Crime in Sports - #113 - Punching Leads To Shooting - The Turbulentness of Jermain Taylor

Episode Date: April 17, 2018

This week, we take a hard look at man who came up the hard way, and managed to overcome it all to be a hero to his community, state, and the entire country. He achieved all his goals, before ...beginning a long string of strange, violent, and scary incidents, making him not only lose his hero status, but his freedom. It's a truly wild tale of having it all, and needing to throw it away, as quickly as possible!!Win an Olympic medal, fire shots toward a family at the Martin Luther King Jr Day parade, and shoot your own cousin in the front yard with Jermain Taylor!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGet all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comFor Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows... Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!!Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Nashville!Try First Leaf wine today & get your first 3 bottles for just $5 each!! Go to tryfirstleaf.com/cisLook great at your next event with by going to theblacktux.com/cis to get $20 off!!!Contact us on...twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:29 That's why we gave you an extra long episode the week before, the insanity of Jose Canseco. But this week, it's crazier, Jimmy. It's crazier. Let's do this. Let's find the asshole of the week, shall we? Let's do it. This is a weird one, too.
Starting point is 00:03:42 It's one of these guys. It's a very Riddick bowie situation which is yeah riddick bow episode was fantastic it was crazy yeah and this is a very much like a riddick bow type situation it's a guy who you look at and you go wow he's an upstanding guy yeah and he's sitting on top of the world right and uh and then he just falls apart and then he's just like, holy shit. Friends, family, they're like, it's not the same guy. It's one of those things. Let's get right to it with Jermaine Taylor.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Do you know who Jermaine Taylor is? He's a boxer, and he was an amazing boxer. We'll get to it. He was an undisputed champion. He's an Olympic champion. He's an upstanding guy. Do I know him? You probably heard of him and seen him he was a middleweight boxer in the 2000s when boxing kind of took a dip and you were into ufc i know at that
Starting point is 00:04:30 point so i'm not sure okay but he was very very famous because he was also in the olympics and we have weird olympic worship at least in this country but does he was he one of the ones that was fighting when uh that little bald fucker was fighting from uh the little bald fucker who might that be i forgot uh zab uh it was oh zab judah yeah yeah yeah it's the same time it's the same time period zab was in the 90s too and then into the 2000s we'll get into this here and we'll find out exactly who we fought and when great uh and find out exactly maybe how that caused the uh falling apart on, we'll say, because, man, did it fall apart hard.
Starting point is 00:05:08 So hard. Let's talk about it. Why does it fall apart so hard for boxers? That's a good question. When you mix all of the other elements, I think, of all the other athletes we talk about, where they have money and they have fame, people kiss their ass, and they get kind of this weird ego trip. Well, you can add severe brain damage to that and an aggressive nature to begin with
Starting point is 00:05:28 and then you get boxers who go down the wrong road. I also think the boxing lifestyle is much more flash than... Oh, it is. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's entourage. It's so much more flash than a... Because it's an individual thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:41 It's every few months you come out and you have an entrance. You're a wrestler. I mean, Jesus Christ. You come out with an entrance theme with 30 people behind you and you have this whole thing and you've built this whole mystique up where the guy's been training you for months and he's been telling you're gonna you know eat this guy's heart out of his chest and you're it's fucking nuts and then three months of just living and spending all that money yeah and parting it up and that's the other thing too and you have to have a certain level of invincibility in your brain it's a you have to be a somewhat of a narcissist unbelievable narcissist to be able to it's like fighter pilots we talked about they take the narcissist and they
Starting point is 00:06:13 go no you're we're putting you in the flight program need yeah we need you because you're crazy and you'll get shot down and won't think you're even going down you'll be like no no i'm flying perfectly fine as your plane's on fire heading toward the ground fucking smoke trail yeah and i feel like that's what you need at a certain point to be a box exactly what they're doing and they say that too as their plane is true is smoking to the ground yeah boxers are still going i'm fine but i'll turn it around uh closing pitchers you have no engine on your plane anymore it's on fire literally it's boxers it's closing pitchers in baseball you have to be able to take a horrific horrific loss and then just go that didn't happen and get right back out there there's a boxing to
Starting point is 00:06:48 get knocked out it's got to be it's a big deal right in front of people on television it's so embarrassing that's well that's just the whole thing you have to be able to get up and go oh fuck that shit no well i no no no i'll be the other guy next time yeah it's gonna work out obviously that was a fluke so uh it's one of those things. He's born Jermaine Taylor all the way back on August 11th, 1978 in Little Rock, Arkansas. Wow. He is Mr. Arkansas. Let me tell you something. This guy loves Arkansas.
Starting point is 00:07:16 He is all about Arkansas. Great. And they love him. He is like kind of hometown pride. Everyone loves him in Arkansas for a while. Is Bill Clinton a boxing? Well, there's a Bill Clinton reference in here. Oh, fantastic.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Actually, there's some. Yeah, well, he comes across Bill Clinton in both famous Arkansas. You can't be in Arkansas in any time from the 70s to the 90s and not come across Bill. Especially if you were going to the Olympics from Arkansas in 2000. You were right in his wheelhouse there. Let's talk about his childhood a little bit here uh taylor here jermaine his father abandoned the family when he was five years old which is the recipe and perfect and we've said it repeatedly is it better for the dad to to just leave right right away and not have a you know father figure
Starting point is 00:08:01 for the children or to stick around and beat the holy shit out of anybody with an arm's length of them. Arms reach. I don't know. I'll tell you one good thing. One thing for sure is you don't stick around for a little bit and then leave. No, no, no. That's what he did here. You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:08:17 He did here. That was his dad, Lee Taylor. Yeah. At least he wasn't Jermaine Senior. Yeah, no doubt. So that's a positive. We have one positive here. So he leaves. His that's a positive. We have one positive here. So he leaves.
Starting point is 00:08:26 His wife is a car. I don't even know how to say this. C-A-R-L-O-I-S. Carlois? Carloise? Carloise? Carlois? Carlois?
Starting point is 00:08:38 Carlois? Carlois. It's for sure Carlois. That's probably her name, I'm sure. She's from Little Rock. Everyone goes, Car-le. The French. We're going to go with Car-louise.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Still the French quarter. We're going to go with Car-lois. Car-lois sounds more like it, which sounds like you named your car Lois. This is my car, Lois. So there's Car-lois. Car-le. Car-le. There's Car-lois.
Starting point is 00:09:12 And there's carlois carlois carlois and uh there's a car carlois and uh germaine and three sisters that germaine has a uh tamika tamara and gussy they were all a year apart and then germaine is the oldest of the group gussy jeez gussy i hope that's not a real Carla gave up after She ran out of T names Tamika Tamara Fuck I can't think of another one Nevermind Fuck Tammy You're Gussie Gussie
Starting point is 00:09:33 Gussie take that That's a girl's name That's a girl That's fucked up That's a Gussie I wonder what her real name was Gus Gus
Starting point is 00:09:43 This is my sister, Gus. This is my other sister, Henry. What kind of sister name is that? What the shit is going on? What are you doing? Well, her name is Carl Lois. You can't trust her to name a child. She's going by Carl Lois.
Starting point is 00:09:59 That's not a fucking thing. Wow. So Carl Lois was a nursing assistant. that's what she did for a job yeah did not make a lot of money the family ass wiper is what she is yeah but not high paid just no just ass wiper yeah low paid ass wiper we'll call her uh which sounds like an insult you ass wiper you're a low paid low paid ass wiper it's like a weird drunk insult uh so uh germaine uh kind of had to be the the i guess the father figure the adult figure in the family because he was the oldest three little sisters and the only man and the only male so it was basically it was keep an eye on your little
Starting point is 00:10:37 sisters make sure nobody messes with your little sisters all that sort of thing he uh he kind of became the uh the caretaker of the house he started to do laundry and do dishes and uh you know all that shit i mean this is like this little kid changing diapers didn't give a shit so i mean he was uh it's growing up fast you know what i mean he wasn't allowed to play with his friends outside didn't have time didn't have time well he just wasn't allowed it was like well if you go outside then no one's here to watch your sisters and you know there's this one just shit her pants and cheese and right yeah you got to do that stuff here uh so uh also there's a the thing here they talk about uh when he was a kid his
Starting point is 00:11:14 sister uh fell off her bike and broke her hip broke her hip now for a child to break their hip you have to that's a force that's some force that's some that's some action right there like you can't it's so hard for a kid to break their fucking hip i had a girlfriend in high school that broke her hip and pelvis and she was in a car accident where the car slid into a telephone pole right at her hip and pelvis that's how it happened with the force of of car and telephone not just falling off a bike right i've never heard of anybody under 80 breaking their hip that's so weird a car accident that's what i mean it's super strange here so uh but uh but uh his mother was at work so he had to call the paramedics and be the you know carry
Starting point is 00:11:57 his sister and take care of her real adult yeah he had to be an adult uh she ended up being in a body cast a public a full body cast he had to carry her around the house to get her from place to place because she couldn't walk they couldn't afford wheels and there was no i don't even judge you're just stiff i picture her being like a you know like a you know an old sitcom right and a complete with just like eye holes popping out and some a little tiny hole to put a straw in that's what i that's what i picture some pulley system where like somebody constantly hits the pole and she goes ah her leg flies up and she just screams turn around what and the leg flies back into place and it's stupid farce bullshit hospital sitcom
Starting point is 00:12:35 so he's carrying her uh around the house uh when they ask him about it later on when he's talking about it as childhood he says, who hasn't had problems? Everybody's been through something. We got by, though I don't know how. That's a hell of a way to look at your sister in a body cast. That's just his whole. Everybody's got problems. That's his whole childhood.
Starting point is 00:12:56 He's like, listen, I'm not going to complain. Everybody's got problems. Who hasn't had problems? You know, like nobody. Not many people have had those problems. Those are worse problems than most people have had, which is fine to acknowledge don't have you can be cool about it but you don't have to act like you know shit everybody does this that's not normal everybody's mom's name is carlois that's normal right i'll bet gus he's going yeah but you weren't in the body cast that's all exactly
Starting point is 00:13:18 that was the shit few months yeah no shit so he's very quiet as a child also which i mean he's concentrating probably he's got a lot of shit to do yeah i know as like as a parent and you would know too if you have like multiple things going on you're like you're doing some dishes and you got like food going you got this and this one's got to be in the bath by eight so they could be in bed by 8 30 you have all these different things going on it makes you quieter yeah you just yeah you yell it so you have outbursts right parental outbursts what the fuck's going on in there right and that's that's your outburst but otherwise you're not talking because you're thinking because you got shit to do you have shit to do uh he didn't get to have a normal childhood because he was in the house watching his sisters while all
Starting point is 00:13:58 the other kids were outside playing when he was real little here and uh also he has a speech impediment when he's a child and he's got a very bad stutter so he's carrying his sister around the house in a body cast stuttering left and right not being able to go outside right it's a very like kind of a not a guy you would expect to be a physically kind of a dominant person you would expect to you know him to be more and into himself goes one of two ways yeah either goes like super introvert and and never talks to anybody because he's afraid to stutter and get made fun of that's right you go the other way and you just beat the holy shit out of everything like yeah like like
Starting point is 00:14:34 because you're frustrated like a shitty dad like we talked about uh he does have a father figure in his life uh which is an older cousin named tyrone hinton yeah and he'll come up repeatedly from now until the end of the episode right till the very end of the episode he'll uh whoa what a what a roller coaster of a relationship these two have here uh this hinton said that he played a father figure role for jermaine uh starting pretty much right after the dad abandoned the family uh he said this guy tyrone his uncle also or cousin also came up on the streets of west uh little rock okay which is apparently a shithole it is and uh it's it's basically the the gang of the banging and little rock hbo special uh is like lived out in real life with these guys so it's interesting he said this is this guy
Starting point is 00:15:23 talking about how he helped jermaine first of all he's going look i helped him i played a father figure uh you know i even helped him get initiated into the bloods he's like perfect i helped the i'm a father figure i'm a role model damn it i've done everything i can i've done everything i got him into the bloods uh you know what else do you want from me i mean what speech therapy no i'm not doing that no of course not i got him into the bloods i figured that would help you with your therapy yeah yeah no shit uh taylor's nickname was uh tj on the street apparently and uh basically from from five years old he kind of knew the way of the street through his cousin but wasn't allowed on the street because he couldn't leave the
Starting point is 00:16:01 fucking house right so once he got once yeah once he got into his teenage years uh it got a little bit different but he always had a little bit of a fighting spirit at him even when he was carrying a sister around stuttering uh his uh cousin tyrone said quote i made him fight when he was five years old i made all his cousins put their hands up and fight each other and he's saying this bragging his big brags are i got him into the bloods right and i made all the five-year-olds fight each other that's that's this guy's i started baby fight club yeah and i got him a nickname and i got him a nickname and a possible future gunshot wound yay i got him a future rap sheet but now he knows how to do really cool signals with his hands so it's awesome he can spell shit out with just a couple of hand signals it's pretty impressive i will say that shit here but the boxing part of it paid off yeah so out of everything here teaching these
Starting point is 00:16:56 children to fight gave this guy something to do in the future i'm sure it didn't work out that well for the rest of the kids who just ended up having brain damage but he went on to have a different kind of brain damage at least he was paid for his brain damage which is better he was compensated that's what you want you got to be compensated for your brain damage uh he began actually going to a boxing gym at age 13 uh he uh his cousin began training uh at the gym with a guy named ozel nelson so taylor would come along jermaine would kind of come along and see what the gym was all about kind of check it out uh nelson who was uh the trainer there said quote he didn't show me no special deal he was just another kid so he's
Starting point is 00:17:37 like he wasn't shit he was a stuttery little skinny fucker i didn't see shit in him is what he said basically show me no special deal he said basically show me no special deal show me no special deal that sounds like some arkansas shit right there no special deal it's just another kid to me i don't give a fuck about these little bastards i don't know shit about nothing now uh the the problem with this is uh he was interested in fighting he wanted a box he thought this was cool uh carlois not into it at all oh i'm sure over protective over it's not just over just protective of her son and she has three daughters and a son so she's the only dude in here that knows how to operate a hammer and nails no exactly that knows how to operate teach gussy i think she'll be good
Starting point is 00:18:16 at it i have a feeling so uh this ozel uh nelson says quote his mother did not want him to box germaine kept bugging me to talk to her but but his mother told me in a real, real firm manner that, quote, there's no way my son is going to get brain dead. Which is a great, at least Carlos gives a shit. She gives a shit. No way my son's going to get brain dead. But I got a shift to go to right now. He's carrying a crippled sister around. We got fucking problems.
Starting point is 00:18:41 He doesn't need to be punched in the face. That's not going to help here. Apparently for six months he would just nag his mother uh please let me box please let me box she kept saying no no no uh one day uh the trainer nelson passed the taylor house as he was doing his uh he was uh collecting he was picking up the kids who were too young to drive to come to the gym so he'd go to these neighborhoods and he'd have like you know six kids that were going to the gym you pick them all up take them to the gym uh so he's passing around passing through the neighborhood and he says quote the family was outside raking leaves i shot the gas because i didn't want carlois to think i was trying to pick up her son but she ran out and flagged me down so he's like oh shit now she thinks he thinks that
Starting point is 00:19:22 she's pissed at him he says as soon as she got out in the street, he said the first thing. I'm not after your son is what he said to her. Like, hey, chill out. She said, quote, take him. He's all yours. Do with him what you want. So she was like, I am tired of this shit. He's cutting up.
Starting point is 00:19:40 He's acting like he's acting a fool. I made him pick a switch and it still didn't help. I'm done wiping asses. Make money. God damn it. I tried to give him Southern justice and it didn't work. So it didn't work at all. So Carl Lois here, she's finally okay with it.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And so Jermaine, this is right around when he turns 14. He gets in the ring with Nelson's son, who is a year older than Jermaine. And he beat the shit out of Jermaine pretty good in his first official. Jermaine doesn't know how. Yeah, he didn't know how yet. And that's what the point of it was. He was showing him you don't know how. That was the thing. Like, you need to train or otherwise you're just going to get beat up by people.
Starting point is 00:20:19 This is going to happen every single time. Yeah, it was the trainer's son. So he's like, see, he knows how to do this. Therefore, he beat the shit out of you, and you didn't. So he said that Ozel, the trainer, said, quote, don't feel bad. Stay with me six months,
Starting point is 00:20:33 and I guarantee you you'll beat Lendrick, who's his son. Wow. So he told him that. With a guarantee. With a guarantee that he's going to, I guarantee you I'll teach you to kick my kid's ass, which is such a weird thing.
Starting point is 00:20:45 It's a weird way to promise somebody something. I'm going to train this other child so he can beat my child up. How does that make you feel as a son to be standing there in your dad's lap? Oh, you'll kick his ass. I'm going to teach you to knock the fuck out of my boy. Look at this punk motherfucker. Check him out. Skinny-armed motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Yeah, that's right. You're going to beat his ass good. That's fantastic. He's a pussy. I told his mom he's a pussy since he's a baby. I said that he's crying in his crib. I said he's a pussy. Listen to him crying.
Starting point is 00:21:11 He's never going to be shit. He's going to get his ass whooped when he's 14. Right. One day I'm going to train a boy to kick the shit out of that kid. That's right. I'm going to try. I'm going to pick him out. Waking me up at 2 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:21:21 I'll show you. I'm going to train him. Six months is all I need. I'll have him whooping my son's ass boy i'm like i'm gonna make a boy whip your ass it's on now so uh it's ridiculous so uh yeah he ends up uh he ends up uh uh sticking with this whole thing uh which is which is nice uh ozel nelson who uh remains one of taylor's trainers yeah kind of throughout his rise also uh in little rock during all this while he's going to school while he's boxing he's still going to school like
Starting point is 00:21:50 a he's still a kid like a kid does like a kid does he's going to mcclellan high school uh but he is not able to graduate because of he's not at school enough because of his training and fighting he would rather skip school and go train which is one of those things not great at school enough because of his training and fighting. He would rather skip school and go train, which is one of those things. Not great at school, pretty good at boxing. So he went to the thing that was more aptitude for him. And it pays off. I mean, it really does here. He ends up earning his GED.
Starting point is 00:22:16 That was one of the things the trainer made him do. Trainer told him he had to get his GED. If he wasn't going to go to school, you got to at least have something to say. You can't just leave it open-ended. It was one of those things they said to kind of just teach him to finish shit whether it was in some way shape or form put a bow on it basically uh is what they were trying to do here now through this whole thing it pays off because he's born in 78 so he should have graduated 96 instead of graduating he was winning amateur tournaments and that sort of thing. He won the 1996 under-19-year-old championship.
Starting point is 00:22:50 So instead of graduating, he did that. So that was his kind of college, I guess you could say. Pretty sweet gig. It's a pretty sweet gig, except for the brain damage. There's not a lot of college courses that take you on a brain damage level, but that's okay here. He's probably got the same equivalent understanding of history as i do anyway so which is true so but he's also got a belt and he can and he can kick people's asses and he's got a belt and he's famous and we're doing an episode on him so you know what maybe you took the right path after all i'm armed with
Starting point is 00:23:18 dick jokes and a microphone you know what though you're not being made fun of mercilessly for two and a half hours by two dickheads with dick jokes and microphones. So you know what? We win. Yay. So Jermaine goes on to win two Police Athletic League championships there in the late 90s, which is Police Athletic League. Like a lot of times, mostly in inner cities, they have Police Athletic League sports leagues, and they're sponsored by the police. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Keeps you out of trouble. It keeps you out of trouble. Also gets you they're sponsored by the police. Right. Keeps you out of trouble. It keeps you out of trouble. Also gets you on a list of the cops. Yeah. Well, it's rather than you can either be running around the neighborhood or you're in the gym with a bunch of cops, with a bunch of dudes with flat tops and mustaches and no sideburns. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:57 You know, cheering you on. Either way, it seemed to work out for Jermaine. He didn't get in trouble as a teenager. He's a blood, for Christ's sake. He's got a street name, yet he's winning police league championships. It's pretty awesome. So it's not bad. So he wins that.
Starting point is 00:24:12 He wins a national Golden Gloves title also. He's a middleweight at this point. He finishes second and third at the 1997 and 1998 United States states united states championships that's that year so not bad i mean second and third second and third so amateur wise in the country yeah in his win his division and his weight class in 1998 he wins a bronze medal at the goodwill games my christ now and it was an international competition so he goes from you know the police athletic league around the neighborhood to spreading out to the whole country now he's fighting the world now he's beating the shit out of foreigners good for you now he's beating people up and he doesn't even understand them
Starting point is 00:24:52 when they're saying when they're begging for mercy so good for him good for you buddy uh he uh the problem here at this point he wins that medal uh but there's a weird thing at this point here this is this is messed up uh after this in around 98 uh his grandmother who her grandmother's name by the way is gussie robinson so we know where that came from there you go somehow in all my research i missed the fact that his grandmother's name was gussie also that slid right past me but yeah uh his grandmother was his name was gussie rob. She was murdered by her son. Holy shit, his uncle. One of his uncles, yeah, who was a guy named Ahmed Algenius.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Ahmed Algenius, A-L-genius. He changed his name to that. Obviously, that's not his birth name. That's his Muslim name? That's like his Muslim name, but I don't know if al genius is a muslim name or if he just thought he was that's like his rap name or whatever the fuck but his original name is the farthest most standard name ever which makes it even better if his original name was like you know shabazz whatever shabazz mustafa washington or some shit you go all right whatever this guy's name though he should he gotta have some balls to change it to this like even cassius clay cassius clay has some has some something to
Starting point is 00:26:11 it it's got some spark i like that it's a cool ass name right then muhammad ali's a fucking cool ass name too but he's gave himself a cooler name is it cooler than cassius clay i'm not sure cassius clay sounds like a bad motherfucker that sounds like cool that sounds like a dude you wouldn't want to fight right cassius clay is gonna fuck you Clay sounds like a bad motherfucker. That's fucking cool. That sounds like a dude you wouldn't want to fight. Right. Cassius Clay is going to fuck you up. Be like, oh shit, Cassius Clay is fucking me up. I wish I would have thought about that.
