Crime in Sports - #110 - The Chemical Killing Machine - The Enhancedness of Gordon Kimbrough

Episode Date: March 19, 2018

This week, we watch a man fall apart, due to his own, terrible decisions. He was the king of his little world, and seemed to have a great life, all coming together, including the woman of his dreams. The problem was that things weren't as they seemed. Turns out, his penchant for insane amounts of steroids seemed to have left his judgement slightly askew. Pride, violence, and murder ensue!!Inject yourself full of any chemical you have, somehow have sex in a Corvette, and react unreasonably to bad news with Gordon Kimbrough!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows... Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!!!Los Angeles San Diego Sacramento San Francisco Portland Seattle Chicago Philadelphia New York NashvilleContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's everything us that you could possibly want there, definitely. Yeah, we have a really, really wild story tonight. Normally, lately, have you noticed, we've had a lot of very dense stories. It's been like Roy Tarpley and even Jake the Snake and Steve Howe. So much information. Yeah, where it's literally, I'm like, okay, I got about two and a half hours. I don't know if I can cram this all in in two and a half hours. It's crime.

It's tons of career stuff. It's all that. Take it down a notch tonight. Take it down a notch. No stats tonight. None of this stuff. No? But a whole lot of bad things that happened.

Yeah, this one's kind of like a small town murder-ish type thing like we do once in a while. Okay. We're doing a bodybuilder, and those are always fun. Yeah. So if you're like, I don't care about bodybuilding, you stick around. Trust me. Steroids ruins brains. Trust me.

We have the brain damage sports, and then we have bodybuilding, which there's no brain damage involved, but more of the steroids. The chemicals, yeah. The chemicals are just too much. So if you up the steroids of a football player, take away the brain damage, you get a bodybuilder, and they do just as crazy shit. Right. It's weird, too, because they all have like that, because you'll get like these basketball or football or baseball players where they have these dense arrest records where it's like a lot of tickets and a lot of this.

And they got to fight outside of a bar. It adds up. Most of the time, the weightlifter guys, these bodybuilder guys, they live these lives of they're not out at the bar to get in fights. No, because they got to rest. They got to rest. They got to be up. They just ate 14 pounds of chicken. They're on a cycle.

Yeah, they are. They're on a cycle. They don't drink because it'll fuck with their physique. So they live like a clean lifestyle most of the time and then they just snap and murder people. That's generally

their MO here. So we'll talk about this. Let's talk about Gordon Kimbrough. Ever heard of Gordon Kimbrough? No. You probably haven't ever heard of Gordon Kimbrough. And that's heard of Gordon Kimbrough? No. No, you probably haven't ever heard of Gordon Kimbrough. And that's the other thing, too, is we like these stories. It's funny, because we went on the podcast, and we went on Adam Carolla, and we went on Jay Moore.

How cool was Jay Moore, by the way? Jay Moore was very... What a nice guy. Yeah, Jay Moore's one of those guys that does not have a great reputation as a nice guy. I'm blown away by how nice he is. Like the comedian community, even, too. And there's been some things out there, but to us, he treated us like a prince. He had us come into his fucking house.

He had us in his home. Around his child. He treated us like family. That's bananas. And hung out with us and didn't treat us like riffraff that showed up on his doorstep. Treated us like we mattered something to him. It was nice. Right.

But when you have, like, I realize that he didn't have to have us on, but having us on, you have a certain level of diplomacy in somebody's house. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's nice, but he didn't even shuttle us out. No. He hung, we tried to get out of there, but we hung at the door for 20 minutes. Hung out, listening to Colin Quinn impressions and having a good time with Jay. He was amazing.

So he was a sweetheart, and Corolla, too, is also known as kind of a hard ass and all that and treated us like gold. Couldn't be more the opposite. Couldn't be any nicer. Total, you know, well-oiled machine over there. Whatever you, I know Carolla has people that get mad at him for politics and all that. Whatever you think of his politics, doesn't matter. I don't care.

They put on a great show over there. And thank you to them for having us on. And David Smalley, much of the same. Smalley, too. Just a great dude. Yeah, absolutely. And didn't get to record, but we recorded with Adam's wife, also, Lynette Carolla. And there was a glitch.

The recording shit the bed. There was a glitch in the recording, but they were also very nice to us. Everybody was very nice to us. But the questions we kept getting asked were about, you know, did you do War Machine yet? Right, right. Did you do Chris Benoit? What about O.J.? What about O.J.?

Yeah, and Aaron Hernandez and all those. And it's like, yeah, they're coming. We'll get to those. Not OJ. No. But the rest of them, they're heavy hitters. We're going to get to them. And eventually, it's not like we're going to run out of stories and then go, well, never

mind if we didn't do those guys. It'll happen. We're going to get desperate for stories. But we like to find the underground. We like to dig a nice hole and go, what's in there? Oh, wow. Look at this scumbag. That's what we like to do.

It's like that blackhead that's still smooth on your nose. It's not poking out. No. Look at this scumbag. That's what we like to do. It's like that blackhead that's still smooth on your nose. It's not poking out. No, you can't get at it. That's what we like. But if you get real hard and pop it out, then there's a level of satisfaction that comes with that. And we go digging for that blackhead, guys. That's us. We are digging for blackheads. We're like a Biore

strip on audio. An audio Biore strip, guys. That's us. A Biore strip on sports' nose. That's right. So that's what we do. So we like to have stories like this because I think they're more interesting, honestly. And if you've never heard them and you didn't hear them pumped into your house constantly

because they were big news, then it's more interesting to me. It's in the media cycle. Yeah, it's more interesting to me. So let's get started with Gordon Kimbrough. Great. media cycle. Yeah, it's more interesting to me. So let's get started with Gordon Kimbrough. He's born, it's the only date of birth I could find on this guy was January 1st, 1963. I don't know if he was just born in 63 and the site was like, fuck it, one, one, just whang, bang, knock it out. Guarantees it's in the year. It's in the year at some point. So that's all we really know about him. He's from California. Not a lot about his past because he wasn't a very,

very famous guy that they did tons of articles on. What got you here? What makes him tick? What makes you tick, Gordon? That never happened at all. What's beneath the surface? What's there? He's got a nickname, which is great. We always love nicknames. It's not a self-given

nickname, as you can probably tell by the name itself. You can tell when a guy fancies himself something and gives himself a nickname, although some of them you're like, you gave yourself that nickname? You called yourself the Vampire Gigolo. Okay? The Gorilla Pimp is yours. Yeah, you picked that.

Fine. Hollywood, I get. You know what I mean? Other one, whatever. But this one, definitely not given by him. He is known as the Chemical Machine. Oh. So that's not good.

People hate him. Well, that's people who like him named him that. as the chemical machine. So that's not good. People hate him. That's people who like him. Really? Oh my God. His friends named him that. The other bodybuilders. Because he's an amazing bodybuilder. The guy is just shredded and all that. I mean, as far as I don't know shit about bodybuilding, but he looks more muscular than I could ever be. So good for you, buddy.

And it is not on the up and up. I mean, you can look at him and go, whoa, holy shit. That is not natural. What scientist did. I mean, you can look at him and go, whoa, holy shit. That is not natural. What scientist did that? Yeah, that is in a lab. Wow, there's guys with lab coats and syringes. And goggles.

I picture the Rocky IV Ivan Drago training where they have him like, you know, on the Stairmaster hooked up to a bunch of shit while they jam his arm. I love they don't even wipe him. He's sweating profusely on a thing and they're just like, just jam the needle in his arm while he's running. Make a wound while there's just germs everywhere.

Fine. Good. He's been out here running around exercising for three hours. He'll be fine. Just stick it in there. He's tough. That would have been funny if that fight had to be stopped for a staph infection. We're sorry.

Or like the flu. He got something bad, and he can't fight. He's got Hep C now. Yeah. They bring in some lesser Russian guy. He's smoking. He's half drunk. He's out of shape. He's smoking.. He's a hep C now. Yeah. They bring in some lesser Russian guy. He's smoking. He's half drunk. He's out of shape.

He's smoking. He's like, I still take Rocky down. It's okay. And he takes a drink. I have all the other heps. Hold on one minute. Okay. I'm ready.

Round one. We do. Okay. And he gets in the ring. We do. We do. I beat you. Come.

Let's go. We go now. Let go. Perfect. Let's go. We go now. Let go. Perfect. So I feel like that's what's happening here with this guy. It's that sort of thing. He's just, and the funny thing is, too, before he was a bodybuilder, his family always said he was a very shy, I can't say shy and quiet.

I want to say quiet or quiet. Shy. Shy and quiet. Everybody said he was very gentle. Yeah. A nice guy. Very kind of peace-loving. They said he was –

Like he had a perfect chemical balance. Like his chemical balance was pristine. Like just in his mind, things were going well. He had no – I don't know how you'd call it. No rages of any kind. No flights of insanity. Nothing like that. No mood swings.

None of that. They said he'd never gotten any fights with anybody. He didn't have a temper. Cool and level-headed. Cool, level-headed guy. They said, wouldn't hurt a fly, basically. Everybody said that. Just wouldn't hurt a fly.

But then he got into bodybuilding. Right. And he gets into the health thing. And at first, it's just health. You know what I mean? They see some muscles. They get into health. They start lifting weights a little bit. Right. And you start seeing a little bit of results. Okay at first it's just health. You know what I mean? They get into there. They see some muscles. They get into health. They start lifting weights a little bit.

Right. And you start seeing a little bit of results. Okay. Like, okay. And then that gets them into it more and more. As anybody who's worked out, you can see results and you're like, yeah, this is great. Right. And then you get into it more.

But then most people just take it at that. And then they go, okay, well, I still have to go home and my, you know, there's dinner on the table. I still got to go to a job. I have to go to my cubicle and I might not have time to work out tomorrow and whatever. These guys, some of them, that's not how they look at it. They see it and they go, okay, I'm getting some definition. This looks good. I feel good.

Then they see a huge guy and they're like, well, I need to be that now. How did he do that? And then they pump and pump and pump and they still can't get to that because you can't get to that naturally. And then the next thing you know, they're like, well, how do I get there? And now they're shooting up steroids, and they have Tupperwares full of food that they have to eat all the time at certain times. It's a crazy lifestyle. That sounds awful.

It really is. Have you ever known anybody who's like a serious bodybuilder? I have known two. My neighbor now does it. He doesn't do it like as much as he used to. He used to really be into bodybuilding. But my neighbor that moved was really – I said in the Burtle Fox episode, he had like the gay Oscars in his closet. Because he had all these like just men bodybuilding trophies that he won.

And it's a fucking weird lifestyle. It's super strange. They really just dedicate every waking minute to it. It's true. And they dedicate it to every aspect of it. It's the working out. It's the food part of it is the sickest minute to it. It's true. They dedicate it to every aspect of it. It's the working out. It's the food part of it is the sickest part of it. So much protein.

Well, just their whole life revolves around food all the time. And I get that. Believe me, I love food. As an Italian. Believe me. At home, Sarah and I, our life revolves around food. It really does. It's great.

It's terrific, but not in this way where he's like, shit, all right, I got to go out for two hours. I need eight chicken breasts, five baked potatoes. Who does that? Should they put it all in a Tupperware and carry it with them? I knew a guy when I was a bouncer years and years and years ago when I was like 21 years old. And this guy who ended up playing in the NFL for a while, he had played at a junior college and he just got recruited to play at the University of New Mexico. Okay. And so he was trying to bulk up, you know, he needed to bulk up.

He was a linebacker. So he's just on a weight gain mission until he gets there. He would just walk around eating potatoes like apples. Gross. It was the grossest, weirdest. That's disgusting. And I like potatoes, but how can you just eat them like that? A raw one?

No, no, no. Cooked, but you just have like a Tupperware. Just like baked? He'd have like a Tupperware with like eight microwave potatoes in it. And he'd just reach in and eat them like apples. Just pop them, eat them one after the other. And he'd have another Tupperware with chicken and with this and that and pasta. And I'm like, jeez.

Poiled eggs in his pocket. Dude, it's ridiculous. That was his whole life. No. And I said, are you feeling good? He's like, I feel sick always. Always. He's like, I am on the verge of throwing up 24 hours a day.

My neighbor will send me Snapchat videos of what he just made that's all protein. It's just a plate of a protein bomb. It looks delicious to me. I'm sure it's great. Because I love to eat it all. But if you had to eat that eight times a day. I can't do that, no. Good Lord.

He would say, like, I hope we don't have to throw anyone out because if I have to squeeze someone, I'm throwing up on them. There's no way I can keep this in. He sends me these protein bombs, and he's just about to head to the gym, and I'm just like, dude, I'd be heading for a fucking nap. That looks— Yes. Jesus, that looks heavy. How are you going to lift after that? That is terrible.

What are you doing? How are you going to do any sort of cardio at all with that sitting in your gut? I just don't get that lifestyle. It's crazy. It doesn't work. For me, it wouldn't work. It's not my kind of lifestyle. I'm jealous of it.

I mean, if I didn't have kids or a wife and I could just do that, that would be wonderful. Nah, I still wouldn't do it. I would never do it. It would be horrible. I'd just be eating more meatball sandwiches if I had a wife. That's a good plan. I'd be like, this is great. I'm going to do this.

That's a damn good plan. I'm going to smoke more weed and eat more meatball sandwiches. That's going to be my plan. When that cheese is crispified on top of a meatball sandwich. You look at that or you go, that or an incline press. Fuck you. Fuck it. I'm doing this.

Give me a foot long. I'm going to lay down. Let's do this shit. I'm telling you, man. So he, not Gordon, though. He became serious into bodybuilding pretty quickly. First, he just was working out, and then it caught on fast. And the thing that caught on fast is he, right away, didn't take him long to go for,

hey, I like being in good shape. Look, my arms look better. I can wear a tank top. To, holy shit, how do I get to be that guy? The giant, swelled-up Craig Titus-looking son of a bitch. How do I get to? By the way, Craig Tit up Craig Titus looking son of a bitch how do I get to by the way Craig Titus we did an episode on him Kelly Ryan got out of jail we knew all of that if you really dig deep

on this I don't remember on the episode if we did it at the time but people still love that guy they're like they don't give a shit that he killed a woman and set her on fire in the desert no problem he's the man this guy just a quote by the way because we're going to talk about steroids in a minute, a Craig Titus quote that I don't think we got on the first one because it was a new comment on a thread.

And somebody's like, yeah, I knew Craig Titus in the gym. And he wasn't shy about what he did because I asked him, how do you get like that? What are you taking? And he said, just stand in front of the mirror and inject yourself till you like what you see. Jesus. That was his... That's his quote. That was his quote. That's what he told the guy.

That's his training regimen. That's his training regimen. Just as much steroids as till you're swollen enough to where you're like, that'll work. That'll do. Insanity, dude. Insanity. Surprised that that's the guy that got along with OJ in prison. Shocking, right? Shocking. Helped OJ. Wow.

So bizarre. It's super bizarre. And it makes a lot of sense. It really does. But Gordon, he gets into this whole thing and pretty much immediately gets into the steroids. It goes from, I want to get a little ripped. I want to be huge. And how can I do it?

And I'm on steroids. He became not just like, hey, it took a cycle. See what it was like. He was in it immediately, just as much as he could do. Nutty. And working out and trying to get as big as possible for, you know, as long as possible. Fuck the side effects. Fuck the side effects.

And he did this, we're talking about at like 16 he started doing this. Jesus. 16, 17. Yeah, he was, you know, he was 1978, 79 he starts bodybuilding. So 16, 17 years Yeah, he was 1978, 79, he starts bodybuilding. So 16, 17 years old, this kid is. And he's about 5'10", but when he's at his peak, he's 250 pounds. Holy shit. 5'10", 250, and we're talking 1% body fat.

It's all beef. Ripped, giant thighs that you can't walk. He's a competition bodybuilder he looks ridiculous here um like i said he's known as uh the chemical machine yeah people call him and and people i guess that's like a slang people say someone is a chemical machine but they called him the chemical machine like of that area like one he's the chemical machine here in uh san francisco where he was at the world gym and so it the Showplace Palace World Gym in San Francisco. He was like –

That's the big one there, right? I'm not sure. He was the king of the gym there, though. They called him – he was the king of the gym. He was the biggest guy there. Isn't World's Gym like the most popular one for a guy like that? World Gym is big. Yeah, Gold's Gym, World Gym.

Gold's, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, you'd see – I remember everyone with the Gold's Gym t-shirts on in the 80s and 90s. And then the World Gym ones had like the saggy barbell. Okay. You know, he was like picking it up and it had so much weight it was sagging on the sides. Oh, so much weight. I remember that. Unbelievable.

