Poor Tamika. Dislocated hip in moose and caribou poon that's unbelievable so lucky dude yeah man yeah i'm telling you so uh yeah she said that that quote when he'd come out to see me my mom and i would cook for him stew meat pies spicy kebabs we'd spend the whole day cooking wow buying. Buying balloons, baking a cake. I went all out for this man.

Yeah. So she- What'd she get in return? HIV. Well, we'll find out if she got it or not. But she gets home from Vancouver when they were in Vegas. They get home to Vancouver. And she said that she noticed a strange Saskatchewan phone number and text message addressed to a woman sent at the time Travis borrowed her phone.

Now, she noticed. In other words, she got home and said, let me look through and let's see what that motherfucker called on my phone. Because who wouldn't do that? Let's see who he called. What idiot fucking uses his girlfriend's phone to call another chick and doesn't delete the number? Nope at all just there you go baby that's how but he thinks she's a moron this has been three years right he's fucking married with children with fucking children and there's articles on him in the paper i'm sure somebody mentions what a great guy he is in his marriage in 2k she never notices any of this stuff nothing so she might not be the sharpest fucking knife in the

drawer right when it or she's honestly a lot of people they just they see what they want to see smitten she's got fucking blinders on because she just loves what she loves see what they want to see that's all it is so she's interested to see who who he called i mean she just saw a number it could have been anybody i mean it didn't say like oh this is a uh you know a chick with her ass hanging out on her phone bill or in her phone it just had a number so what he did she does what amanda does is she calls the number right there sure let's see who answers what the hell here uh a woman on the other end of the phone answers yeah a woman who lives in regina yeah answers the phone and says oh yeah no i'm i'm travis's girlfriend wow she's like are you now wow that's interesting because I'm Travis's girlfriend.

What the fuck up is, what's up with that, right? That's how my mother found out my father was cheating on her. Really? Because my mother, who was pregnant at the time with me, got a phone call from a lady looking for my dad. He gave this dipshit, gave his girlfriend his home number, and she called. But didn't tell her that he was married? Right.

She had no idea. My mom answers the phone. If you're going to do that, you have to conspire with one of them. You can't just. You got to be honest with somebody. You need a partner in crime. You can't just be out on your own with all these plates. This dipshit.

What the hell's wrong with these people? My mom answers the phone and goes, hello? And she goes, where's Jerry? And she goes, I don't know. And she goes, where's Jerry? And she goes, I don't know. Yeah. And she goes, who's this? And she goes, this is his girlfriend. My mom's like, well, I'm his fucking wife, so.

So, you know. And then she goes, well, let him know I'm pregnant. My mom's like, oh, I'm pregnant too. Oh, Jesus Christ. Perfect. Perfect. So I had a brother somewhere. I think he's in Canada, matter of fact.

Jesus, it's a fucking, it's a white trash fucking baby shower is what that is. He's like four months younger than me. That's a white trash baby shower. When two women find out about the same man has knocked them both up over the phone. Yeah. That's called. Within like four months of each other. That's called a white trash baby shower.

In case you're ever looking. I think it's called white trash twins. That's what it's called. Yeah, yeah, white trash twins., in case you're ever looking. I think it's called white trash twins. That's what it's called. Yeah, yeah, white trash twins. Yeah, definitely. That's perfect. Unbelievable. Oh, man.

So this whole thing here, she talks. They're a little surprised to hear about each other. The woman on the other end of the phone here in Regina also says, oh, by the way, not only do I exist, do you know that he has HIV? Oh, fuck. Because he fucking does. Oh, no. So that's what prompted old Amanda to call him and say, hey, what's up with that?

Oh, no. And him saying, I don't know what you're talking about. And the cops talking to him. How about the girl you called while we were in Vegas told me you fucked her and you had AIDS? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, she fucking panicked, obviously, Amanda. She went immediately to get a blood test. Over and over and over again.

Don't blame her. They've been having sex regularly since 2002. Oh, God. And they went everywhere. Like we said, he would go there. They went to Puerto Vallarta. They went to Vegas. They were, you know, a couple pretending.

What's he telling his wife he's doing when he's not playing football and not at home? Yeesh. Oh, I'm just going to go around. They'd be like, motherfucker, you're gone six months a year anyway. When you're not playing football, get your ass to Alabama. God damn it. We got two kids, you dummy. Yeah.

Unfortunately, Tamika, as we're going to find out, is very Shana Mayfield. Like, really? I'm going to put my head in the sand and I'm going to say none of this is his fault. And not only that, he's a great guy and it's half their fault, too, because that's what she says. It is interesting. Wow. So,, he's a great guy and it's half their fault too because that's what she says. It is interesting. Wow. So, yeah.

So this all happens here. Amanda says that early in the relationship that he would wear condoms during sex because she would make him. And then after about a year, he convinced her that no condoms were needed in their relationship. She said, quote, I asked him to wear a condom. He told me, no, no, no, no, no. There's no one else. I'd never do anything to hurt you. So she estimates they had sex without a condom more than 30 times, which is fucking scary

here. She actually comes back, though, that she did not have HIV, which is she's lucky. She says, quote, I am so lucky by the grace of God. I'm OK. It's a miracle. No doubt. So, yeah, that's not the only two, by the way. There's more.

Yeah. Let's talk about here's a woman. Here's another woman from Regina. They met at a nightclub. Yeah. They she they had unprotected sex. They she thought she was in a relationship with him like we do. And then in 2005, she heard rumors that he had HIV.

Oh, Jesus. And she said, quote, I asked him if it was true. He said, no, it wasn't true. And then if I did have it, I would have had it years ago. Jesus. So if he had had it, she would have had it years ago. So she's like, what are you talking about? If I had AIDS, you'd have fucking HIV already.

So she said, oh, OK, and had unprotected sex with him more. If I have, if there's any rumor that you have HIV, A, we're not having sex anyway. B, wow, is there going to be – How about – You're going to put a hefty bag on that fucking thing. Ten minutes later? Yeah. I'm not taking your word for it.

Maybe a doctor's word. How about I'll take his word when you have a blood sample run through a machine. Yeah. That's when I'll take your word for it. Until then, there's too much she said, she said for you to just jam that sick dick in here. That's it. That's what it is. So summer of 2004 with Amanda again, she confronted him.

He said no. And this was she confronted or she confronted him. He said no. She thought that he was cheating on her with the phone calls and everything. So she went through all of his belongings one time and she found a booklet titled Living with HIV in it. Oh, my God. So that's why she that's why she denied it. Yeah, that's why he denied it.

Yeah. So it's interesting here. So anyway, Amanda gives a formal statement in September of that year. Oh, there's others too. Oh, my God. Neither of these two young ladies tested positive for HIV. 2005 season, he still plays football. What?

Mind you. Yeah, this is a sport where blood is involved. He's still playing football. Almost every game. He has 18 games that year, 58 tackles, one sack. He's not distracted by it. And 32 scraped elbows and knees. Yeah, everything's turf up there, too. They finished in fourth place, the Rough Riders, with a 9-9 record.

Seems kind of silly to talk about Rough Rider records that year. They lost to the Montreal Alouettes. That's a tough sounding team. They sound frightening. Oh, yeah, the Alouettes are coming strict fear in the heart oh god frenchman chasing around that's jose the kicker will chase those guys around what exactly is an alouette don't fuck it's probably a bird yeah something but it sounds like a fucking dessert so you're not you're not scary fuck you like a creme brulee but with a cream on top. Some sort of whipped topping on it. There's a filling that is fucking delicious.

Much fruitier. So October 2005. Somebody's eaten that off of a dick. That's what's happened. Exactly. So October 2005 with a couple games left in the season, Smith is arrested. Uh-oh. They arrest his ass.