Starting point is 00:26:29 I would have named my kid Cassius Clay Wissman. That's fucking cool. Cassius Clay Wissman. That is so fucking cool. That's really cool. It would look like hilarious as your tiny little white son swam up and down the swimming pool. Cassius Clay Wissman in the right lane. Be like, Cassius Clay Wissman. Cassius, what the fuck? down the swimming pool cash is clay whisman in the right lane be like cash is clay whisman
Starting point is 00:26:45 well this guy has some balls changing his name to ahmad al genius because his original birth name is joe samuel brown which has no flair whatsoever to it uh this guy had recently most fucking boring name on his name is joe is Joe Brown. That's why he changed it. That's basically John Doe. That's Black John Doe. Joe Brown. We have a John Doe and a Joe Brown. We found in a river.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Joe Brown is the Black John Doe. That's what it is. That's what I'm saying. It's totally that. That's the equivalent of it. That's hysterical. It's the absolute equivalent of it. I wish cops would do that. Yeah, that's what equivalent of it. That's hysterical. It's the absolute equivalent of it. I wish cops would do that.
Starting point is 00:27:27 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. John Doe and a Joe Brown. That's perfect. I don't know if it's the black John Doe. I want every goddamn corner in this country to pick a name. White people is John Doe. John Doe, I picture like lenny briscoe from law and order i picture like jerry arback with like that's like a john doe like a boy like an older white man
Starting point is 00:27:50 just an older white guy that you found dead on the street right whereas a joe brown that's a black dude i feel like i don't know maybe because it's just because brown is in there but i don't think so i think just because judge joe brown maybe that's in my head possibly but he's like an old yeah you know he's like you know one of those but i guarantee you look in any phone book in any city there's a shitload of joe brown yeah a lot of them and probably 70 of them are black probably yeah i would assume so probably black guys uh it's amazing it's it's interesting well uh this uh so sam Samuel Brown, Joe, Joe Brown here. John Doe. John Doe.
Starting point is 00:28:29 Black John Doe. Black John Doe. That sounds like an action movie, doesn't it? Black John Doe coming to theaters. Oh, fuck. They killed his family. They took his identity. Now he's Black John Doe and he's out for revenge where you at
Starting point is 00:28:46 motherfuckers where you at motherfuckers and they show kicking down doors having like a real liam neeson revenge fantasy kicking doors down with guns in his hand his catchphrase is where you at motherfucker where you at motherfucker so uh so his grandmother's killed by his uncle yeah which is a weird thing i would say here uh joe brown had just been released from prison after serving time for aggravated robbery and battery yeah so he was having issues and then he killed his mother he's a bad dude which cap it off killed the most important person that's supposed to be in your life i feel like that's an escalation when you go from aggravated this aggravated that too i'm gonna kill my mom fuck it i'm killing a woman a woman named gussie right i'm killing an elderly woman you know how many doilies gussie has in her
Starting point is 00:29:33 house her fucking house is half doily yeah it's just all she doesn't even have a couch it's just doily stacked on top of each other like cats in that one episode it's the same thing uh so at the funeral uh jermaine was there and he actually put the bronze medal in his grandmother's coffin yeah from the goodwill games yeah it was nice and it was stolen by uh orderlies obviously and i say joe brown i'm sure sold on ebay years later that's fucked up i'm sure i don't know if that happened oh okay usually i would i just assume whatever you put in a coffin someone's gonna steal i just imagine it's still in there no fuck no so somewhere somehow someone's got the 1998 bronze medal from the goodwill games out of his out of gussy's coffin jesus christ into a cinder block wall in a in a shit fucking apartment in new york city you know it is too he's like i
Starting point is 00:30:21 got that yeah see that from an old lady can't sell it it's too. He's like, I got that. Yeah, see that? From an old lady. Can't sell it. It's too easy traced. I'm the champion. Right. There's some guy going, I'm the champion. See? I got a medal. This says Jermaine Taylor. Your name is Carlos.
Starting point is 00:30:36 This is not like a- That's how you spell Jermaine in Spanish. It's okay. In 1999, he meets a woman here. He meets Erica. Now, Erica is from Wheatley, Arkansas. First thing I have to say about her, she's super tall. She is a tall drink of water, this girl.
Starting point is 00:30:56 She's tall. She's pretty. She's striking. She's smart. She's got a lot going for her, this Erica. And I don't know what the fuck she sees in this guy. I assume at this point, well and i don't know what the fuck she sees in this guy i assume at this point well no you know what at this point i can see what she sees in this guy because he's a young
Starting point is 00:31:09 guy with a lot of ambition yeah uh she's into sports she's a basketball player she does track and shit like that so he's an athlete it makes sense that they would match to this like the same height too they're both about six feet tall all right so it's uh that sort of thing here she came up in a very square family very good family uh she's uh one of seven children uh this erica and a family in arkansas that's religious and together jesus her parents were married for over 50 years wow so that's a it's a big thing so she comes from a very stick exact opposite yeah of she was never i don't she's had no street name never i don't think she's ever had a like a street tag that she spray painted on something i don't think she had an uncle that got her into the bloods right i don't think any of
Starting point is 00:31:54 that shit happened to her grandma's not murdered by an uncle probably not right yeah and if he if if he was murdered by an uncle his name would just be joe brown if that's it he wouldn't have been just out of prison for aggravated battery and kind of having a crazy situation here. She says, quote, about her family. There was always love, laughter and support at our house. We were always playing sports and cheering for one another. And Wheatley, which is the town, is the definition of what a community should be. Many of my relatives lived there and people kept up with what you were doing.
Starting point is 00:32:24 It takes a village. That's Wheatley. Wow. This kept up with what you were doing it takes a village that's wheatley wow so this is like what the fuck it takes a village and everyone's so supportive and we cheer each other on my parents married for 50 years you can't get a more opposite fucking outcome of a life then and it's weird because they end up in the same spot at this point they came from completely different places obviously so weird she's never carried her body cast ridden sister around after getting you know but credit to jermaine because how do you woo a woman like that that's the thing you know what i mean yeah good for him for him no he's got confidence in the box and gave him confidence he overcame a stuttering also there's a girl that i clearly shouldn't have i'm gonna chase her right and it's funny too later
Starting point is 00:33:05 on he becomes he's very articulate uh he's very well spoken and a lot of that might come from the fact that he was a stutterer so that made him think about his words more carefully and when he's he's a very considerate uh very mature he comes across very mature when he speaks always he always comes across like oh that's a very mature young man right like he doesn't seem like a 21 year old asshole you asshole who's out there boxing. A lot of times those guys just come across arrogant. Right, and stupid. And stupid.
Starting point is 00:33:31 Dumb as fuck. He comes off very respectful, like he was trained in a good manner, which I mean Mike Tyson did too back in the day. But he was forced to grow up very, very young. And a lot of times, like me, I was forced to grow up really, really young. Yeah, me too. And a lot of times I can sound like a well-spoken, smart individual. That's true.
Starting point is 00:33:49 But other times I just don't give a shit. Oh, yeah. But I don't know if, yeah, I don't know what his choices were. He's always trying to impress people because he's from such meager beginnings. And he's trying to, as we'll see here, he's trying to get on the Olympic team. Okay. So he's trying to be, he's being taught to be, this is what you need to be, how you need to act in the ring, out of the ring.
Starting point is 00:34:10 I'm on board. To be a part of it. And he's on board. Good for him embracing it. Yeah, he's embracing it. He's really trying to make a change. When Erica was 16, this is in 99, she went to Colorado Springs to try out for the women's Olympic basketball team.
Starting point is 00:34:25 And there, that's when she met. That's how they meet, is because he's trying. Because they're both there at the Olympic. It's kind of the Olympic training center in Colorado. At the Broadmoor, I think it is. They're both there. Yeah, so they're both there. So that makes sense.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Nobody else cares, but that's why I know. I was going to say, that's Colorado Springs. It has to be. So, yeah, they have similar goals. I mean, they're both trying to be in the damn Olympics. How often do you meet people who are actively trying to pursue the Olympics, just hanging out somewhere? I knew one dude in high school. At a bar.
Starting point is 00:34:54 And it was fucking weird when I knew that he wanted to do it. He wanted to go for cycling, and he'd show me pictures of him on inverted walls and stuff. I'm just like, you're a fucking weird kid. You're a nut. So, yeah well they meet uh he's a you know a up-and-comer and they're both from arkansas so that's the other thing they have in common they're both from arkansas they're both athletes they're both pursuing a high level uh commitment uh they they date on and off they start dating on and off in 99 and it's very on and off. They have their young kids. That's her choice. I really like you.
Starting point is 00:35:28 It comes in waves. When you're dating when you're 17, 18, 19 years old, a lot of times that happens. You go on and off. You just don't have that much time either. That's the other thing. She's going to school. She's trying to play ball.
Starting point is 00:35:40 The schedule's crazy. He's boxing, training. So I could see they're not being able to spend a lot of time together, that sort of thing here. Now, she plays basketball while attending. She goes to Louisiana Tech University and plays basketball there. So she does very well. She majored in English. And she enjoys analyzing poetry and writing.
Starting point is 00:35:59 This girl is so impressive. She's a very impressive young lady, this Erica. And maybe this is why he's well-spoken, because she's doing that kind of thing. Maybe he's learning from her. She's probably encouraging it, I would assume. This is how you want to act. And starting from a young age, that's very possible. I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:36:15 But he ends up making the 2000 Summer Olympic team, which is amazing. People train their whole lives to try to get a shot, and people don't come close to making the Olympics. Is this Sydney? This was Sydney, yeah. We've talked about Sydney Olympics plenty in the past. Listen to about 20 previous episodes that reference the 2000 Sydney Olympics. That Sydney Olympics had a lot of fuck-ups in it. A lot of fuck-ups.
Starting point is 00:36:36 A lot of people trying to make it that fucked up so bad they didn't even make it. A lot of Kelly Lanes in the situation where they're killing their babies rather than going to the olympics uh he makes the 2000s olympic teams the summer olympics in sydney uh he has four fights uh in round one he beats a guy from bulgaria named uh usagan because his was his first name uh or his last name the referee stopped the contest in round one uh in that one so jermaine knocked him silly good. Then he fights a Macintosh from Canada and beats him in the second round. And then he defeats a guy from Germany with fucking letters in his name that I don't recognize. They're A's with like, it looks like shining coming off them, like little beams of light coming off the top.
Starting point is 00:37:23 And there are several of those. coming off them like little beams of light coming off the top and there are several of those uh and the last letter of the name is capitalized which makes no fucking sense what do you do in germany so i don't think he's from there but either way jermaine beats him so good last letter is capitalized the last letter it is a with sparkly things shooting off of it, capital A, then lowercase a. So we're now A, shooty thing, then lowercase a, T, I, capital A with things shooting off the top of it. That's not a fucking name. That's not a name. That is not a name.
Starting point is 00:37:56 You made that shit up. So anyway, he beats him. Jermaine does, which is good because you fix your fucking name and then we'll talk about it. And then finally here in the final, in the semifinals, Jermaine loses to an Abramov from Kazakhstan of all places. He's beaten by a relative of Borat, which is fucking amazing. His sister was the number three prostitute in the entire village. Sorry. I couldn't help it. You can't help the Borat thing. It's not.
Starting point is 00:38:24 Fuck, I love Borat. My favorite it's not i love borat my favorite line from that is when borat goes my favorite style is dog style where men stand like this and dogs i love on the old leg show before the movie came out, the Borat sketches were fucking amazing. There's one where he goes around and hangs out with a guy who's running for Congress. And that is the greatest thing in the world. The guy's going door to door and Borat's like getting his back. At the one point, he says he will crush his enemies. It's the most funny thing.
Starting point is 00:39:02 He tells him he's going to be very powerful like Stalin. And the guy goes, I don't know about Stalin. Now, let's calm down. It's just the most funny thing. He tells him he's going to be very powerful like Stalin. The guy goes, I don't know about Stalin. Now let's calm down. It's so funny. But anyway, so Borat beats him here in the second round or in the fourth round. Hilarious. Which is funny. He's beaten by Borat.
Starting point is 00:39:15 And then that movie came out. And that came out. He's like a fucking Kazakhstan. Really? People now, they all know. Of all countries. God damn it. To pick.
Starting point is 00:39:22 But he still wins a bronze medal. Yeah. He's a goddamn olympic medalist which in this country that makes you royalty yeah that's an automatic paycheck for you if it's in a sport we give a fuck about boxing we do we care about boxing that's one of them if it's in like boxing or figure skating or one of the sports we care about not you know uh if you have decathlon what's the one where you ski and then shoot shit is that a decathlon is that cross-country biathlon i don't know something happens where you like ski for a while and then stop and try to shoot big foot or something i don't know what's good why why those
Starting point is 00:39:55 skill combinations how does hunting and and and makes no sense match up together you have to like stop skid out with the skis be be like out of breath, drop your poles, pick up a rifle and start shooting shit in the ass. What the fuck? That's the weirdest fucking thing. I've never heard of that.
Starting point is 00:40:09 It's the weirdest competition. Do they have to swim across the lake too? I think they do. Because if they do, then I'll watch. I think that's the Winter Olympics. Anyway, so he's an Olympic champion
Starting point is 00:40:17 or sort of an Olympic. He's got a medal. That's a champion, god damn it, as far as I'm concerned. He fought in the final. He's one of the top three amateur middleweights on the planet. Right. He's the third, goddammit, as far as I'm concerned. He fought in the final. He's one of the top three amateur middleweights on the planet. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:26 He's the third best, apparently, behind Borat. Says the Olympics. Says the Olympics. So December 14, 2000, another person also thinks this about him. It's Lou DiBella, who's a big boxing silver-haired middle-aged white man. who's a big boxing of course he's silver-haired middle-aged white man he is a he is a silver-haired middle-aged white man extraordinaire of the boxing industry here uh and he was with hbo too and he he was really finger fucking everything you could imagine in boxing uh he is a commentator too and yeah he does everything he he signs six different o boxers to contracts right after the 2000 Olympics.
Starting point is 00:41:07 This is in December of 2000. He does this. Olympic boxers are popular. They are. Think about all the Olympic boxers. Sugar Ray Leonard, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali. He was a goddamn Olympic. I mean, you're an Olympic boxer, and you do well.
Starting point is 00:41:19 People remember you. It's a big deal. He signs Ricardo Williams Jr., which I wouldn't sign him with that jr on there you know that's a problem uh he won a silver medal he also signs bronze medalist uh clarence vincent and of course jermaine and michael bennett and jose navarro he also signs another guy he signs is jerzen ravello who is a dominican boxer all the others are americans because they're more marketable and then i'm sure the Dominican guy, they're like, he can fight. We're going to get him. I don't give a shit if anybody
Starting point is 00:41:48 wants to watch him or not. He's going to whoop people's asses. The rest of them, people have already seen him on TV. Let's get him in here. Although they're all really good, especially Jermaine. He's an up-and-comer here. They appear in the KO Nation series on HBO, which
Starting point is 00:42:03 they used to have this show called KO Nation. I don't remember it. It was this kind of docu-series, kind of a show about up-and-coming boxers. It was just showing all these new boxers. It was a way they could promote their up-and-coming, because they would have a lot of boxing matches. So they'd say, hey, look at this guy,
Starting point is 00:42:20 try to get you interested in his story. Then you want to see him fight. It's like the 24-7 now. Is it HBO 24-7? They do boxing yeah where they stick with them and it doesn't matter two guys that don't speak english that you don't even know what's going on and you're like i gotta see these two fight each other holy shit this is interesting man wow he uh you know he grew up three villages over from him and he once stole the entire bean crop from his family we need to see this here like this is going to be interesting i wouldn't have known that backstory spanish hatfield mccoy yeah now i
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Starting point is 00:45:03 like uh you know in the back of a casino behind the dumpsters not in the casino you know like a 7-Eleven parking lot and then he fights in like a casino like you know in the back of a casino behind the dumpsters not in the casino you know in like a shitty like Oklahoma casino that had Sir Mix-a-Lot playing there the night before one of those things. We did have that. We did have that yeah it's exactly what we had right there. Where Sir Mix-a-Lot thinks this is a
Starting point is 00:45:19 great gig he's like everybody's nostalgic and everybody in the audience is just going isn't this fucking hysterical? Isn't this funny funny oh wow he has more than one song i thought he only had the one song wonderful uh in his pro debut at madison square garden he fights uh he fights a white guy named irish chris walsh that's super which sounds like the whitest boxer ever i wish you would have said a black guy named Irish Chris Walsh. Irish Chris Walsh sounds like he comes in the ring and tries to do the thing where he's like showing off his footwork and his punches and he trips over his own feet and falls down
Starting point is 00:45:52 through the ropes and gets up and goes, no, I'm all right. I'm all right. It's okay. And his trainer just goes, he's got a kid's got an iron jaw. Don't worry about him. He'll be fine. He's a bit clumsy. He's got an iron jaw.
Starting point is 00:46:03 And it's Irish Chris Walsh. He can take a punch. He can take a punch right in the jaw look at him you don't even know his mother drank so much when he was in the womb i thought you were gonna take talk about how many punches she could say no no no that's another story his father let me tell you something about that but that's a different story his father and mother but his mother the fetal alcohol syndrome that he had as a child it was so bad it made him strong yeah like a zombie like a mutant warrior and here he is irish chris walsh ready to take a punch uh he is a career 19 seven and one fighter that's his record he's from scranton so i mean all hope was dead before the bell ever rang for this fucking guy right away he's fucked pcp baby's going down he's going down here uh jermaine beats him by tko in round four of four it's a four round fight in the beginning here 16 seconds into the round wow
Starting point is 00:46:57 uh it's around four so makes sort of quick work of irish but a lot of times you'll see with these uh with these olympic guys they're not big like knockout artists when they first start their career because they're they're trained on this point system for so long and just get the points get the stamina up and yeah just get your points get your points in and hit so a lot of times they have to learn to become knockout artists and that sort of thing but he has a lot of fights stopped just of overwhelming he's very technically sound taylor uh he's very strong really good jab guys with good jabs over the course of a fight when people's defenses start to lower things like that a guy with a good jab will end up winning in the end that's so many fighters like that not
Starting point is 00:47:36 just points but it he'll hurt you that jab stings it stings and it sets up bigger punches so you're you're getting lazy lowering your guard a little. He stings you with that jab. You get a stunner and then you get a fucking... There's a big right hand behind it and you didn't even notice it coming and you're on your ass at that point. Or a combination of three or four of those. That'll wobble your balance. And that's what Taylor does.
Starting point is 00:47:57 He's a punches and bunches kind of guy. Comes in, combinations, works off the jab. Fires that jab off and then he'll pop you three times off the jab it's it's his whole deal going from left to right great strategy he's yeah that'll win fight that's a really good professional yeah that's a well he's a well-trained guy uh april 7th 2001 here so a couple months later uh he fights second fight is at the mgm grand in vegas how did he get so lucky because he hooked hooked up with Lou DiBella and HBO. Yeah, that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:48:26 So he's right away, they're putting him on undercards in big fights. I mean, right off the bat, he gets to play like he's a comic. Gets to play the big arena. He gets to play all the big rooms, Jimmy. All the big rooms. This is versus Kenny.
Starting point is 00:48:39 This guy's name is Kenny the Jake Stubbs. The Jake. The Jake is his nickname. Kenny the Jake. What's a Jake? Beats the shit out of me. is Kenny the Jake Stubbs. The Jake. The Jake is his nickname. Kenny the Jake. What's a Jake? Beats the shit out of me. You're the Jake. And Kenny Stubbs doesn't sound any either of those things.
Starting point is 00:48:54 Kenny Stubbs sounds like Irish Chris Taylor's sparring partner, doesn't it? Like they fight together. Or a barbecue joint. Or a barbecue joint. Kenny Stubbs. Come on into Kenny Stubbs. The finest barbecue sauce. Best brisket you'll Stubbs. Come on into Kenny Stubbs. The finest barbecue sauce. Best brisket you'll ever have.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Best brisket you will ever have. I'll tell you what. It's going to be wonderful. So he is a, the Jake is a nine and eight career fighter. He loses the last six fights of his career. Oh boy. So he started out nine and two. It all looked promising.
Starting point is 00:49:23 And then it went right in the shitter. And this fight was the third of his six career-ending losses. Jermaine wins by TKO at 2 minutes and 28 seconds of round two of four. That makes him 2-0, Jermaine. Great. Right after this fight, he has a child. Oh, boy. Not with Erica.
Starting point is 00:49:41 No. He has a child with another woman in one of their split-up periods. He has a son, Jermaine Jr. You bet he does. You bet your ass it's Jermaine Jr. Come on, boy. Not with Erica. No. He has a child with another woman in one of their split-up periods. He has a son, Jermaine Jr. You bet he does. You bet your ass it's Jermaine Jr. Come on, Jimmy. He's done everything right so far. Sleek Christ.
Starting point is 00:49:52 He's got to start fucking up and breaking rules at some point, and now is the perfect time. Had the kid, as if that's not a mistake enough. Jermaine Jr. You bet. Yep. And then he gets back with Erica also, So it's an interesting personal life here. But May 8th, the very next month, a month and a day later after his last fight, he fights at the IC Light Amphitheater in Poughkeepsie.
