Crime in Sports - #114 - Bad Luck, Booze & Bullets - The Disorderliness of Steve Foley

Episode Date: April 24, 2018

This week, we serve up a heaping helping of one of the craziest stories out there. A guy who had both the best, and the absolute worst luck imaginable. He did enough stupid things to cost him...self, but in the end, a bullet ends up taking his playing career, but not his troubles with the law!!  Be arrested twice in 24 hours, kick a door off the hinges, then have a woman that you barely know try to run over an off duty police officer with your classic car with Steve Foley!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGet all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com For Tickets To Upcoming Live Shows... Go to shutupandgivememurder.com/live for tickets to all live shows!! Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, Nashville!Try First Leaf wine today & get your first 3 bottles for just $5 each!! Go to tryfirstleaf.com/cisLook great at your next event with by going to theblacktux.com/cis to get $20 off!!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/crimeinsports   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:31 our third show of the night last i got it is but we're excited because it's crime and sports that's always fun so great it's always fun there's never it's just a good time and we can't wait and let's kick it off right now with our superstar of the evening, obviously, of the middle of the night in this case, Steve Foley. All right. He's a football player. Early morning. There's a couple Steve Foley's. This Steve Foley in particular was born September 11th, 1975.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Oh, no. So he got his birthday fucked up pretty good there. That sucks. His 26th birthday was no fun. That's the worst. We'll say. He's from Little Rock up pretty good there. That sucks. His 26th birthday was no fun. That's the worst. We'll say. He's from Little Rock, Arkansas. And he grew up in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And this is funny because we just did last week he was Mr. Arkansas. So it's odd that we keep getting these Arkansas-based cases. It's weird. In crime and sports, we seem to go through phases of like it'll be a shitload of guys from Detroit or Michigan. you know michigan and then it's a bunch of guys from arkansas it's it's very and it's we don't do that on purpose we look at the stories it turns out that way yeah we look at the stories and then somehow they're in that place that we ended up in before i always feel bad for people whose birthday is 9-11 it sucks i think have i told you that bed puddles birthday was nine yes yeah she deserves it it sounds like she was my 9-11 there you go that's funny it's very similar my daughter's birthday
Starting point is 00:04:50 was the seventh and we took her to her first doctor's appointment on 9-11 it was super fucking weird my daughter's is the ninth it was like at 9 a.m too so it was like the shit was still like what's going on and the buildings were still you know it was crazy and smoldering you know like i just want fucking vaccinations like is she she okay is everything all right she was premature and everything else so it was tough anyway uh moving on here uh he went to high school at hall high school and little and little rock uh played football i believe he did track as well and a lot of the football guys will do that they just stay in shape they make them do they do shot put and shit like that uh he's a linebacker and a big son of a bitch 255 pounds six foot three he's a big big guy and uh a big aggressive linebacker too he's a lot of man he's
Starting point is 00:05:36 a lot of man and he's one of those dudes that hits hard and was uh he's out there playing with malice you know what i mean he's angry about it some of those linebackers some linebackers just tackle you and some of those guys are look like they're aiming to hurt look like you you know push their mother down right and they're coming for you it's it's really strange uh he went to hall high school like i said uh in addition to him also leslie o'neill if you remember the old chargers defensive end okay for years really good one. I think he was number 91. He also played for the Rams and the Chiefs. Leslie O'Neal went to that high school also, which is interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:12 At the same time? Not at the same time. Not at the exact same time. Similar time periods, though, but not at the exact same time. Actually, no, no, I'm sorry. He was way before Leslie O'Neal. Leslie O'Neal was 1986, i believe it was when he uh played there in the 90s he was there long after he was there right after i think uh o'neill left and then i think two classes later foley came in and then a couple other guys who played from that you
Starting point is 00:06:37 wouldn't really know offensive lineman uh albert crawford who played for new england in 1990 exactly he was an all-conference selection all-state selection and all-american selection in high school really he was one of the like one of these highly recruited guys we have some of these guys that are walk-ons and they would this guy was like he was a stud uh you know surefire type of guy yeah i mean all-drafted all-state all-american undrafted is my favorite i love those stories i love those stories so much those are the best stories fucking greatest those guys nobody fucking works so hard nobody wanted them they had to fight just to just to try out and just to go through all that with everybody not giving a shit about you it's the greatest word
Starting point is 00:07:20 it's like being a comedian yeah it's like you start no one cares a lick about nothing about you and comic uh clubs that you're auditioning to get passed at to be regular at have already seen you yes and they've seen you before right and they're done with you that's the thing and that's yeah sometimes they might see you when you're doing when you're doing it two years right and you're not as good as you want to be and then when you're fifth year they're like yeah that guy guy sucks. No, no, much better now. And that happens.
Starting point is 00:07:48 And then you pay money to get into a contest. And then they finally like you. Jesus Christ. I'm telling you guys, if you I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you are thinking about becoming a stand up comic, if that thought's been kicking around your head, people say you're funny around the office or whatever. Our advice is to as quickly as you can kill yourself. Or at minimum, buy mousetraps and put your balls in them.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah, just torment yourself. There's other ways to do it that are less anguishing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if you're doing well, it's horrible and a horrible thing. So don't do that. Don't do comedy. It's the and hardest thing you're better off with brain damage as a linebacker uh he also played tight end in uh college in high
Starting point is 00:08:30 school as most of these guys who are absolute studs go both ways because you're not going to have the best athlete on your team on the field right fuck that catch the ball now you're fine tackle that guy then go on the other side and catch that shit uh in college he played for the louis uh university of louisiana monroe okay he ends up going to which is a small school That guy then go on the other side and catch that shit. In college, he played for the University of Louisiana Monroe. Okay. He ends up going to, which is a small school. I don't know where that is. It's in Monroe, Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Okay. It's a small school. It's funny, too. When he played for it, it wasn't even Louisiana Monroe. So that tells you these small schools, when they change names, you don't hear like Michigan changing names. Oh. You know what I mean? Notre Dame has been Notre Dameame right that's who they are they're not going to
Starting point is 00:09:08 change names halfway through michigan's in ann arbor right yes michigan i believe yeah yeah because the other one is in uh um flinter no no no uh lansing lansing is it lansing michigan state yeah that makes sense michigan state in the capital that would make sense they should but they're never calling it fucking Ann Arbor. It's not the Ann Arbor Wolverines. It's their goddamn Michigan. They started out as Northeast Louisiana University. That's what when he was playing for them, they were.
Starting point is 00:09:37 And they apparently, this school, the enrollment increased a lot. It was a very small school in the 70s. And then from the 70s on, enrollment went crazy. And it was, I think, being accredited helped. In 1969, it granted doctoral degrees for the first time. Jesus. And that was the first time it happened there. So that made them like a legit college at that point, I think.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Before that, they were just kind of, I see a bunch of trailers in a field. Getting a doctorate Louisiana that's not uh that doesn't seem like it's worth much anywhere else doctorate from uh northeast Louisiana University that's gonna be tough to stroll into Princeton and ask for a fucking teaching job there it's gonna be tough to stroll into anywhere yeah and be like I'd love a residency as your pediatrician fucking no that's ridiculous won't let you tell me what's wrong with this mouse no and they uh 1999 they changed the name so when he was there the whole time they were northeast louisiana university and then their
Starting point is 00:10:37 university of louisiana monroe now uh some other people that went there not a whole lot tim mcgraw went there really if you're a country guy I know you are and you know that. I know who he is, but his music is shit. Yeah, he's... It's fucking garbage. I hate that fucking... I hate that kind of country music. It's whiny.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I don't like much, but... Yeah, it's just... It's so hard to describe it. I mean, a long time ago, he still seemed a little bit like what real country is and now it's just doesn't he sing like shit about his kids and shit and fucking being a christian christian he has a song with faith hill uh they sing together about uh they need each other like their uncle tom in oklahoma needs rain or whatever his name is but the point is like you gotta be kidding me but how do you both have a cousin with the same name that lives in oklahoma that needs rain you two are
Starting point is 00:11:29 cousins and need to stop fucking them and they must be fucking that's true and you know what don't do just don't do entertainment shit with your spouse at all uh that said listen to ps i hate this movie i make with my wife sarah hunt we have a really good time, and it's fun. So we make fun of bad romantic comedies. Other football players that came from here. But they don't sing about their cousins. No, we definitely don't. They mutually have.
Starting point is 00:11:56 We fucking complain a lot. So weird. Other players that went here, Marty Booker, the old Bears receiver. I remember him, number 86. Stan Humphreys, the old quarterback. I remember him very, very wellphries the old quarterback i remember him very very well uh roosevelt potts i think was an offensive line or is he a fullback i think he was a fullback bubby brister the answer to john elway bubby brister i had to make sure
Starting point is 00:12:18 doesn't matter it doesn't matter he's the answer It's just so depressing to see that name on the back of a jersey. And the current Super Bowl champion head coach, Doug Peterson, also an alumni of this university. How about that? Not bad. Also Ben Sheets and Chuck Finley, baseball players. Very cool. So Ben Sheets and Chuck Finley.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And so, yeah, that's who you get there. And a basketball player named Christy Curry, who is not related to Steph Curry or Del Curry or any of those Currys. She's a different Curry that coaches basketball. I believe she coaches in college, if I'm not mistaken, at this point. I believe you. Foley sits out his first year at Louisiana Monroe. I couldn't figure out what this is.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Under the old Prop 48 system. I don't know what the fuck that is. I don't know if that's a... I have no idea what that is. If that's just the technical term for red-shirting a freshman or what it is. But after that, from his sophomore, junior, or senior year, he is a force to be reckoned with.
Starting point is 00:13:19 He's a beast, this guy. Everything, he holds a lot of the records. He holds single-season records uh he holds single season records for sacks and tackles for losses in his senior year how about that uh sacks 18 and a half in college that is insane yeah that's an nfl guy playing against division two shithead joke 18 and a half is you only play a fucking 11 games for christ's sake that's that's insane that's more than a sack of game you're killing it there are guys in the nfl i mean granted it's an entirely different playing field but they were getting nine and they're like being celebrated oh they're making fucking over 16 games they're
Starting point is 00:13:52 getting a 40 million dollar signing bonus for that and and the franchise tag yeah and the free yeah they're getting the top five average salary or whatever it is and he also holds the record there for tackles for a loss with 26 and a half in 1997. That's fucking insane. Do they count sacks as tackle for a loss? I believe they do. No. Do they?
Starting point is 00:14:12 No, I don't think they do. I think tackles for losses are different. Sack is a total. So, I mean, that's just. He's a monster. Running backs. Crushing them. Running backs and screen passes to wideouts.
Starting point is 00:14:22 This guy is in the backfield. Yeah. He's a pain in the ass. He's always in the backfield. You're putting a running back in to try to wideouts. This guy is in the backfield. He's a pain in the ass. He's always in the backfield. You're putting a running back in to try to block him. You're sending another one. You're pulling a guard. So 1997, that's his senior year.
Starting point is 00:14:33 That happens. 1997, he also has a daughter because, you know, you want to do that. Might as well have one super young. In college. In college. Jesus Christ. Has a daughter. He also set in-game marks during the 97 season uh he they want they beat a university of central florida 45 to 41
Starting point is 00:14:53 one game and uh he just basically terrorized uh dante culpepper really remembers an nfl quarterback former and a humongous giant beast of a person. Was he 6'4"? He's 6'6". Really? He's 6'6". He was 265, 270 pounds. Hard to bring him down. He's the size of an offensive tackle in the 80s, basically.
Starting point is 00:15:14 He would have been a tackle and pretty fast. And he sacked him five and a half times that game. In one game. In one game. Just absolutely owned his ass. Owned his ass. In one game. In one game. Just absolutely owned his ass.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Owned his ass. He was first team all independent, because I guess that's the league they're in, in college in his senior year in 97. First team all Louisiana. 97 all Louisiana defensive MVP. Like we said, record holder for sacks, most sacks in a game, most sacks in a season. Tackles for losses. Record holder for tackles, most tackles for a loss in a game most sacks in a season tackles for losses record holder for tackles most tackles in uh for a loss in a game with five and a half and uh so yeah he's a monster he has like like
Starting point is 00:15:51 killing it cheat numbers yeah he's got like you pumped a guy up in madden right like you went into the edit and you bumped his ass up it's five and a half sacks in one game that's insane is that a record for him it was for the school all the school. For the conference, I believe. It seems like it should be a record forever. That's so much. I want to say in the NFL, it's around there, too, because I remember Derek Thomas getting it. And I want to say it's six in the NFL. Six in a game. I want to say it's six.
