Crime in Sports - #107 - A Founding Father Of Crack - The Fortunateness of Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson

Episode Date: February 26, 2018

This week, we wander down a trail lined with craziness, and cocaine! A brash, big talking, talented guy throws it all away by becoming one of the most enthusiastic crackheads in the entire country. As he put it, he "went from the penthouse to the crackhouse"! His major crime was horrible, and it involved sex, a gun, cocaine, and an underage quadriplegic!! It's that kind of story!!Ruin your career with partying, be late to practice because you were out with pop stars, and be at the forefront of the cocaine smoking movement with Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at...patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows...Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!!!Los AngelesSan DiegoSacramentoSan FranciscoPortlandSeattleChicagoPhiladelphiaNew YorkNashvilleContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And we have a crazy-ass story today. This is one of the wilder stories. And we have a crazy-ass story today. This is one of the wilder stories. This is one of those stories that from start to finish, because some of them it's like they have a crazy beginning, and then they calm down a little bit, and nothing else interesting happens. But once in a while you'll get like the crazy from start to finish where the end of their life is nuts to like a Spinner Spencer or like a couple of guys at Valero. Or a shocking one where they fucking roll their truck on the express line.

Where their truck lands on top of them. Things like that. Or we have just like, and then they haven. Where their truck lands on top of them. Things like that. Or we have, they're just like, and then they haven't really done anything for like a few years. We have that. This story is just interesting. This is like you don't even believe it's true when you read this story. And when you read about it, you're like, this guy didn't exist. This is a movie character.

This is ridiculous. And it's so much fun. So let's get right into it because it's wild. Quick update that Ray Carruth is trying to get goddamn custody of Puddinghead. You turned him into a pudding child and now you want him? And now you want to raise him? No. He's already raised.

Let him be. He is fine. Leave that kid alone. Oh, Jesus. You don't get to shoot at someone and then get custody of them. No. That's not okay. No.

Or hire someone to shoot at them. You don't get to do any of that. No custody of them. No. That's not okay. No. Or hire someone to shoot. You don't get to do any of that. So Ray Carruth, episode one. Right. That is, if you want to go back. The very first. If you want to go back and listen to us try to figure out how to do a podcast. We didn't know what we were doing, but I think it was still pretty funny.

I wish we would have saved him for later, but it was a great one. Him, yeah. There's a few I wish. That's the other thing, too. And you tweeted us your opinion on this. I've thought about this because back then, I I tried to keep it under 45 minutes right that was like let's do this so people can listen during the lunch break like try to do that and let's not bog them down with us there's so much more to a lot of those stories like our first 15 20 stories there's so much more so there's a couple of them if you guys would like to hear them in long form and like a redo

let us know about that because we might do that as like a bonus or something. We could do Ray Carruth live. We could do Ray Carruth or Lawrence Phillips or Jason Williams. Something we didn't know about and do all that shit live. That'd be so much fun. But let's get into this crazy person for the week because it's crazy, crazy, crazy time. It is Thomas Edward or Wayne. He has two middle names?

There is multiple sources and all of them have one or the other, so I have no idea. None of them have both, though. No, so we're going to call him Thomas Edward Wayne Henderson, because we have no idea what the hell his middle name is. Who knows? All right. So it's Thomas something Henderson. Got it.

Better known as Hollywood Henderson. Got it. The NFL player. Right. This is Hollywood. It's not exactly Vampire Gigolo or Gorilla Pimp. It's pretty solid. We'll take it. We'll Got it. The NFL player. This is Hollywood. It's not exactly Vampire Gigolo or Gorilla Pimp, but we'll take it. We'll take it. We'll take it. It's better

than some of the shit we've encountered, so it's fine. Yes, Thomas Henderson here. Hollywood, though. That's a good nickname. It's Hollywood Henderson right there. And this guy, goddammit, what an entertainer he is. He did it his whole life, and then he keeps giving because now we can do this to him, too.

Born March 1st, 1953 down in Austin, Texas. Yeah. Grows up in East Austin, Texas, which apparently back then in the 50s and 60s was a really shitty neighborhood. Okay. Terrible. Austin now seems to be pretty much all gentrified. Yeah. Like even houses where you're like, ooh, this looks like a bad neighborhood.

It's like, no, no, no. Actually, these houses are $700,000 actually. It's like living in LA. That's what Austin feels like. But that's like a, I don't know, like a 1,200-square-foot lot with an 800-square-foot house on it. They're like, yeah, yeah, 1.25 million. Yeah, that's what we're like, what the hell are you talking about? That seems right.

That seems completely affordable. But back then, apparently, Austin was not, I don't know, South by Southwest hadn't made it down there yet. South by Southwest hadn't fixed everything and reset a thing? No, the arts hadn't really reached there yet. No, no. So it's a shit neighborhood. So bad.

And his friends as a child, in addition, he had like normal friends he played sports with, friends as a child. In addition, he had normal friends he played sports with, but he befriended street corner prostitutes and shot dice with homeless men and frequented... Wow, I can't make this up. This is what I mean. Everything in this story is like, I wish...

I couldn't have made this up better. He frequented a market known as Greasy Dicks. Oh, boy. Greasy Dicks Market, where he shot dice with homeless people and befriended street corner prostitutes. That's exactly where you find prostitutes, though. That's the funny thing is that that sounds like exactly what you do at a place called

Greasy Dicks. Jesus. And then he snuck into a pool hall all the time where he learned to hustle pool games because he is a hustler, this guy, and he hustles everything. He hustles everybody. Grows up very poor. And I love his descriptions of everything are fantastic. He's a talker, and he's a well that never dries up for quotes,

which is our favorite when we get a guy who we barely have to tell the story. Just let him quote things. Let him tell the story because he's going to do it much better. We'll hear how crazy he is. We'll hear everything about him in that. He describes his childhood as, quote, My family was very, very, very poor, like no toilet paper poor. That's as well as you can describe poor right there.

That's a picture. That's a lot of varies. Yeah. You picture just shitty hands is a pretty fucking obvious. That's a picture that paints a thousand. It's worth a thousand words, we'll say, that one picture. I hope you washed up for supper, sir. Like no toilet paper pour.

That's crazy. Those four words paint a picture. You don't need a thousand for that one. You can paint a picture in very little time. Now, he grows up in a shit household. His mother and his stepfather are constantly, constantly fighting, always fighting, just always, physical fights, verbal fights. And then he witnesses, this will teach you to take no shit anyway.

He witnesses, they lived at 17th Street and Chican Road, I guess, and his mother on the front porch, mind you, of their home. Now, this isn't behind closed doors. This is everybody watch on the front porch. She shot his stepfather in the side with a.22 rifle on the front porch. Let's go outside and talk. Yeah, exactly. And they shot him out there. She said, hold on the front porch. Let's go outside and talk. Yeah, exactly. And let's shot him out there. He said, hold on a second now.

That's a Texas divorce. I like it. Or a Mississippi marriage, as we've said before. That's fucking great. That's fantastic. Unbelievable, man. I just got a new drywall. That's crazy.

We're going outside. Let's go. Yeah. I just refinished the living room. We will not have this argument in here. Just repainted it. I'm a lousy shot. So on the porch, motherfucker.

Let's do this. So that gave him a- Did we find out what it was over? Oh, just a regular fight. He didn't take out the trash. Let's chat. He's abusive. She had enough.

Yeah. And so she shot him. There you go. So that's what happens. Stop being an abusive asshole. You won't get shot on your front steps, I guess. She had enough. Yeah. And so she shot him. There you go. That's what happens. Stop being an abusive asshole. You won't get shot on your front steps, I guess. I like it. He credits.

He's a football player, by the way, people out there, NFL player from the 70s. One of the most entertaining times of any sports era. And this guy was like one of the most entertaining guys. We will post a ton of pictures from this because from the live show, I have so many pictures of crazy shit that this guy did. So we'll post a lot of pictures and you can kind of follow along with the pictures. Get a real feel of what this guy did. Yeah.

As a matter of fact, I will post the pictures in order of the story like we did for the live show. So if you want, you can click through a Twitter post or a Facebook post and click through all the pictures as you listen. So that'll be kind of cool, actually. So anyway, that's a huge pain in the ass, but I think I'm going to do it anyway. I will do it. I will do it.

Or I'll make Sarah do it. One of the two. She might end up doing it, but someone's going to fucking do it. He is convinced that there's a big hill next to his house, like a grating, a big sloping hill, and him and his friends would sprint up and down, back and forth, over and over again. And he says that the constant running up this hill is what strengthens his legs to be a professional football player. Yeah.

Which, sure, that's a pretty good base for exercise. You're running stadium suicides, fuckface. Yeah, that and genetics also, because there's a lot of people that could do that for 10 years and they'd still be skinny shits and they wouldn't have any strength in anywhere. But they'd have good cardio. You bet. Yeah, that and genetics also because there's a lot of people that could do that for 10 years and they'd still be skinny shits and they wouldn't have any strength in anywhere. But they'd have good cardio. You bet. But he was strong.

He begins drinking and doing drugs in junior high. Yeah. So, I mean, that's the kind of story we have here. And it escalates from here. We'll put it that way. He doesn't like kind of just level out. No. No, no, no.

This is just a decade and a half of escalation. It's fucking amazing. So this is 1967. He's doing drugs, and he goes to Anderson High in Austin. It's his L.C. Anderson High School. He plays for the B team in his freshman year. He plays a little bit in his sophomore year, but then things at home are so bad. You know, mom shooting dad out on the porch and things like that.

You know, that's an unstable environment. That'll take your mind off the playbook for a week or two. And your book. So why don't you have your homework? Well, I had to fill out a police report because my mom shot my stepdad on the front steps I was cleaning the rifle. Yeah, I had to clean the rifle afterwards report because my mom shot my stepdad on the front side of her house. I was cleaning the rifle. Yeah, I had to clean the rifle afterwards. He comes in like Henry Hill.

She comes in. Gave me a gun to hide. So, yeah, bloody gun handed. So they're all doing that. He's getting drunk. He ends up moving to Oklahoma City to live with his grandmother because she's a little bit more stable. She hasn't shot anybody recently. So it's a good place to live. So he plays for Douglas High in Oklahoma,

where he, as a senior, he earns all city honors playing defensive end. He's not recruited much by other colleges because he didn't play a lot because he had to take a year off with the transfer. So basically he just got to play his senior year. So it's a small high school, and colleges didn't get to see him that much. Maybe they heard, maybe he might be a smidge damaged on account his mom shot his dad. Yeah, no shit. But then again, back then, that's just kind of, that's sort of just country.

You know what I mean? That's normal. You know, I feel like that just happens sometimes. Well, there's guns around a lot, obviously. So this is what happens here. So anyway, so he's all a lot, obviously, so this is what happens here. So anyway, so he's all city there, the whole deal. Also, by now, he's already even shot up heroin.

He's already tried heroin. That's how deep he's gotten into this, by high school. By 1969, he does that. He's also a hard worker, too. He works hard in football. he gets a job in his senior year playing he's playing football he gets a job even later on when he's in college he'll go and work in offshore oil rigs off louisiana uh for the summer and shit like that like uh you don't see a lot of you know uh college athletes major college athletes working the oil rigs in the

off season manziel didn't go down and work an oil rig? It's odd, right? You don't think a guy's like, I'm sorry. They interview him after the Rose Bowl. He's like, man, it was a great victory for myself, my team, my community, all the alumni. I'd like to thank everybody for the support. But I really got to get going because I got to catch a greyhound down to the Mississippi Delta because I got an oil rig to be on at 5 a.m. Thanks a lot, guys.

Have a good one. I really want to thank BP for giving me a job. Thanks, guys. That doesn't happen often, usually. So, yeah, not to him. But to him on at 5 a.m. Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good one. I really want to thank BP for giving me a job. Yeah, thanks, guys. That doesn't happen often, usually. So, yeah, not to him, but to him, he did it. That's great. He says he smoked pot a lot in high school. Later on, he'll say that, you know,

he also shot a parowin and things like that. But when he came out, he said he smoked pot and then he goes to Langston College. Langston College is a small black college. People who went there, other athletes. One other guy that I knew is the person I'm so aware of because he's the only black guy named Chad. Chad Johnson.

We said there's no black guys named Chad. Oh, boy, are there. My whole Twitter feed was filled with pictures of Chad Johnson. We're like, thanks. Yes, him. Okay. All right, we got it. You get my point.

He's the only one. Yes, him. Okay. All right, we got it. You get my point. He's the only one. So, fine. We literally had, I literally had a lady send me a picture of her cousin who was a black guy named Chad. Really? She was like,

this is my cousin. His name's Chad. I'm like, I don't fucking know him. There's no way I can know him. And then Pimp C also from UGK. Oh, there you go. I mean, it's hard to, it's hard to dig that one out

when he doesn't even go by Chad. No, and I can't, I can't count her cousin in the census. I don't know this person. Is he famous? How the hell am I supposed to know? How am I supposed to look up the phone book and then cross-reference Facebook and look up? Okay, there he is.

All right. If I put in the search on Facebook, Black's name Chad, am I now on a list somewhere for, like, KKK members? Probably. If I ever have, like like some kind of brain damage and decide to rap at all, my rap name is going to be Black Chad. 100% Black Chad. Because I am neither black

nor Chad. That's amazing. Now he talks about at this point, he would sell a little weed at college for pocket money. What are you going to do? You can't work on the rigs while you're playing football. There's no oil rigs on the 50-yard line. Not at all.

And let's get it in their own words on this, what he says about this whole thing. In their own words, quote, we'd go over to Stillwater to get the pot, which I love. It sounds like, hey, we got the pot. See? Smoking jazz cigarettes around the corner. Everybody come on. Quote, a lot of guys supplemented their incomes by selling. The big thing at Langston was drinking wine, smoking pot, and occasional acid trips.

Yeah. So that sounds great. Sounds great. I want to go to Langston College. Sounds awesome. I am signing up for black college, everybody. I'm going to a black college to do that. I didn't know that acid was popular with black guys.

I didn't know that. It was 1971. That was popular with everybody. That was popular with everybody, yeah, in know 1971 that was popular with everybody everybody and yeah in the early 70s racial lines yeah even oklahoma even oklahoma they were like i mean that's if we don't smoke marijuana we do do acid though that's the other thing i could if there's anywhere that needs it it's oklahoma yeah you guys need some imagination take some acid so uh uh he graduates college. Yeah.

And or graduates high school before even going to college. He graduates high school and immediately joins the Air Force. Oh, boy. Because, you know, he wants to be a so he wants to go out and be tough. Be tough. Yeah. And quits before he decides rather than Vietnam, I'm going to go to college. How's that sound?

Yeah. I think I'll go there. Quits before signed in. Sworn in. Yeah, sworn in. That's amazing. He's like, change my mind. Yeah. Yep. Going to college instead. How about sound? Yeah. I think I'll go there. Quits before signed in. Sworn in. Yeah, sworn in. That's amazing. He's like, change my mind. Yep, going to college instead. How about no? Yeah, no. So, like I said, he's at Langston College. He's a walk-on there. Langston is

an NAIA university, which is like the lower tier, you know, Division 3 shit heap. You know, they play in like a parking lot with broken glass on the ground. Don't fall, anybody. Everybody, don't tackle, please. Just push them out of bounds. Two-hand and push.

Big pebbles. We didn't have time to sweep it. Very sharp pebbles around here. Broken glass. But we had a homeless fight right before the game, and we didn't get a chance to clean it. We didn't have time to run a street sweeper. Sorry. So his personality here, he's a very crazy guy.

His teammates call him the wild man yeah uh but he's also a badass because he's playing in a small college and athletically he's well above a small college pace uh he is a two-time small college all-american at defensive end as a senior he's named uh southwest district player of the defensive player of the year wow and he also did track and field jesus so not too shabby he's he's that's what i mean this is while he's selling weed he's doing acid drinking wine having a good time but he's still so athletically gifted that it doesn't matter he's doing all this everything and be dominant in all of it totally uh he calls himself in college the mouth of the mouth of the south which i'm sorry yeah you might have a big mouth but you are not

jimmy hart sir and i apologize for that uh man that was the best by the way during the live show the South, which I'm sorry, you might have a big mouth, but you are not Jimmy Hart, sir, and I apologize for that. Man, that was the best, by the way. During the live show, I got to put up a picture. This is the mouth of the South, and that was probably the loudest cheer of the night, oddly enough, from a bunch of college girls and shit like that, who I wouldn't think knew who Jimmy Hart was. A couple of girls that were proclaiming themselves the Jews of the room.

Oh, I love the Jews. Hi, Jews from Boston. We love you guys. So anyway, he's the Jews of the room. Oh, I love the Jews. Hi, Jews from Boston. We love you guys. So anyway, he's the mouth of the South here. He's the Southwest District Player of the Year. And even though he goes to a small university, his athleticism puts him on the map of some NFL teams for the draft. And they're looking to draft him. But he's the type of guy they don't know when he's going to go because he's a small college guy. They're going to take

all the big guys first. He might drift into the second or third round, they're thinking. Now, 1975 NFL draft is when he comes out. This is funny just to see the names and the people on it. 75 is another. That's another time. That's 40 years ago.

I was not born yet. Me neither. That is 40 years ago. It's so fucking long ago. More than that. It's 43 years. I was not born yet. Me neither. That is 40 years ago. So fucking long ago. More than that. It's 43 years ago at this point. 43 years. Fucking nuts. My mom was 15 years old.

That's crazy. My mom couldn't even drive a car legally. Think about that. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. My dad was in high school. And it's like, that's so weird. It's very, very odd.