Starting point is 00:50:16 That's where I'm from. From Pittsburgh. Okay. In Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He fights Antonio Shakenbake Baker. My Christ. So I would think, though, he wants that to be Antonio Shaken Baker, I'm thinking, probably. You don't double the bake on that, sir.
Starting point is 00:50:31 No, that's a lot of bacon. That's too much bacon. Too much bacon. You're going to dry it all out. Dry that shit all out. He shooken baked, shooken booked? Shooken booked. Shooken booked.
Starting point is 00:50:41 He shaked and baked his way to a 7-13-1 career record. That's not great. Not terrific. His pictures, he really looks like he wants to fight, though. When you see his pictures, this guy, he went all in for the photo shoot. He brought props. He's got a hat on. That's what he did.
Starting point is 00:50:56 He just hired a great headshot artist. That's it. That's very much like comedy. Yeah, exactly. Same thing. He's got a website. How much mic cords does it take to get tangled up in? That's what I want. He's got business same thing he's got a website how much mic cords it take to get tangled up in that's what i want he's got business cards he's got a website
Starting point is 00:51:09 check out my youtube channel with three jokes from an open mic set with no one there 713 and one is essentially an open mic that's an open mic somehow this fight goes all four rounds goes the distance i don't know how this guy lasted with him. Jermaine wins a unanimous decision. He outclassed him the whole time, but the guy apparently had a tough chin, and he hung in there. This brings Jermaine to 3-0. Next fight is on June 23, 2001, so the very next month. Keep track of the brain damage later.
Starting point is 00:51:39 And this is another guy where we can pinpoint certain fights that fuck them up, where they're not the same person after a long battle they'll have a war a 12 round war with somebody and then all of the sudden they're pulling guns on on nuns in a parking lot for no reason it's one of those things like he was doing charity work yesterday today he is you know threatening that person he's kicking the door down of adoption agencies and saying, give me all your records. I'm going to burn them. And they're like, why?
Starting point is 00:52:06 I don't fucking know. I'm just angry. Like shit like this. Just fought 12 rounds and I don't know my name. I don't know. I just pissed my pants. Give me the record. Something.
Starting point is 00:52:15 He fights Marvin Smith, another nondescript guy here. He fights Marvin Smith this day. He has an eight, seven, and 1 career record. So, I mean, these are not your luminaries of the sport. These are your tomato cans you line up. A good trainer lines up and their manager lines up for their guy to knock out and show what they got. This guy ended his career with four straight losses, and this was the first of those four. So this was the downhill slide.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Jermaine wins again, a unanimous decision. My man. Goes all four rounds again. Now, this is, by the way, no linkers so far. Right. All non-linkers so far. He is, there's a lot of non-linkers he's going to fight. How embarrassing would it be to be a boxer that has a nickname when you're a non-linker?
Starting point is 00:53:00 You're a non-linker. That's fucked up. Hey, you know what? Don't be embarrassed. You jumped the gun on your nickname, sir. I'm a non-linker and so are you, so it's fine. But I don't have a nickname. No, we have no nicknames whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Assholes, that's our nickname. Jimmy the Asshole. Jimmy the Asshole and James the Asshole doesn't quite go quite the same way. August 11th, 2001, Jermaine comes in 4-0 to this fight. It's at the Altel Arena in Little Rock. All right. There's a big arena down there Again, this must be a big deal for him
Starting point is 00:53:28 Altel, who would it be? Like the Razorbacks? It's probably their basketball team, I would imagine I don't know what other team would Who the fuck do they have? What else could make 10,000 Arkansasians gather? You know? What other sporting team could do that?
Starting point is 00:53:44 A pig slaughter or something? Oh boy team could do that a pig slaughter something oh boy it's a big pig slaughter 11 000 it's sold out get your tickets early so uh uh this night this is a big homecoming for him he's an olympic champion he's now we fought in madison square garden and mgm and now he gets to come home and show off walmart family reunion it's a walmart family reunion everybody 11 000 people in the camping, everybody. 11,000 people. In the camping aisle. Everybody be there. Right by the propane tanks.
Starting point is 00:54:10 He fights Efrain Garcia, who is a 17-6-1 career fighter. That's good. That's not bad. This guy's a decent fighter. Jermaine wins by TKO in the fifth round of six rounds. Yeah, he stops him. Goes another five. Yeah, it stops him. Goes another five. Yeah, it's a minute 25 into that.
Starting point is 00:54:27 This brings Jermaine to 5-0. Then November 2, 2001, this is at the Foxwoods Resort Casino in Connecticut. All these big venues. He's getting the good ones. No 7-Eleven parking lots. So this means you would assume that this is good paychecks, too. Decent, yeah. I mean, he's on the undercard, but still's still good money he's not he's not he's not starving no put it that way
Starting point is 00:54:49 he's not making a fortune he's making a couple hundred grand to fight yeah i mean he's doing okay this is a 50 bucks a set no no this is yeah this is not this is not open mic boxing he's he's not doing the 7-eleven parking lot he's doing major arenas with with good things here this is the avenue you want to do if you want to fight yeah you gotta go to the olympics you write you write your ticket if you go to the olympics you can totally do that uh november 2nd 2001 he's at foxwoods like i said he fights dave the hammer hamilton another very creative name he is a 15 12 and 2 career fighter so another journeyman uh jermaine wins by TKO at 1.54, a minute 54 seconds of round two.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Brings him to 6-0. Same month now, three weeks later, November 23, 2001. And, I mean, that only went a round and a half, but still, that's close. It's that first round that gets you, though. Well, yeah. The first one, you come out swinging, usually. I mean, sometimes it's rare. You never know. But a lot of times, you come out swinging usually. I mean, sometimes it's rare. They're feeling each other out.
Starting point is 00:55:45 You never know. But a lot of times they come out just fucking. He's pretty aggressive, too, as he gets. Really? Some of the fighters, lesser fighters than him, he's pretty aggressive. He's like, yeah, this guy's not in my league. And you can tell he's a little more confident getting in there. Whereas he's a little more careful later on with some of the bigger fighters he fights, as we'll talk about.
Starting point is 00:56:03 This is at the Roseland Ballroom in New York City. This is pretty interesting because this venue is kind of important because we've talked about it before. We've talked about it a week later, actually, very often. Got really into it one time. He fights Undra White tonight, who is a 24-12 career fighter. This is his third-to-last fight, so he's kind of dying here. Well, his career is, anyway. Jermaine wins by TKO at 17 seconds into the fourth round of six rounds.
Starting point is 00:56:34 This brings him to 7-0. None of that's interesting. The interesting part is the very next week, on November 30th, at the Roseland Ballroom, because this was the weekly fight cards they had there, James Butler attacked his opponent and knocked him out after the fight. November 30th at the Roseland Ballroom. This was the weekly fight cards they had there. James Butler attacked his opponent and knocked him out after the fight. Remember that? James the Hammer Butler, who he did. He viciously, savagely attacked a guy who had no idea was coming.
Starting point is 00:56:55 That's assault. And it was assault. And that happened the very next week. Broke his jaw? Yeah, yeah. Orbital socket. Fucked him up. I mean, he sucker punched him without his gloves on. You can't do that. Awful. Awful. March 15 Yeah, yeah. Orbital socket. Fuck him up. I mean, he sucker punched him without his gloves on.
Starting point is 00:57:05 You can't do that. Awful. March 15, 2002. So at least he has a couple few months off here. He has three, four months off. This is the worst venue he's been in so far. It is the Creek Nation Bingo in Tulsa. Oh my God. That sounds like a terrible
Starting point is 00:57:21 little casino. Dusty off the side of the highway. Yeah. That's not anywhere near where people live. Smoke eater fans and shit like that. Yeah, people in oxygen tanks smoking. Oh, fuck. Smoking through holes in their throats.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Bingo Hall. Bingo, yeah. Creek Nation Bingo in Tulsa. He fights Ron Carnell, who's a three and seven career fighter, and belongs fighting in bingo calls in Tulsa. That guy's in the right spot. I would say so. This guy started his career 3-1, looked promising,
Starting point is 00:57:51 then lost his last six fights. This is one of them. Jermaine wins by TKO in the third round at 16 seconds, bringing him to 8-0. Very next month, he gets right back into it. April 27 27 2002 at madison square garden again back there back in back he's like i've seen tulsa and i'm happy to be back here let me tell you he fights joe garcia who is a 21 7 and 5 career fighter uh he tkos
Starting point is 00:58:18 cars garcia in round six of eight so he's cruising he's nine and oh now and as you eight. So he's cruising. He's 9-0 now. And as you can see here, he's having not a lot of trouble with anybody. June 15, 2002, at the Mikosuke Resort and Gaming in Miami, Florida. Yes, that's exactly where I assumed it would be. Of course. Mikosuke? Mikosuke is what it's called here. Mikosuke.
Starting point is 00:58:41 I think it's Mikosuke. Yeah, it's probably Mikosuke. It's what it is here. He fights Grady Bad Boy Brewer. He's a linker. All right. Hey, link. That's his first linker.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Finally, somebody with a nickname gets a link. Finally, someone I didn't have to thoroughly investigate to find out who the fuck he was and how many times he's fought. Archives of boxing history. Jesus Christ. Grady Brewer. That sounds like a... It's awful. It sounds like his nickname should be Dinty Moore.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Grady Dinty Moore Brewer. Grady Beef Stew. Dinty Moore Brewer in the corner. He's wearing like a homeless man's overcoat that he takes off instead of a robe. He fights other hobos down at the railroad tracks.
Starting point is 00:59:26 A puff of dust. Yeah. Rail car dust comes off his jacket. Please fix his Wikipedia page to read that he's a rail yard hobo. I beg of you all, somebody do that. Grady, also known as Dinty Moore Brewer, he honed his fighting skills down at the tracks,
Starting point is 00:59:48 fighting hobos for their bindle. The worst stew that ever happened. Oh, man. I'll eat the shit out of that, though. Really? Oh, yeah. I don't care. I haven't had it in a long time, but I'll still eat it.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I don't give a shit. I did the eat it or wear it challenge with my daughter, and I got that, I got anchovovies i got two cans of dog food and the the beef stew was the one my daughter was grossed out that's hilarious that's awesome uh this fight this fighter by old dinty moore here is a 32 and 20 career fighter he's a journeyman this guy knows how to fight this fight goes all eight uh all eight rounds as these guys kind of know how to hang in there and uh these journeymen germermaine charged up on dinty more he's got a stomach full of dinty more he's like i'm gonna fight him till the dinty more wears off at least till i stop
Starting point is 01:00:35 feeling it in my belly that's when i know the fight's over and i can go down uh so uh this fight like i said all eight this is jermaine outclassed him the whole time yeah he was obviously a better fighter it's a unanimous decision for Jermaine he's now 10 and 0 August 17 2002 at the uh at Tess Arena in Atlantic City he fights Sam Sam Hill is his name which every article about the fight what the Sam Hill really oh god how could they hacky fucks who in the sam hill is this guy what in the sam hill's going on nobody could resist it you think one journalist would go i'm not going to be the only one that i can't just keep someone else is going to say that right it's like a comic who just takes the for yeah no one no one's gonna think of that premise before me everybody people love so stupid people love going to that does anybody ever said sam hill do you say
Starting point is 01:01:32 has anybody ever done that in the sam hill why would you ask me that stop it why would you wonder why he came a boxer he just got tired of shit he's like i'm gonna start punching people and i'm gonna learn how to do it correctly. He is known as the punching policeman, Sam Hill. Oh, my God. Because he used to be a policeman. He's a big old white dude. He's a 17, 15, and 1 career record. So he's just a big unskilled punching bag, basically.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Goes all 10 rounds this fight. Oh, my God. You don't hang in there with the punching policeman for 10 rounds. And his management is disappointed about that. Sure. He's disappointed about that. He didn't show. He was supposed to go in there and knock this big mook on his ass and he doesn't so that's a problem uh unanimous decision for taylor i mean obviously outclasses the guy but he never just goes in and puts him away uh this brings him to 11 and 0 lou asked him several times
Starting point is 01:02:19 what in the sam hill happened what in the sam hill's going on out there between rounds he's like come on lou jesus christ uh jermaine said quote i didn't take him out uh but i beat the heck out of him is what he said about it but he was disappointed uh because he that he couldn't knock out a st louis police officer which you should be able to knock out if you're a professional boxer apparently the cops come tough in st louis uh november 9th 2002 at the Mountaineer Casino Racetrack and Resort. Racetrack 2. And Resort. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:51 In Chester, West Virginia. They just threw everything out there. I was surprised they didn't throw ice cream parlor on there also. What do people like? Casinos? Right. They like racetracks. They sure do.
Starting point is 01:03:00 They like to relax at a resort. They like ice cream. We could do that. It's so stupid. And Golden Corral. Do we have a night lounge here too? We can throw on that. We can make that a bowling alley.
Starting point is 01:03:10 We got bowling. Let's throw that in there. We got it all. There's a goddamn day spa in here. Put that shit on there. And karaoke. That'll sell it. Western.
Starting point is 01:03:21 That'll get the old white people and asians to mix that's gonna get them to bring their their oxygen tanks in with their chop suey and they're all gonna get together and put something together it's gonna be beautiful they're gonna have so much kid rock sung in here oh baby they're gonna give us all their money every night featuring songs from Greece. That's all it is. Duets. That's all it is. Couples singing summer love. Couples singing.
Starting point is 01:03:49 Assholes. I hate those people. Stop doing that. Couples singing. Stop showing up to karaoke singing picture from Kid Rock and Greece songs. Knock it off. Don't sing anything. You're not original.
Starting point is 01:04:00 No. No, not at all. No. Maybe like a battle rap you should do together where you're squaring off against each other. Off the top of your head. Yeah. Don't even pick something you know. Do Meth First Chef off the Method Man, a T'Kal album.
Starting point is 01:04:16 I like it. Do that together. That would be nice. So this is, he fights Johnny Rivera this night. He's a 13-7-1 career record. It's kind of, all these guys have the same kind of record. He's from Puerto Rico, this guy. It's the second-to-last fight of his career because he is knocked out,
Starting point is 01:04:34 or there's a TKO. The fight stopped at 2 minutes and 23 seconds of round 4 of 10. This brings Jermaine to 12-0, and he keeps going December 20, 2002, at the Creek Nation Gaming Center in Tulsa. That sounds racist. It does, really. Creek Nation Gaming Center.
Starting point is 01:04:51 Sounds like they're trying to lure Indians in so they can fucking push them into shittier land. Something of that nature. He fights Keith Pretty Boy Sims, who I saw his picture, and he's not very pretty. No. To be honest with you. They rarely are. Shocking. Shocking. He's 25 his picture, and he's not very pretty. No. To be honest with you. They rarely are. Shocking. Shocking.
Starting point is 01:05:06 He's 25, 14, and one career record. I wonder if that's like boxing has like opposite nicknames, like wrestling. Wrestling had guys that were like Pretty Boy and, you know, stunning and ravishing. Well, ravishing, Rick Rude was like a handsome dude. He was big and sexy. Yeah, yeah, but they had like- I saw that son of a bitch in a Blockbuster video. I saw him out in-
Starting point is 01:05:23 Handsome as fuck. He lives in, he's a Phoenix guy. Well, he's well he's a big fucking handsome dude with like long hair and shit he's a cool looking dude motherfucker's hair is long and sweaty when he's looking for the the newest releases too i'm talking about like beautiful bobby eaton back in the day who was like this fat lumpy southern guy with a mullet and he was beautiful bobby great wrestler but fucking a not beautiful at all sorry bobby uh so keith pretty boy sims is a 25 14 and one career fighter this is a 10 round fight uh jermaine gets a tko in round one this time now we're talking 52 seconds in wow not fucking around that's fast that was i think enough of this bullshit this is all stemming
Starting point is 01:06:04 from the sam hill fight where they told him you got to get more aggressive and knock people out. What in the Sam Hill are you doing, asshole? So he goes to 13-0 after that fight. January 30, 2003 at the American Airlines Arena in Miami, which is better than the Mikosuke Gaming, whatever the shit that was. He fights Lionel Ortiz, who is a 22 9 and 1 career fighter this is the last fight of his career yeah he lost the last four fights of his career american airlines lost his career they lost his they lost my luggage in this guy's fucking career see what happens with american airlines you lose it at least they didn't start a fucking applause
Starting point is 01:06:41 break while i was sleeping. Southwest, fuck you. I get that you guys want to be festive and you guys want to be fun. But when I'm sleeping and I finally fall asleep and I've been working and I haven't slept at all. And then you decide just because it's some asshole's 40th wedding anniversary, good for them and all, that we're going to have a fucking applause break on the plane that wakes me up. Oh, goddamn. I woke up to applause and I'm like, what's happening? What's going on sarah's like it's somebody's 40th wedding anniversary i'm like why the fuck does that
Starting point is 01:07:09 mean i have to wake up that has nothing to do with me i want to sleep through that shit i had such an easy flight no i didn't not at all uh so this is a tko at 40 seconds of round two uh so again he's getting more aggressive. 14-0 now. Why does everything bad happen to you? I have no idea. I wish I fucking knew. I don't understand it. I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:07:34 I don't try to invite it. I try to just go along and do my best, and shit falls on my ass. I show up to Boston Logan, and I'm like, you ready to go? You're like, they don't have my bag. I'm like, mine's right here. It's every time. I swear to Christ. It's a fucking punching bag.
Starting point is 01:07:49 How was your flight? The entire flight was full. There was one seat empty right fucking next to me. Yeah, yeah. Whereas I would get, there's only one full row and it's mine. Everywhere else is, the flight is fucking a third full. Everybody's comfortable except James. A third full and i
Starting point is 01:08:06 have yokozuna sitting next to me that would be the fucking how it would work here every goddamn time here and i go have dinner lovely dinner yeah even a listener came and had dinner with me and i get here and james like worst dinner ever shit dinner very expensive and i end up having a street pretzel afterwards as my actual dinner so yeah i can't fucking win so uh uh march 31st 2003 uh his uh jermaine's life is going better than mine is at this point for him uh he fights at the state house convention center in little rock which doesn't sound wonderful he fights marcos the terminator primera how does that fucking work i don't know you don't get to just steal the movie title he did and i'm jimmy the eraser wisman that's it are you picking shit are we picking arnold james the lawnmower man petra gallo how about that just pick anything
Starting point is 01:08:59 out of your ass stupid movie from the 80s it works out It works out. It works out. He fights this guy. This guy's a very interesting cat, the Terminator here. He's got some kind of swagger. He is 20, 36, and 3 career. Holy shit. His last 28 fights, he went 1, 26, and 1. Why do you keep going? Why do you fucking keep fighting?
Starting point is 01:09:23 1, 26, and 1? What the fuck? That's not good good that's not okay no those that one win and that one draw must have came at just at the right time to keep his if it doesn't work this week i'm retiring right and then he won he's like all right 10 more weeks 13 losses he gets a win oh my god stick it i'll stick it out another 13 weeks. 1-26-1. This is a TKO in round five at two minutes and 12 seconds. That brings Jermaine to 15-0. It's at this point he's starting to get a little more kind of fame, kind of outward fame. He's been on HBO sometimes. He appears on the cover of Everlast boxing equipment catalogs.
Starting point is 01:10:01 How about that? He's the model guy. He's up there in the front. He's also going to get some GQ work later on. Wow. Yeah, he's the model guy he's up there in the front he's also going to get some gq work later on wow yeah he's gonna he's gonna get some modeling work uh he's like he's a pretty he's like a sharp looking dude he's a sharp looking guy uh it becomes people start to know who he is now there's a big piece on him at this point uh they they show that uh you know he's a celebrity they're talking about how he's got a 15 and 0 record and he's olympic hero and he's a celebrity. They're talking about how he's got a 15-0 record,
Starting point is 01:10:26 and he's an Olympic hero, and he's a celebrity in Arkansas. His trainer at this time, Pat Burns, says, quote, Everybody knows him. The way Oscar De La Hoya is treated in L.A., that's the way Jermaine is in Little Rock. Wow. So that's what it is. Yeah, he's a blood.
Starting point is 01:10:40 I mean, he's from the fucking hood. People relate to this guy, and they like him. Weird thing is they spend an inordinate amount of time in this article talking about how it's weird that he likes country music. No, it's not. It's not that weird. He's from Arkansas. But they make a huge deal out of the fact that he loves country music. They talk about at the time his favorite is Daryl Worley at the time.
Starting point is 01:11:04 Oh, I like Daryl Worley. Have You Forgotten was his favorite uh his favorite is daryl worley at the time i like daryl is uh have you forgotten it was his favorite song uh he talks about some lyric i don't know what the fuck he says about it quote it's a heck of a song man listen to it is what taylor says don't listen to it because it's about 9-11 that's all it's about that's what they said uh de bella lou de bella said quote he's an african-american kid who probably listens to more country western than rap he's more of a country boy and he's proud of that why is it why does that even need to be mentioned i don't understand what the there's a black rapper in country music for fuck's sake yeah they're like it's so weird isn't it it's not weird at all have you been to texas motherfucker there's a lot of black dudes down there that love country music
Starting point is 01:11:42 what darius rucker is a country singing motherfucker. He says, quote, Burns says, quote, it's funny. We go into a gym here, which is mostly black and Latin fighters, and Jermaine has all the guys in there listening to country music. Is it funny? Jesus Christ. If he shows up in the ring in cowboy boots and a cowboy hat, that's weird. That's hilarious.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Well, he does make an appearance in a cowboy hat. fucking funny i will say he's does that's interesting he does some weird shit later he when he loses his fucking mind it is hilarious so that guy's dressing cowboy gear though it is fucking impressive fucking funny i gotta say it's hysterical like that but it's impressive i like when mexican dudes do the all out like pointy boots with like this fucking silver on them and the giant intercontinental title belt buckle. It's funnier with them because they're so little that you don't picture them getting onto a horse. Because they're usually like, yeah, it's usually like very, this is coming off very racist, but we don't mean it like that. If you live in Phoenix, you know what we're talking about.