Starting point is 00:16:16 That's so much. It could be in the past few years. I've been so fucking busy with these podcasts. I understand. I don't think I could even keep track of that anymore. I don't think anybody's gotten there. No. I think it would be talked about.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Huge. And I sure didn't see it. Sacks are down, it seems like. They protect the quarterback. Well, it seems like quarterbacks get sacked as much, but individual guys aren't as dominant, if that makes sense to me. There's no Reggie White.
Starting point is 00:16:38 There's no Lawrence Taylor. There's no Bruce Smith. There's no guy who's like, holy shit, you better triple team that guy or he's going to eat your lunch for you. I mean, Dwight Freeney used to be like, holy shit, you better triple team that guy. I mean, there was. Dwight Freeney used to be like that. He just announced retirement. He's done.
Starting point is 00:16:51 He was quick on the step. He wasn't that physical. Reggie White would just take his arm and bash you off the fucking line and then go kill your quarterback. That was Peppers too. Yeah, LT would throw you down even though you weighed 80 pounds more than him. He would get your balance off and toss you somehow like a sumo wrestler. LT was like a sumo with 4'4 speed.
Starting point is 00:17:11 He was like a scary guy. And a lightning bolt earring. Oh, man. And a nose full of cocaine that could only help him. Could only help him. April 18, 1998 is the NFL draft, which is an exciting time for a guy with 18 and a half sacks i would imagine he's expecting to go they are doing a red carpet this year we're red carpet for the draft why i don't have any fucking idea i mean a red car like they're like they do it
Starting point is 00:17:38 award shows yes they're having people they are having these shit bags that have nothing yet walk down a red carpet to go get drafted. They used to just take them into a back room to sit there around a table with their parents. Oh, they are making money off it this year. Wow. Like a fucking Geico event. Some company's event. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I love the draft, but there's a happy medium. Yeah. Like if you watch the 30 for 30, like from Elway to Marino and you see that. Or there's another special about the, I want to say it's like the 74 draft. This was just smoky room. A bunch of guys sitting there. You'd write a guy's name down, hand it to somebody. You had your team's helmet on your desk, and you're like,
Starting point is 00:18:16 yeah, we'll take that guy in the second round. Like no anything. And then that was too little. And now they're having a red carpet, which is too much. I feel like there's a happy medium. I like the 30 for 30. I think it's a 30 for 30 of Aaron Rodgers draft when he slipped. Yeah, that was amazing.
Starting point is 00:18:31 That's a fucking great one, too. Well, I watched that draft live. And I remember. Oh, the poor kid. I remember every second of that because I found it fascinating. It's hysterical watching him panic. They were talking about him being the number one overall pick, and then they were talking about top three, and then it just kept going.
Starting point is 00:18:49 And then it got to a point after six or seven where they were like, none of these teams need quarterbacks. They have needs. They all have needs, and they all can fulfill these needs. None of them are going to pick him. Holy shit, how far is he going to go? And he just had to sit there and eat it. And then a team that has brett
Starting point is 00:19:05 farm yeah and they're like they don't really need a quarterback and they end up taking him which is pretty smart on their part and the best thing that could have fucking happened to him to be able to sit for three years but obviously i mean maybe he would have been great off this uh out of the start but i doubt it it's just that's more rare yeah but yeah that was uh that was fascinating those things are so much fun to watch they They are. That draft was wild. I just don't want to watch fireworks for somebody that you don't know anything about. You know what I mean? I don't want this shit.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Stop this. Hold on. You're an offensive guard from Louisiana Tech, and I'm supposed to get excited about you? I'm supposed to do backflips for this shit? You're a 21-year-old kid who all he's done is block other 21 year old kids for at a fucking second tier school and i'm supposed to get pumped for you now you're gonna try to put a body on james harrison yeah well let's see what happened i think he retired too he probably i'm pretty sure well he played this this past year for the patriots which was weird as shit stupid stupid weird he was 53 years old i believe this this draft is at the theater at msg
Starting point is 00:20:07 which is not the arena it's like i think it's like the felt farm they have a few they have a bunch of side rooms that's a huge building with a bunch of things going on this was a fun draft because this was another draft i remember these were the drafts and they still were on in the morning yeah i remember setting my alarm for this draft to watch it because i wanted to watch it so bad because this is the ryan leaf peyton manning draft okay and i'm one of the idiots who was like ryan leaf's gonna be so much better like he's so much better like he's got a i mean he throws the fucking deep ball so much better than manning and manning's you know he's just now it's all ryan leaf like i was one of those guys that like stupid cults you guys are morons yeah you blew it you
Starting point is 00:20:44 blew it guys i actually said that like they totally just you guys are morons yeah you blew it you blew it guys i actually said that like they totally just blew this like i'm thinking what if they just picked him because of his name how could they fucking wow that's why i'm not a general manager of an nfl team apparently uh so number one overall is peyton manning uh who if you've lived on planet earth or in the country of america i don't know outside of america but if you've lived in the country of america for the last 15 years and at any time and turned a TV on, you've seen Peyton Manning try to sell you fucking pizza and insurance
Starting point is 00:21:12 and any other goddamn thing he can get his hands on. I think he's being investigated now because of the stock thing. Yeah, because he dumped all his pizza shit. I saw the article, and I'm like, well, he's going to get investigated that that's what martha stewart got in trouble for well she had trouble for lying about it but you can't do that that's called insider trading i believe that's probably illegal matter of fact it is and now some this is a fun draft uh if you're if you're not a football fan you don't know any of these look some of these people up because they're disasters this is a disaster some great hall of fame players and some absolute busts that are hilarious uh number two overall is ryan leaf uh obviously uh ryan leaf who if you don't know him i suggest you go listen
Starting point is 00:21:57 to i believe episode 13 of crime and sports and you can catch up on all of his antics he is one of the he's the probably one of the biggest top three draft busts in the history of the NFL. He freaked the fuck out on reporters and was a general complete. His noodnickery ran deep noodnickery waters right there and ended up getting busted for pills and forgery and burglary. Breaking and entering for pills. With patent leather shoes on, I believe, which is what distinguished him.
Starting point is 00:22:27 What the fuck are you doing robbing people with patent leather shoes on, you goddamn weirdo? He's Ryan Leaf. He's Ryan Leaf. Yeah, that's true. That's one of the better decisions of his life, as a matter of fact. Now, they had to trade around, too.
Starting point is 00:22:37 The number two pick was originally Arizona, and they wanted to make sure, San Diego wanted to make sure they got Ryan Leaf, so they traded up. And the Cardinals at number three end up drafting Andre Wadsworth. Do you remember him from Florida State? Huge bust. He had knee problems.
Starting point is 00:22:53 He had a micro fracture surgery and then never really was the same again. Number four, future Hall of Famer Charles Woodson. How do the Cardinals take me? Nice job, Cardinals. I mean, I understand they were fulfilling a need in in the fucking line but top four top four there's two hall of famers and two absolute busts and cardinals have one they picked one of the busts obviously that's just how they've done it for years even that's even the fucking raiders knew to pick charles woodson and they're a goddamn mess especially back then uh and uh woodson was the 97 heisman trophy winner obviously he was a
Starting point is 00:23:26 he's christ didn't he play to like last year yeah he might still be on a roster absolutely i will that wouldn't surprise me if he was in somebody's camp this year right uh curtis innis number five overall the bears running back total bust again uh i believe penn state he went to uh then uh grant winstrom kyle Turley from the Saints. That's a good pick. Greg Ellis for the Cowboys turned out to be a good pick. Fred Taylor, great running back for the Jackson. He's one of the Jacksonville.
Starting point is 00:23:54 He's stuck around for so fucking long. For every running back, they're like, well, he's 28. Time for him to go. Him and Frank Gore just will be signed until they stop. Yeah, they're like left-handed relief pitchers, these guys. They just keep signing them the fuck up. And they run the most aggressive way. They head down right into the center.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Yeah, Gore wasn't a guy who avoided contact like Emmitt Smith. He wasn't a guy who slid off of you or anything. He'd just blow his shoulder on you. Taylor was more of a speed guy, which is even more impressive that he could last because he was like a slasher that he was right through the middle he was pretty god if you could find a hole you could find a hole that's the thing if you if you have vision if you know nothing about football this is boring but i'm sorry we're gonna get to tons of craziness he was five like he was like five two uh he's so small no he's not that's he's not like napoleon kaufman i think he's i think he's
Starting point is 00:24:45 five six though for real man that's possible it's tough to bring a guy like i'm sure he is because sproles is that small they make a huge deal out of he's also 170 pounds and also i think he retired that's i think so i mean but when he was around they always made a huge deal out of how tall he was right uh how tall he wasn't wasn't duane starksne Starks to Baltimore. Trey Thomas, who was a great player for the Eagles, to KO Spikes. Went to the Bengals. Keith Brooking to the Falcons. So there's some great players here in the first round. Vonnie Holiday to the Packers.
Starting point is 00:25:15 These are a bunch of great players that the Cardinals could have had and chose Andre Wadsworth instead. I get the Chargers picking Ryan Leaf. You had to. You couldn't just say, nah, we're not going to get it. They had no quarterback, and you're just going to go, nah, that's fine. What if Leaf was a Hall of Famer and you passed him up? You didn't trade up one fucking spot.
Starting point is 00:25:31 Randy Moss at number 21, another future Hall of Famer and a hell of a fucking one of the best receivers I've ever seen play. Donovan Darius came out there. Alan Fenica. Is Drew Brees older than Ryan Leaf, or is he younger? Younger. Is he younger? Drew Brees came in, I believe, he came in the same draft as Tomlinson
Starting point is 00:25:51 because the Chargers ended up getting Brees and Tomlinson in the same round. Wow. In the beginning and end of the round because they were trading with the Giants. Brees is the oldest-looking quarterback in the league by far. He's always looked old. He looks terrible. He looks so old. He looks terrible.
Starting point is 00:26:04 His hair is all, he's got Cosner hair. It's a kevin cosner hair it's just all wispy right and shit he can't help it he looks worse than ryan leaf and ryan leaf it was a pill as i say ryan leaf's been on opiates for the last fucking 20 years and in and out of jail and shit that's awful and uh yeah that's that's not great ryan leaf has spent years in prison he really has he keeps going now every yeah he he's good now apparently um he see he's the type of guy where i don't believe it for a minute because he's been good now about six fucking times and it's all and he's one of these guys who's a narcissist and a scammer yeah and i feel like him going around telling people to go to rehab and shit like that is his way of of it's his way of trying to uh mitigate the fact that he's gonna
Starting point is 00:26:53 fuck up again so he's trying to go over the other you know what i mean like he's no he's no malone you know what i'm saying he's not a mandy malone situation where we're like his speech i see what happens she's not a bad narcissistic asshole person who treated everybody poorly. Her speech is to help others. She's like, look how great I am for helping others. That's what it is. That's what it is. It's totally different.
Starting point is 00:27:16 And I've seen clips of it. He's a fucking narcissist. He's a goddamn narcissist, period. That's it. He thinks he's better than you. He just got caught. I feel like he has a very, like Jake the Snake had a similar vibe to him where he's just like, whether they were, whenever they even weren't on drugs, they have that drug addict
Starting point is 00:27:33 behavior of, even when Ryan Leaf was 18 and probably wasn't on drugs, he had that fucking behavior. It's in them. It's an arrogance. It's just a complete arrogance. And then a narcissism to follow uh just speaking real quick update joey barton just got uh that's amazing got a job coaching right so that story will continue when he gets arrested and fucks up and gets fired again
Starting point is 00:27:58 we'll give you an update on that one because it's happening because the other update is jake the snake was assaulted by dy Boy Smith's son. What the fuck? One of our listeners actually was there for that. Okay. Does it work? He got us an autograph, and he was going to mention the episode, he said, and blah, blah, blah. But he said that Jake had just got coffee thrown in his face by Davey Boy Smith's son,
Starting point is 00:28:24 and they didn't want to piss him off and say, hey, did you see those guys making fun of you for three hours also on top of it? Now they get that Colombian roast soaking in your eyes. Let me tell you about some more humiliating shit. He tweeted that out to us and I was like, holy shit. Now it's like all over the place that it's like a big it's got to be some. I mean, Jake's not wrestling, though. I don't know what the fuck he's doing.