But this is January 28th, 1975 at the Hilton at the Rockefeller Center in New York City. You bet. So we're doing down there. I guess it's Rockefeller Center. Yeah. You can see a tree and the draft back then. This was the old school draft. This isn't now.

If you watch the draft now, it's a production. There's fans there. There's like seating and there's lights and things. The players are sitting in chairs with their families. Oh, music comes up. And there's 1,800 cameras. Back then, like if you watch the From Elway to Marino 30 for 30, where they show a lot of the NFL draft. And it was just a bunch of guys with football helmets sitting on their desk.

And they'd write down who they want on a piece of paper and give it to the commissioner. And then they'd read it. That was literally the draft. This was even before that. Jesus. This was like a bunch of guys sitting around a smoky conference room going, I'll take that kid from Oklahoma. Yeah, right.

And taking a cigar out of his mouth. All right, hell, you got him. I got this one. I'll take the black one from Texas. Like, that's what it was back then. And it went fast. And it went fast. They didn't care because they had 17 rounds, too, back then.

They would stock half a goddamn football team and probably cut a shitload of them. There was no clock because they didn't need it. No, they knew. So this is then a totally different deal. 17-round draft. Now it's seven. Number one overall pick. Guess?

No. Steve Bartkowski. I don't know who he is. Bartkowski. Sorry. Not Bartkowski. I don't know who that is. Steve Bartkowski is a quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons.

Oh, all right. Who was not very good. No. As you imagine, all those great Super Bowl winning late 70s Falcons teams that you've heard so much about, those legendary teams. No, that didn't happen. They don't exist. And they don't exist, and neither does this guy. Gotcha.

He exists. Right, just not in the NFL anymore. Not in the NFL anymore at all. Just not in the NFL anymore. Not in the NFL anymore at all. Bartkowski wasn't exactly the next. Not exactly Dan Marino or Roger Staubach. Not even Matty Ice. Not even, no, not even.

Actually, yeah, he's more like Bobby Hebert, we'll call him, another Saints quarterback from the 80s. Or Chris Miller, one of those shitty Falcon quarterbacks. Chris Chandler. He actually took them to the Super Bowl. Chris Miller, that's another story. He did suck bad. Actually, when they came out, I read an interview with

Bartkowski over this. I'm looking way too deep into this stupid shit. In an interview, he said it never was going to happen for me. They pegged me out of college as the next Joe Namath and from then on, I was a dead man. He said that? Everybody touted him as you better take him, he as the next Joe Namath, and from then on I was a dead man, basically. He said that? That was all the tout.

Everybody touted him as, you better take him, he's the next Namath. Wow. And he said that was too much pressure, and it didn't work out the way he thought it was going to. Who would want to be compared to anybody great? No. Unless you're... Yeah. I guess you do. You want people to say he's a...

But, I mean, that's a lot of pressure. I'll bet LeBron doesn't even like it. I can't even... I could picture him. If you said he's the next Jordan, he was like, that's right, motherfucker. He called himself King fucking James. He wears 23 because of it. He didn't call himself King Bartkowski.

He just wanted to be a quarterback. But I really don't think LeBron likes being compared to Jordan. They don't even play the same position. They're completely different players. No, they're not the same. You can't compare him to him. You can't compare that. No, they're different guys.

The closest you've got is Kobe, and Kobe's not as good as Jordan. Yeah, you can't compare. That's why it was bad when they tried to compare Magic and Jordan. It's so dumb. One's a point guard, so that's kind of a stupid comparison. It's ridiculous. Yeah, they play different games. Right.

Number two overall is Randy White, who's a badass defensive end for the—or defensive tackle for the Cowboys. Okay. And we'll talk about him later on. He'll come up. Number four overall, Walter Payton. Oh, my God. The Falcons fucked up.

Greatest offensive player in the history of football. Played for 15 years. Missed like one game. The most consistent, greatest player ever. They said, no, we want Barkowski. We'll take a Polish quarterback, thanks. They're always the best. Look at all the successful quarterbacks. Polak, Polak, Polak.

That's what you want. Not just like that Walter Payton's the best running back, the best offensive player ever. It's that he by all accounts, one of the most amazing men. Oh, the greatest guys. One of the greatest people ever. He's got the fucking Man of the Year award named after him. That's what I mean.

And sharp and smart. This is how smart Walter Payton is. Barkowski, please. This is how smart Walter Payton is, okay? Doing research, I came across this story. For one of our wrestling episodes, this story came up. Walter Payton did a thing with WWE in the 90s, right? A little thing where he was in somebody's corner, and he supposed to like shove somebody or some shit whatever right grab a foot apparently

they the wrestlers have been planning this this what's going to happen in this thing it's a big angle and they're they were planning it for a couple days going over it they went over it a million times walter payton comes in the locker room he hears it once in passing and then they're going over it again and the wrestlers fuck something up, and he goes, oh, no, that part's this, that, and this, and they went, he's fucking right. He's right. How did he know that? He heard it once, and that's how amazing he is at remembering plays

and shit like that. That makes you the greatest offensive player. That's why he's so good. But they were all just like, holy shit. Wrestlers hate everybody. They're like comedians. They're not impressed with anybody. They're like, fuck you.

And they loved him. They're like, oh, this guy's incredible. What a man. So anyway, you could have had Walter Payton. Instead, you had a Polish quarterback. Good job, assholes. Might as well have picked an Italian quarterback. The only thing that would have been worse. We don't quarterback well. We just claim Dan Marino and move on.

No, his dad's half Italian. He's Italian. It's fine. There's an O at the end of his name. He's clearly eye-tied. He's Italian. It's fine. There's an O at the end of his name. He's clearly... There's an O and he... He's clearly high-tied. He tans up real nice. You see him tan up? He doesn't burn.

He's Italian. See him in the Miami sun? He's so brown. Right there. You're claiming you're Italian right there. Well, there's light Italians. My mother's pretty light, but still, I'm like, let's see you out in the sun for 15 fucking minutes.

You're turning red? No? Yes? You're not? Fuck you. No. Because I can stand out there and get brown. It's a bit curly for an Italian minutes. You're turning red? No. Yes? You're not. Fuck you. No. Because I can stand out there and get brown.

It was a bit curly for an Italian guy. Shit. So also, let's see, who else went here? Russ Francis, who's a tight end

who later on, he's kind of a famous guy, played at San Francisco. He also went on to be a wrestler for a little while as a matter of fact. And finally,

number 18 overall, the Dallas Cowboys select Mr. Thomas. Yeah. Not even Hollywood yet. Mouth of the South Wildman Henderson fact and finally number 18 overall the dallas cowboys select mr thomas yeah not even hollywood no mouth of the south wild man henderson out of langston hilarious and uh it's all big colleges pretty much and then him out of langston so they people were surprised yeah like there was like the scouts are like looking through their books like who the fuck is this guy what the who langston the hell is that what college is that what is that a mexican a black school i thought of jesus i never even heard of it god damn so uh they end up taking

him first round uh so i mean not bad there's a bunch of hall of famers in that draft so i mean you know it's a decent draft basically uh 1975 season yeah uh he plays for dallas yeah uh dallas uh it's his rookie year he's very br brash, by the way, that year. Now, Landry, Tom Landry is the coach. If you've ever seen Tom Landry, he is the silverest of the silver haired middle aged white men. He looks he's in a suit and tie with a fedora. Yeah. He looks like Joe Friday. OK, like he looks like he's come to take your statement in the 1950s. He's come to check to make sure you're not a communist is what it looks like. He's like a total FBI man or G-man from the 50s, like the guy in charge of the unit, basically. And he's going to be in charge of this fucking lunatic who's shooting heroin and selling weed and acting like a crazy person to call himself the mouth of the South.

So as you can imagine, there's going to be some interesting things going on here. And especially because Dallas misses the playoffs for the first time in eight years. Oh, fuck. The year before that. Yeah. So they're coming into, like, there's a lot of pressure in 75. They better be good. Yeah, we were going to Super Bowls, and we were really good, and now we just missed the playoffs.

Right. So a lot of pressure. Now, the Cowboys, Landry had no clue what to do with this guy. He's like, what the shit do I do with this guy? But it's the 70s, and there's a lot of guys kind of around that's becoming more, like, guys are more freewheeling. Look at clips from the 70s. Guys have big afros sticking out of their helmets, and they're not just taking shit anymore. They're not.

They're starting to say, I'm going to have personality while I play, and there's nothing you can do about it, basically. And they also realize that that gets them money. It gets them endorsements. It gets you can do about it basically and they also realize that that gets them money yeah it gets them endorsements it gets you noticed and it still does to this day right you can be a mediocre player in any sport right and if you're brash enough you'll be on commercials yeah I mean Jesus Christ green fuck John he was great he's a hall of famer Johnny Manziel was on commercials point yeah he did nothing right he just had a big mouth and and was famous that's it. Arrogance and cockiness. And that shit sells.

It sells. It really does. People find it entertaining, if nothing else. There's got to be a villain. And the villain gets paid, too. That's the thing. And sometimes the villain gets more than the hero. Because the villain is why you want the hero.

Right. That's the thing. That's why it's happening. If there is no villain, there is no hero. No. If there's no Joker, Batman's just walking around and people are going, hey, Batman. He's like, what's up, dude?'s that's a shit movie right it's boring you gotta have that guy he can show you around his car for 10 minutes and be like this is pretty

cool i built this cave and everyone why'd you build all this what to fight crime well we don't have any crime it's kind of it's pretty safe around here my car got broken into like last year but i don't know if you really want to send bat it's not really a batman problem it's not really a batman thing It was an iPod. The cops took a report. Nobody gave us a shit. Got insurance. It was like 200 bucks to fix the window and it was fine.

I mean, that was all there was. Just a deductible, really. It was no big deal. It wasn't really a Batman issue. Right. We don't really have bat problems at this point. We'll get back to you when we get bat problems. Our issues now do not require a superhero's intervention.

For now, I mean, there's just no villains. You can leave the utility belt home is what I'm telling you. We don't need it. The car, you can take an Uber. It's fine. It's not a big deal. Just get there when it's over. So he says, Hollywood here, Thomas at this point.

Yeah. Thomas. Yeah. Thomas says his older black teammates warned him that his lack of discipline, his independent streak, all of this shit would cause a lot of trouble with the team's, quote, white power structure. What? The ownership and all that. Oh, white power.

White power. Yeah, white power structure. No, the power structure happens to be white of the Dallas Cowboys. That's a better way to put it. He put it a different way. He says that he honestly had no fucking clue what they were talking about. Really? He said he didn't even think of racism as a thing.

You don't understand that you're kind of owned by white people right now? He didn't even think about it. He said he grew up in an all-black neighborhood. He attended an all-black college, went to all-black high school, and this was after the civil rights and all that stuff. So for him, he said he was completely insulated from racism. He said there was never any white people to be racist against him. He never thought like, hey, we live in a shit neighborhood for a reason.

He never thought that part, but there wasn't a white guy going, hey, fucking N-word, blah, blah, blah. That didn't happen to him. It was just all black people kept into a little fucking town, bro. He didn't realize that, though. He doesn't realize that's racist. You just think, well, that's how everybody lives. You don't even know how people live. The system keeps you down, brother.

He realizes that later. But now he just says that he said he never once in his entire life before this point encountered overt racism. Never. Just never saw it. Because there was never any white people. I guess that's the point. Plus, this is, like, magnified, too.

So, like, if you don't realize that it exists exists and then you see it on such a magnified scale. Yeah, like, whoa. And they're telling you everyone's warning you. Right. Yeah. For him, it was like Richard Pryor talking about Africa, where it was like, no one call me that word once there. You know? It was like, that's all there was.

You know? That was his whole joke. That's hilarious. That was a thing. So, he didn't know. We have an in their own words about this whole thing here. In their own words, quote, It never occurred to me to be afraid of Landry.

I was cavalier. I told him dirty jokes. He'd walk by and I'd go, What's up, Tom? I didn't know my place. Independent, spirited, new black man. You gotta understand, Landry came out of the NFL of the 1950s. The racism, black guys sort of knowing their place. I spoke to him like a man instead of a fearful, subservient position.

So, yeah, he's just not. Just being him. He's like, hey, what's up, Tom? How's it going? Whereas like all the other guys, like you call him, what the fuck are you doing, man? You call him Mr. Landry. You call him Coach. Like you don't call him, hey, what's up, Tom?

You call him sir. Tell him a dirty joke. Tell him a joke where the, you know, where the punchline is something filthy. I wanted to say something, and I was like, that's too filthy. And I backed it up, and I was like, that's not filthy enough. And I was like, fuck it. I'm going to abandon this whole thing. I feel like pussy was in there.

The first one was funnier, but it was really dirty. So I can't. I'm not even going to get into it. It was good. And I'm like, no, I can't say that. That's filthy. God damn it. There's ladies listening to this.

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podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. And now back to the show. Basically, at this point, he's trying to be himself and ignore the rules. You had to shave. You're not allowed to have a beard on the Cowboys. Really? Like the Yankees, you can't have a beard. The Cowboys didn't allow that? Back then, no beards.

This was coming from the 50s and 60s. And in the 70s, beards were kind of a thing. Yeah. And it was kind of a thing for like, hey, man, this is my look. I get this shit all slicked up. And this is what the ladies like. I put oil in this. I spent money on this beard.

Ladies like old TH's beard. You know what I'm saying? So we're going to have a talk here. The ladies sighs tickle when I got this right. Yeah, you know how that is. I like to hear him giggle. I like to hear him giggle when I give him a tickle. So what he does is he gets a doctor's note.

Really? To be able to keep his beard. Because? So Landry lets him keep his beard for medical reasons because his doctor said that he had such aggressive ingrown hairs that he couldn't shave. Okay. At all. Just couldn't shave. I mean, I feel you.

I've got them, too. His whole face would turn into a giant staph infection and he'd die. One shave. Done. So, yeah. I mean, you could trim it down and just have stubble. Nope. Nope.

Nope. Not going to happen. Need the beard. It's got fur. My skin condition. So Landry. Was he Black Samson with a beard? Yeah.

It's just ridiculous. Landry could have told him to, you know, fuck you. But he was like, all right, we'll let this one slide. It was like, I'll choose my battles here. He went out. He went to the lengths of getting a fucking doctor's note. Yeah, the guy really. He really likes his beard.

He prepared. Let's see what else here. So he lets it slide, and he lets other things slide, Landry does, about Henderson. Like Henderson does some things on the field that are very brash and not what people do back then. He scores a touchdown on a kickoff return in his rookie year in 75, which is a big deal. As he returns it, it's an 80-yard return, too. So that's a long way to run, 80 yards with all those pads on. And being as big as he is.

And being a big dude. He's 220. He's 6'2". He's 220. He's a big guy. He then slam dunks the football over the goal post. Oh, okay. Which you'd see a ton of times happen, and Jimmy Graham ruined it for everybody in 2014.

Got it. But back then, that had never been done before. Guys got in the end zone. Very first one. This is the first one. Back then, that's when spiking first started. Yeah. That's like when it first started.

Back then, guys used to just get in the end zone and flip the ball to the ref. That's what they did. That was their celebration. Then they'd do a dance sometimes, but the ball was never involved in it, really. And then they started spiking it. That became a big deal. But he dunked it over the— That's unbelievable.

The athleticism in that. After 80 yards. 80 yards, weighed down by pads, you can still get up to dunk, and you're not 6'7", 6'8". That's pretty impressive. But Landry didn't discipline him for that. It was fine. It pumped the team up.

The team liked it. They thought that was great. So he was like, all right, well, you know what? Everybody's happy about it. He did score an 80-yard touchdown. He put points on the board on a kickoff. This isn't the fight to have, basically. This isn't the thing at all.

But Henderson still, no matter what, couldn't stand the whole Landry thing. He constantly accused him of playing favorites. He said that Landry played favorites. It's totally true. He said that he wanted attention. He didn't like the way Landry did things. He wanted attention.

He wanted respect. He didn't feel like he was getting it from the team. Sure. From the team, the white power structure wasn't giving him respect. The white power structure is not giving me respect. He said that he wanted to be promoted by the team's publicists. He wanted to make money. He wanted to get endorsements be promoted by the team's publicists. He wanted to make money. He wanted to get endorsements. And that's

exactly what he said. He said he wanted to live a certain lifestyle. And if the Cowboys wouldn't help him with it, god damn it, he'll make it happen himself. He is resourceful. By dunking, by getting doctor's notes for beards, shit like that that gets attention, and then tons of other crazy shit that we're going to talk about. There's so much crazy shit here.

His rookie year, 75. He plays in 13 games. Doesn't start any of them. He's a backup. They're kind of working him in. He returns a lot of kicks, too. He's a kick returner. That's amazing.

Which is wild. He has one forced fumble, a fumble recovery also. They didn't record sacks yet then. They didn't record sacks to Lady. They didn't record sacks until 82. Is that right? Absolutely. So that's why guys like Deacon Jones, some of these great defenders, you'd never know where they stand on the sack list because they didn't record them back then.

Wow. So it's crazy. It really is. They didn't record it until like 82. How did they jot it down in the stats? Just like a tackle for a loss? Just a tackle for a loss. That's it.

So, I mean, they can go back and piece shit together and they have guys like Deacon Jones they pieced together and said he had like 300 sacks over some crazy number that's ridiculous. Guys like that. Who knows? That's nuts. Who knows what was a whatever. But we don't know what he did there. But the team goes 10

and 4. So that's better. They're going to make the playoffs. They beat the Vikings 17-14 in the divisional game. They go to the NFC championship four okay so that's better yeah they're gonna make the playoffs uh they beat the vikings 17 14 in the divisional game yeah uh they go to the nfc championship game and beat the rams beat the shit out of the rams 37 7 okay that's an ass 75 okay 75 season so they go all the way to the super bowl in this uh this is january 18th 1976 yeah okay super X. Now, this is the thing here. Now, in the Super Bowl back then and now, too, shoes now are a big deal. There's a big contract with the team and the NFL has a thing.

