Crime in Sports - #111 - The Worst Kind Of Double Life - The Diabolicalness of Bob Hewitt

Episode Date: March 26, 2018

This week, we talk about a man that was ahead of his time, in his profession, and his attitude. He was a rebel, for the times, but also appeared to be an upstanding citizen, and even went to the hall of fame. What everybody didn't know, and wouldn't find out for decades, was that he had a secret life, where he committed some of the most vile acts imaginable... For over a decade. It's a creepy, horrible tale, but we give him what he deserves, in joke form!Get elected to the hall of fame, become a national hero to your adopted country, and destroy the lives of several people, then act like it's not a big deal with Bob Hewitt!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows... Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!!!Los Angeles San Diego Sacramento San Francisco Portland Seattle Chicago Philadelphia New York NashvilleContact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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He's too smart to be an idiot. He's a complete asshole. We'll get into it. It's crazy. Before we get into that, just want to thank you guys for your iTunes reviews. My goodness. We're pushing up toward 5,000 on Crime and Sports, which is great. Thank you, guys.

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We talked to Mandy Maloon from Episode 79. Bananas. Mandy Maloon. We have to say, we love Mandy Maloon. She's. Bananas. Mandy Maloon. We have to say we love Mandy Maloon. She's fantastic. What a great person. She's a good person. It's odd because we do all of these and we don't hate these people. Some of them we do. There's a few.

We hate Buck Zumhoff. Yeah, he's a piece of shit. We hate Dave Meggett. There's a few guys, a few people like we say. Kelly Lane I don't like very much. There's people that we don't like, generally, but some of the people, we're like, I'm really rooting for this person. And you know, it's based on the stories that we find, which are based

in fact, obviously. Yeah, court documents and such. It's hard to argue those. So you tend to make an opinion and an intellectual opinion based on the information you have. So we, you tend to hate the people that are real pieces of shit. And you can tell.

When we do this whole episode, too, and you get two hours of somebody and we really go up their ass with a microscope, too, when you get all of that, you really start to see a character of a person. A picture of a person, for sure. The picture comes through and the pieces start coming into form. Even at the end of that episode, I believe we said something like, I don't think she's a real terrible person. No, she's not. And she's not a bad person.

She had a hard time. Yeah. She had a hard time. And she went through a tough period. And she did some things that weren't great. And that's the thing, too, is she'll say, yeah, that was a mistake. I didn't mean to kick that guy. That's what I mean.

She's 100% owns up to shit she did wrong. And she honestly was really cool to us, too. She said she liked the show. She thought it was funny. She friended us all on Facebook. She said that we got most of it right, as a matter of fact, except for a couple little things, something about her childhood, stuff like that. But that's the hardest stuff to find.

So I felt proud of that. We didn't butcher the story, either. And you should be proud of that, that you fucking invested in somebody that you don't know, somebody that has a very small level of that, that you fucking investigated somebody that you don't know. Somebody that has a very small level of fame. You know what I mean? And you still found shit about her childhood to talk about. It's interesting.

But yeah, we're pro Mandy Maloon over here. So yeah, Mandy Maloon's good stuff. We hope everything's working out well for you. We root for you. She was one of those people where we weren't like, ah, she's not a bad person. It was just, you know, she just did some shit that was a little crazy and it kind of product of her environment that's how when you get treated the way the poor girl was treated yeah in terms of the of how she was coached and oh god yeah man vicious to her middle-aged white

men all over the fucking place i don't blame her people i don't blame her like i said i i totally see how that happened and that wasn't one of those where you're like, Jesus Christ. You know, it was like, oh, fuck. She's one that you root for not a follow-up other than what we're doing right now. Exactly. So a positive follow-up for Mandy Malone. We like Mandy Malone. I think that's the first one.

That's the first one. The first one where we're like, you know, we did an episode and here's a little bit more about her. Yeah. And it's positive. She's a fantastic person. She's also not bad. Yeah. She's also a good person.

And her brother's very nice, too. Nice family. They're good people. They're good people over there. Crime and sports. This is a crazy one. Let's do this. Have you ever heard of Robert Anthony John Hewitt?

No. By any chance. Bob Hewitt? Oh, no. No. Oh, I don't know who that is. I didn't think you would. And I love finding these guys.

Is it tennis? It is tennis. Is it? It is. I think I have heard of him. is. I didn't think you would. And I love finding these guys. It is tennis. Is it? It is. I think I have heard of him. Okay. I would hope you have. He's an Australian South African guy.

Okay. I haven't seen him then. No. I've just heard of him. God. First of all, I can't. We have to describe what he looks like. Does he have a shoe?

No. Okay. I was going to say maybe that's why I know of him. He might have had one from back in the day, but we'll talk about it. They've long ripped those off the shelves if they did. Scrubbed them clean that they ever existed. This isn't like the Black Superman where it's kind of funny. This would be like

no one's wearing those shoes. They would have a negative connotation to them, we'll say. These shoes here. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. We have to talk about his look right away. That's the most striking thing about him. He looks like Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day.

That's what he looks like. There's a picture of him. As a tennis player, he looks like that? In his 20s, he looked like that. We're talking Homer Simpson balls. Nothing on top. Just around the sides. Terry Bradshaw do.

Yeah, but it was like gray. He looked like he was 48 years old when he was 27, this guy. Just looks like somebody's dad. That's awesome. Who has just worked in an accounting firm for 20 years. He's very tired. And that's what he looks like. So right away you have to.

Phil? Yeah. Ned Ryerson. Ned Ryerson. That's what we're looking at here. I can see it right now. I can see his face and everything. Imagine Ned a little pudg Ryerson! That's what we're looking at here. I can see it right now. I can see his face and everything. Imagine Ned a little pudgier, and that's what you get.

That's playing professional tennis. How do you do that as a tennis player? Let's find out. Here, January 12, 1940, he's born. So he's an older cat. I can't describe how old he looks. It's just so funny. He's born in Dubbo, Australia. D-U-B-B-O. I'm going to how old he looks. It's just so funny. He's born in Dubbo, Australia.

D-U-B-B-O. I'm going to call it Dubbo. Someone's going to occur. It's fucking Dubbo. It doesn't matter. It's Dubbo. Small town, actually, here. It's in New South Wales.

It's about 400 kilometers from Sydney. Gotcha. So it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. He comes from a small town here. He started playing tennis very young. And when he was just 17 years old, people started noticing him already. In Australia, some small town playing tennis. That's how good he is.

And he's a great tennis player. No one can take that away from him. He's fantastic. When he was 17, he was noticed by an international tennis coach named Vic Edwards, who sounds like a slick guy that drives a convertible, doesn't he? He's got greasy hair, a lot of chest hair popping. Anybody named Vic, always. And Edwards, I don't know, Vic Edwards, how you doing?

It just sounds very much like it's not his real name. He's got a very, like a Slavic last name, or he's like Albanian or something, but he's like Vic Edwards. Every time I hear used car salesman, I see the guy from True Lies. Every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every goddamn time. It's hard not to. And I've known a lot of car salesmen in my life because my mom was in the business for

30 years. And I still, every time. That's the one. That's exactly what they are, by the way. He's the guy. He's a poster boy for them. Yeah, there is no lie about that. That's just the truth.

They all look like that, so they should be called. They wrote that character based on buying a car once. And they're like, yeah, that's the guy. Yeah, that pretends to be a spy on the weekends. Jesus Christ. Well, Vic Edwards was in town doing a country coaching clinic. This was like outreach to the sticks to find tennis players and help them out here. He found Hewitt and thought that Hewitt would be a good international tennis player.

He said, this kid's got more talent than just to sit around here. Sure. You know, you should let me take him under my wing. We'll get him out there. We'll get him doing some things. He tells the parents that. And the parents are, you know, sort of into it here. He's a pretty big guy, too, especially for back then.

He's born in 1940, 6'3", 205 pounds back then. So that's a big guy back then. Good thing he's that tall. Yeah, yeah. I mean, with for back then. He's born in 1940, 6'3", 205 pounds back then. So that's a big guy back then. Good thing he's that tall. With that shit hair, not many people are looking at it. That's the thing, especially back then. Maybe they would let that slide a little bit here. Now, their whole family, the whole Hewitt family,

was very much into sports and that sort of thing, and they were really, really happy that Vic Edwards drove up in his convertible, Han Mazamiata, got out with his medallions and his chest hair flowing in the wind and said, your son, I'm taking him. They said, yeah, all right. Get him in the car, hurry, because I got a meeting in England, because I'm a spy, you see, and I've got to catch some people.

I'm going to buy someone's daughter in about 15 minutes. So I don't have a lot of time. For two hogs and a chicken. If we could speed this up a bit. Jesus Christ. Horrible. So Hewitt's parents here, this is supportive shit. Yeah. Like both of our parents, we come from like a very kind of shrug and I don't know, whatever.

Best of luck. Did he eat today, I guess? I don't know. He's alive. Fine. We came from that sort of environment, not a real like, oh, well, we need to sacrifice everything. So that's just not the environments either of us came from.

So this is like far as shit. My son is going to a birthday party tomorrow that's a Nerf gun birthday party where you're supposed to bring your own Nerf gun. And I went and bought my son a Nerf gun today. Like, that's the type of parent I am now. Yeah, we're better parents. Because I didn't have that shit. If my parents found out I was going to a Nerf gun party. I just wasn't going to that party.

They'd give me a handful of rocks and tell me, throw these. Yeah, I would have been like, they would have said, like, just go. Someone will have an extra Nerf gun and then I wouldn't have gone because I wouldn't have wanted to go. Take your socks off. Ball one of those up and throw it at somebody. No, that's not going to work here. These fuckers, though. Call it a grenade a grenade yeah they'll never know the difference you're going with grenades so these parents though are a different breed yeah and this is back then too this is before kind of the whole i don't know now if an international tennis coach told you your

kid had potential like parents would do more now because that's like a big deal but back then they just be like i don't know know, we have a business. They had a family milk business. What? They're like, I don't know, he's going to be milking cows, so is that good for tennis? That's amazing. Because that's what he's going to be doing. But not these people.

Right. These people sold their milk business and moved to Sydney. What? That is a sacrifice, man. They changed their whole livelihood. I'm blown away by that. I can't believe that. The support. Sold their whole life. Sold their whole life, that. I can't believe that. The support.

Sold their whole life. Sold their whole life, moved to the big city. Start a new one. From a small town. Wow. So he could play tennis. So he could compete in local tennis tournaments. Yeah.

I mean, that's like, you're putting a lot of eggs in that basket. That's somebody that's got tennis elbow. A lot of milk and eggs in that basket, either one. That's somebody that's got tennis elbow from tugging on a on a cow tit yeah for years and years and it's like i don't want to do this shit anymore let's bank on junior uh crushing the tennis ball that's what it is man that's what they did that's what they did they took him to be under the tutelage of vick edwards riding around looking for young honeys in the convertible here uh all the young guys all them young chickies. One of his sisters stayed behind in Dubbo, but his three younger siblings, that was his older sister, his three younger siblings all moved too.

So this is like a company move. The whole thing. Four kids and the parents, and they left one sister behind here. The father bought a bakery business in Sydney when he got there, and then his father ended up becoming a part of Vic Edwards coaching team. He's like, I've been working long enough. I am going to Britney Spears this shit. And I am going to just make sure to kind of be in the estuary of my son's talent, basically. If I just hang out right here in this little area and float, I'll not have to work very much.

Maybe there'll be some money around that I can just scoop out of the water and jam in my wet fucking trunks. That's all it is, man. So he would work odd jobs while he was still in school, too. Bob would make extra money because he wanted to be in, like, every single tournament, even though his parents would give him money, all the money they could to be in tournaments. There would be some gaps in what he needed.

I imagine. He would do that. It's an expensive thing, tennis. Fuck yeah, dude. Especially for these tournaments. It's goddamn expensive. A racket alone is insane. It's expensive.

And then shoes. And then you've got to look nice. How crazy is that, that in tennis, there's very few that look like they're breaking a sweat. Do you know what I mean? They don't look disheveled. They're from gene pools that don't sweat. That's why.

They're from weird blue blood. It was funny. I was talking to Sarah last night about that, and she goes, you know, you don't have a lot of hockey players. And I'm like, mostly all they do is DUIs. And it's weird. There's not a lot. And tennis is the same thing.

It came up because I feel like to play hockey or tennis, they're so expensive to play as a youth. You have to come from a half-decent family, at least a half-stable family. And guided in a good direction. Which slashes your chances of becoming an asshole in half just because your parents had the wherewithal enough to buy you hockey pads. They probably also had like a stable house and you ate dinner every night. And a ride to the games.

And a ride. It wasn't like some crazy environment. It wasn't like some of these guys we've talked about. It was like, you know, they're doing armed robberies at 10 because their mom's a jailed prostitute and shit like that. Just to buy trunks for boxing. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it's not the same thing here.

Bob also delivered newspapers. He worked for a soda company for a while. And he also worked at the post office. Jesus. He loved the post office. He said later on, quote, I always had a soft spot for the post office. Jesus. He loved the post office. He said later on, quote, I always had a soft spot for the post office for they paid better than anyone else

and I had a great deal of fun trying my best to foul up Australia's postal service. What? He was trying to fuck things up. I think that's just his sense of humor. He's got a sense of humor and he's also a crazy person, by the way. For tennis, especially in australia back then

he has never been seen before he's john mackinrow 20 years before john mackinrow screaming yelling throwing his racket cursing on the court and back then that was like he was like an alien they didn't know what the fuck to do with him in the 80s with mackinrow even they were like jesus but this guy then they were they didn't know what to do with him like he would be he got banned from certain places for language and shit like that. Oh, this is awesome. Yeah, it's super weird here. He's a Lenny Bruce of tennis. This is great. He kind of is. Calm that enthusiasm.

Let's curb that enthusiasm. Just a drop. Just a drop because I don't want you to be embarrassed later. Okay. I like him. You don't like him. I don't want the words I like Bob Hewitt to be on audio with your voice behind. I just said it. So now it's on me, but I don't like him. Okay. I don't want the words, I like Bob Hewitt, to be on audio with your voice behind. I just said it.

So now it's on me, but I don't want you to be there, too, okay? It's not good here. So he left school when he was done. He got a job with Dunlop, the racket company, which is a perfect thing for him. He was in the warehouse, and also he learned to string rackets. And they even gave him time off to play tennis there because they encouraged that with their employees. So it's

kind of a perfect thing for there. He says he was always in some kind of trouble, always some kind of controversy ever since he came on as a teenager. Fiery temperament was a big deal, which made him really famous later on, but he could have been famous with just his playing. He didn't need this here.

Started his professional tennis career in 1958. He's mostly a doubles player. He plays more doubles than singles. He's a tremendous doubles player. We'll get to all of his titles in doubles. It's insane. I'm sure. All you've got to play is half the fucking court.

He's probably playing the frontman position, being as big as he is. I'm not sure. Actually, they rotate. I think they do, based on the... But his career here, he wins five Grand Slam titles. Jesus. While between 1958 and 1967. Okay.

Which is pretty outstanding. And doubles and that sort of thing, and we'll get to those. 1963, he's at the Bournemouth Championships. Bournemouth, I'm sure it is. Sorry, even though it's mouth. Fucking mouth is a word. Jesus Christ. Anyway, go on.

It's in the UK, so you know it's pronounced wrong. Yeah, it's definitely Bournemouth. It's Burnmeth. Right. You know it's Burnmeth. Yeah, it is. You fucking know it's Burnmeth, and it shouldn't be. It's Bournemouth.

It's Bournemouth, you cocksuckers. Drink your milk. Sorry, listen to shouldn't be. It's Bournemouth. It's Bournemouth, you cocksuckers. Drink your milk. Sorry, listen to Gavin Grant episode. You'll understand that. So he's at this tournament in the U.K., and he meets – I've tried to pronounce her name for four days now. Delayle – Delayle? Delayle? I don't know how to say it.

D-A-L-A-I-L-L-E. Okay. Delayle? I don't know. Nichols. It's probably Delayle. Delay. Nichols. It's probably Delale. Delale Nichols. Don't listen to me.

I clearly know nothing about that. He's going to sing. We're going to listen to the shout outs at the end of the show and get Jimmy's opinion on names. It's probably, if we got the correct pronunciation, you'd be like, no, it's not. I guess it could be Delilah if you really looked at it the weirdest way. If you tried hard. She's from South Africa, so maybe it's spelled different. I don't know. You know what? Let's call her Delilah, if you really looked at it the weirdest way. If he tried hard. Well, she's from South Africa, so maybe it's spelled different.

I don't know. You know what? Let's call her Delilah, because I don't think I can say Delale for the rest of the show, because that's really weird to say. Delilah Nichols he was going out with, sure, who is a beautiful young girl. She's a blonde. She's also a tennis player. Of course she is.