For what? In October. Well, let's see here. They fly him October 27th. He's flown to Surrey, British Columbia to appear in court charged with aggravated sexual assault. Oh, my God. Because if you know you have HIV and you have unprotected sex with somebody, that is aggravated

sexual assault. And let's stop right here for one moment and take a sidetrack about this subject because I know some people will be tweeting at us because there is a large contingent of people out there. This is not a black and white issue. No. And we're not saying it is because I don't know enough about HIV, honestly, to say to have any scientific medical opinion on the whole thing. There's a group of people out there that say when someone has HIV, they shouldn't be treated

like their second class citizen or something like that, which I 1,000 percent agree with. That's true. But you also have to make sure that they're not going around having sex with people without them knowing that they have HIV and then giving them HIV. And it's not a matter of how you treat them. It's a matter of – it's a public health thing. Charlie Sheen, you cunt. People like that but yeah it's the it's the whole thing but there's a large group i mean a large contingency on the internet that are like it's bullshit there shouldn't be a registry for it fuck you there shouldn't be this oh my god they shouldn't have publicly outed him

when this happened really oh there are articles saying like this is such a load of shit. Basically, they make it sound like in these articles that look, they act like HIV is like a cold and people are saying it's like, you know, the flu. Yeah. And it's like, it's not the flu. It's just a cold. Relax. And it's like, it's fucking HIV. I get that we are have a little bit better of a handle on it than we did back in the

day. But holy shit, it's still not good to have. I bet you still won't have sex, unprotected sex with someone with HIV. You know, that should be if you're that gung ho about it. Prove it. Yeah, exactly. Go find one of those people and blow them. And they'll say like, well, he had sex with that girl 30 times and he did.

She didn't get HIV. So it's not that dangerous. And it's like by the grace of whatever. And who knows, too. Some people are more receptive to the disease than others and there's a million differences

they're still figuring that shit out and how it spreads and I'm not saying we have a stance either way on it I don't know what the fuck

my stance is I feel like if someone has HIV they should definitely be treated with dignity and with the same medical care empathy

and care that any other disease would get just because you got it from sex or even from jamming a fucking needle in your arm. I don't care. That doesn't matter.

That's like saying if someone gets lung cancer, we should treat them like shit. If they still have cancer, it's still bad. We should treat these people nicely, but we should also protect the public. If you have someone who's serially putting his dick in everything he can find. Dude, there was a guy, there was a professor that got arrested recently for chopping up somebody. Yeah. They were doing meth and stuff. And the man.

I don't know, I'm liking the sounds of this. The man was texting his gay boyfriends that he gets off on pausing neg dudes. Which means he liked, because he had AIDS and he got off on giving other dudes AIDS. Fuck that guy. There are people like that. That's fucked up. And there's some people who just want to watch the world burn. It's one of those things.

There's just some people that go around wanting to shoot people in the head, too, and do horrible things to them. That professor also was a professor of- They just have a bullet in their cock. It's just different. Right. A different kind of bullet. And it just goes off when he gets hard.

The professor also was like a plague doctor. Oh, Jesus. And he just recently went to like Madagascar. And there's an outbreak of the plague down there now. And they think that he may have fucking released. Yeah. That would not surprise me. He's a fucking psychopath.

And there are people like that that just want to watch the world burn. Yeah, there are. And some of those people have AIDS. And I don't fucking want it. I don't want my daughter to get it. I don't want anybody fucking getting it. No, absolutely not. But for here, with him charged with this aggravated sexual assault, that's a hot button issue.

It is. I didn't realize it was until I had this case. Listen, it's aggravated assault. It's for sure aggravated sexual assault. Especially if they don't know. You know, you didn't tell them. Canada's criminal codes allows for the charge of aggravated sexual assault if the person who was assaulted doesn't know what is being consented to and if their life is endangered by the accused, which I would say possibly giving

them HIV classifies for that. In addition, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in B.C. issued a warning publicly that he is HIV positive and advised anyone concerned about exposure to seek medical attention. They don't know how far and wide this guy's been. They're like, he could have fucked everybody. We need to put this on the news. We can't even like, well, this is past. Who'd you have sex with?

We'll call them. This is, can we put it on the news tonight? Cause it could be thousands. This is a guy that's that plays in the NFL. I mean the fucking whatever the NFL is. But he's traveling all over the place. You never know where he could have fucked. Yeah, putting his dick in everything he could find here.

That'd be like Magic Johnson denying it and then just flying all over this country and just jamming his sick dick in all these waitresses all over the country. I hate that I said that, by the way. All these waitresses. Like, waitresses are like the dirtbags. I'm a piece of shit, all right? I get what you're saying. You know what I mean? Just like anybody that's throwing themselves at them.

But athletes have sex with waitresses a lot because they go to restaurants and bars afterwards. And hotel fuck and hotel concierge. That's where they are is places with them and they talk to them. It's the convenient ones. That's who you know and find. They keep them away from the cheerleaders, so where's the next phone? There you go. Where's the hooters?

Let's do it. the cheerleader so where's the next there you go that's where's the hooters let's do this so uh the next day a woman in regina that we talked about earlier filed a charge also she filed a complaint and a second charge of aggravated sexual assault was uh leveled against him in regina so now he's got two of them yeah uh not terrific here uh now here's the funny thing uh the the royal canadian mountain police uh said that they felt it was the public warning was necessary about his health. The Rough Riders, the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, which just talking about unprotected AIDS, HIV sex with the term rough, the team Rough Riders is making me laugh, unfortunately, because I'm 12. It's hilarious that those words are together. Because I'm 12.

And then Royal Canadian Mounted Police. They're so unscary. Rough riding. Canada, you're not scary. No, if they play the Newfoundland barebacks, I'm going to lose my fucking mind. I'm going to lose my fucking mind. I swear to God. Because that will be just too much for me to handle.

I can't take it. I can't take it. I can't take it if that's what happens. I really can't. And the Quebec fucking hot beef injection. I can't do it. I can't do it.

I'm out at that point. I'm fucking out. The Montreal Raw Dogs. Here we go. Yeah, the Montreal Raw Dogs. Let's do this. It's what he plays for after the Rough Riders release.

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to Red Circle Sports with me, Dennis Miller, on the Podcast One app at podcastone.com or on Apple Podcasts. And don't forget to rate, review, and share. Be there or be square. So this shit here, they, ooh, this made me the maddest of all. Rough Riders officials admitted they knew he had hiv for more than a year what the fuck and not only continued to allow him to play did not tell anybody they said that the privacy laws prevented other players from being informed about his illness my christ are you motherfucking kidding me are you kidding me are you kidding me you're

not entitled to privacy dude and i i don't even give a shit if they just pulled him aside and were like, dude, we know you have HIV. We don't want to out you, but eh. How about the safety of the other players? Yes. At minimal, if you're not concerned about the fucking public, give a shit about the people in your organization. public. Give a shit about the people in your organization. And most of the people aren't worried about the football thing because they did a study in the NFL

about possibility of transmission of HIV in football. Exactly. It's one of those things where it's like, come on here. There's a way that it's transmitted. It's through bodily fluids and they are fully exchanged on a football field. They found out October 31st of the year before the Regina

police told the team that there was a probability of charges against him. And the team asked him to get an HIV test at that time because the cops told him about it. And he did, and it was positive. And so the team had a positive HIV test. Jesus. So November, he's arrested in Regina for that new one there. November 2005, he's going for bail. He's released on $10,000 bail.

Oh, my God. Let's let this guy out into the streets. Why would they do that? Well, the conditions of this release are pretty prohibiting. He is not allowed to be alone with women other than his wife and family. Not allowed to be alone with women. He's like a priest. He's turned into a Muslim now.

He's turned into a fucking cleric. You're not allowed to be alone with women. There's a celebrity he's turned into a muslim now fucking cleric you're not allowed to be alone with women there's a celebrity i forget who it is that does that like mike pence is that it's our vice president won't have and we're gonna it's not we're not getting political no i love that you just tagged it right i know exactly what it is i'm a political junkie what a ridiculous fucking policy yeah well yeah that's crazy but never we're not talking about politics. That's a completely different thing. No, it's just a dumb policy. How fucking dangerous are you that you can't be in the same room with a woman?