Starting point is 01:12:41 It's very unassuming Spanish fellas that you don't see. You don't see him getting on a horse he's like a big beer gun he's got a tight cowboy shirt on with a giant belt buckle pants are so tight he can't walk in and pointy silver tipped cowboy boots and back in the day he'd be going to see the delahoya fight which is a big knife out for them i work to see a black guy six foot or bigger in cowboy shit you're like that's just fucking incredible funny that's just carl malone and it's hilarious yeah or riddick bow in that uh fresh prince of bel-air episode it's fucking impressive about here uh he talks about his next fight is with a guy named nicholas uh cervera uh taylor says of him quote he comes he comes to fight cervera's got a good right to
Starting point is 01:13:24 him i'm working on staying away from him and using my jab okay uh de bella said that quote, he comes to fight. Cervera's got a good right to him. I'm working on staying away from him and using my jab. DiBella said that, quote, he's ready to turn the corner about Jermaine. He's ready to get up with the top middleweights. He's fighting like a real middleweight fighter here. This is big. So this is kind of they're saying, okay, 15-0, and now we're going to step it up. Now that was just to get you ready. Seems like that's always a warm-up.
Starting point is 01:13:44 That's your warm-up. Get you going. So you're an okay challenger that a commission will put you in a fight and that people might want to see. He's fought at Madison Square Garden. Multiple times. Twice. He's fought at MGM Grand, for Christ's sake. Good God.
Starting point is 01:14:00 Yeah, so. As a warm-up, James. As a warm-up. And this fight's going to be on HBO. Yeah. And he says, Taylor says, quote, HBO, that's the king ofup, James. As a warm-up. And this fight's going to be on HBO. And Taylor says, quote, HBO, that's the king of boxing, baby. Everybody watches that. So if you look bad, you look bad. I know I'm a great boxer.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Saturday I'm going to go out and try to do my best. So he says, I'm a great boxer, but I'm going to go out and try to do my best. Because he knows what to say. No stutter. No stutter. He said that clear as day. And every one of his interviews are clear as day and very well-spoken, intelligent dude. He beat it.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Yeah. And he beat a lot of things, including people. He'll beat more people later, as we'll talk about, both in and out of the ring. May 17, 2003 is this fight against Nicholas Cervera. It's at the Peterson Event Center in Pittsburgh. Cervera is a 35-5-1 career fighter. Not fucking around. That's a real fighter here.
Starting point is 01:14:49 This is his second-to-last fight, though. You put him in with a bunch of tomato cans and Sam Hills and cops who are doing this shit on the side, and now you put it with a really good fighter who's in the shitter of his career, but he's still a skilled guy, so you see what this guy could do now.
Starting point is 01:15:06 This, Jermaine wins by TKO in round four at two minutes and 37 seconds. Wow. So not bad. This brings him to 16-0, and that impressed everybody greatly. But he could do that. August 8, 2003, All-Tel Arena in Little Rock again. This is for a championship. This is for a goddamn belt.
Starting point is 01:15:22 This is for the vacant WBC Continental America's middleweight title, which we all as children have just aspired to. I know I did. I want it. I dreamed of it as a child. Today I want it. I want it bad. I have no championship of anything. I drew pictures of myself wearing the WBC Continental America's middleweight title.
Starting point is 01:15:41 That's what it was, man. It's really what it was. He fights Alfredo Cuevas, who is a 26-10-1 career fighter. This fight goes all 12 rounds. Oh, my God. All 12. But it's a war. I mean, they beat the shit out of each other.
Starting point is 01:15:55 Jermaine is the classier fighter in the whole thing. He wins by unanimous decision. Okay. He goes to 17-0, and now he's the champion, or a champion. There's like four belts. With zero losses. Zero losses, and he's only fought one linker to get there. Wow.
Starting point is 01:16:08 And that's Dinty Moore. That was the linker. The guy was belly full of beef stew. The belly full of beef stew fighting other hobos down by the tracks. For the bindle reward. That's what it is. It's a bindle-off, man. Who's going to get the bindle?
Starting point is 01:16:22 Right. It's Bindle Mania 2000. At the end of it, we bindle all the who's gonna get the bindle right at the end it's bindle mania 2000 at the end of it we bindle all the bindles together and you get one big bindle the winner gets it all winner takes all it's got like four cans of uh dinty more some pork and beans is in there a lot of good stuff in there it's it's the worst price is right grand prize ever so liquid diarrhea and a checkered satchel so a little over two weeks after this fight uh when he's become the champ he decides on august 25th 2003 things are going well gotta get married okay obviously why not he marries a great girl though he marries erica so smart fucking move there he married a wonderful woman here uh they get married on august 25th 2003 they will end up having three daughters and a son together oh boy
Starting point is 01:17:10 and also jermaine jr lives with them too uh and she calls jermaine jr like her own son and she says he calls him her bonus son oh that's nice she treats him yeah this she's a really great woman she ends up being a third grade teacher and writes children's books and shit. We'll talk about her. She's phenomenal. His daughters are Nia, Jay, and Layla, and Tyra, and his son, Jace, he's got. You think Layla came after Ali? Probably, I'm going to say.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Yeah, he was like, this is some good shit. We can make this happen. Let's make it work. November 8th 8 2003 at the mandalay bay event center so vegas again big fight he fights uh rogelio the golden warrior martinez which jesus somebody somebody came up with that and the golden warrior put that on the back of a robe and he's like well now it's on the back of a robe i paid for that i gotta be the golden warrior forever you're paying by the letter to get that shit stitched on the golden warrior a long nickname to pay for that's an expensive stitching especially
Starting point is 01:18:10 for only fighting in 19 career fights yeah 13 why waste the stitches 13 5 and 1 career fighter this is the last fight of his career jermaine retires him with a tko uh at 142 of round 7 brings his career ended his careerings him to 18-0. January 9, 2004, the Mohegan Sun again. Casino, he fights Alex Rios. He is a 23-5-1 career fighter. Again, good fighter. This is the last fight of his career.
Starting point is 01:18:38 Wow. So now we went from the never has, never will be's to like the has been over with's. And then we're going to get to the, you know, prime. The now's. The now's coming up here. This is a TKO at 54 seconds of round one for Jermaine. Brings him to 19 and 0. So now he's starting to look like, okay, we got to get some big fights up for this guy.
Starting point is 01:18:58 March 27, 2004 at the All-Tel Arena in Little Rock. He fights Alex, the technician at Bunema. Because he's actually a tech. The technician. He's actually just, yeah, that's what he is. He installs cable systems. So they're like, I'm the technician. And they're like, I don't think that,
Starting point is 01:19:14 well, I guess that fits for boxing, too. That's fine. He's like, no, no. He's handing out his card. He's like, DirecTV, I do. Very low install. I'll wire three rooms for the price of one. You got brick walls?
Starting point is 01:19:24 I'll go right through that shit. I don't care. I will get cords low in stuff. I'll wire three rooms for the price of one. You got brick walls? I'll go right through that shit. I don't care. I will get cords in your house. You will have fucking TV on my watch. God damn it. So he is from the Congo, this guy. Holy shit. From the actual Congo.
Starting point is 01:19:36 This guy's seen some shit. Yeah. From the, yeah, the, oof, man. It's a dangerous place. I would say so. He's a 31-10-2 career fighter. You can't hurt him no he's already dead this fucking guy forget about it uh this is a tko in round seven at two minutes and 17 seconds
Starting point is 01:19:53 another victory for jermaine bringing him to 20 and oh right uh june 19th 2004 at the home depot center in carson california which that's not wonderful. No. He fights Raul El Diamante Marquez, who is a linker. Raul Marquez is a linker. He's actually a good fighter. The diamond, right? El Diamante is the diamond? Yeah, I think so. I don't speak Spanish, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:20:15 I'm just going with Diamante. It looks like diamond. It looks like diamond. He's a linker, though, so woo-hoo. Yay, let's get all excited about that. He's a 41 wins, four woo yay let's get all excited about that he's a 41 for uh 41 wins four losses and one draw wow he's a bad motherfucker marquez he can fight uh jermaine wins this fight when marquez cannot come out for the 10th round uh he can't come out for the 10th
Starting point is 01:20:38 can't continue and it's they call it for jermaine tko and uh that is a 21-0. Next thing. Was that a 12-round fight? That was a 10-round. It was a 12-round fight. Yeah, he left in the 10th. He couldn't come out for the 10th. It went nine whole rounds. December 4th, 2004 at the Barton Coliseum in Little Rock, he fights William Joppy, who's another linker and a really good fighter, William Joppy. He's a 40-win, 7-loss, 2-career draws here.
Starting point is 01:21:03 He's a linker also. God forbid. Got to have that. This's a linker also. God forbid. Got to have that. This fight goes all 12 rounds. Oh, boy. So he goes all 12 with a good fighter who's in the prime of his career. And Jermaine wins a unanimous decision. Right after a 9 round with a great fight.
Starting point is 01:21:17 Yeah. It's six months, but still. It's getting a little bit now. Because after that, that's a 12 round fight. He's fighting February 19th. So he's fighting two months later. He's back in the ring again at the Staples Center, though. It's a big fight.
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Starting point is 01:24:09 Great time to be a Wolverine. So the Haitian sensation is a 23-5-2 career record before it ended abruptly to a horrible bout of HIV. That's not true at all. Jermaine wins it. Put some lesions on him. You know how it goes. Jermaine, he comes out to the ring covered in lesions.
Starting point is 01:24:31 He's just from Haiti. That doesn't mean he has AIDS. It's just jokes. He probably does. Sorry, guys. He does. So it's a TKO in round three at two minutes and 26 seconds, bringing Jermaine to 23-0.
Starting point is 01:24:47 2005 WNBA draft. That is the Women's National Basketball Association. Erica is selected in the second round of the draft by the Washington Mystics. Great. So good for her. She gets to play in the WNBA. She made it to the big time. She made it to the bigs, man.
Starting point is 01:25:03 Which is shit. Which is nothing. Which is nothing. Which is a layup contest. $23,000 a year. And that's one of the top paid players in the league. And fly coach. And fly less than coach, if that's a thing. And fly
Starting point is 01:25:18 greyhound, which isn't flying. So... What a shit league. She will end up leaving her career pretty quickly into it though uh when she starts having kids she got a fucking weighted waiting tables yeah it pays a little bit more she's got a job at the sunglass hut and she's all jacked up now it's like i gotta quit this and leave selling accessories yeah i sold a pair of oakley's yesterday so my commission check's gonna be bigger than my wmba check i've put i sold six of those sun visor clips for your class you know how that goes man that's it's
Starting point is 01:25:49 i'm racking it up racking it up uh she would stop playing i don't know where that came from the sunglass hut and fucking still in there in the mall somewhere and they still pay better oh man so uh yeah she would leave her career eventually to raise the kids because they have four kids together. So July 15, 2005, things are going amazingly well for him. Even his wife is being drafted into professional athletic associations. Everything's going well, sort of, if you want to call it that. He fights. He has a huge fight.
Starting point is 01:26:22 She's a professional sunglass salesman that's true yeah she's putting it all in for the sunglass hut uh this is the fight of jermaine's life this is what it's built up to all these fights all the ham and eggers he fought right all the guys that in the last three fights of their career to lead to this moment he is fighting for uh the to be the undisputed middleweight champion of the world against Bernard Hopkins. If you don't know anything about Bernard Hopkins, he's a bad dude. Great fighter. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Just imposes his will on people in the ring. Amazing fighter. And he could be a crime and sports episode also. He's one of these guys where he's got a story, though, like he had a horrible time in the beginning and went to prison for a long time and then came out and boxing was a salvation and he did fine and then didn't get arrested anymore blah blah that's a happy story that's a happy it's not even like hollywood henderson who did like a mountain of crazy shit and you know uh raped a paraplegic teenager well after he forced her to smoke crack and then won the lottery and did some charity work that's a fucking story this not so much that's a happy ending that i can get behind this happy
Starting point is 01:27:31 ending no go fuck that's just boring but it's not even his fault right he's a junior jimmy i looked it up bernard hopkins is a junior so i'm like it's not even his fault that's right i'm on top of that shit he's a junior that makes so you know that it's not even his fault uh plenty of jail time you can't shake that label it's gonna bite you it's gonna bite you every time uh this fight uh bernard hopkins career 55 wins eight losses two draws so he's a warrior this guy a bad dude and he hasn't lost in a long time at this point and he's the undisputed champ which doesn't happen very often where they actually get the belts together it's for the w uh ba or the wbc ibf wbo and the ring titles all these belts he comes just adorned with ridiculous amounts of belts he's gonna have a
Starting point is 01:28:16 rack for those it's so so well they have like two on their waist one in their one around their chest one on their waist one over an arm and and then one wrapped around their neck and their body like a Rambo bullet fucking. Like Chewbacca. Yeah, Chewbacca, Rambo. Somebody should invent a backpack that's like a gun rack. That would be good. It carries all these belts for you. Stretches them all out.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Yeah, displays them nicely for you. This fight goes all 12 rounds, which is crazy. And Jermaine wins by split decision okay so two judges to one so one guy you know he's like listen to bob right what the fuck that's my guy bob knows i was said it what's the matter with you two listen i'm just gonna say this right now uh bob is i believe i've been observing you guys over the course of this fight bob is the smart one of the group i think you should really discuss it let bob be the foreman of the judges and then make a decision because i don't think i lost it to be honest with you
Starting point is 01:29:09 uh but now he's the undisputed middleweight champion of the world awesome and jermaine taylor's right he gets every one of those titles he gets all those titles that's so cool it doesn't always work like that it's like if you if you're undisputed champ uh you'll you might fight a fight that just for one of the only sanctioned by two two of the belts that they say that guy's a big enough contender to be. So then you could lose two. This is everything. Can you imagine? And Jermaine Taylor, to this day, is the last undisputed middleweight champion.
Starting point is 01:29:39 That's awesome. So it doesn't happen all the time. These belts break up. And when they come together, it's kind of a special thing. Riddick Bowe is an undisputed heavyweight champion when they come together it's a it's a it's a big deal for in boxing it really is the last one that germaine's the last one what 2005 july of 2005 years nobody's done that amazing right incredible uh he is on top of the world obviously he's he's feeling good about himself i would say he's achieved every one of his goals
Starting point is 01:30:03 no doubt uh he doesn't stutter anymore. He's came a long way. We'll say that. He says in a post-fight interview, in a completely non-stuttering way, quote, I'm the new world champion, Jermaine Taylor. Thank you so much for having me. Smooth as shit. That's the guy that knows that he just whooped Bernard Hopkins' ass.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Then he stroked his Billy Dee Williams mustache,s mustache pounded some cult 45 and walked away with three beautiful women around his arm he just he was doing fantastic through his cowboy hat back on and walked on out of here i'll be off into the sunset now y'all have a good one so he is feeling good yeah hopkins is not feeling good hopkins is pissed off. Hopkins appeals the decision to the Nevada State Athletic Commission. What? So you can go complain. They didn't listen to Bob. Right.
Starting point is 01:30:52 Bob said I won. But he said it. You heard. He said Bernard won. He just said not Jermaine. Right. And you didn't listen. He's the smart one.
Starting point is 01:31:00 This is wrong. Bill and Dave don't like me. I heard them talking about me and it's not fair. Give me my purse. I'm leaving. That's so dumb. I want my belt and my purse and I'm going home. Why do they get to bitch about it?
Starting point is 01:31:16 He gets the smaller purse. That's a weird one. I've never heard of anyone appealing a decision. That's bizarre. That, again, sounds very wrestling. It does. The title will be hauled up. I will be calling McMahon in the morning about this fought in a tournament at wrestlemania four that's what that's what happens here so silly it's and that actually did happen there
Starting point is 01:31:35 was a tournament at wrestlemania 4 in 1988 so anyway things are going great though for uh for jermaine he couldn't be fucking happier about this sure he's thrilled uh they uh they have a parade for him in little rock it is jermaine taylor day okay in little rock uh he is going down the parade route there's 5500 people in the parade route to watch him go by he's in the back of a red convertible yeah smiling and waving and having a good old time he's wearing a white blazer oh that's some pimp shit that's some pain he's like everybody's leather inserts on the shoulders you know it probably does you know it does uh even it's 101 degrees outside in arkansas in fucking july which sounds miserable and humid as fuck humid tornadoid. Nasty. Tornado warnings. Stinking. Smelling like pig shit up in there. Fucking smelling like just a Walmart break room.
Starting point is 01:32:29 Terrible. Walmart employee break room in midsummer. Coffee and farts. After the truck just got unloaded. Oh, shit. And it's camping supply day. Oh, no. Oh, you know how heavy that charcoal is.
Starting point is 01:32:41 Somebody unload these propane tanks. Holy shit, they're heavy. Also, there is Arkansas First Lady, Mike Huckabee's wife, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the current press secretary for the White House's mother here, who is the wife of a highly, highly conservative, ultra-Christian, super-Christian governor, and she declares it to be Jermaine Taylor Day throughout the land. Literally, she decrees it.
Starting point is 01:33:09 It was a scroll. And a bugle. Jermaine Taylor Day. It is a blood members day. That's what she declared. That's why I think this is hilarious. We declare it 21st Street Bloods Day. Jermaine, you may tag the wall of your choice.
Starting point is 01:33:28 That's the key to the city for him. You may tag his street name anywhere he likes here. So at this point, shit's getting out of control for him in terms of just people coming at him, wanting to throw money at him, wanting him to do things. He's the undisputed middleweight champ. He's an Olympian, and especially in Arkansas. In Arkansas, he's the shit.
Starting point is 01:33:52 I mean, he is the best thing to ever come out of Arkansas as far as anybody's concerned. Promotional appearances, he does speaking engagements, charitable organizations. Think about it. This is a guy who was a stuttering kid
Starting point is 01:34:03 who wasn't allowed outside. He's now undisputed champion doing speaking engagements everybody in arkansas wants him yeah no one would have thought that yeah he's uh his his business manager a guy named andrew metters uh said that at one point he would just have to beg people to just recognize the guy give him a fucking local car commercial go he's in the olympics tell him this he can sell a chevy shit yeah come down here knock out high prices with a glove on or some horse shit bullshit local commercial you know they all are i'm here to give low print to give high prices the old one two come on down to sam hill's probably got a dealership down there by come on down to sam hill chevrolet he's you know
Starting point is 01:34:42 he'd hire jermaine i'll knock the sam hill of it. I'll knock the Sam Hill out of those prices. He holds up a fist. Sweet. His manager, Metters, said, quote, everybody wants him now. They all think it's just them calling, but it's not just them. It's two or three hundred of them that are calling. A lot of these are Arkansas things, because in Arkansas he's a hero, including Bill Clinton, of these are arkansas things because in arkansas he's a hero including uh bill clinton oh former president of the united states invited uh germaine to come to his office in harlem in august of that
Starting point is 01:35:11 year after he beat after he beat hopkins that's awesome taylor was honored by this because he's from there and there's any president i don't give a shit fuck your politics okay i don't care whether you like clinton or hate clinton or like whatever i don't give a fuck if the worst president invites you to his office you're at least intrigued by that and a little bit honored if gerald ford invites you you're like yeah he didn't get elected even or anything but fuck it he sat in the chair for a minute i'm gonna go have a cup of coffee with the guy and see what he wants jimmy carter's peanut farming ass invites me anywhere i'll be there yeah i'll be there build a fucking habitat for humanity with him god damn no right, I'll be there. No problem. I know you will, Jimmy. You're right there.
Starting point is 01:35:46 You're going to grab a fucking hammer and everything's going to be fine. I believe in you, Jimmy. You can do it. Go hang out with Jimmy Carter. So, yeah, everybody's wanting him. Taylor, about Bill Clinton, after he was very honored for this whole thing. Because Clinton was the governor forever of Arkansas, too. When you come into Little Rock, it says, welcome to Little Rock, home of Bill Clinton.
Starting point is 01:36:08 Bill Clinton, too. If you grew up when this guy grew up, he was governor for his whole. He was born in 78. I think he became governor in the early 80s. So as far back as he can remember, he was governor and then president. So Bill Clinton's just the guy in charge of everything always to this guy. They should call it Clintonville or Clintonsaw or some shit. Yeah, it's Arkansas.
Starting point is 01:36:24 So it's not like there's anything that you really need to keep your name for there's no who cares what are you propping up over there walmart come on already what are you proud of and you guys are just confusing you're confusing shit right you can rename your college you can still be called the razorbacks and do your thing we were squealing and all that shit no one will care it's fine you see we just just, you know what? Just call it Clinton. Swallow your pride and rename the fucking thing.
Starting point is 01:36:48 Clintonland. Clintonland. That's fine. So I'm going to go ahead and say it right now because he's the undisputed middleweight champion of the world.
Starting point is 01:36:54 They're literally having parades with Republican governors' wives, conservative women declaring it Jermaine Taylor Day throughout the land. Presidents are inviting him over. He doesn't have enough time
Starting point is 01:37:05 in the day to deal with the people who are constantly throwing money at him grace for sure this is fucking this is like ridiculous grace it's the greatest day ever this is for it's too much honestly like this sounds like the last 15 minutes i'm just talking shit like this is not even fucking true it's silly jumped into a gang yeah and this is his life he's achieved every dream possible literally hanging out with people named pookie little snoopy and little joker and mr president he's mixing those groups together this is what i'm saying like he's you can't get any more grace than this once they have a fucking tommy morrison style parade for you, you've reached your... It's it.