Particular players have specific shoes. And it's very, very contracted and everything is, this one's a sponsor and you can't be seen wearing this shoe because they're, you know, forget about it. Because you're getting money from those. It's big, big business then. Back then, not big business. If you've ever seen, again, the 30 for 30 on the Nike thing, when Nike started, basically they were like, they made running shoes and they were like, hey, let's give some shoes to basketball kids and see if they'll wear them.

Maybe other people will buy them if they wear them. Smart. So they had the same idea here in 1975. Thomas liked to wear Adidas, okay? He always wore Adidas in his career. I understand. I'm an Adidas man myself. That's your bag. That's my jam there. But during this game, he wore shoes with a Puma logo on them, but it actually wasn't a Puma logo, as we'll find out. He says, quote, before the game, Puma gave me a bag of money to wear their shoes.

There was three thousand dollars in there. But I tested out the Puma shoes on the turf before the game and they were like ballet shoes. They didn't protect my toes. So to get the money, I actually painted the Puma emblem on the side of my Adidas shoes. I fucking genius. I put a sock over my shoe and painted over it. I never heard anything from Puma after that. But what were they going to do? I already had their money. That's brilliant. That's beautiful right there. I like what he does.

That's what I mean. He'll hustle. He's like, sure. Give me a bag of money. I'm not going to say no. I'll say yes to whatever you're saying and then do what I want because it's cash and you gave it to me. Do it the way I do it.

What do you do? Come back and get it? No. It's my money now. Sure, those are Adidas. I put a sock, or those are Pumas. I put a put a sock over don't worry about it what do you know but yeah luckily they don't well for them they don't give them any more money uh a defensive back named charlie waters said it's totally true he said quote he did it it was clever that was typical thomas we made a lot more money

on what shoes we wore in the super bowl because you got much more exposure in the game and thomas would love to have the cash so he could buy a little more entertainment, if you will, after the game or even during the game. We're going to find out what that entertainment is in a minute here because it's Thomas likes to get entertained. Let's just say if you want to use air quotes of entertained, we'll find out exactly what that means here. Another story that's crazy here.

Fucking crazy. Like nowadays, the concussions are a big deal. Guy has a concussion. He's out a certain amount of time. There's a protocol. Back then, you could basically get your head hit with a baseball bat seven times. Maybe like, you cool? Yeah?

All right, get back in there. Fine. Literally, that's how bad it was. Intense. Coming into Super Bowl X, Lin Swan, the receiver for the Steelers. And he's a commentator and just a kind of a suave, handsome, older, so handsome, suave, handsome, older black man. It's crazy. He suffered in the AFC championship game versus the Raiders.

A severe concussion. Yeah, not got his bell rung a little. A severe concussion that forced him to spend three days in the hospital. My Christ. That's how bad of a concussion he forced him to spend three days in the hospital that week. My Christ. That's how bad of a concussion he had. And the next week was the Super Bowl. And so people didn't expect him to play or they didn't know whether he was going to play. Nowadays, it'd be no question.

He's not in. He's not in. That's the rules. Yeah. But back then, they're like, is he going to play? And they're saying, if he does play, he's just going to be a decoy, the whole deal. He's not able to participate in practices. He just did like a minor workout.

He didn't do anything all week, but they expected him to possibly play. Now, before the game, Dallas' safety, Cliff Harris, said, quote, I'm not going to hurt anyone intentionally, which right away, wow. Balin's about to get fucked up he's gonna drool when he smiles for about the next five years uh but getting hit again while he's running a pass route must be in the back of swan's mind i know it would be in the back of my mind he's like i'm gonna fuck you up he was hoping lynn heard that interview and just rattled him just at least a little a little just a wince a drop uh swan said quote i'm 100%. I value my health, but I have no dizzy spells.

I read what Harris said. He was trying to intimidate me. He said I'd be afraid out there. He needn't worry. He doesn't know Lin Swan. He can't scare me or the team. I said to myself, the hell with it. I'm going to play.

Sure, I thought about the possibility of being re-injured, but it's like being thrown by a horse. You have to get up and ride again immediately, or you may be scared for the rest of your life. Not if the horse injures you horribly. Christopher Reeves. There you go. Thank you very much. Fucking Google that shit and ask that son of a bitch how that getting back on the horse

works. Exactly. Christopher Reeves' horse for the next rest of his life was a wheelchair. Had wheels on it. Yeah. He had a wheeled horse. This is my horse it, yeah. He had a wheeled horse. This is my horse, Wheelie. He had a fucking chariot.

Yeah, he did. That's true. Jesus. Sure, I'll ride a horse, but I'm going to need a cart, too, to attach to that thing. I'm going to get on it. Either that or just strap him to the top of it. Look, I'm doing it. It's like, what about Bob?

He's like, Bill Murray tied to the sailboat. I'm sailing. Lynn, you're on the wrong side of history, sir. So, wow. That was a dumb thing to say. I have to say. You're going to be scared the rest of your life. What, are you going to never ride a horse again? Probably.

You know, when you get a brain injury, you've got to get right back in there and smash your head on something. Obviously. What a fucking bananas thing to say. Jesus Christ. When you get a brain injury, you've got to get right back in there and smash your head on something. That's obviously. What a fucking bananas thing to say. Jesus Christ. Now, the Orange Bowl is where they play this game in Miami. It's versus the Steelers, obviously.

We're talking about Lin Swan. Right. The halftime show. Wow. These halftime shows are not what they are now. It's funny. Before we started this, you and I talked about the halftime shows and compared who played what when. Yeah.

And it only started getting to where Americans would watch it in- 92. Yeah. Michael Jackson. Ridiculous. It was the Michael Jackson Super Bowl. Before that, it was just- It was garbage.

It was just garbage. It was just, why watch this shit? It literally was just a pile of garbage like this, where the halftime show is up with people, which if you Google search up with people, it's a picture of about 47 people with instruments. It's too many fucking people should be the name of the band. Not up with people. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Too fucking many people. It's ridiculous.

They presented a song called, quote, 200 years and just a baby. America's tribute to America's Bicentennial. Which sounds earth shattering. Doesn't it sound amazing? Holy shit. Wow. What the fuck? People were like, no, shut up.

Up with people's on. No, I'm watching it. They're telling us that we're all just babies. Wow. This Super Bowl drew 57.7 million viewers, which is nothing compared to now. Yeah. 30-second commercial went for $110,000. Wow.

Which is hundreds of thousands and millions now for a 30-second commercial. It's crazy. Scenes were filmed from this game for the 1977 film Black Sunday, which is about a terrorist attack on the Super Bowl with a Goodyear blimp. That's the movie. And that movie, if in case, if you're a Mystery Science Theater 3000 nerd like I am, that is from the first season of Mystery Science Theater. They do Black Sunday.

And it's a terrible fucking movie. It's god awful. And the episode's not that great either. It's a Joel, and it's before they really wrote him out well. But still very interesting to watch. Check it out. Okay. Find it somewhere. Now, on the opening kickoff, the Cowboys ran a reverse to Hollywood.

Oh. They ran a reverse to Henderson. Yeah. So he gets the ball on the opening kickoff and returns it for 48 yards. Wow. Which is at the time a record in the Super Bowl. Really? A kickoff and returns it for 48 yards, which is at the time a record in the Super Bowl for a kickoff return. He is knocked out of bounds by Roy Guerrilla, who is a kicker.

So that's embarrassing there at the Steelers' 44-yard line. Now, Lin Swan in this game had about the best game any receiver's ever had. If you've seen pictures from this game, it is him catching balls that no human man should catch. It's him getting his legs taken out by somebody while tipping a ball back and forth in the air and catching it just as he's hitting the ground. One, he and a defender go up together, and he just somehow gets about two feet higher than him and just reaches in front and takes the ball and then lands gently and fucking keeps running. Wow. And he makes a great catch in the end zone.

He had a monster game. It was like the best game of his life. As if brain damage just made him better. He just didn't even think like, oh, baby, this will hurt me. He was just like, I'll run and jump there. Just brain damage. Give me that ball and I'll run there. Apparently brain damage helps you in football.

That's what we've come to here. L.C. Greenwood, defensive tackle for the Steelers, recorded four sacks, but they didn't record sacks. But now they know he had four sacks, which would have been a record for the Super Bowl. Four in the Super Bowl. In the Super Bowl. That's crazy. You'd be MVP today if you had four sacks in the Super Bowl. Easy.

Easy. Steelers win the game 21-17. So Cowboys lose the game. But that's okay. That's okay. It's sad. The Cowboys are upset.. But that's okay. That's okay. That's sad. The Cowboys are upset. You know, Landry's not happy about this.

But, but, come on. They won the NFC Championship, though. That's pretty great. That's fine. But Thomas, he's got other plans. Yeah. Jesus Christ. He's got three grand in his pocket, too.

He's got cash. Yeah. Just a bag full of cash. Big brown bag. Free shoes. Yeah. And he's about to hit the town. Yeah.

So let's find out what he did here. He says, quote, I think it was in 1976. I went straight from the Super Bowl in Miami where we lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I met a famous singer and went to Hollywood. Marvin Gaye was a good friend. Richard Pryor was a good friend. I stayed at his house and he stayed in my house when he came to Dallas. In that crowd, I was introduced

to the fast lane of freebasing cocaine. Oh, baby. Here comes our second character. A freebase cocaine. I wasn't a big drinker. In fact, I never was. I never did finish a beer, so I never really became an alcoholic until I really was at the end of my road.

I smoked crack with Richard Pryor and Marvin Gaye. Richard introduced me to freebase early on in 1976. I may be one of the founding fathers of smoking cocaine. Well, then. Well, then. I'm not a founding father of anything. Oh, I'm so proud of you. Just picture him with a wig on, very proud to be signing a document with a quill.

I'll sign my name biggest. Wow. Holy shit. One of the founding fathers. Freebasing cocaine. I go back to the bicentennial in 76 and I am probably one of the founding fathers of smoking crack. Really? Really?

That is so awesome. He's so proud of it. It's incredible. It's like I am the fucking I invented crack. Me and Richard Pryor. I invented how to do this. This is great. And he loved crack. I didn't know Marvin Gaye was like that. Oh shit, yeah. I didn't know he was into that. Fuck yeah. That's awesome. How many people you know get shot by their dad who don't have

problems? That's a good point. You know, there's drugs in that house, I'm sorry. But yeah, no, Marvin Gaye had a big problem. I didn't know that. Yeah, they were hanging out together. I mean, I knew Richard Pryor. Well, that's famous. He blew himself up.

Well, want to find out a little more about blowing yourself up? Richard Pryor killed a car. He did? That's a great bit, too. That man was crazy. He was living a life. So let's find out what he says here about this, about Richard hanging out. This is, okay, this, wow.

You think about Richard Pryor in the 70s. That's a crazy life he's living. This is a little sliver into Richard Pryor's living room, like on a late night when he's on a bender, okay? Quote, when Richard Pryor would cuss me out like only he could because I wanted

to light up a cigarette around the ether, that flammable shit you used to freebase cocaine that could get you in trouble and explode on you. Richard would motherfuck me and scream, no, don't spark that lighter. Don't light that match. Are you crazy, man? Are you trying to blow us up, motherfucker?

So I would have to go outside and smoke. In any case, I really didn't like freebase. I really loved crack. So, you know. You reading the quote is so much better than you could have ever done it i really loved crack i really loved crack that's how i think he would have said i mean it was it was phenomenal two loves of my life when i was a little kid i fell in love with lucky charms and then crack later so two things wow uh so he talks about how uh you know, in football, they gave you lots of drugs.

It was like not illegal ones, but tons of drugs. He said that after on the plane, this is like a team plane thing. He said, quote, about 30 minutes after the plane took off, the trainer would start at the front row with a big bag of hydrocodone. And he would walk down the aisle offering them to players. Yeah. So he's walking around like it's Halloween. Like the stewardess. Yeah, literally like hydrocodone, would you like an opiate?

Like, it's fucking ridiculous. That's what they were doing. Like Sprite, would you like some oxycodone? That's what they did back then, though, because what else are you going to do? And the guys are hurting, you just give them pills and get them back out there. They didn't give a shit, and they don't care about them now either. They don't. But they really didn't care about them then.

Then it was like, well, Christ, take them up back and shoot them. The feigning is almost more insulting than just pumping them full of painkillers. Well, now they know they have to pretend like they care so women don't feel guilty for watching. I've heard them say that. They have internal NFL memos where they're like, guys don't give a shit about concussions.

Women are fucked up over these concussions. They feel bad watching a show where people are getting hurt. Not only that, then they don't give a shit about concussions. Women are fucked up over these concussions. They feel bad watching a show where people are getting hurt. Not only that, then they don't want their kids to watch it because they don't want their kids to want to play. And they don't want to tell them no. I feel like they pull that. And men do it too, but that's the league's thought is about the women thing. Yeah. It seems like when they pull that tent over the player to evaluate him and stuff.

Yeah, yeah. It really seems like they pull that over and be like, all right, now let's just, how was your night? You good? We all right? How's your wife doing? Because they don't, they're not doing anything under there. No, no.

What are they doing? They're just bullshitting around. You've got to, you got to pop up tent to make a triage unit out there. It's so stupid. It is stupid. It's so dumb. You're making a makeshift triage for fucking somebody's concussion?

Get out of here. Stop pretending. Back then, they wouldn't even bother with the tent. They'd be like, yeah, fuck them. This is what they did back then. He says, quote, throughout my career in the National Football League, and I played for seven years, I had 20 plus concussions. Of course. They'd known about the dangers for a long

time. My rookie year with the Cowboys, I would have to run down the field during practice and straight into four big guys holding their arms together. That was called the wedge. Right. As you've seen, I don't think they're allowed to do that anymore. Then they would tell you to break up the wedge. Well, I would get five yards from those guys and I would just go airborne.

I mean, I would fly into 300-pound guys and just knock myself silly. When I knocked myself silly, I didn't know that I had a concussion. But I'd lay on the ground completely out of it, and here would come the trainers. They would raise your feet up and ask you questions. They would go, quote, who are we playing? What day is it? What city are we in?

Literally, that was the protocol in 1975. If you could fucking know what city you were in, you're fine to keep playing. Imagine that. Wow. Like that. Wow. Like a fucking bank. You call your bank and they're like, what's the password? All right, we can just give you your money now. And this is just three quick questions.

This is medical. This is their livelihood. And that's some shit that just could be in your brain going. You could look up and see that you're in Boston or you could look up and see you're in New York. You see the name of the stadium and put it together. Yeah, you see the guy's helmet on the other side. And they only play on Sunday and Monday. Basically, if you don't know.

What day is it? We're playing football. It's obviously Sunday. Basically, if you don't know, you know, fucking basic questions. It's ridiculous. So dumb. Wow. I mean, shit, if you know that, that's fine.

That's enough. That is not concussion protocol at all. Now get back over there and let's run the XYZ button hook, whatever the fuck. Go throw yourself into those guys again. Jesus. So he said, quote, I developed a dependency upon drugs as a playing device. The trainers would always give you something that would help, but the pain never quits. You hurt off the field.

You take it home to your family. You were trained to be dependent on something to make it feel better. There was always some substance to help you feel better, which is true. I mean, they give you a bunch of painkillers and that's, back then especially, 70s, team doctor saying I should take these, I guess they're fine. They tell me to do what I do. Yeah, there was no, we didn't know anything

about that shit back then. That's the guy we have to trust. Yeah. What else are you going to do? Now, 1976 season, Too Tall Jones is Hollywood Henderson's roommate, Too Tall Jones is Hollywood Henderson's roommate. Too Tall Jones is an awesome, big, giant monster of a person. He's huge. Just a monster. He's like 6'9",

playing defensive end in the NFL. And a big, huge guy, too. And great player, as a matter of fact. He played forever. Christ, he played into the 80s. They hung out and drank together. Too Tall says they attended at least one orgy together also. So that's nice. It's the 80s They hung out and drank together Too Tall says they attended At least one orgy together also So that's nice, it's the 70s

Can you imagine how many women it must take for Too Tall Jones? Oh my god, he just had them draped on And one over the shoulder Jesus Christ, Hollywood looking suave with his beard Hey baby, you like this beard, don't you? I can't imagine how fucking I got a doctor's note Imagine how gross a 70s orgy is the musty smell of a fucking big shower big pube mounds the must coming off of

there holy shit my god after they just played an nfl game my room must smell god awful the whole would you want to be in that room with those guys banging on women no i don't want to be in that room with those guys banging on women? No, I don't want to be in the room with Too Tall Jones. Thank you. That sounds like a porn name. It does. This is Too Long Jones over here. No, no, no. Too Tall says, quote, I played 15 years and saw 15 years come and go.

And I can honestly say Thomas was the most gifted and talented athlete I ever had the experience of playing with. Wow. Thomas agrees, obviously. He agrees. He said, quote, this sounds like bragging, but I was just blessed. I was a really special football player. I should be in the Hall of Fame, but that just wasn't in the cards for me. And we'll definitely find out why.

This year, 1976, he played in 14 games. Didn't start any again. Did have a safety. Dallas goes 11-3 in the regular season. Then they play the L.A. Rams at home in the divisional game. They're heavily favored. They're like 10-point favorites, and they lose 14-12. Yeah, so Landry's pissed, obviously.