She was playing on the international circuit also at the time. He meets them, and they become an item. I don't know how this bald bastard was. She's considered a beautiful, great tennis player and a smart woman. Listen, there are hot chicks that dig bald dudes. It's true. But on this tennis scene, you're around a bunch of strapping, athletic young guys. Tell that to fucking, what's that douchebag?

The bald guy. Andre Agassi? That's the one. But he was hiding his baldness. Yeah, but he got all kinds of hot chicks. But he wasn't walking on the court looking like Ned Ryerson talking about fucking where's a model for me. That wasn't happening. But basically he was.

I mean, shit, this guy is. Agassi looks like a penis with eyes. He does. He looks horrible. Oh, my God. His head is not even a good bald head. It looks awful. Yeah, but this guy looks like roll-on deodorant. He's that

bald and he's white and he's just this I can't imagine with all the other guys running around. I don't get it. But apparently their relationship will last a long time. So apparently they you know, I don't know. She must have really got

he caught her attention somehow so uh this was a big deal though because it was two different tennis players and they were the media got all involved in it you know the tennis media i don't know what the international tennis media was like in the early 60s but probably seven people it was all the rage this relationship everyone was talking about it. It's like the UN. There's one representative from each country. It's kind of. It didn't deter them, though, from having a romantic relationship. They liked the attention. They didn't mind it. She's South

African. She's also a model, by the way. This is what I mean here. She's a catch. She's a catch. She's an athlete. I hear she's very intelligent, too, is the other thing. It makes no sense why this woman would want this man. But, well, it's fine. This is what happens.

She wants him so much that on September 26, 1964, they get married. Wow. They goddamn get married. And how long they've been dating? A year? A couple years. Yeah, a year and a half. They get married.

And he is an Australian guy here. But he decides to move with her to South Africa. So this kind of changes his- I hear South Africa is amazing, by the way. I hear it's also the most awful, dangerous place. Yeah, yeah. Right now it's pretty dangerous. You can't walk outside without being robbed.

But it's beautiful. It's like 1975 Bronx with scenery. You know what I mean? Except nothing's on fire constantly. So I don't know if you want to go there. Yet. Yes, it will be soon. Now it's on fire.

Sorry, I had to wait one moment for that. And now, okay. So he ends up becoming a South African citizen. Wow. Actually, switching his citizenship, which is a big deal because when he plays in international competitions, he's now playing for South Africa. So Australia's like, fuck, we just lost our guy. He's like our best tennis player.

Now he's, what the shit, man? He was born here. He's ours. God damn it. It's basically how Puerto Rico feels. Yeah, yeah. Kind of the same thing. They're all constantly with our baseball.

They're just like, what the fuck? We had a great team for a minute. They took him. Damn it. baseball they're just like what the fuck that's we had we had a great team for a minute they took him damn it so this guy here known for his temper on the court but people off the court a lot of people didn't dislike didn't like him either he wasn't a he wasn't a real well-liked guy because he was kind of a dick uh people mainly arrogance rudeness rudeness and insults uh he's my kind of dude so far, man. Okay.

No, he's not. Remember, okay. I want everyone to remember this quote because I'm going to bring it up in about an hour 20. He's my kind of dude, man. So far. Quote Jimmy Wissman. Okay.

No, you didn't say so far. I did say so far. Well, I cut that part off. My kind of dude. Quote, end quote, Jimmy Wissman. Remember that. You're going to wear, I'm going to get you a t-shirt. Bob Hew off. My kind of dude, quote, end quote, Jimmy Wissman. Remember that. You're going to wear, I'm going to get you a t-shirt. Bob Hewitt is my kind of dude by the time this show's over.

So, at this point, the media calls him the bad boy of tennis. This bald looking like somebody's math teacher is the fucking bad boy of tennis. That's the bad boy. Come on, man. That's how gangster your sport is, tennis. Yeah, exactly. He's the bad boy. Looking like somebody's dad out there.

Looking like he's going to yell at you for leaving your toys out in the yard and you hit one with the lawnmower. I hope Paul Roost takes a picture of Ned Ryerson and then puts the bad boy in tennis on him. You kind of have to when you see this guy. It's ridiculous. This is great.

So 1967, he is ranked number six in the world, which is his highest career ranking. So he kind of hits career grace here, but not really because he really kind of goes on and has a damn good career. There's an interesting thing here. They say that part of the reason he switched citizenship to South Africa, it's kind of a gray area because it happened, I don't know, 50 years ago. So whatever. But is that he kept being overlooked by Australian selection committee for the Davis Cup team, which was your international deal. He got pissed.

And so he apparently there was a guy a guy named harry hopman who helped put those together and he didn't get along with him yeah didn't like him whatever so that's why he said i'm going to fucking south africa appreciate my shit i'm leaving audio boom for not paying me and i'm going and i'm sorry that's i got caught up that's what was going on in my head i was seeing us defecting from england right now exactly. And telling England to go fuck themselves because of Audioboom. That's what it is here. That's what it feels like, you know? So we'll go over some early career shit in his doubles career.

61, he's a runner-up at Wimbledon. Him and his partner, Fred Stoll. All of these early ones are Fred Stoll, which makes me think of comedian Fred Stoller, which I picture him out there playing tennis with Ned Ryerson, which is not athletic at all. It's never happened ever. This is him. I don't know. And then Ned Ryerson, come on, play the front.

Like the two of them together would be an awful tennis team. So they're the runner-up in Wimbledon that year, runner-up in the Australian Championships in 62. One Wimbledon was the winner in Wimbledon in 62. Australian Championships in both 63 and 64. Wimbledon winner the winner in Wimbledon in 62. Wow. Australian championships in both 63 and 64. Wimbledon winner in 64. Fuck. Runner-up in the French championships.

Runner-up in Wimbledon in 65. Won Wimbledon in 67. You blew it, Australia. He goes through. This man's a champion. French Open, he wins it in 72. Jesus. Wins Wimbledon also in 72.

So in 72 doubles, they won Wimbledon and the French Open. My Christ. This is when he switched to, in 67, he switched to Frew McMillan as his partner. Frew. F-R-E-W McMillan. The worst name ever. Wow. That's terrible.

We'll talk more to him later on. We'll hear from him. How did that fuck not change his name? How do you stick with that? No shit. How do you get to 12 years old and be like, I'm going to hang on to it? Yeah, I'm doing it. Kids are so fucking vicious.

It might be a nickname, too. No way. Who knows in South Africa what first names are? You know what I mean? It could be worse. It might be like Fruligar or some shit. It could be so much worse. It could be terrible.

Fruligar. What the fuck is that? That's not a name. So, yeah, so wins Wimbledon in 72. Wins the U.S. Open in 77, which we'll talk about for a minute later on. Wins Wimbledon in 78. I mean, this is killing it. Mixed doubles here with women.

He played with Billie Jean King in 70. Wow. I saw there who she does not like him, by the way. No? No. I'm sure she doesn't. She's probably not a good dude. At all now.

My kind of guy. Remember that. As a mixed doubles, he wins the Australian Open in 61, the French Open in 70, Wimbledon in 77, and 79 won the French Open, Wimbledon, and U.S. Open in the same damn year with two different partners, too.

That's insane. Which is pretty fucking impressive as far as that goes. He knows how to play doubles. Sounds like it. A lot more doubles finals, though. I mean, just tons of them. French Open, all these different Open tournaments that he did, too, a million of those. God, there's one in Little Rock, which is – they're always – Vienna, Stockholm, Johannesburg, all these cities,

and then I saw Little Rock, Arkansas. Monte Carlo was right after Little Rock. You should never have those things together, ever. They're not the same, everybody, at all. Not even fucking close to the same. Vienna is on the list. That's for sure played on clay because you can't – what a horrible, horrible way. That always looks awful.

It's all lined with tires. What a shit fucking court that was. Stop and slide. It's the worst thing ever. So lots and lots of tournaments, though, he wins doubles-wise. It's pretty impressive, honestly, he wins doubles wise. It's pretty impressive, honestly, his whole doubles run with everything. He's one of the greatest doubles

players in the history of tennis, which that's something, I guess, for you if you're interested in that. Just a couple of little notes on his tennis career. June 24th, 64, there's a big article on him beating a guy named Tomas Koch in four sets. 12-10 in the second round of

Wimbledon. Yeah. A big deal in a singles thing. Okay. 3-6-6-4, 3-6-6-3 if you're a tennis person. Koch must be great. No, well, he beat this guy. Yeah, that's what I mean.

He must have been a good player for us. This is a big deal. He must have been good to get there. Yeah, to the second round. In 1969, okay, he gets in a guy named a British guy named Roger Taylor. Not that Roger Taylor. Not the musician. There's several Roger Taylor musicians. None of those guys. It's an athlete. They're

in Berlin and they're apparently got in an argument in the locker room and apparently Did Roger owe him money? He treats him like he did. Hewitt starts abusing this guy and just starts calling him names and everything else,

and then also takes a swing at him. Oh, Jesus. When he's done yelling at him, he goes over and takes a swing at him. Well, apparently this guy, Taylor, by the way, is a member of the, Jesus Christ, of the Handsome Eight. Oh, boy. Which was a team. These tennis, they do world.

He's one of the eight people in England that's handsome. Yes, he's one of the two. Yeah, he's got straight teeth. He's very good. He signs up to be, there's a bunch of these like traveling tennis teams. Like these rich guys would put together world tennis championship tours. It's so weird. And so he was a part of this one team called the Handsome Eight, which was put together by Lamar Hunt, who's the guy who started the AFL, which is now the AFC of NFL football.

He was the owner of the Chiefs. Wow. The Hunt family still owns the Chiefs, I believe. Yeah. So this is a big guy here. He was also apparently, because 68 was peak AFL. Yeah. That was when they were about to merge. Right. And He was also apparently, because 68 was peak AFL. That was when they were about to merge. Right.

And he was also. Loaded with cash. Yeah, and he's also creating World Tennis Championship tours at the same time. And you're calling him the handsome eight. Yeah, the handsome eight. So apparently this handsome Roger Taylor here, this handsome bastard who was known for his massive eyebrows. I saw a thing that said. So handsome. Apparently in the.

Well, all the Beatles had big, bushy eyebrows, too. That's what chicks wanted in the 60s in England, I feel like. Well, you couldn't tell because they had such long mops anyway. Yeah. That was a dumb – I'm not going to get into it. This guy. What a dumb look. Used to be a boxer also in terms of tennis also.

Oh, God. Taylor? It's this Taylor guy. Jesus. So Taylor dodges the punch and punches, catches Hewitt above the eye and opens up a big cut over his eye, leaves him stumbling around. So he'll dish it out, but apparently he doesn't take a good punch in the head very well. Shouldn't have done that. The guy with the mustache over his eyes drilled you and drilled Ned Ryerson.

Yeah. Caught you lovely. lovely yeah that's what you picture picture one of the guys from oasis punching ned ryerson picture one of the gallagher guys punching ned ryerson and that's what you got right there unbelievable in a tennis lock while everyone's wearing really high white shorts picture that also which makes it much funnier. And sweaters. Not just sweaters. That crushed velvet polo. You know the one I'm talking about? Like a cashmere V-neck.

Yeah, it's like velvet. It's the worst fucking. The 70s were the worst for fashion. Terrible, man. So October 23rd, 1972. This is in the Naples Daily News. This is Naples, Florida, by the way, not Naples, Italy. There's a big article. It's an AP article but I got it out of this one.

It's called Bob Hewitt, the Jekyll and Hyde of Tennis. This is hilarious. They talk about this recent match where he's... I love the way this is read because it's a 1972 newspaper article. Just moments before a boisterous Bob Hewitt had stood

in center court and using his racket as a fungo stick had batted a line drive in the general direction of the umpire trailing it with a series of expletives. So he hit a ball at the umpire and then cursed at him. He felt he'd been robbed of an ace when the official called a

let ball on his serve. What ends up happening? Jesus Christ. Is that when he tags the net? I don't know exactly what that is, but the setting of this is what you have to understand. This isn't Wimbledon. Like, he's not like, this is cost to me international. This took place in the parking lot of a racetrack.

Oh, my God. This is like some little tennis tournament. They're using parking stripes as the net. They called it on the parking lot of a racetrack hastily converted for a tournament with cumbersome title of Golden Gate Pacific Coast International. Cumbersome title of Golden Gate Pacific Coast International. There were 62 people there. That is the count of the audience. 62 people in a racetrack parking lot

to watch him and he's freaking the fuck out. And the match is against a guy as they call him, a quote, tranquil-natured 18-year-old Hindu boy named Vijay Armitage. Oh boy. In front of 62 people in a parking lot.

How many horrible things did he call that kid? Oh, you know it, man. They talked about him, Hewitt, looking more like a stevedore than a tennis player. Looking like he's working the docks over here. With brawny arms and heavy legs and a strong clefted chin. The bald head does balance it with a touch of aesthetic, it says. Wow. They said he should have been easily cleaned up, this kid.

Yeah. And this guy's crushing the fucking guy that answers your phone when you have computer problems. Yeah, yeah. He's beating this kid. He's the service guy at Dell over here. He's beating him up here. He's beating the taxi cab driver from Deadpool at tennis. This is horrible.

So he's beating Slumdog Millionaire at tennis. This is a good job. So that's why he quit tennis after this and became Slumdog Millionaire. tennis. This is a good job. So that's why he quit tennis after this and became Slumdog Millionaire. That's how this worked. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing

is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything.

I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, your honor. You married his cousin

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I need arbitration. There's 62 people here. How many people do you think made the fucking trip, dude? What do you think, 62 people covers airfare for arbiters to come in here and decide shit? This isn't Wimbledon. What do you think, you're at the French Open, dickhead? So he said that he should have been disqualified, but he

wasn't disqualified. Instead, they just gave him the point. Really? They were like, just fine. We don't have an arbiter. What are we going to do? These 62 people want their tennis. They were like, fuck it. Just do that here. Vijay's just like, I don't care. He's going to win anyway. Just give him the point.

The problem is the Indian guy, nobody knows the Hindu kid, and they know him. He's the biggest name in the tournament, and he's the number two seed here, and they don't have big names. They're in a racetrack parking lot for 62 people with a big name in it. What's going to happen if they have nobody there? So they're like, fuck it. Keep him in there. So he ended up rallying. There was a weird ball thing.

I don't know if it hit. It bounced weird. There was an odd thing that had to do with the court being a makeshift court in a racetrack parking lot. And so he got mad and said, how can you play on this bloody court? Then he screams, he said that as a linesman called his ball out. And then he said, why is it always

out when I hit it? Which is a hilarious question. And then he said, why is it always out when I hit it? Which is a hilarious question. And then took a ball and slammed it into the parking lot. Fantastic. Hit it into the parking lot as far as he could. The lineman made what they called a delayed call on a smash, indicating that you would have missed the line. And he said, how could it be out when I won the point?

He's pissed off at that. Finally, he's smiling, walking around. He knows he he's putting on a show but he still can't help it uh and he they talked i asked him about his temper afterwards and he said quote oh i control myself very well now 10 years ago i was really diabolical wow okay what would you have killed somebody in a parking lot over a tennis match 10 years ago i would have committed genocide for that 10 years ago i would have killed every Hindu I meet from now to the end of time. But, you know, now I'm a little calmer.

I'm just going to kill him and his family. Diabolical. Which I love that word. What a phrase to use. I love that the Brits and the Australians use diabolical as just like an everyday thing. Like, if you say something, this guy did diabolical. I'm like, that's great.

What a fucking great word. You need to use that more. It's a word we use as like the worst fucking evil thing you can do. Yeah, it means you're like a superhero villain. You're like Lex Luthor if you're diabolical. You're making plans. And in England, it's a guy that rockets a tennis ball across the parking lot. Yeah, he's the guy.

So diabolical. So 1974, okay, South Africa wins the Davis Cup title. This is all the pairs and everything. And this is their only Davis Cup title in 74. So it's a huge deal for South Africa. And he was central to the win. Problem was, don't get too excited about it, because the only reason why they won this, maybe, we don't get too excited about it because the only reason why they won this, maybe we don't know, because they never had a finals

because India boycotted the finals because South Africa is an apartheid country and they would constantly be boycotted everywhere they went, they were kicked out of tournaments because they're from a total asshole country so it's one of those things like sorry we're not going to participate

and this is in the 70s. They were still like, that's a little extreme. Sorry. And India, which is a fucked up country too, especially back then. The caste system was still going. They're like, you're too fucked up for us. Like, sorry. You know, we let people die in the streets and everything else, but this is extreme. The way you're too mean to black

people. The way you guys are. Yeah. It's fucking nuts. So yeah, this keeps coming up to the whole apartheid thing and he doesn't seem to really care either way he just seems like i don't know at least it's not australia he doesn't really have a big lot of commentary on it he just doesn't he doesn't say like well you know not my opinion it's just the government he just goes with the flow got it uh no also 1974 his autobiography comes out the bad boy of tennis it's called already he's got already well he Already. Well, he's been 16 years.