Starting point is 01:37:45 There's nowhere to go but down from there. December 3rd, 2005, six months later, he has to fight Bernard Hopkins again. It's a rematch. Hopkins, if the appeal wasn't going to work, he's goddamn sure he wants a rematch. Get another fight. He doesn't think he lost the first one. Yeah. So he wants another fight here.
Starting point is 01:38:02 It's at Mandalay Bay on december 3rd in vegas again huge fight a lot of interest this is like you know when the big champ loses in a close fight like that that a lot of people watched it's one of those things too when i everything i read about it and i've watched it too but i like to read what you know fight experts have to say and that sort of thing and everybody says the same thing like they i dare you to watch that fight and tell me somebody won it it's one of those where you go there's no way when you watch that either one of their fights coin flip it you can coin flip it it's it's literally if you blinked a couple of times you might have missed a couple punches from one guy and decided for the other guy
Starting point is 01:38:37 it's so close it's two completely evenly matched fighters fighting. Great fight. Leaving nothing in their pocket. Nothing in their pocket. All on the table. This fight, again, goes all 12 rounds. Think about this. We've had this repeatedly where the guys will have a couple of complete 12-round wars. And then all of a sudden they're doing the most erratic bat shit nutball behavior in the world. Out of nowhere they're
Starting point is 01:39:05 holding up a yarn barn you know yeah asking for all of the fucking fat needles that you can put yarn through the good ones goddamn but i'm doing some cross stitching don't fuck with me and the ladies they're very confused you don't even what are you talking what are you talking about it's like i'm making a quilt motherfucker they're like you don't cross stitch a quilt and he's like don't you fucking question me and he's got seven ladies it's super weird yeah that's what ends up happening after this and everyone goes i don't get it he's like a different guy i don't know when you punch his brain into fucking pudding maybe that'll happen but uh yeah so this fight goes all 12 rounds again so 24 rounds in six months with bernard hopkins is it's a bit much. Fuck, man. And Hopkins is one of those guys
Starting point is 01:39:45 he was fighting up until very recently. I didn't even realize that. He couldn't understand a word he was saying. He sounded like he, you know, had his tongue cut out of his mouth. And he's just but he's still fighting. So Hopkins is just, he's like a man of stone. He just keeps coming
Starting point is 01:40:01 and coming and coming. It's ridiculous. Like the Terminator and you have to just keep putting him down clearly got bills yeah he's got to have bills well that's why holyfield kept fighting until he couldn't speak anymore is because he had it's just so sad when 31 children and five bankruptcies so you know because everything hurts but when you touch his penis that feels great yeah keep doing that. Yeah, exactly. 31 children later. He's like, how did this happen? One part of me that doesn't hurt is that I keep that protected with a big cup. And if they hit that, they lose.
Starting point is 01:40:33 They lose. Exactly. Look, we're all going to be in pain afterwards. Let's keep our nutsacks out of it. Thank you. So this makes him 25-0, winning a unanimous decision here. But unanimous this time not a split decision jermaine wins it again this time he can kind of tell bernard hopkins it's unanimous
Starting point is 01:40:50 now shut the fuck up even bill's not on your side this time yeah even you lost bill now so stop bitching it's unanimous but once again they're coin flip fights it's not like jermaine can say i beat his ass but he can go i did did. Three judges said so. That's what he said. He ends up saying at the end of the fight, and this, again, humble, very likable. He says, quote, I still got a lot of work to do, but I did win, and I'm taking my belts back to Little Rock, Arkansas. All of them. All of them. My belts. And he's covered in belts going back to Little Rock, Arkansas because he is the 2005 Arkansan of the Year.
Starting point is 01:41:27 What? Yes. Arkansas because he is the 2005 Arkansan of the year what yes the state declares him the person of the year within its confines it is Jermaine Taylor year of all the family everybody Waltons you think about there are people fuck the walls there's there's people those people who are taking in developmentally disabled children off the street and raising them as their own and spending their whole lives spoon feeding them and wiping their asses. This guy's the Arkansan of the year because he beat Bernard Hopkins' face in slightly better than Bernard Hopkins beat his face in.
Starting point is 01:42:01 Two percent. Arkansan of the year. I feel like Bill Clinton had a lot of influence in that vote. I think he had a vote on that one. Yeah, I think so too. The one thing that
Starting point is 01:42:09 the Huckabees and the Clintons can agree on is they fucking love Jermaine Taylor. So what? The only thing on her. The guy that's in a goddamn gang.
Starting point is 01:42:19 But love him. Love him. Silver-haired, middle-aged fucking Arkansan of the year. The whole state's a silver-haired, middle- fucking arkansan of the year the whole state's a middle silver-haired middle-aged white man the whole fucking state kuckabee's wife the whole state the the nevada state athletic everybody they're all silver-haired middle-aged white state of bill clinton's good lord here so uh he does an interview at this point and it's kind of interesting because
Starting point is 01:42:41 this is kind of a little insight into how he operates a guy the reporter asks him uh uh this is a bunch of uh uh fielding it's like a how do you describe this like a people calling in questions for him random what like a like a reddit ask me anything like an ama but like but like on the radio type of thing i don't know what you're gonna call i don't know what the fuck it is. That's the stupidest. That's the worst introduction. He did this thing where people asked him questions. He did a radio ask me anything.
Starting point is 01:43:12 Pretty much a radio AMA is what he does here. Someone asked him, quote, do you feel like you can change the trash talking thug image of boxing with your honest down to earth approach and become a role model for today's youth? That's what people are. So far, he's a role model for today's youth. That's what people are... So far, he's a role model. Think about it. You can go. You can even be...
Starting point is 01:43:30 You can come from shit. Carl Lois can make you stay home. You can be a gangbanger. But if you work hard and you fucking overcome your stuttering and you marry a really attractive, smart, beautiful, tall woman... After you knock up another girl that has nothing to do with
Starting point is 01:43:45 this you can get here so he says quote i can't speak for everyone i have to be who i am i'm not i'm not out to try and change the the thug image but sometimes when trash is being thrown at you you have to throw it back but it can be done in a way that it's not disrespectful okay so he's trying to say like you know i'm not a bitch right i'll talk some shit i ain't gonna take it but i'm gonna do it in a classy way when you wrap it all up and you say uh thanks for having me thanks for having me problem is when you're arkansan of the year you represent everyone in the state all of us all of us all of the arkansans out there so you really must do it differently uh june 17 2006 he's got to go fight again
Starting point is 01:44:25 six months later so this has been a whirlwind year for him just two hopkins fights and now he's going to fight another damn good fighter this is whenever they get into these fights man this is when damage starts to happen uh he fights the fedex at the fedex forum in memphis tennessee june 17 2006 he fights the entire fedex forum the i see him fighting it like like like a bonus bonus round in street fighter that's what you gotta beat a car but you gotta beat all the fedex employees who have formed a had a forum to decide how to better deliver packages after they kick your ass so he fights ronald winky right and winky right's a bad dude and we talked about
Starting point is 01:45:05 winky right too somebody was in a four i think it was henderson thomas hollywood henderson was in like a foursome with him golfing yes at one point or something with winky right uh winky right's a great fighter 51 wins six losses one draw for winky in his career so that's he's a great fighter winky uh this fight again goes the distance 12 rounds so 36 rounds of hardcore not real boxing not dancing not fighting the cream puff and being lazy battles brawls uh with this uh it's a draw that's how tough of a fight this is good god completely even so that is for all the belts and it went a draw a draw it's a goddamn draw uh last non-loss of of career for winky right this is uh winky right loses every fight now for the next couple fights after this so like well it just it's it's a war at the guy
Starting point is 01:45:58 draw he was at the end of his career and you have a big fight like this at the end of your career it'll damage you man and you're never the same fighter again it's i can't tell you there's a list a mile long of guys who were great had one fight that changed them yeah 12 rounds head not only gets in your head it fucks up your head yeah 12 rounds of sustained beating at one time that can change your life change the ripples in your brain literally change your entire. You don't recover from that sometimes. It happens. And it's only in boxing, if you're half a percent, when you're talking about this elite level, you're not some great fighter fighting a ham and egger anymore. You're at an elite level.
Starting point is 01:46:36 If you're 1% less, you're in trouble. That's a problem. That's a problem. And you end up going 12 rounds at a time and getting your head beat in more. Brainstorms don't regenerate. They don't. So now this brings Jermaine to 25-0-1, one draw. Both guys felt they won the fight.
Starting point is 01:46:53 They both thought they won, as most draws seem to be. Winky Wright was so pissed he left the ring immediately and didn't even do the HBO interview that they have to do in the ring afterwards. Shit. Guys get up from being knocked out cold right one eye is still going one direction they're drooling on the other side of their mouth and they still do those fucking interviews where am i they go so let me ask you about the fourth round when you were ducking in the guy's like huh mom are you my mother like i don't know what's happening fucking and they're like let me put a microphone in your face at the
Starting point is 01:47:22 worst time for you let's have have a chat. You're bleeding. Can we have a... Your brain is burning and on fire and bleeding. Let's have a chat. And I've got cerebral questions to ask you. Yeah, let me ask you about your strategy in the fourth round. I'm going to ask you shit you shouldn't be able to remember right now. Anyway, even if normally, but especially now. So December 9th, 2006 at the altel arena again little rock he fights
Starting point is 01:47:46 kasim the dream uma okay uh who is from uganda yeah so he's fighting every uh he's fighting the world strange african country he can get his hands on he'll he'll call somebody from there and beat the shit out of them uh he's a 29 11 and one, so not bad. The last time he lost, as of right now, was when he lost to fucking Borat. To his trainer's kid. Oh, no, Borat. Borat, yeah, in the Olympics. Borat's the last time he lost a fight. God, he must hate Borat so much right now.
Starting point is 01:48:15 Fuck that shit is out. Motherfucker. So mad. Yeah, right now, Ali G is cooking right now. Borat's popular. This fight goes all 12 again. Oh, this is not good, man. this is not good man this is not great this is two years he's had four 12 round fights all against good fighters this is brutal man uh
Starting point is 01:48:34 jermaine wins a unanimous decision but it takes a lot of abuse 26 0 and 1 uh may 19th again at 2007 fedex forum in memphis he fights fights Corey, next generation Spinks. And he's called that because Leon Spinks is his father. Leon Spinks is a great fighter from the 70s who I believe beat Muhammad Ali. You're not junior, so how about no, no. Next generation. That's a Pepsi fucking slogan. Yeah, no shit.
Starting point is 01:49:02 That's a Star Trek thing. Stop it. He's not a bad fighter too he's 39 and 8 career fighter which isn't too shabby uh this fight guess shocker all 12 rounds again good god dude this is not good no this is just bad for a person's fucking brain this this is yeah you're looking at this going dude please stop please get a line up a couple tomato cans to knock out quickly for the love of christ shit today that you probably should have changed this path i would say here
Starting point is 01:49:30 uh so yeah 27 zero and one right now and they probably knew that shit then right fuck yeah they had to know right yeah they cte has been known for way more years than we know we've done the things where the studies were out in the early 90s about that people knew about that they covered it up remember the hockey player post check where they they had the study saying what it did and they literally told him man don't worry about it you're fine yeah just get your bell rung it's no big deal the guy didn't remember where he was and they were like give it 10 minutes it'll be fine and then get back out on the ice like say crazy they just silver-ha, middle-aged assholes.
Starting point is 01:50:06 They just got, get out there and make me money, motherfucker. If you don't remember where you live after the game, that's your problem. We'll get you a car, drive you home, as long as you come back tomorrow and let us beat the shit out of your brain a little more. Do you think there's problems with this? Nick Bonacotti's on TV every week talking about football. You'll be all right. People are all right. Who cares?
Starting point is 01:50:21 every week talking about football. You'll be all right. People are all right. Who cares? Now, September 29, 2007, at the Boardwalk Hotel in Atlantic City, he fights Kelly the Ghost Pavlik, who I assume that's just because he's white.
Starting point is 01:50:33 He's a big white guy. Okay. Kelly the Ghost Pavlik, who is a 40-2 career fighter. Holy fuck. Bad dude, Kelly Pavlik. He's nasty. Taylor is the big-time favorite in this, obviously. He's undefeated.
Starting point is 01:50:45 He's undefeated. He's undisputed. He's the fucking man. He's people. Bernard is the big-time favorite in this, obviously. He's undefeated. He's undefeated. He's undisputed. He's the fucking man. He's Bernard Hopkins, Winky Wright. He's a bad dude. He knocks down Pavlik in the second round, and it looks like Taylor's just, you know, this is going to be a cakewalk. Yeah, he's going to manhandle him.
Starting point is 01:50:59 It might go 12, but he's going to pace him the whole time. But instead, the whole thing, Pavlik turns it around and starts to really press on Taylor, and it's a weird thing. And by the seventh round, it's all Pavlik. Really? Taylor doesn't look like the same guy. He ends up hurting Taylor. Taylor ends up falling down, and the referee stops the fight in the seventh round.
Starting point is 01:51:23 TKO. It's TKO for Pavlik. So he was beating his ass for six rounds, and then out of nowhere, this guy came out in the seventh and just flipped the script on him. Somehow. And the fight got stopped on him, and he went from being Bill Clinton's best friend, the undisputed greatest guy in the world. Bill Clinton's like, new phone, new disc. Loser. Fucking just total loser.
Starting point is 01:51:46 All the endorsements stopped. You just lost to a white guy no doubt shit is fucking bad for you jesus uh so yeah somebody in his corner must have said he's doing this you can for sure knock him out it's just a different yeah it's super yeah he must have maybe that's it they must have saw something an opening uh two minutes and 14 seconds of round seven it's a tko he loses the undisputed title this only loses a couple of belts here because this he was it's one of those where he lost like two of the belts and he had to this broke up the whole undisputed thing here uh he's now 27 one and one uh february 16th 2008 he's right back at it again at the mgm grand fighting kelly pavlik again uh looking for another war.
Starting point is 01:52:25 He's pulling that Bernard shit. He's pulling that Bernard shit. And this fight goes all 12 rounds. And it's a war again. I mean, it's a war. These guys are just brutally beating each other. Jermaine loses this by unanimous decision this time after the whole thing. He found his match.
Starting point is 01:52:41 He found his match. He can't find an opening on pavlik and it's he's 27 2 and 1 now and this is the arc of these fighters yeah great great great great they hit their peak fight all these great fighters have these long fights that wear them out and then they start tick tick tick tick and they start ticking down and now they'll fight the upcomers like kelly pavlik who will come up and beat him now and they'll say oh the last fight he lost the last five fights of his career and this is fight number four or whatever yeah just like we do with the other guys in the beginning sure it's all cyclical with these boxers with each other uh
Starting point is 01:53:12 no so he's 27 two and one november 15 2008 at the memorial gymnasium in nashville oh no shit done changed that's not the mgm that is not the mgm that is far from madison square garden and he is not fighting bernard hopkins something called gymnasium gymnasium memorial gymnasium he is fighting jeff left left hook lacy oh no that's what he's fighting who's got a 27 and 6 career record but he's not a you know he's a non-linker he's got a nickname that's an actual fucking swing actual punch that he throws that's worse than dinty mark that's like being i'm james drive to work petra gallo that's jimmy make some dinner westman that's it right there it's so stupid this This is fucked up. These names are great.
Starting point is 01:54:06 Jeff Left Hook Lacey. This fight goes all 12 again. Jesus Christ. Stop it, please, Jermaine. Fuck, man. He wins, though. Jermaine wins by unanimous decision. He better beat Left Hook Lacey there.
Starting point is 01:54:19 Just watch out for that left hook. You'll be all right. He's like the fifth guy you fight in Tyson's Punch Out. Left Hook Lacey's a little tougher than Piston piston honda but soda popinski would fuck him up you know what i mean ridiculous but he gives you a real good clue of what his special move is yeah he's gonna tell god damn name yeah that's it yeah and he does like a big thing where he like winds up right left hook and that's when you gotta punch him in the stomach and then hit him left right in the face like king hippppo back and forth.
Starting point is 01:54:46 Sorry if you never played that game. It's a very inside reference here. Left hook. So, yeah, Jermaine wins. He's 28-2-1. April 25, 2009, he's back at the Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. This is for the WBC super middleweight title. Now he's been the last few fights he's gone up to super middleweight.
Starting point is 01:55:04 The second Pavlik fight was a super middleweight fight. Got it. been he's been last few fights he's gone up to super middle weight the uh second pavlik fight was a super middleweight fight so he just goes up a few pounds he fights carl the cobra frock or frock uh this is a 33 and 2 career fighter who was 24 and 0 coming in whoa so he's the jermaine taylor now as you can see he's the undefeated up and comer fighting the guy who's take out some shine taken off of him. Frock keeps a detailed diary of his whole career, this guy. Really? Which is really, it's kind of interesting because it's a guy from the very beginning going all the way up through being like a popular, famous fighter.
Starting point is 01:55:38 Lucky that he did that, though. He did. There's probably a lot of fighters that have done that. It's just not an interesting book. And he can actually spell and read and write which is also the thing and remember to keep fucking notes he said in his diary about this quote i've been doing the same six mile run in nottingham for the last seven years and i normally do it in 35 minutes which is under six minutes a mile recently i was shocked to break my best time so I'm running faster and punching harder than I have ever done before.
Starting point is 01:56:05 I feel so strong and mentally I'm more mature than when I turned pro seven years ago. Jermaine Taylor is in serious trouble. Six miles under six minutes a mile. I can't do that. That's impressive. Fuck no, I dropped dead. They'd find me mile three dead on the sidewalk. I'd be lucky to get a mile under 10 minutes at this point.
Starting point is 01:56:26 There's no way I can do that. That's brutal. That's impressive. And in this fight, Jermaine comes out swinging. He comes out. He knocks Frock down early, hurts him in the third, knocks him down. But Frock ends up turning it around again. And this fight ends up going to the 12th round.
Starting point is 01:56:45 Think about this frock eventually turned it around and and all the way to the 12th round he ends up uh the fight is stopped with 14 seconds left in the fight oh no two minutes of 46 seconds of round 12 it's like meldrick taylor julio cesar chavez shit basically if you know that fight that's a fucking heartbreaker chavez was undefefeated and Taylor beat his fucking ass. He had him like nine rounds to two on everybody's scorecards. And then with like eight seconds left, they stopped the fight. Playmaker or some shit. Chavez had him in the corner and was beating Taylor.
Starting point is 01:57:18 And Richard Steele, the ref, jumps in and waves it off. Oh, that's fucked up. Taylor's like, I fucking won. What are you doing? No, don't do this. He's like, because you could see the red light saying 10 seconds is left on the top of the round on the top of the ring so you could see taylor was just like weather this for eight more seconds and fuck out of here i win and the guy stopped the fight he's like oh it ruined taylor's whole life basically
Starting point is 01:57:37 i would be furious god that was a great fight anyway moving on to this here uh this so 14 seconds left to get stopped but he did fight 12 whole rounds, minus 14 seconds of a war. This makes him 28-3-1. It's at this point Taylor signs on to participate in one of Showtime's boxing things. I guess he's done with HBO here. This is the Super 6 Middleweight Tournament. It's a tournament of middleweight fighters. This takes place in Berlin, Germany. uh this tournament on october 17 2009 he fights arthur abraham uh who sounds like
Starting point is 01:58:12 he's written several musicals arthur abraham children's books and musicals uh abraham is 30 and oh coming into this fight he's a bad dude and his books have uh have religious undertones they really do they're very actually the huckabees gave them out on jermaine taylor day they gave them out to the children it was very very nice of them to do he's a 46 and 6 career fighter with 30 and 0 coming in uh the final round this is the luck he has this fight goes 12 rounds at two minutes and 54 seconds in the 12th round that is six seconds left in the fight jermaine's knocked out oh my god so that's two fights in a row where he goes all the way to the last fucking 15 seconds loses two fights in a row and in the last 15 seconds unbelievable which is that's like losing two football games on hail mary's at the end of the game two weeks in a row like horse shit
Starting point is 01:59:05 fucking passes in a row what are we doing here didn't aaron rogers do that he did i think yeah but not to the same team he did it to matter if he played the same team two weeks in a row twice in a season yeah fucking not oh my god uh so now he is 28 four and one yeah it's at this point uh they think there's something wrong with him physically, with his brain in particular. Lou DiBella resigns as his promoter because he is concerned with Taylor's health following this knockout. Taylor had been knocked out two previous times,
Starting point is 01:59:38 and this wasn't great. This was a bad knockout. He got knocked the fuck out, and it wasn't good for his brain. He said Taylor wanted to stay in the tournament after this, This was a bad knockout. He got knocked the fuck out, and it wasn't good for his brain. He said Taylor wanted to stay in the tournament after this, and DiBella refused to continue working with him because he was concerned with his brain. He released a statement, Lou DiBella does, saying, quote, It is with a heavy heart but strong conviction that I will recuse myself, and DiBella Entertainment is Jermaine's promoter. He said it is out of genuine concern for him and his family that I am compelled to make this decision.
Starting point is 02:00:12 Also, he can't make me any more money, and I don't want him to die in the ring and have me be blamed for it. So now that he's made every dime that I can and I've extracted him like a natural resource, I'm going to now discard him out into the abyss. Have a good one, asshole. But at the same time, he shouldn't be trying to get him to fight and make money off his brain damage so there's really nothing you could do if you're lube to bella at this point you're an asshole either way also i don't want him to go make somebody else a whole i want him to make somebody else a a little bit of money yeah or at least give him the opportunity he's got a shitload of kids you know have we let this guy make some money he suffers a bad concussion it comes out in the fight. And he has brain bleeding after this fight.
Starting point is 02:00:47 Hemorrhaging. He has some hemorrhaging in his brain. So this, he cannot get a license with this brain bleed. He can't get a boxing license anywhere. He'll fucking die in there. Yeah, he has to quit boxing for a while now. There's nothing he can do. That was 2009.