Maybe Mike Pence has an HIV cock that he can't stop from sticking to people. Holy shit. Wow. Did we just find something? I think we just figured out that Mike Pence has HIV and has a very hard time controlling himself, spreading it to as many women as possible. That's really disturbing to hear about the Vice President of the United States. Wow.

Tough, you know? You expect more out of people. You really do. You wouldn't expect that from a guy with that fucking hairdo. No, that haircut looks pretty square. Apparently, he's just dipping his wick wherever he can. It's just very sad. Is that an HIV Boy Scout cut? Is that what that is? I think it is. That's what that is. When he sits down in the barber chair, he sad. Is that an HIV Boy Scout cut?

Is that what that is? I think it is. That's what that is. When he sits down in the barber chair, he goes, give me the HIV Boy Scout. HIV Boy Scout. And they're like, okay. So Boy Scout with a hint of foot under the stall bathroom sex. Gotcha.

We know what to do. Give me the Eagle Scout. Can you give me that? HIV Eagle Scout. You're not opposed to rest area sex. We get it. Okay okay that's what we want to show once again not political just funny so so he is not allowed to be in the presence of women got it uh he is barred from visiting nightclubs and he's also issued a curfew uh he

has to be home from 11 p.m to 7 a.m and., and he has to remain in Regina, Saskatchewan, and surrender his passport. He's also informed that he could have no communications or visits with the accusers at all. Now, the problem is one of the accusers, I think it's the Regina girl, ends up trying to contact him. Okay. Then later on, as we'll get into, someone tries to help him break his – it's all women, too. Here's a question, though. With all those stipulations, how are they going to enforce that? How are you going to keep that man out of a nightclub?

Yeah. Is his fucking picture up like Jeffrey Dahmer somewhere? How are you going to keep him from being alone with a woman? Right. Unless you have a guy standing next to him the whole time. Right. Unless you have a guy standing next to him the whole time. Right.

Now, after his bail hearing, his lawyer, Phil Harrison, who you can't get any more silver-haired and middle-aged than this asshole right here. He described Smith as, quote, an educated, quiet, strong individual who has done a lot of good work in the community. He denies the charges and will plead not guilty. He's also spread HIV throughout the community. Good work. It took a lot of time. It did. It really did here.

But the one thing the court places no conditions on is whether he's allowed to play for football. That's not in there. He's not played since he's been arrested because he's been a little bit busy. And Saskatchewan went ahead and put him on the disabled list. They were like, he's probably not going to come back this year. How about the IR? Yeah. Let's do that. So, yeah, the league declines to count.

The league won't even say anything. They're declining the comment. They're like, after court. You just saw what? I just saw the game line up, and they're like, out this week, Travis Smith with a sick dick. With a sick dick. Oh, man. We had Javar Harrington out this week

with a slipped disc. Did you say slipped disc? No, no, I said sick dick for Travis. Sick dick, it's diseased and it's dangerous to others, as a matter of fact. Travis for sure has a sick dick, but yes, Javar Harrington has a slipped disc.

He's out with danger penis, is what the medical term of it is. Danger penis. Cock flu. He's got the cock flu. I like it. Was he an agent? No, no, it's cock flu.

It's cock flu. It's a birth flu. It's cock flu. It's different. It's not the cock flu. Yeah, you get it. It's similar. Not everybody is happy about him being able to play football, as you might imagine.

Tony Miles, who's a wide receiver for the Argonauts, said he was shocked that he wasn't informed about the illness. He said, quote, I don't want to be the one who goes out and plays a sport that I love and comes home HIV positive. I'm just overwhelmed that he was out there playing while HIV positive and carrying on with his everyday life like everyone else. He was walking around and talking to the guys in the locker room, and he was HIV positive. They're making it sound like he's a zombie. He's not a mummy. He's walking around and talking to the guys in the locker room and he was HIV positive. They're making it sound like he's a zombie.

He's not a mummy. He's just walking around talking to people. Like when you have HIV, then you just don't talk to anyone. He's a grunt. You're just a grunt. You go sit in the closet and if anyone opens it, you go, and then they close it again. That's it.

He's just out there living. He's just out there having a great time. I saw him eating food. He was breathing. I was like, what you doing eating food? You're HIV positive. He's just out there having a great time. I saw him eating food. He was breathing. I was like, what you doing eating food? You're HIV positive. What's wrong with you? You don't eat falafels when you're HIV positive, motherfucker.

He's in the locker room just, what goes on in the locker room that you're so scared? That convinces me that they are in there just tugging away, just yanking and spewing their football seed all over that fucking locker room this just made me think of like the funny thing is like i think about certain shit and like this just made me think of if i told this story to my grandmother if i told the story to grandma not racist grandma other grandma skin of seal grandma skin of seal grandma if i told her this story until the hiv she would

have been on his side that's the funny part she would have been 100 on his side that's amazing she uh was angry yeah angry at hillary clinton when bill clinton cheated on her she's angry at her she said if you pay attention to your husband maybe he don't go out and do that. What's wrong with you? She was mad at Hillary Clinton for not stopping him. And she told me a story once. Real quick sidetrack. She's the original Chris Rock. She's Italian Chris Rock.

She is. Going, you suck that man's dick. You suck that man's dick. Yeah, she was saying this at the time, being an elderly foreigner. She said at one point, she tells me a story. This was meant to be a nice story, by the way, about my grandfather. Amazing. I meet your grandfather and, you know, we talk and he liked me because I'm from Italy.

And he said, oh, you know, another girl from Italy. So, you know, we're engaged, she tells me, and he goes out with my brothers. And she's got fucking 10 brothers and sisters, right? So this is like in the Bronx, you know, circa 1951. Sure. He goes out with the brothers. I'm expecting they went out drinking. She goes, so they go to the whorehouse.

What? Pardon? Back that up, girl. The whorehouse with the women. I said, you said whorehouse. She was mad at me for questioning what she said. You didn't say warehouse, right? When's the last time your grandmother brought up the word whorehouse. She was mad at me for questioning what she said. You didn't say warehouse, right? When's the last time your grandmother brought up the word whorehouse in a sentence, especially

talking about your deceased grandfather? It doesn't come up often. I'm like, whorehouse? What the fuck are you talking about? She said, yeah, they go to the whorehouse, you know, because that's what the men do. She's like, well, that's what they do. She said, well, what man doesn't fuck around? She said those words. What man doesn't do that? That's what they do. She said, well, what man doesn't fuck around? She said those words.

What man doesn't do that? That's what they do. They're men. You're not a man unless you fuck around with her. So she said, well, they went to the whorehouse and, you know, they go. And my brother said that Joe is a good man because he said, I'm engaged. I'm going to get married soon, so I'm going to not do this one. So he didn't go to the whorehouse that night because he was engaged.

That's how nice your grandfather. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, literally not this time. I'm going to be married in two weeks, so not now. Two months ago, maybe. She told us a story of like, what a triumph. The dignity in this man. And I'm just thinking about this and my grandmother would go,

my yes, he's a man. Women like him. Of course he's going to have sex with them. That's what they're there for. He's a man. That's what she would say. I swear to God. And I hope she doesn't listen to this show.

Unbelievable. Yeah. Sounds fucking ridiculous. I don't know why I had to tell that. By the way. Listen, you didn't call her a dipshit. I just called my dad a dipshit 30 minutes ago. I just kind of, what the fuck?

So 1992, the National Football League here did a study on what the chance of HIV contraction player to player. Your grandma would defend my dad. Oh, yeah. She would. But was he nice to you? She would say, did he provide a home for you? He provide a home? Because that's what she would say.

She'd give you what you need, but leave him alone. Let him do what he wants to do. That's her thing. As long as you put food on the table and the bills are paid, you go fuck anybody you want. Well, thank Christ the bills weren't paid. Okay, yeah. I don't know what happened there. Fuck him then, right?

Yeah. At that point, who cares? At that point, who cares? This study by the NFL determined there is a 1 in 85 million chance of HIV contraction through player-to-player on-field contact. That's their— 1 in 85 million. I want to know what scientist wrote that shit up. Yeah, that's a 92 also, so who knows what they're— Is that going by the odds of that particular player being on the field?