Starting point is 00:28:44 And it doesn't make Davey Boy Smith's kid look desirable to hire either. He's assaulting old men, half-crippled old men who barely can move even with yoga. The guy that looked worse than Sergeant Slaughter when he wrestled. Worse than Sergeant Slaughter. Now his hairline is fucked up. Dude, Sergeant Slaughter looked like that in the 70s the way he looked in the 90s that's how he looked in the 70s like just a bald old man but uh somebody was eating breakfast and uh and Jake the Snake was there eating breakfast also and he just
Starting point is 00:29:19 he looks like Ron Jeremy a tall Ron Jeremy a thinned out ron jeremy yeah like ron jeremy has an older brother but an aged thinned it's not like no no it's it's it's definitely like a his whole but not only his hair his whole body's wispy right gravity is just making his whole everything wispy he's just a weird sinewy dude he's got that like skinny top of the chest that kind of goes like an older guy and then it gets bigger toward his gut uh very strange uh so yeah this draft was a bit even like third round you could have got a mon green that's who was a great running back for a long time he got he went the third round yeah yeah third round so i mean this was a kind of a stacked draft with a you had to but it was like a minefield draft you
Starting point is 00:30:00 had to know what you're doing you had to navigate it well charlie batch there remember charlie batch the backup quarterback there sorry i'm having a lot of fun looking over the uh the uh 1998 draft he got him a ring oh who did charlie charlie batch yeah it's pittsburgh yeah charlie batch went around back up to the stars there and finally in the third round with the 75th overall pick wow uh the bangles choose ste Steve Foley. The pick before Amon Green, as a matter of fact. Really? Right before Amon Green. So not bad out of Northeast Louisiana. Everybody else is like Big 12, Big East is their division.
Starting point is 00:30:36 He's from Independent. That's pretty impressive. So not too bad. The 91st pick of the draft was Brian Greasy, another friend of yours. Is that the last pick? No, no, no. That's like hundreds in. He's a twat.
Starting point is 00:30:49 91st pick. And then the 92nd pick was Hines Ward. Is that right? Yeah, that's how far down he went there. Hines Ward went. With a Hall of Fame career that far late. That's crazy, right? Very end of the third round.
Starting point is 00:31:02 So 1998 season with the Cincinnatiincinnati bangles bruce coslet is the head coach you remember him i don't blonde haired adult which is a bad sign right away on a man uh with like i do know what he looked like but it's not just that he had blonde hair because that's fine he had blonde hair and he had the haircut of a fucking sixth grader he had a coif he had like a bowl cut kind of pushed to the side. It was a weird haircut, like Prince Valium in Spaceballs. Prince Valium in Spaceballs. He had that haircut, but then he pushed it kind of to the side. He was a douche.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Plus, he was a Jets coach. He was so terrible as a Jets coach. I used to love to watch the Jets lose. That was fun as fuck when they were awful. It still is. It is. When the Bruce Coslett, Rich Kotite years, they were a lot of fun. I loved that a lose. That was fun as fuck when they were awful. It still is. It is. When the Bruce Coslett, Rich Kotite years, they were a lot of fun. I loved that a lot.
Starting point is 00:31:48 He plays linebacker for them. Steve Foley does. Ten games he plays in his rookie year. Only starts one, but he's a rookie. So you've got to work your way into the damn lineup. Two sacks and 11 tackles. So limited playing time. They put you in a package that you're useful in.
Starting point is 00:32:04 Exactly. Yeah, and you're a special team. I'm sure you're running down and trying to blow guys up on the kickoffs. This is the team where their quarterbacks were Neil O'Donnell and Jeff Blake. Oh, my God. I think Jeff Blake was the starter. They used to lose every week, but I remember you'd watch NFL primetime, you know, remember, at night for the highlights before you'd just get them on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:32:22 NFL primetime, you know, remember at night for the highlights before you just get them on Twitter. And they would it was always these bombs that Blake would throw to Carl Pickens. He would just run back and throw it up in the air as far as he can and Pickens would come down with it. And they had Kajana Carter the bust running back who I believe
Starting point is 00:32:38 they drafted him in the top I want to say top three from Penn State. And the first time he ever touched the ball in a preseason game, blew his fucking knee out immediately. Like took three steps and destroyed his knee and he was done. That's so depressing. He came back, but he was never the same.
Starting point is 00:32:55 He was a speed guy. They had to KO Spikes they picked that year, Sam Shade. So they upped their team a little bit. But that team goes 3-13 that year. That was bad Bengals times. Three wins. When you sit there, if you're a football fan, shade so they they upped their team a little bit but that team goes 3 and 13 that year that was bad bangles times three wins when you sit there if you're a football fan you sit there and wonder how marvin lewis hasn't been fired in 15 fucking years never going past a certain point because before that they used to go 3 and 13 every goddamn year you're like he can never win the big one
Starting point is 00:33:21 they're like he's 9 and 7 he's in the're like, he's 9-7. He's in the playoffs. Good enough. He's not fucking 3-13. We'll take it. We're in. Jesus Christ. And in that division, too, they've got such a tough division. I mean, then it probably wasn't. But with the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns, the Steelers and Ravens are almost always in the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:33:42 They're always tough. One of them wins and then the other one somehow gets a wild card or there's just no other way. Somebody goes 10-6 and doesn't make the playoffs at all. That's a tough division. 1999, he has a son now also. Now he's got two kids. Now he's got two kids, which is he has a son with a woman named Priscilla Robinson.
Starting point is 00:34:00 He has a son. 20 years old. 20 years old. Now he's 24 now. Yeah, you're right. So that's funny. And he's in the NFL. Yeah, you're right. So that's funny. And he's in the NFL. He's pulling down dough.
Starting point is 00:34:07 So go ahead and impregnate whoever you want, I guess, at this point. I don't fucking know. Do your thing. Do your thing. Stick it where you got to stick it. His son's name is Cameron, by the way. Okay. So he doesn't name him after himself.
Starting point is 00:34:18 So right away, I'm like, all right, good for you. Maybe there's hope for you guys here. I'm thinking maybe, just maybe, this is going to be an anomaly. This is going to be a guy that I thought was a bad guy, and then it all turns out that it was a mistake after the junior thing. And then the very next thing that happens is in April 1999, he is arrested. I'm not going to say this right, so I'm just going to O-U-A-C-H-I-T-A Parish. O-U-A?
Starting point is 00:34:46 O-U-A. That's what I mean. O-A-Cheetah. O-A-Cheetah Parish. In April, after failing to appear in court for child support hearing, he ends up being released on $2,000 bond. You're in the NFL, dude. He's already a deadbeat dad.
Starting point is 00:35:00 You're in. Just pay your fucking child support. So he's arrested arrested released on bond yeah uh the next day the very next morning this is within 16 hours of this of this being arrested for this and being bailed out on two thousand dollars uh he's arrested again by the louisiana state police who charged him with driving while intoxicated and making an improper turn. This was like 8 o'clock in the morning. He went and got drunk after getting released. Yeah, got released, got shit hammered, was still drunk at 8 o'clock in the morning,
Starting point is 00:35:32 makes a fucking bad turn, they pull him over, now you've got a DUI, now you've been arrested twice in two days, which you kind of look like an asshole. A little bit. And you kind of look like a member of the Cincinnati Bengals, basically, because that's what ended up fucking happening back then all the time. Right. He ends up pleading guilty to the drunken driving, and he receives probation for it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:54 At that point, they also enroll him in the NFL alcohol treatment program, which, for his sake, would have been great if he stayed in, because that's a big problem of his big problem of his is stupid shit while boozing i know the feeling that that's what well not this stuff but i know the feeling with dumb shit you wake up and go do i really do that am i that stupid why do i own this now where did i steal this from where did i accidentally why did i gamble this right why did i gamble all that i have money, and where did all of this shit come from? And who is this next to me? Right. And why did I give her money? Oh, yeah, she's a hooker.
Starting point is 00:36:31 That's why. Okay, never mind. So, 1999 is Cincinnati again. Bruce Coslett again. 3-13 to keep your job. How do you do that? That's the Bengals for you. That's how bad they were.
Starting point is 00:36:42 That's the Bengals. This is Jeff Blake establishes himself as the starting quarterback, but this is the year they draft Achilles Smith, who's a colossal bust. Yeah. Colossal, huge bust. Do you remember him? No. You don't remember him?
Starting point is 00:36:54 I think he played at, I think he was Oregon. No, not Oregon. Oh, my God. Now I'm drawing a complete blank. Was it Pac-10? I think it was a Pac-10 school, but he was a black dude, quarterback, looked really good out of college, athletic, good arm, had all the tools, and was just awful. And what year was this?
Starting point is 00:37:09 This was a 99 draft. This was the year when Donovan McNabb was drafted and all those guys, and they drafted Achilles Smith, I believe, a spot above Donovan McNabb. Ouch. Not a smart move because Achilles Smith was never really an established starter, and McNabb was, I believe, going to the Hall of Fame at some point here. So once again, picking busts over Hall of Famers, not a smart move. Keep it going. His second year, though, 16 games played, 16 started. So he is the line, you know, that's his position at linebacker now.
Starting point is 00:37:40 34 tackles, three and a half sacks one forced fumble two fumble recoveries right so he's active he's very active he does exactly what they need out of him uh which is to uh cause the ball carrier cause havoc hit people hard make them think twice about coming in his direction because he's gonna fucking own him is he middle or left or right uh he started i think he plays some middle and then he moves uh around a little bit too because it's it is the bangles because then they got to ko spikes who was the middle linebacker there. That guy was so good. So they move him over.
Starting point is 00:38:09 He's another guy who was playing until recently. He was one of the Giants, too, didn't he? I don't think so. I think he was one of the Bills. He went to the Bills for years after that. That was his big signing. He saw blue. I know.
Starting point is 00:38:19 He saw blue and red. I saw red, white, blue, New York. I saw your brain working there. I saw it happening. So this year, the team, again again goes 4-12 this year. Okay. And Bruce Gossett's like, that's a game. That's an improvement right there.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I should get a fucking raise. What do you say? Fuck even my job. I want an extension. Extension, a raise? I deserve it. What the fuck are we doing? We've got momentum.
Starting point is 00:38:42 Listen, everybody, we're moving in the right direction. I don't know what the fuck you we doing momentum listen everybody we're moving in the right direction i don't know what the fuck you're doing but uh as far as i stand as far as i see on this team we have a bust of a quarterback uh one more win than last year when was probably the most embarrassing year of any of our lives as we could all say um and and it was the same quarterback last year so we're moving up and I'm making him better. And if we're going to, I'm making him better. And on top of that, I still have the haircut of a 12-year-old.
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Starting point is 00:41:12 judy justice only on freebie and now back to the show. So February 8th of 2000, he ends up being arrested. He is charged with domestic violence, which is not great. He ends up being freed on $750 bond. But this was kind of an ugly scene here. He is 6' he's 260 pounds a big dude he's a big goddamn dude he's arrested uh they say he kicked the door open uh to the apartment where his son and her mother live so he went over there yeah they're not together
Starting point is 00:41:59 and he kicked the door open do that that is absolutely not okay. Then what he does is even worse. He then, in front of his son, by the way, grabs the woman by the neck and shoves her up against the wall because she didn't want him to take the boy for pizza. That's why. So insult to injury. My son's going to eat pizza, motherfucker. He will have Chuck E. Cheese. He will have. So order a pizza and give it to him.
Starting point is 00:42:25 What the fuck do you have to... I don't know. And I don't know what games those two play with each other. Whatever it is, you can't kick the door off the hinges and choke her. That's not okay. I feel the game's playing, though. Because she's had him thrown in jail for not paying. And now she's...