I'm sure. They need something. The 1977 season, they do get something in the draft. In the first round, they pick up Tony Dorsett. Fantastic. Who's a Hall of Fame running back. He's so tiny tiny god damn it yeah you were so fast and i like didn't he you tell me he stared at your girlfriend's boobs or something he was he was eye level with my girlfriend's i love this story with bed puddles breasts yeah and made so many fucking inappropriate

comments yeah there you go hammered drunk he was pissed. Now you know he's on hydrocodone and everything else. He's a mess. Hammered. He's got concussions leaking out. Just telling my girlfriend's tits about how great of a day it was. In his defense, he might have thought that was like his wife. He might have thought that was two people standing there. I was going to say, he might have thought that was his wife's head.

He had no idea at that point. That puddle's tits were huge, so it's possible he thought it was two people. He didn't know. No. Now, this is the last season, the 77th season, where they play 14 games in a season. They go to the current 16-game schedule the next year. Thomas plays in all 14 games, starts all 14 games. So now he's a starter.

Three interceptions this year. He had a 79-yard interception return for a touchdown, which is a big deal. Two fumble recoveries. I mean, that's making a difference and an impact on the field. We don't know sacks, like we said, but that's an impact on the field. Three picks is huge for a linebacker. Team goes 12-2. So crushing it.

I mean, that's killing it. They beat the Bears 37-7 in the playoffs. They beat the Vikings 23-6 in the NFC Championship game. And they made it to the Super Bowl. Go all the way to the Super Bowl versus the Broncos. Sorry, Jimmy. I remember seeing this on NFL films about

300 times as a kid, and every time I would root for a different outcome. I'm like, maybe the Broncos win it this time. Maybe they pull it out. Greg Morton still sucks. Never mind. Shit. Damn it. They would say, the doomsday defense of the Dallas Cowboys. They'd show Morton running for his life.

Show guys getting stopped at the line of scrimmage. It was a mess here. So they play the game. This is in New Orleans. Yeah. At the, what is it? The Superdome? The Superdome.

Thank you, Jesus. I had it in front of me, and I'm like, how does that word say? I don't know how I pulled that out of my dumb ass, but I did. The national anthem is wow. This is performed by Phyllis Kelly of Northeast Louisiana University. Oh boy. So not exactly a big star for the anthem, but the halftime

show, don't worry Jimmy, they bring the star power. Performing a piece called From Paris to the Paris of America is the Tyler Junior College Apache Bells. Wow. With Pete Fountain.

Who? So if that helps, sweeten the deal for you. We're going to bring these people, but don't worry, we'll throw in Pete Fountain for free. Wait a second. Fountain's not... Is Fountain available? We're not taking the Apache Bells if we can't get Fountain. I want Fountain on that fucking field at halftime.

We got to make it something French. It's Louisiana. He's got to slap the Apache Bells on the ass. You know how that goes. Come on. People want action. Jesus Christ. Sex sells.

So this game, 79 million viewers. So big up from the last one. Stepping it up. $162,000 for a 30-second commercial. 20 million people more. Yeah, 20 million people more, and it's $52,000 more for an ad. Yeah. So not bad.

Now, this game, he is deep into Coke by this point. He's been hanging out with Richard Pryor. Yeah, for several years. Yeah, for several years. At one point, too, he's so Hollywood at this point. This is when he gets the name Hollywood. They say there's different stories. One says they say it's there's different stories one says he gave it to himself and another one says a teammate gave it to him because he came in in

a limo one day to practice showed up in a limo with a fur coat on and they were like what's that yeah so it's that sort of thing here he said that uh he was late to practice one day because he was banging one of the pointer sisters uh oh my god what He's like I was fucking a Pointer Sister so sorry I'm late. He doesn't even know which one. That was literally his excuse. I was hanging out with the Pointer Sisters and I fucked one of them and I'm late. That's rad. Sorry. I want that story. And all the teammates are like that's acceptable

that's cool. We will accept that for sure. I don't think Landry thought that was okay. He's like I don't give a shit which Pointer Sister you're having sex with you be here on time. What's a pointer sister? Yeah. So he is big time into coke by this point. Now, he was asked later on

if he did drugs in New Orleans leading up to the game that whole week, and he said, quote, I was with Richard Pryor and Marvin Gaye, so what the fuck do you think I was doing? In other words, yes. You betcha. I was doing a lot of coke. Now, what he does is, well, let's see here. I don't know how to put this.

He plays this game. I say it because it's so stupid. He plays this game with an inhaler. You know, got a lot of guys having inhalers tucked in their waistband. His, though, was filled with liquid cocaine. Wow. He played a Super Bowl game. This was what he did the next year, too.

What the fuck? Liquid a Super Bowl game. This was he did the next year's, too, the next Super Bowl. What the fuck? Liquid cocaine during the game. Yeah. He says, quote, everybody knew I had sinus problems. Well, yeah, you're doing a shitload of coke. No wonder why. He said, quote, I was carrying around a roll of toilet paper at team meetings and sniffing

like I was living in the snow. So it wasn't going to cause any talk if I pulled out my inhaler and gave myself some drops. I walked to the side where we were on offense and took a couple of deep belts of my liquid cocaine. My nose was getting raw. Yeah. Wow.

He couldn't snort it anymore. He needed it right into his face. Later on, he said his septum, it was just his nose was a big scab on the inside, so the cocaine would irritate it. Good Christ. So that's why he liked smoking crack a lot too and doing that sort of thing here uh cowboys win 27 to 10 yeah uh this game so that's not so now he's been on two superbowl uh well one one and one right he's he's been on two right one and two at this point so that's fine sorry he's one and one at this point all right uh so yeah, yeah. But they won the fucking NFC championship.

And you lost to Lin Swan crushing everybody. Which was fine. And then you beat the living shit out of the Broncos. There's a great picture I'll post of Thomas hitting Craig Morton, the quarterback of the Cowboys. And Thomas is like, you know, like leaning up like with his feet. Those Broncos. And Craig Morton's feet are, what, three feet off the ground? Yeah.

Like he's like a child being mauled by his older brother. It's ridiculous. So Cowboys maul him, 27-10, liquid cocaine and all. They still pull it off. This game was featured in an episode of All in the Family. Really? Yes, it was, called Super Bowl Sunday, where this was when Archie started to become part owner of the

bar down there, turned into Archie's place, which was the spinoff later on. Anyway, after Edith died, very sad. So Archie rents a big screen TV, which was 32 inches in the 70s, at the bar to show the game. Oh, God. They needed four people in a hand cart. He needed Henderson and two tall Jones to bring it in. And two tall and their giant cocks all loaded up on cocaine.

And Archie sold ham sandwiches for $1.50. Jesus. Now, later on, once everybody cleared out, two of the guys that were there watching the game the whole time robbed Archie. Yeah, of course. Took all his money and left. Was it a couple of black guys? It actually wasn't. No, it wasn't.

I could see that happening. I can see the actor, and I know who he is. He's one of those. He was in a ton of television in the 70s and 80s. You'd know him if you saw him. I could see all in the family not realizing that that was a bad plan. Yeah. No, all in the family was very progressive, actually.

The whole show was making fun of Archie. Okay, good. Norman Lear is the same guy who wrote The Jeffersons and everything else. So definitely not like that. Now he's a Super Bowl champion. Everybody loves him. He's just a fun guy at this point. I'm going to say it now.

That's grace. That's grace. This is grace right here. He's having fun. Everybody likes him. Hanging out with Marvin Gaye. Nothing's gone wrong at this point. Liquid cocaine, but he wins the Super Bowl, so fuck it.

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And now, back to the show. A 1978 season. He plays in 15 games, starts 13. Wow. Has a fumble recovery, makes the Pro Bowl that year. So now he's recognition. Yeah. National goddamn recognition as a top-tier player at his position,

in addition to having a huge mouth. Right. So he does that. The team goes 12-4. That's great. Not too shabby at all here. First year of 16-game season. That'll get them to win that fucking NFC West.

That'll definitely. Or South or whatever the fuck they're in. It was always the East. Yeah, they were the East with the Giants. Okay. For some reason. That doesn't make any sense, but whatever. It's stupid.

And then the Cardinals moved to Arizona. We're still in the East. Right. Okay. So they beat the Falcons 27-20 in the divisional game. They beat the Rams in the championship game 28-0. That's because the Rams had Vince Ferragamo, who's an Italian quarterback. See what I mean?

See what I mean about that? Don't do that. Should have picked the Polack. So anyway, Super Bowl XIII is in Miami. Again, Jesus, this guy in fucking Miami. Can you imagine? In 79? No.

My goodness, God. At the end of the 78 season, which is early 1979, so they play Super Bowl XIII versus the Steelers in Miami. The national anthem sung by the Colgate 13. Oh, boy. Which I assume that's a choir from

Colgate University. It's all I can imagine. Either that or it's some brightly pearly-toothed white kids singing. Thirteen of them. The best ones. The best. Halftime show is Bob Janney presents Carnival, a salute to the Caribbean. Jesus.

That's the halftime show. No. Holy shit. They were really pandering to the location of the Super Bowl every year. Oh shit, yeah. That's disgusting. They were just like, maybe we can get the local people to keep watching from the stands. That's disgusting. Now it's like, fuck local. Who cares?

Yeah, it's got to be Springsteen or Timberlake or whatever. Fucking Katy Perry. Yeah. So this game, 75 million people watch. Yeah. $185,000 for a 30-second spot. So not bad. Thomas is not happy.

No. In this game. He's pissed off off as a matter of fact the cowboys pr department decides beforehand it's not like now now they have the media day super bowl all the media days where you basically sit under a tent yep and everyone wants to talk to you come everybody and you can act like a crazy person and draw attention to yourself or do whatever you want back then and then you got people coming down there that are being fucking weirdos with, like, they've got some sort of gimmick that they're going to try to make a big deal out of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so dumb. It's so stupid. I hate it. Yeah, those are the worst. It's guys trying to do— They've got, like, tassels on the ball. Trying to do self-promotion, too, and all that shit.

So stupid. Now, these guys, this was different here. Back then, the teams would pick who they wanted to basically represent them. Oh, that's nice. They would say, yeah, talk to this guy, this guy, and that guy. And then they'd talk to them, and they'd give the best statements. We're going to go out there as a team, and we're really going to try. And Coach Landry's put together a great game plan that we believe in.

They're going to say that shit. That's what they want him to say. He says, fuck that. I'm not part of that because they said not Thomas Space. Don't talk to him. Talk to these guys, not him. He said, oh, yeah, fine. I'll talk to people myself then.

Now I'm in business for myself. And he says, let's do it in their own words here. In their own words, quote, it's time to talk and I'm talking. Do you want another one of those dumb football players who says, we're going to go out there and we're going to try to play as hard as we can. I'm doing everybody a favor. I'm getting some people to hate me. I'm getting some people to love me.

I'm getting some excitement going around here. All right. So that's what I'm talking about. I like it. What does he do to get excitement going? He insults the other team horribly. Really? He said in a game plan he heard that Terry Bradshaw,

because he's overaggressive, you can trick him. You can make him think that something's open and make him take a chance because he's a gunslinger. You can make him take a chance. They used to do it with Brett Favre and guys like that and then close the gap and try to get a pick on him. That was the strategy there. He took that as he's dumb. And he also heard that Bradshaw – he is dumb as a fucking stump too. He's a fucking idiot.

God, he's an idiot. Like him or not, he's a moron. He's dumb as shit. So he heard that Bradshaw couldn't get into LSU because of his test scores. Oh, God. First of all, Shaq went to LSU, okay? So you think Shaq is a good test taker? I'm going to say not.

Honey Badger went to LSU. So Jamarcus Russell went to LSU. You know what I'm saying? Not difficult. Not a lot of smarties. Bradshaw, too dumb for LSU. So, Jamarcus Russell went to LSU. You know what I'm saying? Not difficult. Not a lot of smarties. Bradshaw, too dumb for LSU. Fantastic. He couldn't get into LSU, so he went to Louisiana Tech, which that says a lot for Louisiana Tech.

Louisiana Tech, if you're too dumb for LSU. Like, what the fuck kind of ad is that? Too dumb for LSU? Have you considered Louisiana Tech? Right. So, yeah. He says, okay, Terry Bradshaw's dumb. So, he goes, all right. He goes to the first member of the media he can find,, he says, okay, Terry Bradshaw's dumb. So he goes, all right.

He goes to the first member of the media he can find and he says, quote, Terry Bradshaw's so dumb he couldn't spell cat if you spot him the C and the A. So this was shit talking that was not done back then. So good. Yeah, it's great. Back then it was literally, we're going to go out there as a team, we're going to play hard. Anything outside of that was like, oh, this guy's crazy.

He was like, fuck that guy. Their quarterback's an idiot. I don't care how many rings he has. He's a moron. But it works. This gets him and Terry on the cover of Newsweek, a split cover. It's like a diagonal cover with Terry up on the top and Thomas on the bottom. Is he the original mouth in the NFL?

Pretty much. This guy is a prototype for lots of guys that came after. But this is where it started. This is people were telling me, calm down. He's like, that spills into basketball with Barkley spills into everything. I mean, this was, well, the 70s and basketball. You had the ABA and there was a lot of guys with style there. So that kind of already happened.

I mean, the mouth, the mouth, one of the mouth that I love. I do, too. I don't mind it at all. Especially when it's clever stuff like that. If it's just stupid. But he's saying he's like talking shit and he becomes kind of a master shit talker over the years. You gotta love Ali. Tons of

shit talking. That's great. Shannon Sharp did it too. Absolutely. Guys with a mouth. He says at this point too Wow. He says I had a deviated septum that was a bloody mess, and I had this big scab. When you're snorting cocaine pebbles up your nose, it's going to hurt the lining of your nose. But I was only using the spray bottle for medical purposes to ease the pain, not to get high. That's what I do, too.

That's what I do, Jimmy. Generally, I had a headache the other day, and I said, fuck, man. I took some Advil out, and I almost took them. And I was, fuck, man. I took some Advil out and I almost took them. And I was like, you know what? The liquid gels are good. They work really fast. But liquid cocaine would numb this right down. That'll do it.

I mean, I don't want to get high or anything, obviously. I don't even feel my brain. I'll just do that. So the Steelers end up winning this game 35-31. So they lose. The Cowboys lose. And I believe this is the game. It was one of these two Super Bowls with the Steelers.

I believe this is the game where the tight end gets hit right in the chest with the ball. Right in the chest with the ball. It would have been the game. It would have given the Cowboys the lead. In the end zone, wide open. Ball hit him right in the chest and bounced off. And before the ball was a foot away from him, he was already like punching the ground, like motherfucking son of a bitch bass,

like he freaked out. Like, God damn it. That was everything. You almost did it. Almost. I was the hero, and now I'm an idiot. So I think that was the game. I'm not sure.

Now, they win 35-31. You think Thomas is upset about this? No. He's in Miami. He's got coke. He's in Miami, man. Let's find out how Miami goes for him in the 70s, as we decided here, early 1979. Let's find out how Miami goes for him in the 70s as we decided here in early 1979.

Let's find out what Miami was going on. He said, quote, I'm in Miami, the headquarters of cocaine, and I was trying out some new stuff. Some Colombian drug dealers were just giving me stuff. Wow. I had about four ounces on me when I got on the team plane to go back to Dallas after the game. That's a lot. Four ounces is a shitload of coke to take on the team plane. But he doesn't give a fuck, man.

So he doesn't care at all. This is what I mean. He's like, yeah, we lost the game, but Colombian drug dealers. Guess who's got four ounces of Colombian cocaine? Quarter pound of coke they gave you. Here you go. Holy shit. First of all, that's expensive.

Yeah. Number one, especially in 1979. Yeah. Holy shit. The height of it. That's, that's expensive. Yeah. Number one, especially in 1979. Yeah. Holy shit. The height of it. That's before Coke got cheaper. Yeah. This is when, you know, before it was everywhere.

This is when it was tough to get. This is when it wasn't just like, you know, regular people doing Coke. It was only like, you know, Marvin Gaye. Yeah, it was Marvin Gaye and it was Richard Pryor doing it here. Other problems for Thomas at this point. Sure. In the locker room, he punched out a teammate, Mike Stenstrud, which is

not advised, generally. They don't like that. Generally, you like to get along with those guys. Yeah, he got in a big brawl with Randy White, who was the number two overall draft pick the year he was drafted. He was a big son of a bitch, too. A big, giant, hulking son of a bitch. He fought him, too. And he fought him. And then on a

team flight, this is on an airplane mind you, in a fucking tube, he gets in a fight with Robert Brazil, a teammate, and he pulls a knife on him. Thomas pulls a knife on Brazil and is like flicking it with his finger and threatening to stab him with it on the team

plane. Generally... You're not supposed to take that on the plane in the first place. No, those are coke behavior. That's coke behavior right there. That's coke behavior to Coke behavior about a that's not the environment to whip knives out and threaten stabbings in a professional environment. Early 1979, he is in the superstars competition. They did this back in the day on TV. They would have like the network superstars and they would have like all this is the stupidest shows ever. They'd have like, you know, Chachi and Henry Winkler and whoever the cast of Happy Days would be like in a relay race against the, you know, NBC's top shows. People.

It was a stupid show. They've got it now, too. It's like Dancing with the Stars or like Survivor or Celebrity anything. This was teams based on what networks they were on. They did the Battle of the Network Superstars. Oh, Christ. And they also did Battle of the Superstars, which was a bunch of athletes. I hate it.

And they just have them do, like, you know, races and fucking relays. Yeah, like stupid Olympic events kind of to see shit here. Right. So he's there. He goes. It's in Freeport in the Bahamas. Okay. So he went for the vacation.

He went for the vacation. Yeah. Well, we'll find out what he went for here. He says that it was held there. He said, I packed for the festivities and carried it on with me. A half ounce of cocaine. Good God. An ounce of incredible tie sticks, which is good weed, in case you don't know.

