Crime in Sports - #106 - Murder In A Flash - The Unpredictableness of Esteban de Jesus

Episode Date: February 13, 2018

This week, we have a story that goes from the lowest lows, to the highest highs, until it comes crashing down, well beneath rock bottom. A champion with the an incredible work ethic, until his habits started to include shooting up speedballs, and hanging out with drug dealers. It all culminates with a spectacular act of violence, that leads to his sad demise. Hilarious!!Start boxing before it's legal, inject your drugs to not hurt your lung capacity, and never let road rage make you do something you'll regret with Esteban de Jesus!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows...Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!!!BOSTON: Feb 18Crime In Sports:https://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/event/1589056?_ga=2.84751449.1576137293.1510029131-53581790.1510029128&__utma=1.876925325.1510029128.1510029128.1510029128.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1510029128&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1510029128.1.1.utmcsr=yahoo|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=(not%20provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=255437192Small Town Murderhttps://www.ticketfly.com/purchase/event/1589061?_ga=2.53771112.1576137293.1510029131-53581790.1510029128&__utma=1.876925325.1510029128.1510029128.1510029128.1&__utmb=1.2.10.1510029128&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1510029128.1.1.utmcsr=yahoo|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=(not%20provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=255437192Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Wow. Like I said, brain damage, drugs, violence, it's all here. It's all here. It's all here. This here is Tony Ayala plus Tommy Morrison divided by Edwin Valero. That's what we have here today for you. So judging by those three stories, if you're a crime and sports listener from the beginning, you know that this is going to be a goddamn insane batshit fest. So without further ado, let's get started. Let's talk about our gentleman of the hour, Esteban DeJesus.

Don't know that name. You don't know that name. Esteban DeJesus. And that's a brain damage sport. I'm guessing boxing. This is boxing. He is a world-class, phenomenal back-in-the-day boxer. That was very racist of me to assume that that was not a running back in the NFL.

Esteban DeJesus. Yeah, especially maybe right this minute a running back in the NFL. Esteban DeJesus? Yeah, especially maybe right this minute, but back any other time, Esteban DeJesus is possibly a kicker and nobody else. There's never been an Esteban DeJesus playing offensive tackle in the NFL. It's never happened once.

Ever. Not a lot of starting centers either in the NBA named Esteban DeJesus for that matter. A second baseman maybe? It's possible. But that's not brain damage sports necessarily. No, that's the thing. That's true. That is true. That's where I railed into boxing because... You narrowed it down.

That's my guy. Nice job. So he is a boxer and he was a great boxer. World class guy. Phenomenal until lots of things started to take him down as we'll get into including his own brain and his own decisions. And just, you know, when your brain turns to pudding, your decision-making gets worse. And you'll see what he does anyway besides that to influence and enhance his bad decision-making.

He was born way back on August 2, 1951. He's from Puerto Rico. Great. Esteban de Jesus. I know you thought he was Norwegian. Right. He's a Puerto Rico. Great. Esteban De Jesus. I know you thought he was Norwegian, but he's a Puerto Rican man. Born and raised in the town of Carolina, or Carolina, I'm sure. Carolina. In Puerto Rico.

I looked. It's a northeastern Puerto Rico, right northern shore of the island of Puerto Rico. Apparently, back then, this place is a very, very violent, tough place, this particular town. Puerto Rico is anything less than. No, and there's some beautiful parts of very violent. Oh, I'm sure. Tough place. I don't think Puerto Rico is anything less than. No. And there's some beautiful parts of Puerto Rico. There's some nice beaches and all that sort of thing. You've got to fight through gorillas to get there.

But it's known as it. It's very violent. I mean, Christ, we were talking last week in the Jake the Snake Roberts episode. Bruiser Brody, the wrestler, got stabbed in the shower in the locker room there. Inside the business. By a guy that everybody knew who did it, and they didn't do shit. It was his boss at the time. That's who stabbed him, and nothing happened.

That's how scary that place is. It's a wild place, especially if you're born in 1951. If you grew up in the 60s there, it was probably pretty open. A little less wild west. A little more lawless. A little more lawless, yeah. So this is a very violent area. Lots of crime. There's more lawless, yeah. So this is a very violent area. Lots of crime.

There's some organized crimes, gang violence. There's all sorts of stuff going on there. Also, this is where Roberto Clemente is from. Is that right? This is Roberto Clemente's hometown as well. So this town put out two world-class, top-notch athletes. Unbelievable athletes. That's one thing, which is amazing.

Yeah, Roberto Clemente, one of the best baseball players of all time. He was great. Did you say pitcher? He was not a pitcher. I am not going to let you get up. I said that on purpose. Yeah, he's not a pitcher. It's like, no. You're going to get us tweets. One of the best pitchers ever.

One of the best pitchers ever. He's great. He's phenomenal. His curveball is the best in the business. I'm telling you right now. He'd come in with his long, flowing, locks and on that mound and just blow people away with their fastball. Play that fucking music at the end of the game. You know it, man. He's a fucking great closer.

Unbelievable. Nasty slider. Nasty slider. So we know as Esteban growing up, not a lot is known about his young life. Number one, it's another country in the 50s and early 60s. So the only real way to know about it would be as if he wanted to talk about it and he doesn't want to talk about it ever. He's a very private guy.

And that's some painful ass memories, I imagine. That's the other thing. He's just an excessively private person also. So like a story like this is really, really hard to do. And you really had to pick it up from multiple different things. He never wrote an autobiography. He didn't sit down every five minutes with somebody and do a big expose piece and try to get in the good graces over and over. He just didn't do that.

He was just private and he didn't speak English really that well. So he wasn't much into giving like American language newspaper, newspaper articles. And he spoke English, but not terrifically. Yeah. And if I was in another country or if I was talking to another country's press, I would feel uncomfortable. Would you? Well, even if I spoke that language. I'd own that shit.

No, even if I spoke that language, I would feel like I don't know the nuances of the language to be in a conversation that's being taped and broadcast to people. I'd still own the shit out of it. The Yankees had Hideki Matsui, their old right fielder there for a long time. He spoke English but never did interviews because he said he just wasn't confident enough to speak conversational English. He could speak like, where's the train and shit like that. Someone asked him, hey, you know, in the third inning there when there was a hit and run on the – I think you might lose him after the – You hit the – it's the nuances of the English language that are terrifying for them.

Yeah. I don't blame them. It's the most complicated language in the world. Oh, yeah. Just because so much slang. And slang and words that mean different things in different contexts. Words that mean fucking nothing. And words that mean nothing.

And words – we have 14 different words for this and that. And it's so much slang like you said yeah and then you got to learn to swear on top of that yeah fuck oh my god somebody sidebar real quick somebody i believe in sweden yeah a swedish person sent us an email saying that their boyfriend or somebody thought something like that was learning english from oh don't do that and i was like why don't you they're gonna be telling everyone in Sweden to eat dick sweet neat dicks hey fuck you good fight you sir may fuck off like no don't teach don't learn from us what do you do Jimmy's tell me this is how it's like the Eddie Murphy Roger yeah but

fuck you Eddie I know you you they fuck you man right man, right? Fuck you, Andy. That's going to be us. We don't need Swedish people running up to us. Eat dicks. Ah, you're the Jimmy's. Eat dicks. You said it, man. Fuck off.

On the street. Jesus fucking Christ. I swear to God. That's awesome. That is creepy as shit. So yeah, that's how I feel about that. So anyway, as a teenager, he's running around in Puerto Rico, Esteban is. He visits

the home and training facility of a guy named Gregorio Benitez Sr. Okay, obviously a senior. Bad news right away. This is in the St. Jooster, Houston, I guess, with the silent J, I would imagine, down there. Region of Trujillo Alto, Puerto Rico.

Okay. I'm not going to pronounce anything right. Papa Benitez, they know him as, which creeps me out right away. He sounds like a gangster. He sounds very mafia-y. Yes, he's not a gangster at all. He's not? Gregorio?

He's a boxing trainer. No, he works as an automobile body shop as a painter and is training, trying to train his four sons to box. That's called a front, sir. No, no, he works there. He doesn't own it. I'm sure he does. He paints cars. Really? He's an automobile, he's a body shop painter. He's just a painter.

He doesn't own the shop. I don't believe any of this. He's not a businessman. He's not anything. I'm terrified of him. Well, if he was, this is how you know that he's just a painter, because he forces his four sons to fucking box against their will. Oh, shit. And we'll talk about what he does.

Trust me, if this guy was a gangster, he'd be the shittiest gangster ever if he was making the sons do this shit. Jesus, he's like Joe Jackson? This is like, yeah, this is like, yeah, Joe Jackson or many stories. Again, fucking wrestling last week, because I did research on that. We talked about the Von Eriks. Fritz Von Eriks, the father of the Von Eichs, his dad used to take him down to town and have him fight people for money. Holy shit.

My kid can kick your ass for a dollar type of thing. Like, what the fuck? So that's what type of thing it is. Like, this is old timey. My kid will beat you up for money. Like, illegal street, child street fights. This is like Tim Montgomery with his races. This is bananas.

Illegal street races. Yeah. So Papa Benita's, which creeps me out because it reminds me of Stranger Things. OK. So anybody named Papa is no good here. They call him Goyo for whatever. I think that's dad. Is that dad in Spanish? I don't fucking know. So he's a painter. It's some family thing in Spanish, I'm sure. No, Esteban's not a big guy either. Full grown, he's 5'5", a buck 30. My man. That's his fighting weight. Yeah, yeah.

Now, in 1963, back to the Benitez's a little bit here. He would bruise the shit out of your knees, though, James. Oh, he will fuck, yeah, I'm worried. He will fuck your thighs up. Charlie Horse is like crazy. Charlie Horse is like crazy. He was a badass to DeJesus. I would want to fight 130 pounds or not.

I'm not fighting this guy. One-two jump to the chin. Well, I'd fight him now, but I wouldn't fight him then. So we'll find out why I'll fight him now. He's no match for me. Trust me. So 1963, Gregorio Jr., who was nine years old and who was deemed to be kind of the – he's the best of the kids, I guess. He's the oldest is all it is.

He can hold the gloves up. Sure. He's nine. There's a four-year-old. They're like, I don't think his skills are too good. I don't think he has it. Every fight. It's not in him.

He's dropping the left every time. You're going to get in that kid. He's tired. That's all. He's dropping the left hand. It's heavy. The glove, I can't. No, son, he's just weak.

It's just weak. He's never going to amount to anything. Never mind. glove i can't no son he's he's just weak it's just weak he's never going to amount to anything never mind uh so uh he would have his this is in this is in new york city by the way the benitez's are this they run into esteban runs into him later when they move down to puerto rico but i got to give you a background on him this is before esteban meets him this is what esteban walks into okay when he gets down there this is in new york city uh he would uh his son was nine but he was had a lot of experience in backyard boxing okay uh where neighbors would pay 25 cents

to watch kid fights really they'd pay a he would have like essentially i think that's child abuse child cock fights yeah no he would have child oh no that's not legal it's not legal to put two nine-year-olds in a backyard gamble and people to fucking see it, and then they're gambling on it. That's amazing. That is not legal, and that's not good parenting. That is not crime and sports approved parenting right there. That causes bad shit later on. Also, his youngest son, Wilfred, who we'll talk about later, who's a badass, was five, sometimes would box up to two, would sometimes box two matches a day.

Wow. At five. Holy shit. So five years old. His dad gave him two bucks for that. What? Two bucks? Two bucks.

You earned a buck a match? Yeah, that's the thing. Jesus. His dad would, just, they were boxing, whether they wanted to or not. That was their game. We don't know whether they wanted to or not, but if they didn't want to, they were doing it. Yeah, he would verbally abuse them. He'd punch them.

He'd fucking, you know, don't be a—I mean, people do that anyway with their kids, especially in the 60s. To mow the lawn, they would do that to their kids. Oh, shit, yeah. They're going out there. Go out and fight that other kid. It's 2018. I consider it. Yeah.

I consider the shit out of it all the time. The Gregorio Jr. here here he's 11 years old and he's doing you know he's doing road work at 4 a.m like they're waking him up before to drink raw eggs and go out like rocky and shit it's insanity man uh so anyway they move in 1966 down back down to puerto rico uh down to uh now this is this is how shitty new york was getting in the 60s. They moved to Puerto Rico to, quote, avoid crime. That's how bad it was. We're going to Puerto Rico because it's so bad here. They're leaving the best city in the world to go to Puerto Rico.

Shit was bad in certain neighborhoods there. Yeah, but still, he would still do the illegal boxing with his sons and all that sort of thing. His son Gregorio became a professional boxer at 15 in 1967, but he'd been fighting for years. It didn't matter for him. So anyway, DeJesus sees, hey, maybe I could be a boxer. I mean, there's not much going on around there otherwise, and I think he's a small guy too, so you're not going to be a whatever.

Even you're not going to be Roberto Clemente. You're a tinier guy. You're either going to be a whatever. Even you're not going to be Roberto Clemente. You're a tinier guy. You're either going to be a second baseman who, you know, hits one home run every four years but has a great glove. Or you're going to learn to throw hands. So he decides to learn to throw hands and he wants to make something of himself. So he goes to Papa Benitez here. And for Papa Benitez, it's a good thing because here's somebody who's volunteering to do this. He doesn't have to force them. This time he's not breaking a who's volunteering to do this. He doesn't have to force them.

This time he's not breaking a leg for him to do it. He doesn't have to force them since birth. You know what I mean? So, you know, that sort of thing here. Now, DeJesus, too, what we do know about him is that he has a lot of brothers and sisters. We don't know exactly how many, but there's a shitload of people in the family, and none of them became anything great. So he is also thinking about, hey, I need to like, you know, buy food for my family and shit like that.

I need to provide for my family. So that's the other thing here. His father is a carpenter. His father is a very hard worker. He works long hours. He's a carpenter. And Esteban would help him out. He would assist him at carpenter jobs, you know, that sort of thing.

So, you know, they were trying to raise the kids right. They were trying to raise Esteban to be responsible, to be a good adult, to have work ethic. When his parents meet Benitez, they think this is good for him.

It's discipline. He's not going to fuck around. The guy, Benitez, would tell them whether it's your son or anybody else, they're not going to be – they're going to be too tired to get into trouble when I'm done with them. They're just going to spar and they're going to do that. They're going to be way too tired. They're not going to run around the streets. None of my kids are criminals, blah, blah, blah. So they were like, great.

Let's do that here. And they would see. Esteban would come home exhausted, go right to sleep. They're like, oh like this is great for him you know he's not running around he hasn't been arrested this is phenomenal here he was Benitez would preach against crime and against drugs and against the

whole deal and you know trying to get them to you know to be fucking live the right path they were also really into their church and all that shit that Benitez is they were so you know they're forcing their kids to fight for money in the streets but as they're doing it they're learning psalms yeah and uh that sort of thing so excellent here yeah they would uh yeah they would all that was like it was almost like a mission like you'd

box and they'd also preach biblical shit at you at the same time here uh so that's that's interesting here and the parents would destaban's parents encouraged him to listen they said listen to that guy yeah listen to him just it doesn't matter i don't care what he says if you don't like it listen to him he knows what he's doing and you know we don't want you to be a jerk off basically uh this benitez also would do another crazy thing that we've seen other crazy trainers do sure would just pair people up regardless of size for sparring. So they'd have no weight classes. You're going to spar him.

The 14-year-old is going to spar the 9-year-old, and we'll see what happens, which is fucking nuts here. That's dangerous. And same thing. They thought it toughened them. Yeah. Of course it does. Well, it's going to toughen them mentally.

If you're 9 and you have to fight someone twice your size, it'll make you much tougher. Yes, it will. It'll also give you brain damage, we'll find out from his kids, who pretty much all have fucking horrible brain damage gee i wonder why uh yeah so that was it uh esteban uh he just went along with the whole program uh he was very esteban's a quiet guy he's not a real he's not a flashy guy he's not a guy that goes out and and uh talks a lot of shit right doesn't say anything. He's quiet. He's shy. He seems like the perfect type of guy that would be good for this.

You know what I mean? He's getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning, and he's doing all that kind of thing. They're having him do a constant – he's constantly learning different moves and different techniques and different punches. And a punch like this guy, learn this guy's kind of jab and learn a, you know, an overhand right like this. Right. And that sort of thing here. They kept telling him everything set up by the jab over and over again. And that's kind of been Jesus's thing later on.

Benitez forbade dating girls or having girlfriends of any kind. You will not date. Oh, boy. Nothing, including his sons. No one's allowed to have girls. It's like some kind of Muslim compound now. No will not date. Oh, boy. Nothing, including his sons. No one's allowed to have girls. It's like some kind of Muslim compound now. No women. That's not good.