Well, I guess the odds of you being out there, being covered in a... It's not like boxing where you're all open and you're rubbing heads together. Yeah, but your fucking elbows are exposed. Your elbows are exposed. But to have HIV exposure, and this I do know, to have HIV exposure, a scraped elbow and a scraped elbow won't do it. It has to be a deep... I'm not buying it.

You have to have a gash that someone else then bleeds into. We're going to scrape your elbow. I'm going to find somebody with HIV. I'm not saying I want to do it, but I'm saying. We'll see what's what. Reactions to this. People are surprised, obviously, because he's a beloved Bible thumping great guy. Former teammate of his, George White, said, quote, I know Travis and how he acts, how

polite he is. I could see how those women thought they were in an exclusive relationship. I still think Travis is a good person. It sucks to see him where he is. OK, this is not the only person that says that here. They say that, you know, why? Why can't he do this? He's an athlete.

The guys, you know, what the hell? One guy says, quote, when guys are away, they'll choose to do what they do. But I think Smith's story is an isolated incident. My Christ. Everyone else would have been fine with it. Yeah. It's one guy here, a sports psychologist at the University of Calgary, a David Paskevich, said something about this. He doesn't – he's not buying isolation.

He says, quote, if we ever learned anything against it, it would have been after the Magic Johnson announced he had HIV in 1991. He was at the top of his game, and yet how did he get infected? Athletes are like kids walking into a candy store, and there are women who are attracted to that kind of power, money, and prestige. At the end of the day, it comes down to personal accountability. He could be out doing anything, and he was out doing anything. And the woman, the Amanda lady, is pissed at his wife. Really? Tamika's defending him.

Tamika's calling the women names and defending him. Oh, Jesus. It's not like she's like, oh, fuck that. He went out, got AIDS behind my back, got HIV behind my back, and had sex with and cheated on me with all these women. She was like, nope, those women are skanks. They deserve it. I don't understand it, man. But this Amanda lady's not happy.

She said, quote, he could have killed me. I wish them all luck. I don't understand how they stand behind him. Because he also had an old girlfriend at court backing him up, which is crazy. Tamika took a drug test. No, an AIDS test before she said all this shit, right? I would imagine she did, yeah. Another thing, a teammate of his, Andrew Green, said, quote, I have nothing negative to say about Travis.

He's a good friend of mine. I support him 100%. My God. All the players interviewed, except for the one we discussed, all the players on his team anyway, said they had no hesitation playing with him. Should he be found not guilty, he should be allowed to keep playing. They said that it's super small, the risk of contracting it on the field. There's never been a recorded case of that happening. Yeah, another guy, Murray, the aquatic trainer guy, said, quote, I have nothing bad to say about Trevis.

He's very humble, intelligent, courteous. When the charges broke, we all played cards, and I told him, you'll get through it. And then he said, chlorine kills AIDS, right? Yeah, that chlorine. I'm good, right? Because I've been around you a lot. I've been in the pool a lot. We were in the same pool together.

That's all I'm saying. You know he pissed in that. So, you know, just a thought here. Also, let's get back to Spence McCracken. Yes. Spence McCracken says he said that he last saw him a few years ago. He said, first of all, he tells a reporter,

quote, you tell Travis I love him and I want to talk to him, number one. He says, quote, I hated hearing of the charges. I hope he ain't guilty. I would trust him with my wife and kids. Don't do that. As long as his dick's in his pants, he's fine. If his dick's out, don't trust him with anybody. I mean, I'd trust anybody around my wife and kids as long as they're not sexual predators.

Hey, when his dick's away, he's fine. Right. You trust him around anybody. Great dude. Boy, when his dick starts getting hard, watch out, man. Now, his mother's pissed. Yeah. Not at him.

His mother's pissed at the women. His mother's pissed at him. His mother is pissed at the women. His mother is pissed at everybody. His mother is like grandma over here. His mother said, quote, she fights and finds everything that everyone is saying about Travis, quote, very sickening. She said, quote, I'm through with it. That's my child and I have no comment whatsoever. Everybody has just rushed to judgment. Wow.

I gave her an Alabama black baby. Yeah, that's good. They just rushed to judgment. Wow. I gave her an Alabama black lady. Yeah, that's good. That's fine. They just rushed to judgment. Yeah, so that's it. And there's no complaints filed against him in his hometown in Alabama, in Montgomery. A police officer there said, quote, we don't have any kind of ongoing investigation. The only information we have is what we've read in the media. It is at this moment that the Rough Riders implement a code of conduct for their employees.

A new thing here. You know,iders implement a code of conduct for their employees, a new thing here, you know, just a general code of conduct. They also hire a new GM to change the culture. Different kind of guy. His name is Eric Tillman. He's from Mississippi. He's a minister. He is going to change the culture and make it, we're not going out there now doing all

this sexual assault and all this shit, right? Okay, remember Eric Tillman. So back to Paul Harrison. But when you change things, like, you know, you look guilty. Yes. Like when you start changing policies after an event, you look like you did. It's like you're trying to avoid something that you didn't avoid last time. His lawyer, the silver-haired middle-aged Paul Harrison here again, says, quote, he loves the game.

He wants to play and get back to his teammates. He's doing very well, exercising, going to movies, seeing his bail supervisor. He also said that Tamika and the girls moved to Regina a few months ago. He called her, quote, a very nice lady. They've stayed as level-headed and positive as they can be. Yeah. And then the girls got a lesson in don't use daddy's razor. Don't use daddy's toothbrush.

That's it. Anything that goes in daddy's body, do not use. And we have on this, a reporter tried to get a hold of Smith on his cell phone, and he talked to him very, very briefly. And we have our one and only, in their own words, from Travis Smith on the whole situation. Travis, what do you have to say? In their own words, quote, I don't read the papers, man. The media's already said all they want to say. I'm not going to talk until all this shit is over with.

That's it. That's what we get out of him. No interest in talking here. His lawyer wouldn't confirm that he confirmed or deny that he had HIV even at all. The trial in Vancouver is a judge only trial. And if it's convicted, there's no minimum sentence. But the maximum sentence is life for this sort of thing. But I don't think he's they're not saying he's going to get life, I guess, in cases like this.

In the past, it's about about two to 10 years in that range, depending on how egregious it absolutely was here. They said that they need to prove four elements beyond a reasonable doubt. They have to prove that he knew he had HIV, had sex with the women, didn't disclose his status with the women, and didn't use a condom, which is all pretty easily provable based on them just going, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, fuck it, go on. So, yeah, he is confident, the lawyer is confident that he'll be found not guilty. He said, what color is my hair, asshole? Silver.

Not guilty. He said, quote, we never thought there should have been any charges in the first place. Yeah. The Amanda lady disagrees. She says, quote, he thinks he's done nothing wrong. He said, yes, he's a nice guy on the surface, but he hasn't learned anything. If he can lie, he'll lie. How could he do this to all of us?

Pissed off. So he's out on bail. Yeah. hasn't learned anything if he can lie he'll lie how could he do this to all of us pissed off uh so he's out on bail yeah uh violates the terms of his release several times uh several times uh he ends up being rearrested wow uh because uh yeah according to his wife this happened because a female friend communicated directly with travis offering him a painting job because he has no fucking money at all and he accepted a painting job because he has no fucking money at all. And he accepted the painting job. This wasn't reported by the friend, but the contact with the woman was discovered by police

and they considered it a violation of his release conditions. So he was once again thrown back in the fucking can. Got it. Which makes sense. This goes to trial. This goes all the way to trial. Amanda testifies at trial. She says the whole deal. Met him

at the nightclub. She said, I asked him if it was true. He said no, it wasn't true. She would have had it years ago. Blah, blah, blah. She went through the whole story on the stand. She's crying. The whole deal. This looks bad. He gets on the stand in his own defense. He actually takes

the stand. He said that he told her about his diagnosis when he first found out, and then they started using condoms. He also says he didn't have sex with the girl in Regina at all after the test, which they all are like, no, he's been having sex constantly. She said they had unprotected sex several times after he found out he was HIV positive, never told her basically all the conditions they need from then on. Luckily, neither of those women tested positive. The lawyers are going to have they're going to try to appeal on this later on. But they're saying that the judge, the judge is basically as it inform is what they're saying. They're saying that because his his testimony, Travis testimony, contradicts the evidence of the victims. It also contradicts previous statements he gave to police and nurses when he got HIV, an agreed statement of facts entered by his lawyer.