And about 30 quaaludes, which aren't really available anymore. If you watched The Wolf of Wall Street, they were a big deal back then. It's kind of obsolete drugs at this point. Yeah. Each different high in its own plastic bag, he says. I'd been on the plane taking a toot here and there, so when I got to customs, I was loose. What a 70s thing to say, taking a toot. I was taking a toot, and I felt real loose coming up to customs.

When they asked for my shoulder bag, I gave it to them without hesitation. Then I realized what I'd done. Oh, my God, I said to myself, I'm busted. This is it. I'm going to jail. My life is over. Then he says, and this is a quote from him, not me. I'm not going to talk about shade.

This is all him. He says, quote, I love this so much. Jesus Christ. This jet black gentleman, jet black gentleman, obviously 150% Bahamian. He's from there. Was the customs agent, and he was pawing through the bag like a pro. He opened the sides and slid his fingers down where I would have been hiding the stuff if I'd been hiding it. The baggies were sitting out in the middle of my satchel like letters from home.

He looked at them. I saw him run his fingers over the packages. I looked him in the eyes. Quote, Hollywood, he said, and his British Bahamian lilt, have a good time. I see you have brought everything you might need. I'm a star. They don't bust stars. I was invulnerable.

That's his quote. I'm a star. They don't even care what I do anymoreulnerable. That's his quote. I'm a star. They don't even care what I do anymore. That's when he figured it out. He goes, they don't bust stars. Holy shit, I'm invulnerable. I can take coke wherever I want. That's unbelievable.

What a great feeling, huh? Yeah. So 1979 season comes around. Cowboys, that season, draft Larry Bethea in round one, who you might remember from Crime and Sports fame past episode 40-something, where he—this is one of those bad ones—where he had stole a shitload of money from his mother and other people and blew his brains out in a crack house, outside of a crack house. So this is the start of that. Very sad ending.

This is the start of that, yeah. And during that episode, too, I gave several Hollywood Henderson quotes about Bethea. And I actually had to hold back a whole bunch of them because I was like, oh, we got to do Hollywood as an episode one of these days. I can't give too much Hollywood out. But they hung out a lot and did a lot of crack together. So that explains a lot for Larry Bethea there. Now, 1979 season, team goes 11 and 5. Not bad.

But they lose a playoff game to the redskins 35 34 and that's their big rival so that's not great uh doesn't matter though because henderson isn't there for this because he is uh has been sent home okay this happened in november they were playing the redskins in november uh they were being being beaten 34 20 it was an ass kicking it was thanksgiving was it was the end of the season. No, it was November 8th, I believe. They were getting their asses kicked. It was the end of the game.

Thomas is on the side. Hollywood's hanging out on the sidelines, and he's making faces at the camera, and he's smiling and all this. And he's waving around a handkerchief with the Cowboys team logo on it. Yeah. And so that pissed the management off. They're getting their asses kicked, and he's looking like everything is fun, and he's got this handkerchief going, ooh, Cowboys number one, while they're getting their asses kicked.

So they are very fucking mad about it. They asked Thomas about it, and he says he blamed it on Preston Pearson, his teammate. He said that Pearson asked him to show off the handkerchiefs because Pearson was marketing them, and so he was doing it as a favor. Coach Tom Landry didn't find it very charming and threatened to waive Thomas. Wow. And he ends up placing him on the reserve retired list on November 22nd, and he misses the last four games of the season in the playoffs, and he's done.

Basically just gets rid of him for this. I don't even want – he's a good player, makes the Pro Bowl the year before. He's such an asshole that he gets waived for that. Wow. Now, at this point, he's giving interviews, saying crazy shit. This is all Coke talk, and it's so funny because if you didn't know he was on Coke, you'd just be like, oh, this is interesting. When you're on Coke, you're like, oh, he's just on Coke.

That's all he's saying. He said, quote, I didn't say I was going to beg to come back to the Cowboys he's talking about. He said, although I'm not sure. He said he was supposed to apologize to Landry. And he said, although I'm not sure what about. He's like, I don't understand what the fuck I'm supposed to do. And he said, he said, if Landry says no, he doesn't want him back. He said, that's fine.

I could always write a tell-all book about the Cowboys and, quote, reveal all their secrets. So he's like, now he's blackmailing them, basically, here. He's saying, you know, yeah, they're going to cut me. Fine, I'll do that. He said he's spoken with Tom Landry, and he's, you know, hoping that it'll work out. But sources close to the team say that Landry said he will, quote, never take Henderson back. He says he does like Thomas as a person. He says he likes him.

He's a free-spirited guy. Quote, Tom likes Thomas' personality is what they said. Thomas and I don't have any problems except about him playing for the Cowboys is what he said at one point. So that's a problem because that's what he needs to do here. So he's saying he keeps talking more and more. He says he's going to write about the quote, hold truth about the Cowboys. He says he's going to accept a six figure offer that somebody has given him. Then he also says, quote, I want to give the Cowboys the right of first refusal. So you want to buy this book off of me? They're going to give me a hundred grand or two hundred grand. You guys are going to have to

give me double that. Yeah. And I'll make it go. Well,000, you guys are going to have to give me double that, and I'll make it go away. Well, yeah, I'll give it to them, and they can throw it in the garbage, but they own it, so it's fine. So he's basically saying, either way, you're going to pay me. He's doing like the fucking Goodfellas fuck-you-pay-me thing. He's got struck by lightning? Fuck you, pay me. I don't care. Wrote a tell-all book?

Fuck you, pay me. Going to play linebacker? Fuck you, pay me. You're going to pay me something, goddammit. Fuck you, pay me. You're going to play linebacker? Fuck you, pay me. You're going to pay me something, goddammit.

So then he starts talking shit, and he's like, I know they can play without me. He's like, but can they win without me? Look at last year. They didn't make the Super Bowl without me. He's talking shit. He says he's not willing to just play for any other team. He doesn't want to move to another city. He's not just willing to go anywhere.

He says, and this is his reason why he doesn't want to live anywhere else. He says, quote, I'm a pacifist. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I'm kind of scared to move to another city, adjusting to another society and pulling up my roots in Dallas. In other words, I don't know people who have coke there. I have all my coke connections here. I got a lot of whores that will come over and do whatever I want for a very little amount of money. I got a real good setup here. But he's talking about New Orleans.

He said New Orleans isn't bad. He said they play a flex defense there so he could fit in. He said also he worked at the, he says, quote, I know them bayous. I worked on an oil rig off Louisiana a couple summers when I was in college. Bourbon Street, jazz, you can go hear Fat Albert. I mean Herb Albert. So now he's making fun of Herb Albert on top of all of this. Nobody is outside of his.

That's incredible. No one's outside of his deal here. He said he's willing to play for a team on either coast. He's mostly looking for a coastal team. He said the Niners are interested in him, but he doesn't like the Niners. Don't you love him? I'll play anywhere that has nice weather and Coke. And Coke.

You got that? Is that good? Did I mention lots of women who are willing to do things for very little amounts of money? I like loose women. I like Coke. And I like beach communities. So New Orleans is decent for him. Or San Francisco, which he says.

He says about San Francisco, quote, they'll probably go 2-14 again. So he's not too happy about that. Yeah. Tell them they're a go 2-14 again. So he's not too happy about that. Yeah. Tell them they're a shit team. No shit. Now, he says about Landry, quote, I think he thought I was using the team for my own ventures. He did mention I had a poor game against Washington. I expect it to happen one of these days.

If it hadn't happened by now, it would probably have happened next year because i was going to ask for an astronomical amount of money so he's like fuck the cowboys now at this point uh he says that's all then he doesn't care screw them fuck this team yeah later on when he gets some sanity and less cocaine sobers up a smidge he says quote the day tom landry fired me it was like a plate crashing on a concrete floor breaking into 2 000 pieces okay this is when his life falls apart here, when he gets let go from the Cowboys. And under his own words, he said that he went crazy

quote, went crazy for the next 1,400 days. That's a shitload of crazy. That's a lot. That's like four years of crazy. Alcohol, cocaine, quaaludes, whatever he could get his hands on, he said. For four years. Four years. Left his wife behind.

Wow. Three-year binge. Just didn't care. Just complete and total binge. Just going nuts. He actually gets a TV gig here at one point. Really? February 7th, 1980, he's in an episode of Buck Rogers in the 25th century.

Oh, that's depressing. That's a bad show. It looks so terrible. That's a bad show. You've seen the show, right? Yeah, I've seen it. My stepdad, my stepfather watched garbage ass TV, like the worst shows ever. Jesus.

And that's one of his favorites. Oh, God. That's like a midget in a robot costume. It's just- It's depressing. It looks, yeah, it's like an R2-D2 knockoff or a C-3PO knockoff. So bad. The show description is, quote, a 20th century astronaut emerges out of 500 years of suspended

animation into a future time to become Earth's greatest hero. He's just some white guy in a jumpsuit. Earth's greatest hero. I don't think so. Thomas plays an Olympian. Meanwhile, if somebody was frozen for 400 years or 500 years, think about 500 years ago.

Oh, God. The 1400s, the 1500s. They're going to pop it in and out? They're going to pop into 2000 and be Earth's Greatest Hero? You get hit by a car in five minutes and it'll be over. What's that? Pow. Dead.

Done. There's Earth's Greatest Hero. Fucked. Dead. Can't operate an iPod. Nope. Jesus Christ. Can't do anything.

Just a mess. Can't get on the internet and shit. People are telling him to email him. He's like, I don't know how to do that. Russian hackers hack his email and it's all over. He's sending all his money to to email him. He's like, I don't know how to do that. Russian hackers hack his email and it's all over. He's sending all his money to Nigerian princes. He's like, he needs help. I'm Earth's greatest hero. I need to help

these people. I gotta hero that guy. Jesus Christ. That's ridiculous. Thomas plays an Olympian. Elgin Baylor's also in the episode. Okay. Who's a famous NBA Hall of Famer. May 15th, 1980, he signs with the San Francisco the episode. Okay. Who's a famous NBA Hall of Famer. May 15th, 1980, he signs with the San Francisco 49ers.

Yeah. That's what I'm talking about here. Problem is, he does not show up a lot. After three games of the 1980 season, he is waived. Oh, boy. Bill Walsh, the coach, then another silver-haired, middle-aged white man as they come, saw him high on crack cocaine and thought better of having him on the team. At one point, he fell asleep while stretching his hamstrings during warm-ups, which is a bad sign. Might be a little hungover.

That's hilarious. At that point, once he fell asleep, Bill Walsh told the GM. The GM had Thomas' checks, equipment, and shoes delivered to his condo doorstep the next morning. Here you go, asshole. You're fired. You don't need to come back. Don't even need to bring a box because there's all your shit. Can you imagine a box like that box that your fired box shows up on your front door?

Yeah, just dropped it off. With a picture of your wife in it. When you go to open your door to leave for work, you see that shit. You see that there. And you just know there's no work today. Well, he brought it. There's no work for me. The GM brought it personally and also told him, by the way, the Oilers are interested in you.

The Houston Oilers. There you go. We haven't told them you do a lot of coke. Literally, they hadn't told them anything. That's nice of them. So that was nice of them. While he was there, he missed so much time, they began referring to him as Holiday Hendersonenderson and hospital henderson instead of hollywood that's not great uh that's not you don't want to be that guy nfl players are vicious it's happening hospital it's happening holiday

henderson holiday i think that's my favorite i like holiday henderson myself here uh now september 24th 1980 he flies down to houston and signs as a free agent with the Oilers. They must have been desperate. Yeah. Yeah, he signs there. Bum Phillips, the coach, is very excited. He says he's going to give him a chance to prove himself. He said, quote, he didn't try to put any square pegs in round holes.

He's doing his thing. Bum was great. Bum was a crazy person. Now, Hollywood said about this, he says that Phillips told him that he's not going to hold anything against him that happened in the past. This is a fresh start. Hollywood said, quote, he said he has had a lot of ballplayers come through that have reformed

and he could give a player a chance as long as he could produce. I don't give a shit how much crack you smoke if you tackle somebody. That's all it is right there. He says, quote, I think the players are looking forward to me not talking but playing this team is full of characters full of personalities i'll have to play on this team so he needs to do it here uh he has a hamstring injury that year he only plays uh in about six games and uh the oilers actually make the playoffs that year and how about that they lose to the raidersiders in the playoffs. And he's not signed for the 1981 season at all.

Now, for the Oilers. Now, he says, quote, by that time I was smoking crack. Oh, boy. I couldn't even start cocaine anymore because my nose was just a big scab. Also, he couldn't afford it. Also, yeah, couldn't afford it. I started a relationship with crack cocaine and couldn't stop. He started a relationship.

It's very sweet. He's going to marry her. Yeah, you know. Quote, I was powerless. I was crazy. I came back to Dallas after the 1980 season with the Houston Oilers. John Wooten, who had played with Jim Brown, called

me one day to meet him. I was leery about meeting him, but I went anyway. John Wooten said to me, Thomas, we all know what's going on with you. Here's a card. Go get some help. I looked at him like he was crazy and left to go smoke some more crack. And I kept smoking crack, barely missing getting busted and all the ugly stuff that happens when you're running wild.

But I kept the card. He does keep the card. At one point during this time, he hits his wife. He slaps his mother. Fuck. He hit his mom. Jesus. When you slap your mom, that's too much crack.

You've done too much. You've done too much. That time and time. Your wife, too. I mean, the scab in your nose should have been enough. But then you hit your mom. Your wife, you can't can't hit either obviously but that's like one of those things that's common enough to where it's like it's terrible and if you're an asshole abuser you can make maybe say justify it in your own mind you can't hit your mom no one can hit their mom no

stop hitting your mom plus she'll shoot you with a 22 rifle sometimes so that's a good point why would you hit her you've seen how she responds to violence. It's fucking crazy, man. Now, he finally, late 1980, checks himself into rehab. He says, finally, I made the call to this rehab in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I told him I was coming. I smoke cracked the whole ride over on Braniff Airlines to Phoenix. In the spring of 1981, I go to this psychiatric hospital, and I was in that

facility for three months. During the time, I had surgery on my septum where they cut out the rot and sewed my nose back together inside. In this hospital, I never heard about the 12 steps. I never really paid attention to what that was all about. I thought that since I got my nose fixed and I got some sleep, I'd be okay. I'm in this place with people who have mental problems, and I don't think I'm anything like them. He also says he smoked crack on the steps of the clinic before he went in. And while he was in there, he had more coke smuggled into him between treatments. Jesus.

So that's the other thing he did. But February 13, 1981, there's articles out there. He's good now. I sidestepped the 12 steps by getting surgery and a nap. I'm good now. And the papers agree with him. He said, quote, drugs got me. When a person realizes they have a problem, well, it's like your arm stinks. You offend yourself first.

I was doing it, but I hated myself. I was beginning to be two people, the straight Thomas and the high Hollywood. He's fine now, though. He's fine. He said, from start to finish, all my life, from one extreme to the other, I didn't do a big assortment of drugs, mainly cocaine. I started with marijuana.

There were acids, everything, acids, multiple type. He's a connoisseur. The last five years, it's been cocaine. I got up to doing from a quarter to an ounce, to an ounce, to a half ounce, a quarter of an ounce, to an ounce, a half ounce in a day. That's terrible. I'm not proud of it. He's doing a half ounce of coke in a day.

That's so much. Holy shit. He said drugs almost forced him into bankruptcy, obviously. I can't believe they didn't. I know, right? He said he had to go into rehab no matter what the repercussions were professionally. into rehab no matter what the repercussions were professionally. He said he knew whatever the risk was,

that if the league looked down on him and he wasn't going to be able to play anymore. He had to. He still had to, basically. Yeah, he said at this point, he said, quote, I'd like to ask people to pray for me. I need their prayers. I'm in a bad way, but I'm hanging in there. So he really wants your prayers, man. He said getting fired from Dallas multiplied his drug association.

Sure. He said the fact that I didn't like myself said, getting fired from Dallas multiplied his drug association. He said, the fact that I didn't like myself after I got fired by Dallas, I was an occasional user then, which he wasn't, but he was saying that. He said, the strongest effect the Cowboys had on me was to triple my drug usage. Yeah, no shit. He then talks about how, obviously, Bill Walsh caught him

because he was on a bunch of coke and he doesn't fucking play that game. When he's in the hospital, he has a quote, though. He says, quote, I don't mean to sound arrogant from a hospital, but I'm still the best linebacker in football. Sitting in a fucking hospital bed, withdrawing from cocaine, he's the best linebacker in the NFL. He's the best linebacker in the NFL.

He's not in the NFL. Not even close. He's in a hospital bed, the opposite in the NFL. He's not in the NFL. Not even close. He's in a hospital bed, the opposite of the NFL. He says that in the papers, he's saying, everything's great. I'm good now. He said, it'll be a struggle, but I won't give up. I think I can play, and I'm going to play straight. I'm going to do all this.

Now, what really happened, not in the papers, in real life, treatment didn't work at all. He said, quote, I went back to Dallas after that treatment and just started drinking gin and tonics. I don't know, and I felt I had to use something else. I didn't think sobriety was an option. In other words, if they said anything about 12-step or recovery, I missed the boat on it. Shortly thereafter, I would go to Happy Hour in Arlington, Texas, and then find myself in a phone booth calling the Coke dealer. I never put that connection together. Okay, after you drink, you start to want to do cocaine.

It's true. Fuck yeah. So Don Shula is interested in him, another silver-haired, middle-aged white man from the Miami Dolphins. He said that Shula flew into the Dallas airport to meet him, and he said he loaded up on cocaine and went to meet Don Shula. Oh, my God. He got all fucked up. flew into the Dallas airport to meet him, and he said he loaded up on cocaine and went to meet Don Shula. Oh, my God. He got all fucked up.