That's too bad. So he's 250 pounds. Yeah. He looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like physique-wise. He looks like peak Schwarzenegger, like this guy. I mean, I can't tell the difference between, I know if you had like a bodybuilding judge, he'd look at some guy in peak Schwarzenegger and go, well, no, his pecs are slightly – I don't know. They both look jacked to me.

I have no fucking idea. My neighbor living next to me now knew my other neighbor, Paul, before he moved. And when he moved, they hadn't moved in yet. So when he moved in, he was like, I heard that Paul used to live across the street. I was like, yeah. And he goes, I had him beat in a cup. And he's telling me about how he had him beat.

And I'm just like, I don't know what the fuck that means. Really? He's like, his thighs just weren't as good as mine. I'm just like, ooh. Dude, his triceps are weak. That's all I'm saying. He needed more shoulders. I was going to say, it's like Sally McNeil.

His shoulder definition just wasn't what I thought it should be. So I beat the shit out of him. That's all I'm saying. He needed more shoulders. I was going to say, it's like Sally McNeil. Shoulder definition just wasn't what I thought it should be, so I beat the shit out of him. That's how it works. I guess he had lost. The judges gave it to Paul because of something else.

I don't know. The politics. Maybe it was because Paul's in the Air Force and he wasn't and that fucking played a big card. Oh my God.

That heroism card. Oh Jesus. I don't know what the fuck that is. It's so weird. I like how they're still talking about it though. That heroism card. Oh, Jesus. I don't know what the fuck that is. It's so weird. I like how they're still talking about it, though. That's what's funny. It's like eight years later.

His calves were shit. Like, it was clear. Eight years ago. Like, obviously his calves were shit. He's had two kids since then. I mean, mine are clearly better. Yeah, think about how awful his calves are now. I want to show you my abs right now.

See this particular. They're solid. You know what I mean? They're defined. Nothing like him. He's a piece of shit. I want to show you my abs right now. See this particular, they're solid. You know what I mean? They're defined. Nothing like him. He's a piece of shit. I'm sorry. Sorry. Just a piece of shit. I wiped the floor with him. Fucking judges robbed me. It's fine. So he's, yeah, he's bodybuilding all through the eighties. He wins some titles here too. Some, some bodybuilding titles. He wins the Junior USA title in the late 80s. He wins the San Jose Super Bowl of bodybuilding. I don't know what that is.

Wow, that sounds exciting. That sounds competitive. That sounds like people are really taking it seriously. Do they punch each other while they pose? I feel like there's tackling involved. I hope so. And possibly man-on-man rape. I'm not sure.

I'll show up to that. That's also fun. I'll watch. The winner, first it's a pose down and then they do like a strength competition and then at the end they say whoever gets penetration is a champion clench your ass cheeks if i get my cock in there you lose whoever gets first penetration is the winner he thought he had it in the bag but his ass cheeks were weak sorry it turns into mma with with sexual assault at that point.

That's what it turns into. Now, there's no striking. It's just mat work and first penetration wins. Go. And now. All right. The judge is watching. I don't know.

He's on the rim. No, no. He couldn't get it in. I'm sorry. He got in. He pulled it out and put it back in. Who else did that? He's the champ now. That's the champ. Give him his ring. Give him his ring. Is that what they give pulled it out and put it back in. Who else did that? He's the champ now.

That's the champ. Give him his ring. Is that what they give him, a ring? A cock ring. When you walk a cock ring? Is that the trophy? It's just a giant cock ring? It's a big one, but it won't fit on his shriveled up dick, though.

So it's just a trophy with a giant cock ring on it. And then they give you a cock ring that you can use also. Oh, boy. That's nice. Oh, my God. So boy. That's nice. Oh, my God. So terrible. It's awful. So he also wins the San Jose Super Bowl, like I said, and the Western America Junior USA

title also. Okay. So he wins a bunch of these amateur bodybuilding competitions, and he's kind of building up, going to start getting into the pro stuff here in the early 90s. He's a personal trainer, as all these guys are, because how else do you spend 12 hours a day at the gym unless you fucking work there? Well, I feel like if you do that, you're going to fall into personal training. If you're really good at training at what you're doing, people are just going to start

asking you questions. Then you just start charging them for the answers. Absolutely. And like I said, for him, it's like he's got to be at the gym anyway. It's not like he's going to go work in a cubicle for American Express, you know, calling people for their past due bills. And then he's going to come in at night and work out. He's got to be there all day if you're going to be this jacked and ridiculous. Also, the temperament that he's probably got is not conducive to an office environment.

That's the truth, too. What do you mean you're not going to pay your fucking bill? What are you talking about? I'll come to your fucking house right now. You know how big I am? I'll be on your goddamn doorstep. What are you going to do about that shit? Have your checkbook ready, bitch.

And he hangs up. You been to the World Super Bowl championship of wrestling and MMA cock inserting? Have you been there? Because I won. I'm the champion. There's some 83-year-old lady on the other line going, I don't, I'm, why are you going Your butthole's not safe, lady. He's calling her son up.

Dear, I got a phone call from American Express telling me my butthole wasn't safe. I think they do things differently now. I'm not sure. I don't know. I didn't even know I was late. But apparently my butthole is in peril. So please come help me. Knock it on the door.

Open up, lady. Let me get that butthole. Your ray prior is up. I love it. 1987 comes around, and I cannot confirm this, and Lord knows I fucking tried to confirm this, but I cannot confirm he may or may not have been in, and I'm pretty sure it was him, but I even tried to find the movie, but there's no name, and I don't know when he would be in it, so it's very difficult, but we're pretty sure he is in the terrible, god-awful Bill Cosby movie Leonard Part Six

in 1987. And this is known as one of the worst movies of all time. Of course. Any list of worst movies, it's on there. It's a piece of shit, and it makes it worse now that we know what Bill Cosby did. At the time, you were kind of like, yeah, but it's Cosby. It's still charming, and now you're like, oh, it's a lousy movie and yeesh. I don't know about that.

He apparently was playing a Medusa guard. I would assume a big jacked up guard guy. So that's why it makes sense that it would be him. No picture on IMDb. And like I said, there's like 40 Medusa guards. So good luck watching the movie and picking his ass out of a fucking crowd of other jacked up dudes. So it doesn't work like that. The Leonard Part 6, if you haven't seen it, let me give you the plot line here.

Quote, a secret agent is called out of retirement to save the world from an evil genius. Jesus. And no, that's not it. That's really not what even happened. And the secret agent is Bill Cosby. So that like a like during the Cosby show years, like a 55 year old, you know, obstetrician is going to save the world. I don't think so. Middle class black man is the secret agent who's in his 50s. Going to wave bye to the five kids.

Right. You know, come down the steps of the brownstone and get right to it. No problem. Jump in his 007 car. Yeah. And he takes Rudy's little friend with him, the fat kid. And he's like you're gonna help me out buddy um i found a there's a book about basically it's a guy who was a

some some uh just regular bodybuilder guy who did a bunch of amateur competitions and did tons of steroids and he wrote a book just about the whole steroid lifestyle and what he does and all that sort of thing and it's hilarious and i could just read about the whole steroid lifestyle and what he does and all that sort of thing. And it's hilarious. And I could just read you the whole book and that could be the episode. But we don't have time for that. But he actually had a run in with Gordon Kimbrough that he wrote about in this book that I found. It's in the book. I found Gordon Kimbrough.

Jesus Christ, I went deep on this asshole. This was of the Golden Valley Physique Classic 9. That is the bodybuilding competition this was. There was nine dudes or this was the ninth competition? I think this is the ninth competition. It's Roman numeral nine. Got it. So this is the ninth one.

And this is as reported from Modern Bodybuilding Magazine wrote this quote that this guy then put in his book. How terrible was that magazine, James? Oh, my God. Well, I mean, fantastic if you're really into bodybuilding or oily dudes that you want to stroke to. I'm not sure. Slow tugging to modern bodybuilding magazine, I think, has probably happened quite a few times. I always thought, you know, as like a kid, you know, I like wrestling and shit like that. So I was like, oh, bodybuilder magazines.

They're like wrestlers. They're for tough guys. And then when I was like 16, I was like, oh, those are for magazines. Slam or whatever. They're like wrestlers. They're for tough guys. And then when I was 16, I was like, oh, those are for gay dudes. That's what those are for. Yeah, those are for gay guys who want to jerk off to guys. That's how it works there. I get it. A lot of guys that are in sometimes effeminate costume.

Like the Ultimate Warrior wore a lot of pink and yellow. Oh, good God. Pink, yellow. He had streamers coming out everywhere. I mean, let's be realistic here. Come on. That looks like a very large gay man. And he had streamers coming out everywhere. I mean, let's be realistic here. Come on. That looks like a very large gay man. And he was permed up his hair.

He was at a perm. By the time he was like champion and everything, he had like highlights in it. It was all permed and feathered. And you're like, Jesus Christ, you look like Farrah Fawcett with a fucking pink intercontinental title on. Your breasts are as big, too, sir. Dudes are stroking to that. That's all we're saying. I mean, that's fine.

Stroke to whatever you want to stroke to. but that's what I thought it was for. So anyway, Modern Bodybuilding reported, quote, the heavyweight division provided the most intense competition of the night. Gordon Kimbrough came out on top. He had ample mass and thickness. Oh, boy. Oh, my. Got it right between the butt cheeks there.

He was slightly smoother than second-place finisher Sam Fusel, but had superior overall development. Fusel was probably the hardest competitor in the contest with incredible serrati, pardon my Latin, and intercostals. That's what the article says. So they're really getting into individual muscles. So the smooth is like that's obviously bad. Yeah.

The other guy was more vascular, I suppose, and was bumpier. Because, you know, those guys are all bumpy and weird. But they said that Gordon was overall more developed. Got it. So he wasn't as bumpy, but like his thighs were bigger or whatever the fuck. I don't know what the hell I'm looking at to judge. Smooth, I feel like that's what you want. That would feel, that's what you would want. But in know you want you want to see riches yeah you want to see each

grain of each muscle absolutely if you release like a ball bearing on you you want it to really just go in all these little grooves like they used to do in the car commercials you get from your fucking kids exactly yeah one of those that's that's what they want there that's a that's i think the there. That's a, I think the Sam Fusel is the guy who wrote the book, by the way. But that is, that's a piece of modern bodybuilding magazine, because I figure

most people that we are listening to this probably haven't read an issue of modern bodybuilding magazine. This is what that literature is. That's what it is right there. He had ample mass and thickness, and we're supposed to take that as not funny. I'm only human. We're supposed to read that straight face.

I'm only human. You know, sorry. I get it. I'm a modern guy, and we're not homophobic or anything like that. We're gay it up. Go crazy. We're all about that shit. But when you say he had ample mass and thickness, sorry.

That sounds like you've been looking between you've been looking at the apex of his thighs far too long sixth grade james comes out and goes that's super gay dude i don't know man you know what i mean like wow in my brain like jesus oh boy that's gay that is super gay super gay so very gay. So 1989 comes around, and he's been going for a little over 10 years now. He's the king of the gym. He is jacked and roided and winning competitions, as we found out, due to his ample mass, thickness, and overall superior development. So, by the way, second place finisher also takes on another word. By the way, second place finisher also takes on another word.

Sam Fusel said it was slightly smoother than second place finisher, which now you think about that way differently. Second place finisher. Not the guy in second place. Second place finisher. It's the guy that got raped by this guy. He did finish. He got it off. He finished, too.

He finished, too. Sorry. But he saw it through to the end which i'm impressed so uh 1989 uh there uh he's working at this gym at the world gym uh there's a woman there a young lady at the time she's about 21 years old uh named christy ramsey and she works behind the front desk yeah and kimbrough being uh he likes the ladies that's one thing he likes is the ladies he got into this for it that's what i mean he and he likes uh especially ladies. He got into this for it. That's what I mean. And he likes especially at the gym.

I mean, if they're at the gym, they're into working out, especially at this gym because this isn't like L.A. Fitness where their secretary is going for two hours. These people are into fucking working out. So he knows he can walk up to anybody there. They all know who he is, and he's the most jacked guy there. He might as well just whip his cock out on the table. That's the way he's feeling about the whole thing. He's got this. So he meets this Christy Ramsey.

She works at the front desk. He befriends her. They become buddies, and he's kind of helping her work out because she's into working out and fitness and all that sort of thing. Pretty quick, though, they become an item. Doesn't take long. She's a pretty girl. She's super pretty, and he's this big jacked-up asshole. And you look at these two, and they'd be like the gym couple.

And they all called him king and queen of the gym. That's what they were. There's a guy named Dennis Thomason who we'll talk about frequently throughout this episode, who is a San Francisco police officer who is a close friend of the couple and a big bodybuilder. He does amateur competitions and everything else. And Gordon is his trainer. He said that they had a romantic relationship pretty quickly. He was around them all the time.

They move in together quickly. They compete together. They work out together. They're both crazy for diet and regimen. She gets just as much into it as he does. So, I mean, right away, they're a match made in heaven. Yeah. They do everything together.

Yeah. And if you're Gordon, it's hard for you probably to have a regular girlfriend. And if you're her who wants to work out all the time, it's hard for her to have a regular boyfriend that just wants to come home from work and go out to dinner and watch some TV. It's not satisfying enough for these people. And then also when you're a regular dude and you've got a girlfriend or a wife that works out that much, she's spending that much time in a place where there's that many dudes. That many oiled up dudes.

That's got to be so infuriating. And also, even though he's the king of the gym, he's also, he's insecure about her. Of course. Because she is, she's really pretty. She's a really pretty woman and he's very insecure because everybody in the gym looks at her and everybody in the gym kind of wants her. So I don't blame him for feeling that way, but he takes it a little too far, as we'll see a few times here. You know how that works here.

Insecurity, I just don't fucking understand. Well, I mean, if someone's going to wander, they're going to wander. I don't know what you're going to worry about it for. That's where I'm at, is that it's just if they're going to go, then let them go, because you don't need that. And also, the insecurities, I'm not wired for jealousy. I don't feel jealousy at all. I hate myself so much that when shit has happened to me like that, I'm just like, of course she did. Why would she stick around?

That makes sense. That makes sense. Well, these guys, too, I feel like a lot of it is a possession thing and it's an alpha male thing. And it's a very much like that. It's a really toxic masculinity. It's exactly a good way to put it. This is a very, very toxic version of masculinity here where it's all about testosterone. They're literally jamming it into their fucking bodies extra.

Like we don't have enough to go off of. They're like, I need fucking more. God damn it. I'm going to be pissed at everything. It's horrific. That just reminded me of 30 Rock. I'm going to be taking things out of context.com. That's fucking hilarious.

Anyway, moving on. All right. So this is the World Gym Showplace Square here. Now, Ramsey, she's pretty short, but she's very muscular. She's got curly black hair. She looks mixed, I think. That's probably not the right terminology. But she looks like she's half black, half white, probably.

I don't know. She looks mulatto. She's one of these fucking mulatto broads. You know, sometimes I got to say, I don't mind the mulatto broads. You know what I mean? Hey, you know, I'm from the neighborhood. I'm not into black chicks or nothing. I mean, come on, Frankie.

I mean, once in a while, you see one, and you're like, hey, look at the fucking ass on this one. But most of the time, I'm not really into black chicks. But I see some of these, and I'm like, she could fucking be a little. She looks Italian, this broad. You know what I mean? I could take her home to chicks, but I see some of these and I'm like, she could fucking be a little, she looks Italian, this broad, you know what I mean? I could take her home

to my mother, have her fake it a little bit, throw it on her last name, maybe I'll marry this fucking broad, that's all I'm saying, you know what I mean? I like the mulatto chicks, you know,

these fucking Oreos, it's beautiful. That's what it is, it's the tan skin, it's that light skin. We've said it a million times, beige babies, they save the world.

That's it, man, genetic diversity, we've said it a lot. Look atige babies. Beige babies. They save the world. That's it, man. Genetic diversity. We've said it a lot. Look at Small Town Murder, Phillips, Oklahoma. No genetic diversity. Look what happens. Shit buckets aplenty. Here, genetic diversity, muscles, everybody looks good, everybody wants to fuck each other.

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Invariably friendly, which is an odd thing. A lot of people said invariably. Invariably friendly, which I've never heard those two words put together except in this case by six different people. It's almost like they heard the one guy and they read it in the paper like invariably free. Yeah, she is invariably friendly. I'm going to call her that too. Yeah, that's a great way to describe Christy. I hope they get a hold of me.