Yeah. So Esteban wanted girls, but he couldn't have girls until later. He's not allowed. That was until you're done with this. You're not allowed to have girls. And the way he learned, too, Esteban and all these guys, is this was kind of a traditional household. And it's the 50s in Puerto Rico. I mean, it's 60s in Puerto Rico. The wife

cooked and cleaned and shut the fuck up and he yelled at her all the time and they all cowered from him and all that kind of shit. So it was kind of a weird old school thing here. So much so that every once in a while the police would have to come over and sort some shit out. Mainly

though, they would sort shit out because they were investigating the way he was training boys and his son and whether they were having illegal street fights for money and things like that. Benitez basically said, nobody's business but mine. They're my kids. Of course. If I want to have them bash their heads in. That's the way psychos say things.

Yeah, they're my kids. It's my business. It's my business. It's my business. Everybody minds your own business. So, yeah. Your business or not, it's still illegal, sir. Yeah, and he said no one's trapped here. My sons are there, I'll have to leave.

But he said anybody else, he said, quote, enjoy poverty, there's the goddamn door. That's literally what he said to the police. That was his quote. I tell everyone, you don't want to be here? Enjoy poverty. Enjoy poverty. There's the goddamn door. And a lot of times, quote. I tell everyone, you don't want to be here? Enjoy poverty. There's the goddamn door. And a lot of times, that's what it was. You don't want to be here?

Go out there and do nothing. That's basically what every parent says whenever they're like, I'm going to run away. Well, enjoy not eating. But here, it's like, here they might have opportunities. In Puerto Rico in the 60s, I think it was like, enjoy. Yeah, that's literally, it's this or poverty. Or both, really. That's possible,'s possible too but poverty is a joke here like the word poverty you don't even take that seriously yeah there it's like enjoy poverty and you're like yeah you got a point you got a good point never mind i'll go hit the speed back again never mind it's okay

so uh his his sons too they uh they would get smacked around a lot. That's how he talked to them. You're dropping your hand, smack. Unbelievable. So that's how he treated. He didn't treat Esteban like that. No? Which you really can't treat people who aren't your kids like that. They might leave at that point.

They might leave because they have somewhere else to go. Yeah, and his parents were pretty nice to him, too. So he's like, well, I'm not going to take shit from this guy. But as far as the boxing stuff, his parents told him, hey, if he tells you to go hit the bag for an hour you go hit the bag for an hour yeah we don't want you to be a bum uh wilfred benitez is a he was the really good one of the family he's kind of later on he becomes the prize of the family here he's the youngest world champion in the history of boxing right now uh no no at the time at the time uh he had his first of three career world titles uh in separate weight divisions first of all which is also wow not done often three different

weight three different weight division titles which isn't done very often also uh and he started he won his first title at 17 my christ so i mean everybody thinks mike tyson was young seven fucking team i said so in 19 yes 17 though is jesus as a world title at 17 yeah world title at 17 he was really good 53 81 17 james not that unimpressive fuck i had nothing going for me at 17 what 17 years old he's the strongest he's the best fighter in that in his weight class at 17 i had the word i had a car that was worth $150 and I delivered pizza from that car. If it started.

I thought it was fantastic. I have a job where I can deliver pizza and smoke some weed and go back to work. Who else can do that? It's the top of the world. We worked in pizza places when we were both 17. That's so weird. Of course.

I was on the floor of a pizza joint with a gun against my head. Yeah, you did that. Proving that I was not the best at anything in the world in my weight class. I was just driving around. I had no weight class. I had the Oldsmobile weight class. I was the best at being robbed at gunpoint in my weight class at 17. That's pretty impressive.

That's good for you. I know the heavyweights. It's apples and oranges. You couldn't have cracked that territory. You couldn't have cracked that territory. Very difficult. I did nothing is what I'm saying at 17. Also, somebody actually, speaking of boxing and Mike Tyson, somebody tweeted at us.

That was the silliest shit ever. The dumbest question ever. Well, they weren't dumb. No, her husband is an idiot. Yeah, sorry. You're an idiot, dude. You married a dummy. The question was if. In their prime. Her husband is an idiot. You married a dummy.

The question was if... In their prime, it's a ridiculous proposal. At any point in time, if Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather stepped into a ring, who would win? Mike Tyson would kill him today. At their closest weights, Mike Tyson had at least 60 pounds on him.

Number one. So any two professional fighters, if one has 60 pounds on the other, the other one's going to die. It's over. And if the one who has 60 pounds on the smaller one is also one of the best fighters in the history of the world and super aggressive and the hardest puncher ever. The hardest

left hook ever. Right hand uppercut over head. You name the punch. The left hook is destructive though. It will destroy him. I've seen him knock guys off balance. Heavyweights, 225 pounds with a punch to their arm. Right. Just the force of it knocked their whole 225 pounds off balance.

If he hit a guy who's 135 pounds with that, he would knock him out of the ring. If he hit him in the head. It would explode his head. They would need to put him back together again. He would be like Humpty Dumpty. Medical they would need to put him back together again. He would be like Humpty Dumpty. Medical personnel would have to put him back together. Humpty Dumpty, Floyd Mayweather. So that's a silly question.

And I don't care. Mayweather in his prime and Mike Tyson, if you roused him at 3 in the morning tonight, that would be the still. He would kill him. It doesn't matter. If Floyd Mayweather woke Mike Tyson up with punches to the face today, Mike Tyson would murder him and then go eat his children. Exactly. In his bedroom. Right there.

So we'll get that out of the way here. He would dine on his family. Absolutely. So out of everybody Benitez had. So stupid question. Your husband's a dummy, but you're very nice. Great question. Great question.

You answered correctly. You had the right answer. Your husband's a dummy, but you're very nice. Great question. Great question. You answered correctly. You had the right answer. Your husband's an idiot. Silly. There's an old saying. And this is true. This is actually not a joke. But if you're ever wondering who would win in a fight, they always say, if two fighters are evenly matched, always take the bigger one.

Period. So even if they were evenly matched, which they're not, because Tyson was way way better and even Floyd with his hands and all that he could dance around well he wouldn't matter just hit him in the arms you just murder him done anyway so out of everyone in the top of the head he hit him anywhere he wants break his spine yeah that's what I mean that's why everybody with the MMA argument well the MMA fight if hooked him, it doesn't matter. If you hook him, you have to be near him, which is in range of his fists, which means he's going to kill you. Yes. If he has access to your ribs or your head, he will break them. And then you have to let him go.

So it doesn't matter how much you have him hooked. Because you have to tend to your wounds. You're dealing with superhuman punching power. It's not the same. It's just not. With an average person, yes, you can hook them. With a man who could kill you with a fist? He broke Gulotta's neck with a punch.

That's a 250-pound, thick, professional Polish fighter. Broke a neck. Broke his neck with a punch. Do you understand what we're dealing with here? It's not normal. Okay. That's enough, Tyson. So it's appropriate today. It's enough Tyson so uh it's it's appropriate today it's a boxing episode he's an amazing fighter he's given plenty of brain damage there's brain

damage in the episode so out of everyone that Benitez had in his little roster his sons everybody uh Esteban was the one who was emerging as the guy to fuck with basically he was the tough one uh he said that uh Papa there even referred to him as a good kid, a strong kid, a tough kid. He said his work ethic was amazing. He was the best. He would train harder than anyone around him. He didn't care. All he did that was bad, Jesus, or Esteban at this point, was he liked to smoke a little weed.

Yeah. But he's on the island. He's hanging out. He's a kid. It's the 60s. It's Puerto Rico. It's the 60s in Puerto Rico. He's smoking a little weed on the island. He's hanging out. He's a kid. It's the 60s. It's Puerto Rico. It's the 60s in Puerto Rico. He's smoking a little weed on the beach.

Who cares? But he's not rebellious otherwise. He's not a kid that goes out. He doesn't go out and drink and stay out for days at a time and get arrested and act like an asshole here. But they did encourage him to fight, you know, way early and young and professionally. And bigger people. He didn't believe in this amateur bullshit. Amateurs out in the backyard in the alley.

That's amateur. I've been doing that for years. Amateur, yeah. That's why I'm not paying you much because you're an amateur. Don't worry about it, kid. But he finally comes and fights his first professional fight in February 2nd, 1969. So 17 years old when he starts fighting. Right off the bat, young. So young 17,

Esteban's got his first fight. It's in San Juan and it's a guy against a guy named El Tarita. And there's no real name known for this guy. It's just a nickname. And it doesn't matter because this is his only fight. That's the name of a taco shop. That's yes. El Tarita. That's what he did. He stopped boxing after After this, after Esteban knocked him out in the second round, he said, I am going to take this fantastic nickname I have and open up a wonderful taco stand on the beach. Everywhere.

And never mind this. And it's going to be a shame. It's an every city. Let's do it. So El Toritos, get your tacos today. El Toritos, the best tacos in all of Puerto Rico. They're all retarded. They're all retarded. This guy gets knocked out. Esteban's 1-0, July 21st, 1969. And we're going to do this first year when they're so fast.

That guy only had one fight? That was it. He fought two career rounds, or a round and a half. Got knocked out and quit. You didn't even earn that nickname. What the fuck are you doing? He came out, I got a fucking nickname. Never mind.

Don't tell anyone my real name. I just go under. That's why he had a nickname. He knew he was going to lose in an embarrassing fashion. He didn't want to disgrace his family. His father told him, you can box, but do not use my name. Never use my name. You are El Tarita.

Forever. Okay. And he goes out there. July 21st, 1969. So he waits a few months, actually, which is weird for the opening of a career. He won't do that much, though. No. He's got to stack that brain damage quickly, Jimmy.

These guys, it's like you can't let your brain get used to this. You've got to get in there and mush it up good. Really get it some pudding. Puree on that one. So we can have fun later on. You know what I mean? Get it some pudding. And puree on that blender. So we can have fun later on.

You know what I mean? So July 21, 69, in San Juan, he fights Braulio Rodriguez, who's a 6-10 career Dominican fighter. He comes into the fight 1-0, though. Wow. He comes in promising. It's 1-0 versus 1-0. Esteban. Somebody's leaving with a loss.

Someone's leaving without a perfect record here. Esteban wins by knockout in round four. Wow. So he's 2-0. And some of these fights, too. I mean, we're talking guys that are 130 pounds. So you're not going to see the type of knockouts that we talk about with heavyweights where it's like, oh, he went the distance. Like, that's good

to go the distance with somebody. You have to be a real puncher to knock people out at 130 pounds. It's really hard to do. It is. When you're small and don't have much power behind it, you're not going to do it. And 130 is kind of the cutoff to where guys start knocking each other out like below that it's they're just a pillow fight full fucking blast wailing on each other and nothing happens no they don't even have black eyes not even swollen no they're barely sweating it's ridiculous uh so

yeah esteban's two and oh august 2nd, 69. So now they're coming. This is less than two weeks later. Esteban in San Juan. Again, he fights Francisco Maldonado, who sounds like a relief pitcher to me, or a guy who makes a tomato sauce. Try Francisco Maldonado's classic four cheese. Doesn't it sound like? Classic four cheese.

It's an Alfredo, a classic four cheese Alfredo. Francisco Maldonado sounds like a candy maker. Yes, well, there's Francisco Rinaldi. I think that's where I'm getting it from. Oh, is that it? All right, yeah. I think that's where I'm going. Well, you're saying candy because Candy Maldonado is a baseball player.

Jesus Christ, Jimmy. Is that what just happened? Yes, that's what just happened. Candy Maldonado. It sounded delicious. Was a player for the Giants and many other teams for years. He was an outfielder. I know. And you just heard the word M and many other teams for years. He was an outfielder. I know.

And you just heard the word Maldonado. I was like, candy maker. That sounds delicious. And said, I'd like him to make me candy. And Flipper is not a dolphin. Flipper Anderson is not on the Dolphins. He sounds like he makes confectionery treats. He kind of does.

And Alfredo sauce in a jar. So Francisco Maldonado's fine Alfredo. You see him rugged as fuck. You do. And I see him so nice. No, no. I just see him as a chef. He's a chef.

He's a rugged-ass chef. Yeah, maybe. More of like a European chef. Like a five o'clock shadow. I see him so clean-shapen. See, I picture him perfectly clean with the tie, the chef, the know, the chef, like, the whole little ascot and everything. Very clean, presenting his Francisco Maldonado's. He started with the four cheese, then he got into tomato.

But, you know, he started with the four cheese. Francisco leaves the candy factory. All right. And he is 0-1 coming into this fight. And it doesn't get much better from here as he ends up 0-4 for his career, losing in round three of six here, getting knocked out, bringing Esteban to 3-0. Taylor Swift is soaring high, her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans. She's broken billboard records and made Grammys history, not to mention becoming

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to the show. August 23rd, 69. That's another couple weeks. Yeah. So this is. Right now. This is three fights in 30 days, basically. Three fights in 32 days.

For real ones. For fight fights. Yeah. And they go. One goes four rounds. That goes three rounds. And then this fight, August 23rd, versus Johnny Sandoval, another Puerto Rican. Yeah.

He's a 3-6-1 career fighter. This is a unanimous decision in six rounds. Goes the fucking distance. So that's a lot of rounds. That's six and four. That's 13 rounds, but of three different fights. Your brain gets all beat up, calms down, gets beat up again, calms down. That's not good for you.

No. And he's taking blows. These aren't first-round fights like when we covered Valero. And he literally had 20 fights that were in the first round. So he could fight twice a month because he's never getting hit. But the opportunity for it to go the distance is there still. It's always there. It's still set up for that many rounds.

It really is. So he's 4-0 here after the unanimous decision. By the way, at this point, right in the beginning of his career, he moves from weed to cocaine, and he'll move further in that. Right now, he's just going to be snorting cocaine, though. But stay tuned. Yeah. Stay tuned. Because it gets worse.

It gets way worse than that. So right now, he's smoking a little weed. He's snorting a little coke. He's boxing. Mainly does drugs. I mean, he has a bunch of friends and hangers-on now. As he starts to get famous, he'll get more hangers-on and that sort of thing. But his older brother Enrique

and him are drug partners. They are drug buddies. They start smoking weed together. They move to coke together. They go through all the phases together. Family, it's important. So September 27th, 1969 in San Juan, he fights Ramon Montez of Puerto Rico.

He's 2-0 coming in. Wow. So looking good for Montez. He ends up 4-10 in his career, though. Okay. That's not good. No. That's worse.

He started out 2-0 and then goes 2-10. And then goes, yeah, 2-10 after that. Starting with this debacle, losing by knockout in round 3 of 6, bringing Esteban to 5-0. Wow. So from 2-1, then he goes 1-10. Then he goes 2-9. I don't know, he goes 2-9. Well, after this fight, he'll go 2-9.

2-9. 2-9. My math is bad. You're right. God damn it. Not even close, Jimmy. Oh, boy. And Flipper's still not a Dalton.

And Candy Maldonado doesn't make candy. I'm just trying to picture this guy losing yeah and the the mental spiral after this starting at two and oh he ruined him oh he's ruined yeah and that's what happens a lot of times you see with these guys they come in they get ruined then you have this they're just ruined they have this confidence they come in hey i'm doing fine and then a guy completely outclasses them beats beats their ass, and then they're gun shy from there. And then they're just like, now what do I do? People, once they get beat up, they either go, well, that's as bad as that can be.

Fuck it, I'm not afraid of that. Or now they're gun shy to get beat up. It depends on the type of person. And that's their game plan. They know how to fight one way, and they're fighting that way, and they're winning. And then they lose, and they're like, well, that fucking style sure as shit doesn't work. Absolutely. That's the other thing, too.

One more Tyson thing. Some guy tweeted on Tyson. Yeah, but after the third round, he wasn't the same fighter. He turned into a normal fighter and blah, blah, blah. Actually, that was his strategy, to come out and try to knock you out immediately. Right now. Because why not knock you out in the first round? And if you're a skilled enough fighter to withstand that barrage.

Then I need a new strategy. Then they have a totally different strategy that they have ready to put into play to sucker you into dropping your hand for a half a split second so he can hit you once and knock you in the next week. That's the strategy then. Then it's just wait for you to fuck up.

He knocked plenty of guys out late and asked Broken Jaw Donovan Razor Ruddock about fighting Tyson past the second round. Ask guys like that. You got knocked the fuck out later on in the fight. It happens. You should have seen Larry Holmes after 12. I don't think that was just from one round.

He beat Larry Holmes' ass for 12 of them. I don't think he wanted to go again. So, yeah. October 19th, 69. So these are three weeks later. This is in San Juan. He fights Kid Matt Sheffield from Miami, as you can tell. He has a stupid nickname.