He said, the high beams are on, and I'm talking to the great Don Shula. So Don Shula signs him. Wow. Don Shula had no idea this guy was on coke. He's like, he's all coked up. He should be fine in Miami in 1980. There's no coke down there. It's perfect.

So June 10th, 1981, he signs with the Dolphins for $125,000. Part of the deal is he must go to NA, Narcotics Anonymous, twice a week. Comes in, loses 15 pounds, gets in great shape. He says, if I can come in here and make this team, it will be a miracle for me. It will be a personal thing. I don't want any special treatment, just to be humble and get my job done. He says he's not looking for a starting job, special teams, punt kickoff coverage. That'll be great. I just want to be on the team. Now he's saying everything

right. Everything. Shula says if Thomas Henderson can give us anything near where he gave Dallas a few years ago, we have a fine football player. He's doing well. He said now he's breaking rules. Let's break another one. Quote, I've accepted Christ into my life.

Of course. I've become a Christian. It's been all in the past couple of weeks. That's all. Two weeks. Two weeks. He's so good with time management. He's good. He's efficient. Twelve steps is a surgery and a nap. Couple weeks. Two weeks and

I'm a Christian as fuck. He said, quote, I spent a lot of time with James Robeson, the evangelist. It's helped me. I hate to see my self-esteem go down or have stress lead me to depression. So now I get my comfort reading the Bible. Of course. So he's doing well.

He is set to make the team. Actually, he's going to make the team. They're predicting he might even be able to start at some point in the season. Like he's going to be a big deal. The final preseason game against the Chiefs that year, he breaks his neck. Oh, my God. He broke his fucking neck. Severe neck injury, broken neck, and a severe concussion to go along with it.

So he was fucked. Completely fucked. He's placed on the injured reserve list and not re-signed. He broke his C1 vertebrae, which is normally very, very bad, and that's the one that'll cripple you. That's the one that'll cripple you and kill you, honestly. Also, your breathing goes through there, I believe.

The spinal, whatever. He was set to maybe be a starter. He was unconscious for three days. Wow. Three days he was unconscious. He said that when his doctors told him he was done with football right then. Yeah.

So he was depressed. And when he woke up, the first thing he said is, you're not playing football anymore. You broke your neck. Then is there coke around? Well, he says, quote, while I was in the hospital in Miami, I had a girl come over with crack. I'm in traction in the intensive care unit, and I smoke crack right there in the bed in the ICU. My Christ.

That's a ballsy fucking move. He's sitting there with a rubber band around his head giving him traction for his smoking crack. He probably has a girl lighting it for him at the same time. His hands are probably strapped down. That's what's really happening on the fluff piece end of the world here in the newspapers. Quote, I'm feeling better. I'm just mad I can't participate. I miss everybody out there so much.

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In the end he said he just stopped by those teams to pick up a check. He really didn't want to play anymore. December 29th, 1981, this is ridiculous. He is pulled over. He is arrested in Dallas, outside of Dallas, in a suburb of Richardson. He's arrested for having a whole bunch of tickets. He gets pulled over. They do a routine computer check.

He had six outstanding traffic citations. So, yeah, he's taken to city jail where this is fucking ridiculous here. He calls two women to come post a $500 bond for him for the warrants, okay? They get there. One of the women steals a typewriter from a police station desk and walks out with it while he's leaving. Puts it in the trunk of her car, the car that Thomas was driving. Dallas, they were notified, the police. That lady stole the typewriter off the front desk there.

There was somebody making a police report, and she walked away with his machine. Write a report. We can't. They stole the typewriter. Shit, get that back. Then write a report. So can't. They stole the typewriter. Shit. Get that back. Then write a report. So the police pull them over. It's Patricia Smith of Richardson is the woman.

It's found in her trunk of actually Thomas's car. But she's in the car. Found there. They take everybody back to the police station. They book them in jail in connection with the theft. And they're each released on $1,500 bond. Thomas says, quote, I didn't do anything. That's why I'm mad.

He declined further comment. He was pissed. He's booked into jail along with her. So ridiculous here. Fuck, man. How stupid is that? How dumb. How dumb is that?

They find it on him. He's like, what do you mean, typewriter? I don't know what you're talking about. Apparently, a witness had seen him move the typewriter from the backseat to the trunk, too. OK. It was an IBM electric typewriter valued at $1,200. Wow. So back then, they were expensive.

Yeah. Now, February 2nd, 1982, a Dallas County grand jury declines to indict Thomas Henderson on a felony charge of stealing a $1,200 typewriter from the police department. He was accused of it, but they didn't. They do indict, however, Patricia Smith on the grand theft charge. They got the right one. They got the right one. I don't think he— That's crazy.

That's what a MacBook costs today. Dude, that's so nuts. It's a MacBook Air, absolutely. And it's got so much more technology. I would say. It's not just typing. Right. You know he walked down and was like,

bitch, what'd you take that typewriter for, motherfucker? What are you doing? What are you doing? Get me crack. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? That thing will get us a lot of crack. That's what she said. Now, he still played for the Cowboys.

While he still played for the Cowboys, they were talking about he's had a lot of shit fall by the wayside, basically. He was supposed to be in a movie about returning Vietnam veterans with a bunch of his teammates, and that fell through. He had at one point signed a deal to write his memoir, to write his life story, and the publisher even advanced him money. And then they ended up canceling that. So he wasn't making very much money at this point. Now, at this point, though, when the money started coming in for this sort of thing, before it all fell apart, he started feeling good again and started doing shitloads more coke.

Like, I feel good about this here. And then he found out everything fell apart, and he's still doing coke. So then he ends up working as a construction foreman for a little while. This is because in a period here in late October 83, he spent $15,000 in three weeks on cocaine. I can't afford that. No, definitely not. He got $7,500 from pawning an NFC championship ring, $5,600 from a final check he got for the Dolphins, and he had some other money.

He spent $15,000 in three weeks. My God. Which leads us to November 2nd, 1983. Yes. This is Ocean Boulevard in Long Beach. It's right by his house because he had moved to California at this point. He is in a hotel room and police come in and charge him with sexually attacking a 15-year-old paraplegic. Oh, what an asshole.

And a 17-year-old girl in his hotel room holding them at gunpoint and forcing sexual favors. What an asshole. And making them smoke crack. That's what they say. Now, the younger girl tells police that he pulled out a handgun and forced her to have sex with him while he assaulted, before he then assaulted both girls and threatened to kill them. Jesus Christ. Police found a.38 caliber handgun in his apartment, along with bags of, empty bags of coke and crack pipes and everything else he could find. He says he was solicited by the two girls, and then they robbed him.

So that's much better. You were only, oh, so you were only paying a 16-year-old quadriplegic for sex. I'm sorry, it was quadriplegic, not paraplegic. So you were only paying a 15-year-old paraplegic for sex. I'm sorry, you weren't assaulting her and robbing her and holding her gunpoint, making her do it. Well, that's much better. We're sorry, sir. Here, Jesus. Somebody get him, get him a drink and give him a ride home. This poor guy's been through a lot. Holy shit. He's been through a lot. Get him a crack pipe. Go in evidence and get him something. This guy, he needs something. He said,

quote, then he says later on he says quote i received a sexual favor from one for letting them smoke crack with me sex for crack that's the way it was jesus that's his defense his defense is i paid a 15 year old quadriplegic for sex with crack what the fuck's the problem i don't see the issue here i'm sorry am i missing something i can't i can't imagine what's the problem thinking that that's okay what the fuck man i can't imagine that's fine that's the story that's totally fine that's his story he's like what the fuck man that's what i'm sticking to and it's perfectly fine what the hell uh he's charged with two counts

of false imprisonment two counts involving sexual assault one count of furnishing cocaine to minors yeah uh they're all felonies and uh they all include that he had a gun, too. That's an aggravator in all of these. And that changes everything dramatically. Totally. He pleads innocent, saying that they had solicited him on the street and then tried to rob him. This is the total Lawrence Taylor. It really is.

And it's funny because Lawrence Taylor wears number 56 because he idolized Hollywood Henderson. So he idolized him to the point of having underage women in cocaine in hotel rooms and banging them for sex. Fucking crazy. What an emulation. That's nuts. Man, he's released on $16,000 bond. They set a preliminary hearing for all this to see if there's sufficient evidence.

He's going to be held over for arraignment. Whole deal. At this point, he has to give up his Super Bowl ring. Oh, no. Yes. He says, quote, I had to put it up for bail. I had to give them something so they didn't think I was going to run off to Canada.

And then the IRS seized it and put it up for auction. Ouch. So he lost his ring. They determined he owed $156,881 in back taxes. He disagrees with that, obviously. Of course. They ended up working out a number in the end. The ring was sold for $11,000 in 1984

to a guy named Robert Briscoe, who's a big Cowboys fan, who he ends up agreeing, saying he'll give it back to Thomas later, but then he dies. Oh, shit. And it goes into another thing. So the ring is out there. It's floating, and we'll find out about it. November 19th, 83, he pleads not

guilty. He spends three days in rehab to detox from drugs and then checks himself into a hospital. Thank God. So he's checked himself into a hospital now. Holy shit. This is good, probably. I don't know what's the wake-up call, losing your job over and over again, and then finally they're saying— For sure paying a quad for sex in Coke. Hey, you're raped a teenage quadriplegic

and, you know, that's gotta be a fucking low point, right? I mean, Christ, how could he feel sitting in that? He has nothing. Think about that. He's got nothing. Sold it all or snorted it all? Sitting in a rehab just waiting for them to come bring him medication to help him detox.

It's depressing. One nurse comes and there's a knock at the door and he opens it and it's not a nurse. It's Dexter Manley, interior decorator from New York City. And he says... How is it you've come to arrive here? Seriously, what are you... First of all, that beard? I know you think it's all,

it's like fine and you're going to get, it's trashy, okay, it's trashy. Are you smoking crack? Crack isn't, it's not classy

is what I'm saying. Hollywood, I get the name, I get what you're trying to do with the fur coats and all and you're smoking crack and we do all that. No,

it's not, you sir, I'm sorry, I have to say it, you're white trash, I'm sorry. You're white, you're white trash. I don't care how black you are. You sir, I'm sorry. I have to say it. You're white trash. I'm sorry. You're white trash.

I don't care how black you are. You, sir, are the whitest trash I have ever seen. Paraplegic for really. A quadriplegic for crack. That's crazy. That's terrible. You're just terrible. Poof.

And a poof of glitter and purple fur. He's gone. Sheet of print. He's out of there. So Thomas is very confused. He thinks it's got to Sheet of print. He's out of there. So Thomas is very confused. He thinks it's got to be the detoxing. He's like, wow, I must have smoked a lot of crack. I've done so much crack in this life.

Holy, who the fuck is that guy? My God, what a nutcase. So November 8th, 1983, he checks himself into the care unit in Orange, California. He says, quote, my attorney dropped me off, and by then, cocaine had taken me to such a back alley street. It took me from the penthouse to the crack house. Oh, my God. So that's his line there. Jesus Christ.

Oh, yeah, boy. Now, November 22nd, there's an article about him of 83 saying that he lived off his money. He was paid by the Dolphins. Yeah. I said, quote, he had, quote, a little money I had in my cookie jar. He said he was a construction supervisor. But he said, quote, I haven't really worked. I've been given certain positions because of my handicap and the severity of my injury, but only menial jobs with enough compensation to barely live on.

So he's saying that there. April of 1984, he is charged again. Oh, boy. He is now charged with, it wasn't bad enough that you tried to do all this with quadriplegic girls, but he now offered them $10,000 as a bribe for them to recant their stories. Oh, my God. You can't do that. Which looks terrible.

And he's charged with offering to bribe a witness. You can't do that. That's terrible. So he ended up having to plead. He pleads no contest to these charges because they kind of set him up on it. He was like, on recording, going, $10,000. Take charges because they kind of set him up on it. He was like, on recording going, $10,000 and my dick never touched it.

That's not okay. They're pissed off about that, obviously. Now he's got a preliminary hearing on that. He offered them $10,000, not even each, together. $5,000 a piece. To testify that he never molested them. That's what it was. Quote there. So,000. Five grand apiece. Five grand apiece to testify that he never molested them.

What the fuck? That's what it was, quote there. So, wow. June 11th, 1984, his sentencing. He had pleaded no contest and entered a treatment center there. He was in there for seven months. Yeah. And he ends up here.

The judge had revoked his $16,000 bail. And it's time for sentencing. And he says, you, sir, may fuck off four years and eight months in prison. That's light. With you, I think that's light also. I thought the same thing. He could have gone to prison for as long as 18 years. Yeah.

And he gets that. All right. He's got to be happy. The quadriplegic said, quote, I came here to see him go to jail. No matter what he gets, it isn't enough. So, yeah. It's true. They're not happy, these girls, at all.

Her life is bad enough. Yeah, no. I would say. That's crazy. The district attorney said he wasn't satisfied. He said, quote, I felt he should have done six years in eight months. Fair enough. I feel like he should do 18.

Prosecutors, their whole case. No, no shit. What's wrong with that? That's so crazy. It's fucking ridiculous. Why is that not a suitable sentence for that kind of thing? It seems like if you sexually assault a teenage quadriplegic, that's a problem. I feel like we need to make an example out of you at that point, especially when there's

crack involved. Right. So prosecutors, their whole thing was that he lured the two girls there and forced them at gunpoint to disrobe and made them give him oral pleasure. Sure. And he did the same with them. Jesus. And then he gave them crack.

That was what they said here. He went down on a fucking 15-year-old quadriplegic girl. Quadriplegic. Don't forget that. Did he take her out of the chair first? That's my question. That is so much. That is so much.

Yeah, no shit. That's so heavy. Shit. So seven months after being sober, he's- Forcibly went down. Unbelievable. It gets worse and worse, right? Good God.

So he's about to go to jail. By the way, he calls jail the best 26 months of his life, he said. 26 months? He ended up doing 26 months total. Wow. That's it. 26 months. Not Jewish.

That's half the sentence. That's half. 26 months. Not Jewish. That's like half the sentence. That's half his sentence. He talked about how it took a moment the night before he was going to jail. He said he was coming back from an AA convention in a $200 car that I was making payments on. The guy I was with – think about that. How much are the payments? How broke are you? I got 40 cents.

All right. I'll take that this month. How long is that? A $200 car that All right, I'll take that this month. How long is that? A $200 car that you're making payments on. Fuck, man. So he said, the guy I was with in the car wanted to get high. I was seven months sober about to go to jail the next day, and I had a decision to make. And he says he stayed sober there.

He said he stayed sober the whole time he's in prison, 28 months. He said he connected with 12-step programs. He, quote, fellowshiped with people who wanted to hear me. He starts getting super preachy and religious. So now he's found Jesus and he's telling others about it, which is a bad sign usually in our cases here. He says he was clean and sober and he was counting his days when he was going in. But he had both his first and second anniversary and got out right before the third anniversary, and he was clean and sober. And then?

He said it reminded me of where he'd come from. He said he's a tough guy. He got in a couple fights in prison. You have to stand up for yourself or you get run over. He said, I stood up for myself. He said, but otherwise it was crazy. He said he saw a guy get stabbed 14 times in front of him. Holy shit. He said that 28 months was better than the previous 28 months when he was in crack houses and alleys and cheap hotels with hookers, as he put it.

So, yeah. He talks about a guy getting stabbed 14 times in front of him. Obviously, that's a traumatic experience. And October 15th, 1986, he's released from prison. Okay. Released from prison. He says when he gets out, quote, I wish I would have never taken that first drink or smoked that first joint. Or raped that first quad.

I wish I would have never raped that first quadriplegic, boy. That was really my downfall. The coke was one thing. But when I sexually assaulted handicapped teenagers, that's where it really, that's where it comes together. If he'd never hit rock bottom yet, the second that he put his penis into a 15-year-old quadriplegic... Or his mouth on them. Either or. How does he not

go, I am a real fucking mess right now? I feel like I've crossed a line at this point. This girl's not here voluntarily, and either way, she's 15, so it really doesn't matter. I'm holding a gun on her. Oh yeah, I have a gun in my hand. While I'm buried in her face. That's not great. What the fuck? Gunpoint blowjobs? my hand. While I'm buried in her face. That's not great. What the fuck?

Gunpoint blowjobs? Bad sign. You've done bad at that point. If you're holding a gun... Face fucking a quad. Not good. Jesus Christ. With a gun to her temple. Fuck me. My Christ. Can you imagine that?

No! His thing was, they wanted wanted crack what's the big deal sex for crack what the fuck that's what it is what part of sex for crack don't you understand your honor excuse me your honor i don't understand i'm not gonna try to be a dick here but i wanted sex she wanted crack we made it? I don't understand what the deal is. Wow. Jesus Christ. I can't get through it.

It's amazing, man. He says when he got out of jail, he tracked down the fan with his ring. He said the fan promised to give the ring back one day, and then he was killed in a car wreck weeks after that. The fan's family demanded money from Henderson. Well, yeah. And he said he, quote, refused to buy something he felt he had earned by playing his guts out on the field. Fair enough, but they paid $11,000 for it.

They did. So you're going to have to at least pay that. They paid money for what you earned. Sorry. So from this time on, he's all about doing speeches. Yeah. Speeches about rehab, about turning your life around. About face fucking a quad.

About face fucking a quad. He gives really, there's one speech he does in Philadelphia where it's real, the detail of exactly how you can face fuck a quad properly is impressive. He does a demonstration. Right there on the steps where Rocky ran. He does a demonstration. It's very, very impressive, I'd say. It's very good.