He's been a pro. Yeah, I guess. He's got lots of press for being crazy. 74? 74. He's barely 34 years old. He needs a fucking autobiography already? You've got to do it now, especially in South Africa.

They won the Davis Cup. He's very popular now. He becomes a very popular guy here. Now, 1975, they're in a tournament, and the apartheid thing kind of rears its ugly head again. They are at, well, not ugly for kicking them out, but the apartheid being ugly comes up.

We'll put it that way. They always get banned from events. In 1975, they went to Mexico with few McMillan there, Frew McMillan, to try to defend their World Doubles title, and Mexico deported them. Really?

To get the fuck out of here, yeah. Mexico. They kicked their asses out for the apartheid thing. People are not okay with this. But there is somebody who doesn't mind apartheid, apparently, and that is New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft. Yeah. Doesn't seem to mind at all. He doesn't seem to care.

Silver-haired, middle-aged white man, as they come, obviously. Right. If you've had your Super Bowl ring stolen by Putin, you're a silver-haired, middle-aged white man if you're in the same room as Putin discussing jewelry. Ever. Ever.

That makes you that. Kraft here puts together a team in 75, two weeks after they get booted out of Mexico, called the Lobsters, which is a world team tennis franchise. That's exactly who I see loving tennis. Guys like him.

Lamar Hunt, Robert Kraft. Yeah. From they grew up watching it in their country clubs. Right. So, yeah. So they do that. It's a gentleman's sport. Yeah, exactly.

This franchise was five local business, five businessmen, most prominently Robert Kraft. Right. So that tells you a lot there. It's weird, too, because he's now at this point he's got a beard. Yeah. He's bald as shit. He's gray as fuck. That's what you do.

He looks like a bearded old gray bald man. It's very strange. That's what you do. It's super weird. He looks like somebody's fucked up professor at this point. It seems to be. I don't know if it's just an insecurity. I don't know what it is.

It's something that if you can't grow hair on your head, you better have an amazing beard. I suppose. Every time I see a bald guy that's at least hanging on to a little bit of hair up top, his beard is fucking gorgeous. It's not a good look for you. No, it's not. I've got to be honest with you. I look stupid.

I do. No, you're fine. You don't have a big, giant beard. That's true. So you're good. It's pretty bushy today, but it's because I need to No, you're fine. You don't have a big, giant beard. That's true. So you're good. It's pretty bushy today, but it's because I need to shave. You're fine. But this guy becomes the face of the team, of the Lobsters.

Really? They use him in all their ad campaigns, which is hilarious. Come see this guy play tennis. Yeah, that looks like an exciting athlete right there. This bald-headed old man. Wonderful. Exciting athlete right there. This bald-headed old man.

Wonderful. Him and also they would feature their coach, who was Ion Count Dracula Tyriac, was his name. I want a coach named Count Dracula. Fuck yes. Jesus Christ. I want anybody in my life named Count Dracula. That's what I'm saying. You had only lasted one season with the Lobsters because he had an elbow injury at the end of 1975. because he had an elbow injury at the end of 1975.

So he found temporary work as a tennis director of the Village Green Racquet and Swim Club in Danvers, which sounds very, very upper crusty. And this Danvers stuff we'll talk about later, definitely. The owner of this place, Alan Greenberg, helped the Hewitts, his family, his wife, and their preschool daughter settle in a motor inn nearby. So they're trying to settle him in around Massachusetts. Okay. I was going to say, it sounds like something that's... It's around the Robert Kraft thing.

Yeah, yeah. Same thing here. So at this point, he's got his family in a motor lodge. He starts... Gross. Yeah, that's terrible here. Motor lodge sounds disgusting to me. Motor lodge.

And now he's got to coach people. Yeah. Now he's got to be like the tennis pro at the country club because his elbow's fucked up. He starts coaching, you know, just secretaries and just dudes who, you know, are accountants. Yeah. Twelve-year-olds whose parents

want to keep them out of trouble. Fucking kids. Imagine shitty rich kids having to coach them. The worst. Now hit it one more. I don't want to. My mother, she's calling her maiden to do something. It's hot out here. mind never mind you're in shorts and a t-shirt hit the fucking ball throws a racket at him oh amazing swing at him and calls him a dirty hindu and they're like dirty hindu what are you talking about my name is trevor flashback sorry sorry uh he began coaching a woman named heather crow at this point too ayear-old named Heather Crow, who went on to big things, actually.

She started at 14 in Danvers. She won the Massachusetts High School Singles Championship in 77. Wow. Captured a national singles title at Indiana University in 82. Wow. And played professionally. She played from 82 to 88. She played against Chris Everett, Martina Navratilova.

She became a tennis star. Yeah. That was like one of his first students there. That's incredible. That's pretty incredible here. So we're going to call this grace. Okay. Okay.

This is real grace. This isn't public grace. This is actual grace. Okay. Only we know about this grace later on. This is a very complicated one. There's two graces. Okay.

This is real grace. No one knows this is grace yet. Okay. We'll know later. Okay. a very complicated one. There's two Graces. This is real Grace. No one knows this is Grace yet. We'll know later. But this is Grace. 1981. He's still playing in the doubles and all that, but he keeps having recurring injuries. Tennis elbow. Plus, he looks like he's 70, so it makes sense.

So, he continues to coach. He's really good at coaching the youth tennis. He gets these people that everybody he coaches ends up with a scholarship. They end up with tournament wins and pros. So he's good at that. 1981, he takes 20 tennis students to the U.S. to play from international. They take 16 boys and four girls there.

So he's really becoming big in the coaching aspect and kind of becoming like a mentor to a lot of people. He builds champions. He builds champions, yeah. And he's a former player. I would assume respect a guy who's got a bunch of trophies and shit like that. I would. Yeah, that's what I mean. If I was in a sport and this guy was a champion internationally and you won Wimbledon, you're telling me to, you know, I'll get my elbow a little stiffer.

I'm going to hold my elbow a little stiffer, you know? He's played tennis legitimately all over the world. Yeah, everywhere. And he's won all over the world. That's a guy that you want to teach you things. That's what I'm saying here. May 4th, 1982, he has his last pro event. It's in Johannesburg, South Africa.

He plays a few other, I guess I'd call them semi-pro tournaments here and there, mixed doubles only, really. For the next four years, but this is his last pro. He got paid to show up. Not trying to win a couple hundred bucks in prize money tournament. In a parking lot against a young Indian boy.

Imagine how fucking clueless he was. Some 18-year-old Indian kid, and he's standing there, and he was from India. He was probably like, what is happening? He probably respected Bob Hewitt. He's an older guy. Why is this man screaming and throwing things? I don't think you're allowed to do that.

Unless then he took that back to India and became the John McEnroe of India. Became a real media's darling. It's like Chris Bch playing basketball against kids right now. Like an 18 year old kid and he's like playing one on one and then he's like throwing the ball and kicking shit. Well this would be Chris Bosch five years ago before he was retired. Before his

heart fucked him. Before his heart gave out on him. This guy looks like his heart's going to give out on him and he's fine. Chris Bosch he looks fine. His heart's fucked up. He doesn't look fine. He looks a mess. He looks better than this guy. Oh, yeah, that much. He just doesn't look like he has grandchildren.

Chris Bosh doesn't look like he could find a woman to fuck him in order to have grandchildren. That's true. He does look like an alien. That's an ugly man. He is. He is. So they lose this doubles match. This is his last match.

It goes out in a loss. Career record here. In singles matches, he is 257 and 177 career. Oh, Christ. And then in doubles, he is 501 and 125 career. That is crushing it right there. Holy shit. That's amazing.

501 and 125. There's nobody in any sport that has that record, do they? That's a sick winning percentage. I don't know. That's crazy, though. He won seven titles in singles tournaments and 65 in doubles. Wow. 65, including winning all the Grand Slam doubles titles, both in men's and mixed doubles.

You would expect, I mean, granted he played early, but you would expect that man has a fucking hell of a nest egg sitting at home. You would think so. Well, actually, he made in his career $613,837 in winnings. Wow. So that's not bad. It's horrible. For back then, it's great. Yeah, but you expect a guy like that to still be alive today, and there's no way you can survive off that today. Well, no, but I mean, if you invested it, baseball players made goddamn $48,000 a year back then. So that's not terrible.

It's pretty bad. In the 50s and 60s, what was he making? 64-time champion and he's got $600,000. He should have more, but this is 1982 we're talking. He retires with that. Listen, I'm on board with you. It's just I feel bad. At least a couple million now. He should have more still. I agree with that here.

I bet Andre Agassi's got way more money than that. I don't think he's got... I don't think he was doing camera commercials and shit like that. He's got a lot more endorsements. He was all sorts of them. Plus, tennis became a huge sport. Once cable came in and once TV blew up, then everything got more. The salaries were more for everything, including tennis.

There was just like a handful of tennis players that really made good money. Oh, yeah. Pete Sampras, Agassi, Martina Navratilova. Now they do all right. There's not a lot. No, especially in the 80s and the 90s and the 70s. That's a bummer. Well, there's so many.

There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. So you have to be in the top whatever. It's like golfers are the same way. There's a lot of golfers out there that don't make shit golfing. They don't make anything. Yeah, they don't make anything. Or they make $63,000 a year, which is fine.

That's a fine thing to make. It's a good salary. But I mean, it's not great if you're a professional athlete. You'd probably want more when you decide to be a professional athlete. I don't think you're like, I'd like to make $60,000 a year. Yeah, just be comfortable. Sounds like comedy. Yeah.

It sounds just like comedy. Jesus Christ. You want to be comfortable. Sounds like comedy. Yeah, it sounds just like comedy. Jesus Christ. Not even a famous comedian, just a comedian that works. You're making 30, 40 grand a year. Good luck. Best of luck. Unless you're famous, that's what you're making. Enjoy your Corolla. I love that, yeah. And your rented apartment in a

shit neighborhood. The clubs wonder why we won't open for people anymore. Because we don't want to. What are we trying to do? What's the goal here? To go on the road with some guy and so we can make $300 a weekend? No. I don't fucking think so. No thank you. Right. So

yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, comedy's awful. Don't do it. If you're thinking about doing comedy drown yourself in a shallow pond instead. It's much less painful. With your children watching. Yes. You know what?

And you're hurting less people still. And if you're deciding to do it, drown them too, because they're going to fucking suffer enough. They're going to suffer enough. Holy shit. Everyone, drown your children. That's what we're saying. Find a tub.

In a shallow pond. Yourself too. Don't get me wrong. For sure. Don't half-ass it. No, no, no. Don't what we're saying. In a shallow pond. Yourself, too. Don't get me wrong. Don't half-ass it. No, don't half-ass it. And only do it if you're planning on doing stand-up. Otherwise, don't. If you're going to half-ass that, you were going to half-ass stand-up anyway. Exactly. You were going to be terrible at it.

You weren't going to write. You weren't going to write? No. You think you were going to go home and work on your set? No. You were going to give it a valid shot? No. You were just going to dick off, go to open mics, invite some of the people from work to watch you. And force them to watch your dumb fart joke. It was great.

And then on the off chance that you do end up opening for somebody, then when you tell them to come watch you, they're going to be like, oh, we've seen what you do. No, no, it's all right. We're good. We're fine. Thank you. We're really good now. What an odd life, though, this guy has had here from Australia to South Africa. He's got, like I said, decent money, but also that money, that's not all he's going to have

because now he's going to be a commentator and he's going to do all that stuff, too, because he's very famous. I bet that pays better. That probably pays. He probably made more in the 80s commentating than he made in the 70s playing. Disappointing. I guarantee you Terry Bradshaw makes way more per year than he made in his entire career playing for the steelers you know what i mean or at least in half of it or whatever i mean that's but the house he has now

is paid for with zero money from the steelers oh absolutely yeah he retired in 84 they hadn't fucking guys weren't making shit in 84 still i mean if a guy wow they were making nothing i mean there's no way terry bradshaw had eight million dollars and he retired he didn't he had if he had 200 grand he was lucky but i'll bet he made eight million last year that's the thing yeah exactly so that a lot of times it's just more lucrative and you see guys you don't know why why is he retiring oh he's got a couple more years left then you see him in the booth and it's like why wouldn't you want to go make the same money to not get your shit beat out of you all the time?

That seems logical. Or to go fuck up your elbow in his case. To tell you what you've just seen. Like, that's so crazy. Not even to know. Some other guy does that. They just ask you

what you think about what you've just seen. And you go, well, that's pretty good. When I played, I did it like that. And they go, all right then, good insight.

And they go back to what it is. You don't even have to do shit. Yeah, you literally have to sit there with thoughts that are in it is. You don't even have to do shit. Yeah. You literally have to sit there with thoughts that are in your head. You don't even have to pay attention. They'll ask you shit and then you answer it. And that's your fucking $3 million. That's a great job.

Tony Romo is the best commentator that ever lived. And I'll say that with confidence now. People will disagree with me. He did something last year that i've never seen ever in my he there was a play that was going to be called and he he fucking he knew it was going to come and it was a weird call yeah it was a weird thing that was going to happen just to run out the clock and they did exactly what he said and i'd never seen that play ever i never even seen him do that play and they still did it it was fucking bananas he probably also knew what their

right he probably saw this he probably interpreted the song yeah who knows if he's friends with the other guy too and he's telling me this is what we do in this situation who knows a quarterback either way i never and i was blown away and and from this moment forward tony romo will always be the greatest commentator i've ever seen don't mind tony romo as a commentator oddly his voice sucks. His voice sucks. He's got a terrible voice. He can't decide what he's going to say and then say it. He's all over the place.

He'll start saying something. He has no idea what he's going to say halfway into it. Oh, let me tell you something. I was watching this playlist, and, you know, the guys lined up on, did you see Johnson on the defense? Because he was like, what the fuck are you talking about? But then in the end, he somehow brings it all together and it makes sense. And I'm like, all right, well, I think I got what he said.

And I think I got insight out of it. Although he had no idea what was coming when he started. So very odd. That's hilarious. As far as Cowboy quarterback announcers go, he beats the shit out of Troy Aikman. Not quite as good as Don Meredith. So 70s Monday Night Football announcer. He was funny.

He was like a funny cowboy hanging out with Howard Cosell. I'll take him over to Romo. But other than that, best cowboy quarterback announcer there is ever. And I can get beyond the voice. Quincy Carter doesn't have a job next year because then he could be up for a challenge. You never know. Chad Hutchinson could make a run. So terrible.

Steve Pillar could come out out of nowhere. You never know. 80s. I didn't even know that one. 80s cowboy quarterback. Fucking terrible. God, he was awful, Steve Pillar. I was so lost.

I obviously knew what he did. Babe Laufenberg could be coming in from the bench. You never know. So disappointing. Oh, bench. You never know. So disappointing. Oh, Jesus. Cowboy quarterback. I love him. So, yeah, not bad.

So, 1992, Bob Hewitt's worked through the 80s as a commentator, kept up his tennis coaching. That never stopped. He's taken youth teams everywhere all over the world. People are going to college left and right. Things are going great for him. 1992, he's inducted into the Tennis Hall of Fame. Holy shit. It's the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

It's only him and his doubles partner there, Frew, are the only South Africans inducted into this Hall of Fame. Frew got in? Frew got in because of him. Because they were massive doubles champions. Yeah, it's kind of like why a bunch of Steelers offensive linemen are going to the Hall of Fame from the 70s, too, if we're going to talk about 70 Steelers. Like, oh, that fullback was good, too. Isn't that awesome? Yeah, it wasn't Jack Lambert or Terry Bradshaw or even Webster.

It was him. It was fucking Rocky Blyer. He's the one that made it happen. Okay. I love that, when they just start throwing, fuck it, the whole goddamn team. And it was a few dudes that were pretty fucking talented.

That's it. I love Franco Harris. Yeah. I can't figure out if he's Italian or black, but I love him. That's a good question. What is he?

I don't know what he is, and I've been dying to know forever. Franco, tweet at me and tell me what you are. He looks black. Yeah. His name's Franco, which throws me way off.

And in Pittsburgh in the 70s, he had the Franco-Italian Army, they called it. And they had signs, Franco-Italian Army. So I was like, is he fucking, what is he? He's like The Rock. What is this fucking guy? Like The Rock. He is. He's like the 70s rock.

Vin Diesel. What the fuck are you? The Rock of the 70s. No idea what you are. I hope you're Italian, Franco Harris, because I'm sure you're like half black. Are you half black, half Italian? James will claim you. I'll claim you, motherfucker.

Not a lot of Italian athletes. Unbelievable player. You're on our team. Especially football players. Right. There are not a lot of them. No. We're claiming you, goddammit.

Franco Harrisino. He coaches youth tennis still. He's taking people around the world. Bob Hewitt, not Franco Harris. I So he coaches youth tennis still. He's taking people around the world. Bob Hewitt, not Franco Harris. I don't know. Franco Harris could be taking youth tennis teams around the world. Somehow I doubt it, though. I don't know what he knows about tennis.