He's 8, 12, and 1 career. This is a TKO in round two. So 6-0 for Esteban, November 22nd. The Kid is such a lazy nickname. Kid. Yeah. Kid or Sugar in boxing. Come on.

Get it together. There's already a few of those. There's so many sugars. Stop it. Enough kids and enough sugars. November 22nd, 69, like a month later in San Juan, he fights Eva Law Eastman, who's from Guyana. So good thing he got out and missed the whole Jim Jones debacle. Good for you, Guy.

He is an 18, 47, and 3 career fighter. Jesus. That is, wow. You must really want out of Guyana, because they're like, I'll go just lose a lot. I'll lose almost every time. I don't care. 50 times he didn't win.

Literally, 47 wins. And three draws. 47 losses, three draws. 50 times he was like, well, that didn't fucking work. 50 times. He fought 50 times losing or not winning for 18 victories.

18 wins. For those 18 days of glory. No, that's it, man. This is knockout in round five of eight. He's up to seven in O.S. to bond. Still hasn't fought a linker, by the way. And that is, for people who don't know, that is boxers who have actually a link on their Wikipedia because every boxer has a full list of who they fought.

And some of them you can click on and some of them you can't. And these are non-linkers that I have to then go do much more research on and find them in other places. And I do. So January 24, 1970, keeps it moving. And San Juan, Martin Cuello from Venezuela, he's an 0-2 career fighter, and this is his second fight. So that tells you right there. He ends his career, Esteban does, with a knockout in round two. He's 8-0 now.

February 14th, three weeks later on Valentine's Day, very romantic. He fights a Dominican guy named Chino Guerrero. So that's romance right there. He's a 1-2 career fighter, but he comes in one and oh. Oh. Feeling good. Yeah. And then he gets TKO'd in the third round of this fight.

Doesn't feel so good anymore. Loses one more and says, I am going to go open a taco stand with El Torito. For sure. Fuck this. This is wrong. I make an amazing salsa. Yes, and we get that tacos aren't a Puerto Rican thing. We understand that.

But El Torito sure the fuck is. That sounds like a taco stand in Phoenix that's open 24 hours a day. I'll tell you what. While you're talking, I will Google El Torito taco stand. I guarantee there is one. There probably is one. Unless it means like, you know, the death stomach or something. Unless it means explosive diarrhea in Spanish.

Intestinal parasite in Spanish. I don't think that maybe it wouldn't be. El Torito grill right up before go before i even take tacos perfect and they make like a spanish grill it's yeah you're goddamn right it's text max fuck yeah everything on a tortilla we win thank you exactly we knew don't tell but candy maldonado still has not been making any confection so i'm gonna send him all the Willy Wonka recipes. You should. He's going to get into it.

He's going to be like, what the fuck, man? So I don't know if he's on Twitter. We can check and see if Candy Maldonado. Someone tag Candy Maldonado with something. No one's spoken to him in years, I'm sure. He's very lonely. He's going to be thrilled to know that I thought somebody else. Yeah, I'm sure he's gotten that before.

His last name made me think of him. That's all it is. Perfect. Good for him. That's all it took. So he's 9-0. And I didn't even know I was thinking of him. No.

February 28, 1970, two weeks later to the day, he fights in San Juan, fights Braulio Rodriguez again. Again. Braulio has won four straight fights since the last fight. He's 5-1 coming in. Is Braulio his real name? Yeah, it's B-R-A-U-L-I-O. Yeah, I imagined.

Braulio or Braulio. It's still fucking perfect. It's not Braulio. It's still perfect. Yeah, it's fucking Braulio. That's a cool name. That's awesome. That's like a Mario villain in Super Mario.

Hey, it's a Braulio. Hey, we got him now. And you have to jump on his head three times before he shoots Koopa Troopers at you. But he's a fighter. But he's a fighter. He wears boxing gloves in that game. Yeah, he does. Absolutely. And shoots Koopa Troopers at you. But he's a fighter. He wears boxing gloves in that game. Yeah, he does, absolutely, and shoots Koopa Troopers at you. So he's 5-1 coming in. He's going to

avenge his loss, his only loss here, but he gets TKO'd in round 8 of 10. Of course he does. But that's a long fight here and he just fought two weeks ago for Esteban. So Esteban's 10-0, which is terrific, but he's stacking these fights. March 28, 70, a month later in San Juan, he fights Bobby Parnell, who's from Akron, Ohio, and a 7-26-1 fighter.

Of course he is. Yikes. He's from Akron. Has anything positive ever come out of Akron? I don't know. I doubt it. LeBron James, isn't he from Akron? Was he from Akron?

I think he's from Akron. Maybe. I don't know. Have you seen his hairlron James, isn't he from Akron? Was he from Akron? I think he's from Akron. Maybe. I don't know. Have you seen his hairline? That's not positive. That's not positive. He's a great comedic actor, too. He's pretty fucking funny.

He's so funny. He's the best part of train wrecking. By far. No comment. No comment on train wreck. He's from Akron. He's a 7'26 and 1 fighter and gets knocked out in the first round here. You're a 130-pounder getting knocked out in the first round.

That's not great for your prospects. Or ego. No. April 6, 1970. That is eight days later. Holy shit. He fights again, Esteban does. He fights Ike Estrada.

He's a Puerto Rican guy. This is his boxing debut. Wow. So going to go really well. He is knocked out in the fifth round, Ike is, and he never fights again. That's it. So, yeah, Esteban has beat the will to fight out of several people now, the will to continue. Yeah.

He's 12-0 in his mission here. April 30th, 1970, in Ponce or Ponce or whatever, Puerto Rico, he fights Jose Jimenez. There's been eight relief pitchers named Jose Jimenez so far. He's a 5'8 and 3 career fighter, and he loses his last seven fights. Wow. So he was 5'1 and 3 and then lost seven fights out, and this is one of them. Unanimous decision in 10 rounds, though.

This goes 10 on April 30th, 1970. Esteban wins May 12th. I wish you would have found the seventh fight to know how long it went. Oh, yeah, yeah. To see what talked him out of boxing. You know what I mean? No, I actually looked at that. That seventh loss.

I couldn't find. You couldn't find his individual fight rounds. It was difficult. It's 1970, a guy who barely fought. Non-linker? Total non-linker, absolutely. You're not going to find that fight. But I'd like to find him and have him tell me the story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know from you. What was that moment when you were like, fuck it? Fuck it, I quit. Tell me the fuck it moment. So this is a unanimous decision. Ten rounds. It's a ten-round fight.

That's a lot of punch in 130-pound guys. A lot of blows to the head. That's a lot of punch in 130-pound guys. A lot of blows to the head. That's April 30th. May 12th, he fights again after fighting a fucking ten-round fight, which is batshit. Wow. This, he fights in San Juan against—he fights versus Coverly Kid Daniels, who is from St. Kitts. This guy won his first fight, and then his finished career record is 1-6-1.

Wow. So won the first fight, feeling good, lost six in a row and drew one. This is one of his losses. He gets knocked out in the sixth round. This is 14-0 for Esteban. July 9th, 1970 in San Juan, he fights Tommy Schaefer,

a 17-30-5 boxer. And this guy sounds like he lives in a van, doesn't he? He sounds like he lives in a van, doesn't he? He sounds like he lives in a van, and he's like, no, you know, I just buy a lot of cans of tuna fish, and you can just open them, and I just eat them right out of the can. It's straight protein. It's good for protein. It helps me work out, you know.

And if I go for a swim down at the river, and that's fine. I go in the creek. You swim back and forth. I think I'm pretty clean after that. Sometimes I catch a tuna. You never know. Sometimes you catch a fish. While I'm swimming around.

It's not too bad. I shake the barnacles and the seaweed off of me, and I get right back in the ring. You never know at the same time. You never know. What are you going to do? Spend too much time together doing this. That's why. Jesus Christ.

This is a— That's an actual diet for people that work out and for fighters and stuff. Just the tuna diet? Absolutely. It's a banana's diet. Yeah, it's just straight mercury. It's awful. It's terrible for you.

Straight mercury. Straight mercury. Guys back in the day, like boxers who were coming up in poor or even like wrestlers back then, that's what they used to do. They used to have a bag full of tuna. That's what they did because it was cheap. It's cheap as fuck. Cheap, portable, doesn't go bad.

Perfect. You can have it anywhere. They have a can opener and a bunch of cans of tuna. The's what they did because it was cheap. It's cheap as fuck. Cheap, portable, doesn't go bad. Perfect. You can have it anywhere. They have a can opener and a bunch of cans of tuna. The original creatine. Oh, man. Right there. 15-0 because Tommy Schaefer's knocked out in the eighth round. September 30th, 1970. It takes a little time off.

Fights in San Juan. Fights Johnny Sandoval again. This time a unanimous decision in ten rounds. So 16-0. He is killing it. He's killing it. Oh, he's doing great. October 19th, 1970 and he's stacking again. This time a unanimous decision in 10 rounds, so 16-0. He is killing it. He's killing it. Oh, he's doing great. October 19th, 1970, and he's stacking them. It's been not even two years. He's got 16 fights already. How come I've never heard of this

fuck? I don't know. And he's got a crazy story, too. Might have been the time, as we'll find out, the time he retired. Right before your time. And so, also too, he's kind of overshadowed in these weight classes by other guys that come along, and we'll talk about that. Because right also, too, he's kind of overshadowed in these weight classes by other guys that come along. And we'll talk about that.

Because right now, as we're speaking, Roberto Duran is making his name in the same weight class. And he's a huge, famous star. We'll talk about him. And they have a very interesting relationship and very interesting feud and rivalry also. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. They have a trilogy of fights.

Yet I don't know Esteban. Trilogy of fights. This is crazy. Wars, too. Wars. Great fights. October 1970, he fights Jose Llano of Puerto Rican, who's a 5-0-1 fighter. He won five in a row, and then he finishes 5-2-1 in his career.

I don't think so. It was at three, though. Not for me. Three non-wins, and you're done. This is a knockout in the seventh round for Esteban, bringing him to 17 and 0. It takes a few months off here from October to April. That's the brain heal a bit here after that crazy run he just had. He

fights in San Juan. He fights Johnny Harp, who's a U.S. guy. He's from the States. 8-6-2 career. He quit with an over 500 record. Not bad. That's impressive. Impressive. Well, he loses a 10th round unanimous decision here to Esteban. Okay. Now we're going to get into listen to how many rounds he's fighting.

Oh, boy. Think about add these up. Yeah. Like a cash register. Yeah. Add up every blow. Throw on that green visor and start with that tape. Pop it out of that machine.

They're all debits against your account. You know what I mean? It's not great. So this is Johnny Harp unanimous decision in 10 rounds. tape, pop it out of that machine. They're all debits against your account. You know what I mean? It's not great. Yeah. So this is Johnny Harp, unanimous decision in 10 rounds. Then less than a month later, May 5th, 1971, and he fights Gustavo Brasino, who's a Venezuelan, who's a 2012 and 4 career guy. This is unanimous decision in 10 again. Jesus.

So that's 20 rounds in less than a month. Yeah. He's fought here, 19-0 for Esteban. June 5th, 71, a month later in Caracas. God damn it. He fights Armando Mendoza of Venezuela, who was 12-1 coming in. Wow. He was a good fighter. Yeah, he was looking like something.

He finished at 17-6 in his career. Didn't quite go the same way. They started giving him actual fights. Yes, and this starts with this one. He loses by TKO in round seven, bringing Esteban to 20-0 in two years. Yeah, and 27 fucking rounds in two months. Oh, amazing, right? And then July 24th, 1971, here, so that's the next month.

He fights Yosu Marquez, 32-10-2 career. That's not bad. So very good fighter. This is for the puerto rican lightweight title wow right here's a 12 round fight now and this goes the distance all 12 unanimous decision for us of esteban in 12 rounds uh wins the title he's 21 and oh uh yeah when you get these good fighters that are matched they go the distance because they're tough uh august 7th 71 so this is three weeks later, two weeks later, not even three.

In San Juan, he fights Victor Ortiz, who's a 26-7-0 career fighter. Not bad. He KOs Ortiz in round four of 12, bringing him to 22-0. Has a daughter, Lillian, around this time. Him and his wife, Nellie. He's got a wife, Nellie. But he's doing well, so this is acceptable. This is good.

He's doing well. He got married in the beginning. I mean, he's fought 43 rounds of boxing in four months. Very quickly. But yeah, no, he's doing well. So he has a kid, and he's starting to get a little name for himself and that sort of thing. He's going to start making a little money in a minute here. September 4th, 71, a month later, he fights Marquez again, and it's another unanimous decision in 12.

God damn it. It's another long fight. He's 23-0. The next month, October 6th, a month later, he fights in Caracas, Venezuela. He fights Leonel Hernandez. Lionel? No, it's Leonel. It's a different name.

It's not Lionel. I know Lionel. This isn't Lionel. I just saw you like. No, no. I assume because we've been doing so much of a different language that that name just fucked you over. This is some Venezuelan Lionel knockoff right here.

This is like, you know, not the brand name Lionel right here. The toys. This is the Leonel train set right here. Yeah, this is. They sell these right from venezuela they sell them on like fucking fordham road in the bronx like 20 years ago uh so he's a 50 10 and one career fighter canal street lion yeah it's one of those it's yeah one of those jobbers there where you get the fit where in the 90s you get the fake guest sweatshirts

yeah uh so but the g's backward. That's what happens. So, no, these were good knockoffs back in the day. Really? Well, fuck everybody shopped there. Like, I'm not paying that much. Everybody I know went down to the Bronx. You went down to East 233rd and Fordham Road, and they had all the fucking... Blankets with shit laid out on it.

Oh, it was shopped, store-flipped people set up selling shit. It was a whole, like, they were selling legit shit legit shit too and then they'd sell knockoff fucking gear. And the fucking cops in the 90s, it's 1993 Bronx. They didn't have time to worry about somebody selling a knockoff Tommy Hilfiger shirt. Like we had a murder rate to deal with at that point. This wasn't like shiny fucking Disney New York.

This was like real New York still. So different things. You could buy whatever you want. This is grimy New York. And then you can get a quarter pound of weed from the Jamaicans right next door. So you can get a sweatshirt for cheap and a QP of weed from a Jamaican who threatened your life probably and had a gun on him. But still, he sold it to you for pretty cheap. And you could get back up and get stuff and get out of there.

So anyway, old Lionel Train Hernandez here loses in the 10th round unanimous decision. So October 20th, 71. Oh, my God. Right around the corner. Two weeks later, he fights in Caracas against, he's like, I'm here. Fuck it. I'll fight again. He fights Frank Leroy, who is a two and eight career fighter.

Jesus. He knocks Leroy out, but in the 10th round. Jesus. So, I mean, that's, he's fighting a lot. From May to October, that is 75 rounds. So many fucking rounds. That is so many fucking rounds. That is so much. October 30th, 10 days later, he fights again in Caracas.

He's like, I am here. All comers. I will beat anyone in Venezuela's ass. I don't give a fuck. Line him up. Line him up. Happy Gilmore at the golf course. That's what it is.

He absolutely did. Who wants to fucking drive against the golf ball whacker guy yeah who wants to fight ah too bad boxing this is bananas crazy two weeks later he fights a real a legit fighter more fighters and and this imagine if valero was in venezuela at this point yeah but he was a kid he wouldn't imagine those two crossing paths as we'll find out later they would have had a party together these these two. So October 30th, he fights Milton Mendez, a Colombian, 8, 16, and 4 for his career. No, October 30th, 10 days later. Oh, my God, right around the corner.

He had three fights in October. Shit. Three fights in 30 days in one calendar month. Knockout in round five of old Milton Mendez, bringing him to 26-0. December 10th, 1971, in Caracas, he fights his first linker. Hey! 20 fucking seven fights before I got to a guy that I didn't have to do extensive fucking investigative research on. Jesus Christ, fuck you Esteban De Jesus.

I love the boxing episodes because I love boxing, and I like talking about boxing, and I find that their crimes are always crazy and fun, and they're always a good time. But God damn it, the boxing episodes take me so long to do. So fucking long to do. Jesus, it's brutal. December 10th here, he's fighting his first linker, who's Antonio Gomez of Venezuelan, who is a 43-7-2 career fighter. December 10th here, he's fighting his first linker, who's Antonio Gomez of Venezuelan, who is a 43-7-2 career fighter.