All the charities picked up on that and they started hiring him. They were like, this guy, he's something. What the fuck, man? But he does tons of these speeches. From 86 to 2000, he says, I put almost 2,000 miles, or 2 million miles on American Airlines

and they probably lost his fucking luggage more times than he can goddamn count if he flew that much with American.bag piece of cunt fuck airlines. Fuck you, American. Sorry about that. He said, I've spoken at the Air Force Academy at major universities at lots of prisons. April 25th, 87, Larry Bethea shoots himself. Okay.

And Thomas comes out and he's like, I smoked so much crack with that guy. Holy shit. Wow. That guy, whoo-wee, so much crack. We tag-teamed a quad. Oh, man. Shh. Don't tell nobody.

So, 87, he releases his book. Yeah. It is called, quote, Out of Control, Confessions of an NFL. You're goddamn right. Yeah, bet your ass. Confessions of an NFL Casualty. Out of Control, Confessions of fucking quads in the face my god jesus christ man i can't imagine oh fuck that's nuts he says about the book it was painful

labor it wasn't very easy to bear my soul to the entire country and to try and not clean it up along the way he tries to be honest and it is. He talks about, this is just a book of, then I did coke with him, then I fucked her, then I did smoke crack with him. That's the whole book. It's a great read. It's a fun read. He went from consensual sex with a pointer sister to fucking face

fucking a quad against her will. Forcibly. Against her will. At gunpoint, mind you. At gunpoint. Not just against her will. Imminent death. Threatening. Not just, I'll punch you. If you drag your teeth, you're dead.

Yeah. If I get a little touchy, I'm going to blow your fucking brains out with my dick inside of you. Oh, my God. Terrible. That is so nuts. So, he says the book is all about being savagely cruel to himself and and also others. He said, quote, no one can read my book and come away saying this self-serving jerk. They're going to come away saying this man is brutal to himself.

I truly believe that. Then he says, not just to himself, not just to himself. He says, quote, what I set out to do was name about 15 or 20 of the biggest stars in the United States and say, hey, I snorted coke with that guy. And this is where we did it. And this is what we were doing when we did it. God, he's a hatchet man. So now he's going to come in and just blow up everybody's spot because he says, I think

it's good for them if everyone knows. It's like, maybe they've cleaned up their act and the world doesn't need to know their problems right now. Maybe they're good people and haven't raped any fucking 15-year-olds. Maybe they know how to keep their shit together. Right. That's the problem. There's a difference.

Like, I don't care if you do drugs. No. If you do it by yourself and you're having a great time- Knock yourself out. Keeping your life together, fine. When you're affecting other people and forcefully face fucking quadriplegic 15-year-olds. He hit his mom. He slapped his mother.

Yes. He left fucking teams in the lolds. He hit his mom. He slapped his mother. He left fucking teams in the lurch. He left all these people. How many girlfriends, wives? He has kids that are left behind. Teams. 15-year-old paraplegics in fucking hotel rooms. I feel bad for all of these people, Jimmy.

But not nearly as bad as I feel for Thomas Henderson, a sales and logistics professional in the greater Atlanta area. Jesus. Specializes in logistics and supply chain. Thomas Henderson, president and CEO at Accord Financial Corp. in Greenville, South Carolina. All right. Important fella here. I hope he doesn't think people don't think he's face fucking quadriplegics. That's so crazy.

And finally, Thomas Henderson, who is a student athlete at Marist College. So if you look up athletes, anything like that, he is the whitest, dorkiest looking kid you'll ever see in your life. He's the anti-Thomas Henderson. Keep it together, sir. Keep it together. Yes, he's also an office clerk at Tough Law and Lawn Services. Of course he is. He's doing very well.

Recovery speeches he's making like crazy. His shrink says, quote, he's a psychiatrist, quote, he is known as a guy not only a guy who no longer drinks or uses, he's known as the most spectacularly recovering football player. Who else can

tell it like he can? In a weird way, his ego helps him by having gone public, which is true. He's got this ego, so if he says, hey, I'm sober and it's public and all that, he feels like he's got In a weird way, his ego helps him by having gone public, which is true. He's got this ego. So if he says, hey, I'm sober and it's public and all that, he feels like he's got to live up to this shit. He says, though, 12-step programs aren't for everybody. He says they're for people who want them. We shouldn't shove our elbow down someone's throat with sobriety.

He says he's been lucky to work with a lot of people. I don't try to tell anybody what to do or impose my current behavior on them. I just say I don't drink. I don't do drugs. I don't care what other people are doing. Fair enough. That's a weird way of saying that. I would say. He says everything like that.

You shove shit down people's throat. Elbow first. Elbow them down his throat. Here you go. Yeah. He's doing it wrong. Again, you're doing it wrong. Jesus Christ.

You do everything wrong, sir. You do everything wrong. Everything from sexual assault to everything. Everything's done wrong. He makes speeches and videos. You do everything wrong. Everything from sexual assault to everything. Everything's done wrong. He makes speeches and videos. He makes institutional videos offered to rehab facilities, including one called Yes, I'm Still Clean, which consists of him kind of hanging out with a three wood on his arm there on his shoulder talking some shit.

Early 1990s, he and his second wife divorce. He moves back home, again breaking another rule and moves back to Austin. But he does this. He's making good money from all these speeches. He purchases a house in a shit neighborhood he's from for $38,000. Good deal. Has it renovated. Yeah. Buys the adjoining lots and builds a pool and a guest house.

Wow. Builds a big fence around it with bars with, of course, a TH on the ironwork. Because the hubris of this fucking guy is ridiculous. Bars with, of course, a T-H on the ironwork because he's a hubris of this fucking guy. It's ridiculous. Yeah, he said that his neighborhood was calling to him and that he can't extract his past from his present. And he says that he wants to give back to his neighborhood. This place is still mine, he says.

I know it like the back of my hand. 1993, he's at a dinner in Dallas with his girlfriend. Okay, they're sitting there eating dinner. She pulls out a jewelry box and says she has a surprise. He opens it, and it's a Super Bowl ring. Wow. Which is fucking amazing. Yeah.

He says, quote, it was 1992 or 1993. This girlfriend had paid $11,000 to buy the ring back and tells me when she gave it to me, you deserve this. I just lost it. I bawled like a baby. So he got it back, and it was somebody bought the ring from that family and literally just sold it to them at cost. That's great. He was a Cowboy fan, and he felt bad, and he wanted Thomas to have his ring, so he just said, give me what I paid for it. Right. Which is nice.

It was $11,000. It didn't go up in 10 years of auctions and purchases. So good for him. So 1997, he writes an open letter to the readers of the Dallas Morning News, basically saying that, you know, he's sorry. It's a mea culpa on everything. I smoked a lot of crack and I did a lot of shit and I was a dick and I lied to people and I was terrible, but I'm better now and everything's fine. It's a pretty ballsy move, honestly. But some of the things he said are kind of funny here. He says that he insists in this article that even in the midst of his darkest moments, he subsisted by a certain code of honor that he even endeavored to pay his drug dealers on time because he had grown up believing in making good on one's debts.

And he also reiterates that although he most certainly did not have sexual relations with a woman in a wheelchair in exchange for providing her with crack cocaine. Not that women in wheelchairs don't smoke crack cocaine, he says. He said that. He did say that. Not that they don't. I'm not trying to offend nobody. Right. But he said he did engage in some things that, in retrospect, were, quote, not especially savory, like mouth-fucking a 15-year-old quadriplegic for crack.

He says he didn't have sexual relations with her, yet he was convicted of the shit. He was convicted of it. And they were in court going, he put his dick in my mouth against my will. With a gun. At gunpoint. And crack tastes weird. Those are not things that you want a 15-year-old girl in a wheelchair saying in court. Those are all bad.

Those are all bad. All bad. Unbelievable. He said that he's trying to, he feels good to admit it, to let it all go. And so he said there's a certain amount of ego to admit it, to let it all go. And so he said there's a certain amount of ego to that also, but it's okay. 1999, John Daly, the golfer, the big, fat, smoking, crazy golfer. Guy's amazing.

We'll do him someday. I love him so much. We'll definitely do John Daly someday. He's coming. He's a hero. He's like a live show kind of a guy, too. He does not give a fuck about anything. You want to see pictures of him. He's a live show kind of a guy.

He's a monster. John Daly is apparently about to commit suicide. Really? Yeah. Henderson says, quote, I'm in my bed and my phone rings. It's John Daly. I hear the gunning of an engine. He said, I'm on a mountaintop.

I said, John, what are you talking about? He said, there will be no more John Daly tomorrow. Thomas says, I started to cry. I said, you can't do this. The world ain't done with John Daly. I said, John, I never asked you to do anything, but will you do me a favor? I said, go home. Please just go home. So he went home. And Daly later on in an article in the New York Post says that he was two feet away from cutting his car off the mountaintop. So this is actually happened. He saved John Daly's life, which is odd. Thanks, Hollywood. Thanks, Hollywood.

He saved his life. He saved John Daly's life, which is odd. Thanks, Hollywood. Thanks, Hollywood. November 1999, he raises $300,000. Really? He does a fasting for seven days to raise money and raises $300,000 to build a football stadium and track in his hometown. Really?

A better football field and a better track so these kids have somewhere to play in his hometown. Heroic. Heroic. Not bad at all, right? Doing well at this point. How did he turn this page? What the fuck, right? Where's this guy? Where was he 20 years ago?

Where's he been? Where have you been, Thomas? Come on, Hollywood. March 2000. Yeah. Thomas plays the lottery all the time. He buys $100 worth of quick pick lottery tickets at a pharmacy near his home. He goes out golfing, goes to the golf course, and he gets a call on the way home from the He buys $100 worth of quick pick lottery tickets at a pharmacy near his home.

He goes out golfing, goes to the golf course, and he gets a call on the way home from the golf course from his ex-wife telling him it was on the news that someone at the pharmacy got the winning lottery ticket. So he says he got in the truck. He checked his ticket and found out he had the winner. Jesus Christ. He had the winner. No. His winning numbers were 5, 8, 17, 35, 38, 41. Quote, I'm the winner.

I'm the only ticket holder here in Texas. It's a blessing. No, it's not. It's a blessing. He's won the lottery way too many times. No shit. Just for being here still. For not being in prison, you win the fucking lottery.

What did he win here, though? How much? $28 million. Oh my god! Way more money than he made. Fucking way more. Whole team's not worth $28 million when he plays. Good Christ. He takes the lump sum and after taxes and everything, he gets a check for a cool $10 million.

That's a guy that's dumb. That's what that is. Shit, I'd take the $10 million. Would you? I'd take the $28. Any financial person tells you you take the lump sum because then you can invest it how you want rather than having it be sold to you. Plus, you might not live that long and then it would happen. That's a good point. Any financial guy says take the lump sum and then you work your own money, basically. But whatever.

I don't know. They asked him how he's going to spend his money, and he said it looks like his ex-wife will get some. He said, quote, she's looking to retire. You know how ex-wives are. That was my NFL wife. She deserves it. I would say so after that. They said, what did you do after you won? He said,

he learned he hit the lottery and he went to 7-Eleven and got a sausage and egg biscuit, a few powdered donuts, a pint of milk, and went home and went to bed. Vile. That was his thing. What a disgusting celebration. Even I would have bought a ton of cocaine. And I hate cocaine. I would have bought a ton of cocaine and I hate cocaine. I would have bought pounds of it.

Mountains of cocaine. I probably would have called a certain 15-year-old girl and chipped her off a few bucks. I think that would probably be the best thing to do. Hey, I'm really sorry about the way we met. Here's maybe a new wheelchair for you. Shit. He said his first big purchase was a four-year-old Mercedes-Benz.

He said, quote, yeah, I bought a used car but that's what's really funny is I was doing well even before winning the lottery. I was doing really, really well with my films and lectures. I was already blessed. He claims that he was already a millionaire before that. Really? Yeah. He says the Dallas Morning News asked him what does he do now that he won the lottery? What does his day consist of?

And he said, quote, not a damn thing, and I don't start that until after lunch. How about that? That's a good – that sounds great. Not a damn thing, and I don't start that after lunch because that's when I wake up. Because that's when I wake the fuck up. Now, he also admits that there's some tuggings at him. He said, quote, man, this physical strain came over me. I felt the weight of the world was on me that night.

I felt the fear. You know, can I handle it? Could I stay sober? Because it was a great moment for champagne. It would have been a great time for some cocaine. That's when you break the crack out at that point. He said, quote, I was already worth maybe two million when I won, so I splurged on my family. He bought new homes for his two ex-wives. Wow. That's very kind. His daughter a relationship. His daughter, Teresa, or Tomasa, gave her a house and gave $10,000 each to 50 friends and relatives. Wow. He also went and he gave Roger Stahl back. I guess he invested a business deal with Thomas.

And he gave Thomas the money back that he had invested in there, plus 20% interest to clear that all. And also the guy who sold him the ticket at the pharmacy, he gave him $10,000. That's nice. Also. All of a sudden now, all of a sudden in the fall of this year, he surprises local officials by proposing to use $1 million to jumpstart a long-stalled city plan to build 74 moderately priced homes in East Austin. Wow. He's now going to – he's formed a nonprofit corporation. He said it would help about two dozen – he would develop about two dozen lots and then

use the sale proceeds to build additional houses for underprivileged people. So now he's going to city council meetings trying to build affordable housing for people. This is ridiculous. What the – I hope none of them are in a wheelchair. Yeah, no doubt. Where did this guy come from? That's what I'm saying. 2002, inducted into the Langston University Athletic Hall of Fame.

He started a charity that year, Eastside Youth Services and Street Outreach, and made major donations in the East Austin community. 2004, he has a new book and video out. It's a follow-up volume called In Control, a combination of his own personal

12-step manual and tying up the loose ends of his life. All the profits for all these ventures now go to charity since he won the lottery. 2005, he moved down to Boca Raton, hanging out in Florida. He likes to golf every day. You know what else he does? Still plays the lottery. Won another

50 grand. Another if he won the lottery again. Twice. Fucking twice. I hope he gave that to the girl plays the lottery. Won another 50 grand. What? Another if he won the lottery again. Twice. Fucking twice. I hope he gave that to the girl in the wheelchair. Jesus Christ. What the fuck, man? The luck that this man has. By 2011, he's playing golf about 20 hours a week.

March 2011, he plays in a celebrity tournament. He's paired with Winky Wright, the boxer. There's Michael Jordan has in there, Wayne Gretzky and somebody. Drew Brees has got a four. It's ridiculous, man. Ridiculous. January 16, 2016, he is honored by the NFL with a Golden Football Award given to his high school in honor of him.

Frederick A. Douglas High School for producing a Super Bowl champion player. On Facebook, I looked at the event. It had 21 people went and 28 people were interested. I don't know how big of a deal. 49 people gave a fuck. Gave a flying fuck. So, May 2017, Thomas is concerned about Tiger Woods. Tell the fuck out.

Calm down, sir. Calm down. He's fine. Yeah, he's all right. He'll do fine. He doesn't need you. He's got enough money. He's good. He. He says he's all right. He'll do fine. He doesn't need you. He's got enough money. He's good. He said

that the mugshot. Tiger Woods didn't resort to quadriplegics yet. Hooters waitresses, but not quadriplegics. He's still getting porn stars. That's right. He said that that mugshot was like a flashback to an earlier era when he said he was routinely high and drunk. He said, quote, when I saw

the picture of Woods, I said, man, I know that gaze. I've looked at myself in the mirror with that gaze. I feel bad for him. I know he's got a tight circle of people around him, but I'd love to have a tough ass conversation with him one on one. I'd love to lecture a billionaire, even though I've never met him before. He doesn't know me. I'd love to watch that happen. I would love that. That would be a great put that shit on YouTube. What's your name again? Who the fuck are you? Didn't you fuck up Quadric Collegiate in the face? I don't think I'm going to listen to you.

December 17th, 2017, he's inducted into the Black College Football Hall of Fame. Good for him. Can't get enough of Thomas Hollywood Henderson? I certainly can. You can go on eBay and get an original 1979 7-Up, the soda,

7-Up poster. It's a poster of him with a signature on it and put out by 7-Up, the soda 7-Up poster. It's a poster of him with like a signature on it and put out by 7-Up. Sure. It's an original $18.99 plus free shipping. Also, FMS Productions, you can get, quote, Prevention to Recovery, the Thomas Hollywood Henderson DVD, the best of Thomas Hollywood Henderson DVD. It is 53 minutes long of him speaking at a podium. This costs $249. My God.

On sale from $349. On sale. Holy shit. There's nothing in his life that's worth that to me. Fuck no. Besides that lottery ticket, I don't think, and that Super Bowl ring. And also, thriftbooks.com. You can get a copy of Out of Control, Confessions of an NFL Casualty.

It's only $3.79. Beautiful. And I have to order this fucking book because I read portions of it in different spots, and it's really entertaining, and I want to read the rest of it. It's great stuff. That is Thomas Hollywood. Holy shit. Henderson. What a goddamn mess.

That's what I mean. I couldn't let that fall by the wayside and let only 300 people hear that. We can't have that. The world needed to hear this story they really didn't any of that it's crazy nuts dude it's a crazy ass story straight it's 100 bananas there's the whole thing there's no reason that that whole story should be like no crack quadriplegic lottery what the fuck is going on in this story it feels feels fake, right? It does. That's a fake, stupid movie. It feels as genuine as Forrest Gump. Exactly. It's so ridiculous.

That's exactly what it is. It's so ridiculous. He's Black Forrest Gump is what he is, but smart. It's very weird. If you like that story, please, as always, get on iTunes. Give us five stars. It's so, so helpful on the business end, really. If you like us even more than that and you want to be a superstar superhero like our amazing producers that we're going to have a long list of here in a moment, you can do that by going to Patreon dot com slash crime in sports.