He's lots of years as a commentator on South African television. He operates a citrus farm in Addo, or Addo, A-D-D-O, Addo. Addo. Addo. Addo, South Africa here. From 98 to 2007, he runs a citrus farm there. He has his own citrus farm. So he's doing well. He's investing well.

And like I said, he's used his celebrity to make money. Okay. He's doing very well. At minimum, he's doing fine. He's doing fine. They talk about his, this one article says, quote, he has lived like a country squire, motoring about Addo and his BMW, attending social events with his wife, browsing the town's library, dining at the community's finer restaurants. Wow. Sounds like he's living a fine, that sounds like a good life to me.

Sounds like a dream. Hanging out, tooling around, fucking attending events, just reading. Yeah. Reading, dining at the nice restaurants in town. Lots of things in big hats. That's what he's doing. I'll do that. That sounds great.

It's way better than my fucking life. So I'm going to trade with this guy right now. He also wrote for an online South African newspaper called News Time. He was very much into writing these articles. They were opinion pieces on tennis mainly where a lot of them were like these damn kids type of thing, which is hilarious because of what he was. He was – everyone in the 60s was like, we can't have – he's ruining tennis. He's disgracing tennis and all this.

Now, speaking of Andre Agassi, in 2009, in one of his last columns that he writes, he just rips apart Andre Agassi. What? Tears him apart. How do you? Hates him. You hate that guy. Hates him.

Agassi was being inducted into the Tennis Hall of Fame that year. That's why. And he called him a disgrace, just an absolute disgrace. He said he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because Agassi disclosed that he used crystal meth as a player and failed a drug test and lied to avoid punishment, saying he accidentally sipped a friend's spiked soda, which I guess that was his story back in the day for failing a drug test. That's where people put their meth. That's a pretty – yeah.

They put it in their soda. Spice it up a little bit. Some people put like nowadays a shot of vanilla or something into those things. No, he said, look at a little meth in that soda. At Andre Agassi's worst, he's a terrible liar. That's what he is. Awful liar. Just say, I smoked meth at a friend's house.

Yeah, so that's just, yeah, I fucked up. Everyone thinks you did anyway. No one went, well, he drank soda. That's possible. It was in there. It was in, how many times have you had a friend's soda? It's always got meth in it. What a horrible lie.

It always has meth in it. It's either that or a goddamn bee. Is that a bee, a condom, a used condom? There's always something in a friend soda. You never know. Bees. It's so sick. What a terrible lie.

Methamphetamine. Methamphetamine. It happens. Sometimes there's meth in bees. It always happens. Just don't drink your own. When you leave your can, you get a little napkin and ball it up and just stick it in there so nothing gets in there.

Keeps out the bees and the meth. And the condoms, really, because they'll fall right in there, too. People flinging them all over the place. It's so stupid. So Hewitt spends his whole article ripping Andre Agassi to shreds, his character, mainly this meth thing. He says, quote, why, oh, why has he now decided to open up? This isn't going to do him or the game any good at all. Why oh why? So, he's

not saying he shouldn't be in because he used meth. He's saying he shouldn't be in because he admitted to using meth now, and it's fucking, and it's put a black eye on tennis. So, fuck him for being honest, even though no one forced him to, and he was just trying to be honest. And the title of the article was, is there a right time

to come clean? It's the weirdest article. What? Where's the moral center to that article? What the fuck? Where's the moral center? It's not at meth. You don't care about that. You literally care that he admitted it now, which seems like morally a good thing, but it's bad. Right, because he didn't

do it when he did it. Because he didn't do it when he did it, but then if he did it then, he wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame either, because he should be kicked out of tennis. So there's really no winning if you drink your friend's spike soda. You're just fucked forever in this guy's eyes. He hates you. So he starts the article with a posed question as the title. And then the article is essentially answering that question.

Yes. No is the answer to that question. There isn't. There's never a good time. Don't ever say it. If you do meth, keep it to your goddamn self. You do it and you get away with it and shut up. Shut the fuck up.

We don't need to hear shit from you, goddammit. Oh, Christ. Why, oh, why has he now decided to open up? Is that the first words, why, oh, why? Why, oh, why? I hate why, oh, why so much. This isn't doing him or the game any good at all, exclamation point. What a passive-aggressive thing to do.

Why, oh, why has he now decided to open up? I love that. Like, you're not good for him if there's anybody out there. Maybe there's players who are on meth now that can maybe get some advice. Nope, none of that shit. Fuck him. How dare he have a problem? I want him to write an opinion piece about OJ's book.

Yeah, no shit. Let's hear that. Why, oh, why? Why, oh, why did you cut her head off, Juice? I'm going to say it now. This is public grace. Okay. Public grace.

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If you love the show, share it with a friend, and leave us a rating and review. So that's public grace, like we said. That is definitely public grace, like we said. That is definitely public grace because shit takes a – now, remember, Jimmy. Yeah. He's your kind of guy. My kind of guy. Your kind of guy.

I like this guy. Jimmy likes this guy. He's his kind of guy. All right. Let's talk about Jimmy's kind of guy. He stirs the pot and he makes waves. He stirs the pot. All right.

I liked him, too, for a minute. I'm like, yeah, cool. He's in the 60s in Australia and he's telling people to fuck off and firing balls at umpiress the pot, all right. I liked him, too, for a minute. I'm like, yeah, cool. He's in the 60s and Australian. He's telling people to fuck off and firing balls at umpires. Like, this is cool. I like him. Saying racist shit to little Hindu boys.

Then I found out the whole story. I'm like, I don't like him anymore. Let's talk about what happened in August of 2011. Yeah. Okay? Living a life. He's a country squire, as he's described it. He is now fucking 51 years old. He is 51. Shit, he is 61. Born in 40, right a life. He's a country squire, as he's described. He is now fucking 51 years old.

He is 51. Shit. He is 61. 61. 71. Sorry. 71. He's 71 years old.

I am terrible at math. You were 20 years old. Holy shit. Yeah, he is 71 years old. My Christ. Had a career. He's a famous old guy commentating, just having a life right now, living a life with his wife. Still same woman, too, for all this time.

So they must have been in love. They must have fallen in love immediately and gotten married because they're still happy all these years later. Now, August 2011, it gets a little bit less happy. Okay. Remember Heather Crow? Right. Heather Crow. Well, she's now Heather Crow Connor in 2011.

She'd gotten married, but we'll call her Heather Crow. Heather Crow. Well, she's now Heather Crow Connor in 2011. She'd gotten married, but we'll call her Heather Crow. Heather Crow in 76 is when she started taking lessons, as we talked about, at Danvers. Remember, he was at Danvers. She was an honor student and a Girl Scout and all that, too, in addition to becoming a professional tennis player and all that sort of thing. But she was a very innocent young girl at the time, obviously. Now, this was when Bob just came off his run with the Boston Lobsters. Right. From the Robert Kraft people.

Robert Kraft, Boston Lobsters here. Wow. But also, he was doing some shit that nobody knew about, we'll talk about here. He coached tennis. He found Heather Crowe in 1976 at his first day in Danvers. First day teaching in Danvers, he found her. He offered to coach her for free. Really?

She's 14 at this time, like we've described. A little bit of a suspect. Offered to coach her for free. Now, because what he'd been doing, he's been building a little something on the side here where he seems to have a lot of girls around that he coaches. A lot of teenage girls around that he coaches. And that's always kind of a little thing here. Now, Connor says that Hewitt began preying on her soon after he recruited her as a student.

Bastard. She just turned 15 at the time. And, oh, my God, Jesus Christ almighty. He first had sex with her in the fall of 1976. Oh, my God. Near the tennis courts at Mascon Regional High School in Topsfield. You're the kind of guy. Oh, my God.

Still your kind of guy? He's banging 15-year-olds at the high school. At the high school. Jesus. This gets worse and worse and worse. First had sex with her. Oh, my God. First had sex with her.

Okay. Yeah. He is a fucking monster. Oh, my God. He's a monster. Connor, nowadays, says, quote, I may look fine and dandy, but I'm still kind of a mess. Of course. She said this in 2016 when she filed a complaint with Topsfield Police in 2011.

Yeah, saying that Connor said that Hewitt was driving her home from babysitting his daughter. Oh, dear Christ. His fucking daughter that October when he detoured to the school and had sex with her. Oh, good Christ. Oh, my God. I'm fucking sickened by this guy. Wow. In the police report, she said he raped me, which it's statutory.

That's pretty obvious. Statutory rape, it's obviously. It's illegal to fuck a 16-year-old or a 15-year-old in Massachusetts. Just turned. This is not Alabama, everybody. No offense, Alabama, but I think your legal age is 14. So offense, Alabama. You might be a little bit behind. I think it's Idaho, too.

It's like 14. Oh, good Christ. Jesus Christ. So Dan Cummins up in Idaho. Keep it in your pants, please. Be careful, son. We know you're not interested in it, but you never know. Don't go looking.

Don't go looking. Connor said that Hewitt, quote, told her not to say anything, and she told no one is what she said. It's fucking unbelievable. Now, the guy who ran the court, there's a Greenberg guy who ran the country club. He says, quote, Heather was a wonderful girl. I feel terrible something like this happened. Connor said that Hewitt had sex with her again when she was 15 at a Springfield Hotel.

Oh, Jesus. In February of 77. My God. She said when she just turned 16 in the summer of 77, he would engage with sex with her twice more, first in a car at the Longwood Cricket Club at Chestnut Hill and then at a house in Louisville. What a...

Vile. What do you say? This, the Louisville, by the way, because this was going on, this just gives you an idea why I said it was grace pump, grace privately. This, the Louisville thing happened two weeks before

he became the oldest man at 37 years old to win a U.S. Open doubles title. So he's having sex with teenage girls, with children, and then he's going out and being praised by everybody, you know, the whole deal. And Conor said, quote, I was the innocent one in all of this. I don't want to sound vindictive, but I want him held accountable for his actions.

Fair. Very, very fair. The Essex County prosecutors believe that she is, quote, certainly is credible, is what they said about the whole thing. She's not like some, you know, she's not hasn't been in prison for the last 20 years saying, Bobby, you would rape me from the back of a cell. Even then, look into it, but still.

You know. I mean, seriously. Even then, look into it. Look into it, but I mean, you might go. There's a certain lack of credibility. You might go, I don't know how good her credibility is. Let's check it out. But we don't know what her credibility is. Definitely investigate. She's an upstanding person that has no reason to lie about this shit, especially 40 years later.

She has no reason to lie about this. Poor thing. They said also an investigation stalled in this because there's so much time has passed and that he's in South Africa. And there's not a lot of evidence left after 40 years and that sort of thing. Tends to go away. Yeah. She said she maintained a sexual relationship with him while she won the Massachusetts High School Singles Championship in 77, and also through the Indiana University in 82.

And also, she pretty much kept up with him for a while. Last time she saw him was when she retired in 1988 from tennis. She said she was vulnerable to his overtures because she believed him when he assured her that they would together be. He was telling her one day when you're grown up, we'll be together. Oh, boy. We're going to be together. And she's a kid. She's brainwashed.

Yeah, she's brainwashed. And also, yeah, she looks up to this guy. She trusts him. She's been told by. Yeah, she's brainwashed. And also, yeah, she looks up to this guy. She trusts him. She's been told by everybody to trust him. And he's a big famous guy who's winning, you know, U.S. Open tournaments. Big ugly famous guy. Big ugly famous guy. But, yeah, so, I mean, you can't get any more.

You feel fucking horrible for this kid. Terrible. I mean, he didn't, like, fucking jump on her and force it. But it doesn't matter. It's worse. It's worse. It's so much worse. That's what I matter. It's worse. It's worse. It's so much worse. That's what I mean.

That's exactly where I was going. He ingrained in her fucking head that she needed him. Exactly where I was going. That's fucking horrible. Not saying it's less to do it this way. Right, right, right. It's worse to do it this way. Because you're fucking torturing their mind and you're doing it for years.

Right. This is fucking horrible, man. She said, quote, as someone who considers herself a logical and rational person, it's shocking to me that I was so completely brainwashed for so many years. Oh, God. Which I don't blame her. She has two girls of her own as an adult. And she's, you know, she didn't tell anybody until she was 32.

My Christ. 32 on the night before her wedding in 1994. Wow. She told her sister. Oh, boy. That's the first time. And. She told her sister. Oh, boy. That's the first time, and then she told her new husband two weeks later about that, her husband Ryan.

She told that. Poor guy. Yeah. He's got a show. She, yeah. He's got so much work to do. He's got work to do. She's got work to do.

Yeah, that's, everything's fine. By the way, this Ned Ryerson raped me for years. Oh, shit, we got to work on this. We have to stay the fuck out of Punxsutawney. Yes, we do, man. She said she was going to keep the secret to protect her aging parents because she didn't want them to be upset by the whole thing. But she became, she said, so overwrought by the onset of her long suppressed emotions that she had trouble coping at home and work. She said she began fearing for the safety of her oldest daughter, who was 14.

She just started feeling like people were going to try to do this to her. And she felt so damaged by the incident that she took medical leave from teaching and had to go into counseling. Also, too, she was an elected member of the Pentucket Regional School Committee, and she relinquished her seat there. She just needed to take a step back and just go into therapy from the whole thing so horrible she said quote i was effectively falling apart and needed to do something about it yeah which yeah so she just man it's so it's horrific and when your children get to the age when it's

happened to you when your children get to the age of when it happened to you i understand what she's saying it's freaking out man it's the worst goddamn thing i can't blame her you can't possibly fathom how how many thoughts go through your head when you start thinking about that your child is so innocent right now and then when they get to the age of you know yeah and then when they get to the age of where you were and you go but at this time i was so fucking ruined and i would assume at that point too with like her she's probably keeping her daughter out of activities and things like that because she's worried about it. And then she doesn't know that's negatively affecting her daughter's life too.

And it's tough, man. It's just, it keeps going. It's a cycle. So yeah, she, when she, when she resigned from the committee, she actually spoke publicly about it. Didn't name Hewitt, but said – also she did an article in a local newspaper, talked to her, and she did not name him in the article either.

But she gave clues. But she listed, quote, enough of his achievements that he was easily identifiable to many in the tennis world. So she gave dog whistle. What a girl. So all the tennis people knew who they were talking about, but it wasn't a public thing. It was that sort of thing. She's my kind of girl.

And a lot of people, a lot of these people started coming out, tennis people saying, we all felt weird with him. It was a lot of buzz. One woman, a woman named Tanya Hartford, who played South African professional tennis at the same time as Bob.

She said it was a very sad day for tennis overall, which, yeah, but fuck tennis. Jesus Christ. How do you – that's a fucking – I hate when people do that. It's a sad day for – no, it's not. It's a sad day for Miss Crow and anybody else that this fucking asshole got to. Even worse, this one, it's a sad day for this Tanya Harford because she should feel fucking, she should absolutely feel horrible about herself because in the 1980s, Harford said in her own, she said, she spoke to a 14-year-old girl who alleged that you had lured her into a sexual relationship.

In the 80s. Yeah. She recalled the girl's father was going to complain to the South African tennis union so she didn't do shit about it. Wowza. She should have complained too. Let's get multiple complaints on that. Yeah.

Hewitt, apparently then, this was late 80s, after this happened, apparently Hewitt was quietly barred from coaching girls. Really? They were just like, you don't coach any more girls. And that was that. They didn't make a big announcement. Hewitt's not allowed to coach girls anymore. They were just like, stay away from the girls.

Yeah, because it would have looked bad. It would have looked bad. Black eye for tennis. This is what I mean. This is what this is all about. This is all about silver haired, middle aged assholes fucking protecting their cash register. That's all it is. And literally, a lot of times it's the detriment of whoever or their wife, which that's still terrible.

But this is innocent children, and you're not protecting them at all. You're not doing a goddamn thing. No one protected them. And guess what? This isn't the first fucking time they knew about it either. What? This shit came out. We'll find out.

This came out as early as 1981. My Christ. 1981 when a girl filed a complaint that was fucking ignored. Where were you in 81, Twitter? Hashtag me too. Goddamn it. Exactly. No shit, man.

So he's accused of this. Now more women come forward. Now we're up to four women come forward. Once she comes out, more women come out. All of them were between, these women that come out were between the ages of 10 and 14 Oh my Christ, what? Jesus fucking Christ, man. 10? 10, between 10 and 14. Oh, my Christ. What? Jesus fucking Christ, man. 10.

Between 10 and 14. Complaints were lodged as early as the 1970s. I know definitely of 81, but this article says the 70s. I'm not sure. I just know the incident in 81. Sure. With leaders of the South African tennis community, and nobody did shit. A guy named Keith Brebnor, who managed tennis events, he managed tennis events in South Africa, said he privately expressed concern about the allegations involving Hewitt in

the mid-70s to Blen Franklin. Blen is his name. The then president of the South African Tennis Union, which is now defunct. Bresbor said to Franklin, who has since died, told him that the girls only had one recourse. That was to take you to court. They were like, well, they can take him to court if they want. That was her. That was this person's response to it.