Starting point is 00:42:40 That might have been the first one, actually. Oh, really? Yeah, that might have been the first daughter that child's a part part of the league but she knows that he's been in jail over that and she knows yeah she's gonna she's gonna fucking needle the bear i mean and who like i said who knows if they agreed to this time and then he came she said you can't take him right who the fuck who knows or maybe he just showed up out of nowhere banging on the door going i'm taking the boy for pizza and she's like it's 12 o'clock you're not taking him for pizza he's he's been sleeping for the last hour you know three hours a guy that's been arrested twice in 24 hours yeah for uh not paying and then for drunken driving i could see
Starting point is 00:43:15 that playing out that way he's uh he doesn't seem like the most responsible cat going at this moment in time and nor logical nor logical and those old uh bengals teams had a lot of that shit happening really he denies everything he's like i didn't kick the door i love by the way his excuse for this his excuse was he denies it and says he tells the press that the door has been broken for a year i didn't break and kick it open i just it just opened because it's broken and then she's trying to blame a broken door on me. This is some bullshit. His attorney said, quote, I don't think this will be going much further. I feel quite certain everything will pan out.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Steve said the door was broken. And we obviously feel we have proof of that. Jesus Christ, man. His lawyer went on to say, this is an unfortunate situation. He just got back in town to visit his kid like he always does. He did not in any way touch her when he showed up she started bad mouthing him in front of the kid and then slammed the door on him and uh yeah that's what they say happened but i thought it was broken
Starting point is 00:44:15 it's broken it's broken it's not gonna how did you slam the door on yeah you kicked it so did it just did she instead of slamming it did she push it back up into place and just kind of set it there gently so it looked like it was okay? And then he just gently touched it and it fell over. Is that how this worked? I don't think so. Now, his agent here, that's his attorney. I'm sorry, not his agent.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Oh, I'm sorry. It's his agent and his attorney. That's why I'm getting confused. Yeah, he's got his same agent and attorney, which happens sometimes. It's not a good call, though. No, I feel like you've got to separate that shit because they're going to have conflicting. Yeah, there's a conflict of interest in both those situations. Oh, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Yeah, one should be worried about your affairs and one should be worried about your money. Right. You don't mix both of those. No, you probably shouldn't. I bet there's a lot of guys that do do that. I trust this guy. I don't trust anybody else. Right.
Starting point is 00:45:05 I'm sure there's dudes that do that and it works out great. Probably. There's probably, I'm sure, if you have the best guy who does that. But for the amount of them that do work out, I guarantee there's five to ten that don't. Yeah. Like, I think Lee Steinberg did that shit. And it's like, well, yeah, well, he's a goddamn, you know, super agent guy. Now, I love his attorney adds this
Starting point is 00:45:26 because this was a rash the late 90s was a rash of football arrests like this was when everyone was like hey what the fuck yeah what's going on what is happening like it was it shot through the roof at that point that was what the whole bengal part or the uh viking party boat remember that old thing that was so gross that is the funniest goddamn so vile yeah they have what how many there were more women than players yeah it's so that's so nuts is oh god man imagine cleaning up after that uh being the boat cleanup guy the amount of of of load that sharper must leave because it has to be insane. That was a party boat. So, I mean, they had to return that and someone had to go clean the jizz off of literally every square inch of surface in that fucking place.
Starting point is 00:46:13 They're like, how did they get it under the sink? How? Who fucks under a sink and busts off? What is happening to you people? Who got it on the outside of the bow? How? How did you do that? This is crazy. I don't know how you got it to hook back down.
Starting point is 00:46:25 That's what I'm wondering about. And you got the boat pregnant. What the fuck? Well, we're going to have a little boat now. That's good. They're very expensive boats. It's coming with a tug. So he's Newman here.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Todd Newman, his agent slash attorney, is trying to separate him from the other thuggery that's going on. And he says, quote, this is nothing like those other football player arrests that we've been reading about i don't think this will be going any further so this is nothing like the ones where dudes kick their ex-girlfriend's doors off the hinges and then choke them this is nothing like that this is a separate issue uh uh yeah so this so he's he's racking up some arrests he's being a bangle is what he's doing right now. That's good for you, buddy. Bangle's going to bangle. You're being a true bangle. So after all this, April 7th of 2000, he's arrested outside a Louisiana bar.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Oh, Jesus. On suspicion of disturbing the peace and being drunk and disorderly. What are you doing in Louisiana, man? Stay away from home. Fuck, I know. It's not, well, Little Rock's his home, but that's where he went to college, which is even fucking worse. That's basically home now.
Starting point is 00:47:28 It's even worse if it's where he went to college because it's like- Yeah, because you have no ties there. That's where everyone just kisses your ass. You go there literally because people, if you go to certain bars, you get free drinks and everyone thinks you're the king. Right. And you can go home with whoever you want, I feel like. Probably.
Starting point is 00:47:42 I mean, not, I don't know if you want to. But they do it they do it so uh yeah this he's ends up being released on bail it's his fourth arrest in a year the accusation is that he fired a handgun into the air 10 to 15 times he shot off 10 to 15 rounds is the accusation count after 10 that is so many fucking bullets fired into the air that is not okay that's a whole magazine that's insanity like they're gonna come down everywhere someone's gonna get hurt by that shit like that's a lot of fucking bullets to fire you just really upped the chances of killing a little girl oh outside of a nightclub too which is the most just the most stereotypical cliche just hood shit place to bust off 15 shots into the air is outside a nightclub. Over what?
Starting point is 00:48:28 To try to scatter some shit. They didn't even know. He came out screaming, they said, and busted off all those shots. The police were summoned to the Tonk 2000 Club was the name of it, which is that's a terrible fucking name. I don't even know what that is is that like stupid tonk 2000 doesn't make sense updated like i picture like electro fucking country or something like techno country yuck tonk 2000 uh so yeah he's arrested for disorderly conduct and uh disturbing the peace black neighborhood they didn't want to put honky
Starting point is 00:49:03 on it maybe yeah that's what it is. That's probably the correct thing here. He was intoxicated. Of course he was. And apparently screaming at passing cars. He was being illegally searched by the police after he shot 10, 15 shots into the air. I believe that's probable cause.
Starting point is 00:49:20 That seems like it. He's released on $700 bail. He lives in Little little rock so he lives at home which is oh my god you play for the bangles move to cincinnati asshole out of here man i know he sucks but you're hired there you have a job there live there and towns also stop honoring people and making them want to come back there right tell them to fucking leave when they come back go look you're done here right your time has passed put up a plaque that says they have since pushed on that's it right there yeah we'll
Starting point is 00:49:50 put up we'll build a little statue for you and everything if you just don't come back and beat the shit out of your wife and drive around drunk and act like a general fucking asshole we don't need you anymore we have your bronze bust that's right uh so 2000 season, after being arrested four times in a year, he's in true Bengal fashion. 2000 season, Coslett starts the season 0-3. Oh, boy. So they let him go 3-13, then 4-12, and then they let him come back again. Think about that. That is what the fuck.
Starting point is 00:50:22 You have had seven wins and 25 losses in the last two seasons. You are done. How bad can you be at your job before they fire you? Because that's fucking terrible. Resign in shame. You do your job right a fourth of the time. That's terrible. And that's like on Kitchen Nightmares.
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Starting point is 00:51:13 was pretty good overall downs and he's like no man no and then he just goes why don't you do the right thing have some pride have some pride and resign from this and what you do the right thing have some pride retain your dignity and walk out of here so why don's just do the right thing. Have some pride. Retain your dignity and walk out of here. He said, why don't you do the right thing here for these people and just walk.
Starting point is 00:51:30 You should be ashamed of yourself. And the guy will just be like, okay, and he'll just hand in his apron and that's it. That's what they should do in the NFL. That's what they should do in the NFL with Kozlet.
Starting point is 00:51:38 Hand in your playbook. They should have been like, have some dignity. Do you think that you did well enough? And Kozlet should have said, yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. I am the worst.
Starting point is 00:51:46 I'm going to go be a coordinator somewhere because I'm not cut out for this. We'll coordinate Cleveland. Yeah. He starts the season 0-3, and the Bengals finally pull the trigger. I don't know. I think, like I said, if you did that before the season, maybe you could have salvaged a season. But instead, they bring in Dick LeBeau, who was one of the coordinators a great coordinator uh head coach he has had so he's like wade phillips basically like a lot of way i know wade phillips winning
Starting point is 00:52:11 but still yeah amazing defensive coordinator that would you know go 11 and 5 and lose in the first round of the playoffs all the time wherever he went and wade phillips i don't know if he ever won a super bowl as head coach uh oh that's right right. With Denver, he was a coordinator, too. Yeah, that's right. He was the coordinator. Yeah, no, he's a great coordinator. And those really good early 2000s San Diego teams, he was defensive coordinator there for a while. Buffalo, he was the head coach.
Starting point is 00:52:35 They were Buffalo. He was the head coach of Denver for a while, and they shit the bed. He's such a great coordinator that no matter how bad his head coaching history is, they keep giving him jobs. That how good of a coordinator is he's like but look how great his defense is like we'll let him stick with that why would that make him better at something else and he's a great tweeter too when he when they won the super bowl uh they said because they beat carolina and he tweeted uh a little dab will do you but too many dabs will undo you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was a jab at fucking Jim Newton. It's beautiful. The guy's a poet.
Starting point is 00:53:07 That's what happens when you're Bum Phillips' kid. Oh, my God, I love Bum Phillips. Bum's one of the greatest that ever happened. And a mouth. What a lunatic. You're not allowed to wear a 10-gallon hat on the sidelines anymore, I don't think. A powder blue suit and a 10-gallon hat on the sidelines, I think. And have a fucking sense of
Starting point is 00:53:25 humor too yeah and then jerry glanville tried to be bum phillips kind of and he's just a crazy son of a bitch he's like terry bradshaw without the super bowl rings of talent just like a crazy hillbilly who rambles on about shit and sort of knows what he's talking about sometimes but the when the he's best when you don't know what he's talking about he's a moron uh so uh so they bring wade phillips into head coach this they bring dick laboe after an 0-3 season uh well let's move foley has 16 games started yeah let's see so he plays in every single game so he's been really solid uh laboe's coordinating pittsburgh now correct i believe so because he's been all over but He's been in Pittsburgh for a while. So good in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Oh, yeah. 16 games started for him. One interception, two forced fumbles, one fumble, recovery, four sacks, and 34 tackles. That's not bad. So that's a great season. That's a solid season out of a guy. A third-round draft pick. That's numbers.
Starting point is 00:54:20 He's not like number three overall. This is a third-round draft pick. If this guy plays for five years, you like that that's great that's that's terrific the team though goes four and twelve so not not terrific they win one they went four and nine under under lebo so that's not great but it's better than three and thirteen and uh yeah you're winning one and losing one yeah losing two you're losing two. You're losing two. That's how it works. You win one, you lose two. That doesn't sound as good when you put it that way.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Now, Cincinnati, he's in Cincinnati here. He ends up down in Monroe, Louisiana. He ends up being cleared of the handgun accusation of the firing 10 to 15 shots off into the sky. They couldn't put the gun in his hand? This is very shady, and there was a lot of rumors of, like, yeah, he's kind of big man around there, and they told this guy to shut the fuck up because, like I said, he was booked on misdemeanor charges.
Starting point is 00:55:16 They said that the prosecutor, James Pierre, said that he was initially identified as a suspect by several witnesses, but the witnesses later said they never saw Foley actually with the gun. They heard a bouncer yelling Foley's name and assumed he had the gun, but the bouncer said he was just warning Foley to take cover, is what it was. So it sounds like he went in and he was like, I need you to shut the fuck up because I'm in the NFL and you guys live in Monroe, Louisiana.
Starting point is 00:55:48 And, you know, I'll give you $300 to pay your trailer off and we'll call it a fucking wash. Or some people that are around him that are making some money. Oh, yeah. They're like, listen, you're a bouncer. You recognized an NFL player, right? Or his cousin went and said, I'll fucking, you know, I will do drive-bys on your grandmother's house if you don't fucking listen to me. I will gut you and the honk. Was it the tonk?