The whole deal. The judge called him, quote, totally unbelievable at points, which is not great here. What they need is a woman with AIDS that got it from him. That's what they need. Absolutely. That's exactly got it from him. That's what they need. Absolutely. That's exactly what it is. And the judge said bullshit. You only disclosed your HIV status to everybody when the police cornered you and questioned you.

And you knew you had to do that here. You're more concerned with football than anything else. Yeah, that's no shit. He keeps playing. Tamika sat there the whole side, just by his side the whole time. February 8, 2007 is the verdict. He is found guilty of two counts of aggravated sexual assault. So that is bad for him.

He stated, the judge, the sentencing is later on in the month, but the judge stated that he will do jail time. He has not decided how much jail time he will do. There's a woman, another woman, who we're going to talk about a couple more here. Okay. Another woman who he got in his little web here, she was watching the trial. Yeah. And she couldn't believe that he actually was found guilty. Yeah.

She said, did he just say guilty? And she said, I went, oh, yes, oh, yes. She was just so excited about him being found guilty. He appeals it right away in February. This is before he's even sentenced. He's already appealing. His lawyer said, quote, We believe that the judge failed to apply correctly the reasonable doubt test. The second ground for appeal is that the judge disregarded evidence submitted by the defense. No, they just didn't believe him. Right. That's a way different thing here.

disregarded evidence submitted by the defense. No, they just didn't believe him. Right. That's a way different thing here. And that's what they stated. They stated that the fact that Belarus said that he found the woman's stories more credible, the lawyer said, you know, that's prejudice against my client. No, it's not.

They said the learned trial judge failed when he chose the versions of the plaintiffs, trying to fit the accused testimony with the evidence by two plaintiffs. So that's what he's saying here. Now, the Canadian HIV AIDS Legal Network says in other cases, jail sentences have been like from about two to 15 years, anywhere in there. And he's going to go to prison at some point. We're going to find out for how long. But first, let's find out about a couple other people here. Okay.

By the way, the Amanda girl, she had red flags, and we'll talk about a couple of them here. She said there was ample clues that he was seeing other women. One, Travis had told her about his first daughter, but said that he wasn't with the girl's mother anymore when they had actually just been married. This was right after they got married. This happened here. had actually just been married. This was right after they got married. This happened here.

She said later she flew to Regina to surprise him for his birthday, and she stood on the porch, on his front porch, holding a cake that she made for him, and he pulled up with another woman in the car. Holy shit. How do you think he handled this? What the, this is my sister? What did he do?

Drove off quickly. Wow. Didn't even try to explain it. Wow. Drove off quickly, came back by himself, and he said that was just a friend that needed a ride home, and that's all he was doing. Jesus Christ, man. Oh, baby, I was just giving a friend a ride home, and I forgot that I pulled into my drive. I thought I pulled into her drive.

Yeah, I messed up. So what had happened was. What had happened was, she said during other trips she went to Regina and one point. How is that? What happened? How do you accept? I don't know. How do you accept that as an excuse?

I don't know. There's another woman in the car. You saw me, didn't expect me, then drove away quickly. Did you? And I just said I was dropping a friend off at home. Yeah, you need to say, I don't think so. I'm going home. That should have been end of the relationship.

You should have mushed the cake in his face and said, fuck you. Exactly here. So anyway, he just, one other time they're out having drinks and shopping and stuff and with another woman who he said was his friend. Now later on, Amanda learned that he was also involved with her too. So he was involved with the woman in the car, the woman they were having drinks. He was having her out with this woman and telling the other woman, hey, that's my girl. Don't say nothing.

Yeah. And then he was, this is fucking incredible. He's out with his girlfriend and his girlfriend in the same place. Yeah. Meanwhile, he's married on top of everything. She said, quote, he's pretty gutsy, huh? No doubt. And then she said, but when we were apart, he'd call me five times a day.

When would he have time for anyone else? Which is a really valid question. Jesus Christ. And that's what everybody said about him. Her description is nothing. It's the same as everybody's. They all said they'd fall in love with him. He'd said, I'm in love with you, too.

At some point, he would get them to stop wearing condoms when they had sex. And then when they realized he was married or dating 12 other women, they would flip. Now, here's another one. God, Jesus. A woman they called Bonnie here. She said,

quote, he tells each of us he's the only one and loves us. He was never mean or abusive to me. Yeah, she also had sex with him without a condom. She said, quote, I thought I was in a relationship. She got suspicious when she found a romantic letter in his bag from a woman in Alabama who signed it, your wife. Oh, boy.

She said, that's curious. Let's find out about that. He said the marriage had been annulled, but this Tamika down there, she's just still hung up on me, man. That's boy. She said, that's curious. Let's find out about that. He said the marriage had been annulled, but this Tamika down there, she's just still hung up on me, man. That's all. We have two kids and we're married. And we're still married. Yeah. So they eventually broke

up when she walked into his apartment and found him with another woman. And he didn't stop. They just kept going. Hold on, baby. You know where he said he was when he was seeing this other woman? Where? Out jogging. Oh, wow.

He'd say, I'm going jogging. And then he'd go have sex with another woman. Jogging. The balls on this fucking guy. Fucking unbelievable. Jesus Christ, man. So this lady walked in on these two. Yeah.

And Bonnie, this woman, Bonnie said, quote, that's what it took to clue me in. Wow. For him humping somebody on his couch. She had to see his dick physically in another person. quote, that's what it took to clue me in. Wow. Him humping somebody on his couch. She had to see his dick physically in another person. Yeah, that's the thing. She said she heard rumors about the HIV, and she called him, and he said he didn't have HIV. She said, quote, if you cared about someone, you wouldn't do these things to them. It's not our fault he lied to us.

Yeah. Now, while with Bonnie, he was seeing another woman while out jogging here. He met this woman called Carmen. He's a running motherfucker. Oh, he is running, man. She said the same thing. This was Christmas 2001. Carmen brought Travis to her parents' house in southern Saskatchewan.

He told Carmen's parents how much he loved her, and they have this big future and all this shit. This was just when he had a baby. Get the fuck out of here. He just had a baby. He was married. They opened presents. He gave her a Bible with a real christian loving inscription in it carmen says quote that's a bit hypocritical don't you think i would say a little bit i would say here uh now at this time they're they were living together in canada so he's now living with someone

wow this is before the amanda thing but while he's before he's married officially, but while he has a baby and is with this woman and planning on getting married. Okay. So he takes her to Alabama to meet his family. What? To meet his family. Tamika's in that town. They thought they were getting, she thought they were getting married. Wow.

During the trip home, he took her to the Alabama stadium there, showed her his handprint alongside the other people, the football people, took her out like it was his, you know, just like his girlfriend. This is my girlfriend. I have nothing to hide. In spring of 2002, while they were dating, he went to Alabama alone for a couple weeks. Yeah. And then she noticed an Alabama number on the phone bill you know what he was doing in the spring of 2002 marrying tamika oh my god that's why i said remember that because

he was marrying fucking tamika uh she called the number on the phone bill she said uh she said quote a woman answered and i said your number's on my phone bill who are you the woman replied that she was his wife they had just been married during his trip home in the past month. This was just days. He got married just before he went to Christmas dinner at her parents' house and said that they were going to get married and all this. And that she, Tamika also said, oh, by the way, we have a daughter. What a dickhole. The whole deal.

So she broke up with him immediately. Then in September of 2004, the police came and they said, hey, do you have sex with him at all? Because you should probably get tested. She does not have HIV. She, I think, got rid of him before. And she said,

quote, if he had given me HIV, I'd fucking kill him. Which I love. My favorite quote. That Canadian girl is mean as fuck. Okay. Whatever her real name is, that's what you should name your football team. Yes, that lady. She is fucking vicious.