I don't know. Well, fuck's none of my problem. And this guy said, quote, I said, for God's sakes, you can't put a little girl on the witness stand. He said Franklin agreed in the process that the process would have been horrendous. And this Brebner said, quote, that was the end of it. Unless somebody was going to put their money where their mouth was, nothing was going to happen. This is awful.

So, you know what I mean? And this is one of those things where you get a famous guy. Nobody fucking says shit. This is why I did this story because there's so much of this going on right now where it's a famous person. And everybody kind of everybody knows about it. Everybody jokes about it. Everybody says it behind everybody's back. And then there's people that actually have to fucking go through it.

People have to live with this shit. And it's just a funny joke for some reason until it becomes a thing. Yeah. Everybody would talk about Harvey Weinstein's casting. We're not fucking in acting. We're not. And I knew about that shit. You know, like everybody fucking knew about it.

They made jokes about it on TV shows. 30 Rock talked about it in a joke. It was a thing, but it wasn't anything that anyone should be concerned about until we until it somehow. I don't know what the breaking point is to where everyone said, fuck Bob Hewitt. Never mind. But it took till he was 70, for Christ's sake. They just put it under the carpet.

Wait until he's an old man. And the same goes with this Bill Cosby stuff. Apparently everybody knew. I mean, I didn't know because I wasn't fucking. It was a thing, though. It was a known thing. It's a thing that everybody knew. Yeah.

They made the Family Guy jokes about him and shit. It was a thing. And that's what they were from. And that's what Hannibal Buress didn't even know he was going to start something like this because he thought that everybody knew. That's the thing. It was one of those things that everybody knew. And this guy, this is a lot of, this is all, this is mainly, I feel like this is South

Africa's inferiority complex, that they only have two tennis players in the Hall of Fame. That's what it is. They don't want to fuck it up. And I feel like that's what it was then. It was like, ooh, he's kind of our best player. So not really going to care about that right now. You know what I mean? I'm sure little girls get molested all over the place.

It's him and Frew. What do we got? Don't know what to tell you. That's what I feel like it was, which is disgusting here. I don't even know fucking what to say about this guy. So awful. His partner, Frew, Frew said that he and Hewitt were never close off the court. They didn't hang out.

Well, he didn't want you to know, Frew. Yeah, they said they'd literally play, and then they'd go their separate ways. They wouldn't talk again until they played the next time. They weren't buddies. He's off finding kids. Yeah, that's the thing. McMillan said, quote, it comes as a shock. I would have never imagined it possible, which I would hope he would say that,

not say, oh, yeah, I saw him. He used to finger little girls all the time. I used to say, will you get that finger out of that kid and get over here? It's 30 love. Get over here. What the fuck, man? all the time. I used to say, will you get that finger out of that kid and get over here? Because Matt is about to start. It's 30 love. Get over here. What the fuck, man? It's doubles.

I'm out here alone. Cut it out. Jesus fucking Christ, man. He maintained his certified coach status by the U.S. Professional Tennis Association all the way up until now. They said unless a member is charged and convicted of a crime or he or she is basic, then he or she is basically allowed to maintain a membership status with us. So he was never convicted. So the rumors I would like to see rumors of child molestation be met with more than unless he's convicted of a crime.

We don't do shit. How about, hey, dude, till you clear up your child molestation charges, you're fucking not involved with us. How about you meet those allegations with a guy with a microscope yeah and and a fucking tweed hat until the woman who accused you comes to us and go i was mistaken never mind until that happens we're gonna have some talks we're not gonna have you around kids at all how's that fair i mean what the fuck man also his hall of fame status is intact at this point wow because they have the same thing uh the hall's criteria is pretty much

the same as the coaching so it's one of those things uh they do have the same thing. The Hall's criteria is pretty much the same as the coaching, so it's one of those things. They do have a character thing in their thing, but he's already been inducted. It's hard to get somebody out than it is to get them in. You know what I mean? Yeah, the South African Tennis Association reserved comment. I bet they did.

I fucking bet they did. Sorry. What are they going to say? Sorry. It's going to look bad if you have a comment and you're not pulling him out. You want to hear a real asshole? John Korff. We're going to

get to a few assholes, but John Korff. K-O-R-F-F because he's a dick. So that's how you spell his name so you don't yell at the wrong person. He was the general manager of the Lobsters when Hewitt played for them. This guy now serves as a director at large of the U.S. Tennis Association.

OK? Really? This was in 2011. I'm not sure if he is now or 2012. He was pissed off at Conor for coming forward. What a dickhole. He said, quote, gee, it's nice of the girl to pop up 35 years later. Give me a break.

That's what he said. That's what this fucking guy said. Give me a break. Give me a break. And you know he up 35 years later. Give me a break. That's what he said. That's what this fucking guy said. Give me a break. Give me a break. And you know he waved it off. Give me a break. I got a break for you, sir. You piece of shit.

Asshole. I'll break your fucking legs. Let's look up and see if- What kind of shit thing is that to say about a girl that was fucking brainwashed and molested for 20 years, you dick? Nice of her to pop up 35 years later. Give me a break. You asshole. So if the U.S pop up 35 years later. You asshole.

So if the U.S. Tennis Association is still employing this asshole, fuck you, U.S. Tennis Association. If they're anything like the gymnast side, then they're assholes too. Fuck them. Fuck them all. So now, reporters confront Bob in his yard.

He's unloading groceries from his car with his wife in his front yard in South Africa. Hey, you got any little kids in there? Yeah. His wife walked away. They asked him about the allegations made by Heather Connor. And he didn't say he said he knew. He said he didn't know who Connor was.

He said, I don't even know you're talking about. And then they said at the time her name was Crow. And then he's like, OK, I know her. But you kind of have to tell him the updated name. You want him to fucking know what you're talking about. And then they said at the time her name was Crow. And then he's like, OK, I know her. But you kind of have to tell him the updated name if you want him to fucking know what you're talking about. And they asked him, quote, you don't know her? He said, no, I would rather just forget about it. That was his quote. Why?

So he then acknowledged knowing her as Heather Crow and said, quote, what's she bringing it up now for? That's what his fucking quote was. Wow. That is a bad quote. That's not a good one at all. That's not a great quote. I didn't do anything's a better quote. Or I don't quote was. Wow. That is a bad quote. That's not a good one. That's not a great quote. Yeah. I didn't do anything's a better quote or I don't know what you're talking about.

It's a better quote or she was a nice young girl. Right. You know, she hopes she's doing well these days. That's a good quote. What's she bringing it up now for? Oh boy. Not a good quote. No.

That's the last thing you want to say. How about because there's no statute of limitations on that, sir? Yeah. There is on some of these too. That's the fucked up part. No. Some of these there are on some of these too that's really part yes there are some of these there are if it was justice it's it has to be a sexual assault for it to be it's crazy with the statute of limitations here uh he declined that's fucked up isn't that fucked up uh you would decline the reporter's invitation to come to the or to look at connor's because he had connor's police

complaint there was a five page and also. It was a five-page. Also with it was a five-page memoir she wrote about the experience with him. So there's a lot of details, and he wouldn't even look at it. He also rejected several opportunities to rebut her allegations and those involving other underage girls who we'll get to. She's not the only one. You think he does this once? That's not your first time. No. He said, quote, I'm not saying

anything. I don't want to talk about it. And then he went inside. That was it. Wow. I'm 71 now. I've beat this for 50 years. Yeah, I don't want to talk about it. I'm going inside now. The problem is a lot of these old tennis players knew

of it. They said it was no secret. It was a tight-knit community, South African tennis community. They all know. One guy. How do you guys not take it upon yourself to beat the living fuck out of this man? That's what I mean. Well, they all joked about it the same way, like, casting couch, ha-ha. That's what it was.

One guy, Raymond Moore, who's a big tennis player, we'll talk about it. He has a really vicious comment on it later on. But he says, quote, that Hewitt's conduct was a terrible, terrible thing. We are all praying and hoping he would get his comeuppance, but he never did. Well, you could have said something also. At this point, they were unclear how many girls were involved, the whole deal. It was just a can that just got open, and the snakes were coming out. It was one of those where they all pop out the top.

Yeah, man. Including, let's talk about one of these snakes, Suellen Sheehan is one of these snakes. I hate to call them snakes. I know. Not a bad thing. No. Just because they're popping out of a can. They're good snakes.

It's hilarious, this snake. They're great snakes who nothing bad happened to, and they they have no trauma and they've never been molested. They're not molested snakes. So Sue Ellen Sheehan, December 2011, she's a South African woman who filed also a rape case against him who said she was

a little girl. She was a girl in the early 1980s. She said, oh my God, she told her mother about it, and her mother, quote, dismissed it. This isn't the only time a kid told their parents, and they said no. That's the other thing. Back then, it was like, no one's touching you.

Now it's like the kid could be fine, and they're like, they're touching you, aren't they? Everyone's touching you. Everybody thinks no one wants to do anything more than touch your kid's butthole most people don't want to touch your kid's butthole i'll tell you that right now very few people do very you want to watch out for those people they're very dangerous they're out there but not many people are interested in your kid's butthole i'm just telling you that right now back then it was like my kid's butthole what are you kidding me? No one wants that. Ridiculous. Wow. She said that it took her, she hence said it took her decades to overcome the shame and guilt and to go public.

But she went to the Hall of Fame with these concerns first. And the Hall refused to do anything about it. They said, go fuck yourself. So she filed a police case. Because they basically said, well, he didn't get arrested for it or anything. So she said, is that what it takes? Fine. I'll go get fuck yourself. So she filed a police case because they basically said, well, he's not and didn't get arrested for it or anything. So she said, is that what it takes? Fine. I'll go get the rest of them.

Yeah. So then the Hall of Fame started an investigation after that. She said, quote, when I was nine, he started asking me if the other girls were virgins when I didn't even know what a virgin was. When I was 10, it escalated to him taking his own hands that he needed to teach me about what he called the birds. He began taking it into his own hands that he needed to teach me about what he called the birds and the bees. Gross. And that's what he did. Wow.

That is fucking. That's disgusting. Horrible, horrible, horrible. She said she was so upset by the whole thing. And when she told her mother, her mother asked if she was pregnant. That's what she said. And she said she wasn't. And her mother was like, fuck it, you're fine.

Wow. That's insane. Oh, it gets worse. Let's talk about Twiggy Tolkien. Okay. Twiggy here. She's now in New Zealand. She's now in New Zealand.

Her family also went to the South African police with allegations to the police against Hewitt when she was 13 years old. 13. Yeah. But they dropped the case because her parents didn't want her to have to go to court. So they dropped the case. OK. She said her father told South African tennis officials about the allegations. That was when we talked about earlier. And then was shocked to see him being asked to escort young players on international trips because that's what he was doing.

She says, Tolkien says, quote, they all knew and not one of them did anything. There was absolutely nothing done to stop this man, which now there wasn't at all. Nothing done. So there's a huge probe now in July of 2012. So now he's got probes in the U.S. He's got probes in South Africa for fucking little girls. This is horrible. The whole thing here, he's – this week in July of 2012, South African police said they completed an initial investigation into the rape case.

Police say they're awaiting guidance from prosecutors on how to proceed with the case because these are 1980s rape cases, which are a little bit – they're hard to prosecute. DNA is kind of gone. That's the thing. They're hard to prosecute physically. It needs to be like we need to be able – We need him to say he did this. Or make these girls have to be super believable. These women at this point have to be super believable otherwise.

We need 30 cases of the women saying exactly the same thing or him saying, I for sure did that. That's what they need. No, that's exactly what it is. And they talk about there's a spokesman for the South African group called Women and Men Against Child Abuse. And he says that athletes, their parents and coaches must recognize that pedophiles seek opportunities in sports just as they do in church, school and other organizations where

children can be found. Of course. Wherever there's kids, that's where pedophiles go. That's the thing. It's like sharks with seals. Yeah. It's where they fucking hang out. There's furries in there.

You know? Why do drug dealers hang out on the corner? Because that's where fucking people walk by and you can sell drugs there. Right. That's it. They go in an alley, no one walks by. Right. Location, location, location.

Is what we're saying. Where are the kids at? Right. That's where I'll be. You bet. Not me personally, but them. No, no, no. And playgrounds, churches, location is what we're saying. Where are the kids at? That's where I'll be. You bet. Not me personally, but them. No, no, no. Playgrounds, churches, you know.

And a lot of Jimmy's friends because this is Jimmy's kind of guy. My kind of guy. Very sorry. I don't mean that at all. Jimmy does not endorse this behavior. He stirs the pot. This, by the way, he does. He's stirring the pot, all right.

Jesus. This, by the way, is extremely not crime and sports approved behavior. This is definitely not crime and sports approved behavior. You go the opposite. You start down this path. You turn around real fast. Go the other way. That's what it is.

This Luke Lamprick, the group of women and men against child abuse person, said that sports officials may shy away from acknowledging this because they think it reflects badly on them. But, quote, they have a special responsibility in the same respect the Catholic Church does. Right. They absolutely do need to acknowledge that they are a haven. Yes, they do. Right. They need to say, look, we got a fucking problem here and we need to root it out. But they don't just ignore it.

No one. It's bad PR. out but they go just ignore it no one it's bad PR they gotta understand too that with sports comes very tight fitting clothing because it interferes with their ability to be mobile

also physical activity you can touch kids when you're going oh no put your elbow up here grab this your hips go here it's disturbing you need someone extremely trustworthy that has zero interest in children. Like I've said before, if someone wants to coach children, don't let them coach children. If they show up angrily like that is interfering their day.

You should have to force a guy. I trust the guy who shows up hungover to the T-ball game coach and going, oh, fuck, man, I had to work a double yesterday. I squinting, going, you're doing fine, you're doing fine. Just shaking his head, not caring what the kids do. Just like, oh, stop yelling. Everyone stop yelling. That's the guy who's not going to touch your kids. He does no interest in your kids

whatsoever. All he wants to do is get as far away from them as possible so he can have a drink, get this headache to go away, and maybe watch football later. That's all he's interested in. The guy who's like, hey, kids, come over here. That's not a good guy. No good.

You think that's a good guy. Oh, he's great with the kids. Yes, he is. Of course he is. He wants to fuck a few of them. Not all of them, but some of them. He's picked out his favorites. The hot ones.

Yeah. He's picked out his favorites. Don't worry. Jesus Christ, man. Oh, what a fucking mess, man. What a mess, what a mess, what a mess. This person from that organization tried to put forth like a guideline thing so kids know what's appropriate and what's not appropriate in sports and blah, blah, blah. So they know if any of this stuff happens, I should say something.

If it makes you uncomfortable, it's inappropriate. That's what it is. Well, the kids don't know. They don't know to be uncomfortable either. Believe me, we know. Yeah. They don't even know. We could talk about later.

He comes up behind girls and he'll come up behind them and rub on them and act like he's showing them what to do with their hips. And he'll have what he says are, oh, I have balls in my pocket. Tennis balls in his pocket. But really, he's rubbing his dick on them and stuff like that. Oh, my God. And they don't know enough to know that it's – they don't know enough. They just didn't know.

These girls are 12. They have no experience in this sort of. And they don't know enough to know that it's – they don't know enough. They just didn't know. These girls are 12. They have no experience in this sort of thing. They don't know they're being molested. They don't even know what a virgin is. They don't even know what I mean. They've never seen the dick. It's fucking horrible here. It's horrible.

So this whole deal here, they talk about – this Lampric talks about Koch predators all the time. And he says, quote, you have a person who can realize the dreams and aspirations of a child. And those dreams and aspirations of the child are also often the dreams and aspirations of the parent. Exactly. Which is the parent ignores it. Right. Because if you got a guy, if you sell your milk company and move to Sydney so your kid can be a tennis player, you might ignore any negative things about that. If you do everything so your daughter can be a tennis player and she has this Wimbledon champion coach. Maybe you ignore it.

And your retirement is based on how well she does. Maybe you ignore that shit. They talk about how Sugar Ray Leonard published a memoir saying when he came out publicly for the first time saying he was sexually abused by an Olympic boxing coach. What? How come I didn't know that? I didn't know that either, which is crazy. When he was a teenager. Sugar Ray.

First of all, the balls on this guy could be touching Sugar Ray. I'll fuck you up, number one. You're damn right. But he was a kid, and he didn't even know that this was, yeah, he didn't know what was happening. I had no idea. It's crazy, man. Yeah, there's also the junior hockey coach, Graham James, I heard about this one, who pleaded guilty to sexually abusing Theo Fleury and a couple other players. Really?

Hockey coaches, yeah. Theo Fleury and a couple other players, hockey coaches. Fleury said that this guy, quote, skillfully manipulated us all, and eventually my parents entrusted my care and well-being to him in order to allow me to move to other towns and cities to advance my hockey dream. Exactly what we said. Remember Mike Danton's coach? Same shit. You trust these guys because you want that for your kid and you want it for you,

and you do this shit. Sue Ellen Sheehan here, she says, quote, I've been trying for the last 30 odd years to get my life back. I haven't recovered yet. She works in a, she's the manager of the South African Golf Association. She's an office manager

for them. So that's what she's doing. There's also Gina Reed, who was in her 40s now. She said she was 14 when Bob began sexually harassing her. She said he threatened more than once to rape her. Threatened. Threatened to rape. Threatened to rape.