43 wins, 7 losses, 2 draws. Only 2 losses coming into this fight. So this is a no-joke fight. It's also tough to investigate these because with baseball, you're looking at just their stats. You don't care about the rest of their team. Yeah, well, right. If you had to do the same research for for these as you do for those like for those every guys and you had to investigate every dude that i've played for the other fucking team it'd be horrible holy christ we'd have one show a month yeah we'd have one show a month sorry guys of the yakima sun kings are there for fuck's sake

jesus christ i swear to god we'd do one show a month and that'd be it. And I'd be angry the whole time. Like, here's your fucking show, right? You happy now? Great. There, good. See ya. I'll be back in my hell now. This fight goes the distance.

All ten rounds goes to decision. And Esteban loses a unanimous decision this time for his first loss. Now he is fighting a Venezuelan in Caracas and it goes to the judges. It's going to be a little bit favorite. That's not great. And boxing is fighting a Venezuelan in Caracas and it goes to the judges. That's not great. Boxing is known for that. Especially to these kind of countries where safety and security isn't a great issue.

They might kill us if we vote for him. We might not get out of here alive. Let's do this here. He's 26 and 1 uh february 14th 72 he takes a couple months off heal his fucking head sure uh he fights in hiram bithorn stadium in uh san juan uh versus percy hales of jamaica he's a 35 30 and 6 career fighter uh this one goes the distance again 10 rounds uh Esteban wins, though, 27-1. Finally, April 10, 1972, he's fighting in the States.

I know Puerto Rico's part of the United States. I get that. Mainland, he comes to the fucking mainland. Fights in the Felt Forum in New York City. Holy shit. That's Madison Square Garden, small arena, still over 5,000 seats about. It's a lot. Yeah, it's where they do the boxing.

It's an awesome place for boxing. He fights George Kidd Foster. So he fights George Foster of the Mets and Cincinnati Reds with his giant afro. I would take George Foster of the Reds over Esteban because he was the meanest looking son of a bitch I've ever seen, George Foster. He frightened me. As a child, him and Reggie Smith looked like they would fuck you up. So anyway, he fights not the same George Foster, by the way. He's a 13-6-1 fighter, George Foster, and this is his last fight.

Really? He is TKO'd in round eight, and he thinks better of fighting. He's had enough. After that, he said, I'm good now. 28-1 now for Esteban at this point, and he is a great left hook at this point. He's a fantastic counterpuncher. He suckers people in, and he's a great counterpuncher. And if you leave yourself open, he will drop your ass with that hook.

Oh, sure. May 1, 1972, felt for him. He fights Marquez again, this time not in Puerto Rico. Right. TKO in 12 rounds that time. So a long fight. Great fights, too. 29-1 total.

July 8, 72, back to Hiram Bithorm Stadium. Angel Robinson Garcia of Cuba, who has a 138-80-21 record. 138-80-21. That is so many fights. That is 249 fucking fights. Holy shit. I'm sorry, 239 fights. That is unreasonable.

He quit 50-50 almost. He quit almost 500. One under. That's fucking unreasonable is what that is. That's so many fights. That's so many fights. And this goes the distance. Oh, boy.

How much brain damage does Robinson Garcia have? Too much. Too much. Holy shit. This is a unanimous decision. Esteban wins in 10, 30 and 1. July 28, 72. Madison Square Garden. Yeah. This is a unanimous decision. Esteban wins in 10, 30 and 1, July 28, 72. Madison Square Garden. Yeah.

This is it here. This is a money fight. Yeah. This is, fuck, man. You could buy the whole town of where you're from for this fight. This is good shit. Yeah. He fights Chuck Wilburn.

Oh, boy. You don't get any more American sound than Chuck Wilburn. Hey, Chuck, how's it going? He boxed him in American flag trunks. He absolutely did. He came out. He's very white, very square, no definition to his physique. Triangle patch of chest hair.

That's it. He came out. All right, mister, let's get it on. And then he goes the distance with Esteban. OK. He's 10 and 1 coming in, Wilburn, by the way. Esteban wins this. Unanimous decision here.

Wilburn, after the fight, said that he felt he'd been overmatched. He just said he felt Esteban was a better fighter and he was just overmatched by him. Yeah, and it's true. Very friendly American. Yeah, he was like, that guy who whooped my ass. Didn't hit me hard enough to kill me but it hurt me, but fuck did he beat my ass. I feel like I got bee stings all over me.

September 18th, 1972, in San Juan he fights Raimundo Diaz of Brazilzil uh he's a 25 10 and 7 fighter another distance goes 10 rounds again jesus christ so much brain damage uh esteban wins october 30th 72 so a month later in san juan fights don mcclendon uh who's a 12 21 and 2 fighter guess how long it goes? The fucking distance again. 33 and 1, though, for Esteban. This is when boxing gets boring.

Yeah, this is... Well, actually, these guys... You like those? They're so... If a heavyweight fight goes 10 and gets a unanimous decision, it's usually boring. Yeah.

130 pounds, these guys threw so many blows. They're just tagging each other. It's the most exciting... Some of these fights are so fucking exciting. Well, I could watch that. But if they're just dancing around being defensive, I don't want to watch that. Yeah, no, no. That's not these guys.

These guys throw blows. They drop punches. Although sometimes those can be exciting, too, because you're on the edge of your seat waiting for that one blow that ends the whole thing. This is like Ward Gotti. Drop bombs on each other. It's like a Rocky movie come to life. It's just people throwing fucking everything here.

He is, people are starting to really be impressed by him now. They saw him in Madison Square Garden. They think he's a badass. They do think Roberto Duran will kick his ass though. That's one thing. He was recently won the lightweight championship, and they think Duran's just too mean and too tough to be taken down. And Duran at this point is coming off back-to-back first-round knockouts.

And they're talking about who he's going to fight next, and DeJesus' name comes up here. He's a Puerto Rican, and so that's something. He's like, okay, we could fight him. He said this might be a good fight in New York City, too. He's going to have a good fan base of Puerto Rican people he's going to bring into the fight. So he'll draw. He just fought at the Garden, and he won. So they're like, OK.

So they plan this fight. He's supposed to fight in November against Duran in Madison Square Garden. So this is a fucking huge fight. Huge, huge fight. So Duran, before the fight, a couple weeks before the fight, he's driving up a hillside. He's driving up a hillside at home. He veers off the road and hurt himself. Not severe life-threatening injuries, but enough to fuck him up pretty good.

He had cuts to his lips and an elbow he messed up. He just hurt himself type of thing. No airbags. No, absolutely not. An elbow he messed up. And he just hurt himself type of thing. No airbags. No. Absolutely not. So what he would do, though, because he's a tough kind of machismo son of a bitch, they said he shrugged it off, drank a whole bunch that night, and then just went to America the next day.

Wow. Fuck it. I'm fine. No worries. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. So November 17th, 72, Madison Square Garden, Roberto Duran and Esteban DeJesus. Duran is 31-0 coming in, man.

Oh, Jesus. Wow. DeJesus' trainer, Benitez, here said, quote, I expect my man to knock out Duran by the eighth round. It had been DeJesus' dream to fight in Madison Square Garden, and we will win the fight one way or another. Wow. So he's saying they're going to fucking win. This is not for the title, Duran's title. This is a 10,000 fans it draws.

Yeah. And most of them are Puerto Ricans, so they want DeJesus to win here. Boxing is very clan-ish in terms of country. It's very racist. It's very racist, yeah. If you're in Ecuador and you want to see that Venezuelan get his fucking head beat in, just the way it is. And everybody wants the French to lose. Yeah, and they're also too.

And he's good too. Jesus, he's a hard puncher. He's tough. So they start the fight. They introduce they had some old boxers there as guests of honor. They sit down. 30 seconds in, everybody's moving around. 30 seconds in, everybody's moving around.

30 seconds in, Esteban just lands the left hook from the heavens and fucking knocks Duran down. Okay. This is the first time he's been knocked down in his career, Duran. Ever. First time his knee hit the mat. First time he's been hit on the ground. First time the refs ever had to count or do anything. He's never been knocked down.

This is 30 seconds into the fight, he's knocked down. So he so he's got to be thinking whoa Puerto Ricans are losing their mind losing their fucking mind because everyone thinks I mean the odds are hardcore tough son of a bitch man he gets up at six though he's pissed off he's pissed off he's super aggressive after that but he's

the press said he appeared flat-footed and disinterested. I don't know what it was, but Esteban just took control. Harold Letterman, the boxing analyst, said, quote, he just came out of the corner and took it right to Roberto Duran. They seemed to be boxing on even terms, so to speak, in the middle rounds, and all of a sudden he threw a left hook and caught Duran in the jaw, and Duran was sitting on his rear end looking up at DeJesus and when Roberto got up

it wasn't the same Roberto Duran wow so that's it he took the he did he took he took the aggression out of him yeah he Roberto's used to just coming in and bullying you and he came in to bully and got popped with a left hook that he didn't see and got knocked down now he's like oh shit I might not see a punch coming that's going to knock me down. That makes you gun shy. Got to be a different fighter. Makes you gun shy. Yeah, absolutely here.

So this goes the distance, the full distance. And it is a unanimous decision for Esteban De Jesus beating Duran for the first time, which is pretty impressive. And this is a huge deal in boxing. And this is a title fight. This is not a title fight, but it's a huge deal in boxing that Duran got beat. Got it. Humongous.

Especially, it wasn't a lucky punch. He went the distance and just got beat. And he got pulled on his ass. And got knocked down. They're just like, whoa. So back in Puerto Rico here, Coliseo Roberto Clemente in San Juan. Everything's probably named after Roberto Clemente there. I'm sure it is.

It's not named after DeJesus, and we'll find out why. It should be at this point. You're thinking he's going to have statues of him everywhere. They're going to take those statues down pretty fucking quick because he's got some shit coming up. Let's just say that. Oh, this gets – now it's all boxing. This gets as crazy and off the rails as anything that would Oh, this gets... Now it's all boxing. This gets as crazy and off the rails as anything that would ever happen.

It is wild what happens to him. He fights Ray Lampkin, a 34-6-1 career fighter. 19-0 coming in. 12 rounds. Unanimous, again, decision for Esteban. This is for the NABF light heavyweight title.

Esteban's a champion. He's a champion. He's 35-1. Good for him. April 16, 73, again at the Coliseo there in San Juan. He fights Johnny Gant. Ten-round unanimous decision again. So we're getting all these decisions, all of these rounds, adding up, adding up. At this time, he and Nelly, his wife, have a second daughter named Vivian.

Oh, no. So she's pretty fertile, and they're popping out kids. Oh, boy. Every two years, they're going to have kids in the 70s. That's how it works here. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about our sponsor, SimpliSafe Security Systems. Yeah, SimpliSafe.com.

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New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her?

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I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. To the show. May 21st, 73. Raul Mantoya, he fights.

Unanimous decision, 10 rounds again. These rounds are every month. That's a lot. Long fights. That is a lot. Yep, absolutely. Tyson never did that. Fuck no.

Fuck no. Once a year, at best. Yeah, and heavyweights, they can't get hit that much. But still, back then, guys would fight. We've done this before where I'm rattling these off. It happens so much. Oh, my God. Even like Riddick Bowe in the beginning of his career. Yeah, too many.

Too many. July 14th at the Felt Forum. And now he's crowdsourcing his rent. Jesus, what a disaster Riddick Bowe. Poor bastard. Felt Forum again. Ray Lampkin again. 12 round unanimous decision because now it's a title fight so they're fighting 12.

He's 38-1. Panama City on September 8th, 73, fights Radames Checo. This guy is 0-15 in his career. Did he win this fight? He lost this fight. He's 0-4 coming in. KO in round one. 0-15.

First round knockout this time. He's taking 15 fights to change his mind. Maybe I'm bad at this. I would— Three, James. You think I'm bad at this? 0-3, I'll never do it again. I love it, though. I'm going to change his mind. Maybe I'm bad at this. I would... Three, James. You think I'm bad at this? 0-3, I'll never do it again. I love it, though.

I'm going to keep doing it. He's like that comic that just keeps going to the open mics, and you're like, stop. 0-15. You're terrible. Just stop it. Holy shit. October 29th, he fights Miguel Mayan, who wins a unanimous decision in 10 rounds. So he fights the garbage guy, knocks him out, and then we're right back to these long ones.

He fights Al Foster in November of 73, knocks him out in round one, actually, again. He's a garbage fighter, though, 14-25 career. January 7, 74, he fights Alfonso Peppermint Frazier. That is amazing from Panama. He's a linker. That guy sounds like he makes candy. It's Peppermint Frazier right there. That's amazing linker. That guy sounds like he makes candy. Peppermint.

It's Peppermint Frazier right there. That's amazing. I want to be Alfonso. At least they recognize that sugar is overused. That's true. That's what they were going to use. He's minty, though. They were going with sugar first.

He's sharp on the tongue right there. Alfonso Peppermint Frazier. He'll open up your nasals. That's what he'll do. He sounds like a businessman who gets brought down by a child molesting ring, doesn't he? Alfonso Peppermint Frazier last year. Always has those candies. Computer files are uncovered.

Always handing those peppermints to the kids. That's right. This fight goes 10 rounds, but it's a knockout in the 10th round. Let Uncle Peppermint help you out with them PJs. Uncle Peppermint. Hey, everybody, why don't you come stay at Uncle Peppermint's house? We're going to have lots of fun. You know how Uncle Peppermint gets down.

Plenty of covering books. We're going to take our sleeping bags out. Me, you. That's right, Uncle Peppermint is going to put his sleeping bag right down on the floor next to you. Right next to yours. He's going to read you a story. There's plenty of room in mine for you. Oh, there will be peppermint there.

Don't you worry. Uncle Peppermint got peppermint candies. He got a great big old peppermint stick. Come find Uncle Peppermint. Come on down. Sit next down to Uncle Peppermint. What's up? My peppermint stick

filled with something chewy. What? Now, kids, come sit on Uncle Peppermint stick filled with something chewy. Now, kids, come sit on Uncle Peppermint's lap. I'm going to tell you a story about when I was a young boy. This is getting gross. Now, when I was a young boy, I had an Uncle Peppermint.

And I said, I didn't think it was the right thing to do either, but he told me it was. And you know what? If he wasn't right, I'll tell you something. I'm going to show you what Uncle Peppermint taught me. Uncle Peppermint's a linker, so I'm loving Peppermint Frazier at this point. Knocks him out in the 10th round.

Now, 74, there's a rematch in the works between Esteban and Duran. And at this point, this is when his trainer, Benitez, finds out that Esteban is using drugs now. Oh, boy. Now it's getting to be, and it's not just weed anymore. Now it's Coke, and now he really likes Coke, and now he has money to buy Coke. He can afford the Coke. Now he can afford Coke.

So now life is getting different here. The trainer, he says, Benitez said, quote, I knew that he used cocaine. He didn't use it to fight. An undercover cop came to me and said that Esteban used to be out at midnight with bad people, and they knew that he used cocaine. He didn't use it to fight. An undercover cop came to me and said that Esteban used to be out at midnight with bad people, and they knew that he used drugs. I told him that if he wanted to keep boxing, he should quit drugs. He said, what? He denied it. So he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know. I'm just, me and Peppermint are hanging out with some kids. It's all natural and all healthy and fine. So they said, Benitez said that Esteban would give a bunch of money to a drug dealer named

Louis, who we'll talk about in a minute too. Sure. And he would basically pay Louis to be like his, Louis would then take his money and he would take him to parties. Of course. That were coke and women parties. Of course. So it would be like, yeah, I pay you some money.

I didn't buy anything from them. You take me to this party. I loaned Louis some cash. And Louis, yeah, Louis would be, these. I didn't buy anything from them. You take me to this party. I loaned Louie some cash. Louie, yeah, Louie, these were cocaine and women are plentiful. These are parties set up. Coke and pussy den. That sounds great. It's like Willie Mays Aikens

parties that that guy was setting up. Same thing. So March 16th, 74. This is Panama City. Roberto Duran. He's fighting Roberto Duran who has not lost since the last fight against Esteban. And he's good and fucking pissed off now. 16,000 people there. Crazy fight.

This temperature is over 100 degrees at ringside. It's hot as fuck there. And they're going to fight in that shit? Yeah. And they were having a hard time making weight, too. They tried to postpone. Benitez tried to have the fight postponed, saying that Esteban suffered a cut while he was sparring, but he really couldn't make weight. They were having trouble.

But it's $40,000, and so he had to get in there anyway. So he gets in there. And Roberto Duran, same thing. He had a hard time making weight. A whole deal. They get in there. Duran, same thing. He had a hard time making weight, a whole deal. They get in there. Duran is pissed, okay? He comes in opening round, fucking attacking the shit out of Esteban.

He wants to kill him. Esteban comes in with a left hook, and wouldn't you fucking know it? Wouldn't you know it? Knocked him on his ass again. One more time. He's like, son of a bitch. First round knockdown. Again, Durant.