Holy shit. Wow. If anybody asks me, I'm going to tell them how invariably friendly she is because it's pretty crazy. Also very energetic. Just never stops. Motor, motor, motor. She's just like this young 20 something year old early

20s works in the gym works out constantly hey bubbly let's do this she teaches aerobics classes and she's just constantly going come on ladies let's do this and all that shit and go and get back to the front desk great workout all right yeah can you imagine that oh fuck i am so just encouraging everybody i gotta i spend enough energy trying to encourage myself to get the fuck out of bed. That's what I mean, man. I can't imagine. To kill everybody else. I have no motivation for this shit.

My ideal, my whole demeanor is just, let's take it down a notch. That's my whole, everybody, let's relax. Can we calm down? Yeah. The show, Curb Your Enthusiasm is the greatest title for a show ever because that's the perfect term ever. Let's all take it back a notch. Calm the fuck down.

It's not that fucking great. So this would be like, whoa. That's like you loved that quote from Neil Armstrong in L.A. Traffic. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Neil Armstrong's quote was, he was about to get on the space shuttle. It's about to lift off to go to the moon. Amazing.

And a fucking reporter jams a mic in the mouth. Like he just got off a team bus, got into a stadium. And they're like, you think you guys are going to win today? We have a good chance. And they keep going. This is the same thing. They asked Neil Armstrong, what's your biggest fear about going to the moon? And he looked straight in that fucker's face and goes, it was built by the fucking lowest bidder.

Then he got on it and went to the moon. He's like, that's a badass right there. I have no confidence. He just took the luster off of that entire thing. He took all this thing that's around it. All the shine. The shine. The brand new.

It had this feel to it, like this mystical thing, like we're finally going to conquer the next dimension, and we're all, everyone is, we're all patriotic, and he's like, government contract. Shitbox. You ever seen the Etzel? This is fucking worse. This was built by the lowest bidder.

Yeah. Ford probably built this fucking thing. Do you know what I'm saying right now? Shitbox. Anyway, I'm getting on it now to be fired by a rocket into space. Hopefully see you in a few weeks. Have a good one. That's a badass. He didn't even believe in this fucking thing, but he was like, I'm getting on it, I guess.

That's your guy. I said I was doing it. That's hilarious. It really is. So that I like. that's my perfect thing that quote ruining that moment is just james every day going listen you guys there's still shit involved in this you can all be happy all you want calm it all down but there's shit involved i'm the shit finder that's what i do that's what i do yeah that he's my hero now neil armstrong for

that that was amazing that's a great quote. It's the best quote. So one quote about Christy was, quote, when she led an aerobics class, it was four notches above everybody else. I used to stare at her. I couldn't believe anybody could have the rhythm down like that. That's what one woman, Jim Regular, said. Yeah, she's just a bubbly, full of energy, badass type of chick. And this is in the 80s?

This is in 1990, 1991. Gotcha. So lots of neon spandex going on. Still French cut with jammed up her ass. Jammed up her ass. Possibly leg warmers still. We're not sure about the leg warmers. It could be happening.

But either way, those spandex are neon colors. She has lime green and pink and holy shit. It is very 1991. And in 1991, Gordon and Christy Ramsey are competing together. Really? They're going around doing pairs competitions for couples, like man and woman pair, which is a weird thing that I didn't know existed, honestly. Because, I mean, well, Kelly Ryan and Titus, she was a fitness model. Christy is a fitness model, but she's also like a bodybuilder, too.

And in 1991, Christy and Gordon win the 1991 USA Pairs Championship. Holy shit. So they're like the best amateur pair of bodybuilders in the country. How about that? Not too – well, I don't know. There's probably 25 competitions that are the, you know, the Fort Worth, USA pairs. You know, I'm sure there's a lot. But they're all full of people.

They're all, oh yeah. Oh Christ. They're all full of people. And I'm sure like everything else with this, it's very competitive. Even in the gym, it's so competitive with these guys. It's, he benched 10 pounds more than me and his arms are half an inch bigger than mine. And it's a, they're fucking nuts with each other. So, like, every day they go to the gym, it's always competition.

Everything's competition. It's really – they're like comedians. Anytime I go to the gym, I just try to get near the oldest person in the room and just do, like, two reps more than them. You should do that. Plus, you're like, if he doesn't drop dead, I should be good. Yeah, yeah. That's the other thing. I won't push it much harder than him, and I'll see where he goes with it.

It's keeping that fucker alive. It'll keep me alive. Fuck it. We can try it anyway. Let's give it a shot here. So they win that title, and I'm going to say it now. Grace. That's it.

This is Grace right here. This is Grace. He's had a nice life so far. He's worked out a lot. He's had lots of chicks and women, and he's got a nice girlfriend that they win the title. And she's beautiful. She's beautiful. And he's king of the gym, the chemical machine. Amazing. Ivan Drago, black Ivan Drago coming for that ass right here. So that's Grace here. So while he's doing this, he's winning titles. She's also going around winning titles. She wins individual titles and women's fitness model things and a couple of bodybuilding things. So she's doing well, too. And he,

the whole time, is a personal trainer at the gym. And he's the sought-after personal trainer at the gym. He's the biggest guy. And it's funny, too, because they talk to people. I saw this documentary. I will call it. It a documentary it was 33 it was 33 minutes long and it encompassed two stories so it's not really a documentary I mean one of the stories yeah one of the stories was this one but it's not like it wasn't made by investigation discovery or anything like that it was made by a religious channel oh boy and it's called thou shalt not kill what exodus whatever the fuck it is and and it And they mix these murder stories with, like, Bible shit. Oh, boy.

It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah, it's the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. Because they'll, like, talk about all this murder shit, and then they'll talk about somebody who strangled somebody, did all that. And then they'll be like, you know, in Exodus 14, 29, it says that this and that. I mean, you know, and they're trying to, like, relate the shit to, like, the real world. I mean, you know, a man that does that, he's just asking for it back at him. And you're just like, okay.

But they keep doing it. It's so funny. And, like, the narrator has, like, little things he'll throw in that, like, a little religious thing. Their relationship was born again. Oh, boy. Like, things like that. It's fucking weird, dude. Vile.

I'll get into some other shit later. But it was the weirdest damn thing I ever saw with this this whole deal here people love them though they like them they're they're good looking head turning you know everybody turns when they look at them obviously because there's like this jacked handsome couple walking around uh she's described as effervescent oh which is another she's like a sprite i've never yeah i've never defined she's like a sprite. I've never, yeah, I've never defined anyone. She's like a 7-Up. She's like a dessert wine. Yeah. A sparkling dessert wine. What is this?

She's bubbly and, yeah, a bouncy personality, very upbeat. Yeah. But it's around this time when they start winning competitions that her friends start to notice a couple demeanor changes in Christy. They start to notice things in her that they didn't notice before. Before, she's always the friendliest, nicest, most bouncy, happy person. Invariably friendly. By many mouths have said that.

At this point, there's demeanor changes in Christy. Friends say that she became very aggressive. They say her whole temperament changed. She became short-tempered. Quote, she couldn't be bothered with a lot of stuff and use the competition as an excuse at this time is what they said. Meanwhile, so sounds like this is when she's getting ready for bodybuilding competition. So it sounds like somebody's stash. Yeah, he's turning her on like, hey, this is great and all.

But if you want to win, I can help you. You're winning. But if you want to crush, I can help you. That's the type of thing. You're winning, but if you want to crush everybody. You can do it. Yeah. By the way, there's people quotes saying like people would, he was like the best salesman at the gym too. Like one woman was saying like it was her first day at the gym and he was like, I can

help you. Yeah. I can, I can get you into shape. And she was like, she saw him and was like, I guess you can. Sure. And like, he's a good salesman. He walks up looking like he looks, you're like, fuck, I guess you do know what you're doing. Sure.

All of a sudden she's got a trunk full of supplements. Yeah. A truck full of shit that he sold her at the counter. He's like, she's like, what is this powder shit? This doesn't dissolve. This is terrible. Tastes like chalk. You know, it's all four weeks.

I don't know what you fed me. And I shit solid pellets last time. I don't even think they were poop. I'm having a problem. I don't know what they were. I shit like a reindeer. What happened? It was don't even think they were poop. I'm having a problem. I don't know what they were. Like a reindeer. What happened? It was a reindeer, but they were metallic, so I think that's a problem. What are you feeding me? They clanked and cracked

the bowl. What happened? I know I'm supposed to eat iron, but this is ridiculous. Yeah, she couldn't be bothered with a lot of stuff, and this is Kimbrough here. Gordon becomes bigger and bigger at this moment. He, like, tacks on another 20 pounds now, and they're like, Jesus Christ. He's like, this is the and bigger at this moment. He like tacks on another 20 pounds now and they're like Jesus Christ. He's like, this is the Craig

Titus technique here. Look in the mirror and inject yourself until you like what you see. You like what you see? He was doing 500 pound lifts and all that and he's only 5'10". That's crazy. He's really strong.

They're the perfect couple to everybody. Like I said, they work together. They win titles together. There's a photo of them taken in February of 93 that I'll post on social media definitely with him looking jacked. And she's like kind of behind on the side of him like with her hand on his arm. And she looks like all pretty, you know, but like in shape. And it's like it looks like this, you want to be the perfect couple?

Like this would be what the gym sends out on their ads. You know what I mean? Like, look like this with your, you know, get a beautiful person, you know, get a beautiful woman or a beautiful guy, be jacked up, uh, come here. There's also pictures of one, um, of Ramsey lifting. She has dumbbells like laying down, doing that. And he's standing there kind of spotting her. Like, you know, it's an article on them and, you know, I don't know.

Their workout regimen. Their workout regimen, and it shows them together, and look how nice he is. He's helping her along since he's been doing this longer, blah, blah, blah. It's at this point, too, while the relationship is going great, everything's fantastic, they're winning, they're happy, they're effervescent for christ's sake invariably friendly but also on steroids this is when he starts cheating a lot

oh boy he likes to cheat he likes the ladies he's got an ego and i don't know i i'm go out on a limb here but i feel like any of these bodybuilders i don't mean just you're going to work out to be in shape these guys who are competitive looking at guy going, his triceps are slightly less than mine. Your fucking ego has to be enormous, and it must take a lot to feed it. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, they need people to like them physically. That's literally their whole self-worth, as in, are you impressed with me physically?

You see that when you meet them. Yeah, there's no interview section in bodybuilding competitions. There's no like, well, what would you do to stop world hunger and get peace in Palestine and Israel? They don't have that section. These guys could be fucking illiterate and not even have the gift of speech, and they'd be like, look at his pecs, man, and boom. He wins.

He wins. I mean, I found just the meatheadedness of a lot of this. There was a site that I found something on. The site was called spot me, bro.com. What? I'm like, this is the meat. And it wasn't sarcastic. It wasn't like about asshole bodybuilders or something.

It was like making fun of. No, they were like, take the supplement, bro. Like it was like spot me, bro. Dot com sounds like a joke website that people would be like, like fucking peoplemebro.com. Spotmebro.com sounds like a spook website that people would be like, like fucking peopleofwalmart.com. It seems like you'd be at the gym and you'd take a picture of a dude and send it to spotmebro.com. Or it's like the SNL sketch from the 90s with how much you bench.

Remember that? Yeah, how much you bench. It'd be like one of those. That's what I feel like it would be. So fucking stupid. So stupid. So he's what I feel like. So fucking stupid. So stupid. So he's cheating a lot here. The problem is, too, this is not smart on his part.

If you're going to cheat, go outside the gym to cheat. He's getting chicks there. She works there. She's there all the time. She works there. Everybody knows her. Everyone, if anyone sees him with somebody, someone's going to tip her off. It's not smart.

But he's sneaking around with other female gym members, all left and right. Tons of them. Terrible. You don't shit where you eat. No. And mostly his clients. And he eats everywhere. So he shouldn't eat.

He's constantly eating. So there's no shitting for this guy at all. Not even in his own bathroom. You eat here, sir. You eat everywhere. He's probably eating while he shits right that's that's the lifestyle he's living he's like cutting up a chicken breast on the retention bowl of the toilet yeah that's it he's he's trying to he's really pushing trying to get one out and

he's like hold on i need two more bites and he pushes it out i can't get this out because i i don't have enough protein inside me i need more more energy. I need weight to push it down. I need more energy to push. Jesus. Yeah, one of the members said, quote, from what I understand just from gossip at the gym, the relationship didn't seem too stable to me at this point. Because this is when they're having, they're like fighting at the gym and shit over women. Because he's banging around with whatever he can get his hands on. And she's like, hey, asshole, stop doing this and embarrassing me in my place of work and being dishonest to me and everything else he's wandering around telling him to spot him while he pisses yeah he's like uh you know it's uh it's a tough

job might take two of you but uh one of you will sell it for give it a shot come spot me bro that's that's not a stupid fucking phrase that's when you would not want to hear spot me bro someone whips your cock out i don't think so you are on your own mister uh so uh also this this uh female member said quote gordon would start to schedule female clients when christy wasn't at the gym so he could work with them without her around so it's like oh you're off this morning you're off thursday morning you don't come in until noon? Okay. Let me schedule two women to come in Thursday morning. It's like one of those things. He's doing that.

Pretty transparent shit, honestly. Maybe the first few times he did it, not transparent. Oh, this person can only do it in the morning, whatever. But then it's like, hey, how come you only have chick clients in the mornings when I'm not there or in the afternoons when I'm not there? Now, this part coming up and the parts before this that I just gave you, the quotes of the relationship didn't seem too stable, blah, blah, blah. This is from the Christian documentary. Great. Okay.

It's amazing, this thing. It's so fucking funny. I saw a Christian documentary about a psychopathic little girl. And they, I don't know if it's a Christian documentary, but at the end, it's very Christian because they put her into like Bible study and shit. And now she's fine. But before they put her in, the Bible study thing, she was jamming needles in their pets and talking about wanting to kill her family. Bible study. And she was masturbating in public.

She was eight. Is that even masturbating at that point? Or is that just freaking out the adults at that point? The mom is losing her shit. She's like, I'm in the car with her. And then I turn around to tell her brother to stop doing something. And she's there with her legs spread masturbating. And you can't really say that about an eight-year-old.

And not for nothing, but hey, mom, that's your fucking fault because eight-year-olds don't do that unless they were molested most of the time. So you probably didn't protect your fucking daughter enough. And now she's lashing out because she's been fucking abused by somebody. Unless they were molested most of the time. So you probably didn't protect your fucking daughter enough. You're right. And now she's lashing out because she's been fucking abused by somebody. And you take her to church to get her rather than a goddamn psychiatrist to fucking for the next 20 years. Well, the problem was she was adopted. She was raped by her real father. I just fucking obviously.

And the adopted mother. The adopted mother. The adopted father. Like, she's got a problem. Yeah, of course. She's been fucking molested. Ruined her. Right.

I would say if you have kids and they're doing shit like that, check that shit before you check the devil. If you check off every other box and you can't figure it out, then maybe off desk, maybe it's the devil. She's not the devil. Somebody else is the goddamn devil. He's possessing her. Then at that point, look into maybe the devil's doing this shit. But until then, look at the obvious factors first, like uncles or ex-fathers or things of that nature. Holy fucking shit.

Anyway, sorry. Christian documentary. Christian documentary. It's so Christian. I can't wait. Like I said, there's like two minutes of story and then like a break-in of like biblically what this means. Yeah. For everything.

Like they went to jamba juice that morning and had an argument you know the bible says and but it's like there's nothing to do with jamba juice what are you talking about like when you break bread with bible says you can't punch your wife in a jamba juice is that true they didn't get that into it i'm not sure i'm not a religious scholar j Jimmy. I'm not positive. So at this point, the narrator. Do you order Orange Dream Machine? I know you don't like that shit. I know.

Damn it. Did he like Orange Dream Machine? Is that what you're telling me? Devil. The devil. Satan. So this whole thing here, when talking about, you know, when they quote the people about he wasn't at the gym, he would, Christy wasn't at the gym, he would have women in and all

that stuff. That's when the narrator comes into this documentary and says, quote, quote, the devil horns truly come out as he tries to keep his secrets from Christie. The devil horns truly come out. And as they're showing this, the footage they're showing is just him talking to a woman. He's just conversing with the devil horns. You're like this bastard. How dare he talk to a woman?'s just conversing with the devil horns you're like this bastard how dare he talk to a

woman jesus christ you're talking to a woman who's not your fiance who's not even her his fiance that conversation is so fucking taboo the devil horns truly come out it's so fucking funny uh the friend here in the friend in this documentary said quote she would confront him and when she did she was met with lots of anger. So it became something she was afraid to do. Yeah. Yeah. So I can write it out.

And you're accusing him of something that he probably did. Oh, he's definitely doing. He's hiding. He's definitely doing. And he's saying no. And she said, are you screwing around with this one? And he's fucking would fly off the handle. I don't blame her for being scared, timid of that situation.