Starting point is 00:56:10 I will gut you and the tonk 2000 nightclub. By morning. All that it stands for, damn it, the tonk 2000. So, yeah, so this ends up being cleared legally. His attorney said, quote, it was a mistake of it was a case of mistaken identity that's all it is uh so yeah they and they also ended up having several several more witnesses that they didn't even talk to in the initial uh thing yeah uh all of a sudden these people materialize and and say that uh that he he didn't have a gun and uh people write
Starting point is 00:56:42 written statements to you know notarized affidavits saying how foley didn't have a gun, and people write written statements to, you know, notarized affidavits saying how Foley didn't have a gun and all this shit. Oh, my God. It just seems like if he was Steve Foley, who worked at the grocery store, he'd be fucking going to jail for putting 10 to 15 rounds in the air, and nobody would fucking try to get him out. The butcher block guy just lost his best gig ever. Yeah, he absolutely did. So he fears that this is going to uh
Starting point is 00:57:06 prompt a suspension so he's very worried that the arrest was uh he said quote i'm relieved some of these guys came forward and backed up my story that's all he's got to say about him right he is uh 2000 season they stick with dick laboe in cincinnati because christ he did such a good fucking job last year why not this is why they sucked forever and like we said this is why marvin lewis never gets fired because you're like he's going 500 we're we can't fire him he won the wild card it's a tough division they just keep leaning on that the ravens the steelers the tough division uh so 2001 uh john kitna they bring in here to relieve achille smith because he's awful, this was the time when John Kitna would go from team to team to team every year
Starting point is 00:57:47 filling in their backup role or when they had like a shit young quarterback that they know is not going to be playing after three more games they could put him in. Now 12 games and 12 games started for Foley. He had a little bit of an injury. Two forced fumbles, zero
Starting point is 00:58:03 sacks, 24 tackles team goes six and ten impressive so we're slowly creeping up hit went from three wins to four wins to six wins this is a tough time to be a bengal fan i would imagine right here i mean if you've been when is it really yeah if you were born in the 80s uh there's never been a real positive time no i mean if you remember 88 that was fun yeah boomer and icky woods doing the icky shuffle and you came up just a hair away from winning the fucking super bowl being eight or younger oh time you really don't remember it you don't remember that shit you just remember the tail end of boomer siason's career when it was garbage being happy
Starting point is 00:58:41 right that's it that there was was a glimmer of hope. Yeah. If you grew up, if you watched during the 80s, you had to be a fan of Chris Collinsworth. So fucking who wants that? No, thank you. 2002 season, he misses the entire season with an injury. So he's out the whole 2002 season,
Starting point is 00:58:59 and that's going to be the end of his run with Cincinnati. When he comes back in 2003, he signs with the Houston Texans, who are a new team. And Dom Capers is the head coach there, who ended up being Carolina, I believe, after a while. Then he went to Green Bay. Or he was Carolina before he was Houston and then Green Bay. Great coordinator.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Another one, great coordinator. These are the David Carrid carr texans oh no they first started when poor david they had the worst offensive line ever and poor david car he would consist of snapping the ball and then immediately running for his life around the back field while four guys converged on him and after a while they were like we don't think he's very good how can he be he's running fucking you couldn't put Dan Marino in there and expect a play to happen. He'd had nothing. I remember watching the highlights that year when they would show how little time.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Because they did average time to throw in the league. They had all these crazy stats. And he had by far the lowest amount of time to throw. He basically had like three quarters of a second to both drop back and deliver a pass before someone was going to pummel him it's like are you kidding me and this is before they started really protecting the quarterback he got fucking he got lit up yeah he got hit so many times fucking much and now his brother is uh pretty damn good quarterback this may be the only time uh that a brother legitimately becomes an actually good quarterback when the big brother really looks like a dickhead.
Starting point is 01:00:31 It's true. Yeah, that's true. I can't remember. I mean, granted, there's very few brothers. There's very few NFL brother quarterbacks. Yeah. But the little brother never is better. No.
Starting point is 01:00:40 It's never better. No, it's true. It usually isn't, which is a weird fucking thing. It's strange. Yeah. Although, I don't know, maybe. Well, it's true. It usually isn't, which is a weird fucking thing. It's strange. Yeah. Although, I don't know, maybe. Well, not in football. Dan McGuire was terrible, little brother.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Mark McGuire. Remember him as a Seahawks quarterback? Okay. Fucking six foot nine or some crazy shit. It was awful. Then you've got. Big ginger fuck. It's up for debate, though.
Starting point is 01:01:00 How many other brother quarterbacks are there? Maybe little Manning is better than big brother Manning. Well, yeah, you can. I don't think so. I don't know. Ring wise. He beat Brady twice, man. brother quarterback maybe maybe little manning is better than than big brother man well yeah you can't ever know you i don't know ring wise he beat brady twice man he's gonna say fucking that's tough to do if you give me one game that he has to win uh maybe then i take that but if we're going for a season i think i'm relying on at that point yeah hyper color forehead that's right here uh so he's with the uh houston uh had Andre Johnson that year with Houston. Great fucking receiver.
Starting point is 01:01:26 Great receiver. He was so good. 13 games played, two games started, 26 tackles, one sack. Team goes 5-11. He is on the most miserable shit heel. The most wins he's ever seen is six. That's fucking terrible. The Houston Texans, too, might be the worst expansion team ever.
Starting point is 01:01:45 They were so bad. So bad for so long. They were so fucking shitty. It's like eight years before they'd ever made the fucking playoffs. Even the Buccaneers, when they first came into the 70s, had that winless season, and then they ended up going to the NFC Championship game at one point. And then you got the Jaguars, who were shit for several years. A couple years later.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Yeah. They're like, 97, they were but yeah they're like 97 they were in the or 96 they were in the uh the uh championship game yeah yeah you're right beat them to go play green bay that's right because uh carolina the other expansion team from it was like their second season was uh playing green bay in the other championship and they damn near won a super they did win a super bowl it was uh carolina yeah i think so didn't they carolina i think they won one no not maybe i think so i don't know i Carolina. I think they won one. No. No, maybe. I think so.
Starting point is 01:02:25 I don't know. I can't remember. They lost to New England, I remember. That may be the one I'm thinking of. Green. Was Green on that team? I believe that was the, what's his name, the quarterback? Jake DeLome.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Jake DeLome. There you go. Yeah, that was a nightmare. Yeah. God, I hate the Patriots. Anyway, I hate recalling them winning shit. So 2004, he ends up in San Diego under coach Marty Schottenheimer, who's an old pro all through the 80s with Kansas City going 11-5
Starting point is 01:02:54 and getting knocked out in the first round every year. That's kind of his thing. This was the team. Drew Brees was young. Drew Brees was their star. Doug Flutie was the backup, is crazy that doug flutie was still playing doug flutie's first year was 86 was it really yeah he grew 85 was his last year in college that was that big bomb against uh miami and all that was 85 86 he came into the nfl and
Starting point is 01:03:16 went to the usfl that was 86 so this is 2004 and he's still goddamn playing at five foot eight quarterback such a small dude so ridiculous or 510 5'10", whatever the hell he was. I think he was smaller than that, though. Also, this is the year they drafted Phillip Rivers, though, so this was... So they're planning on an escape, right? This was, yeah, Flutie was just playing out his last year, and then they were thinking about Shikkan and Breeze, and this is when he ended up, I believe, the next year, 2005, is when he went to New Orleans, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl with him there.
Starting point is 01:03:46 One of my favorite jokes about the Sklar brothers tell a joke about the iPhone and how bad its charger is, and then they say the only charger worse than the iPhone's charger is Philip Rivers. I fucking hate that man. I can't stand him. He looks like an asshole. Is that that look on his face?
Starting point is 01:04:04 He's such a fucking arrogant dick. Right. Like he's like the country club kid in an 80s movie. You know what I mean? But he doesn't swear. That's it. Like he's super Christian. I hate that.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Which makes it even worse. Somebody that doesn't swear ever. I don't trust you. Yeah. They got shit. Period. I do not trust a man who doesn't swear. I just don't. I have said this a period yeah i do not trust a man who doesn't swear right i just
Starting point is 01:04:25 don't i have said this a hundred times this is like my thing if you're an adult yeah and you never curse right you're a pedophile i'm sorry you are 100 a fucking pedophile there's something behind the door somewhere and if you're gonna tell me you're an adult you don't curse you want to fuck kids even if you're not currently doing it it's in your mind you will fuck a kid at some point or you'll at least have some kiddie porn or some weird shit because oh my god normal right that shit that's the guy who's there 20 minutes early with orange slices going come on darn it all kids let's do this no but i want a kid who's like oh i want a dude who's like oh fuck man i'm so hungover i think his favorite
Starting point is 01:04:59 word is daggone i think i think that's philip river saying fucking don't oh that bothers don't do that philip oh that kills me philip stupid name uh so they had also had ladanian tomlinson back then and uh everything so this was a pretty good charger team uh it really was uh they were pretty nasty uh uh foley himself goes 16 wins. Or 16 wins. Jesus Christ. It is currently 2-56. He gets 16 games. 16 games started. Two interceptions.
Starting point is 01:05:34 Five forced fumbles, which is a fucking monstrous number. That's so many forced fumbles for one guy. I feel bad for LaDainian Tomlinson for having that long of a name and trying to go with LT. And it's like, you don't get to do that. Sorry, dude. I get that you want to shorten it. I fully understand. Totally get it.
Starting point is 01:05:50 But no, you're not LT. Just go by Dane. Take it, Rob. Run with it. I'm sorry. That's tough. Like, that is a tough one. You don't get to do it.
Starting point is 01:05:58 No. Somebody already did it, and they did it really well. You can't. I'm sorry. It wasn't like he was some mediocre middling guy. No like no he's kind of he changed the position forever he's kind of pretty famous in the hall of fame and stuff ladanian you're very good at what you do oh he's amazing but you're not yeah you're not lawrence taylor right right away when he came to the league i was like that's a little brave calling him off the bat. So this year, five forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, 47 tackles, 10 sacks.
Starting point is 01:06:28 All right. Fucking crushes it for San Diego. And, of course, they had a good defense that he fit in and could really work it. What year was this? This was 2004. Okay. San Diego goes 12-4 that year. Finally, he's a winner.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Must have felt wonderful. And when you're on a winner, look how much your stats improve. Yeah, they do well. Non-shit players around you. They lose the wild card game after going 12-4 in true Schottenheimer fashion. Just like he did forever with the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Jets 20-17, which is awful. Just goddamn awful.
Starting point is 01:07:04 March of 2005, 2005 though based on his tremendous performance i mean honestly his performance has been fantastic can't beat it the chargers signed him to a three-year contract extension okay uh through 2009 worth about 10 million dollars my christ including a uh an over three million dollar signing bonus fantastic so he has fucking made it he can afford to live in san diego he can afford to live in san diego he can afford to pay his child support he has actually become like a top-notch secure right that's a lot of fucking money and to be handed that much money grace yeah this is grace i would say right here he was just on a winner uh it can only go downhill from
Starting point is 01:07:45 here just made the playoffs and got a big contract yeah and it's over that's the end of it it's nothing but shit from here jesus holy terrible isn't it this is an idiot this is a crime and sport true crime and sports arc right here man that's depressing it really is you want him to do better than that but that's essentially what i mean granted he played in other cities but that's like anybody that has a big money-making career there that's basically grace there too yeah no as soon as you get a big grace that's it yeah anybody in san diego you've never won even if it's yeah even if your life is great like jerry seinfeld at the end of seinfeld you, you'd go, grace on that story.
Starting point is 01:08:26 Even though Comedians in Cars is huge and he's made the B movie and he's gone into all this shit, still grace. It's a billion dollars. Yeah, you just top most popular sitcom at the time. That's grace, I would say, at that point. So 2005 San Diego season, he is hampered from training camp on with an abdominal injury. He plays through it most of the time. He starts 13 games and plays in 13 games despite the injury. Do they say what it is?
Starting point is 01:08:50 Is it like a fucking hernia? No, it's some kind of weird. Like a strain muscle? It's some kind of one of those weird muscle. I think he might have had a tear early on and it never healed right and just had a problem all year long. So he starts 13 games, but the injury affects his numbers. One fumble recovery, 27 tackles, four and a half sacks.
Starting point is 01:09:09 You got to let that heal, bro. Yeah, and he wasn't playing, you know, he would come out a lot. He wasn't playing full time as much anymore. So just because of the injury. Team goes nine and seven that year. So go from 12 and four to nine and seven. I remember that drop off. People were pissed. They wanted Schottenheimer's fucking head for that. seven that year so uh go from 12 and four to nine and seven i remember that drop off people were
Starting point is 01:09:25 pissed yeah uh they wanted schottenheimer's fucking head for that that's i remember that that's even in san diego even as laid back as they were they were like okay that's enough now this is fucked up we're not the bengals here did he go from san diego to kansas city no no kansas city to there yeah uh he i remember he was kansas city and then he was in the booth like he was an announcer for like a year or two as they all are after they came back and he was so san diego was when he screamed the most then oh yeah that was his bitching phase yeah yeah he screamed a fuck ton he was always screaming in san diego even when things were going well he was screaming like he was just angry. It's 9 and 7 and room to scream.
Starting point is 01:10:06 April 22, 2006, Foley is arrested for investigation of public intoxication, resisting arrest, and battery on a police officer following an early morning scuffle with at least three officers in Universal City. Oh, my God. Why are you fighting three police officers in the middle of the night battery of a police officer i could see that you like get the fuck off me three of them three just give up and see what they want that would be my suggestion to you stop see what they want because they're going to take what they want anyway at that point and then go on from there uh he didn't do that he uh injured three officers in the melee which is uh they tend to look down upon that a little bit that's that will get you they get a little angry
Starting point is 01:10:51 they're not thrilled about it they're not thrilled about that uh they try to arrest him outside of uh the la jolla high la jolla hyatt uh aventine hotel for being drunk in public nice place a nice place uh prosecutors at the end of the whole thing decide not to file felony charges in the case yeah how yeah how do you know okay if i go out right now we're in a hotel as a matter of fact uh yeah we're not in a hyatt i should say but we're not in that we're in a hotel if i go downstairs downtown place downtown seattle close to the venue if i go downstairs right now if I first I drink half a bottle of whiskey, and then I go out downstairs, start acting a fucking fool, three cops show up, I injure them.