So he's super pissed. He gets up super quick. He's upset. He's pissed off. And he just beats Esteban's ass the whole rest of the fight. He took control. After the third round, it was just a beating. In the seventh round uh a right hand knocks esteban down uh he gets up but i mean just keeps getting pummeled and pummeled and pummeled and at the end of the

10th round he goes into his corner this is fucking nuts he goes into his corner at the end of the 10th round and tells benitez that he's done yeah he tells his trainer he can't go anymore i'm drained yeah i fucking had to drop all this weight it's's 100 degrees out, and he's kicking my ass. I'm done. I got nothing left. So what Benitez said, fuck you, you're not going out there. Get your ass out there. He pulls him up and literally pushes him into the ring. Oh, my God. And the bell rang.

Wow. Get the fuck out there, asshole. Now, your trainer's supposed to be protecting you, number one. And he's trying to murder you. He's trying to murder you. Gets in there. Jesus gets out of the corner, and this lasts 30 seconds of the round, and Duran knows that he's wobbly. It's over.

He comes in and just whoops him. I mean, he just beats him good. Sends him down finally, and he takes the full count of 10 from his knees. Jesus. He just gets up on his knees and can't get up anymore. He's drained. He physically couldn't get up. He tried.

He's got heart. I mean, is there a shame in staying in the corner, though? You know what I mean? No, he physically couldn't. That's my point. Yeah, he wasn't afraid. He just couldn't lift his arms anymore. Is there shame in that at all?

Why did the fucking trainer push him out? Because he saw that as a weakness against him. He wasn't trained properly then. He would have been. I think that's what it was. Or he was just a dick and was used to doing that to his kids he thought he was in a backyard when his kid was seven thought this was a nine-year-old it was three three dollars on the line here all in bets you go get me that gas money uh so now he's 42 and two esteban is uh june 10 74 but there's no shame in losing that fight to dururan. Duran's an animal. He fights Gerardo Ferrat, TKO's him in five rounds, gets his groove back.

September 2nd, 1974 in San Juan, he fights Javier Ayala, who's a 26-26-1 fighter. He goes, I'm quitting before it gets worse. This is a unanimous decision in ten rounds. This is 44-2 for Esteban. Now, I keep wanting to call him Jesus. This is DeJesus. And I keep going, ah, Esteban, because I want to say Jesus. I keep thinking of Gina DeJesus, one of the girls that was kidnapped in Ohio.

Oh, jeez. Ariel Castro. That was one of his girls. Yeah, that's fucking interesting. That sucks that I just— Gave him some free pub? Yeah, well, I feel like I just fucking made her be his forever in that sentence. I guess it's not his girl.

Well, Candy Maldonado doesn't make candy either. So we make mistakes and we don't mean to. Gina's a terrific girl. I'm sure. Great, Gina. I hope everything's going well for you in your life. March 1575 in Caracas. Yeah.

I fight Jesse Lara. He's an American. Yeah. He's a 1540 and five career fighter. KOs Jesse in Caracas. He fights Jesse Lara. He's an American. He's a 15, 40, and 5 career fighter. K.O.'s Jesse in round three. May 17th, 75, Panama City. He fights Antonio Cervantes. This is for the WBA World Super Lightweight title.

This guy, Cervantes, is 71, 9, and 3 coming in. Wow. So he does some fighting. That's a real fighter. That's a fighter, yeah. This goes the-3 coming in. Wow. So he does some fighting. That's a real fighter. That's a fighter, yeah. This goes the distance of 15 rounds. Wow. Fifth fucking teen rounds they used to fight title fights back then.

That's crazy. That is obscene. That's too much. You can't fight for 15 rounds, and they did it constantly back then. Eventually, after 15 rounds, as a judge, that's just too many rounds. You can't pay attention. It's grueling. Yeah, you lose track of how you're going to remember round five after you've 15 rounds.

That's a great point. It's too many. But he loses. Esteban does. Of course he does. Unanimous decision. He's 45-3 now. He went all 15.

Yeah, all 15. Fuck. And he's depressed from this. He tried to go up in weight, too, is the other thing. So he's depressed in this. So what do go up in weight too so he's depressed in this so what do you do? You have to have another kid I think and he has a son this time he has his first son in 75

Jimmy what do you think he names him? I'll give you one guess and we all know Junior you bet your ass fucking Junior October 11, 75. God, he fucked it all up.

Fucking. Damn it. What a dipshit. He could have had a fine life, Esteban. And then he went and named his kid Junior. He could have retired from boxing. Screwed it all up. Not done coke ever again.

Nope. And been fine with his two daughters. Oh, boy. He's going to be doing so much more coke in different ways. And little Antonio or some shit. If coke was the worst of it, too, that would be great for him. That would be fantastic. Little Antonio. October 11, 75. If Coke was the worst of it, too, that would be great for him. That would be fantastic. Little Antonio.

October 1175, he fights Rudy Barrow of the Philippines. This is TKO in five rounds. At this point, he signs with new management. He gets rid of Papa Benitez here. Keeps thinking about that time that Papa pushed him back into the fucking ring. Yeah, I think he's not happy

about that. He probably had a few more fights left on the contract. Papa Benitez gets $25,000 for him. He sells him, basically, to Jose Pantolones Santiago. His name is Pantolones? That's his nickname. Okay. Pantolones.

Jose, quote, Pantolones Santiago. Jose Andes Santiago. Exactly. The guy's nickname is Captain Underwear. That's ridiculous, man. So he says Santiago, I'm sorry, Benitez said he wants to concentrate on his son's career and he doesn't have time for this shit. His son Frankie Benitez, which turns out to be a very sad story.

He was a really good fighter and then started, kind of went off and started losing some fights. Frankie was? Frankie, his kid. And Papa Benitez here said it was all the women. He said it was all women were for his son's downfall. He said, quote, he likes to play. He said he was just, he said his child was not welcome in his home or part of his family. Holy shit.

Because he slacked on boxing. Yeah, that's amazing. Now, Gregorio. He got mad at him because he slacked on boxing uh yeah that's amazing now gregorio he got mad at him because he enjoyed pussy yes you know like he ruined his boxing career a lot of people get into a lot of things just for sex yeah no shit and uh gregorio jr at this point uh was really starting to show signs of bad brain damage oh yeah he was you know 20 something years old and showing horrible brain damage signs because you know he was forced to fight from the time he was four. Now, Jose Santiago is actually a baseball player.

He played with Cleveland's A-team, the Dayton Indians. He went to St. Wilkes Indians. He ended up going up to the majors in 1954 1954 pitched in part of two seasons for the cleveland indians he was two and oh with a 236 era wow this guy so now he's gonna manage boxing okay he uh was very outspoken against uh he did not like white american people and uh didn't need it didn't like he thought there was prejudice against them from against him from them and so he said fuck them basically. Now he had a trainer for him.

That's the manager. The trainer's Manny Siaka. He's a, they call that, he's a nicer trainer. He's not a fucking lunatic basically. Him and his wife become friends with Esteban and his wife, you know, that sort of thing. But at the moment he's got, they all have this new client and everything's great and everybody thinks it's great. But his drug problem is getting out of control, the pestilence.

He's a complete drug addict at this point. It doesn't matter what's going on. He still doesn't affect his boxing at all. He's training hard. He's present at home. But when he goes out at night, he is doing a shitload of coke. During this time, they say his drugs slowed down a lot, though, when he first, he got like reinvigorated with boxing.

Okay. Now, Siaka's wife, Nitsa, said that DeJesus was very close to their family. He said he didn't like too much of a crowd. He was a very kind man, sweet and courteous. I never saw him angry. Oh. So everybody says that in his whole life. No one ever saw him angry. Yeah. Ever. He his whole life. No one ever saw him angry.

Ever. He never snapped. He was just calm and collected like a lot of fighters are. They're calm and collected until they get brain damage. Now, March 6, 76, in Puerto Rico, he fights Valente Ramos, who is 2-4, coming in and finishes his career 2-10. Oh, shit. Not great here. So we'll tell you what happened here.

TKO in round 2 of 10. He passed the bonds 47-3. Jesus, he's doing great. Yeah, he really is. Now, this point, though, he has gone from smoking a little weed and partying and getting girls to snorting a bunch of cocaine to now shooting up cocaine. And also fuck parties. And fuck parties. Now he's decided to now shooting up cocaine. And also fuck parties. And fuck parties. Now he's decided to start shooting up cocaine.

Yeah. And it's at this point where, this point in the next year or two, where not only is he shooting up cocaine, but he's doing speed balls now. He's doing heroin and cocaine together, which, as we all know, is excessively dangerous when it comes to breathing and your heart beating. Right. It's not good for you. It will fuck your cardiovascular system up.

He would shoot up with his friends and with Enrique. Enrique is still there with him the whole time. Enrique is his drug fucking homie. He sits next to him. He's his drug partner. He was successful, though, in the ring, so it didn't matter. It was one of those things where no one said shit as long as he keeps winning fights. I think he's finding interesting places to inject it.

He has to. He can't do it on his fucking arms think he's finding interesting places to inject it. He has to. Yeah. He can't do it on his fucking arms. He's got to go out and spar. He's got to put it on his dick or something. He's probably doing it on his dick. He's doing it between his toes. He's doing it...

Between his sack and his fucking thigh. Dude, a lot of the... They do it in their leg. Yeah. A lot of the guys, they like to do it in their leg. In their ass. Well, I don't know if you can... Because you need to find a vein.

I don't know. It's not like steroids where you can jam it in your ass. I mean, probably up your asshole. Yeah, right in your ass. I think if you do it in your asshole, I think then it's okay. I'm just thinking of crazy interesting spots to put it. In your asshole, it's fine. Now, a reporter, a guy named Chu Garcia, said that he remembers that DeJesus was trying

desperately to kick his drug habit at this point. His family was very supportive. They were trying to help him. He tried to go cold turkey at one point. His family was very supportive. They were trying to help him. He tried to go cold turkey at one point, and that didn't work. Not when you're shooting up speedballs. If you're snorting a little coke, if you're shooting up speedballs, I think you're beyond that at that point. You have a chemical dependency that you can't just stop that and expect nobody to notice

that shit. No, it'd be fine. No, I'll'll train it out. No. It's like in baseball when they go, hey, you drink a case, you sweat a case, and they just hit the exercise bike the next morning if they had a bunch of beer. That's not this. You can't just drink orange juice instead. No, I shot up a bunch of speed balls, so I'm going to have to drink the whole thing of orange juice to kick this out of my system.

I need all the orange juice. He tried lots of things, though. He tried to go cold turkey. That didn't work. So he called in a psychiatrist from Mexico to come work with him. And that didn't work. No. Because that's not a chemical.

What the fuck are you doing? So that didn't work. So he said, well, maybe it's a curse. So he went and visited the local. He got a medicine doctor. He went to go visit the local Santeria priest. Literally. He sacrificed a chicken. He went to do the local. He got a medicine doctor. He went to go visit the local Santeria priest. Literally. He sacrificed a chicken.

He went to do Santeria. He's like, fuck it. Santeria maybe will fucking help me. I don't know. Chicken's got to die if I want to get clean. This chicken's going to die, but either way, I'm not jamming a needle in my dick anymore. I'm going to bathe in the blood of a rooster and I will be clean. Would you do me a favor?

Would you kill some poultry so I won't jam drugs into my cock? Is that possible? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard right there. What a fucking bananas thought. Wow. Let's drop pentagrams and chicken feet and I won't do drugs ever again. Jesus. But he's still boxing by May 8th, 1976 in

Puerto Rico. This is for the WBC World Lightweight title. He fights Guts Ishimatsu. He fights Guts Ishimatsu. Jesus. Guts Ishimatsu. He's a linker. Yay. His real name is Yuji Suzuki, but he goes by Guts Ishimatsu.

Okay. He's a 31, 14, and 6 career fighter. This goes all 15 rounds with Esteban winning a unanimous decision. All the press clippings said it was a 20,000 seat capacity, full house, total one-sided fight. And by the judges, Ishimatsu didn't win one round. Wow. And shouldn't have.

They said Esteban took control. And he was on coke. Just kept beating him. Almost like he had the fury of a guy on coke, but the calm of a guy on heroin. It's a really yin and yang balance that he had going on here. It's really good. Pretty tough stuff here.

It's amazing. Yeah. So the Ishimatsu fight, one-sided, like I said. He opened up – DeJesus opened up a cut on his cheek at one point. And the fight was almost stopped several times just in terms of uh de jesus was whooping his ass so bad the ref was like ready to jump in there and then you know he would slip himself away and save himself for another round uh he's very excited he celebrates uh by going out that night and doing a fuckload of cocaine absolutely lighten the town up with coke uh loving it uh but he uh you

know he went out he doesn't this is obviously on his own he's going out esteban at this point is just it's drugs it's money it's women he wants to fucking party he's going he's having the whole crime and sports meltdown here i love it silver-haired middle-aged white men are are perpetuating it propping it up letting it happen going hey i get that he's shooting up speedballs, but did you see him there with that right hand in the 12th? That's a fucking hell of a right hand. I mean, what are you going to do here? He's cheating on his wife a lot, too, obviously. Nitsa Siaka, again, she says, quote, as soon as DeJesus became champ, it was a new environment.

He had new friends, big shots. Then he started using drugs. I wouldn't call those friends. No, he was actually using drugs before that, but he started openly using drugs. Quote, when he was champ, he had a lot of money, a lot of power. He was one of the kings of boxing in Puerto Rico. So he's a king of that fucking island when he's a champ. I mean, that's all there is to it.

Clemente's dead. You're the king of the fucking island now. That's it, and that's all. So he feels like he can do no wrong. He can shoot up speedballs. Why not? Him and Enrique can go to it. Clemente's dead. You're the king of the fucking island now. That's it and that's all. So he feels like he can do no wrong. He can shoot up speedballs. Why not? Him and Enrique can go to town. September 10th, 1976 in Puerto Rico, he fights Hector Julio Medina, who

is 28-0 coming in. Wow. Smoking. This is a seventh round knockout for Esteban, though. Medina ends up going 28-3 for his career. He ruined this guy. Wow. So he has ruined, and we've seen this with good fighters. They will ruin a fighter. Right.

They will fuck a guy up so bad that they can't do it anymore. But I like Medina's move there that you lose three and you just fuck it. He went, all right, I'm done. I had 28 straight. And I think his head, he just ruined his head. Three is all you need. Destroyed him. Three is it.

Fuck, he lost the one. That tells you everything you need to know. Yeah. 49-3 for Esteban at this point here. Now, September 21st, 1976. He has a little run in here. He is being sought for questioning in connection. This is in Puerto Rico in San Juan with a drug bust at a luxury apartment in San Juan.

Why do they want to talk to him? A source in the drug and narcotics division of the Puerto Rico police spoke about it and they said that a friend of Esteban delivered a check for $39,000 made out in DeJesus' name to a guy

named Falul Fuentes and his wife Minerva Velia and both of them were charged with violation of the narcotics law. Okay. So they said that this couple was arrested after the check was delivered. They were waiting on them. They confiscated an undetermined amount of drugs they believed to be cocaine and heroin inside their home.

And $39,000 in a check. In a check. What are you giving them that money for? Exactly. And $39,000 in a check. In a check. What are you giving them that money for? Exactly.

And also seized DeJesus' car, which was being used by the family to transport drugs. Oh, shit. So basically, they were kicking up his piece to him. Sure, sure. He's fucking financing the situation. They're using his car, I'm sure, in exchange for cocaine, as much as he wants. So the police say, quote, we have been trying to locate Esteban to question him about the incident. We only want to know why a check made in his name for such a large amount was given to

follow. Another source there, someone who said they were anonymous, said that DeJesus has been seen in Venezuela that week. And they're talking about him defending his belt and that sort of thing. So they're looking for him for some cocaine issues. And this is not going to be the last time they're going to be looking for him for some drug issues, as you might imagine. I like it.

This is about to get real wacky here. February 12, 77, he fights Shinji Buzzsaw Yamabe, who is a Japanese guy. He's 26-6-2 coming in. I believe we've spoken of him before on the show. Buzzsaw? It sounds familiar. Yamabe. This is a TKO in round six. This is his 50th win, which is

great. Now, not so great. Right after this, he, Esteban, and his friend Louis, the drug dealer, open a restaurant together. He gives Louis $40,000 to open this restaurant. This restaurant, of course, fails quickly yeah uh obviously because it's a front and it's all it's all esteban's money that's gone obviously uh he started to become difficult at this point

with his family esteban did esteban did uh he didn't feel uh like he needed to he just his family was his wife would question him hey you were gone for like three days. Yeah. And you look fucked up and you came in. You look like shit. What's going on? And he was fucking pissed off about it. He was like, how dare you question me?