Who would want to confront this lunatic? No. Pack your shit and leave. Thank you. Yeah. One of his girlfriends calls the apartment one time that they share, and Christy answers. And apparently this woman didn't know the protocol of don't let Christy know that you're fucking Gordon. So she was just

like, where's Gordon? We got plans tonight and shit like that. Christy's pissed. This is beyond the pale, apparently. Fucking around at the gym and doing all that. She can live with that, apparently. I don't know how, but she can live with it or whatever. This, calling the house, actually, that's enough now.

She's fucking had it. She confronts Gordon about it, because this is an obvious, I caught you. Somehow he smooths it over, though. He smooths it over though. How did he smooths it over? I don't know how the fuck do you smooth over? I gave another woman our our our home

phone number. Why share a domicile with you? Not smart. I gave that number to another woman that I'm fucking and you know about it. Now you how do you fucking smooth that that's more than a trip to the olive garden i feel like it would take for that one maybe he gave her the juice ain't clearing that shit up he gave her a tupperware full of baked potatoes which is like a dozen roses to

this woman and she was like okay fine i get it you are sorry i didn't realize you were sorry these are in the oven these weren weren't microwaved, right? Yeah, you know. All right, never mind. You're okay. Come on back in, baby. It's okay. So this is a time, too.

She would move out for a couple days here and there when these transgressions would come to the surface. I'm leaving. And then she'd come back when he smoothed it over. He gave her a potato bucket. Cycle of violence. Cycle of violence. She would go on with him. He gave her a potato bucket.

Cycle of violence. Cycle of violence. She would go on with him. So they say that the steroid use really made things worse when she started it and when he was really getting into it more. Sure. It made things worse. And no one sees it. They all just see them as this perfect couple. They don't see that, oh, wow, these two are actually at each other's throats and he's cheating and fucking around.

It just looks like, wow, the king and queen, you know? King and queen of the prom here. This is great. That's what this is, too. This gym is like a giant fucking adult prom, which is never good. A jacked fuckwit prom. A jacked fuckwit prom. That's not terrific.

That's the whole gym, or at least the competitions are anyway. So the friends are anyway. The friends are all kind of, they talk about, hey, he flies in a little roid rage once in a while and that sort of thing. So it's starting to, the cracks are starting to show on the surface here. There's no longevity in fucking... Shocking.

Shocking. Steroid use? Shocking. Sally McNeil and Ray, we didn't have that. Episode 6 or 7 or whatever that was? No, not there? Okay. We know this. When couples get together and they're both on the shit, this is not great.

Bad things are happening when both people are. That damn cracks quickly. Yes, because it's like, I guess if it was just him and he was aggressive and she could calm him down, not that she should have to, but she would calm him down. And when they're both jacked up, it's like, what'd you say? I said this, motherfucker. Oh, yeah? That's a quick escalation.

Like, rather than, no, no, no, you're misunderstanding me. Like, yeah, I said it, motherfucker. What do you want? Breaking a, throw a beer bottle down. Come at me, bitch, I'll cut you. Like, that's not a good thing for a couple. So they would get, about 1992, early 1992, things get really, really bad with him cheating and her being afraid of him and that sort of thing. There's a friend of theirs who helped her move into a new apartment.

She got her own apartment and everything, like really got out. He said, quote, I think she was afraid of him. She didn't say she thought he would hurt her, but I guess it was just an impression that I got. You can tell if somebody's afraid of somebody. I mean, you can tell. Say something if you know someone like that. Yeah, no doubt. Just ask if they're okay.

That's an all-joking aside. We've been dicks this whole time or whatever. But when it comes to shit like this, it's not funny. Domestic violence is no fucking joke. That shit's not funny. Yeah, it's terrible. It's for real. If you have somebody like that, they might be embarrassed about it.

You don't know. Somebody emailed me fairly recently and told me that after an episode like this about domestic violence, she got out. And it was like near a year ago. And she just messaged me recently telling me that she's doing fucking great. That's great, man. And she couldn't be happier. No, that's terrific. She's getting her self-esteem back up. Good for her.

It's amazing what will happen to you as a person if you get the fuck out of that relationship. And we understand, too. I mean, that's— I know it's terrifying. It's hard, and a lot of people can't get out, and there's finances, and there's also fear, and they don't have the resources. And, hey, man, we get that. That's—fuck, man.

We feel horrible for anybody in that situation. But, honestly, if you have a friend that you're talking to and you get a feeling like that, just ask them if they're okay. Maybe they won't tell you. Who knows? I mean, maybe that's embarrassing to them. A lot of times they won't tell you out of more embarrassment than fear. Right.

Anything. But if you go to lift your phone when you're out with them and they fucking wince, maybe there's a problem somewhere. Maybe you should ask questions. Nothing you can do but try to be there and encourage this person to try to get help and try to help them if you can. I don't know. I mean i don't know if that's the even the appropriate thing to do we're gonna get tweets now from people going actually in that situation fuck you no no we're trying do whatever the right thing is somebody try to help somebody if you know that someone's

in trouble and being and being you know physically abused or anything else or even mentally or whatever just emotionally get the fuck out of that you're better than that you're worth more but uh apparently uh yeah you are apparently christy ramsey didn't think she was i mean maybe she didn't know she was worth more but apparently at this time didn't think she was worth more because she ends up moving back in oh jesus she got her own place she didn't move in with somebody she made the huge step pad and uh nope but he he patched it up uh apparently he would send her flowers constantly and just was saying how sorry he was and everything's going to be different from now on and you know he's not going to cheat anymore and she's the only one and this made him realize what

an asshole he is uh they said that he would send her flowers constantly and the one friend said uh uh quote he gave her an engagement ring and told her everything would be better. Oh, boy. So she bought that and she agrees to marry him, which, God damn it. Shit. No. Opposite of what you're supposed to do here. So many opinions right now. Yeah. Don't marry this fucking asshole.

And he thought that. I don't get it, man. So October 92. Yeah. Relationship is not going well. It's still. I mean, they still have their same problems. He can send all the flowers he wants.

It doesn't mean that they're going to get along and everything's, you know, rosy now. Sorry. So anyway, he apparently, just the bodybuilding competitions, he's having tons of affairs. There's a lot of shit going on that's all compounded when one night he goes to the O'Farrell Theater, which is the porn theater, the famous Mitchell Brothers porn theater in San Francisco. I don't know it. They made a movie on Showtime with Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez playing the Mitchell Brothers, actually.

Oh, really? Called Rated X. It's actually kind of funny, I guess. I'll have to watch it. It's not bad. Anyway, they made a movie about these guys. These guys were complete scumbag, sleazy 70s porn guys. They were dirtbag, cokehead fucking scumbags.

It's a jack theater? Like you go there to tug? Yeah. It's unbelievable. And it was like the big one, though. It's a nationwide famous theater. Because there was huge legal fights over it. Really?

Yeah. A lot of the decency laws and shit, they had to fight. They went to court constantly, these guys. These guys also brought suits against mafia guys and people like that. Oh, that's dangerous. Lawsuits for distributing their porn. Porn back then was like you could just steal it and put it up. There was no fucking – who are you going to run to?

Still kind of exists. But I mean it was kind of like borderline illegal back then. The decency laws were different and different jurisdictions had different laws about pornography. So if you could just get a hold of a film, you can just show it in a theater and charge money. What the fuck are they going to do? And especially the mob would do it because they'd be like, where are they going to fuck? Who cares? We make people disappear.

Yeah. Go complain to us. See what happens. It doesn't matter. There's a hundred guys jerking off to it and you didn't get a dime. Fuck off. That's what they'd say. So these guys had to us. See what happens. It doesn't matter. There's a hundred guys jerking off to it and you didn't get a dime. Fuck off. That's what they'd say. So these guys had to fight them. They had federal lawsuits. The government came after them really

hard. They were like kind of Lenny Bruce of porn a little bit where they would come. They would say, if you show this movie tonight, we're going to arrest you. And so they would show the movie and they could make a deal about being arrested. Wow. Yeah, it was a crazy deal. That's brilliant though. That'll get you so much press. So much press. So much so that October 1992, it was a crazy deal. That's brilliant, though. That'll get you so much press. So much press.

So much so that October 1992, it was still a popular place from the 70s. My Christ. So that tells you a lot right there. So Kimbrough goes out to the O'Farrell Theater to see some porn movie opening or some shit like that. Crazy. Crazy time. Walks down the red carpet and all that shit.

You know that, waving. Hi, how you doing? People asking him questions. He runs by. What lube did you bring? Are you lubed up? Are you now? Oh, never mind.

You're always lubed up. You don't need lube. You're constantly oily. Who are you wearing? Nobody in a minute. I'm going to take it all off. Take it all off, and I'm going to wrestle that guy to completion. In those theaters, did they like...

I'm so fascinated right now yeah this is before our time did yeah did they like take just take their pants off or what did they do to do this i would hope the rags do they just leave it on the floor i would imagine this is where i assume you're dropping your load on the floor in this place courtesy now i think this back of the seat on the floor i don't think crusty ass seat that you sit in? I think they come in with one of those self car wash hoses on a big long stick afterwards with the foam

coming out and just get the place down. This is so much. This is before our time. This information is too much for me. I remember in 7th grade 8th grade the kid was like yeah I went down to the city. Him and his friends went down for something. He was like 13, 14 years old. And this was like

in the 90s, right before they really cleaned up New York City, where you could still go to Times Square. And he's like, yeah, man, for five bucks, I stuck four fingers in this lady, threw a hole in the wall. I'm like, what? What the fuck is wrong with you? That's what he told me. And he was super excited about it.

He was super jacked up. That's a buck and a quarter a finger, man. That's a lot. You put your arm through the slot like you're doing when they make small machinery with nuclear stuff, like those gloves on through the thing. Except there's no gloves. You put it through. It's like a drive-thru slot, like a bank teller thing.

And he went to work on his poor lady back there. And I was like, I remember I was like, you know, 13. I was like, was she good looking? He's like, oh no, she's fucking gross. And I'm like, why'd you do that then? What is going on here? But that's what this was about. These people were perverts.

I couldn't be happier to be born so late. No shit, me too. Because this was like the tail end of it. He was too young to be doing that shit too. I was like, huh? This is weird. The internet fixed all this problem. Thank shit for that. Yeah, took all of the masturbating indoors. That was too young to be doing that shit. It was like, huh? This is weird. The internet fixed all this problem. Thank shit for that. Yeah, took all of the masturbating

indoors. That's where it should be. Please. Masturbate indoors, everybody. Keep it in your own house. Oh, God. Jesus Christ. This causes a fight, him being out all night at the O'Farrell Theater. He doesn't come home until like 8 o'clock in the morning.

My Christ. After going to a porn theater. So she's like, and judging by his history, it's like, okay, who'd you go home with? So there wasn't shame involved in this theater? No. The people would hang there for hours? Well, I figure he probably watched the movie and then went home with somebody else is what I'm thinking. He came home at 8 going, I don't know, man.

It's fine. It was a long night. And she's like, no, motherfucker, not long night. What have you been doing? You have a track record, dude. Let's get this out of here. He says, quote, she was very angry because I didn't come back that night. We got into an argument and I ended up pushing and slapping her.

Oh, boy. OK, so now, by the way, this is not the first time this has happened. This is the first time that the police are involved. But we'll talk about that. Actually, it wasn't just pushing her and slapping her. It was actually a slap to the face and then a kick to her left hip holy shit sent her down to the ground uh big huge guy slapping and then kicking shows you have no i don't even know what the word is but there's to kick somebody like that yeah it's like piece of shit like you have no compassion

for that person what's not that a slap isn't too but you have no compassion for that person. What's not that a slap isn't too, but you have no compassion for a person if you're acting like that whatsoever. So, yeah, he says he slapped her, but he did all of that. Now, the police recalled in this October 1992 fracas here, a police officer wrote in the report here. And I, Jesus, this was not easy to find either. Quote, Ramsey told me that Kimbrough had hit her on many prior occasions, but she had not contacted the police. So and also a guy that's from the police report. She said, yeah, he does this all the time. This is the first time I've actually called.

Right. So this is horrible that she's living like this. She's clearly in more fear this in this incident. Right. Yeah. Yeah. She said this was like the last straw for her. I think I don't know if it was the kick or what it was but she was like fuck i don't know if it was also had to do

with he was out all night and she wanted to get rid of him anyway and she was like all right fine well he sold her this whole bill of goods that everything's going to be much better and now he comes back in the morning and then he's coming back from a porn theater at eight in the morning and slapping her around for wondering why. It's just insanity. What? Do you want to know why I was at a porn theater for 12 hours? No, that's not okay. Like, what the fuck are you thinking? She didn't attack him with a butcher knife. She said,

where were you all night? Reasonable question. Maybe answer it. That's probably going to be questioned as he's driving home. He should have had that locked and loaded. He should have been like, where have I been? Yeah. And by the way, no cell phones back then.

So, I mean, he did have the all night buffer of having being able to come up with it rather than having to answer a text at two in the morning as to what he's doing currently, which would have been much more difficult for him. Much more difficult. So another friend of theirs who knew Gordon for about 15 years said that he'd, quote, he'd been known to knock her around. So this is like a known thing with their friends. She ends up moving out and moving in with her sister at this point, which is good. At least she's out of the house.

She moves in with her sister. He keeps coming over, trying to talk to her. He won't let it go. He begs. He pleads. He shows up at the door. She has to call the cops a couple of times to say, and he's not being violent, but he's like yelling outside the window.

He's like stalker behavior. He's like non he's like non-charming John Cusack is basically what he is. He's out there. He left the boombox at home. Yeah. And just brought his pipes. He brought it. Yeah. He brought his, where the fuck are you? Come back. I'm sorry. Like you can't be having that outside the apartment.

She'd yell out the window to go home, and he wouldn't go home. He's like, Christy! Next thing you know, she's like, I gotta call the fucking cops. This guy's out of his goddamn mind here. So she would do that a few times. She called the cops. Now, the whole thing of her moving out because he beat the shit out of her, he says about it, quote, to me it was no big thing, but to her it was., to me, it was no big thing. But to her, it was.

Well, to you, it was no big. I mean, I don't mind kicking a person in the hip and slapping him. To me, that's fine. I mean, she had a problem with it for some reason. But I mean, you know, these women. Because you were sore for a week. Yeah. You know women.

I mean, you slap them around, you kick them in the hip, and they get a whole attitude about it. It's like, what the fuck? You cheat on them repeatedly, slap them around all the time, stay out all night, don't even have an excuse for it, slap them and then kick them and did they get a fucking attitude with you? It's like, dude, fucking man. I think the crazier part, like all of that is fucking lunacy to me.

Yeah. Spending 12 hours in a jack room by yourself. I don't think he was in the theater though. I don't think so either. I think he left with it. But that would be his story. Right. That's the story.

That's fucking nuts. We screened four films. They were wonderful. It's a French retrospective down there tonight. It's not even porn, actually. Right. It's not even porn. It's just pictures of French hills.

We're watching the 60s, new wave French films from the 50s and 60s with the fast cuts and all of that. We're watching that. We really want to get into how film is going to develop in the 70s here. We're going to watch some 70s pieces from the AFI list tomorrow. We're going to wrap it up with the sound of music. We're going to wrap it up with that, I feel like, because we want to be festive. There's a lot of dark shit in there. So we go.

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He, despite the cops dragging him away from her apartment and everything else, he keeps coming back. He sends flowers. He begs. He says, I'll do anything. But I just need you. I love you. So she says, OK, I will get together with you.

I'll get back together with you under two conditions. I think she should have said three. Number one was stop cheating on her. And number two was to go see a counselor. And number three, don't you ever hit me again. Thank you. I'll fucking kill you. I would say that would have been number one.

You never lay a hand on me again. A, B, and C. But once someone's knocking you around a lot, that's not the option. He will lay a hand on you again. For sure, that's happening. Especially if he's not stopped writing any. I could see if he was like, you know what? I'm so disgusted with my behavior.

I can't see this. But from her point of view, if he said, I'm so disgusted with my behavior. I can't see this, but from her point of view, if he said, I'm so disgusted with my behavior that I've stopped doing cycles, I don't care if it affects my career. I don't care what. I know I'm a monster when I'm like that and I can't control myself and I love you too much to ever hurt you, blah, blah, blah. I could see her going, oh, he's willing to change his whole lifestyle for

me. Maybe in her mind that would make her convinced, but he's just like, I'll be better. Is that enough? Strugging his shoulders. What do you say? What do you say? And she's like, counseling? He's like, ah, fuck it. Why not? Okay. And he comes back. This doesn't seem like enough here. So yeah, so they started testing, they started seeing a counselor first together and then just him, you know, get the lay of the land. And then he started seeing the counselor for his violence. The counselor considered it a huge step for him that he was seeking help because apparently he's not one to admit when he's wrong ever or say that he has any problems.