We'll hear the words he uses because we have letters that he wrote these girls. What? Oh, I have letters that he wrote these fucking girls that I found. What a monster. What a fucking monster. And this, I had to buy some crazy book that came out. It's insane. Okay.

So, to find these letters because I had to buy some crazy book that came out it's insane so to find these letters because I needed to have these letters this Gina Reed said quote I was devastated then and I'm devastated now he screwed up my life and broke down my belief in people yeah you're ruining people you fucking asshole another guy another woman here Nicole Gold of Sea Island

Georgia she was the fourth woman she said she was 13 when he began sexually harassing her and tried coaxing her to have sex with him. They said both Reed and Gold had pretty much the same account. They said that he sexually harassed them during the same period although they never discussed it with each

other until they were adults. So they didn't know what was happening to either one of them until later on. They were like oh fuck. Thought they were the only one. Yeah, in separate interviews they recalleditt repeatedly pressing against them while he was sexually aroused, among other inappropriate actions and comments. Gross. Gold said she was 13 during a tournament in Miami in 1982 when Hewitt urged her to visit

his motel room to have sex with him. She said, quote, I was scared to death. I found the biggest guy on the South African team and asked him to stay in my room. We put a chair against the door until my mom got there the next day. That's how fucking frightened these people are of him. My God. And they don't even know what a monster he is.

They just know that they're uncomfortable. She got a vibe. You know what I mean? Reed had a similar experience. She said she warded off Hewitt's numerous attempts to kiss her. She said he made his most forceful advance in the garden outside a home near Johannesburg when she was 14. She said

quote, he was so desperate to get to me that he told me he was going to have to rape me in the garden. Oh boy. Oh boy. She said she eluded him, but she felt helpless to report it because of who he was. He was the king of South African tennis. Reid said her father eventually found her a new coach after she cried and asked to be moved away from him, basically.

She said that she found no relief at home because her mother was adamant that Hewitt didn't do anything to her. She said, you don't know what you're talking about. He didn't do anything to her. She said, you don't know what you're talking about. He didn't do anything to you. He'll make you a great tennis player. Dismissed her complaints about Hewitt as, quote, rubbish. That's rubbish. Get out of here. He's trying to rape me.

How much does she hate tennis now? Yeah, that's what I mean, man. She actually said, quote, all of us were so young that we didn't know if anyone would believe us. We felt so alone because you don't know, especially a famous person. At this point, you it's finally suspended from the Hall of Fame. Really finally suspend him. Enough people came forward where it was so embarrassing for them to fucking ignore it. They had to.

The impact of this whole thing here. There's no statute of limitations for cases brought under the state law forbidding sex with those under 16 so long as the complainant is quote supported by independent evidence that corroborates the victim's allegations that's the massachusetts state law okay there if you don't know when Crystal Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault, or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin,

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Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. It really is. Jesus Christ. He spoke about this. He doesn't know anything about Connor or anything. But he said, quote, the fact that some abusers are good at making their victims feel beautiful and loved makes it difficult for the victims to come forward. We don't often talk about those dynamics because we're afraid someone will accuse the kids of being at fault, which they're not. But a lot of kids do collaborate in their victimization in the sense that they are initially flattered by it.

Sometimes that takes a long time. They don't know that they're being abused. That's the thing. They think someone's being nice to them, which is fucking disturbing. Ray Moore, who we talked about, the other tennis player here, when we said the terrible, terrible thing was his deal, and we said, why didn't you fucking say something? Well, it gets worse.

He says that Moore and Moore says that the whole tennis community long suspected Hewitt was up to something with young girls he was coaching. Listen to this shit. He said, quote, people would make rude jokes, you know, that Bob would go into a coaching lesson with young girls and not take his tennis equipment with him. He'd take along a jar of Vaseline. You know, crude. We'd all snicker, but we didn't know the extent. That's your fucking jokes?

That's hilarious. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Say something something what the fuck he wouldn't take tennis equipment he'd take vaseline that's an open joke that's hysterical and no one fucking no one says anything they let this shit happen to these poor kids like nothing man oh my god uh he wow would they say that about a priest who left his Bible behind? Yeah. What fucking planet do you live on where that's okay? He's fucking jerks.

He said that South Africa was a very closed society. It's very different than it is today, and that's why. And they did a documentary, and in this documentary, this more becomes all emotional. He starts crying. He says, I think I could have done more. I think I should have pushed more. You think? I think you're right. I think I should have pushed more. You think? I think you're right.

I think you should have beat the fuck out of him. Yeah. I think you should have said, hey, if I hear one more fucking thing about you fucking little girls, I'm going to beat you with this tennis racket and cut your dick off. Right. Just cut the shit, motherfucker. None of us are taking this shit. Thank you. We're going to take you out back and break your fucking arm and see how you play tennis then.

Maybe that would have done something. I doubt it. But at least maybe he would have fucking. He would have known that people are seeing it. He would have at least known it was happening. Yeah, that's what I mean here. Now, Connor, Connor again here, Connor Crow, Crow Connor, whatever you want to say it, decided to come forward, she said, to bring him down a notch.

He was in the Tennis Hall of Fame, the whole deal. She said, I want him to know what he did. She also won a civil lawsuit against him. Really? But she said she's not likely going to be able to collect anything on it because it's from another country and it's very difficult. She said – she described her relationship with him as Stockholm syndrome. Of course. She said that – she claimed that he groomed her in such a way that he appeared to be kind even though she said he was – she was hurting him.

After the abuse, she said that she was convinced she was special and that that and she was the only one he was doing this to uh in recent years she said she came to the realization that she wasn't the only one and that was she's nothing that was brutal to her yeah she was in love with him she thought they had a relationship and they were in love and this was like this guy is just a monster she always thought of this as like this beautiful relationship that when I was a kid and, you know, like some fucking, you know, some teenage boy fucking his piano teacher or something. And that's how it was a beautiful experience. And it's not Mrs. Robinson. This is fucking not that at all. This is grooming and ruining.

This is a horrible man that knows how to groom really well. She explained that her lifelong secret defined who she was. She said, it's kind of who I am about the whole thing. She's, you know, she's had a horrible time. Now, Hewitt denies this in interviews, denies this completely. He doesn't say it. They talk to him on the radio. Yeah.

And he talks about, he starts, this is, they get him on the radio to say, hey, kids said you fucked them. Right. Okay. He gets on, he says, well, it's been a tough 14 months. Excuse my voice. But Delilah and I have been married for 48 years now, and we've managed to share everything that we possibly can.

And she's had the flu and she's decided to give it to me. So we just keep on sharing. I don't care. That's not how you start this conversation. You start this shit out in a serious, somber tone. No, no, sir. I said, did you fuck kids? Wow.

out in a serious somber tone. No, sir. I said, did you fuck kids? Wow. He chuckled and continued by saying that he first heard of the accusations leveled at him by Heather Crow Connor 14 months before this. He said it came as a major shock to him and his family. He didn't know what was going on. He, among other things, Crow claimed that Hewitt had given her free lessons, which sounded like she was insinuating something. Well, Hewitt says that he did given her free lessons, which sounded like she was insinuating something. Well, Hewitt says that he did give her free lessons. He had signed a deal with a club in Boston, like we talked about, and that he was giving free lessons to a lot of people. He said he wasn't fit to play, and he was just giving free lessons. He said, quote, I needed another month, maybe two for recovery. So I signed with this tennis club, and she's a local girl. So they asked me if I would help her out.

I said, yeah. I said, of course, you know, I'd rather be on the court coaching than hanging around doing nothing. So that's exactly what I did. I gave her a few lessons for nothing representing the club. And then she made some accusations. But they're unfounded. She came here. She came here. She came there.

She got tickets from me, which is true, whenever I could get her tickets. Gross. So he's saying, I don't know anything about her. I don't really know her. I gave her a few lessons, but then I gave her tickets for years, and we kept in touch, and it's like, well, which is it? Did you give her a few lessons and never talk to her again? Why would she, if she was getting free lessons,

why would she keep talking to you? Yeah. He then says that his wife was with him almost all the time, as was his daughter. Oh, you don't want to say that, sir. Yeah, no shit. Don't incriminate them. She said, as was his daughter up until 1979 or 80 when she started school and when you really started fucking underage girls.

That's when it really picked up. He only had one before that. Then he had a bunch after that. He said, quote, so nothing really adds up as far as I'm concerned. And I don't know why she would like to raise this issue so late. This supposedly happened in 1976, I think it was. I mean, that's a long time ago. But apparently she has a daughter coming up to the same age that she was and she wanted to help her. Jesus Christ, man.

No, she has a daughter coming up to the same age she was and she's starting to fucking have flashbacks because you're an animal. Oh, my God. He went to the same age she was actually starting to fucking have flashbacks because you're an animal. Oh, my God. He went to the States. He said he went to the States at great cost to himself to take along his lawyer. They spent several days. He said they met with the Tennis Hall of Fame's lawyers. And they all agreed that the Tennis Hall of Fame guy made up his mind and nothing they did or said during the course of the inquiry would change that. He called some of the questions.

He was asked, quote, stupid. No, there's no stupid questions here. Yeah. Eventually, the lawyer told you that one of the co-accusers had said that she received tickets from you for the Standard Bank Arena. And he said, now, I don't know if you know the Standard Bank Arena, but I know it because that's where I did a lot of my commentary from. Oh, boy, This is crazy. And when you're sitting in the commentary box, the people sitting on the opposite side are fairly in darkness because of the structure of the lighting. And the instructions were that she, this is what he says, this is what she's accusing him of, that she was to sit in the south stand opposite the commentary box with her legs up and apart so I could perv on her with binoculars. Ew.

And he said that the girl would have been there with her mom and he didn't even own binoculars. Which is another. He is terrible at denying things. I don't even own binoculars. How about I don't want to look at a kid's fucking vagina. How about that? Start with that. Work back to binoculars.

What the fuck? He didn't say I didn't do that or I don't want to do that. He said her mom was there and I don't even own binoculars. So how could I have done it? That sounds like a guilty person. Not, what? That's disgusting. Of course not.

I'm an adult. Why would I want to look at a kid's fucking underside? Oh, Jesus Christ, man. That's amazing. What a statement. What a complete asshole. He goes on, This whole fucking. Jesus Christ.

This whole interview is infuriating. At one point. I don't own binoculars. It was Sunday and I don't have a car. What? Yeah. I like ham. All right.

That's terrific. That's good enough, sir. Good for you, guy. We're sorry. We're very sorry. Someone get him a Pepsi or something because he's had a rough time. You need a snack? Anything, sir?

Where can we take you? What in the shit kind of statement? Want to go to the elementary school to feel better? Okay. Oh, the middle school. Okay, that's where you like it. You want to play Red Rover? What's going on, sir?

He says that they say that the people, everyone saying the girl's stories are credible because they're very similar, but he claims, Bob says that they they've all communicated with each other, quote, on the Internet. Okay. The goddamn Internet. According to him, the damn Internet, 73-year-old man, they're all on the Internet plotting against me. They're talking to each other, and that's how shit like this happens. According to him, that's how it all happens. Can't let people talk.

Wow. According to him, he calls the organization, he says they've formed an organization that he calls HATS, H-A-T-S, which stands for Heather, Amy, Twiggy, and Sue Ellen, which are the names of the fucking girls. Wow, does he have balls. He said they were in touch with each other all the time, and thus he had stood no chance. He said that he tried to explain that to his lawyer. He said, quote, I think the lawyer thought that we're from Africa and we're third world country and we don't have internet or anything like that out here. I just don't know. To me, it was a put-up job. It's a put-up job.

Yeah. A fucking put-up job. By the hats. By the hats. The hats are putting him up. He's like. Wow. Holy shit.

It's like Gary Busey taking letters and making words. Oh, my God. From that fucking interview. I mean, imagine him walking out of that studio just like he walks out. And then imagine the people left in the radio booth like that just fucking happened. Did that just happen in our booth? Did he just come in here in our studio and just say what he just fucking said? It's a put-up job?

Hats? Really? What the fuck is going on, man? So, yeah, so he does this interview at the radio station here. Ridiculous, man. He leaves the radio station. Fucking, he's unbelievable. I don't even know what to say about that.

That's crazy. He leaves the radio station. He's trying to find someone to believe his story is what he's doing. At this point, he's just like, he tried to say, I don't know what you're talking about. That didn't work. Then he's like, doesn't anybody get it? I don't own binoculars. I don't own binoculars.

Beginning and end. It ends with that. So he's trying to find that. He tried to say, I know the girls. I coached them, but I didn't touch them. Now he's like, he's gone to all these different things. He's just tired now of even trying to explain it. He's tired.

Most of all, he's hungry. He's very hungry. And he smells something delicious right outside the radio station. He opens up the door to the shop, and it's the shawarma man. And he says, how is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why are you come? I don't know.

No, no, no. You come in. I know you want shawarma. I make the best shawarma. I understand. Shawarma man, I have limits. Okay? I have one rule.

I have rules. You come in with cocaine. I say, maybe you give shawarma man. No, no, you don't give shawarma man. I have problems. I have problems. But I let you in anyway. I let people in. I say, you want lamb? I make for you. Iawarma man. No, no, you don't give shawarma man. I have problems. I have problems. But I let you in anyway. I let people in.

I say, you want lamb? I make for you. I give to you. But for you, little girl, you say no, little girl. You treat little girl like she is Peter Pocket. No. Signs say closed. You go.

Out. Go. I no make for you. Out. Gone. Poof. And a puff of shawarma and anger. The shop is gone.

And Bob's very confused. Puff of tzatziki sauce. Puff of of shawarma and anger the shop is gone and bob's very confused shawarma man will not serve him he has this is the first man he's absolutely refused normally he says i'll make for you reserve rights for refusal of service very angry this time he will not refuse him march 2015 there has been charges, and this shit's going to trial. In 2017? 2015. 2015. This shit goes to trial. His lawyers argued that the trial had, quote, overemphasized the seriousness of the offenses.

How do you overemphasize child molestation? All I have to say is that guy doesn't get it, obviously. If you're going into court in 2015 with four girls saying you molested them, and you're like, they're overemphasizing the seriousness of the offense. It's clearly blown out of proportion. You don't fucking get it. No. He then added that, quote, Jesus Christ almighty, I can't believe a lawyer said this in fucking court.

Oh, boy. His lawyer that this man pays to represent him in a positive manner said this, quote, he had only raped each of the rape complainants once and had not repeated the offenses. What the fuck's the problem? I don't get it. They're overemphasizing the seriousness of this. He raped each of them like one time.

It's like four rapes tops in this whole courtroom. If you look at all the times he's had sex in his life, he's barely raped at all. Everyone in this courtroom, this whole courtroom is full, right? He's only raped four people out of everybody. Four people in this entire room? There's like 200 people here. He's raped raped at all. Barely raped. Everyone in this courtroom, this whole courtroom's full, right? He's only raped four people out of everybody. Four people in this entire room? There's like 200 people here. He's raped four of them. I mean, that's like fucking 2%.

That's pretty good odds. That's pretty good. I mean, sorry. You know, here. I want them to investigate this fucking lawyer. That's what I'm saying, man. How many times are you raping people over and over, sir? Yeah, and they try to attack these women.

Yeah. Credibility. Well, they have to. Sue Ellen Sheehan has a strained relationship with her family, stating that her family supports Bob, by the way. Bob says later on in that interview that he talks to her family. He has their phone number and their address, and he talks to them. Well, yeah. They don't believe her.

She's probably a bit fucked up, and she doesn't have good relationships. That's the thing. She's molested when she was fucking 11. What do you expect? She doesn't have good relationships with people. And her family fucking facilitated you diddling her, you dickhead. Maybe you have a fucking, maybe, maybe, just maybe you might be a little angry at your parents if they let you get molested

even after you kept telling them that you were being molested. She might have a little bit of animosity. Possible, yeah. Wow. They also went on to say that Sue Ellen had lodged 36 complaints at various police stations and that they were in possession of all the case numbers and details. Also, the charges, he said, ranged from rape and assault to theft, intimidation and fraud. There was also six cases pending against her. They're trying to discredit her, basically. But there's also three other women who don't have all those things happening, so it doesn't matter.

None of that shit matters. So one out of the four that you raped has a fucked up life now? Okay, let's move forward. She claims that Hewitt raped her in his car under some trees before tennis practice in Boxburg one day in 1982 when she was how old? Eleven. Twelve. Oh, good God. Her father, she told her father, told her father.

You know what her father told her? Quote, get over it. Wonder why she's had a fucked up life. Dad, please protect me. This guy's raping me. Get over it. No, you're fine. You go on.