How dare you question me? No, he was. He was like Henry Hill and Goodfellas coming in. That's what I saw too. Karen, you know. I got enough to worry about getting whacked on the street. I got to come home for this? That's what he's doing right now.

He's like, what's your fight? She's just like, what the fuck? I'm here all the time by myself and you leave and come home? You look like shit. This is insanity. The FBI comes over. They said that a, quote, a quiet, gentle soul had become a monster when confronted about drugs or changes with his mood. That's what a family friend said. You mean like a heroin addict? You know, like a junkie? gentle soul had become a monster when confronted about drugs or changes with his mood. Yeah.

That's what a family friend said. You mean like a heroin addict? You know, like a junkie? Yeah. He's fine. He got a junkie for a wife. Hey, you doing drugs over there? They're like, I don't do fucking drugs.

Fuck you. What are you talking about? I got it under control. I know what I'm doing. His wife, Nellie, would beg him to go see a psychiatrist. He needs more than a psychiatrist. No doubt. He's doing speedballs.

He needs medical assistance. He needs more than a psychiatrist. He's doing speedballs. He needs medical assistance. He needs medical attention. But yeah, he felt insulted by that and would yell at her and lash out and disappear for days at a time. To go do coke. Yeah, to do more coke. And that was a good excuse, too. How dare you? I'm leaving.

Because of your actions, I'm leaving for days and I'm not going to contact you and I don't know where I'll be. Goodbye. This is your fault, remember? Goodbye. And he goes out and does tons of coke. Any insinuation that he was doing anything that was not perfect, he would freak the fuck out.

And in between lines, he's going, how dare her think I'm doing coke? He's doing that with a needle hanging out of his arm. He hasn't done lines in years at this point. He's well past lines. In between plungers. He's all needles now, baby. He's tying his arm up going, how dare that bitch question me? He's cooking that shit on the spoon.

He's like, fucking, how dare her? Look at me. Clearly, I'm out of control. No, I don't control. This is heroin, you dumb broad. And his thoughts were, I'm still boxing. I'm still making money. I've got it under control.

Obviously, I can do what I'm doing, and I'll be fine. And why can't everybody leave me the fuck alone? Let me be the man of the house. Because you're going to die, sir. Make my money and do what the hell I want to do. So June 25, 77, he fights another linker, Vincente Miyares. He's 14-0 coming in. Esteban knocks him out in the 11th round.

51-3, not bad. This sets him up for a third fight with Roberto Duran. This puts him here. Don King is the promoter. Really? Oh, boy, yeah. Don King is the promoter here. Don King gets involved with this shit.

Oh, absolutely. Do you think he knows that he's a speedball freak? I don't think he gives a shit if this guy has a needle hanging out of his eyeball if he'll draw a crowd right that's what he's happy about and he wants this match it's uh so it's going to happen here uh they start getting the match it's for they're talking about october or september uh they're saying that you know he's he beat duran so that's a big deal to sell the fight. This is the guy who beat him. He's the last guy for that. Now, in 1977, they're reporting about Frankie Benitez. Remember we talked about Frankie Benitez, the youngest?

He was 19, and he was talked out of retirement by his father. He's the rebellious one. These actions caused him to be just completely ostracized from his family. But brain damage was so bad by 22, he had a mental disability after that that forced him to live permanently at a home. Oh, fuck. Where he would quietly read the Bible. Oh, my God. Can you believe that shit?

Had no idea. He's fucking putting brains. He has no idea what's even happening. He doesn't know that his dad forced him to go putting a fire in his brain even more. Yeah. So James Brackety fights, beats him in a unanimous decision. In 10, the fight

against, it's set for January 21st, 78, the fight against Duran. Three days before the fight in Vegas, three days before the fight, a Las Vegas judge issues a temporary restraining order. It's sought by a Chicago promoter named Robert Blond, who claims he had a contract

with Duran to fight the next month against Vincente Salvador. And also Don King is named in this suit because he's the promoter who's taking him away. Salvador's attorney also says that Blonde didn't meet any of his part of the contract, didn't meet expenses for training costs, blah, blah, blah. The judge, it's just a temporary injunction. The judge lifts it when they find out it has no merit. But the fight almost didn't take place. That was two days before the fight. January 21st, 78, Caesars Palace in Vegas.

Holy shit. Big time. Roberto Duran. This is a one-on-one battle right now. Each is a winner. Rubber match. Yeah, that's the one. And Roberto Duran is 62-1 coming in. Jesus.

Just fucking badass here. One loss is to this guy. Yeah, one loss. This whole thing, both of them had trouble making weight for this fight. They said that they were using a water diet, quote, of deprivation from food and exercise. Duran also later said that he starved himself and took tons of pills for diarrhea. Jesus. He was like a fucking teenage girl trying to fucking, you know, with an eating disorder or something, this guy.

He's like the girl from Saved by the Bell. Yeah, it's Jesse Spanos. Now, Esteban, on the other hand, lucky for him when he needs to lose weight. He's got a surefire way of doing it. All he needs to do is jack some cocaine into his veins and he's fine. That fucking moment in that show when they made anorexia hilarious because it's so stupid. Well, she wasn't the anorexic one. She was taking diet pills to study. Yeah, but she was going, I'm so excited.

That was to study. Really? Doing exercising to study? She was anorexic in the show, taking diet pills to study. That was to study. Really? Doing exercising to study? She was anorexic in the show, though. She was buying... In that episode, she was taking speed to stay up and study all night. Is that all it was? I thought it was a fucking eating disorder.

She wanted to stay up and study all night. I've seen the whole thing, but I recall it being a fucking eating disorder. She's like, no, I have a test in the morning. She's taking no dose. She's like, no, I have a test in the morning. She's taking like no-dos. It's fucking terrible. It was no-dos, right? Zach hugged her and he said, take your top off, sweetheart. And then it went into Showgirls started after that.

It's a very weird episode to say, but it's a very special episode to say by the Bell. Showgirls started right after that. It's the merge episode. That's the crossover right there. I know something that'll make you feel better, sweetheart. You could still dance. Don't worry. I got a stage and brass bars for you. You're still going to dance.

Listen, it's all right. And he reminds me of somebody that would do that. Oh, definitely. So scummy. All right, going on. So anyway, this is on national TV. This is a big fucking deal here. Duran had a brilliant fight from Duran,

if you watched the fight. And DeJesus fought valiantly. I mean, on slot, he was really coming after him the first few rounds, but Duran was just too tough, man, in the end. And Duran got stronger as his career went on and as rounds went on. At the end, he was done.

But Esteban kept trying. He even did a thing where he'd get a good shot. Duran hit him with a good shot, and he would laugh. He'd do that thing. You're not hurting me. You're not hurting me. But it doesn't matter because that just pisses Duran off even more. And finally, the bout is stopped in the 12th round with a TKO, and he loses his title.

Esteban does. He's 52-4 for his career. Duran says, quote, it was a proud moment because you had two Latino fighters doing battle in Las Vegas. It was a tough fight. DeJesus is a very good fighter. And then he says later on about this, quote, I remember I got drunk drunk after the fight and I ran into DeJesus in the elevator we were talking and I invited him

back to the room to play dominoes he said he couldn't beat me in the ring but he could take me in dominoes but he never showed up why because he was out to do speedballs and Duran just wanted to have some beers and play some dominoes like a normal fucking person Jesus Christ here

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I hope you join us. This also, this was a $150,000 payday for Esteban. Biggest of his career. $150,000 is his biggest one? Biggest of his lightweight fighters in the 70s. Think about it. I mean, 70s lightweight fighters. Ali was the attraction and shit like that.

That finances that lifestyle, though? Jesus. In Puerto Rico? Fuck yeah, it does. Absolutely. That's a good point. Siaka about this, the wife again, said, quote, the loss to Duran was a very big thing to him. He felt depressed that it was the end for him, that he didn't have it anymore.

So mentally, this broke him. It really did. Really broke him. They said at this point he was not the same guy at all here. Mentally, he's been broken for a while. You know what I mean? He doesn't even know it, but he's got a chemical dependency. And now he doesn't even have the confidence.

Right, that's what it is. His confidence is broken. He's going to go farther into drugs here. And Siakas said he had stopped taking drugs for a while, but he had that group that he went with. Nelly had no control over him. No shit. He fights again in June of 78 in San Juan against Pablo Baez. It's a TKO in the third round.

Now at this point, his old Benitez, his old trainer here is telling, he's now saying he wants to sell his kid. He wants to sell Wilford. He says, quote, I want to sell my kid Wilford. All I'm asking is $150,000, 10% of all his future purses, and two tickets to all his fights. This guy's a real fucking prince, isn't he? Unbelievable. He's a real nice guy here. San Juan here, Esteban fights Chuchu Hernandez, which, Jesus Christ, Chuchu Hernandez.

Doesn't sound like a great fighter. Shocker, he's not. He's 0-1 coming in, and he's 0-2 for his career. So this is like career number seven that Esteban has ended. Now at this point, it's mid-78. He's always wired. He's either so depressed that he can't talk or he's so jacked on coke that he can't sit still. That's all he does.

He'll stay awake for days. That's not good. Just fucking days. He was shooting. He's smoking it. He's shooting it. That sort of thing. He says, we have it in their own words.

In their own words on the cocaine. In their own words. He talks about the drug use? Very briefly. In their own words, quote, people take you to parties that have cocaine and then you start using. The worst part is when you open your eyes, it is too late. You are already addicted. Fair enough.

Yeah. So at least he knew that. That's later on here. So he's not a nice guy anymore at this point. He yells at people for no reason. Like not even for provocation. Yeah, he's just, he thought everyone was out to get him. He got super, super, super paranoid.

He started talking like the boxing, the matchmakers were out to get him. Really? And they were trying to fuck him over. And he was pissed off. And he was yelling at people. And he would go out and yell at people for no reason. He basically became a selfish lunatic.

He'd be up for three, four days at a time. Yeah. Fucking smoking cocaine and shooting speedballs. Jesus. You can't do that. You know, you just can't. He fights Edwin Viret on October 27, 1978

in Madison Square Garden. This is an actual linker. This is a split decision in 10 rounds that Esteban wins, and his opponent here, Edwin, blames Don King for putting the fix in, because at this point, Don King is promoting DeJesus' fights.

He says, Edwin says of DeJesus, not his fault, though. He says, quote, he was good people, you know, but he's still pissed off at Don King. Years later, they talk to him. He's still mad at Don King for this fucking fight. Today, he's still mad. It's obviously speculation. But do you think that's what's going on with Randy Quaid? Why? Do you think he did drugs and now he's a fucking yeah and now and like like this because he yeah he behaves so similar to this yeah erratic yeah drug behavior fucking nut yeah that's erratic drug behavior i would say yeah live streaming himself having sex with his horrendous

looking wife yeah when i saw randy quaid's horse shit, I was like, oh boy, he's on drugs. Wow. Holy shit. That's got to be cocaine fueled, right? I would say so. I would think so. So old Edwin Virouette said of him about Esteban, quote, sometimes you get that big money, you got a lot of people talking to you. Sometimes you got a weak mind, you do things you aren't supposed to.

Yeah. Fair enough. Still, though, Esteban's 55 and 4 in his career. And also too, later on it's found out he started injecting shit because he didn't like smoking the drugs because he still wanted to have his cardio and his lung capacity

in the ring. So he's like, if I shoot it, ah, there we go. Now I can breathe still. So this is good. You know what i mean uh october 4th 79 at msg fights jimmy blevins uh and he wins a unanimous decision uh uh pretty easily too from what i understand it wasn't a tough fight for him november november 9th 79 and msg he fights ruby ortiz uh wins a unanimous decision and uh in 10 rounds he opened up a cut under Ortiz's eye in the ninth round and then opened up another cut on the other side the next round. So this guy was just bleeding like crazy.

No knockdowns, but still. Sure. Still, he's only 27 at this point, by the way. That's bananas. And he's like totally fucking. And he's the king of Puerto Rico. He feels washed up, too, and all this. God damn it. It's so bad, man.

He gets more into drugs here than ever. He's really just into it hardcore here. He fights Jose Vallejo on May 10, 1980, in San Juan. He's a two-in-one coming in. This guy, Esteban, knocks him out in the seventh round. He's 58-4. So, again, family saying all he's doing is fucking disappearing. He would disappear for long periods of time at a time, injecting shit.

He would have like a kit that he kept in the garage and he'd do shit and then he'd leave the house all jacked up. He was a mess, man. He fights July 7, 1980, in the Metropolitan Sports Center in Bloomington, Minnesota. It's the undercard of the Larry Holmes Scott Ledoux heavyweight title. And if you're a wrestling fan,

Scott Ledoux was an AWA referee in the mid-'80s. Is that right? Yes, he fought a little feud with Larry Zbysko in the 80s at, I believe it was WrestleRock there, which the WrestleRock Rumble we did the song for.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He has a part Wrestle Rock Rumble we did the song for. He has a part in it, Scott LaDuke. Awful. He sounds so brain damaged, it's not even funny. You can't even understand him. He's just mumbling. He's like... That's his part of the rap. So if you want to hear a heavyweight contender rap poorly, a white heavyweight

contender from Minnesota rap, Wrestle Rock Rumble is all for you. That shit is depressing. He fights Sal Mambi at this point. A linker, another one here. This is for the WBC World Super Lightweight title. This is the fans were up for DeJesus. They wanted Esteban to win. It's a tough fight, actually.

Esteban is knocked down in the 12th. Oh, really? And then he's knocked down again in the 13th, and the ref calls the fight. He loses, Esteban does, by TKO in round 13 of 15. Fuck. He's 58-5 for his career. And also, Mambi would later claim that Don King fucked him out of the money, and he was not paid shit. He didn't get paid anyway.

He was not paid shit for this, and then eventually was forced to accept a lesser amount or not get anything. Yeah, we know people that do that yeah uh career now career he is 58 and 5 esteban is with 33 knockouts yeah uh a boxing columnist for a newspaper down there said quote esteban was beloved by fans he was the biggest fighter in puerto rico for a long time. When he beat Duran, he became an idol. Now, in retirement, he starts really fucking up. Now he doesn't even have to train. I mean, at least training kept him grounded somewhat. He could do all the shit, but at some point he had to get his shit together, get in the gym, get up at 4 a.m., do road work. When you're fighting all day, you can't be shooting up speed balls when you're training for 12 hours.

So that keeps him semi on the right path anyway here, but not for a long time because once he's done, that's it. He's totally fucked here. He's arrested at one point during a raid of pretty much a crack house in San Juan. It's a big heroin selling house. He's arrested there in San Juan. It's a big heroin selling house. He's arrested there in a raid. And then another time here shortly after retirement and 1980, he is arrested for selling a small amount of heroin to an undercover agent.

He's selling people fucking heroin. What are you doing? You fucking moron. But he was actually acquitted because of the agent's testimony had a couple discrepancies, and he's also a national hero, and you can stab a guy in the shower in front of 30 people down there. So if you're famous, you're not going down in Puerto Rico back then anyway. Well, at least not easily.

No, absolutely not. And in 1980, his mother dies of a heart attack. Oh, fuck. And then he's, that's it. He's- Off the rails. Off the fucking rails. His mother was his a heart attack. Oh, fuck. And then he's, that's it. He's off the rails. Off the fucking rails. His mother was his kind of emotional center. The Nitska Siatcha said again, Esteban was affected emotionally by her death.

He was very depressed. It's just, it's terrible. He had a hard time and more drugs. Toward the end of 1980, the summer of 1980, Benitez is back, his old trainer, and asked him to re-team with him. But he said he was kind of, basically the trainer said he was kind of more interested in heroin than anything else. Quote, Benitez said, quote, I told DeJesus that I wanted to make him a champion again. Santiago said that he would give me Esteban for free. I would put him in a fight for $15,000.

He didn't show up. He said he told him, quote, those people are going to kill you or you are going to kill someone based on all his drugs. He didn't even show up. He had a chance to fight again, and he said, not interested. I'll sell heroin to an undercover officer instead. November 25, 1980. This is not Esteban, but this is Sugar Ray Leonard versus Roberto Duran. This is one of the most famous fights in the history of boxing. This is the

No Mas fight. That might be why I know. Roberto Duran? Yeah. This is the No Mas fight. Roberto Duran is an animal. He's a bully. He's a tough, just a bad motherfucker. He comes forward. He's just as bad as it gets, and he should have a reputation of being so tough, but he has this

reputation of anytime anybody says Roberto Duran anybody who knows anything about boxing first thing they say is no mas because that's what happened he fought he fought Sugar Ray Leonard and and he wouldn't come out in the eighth round and he said no mas

I'm done no more and so after that everybody said he was a coward and a pussy and all this kind of thing he was just hurt maybe Sugar Ray Leonard is just that god damn good he so after that, everybody said he was a coward and a pussy and all this kind of thing. He was just hurt. Maybe Sugar Ray Leonard's just that goddamn good. He was fucking hurt, and he said he was done. He was done, and that's what happened. But, I mean, he's not a quitter.