He's all ego and all pride and all. I'm perfect. That's it. Look at me. I'm perfect. A judge told me I was perfect. A judge judge told me i was perfect but judges tell me i was perfect also too i you know penetrated the guy faster than the other one but he also said my calves are pretty good so on top of that and i'm a fast fuck so i got two things going for me

uh right now so uh yeah she's he's not one to admit about this so the counselor even tells christy look this is a huge step and him he looks like he's really trying to change. This is totally against his character to even be coming here and doing this. So she thinks it's okay. She moves back in with him after some counseling and all that sort of thing. So frustrating. Roller coaster ride of this relationship here. This is when the narrator gets Christian again, by the way. He says, quote, and with God as his witness gordon wants to take the relationship one step further

with god as his witness uh so uh another friend said quote one of the things that gordon did to show christy that he really did want to be with her was that he proposed to her and he said yeah and she said yes so this was he gave her the ring and said we'll get married but this is like now he's down on one knee he He's doing the whole thing. This is when the documentary goes into some weird Christian shit about marriage and about the sacred bond. It's not just for a person. You're consecrating. I mean, they're going.

They gave us like the religious definition of marriage for like five minutes and how important this was. She picks out a wedding dress. She goes out to the store. $4,000 wedding dress. She's got to the store. $4,000 wedding dress she's got picked out. Which is so much they fucking cost. Even in 1993, apparently. $4,000 wedding dress. They're deciding on a venue.

DJ or band. I mean, how many Tupperwares full of potatoes? Are we feeding everybody that? Is that what everyone's getting or just us? Like, which one is it? Just the wedding party? Are we going everybody that? Is that what everyone's getting or just us? Like, which one is it? Just the wedding party? Are we going to have everybody eat that shit? Does everyone just get

like a vat of chicken next to them? Is that just grilled breasts that can pop in their mouth at the will? Or how are we going to do the meals? I feel like we need that. That fucking gross, by the way.

Yeah. They're like seals with a fish bucket next to them just tossing chicken breasts in their mouth. Fucking disgusting. Hilarious. Fucking disgusting. So they plan the way, they're like seals with a fish bucket next to them, just tossing chicken breasts in their mouth. Fucking disgusting. Hilarious. Fucking disgusting.

So they plan the wedding. Gordon stays in counseling this whole time. Gordon's in counseling. She's picking out a dress. Everything, everything is rosy as can be. This is I'm good now. Everybody's good now. Fantastic.

So at one point, I mean, even the whole thing with the violence had kind of stopped a little bit. The Thomason guy, the police officer that we know about who Gordon trains, he said that he once heard that Ramsey had gotten a black eye from Gordon. But he'd never seen any of the injuries himself. And he said that Ramsey and Kimbrough were, quote, both physical people. Quote, there was a certain amount of give and take in that respect. No. That's a police officer saying that. Wow.

That is a goddamn, I mean, he's a meathead jacked up police officer, bodybuilder, but I don't want to hear that from a police officer. You know, there was a lot of give and take. They're both physical people. She weighed a buck 25 and he was 250 and jacked on roids and a dude. Sorry. There's a lot of give and take. Yeah, he's giving beatings and she's taking them.

Yeah, exactly. The give and take is his fist gives and her face takes. It's fucking ridiculous. Jesus Christ, man. What a fucking disaster that was. How can a cop say that with a straight face? I had to put that. That's what I was like.

I thought about it. I'm like, it's a stupid quote and it's not a quote that we're like this is how it is but like this is a quote that's so stupid yeah and from a police officer that you kind of have to show that in 1993 even which seems like modern day this shit was handled much differently even in 1993 by far uh by far uh now april 3rd 1993 despite all this shit going on there's an article about women in fitness in the newspaper about the fitness craze for women and how they're trying to get in shape. And it's mainly about Christy Ramsey and the World Gym. Wow.

She's starting to get some pub now. It's all about women in this. There's a Sophie Taggart, who's a yoga instructor and a bodybuilding champion. And she said, quote, I don't know a woman who doesn't want to be strong. Not everyone wants the look, but everybody wants to be strong. I think we're trying to expand the variety of ways women can look and still be a woman. Now, this woman, she says, quote, and being a bodybuilder is just one more way a woman can look. So she's just saying this is another option for a woman's body, which is fine if you like

the way your body looks like that. She said that in kind of a shitty way. I don't like the way she described all that. It's a woman. Yeah, she said it very – I guess back then, though, it was less – it was much less like body positivity. Like if a woman didn't look exactly like people thought they should look, then you'd be like, oh, she's gross.

She's got a dick or she's this or she's that. And she's a fatter. Her arms are too big. That's gross. Yeah, it was very much. I mean, she can give you a handy better than you can. Fast, fast. She'll beat Gordon in the competition.

So, yeah, she says that, you know, several years ago, the bodybuilders tended to be small, like kind of, because in the 80s, if you look, because I looked at a bunch of these competitions, if you look at the 80s, bodybuilding, women's competitions in the 80s, they looked like the biggest jacked up guy just shrunk down a little bit. Weird. But they had the same muscles, the same definition. They were on so many roids. Sure.

Well, I mean, fast fucking veins popping out. You're like, oh my God. And then you go to like 1992 competitions. Yeah. Women are half the size. They're not swollen. They're just defined because in 1990, steroids became illegal in the United States. I got it.

So you couldn't just go. Anybody couldn't just go pick up some steroids and jack themselves up as much as possible. At that point, you either had to go to Mexico or you could get a prescription still. But I don't know if they would prescribe enough for you to be- That big. Yeah. They don't just say, how much do you need? Oh, you just want to stand in the mirror and inject it until you like what you see? Sure.

I'll just give you a, what, a bucket? I got a Tupperware of potatoes and a bucket of chicken. I'll give you a bucket of this testosterone too. You just have it all together in one meal. Make sure to eat with the testosterone. So yeah, she said that they would pump iron to get big biceps and all that sort of thing. But now in the 90s, it's kind of gone to just more in shape fitness, the Kelly Ryan look, the Christy Ramsey look, that sort of thing here. But the still the you know, that look is still sought after by some people.

Sure. She said, quote, It's typically the woman who is in Playboy. She's big breasted, very young and more often than not, blonde-haired with a very small waist. She said that's the look that people want, but that's not everybody's reality. And so you can kind of mold your body into something more that you would want it to be in this way. I don't know.

I mean— This Taggart, though, take whatever she says with a grain of salt because she's genetically she's not like most people because, A, she's five foot ten and a woman which is tall for a woman. And B, she won. She won the Miss America title in 1990 and placed second in the Miss USA in 1991. So, yeah, she's she's the girl in Playboy. She's I mean, she's she's this gorgeous, genetically perfect person anyway. And then she's like, you know, anyone can get a body like this if they just go to the gym.

And it's like, let's calm it down. Asshole. Yeah. Yeah. It's called genes. Yeah. You know, some people are predisposed to being fat as fuck. That's just the way it is.

Sorry. Yeah. That's just the way it happens. Not going to help any. I have a belly. If you look at my dad, he's got a belly. You look at my grandpa, he's got a belly. That's just the way.

If I don't go to the gym all the time, I'm going to have this fucking belly. That's just the way it is. You can't beat genetics. No. You really can't. You can try. Look at his hair. You can't beat it.

There's nothing I can do for this. No, you can't beat it. You can't fucking beat it. I'm fucked, and that's just the way it is. That's funny. By the way, that cracked me up this week. It was a quick sidebar. Yeah.

For some reason, there's some celebrity net worth thing that has me on there, which is ridiculous, number one. A, not a celebrity. B, there's a video of Jimmy doing stand-up on there under my name. And C, it says I have, brace yourselves,

this is the funniest thing you're going to fucking hear the entire episode. It says I have a net worth of $1.9 million, which is fucking hilarious. That is the, listen to how hard Jimmy's laughing because that's how silly it is. That's so much money. It's so much money.

If you're worth that, I'm worth that. Yeah. There's no fucking way. We make the same amount of money. No, we went to LA. We were eating fucking Subway. Six inch Subway sandwiches. And so we stayed at the vagabond inn that costs ninety nine dollars a night. Literally had a bathroom from the 70s because we're just cheap.

We're cheap and we don't. Yeah, we're just very cheap, rich guys. No, we don't have two million dollars. Two million dollars, brother. I'd pay for your room at the fucking Four Seasons. That's what I mean. We would have figured it out. And somebody tweeted that at me, and I'm like, if I had $2 million, first of all, I'd have health insurance, number one, and I'd buy Jimmy some hair.

And we probably would have flown to L.A. I think we would have. It would have been fine. Yeah, we wouldn't have driven there. We could have afforded to fly. Yeah, because we drove because it was like, well, we can't afford to do loopers and shit all over the place. That's going to be too expensive. Fuck, we need to drive.

Damn it. All right, fine. We need a car there. Yeah, we're in trouble here. So, sorry, the hair thing reminded me of that. Oh, 1.9. They are 1.9 too high. Yeah, I said drop the one and move that decimal way over into the way.

Way the other direction.ames is worth 90 dollars you might be close yeah that's about right yeah and that wouldn't be net worth my net worth would be negative so yeah that would be like what i have currently in my bank account it's the shit that you own you sell those shirts and hats yeah and then all of a sudden you've got i'm swelling there and my house that i had i got a mortgage on fuck no i'm a mess that just made me depressed to see that of how poor i actually am isn't it crazy oh i want to have that that would be great if that were true now like 10 years ago i saw jimmy kimmel was worth uh five million dollars he probably was worth one he was probably worth one then yeah now he's now he's doing now he's one then, yeah. Now he's doing just fine.

Now he's got way more than that. Yeah, he's doing great now. But he probably had one then. Yeah, full of shit. Because those fucking net worth sites are bullshit. Trust me. They are way off. Bullshit.

Come to my house and see my $1.9 million layout. Nasty. So back to this Taggart Ms. America woman here. She says about this whole thing, quote, I was much thinner then when she was in her competitive pageant days. Of course. But as thin as I was, I had the classic problem. My buttocks was dropping.

Oh, boy. She said that like that's one item. Yeah. Not both. Yeah. I had one buttock that really just wouldn't cooperate with me. My buttocks was dropping. My buttocks was dropping.

She had a droopy ass. She had a droopy ass. She said I had more cellulite and I was beginning to look like a pear. Weights are a way to counteract gravity and strengthen and shape the muscles. Okay. So, yeah, she's kind of, they use her as like, here's a woman that does this that's a feminine woman. Right. Not like, because they're trying to basically say like, you don't have to be like one of these muscled up, jacked up chicks.

You can be a feminine woman. Sure. And do this sort of thing. Like Ms. America. Right. you know, that sort of deal. The owner, Joe Talmadge of the gym, says, quote, there's been a significant change. As recently as three years ago, my gym membership was 75% men, 25% women. Now it's closer to 50-50, and about half of those women work with weights. In free weight training, the women tend to be more dedicated.

They come here more frequently than the guys, and they stick with it a little longer. So that makes sense. The women are kind of more dedicated to shit in general. Then they talk about Christy Ramsey. They talk about her. She's the holder. She won the Junior USA title by herself and then won the pairs with Gordon. They talk about her.

She's been bodybuilding about five years since she's been at the gym and met Gordon. Gordon got her really into it. She says, quote, before that I was really heavily into aerobics. Before I started weight training, I had a real thin upper body, big hips and thighs. Then she says, my hips and thighs decreased. I lost weight.

I toned up a lot in my legs, firm my thighs and buttocks and all that good stuff. In my upper body, I got more definition to my arms, back and shoulders. The old stereotypical woman with a large bust and small waist is really unrealistic for most women, she says. Quote, some of the clients I've had who've gotten into lifting weights are reshaping their bodies and it's a change they can make themselves. She says, my ideal is not to get huge and over muscular but to get toned and symmetrical. I want to be something that's pleasing to the eye and definitely still feminine. So this is

clearly a pitch to women to come to the gym and you don't have to be Sally McNeil to go to the gym. You can just be feminine and even throughout a lot of I don't want to say dog whistle type things but my ass was sagging. I had a big fat ass and thighs and now I'm thinner.

The problems that most women have. The problem that they think that most women are thinking about. They don't like their butt. They don't like their thighs. They feel like they're getting bigger. It's funny when they're doing that. So then they talk about the fact that she is engaged to Gordon Kimbrough, who they say has the classic male bodybuilder's physique. They don't mention that he jams steroids in his body until he sees results.

Or that he punches his wife. Or any of those things, really. He says that women's bodybuilding is changing. Gordon does. He says, quote, it peaked out about two years ago when we were seeing some of the women in extreme condition and knowing the only way to achieve this was through drug enhancement. Now that trend is to a more feminine look, saying the women aren't doing roids as much, basically. He said they train with weights, not just for competitive bodybuilding, but to increase

strength and fitness. He says, quote, I've trained a lot of females who are cops and firefighters. They needed the strength and mobility to pass those physical agility tests. I train a couple of fashion models who just wanted to lose a few inches. I bet he did more than fucking train them. You bet he did. And a lot of women just like the feeling of well-being, he says. So they're trying to act like this is just a huge pitch.

Then he goes into, I love the fact that this, I don't know how real this is and how any of you would relate to this out in the real world here. But then he says what people should be able to do in the gym, which is hilarious to me. He says that – Coming from a dude that's 5'10", 250 pounds and just always lifting. A little too smooth, but still overly – very well developed. He says that for a man, a man who weighs 180 pounds should be able to bench press 175 pounds. No.

Five to six sets of 10 repetitions each. No. That's what he says. I can't do that. Every man should be able to do that. Can you all bench your body weight in six sets of 10 reps? No. I don't think you can, most of you.

I can't. I'll tell you that fucking much right now. Fuck no. I'll give you some insight into me personally. I can do lots of push-ups, but that's not near my body weight. No, no, no. Yeah, can you bench your body weight 60 times? No.

I can do the bar probably four to six times. There you go. This guy. Fuck, that's a lot. And he's saying a woman that weighs 125 pounds should be able to bench press 90 pounds, which seems like a lot still for a woman who weighs 125 pounds. That's a lot of weight if they're not like a workout bodybuilding chick. That's crazy. On the incline press, a man should use 75 pound dumbbells and a woman should use 35

pounds. 75 pound dumbbells, zuh. Zuh. Two of them. Two of them on the incline press. That's 150 pounds. Yeah. No.

No. 75 pounds per arm. No. That's 150 pounds. Yeah. No. And each arm. No. No. 75 pounds per arm. No. That's what every man should be doing, Jimmy. You do that, then you go do 60 reps of your body weight. That's no problem. I do 40s, and I do it like five times because that's a lot. Well, do it 75 and do six sets of 10, and then you'll be okay.

And a woman should use 35-pound dumbbells. That's a lot. Your average 125-pound woman having 35 pounds on each arm going. He says that women tend to carry weight in the hips and buttocks. Again, they're going to that. And men do more – and they do more lunges than men to get rid of that. And men tend to carry weight in the waistline and should broaden the shoulders with chin-ups and military presses. This is his advice to you.

and should broaden the shoulders with chin-ups and military presses. This is his advice to you. Now, this whole thing here, there's some affairs that he's having around this time, April, where they're engaged and everything. They're so happy. There's newspaper articles about what a great couple they are, which I love when there's an article. I love when there's a fluff piece on a relationship that's having problems.

I love that. That happens all the time with our athletes, too. Him and his wife are doing some charity thing aren't they great their kids are so cute oh by the way he beats the shit out of her daily and they hate each other i think there was a uh an article in like the daily mirror or whatever the fuck about uh phil hartman and his wife several times about how great they are what a great couple they are how'd that work out you fuckers not wonderful not wonderful uh i miss you phil they are. How'd that work out, you fuckers? Not wonderful. Not wonderful. I miss you, Phil.

Oh, God. What a hero. I miss the shit out of Phil Hartman. God, I love him. So one of Christy's friends, Mack McCarthy, he's the same guy who helped her move out of the apartment

the last time here. He says that around this time, Ramsey leaves the gym one night coming home and discovers that Kimbrough is in his red Corvette outside having sex with another female trainer from the gym. How did he do that? In a Corvette. A 250-pound jacked-up guy somehow having sex in a Corvette.

A cheap penetration in that car. I don't know how he did it. She's a female trainer, so she must have some flexibility and some – I don't know. She must be very spry to be able to pull it off. He's driving a Corvette. How's he driving a red Corvette, first of all? But why, too? That tells you a douchebag right there.