You have great relationships. Your jobs are wonderful. Nothing in your life is fucked up at all. Lace up your kids. You got practice tomorrow. Wow, man. Un-fucking-believable. Unbelievable.

That is, the father said, quote, Sue Ellen said he did this. I said it may have happened at 12, but now you're 41. What can you do about it? Get over it, is what he told her now, too. He told her that now. He told her at the time. She told him at the time, and then she told him now, too. And he her that now. He told her at the time. She told him at the time, and she told him now, too. And he was like, so what? It was 30 years ago.

Fucking who gives a shit? Because the parents are on his side. I understand that statement for a couple of reasons, but I also know that that statement is complete horseshit. Exactly. What Dad just said is I don't have any way

of fixing this. Not my fault. I don't have any way of fixing this. Not my fault. I don't know what to do now. That's what dad said. Yeah. But what came out was I don't give a fuck. Exactly. That's what he said. Because he didn't know what to do and he's too dickless and ballless to fucking actually

try. To give a shit. To put his own shit aside and his own discomfort aside and try to comfort his kid, which is what you're supposed to do in that situation. What you should say is I am ill-equipped to deal with this. Yes, let's get you some therapy. Come to me. I have to hug you first.

Yes, and then we'll both go to therapy. And then we'll move on. Yes. Because I don't know what to do. You don't know what to do. Let's not know what to do together. That's all you can do. And then we'll go about this trial and error.

That's all you can do. That's all you can do. Yeah. Instead, you don't say get over it. You never say get over it. That's not what you say. That's like, you never ask a pregnant girl how far, if you don't know, if you just see like a lady with a, you never ask.

I did that in seventh grade. I did it too. I was a seventh grade substitute teacher who was not pregnant. I did it and then I doubled down because. I said, yeah, you are. I argued with her about it. I did. I saw a girl in a sundress and I said, how far along?

And she said, I'm not pregnant. And I said, yes, you are. Yeah, I did the same exact thing. No, I'm not. And I was like, I'm so sorry, but tell me, did you pick a name? And she was like, I'm not pregnant. And I'm like, I got to go. My excuse was I was 12 at the time.

What do you got? You were 12? No. Okay. I was 34. Yeah, exactly. That's not great. I was in seventh grade in music class.

This was three years ago. Yeah, this was just happening. This is a girl at a comedy club. This is a girl. She had Facebook friends at this broad. So I was. That's hilarious. And she unfriended me after that.

Perfect. She's smart. So. That's my point. You never ask a girl how far along she is, and you never, ever tell somebody that's been molested get over it. Ever. And Sue Ellen's parents both told the court that they were unaware that she claimed she'd been raped by the tennis champion

even though she said she told them. Her mother said, quote, if this had happened, the case would have taken place some 30 odd years ago, except that you ignored it when she told you. And she was fucking 12. And she was fucking 12, exactly. According to the father he told his daughter to get over it and said that she had been making a big deal out of it like you do

wow the court also heard uh her suelen had also accused her father of rape uh the first time uh that wow so yeah uh michael her father denied the allegation in court, quote, followed by a chuckle, which is an odd response to, did you rape your daughter? Shit, no. That's not funny. That's it. I just gave you the response. No. Shit, no.

That's not funny. That's it. Did you see my face change? Did I chuckle? That's not funny. No. That's not funny. I did not. What a terrible uh i can't

imagine this poor family oh my god uh she the mother uh said that the that sue ellen was never alone with you it and uh and uh basically that she's full of shit uh mr hewitt never took my children anywhere she said he never picked her up anywhere i would have known about it we wouldn't allow it because i heard he was fucking people it's all about i would have known about it because it's all about i didn't allow this to happen i'm not a bad parent rather than i'm going to take care of my kid this is i i didn't do anything wrong right this isn't my fault it's ridiculous but your child's hurt and you fucking tend to your child when she's hurt now theresa twiggy tolkien talks about how he touched her inappropriately and forced

her to perform a sex act on him when she was 12 and 13 years old. She sat there in court and gave the whole detail. She said she used to live two blocks from him and would often go to his house for private tennis lessons. She was active and she liked to walk there and, you know, liked to play tennis. Her mom would drop her off or pick her up sometimes. Sometimes she'd ride her bike. Sometimes the tenant, sometimes Hewitt would give her a ride home.

Of course. You never, you know, hey, I'll give her a ride home. Well, the vagina's sore now. It's hard to walk. Exactly. Or she would jog home, whatever, and she would phone him the minute that she arrived home so he could time her how long it took to run because it's like, you know, how long's the run type of thing. What's your time today?

Also, I hope you didn't stop by the police station. Also, yeah. She said, quote, if I was fit and had improved on the day before and after tennis at his house, he would give me a kiss. Yeesh. He would stand behind me. What a reward. Oh, my God.

He would stand me. I stand me behind his car and he would start off just by giving me a peck on the mouth. And from there, he would take me to his squad at old Johannon's club in Linksfield. And he would tell my parents and he would tell my parents because he lives close to me. He'd say she got she wouldn't not the kissing part. She was rushing a lot in this whole thing. And the defense attorney said, can we ask that the witness slows down? We're trying to write everything down and we're battling to keep up. The judge looked over his glasses and said, well, maybe you should try to write faster.

I keep up. Which I think is hilarious. Fuck you, basically. You're representing a monster. I'm not letting her go through this slower, you fucking asshole. He actually did instruct her to slow down a little bit, though. But he told the guy, go fuck yourself, too, at the same time. We didn't want that to come up on appeal.

I'm writing just fine, honey. You're just a little bit slower. Yeah, she said he told my parents that he would bring me home after squad training at Old Johannan's. And this made sense because they lived right by each other. It would save the parents a trip all the way to the tennis club. Everybody wins. But instead, he would not take her directly home. He would take her to the rugby pitch below the tennis courts.

Quote, it would be getting dark and everybody else would have left and he would lie down. He would lie me down on the grass. Oh, he did this. Oh, gross. Oh, Jesus. People playing rugby on top of fucking child molestation grass? She said, yeah, absolutely. Jesus.

She said she didn't know what the terminology was back then, but his penis was erect under his shorts. He would touch my breasts and touch my privates. She, wow. That is ridiculous. She said she could remember the discomfort of his beard touching her skin, which is just gross for this poor kid. The attorney, the prosecutor said, just a minute. Where did you have him touch? Where did you have where did he have you touch him?

And she said, quote, on his penis, my lord, which I find to be a weird statement. I don't know why, because they call him my lord. It's everybody over there. That's just a hard way of saying that. That's gross. Yeah. She, he made her, he talked her into, he said to kiss it, to kiss it. So she said, I literally just kissed it.

And then he said that because she was 12, she didn't understand. That was a kiss to her. She's a fucking child. He said to me, no, this is how you do it. And he explained that I have to open my mouth. He explained the whole thing. She followed with she gave the I don't need to give this explicit details of the instructions. We get how to give a boy.

Yeah, that's what I mean. She said in the 80s, we did as we were told. I had respect for adults and I did as I was told. This fucking monster son of a bitch bastard. Her parents allowed her to go on a trip with him. On a fucking trip. Delilah told my mother that I would be

fine with Bob because my mother did not let us go anywhere alone, but the wife convinced the mother of this shit. Oh, you motherfucker. God damn it. Wait, Delilah went to the mom and was like, oh, Jesus Christ. They'll be safe with Bob. Oh, boy. Bob's very safe.

Oh, boy. Yeah, he said she was 12. She drove around to his son's city on the way to their destination. He had a sob. She said he pulled over to the road, and he made – that's when he was saying he wanted her to – Kiss it. More later. Again, more.

This was after the first time. Keep kissing. Then she made – he made her go – he was in a hotel room and he had her come into the hotel room and he wanted her to get into the bathtub with him. and he wanted her to get into the bathtub with him, and he got naked, and the whole deal, climbed into the bath, told her to get into the bath and lie on top of him. Oh, my God, Jesus Christ, this whole thing here. They said, why did you take your clothes off in court? And he said, because he asked me to.

He told me to. Fuck, man. Then there's some very – there's some horrible details I just can't do. I just don't have it in me to talk about that. Good. i don't have it in me to give the details of what happened here uh but uh yeah he was uh he oh jesus christ man he told her very formal shit the way he said stuff too he she said he would always use the word intercourse saying he wanted to have intercourse with her, and then said, quote, he said that he wanted to put his penis in me and penetrate me. He often used the word penetrate.

Oh, gross. Fuck. Oh, I hate this fucking man so much, so much, so much. It's like he read a book on child molestation and then just spit out the words that he read. Anyway, yeah, Jesus Christ. Great. on child molestation and then just spit out the words that he read anyway yeah jesus good great he ended up having sex with her in this hotel room and uh she told him it hurt so he stopped but he tried anyway now we have letters oh boy we have letters um wow uh yeah uh here we go this is a letter that he sent to Twiggy when she was 12.

Fuck. Okay, go. My love. Bully for me, I found a pen. It's raining at 1223. Hope it stops because I want to work with you today. Apart from that fact, I want to see you. Can't, of course, hold or kiss you as it has come from you.

You are not normally very quick in starting these things, at least not so in the past. I am so flat I can't call you. Unfortunately, you are the only person capable of lifting me up. In the past two days, I know you have had your own problems, in parentheses. You have not only knocked me flat but left me way down in the dungeon. You know where I am and how to contact me, et cetera. So anytime you wish to have a talk about anything else, you know I am always available in body, heart, and mind as well as soul. I love you, XXXBobXXXXXXXXX.

Dude, you're – she's 12? Yeah. She said that she received this letter within the six-month period where she first started being coached by him. And he said, apparently, bully for me was a very – he said that all the time. That was like his famous thing that he said on the court. He used to say it all the time. If he did something good, he'd say bully for me. Next one.

Here we go. Subject is my love for you. To my big love. Quote quote i would like to apologize for not writing you from wp but i really don't have your address i'm cross with you for not trusting me i can only assume that you think of me as a sex maniac believe me i'm not my heart is going faster and faster because in 40 minutes i will see you again well done yesterday you put on you put a little weight on. Not very much, though, and I love it.

He loves it. I like where you're getting chubby, girl. Fuck you, man. He says, and I love it. I love you. I hope we can keep it up for a long time, like forever. What we were doing yesterday and begin very, very soon. Phase one and then soon after phase two. Really, my love, I can't wait.

And only because of my love for you between me, between you, me, between you and me. I believe you have improved so much in the past two months. It's unbelievable. I fear more, feel more strongly about your tennis than ever before. And I hope with all my heart you make it. Your father is determined to keep you at St. Andrews. I wish you would be there and chip in when I talk to him about it. Something ineligible, love now, all my love, Bob.

P.S. This letter does not self-destruct, so please do it yourself now. P.S. Instead of asking questions to Karen about me, Karen only knows 10% girl things of what I know. So he's saying don't talk to your teenage girlfriends about sex because I know everything. I'm really good at it. And please don't tell them also because I'll get arrested. This should go in the trash right now.

That's when she... I know. He coached another girl. She should have said mom, look, this guy's fucking me and I want you to make it stop, please. And I don't even know if her parents, who knows? She shouldn't have to fucking do that. Another girl, another girl from the 1990s took the stands. He was doing this.

Imagine how many between then and then her this woman's. She described the sexual abuse she faced. He gave her private tennis lessons from 14 to 17 years of age. She said, quote, at a private lesson, he was quite jovial. We were discussing tactics, and he said to me, quote, rape is enjoyable in all cases, and if I rape you, you need to lie down and enjoy it. She said that in a court of law and this guy was like it's fine it was only once your honor but she did she just uh she was uh you know just was against his advances uh she rebuffed them and then she said quote by the time i got home he had already phoned

my mother and told her he doesn't think i have the mental toughness for tennis. So he's like, well, she won't fuck me. I'm not coaching this game. I don't want this one. Wow. She's not going to be a good tennis player if she won't fuck me. She also, oh, man. She said that he would rub against her inappropriately and would scold her if she moved away. Quote, I would try to pull away from him.

He would get angry. I could feel him rubbing up and down behind me. I could feel something hard on my back, which I assume now as an adult was an erection. So yeah, I would fucking say so. How are you going to beat these Williams girls if you can't even take this dick? How are you going to do it? You're not. You need mental toughness. Martina, have you ever seen Martina Navratilova? She's a fucking

beast. You want to beat her? Steffi Graf is so good. If you don't take this penis, you'll never beat her. The defense. You can't beat this dick. You can never beat her. The defense. You can't beat this dick. You can't beat her. The defense. They had a former student testify that she saw nothing unusual during their coaching sessions

and had no knowledge of her doing anything wrong. That's their defense. Well, he didn't molest every one of his students. No shit. Out of all the hundreds, he didn't molest all of them. He just picked the hot ones. He just picked whatever. The ones that made his dick tingle.

It's not even that. It's the ones that he knew he'd get away with. These fuckers have a sixth sense. These fucking predators have a sixth sense. They know, A, the ones that are weak and the ones that they can do it to, the ones that possibly have had it done before. And they can fucking sense the ones that aren't going to tell. They fucking know, man. And then the ones that are going to tell or won't take it are the ones that get kicked out.

They're the ones that get kicked out. Ooh, made a bad call on that one. But these fucking predators, they do. They have a sixth sense about it. I mean, I guess that's evolution-wise. That's how they would survive. But still, man, this woman also said that she testified here that it was normal for tennis coaches to keep tennis balls in their pockets. And she found nothing unusual about you standing behind students to show them how they should move their shoulders or hips.

If they're rubbing their dick on you, that's a problem. Yeah, I would say so here. So also she talks about how she knew about the Teresa Tolkien, the Twiggy Tolkien abuse allegations, but the fact that the mother was also aware but chose to keep her in class meant that they all thought she was lying and no one cared because she was the only one. Now, March 23rd, 2013 is the – or 2015 is the verdict. He is found guilty of rape and indecent assault. Judge Burt Bam ruled that the three victims' testimonies had a striking resemblance and that the state was able to prove penetration occurred based on their testimonies. Quote, the state's evidence against the accused is overwhelming.

The three complainants have basic rights. Time did not erase the crimes a guilty person should not go unpunished uh the scales of justice tip against the accused fuck you yeah uh he is held under a form of house arrest in a farm house in southern africa and uh until his sentencing now That's where he'll be held. Wow. Fucking, these poor fucking girls are. I feel so bad for them. How sick, I feel sick about this whole thing. And I feel sick that no one would help them. No one would fucking help them. Not even their parents.

Not even would help, their parents wouldn't help them. The whole deal is South African Asshole Tennis Association can eat shit because they help too. They knew. Everybody fucking, I mean, fucking pork. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. Feel bad, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Bob Hewitt, who serves as the chief executive officer at Klondike Garden Centers Limited in the UK.

Bob Hewitt, an actor who played the character Halandia Rower in the 2010 movie The Social Network. No, no shit. Robert Hewitt, the USDA National Resources Conservation Service person. It's something to do with weed. I don't know. Bob Hewitt, a career 3, 6, and 2 boxer from Australia. Oh, my God. Who debuted in 1963.

Oh, this poor guy. I was like, is that him? I thought it might have been him. Wow. Oh, this poor guy. I was like, is that him? I thought it might have been him. Wow.

Bob Hewitt, a qualified chartered engineer and member of the Institution of Civil Engineers and a member of the Chartered Institution of Highways and Transportation. He has over 40 years of professional experience as a public sector engineer. Good for him. In the UK. Bob Hewitt, a wrestler, a college wrestler for Lock Haven University in Pennsylvania. A rower for Great Britain. Good Christ. Bob Hewitt, a wrestler, a college wrestler for Lock Haven University in Pennsylvania. A rower for Great Britain. Name Bob Hewitt. So many athletes.

And finally, Dr. Bob Hewitt, a respected dentist. Oh, God. Who people think diddles little girls. Fucking poor people. They Google him. Oh, those poor people. May 18, 2015, his sentencing. His wife, Delilah, broke down during the sentencing, during the testimony, because they get, you know, to give mitigating and aggravating, and described how she's sick, she has cancer, and she has ovarian cancer, and she needs Bob to take care of her.

Please don't take Bob away. The trial judge said that Hewitt, quote, manipulated the girls to get them under his spell. And after having groomed them and after having after they had fallen in love with him, the accused proceeded to have intercourse with them without needing their express content. Consent. You, sir, may fuck off eight years in prison. Wow. For your old ass. That's I mean, he's 75. Minimal, but minimal.

But that's pretty solid. That's pretty good. Two years of this sentence will be suspended on the condition that he pays a penalty fee towards supporting survivors of rape and sexual assault. So he has to make a large donation to some organization. April 6, 2015, he's kicked out of the Hall of Fame. Oh, that's great. Finally boot him for good. Take a fucking hike, asshole, which is finally good here. They said, quote, the conviction was issued by South African court in March of 2015, and the appellate courts have now denied the right to further appeals, so they booted him.