He never quit before. And the guys know when they're done, and they don't want to go in and be unsafe, too. I mean, if you go in, you don't feel like you can defend yourself. You can die in there. Yeah. Like Esteban got knocked out quick when he didn't feel like he could defend himself. So that was a sad thing. This is going to haunt Duran the rest of his life, this No Mas thing, which is total horseshit because he's one of the greatest fighters in the history of boxing. So there's more people started.

That's November 25th, by the way. So you can see how their lives cross. That's like the lowest point in Duran's life, this No Mas shit. So this is his lowest point, November 25th, 1980. But Esteban is a mess right now. He's out doing drugs. He's out away from his kids. He goes for days at a time, even more

now. And on November 27th, 1980, it's Thanksgiving Day. Two days after the No Mas fight. They started boxing the same year. Fought their fights together, had all these trilogies. They come together at this point to where no Moss is the lowest point for Duran. And now two days later, Esteban shoots himself up with a bunch of cocaine that morning and leaves his house in his wife's station wagon. OK, because you shoot up a bunch of cocaine.

You want to drive a station wagon through the streets. I do. Anyway, it should be required to have to shoot up to drive those fucking cars. Yeah, because that'll get them going. But he was super paranoid, super angry. Also, because he's so paranoid and so angry, he always carries around a loaded.25 caliber gun with him now at this point. So he takes off, shoots up, takes off. He's going to get more drugs.

Yeah. Because you got to have more. Fuck yeah. You know how it goes there. So he does that. He wanted to go make sure he had drugs because he had to spend the fucking day with his family, too, and he had to be high for that. Otherwise, he'd be lashing out at people and that sort of thing here. And what happens is he's in his station wagon.

There's a sports car driven by an 18-year-old construction worker named Roberto Cintron Gonzalez. Okay. Apparently, at some point, there was a near collision between the two cars. Apparently, this guy was whipping it out of lanes, or maybe DeJesus was. He's on a Coke-fueled mission, so who the fuck knows what happened here. Whatever happened, there was almost an accident. Okay. This causes an argument between them. They're yelling at each

other. They're doing all of this thing. As it does. As it does. Now, they're arguing at a stoplight back and forth, blah, blah, blah. Now, first of all, this kid's an 18-year-old construction worker. You guys have no idea who he's arguing with. This guy will fucking beat him with his own hands. Like, you don't want to fucking get in an

argument with this guy. This is why road rage is stupid. Yeah. Because you don't know when the lightweight champion of the world is in the car next to you arguing at you. You probably right now in your car have no idea who the lightweight champion of the world is. And he'll kick your fucking ass. And he will fuck you up.

If you're 230 pounds, he will beat your ass. Have you ever seen their surveillance video? And you've seen this because you grew up in Phoenix of Michael Carbajal, who is like a 105-pound fighter. He's like 5'7", maybe 5'6". He's 105 pounds. He's a little tiny guy, maybe 110, but he was a champ. And it's in a gas station in Phoenix. Somebody starts shit with him, and it's a normal-sized, bigger guy.

And he hits him about 30 times in two seconds. Before the guy can say Michael Carbajal. And this guy drops to the fucking ground. And you're like, he had no idea that this little tiny Mexican dude that weighs 100 pounds would whoop his ass so thoroughly and embarrassingly. He just skillfully knows how to throw hands. And have it shown on the local news repeatedly. So don't fuck with people on the road.

So anyway, they're arguing back and forth. The light changed. Basically, the sports car took off. Esteban drove up on the center on the median, on the dividing median. Oh, my God. And drove and gave chase to him. And they're both like zigzagging away. The other guy's riding away.

And Jesus. Jesus is chasing him. They go up and down the Trujillo Alta Expressway. Now, also, too, Gonzalez, the kid, he has two people with him, too. He's got two people. DeJesus is alone in his car. So they get to—there's a long chase. It's a fucking pretty goddamn lengthy chase through the streets.

It's like, you know— No cops see this shit. No, it's a chase scene in a movie. They get to a stoplight. Once they get to the stoplight, Esteban fires three shots out the window and hits Gonzalez, the driver, the construction worker, and drives off fast. Fuck. So he shoots off. He does this.

So he shoots him with a.25 caliber uh this guy dies three days later he dies from his fucking wounds uh they finally catch esteban yeah he says that he's so high he doesn't even remember he said he was so high that he has no fucking idea what he even did. Two witnesses said they positively identified DeJesus. He's one of the most famous people on the island. They picked him out of a lineup as another driver of another car did also. They released him

on a $115,000 bond. They set the trial for January 7th, 1981. He has a first-degree murder charge, two charges of attempted murder. Because there's two other people in the car. And a bunch of firearms violations. So $50,000 bail on the murder charge, $25,000 each on the attempted murder, $15,000 on the firearms.

$115,000 total. Jesus. For bail. So he gets out of there. Everybody was shocked. Yeah. For bail. So he gets out of there.

Everybody was shocked. Yeah. His family, only his family knew what bad shape he was in. Everybody else was like, that nice guy? What the fuck is going on? He was unhinged. Yeah. Harold Letterman, the boxing guy, the boxing commentator, said, quote, he said, it's equivalent to finding out that Miguel Cotto was a drug addict and had killed someone.

Like, just this nice guy that everybody Cotto was a drug addict and had killed someone. Like, just this nice guy that everybody liked and was considered, like, a professional guy. And what the fuck, man? Did Miguel Cotto kill somebody and have a drug problem? He did not kill someone or have a drug problem. He was a fine, upstanding citizen. So January 16th, 81, he's ordered to stand trial on charges of first-degree murder for this. Yeah, they found probable cause against him in a preliminary hearing uh and she also you know said the two the lesser charges

also they set an arraignment for january 27th 7th and the trial is set to go in february so he is sitting now uh awaiting trial uh like i said uh gonzalez dies uh three days after from his injuries. Wow. I mean, this is like speeding and speeding and speeding and speeding. And you've hit a fucking brick wall. Yeah. And now you're sitting there and you hear like shit dripping. You know what I mean? After an accident, there's like weird dripping noises and your engine's doing things.

And you're like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah. That has to be how he feels like. Because he went on this years of fighting and women and cocaine and speedballs and fucking this and that. And everything's going so great. Yeah. And culminates in this whole big fucking thing.

And I'm not going to blame it. I'm not going to blame him, but he really started doing drugs so much more when he named his son Junior. I'm just going to say that's actually when it went downhill. It's really when it went downhill. So, I mean, he's fucking sitting there just, I mean, imagine his family, too. I can't imagine. You've been knowing this was going to fucking happen.

You've been knowing this was going to happen, you know? So he's out. He bails himself out. He gets out of jail. And fucking, I hope nobody let him drive home. You know what I mean? Don't let this guy drive, please. Did he take a license from you when that shit happened?

I would hope so. You would hope so. Well, then again, it wasn't a traffic infraction, but he was driving on the meeting. He was speeding. But yeah, so I mean, he's sitting there. He's walking through the streets, and he's in this bad neighborhood. He's like, this is a bad neighborhood, you know? And he sees everybody seems to be kissing one guy's ass, so he goes, maybe I'll talk

to that guy. And it's Estevez Jones. MMA fighter and 70s Blaxploitation film villain. And he says. Motherfucker. How is it you come to arrive here? Man, what the fuck is wrong with you, man? No, I ain't going to call you a cracker because you Puerto Rican and shit shit i'll tell you though see i don't like puerto ricans first of all man

i don't play that shit you puerto rican's you bumping that fucking music i'll play my neighborhood full of motherfucking puerto ricans i never like none of them motherfuckers i like them girls they got fat asses i'm off i'll take them girls i'll sell them you bet your motherfucking ass i'll sell me a puerto rican girl but that's about it. Now you motherfucker, first of all, you're supposed to be selling this shit, not doing it. What the fuck is wrong with you? You enslaved the women in your neighborhood. That's how you become something. You're out there fighting,

shooting shit in your arms, man. What the fuck you doing? Stop being a punk-ass motherfucker. Use that as drugs for what they're made for, enslaving women and using them for your own financial gain, motherfucker. What's wrong with you? Shit.

Cracker motherfucker. Yeah, I did it. That's right. I called you a cracker. I said I wouldn't, but you're acting like it, so fuck it. This is why I don't like Puerto Ricans. Right here, motherfuckers. Poof.

In a puff of leopard print and gold chains, he's gone. He's out of there. And Esteban, he said, did I inject something and didn't realize it? Because I just saw something crazy. Somebody's told me to enslave bitches. I guess maybe I should have done that. Fuck. So May 14th, 1981 is the verdict on this. He is found guilty of murder.

Wow. Over this whole thing. And he is sentenced to life in prison what life he gets life in prison so he went from just like i said like he hit a brick wall man and just everything to life in prison like that wow that's crazy man that's what a mistake to make uh yeah so uh he's he's incensed the judge said quote unfortunately I am convinced of your guilt and finds him guilty of first-degree murder and says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life in prison. Life sentence.

Life in prison. In fucking Puerto Rico. In Puerto Rican prison. Wow. He's convicted. Man, it's bad here. It's also, in addition to that, separate sentences of five years and six months for the firearms violations as well.

Terrible, man. So DeJesus says in court about this. They ask him if he has anything to say, and we have it in their own words. In their own words, quote, I injected myself with cocaine. It hit me very hard. I felt the reaction very badly. Then I left

in my wife's car i didn't even know that i was killing someone my wife told me that i killed someone i feel very bad for what i did wow he had no fucking idea and i believe him honestly i don't think i don't think he had any idea what the fuck he was doing that's i mean you got him i mean i i think he was that out of it where i don't know if he was doing like that doing. In a race, though, like that? Like, chasing him? Yeah. And then you just instinctually grab a pistol? I don't know. I've never injected cocaine. I don't believe fuck that he's saying.

No, I've never injected cocaine, too, so I can't make a good judgment on this. I think he got in a road rage incident. I think he grabbed his pistol, let a few off, didn't expect to hit anybody and kill him. Probably not. And was quite surprised to find out somebody died from his actions. I would say. I think he's blown away. I think that he's shocked.

But to say he didn't know what he was doing. I don't know if he didn't know what he was doing. For him to say, I didn't know. I don't believe him. This is definitely like aberrant behavior, though, for him. He's never shot at anybody else. That's true. He doesn't attack people normally.

He's never had a physical attack on anybody or something like that. So this is brain damage plus cocaine. Yeah, that's a good point. Equals, I don't know what the fuck I was doing. I didn't take into account the brain damage, too. I've done a lot of 12 and 15 round fights, so I'm not sure. Maybe that's why. I didn't take that part into account.

You might be right. He may just have no fucking clue. He might be a mess. So let's find out how prison worked out for him. His Manny Siaka, the old trainer, said, quote, he was just a great boxer and a great human being. The only problem was the drugs. They ate up his life.

Yeah. Esteban says about this whole thing, quote, you start with friends and you start first with friends and you get so wrapped up with the drugs that before you know it, you're hooked. They take you to parties and you start using stuff. And the worst part is you open your eyes and you're addicted, like he said before. He repeated himself later.

While in prison, he finds God. Oh, boy. There's crime and sports rule. He's a junior. He's moved back home. He's finding God. He's already killed people, so it doesn't matter. He's already broken the worst rules.

It's over. He becomes a born-again Christian and even becomes a minister in prison. It's over. He becomes a born-again Christian and even becomes a minister in prison. He tends to a small chapel, gives daily sermons to his fellow inmates. How do you – I get born again. I get that you're supposed to just say, oh, he's atoned. It's over.

Yeah. But how do you listen to a man tell you what the Bible says when you know he has had his mouth on a Puerto Rican hooker's asshole? Oh, without a doubt. He's done horrible things to so many women. He's had his nose in there sniffing coke out of it. Yeah, for sure. He's probably shared needles with them. No, sir. I don't want to hear anything about the shepherd from you.

Now, his – yeah, the shepherd. Now, a reporter said he believed that Esteban's religious conversion was genuine. Yeah. Still doing heroin, though, in jail sometimes. What? So, you know, you got to do that sometimes. Still doing some heroin.

Wow. Now, 1985 comes around. And this is a tough moment. This is another brick wall moment for Esteban. Okay. He learns that his brother Enrique, his drug partner since day one, his drug dog, has died of AIDS.

Has died of AIDS. Yeah, he's a little concerned because they've been sharing needles for years. He finds his brother had AIDS. He has himself tested by the prison officials and he is positive

for HIV. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Terrible. He continues. Now he's more depressed, too. He's still doing heroin. And he always shared, they shared tons of them. He said he shared needles with his brother, shared needles with tons of people. That's how his brother got it.

Yeah. No, it's fucking crazy, man. So now he's in prison. He's in prison. He has little chance of parole ever. So he said that the heroin... Fuck, if I was stuck in prison for life and I had HIV, I'd be doing heroin

too. Absolutely. Whatever I could get into my system here. Wow. I feel bad for his family. Oh my god. I feel so bad for his wife. Think about 1978. Yeah. Big star. He's a huge payday against Iran. Everything's going great. He's a big shot. Everybody likes him. Lots of respect. The kids look up to him. Two years later, he's a junkie in prison with HIV and a murderer and disgraced and they have no money. And what a fucking mess, man. His kids, his kids, Esteban Jr.

He's got a son walking around with the same goddamn name. With the same name for this whole fucking thing, man. And also, too, everybody looked up to him around there. There's kids that idolized him. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. You didn't think I was going there on that one. I fooled you.

But not nearly as bad as I feel for Esteban De Jesus, Presidente and Commercial Danny. I don't know what the fuck that is. It's in the Dominican Republic and it says warehousing. Great. He's the president of warehousing. He's into warehousing. Esteban DeJesus, a CMS teller at Loomis, which is a bank in the greater San Diego area.

And Esteban DeJesus, a six-year-old Colombian boy who needs your help over at Bridges of Hope International. They say, according to them, sponsoring a child is a personal way to show God's love to a child in need. For $25 a month, you'll help that child and their community to stand tall, free from poverty. And then later on, there's an update that says Esteban got sponsored. Yeah. And it says, quote, Esteban's grades have improved a whole point in Spanish and mathematics. Strong work, Esteban. Great. Good for you, Esteban.

25 bucks got him one point. Yeah. I thought you were going to say Esteban's grave. Esteban's in medical school now. No, I thought you were going to say his grave is located out. His grave is located. Poor guy. Giving us his plot location.

Jesus Christ, that's terrible. Because he didn't get sponsored. No, no. So he did get sponsored there. So, by the way, HIV in Puerto Rico at this point, not great. It was pretty much four times the death rate there was four times that of the U.S. with HIV there. So not too terrific there. 1988, he's showing increased symptoms.

He stopped doing the sermons. He would forget passages from the Bible. Now he's got brain damage and AIDS, so he's not doing great. This is full-blown AIDS at this point. Yeah, he'd be lucid a lot of times times but then he would get emotional for no reason uh he would laugh for no reason or cry cry for no reason just out of nowhere i mean if you got aids yeah and in no no it would just be like i'd just cry all day long but it would be like at something that wasn't you know be like hey man your pop tarts ready and he'd start crying like that's not a fucking reason.

Like, that's a weird thing to cry at, you know, shit like that. I don't know if they have Pop-Tarts. He was down below beneath one hundred and fifteen pounds by this point. Yeah. Lesions you could see on him. He would be delusional and would be mad because he waited for hours because he thought his wife and his kids were visiting on days that he what they weren't visiting. Wow. That sort of thing. Or other people, friends of his, he thought were were visiting on days that they weren't visiting. Wow. That sort of thing.

Or other people, friends of his he thought were supposed to be coming that didn't come. Fuck. It was really, really difficult, man. He was extremely ill. Things were going well, or not well for him. Right. He said, quote, this is by February of 89. That was really heartless, James.

What? He's really ill. Things are going well. Things are going well. I meant to say things are going not well. He says, quote, the doctors tell me that I have anywhere from one to four years to live, but I hope God

will support me longer. This poor guy, man. 1989, he's fighting to have his sentence commuted to die not in prison. March 30th, 1989, Puerto Rican Governor Rafael Hernandez Colon granted immediate parole eligibility for DeJesus to be on the condition that he's transferred to the faith home of the Americas where AIDS patients are treated. He can't even move.