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So a woman named Pam here, she starts dating Travis in 2002. They met at a gas station. He can pick up chicks at a gas station. Listen to how smooth he is. She said, quote, he almost hit me with his car. We laughed and he asked me for my number. What? That's how smooth this guy is.

I almost killed you. I almost injured you. Maybe we should go out sometime. Oh, fuck. I almost memed you, but since I didn't, do you like to fuck? Yeah, just checking out. On the off chance you like dick. She said, quote, he'd call me four or five times a day.

We'd watch movies and hang out. He always made me laugh. So just, you know, like everybody. This is in 2002. This guy with the phone. Think about this. He's married. Yeah.

He's dating three other people. Yet he's calling him four or five times a day. How does he have time for this shit? What the fuck? I don't have time to tweet back at our listeners when I really want to. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how this guy does this shit wow it's insane so uh in early 2003 they had a you know a little relationship talk uh they both said they were monogamous they had said they had no stds both of them so since we're in this monogamous relationship together we're both clean we don't need condoms, right? Oh, boy. So they start having, you know, unprotected sex.

She said that he told her that he loved her, the whole deal. And then in March 2003, she started getting flu-like symptoms, very bad flu-like symptoms. It hurt to take a bath even or even to lay too long in bed. Her chest? Everything. She just hurt to touch. Oh, my God.

Her skin hurt? Her skin to the touch like flu, like a bad flu. She was very nauseous, and her gums were even bleeding. Oh, my God. Her temperature spiked up. She had a bad temperature for several days. So they end up breaking up in October 2003, and she calls his house, and his wife answers because she lives there because

he's fucking married uh she started asking around and uh she said that she found out there was other women besides her and besides tamika in the picture uh she said quote i found out i found out he was sleeping with numerous women so i went to get tested for STDs, and she got her results back November 5, 2003, that she's HIV positive. Oh, fuck. HIV positive when she was sick back in the beginning of the summer. They think that was the – a lot of times when you first get HIV, you'll get sick at first. It's an initial infection thing. So, yeah, that's what they think that was.

She's a nurse also uh yeah she so she tried to uh she said quote uh just burst out in tears right away i was numb i almost threw up a couple of times i don't fucking blame her so she went and notified all of her ex partners because she's not a piece of shit right uh they all actually none of them tested positive so they were lucky and whatever uh so she called she called trevis at that time she said quote uh that was the last time we spoke he tried to call back but i blocked his number and then changed my number wow so yeah uh she also called the regina police to file a complaint against him no charges ever brought in that case oddly enough the one woman

who actually had it because the problem is they didn't know that they don't know if he knew at that point. Gotcha. That's the thing. He was being careless, but they don't know if it was criminal or just being careless. But she tested, she contacted him and told him about that and said, you should probably get tested. And that's when he went and tested November 2003 right after her. Gotcha. That's when he tested positive for HIV. And then the other teammate had a relationship with her also. Remember, we talked about that. It all comes full circle.

Yeah. Come on here. Yeah, so she went to the police. She said, quote, I figured no one else had the strength to come forward. This man needs to be stopped before he infects somebody else. Yeah. Yeah, I would say so. Oh, she also contacted the Rough Riders general manager, Roy Shivers, about it.

Never got back to her. What the fuck? Didn't even fucking call her back. What a dick. Ignored her. Silver-haired, middle-aged asshole. Sick fucker. Yeah, so she's had a hard time getting the police to even try to look into it.

She said, quote, I feel I won't be able to move on to the next step of my life until I have at least forgiven him. How about fuck that? Yeah. You don't need to forgive him. She can't work full time. This is just in a few years.

She sleeps over 10 hours a night, has to take series of the whole ritual, the whole medication, all the different pills. She also takes antidepressants. For sure. She's a psychologist because she's fucking depressed. She said, quote, the pills give me weird dreams. I'm usually dizzy when I wake up. What a fucking mess of a disaster.

She got depressed and started to want to attempt suicide. She wanted to kill herself on New Year's Day 2005. She wrote suicide notes to her kids saying, it's mommy. I regret leaving you. I got sick and I don't want to live that way. I don't want you to see me suffer. I've decided

to leave this life with what little dignity and pride I have left. She wrote suicide notes to her mom and dad. It's fucking so sad. Jesus Christ. She says a little later on, quote, some days are really good now, but others I wonder if I'll live to see my daughter graduate from high school. Jesus Christ, man. Then she says at the end here, when Travis and I were together, he was kind and nice and always made me feel always made my day better. But he's also a

very good liar. So she nailed it. One hundred percent. Yes. So this fucking asshole, he's in jail being a dickhead. Yeah, he deserves to be in jail. He really fucking does. Liquid shits and cold sweats. She sweats she's she's got that he's fine he's not sick he's he's never shows any symptoms he's not sick there at all he's doing fine uh there he's sitting because he got thrown back in the joint uh he's waiting to you know get sentenced and all that he's just waiting there and he goes out in the visitor thing because they have the visiting hours he goes out there and he's very surprised to see a visitor there. It's my grandma.

So weird. And she says, Ma, how is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Yes, you have right to go out. You should be putting your thing in everybody. That's what you do. You're a man. You're very handsome. thing in everybody. That's what you do. You're a man.

You're very handsome. You're shiny like the skin of the seal. There's no way you should not have all the women out there for, I don't even know what that means, HIV, PCIP, whatever. You're a nice boy, and it's okay. You're a nice boy. Oh, my God. You don't let that judge tell you nothing. You're a man.

You should do that. Poof. She, my God. You don't let that judge tell you nothing. You're a man. You should do that. What's wrong? Poof. She's so forgiving. And in a poof of marinara sauce. No, she's not forgiving. That's the thing. To anything except men fucking around.

It's the only thing she's okay with. Everything else, hate you forever. In a poof of marinara and perfectly seasoned ricotta. Perfectly seasoned ravioli ricotta. She's gone. Perfectly seasoned ravioli ricotta. She's gone. Perfectly seasoned. Thank you.

That's perfect. February 26, 2007 is sentencing. Yeah. Sentencing. He is before Judge Ken Bellerose, who's the same one who convicted him here. He gets him in front. Smith doesn't have too much to say for himself other than, hey, what the fuck, man? I'm cool. Judge says, I don't think so.

He says, you, sir, may fuck off. Five and a half years in prison, asshole. That's pretty steep. That's not bad for knowingly doing that. And also, just on top of that, here's another six months for other horseshit bail violations and everything else. All that fucking around you were doing out on bail. Make it six years. How's that? He files an appeal pretty quickly.

Tamika has his back. Shana Mayfield award winner. We're going to have a supportive wife award for that. She's pissed off at everybody else. Super pissed off. She said he took a second test and said that he didn't have any detectable virus. So I don't even think he has AIDS. Whether he has HIV or not is a completely. Okay. virus. So I don't even think he has AIDS. Whether he has HIV or not is a completely.

OK. She's saying I don't even think he has it. Never mind giving it to people. This is ridiculous. She says it's not even the infidelity doesn't piss her off. She says, you know, that's just a youthful football guy on there. This is my grandmother. You know, so she's always being.

She says he's a guy, a star on the road in a foreign country being offered sexual favors all over the place. And they said, well, you know, what about now? And she said, quote, Travis is in a safe place right now laughing like I got him locked down. I don't think so. He might go out for a fucking run. She also shifted the responsibility to other women. She also said, she said, quote, it's like an unwanted pregnancy. It still takes two to tango, foxtrot, or boogie.

You're aware that sperm can make you pregnant. You're not aware that he has HIV. Much different. Much different. August of 2008. God, she's an asshole. She's such an asshole. Jesus. August of 2008. God, she's an asshole. She's such an asshole. Jesus.

August of 2008, he appeals. They say that the judge already made up his mind before he even listened to the defense. He said there was no presumption of innocence for him at all. They just said he's guilty as charged right away. And the judge was very sympathetic. He listened. Then he said, yeah, don't give a fuck. Back in prison with this asshole. Don't care. Appeal denied, dickhead.