Starting point is 01:11:33 All three. All three of them. While they try to arrest me, and I say, fuck no. First of all, I'd be shocked if I wasn't shot. And second of all, I would expect charges to be filed for that. At minimum felony. At least some sort of assault on an officer. There's something coming from that.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Here's the other part, is that he is in La Jolla, like the whitest town of San Diego. He's a giant black dude fighting with the cops. How did he not get shot? He's lucky. Throwing punches. Fuck. Tossing. Apparently he was like tossing them around.
Starting point is 01:12:01 They were coming at him. He's huge and strong and jacked and fucking, you know draws the crowd that will uh get some attention here i can't believe though this doesn't get to file holy shit uh now uh this is uh interesting here for september 2nd 2006 so same year uh there uh he he goes out for a night on the town in san diego uh he is uh he's at the inlamp District down there. We've been there. We've been there. It's awful.
Starting point is 01:12:29 We have food down there. Yeah, not a great place. Employees of a bar down there said Foley was drinking there for about three and a half hours, which is a long time to be drinking. That'll start some issues. One bartender indicated he was obviously buzzed, and this bartender said that he would not have been comfortable getting a ride home from him it's like well you were the one giving he said
Starting point is 01:12:49 yeah i wouldn't take a ride home from him we'll put it that way like fuck maybe you should have not served him more i don't know this fucked up yeah this is on you dude uh so uh the lights came on at the bar and as soon you know it's closing time lights came on soon as they came on holy foley started hitting on any female that he could find uh waitresses especially he didn't go ugly early who especially okay i've worked at bars at two o'clock in the morning or wherever the bars close in your city uh when those fucking lights come on the people that work there the last thing they want to do is talk to and fuck somebody from that bar maybe in another employee but not some drunk dude they want you the fuck out so they can get
Starting point is 01:13:31 the fuck out and go home that's especially if you're loaded they have no patience they're dull with shit all night you've been a nuisance to them for the last three and a half hours like now you're gonna be like hey baby You probably grabbed a couple asses. You don't remember. You've started some shit. You're a fucking idiot. So he hits on one of the waitresses. She doesn't want it, obviously.
Starting point is 01:13:53 She's not into him. She's tired. She's tired. She wants to go home. She's probably got two kids or some shit. She's like, I got to fucking go. My mother's got the kids. Okay.
Starting point is 01:14:02 Can we not do this? She said that Fo was uh foley was impaired and seemed to be swaying back and forth yeah and she could tell from a distance that he was drunk i love those guys yeah he's like across the room drunk we're like this fucking guy like the guy that wanted you to fix his strap today that guy was swaying so much we're standing outside a sidewalk on the side room of the club in seattle where we played and we're waiting for the first show to start or second show i don't even remember i'm so tired it was the first i slept for two hours last night it may
Starting point is 01:14:33 have been the second so that tells you where we're at now that was a long time ago yeah the last time my eyes were closed was not recent oh boy so uh yeah these this guy comes up we're standing outside and it's me and jimmy and a friend of ours from that we know from the phoenix comedy scene that lives in seattle now we're all talking and uh this guy just stops and he's got like a messenger bag and i wear a message he's fucked up like he's on a boat yeah, and he just stops and looks at me and he goes, would you mind fixing my strap on the messenger bag? And I'm like, huh? You want to cross your chest, bro. The way he said it, though, was like he didn't say it like aggressive.
Starting point is 01:15:17 But he also didn't give instructions enough to understand what he wanted. But he said it so pathetic that I wanted to help him. So I'm like i guess i don't fucking i'm gonna fix a grown man's strap now but he seems so helpless and childlike and we tried to we're like i don't know how you do you looked in you're like i don't know how this works and he's like and he had it like switched up in the back it was twisted and the padding thing wasn't on the shoulder it was a goddamn disaster but any that's what he was looking for was for the shoulder pad yes to be moved up to his shoulder which is in arm's reach on his own fucking chest when he stopped three strangers outside of a venue visibly drunk visibly drunk
Starting point is 01:15:56 that's that's the level that foley's at at the moment for a favor so wow can you help now while he's hitting on every waitress he could find he has a woman there with him he had called a lisa marie gott uh who we'll talk definitely about for a little bit here earlier in the evening and asked him to meet her and asked her to meet him there yeah so he's got someone here already hooked up like he called a date and she came and now she's still trying he's trying to hook up with waitresses and this is like they had met five days earlier at a restaurant. So this is just some chick he met. Got her.
Starting point is 01:16:29 Got her digits. Yeah. Called her up and was like, hey, I'm out right now. Why don't you come out and meet me? She came out. They stayed till closing. Lights came on. He's like, I'm gonna go fuck that waitress real quick, which is a strange, terrible move.
Starting point is 01:16:41 It's a you've got new poon right there. Roll with her, man. Yeah. Work on this and treat her right. You asked her New Poon right there. Roll with her, man. Yeah, work on this. And treat her right. You asked her out. She's there. And that's the thing.
Starting point is 01:16:49 Don't go hitting on other chicks. I think he's so drunk he doesn't even realize. He just sees, like, look, there's boobs. Right. And he just, like, follows her. He's like, you want to come home with me? Right. Now, keep in mind throughout this night uh and as the story unfolds she has only known him five days okay they're not married lisa marie lisa marie they're not married they have no like
Starting point is 01:17:16 there's no tie no there's no tie he doesn't pay her fucking bills right they don't they're they're five day newly newly acquainted people here absolutely uh so he leaves this uh get this bar in the gas lamp district he heads north on state uh on a state route 163 yeah uh he's got a dark colored 1971 osmobile cutlass customized drop like it's like a you know it's a pimp ride it's a fucking pimp it's badass though it's it's a it's a fucking crazy ride he thugged this thing out and it gets attention it's been he's been customizing it for years this is his baby uh the whole deal uh so he's driving that he's driving and she's in the passenger seat uh now about 3 a.m there's an off-duty officer, the last name of Mansker, Officer Mansker. He's driving home northbound on the 163, same direction as Foley and Gott.
Starting point is 01:18:12 He's in his personal car. He's not in a marked police car at all, in civilian clothes. And he notices that Foley is driving about 30 miles an hour on the highway and swerving. Not 30 miles an hour over. No, no, 30 miles an hour weaving in and out of a hour on the highway and swerving not 30 miles an hour over no no 30 miles an hour weaving in and out of a lane on the highway speed limit is 60 yeah he's like i'm good at 30 really i'm not in a hurry are you in a hurry because i'm good have you seen this car you know how much money i have in this thing what you do in a car like this is you just you want people to notice you and if you're going 65 it's harder to get noticed
Starting point is 01:18:45 so will you ride 30 and then everyone's slow girl and if you swerve back and forth from lane to lane then they really notice you're like oh that guy almost hit me oh that's a sweet car that almost hit me so that's what you got to do to get noticed he's the officers he doesn't fucking know what it's like to have a custom car like that that's what it is here he's driving an off-duty police officer car yeah it's three o'clock in the morning that when this is happening he sees him he uh mansker said that uh foley was weaving all over the road and nearly struck several vehicles and this end of the center median he's fucking shit hammered yeah mansker says he thinks he's you know he's got a drunk driver in his hands it's a public safety. He ends up following Foley's vehicle up the freeway where at some point, because he was right on top of him, he was pulling up next to him, telling him to pull over.
Starting point is 01:19:31 He's got no fucking lights. He's got no uniform. He's just some guy going, pull over. Which, who the fuck is stopping for that? Not me. I'm not stopping for that guy. I'm giving him the finger and I'm fucking driving away. Eat dicks, motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Why would I stop him for you? No way I'm stopping. Yeah, fuck you. I might want to stop to fight him if i'm drunk and if i'm him i'll be like yeah all right foster what the fuck you want now that's if i'm him that's probably my attitude i got enough problems i can't even drive this car i'm having a hard time i almost hit the center median in several parked cars remember that shit so uh so anyway foley ends up speeding up to about 90 miles an hour at one point and then exits the freeway uh down there uh now this guy by the way this is a new officer he's 23 years old this guy he's not a new uh he's not like an experienced officer
Starting point is 01:20:18 we'll get into his past in a second here uh so uh uh he ends up uh this guy by the way lives in escondido and he was i guess going to that direction uh so he ends up following him uh he says that he uh he tried to get back up uh at one point but uh no assistance arrived uh that's what the and one of the investigating officers said later on this is like the official report from the lieutenant after all this foley and mansker reportedly stopped at a red light before reaching poe way and mansker identified himself as a police officer and ordered foley to pull over foley who was riding with a female passenger acknowledged the officer and then drove on okay he went that's cool see ya never mind i feel you man i gotta go yo man i feel what you're saying and i respect
Starting point is 01:21:09 what you got going on but i'm gonna go home now he just fucking drove away i really like to not be here with you yeah so at another street uh foley or uh the bansker pulls alongside foley and again is telling him pull over i'm a fucking police officer foley apparently went oh shit and waved him off and then drove fast drove faster just like man fuck you that's a direct quote oh shit that is literally a direct quote from the police report oh shit and not oh shit ah shit, fuck you. Dismissive. And then she kept driving. You ain't shit, sir. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Finally, Foley ends up stopping several times and blocking the road and acting like a dick, like stopping and then going and trying to, I guess, juke this guy out into not being behind him anymore. like not being behind him anymore finally foley after all this uh he he pulls his car up onto the center median yeah and exits his car and heads towards mansk he starts walking towards what the fuck do you want from me motherfucker you want me to pull over so bad here i am what's up bitch sounds terrible he doesn't know that this guy's a fucking cop the guy said he's identified himself as a cop but he he's got his badge on on his belt under his shirt that's over him. He's in civilian clothes in an unmarked car at 3 in the fucking morning.
Starting point is 01:22:29 So this just looks like a guy maybe trying to jack you, maybe fucking with you. Maybe it's a crazy fan. You don't fucking know what this guy's about. You have no idea. So he's like, I'm going to fuck you up now. And now he's got a giant drunken linebacker. Hightailing towards his car. Yeah, which is scary.
Starting point is 01:22:48 So he goes over to him. Mansker gets out of his car and identifies himself. But once again, his badge is attached to his belt. And it's the middle of fucking night. It's 3 o'clock in the morning. Can't see anything. Foley can't see shit. You need to identify yourself better than that.
Starting point is 01:23:04 Foley can't see a car that has lights on it. he just ignores that shit you know a dark badge in in the in the moonlight no shit uh so apparently as foley worked walked toward mansker mansker pulled his gun on him oh boy and said stop right now foley's response was oh that's a bb gun he didn't even because he didn't think he was even a cop he's like that's a bb gun man fuck you when he walked back to his car and got in his car drove away he's like i don't need you oh boy his mansker had a choice of either shoot him or let him drive away because he wasn't gonna go physically take him down and cuff him that also you can't shoot him in the back that's another problem here he'll look real bad and that's the guy just says and walks right waves just says ah shit and treats you like an asshole yeah that's what he did he treated him like he was like
Starting point is 01:23:57 the guy at fucking walmart when you walk out that has to check your receipt and you're like fuck you just blew by him and shit that guy at costco that's about to count the items in your car and he's just like go fuck yourself man and just walks out i that's that's the best that's the greatest if you're ever at costco just keep walking just walk past when they go to do it just go no thanks and keep walking they have no idea what to do but they won't stop you they can it's hilarious but they have their pen out like but yeah you just go no thanks but they're like i thought it's not a favor i call the cops they don't know yeah i bought all this shit eat dicks fucker paid a goddamn prove a goddamn thing
Starting point is 01:24:36 to you no fuck you i oh that is the most annoying thing in the world it is the membership and then you're gonna search me on the way out like it's a fucking prison pay a membership and then you're going to search me on the way out like it's a fucking prison. Pay a membership and treat me like a criminal. Yeah. What is that? Literally treat me like... And all the items are huge. What are you fucking stealing? Here's another thing.