I get why. Yeah, that's exactly why. How? There are cheaper ways to tell the world you're an asshole, first of all. And you have a little cock? Yeah. That you don't mind forcibly penetrating other men with? Fuck that car.

That car is stupid. Yeah, piece of shit, too, anyway. But never mind that. But yeah, she's having sex with, he's having sex with a trainer from the gym. Not just some random woman, a woman that they both know well. So as you can imagine, Christy, not thrilled with this development. A little upset. She decides, and Christy's been hitting the juice a little possibly herself, we don't

know at this point if she's on or off, But she rips this lady out of the car and proceeds to beat the shit out of this woman in the parking lot. Absolutely decimates her. Yeah, this is like, you know, just beating this woman in a parking lot. Several witnesses watched this whole thing. It wasn't like, you know, no one's looking. I'm going to jack this lady. She just whooped her ass in front of everybody. The McCarthy guy recalls, quote, Christy wasted her.

She wiped the floor with her. She beat the shit out of this woman in the parking lot. She takes out her anger against him on this woman is basically what she's doing. She can't hit him that much. She can't beat him. So she's like, I'll beat your ass then. I don't care. She clearly is not thrilled with this woman either.

Well, she knows her. They work together and she's fucking her fiance in a car that deserves an ass kicking too they both deserve an ass kicking let's just say that christy deserves to kick a lot of ass yeah so uh spring of 93 this is around this time this is right around the time this article came out uh this is they've decided to get married uh christy learns that she's pregnant this is gonna fuck up everything first of all she can't get pregnant she's gonna ruin her body she's she's pregnant. This is going to fuck up everything. First of all, she can't get pregnant. She's going to ruin her body. She's, she's not going to be able to compete the same way.

She's going to have to do, it's just an inconvenience for her. For sure. She's pregnant. Uh, the couple though, both of them decide that, and this is, this is the, the logic they have, uh, quote, the wedding dress was already, the wedding was already planned and the wedding dress was already made. So they got an abortion. Okay. Cause made so they got an abortion okay because they were like look you're not going to be able to fit in that dress and it was four grand it's way cheaper to get an abortion than it is to get a new dress see what i'm saying the alterations are let's put it off so that's

fascinating economical yeah conversation they left that part out of the christian documentary by the way i noticed they didn't say they left that part completely of the Christian documentary, by the way, I noticed. They didn't say they left that part completely out because they wouldn't have had enough time to then go into the 45 segments about the Bible. So they do that. Now it's at this time, too, that Gordon is linked to a

steroid ring, which is not shocking at all. His name came up in connection with a case of a fellow bodybuilder, a guy named Paxton Beal, who was arrested in June and pleaded innocent on charges of running an illegal anabolic steroid prescription scheme. Now, the police inspector said that he confirmed that Kimbrough's name is in tons of different charging documents concerning this Beal guy's case. But he declined to elaborate on the connection

between the two. But basically, Gordon is selling steroids for him, probably out of the gym. He's probably telling his clients, hey, I can get you a little bigger if you want. I know a guy, and that's what happens. We don't know for sure, but it's pretty obvious of what's going on here. It's pretty easy to connect some dots. I would fucking say so. So June of 1993, Gordon heads out to Durham, North Carolina.

This is about June 14th, 15th, 1993. Heads out there to assist his police officer friend, Thomason, who is actually going to be in a week-long competition out there. And he's going to help him. Gordon's going to help him. And I don't know what the fuck you do to assist somebody in that. Coach him. Tell him to eat more potatoes. I have no idea what he's going to help him. Gordon's going to help him. And I don't know what the fuck you do to assist somebody in that. Coach him. Tell him to eat more potatoes. I have no idea what he's going to do.

He said that during this trip, Thomason said that Kimbrough had been very frustrated the whole trip because he kept trying to call Christy. And he either couldn't get a hold of her or he'd leave a message on the machine and she wouldn't call him back. So he had a hard time connecting with her all week. So he was frustrated with that. But otherwise, Thomason said that he thought at the time that the relationship was on solid ground between these two. He knew about Kimbrough's other women all the time. But he said that he decided that in the last few months since the Corvette beating incident. It was that time period where he had resolved not only to Christy, but he even told Thomas in this that he was going to be faithful and settle down and stop being a fucking asshole.

All right. He's like, I'm not going to mess around on Christy anymore. I'm going to get married. I'm going to do this right. I'm born again. My devil horns receded back into my head. I'm telling you here. So Thomas says, quote, I told him she was a wonderful person, and I didn't think he would find anybody better than she and that he was very lucky.

So that's what to tell your friend. Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. So I guess on the flight home from North Carolina, all Gordon talked about was Christy the whole time. He couldn't wait to see her. He was very excited, you know, just excited to see her. All he talked about was her, how great she was, how great the relationship was.

He couldn't wait to get married. He's psyched at this point. This is a turnaround. This is a big turnaround for him. Yeah, a complete different guy. And we don't know what's going on on the inside, but this is what he's telling his gym buddy. Got it. Who's some other fucking jacked up guy.

So I would assume he'd probably tell this guy the truth. This guy knew about him fucking around before. Yeah. So why wouldn't he know now now while he's out of town though Christy went to Washington because her grandfather was sick she visited him for a couple days

comes back to town and she meets a man she meets a man her and her sister both had quote and this is so weird quote personal and professional relationships with this man. A guy named San Ramon. Oh, boy.

A guy named San Ramon. He's a European guy. Handsome as fuck. He's a European fella. Yes, very handsome. Yeah. European, and apparently, yes, they both had personal and professional relationships with him, which is very odd. I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth, but that sounds strange.

Anyway, now this guy apparently has access to modeling work and has promised Christy modeling jobs. Oh, boy. Okay. Her friend said about this, quote, while Gordon was out of town, Christy met a new guy from Europe. She felt a strong connection with him, a connection she didn't feel with Gordon. So he's out of town thinking about her and, I'm sure, getting all jacked up on roids and everything else. This hairy chest European guy. And she's meeting this guy, and he's giving her the business and giving her the full court press,

and I'm going to get you modeling work and all this. So she sleeps with the guy. Of course. Whatever. She likes him. She decides she wants to be with him. She wants a future with this guy. She wants to be with this guy. Of course. Whatever. She likes him. She decides she wants to be with him. Oh, boy. She wants a future with this guy.

She wants to be with this guy. She's decided. She can't get enough of that accent. That's true. Maybe she met the guy who – this is a good guy for her. People meet someone and they go, oh, this is the person. This is the one. So maybe she did.

She tells a friend about this. The whole deal, this is great. I can't wait. But she's got to tell Gordon. And all the while, this man is in I can't wait. But she's got to tell Gordon. And all the while, this man is in North Carolina singing the praises of Christy. He can't wait to get back to her. He's changed his life and turned it around.

He's bragging to his friends. Oh, this is going to decimate him. Yeah, I would say so. You see where this is going. She decides at this point that she's going to break up with Gordon. She's going to tell him about everything and break up and just say, I'm moving on. She's done.

She's going to make a clean break from him. In a much louder tone, she's going to have to say that. Probably. Well, she's scared about where and how to do this because she's scared he's going to fly off the handle. So she says she's going to do it in a public place where he's not going to probably, chances are less likely, he's going to slap her and kick her in the hip if they're sitting across from each other at Starbucks. Right. So that's a smart move. So they went to Jamba Juice.

So they went to Jamba Juice. She tells her friend where and when she's going with him. So, like, I'm going to be here with him in case anything happens to me. This is where I'm going to be with him. Whole deal. She said in a public place because she was afraid. So June 20th, 1993, this is when she's ready to tell him. Whole deal. She said in a public place because she was afraid. So June 20th, 1993, this is when she's ready to tell him. They both get in from out of town that day, or he gets back and she gets back from Washington.

She went for like two days. So he'd been, I don't know if Thomason won his bodybuilding competition. I do not have that stat, but I'm very sorry about that. I hope he didn't. I do too. I hope he fucking lost. Yeah. So she arranges, like I said, she's going to I hope he didn't. I do too. I hope he fucking lost. So

she arranges, like I said, she's going to do it in public and then she's going to go to her sister's house afterwards. Brilliant. Just to stay there. So they're all expecting her and like her sister, they're all like waiting for her at the apartment. Okay, when's Christy going to get here? She said she'd be done, you know, a couple hours. She should be here, that sort of thing here.

She said that there's a problem here though. While they're out talking, they get into an argument in the Bank of America branched parking lot on Lombard Street in San Francisco. They get into a loud argument. It's very odd. People saw the argument. Police arrived actually on the scene. Holy shit. It was that loud of an argument outside.

The police pulled up. This is the middle of the fucking city. It's Lombard Street. The tourists are probably calling the cops on her. So by the time the cops get there. I just saw the pastiest Nebraskans ever walking around with a bowl of clam chowder from the Fisherman's Wharf. With a fucking bread bowl. Walking around going, I don't know if this is okay here.

I think they do things differently in California. What do you think here? So that's hilarious so they do sourdough and domestic violence this is way different we do our domestic violence inside we do it inside this is very very ross aroni does weird shit to people that's the san francisco treat right there apparently a backhand from an angry bodybuilder. Not good. Go on. So, yeah. So they get into an argument.

The whole deal here. The cops, by the time the cops show up, he's on his knees begging her for forgiveness. That's when they pull up to the scene. He's on his knees begging her. And so the cops talk to them, blah, blah, blah. They decide that, I don't know how she decided that this was a good idea. She's going to go back to the apartment with him to get some of her stuff before she goes to the sisters. And he seems he's begging for forgiveness.

He seems calm. I think she thinks, look, I can get through this. I'll go in there. I'll get my shit. I'll weather the storm of his please, please, please. And I'll get out of there and never have to go back again. I think that's what she's thinking. Thank Christ I had an abortion that's what she's thinking.

Thank Christ I had an abortion is also what she's thinking. Yeah, thank fuck for that. Yeah, can you imagine that? So they go back to the apartment here. At the apartment at one point, Christy calls her sister Samantha crying and asking to be picked up from the apartment. She said, can you come get me? So that all happened here. Now, we don't know what caused that.

We don't know what went from him begging for forgiveness on the street to her calling, crying, saying, please pick me up. Who the fuck knows? But I assume he's a different guy inside than outside, I would imagine. So now when Samantha, her sister, would end up coming later on. But at this point here, a neighbor says that they heard, a man heard from downstairs, he lived right below them. He heard, quote, a very large crash and then a series of crashes coming from the apartment around 11.10 p.m. on June 20th. He said, quote, in my mind, it sounded like two guys wrestling. He said that he braced himself against the wall

because he was afraid the ceiling was going to fall. Holy shit. That's how much it was. He said he literally got up against the wall like it was an earthquake because he was afraid

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Gotta go home. Gotta go home, that's all you can do. So she's trying to figure it out. She's trying to call her sister. Trying to find her. She goes back in. It's 11 o'clock at night. What do you do? Nothing you can do. Got to go home. Got to go home. That's all you can do. So she's trying to figure it out. She's trying to call her sister, trying to find her. She goes back in. She's calling. There's a ton of phone calls to that apartment back and forth, her trying to get a hold of them, her calling other people, the sister trying to find her sister. It's crazy.

I mean, I can imagine the worry in this whole thing. So she goes back to the apartment the next morning, Monday morning, because she couldn't. Her sister never called her back, and she couldn't get a hold of her on the phone. After crying, come get me, please. Oh, God. Yeah, you're scared at that point. So what she does, Samantha Ramsey gets the landlord now, because it's morning time, gets the landlord to go up to the apartment here. And the landlord calls the cops, too, in just in case because they didn't know what happened. So they all go in together. Oh, boy. Okay. Well, they open the door calls the cops to in just in case because they didn't know what happened so they all go in together okay well they open the door the cops go in the sisters outside

they don't let the sister like lead the pack with a gun out you know go investigate tell us what's in there they didn't say that they were like you stay back and then we'll go in and we'll find out what happened here when they go in immediately uh g's on the bed. He springs up from the bed and grabs a butcher knife when they walk in the door. Bad sign right away. That's a bad sign. Springs up from the bed, has a butcher knife. They look down and they see Christy's body on the floor.

Not in good shape here at all. Kimbrough is over her standing there holding a bloody knife to his own throat. Oh, boy. Okay? He's doing this whole thing.

He also had injected his neck. He made a mixture of Lasix and Lysol and injected it into his neck in an apparent suicide attempt the night before. When the cops come in, he has a syringe dangling out of his neck. Oh, my God. Dangling out of his neck. He has a butcher knife in his hand, and he takes a handful of pills immediately. So they're like, what the fuck is going on? There's a dead woman on the floor.

There's fucking blood everywhere. It is not a scene. By the way, Lasix, in case you don't know, is a it's it's called. I looked it up on WebMD. It's a very potent medication. Using too much of this drug can lead to serious water and salt mineral loss. Therefore, it's important that you closely are monitored by your doctor while taking this medication. It's used to reduce, it's a diuretic.

It's used to reduce excess body fluid in a bodybuilder for a competition. Makes you less smooth. Lean. Makes you less smooth, I believe. He read that article. He's like, I'll never be called smooth again, motherfucker. Never. You're going to see some ripples in this motherfucker.

You bet your goddamn ass, man. Dizziness, lightheadedness, headache, and blurred vision may occur on this. But if you use too much of it, it is 100% will kill you. Yeah, it'll kill you. It'll fuck up your kidneys. It'll do the whole thing. So that's what he's injecting into his neck, which is amazing. And Lysol. He mixed that with Lysol. And he's like, that'll do it fuck up your kidneys it'll do the whole thing so that's what he's injecting into his neck which is amazing and lysol he mixed that with lysol and he's like that'll do it yeah doesn't do it no he's fine the next morning he apparently passed out for a while woke up still alive needle

hanging out of his neck cops banging on the door and so he grabs the butcher knife uh sergeant nancy brewer walked in uh at 10 39 a.m. into this apartment. And so, yes, she said she saw the syringe hanging out of his neck. He pops the pills in his mouth, and he drops to his knees and puts the knife to his own throat at this point here. So he basically took himself hostage is the way the cops put it. The cop said, quote, she's lying there dead, and he's holding a knife to his own throat. Horrible scene. And I'm picturing blazing saddles when he said he took himself hostage.

I'm picturing him putting the gun to his own head and I'll blow his head off right now. They're like, hey, he's just crazy enough to do it. Let him go. And he's like, oh, no, help me. Lord, help me. He pulls himself into the police station. I feel like that's what he's trying to pull. He's like, if it worked for Cleavon Little, fuck it. I'm going to give it a shot.

Doesn't work so much for him, as you might imagine. The cops don't go, oh, everybody back up. Let him go. He's just crazy enough to do it. He's just crazy enough to do it. Instead, Gordon says to Brewer, this police officer, Sergeant Nancy Brewer, quote, why did she do it? Why did she do this to me? That's what he says.

Why did she do this to me? She's dead on the floor. He then says, quote, there's no going back now, which is a scary thing to hear. That's what he says. Why did she do this to me? She's dead on the floor. He then says, quote, there's no going back now, which is a scary thing to hear if you're a police officer coming in. So what he does is he asks to speak to Thomason, Dennis Thomason, who's his buddy and also a police officer, his buddy from the gym. He says, I'm not doing. Yeah, he holds a knife and he says, I'm not talking to anybody but Thomas.

Bring fucking Thomas. Give me Dennis here. So they get Dennis. Dennis is there with, you know, 15 minutes later. And he's like, Jesus Christ, I just saw you yesterday. Everything was fine. What the fuck's going on here? This is not a changed man.

Hey, listen, guy. I don't know what you're doing, but just have a nice clam chowder and a bread bowl and relax. What are you doing? Have a half dozen potatoes and calm down, why don't know what you're doing but uh just have a nice clam chowder and a bread bowl and relax what are you doing have have a half dozen potatoes and calm down why don't you can i get you an orange dream machine yeah please i'll do it uh so apparently he shows up thomason gets there and uh then at that point they said uh brewer said about gordon quote he started sniffling and at that point he's getting sad he told police that thomason's the only one he'll talk to everybody else back off. Thomason, come hang out with me.

So Thomason suggests that Kimbrough could start his life over. He said, you can start your life over. And Gordon said, yeah, where? From jail? I'd rather be dead, is what he tells him. Eventually, though, this Thomason somehow convinces him to drop the knife. Really? So he drops the knife, and he surrenders it to the police.