We don't really give a shit. He said that, quote, we are unable to see any basis for interfering with the trial judge's conclusion. He said that the, quote, open to the trial judge to disbelieve Smith and to find the defense evidence did not raise a reasonable doubt. Yeah, you can't blame the jury or the judge in this case for not believing you and believing the other side that's what a court case is right that's the whole point of the i deserve an appeal i deserve to get out because he didn't believe me when i lied to him i lied right here in court i swore on the bible right to him believe me right to that judge's face bullshit you didn't get it yeah so man uh his lawyer said that he's willing to take the case all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Wow. He doesn't give a shit. But he doesn't have to because January 14, 2009, he's granted a full parole after serving about two years in prison. He had a parole hearing there. The panel said that it believes Smith has insight into what he did and will be a manageable risk when released. Because this guy can obviously control his dick. They also said that a deportation order will be executed once he's released. Shit cannon him back to the U.S. though.

You may leave now, sir. We don't need you. Get the fuck out of this country. Take your HIV and tell your story walking, pal. Tell it to customs as you cross the border. Hopefully you won't have to check your AIDS at the border. Would you have anything to declare, sir? Nope.

I don't declare shit to anybody. No fruit, but I do have HIV. So, yeah, they're going to shit can him. He had to answer questions for more than an hour. They were saying how he was dripping sweat like Patrick Ewing off his bald head and he's wiping. That's a sweaty thing too, man. He says about the whole thing he's fine

with it. He's undeterred by the whole thing. He said that embarrassment. Now he admits to the board he can't go in front of this parole board and say I don't even have HIV. I don't know what you're talking about. He's got to show contrition here. He says that embarrassment and denial of his diagnosis and poor communication skills led

to his crime. Any man who can get that much ass has good communication skills. He said he's completed a sex offender course and learned from him his mistakes behind bars. He said, quote, as bad as it may seem, this is probably the best thing that ever happened to me. My God. You're an asshole. Wow.

You have HIV, bro. Yeah. That is probably the best thing that ever happened to me. My God. You're an asshole. Wow. You have HIV, bro. That is not a positive thing. No. It's not positive. He said he's not going to be a professional athlete anymore. He says he's going to join his wife and two children in Alabama. He's going to become a substitute teacher and coach football. Oh, my God.

The board questioned whether he would be allowed to work with children, and he said it shouldn't be a problem. Quote, I won't have a criminal record in Alabama, so it's fine. So if he plans to return to Canada at all in the next four years, he'll have to let the government officials know beforehand. And of course, he's barred with having any contact with the women who took him to court. There was several women there asking that he be kept behind bars, which I thought was interesting.

That's not terrific here. She once said, quote, I believe Mr. Smith will be a danger to the community. He lives in a world of denial and selfishness, I would say. They said reports, the board said reports have described him as impulsive and hyper sexed with an inflated ego and a self of entitlement. But Smith said that his isolated time in prison helped him realize that he needs to change and that his family is the most important and only thing in his life. Read what they said about him one more time.

Jesus Christ. Let's see here. That he's an impulsive, hyper-sexed man with an inflated ego and a sense of entitlement. That is a fucking athlete. That's an athlete. That's everybody. This might as well be called- That is a fucking athlete. That's an athlete. That's everybody. This might as well be called. That's a professional athlete.

Crime and impulsive hyper sex with inflated ego and self of entitlement. That's what the show should be called. Not crime and sports. That is unbelievable. That's the definition. Yeah. That's the definition of sport. Right.

Impulsive hyper sex with inflated ego and self of entitlement. And a ball usually. Right. I'll throw that in there. And an object to a game that's it uh he said that he's gonna work hard to stay faithful to his wife who's supported him through the whole trial despite evidence of so many affairs he can't even count them all the judge or a board member on this terry elliott said quote you're a lucky man She still supports you after all you've done. No doubt. Yeah, no shit.

February 3rd, 2009, the general manager of the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, remember him? Yeah. The Mississippi minister has been put on leave while he faces charges of sexual assault. Oh, I love it. Oh, I've been putting that one up. I've had that up my sleeve the whole episode, and I've just been waiting for it, man. Oh, my God. That's fucking amazing his

assistants will replace him uh yeah his uh saskatchewan police say this hypocrisy is delicious oh it gets even more tasty jimmy they salted and peppered this shit just right this is seasoned and seared to a crusty perfection. Oh, Grandma would be so impressed with the seasoning in this. She would. She would, man. Oh, man. This Saskatchewan police say the charges against Tillman stemmed from an alleged encounter with a 16-year-old girl last summer while he was 51.

Wow. Holy fucking shit. We will not have anybody giving AIDS to people. No. But I will fuck children. I will fuck your teenager if I get her in front of me. He is a minister and son of a minister. Of course he is.

He's been involved with football for nearly 30 years. He's a married father of two young children. Yeah. Whole deal. And rapist of children. And not terrific. Yeah. This is great.

I love that they put him in to change the culture because they had a tarnished image. They didn't really want to. We will not fuck adults around here. No, no. We will not fuck adults. Only kids. Wow. So September 13th, 2009, he-

What a piece of shit. Yeah. No shit, man. So he's sent back to Alabama. They wouldn't tell you, tell the agencies in Canada, wouldn't say exactly when he left, but he leaves there. July 2012, he takes a job as the defensive coordinator at Carver High School in Birmingham, Alabama. What? This is a program which from 2007 to 2009 lost 30 straight games.

So this is tough. They need some rebuilding. Oh, yeah. He had a big, like, they brought an assembly in for him and everything. He spoke of the bright future for Carver High School. They said he was a letterman at University of Alabama from 95 to 98. These kids are like, oh, my goodness. This is great.

This is great. This is 2012, by the way. There is Google. Right. It is up and running at this point. Yeah. right it is up and running at this point uh yeah he uh he's he's listed among uh he does a walk of charities volunteer coach the season before it carvery came in and just kind of hung out and volunteered he went from a volunteer assistant to a paid coach wow he's working as the team's

uh defensive coordinator but didn't receive the coaching pay supplement because the school board hadn't made it final yet uh volunteer coaches have to actually pay to get their own background checks done and all that sort of thing. But these background checks, they cover the United States and not other countries. Not international background checks? Not even Canada. Not even Canada. So in August 2012, school system officials started an investigation after a newspaper

reporter questioned the superintendent of the schools about Smith's fucking criminal record. Right. Because he has Google on his fucking phone. Jesus Christ. Because he has an iPhone 4. Yeah, they went up and they said, hey, I found a story saying he was granted full parole after serving two years for, you know, sexual assault. Exposing women to the HIV virus.

They fire him quickly. Really? Oh, fuck. Sexual shit in Alabama with the co- Oh the co fuck no get his aids written down hiv we don't care aids get him out of here fuck him they don't give a shit witherspoon the superintendent said quote he is no longer coaching we had some folks take a look at it that's the that? That's the most Alabama thing I've ever heard. We got some folks take a look at it. Some folks. Okay.

How qualified were these folks? Wow. They were a reporter who had Google. These folks, yeah, Google. These folks with Google. Folks with Google. So they said he will also not be a substitute teacher anymore. And they said, though, they wouldn't comment on the specific reasons for dismissing Smith.

It's called HIV, man. Just say it. The one guy said it was more than likely a combination of several factors. Sure. Yeah. Said that during the recent investigation, Smith was forthcoming, but that his account was a milder version than the events reported in court and everywhere else. Some hoes in Canada said I gave maids, that's all. Yep, he declined comment, but when asked about it,

he said it's just a matter of, quote, a woman scorned. That's what he said, just a woman scorned coming after me. About 12 of them. What a complete asshole, one of which you gave HIV to. Right. And who knows who he gave HIV to that didn't know they got it from him. Right. Because they were, who knows, people were fucking whatever.

Fucking forever. Yeah, that's the thing. So, yeah, that's, the coach doesn't comment on this. That's pretty goddamn interesting. So he clearly didn't disclose that he had HIV when he got hired. He didn't disclose that he was a sex offender. Anything. None of that shit.