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Also Phoenix, March 25th. Come out and see us there. Live shows are so fun, you guys. They really are so much fun. I'm telling you guys. Honestly, we were blown away by how well the show translates live. We didn't know, hey, maybe it'll be, nope, it's 10 times better live. Not even just our show.

So great. We did it with Dan in Detroit. Oh, it was great. It was great. Mixing his with us. It was fantastic. Yeah, if you see Dan Cummins coming around doing that, go to him, too. Go see his shows. He knows how to to him, too. He knows how to do

this, too. He knows how to do a live show. He's a performer. He's a comic. He's not going to disappoint you. It'll be boring. It's going to be really good stuff. So do that. And with all that said, Jimmy, why don't you hit us with the list of our favorite people in the world, the producers. Let's have it. This week in Boston was fucking incredible, and I can't

thank you guys enough. Adam Sheehy came through with so many favors and so many incredible things for us. Thank you. He really made just those shows fucking phenomenal. He took pictures. He helped us out with other things.

He went to the store. He did. It was like the guy was the best, man. He just did everything we needed him to do and more. A great person. Thank you, Adam, so much. Thanks for hanging with us, brother.

And his wife, too. It was really cool. Thank you. A friend. Friend. That's his friend. Oh, that wasn't his wife. She told me, no, not girlfriend, not, so much. Thanks for hanging with us, brother. And his wife, too. It was really cool. Thank you. His friend. Friend. That's his friend. Oh, that wasn't his wife. She told me, no, not girlfriend, not wife, friend.

That's my friend. This lady brought, they were very nice people. They came together. Yeah. They were opposite sex with each other, but they may just be platonic. Hey, that's cool. And Adam's got a cool car. He does.

She should fuck him, because he's got a great car. Nice. And a cool job. And a cool job. Whatever. I'm not going to give too many insights into that guy's cool. And Adam's got a cool car. He does. She should fuck him because he's got a great car. Nice. And a cool job. And a cool job. Whatever. I'm not going to give too many insights into that guy's life. We have a lot of shout outs. He's fantastic.

He's great. Thank you, Adam, for everything. Chrissy Ann Castaldi, Maria Montague, Chandra Banton. She's in Texas. She's fucking. These three. Maria Montague has been listening for a long time, and then she just got her tax return and just chipped us off this ridiculous. It was so sweet.

Thank you. Thank you three for being the executive producers this week as well as Sarah Gilbo. You guys do so much for us that we just can't do without you guys. So thank you very, very, very, very much. Thank you so much. Lisa Williams, Michelle Jolly in Australia. Thank you, Michelle. Janet. Janet Michelle Jolly in Australia. Thank you, Michelle. Janet Holmes.

She donated twice this week. It may have been once a week, and I just haven't done this in two weeks. So thank you, Janet. Yeah, we've been sorry about that. It's been a brutal couple of weeks. We couldn't do it live. Right, exactly. If we did, you wouldn't have heard it anyway.

Right. Thanks, Kyle. If you were at that show, you'd know what that means. Fucking Kyle. God damn it, Kyle. Janet Holmes. That was it. Jessica Roth, you'd know what that means. Fucking Kyle. God damn it, Kyle. Janet Holm. That was it. Jessica Rothwell.

Abby Kulhanek. Robert Wibble. Wibble. W-I-B-L-E. Wibble? Wibble. Shit. I went with Wibble.

I don't know. It might be Weibble. Weibble? I could see that. It's better than Weibble. Robert Weibble. Yeah. Garrett Eder.

Cynthia Mackey. Chastity Altman. Jesse Hartman. Aaronble. Robert White. Yeah. Garrett Eder. Cynthia Mackey. Chastity Altman. Jesse Hartman. Aaron Brown. Misty Keene. Kasten Johnson. Or Kasten Johnson. God damn it.

I never remember. I think it's Kasten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kasten Johnson. Chelsea Hanson. Amanda Parker. Sarah Gilbo, of course. She donated three fucking times this week.

Thank you, Sarah. Thank you, Sarah. Elizabeth Britton. Ashley Curry. Thank you very, very much. Elizabeth Britton. Ashley Curry. Thank you so much. Thank you, Sarah. Elizabeth Britton, Ashley Curry, thank you very, very much. Elizabeth Britton, Ashley Curry, thank you so much. Michelle Coyne, The Color Chick,

thank you very much. I don't know what The Color Chick is. I imagine she does hair somewhere. Google The Color Chick and take care of her. Susan Manning, Jacqueline Howard, Dana Grayson, of course. He came through. It was great to fucking meet you. Yeah, man. Great to meet you in Boston. That was so awesome. Thank you so much. We got to meet a few of the Linda Cross that we got to meet. A bunch of our friends that we... The Egan sisters. Yeah, the E Great to meet you in Boston. That was so awesome. Thank you so much. We got to meet a few of the Linda Cross that we got to meet. A bunch of our friends that we... The Egan sisters. Yeah, the Egan sisters. She's terrific.

And Hannah Camerson, thank you for driving so far to Detroit. She drove from fucking Oklahoma. Thank you for coming to see us again. Unbelievable. Thank you. Tasha McCoy, Seth Anderson, Tammy Curtis, Julie Skinner, thank you very much. Megan Rixon, Emily Irvin, Julian Basarge,

Julian... Jillian Basarge. God damn it. There you go. Caitlin Kennedy, Tyler Scott, William Melanson. I think that's the guy in Boston. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's very confrontational on Facebook when you shit on his patriots. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Maybe win the Super Bowl next year. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we win the Super Bowl next year. Yeah, you know. Ewa Tarowska. Brent Anctil.

A-N-C-T-I-L. Anctil? Anctil. I'll bet it's Anctil. A-N-C-T-I-L. Anctil? Anctil. I think it's Anctil.

Yeah. I don't know. Katrina. Sorry, Brent. Katrina Anhofer or Anhofer. Michael Worman. Yeah, Michael Worman. Tiffany Robertson came to the Detroit show.

She was the one that bought the tickets that it was a mix-up between shows. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we accommodated her and made sure she got in to see both shows.

Definitely. Thanks for coming. Then she wanted donated money so we could buy drinks in Boston. That was so cool. Thank you.

So much, Tiffany. It was great to meet you. Kate Watson, Lori Murphy, Kathleen Thill continues to support and sent me so many birthday gifts. Thank you, Kathleen, for everything. We'll see you March 25th at Stand Up Live.

Definitely. And thank you, Heather Jean, too, for Detroit. She gave us cookies and a book. She brought hugs, a book, and then she sent fucking hats. And T-shirts. Yeah. That was so cool. Thank you to Detroit.

We really appreciate that. Thank you. Autumn Allen. I think I said that. No, I didn't. Autumn Allen times two. She donated twice this week. Thank you to Detroit. We really appreciate that. Thank you. Autumn Allen. I think I said that. No, I didn't. Autumn Allen times two. She donated twice this week. Get her, twice.

Peter Blyme or Bleen. Shannon Feltus. That's weird. Feltus? I don't know. Feltus. That's brutal. It's legitimately spelled Feltus.

If you were in her seventh grade class, you'd never live that down. I'm so sorry, Shannon. I would have been a dick to you. Grace Soto. Downward Dog Pet Services. Some never live that down. I'm so sorry, Shannon. I would have been a dick to you. Gray Soto, downward dog pet services. Some hippie pet services. Yoga pet services. Do they make your dog do yoga? Is that what it is?

My dog wouldn't do yoga. No, my dog would shit on your leg. Monge in the UK. He donated again. Thanks, Monge. He's terrific. Amy Keys, Mariah Montague, of course. She donated on Patreon and she donated over on PayPal. So thank you. Thank you, Mariah Montague, of course, she donated on Patreon and she donated over on PayPal.

So thank you. Thank you, Mariah. Maria, Jesus. Kimberly Watson, Ashley Boxler, she donated twice. Crocheted My Little Heart Out. I don't know what that is, but Google it and take care of them. Lori Carter, James Cook constantly donates. I think he's in England.

Thank you so much. I think that's where he is. Thank you, James. I appreciate the hell out of that. David Bunnell, Gene Mena, James Aselta, Stephen Mack. Thank you so much. I think that's where he is. Thank you, James. I appreciate the hell out of that. David Bunnell. Gene Mena. James Aselta. Stephen Mack. No, Mace.

Damn it. I'm sorry, Stephen. You've donated before. I've seen your name before, and I just ruined it. I've never called you Mack. Stephen Mace. Tracy. Tracy Totcher.

Totcher. Shit. I don't know if that's Totcher. Totcher and Feltus. That's a good legal term. It's like some kids. Yeah. Totcher, Feltus, if that's toucher. Toucher and feltus. That's a good legal phrase. It's like some kids. Toucher, feltus, and feel up. That's hilarious.

Marika Sand. Patricia Scharr. Patricia Scharr. Patricia. Nobody's ever said that before, ever. Patricia Scharr. Sorry. Amy Keller.

She's donated before. Thank you, Amy. Paul Roust. Or Roust. Roost. Roost. It's Paul Roost. you, Amy. Paul Roust. Or Roust. Roost. Roost. It's Paul Roost. He's the one that makes all those memes on Facebook.

He's fucking amazing at it. Appreciate that. Kyle Airy. Lindsay Sikora. Elizabeth Tebow. Ryan Greave. Tara Jenkins. Deborah Burrell.

Burrell. Burrell. Thank you so much, Deborah. That was a nice one. Thank you. Definitely. Thank you. Timothy Jenkins.

Toby Arnott. Jake Laber. Laber. Labier. Thank you. Definitely. Thank you. Timothy Jenkins, Toby Arnott, Jake Labier. Labier. No. The law firm of Labia felt us. Come on. Jesus Christ.

It's too much. Is that for real? I think it is. Jake Labier. It may be Labier. It's probably Labier. It's probably Labier. Let's go.

It could be Labier. I think he's trying to it sound like LaVere as much as he can. Chander Banton, thank you. Shandell Healy, Sam Sullivan, Dolce Thompson, Raquel McDonald, Lisa Pashuris, Pashuros, Pashuros, I don't know, Kathy Schmedicke, Katie Schmedicke, damn it, Joshua Cobb, Mitchell Bowler. Derek Hillenburg. Don O'Connor. Michelle Reinholdt.

I want that to be related to Judge so bad. Pierce DeCorey. Tanya R. Pinion. Tanya R. Pinion. Yes. Pinion. Fuck. Travis Saunders.

Brad Welch. Amanda Berry. Oh, is that the chick that was kidnapped in Ohio? Wasn't that Amanda Berry? I'm not sure. I don't know for sure. Hopefully she's a fan of the show. It appears so.

Good deal. Daniel Ebersole, Eric Rau, Manda Johnson, Katie Turow, Unity Bowling, Marissa, Christine. I don't know. Marissa didn't have a last name. Christine Peterson, Michael Bate, Mike Bate, Kyle Marler. Yeah, Kyle Marler. Mike Bate, Kyle Marler, Amy Heilers, Cody Spence, Orla Buckley, Laura Verner, Matthew Morris, Christine Gentine. Gentine. Shit.

That's a tough one. G-E-N-T-I-N. T-I-N-E. That's Gentine, right? Probably Gentine. Right. Megan Walker, Brooke Fabian, who exchanged shirts with me in Boston, by the way, which is a hilarious story that I'm not going to tell right now. But thank you, Brooke.

I really appreciate that. And especially the story. That's fucking hysterical. Dusty Paddock, Brandon Miller, Sarah McCullough, Shanna Walter, Dan Rogers, Leslie Kidd, Tim Sprague, Lily Frank, Bobby Vint, Tyler Cameron, Lee Brown, Eric Strebing. Strebing. Eric Strebing. Sound drunk saying that Lee Brown, Eric Strebing, Seth Anderson, Guy Gax fan, Chris Coles, Kerry Clark, Vince Nostico, Tim Amerin, Alicia with no last name, Adam Jones, Scott Sewell, WhyIsMomWeird. I don't know what that is, but Google that shit. That's cool.

Potsterer Podcast. Thank you, guys. Alicia Sebastian Rhodes, Kelsey Hebert. She sent me a nice gift today, too. Thank you, Kelsey. Kelsey Brinkerhoff, Tina Patterson. No, Tina Peterson. Jacob Mayhew, Athena Hippias, Camm Rock, Dakota Clever, Susan Deguia, I don't know.

I thought we were getting through the rest of that list. Alicia Ferris, Sarah Webb, Kathy Wicher, yeah, that's Wicher for sure. Amanda McAllister. Saisha Sandoz. And Andrea LeCount. Wow, that could have tripped me up. Yeah, I could have been a real asshole. Kim Kinney. I could have been doing some editing on that. Brittany with no last name. Kelsey, no, no. Yeah, Kelsey

Murphy. Katie L. I don't know if L is the last name. Melanie Wilmington. Joe Brown. Shelly Warners. Carrie Winters, Maria Montague, again. Laura Kopp, she's over on Snapchat. She's fantastic. Thank you so much, Laura. Travis Tim, Teresa Steernagel.

Steernagel. That's pretty. I think so. That's simple. Close enough. Sean Wickham, Kevin Lee Maness. Yes. Chris Garver, Buck with no last name. Jordana McGuire.

Ryan Glasheen. Cameron Santo. Michael Tele-fucking-what? No. Michael Tele-fucking-what? Michael Trekarica. That's it. Trekarica.

He sent snail mail to us. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, man. Zachary Brinkerhoff-Sassinia. What? You don't need this hyphen.

Just pick a name. No. Just Brinkerhoff, right? Yeah, that's You don't need the hyphen. Just pick a name. No, just Brinkerhoff, right? Yeah, that's enough. Because I can do that one. That one's fucked up. Or the other one, but not both. Sesinha is brutal. It fucks you over with the Brinkerhoff.

How do you get Brinkerhoff and then hyphen Sesinha? Stop that. Somebody liked it ethnic. Right. I can appreciate that. Jenny Holcomb, Lindsay Hardy, Hunter Kretzinger, Melissa Milan, Landon Griffin, Elizabeth Kelly, Clarice Edgerton, and Amy LeBlanc, Nicholas Jacob, Melanie, Melanie Stewart Bouchard. That's it.

No, it's not Bouchard. That is Bouchard. Jesus. Kat, with no last name. I think that's Kat in New York. Kat, yeah. Lisa Schneer, Kev the Quantum Kevins, Monica Coy, with no last name. I think that's Kat in New York. Kat, but yeah. Lisa Schneer. Kev, the Quantum Kevins.

Monica Coy. Alina Farika. Alina Farika. Liam Dealy. Liam Dealy. Shauna Brazelton. Alana Bush. Shalana Surrett.

Fucking, how did I get all those together? Man. Those are, that's a lot of S's. That was a good one. Melissa Reischick. Angie King. Suck a Free Podcast, Danny Chestnut, Stacey Deriso. She sent me an apron. She's terrific.

Thank you, Stacey. Susan Olgis is over in, I think, Ohio. I think that's where it is. Yes. Yeah, yeah. No, it's the fucking Midwest somewhere. Yeah, I got that. She's a paramedic.

She's terrific. She's awesome, though. the fucking Midwest somewhere. Yeah, goddammit. She's a paramedic. She's terrific. She's awesome, though. Thank you, Susan. Ward Palmer, Robert Williams, Angela Bruno, yes, Cassidy Salinas, Susan Summerall, Susan Summerall, Gigi Creations, Frankie Westhoff, Michael Militz, Bettany Moran, Amber Mackey, Trent Becker,

Cassie Craven, Heather Smith, Daniel Van Slaoun, Nathan Nolte, and Mama Al Davis. Thank you all. Thank you. So fucking much for making that last week, these last two weeks, stellar, incredible. I can't tell you guys how fun it is to meet you. Honestly. Especially after you guys support us like you do. That was the best part of it.

Because fucking nobody else does. That was the best part of it. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. That was amazing. part of it. Because fucking nobody else does. That was the best part of it. Yeah, awesome. Thank you. That was amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. And again, we reiterate, I can't even get that out anymore, thank you to everybody who came out to the live shows.

Unbelievable. We enjoyed meeting every last one of you, and we would have stayed for as long as it took. We just loved hanging out with you guys. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. And Jimmy, what if a guy like you, in addition to meeting you, wanted to maybe get a hold of you somehow?

How would they do that? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Thank you guys for being a part of this and having drinks with us in Boston, having drinks with us in Detroit. Loved it. It's so great. I really appreciate how dedicated to this you guys are and being a part of it. We love it. Thank you for all of my special treats as well.

I really appreciate that. That was very wonderful. It was lots. You guys were great. We love it. Thank you for all of my special treats as well. I really appreciate that. That was very wonderful. It was lots. You guys were great. Yeah, it was fantastic. You can get a hold of me at Jimmy P is funny or just try to copy and paste my last name from the show description.

Don't be a hero. There's an I in there and it's very complicated. That said, guys, holy shit, wild week. We'll be back next week. We will not leave you again. That was not on purpose. We had an episode recorded. I even edited it.

People were like, oh, that's fine. Kick the week off. I'm like, no, you don't understand. I did twice as much work because I flew to Boston, fucking recorded it, came home, edited it, and then worked on the sound for like four hours before I finally decided it's too shitty to use. So it was actually much more work to not put an episode out last week. So sorry.

There you go. Here you go. Enjoy your rest. Fuck you. I'm not resting. I'm never resting. We're doing this show. We will go. Here you go. Enjoy your rest. Fuck you. I'm not resting. I'm never resting. We're doing this show. We will continue to do this show live from the Crime and Sports studios.

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