Starting point is 02:01:02 He takes two years off. He has to take two years off of boxing to get his health situation before he can pass any kind of physical for this uh 2011 he has his first little weird run-in with the law now it's going to come fast and furious after this now uh police are called when taylor breaks the window of his mother's car okay uh not many details are known there was no arrest window or windshield uh it does not that's what i mean it's there's no police report yeah it's just known that there was a police report uh it's been you know shuffled in the back of a glass was whole somewhere on the
Starting point is 02:01:34 vehicle somebody called the cops in the end nobody went to jail that's how it worked here that's how we start that's how we start 2011 he's granted we start. In 2011, he's granted a boxing license again. Okay. Because, you know, that's going to be good for you. Give it to that guy. You know, why not? He's granted a license unanimously by the board, as a matter of fact. They have a Dr. Margaret Goodman, who is a fight doctor.
Starting point is 02:01:57 She called the decision unconscionable, saying, quote, if the physicians and the commission had reviewed all of Jermaine's performances, they would not have been able to come to this conclusion. She said, look at him. He's clearly, if you watch him too, he clearly deteriorated in the ring. And it's not, you can tell something's wrong with him. He's not the same guy. Like there's water on the brain or something?
Starting point is 02:02:17 Like there's some, he's got, you know, like his brain is fucking bleeding or something like that. But he comes back to boxing. And some other parts in it are just now dark. They're just not working right. They're a little dormant aren't on there yeah lights are on nobody's home lights are off and nobody's home uh so december 30th 2011 is his big comeback at uh morongo casino resort and spa yeah that's you know which one casino resort it's a cabazon it's the one with the dinosaurs from the peewee herman movie yes it is absolutely this is in the middle of nowhere desert if you're driving from phoenix to la and you go god this place is a shithole they had a fight there people paid money to gather there to watch this they
Starting point is 02:02:55 thrive on truckers stopping and gambling that's what it is yeah trucker fucking needs that's what this place lives on they have a prime rib advertised 795 795 it's got to be awful but i still want to eat it kind of though i still kind of want to give it a shot i still kind of want one see if it's medium rare you know what i mean just want to check it out uh he fights jesse nick clow who is a 27 8 and 3 career fighter uh jermaine wins by tko in round eight at 36 seconds in they set him up for a fight to win this is you can beat this guy they put jesse back to work making that prime right yeah then he went back into the sunglass hut for his shift he relieved erica uh he took he does the evening shift she does the day uh so this is now brings jermaine to 29 four
Starting point is 02:03:42 and one to april 25th 2012 in uh Beau Rivage in Biloxi, Mississippi. That's the name of the casino. He fights Caleb Trox, T-R-A-U-X. A tro? A tro? I don't fucking know. It sounds French. It's one of those Carlois situations.
Starting point is 02:04:00 I have no idea. He's 18-0-1 coming in, this guy. He's from the bayou. He's from the bayou he's from the bayou yes he is this fight goes all 10 rounds so again more wars he went eight in the last one still so he's a lot of rounds uh he wins by unanimous decision jermaine does bringing his record to 34 30 wins four losses and one uh draw october 12 2012 ameristar casino resort spa in saint charles missouri where dreams come true you bet holy shit he fights raul jorge el toro muñez my lord el toro is his nickname raul jorge muñoz is his name he's a 23 22 and one fighter that's a lot of words it's a lot to way too many words and that said very quickly in spanish too it sounds just very funny and that's a lot to way too many words and that said very quickly in spanish too it sounds just very
Starting point is 02:04:46 funny and that's a lot of stitching to put on a rope that's all i know uh this guy said i'm 23 22 and one before i lose another fight and get we go five i'm over 500 fuck it i'm gone when someone says i when he says i'm a boxer i was a boxer and they go how were you any good he can go lost one more than i lost he can say that now more than I lost, which sounds real like humble. Sounds impressive. But he barely won more than he lost. If it weren't for that fucking draw. Yeah, if it wasn't for that draw.
Starting point is 02:05:13 Jermaine knocks him out at one minute and five seconds of round two. So he needed that draw, that tomato can. 31-4-1. Next fight's December 14, 2013, which is a while. I mean, it's over a year later. He fights at the Alamo Dome in San Antonio against Juan Carlos Candelo, who's a 32-14-4 career fighter. Jermaine gets a TKO in round seven. 32-4-1 is his record now.
Starting point is 02:05:41 There's a big piece about his wife that comes out May 2014 right after this. A piece about her writing kids books. Says she went from teaching third grade and her daughters inspired her to write the children's books. Figler, my imaginary friend. And she also wrote another book here. So she's writing all these children's books. They talk about in this article. A book about an imaginary friend. Their imaginary friend. They talk about in this article. A book about an imaginary friend.
Starting point is 02:06:05 Their imaginary friend. They talk about in this article, it's just like, what a wholesome family this is. It sure sounds like it. A couple of athletes, an Olympian, great people, good guys. Erica talks about the family's favorite books, the whole family. Of hers? The whole family. Jermaine curls up with the kids and reads them
Starting point is 02:06:25 he's all gentle uh one is uh uh neo uh she the one kid likes wonder and the dork diary series which a lot of kids like the dork diaries uh the one likes junie b jones and the diary of a wimpy kid series yeah that's the kids like those and uh the other one likes Don't Spill the Milk. And she also says, quote, we all love Amelia Bedelia books and laugh out loud when we read them. Yes. I'm sure Jermaine. But I've never laughed out loud. I'm sure Jermaine sits there laughing. Crisscross applesauce.
Starting point is 02:06:57 Just laughing. Yeah, crisscross applesauce with a juice box in his hand. Just laughing it up. Going, oh, this is the best. Oh, that Amelia. So we'll find out what he does, by way this is a night at the house uh she says uh erica's they talk about this is erica's favorite family night okay this is her description of it uh quote kids are in the backyard swimming we're grilling burgers and wings i'm making baked beans and pasta salad and taking appetizers in and out
Starting point is 02:07:25 for everyone we're eating outside the karaoke machine is going with some beyonce songs i'm singing people joke and call me eon say that's what she says okay so she's just painting this picture of just this glorious home life amazing uh summer day they're trading the mic back and forth fucking singing karaoke while they eat good food and burgers and fucking pasta. This sounds great. Yeah. Let's talk about another night at their house. All right.
Starting point is 02:07:53 You want to talk about a summer evening in Arkansas at their house? Let's go to August. When that pasta salad wasn't done quite right. I think the mayonnaise turned on this pasta salad, my friend. turned on this boss to sell my friend uh august 26 2014 uh police respond to a 911 call from erica yeah at about 7 p.m the 911 call is her saying uh quote we've had some intruders on our property yeah that's what she says to the operator moments later you can hear jermaine in the background say quote i shot one of them better come and get him before i kill him so what he's saying to the 911 operator through the background so okay that is a far change from grill and burgers and karaoke
Starting point is 02:08:31 and beyonce at this point what the fuck just this is literally a month difference between her ideal family night and this family what's your emergency yeah this is you may know me by Eonce. We got an intruder on the property. I shot him. That's my blood name, Eonce. We jumped her in and we all call her Eonce. She tags his shit right next to mine. You may have heard of me, Eonce.
Starting point is 02:09:01 A-Z-E-once. A-Z-E-once. Oh, my God. So it's an intruder, right? You're thinking somebody trying to break in his house. He shot him. Let.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. A.D.E. Oh, my God. So it's an intruder, right? You're thinking somebody trying to break in his house. He shot him. Let's find out what really happened. That is not what fucking happened at all.
Starting point is 02:09:13 This is not an intruder. This is his. Let's talk here for his cousin. Remember his cousin from the beginning? Braylon or something like that? Hinton there. Hinton. That's it. His cousin here.
Starting point is 02:09:22 His cousin is one. He helps him out training. and his cousin was trying to get him into the gym uh jermaine didn't show up that day he was being fucking lazy sitting at home didn't feel like showing up when everybody showed up to train him he's got a headache his cousin yeah i'm sure he does his cousin comes to his house uh to come to try to get him to come to the gym come on jermaine put your shit on let's go uh so uh his cousin who and his cousin that the you know this is his father figure whatever the fuck got everybody raising their hands got him into the bloods the whole deal right uh the cousin said he's worried about him and he
Starting point is 02:09:55 wants him to train harder because he doesn't want to see him keep losing he wants him to be a good fighter and you know make money and all this i guess hinton kept calling jermaine and leaving him messages and he never uh he never answered them i couldn't figure out how to work the phone anymore no he lost it he turned it upside down he picked up the wrong side of it he had a cell phone backwards against his ear why can't i hear you he answered his laptop yeah and he's like this isn't working uh the hinton said quote i was like man when are you going to come in and train? And Taylor would call him back and tell him, I'm coming, I'm coming. But then by 5 p.m., the gym closed, and Hinton waited there all day for him,
Starting point is 02:10:32 asking him when he'd come in, and he never came. That'll piss you off. From the morning. So he said, quote, I didn't want to see him get knocked out again. I was worried about him. So Hinton and Hinton's 19-year-old son drove over to Taylor's house, which at this point he's got a fucking big house. He's got a big old giant house. Or they barbecue.
Starting point is 02:10:49 They can barbecue. You can buy a really big house with good money in Arkansas. If you make a fuckload of money and want to live in Arkansas. You can buy a county. You can buy a, exactly. You can buy a Walmart super center for yourself. Shit, yeah. And you wouldn't want it, but you could have it.
Starting point is 02:11:04 And not pay anybody anything yeah so uh they uh they get past the gate there's a big gate in the front because every boxer has a gate uh and at that point there was a dog barking at him and uh came out and barking at the cousin and hinton and kenton's son and at this point jermaine steps out in a bathrobe he walks outside wearing a bathrobe which is some brain damaged fighter shit with dogs like this is he's he's turning the junkyard guy from stand by me he's rodney dangerfield that's with a dog right the worse and his dick's not hanging out that's you know his dick was away unlike rodney danger rodney dangerfield in the end
Starting point is 02:11:41 though that's why he wore that robe is because he was fucking losing it yeah he was losing his mind it's easier to put it on idea uh so hinton said quote i said god damn it you got to do this shit right i'm tired of this bullshit is what he tells jermaine he's yelling at jermaine what the fuck's wrong with you uh apparently jermaine's children started laughing at their dad at that point like making fun of him like oh you got yelled at because they're always getting yelled at and now he's getting yelled at so uh this makes him really fucking mad jermaine hinton says quote he got pissed because his kids started laughing right he threw his apple juice down he has a real problem with kids getting you'll see he doesn't like i feel like he got picked on as a kid and he hears kids laughter and loses his fucking mind he had a stutter of course he was picked on that's what ends up happening so i guess uh uh uh jermaine starts yelling at his cousin quote was i high was i high like that's why i didn't not show up because i wasn't because
Starting point is 02:12:36 i was high that wasn't it like i don't know what the difference is nobody thinks you were man that wasn't it so uh i guess his cousin said no uh and then uh then uh hinton said uh uh he challenges jermaine to a fight in the front yard oh my he says we quote we can fight this shit out right now oh my he says so he's like fuck that you're gonna talk shit i'll whoop your ass in the front yard right now which he won't whoop your ass fought bernard hopkins beat him twice right don't do that hinton's trying to be like, I brought you into this world. I'll take you out. He's trying to do that old man shit there. So Hinton then says, quote, instead of fighting me, he went to get the pistol.
Starting point is 02:13:15 Oh, boy. So this is a bad thing here. Over not showing up to the gym. Yeah. And Hinton says that's when Taylor, quote, popped off, is the way he put it. He says, quote, he comes out with a pistol and I said, what the fuck? And he told me, N-word. Well, no need to say that.
Starting point is 02:13:33 We got it. N-word, I'll kill you and your motherfucking son, is what he says. Hinton's son ran away. Yeah, not me. Yeah, and Taylor gave chase as they both ran away and fired his 38 five times at them. Wow. Hitting Clinton, hitting Hinton five fucking times. He got him with all of them. Hit him fucking five times.
Starting point is 02:13:54 My Christ. Hinton says, quote, he hit me the first time and I was in shock. I was like, damn, this motherfucker shot me. He said, I was running to get away. Damn, this motherfucker shot me. Pretty good quote. What the fuck? I love that love that too but he was shot and he laid there uh uh police came uh they said that he that taylor was quote very cooperative with investigators very polite yeah uh they described him as calm and there was absolutely no difficulties with him at all well Well, no. He already said, thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. I'm Jermaine Taylor.
Starting point is 02:14:26 So this is fucking nuts, man. Five shots from a.38. That's what a.38 holds. He emptied a.38 into his cousin in the front yard because he didn't show up to the gym. And then he went back to the phone and told the cops, come get him before I kill him. Before I kill this motherfucker. I'm going to reload. Yeah. Unreal. Unreal. That. I'm going to reload. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:14:46 Unreal. That's what he was in there. He was in there getting more bullets just in case he crawled his way back. Ridiculous. The police statement here said, quote, Mr. Taylor's cousin and another individual came to his residence and there was some sort of altercation. At some point, Mr. Taylor retrieved a handgun and fired several rounds. His cousin was struck
Starting point is 02:15:05 multiple times uh the cousin is alive and in serious condition at an area area hospital he has pretty serious injuries the other person was not struck but mr taylor had fired uh several rounds and missed at that guy too so he reloaded and then shot at the sun and so he was he was working it uh yeah he said that uh he was very calm no difficulties though obvious jesus christ firing at your kin like that fuck man that's fucked up jesus he was taken into custody yeah and booked into the pulaski county regional detention facility and charged with uh first degree domestic battery because it's your family member at your house i guess in arkansas attempted murder
Starting point is 02:15:46 his first degree and aggravated assault okay that's not enough i don't think you tried to kill a motherfucker that's a lot of rounds you told the police that's what you were gonna do yeah hinton was in serious condition at the hospital the whole deal he had several surgeries uh taylor appeared in a video for his initial court appearance. He entered a not guilty plea. Like we said, the preliminary charges there. He's freed on $25,000 bond, and they set him off into the night. He didn't speak as he left the jail.
Starting point is 02:16:17 There was reporters there, obviously, because he's Mr. Arkansas. He's the Arkansan of the year, for God's sake. He's Mr. Arkansas. He's the Arkansan of the year, for God's sake. The district judge also granted a defense request for Jermaine to be able to travel out of state and train and fight because he's got a fight coming up against a guy named Sam Solomon. Because if there's anything he needs, it's more blows to the head. You're damn right. Needs it. Now, this is weeks after he made a deal to fight here.
Starting point is 02:16:44 They're wondering if the fight's going to happen now yeah uh they said quote espn had a commit had committed to carry the fight and was working toward a contractual agreement we are now reviewing the situation we'll make a decision once more details emerge so now they're not even sure if they're going to have this fucking fight uh now while they're waiting for trial the ib IBF, Boxing Federation here, is going to allow him to still challenge Sam Solomon for the middleweight title. They're like, it's all right. He's awaiting trial. He's going to make some money.
Starting point is 02:17:13 You know what? Maybe during the trial was happening, we couldn't take a day off to box. But he's awaiting trial. He has nothing better to do in the meantime. What's he going to do? Write legal briefs? He's a fucking boxer with brain damage. from trial so he'll fight he's on vacation from himself right he's like what about bob so uh if you did a great movie that's my oh
Starting point is 02:17:35 my god movies vacation from myself i got an idea why don't you remake it with someone who's not bill murray that'll be a good idea. Stop making fucking comedy movies. Stop making anything with Bill Murray. I hear all these Bill Murray movies are going to be remade and people say you were an asshole and a misogynist if you didn't like the new Ghostbusters. No. And it's not their
Starting point is 02:17:58 fault. It's not the fine, funny women who are in the movie. That's not their fucking fault. You can't make a piece of shit good. You're not Bill Murray. There's a certain chemistry that fucking bill murray and dan akroyd and harold ramis have together that you're never going to duplicate with any three people because that's their vibe and you can't remake and you can't do murray movies why don't people like them why don't we remake the jerk i'm sure it'll be hilarious. Let's remake all the Steve Martin. It will never be. They made The Jerk 2.
Starting point is 02:18:26 Did you know that? A jerk sequel? There was a jerk sequel in 1984 called The Jerk 2. I'm not watching. T-O-O. No. And it is not Steve Martin. Who is it?
Starting point is 02:18:34 They got some dingus fucking asshole comedic actor tries to play Steve Martin. You can't do that. And it's the worst piece of shit ever. So it doesn't matter who you have. It's not the original. So stop fucking doing it. You can't remake magic. No. And that's the worst piece of shit ever. So it doesn't matter who you have. It's not the original. So stop fucking doing it. You can't remake magic. No, and that's the thing.
Starting point is 02:18:48 And when you have someone like Bill Murray, it might not even be a great movie. It's great because fucking Bill Murray makes it great. That's the thing. Stripes isn't a well-written, wonderful movie, but it's got Bill Murray and John Candy and Judge Reinhold and all these amazing fucking people in it that you can't duplicate chemistry. Moving on. Harold Ramis was a genius. Fucking genius. A genius.
Starting point is 02:19:07 Fucking genius. I miss him. So a few days later, Hinton, his cousin, says he doesn't want to press charges. He's like, I don't want to be arrested. Shit. Well, he's like, come on now. We're all bloods here. He was shot five times.
Starting point is 02:19:18 We're all bloods here. Who does he think he is? Tupac? That's what I mean. Jesus Christ. I'll take care of this shit myself. You think he is Tupac? That's what I mean. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 02:19:22 I'll take care of this shit myself. He says they grew up close and he doesn't want him to get arrested. He said, quote, it's hard, but knowing he's going to be all right, everything is much better, is what Hinton's brother said. Like, it's hard, whatever. This is great here. He said it really doesn't matter what happened or what was did or said or how did it get this far. He's like, none of your fucking business. This is some blood shit.
Starting point is 02:19:52 We'll handle it, is basically what he said. Yeah, he's in here. He even says about Hinton used to give his cousin, used to give jermaine money all the time and shit like that he says that hinton remembered his cousin showing contrition and even offering financial support this is uh uh once during once he's in the hospital jermaine is now uh saying let me help you i'll give you money i'm sorry i shot you just don't press charges yeah it comes out that that hinton outranks jermaine in the blood gang that's the thing he's a higher rank because he's like old school he said quote he called me
Starting point is 02:20:31 in the hospitals uh asking saying quote cuz can i ask for your forgiveness i didn't want to kill you i was just intimidated by you he said that's what jermaine called him in the hospital and said are you asking for forgiveness going yo blah blah blah basically i was intimidated by you and he called him cuz which is some uh that's some some uh gangster gangster shit yeah so uh uh anyway so he's arrested anyway for this whole thing like we said uh also it's true like cuz he's his cousin so yeah you know he gets to call he can't call him cuz that's true that is true here uh he was shot five times four of the bullets went did straight through and throughs and and were gone the fifth bullet was lodged in his pelvis and required a shitload of surgery and uh it's bad yeah it was it was uh it was really fucking bad uh not great at all here the whole thing they said
Starting point is 02:21:20 at one point uh hinton's brother said quote i talked to jermaine earlier he is really sorry and remorseful but it does not negate negate the fact that my brother is laying in the hospital no but we're all family we'll work it out as a family this is some weird fucking shit right here like what i've never shot a cousin no i got no cousins that i could shoot and be like we'll work it out we'll work it out i'll call like. We'll work it out. We'll work it out. I'll call you. Listen. We'll work it out as a family. It's cool.
Starting point is 02:21:48 Memorial Day is coming up. I'll have a barbecue. You come over. We'll get the karaoke machine. We'll put Beyonce on. Everything's going to be fine. We'll figure it out. We'll go back to the way it used to be, man. We'll go back to the way it used to be.
Starting point is 02:21:59 We'll have a conversation. Chop it up. Everything will be fine. Oh, man. No. Put his punk ass in jail. Fuck that. Hinton says he had several bullets in his hip, in his right leg.
Starting point is 02:22:10 His hip was fractured. He says, quote, I got two bullets in my right leg right above my knee. I have to live with that for the rest of my life. Apparently, after this, he had a hard time being able to work because he couldn't walk that well. Of course. Struggling to support his kids. He had a hip replacement surgery because it ended up the first surgeries didn't work. Quote, he fractured my hip and I had to relearn how to walk again, man.
Starting point is 02:22:32 That's what he said, which is fucked up, okay? But we'll work it out together. Yes, I would say so. Now, he has a fight coming up. This is all this. Now he's going to have a fight. All right. Before the fight, two days before the fight, he releases a fucking Facebook video that
Starting point is 02:22:52 is batshit. Yeah. It is. It's cut together like a vine. You know, like two seconds of this, two seconds of that, just with the smash cuts. Right. Like a vine video. But it's 20 seconds long.
Starting point is 02:23:02 So it's like he made it for vine but forgot how long it's supposed to be only 10 seconds like shit i'll just put it on facebook fuck it you know i forgot there's gotta be two vines god damn it shit this would be fucking four it would it would take six seconds now six all right this is a video of himself uh he's shirtless in the first scene he's shirtless playing the drums at first he He's got like a selfie cam on his drums. It's right there. And he's shirtless playing the drums. Fucking GoPro.
Starting point is 02:23:30 At one point. Yeah, GoPro, shirtless playing the drums. Then they cut to him doing some other shit. Then they cut to him wearing a cowboy hat and singing. Shirtless again with a cowboy hat on. Just singing some incomprehensible shit. Then they cut to him holding a semi-automatic fucking machine gun in his hand out in his front yard and says quote i'll
Starting point is 02:23:51 never lose to another white boy again and starts firing shots up into the fucking air like he's at like a kazakhstani wedding what the fuck are you doing what is wrong with you he's in the front yard with a machine gun said i'll I'll never lose another white boy again. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. You're like, what the fuck? Then in the end, in the end, that's not the crazy part. And then in the end of the video, he's running kind of like past. Like, he's got a camera out as he's running.