Starting point is 01:24:53 I don't know. Maybe if you had bags or things to put shit in, too, you could tell what the fuck you bought and what you didn't buy. I got a pallet of Q-tips in this old bread box. What the fuck is this? It's a goddamn broccoli box. And I'm like, why is all of my fish and some underwear and a fucking broccoli box i have some bags you goddamn assholes i have 10 gallons i don't know why that's a measurement of pretzels but it's odd that they would measure that in
Starting point is 01:25:20 gallons it's strange that i have 14 cubic feet of cheese puffs i find that odd right i usually don't come in cubic feet usually by weight but i guess that's just a fucking ridiculous i don't know i hate costco more than anything that's my least favorite fucking place all the time i have to i will not go i sarah will go now for because the last time the last three times we went the line was so fucking long and i got so angry at it because there was 27 people standing around doing dick people handing out samples and shit and i'm like bring me up you motherfucker so i'm getting so mad and then at the end of it there's eight people line an eight person long line for some lady to
Starting point is 01:26:00 fucking count my items i just lost my shit i'm like the manager was there and i'm like i'm this is bullshit i'm like you fucking get one of your goddamn people handing out fucking pasta samples to check a motherfucker out this is bullshit i'm never coming back here they got a line of shit on the side of the line to get out of people trying to sell you time shares and wood floors and paint for the shit fuck you i'm already checked i'm already leaving get away from me i get so that's one of the places there's a few places i get so aggravated that i finally had to take myself like out of the lineup where i'm like i can't go there yeah my blood pressure goes can't go today coach i can't my blood pressure's gonna be too high i'm gonna lose my fucking mind and
Starting point is 01:26:41 sarah's like okay i'll go place is a piece of shit. And I have to. Well, you need paper towels at some point. And I need a lot of them. And toilet paper. You need to shop smart. I use so much of it. I need a lot of it at once because it's going to all go to use. It's all getting used.
Starting point is 01:26:57 That's the only thing I'll buy there. And their rotisserie chickens are fucking enormous. I love that bad they're chock full of fucking steroids i'm sure oh yeah chickens are never supposed to be that big uh so back to foley uh foley said had just said oh that's a bb gun and walked back toward his car at this point he's getting back in his car this lisa marie got pops out of the car on the other side he's had enough of this she gets out of the car starts yelling at mansker what uh something that he uh he uh described as unintelligible because she's shit hammered right uh but five days in she's a ride or die that's
Starting point is 01:27:35 five days yeah she's like man fuck you cop was like you just met this guy maybe how about the guy you're on your second date with is running from the fucking police the middle of the night maybe this is a weird move uh so anyway this guy here as she gets back in the car and they drive away wow fuck you fuck you they drive away uh now keep in mind like i said no uniform no police car no badge showing uh the whole deal uh they have a report uh of a recording of a conversation between two police dispatchers talking to each other after this is after mansker informs them that foley initially pulled over the but then drove off one of the dispatchers said to the other one quote i'm surprised he got him to pull over i wouldn't have pulled over for him so even the police dispatchers are like he's got no fucking
Starting point is 01:28:24 cop car or uniform who the who's pulling over for this fucking even the police dispatchers are like he's got no fucking cop car or uniform who the who's pulling over for this fucking guy here's the thing though drunk people do drunk shit that's true and that's what drunk people do they pull over for people that are freaking the fuck out and they're like i'll fuck you up and they do they do dumb shit that sounds like he reacted to him like he thought he was like a crazed fan following him. He was like, leave me the fuck alone. Fuck you. That's a BB gun. I don't even believe you. Ah, shit. So, ah, shit.
Starting point is 01:28:51 So, uh. You don't say no thank you to that guy. Say ah, shit. Ah, shit. And poo-poo him and just flip a wrist at him. I like to say no thank you like they're offering me a sample of food like you do in the aisle. And they're like, just go, no thank you. Smile, too. No thank you. he's off like they're offering me a sample of food like you do in the aisle and they're like this just go no thank you smile too no thank you and just keep walking they go up we just go no i'm good and just keep walking they don't know what to do they're just
Starting point is 01:29:13 they hold the pen up in the air like i want to mark i don't know what did i have to mark things you ever gone in there without them checking your your id thingy oh you're fucking fucking mental they will chase you down oh my god jesus christ like they have fucking gold in there right your toilet paper's 40 cents cheaper you're acting like you got the fucking hope diamond in there that you're protecting it's literally slightly cheaper fucking paper towels fuck you which aisle do you keep the enriched uranium oh yeah that's how you're treating it like it's loose nukes from the Russian fucking state. It's not.
Starting point is 01:29:48 I'm telling you. No, thank you. You will never feel better than when you say no, thank you. Smile, nod, and acknowledge their existence. Don't ignore them. Look them right in the eye and say, no, thanks. I'm good. And keep fucking walking.
Starting point is 01:30:01 They have no idea. Watch them hold their pen up in the air. Like, I need your paper. I have nothing to mark. They panic. and keep fucking walking they have no i watch them hold their pen up in the air like i need your paper i have nothing to mark oh they panic so a few minutes after they drive off here again uh uh foley stops his car a third time and this is in his neighborhood now he basically went to his cul-de-sac okay turned down his street mansker follows him down the street yeah and now he's in a cul-de-sac with with uh foley and foley's pissed he is not happy this guy is now following all the way to my house now you're getting fucked up you don't follow me to my goddamn house uh so then he gets
Starting point is 01:30:36 out of his car out of his car foley does and walks towards manser's car here uh as he's doing that his fucking lisa marie got you want to talk ride or die jesus christ she hops into the driver's side oh my god she's looking at her and drives slowly alongside foley toward mansker's car like they're rolling together he's walking she's she's driving next to her uh mansker then he says identified himself as a police officer, stating that his gun was real. And he fired a warning shot into the bushes. Oh, my fuck. This has gone too far. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:15 You saw him go down a cul-de-sac. Call the police and leave, bro. Pull down to the end of the street. You know where he is. Yeah. Radio it in. Call the fucking cops. wait for them to get there and fucking let them take care of discharging weapons in the man's vicinity you can jump out
Starting point is 01:31:31 too when they're making the arrest stand there and act important all you fucking want and then just smile at him as you get coffee because he's getting arrested he's gonna get arrested do that instead this fucking asshole fire discharges his fucking weapon in a neighborhood you can't just turn your gun what if that ricocheted went through a window and killed a fucking kid you can't do that 26 year old or 23 year olds do some drunk shit and he's scared he's got a giant guy coming toward him and the guy's going your gun ain't real he's got a gun it's real he can't even scare this guy with it because the guy doesn't believe it's real so he's like i better prove it's fucking real here so he bucks a fucking shot off into the bushes here uh which is like i said insane uh now mansker at this point uh alleges that foley reached into his
Starting point is 01:32:17 pants with his right hand as he approached the officer uh that's what he alleges and who knows he might have been adjusting his fucking cock for all i know uh so uh that's what he alleges and who knows he might have been adjusting his fucking cock for all i know uh so uh that's what he says uh so got at this point the woman lisa marie quote rapidly accelerates the car toward the officer and tries to run oh my god fucking car what is she doing listen this is five days she's what a scene this. Here's the other part. Holy shit. If I know a girl for five days and she takes a car that I have been fucking immaculately taking care of and working on and accelerates it towards a man with a gun. At this point, I don't even know if he's a cop. I hate her at the moment.
Starting point is 01:32:59 I would say. I would be so mad at her. So Mansker fires off two shots toward the car. Oh, Jesus. He's just shooting at the car. Yeah car oh jesus shooting at the car yeah uh so he's shooting at the car uh what ends up happening is she ends up uh uh driving she had to like drive around foley to try to hit mansker he gets out of the way pops a couple of shots off at the car she jumps a curb goes up into the residence uh into the yard of a house and strand uh runs it into a tree oh my god
Starting point is 01:33:26 then that's not enough she throws the car in reverse she's not fucking around she's not done crazier than him revved the engine and speeds backward into the cul-de-sac and gunned it like well i'll just go backwards here. It's at this point that Bansker really panics, turns towards Foley, and just starts bucking shots at him. Oh, my God. And hits him in the leg and hip. Oh, no. And Foley hits the ground. Shot multiple times on the ground.
Starting point is 01:33:57 That'll put him down, I guess. Paramedics were dispatched to the scene at 3.46 a.m. So this lasted for 45 minutes, this whole fucking scene. He's transported to the scene at 3 46 a.m so this lasted for 45 minutes this whole fucking scene he's transported to the hospital uh his neighbors uh karen lammers said quote we've had nothing but good experiences with steve foley he's always smiling except he's being shot in the street at 3 45 fucking morning except for when he's wasted yeah except for when he's hammered at three in the morning uh apparently uh he was typically they said he would always be, whenever he was home and not on the road, he'd be working on his cutlass in the yard. That's all he cared about.
Starting point is 01:34:30 It was his pride and joy, everybody said. She just ran this fucker into a tree. He does have two kids, too, mind you. Oh, that's a good point. That's his pride and joy, which makes me laugh. That's his baby. That's his baby that's his baby this lammer's woman said that she and her husband heard three shots uh pop pop pop but they thought it was someone shooting at coyotes she said yeah which
Starting point is 01:34:51 is normal at three in the morning that's not legal in california probably not not in a neighborhood i don't think in escondido it's fucking or wherever the fuck they were in san diego county fuck shots off at uh at uh goddamn i can tell you even in arizona uh they have to be physically attacking you for it to be legal to shoot them and even then they will investigate that's ridiculous you're not allowed to just shoot them because they're in the neighborhood that's fucking crazy dangerous as those fucking things are that's crazy uh now this uh they said that the this incident has made the uh neighbors closer, and they're keeping Foley in their thoughts and prayers as he recovers. Now, he, this man.
Starting point is 01:35:31 Nothing like a sacrificed black guy to bring the neighborhood together. We'll bring everyone together here. A bunch of white people are like, it could have been any of us. No, it couldn't. No, probably not. They probably wouldn't have followed you around fucking 90 mile an hour chasing an unmarked car. Not that he didn't deserve. Right.
Starting point is 01:35:49 No, he was driving drunk and doing all this shit. He was acting like an asshole. This guy handled it as poorly as you could possibly handle it. What's the worst thing you could do? I don't know. Chase him at 90, not show your badge, and then shoot him in the fucking street outside of his house. And have zero, not just a badge, but no lights. No lights.
Starting point is 01:36:07 No fucking uniform. No car. Right. Nothing. No backup. Just you in a cul-de-sac like an asshole. Claiming to be a cop. So stupid, man.
Starting point is 01:36:17 I don't blame him for not believing him. And he was only on the job a few months. He was joined the force. 23 years old. And he joined the force in August 2005. So, I mean, it's like eight months on the force. And's now shot a man and now he's shot a man a famous man yeah no fucking member of the local football team that's just that doesn't seem like a good man with 13 million dollars in his bank account this mansker before he joined the force, was a campus security officer at Palomar College.
Starting point is 01:36:47 So he's one of those guys. San Diego Sheriff's Department is leading the investigation because it occurred there. They said that he was fully, they would only verify at first that he was shot more than once by an officer, duty officer, in an upscale neighborhood. That's all they would say about him, which, fine, we'll say that. So he apparently at this point on September 3, 2006, the Chargers announced that he's going to miss the entire season after being shot.
Starting point is 01:37:17 With a broken hip? Yeah, he did. He was shot in the hip and the leg. He was all fucked up. He will be placed on the non-football injured reserve list, which means that he does not get paid. Oh, that sucks. That means they fucking eat his heat, that salary. Can he sue that officer?
Starting point is 01:37:34 Well, that's the thing. We'll talk about that. Yeah, all right. You think that didn't come up in this at all? So Chargers general manager said that Foley won't be paid. His base pay is $775,000, and he was due a roster bonus of 875 000 45 million dollars he will not get that shit over 1.6 1.65 that's a that's a lot of money that's a lot of fucking money uh it's based on the medical information that's when the chargers decided to
Starting point is 01:37:59 put him on the non-football reserve list uh the general manager said uh in a silver silver move here well he's hurting and he got shot at three o'clock in the morning but in a real sketchy situation uh let me just completely fuck this guy over pretty good uh he said quote i can't reveal all the information except that i had enough information that uh that i had that i had to make this is the weirdest statement i can't reveal all of that information except that I had enough information that I had to make a football decision. I guess that's not that weird. But he said it in the most comp fucking voluted way possible. He said, I had to ask, what's the timetable of his recovery?