They deny the right to appeal the conviction, but he can appeal his sentence. He's going to do that. Really? Oh, yeah. First sentence appeal, they reiterated that the crimes were overemphasized, the whole deal. You can't over – you cannot overstate rape, sir. No, there is no overstatement of that, especially with a child. You can't overstate child rape ever.

Nope, that's the worst. That's as bad as you get. That's the worst one, for sure. Sorry, you fucked it up bad. Sorry that there has to be a worse, but that's it. That's the one. They said that U.S. age and health should be considered in this whole process. The prosecution said, obviously, they don't want it to be lowered worse, but that's it. That's the one. They said that you, its age and health should be considered in this whole process. The prosecution said, obviously, they don't

want it to be lowered. The sentence they think he deserves every fucking minute of it. Now's the time that they should be using the word diabolical for this motherfucker. This is diabolical. Yeah. He said that listen to what his, listen to what his fucking lawyer's argument was, because now they can't they can't appeal the conviction.

So he's not saying I didn't do it anymore anymore now they're just trying to get the sentence reduced yeah he says holy shit his attorney argues that he was a changed man and that he had quote not continued raping young girls oh okay all right we're so i'm sorry what are we all doing here convenience to this poor man. Can someone get him something, a sandwich, something to eat, get him a ride home, this poor son of a bitch. He hasn't raped any. Oh, well, he stopped raping young girls. Everything's good.

Thank God for him stopping. Wow. Can you imagine how many there would be if he didn't? No, no. That's not the ballsiest thing he said. That's not the ballsiest thing he said. Okay. Want to get really mad?

Lawyer also said that the trial court should have considered this the mitigating circumstance this circumstance that one of his victims said it was painful he took his dick out of her so you should get less time literally literally are you fucking kidding me you didn't brutally injure a 12 year old girl so that makes it okay he's a remorseful rapist james he really feels terrible that he that she can't accommodate such a huge monster penis oh my fucking god i am so disgusted with this motherfucker uh the uh yeah the uh justice here uh said that the psychological trauma of the complainants had to be take precedent of this whole thing. She also said the court could have imposed a life sentence considering the nature.

He's fucking lucky to have six years. Be thankful. He should shut his old ass up and get the fucking jail is what they said basically here. So they said that he had no remorse whatsoever. Obviously, he didn't. He's like, well, I stopped raping young girls. What's the big fucking deal here? Jesus Christ.

Stop raping young girls. What's the big fucking deal here? Jesus Christ. His wife said, quote, My Lord, I have never had to beg before, but I'm asking you from the bottom of my heart to please let my husband return to the farm as I could not survive without him. So, yeah. Maybe you should have begged for him to stop raping children. The judge said, quote, I feel that I lose a drop of blood out of my heart every day. This pain, this pain has been caused. That's what she told the judge.

And he basically listened to her and then ignored. She was like, that's great. She said, quote, the media went on a complete manic frenzy. We were hounded 24-7. We had no privacy. They climbed trees. Our son was stalked in shopping malls. And the judge was like, that's fine.

Next? Next? I don't know what to tell you. So now we have Bob here on the stand. Bob says. He came up with his sixth sense and said, I see molestable people. I see molestable people all over the gallery. He says in their own words, quote, in my life I have faced adversity, but this one is unbearable.

My biggest sadness is for my adorable children. That's it. That's all he had to say. That's it. Nothing about the girls. Also, Jesus Christ, man. My adorable but unfuckable children. Delilah had to, yeah.

So the lawyer says, one thing is clear. The accused is no longer a threat to the community. I mean, he's not raping anybody right now. So it's Jesus Christ, man. This is ridiculous, though. He has no remorse. He has shit. He's just a terrible person.

The judge said here at the court needed to remember that his modus operandi was a grooming situation, which is right. It's not like other rape cases where people are lured somewhere and physically abused. This is a grooming situation. There is no remorse at all. You had to think about that and plan it and do it. This is way worse than jumping on someone in an alley. It really is.

I mean, that's horrible. But July 20th, 2015, another one comes forward. Another woman comes forward. After it's already done. Leanne Taylor, who was nine. Oh, my God. Nine in the 1980s. Nine fucking years old when he did this to her.

Accused of abusing her in his car, clubhouses, and anywhere else he found a quiet place, she said. She said she only found the courage to speak out after she attended the trial in secret last year. She said, quote, for 30 years, I buried it and I thought I was okay. I thought it hadn't affected me at all. But when I look back now, I realize it's affected me badly. The whole purpose of life is to have bonds with people, is to trust people, to love people. I have none of those. So this poor fucking woman, another woman he destroyed, this is terrible. She can't seek legal action because her sexual assault took place over 20 years ago and it doesn't match up. She does say she's going to

get professional help now. His last appeal, June, to have his sentence reduced. His lawyers argued that he's a changed man. The whole thing. They do the same thing. He's aged. He's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't matter. The court said this is the Supreme Court of Appeals. Hewitt, ironically, the father of a young girl himself

at the material time, exploited the complainant's innocence and youth and forced them to submit to his wicked desires. He abused his position of authority and responsibility toward them and also abused the trust of their parents that their parents had placed in him when they put their young children in his care.

You, sir, again may fuck off for that. That was a beautiful one. The sentence fitted the crimes and the crime and fairly balanced the competing interests. So fuck you. Jail is perfect for you, dickhead. They said his celebrated status does not therefore earn him a special sentence. So June 15th, they let this asshole out on bail for a while while he appeals the sentence again.

This is ridiculous. They let him out on bail with this application to get out, whatever. People are pissed that they let him out at all. They're like, why are you letting this asshole out? But They let him out on bail with this application to get out, whatever. People are pissed that they let him out at all. They're like, why are you letting this asshole out? But they let him out. No problem. They do that. In the sentencing appeal, he argues that the loss of his reputation, the shame and stigma of the rape conviction was sufficient punishment enough.

I don't think so. They did not agree. And they said, sentence fits the crime asshole take a hike he is denied uh another appeal he's shit out of luck he is forced to uh he's going to be sent to prison here twiggy uh twiggy tolkien said uh she quote my mother and i have been waiting for tomorrow for a very long time i just wish my dad was around to witness this day uh bob hewitt has tried to invade uh tried to evade justice and tried everything at his disposal to stay out of jail the past few years. He has continually lied about his despicable actions.

The truth always catches up with you, and hopefully this is a lesson for other pedophiles out there. Don't ever think you're above the law. You will be caught. To all the other victims, don't be afraid to speak up. There are people and organizations like Women and Men Against Child Abuse out there who will hold you up and support you through your ordeal. True. Also, keep an eye out for changes in your fucking kids and things like that. And also, not everyone wants to touch your buttholes, too.

So it might not be that. Just whatever. Talk to your kids. September 20, 2016, he has to report to jail. He's finally reporting to jail. He hands himself over to authorities at St. Albans Correctional Center in Port Elizabeth. Reporters arrive at the crack of dawn to try to get a picture of him. However, he was already there.

He got there even earlier. They snuck him in the back door to not make a big thing. He will enjoy some privileges at the prison as a result of being categorized as a medium offender medium offender uh they placed you it you it in a medium b center the center maximum center does not allow contact visits for the first six months while at a medium center he will enjoy two visits per month which can at least last up to 45 minutes each uh quote at the moment he is undergoing a security risk and health assessment. This will indicate which type of cell he will be put in.

As you know, he has a health condition, but all of this will be taken into consideration and it will be determined by the close of today whether or not he goes to a group, single or hospital cell. Yeah. So he's going to get fucking special privileges in jail for this sort of shit. Pampered. Pampered. Treated fucking well as a medium.

I don't even know what they're doing with him, but it doesn't matter. He's 70. What is he now? 78 years old. 78 years old. 77 years old. Fucking die in prison, please. He will.

I hope that he does. I really, really fucking hope that he does. And I'm a little pissed at Delilah, if I'm being quite honest here. I'm not her fucking best friend. I feel like she knew. I feel like she had to know. She's got to know something. She had to know something was wrong.

Or at least suspected. Something. Fuck, man. And if she didn't, what the fuck are you looking for? That's the other thing. Pay attention. Then again, he's on the road all the time. Who the fuck knows?

I don't want to blame her for it, but I just want to. I don't blame her for it, but i definitely fucking tell her she's an asshole for not looking further crushes windpipe while he's in the fucking gym somewhere or something in the in prison just someone stabbed him 10 pound barbell i hate this fucking guy do some work oh he's great he's old and he's like 80 years old that's what i mean just shove him over i don't care so i'm obviously the satire we're not violence, but we're kind of rooting for something bad to happen to this guy because I fucking hate him. We're not begging. No, we're not begging for it.

If it happens, it happens. Can't get enough of Bob Hewitt? Oh, boy. Oh, boy. You can get the book Justice Served, The Trial and Conviction of Bob Hewitt, which is just like I did, for $13. That's a good pun. It's a pretty good – yeah, which is just like I did. I like that. For $13. That's a good pun. It's a pretty good – yeah, yeah. It's not bad.

Justice served. It's not a bad book, actually. They do a pretty good job. I found some decent detail in there. I mean, not everything, but it's – I got 10 minutes out of it, which for me, 10 minutes out of a source is a lot. So it's good. Good job. That is a solid tennis pun, actually.

That's a solid one. I really like that. Not a bad job. So that's Bob Hewitt. Holy shit, what a goddamn disaster. Dirty Love would have been a better one. That would have been, yeah. Dirty Love, that would have been perfect.

Dirty slash love, too. That would have been the one to do it. That's great. That's a much better pun. I like that. Good job, Jimmy. Thank you. You should write shittily titled books.

Or at least title them. I'm not sure which. Just put up some books. You missed your calling, Jimmy. Holy shit, man. If you like that case, I don't sure which. Just put up some books. You missed your calling, Jimmy. Holy shit, man. If you like that case, I don't know what the hell's wrong with you, but if you like hearing a horrible case

of an awful, awful man, I told you he was an awful person that you wouldn't like him at all anymore. I hate that I didn't know who he was. You should hate that you said he was your kind of guy more than anything. You said that. I'm like, oh, don't say that now.

Don't say it. Don't say it. I mean, in his playing career, he seemed like my kind of guy. He's not going to be a Mandy Maloon where he comes back and goes, actually, decent cat. Actually, you know, I've had a nice heart-to-heart with him. Fuck that guy.

He can eat shit. I never want to hear from him. He can eat shit. So that's Bob Hewitt. If you like that show or like that story, please get on iTunes. Give us five stars. Tell us whatever you want. Tell us your following instructions, following directions. It helps so, so much. It does. If you like that show or like that story, please get on iTunes. Give us five stars. Tell us whatever you want. Tell us your following instructions, following directions. It helps so, so much. It does.

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He's a local comic in Phoenix. Yeah, I like him. They call him the worst local comic, but he's a fucking great dude. He's a nice guy. I've never seen his comedy. He's going to come meet us. Don't. He might be a good comic.

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We read that, man. We both, yeah. It's fucking incredible. We're happy Thank you very much. Congratulations and keep fucking moving forward. Yeah, really. You're doing the Lord's work and you're killing it. We read that, man. We both, yeah. It's fucking incredible. That's awesome. We're happy for you, man. Elizabeth Heitbrink, Madeline Brough, David Imel, Phoebe Lara, Under the Sea Fabrics. I'm not sure what it is. I hope you guys are supporting it, whatever they do.

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No, no, no. I would have had some words for him. Sorry, Mr. Tebag. We appreciate you. He gets that a lot, I'm sure of it. Stacey L. Langtot? It's got to be Langtot, right? L-A-N-C-T.

She's donated before. Is it a C? It might be Langstot. Langstot? Oh, it could be. Maybe. That's less. Because Langtit is brutal.

That's less conconsonant-y. Right. It's less difficult. Mark Hamill? I hope that's. No, it's not. I want it to be, but it's not. Did Luke Skywalker give us money?

Thanks, Luke. Mariah Min here. Thank you, Mariah. She's terrific. Yeah, she's the best. Yeah, we like her a lot. Lauren Odom. Tabitha McClary Beaver.

No, Bayer. Bayer. Jesus Christ. So sorry, Tabitha. Johnny Teabag and Tabitha Beaver. This is great. You're batting 1,000, Jimmy. Stephen Slade.

Thank you so much. Regina Egan, one of the Egan sisters. Hey, one of the Egan girls. Thank you so much, Regina. Thank you so much. She said she's not fancy like her sister negotiating raises, but her 3% raise is just fine. She'll take her 3 and chip us off some bucks. Her 2.6, she said.

So that's really cool. We love us some Egan girls. Thank you. Michelle Jolly in Australia. Thank you. Oh, she's the best, too. Always comes through. Watch your fucking children around people in Australia, apparently.

Or, well, I guess South Africa, too. Yeah, watch your buttholes. Just fucking around the area. Everybody watch your kids' buttholes. Everybody. Janice Klett. Christopher Reed. No, Christopher Lee. God damn it. or well i guess south africa too just fucking around the everybody watch your kids but everybody janice clett christopher reed no christopher lee god damn it thank you chris uh ariah strauss megan smith uh sarah peterson nicole danzer uh tay tay tayan no tayan kim tayan kim tayan tayan t-a-y-e-n tayan right i right? I'm not sure. Fucking Jesus. Oh, wow.

She's terrific. She's sending messages on Instagram, too, and I still can't pronounce her name. I didn't even ask because I'm an asshole. Donald Owen or Donal? Donald? It's Donald, right? Joseph Brulet? B-R-O-U-I-L-L-E-T.

What? That's a tough one. Fucking Brulet. That's French, right? That's a tough one. Brulet? It could be Brulet. Like creme? It could be brulee. Like creme?

It could be. Like creme. Jake LaBeer, Colin Lesky, Teresa Montano, Jacob Manbeck. Yes. Almost called him Mandick. I'm so sorry, Jacob. Mandick, T-Bag, and fucking Mandy Beaver, or whatever the other name was. Terrible.

I think it was Tabitha. Tabitha Beaver or whatever the other name was. Terrible. I think it was Tabitha. Tabitha Beaver. Jesse Hartman, Kim Kinney, Will Eagleston, Autumn Allen, Marissa Wells, Peyton Meadows, Elizabeth Wolfinger, Brittany Smith, Mitchell Holmes, Megan Sibert, Nick Mahmoud. Thank you so much, Nick. I appreciate you, brother. Cindy Villatoro, Celeste with no last name, Katrina Seabright, Tamesha Dorico, or Tamesha. It's probably Tamesha.

Probably Tamesha. Dylan Wimp. That's fucking. Are you serious? No. Could it possibly be really Wimp? No. That's fucked up.

Your parents, they should have for sure changed their last name. Total dicks. And Danny Booby, your parents are no worse or no better. I'm not sure. Jesus, man. They're probably amazing people. These are all very nice people that were just befouling the public setting. Annie Axler, Judith Keel, Vicky Yano-Shaw, Jean Virginia Brinson.

That's who it is. Lola Major, Mike Cipelli, Danny Cav, Jeffrey Goyne, Carolyn Rawson, Caroline Rawson probably, Krista Eichlett, or Eichlett, I think it's Eich, God damn it, Jenna Grosh, I'm so sorry you guys, Neil Anis, what's that last one? Anis, A-N-N-I-S, yeah, I think I got it. I was going to say, do you have T-Bag, Beaver, Anus, and, that's too much. Come on. This week too much. Come on. This week is brutal.

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Jeff Watson Robert Riggins December Theron Allison Davis Tina Sanchez and somebody named Mike you guys are fucking amazing uh britney mcdonald jeff watson robert riggins december theron uh allison davis tina sanchez and somebody named mike you guys are fucking amazing thank you thank you so much for supporting what we do we can't no we can't legitimately cannot do this without you literally what we said at the top of the show and all that shit it's so true if it wasn't for you guys this would not be possible it doesn't have no one can work we can't work this

much for free we just can't it's impossible this is all i do and you wouldn't all day all night nobody nobody out there's gonna work 80 hours a week for two years for nothing right and that's what i've done like an asshole and fucking you know what i mean so thank you guys and you guys fucking come through and so it doesn't matter we don't give a shit how much we get fucked over on the other side because honestly man when you get fucked over enough you go why am i doing this and then we go oh yeah we have an audience this is why we're doing this and you guys care so much that you guys buy tickets to see us at shows so many of them that we have to put two fucking shows in in cities now what we're saying thank you guys is you guys are dicks that are making us fucking

loyal to you that we have to fucking do things for you now. And we don't appreciate you guys engendering all this loyalty from us. Stop being such friends, God damn it. Stop being so fucking good to us. I'm just kidding. We love you guys so much. Thank you so much. Honestly, you're the only goddamn thing in this world we can count on with these shows.

And so thank you guys, and we'll continue doing the shows just for you if we have to. That's true. We don't give a shit. It doesn't matter. What if a guy or a lady, who knows, wanted to get a hold of a fellow like yourself? Jimmy, how might they do that? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Thank you guys so much for being around.

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