They take him to the hospital for observation because he had a syringe hanging out of his neck, and he took a handful of pills. They want to see what that's all about. They were also, at this point, they were drug testing him. They were trying to figure out what other drugs were in his system. They're ordering tests for anabolic steroids, obviously, because they're kind of thinking maybe that's why he snapped for no reason like this. Or not no reason, but that's an unreasonable response to I'm breaking up with you, I feel like.

They also wanted to, investigators wanted to determine the content of a large number of pills found at the home. All sorts of weird weightlifting supplements here. They talked about also being there one time before their domestic fight that one time. They take pictures afterwards and Gordon has deep, deep fingernail marks on his body. Okay. Deep. She really fought back. She really struggled, and we'll find out exactly what happened.

What he ends up doing is he finds out they argue in the apartment. Yeah. She says she's leaving. Her sister's coming to get her. He pushes her down, okay? Now, he pushes her down. Okay. Now he pushes her down. You're at a breaking point at this point. You've just pushed her down, which is terrible.

You haven't struck her. You haven't hurt her. You can say, sorry, turn around and go back. Hope she doesn't call the cops on you and leave this woman alone for the rest of your life and whatever. Or you can say, fuck that. I'm going in full bore. How dare she? Which is what he did.

He pushes her down. He then was looking for something around. He grabs a clothes iron, which is close by. An iron, like a big fucking iron. And he hits her in the face with it a couple of times. Wails on her with the iron. Then he takes the iron cord, wraps it around her neck three fucking times. Jesus.

Three times. Now, even though she's got a cord around her neck three times and being strangled by a very strong man and has been hit in the face with a fucking iron twice, she's still fighting. That a girl. She's a tough one, man. She's fighting. She's fighting him hard. I mean, he's got marks all over him.

She fought like a motherfucker. He actually finally, though, he's too strong for her. He's overcoming her, but he's a little tired of getting scratched and all that sort of thing, so he finds a knife nearby, grabs that, slashes her throat, and then stabs her also in the chest. So that's how the police find her.

They find her on the ground with a cord wrapped around her neck three times and a huge throat cut and a gaping stab wound in her chest. And he's using the same knife on him. It's dripping. It's got blood all over it. Imagine walking into that scene.

Yeah, that's a nightmare. Not what anybody expected at all. Apparently, after he did this, after he stabbed her, he kind of snapped back into reality. Yeah. Fucking roid rage. As it would do. Yeah, he had her fucking rage. And he was

like now i've got a body whoa yeah this is a whoa situation he goes to the bathroom and washes off his face and tries to like you know get his shit together uh he said he feels bad but he didn't try to help her at all no uh he instead prays he said he went and prayed for a while which this documentary was very excited about oh i'm sure he was now prank they were saying look the way they put it too they were like look i mean you know if you pray to god and god knows you're sincere god will forgive you yeah now the mortal world not so much you got your problems there but the lord you can get yourself straight with the lord like admit what you did to the lord it's like that has nothing to do with this there's a dead woman and let's talk about that it's fucking documentary uh so he

he prays uh he then starts making phone calls oh boy he's hanging out it's the middle of the night he's making phone calls doesn't tell anybody what happened yeah he's just talking to people telling them they broke up got christy broke up with me i'm sad well his feet are on her body yeah well she's on the ground well he's sitting on the couch with his fucking feet on her chest uh he calls a female friend of his at 3 30 in the morning jesus uh she said quote i was startled when I heard the phone ring. It woke me up. Then I heard it was Gordon and I asked him what was up with him and his breathing and his voice

changed and he said that he and Christy had broken up. I told him something like, don't worry, you guys will be back together and in no time it always happens and he said, no, I don't think so. He fucking knows so. I said, where's Christy? And he said that she was at her sister's house.

So he was even lying to her. Why would you call her? I don't understand what he's looking for. He's out of his mind already. People are horrified. All the friends are horrified. Everybody is because they all feel guilty. They watched this happen in front of their eyes here.

They asked people at the gym. Obviously, the press does. And everybody said the mood yesterday at the gym was extraordinarily unsettled is what they called it. Yeah, I would say. Six people said that. Your top trainer, yeah. They also said she's invariably friendly. Your top trainer killed your top aerobics instructor.

I would say that's an issue here. One of the gym people said, quote, what happened in this case is truly the dark side of the gymnasium world, comprising all the beneficial effects of dedicated weight training. Yeah, I would say. It's representative of a lack of respect for women. It reflects the way men are socialized, and I also think the size and nature of individuals who get mega-sized, like Gordon, reflect an insecurity about their position in life. Yeah, your cock's small, and you need to get women in Corvettes and big muscles. Every one of them.

Yeah, it's fucking horrible. Thomason, the friend, said, quote, this is a terrible tragedy that's occurred. Regardless of other factors, those people were hurt by what took place in their own way. What remains to be done is a difficult ordeal for everyone involved. Yeah, I would say. No shit.

Regardless of everything else that happened? I mean, he's a real bad fucking quote guy. Yeah, he's the same guy who's like spokesman you know they both fought a little bit and everybody he punches her she punches him you know it goes like that's this guy no well he's a fucking gordon's meathead gym buddy what do you want you know thomason you're a dickhead you're a dickhead thomason so they do testing uh he's obviously done lots of steroids uh there's cocaine in her system, which is interesting. Yeah, there's cocaine in her system.

It doesn't have anything to do with the case, but it's just the European guy was probably partying with him. I don't know. But, man, it doesn't matter anyway. It had nothing to do with her being killed. So now July 93, he's arraigned. There's a lot of domestic violence groups outside picketing about him and this gets a lot of pub. This is a big fucking deal. Friends of hers

have fundraisers at the gym for the San Francisco Domestic Violence Consortium. She's become a big face of this thing here. It's crazy too because all of this steroid shit, I was looking up tons and tons of steroid shit

as I have for multiple episodes now. All these goddamn steroid things and the amount of testosterone that these guys are fucking pumping into their bodies is just this stat here. Normal males produce

50 to 75 milligrams of testosterone per week naturally. Athletes who use anabolic steroids for muscle building and performance enhancing benefits have reported taking doses equivalent to 1,000 to 5,000 milligrams a week. Oh, my Christ. Think about that. 1,000 to 5,000, your body makes 50 to 75 milligrams. That's too much. It's fucking insane here.

And they show, too, in the studies that 600 milligrams a week is kind of the tipping point for aggression. If you're doing more than that, that's when it's like, that's when you're going to get the aggression. If you do a little less than that, they say it really doesn't affect your personality.

And a lot of people say, too, I know guys who are older guys who use HGH and they use steroids and that shit with their doctors and all that. If you use a little bit in moderation, it can be good for your body and good for certain things, but not if you're just doing it in this certain way. Yeah. So they talk about this a lot. They talk about this a lot. They mention Gordon Kimbrough in these studies also because he's one of the people they study, like how many murders with right rage and all that sort of thing. So he kind of becomes part of that whole lexicon. He becomes the face of the bad guy and then she becomes the face of the good person, the battered wife. The battered wife.

Which she is. It's just so goddamn depressing. It is. The fuck it's insanely depressing. It's just so goddamn depressing. It is. The fuck. It's insanely depressing.

It's almost just really depressing because advocacy groups. Hard to say. Yeah. And they're going to latch on to a very tragic. And it's fucked that both sides are going to get advocacy groups taking advantage and fucking just exploiting their situation. It's fucked up. Well, yeah. They only need to get attention.

That's how you get attention. You got to have a big case and go from there. Just treat somebody nice. What the fuck? Yeah, I think we've all understood that this isn't going to happen here. Yeah, it's not. It's not. The prosecutor said, quote, he's charged with murder and will be putting on evidence we feel will warrant the first degree murder indictment.

Good. First degree murder. be putting on evidence we feel will warrant the first-degree murder indictment. Good. First-degree murder. His defense attorney, Martin Lurie, he said he expected about 20 to 25 witnesses to be called. They said it's an undisputed killing. Yeah.

But he wants to get manslaughter out of this deal, saying it was a crime of passion. Wow. The defense attorney says it was a, quote, very unfortunate circumstance between two people very much in love. Fuck you, dude. You fucking asshole. Wow. He says.

She was not in love. She was trying to leave. You fuck. Breaking up with him to get Eurocock. Clearly. No. He was. What an asshole.

The lawyer says, quote, it was done in the heat of passion. When everything is said and done, it will be voluntary manslaughter conviction. He's guaranteeing it. That's what it's going to be. Calling a shot. Yeah. Now, with manslaughter, the maximum sentence would be 13 years instead of murder, which is a shitload more. Right. Lurie, the defense attorney, said he's going to be

punished severely no matter what happens. It's like, it's all fine. Don't even worry about it. He remained in jail on a $500,000 bond, and his attorney, when asked how he was doing mentally, he said, quote, not well. Which I don't fucking blame him at that point. He had a syringing out of his neck. He took a mouthful of pills.

Killed his girlfriend. And then put a knife up to his throat. And you're asking, you're telling us, he's not well? Really? Not feeling okay? This is like three days later. He's not feeling good, huh? So the trial starts in January of 95.

Defense attorney, the Martin Lurie guy, he's seeking voluntary manslaughter. That's what he's trying to push to this jury for the 13 years. Now it's life sentence on the other side for the first degree murder. They do opening statements. And his lawyer, Lurie, the defense attorney, told the jury that Gordon, quote, exploded in uncontrollable rage and killed Ramsey after Ramsey declared she was seeing another man and wanted to call off the wedding. And he couldn't control himself. He's on steroids.

He couldn't control himself. It's a rage. It's a crime of passion that any of you would have done the same thing. No, that's that's the funny part here. It's fucking he makes it sound like this was a reasonable response, which is fucking ridiculous here. The Martin Lurie really wants that voluntary manslaughter, though. He makes it sound like this was a reasonable response, which is fucking ridiculous here. Martin Lurie really wants that voluntary manslaughter, though.

He said that he tells the jury that Christy Ramsey told Kimbrough she had sex with another man, and the man was going to take her to Europe, and she was calling off the wedding. He said, quote, passion welled. His world was crashing down on him. Well, yeah, that happens, but you're not allowed to kill the person who's causing that. He's taken tons of steroids and can lift it back up. Exactly. Right on his back. So the prosecutor says that they had a confrontation and that they talk about the Lombard Street

Bank of America parking lot thing where in this she screamed, somebody help me call the police. That's why somebody called the police because she screamed that out. So that's she was afraid of him there. For sure. And they're trying to say that he forced her to come back to the apartment. They talk about Samantha Ramsey not being able to contact her sister, getting called crying. They had diagrams of the phone calls made by both Kimbrough and Samantha Ramsey, the sister, showing that she was calling constantly and he was calling like a whole shitload of people just in the middle of the night after this happened.

It's nuts here. They have six men and six women on the jury, by the way. That's nice. An even jury. That's fair. Fair, you would think. Nobody can complain about that shit anyway. The prosecution is trying to say that this was premeditated, that he thought about killing Ramsey, and this was not a reaction to her revelation.

This was what he had to begin with, which it is a reaction to her revelation. But the fact is that it doesn't matter because he was prone to do that, we'll say. I think that should count as much as premeditation, the fact that you expect this shit from him. We expected it, Your Honor, so it's first degree sorry i mean it's obviously premeditated in that he he he predatorily exactly uh and and what's the fucking he that makes it manipulated her situation in the bank of america parking lot yes to get her back to the house so that he could do this that's the premeditation like i don't think he was he wasn't flying on the plane going i'm gonna put a set up a scam and kill crusty tonight it was the fight in the parking lot he was, he wasn't flying on the plane going, I'm going to put a set up a scam and kill Krusty tonight.

It was the fight in the parking lot. He was like, I'll get her home. This was a reaction to that, to where then he planned to kill her 15 minutes later, which is plenty of time to plan. It wasn't heat of the moment. No. She didn't, everything wasn't fine. They didn't go to Jamba Juice and then get back to the apartment. She was like, by the way, fuck the Euro guy and we're not getting married anymore.

Huh? That wasn't what happened. I fucked a Euro guy and have no taste for potatoes anymore. Sorry, I'm none. I will not eat any. So the prosecutors, like we said, seeking the first degree murder here. He calls

the first witness Roberta Hollins, who's the person that he called at 3.30 in the morning. She said that he thought he sounded suicidal on the stand. He sobbed in court, Gordon did, as the police sergeant, the brewer woman, described the whole scene and finding the Christie on the floor and him standing there with a knife. He sobbed in court. They presented graphic pictures of her body to the jury, which you would expect they're stabbed and strangled and slashed and everything else. And he was shaking and covering his eyes with a tissue when that happened. He was acting like it really hurt him bad. He couldn't even look.

They had to take a recess. He was in such bad shape. They took a 10-minute recess and he returned to court appearing fine at that point. So Sergeant Nancy Brewer testified that she went in there. She saw the syringe hanging out of his neck. He said what she told him. She says that he told her, why did she do it? Why did she do this to me?

Like we said before, the whole deal. They repeat that. And then finally he testifies. Oh, boy. He's going to testify. This is brave. Because he's got no other choice. He's admitting to the killing.

So he needs to get sympathy. There's no like, wasn't me. That is off the table at this point. His thing has to be, I couldn't help it. Feel bad for me. No, it's a ballsy move, but like I said, you have no choice. It's his way to show that he's not just a monster, basically, and convince them that it wasn't premeditated. Like his lawyer said, it was a killing in the heat of passion.

Kimbrough is here to tell us what happened. That's what he tells the jury. On the stand, he testified that he called Christy to tell her that he loved her three days before he got home. And the attorney said, did you kill Christy Ramsey? Right away. He interrupts him and jumps in with that. And without a beat, he said, yes, I did. Didn't even take a second and be like i did

yes i did that was really did you kill her yes i did like it was one of those like you know did you fly to north carolina last week i did yes yes i did uh then the lawyer said do you take responsibility for it and he said yes i do wow well that's all you need to do apparently and then they dismissed the case and he went on with his way. He's actually a five-time national bodybuilding champion nowadays. And Christy is in an unmarked grave. No, none of that happened. They still went on.

He talked about their relationship. The police talked about how there was a lot of domestic violence and that old police report that said that was a fight, by the way, whether that was going to be allowed in or not. Really? Every one of these cases it's a fight. That was a fight, by the way, whether that was going to be allowed in or not. Really? Every one of these cases, it's a fight. It was a fight with OJ.

Yeah, you're right. Whether the 911 call from New Year's Eve is going to be allowed and all that shit. And that's what, if they were going to convict him, it would have been on Nicole saying, I'm fucking scared of him and him in the background kicking doors and going, I'm going to fucking kill you, Nicole. That's a tough one to overcome. It's OJ Simpson. You know him. This is OJ, goddammit. Nord's a tough one to overcome. It's O.J. Simpson. You know him. This is O.J., goddammit.

Nordberg's at the fucking door. Come get me. I had 2,000 yards. So he testified, too. He admitted to pushing her and slapping her after the O'Farrell Theater incident here. By the way, the whole time, he had his hands folded neatly on his lap. Really? The whole thing.

He's trying to look very calm and not like a psychopath who's a giant monster. He spoke about how he loved Ramsey and they competed in bodybuilding contests together. They worked and lived and traveled together. And that was just the yin to his yang in the whole deal. He said that the relationship began to show signs of strain that he just blamed on the bodybuilding competitions and all of his affairs. But then he said that there was a switch after the O'Farrell incident. He said, quote, she was very angry because I didn't come back that night. We got into an argument and I ended up pushing and slapping her.

Like we said, then the cops came. He explains that whole thing that we talked about. Now she tells him about – he talks about the abortion. He talks about whole thing that we talked about. Now, she tells him about, he talks about the abortion. He talks about the wedding plans, everything else. He also says that Ramsey had heard a rumor, and this is what they were arguing about that night, that Kimbrough had been with another woman. Now, she's breaking up with him, so that doesn't make any sense, but that's his story that he says. He says, quote, she was just screaming really loud, don't lie to me, don't lie

to me. And that was the whole Lombard Street Bank of America incident. And then he got mad and then she screamed. I don't think she would scream, don't lie to me, don't lie to me. Then somebody help me and call the police. You know what I mean? So I feel like he's lying. She's not aggressing anything. She's breaking up with him and he's

being angry is what it is. He said that he told her it's not true and that you have to believe me. Then he talked about the attack though. He said that she told him she'd canceled the wedding plan. She slept with another man. The whole deal. There it is. There it is. He says let's do it in their own words on this one.

On how he does this whole thing. He says in their own words quote, she told me from what she had done, she was convinced she didn't love me anymore. I was shocked. I felt a splitting, burning pain, a feeling of complete despair. The iron was right there. I remember pulling the cord so hard it came out of the back of the iron. The knife was right there by the stool. The next thing I remember was seeing blood. I thought, oh my God, what have I done? I ran to the bathroom and splashed water on my face.