And then when they asked him about it, he wasn't completely honest about it. They were like, oh, it's a little less than you told. So, yeah, the reaction to this firing is the kids are pissed. What? The kids liked him. It's a financially strapped area. They don't have a lot of money. They get a guy who played for the University of Alabama for four years, and he's volunteering.

You're going to kick him out? They're like, what are you doing? And now they got a janitor telling them out there to run laps. That's what it is. Their quarterback, Kelly Marsh, said he didn't know anything about Travis's past, but when he heard about it, he said it didn't matter at all to him. Of course not. What the hell does he care?

He said, quote, he wasn't trying to fuck you. He said, quote, he was honestly one of the best coaches on our staff. He showed us stuff I've never seen. He opened up college opportunities for me personally. I'd still want him back. This is hurtful to hear about. Yeah. Also, the senior said, quote, he played a big part in us getting recruiting trips to go to places like Alabama because he had connections.

So you get him in there. Quote, he stayed on us about being a good player, buying into the program, but also about being productive in class and learning our lessons. I've always been told you cannot change somebody's past. I was born and raised in the church to forgive and forget. Wow. Guess what doesn't go away? HIV. That's the problem.

You can't forget something that never goes away. That's the issue. Now, holy shit, good God. First of all, his wife stayed by him this whole time. I feel both bad and angry at her. She's an asshole and I get it at the same time. He's got two daughters. That's what I'm saying.

He's got two fucking daughters, Saskatchewan, the whole country of goddamn Canada. How about a bunch of women he exposed knowingly to HIV? How about poor Pam who actually has HIV? I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. All of them, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Travis Smith, an illustrator on a book called Stamina by Derek Anderson and Alyssa Curry.

He's actually an illustrator on a bunch of other books. That was just the first one I found. Travis Smith, founder at Profound Treatment. He's worked variously as a detox counselor, case manager, and sober companion since entering the field of addiction treatment in 2006. He's a hero. He's a clinically trained interventionist and particularly adept at coordinating care for both addiction and co-occurring disorders.

He's also the founder and case management coordinator at the Holistic Integration Team, which is detox counseling. Travis Smith, a 62 year old man in Brooklyn, New York, who's a manager at Staples. Travis Smith, a realtor in Hendersonville, Tennessee, who's a real character on Twitter, this asshole. It's at Travis Smith, so it's just that. So, sorry, athlete Travis Smith. You can't have it. He says in his description of himself, quote, love all things sport, SEC,

Bama, Titans, Braves, Preds, and my lord, Jesus Christ, number one target for some show, some Twitter show's vitriol. Who cares then? I'm not going to plug some shitty Twitter show. Yeah, fuck him. He's a huge Alabama fan. His

fucking profile picture is him at an Alabama game. He's a white guy. Lucky for him or else it'd really be confusing. But I saw Travis Smith with all his Alabama shit. I'm like, is this him? Is this our guy? No, it's not. He currently follows 717 people and has 376 followers.

And he has 7128 tweets. Jesus Christ. Never shuts the fuck off this guy at all. What a verbose asshole. And finally, Travis Smith, a former football player, high school in Plantation, Florida, at American Heritage High School, who played defensive tackle also, graduated in 2009. And it said that he was being looked at by Georgia Tech, but I could never find any record of him playing for Georgia Tech. Since all this has gone on, Travis is still living out there.

He's still going on. He is now, I guess he admits he has HIV now because he's currently working for AIDS Alabama. AIDSalabama.com is the website. On that website, they have him listed. Travis Smith, game changer program coordinator. Holy shit. So that's what he's doing. At least he's maybe trying to help people, other people to not go around and infect people.

What exactly is a game changer? I think they made up a title for him, is what it's saying. He played in the football league as well. They made up a program, and they're like, call it the game changer program, because he's a football player, and he'll change it. So I guess he does have AIDS now, or HIV anyway. So there's that. Can't get enough of Travis Smith? No.

You can't? Oh, I've had an ass full of it. No shit. You can go to Amazon.com and get a 2004 Canadian football card made by Jogo for $1.49 plus $3.59 shipping. Or go to CanadianFootballCards.com and get a 2001 Jogo football card for $2. $1.50 shipping to Canada, $2.50 to the U.S., everybody. Of course. That is Travis Smith. Wow.

That is a fucked up ass story that's different than any story we've done before. No kidding. That was one where I'm like, yeah, we gotta do this because it's different. He is a fucking nightmare. He's a menace, this guy. He's a terrible... And you never expected that. Is that what you expected? No. Out of any of this? So, uh,

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I was on a roll there for a second. What two names? We gave so much love, and then I stumbled. You piss it away. Sarah D.S. Andino. That's it. Julie Roth, James Cook, Deborah O'Toole, Thomas Cox, Ashley Vaux. Fuck, it's French.

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Burgert. Burgert. That's a tough. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to have that last name. I very much. Burgert. Burgert. That's a tough. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to have that last name. I don't want Burgert. That's kind of awful.

I'm sorry, Burgert. I'm sorry. That's rough, man. Tyler. You can just drop the T and be Burgert. Yeah, do that. I'd be Tyler Burgert. Fuck yeah.

Tyler's a cool name. That's a cowboy name. Yeah. Alex Marchi. I almost called her Marija. It's Mariah. I know her name. Well, look at it.

M-A-R-I-J-E? Yeah, yeah. What the fuck? She's awesome, too. She is. She's fantastic. I saw she was like, I'm disturbed at night listening to this all the time. She has fucking nightmares about it.

Think about what goes on in my brain. Think about that. You see pictures. I see pictures. And not only that, for every one you hear, I look into 10 more before that. James legit sees dead people. Yes. That's a lot.

It's getting disturbing, man. Thanks, Mariah. Mariah, I'm in here. She's Dutch. I don't remember where she's at. Fuck. I'm so bad at fucking contracts. No, not Norway.

I don't remember either. I'm no good at geography. Shane, Finland? Is it Finland? No, it's not. That's Carte. We have a Finnish Shane Caneland. Oh, that's. Is it Finland? No, it's not. That's Carte. We have a Finnish athlete coming up. Oh, fantastic.

I can't wait. Shane Raley. Kathleen Thill. She's here locally in Arizona. Thank you, Kathleen. Oh, cool. Thank you. David Cook.

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I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Oh, no. Where were you going with that? There's too many Bs. There's too many abilities. I went with going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Oh, no. Where were you going? There's too many Vs. There's too many abilities. I went with a profession. Ingrid Stock.

She's the one in Norway that sends the North Korea bucks. Thank you very much, Ingrid. Lauren Odom. Akpan Ekiat. Akate. Akpan Ekiate. Oh. I don't know.

Wow. That's a handle right there, man. It's super wrong. I thought my name was hard. I don't know what that is. Christina Womack. Travis Hess. Esther Wright.

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I ruined this. I knew it. Oh, fuck, I ruined this. I knew it. Oh, fuck. I wrote it down so poorly. Favorman, no, it's not. It's Ellie Evanmanova. Evanmanova, or is it Ivanmanova? The first letter I ruined, so it doesn't fucking matter.

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It blows us away every week that anybody would take the time to do anything for us. No, let's give us money. So it's ridiculous. And we're just so thankful to everybody out there. Thank you guys so much. And what if one of these people who we love so, so much wanted to get a hold of a guy like you, Jimmy Wisman? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. And thank you guys again for all the mail that you guys send us as well.

It's fucking fantastic. Thank you guys for everything. We got a fucking children's book from a lady in Spain, Brandy Allen. Oh, it's so cool. It's called The Empty Space. It's gorgeous. Go and find it. Beautiful illustrations.

She illustrated it and wrote it. I'm going to read it to my daughter. I can't wait. It's a cool book, it looks like. Yeah, look for her stuff online and buy her stuff because her illustrations are really gorgeous. She's not Travis Smith, the illustrator. She's another kind of illustrator. You can find me at Jimmy P is funny or just copy and paste my last name from the show description.

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