It's not a parole. No. It's a mercy parole to die somewhere with dignity. And the governor said it was compassionate and also practical because it would be really hard to keep him in the prison hospital. And it's fucking expensive. And that was the other thing he said. And it would be, you know, whatever.

So they said he couldn't fake the symptoms. They knew he was sick, basically. Can't fake the symptoms. We have a positive AIDS test. Jesus. He said, oh, God, man. The reporter that came to him, the Garcia guy, said, quote, when I visited him, he was already skinny, really skinny. His skin was wasted.

He was maybe 115 pounds. And two or three months after that, who knows? So it's terrible here. Now, you have to remember, by the way, that this is the time, this is in the 80s, and this is also in Puerto Rico. And it was like that here, never mind there you had aids it wasn't okay yeah that it was people would say you were gay yeah that was the thing and that was not okay back then it wasn't like now you're like oh shit poor guy that was like oh that was considered a dirty scummy and even he wanted people to know that he got aids with needles and not through fucking he

wanted everyone to know hey i'm not gay because back then back there but it was seriously considered such a fucking people were so touchy about that and i know that for a fact my friend rod beck the baseball player he was one of the san francisco giants have until there's a cure day and it's a day about this about you know trying to help AIDS and all that sort of thing, AIDS research. He was one of the people that started that, that pushed to start it in 1993 because he felt fucking terrible for kids that had AIDS that were treated like shit. And he felt like nobody would get behind them.

I talked to him about this for hours. He felt like nobody would get behind these kids because they didn't want to be, you don't want to be down for a gay cause if you're an athlete back then. So he said, I didn't give a fuck. He goes, I didn't care. And there's pictures of him with these kids and he's holding them. He goes, I'll pick these little kids with AIDS up. I don't give a shit.

Kiss them right on the cheek. He goes, you want to call me gay? Call me fucking gay. I don't care. I'm helping kids. Like, he didn't give a shit. But, I mean, it took a lot. And especially in Puerto Rico, there's a machismo thing there.

Sure. You really don't want to be gay. Right. It's a totally different thing. People came to see him. Orlando Cepeda came to see him. People like that, very famous people from the island. The biggest thing that happened, though, is when he hears about it, Roberto Duran comes to see him. Roberto Duran feels terrible. He said he was, you know, that was his rivalry. The guys that have a rivalry like that are connected. They have a real connection. Yeah. He said he put all the fear aside.

He took his wife and his kids there, and he made a big fucking spectacle of doing this. And this was a really fucking man, really ballsy, great, fucking awesome move that Roberto Duran did. For all the cameras so everybody could see he picked him up off the bed and hugged him and kissed him on the face wow to show everybody this isn't this is a human being right and still a person it's a person and you can you don't act like he's a he's a fucking disease like that and it was really awesome that he did that and it's a huge deal this picture is much you can still just duran de jesus kiss broken right now it's pop right up it's such a famous thing de jesus looks like unemaciated to nothing and duran's

like hefty and he's just picking him up holding him in his arms and giving him a kiss and it's the saddest fucking thing ever but you really really respect roberto duran for that uh roberto duran said quote when i see him there so thin my tears run out because he used to be a muscular guy. I start crying and hug him and I kiss him and I tell my daughters to kiss him. So he's telling everybody and he wants pictures of it for everybody because he wants it to be there. He said that shit in Spanish, though, because that was so broken. That was very broken. It's beautiful, though.

Yeah, it is. It is. Oh, it's good for him, man. What a nice guy here. That was very broken. It's beautiful, though. Yeah, it is. It is. Oh, it's good for him, man.

What a nice guy here. April 22nd, 1989, he's in an abandoned milk factory that's been converted into a rehab center for drug addicts. And he's in a room with 17 other guys, all AIDS-infected former drug addicts. He gets free treatment and all that sort of thing, but it's tough for him, man. He's down to 90 pounds by this point. He looks like they just sprung him from Auschwitz. It's horrible.

A person there said, one of the residents there said, quote, you look into his eyes and you see sorrow. Terrible. May 12, 1989, Esteban dies of AIDS finally, mercifully. He dies of AIDS here. So that's tough there. After his death, it's the Virouet guy who was pissed off about the Don King payoff. He says that DeJesus was a family man and a beautiful soul.

And he says he still sees Victor, one of DeJesus' older brothers in the Bronx where they live. Really? Yeah, this was like 10 years ago, this was. Chu Garcia, the writer that we talked about, said, quote, he was a great husband, a great brother, a great son, a great father, and a great friend. But unfortunately, he had that problem. Yeah. And he did. The drug problem.

The drug problem. He was really great at it, though. He was great at it, just like boxing. Can't get enough like he couldn't get enough of cocaine and heroin? Go to JoeSportsInc for a signed photo of him. It's a promotional photo of DeJesus in a fight pose. Yeah. Signed.

It's signed to somebody. Oh. It's old as shit. I mean, died in 89. It's signed, quote, to Netor, N-E-T-T-U-R-E, a future champ, Esteban DeJesus. There's a little bit of AIDS on it. A little bit of AIDS juice on that, so you want to watch out. $285 for that little bad boy.

Yeah, of course. You can't get another one. No. He's got rare AIDS juice. Oof, man. That's the best AIDS juice. It's AIDS and cocaine, so that's going to cost you, too. Also, heavyweightcollectibles.com, Roberto Duran and Esteban De Jesus photo.

Cool. It's a cool, it's not signed. It's a cool photo. They're standing, like, at a podium press conference thing, and Esteban's smiling, and he's got his right hand up, like, his fist to Duran's chin, and Duran's, like, got, like, his tongue out and his eyes rolled back, like, oh, you got me. Oh, that's nice. And there's a thick smiling Puerto Rican girl

standing between them. Right between them, laughing and happy. Like, oh, this is so much fun. It's great. She had no idea about the AIDS. She knew about that. She wouldn't have been so fucking happy. Or so goddamn close. Or so goddamn close. She would have been three steps back. That is Esteban

DeJesus. Wow. Holy shit. That is a crazy goddamn story. What a story. That's a wild story, man, from start to finish. I'm blown away. Yeah. It's crazy, dude. Last week, we had Jake kind of recovering from that, and then this week, I would show

the opposite side of it. A complete fucking downhill. Downhill, and this is what could have happened to Jake. Who knows? This could have happened to anybody. Could have gotten AIDS, Jake. This is a thing. Shit.

If you like this story, I don't know. Get on This could have happened to anybody. Could have gotten AIDS, Jake. This is the thing. Shit, if you like this story, I don't know, get on iTunes. We could do that. Don't get AIDS from needles. Don't do that. But do get on iTunes. Give us five stars. It would help us a ton on the business end, so please do that. Just say you're following instructions, following directions. If you want to be an even bigger superstar, a wonderful superstar, you can do that

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It does, man. You can also go over to crimeinsports.threadless.com. By the way, new black shirts. Yes. Black shirts with white writing. We've been working on doing that. Finally, black shirts. Get all everything will be available in black as well.

So please do that. Get your you, sir. May fuck off for your yay or get whatever the hell you want. Do all of that over there. If you want to get a hold of the show, you can do that in several ways. Instagram and Twitter. You can do at crime and sports crime and sports at Gmail dot com. Facebook dot com slash crime and sports. There you go. We're goddamn everywhere where there is crime and Twitter. You can do at Crime and Sports, crimeandsports at gmail.com, facebook.com slash crimeandsports. There you go.

We're goddamn everywhere where there is Crime and Sports. That said, never mind all that garbage. By the way, live shows, don't forget that. Yes. The links are in the show description. But besides all that, let's get to the important part, the superstar producers that make this show work. Jimmy, why don't you hit us with those right now? producers that make this show work.

Jimmy, why don't you hit us with those right now? Unbelievably, every week, Chrissy Ann Costaldi, Jess Landrum, and Sarah Gilbo are fantastic people. You guys are so sweet, and we really appreciate you. Thank you very much. Andrea Ramey, Mitchell Bowler, Joshua Cobb, Autumn Allen, Jeanette

Klum. No, that is not Klum. God damn, I'm a child and can't write. Num, is that a K-N-C-M? No, it's not. I don't know what I did. K-N-C-M is not clum. God damn, I'm a child and can't write num. Is that a K-N-C-M? No, it's not. I don't know what I did. K-N-C-M is not a last name. No, it's not. I don't know what I did to Jeanette's last name.

I don't know what country that would be from. There's no way I can pronounce that. Everyone has at least one vowel, don't they? Is it H-U-L-M? H-O-L-M. Home. That's Jeanette Holm. That's who that is.

Home. That makes much more sense. Unbelievable. Crette home. That's who that is. Much more sense. Unbelievable. Derek Hellenberg, uh, Ted Cyrus, Brandon Shaw, Sarah Martin,

Stacey Huffaker, James Cook times two this week. Thank you, man. You're an amazing dude. Uh, Robert die. The hypnotic librarian.

I'm not sure what that is. Google that. Uh, I hope, I hope it's a business. I'm not, I'm not sure at all. Hannah Risley,

uh, Matthew Madigan. I hope so. That'd be amazing'm not sure at all. Hannah Risley. It's a rap name. Matthew Madigan. I hope so. That'd be amazing. Motherfucking hypnotic librarian. What's up? That's what it is. He's a terrible rapper, though.

Teresa Shushanflug. He just says what's up over and over again. It's his constant what's up. I love the Shushanflug name because we knew that was going to kill you. Sarah actually saw that and went, I love it when Jimmy has to pronounce this one. Is it PF? Is that flug? Or is it plug? Is that plug?

I got shushin. Shushin plug. Fuck it. Adrian Overall, Jessica Chase, Katie Heisel, thank you so much. Thank you, Katie, for your charts and your graphs and your help and your donations. She sends us donations and time between the shit that she makes. Thank you. You're the best, Katie. And we'll see you this April.

Thank you so much. Sherry Holland, Luke Haronsky. Haronsky. Karonsky. Karonsky. Shit. Tristan Stevenson. Kathleen Thill.

Thank you, Kathleen, for being a part of this every goddamn week. Yeah, Kathleen, always. We love you. Melissa Neufeld. Jane Richards. Claudia Schertl. Timothy Young. Jacob the Zookeeper sends me snaps of like, the dude's a zookeeper

and he gives me like close-ups of the bears' fucking faces. I thought you... No, no, no. Before you had the close-ups, like the bears' fucking, it's awesome. Why would you want pictures of the bears' fucking... Right in its face. It's like the best. That's awesome.

It's fucking incredible. I don't even have to throw them zag nuts. Right outdoors again. Tara Hayes, you're fantastic. Thank you. Thank you so much. Fucking incredible. That's cool. I don't even have to throw him Zagnuts. Great outdoors again, baby. Tara Hayes, you're fantastic. Thank you. Thank you so much. What an unbelievably kind gesture.

Thank you so much. Emily Allen, Nathan Nolte, I don't know. I hope that's a relative of Nick. I really want that. I don't know why. Nick's such a great, I love that man so much. He's hilarious. He's fantastic, and I want his family listening to this. Jesus Christ. That's hilarious. He's fantastic and I want his family to listen to him. Jesus Christ.

That's all he does. He grunts in every movie and then curses through it. It's a Patton Oswalt joke of Nick Nolte playing Han Solo. What? It was a joke of Patton Oswalt's old stand-up with Nick Nolte playing Han Solo. I've been like,

Christ, Luke, to God, Jesus fucking goddamn Wookiees in the fuck, ah, Jesus, ah, Christ. That's fantastic. God damn it. Christopher Reed. I hope that's kid in play. Yeah, that's kid.

I want that to be in really bad. Come on, that would be great if it was kid. Yeah, fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, I love House Party. Leslie Root, June Johnson, Gretchen Oswald, Oswald, yeah, Gretchen Oswald, Lauren Odom, Shelby LeSeur, John Moody, Melissa Hoover, Keegan Bosch, Michelle Jolly. She's fantastic. Yeah, she's in Australia. She's so sweet.

Thank you. Brandon Warnie or Warn. I think it's Warn. He's in Minnesota. He does the Midwest Swing podcast. He donated this week. Thank you, Brandon. I appreciate it.

And then I guessed it on his show, too, if you want to take a listen. Anthony Elbert, Cora McBeth, Jennifer Brashears, Jessica Skinner, Mariah Menhir, Madeline Barry, Holly Hamilton, S. Wagner. There's no... It's probably Scott. Might be Stephen. Swagner. Yeah, it might

be Swalker. You never know. You never know. David Stanich, Alexia, Alexia Gordon, Gavin, no last name, Keegan Bowen, Might be Swacker. You never know. You never know. David Stanich. Alexia. Alexia Gordon. Gavin, no last name. Keegan Bowen. Bowen.

For sure Bowen. We'll go Bowen. Sam Lichtenstein. That was fucking impressive. Lichtenstein's a place, though. Can you clap for me? Fuck. You should. It's a place.

Really? I don't know what that place would be. Jesus, girl. We've got to get Jimmy a map. Maybe Sam's just from Lichtenstein. Maybe he's from Lichtenstein. Sam from Lichtenstein. Maybe.

Chris Reid again. Cody McCall. Molly, no last name. Amber Osteen. Leah Maddox. Stephanie Fisher. Jessica Hastio. Vicky Frederick.

Junior Mitchell Jr. Peeler Jr. Jr. Oh. Or Beeler. They listen. Yeah. Junior Mitchell Jr. Beeler Jr. Jr. So it's Mitchell Beeler. Right. Mitchell Beeler II. Possibly a junior. Right. jr oh or beeler they listen yeah they know the junior jr beeler jr jr that's mitchell beeler i'm right mitchell beeler the second possibly a junior at least once uh larry mosca mosca uh

nicole uh nicole ah fucking hell she donated twice to oh thanks nicole dina dina becks dina burks what the shit is that last name? Deanser. Deanser. I don't know why I put a B in it. There's no B in that name. Deanser. I don't know. I'm sorry, Nicole. Your last name's a fucking brutal one. When I sit here and watch him try to read the names,

it's great because it's like watching a child try to open a package that has those twist tie things and they don't know they're there and they just keep trying to pull it and they're just like so confused. That's what Jimmy's doing. He doesn't get it. You have to come in with scissors and go, hold on, clip, clip, and they go, oh, it's Danes. Oh, the Iceland.

Okay, I see. Trevor Corey, Camilla Herrera, Megan McMahon, Hannah Risley, Melanie Harrison, Jake LaBeer, Tracy Kelly Van Dyke, Wilnia Merced, Amanda Howell, Lizzie Goldstein, Bliss Bednar, I think that's right, Mandy McMaster, Jill Roth, Lisa Copeland, Nicole Redshaw, AJ Vera, God, how am I fucking so stupid? Lindsey Zimmerman. Judith Keel. Jenny Walker. Miriam with no last name.

Leah, no, Lee. Lee Nemeth. Kathleen Snyder. Michelle Bowman. Where was I at over here? Nathan, fuck. Damn it, Nathan. Hibbit.

It's all your fault, Nathan. Nathan Hibbit. Lizzie Tebow. Jem Vasquez. Vicky Frederick. I already said that one, Alexia Malloy, Lisa Collins, Michelle Gerber-Anderson, Megan Waller,

Walker. God damn it. It's just... You got it on the comeback. That's alright. Megan Walker, Eden Finelli, Jordan and Brad Kading, Carolyn Jeffries, Amber Rachel, Angela Banks-Mason, Dylan Robertson, David Bouch, Erica Jones, William Hickson III, Nicole Davis.

I already said that one, but I'm saying it again. Chester Coffin, Lisa and Colin Young, Amanda Stamp, Alexa Trockelman. Fuck yeah. It's just Alex. God. Trockelman is the last name, and I fuck up Alex. Yeah, you missed the four-letter first name. Brandon Griffith, Zach Dubois, Ashley Collins, Daniel Rickles, Cody Spence, and Lindsey Greer.

You guys, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything. Thank you, guys. Amazing. I really appreciate you being such fucking amazing people, so thank you so much. Thank you, people, all of you, for your wondrousness and your fantasticness. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys, for keeping this going and for making this show worth getting out of bed in the morning. Thank you very much for doing that, guys.

And, Jimmy, what if one of these fine people not only wanted to help us but wanted to maybe talk to a guy like you? How would they do that? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Find me and play along. I appreciate you guys. Definitely. And you can find me at JimmyPIsFunny, or you can copy and paste my name from the show description and do it that way because it's a little easier because it's long and there's an I in there.

It is. Do that. It's a mess. Do that, guys. And keep coming back next week and seeing us more. We had a great time. Wild story. More next week.

Live show. Wow. Boston. Do that. See you guys Thursday. Definitely. Friday. detroit friday and sunday and sunday see you there see you there live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week bye A web support.