Starting point is 02:24:18 And he says, fuck you. God bless you. And that's the end of the video. Fuck you. Pause. Like, he paused like, oh, that's kind of mean. Wait, I'll soften it up. God bless you. And then he ended it of the video. Fuck you. Pause. Like, he paused like, oh, that's kind of mean. Wait, I'll soften it up. God bless you.
Starting point is 02:24:27 And then he ended it. But that's how he did it. Like, fuck you. Wait, no, that was mean. After I fired weapons into the air and said some racist shit. It's fucking nuts. God bless you. He's had all this shit.
Starting point is 02:24:40 He's shooting his family. He's fucking in the goddamn uh jesus christ he's he's makes this video beforehand and he's fucking proud of it too he posted it and he was like this is the shit right here this is the one he's got the fight coming up he's a hang out in his front yard maybe he's waiting for his cousin he goes back inside there's a knock at the door he's like who the fuck is this he showed up early hinton's here again he's got his pistol in his hand but it's not hitting it is dexter manly interior decorator from new york city and he says how is it you've come to arrive here what is wrong you um now listen listen i've been watching you keeping an eye on you. Just watching.
Starting point is 02:25:27 You're very good at what you do. You do anything. But I've been watching you getting in fight sphere. You shot your cousin. I'm sorry. You shot him in the leg several times. Several times. You have just been... I'm going to say it.
Starting point is 02:25:40 I'm going to be the first. You, sir, are white trash. You're white trash. You're from Arkansas. I'm sorry. You're from Arkansas. You're in your. I'm sorry. You're from Arkansas. You're in your front yard firing off semi-automatic machine gun. That is white trash.
Starting point is 02:25:50 You shot your cousin and then he forgive you. White trash. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Next thing you know, you'll marry his wife and everything will be forgiven. White trash. I'm done with all of you. Forget it.
Starting point is 02:26:00 Your brain damaged. Whoosh. And he's gone. Poof. Whoosh. That was his wave. He waved it gone. Whoosh. I'm done with you's gone poof that was his wave he waved it gone whoosh i'm done with you and that meant that was it i have dexter manly in a poof of glitter he's just he's a purple glitter he's out of there unbelievable it's the guy he comes and goes i don't know he's
Starting point is 02:26:17 got his own schedule i don't keep track of dexter manly i he makes an appointment tells me when he's coming in and i gotta get the mic ready we gotta. We've got to give it to him. Give him his time. You're going to turn him away? No. No, not at all. I don't know anything about the man. I don't presume anything. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:26:32 So after this, his trainers and shit are trying to defend this video. Really? How the fuck do we make this sound not crazy? Jesus Christ, man. They got this Pat Burns, who's his ex-trainer. He says about the video, quote, everybody has their moments. I'm sure that in hindsight he might rephrase it or something like that. But he did lose to a couple of white boys, so he doesn't want to lose to another white boy.
Starting point is 02:26:55 He said it. So what? Had I been next to him before he said it, I'd have said, you don't say things like that, period. In general, you just don't say things like that. It's not right. But most people will make those comments. Most people will make those comments. There's a lot of people who think it's a racist comment because I guarantee you that if a white boy jumped up and said,
Starting point is 02:27:12 I'll never lose to another black fighter again, there'd be a lot of black people who would say that was racist. But people are going to think what they want to think, and they're just going to say what they want to say. No, no, no. There'll be a lot of normal people, no matter what shade they are, saying, that's pretty racist, bro. Don't say that. I was more concerned. I was less concerned with the not losing to white boys again and more concerned with the semi-automatic machine gun fire into the air that I'm concerned with. How reckless in a neighborhood.
Starting point is 02:27:37 And that's the other thing. And when you follow up a racially charged statement with gunfire, it kind of puts some stank on it, right? It throws a hate crime in it it's an exclamation point on top it's not just i don't want to lose these damn white boys again you're then saying what you will do if you do right and you have a dead you have a cousin that you nearly killed some we believe that you'll you that you'll follow up with gunfire that's right uh so uh october 4th 2014 he's finally having this goddamn fight it's in biloxi mississippi again he's fighting for the ibf middleweight title he fights uh sam solomon
Starting point is 02:28:12 whose nickname is king of course sam king solomon uh he's an australian guy uh he's a 45 14 and one career fighter guessing not aboriginal no he's not at all. This fight goes the distance. It's a 12-rounder. That's the other thing, too. He's not white, though. He's Middle Eastern descent from Australia, so it makes no sense for him to say, I'm not losing to any white boys again because this guy's not white.
Starting point is 02:28:39 That didn't come up, though. This fight goes all 12 again. God damn it. And it's a war, too. Jermaine ends up winning the unanimous decision uh bringing him to 33 four and one uh and that is his boxing career uh because he's he's got other problems now uh january of 2015 uh he is at a martin luther king jr parade in little rock this is a peaceful time jimmy this is the the whole reflect the whole parade is about peace and nonviolence. Prosperity together.
Starting point is 02:29:11 Togetherness. Yeah, the whole thing. So there's a woman here named Toya Smith. She's a 40-year-old woman. She's there with her children. She has a one, a three, and a five-year-old children and her husband, Felton Smith. They're all enjoying the the martin luther king day junior festivities very wholesome activities here uh they're having a
Starting point is 02:29:30 good time and then gunfire erupts well they're happy yeah right and then machine gunfire falls from the sky out of nowhere and hit all of them hit everybody five five shots one for each of them i've got two guns one for each of you so So apparently they run into Jermaine Taylor, and he gets his boxing. He has his belts with him. He's, like, hanging out, taking pictures with everybody. And he says that he wants to get a photo with their little kid who's, like, five years old with the belt. He thinks, I don't know, it would look cool on his Facebook page or something. This Toya Smith says that they had never met Taylor before. They didn didn't know him and it was pretty clear that he'd been drinking like they
Starting point is 02:30:09 said they had no idea who the guy was they knew of him but they never met him before and it was obvious he'd been drinking and they were like oh boy here we go oh god put this belt on yeah it's it's so weird so he's burping in their face. This is fucking crazy. So what ends up happening is she said, he bent down to give my son the belt, and he almost fell over because he was drunk and dropped the belt. And he thought my baby dropped his belt. Oh, my God. So he gets pissed off. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:30:39 So Felton Smith, the father, says Jermaine dropped his own belt. He said about the kid, quote, he was 40 pounds and he actually held that belt. He never dropped it, about the little kid. Let's find out how this started and then we'll find out how it ends, okay? Felton Smith is a big fan of Taylor but never met him before. They were hanging out. He says about him, quote, I admired him as a boxer. So he asked Taylor for an autograph.
Starting point is 02:31:04 He didn't have a pen or a picture so he he had a uh he took out smith took out his ipad or his tapped tablet there and was like doing a recording here and take a picture with my kids and all that uh he said that uh you know his five-year-old son handled one of the belts that everything was fine uh ball this was going on by the way the daughter that's like three year old daughter was playing with uh jermaine's kids over there the little kids are playing together the two jermaine and and the father here went to uh the car to listen to one of the father's rap tracks the father's a rapper uh he has a track called kool-aid that they listen to he goes by the rap name Scooby-Doo which is not original and pretty bad
Starting point is 02:31:48 Scooby-Doo making a Kool-Aid song so this is 2011 he just loves corporate America this guy he just loves 1987 this guy he's got another track called Hulkamania that comes out later on so so yeah they're listening to a rap
Starting point is 02:32:04 album everything seems great everything seems fine uh it's nearby to jermaine's gym here when this is all going on yeah apparently after this they get out of the car they uh taylor thanked him for for letting him hear the song sure said let me thank you very much then he told the smith says about taylor quote he told me put it on right now i said thanks jermaine for letting me uh take you around to hear it he said uh okay but i appreciate you this was about the music like they were so they were trying he said you're a rapper i want to hear it uh so in all of this uh after all of this somewhere in this there's the belt incident and the belt falls on the ground
Starting point is 02:32:42 after all this niceness everyone's hanging out everything is good uh at this point jermaine snaps yeah he goes nuts he thinks a child a small child has dropped a belt that he put in his hand it's bigger than the child but they said he didn't now uh smith says quote next thing you know there's a gun and taylor says y'all can't leave and i'm gonna shoot your motherfucking car up okay so that's that's the next step over a belt over a belt falling on the ground okay uh so the smiths toya uh uh the woman she freaks out at this point her quote is quote he put a gun up to my husband's temple so now jermaine taylor puts a fucking gun to this man's head over a belt falling down uh to man to to his temple i jumped in front of it knocked it knocked the gun away from his head and
Starting point is 02:33:31 it went off up in the air oh my god he was going to shoot him but i saw it he was going to kill him i had to hit the gun oh my god so this is fucking crazy uh then uh they said children in front of three oh three children it gets worse don't worry uh they said that he was pointing the gun at the vehicle as they were trying to get away from the parade she says quote he was pointing the gun at my kids so i jumped in front of him again and said please don't shoot my kids oh my this is when taylor fired several shots up into the air jesus what is he doing? In a fucking Martin Luther King parade.
Starting point is 02:34:06 What the fuck is wrong with you? He then flees the scene because he just shot a bunch of shit. The stupid part is there's witnesses. There's photos of him with the fucking kid. Everybody saw him. There's pictures of it. There's fucking videos of him hanging out with them. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:34:23 He's charged with five felony counts of aggravated assault three felony counts of child endangerment and a misdemeanor for marijuana possession once they finally get him a little weed on him throw that in there he's taken the pulaski county jail and released on fifty thousand dollars bond they put that man back out on the street they did they tried to revoke his bond on his previous shooting his fucking cousin this seems like it's along the same lines. A man likes weapons. Yeah. It's so fucking silly here.
Starting point is 02:34:50 So what the fuck, man? He shot your cousin who tried to help you, and then you shot into the air and put a gun to a man's head who you were hanging out with, partying with a minute ago. Your kids are playing, and now you're pointing guns at children. This is bananas. Over a fucking belt. this is brain damage is what this is this is a fucking dude with brain damage lunatic this is now he's turned into a dangerous dangerous person here uh so yeah he's he's charged with five counts of aggravated assault and three counts of child endangerment in the end that's a fuckload uh afterwards this is even worse here uh the smiths that family they
Starting point is 02:35:27 end up saying they have to leave town they say that there was a hit out on on felton the father and they were forced to flee little rock like refugees leaving behind most of their belongings because this guy's a fucking blood right and uh he says quote we had to hide out from them this is what toya the wife says quote uh we had to move a couple of times because we were getting messages from people saying they have a hit out on you. Family and friends would tell us they're offering this amount to find them. They're offering people money, their family and friends. She says the admits that the threats never came from Taylor directly, but they weren't taking any chances. They were having family members go, hey, there's people offering me money to tell them where you are so they could kill you uh
Starting point is 02:36:08 it's it's fucking nuts man so uh after the parade too felton ended up crashing the car uh on the way out of the parade to get away he clapped he crashed the car uh his kids are all fucked up from having guns pointed out it's a very traumatic thing. Toya says, quote, my two-year-old daughter's hair has fallen out. Her hair won't even grow back. Maybe it will grow back someday. Over the stress? From the stress of this. Wow.
Starting point is 02:36:34 She says that when the family went to the Dollar General store, the kids gravitated to the toy gun section. My daughter came out screaming from seeing the gun, and she said she didn't know it was fake. So she was scared of toy guns now uh she said that uh um uh they never got an apology from taylor anything uh she says quote we're working class people we don't have mansions or help from anybody and no and no apologies from him just because we didn't lose limbs or alive doesn't means it doesn't mean we're not hurting yeah uh says that her family will need years of counseling and it'll be hard to get over what happened. Felton Smith said, quote,
Starting point is 02:37:10 he totally forgot I was a citizen. He wanted to put me in the ring with him. That day I became his opponent. Sounds like they're angling for a lawsuit, and rightfully so, because you're pulling fucking guns on toddlers, you asshole. You deserve to get fucking sued for that. Normally it's like, yeah, don't sue him.
Starting point is 02:37:24 Anybody deserves to get sued. It's this guy guy sue him into fucking insolvency you dickhead uh so well not he's not a dickhead jermaine taylor's a dickhead belton smith did nothing wrong did nothing wrong nothing wrong so i mean he's a fucking menace now he's a menace he went from being the pride of little rock and and something that people could look up to uh to now shooting his cousin public enemy number one shooting his cousin. Public Enemy number one. Shooting his cousin and aiming guns at children, scaring the fuck out of everybody, acting like a maniac. His wife is, imagine his wife has to deal with this fucking, she's a nice person that writes kids books. And she's a smart lady and she has to deal with this.
Starting point is 02:38:00 I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. But not nearly. Not even close to nearly as bad as i feel for jermaine taylor an executive housekeeper at holiday and i really feel bad for him uh the savannah historic district uh formerly at the four points cheridan uh sheridan hotel over there in savannah georgia uh jermaine taylor executive recruiter in the greater New York City area for staffing and recruiting for Executive Alliance. Jermaine Taylor, emergency medical technician at Atlantic Health System in the greater New York City area. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:38:35 Jermaine Taylor, director of operations at Claremont at Price Simeon Group. Yeah. Okay. Education, the Florida Agriculture and Mechanical University, so Florida A&M, price simian group yeah uh okay uh education the florida agriculture and mechanical university so florida a and m uh was the uh supervisor all sorts of places jermaine taylor anti-money laundering investigator capital one in the crater chicago area god damn it not fucking around and finally most of all i feel bad for jermaine taylor professional athlete uh in the nba development league oh poor guy he's in the or on the orlando team they're
Starting point is 02:39:11 uh professional athletes a real fucking athlete poor bastard jermaine taylor you're going fucking awful awful man so bad uh so january 21st 2015 uh there is a bond revocation for his uh obviously for his uh uh uh the shooting lunacy in general they give him 24 hours to turn himself in so what does he do take off check in with the family take off nope starts making videos time to make a video this is fucking amazing he had 24 hours to turn himself in and he ends up uh in a video uh in a bathtub he is in the bath in this video literally making a video while he's taking a bath uh he has an apology let's do it in their own words what do you say jimmy in their own words quote i'm sorry if i let anybody down hurt anybody but i make mistakes too the martin luther king parade little
Starting point is 02:40:04 kids didn't even have no candy y'all need to get it together i had my little girl out there nobody had no candy i think y'all need to do better with this parade so y'all are disappointed in me i'm disappointed in you too that boy had no business fucking with us wait scratch that part but he doesn't is that what he said yeah end quote he doesn't scratch that part that's the end of the video uh he tells everyone that he needs that that's his that's how he closes this fucking thing that little boy had no business fucking with us he's five scratch that part scratch that part never mind just post it i don't know how to edit shit so fuck it i did that vine but take two
Starting point is 02:40:41 motherfucker nope that's it when you're in the tub you're a one-take Johnny at that point, my friend. No time. Take two. Nope. Jesus Christ. Then he tells everyone to please do a better job with the MLK parade next year. How about you do a better job? Don't bring guns there.
Starting point is 02:40:59 Don't come. He said even if he isn't there to see it. Then he ends it. At the very end, he says, quote, kiss my ass. All right. I love you, Arkansas. Champ, baby. Fuck them.
Starting point is 02:41:10 And that's the end of the video. God bless you. None of those. Yeah. God bless you. God bless you. Kiss my ass. All right.
Starting point is 02:41:19 Love you, Arkansas. Champ, baby, with his fist up in the hair and then says, fuck them. And it's the end of it. Wow. Then right after that, he posts a video in bed with some lady. Not Erica. Okay. Some fucking lady.
Starting point is 02:41:33 They both say a bunch of shit I can't even understand. Literally, they're mumbling. They're drunk. I don't know if she's drunk, but he seems drunk or severely brain damaged. Doesn't sound like he used to. Then he introduces her as his new wife and says that he just asked her to marry him to which she replies duh like obviously um then he repeatedly thanks god for sending him a real woman which it's like erica's a real fucking woman she's
Starting point is 02:41:58 a badass woman god damn it uh taylor's lawyer uh says about all this quote everybody is saying that this isn't the jermaine taylor they knew we're trying to figure out who the heck this is so i mean they're all like we don't even know who this fucking person is he's turned into a different human being in two years i don't know shit loads of blows to the skull we'll do that to you uh july january 28 2015 uh taylor's he's got his attorneys in court saying that his actions are out of character, the whole deal. Prosecutors are asking for his bail to be revoked. However, he is immediately sent, rather than having their bail revoked and sent to jail,
Starting point is 02:42:36 he's sent for a physical and mental evaluation at the hospital. That's a few years late. That's a few, yeah. He's facing first first degree battery and first degree terroristic threatening yeah over the first shooting which is with his cousin and then he's charged with we told you the aggravated assault and endangering the welfare of a minor times three uh so he has an undergoing a mental evaluation february 6th 2000 2015 the ibf international boxing federation strips him of his belt uh because because he can't defend it because he's in the loony bin.
Starting point is 02:43:08 Because he's a mess. Getting evaluated. So they have to vacate that title. His camp is still trying to be like, Muga, hold on. It's fine. We'll be back. How crazy is that? That he's still a title holder at that moment?
Starting point is 02:43:21 Yeah, he's still a goddamn champion. That's the belt that the guy dropped was his real fucking title belt he owns a title uh yeah uh february 10 2015 a psychiatrist uh testifies that in a hearing that he should receive psychiatric care and be monitored for substance abuse in lieu of incarceration yeah uh he says that uh an interim report uh says that he had impulse issues and a quote frat mentality, but had been cooperating with doctors and expressed a willingness to conquer his problems. They said that he should have no access to firearms and recommended that he be ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device on his ankle if he ever is released. He says, quote, if he can't control himself, he doesn't need to be out, which seems fucking obvious. I don't think I realized until right now that frat boys are that fucking reckless that's that's yeah this is a really
Starting point is 02:44:10 aggressive behavior i mean this isn't drinking in the front yard this is shooting in the front yard this isn't this is an ass beer bonging you know this is way worse this is way fucking worse so march 2015 his bond is revoked completely. He's to enter a rehabilitation program. Butt chugging. Butt chugging at the Oasis Renewal Center where he'll be butt chugging repeatedly. So March 13, 2015, there's an altercation at the rehab facility where Taylor hit another resident who was found badly injured and had no recollection of what happened. He's punching other Looney Bin characters.
Starting point is 02:44:51 That's what he's doing, yeah. A witness reported hearing him yell, why do you keep fucking with me at another resident of the rehab facility when the guy approached him with an open hand trying to shake his hand. Taylor kicked the shit out of him he slapped his hand away and then beat him severely about the head and face where he was
Starting point is 02:45:11 sent to the intensive care unit for his injuries wow uh yes uh which is fucking insane here he's gonna be charged with second degree battery which is a class d felony punishable by up to six years in prison oh he's already got problems here. 2015, his cousin Hinton there and his son end up deciding to file a lawsuit against him. It's about time. So, hey, cuz, how about ponying up some of that dough, cuz? We can't work this out together if you're going to be in the loony bin. So, just, you know, your money will do. Sorry.
Starting point is 02:45:43 July 16, 2015, he goes to court for the assault at the rehab. He pleads innocent by reason of mental defect to the battery charge, which that's the first thing I actually agree with. I think he does have a fucking mental defect. Yeah, he ends up going to court again, and he shifts his plea to one of innocence by reason of mental defect, like we said, rather than not guilty, which is a different deal here. The judge also formally requested a mental evaluation to cover his most recent case. Basically, we just look him all over and see what the fuck's wrong with him, because something is obviously wrong with him. They're suing him. wrong with him uh now they're suing him celebrity net worth said he's worth a hundred thousand dollars net but we all know how accurate those sites are because they say i have 11 million
Starting point is 02:46:30 dollars and i certainly fucking don't have they also said you had a hundred thousand dollars when we started this shit yeah yeah which i had negative god knows what and now it's not much better i gotta be honest with you definitely don't have 11 you. Definitely don't have $11 million. I don't have $11,000. The vast difference between $100,000 and $11 million, it's way, way lower than that. I don't know what they thought we fucking did here. I don't know what Celebrity Network thinks podcasts are worth. Way more than they are. They're idiots. So, well, maybe if Audioboom paid us our money, that's a start.
Starting point is 02:47:01 It's nowhere near $11 million, but it'd be doing better than i am you cocksuckers so uh december 1st 2015 it's a lot closer no shit jermaine pleads guilty yeah in three separate cases they're going to combine all of this shit that's pleased for the shooting his cousin for the martin luther king day incident the class the Class D battery of everything, strikes a deal to more than a half dozen charges over the whole deal. Quote, this is from the district attorney, quote, there was a change of plea. We are able to plea it to the court, which means the judge accepts the guilty plea and sends it off for sentencing.
Starting point is 02:47:42 So that's what's going to happen here. Prosecutors said they reduced charges to second-degree battery in the Cousin incident here. He's wondering if he can have leeway to leave and train and go for fights and stuff. It's like, enough fighting with you. You're not fucking fighting anymore here. Yeah, he takes the guilty plea after all this, and his cousin is now at court for him, the one that's suing him and the one that he shot.
Starting point is 02:48:08 And he said, quote, we hugged it out, and I told him, I forgive you. Meanwhile, he's still suing him. We'll talk about that. I forgive you. Write the check. Write the check. His voicemail at this moment, if you called his voicemail at this very time, it still said, quote, you've reached Jermaine, two-time middleweight champion of the world, about to be three-time middleweight champion of the world again. You can't be three-time middleweight again.