I remember coming back into the room. I couldn't bear to look at what had happened, what I did. I shut the lights off and began to pray to God and to ask for forgiveness for what had happened. I began to pray for her soul. Oh, boy. That's what he says. Pray for her soul? I began to pray for her soul.

Oh, boy. Pray for your own, first of all. So selfless, sir. Yeah, that's what I mean. He killed her, but immediately he's back to his regular self like he is now in court, a guy who you shouldn't convict a first-degree murder. Because I'm fine now. I'm good now.

Right. I'm good now. This is all okay. Everything is fine. It's obvious what happened. Clearly. They argued in the Bank of America parking lot. He convinced her to come back to the house to get her shit.

They go to the house, and then he's begging more, begging more. And then she says, look, I fucked another man. I'm not in love with you. And then he's like, you what? Yeah, what? Now what happened? I got a sunbeam right here. Holy cow.

And he blasts her across the face with it. He couldn't even pony up for a decent iron. He's got that cheap, shitty hotel one. Sunbeam. It doesn't iron your shit. You go back and forth. Why doesn't it work? These triangle marks all over the place. Yeah, fucking hotel one. Sunbeam. It doesn't iron your shit. You go back and forth and say, why doesn't it work? These triangle marks all over the place. Yeah, fucking terrible here.

It doesn't iron the shirt, but it'll damn sure burn the decal right the fuck off. You got that. Poke it right off with that point. Now, obviously, that's all fine and good for him to say this on the stand, but the problem is, for him, is there also has to be cross-examination. Yeah, that's a problem. A DA kind of has a field day with a thing like this. On cross-examination, he testified that he never called the police,

which is a big deal, didn't call for medical attention. She couldn't have been that concerned about her. That when he spoke to friends on the phone, he didn't tell him what he'd done and, in fact, lied about it and lied about her whereabouts. So he wasn't looking to absolve himself is what we're talking about here. Definitely not trying to get her any help. No, that's the other thing here. Telling people she's not there.

No, she's either dead or at least at minimal bleeding out. Yeah, that's the thing here. So then they bring in more. The prosecution had brought in the witness that's testified about seeing them in the in the parking lot of the Bank of America, the whole deal. They do closing arguments. The closing, the defense attorney describes the breakup with with Ramsey and that she told him she'd met another man, the whole deal. And he says, quote, his world was basically crashing down upon him.

She called off the wedding and she says she canceled her wedding, her wedding dress. That's the last thing he heard. He exploded at a point beyond anger. The room was spinning and he went at Christie. That's the last thing he heard. He exploded at a point beyond anger. The room was spinning and he went at Christy. That's the defense attorney's... Why though? It's like this woman's rejecting you while all these other ones are approving and blowing you in your fucking... Yeah, exactly.

In a Corvette. Because it has nothing to do with that. You convinced a woman to fuck you in a tiny ass... In a tiny two-seater. You may as well have fucked her in a phone booth. It's true. You would have better luck. Marry that woman. Yeah her in a phone booth. It's true. You would have had better luck. Marry that woman.

Yeah. No, this is because it's not about her. It's about him and his ego. And everything that he does is about his ego. Now, February 1st is verdict day. Yeah. Or as the Christian documentary called it, quote, mortal judgment day. They literally called it mortal judgment day.

All right. I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me. All right. So from now on, it's mortal judgment day. right i was like you gotta be fucking kidding me so from now on it's mortal judgment day wow uh the hubris the fucking hubris jesus christ uh jury uh convicts him yeah of first degree murder uh obviously in the beating and strangling he didn't get a lot of sympathy from them here uh the district attorney said he was glad the jurors didn't let their emotions cloud

the judgment during the case. I would hope they let it cloud their judgment the other direction. During the trial, like we said, he was sobbing at different points in it. He said, quote, they were able to recognize when they were reacting subjectively. They apparently decided early on that it was not manslaughter. They did not accept the defense. After the verdict, the defense attorney said that, I quote, I'm sorry they saw it the way they did. The jury had its own interpretation. Yeah, you know, the one where he stabbed a woman and slit her throat and strangled her with a fucking iron cord. What an asshole. Right? Jesus. Now, the jurors, they talked to some of the jurors, and they said that they'd been close to a verdict on a couple of days before the verdict,

but they were still haggling over whether there was first-degree or second-degree murder. Never manslaughter. They were just haggling between first and second. The defense attorney, like we said, asked for manslaughter. Now, jurors about this, they talk about this a little bit. They talk about how it took about eight minutes to kill Christie, which is a lot of time and a lot of time that he could have called for help and all that sort of thing. Changed his mind.

Changed his mind, do all a lot of time and a lot of time that he could have called for help and all that sort of thing. Changed his mind. Changed his mind. Do all that sort of shit. One of the jurors, an Alan Sons Freilich, said, quote, the iron itself was a weapon. He had to think and invent a weapon out of its cord. Basically, he thought basically that night he did have those thoughts. So I can't not I can't disagree with her. Yeah. The jurors said that the his use of steroids and her use of cocaine and all that played very little role in any of the decision.

They didn't care. It was just he showed up and fucking killed her. That's it. Shirley Ramsey, the sister, said, Christy can rest in peace. Nothing can bring her back, but this is closure. We can at least go home now. So at least they got something. They felt a little bit better.

Jesus Christ. That's fucking, you know, it's ridiculous. And, you know, what do you expect? They said, the family said they didn't have any doubts in their mind that it was murder. Well, no shit. Yeah. Terrible, man. Fucking terrible, this whole thing.

So they're all disappointed. He's in fucking jail. He's sitting there. He's gone. We're going to get a sentence in a minute. Yeah. but uh at this point he's just awaiting his sentencing i like how the jurors all talk shit about him i love when they talk to the jurors and they're like oh no no we we we had him pegged as a scumbag from day one we never were gonna be lenient we didn't give a fuck about that guy he just wanted to be fair total dickhead yeah we had to act like we were

listening and shit but no we he was fucked up so So he's sitting there in the lockup now. He's waiting for sentencing, which has to be scary, especially when you got convicted of first-degree murder. You're thinking about how long his sentence is going to be. You're thinking of it, but he's still obsessed with food. So think about this. He's sitting in his jail cell, and he's like, I need food. I need food. He's like, where's that fucking tray?

Where's – I need a Tupperware full of potatoes he's banging on the cell he doesn't know why nobody's bringing food and then he smells food he smells something he's like what is that smells like what is that pasta and sauce i don't even know what that is and the cell door opens and it's my grandma and she says, Ma, how is it you've come to arrive here? Ma, why are you here? Right. You have a nice girl. She's very nice.

You two together, you do things very nice. You get oily, shiny, like the skin of the seal. And you come and you kill a nice girl. Why do you kill her? Why? I understand you want to go out in the Corvette with the other girls. You're a man. That's what you're supposed to do. You have 1,000 milligram testosterone.

Too much. Too much testosterone. But why do you kill? You know what? I don't like you. I take pasta back. No, no. You're no good.

You get away from me. You get away from me. And then the guard comes and my grandma leaves. And that's it. And Gordon's very confused. He's very confused. He does not understand why there is an elderly Italian woman with pasta in the California State Penitentiary. Very confused, but he really wanted that pasta because it smelled delicious because my grandmother can cook her little Italian ass off.

So anyway, the anti-violence people are very excited. Anyway, the anti-violence people are very excited. One of the people here, Lenny Marin, who's the San Francisco Family Violence Prevention Fund president, says, quote, it's very encouraging to have this type of verdict. There's never any excuse for domestic violence. They did a study here. San Francisco homicides in 1991 and 1992 showed that of all the murder cases with a female victim, 64% were related to domestic violence. Wow. That's fucking bananas.

Bananas. Wow, that's high. Think about it. On the other side, it's probably 12%. I'll bet it's lower. I mean, we do small-town murder. Women are killing their husbands, too, but not at this fucking rate. But if it is, it's also like— A snap.

It would also be higher if you counted the ones where he beat on her so then she killed him. That's what I mean. Yeah, the Barbara Peterson story. Marilyn, we had on Small Town Murder when she got beat for 20 years and then said, I'm going to shoot him while he's watching Jeopardy. I fucking had it. I'm done now. April 3rd, 95, he has a motion for a new trial. He has his request for a new trial denied.

Yeah, they denied. The judge denies everything that he fucking puts forth for all that shit to delay the sentencing, to reduce the conviction from first to second degree murder. April 4th, 1995 is sentencing. Before the sentencing, his sister, Danita Alleycock, gives a tearful begging for mercy for Kimbrough. She holds a Bible in her hand the whole time, which the documentary was very happy about. Begged the court, she said, quote, my brother committed this crime in a fit of passion after being unexpectedly rejected by the ideal woman of his dreams. And she started quoting passages from the Bible.

And then she said, quote, I've come to beg this court for mercy for my brother. He's a loving brother and a loving, caring soul. It's in your hands to temper justice with mercy. So his sister put together a fucking plan. Yes, she tried. She had Bible verses ready with like post-it notes. She could go right to him. Yeah, she was sobbing as she spoke.

And she just she was just sobbing and sobbing. Yeah, she said that the Bray was an unreasonable response to a breakup is the way she said it, which I think is probably the understatement of the year. Yeah, but she did say, we've come to court today to beg for mercy for Gordon. Both sisters were there. They were holding hands. The one had a Bible, like we said. Now, Samantha Ramsey's got a different take on it, sister of Christy. She looked straight at Kimbrough the whole time. He was staring ahead, not looking at anybody. Samantha says, quote, it's always been about you.

You have been so selfish throughout this entire process. You manipulated and humiliated Christy by constantly lying, cheating, and abusing her. The pain in my heart is indescribable. I lost my best friend. I will forever be haunted by the panic she must have felt as her life was being taken away from her. You insulted her. You mutilated her. You degraded her.

And finally, you exhausted all those vehicles of control, and you murdered her. My Christ. Christy smiled, laid up a room. You will be remembered for taking that away. That's fair enough right there. Yeah. She said it's only right that you should spend the rest of your life in jail. The mother, Shirley Ramsey's mother, had a photograph of her talking about her. Kimbrough wouldn't look at her. She sobbed. The mother saying, I didn't get to finish raising her. My life will never be the same. She was the kindest, sweetest, most loving daughter.

I keep thinking of how she must have suffered. I i could bring her back but i can't i just don't understand how you could do this i just can't stop thinking about how much she have suffered did she suffer a lot and then she broke down in tears and had to leave his dad can you fucking imagine that i can't that is fucking sickening vicious oh my god right there uh so the uh the judge uh denies another request for a new trial right before sentencing. And then he gives his sentence. This is Judge Douglas Munson of the Superior Superior Court. And he says, Gordon, you, sir, may fuck off 27 years to life for first degree murder. Get fucked. Take a hike. And and also recommendations on don't let this cocksucker out when it's time.

So, yeah, he goes away now. So that's a 27 years to life, which is 27 years is his minimum, which is that's a fucking long time in the joint. That's a joint. But this is 1995. Think about that. That's close. That's close. Yeah, that is close to 27 years to life.

And wait till we hear what he's up to. He's a fine, upstanding citizen in jail now also. Now, at this point, I mean, Jesus Christ, man. What a piece of shit. First of all, I feel horrible for these fucking parents. The parent and the sister, the things they said, they really led it on the line. Her parents and sister, obviously, Christie's. And they had a plan.

I mean, exactly how they felt and exactly how their hurt was expressed which to a jury has to be powerful and to a judge who said i mean i'm sorry a judge who's sentencing right that has to be still powerful you know that this person was loved it wasn't like it was a you know some person who was sleeping under the bridge and no one had seen somebody in the way they never had any family and no one knew or anything like that they're any less valuable but still you. You know what I mean? This whole thing. Imagine that fucking gym. That is terrible publicity. The worst.

Terrible publicity. It doesn't get any worse. I mean, I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not nearly as bad as I feel for especially this guy, Gordon Kimbrough, who's a 50-year-old Sacramento resident. Oh, Jesus. Northern California.

Right there. Right there. Five years away in age and everything man this fucking poor bastard i don't know what he does for a living but people assuming he got out whatever it is he does not eat any potatoes he will not eat a potato or chicken breast just just a not he 86 himself away from jamba juice yes yes yes uh by the way i'm going to save the second one for a moment here uh july 30, 1996, there's an appeal. They have an appeal.

The appeals court upholds the sentence of 27 years to life. They tell him to take a fucking walk, eat shit after that. So he's in jail here, as we know, for the duration. May of 1998, a Sports Illustrated article called The Muscle Murders talks about him. They talk about Gordon in prison. They also talk about John Riccardi. They talk about like three people, Burtle Fox, John Riccardi,

all these different people they talk about. All these guys that we've done. That we've done. There's a couple left in there that we haven't done, too. Also, they talk about in this article how now he trains clients by telephone from Mule Creek State Prison in California. how now he trains clients by telephone from mule creek state prison in california he's fucking training clients by telephone that's not all though uh the second mistaken identity isn't so mistaken it's him oh my god he's got a fucking linkedin page what the

shit asshole you'd never know he was in prison by his linkedin page because he's wearing a tie and an argyle sweater and he's in a car So you never know he's in prison, but he is in prison, saying that his occupation is peer coach, and under company is UPS, which is prison system, not fucking murderer. He didn't put, yeah, UPS, like he delivers packages. It's not UPS. It's not UPS. It's fucking murderer.

That's what it works for. You know what he's doing right now? He is doing a program. This is fucking ridiculous. Called Goge, G-O-G-I, Getting Out by Going In, it's called. It is on their website, Goge's website. It says, quote, the U.S. prison system is not sustainable and more than 90 percent of all prisoners will be released back into our communities, most with nearly impossible odds of success. Their solution, getting out by going in, is a positive cultural movement created by prisoners

for other prisoners that serves as an alternative to the violence and crime rampant in U.S. prisons. Offered in cost-effective programming and in-cell self-study courses or correspondence courses, GOGI programming further supports the positive decision making of the u.s prison population and better prepares them for success upon release that would be all fine if they were doing that in prison in jail bettering themselves because they will get out someday and they need to have some life skills can i tell you can i tell you why the crime is rampant in prison because they're fucking criminals there's a lot of criminals there would be my guess tons of them

what the fuck is he talking about? Fucking tons of them. But what they're saying is so they don't continue that on the outside. I got it. But what he's doing, he's not in prison doing this. No. That's the problem. There's a Facebook post from 2015 from this group's Facebook page with him standing in front of a glass door that says City Hall outside. What?

front of a glass door that says City Hall outside. What? Not in cuffs, not in shackles, wearing a dress shirt, tie, an Argyle sweater, and a Kangol hat smiling like he's going to City Hall to apply for a fucking business license. It's insanity. It says under the picture, the caption. Oh, Jesus. Okay. Of the picture.

Yeah. It says, quote, peer coach Gordon Kimbrough takes on City Hall doing the Bay Area Goji thing, exclamation point. Wow. Like he's out on the fucking town. Wow. He murdered a fucking woman horribly. Viciously.

Savagely. Savagely. What are we doing? I mean, the only thing that separates him from that Jody Arias is a few gunshots. And steroids and a bunch of potatoes. Outside of that, it's the same fucking thing. That plus potatoes. Now, there's comments on this Facebook post.

Most of the people are nice. Somebody knows. Someone said, quote, I'm all for people paying their debts to society. But seriously, a peer coach? To whom? Would you want this man as your, quote, peer coach? Do you know what he's serving time for? No shit.

You know what their response is? They responded directly to this guy. I'm riveted. Our peer coaches are proven over a long period of time to make positive decisions. We're sorry for any pain he may have caused in the past, and we're grateful that he has the Goji tools for his future. Or maybe he should have a little bit more time. What the fuck is that? Other people are, like, posting, I have pictures of you, Gordon, from the gym back in the day.

I'll mail them to you. Somebody said, hello, I remember you. Gold's Gym. God bless you and keep in touch, friend. What? You butchered a fucking poor girl. Holy shit. Holy shit.

What the fuck? That's Gordon Kimbrough, everybody. We don't take domestic violence near serious enough. Fuck no. This is ridiculous. We do. Me and you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Fuck no. This is ridiculous. We do. Me and you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Society clearly does not. Society as a whole. Why is anybody calling that man friend? Never. Peer coach. He's not my peer. My peers don't murder fucking women for no reason, you asshole. I'll make a vow to you right now that that man is not my friend.

No. We're not friends with him. Jury of his peers would have been a jury of 12 assholes. That murdered women. Woman murdering testosterone-filled assbags. So that's that. That's Gordon Kimbrough. Wowza.

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