Starting point is 02:48:32 It would make you the fourth time at that point. You fucked it all up. You're a junior's junior is what you are. You just went in the junior rabbit hole of circular logic that's fucked up. Right after this, his attorneys say they want out. You can't pay them. He's a pain in the ass right uh they they file a thing they keep getting that voicemail yeah they're like he's not you're not you're not germane uh they said quote the attorney client relationship has reached an impasse and that we have very little or no contact with the defendant
Starting point is 02:49:01 since last year and the defendant has not paid the agreed upon retainer for services uh that's the real thing uh now may 20th is all sorts of sentencing here he apologizes for his actions during the hearing he's also uh for all these damn charges he says in their own words quote i made a lot of mistakes i just want to apologize to my state to my kids to my cousin and my family i've made some mistakes but i'm trying to come back to my state to my state he's so into arkansas he's mr arkansas uh the judge says that's all nice and dandy you sir may fuck off yeah uh gives him a 19 year sentence holy shit and suspends it what nothing 19 year sentence he got a 19 year sentence has there ever been a sense that long that's a lot to fucking wow uh he won't have to go to prison as long as he stays out of trouble and submits to drug testing and performs 120 hours of community
Starting point is 02:50:00 service uh he should he should uh he'll be fine uh that's ridiculous it's insanity uh july june 23rd 2017 is court for the gunshot with his cousin here he doesn't show up at court he has a representative saying that he doesn't have a lawyer he doesn't have any money and he's in florida so he's not coming he doesn't have any money anyway so go fuck yourself is basically what they said uh to judge rules for the victim obviously because he's like well no one else is here so you uh the they'll later on say exactly what he owes it's going to be a you know a sentencing for for that instead kelly pavlik has some shit to say about jermaine really uh yeah he says that uh taylor appeared to never
Starting point is 02:50:42 be the same as far as his in-ring performance after the two meetings with him. After Kelly beat the shit out of him. And he says, quote, don't put that on me. He wasn't ever the same, but he didn't get no shit after I beat him. He didn't get into no shit after I beat him, but he did get knocked out by Frock and Abraham. It was an accumulation of things, probably. I just feel horrible because there was a kid that was the American dream and that was really nice and really humble. Then he made some money.
Starting point is 02:51:09 Even his defeats, he made good money. And then all of a sudden he kind of goes to this thug life. It's like wiping your ass before you shit. It makes no sense. You're supposed to do that when you don't have anything. I don't know. It's not my spot to harp on it. We don't know what happened, what's behind it.
Starting point is 02:51:23 I defended him on his situation with his cousin but uh prior to the arrest i truly did from what i heard uh he got in a fight and the cousins left and they threatened to come back and get him and they came back with two more people to his house and they and they shot and he shot them that's not what happened i don't see anything wrong i don't see anything wrong with that he says don't see anything wrong with getting a fight in the cousin it escalates to gunfire. Also, Kelly, you just quoted Larry the Cable Guy. That's the other thing. Stop it.
Starting point is 02:51:50 Stop talking. He says, quote, You sound like an asshole. Yeah, he does. This whole thing. Nobody is there to know why are they coming back with a gun and a lot of people. There's always more shit behind it. So he's defending him.
Starting point is 02:52:13 July 18, 2017 at 2 2 40 a.m uh uh he's arrested again police are called to the house uh called to his wife's house erica's house apparently they were they were fighting outside uh inside and outside and uh she sprayed him with pepper spray to try to get away from him he attempted to he tried to break her phone as she was calling 911 that's illegal highly illegal super illegal she then manages to get out of the house and run away
Starting point is 02:52:38 after he's chasing her with pepper spray in her eyes down the street threatening to kill her at the top of his lungs in the street not terrific here uh also uh at one point he caught up with her and he bit her on the arm several times and pushed her and shoved her to the ground and then repeated his uh his desire to kill her in the street which is uh crazy desire to cease her life to cease her life uh cops showed up they found bite marks all over her they
Starting point is 02:53:06 said that's that's true uh they said uh i guess the argument they had an argument it turned physical and uh they wrestled on the floor he bit her he bit her on the arm and the face uh like i said broke her phone chased her threatened to kill her uh so uh yeah he's going to be charged with all sorts of shit for that as you uh might. He's also given a no contact order. And when the cops showed up, they said Taylor smelled of intoxicants very much in that case. He pleads not guilty to this domestic assault on August 28th. He enters a not guilty plea here. His trial date is scheduled for a little later on.
Starting point is 02:53:44 He says and sums up his whole life here in their own words quote i'm trying my best to get my life together to just stay out of trouble everybody makes mistakes i'm not perfect i make mistakes all the time every day i make mistakes no shit i'm sorry to my state of arkansas all this negative press i've been getting it seems like there's nothing positive about me here it is i work every day i've been trying to get uh get on top of that for arkansas champ baby it's a champ baby fuck him uh he says he wants to get back in the ring again no business fucking with us no fucking no business fucking with us god damn it little punk motherfucker he's such a dick oh he's a dick uh he says he's working
Starting point is 02:54:25 toward getting back into the ring again yeah uh he says it's what i know it's what i love it's how i make my money that's how i make my living i haven't been i haven't been in an arena i've been sued by everybody for child support i don't have it right now uh he said he wants to get a good relationship to his kids get closer to god get back in the ring and quote win me another championship to bring back to arkansas no you can keep it in whatever other fucking state you want stay away can't get enough of jermaine taylor's crazy ass i cannot something tells me his story is not over because it's really escalated there's gonna be murder there's gonna be something crazy at least more shootings i'm sure uh if you can't get enough, you can follow him on Twitter at Jermain.
Starting point is 02:55:05 That is J-E-R-M-A-N 811. He has not tweeted in about four years. Hasn't tweeted since June of 2014. He has 3,154 followers. He follows 180 people. He had 72 tweets and eight likes only. Wow. So not very active.
Starting point is 02:55:27 people he had 72 tweets and eight likes only so wow very active uh his last tweet was on june 9th 2014 where he posted quote so much thanks so much love thanks to all my peoples that was right before the insanity right right before everything fell apart chant baby chant baby fuck him kid had no business fucking with us fuck him you can go to boxing wholesale.com and you can get a set of 32 uh jermaine fail at taylor fights on dvds 13 dvds on sale from 260 all the way down to 1995 that's a deal something tells me that's that front price is a little marked up i would say it's a little heavy we're gonna give it to you i don't know for about three percent of the price what do you say that's good enough i don't think so amazon.com jermaine taylor uh autograph signed photo of him holding all four belts in the ring that's a good all of his glory uh autographed and everything like that uh price is 57 50 with 12 shipping that's so fucking cool that's a deal it's a
Starting point is 02:56:22 badass fucking picture too it's pretty fucking badass that is's a deal. It's a badass fucking picture too. It's pretty fucking badass. That is insanity. That is Jermaine Taylor. That is cousin shooting, wife hitting, kid threatening. Wife biting. Wife biting, kid threatening insanity, man.
Starting point is 02:56:35 Holy shit. Nut job. Wow. Fuck in A. That is an insane story. He'd get kids out of boxing. My God. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 02:56:43 He'd have been better off just in the bloods. He's better off being a gangbanger. Wor that happens he's gonna get shot by his cousin truly holy shit the fuck that was a mess i can't believe that story yeah i had no idea that story even existed like i knew of him as a boxer but i was like wow i didn't know all that shit happened if you like that story and if you were holy shitted champ baby that's what you can give us on iTunes. Just champ, baby.
Starting point is 02:57:06 Fuck them. They won't let you say fuck them. But get on iTunes. Give us five stars. It helps a lot. Really does keep the show going along. It's the iTunes funky algorithm. If you want to be an even bigger hero, please, please go to patreon.com slash crime in sports or head over to PayPal.
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Starting point is 02:57:55 Strap in because here we go. It's a long list, guys. So we can't. We don't have. We're late in the episode already. As you can see, it's going long. So we're just going to say the names out. It's been two weeks and you guys have been amazing.
Starting point is 02:58:06 You guys, we love you to death. We just don't want to make the show three and a half hours long. So Jimmy's going to buzz through the names. We're going to say them all. We're not going to joke about individual names. Jimmy, hit us. We have some executive producers this week. Megan Schmelzenbach.
Starting point is 02:58:19 Oh, thank you, Megan. She's so fucking sweet. Oh, we appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Chrissy Ann Costaldi every goddamn week is amazing. Marsha Frazier, Carol Hayden, Ewa Tarowska, she's in New York,
Starting point is 02:58:30 she's coming to the New York show, and Melissa McCormick. Thank you guys so, so much. Shannon Feltes, Natalia Drew, Melissa Figueroa, Max Joshua, Victoria Jackman, Heather Chamness, Marissa Wells, again, thank you. Robert Ellis, Sensei Independent Consultant.
Starting point is 02:58:48 I don't know who that is. Actually, I do, but I don't know where it's at. It's in here somewhere. I'll find it. Taffy Salon and Brow Bar. I don't know what that is, but go find it. Sarah Toasty, Ashley Boxler, Laura Sauter, Dana Bartram, Sierra Basie, Zachary Dubois, Jake Labier. He's in here every goddamn week.
Starting point is 02:59:09 Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Michelle and Michael Kennedy, thank you so much. Mike says he's not the one that we want to punch, so thank you. Good, good. Glad to hear it. Ross Olson donated, and he said he wants us to propose to his girlfriend using me. So, hey, Christy, marry me, damn it.
Starting point is 02:59:25 Love always, Rossost with a T. Marry that son of a bitch. So marry Rost with a T. Marry him. Do that. Yes, do that. You've been proposed to. Now get happy. That's all you get. Yay. We're getting you laid tonight, Rost. Enjoy. Lindsay Rader, Jennifer Lamb. Jennifer, you're terrific.
Starting point is 02:59:42 Thanks. Keep going. Keep moving. You're doing great. Susan Olgis, Cassandra Meyer, Jesse Hartman. Morgan Peterson. Carolyn Hoffman. Kelly Snyder. Allison Keller. Lift driver. Dan. Oh, yeah. Dan Rogers. Thank you, Dan. Dan Rogers. He's terrific. Thanks, Dan. We'll see him this weekend. Right. You're damn right we will. I can't wait. Rubina Bryans. I think I said that. Dana Grayson. Steven Manson. Steven Manson. Jessica Sridhar.
Starting point is 03:00:07 Fucking nope. Sorry. Sridhar? I don't know. Terry Staudinger. Heath Mauger. Sherry Jones. Carrie Jeffrey up in Portland.
Starting point is 03:00:16 That is Joe's girlfriend. Thank you so much, Carrie. Appreciate it. Jennifer Mathey. Nicole O'Brien. Kate Myers. Veronica Kelly. Angela Banks Mason. Stephen, no, Michael Bailey, Shane Raley, K.A. Keat, Andrea Ramey.
Starting point is 03:00:32 Thank you so much, Andrea. She did both PayPal and over at Patreon. Athena Patel. Thank you, Athena. We'll see you soon. Nicholas Lamjorski, Catherine Collado, Atelier Abraham, Christine Lyshal, spelled like Lysol with an H, Oneida Paolo,
Starting point is 03:00:51 Michelle Gerber, Caitlin Kennedy, Melissa Neufeld, Shane Hokey, or Hoxie, Sean Hoxie, fuck. James Cook, he's in here every damn week. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much. Oh, Oak Tree Vintage, that's in here every damn week. Thank you, brother. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 03:01:06 Oh, Oak Tree Vintage, that's what that is. Andrea Peck, Ellery Hirsch, Vinay Gandoshetno, Gangadharan, you know who you are, Vinay. Jason Davis, Gina Golan, Carla Buckner, Jeanette Holm, Connie Young, Melissa Allen over there in L.A. Thank you so much for coming out to the show. She's also coming to Sacramento. Slime Warp Vintage. I've got a code for you guys that they want you guys to check some stuff out there. Follow me on Twitter.
Starting point is 03:01:39 You'll find it there. Amy McNally, Mike and Michelle. I've already mentioned them. Christina. No, Kristen Quintiliana. That's it. Quintiliani. That's it.
Starting point is 03:01:49 I think so. Fuck. Ingrid Stock, Julia Galtier, Jane Richards, Melissa Hoover, Ross Dolson, I already mentioned him. Nicholas Nipp, Nathan Deal, Laura Cole, Ashley Vo, Ted Cyrus every damn week. Thanks, Ted. The Colored Shit, go find that. I think she colors hair or something.
Starting point is 03:02:07 Crystal Gennaro, she's terrific. Thank you. Jewel Sherrington, Micah Shy, Kat Oyala over there. Oh, yeah. Kat's terrific. I love her snaps. They're fantastic. Sarah will go, and she has the funniest, awesome, cool accent.
Starting point is 03:02:21 Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. I don't know how to describe it it's very interesting derrick hillenberg jacob schrag christina womack katie heisel uh joanne mullins michelle jolly uh tyler pappenfuss oh i don't know uh ruben buffkin stephen mace brooke graining uh carolyn royal dave hartman maggie lawrence uh josie pisinger Stephen Mace, Brooke Groening, Carolyn Royal, Dave Hartman, Maggie Lawrence, Josie Pissinger, Pissinger, Pissinger, fuck, no, Rissinger, Rissinger, Josie Rissinger, that's it. That's not a P, that's an R. Brenda L., no, Brenda K. Lund, that's it. John Strattinger, Adam Redwine, Megan McCann, Megan McMahon, Dinef Dayananda, I'm ruining it.
Starting point is 03:03:11 Megan Muhisen, no, it's Mackenzie Muhisen. Tom Berry, Shelly Greenhalgh, Greenhalgh, Greenhalgh, Greenhalgh. Green Holf. Green Halg. Green Hull. Timothy Childress. Carol Feely. Des Arthur.
Starting point is 03:03:31 Guyanne Reese. Jordan Barrett. She came out to San Diego. Thank you so much, Jordan. Bonnie Milne. Bonnie Milne. Barbara Quintero. Linda Seypert.
Starting point is 03:03:42 Kevin Tiedelbaum. Margie Kunze. She's terrific. Thank you so much, Mar Margie Kunze. She's terrific. Thank you so much, Margie. Thank you. She's been around since so long supporting us. Thank you. Marcus Rippentrop, Emilio Martinez, Under the Sea Fabrics, James Tagalog.
Starting point is 03:03:56 Tagalog, yes. Marsha Boris, 8 Ball Sports Show. I haven't listened to it. Go give it a shot. Melissa Roker, Linda Bone, Lena Fisher, Jude Kendall, Brianna White, Jason Fuller. Oh, Jason. God damn. Sorry, Jake. Jason Fuller.
Starting point is 03:04:11 We love you, brother. Ryan, Klaus von Carlton, Drakenschloss. What? He's a vampire. That man's a vampire. He is, for sure. Definitely. Cheryl Wright, Alicia Patrick, Casey Egan.
Starting point is 03:04:22 That's one of the Egan sisters. Hey, I love those Egan sisters. Gotta be. Gotta be one of them. No, it's EGA. Oh. That's one of the Egan sisters. I love those Egan sisters. No, it's E-G-A-N. No relation at all, Casey. We love you, too, but we like the Egan sisters a lot. Trudy and Paige Jones. Those are the ones that had the Etsy thing. Oh, cool, cool.
Starting point is 03:04:38 That's right. Tom Coralon, Brooks, Ben Armstrong, Spirit Gal, Aaron Newman, Abby Cook, Helen Watson, Kate Watson, Jenny Bukowski. Bukowski, yes. That was so close to Bukowski. I'm so sorry, Jenny. Kimberly Ross, Jason Langewitz, Megan Smith. She's fantastic.
Starting point is 03:04:58 She's in every week. Thank you, Meg. Thank you. Doug Hoff, Harvey Redfield, Leanne Asinides, Asianides, Aslanides. Asianides? I don't know what I just did. Abby Fitzgibbon, Tuxedo Common, Timothy Jenkins, Brett Del Simone, Talitha Hennessy, Sarah Gilbo.
Starting point is 03:05:19 Oh, she's fantastic. Sarah Gilbo donates every week. Appreciate you so much. Thank you. She's fantastic. Sarah Gilbo donates every week. Appreciate you so much. Thank you.
Starting point is 03:05:34 Lauren Demerath, Jenny Lowing, Robin Stoica, that's right, Joanne with no last name, HCK Group, Thomas Bellotti, Jessica Nica, Mary Faust, she's fantastic, Matt Bottini, Alexis Matt Bottini, Alexis DeVries, Janice Hill, Lena Namy, Zach Dubois, Ariah Strauss is in every week also. Thank you, Ariah. Emily Stamper, Jennifer Loss, Alyssa Hillis, Cassie Rhodes, Chris Bakke, Martin Edwards, Amanda Guillen, Melissa Figueroa, I already said her, I think, Jen Armstrong, Laura Blakeslee, Katie Hines, Andrea Ramey, Kelly Schultze, Jenny L. Ruby, Jill Kressel, Ashley Doyle, Heather Westerfield, I think that's right, Rick Freeman, Emily Bartram, Sarah Broom, Desiree Glover jessica jessica clark jb emery winema van zandt uh erin dalton katie joe jackson mercedes ordonez heather jean uh she's the one that nets oh yeah heather jean from detroit we met her in detroit she's awesome brad davis stephanie uh
Starting point is 03:06:39 stephanie uh tucci stephanie tucci and she threatened me and told me if I... It's Stephanie Tucci. How could you fuck that up? Aaron Curd, Stephen Smith, Estee Langlis. When's fucking dinner gonna be ready? Let's go. Get in there, Stephanie. Skylar Legg, Stanley Bunch, Leslie AP Logis, Brooke Wagner, Andrew Eastwood, Charlie Butel,
Starting point is 03:07:00 Sarah Adams, Brent Seiler, Ruth... Oh, Charlie's Craig's brother. Stephenson. Oh, is he? Yes. Thanks, Charlie. Thanks, Ruth Kama, Oh, Charlie's Craig's brother. Stephenson. Oh, is he? Yes. Thanks, Charlie. Thanks, Charlie. Good looking out, buddy.
Starting point is 03:07:08 Yeah, brother. Libby Payette, Rebecca Steckler, Jessica Hartke, Jessica, no, Tracy Pryor, Pamela Strauss. I got that one. Pamela Pay. Take that. Boom, pal. Terry Stoudiger, Chris, with no last name. Andrea Calkins is fantastic. Thank you, Andrea.
Starting point is 03:07:23 James Pugsley, Kristen Merritt, Jessica Andrews, Catherine Coase, Den Hendrickson, Tanner Mix, Jessica Shannon, Carrie Areta, Katie Dodge, Sean O'Neill, Andrew Rupp, Megan, with no last name, Bryce Kerr, Kitty McClare, Colleen Fleming, Alyssa Carlucci, Bernadette Robinson, Eileen Fleming, Alyssa Carlucci, Bernadette Robinson, Caitlin Ink, Dana Bartram, Megan Shattuck. That's the one.
Starting point is 03:07:52 That's a different one. Never mind. She's been around for a while, too. She's awesome. Meg's donated a bunch of times. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Kristen Reese, Megan Daly, Christopher Galarza, Matt Dill, Scott Kay.
Starting point is 03:08:05 I love Tom Brady. That's the one that I don't want to say, but I am Jimmy Westman and I love Tom Brady. Fuck. That's all right. Whatever. It's okay. We'll do anything for money. It shows you how poor we are. Brianna Kalinin.
Starting point is 03:08:22 Tamana Van Pelt. Maura Matvey. Yes. Leslie Chatham, Crystal L. Weiss, Ormechik, Nope. Ormechik. That sounded good. Ormechik. I'm going with that.
Starting point is 03:08:35 Last one. Home stretch. Haley Garena, Scott, no, Parker Adelson. Why did I say Scott? I don't know. What did I do? Why did I say Scott? I don't know.
Starting point is 03:08:42 What did I do? Sherelle Taylor, Rob Williams, Quinn Riley, Nicole Nicolette, Kisilef. That's a tough one. Elizabeth McDade, Chris Dosser, Jade Smith, Cale Washington, Otelia Abraham. That's what it is. Colin F. Spencer. Thanks, buddy. Lana Ring, Heather Beauchamp.
Starting point is 03:09:05 Yes, Beauchamp. Heather Bea Buchamp. Yes, Bochamp. Heather Bochamp. Stephanie Purtle. Lindsay Jacobs. Troy Joseph Graham. Carrie Doberle. Tara Miller. Katie Mixer.
Starting point is 03:09:13 Mixner. Katie Mixner Croft. Charlotte Karuba. Quan Yee Chan. And then Cynthia Lampum. Thank you so much. You guys are fucking amazing. Everybody, that's amazing. We cannot thank you enough. Thank you, much. You guys are fucking amazing. Everybody, that's amazing. We cannot thank you enough.
Starting point is 03:09:27 Thank you, guys. Truly. We mean it. You keep us going and you keep us afloat. Because no matter what celebrity net worth says, we're not celebrities and we don't have $11 million. So thank you for it. We are not worth anything.
Starting point is 03:09:39 Net worth is shit. Net worth is negative. So thank you guys. Champ, baby. Champ, baby. Thank you guys for for being there for us for doing everything for us you're you're honestly you're you're the lifeblood of this whole thing and we fucking can't do it without you so thank you so much and what if one of these
Starting point is 03:09:54 fine people who we goddamn want to hug individually one by one wanted to get a hold of a nice person like you how might they do that you can find me at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat i appreciate you guys being around and and uh the feedback is fucking incredible so thank you guys what about you uh you can get a hold of me at jimmy p is funny or you can just copy and paste my name from the show description if you want to find me in other areas just do that there you go and we're gonna keep coming back yeah you can't stop us live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week champ baby bye hey prime members you can listen to crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music.
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