Starting point is 01:38:39 We felt in the best interest of the team that he would be out of action for the year. He also said obviously this is a big blow it's a tragedy in itself as far as the player is concerned and it's a blow for our football team uh they've also they had missed the playoffs nine times in the last 10 seasons that 12 and 4 was the only bright spot yeah and that was right after they went to that super bowl where they got crushed by the 49ers in like 94 and then they sucked for a decade except for that one year this is the time when denver had pretty much six wins locked up all every year for like four or five years this was bad times for a lot of people the giants were terrible for me i hated watching that this afc
Starting point is 01:39:21 west was so uh not competitive no no no this was this was uh rough here now uh september 6th 2006 uh he's still in the fucking hospital yeah at this point i mean they they said he was out for the year and he wasn't getting paid while he's in the while he's still recovering from gunshot wounds here this was after it first happened uh they tried to question him in the hospital police did and they said that he was unable to respond, you know, because he was sedated from gunshot wounds. The officer said, quote, he's been kind of in a sedated state since he's been in the hospital. Yeah, because he got shot. That happens.
Starting point is 01:39:58 Just say he's been sedated. He's been sedated. The man's in a lot of pain. He'll be back at some point here. Now, here's the other thing. They say, to my knowledge, this is one of the officers, to my knowledge, I don't believe Foley did have a weapon, even though I was told he reached into his waistband with his right hand.
Starting point is 01:40:15 I don't know what was in his mind. We never recovered a weapon. So he never had a fucking weapon. So all we have is the word of this Mansker guy, this campus security guard, that he shot him after he put his hand down his pants, even though he had nothing to take out unless he was going to swing his cock at him and take his dick out and piss on the guy's tire. You know, he was fine here. So Mansker is paid on paid place on paid administrative leave. He gets a vacation.
Starting point is 01:40:42 He's not on the non-fucking police officer reserve list he gets to get paid for this shit while this other guy gets out his money coach marty schottenheimer visited foley in the hospital oh boy to tell him that he wasn't getting paid i don't think he told him that it probably wasn't his job but also uh some of the team officials were seen there several silver-haired middle-aged white men all all around there. Schottenheimer said, quote, I would say he's doing pretty well given the circumstances. It was good to get a chance to see him again. We're anxious to see him recover as quickly as possible. So, yeah, the hospital said they couldn't comment on his condition.
Starting point is 01:41:18 Yeah, we just were anxious. We're anxious to see him recover as quickly as possible. And he adjusted his glasses he got him all fucking all angry uh so yeah he's uh loses 1.65 million dollars uh this is great too there's an article this guy named daver zurin uh daver zurin uh it's called a writer's opinion and he opens it up with the phrase quote this one stinks like a beached whale oh about the case here uh they talk about how uh he was shot in front of his home by an off-duty police officer uh they they go through the whole thing here uh and uh uh they said why wasn't this officer why couldn't he call for backup again great question go call he said quote did this
Starting point is 01:42:03 officer fail to charge his cell phone uh what the fuck is the story here he says quote amazing how uh by day amazing how by day with tv news helicopters overhead a stoned crazy can lead a scary high-speed chase through half of southern california with no shots fired with everybody uh but by night one off-duty cop can go from one end of his large county to the other end and end up using his gun in an apparent solo bust i guess charles bronson lives oh boy which is like fucking yeah he just ridiculous and it's true that's right half the police force can chase a guy down it's fine this guy can't not shoot a guy in the street in front of his
Starting point is 01:42:42 own fucking house here the guy will spin donuts on the 405 blocking all lanes of traffic and then not one shot fired. Absolutely. They also, this guy just keeps bringing up why he didn't call for more backup, why he didn't go to another place, go to another location. This guy, he had him secured in the cul-de-sac. If he ran away, he could have said he's going that direction. Suspects heading up north on this road. Cops with cars and lights and shit, maybe get on that because I'm going to go home since I'm in my Toyota Corolla. I see him pulling into a fucking parking garage.
Starting point is 01:43:14 He's going in here. He's parked. This is where he is. You'll have several minutes to get him here. He was just in a cul-de-sac in his neighborhood by his driveway. So, I mean, even better. That's my point. He's not going anywhere.
Starting point is 01:43:26 It basically was a parking garage like to this guy could have just sat outside and waited. Same same type of shit here. Now, they do do a blood alcohol on Foley at the hospital. It is point two, three, three, way drunker than that's like three times the legal limit. He's wrecked. He's fucked up. And he's a big dude that's fucked up and he's a big dude that's fucked up that took a lot to get him there oh definitely oh yeah absolutely uh they
Starting point is 01:43:50 ended up preserving his blood which could also be tested for controlled substances and steroids because they're trying to say he was overly aggressive at the officer so that's how they're going to say that that's how they're going to justify shooting a man in the street who with that roid rage roid rage and uh you know it doesn't matter if he was the guy identified himself or not they're trying to say here uh the sheriff's department recommends that he'd be charged with misdemeanor drunk driving uh so while he's in the hospital and everything he's charged with drunk drunk driving stemming from being shot obviously right uh he's uh arraigned on two counts of misdemeanor dui uh he's
Starting point is 01:44:26 not required to attend a hearing for some reason on that i believe for medical reasons his agent david levine said that uh he's home recovering and he had several surgeries to his leg uh he says quote he's currently unable to walk or stand without assistance right now he's going through a healing process a very painful one and it's unknown at this point uh in time now he's going through a healing process, a very painful one, and it's unknown at this point in time how he's going to recover. Basically, I don't know if he's ever going to be able to play again or what, because that's what everybody keeps saying. They also,
Starting point is 01:44:54 the charges carry enhancements that include being charged with DUI within 10 years of a prior conviction of having a blood alcohol level exceeding.15 because he had that other DUI that he ended up having before, so now he's got to deal with that. Obviously, this is like his sixth arrest lately,
Starting point is 01:45:12 and basically every arrest has had something to do with alcohol. Everything is he's drunk and acts a fool when he's fucking drunk or gets shot when he's fucking drunk. He's shooting or getting shot. He's shooting or getting shot. He's shooting or getting shot. There's too many guns involved in his drinking. Too many fucking guns involved in his drinking, and now he's got to watch the games all year now.
Starting point is 01:45:34 He's from a hospital bed. From his room, from a hospital bed. In a cast in his fucking room. Not making any money. Every week thinking about how big that check should be to get $ 1.65 fucking million dollars so much money he's sitting there he's uh imagine that too like you would have to like with completely shot up like that in your house you'd have to you couldn't do anything for
Starting point is 01:45:56 yourself you gotta have somebody else help you gotta have everyone help you you gotta have i'm sure he's got maids at that point and butlers that he's got a not a butler but somebody some sort of aid or assistant or somebody that he's got to have uh without the assistance of a salary to pay this for a hundred grand a week mind you yeah everything when the plumbing breaks you gotta call somebody and he does and the guy knocks on the door and it's paul calhoun shit pipe enthusiast. And he says. How is it you come to arrive here? I mean, I got to be honest.
Starting point is 01:46:39 I've been watching you from a distance here. You know, I keep my truck back. I'm not like other people. I understand you don't want to bum rush somebody in the truck. You know what I mean? I'm a fucking idiot like some of these people are. But I got to tell you from a distance and even now up close in your house, your shit pipes are way backed up, pal. Your life shit pipes are a fucking mess.
Starting point is 01:46:57 You need more than just that. It's not going to be. You can't just stake this out. You understand? It's a fucking disaster. There's guns down there. You got guns there's shit everywhere there's fucking gauze from your gunshot wounds being changed that somehow got
Starting point is 01:47:11 flushed down there and your shit pipes are clogged right and at this point i don't know how the fuck you're gonna unclog them because it costs money and he ain't making no more money and now you're limping around like some kind of fucking bum i don't know what to tell you i'm just saying uh but by the way tell your friends if your shit pipes are clogged the only guy to call paul calhoun shit pipe enthusiast i clean your shit pipes and i'll smack your wife you know the jingle do that uh thank you very much i gotta go poof and in a puff of shit pipe uh dust he's gone and a puff of impacted shit and uh gunshot wound gauze he's out of there and uh if he wasn't
Starting point is 01:47:47 if foley wasn't confused before yeah as to what the fuck was going on why people were shooting him he is dazed he's like who the shit was that what kind of these painkillers are awesome who in the shit pipes was who in the shit pipe was that oh my god so september 15th 2006 prosecutors say they suspect that foley was on steroids when he was shot three times by an officer still doesn't explain why this fucking guy was no like so so why was he shot it's so weird the root of the problem is that a man did not properly identify himself he was not prepared to call the police. Well, yeah, because at that point, once you pull your gun out on that guy, you have you either hope he cooperates or you have to shoot him because you don't have backup. So no choice comes at you.
Starting point is 01:48:39 He's either going to fucking pick you up and rip your legs off your body and beat you with them. That's a guy that's been on a on a college campus way too long and could not he wanted to shoot a kid so many times you know we fucking did yeah he's probably one of those skateboarding on my fucking sidewalk a lot of the time sorry if you're a security guard but a lot of the times that's a bad sign the security guards want to be cops that's a certain personality type that they usually are leery of right police forces the guy that couldn't it's the guy that it's the guy that chases someone down unnecessarily going 90 whereas a good cop would be like i got his fucking license plate number i'm gonna call my buddy up who's on duty right now and tell him to go fucking get the guys to now mother and i'll go yeah guys you
Starting point is 01:49:19 fucking chase him i'm going home and having a beer you fucking assholes my shift is done you don't go i'll get him i got him right now and there's more information about this guy too really makes it worse yeah this this uh this genius here charles bronson over here uh they also the prosecutor said quote his history of aggressive and even violent contact with law enforcement indicates the possibility of more than mere alcohol involvement. That's what they said here. They said, quote, steroids can cause erratic behavior in those that use them. This has been given names like roid rage for the uncontrollable outbursts and violence experienced by some users.
Starting point is 01:49:58 This is a prosecutor saying this horseshit, which doesn't seem to matter. They requested the blood sample from him while he was at the hospital and they ended up getting it uh they said the authorities say they have no evidence that he was using performance enhancing enhancing drugs they just want to test him because they feel like his behavior uh of aggression toward law enforcement it matches that that or he's just a really aggressive guy uh they also say that his lawyer, Levine Foley's lawyer, said, quote, I have no comment about whatever they're doing. That's not going to be my part in this. They're fucking ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:50:34 It doesn't matter. We're playing in a different game here. Schottenheimer and the Chargers declined to comment, citing the sensitive nature of the investigation. They really want to talk. You know they would football football teams want no involvement in this they just want we don't ask us please no comment they said quote the chargers hope that everyone will wait until all of the facts are revealed and not rushed to judgment on anyone so they're just like that's as neutral as you can play process let's
Starting point is 01:50:59 just let this all die down right and then when no one remembers it anymore then you can decide what happens some more sacks for us and it's fine uh yeah so uh the other thing is uh they say that he's the nfl says that he's never tested positive for since break for steroids since breaking into the league in 98 they say that players are tested up to six times in the off season once during training camp as part of their physical uh during the regular season, seven players per team per week are randomly tested. So Gene Upshaw, the head of the union, players union, said, quote, we will, or players association. He's a good dude. He seems decent.
Starting point is 01:51:36 We will not step in at all until we have, and we will not have a comment until all the legal matters are resolved. So everybody on all sides, even everyone on his side is like, let's let this shit play out. He did actually, Upshaw, express a personal frustration that the San Diego district attorney is carrying out a witch hunt. So he says, I'm not going to say shit until the investigation is done, but I do think it's a witch hunt, which is more than saying shit.
Starting point is 01:52:01 That's a pretty good comment. Yeah, another attorney who's an expert on steroid law this guy a guy named rick collins a long island defense attorney a quote expert on steroid law he seems a smidge dirty i would say so hey listen guy nobody knows more about fucking steroids than me right you know how much time i spent look at these guns right now i know you can't see because i got a suit on but let me get my jacket off i'm gonna flex this fucking gun for you this is all natural look at this you understand i go to the gym people offer me steroids i take them i'm not gonna lie to you that's why i'm a fucking expert look at the fucking veins i'm vascular you son the rest of this is is 30 chicken breasts a day that's all i gotta do uh so uh he says uh this guy says that uh calling the steroid angle saying that foley
Starting point is 01:52:46 was uncontrollably attacking a guy is quote the pinnacle of of absurdity and he says does that mean anytime someone acts violently they should have their blood tested for anabolic steroids true uh that's definitely because he's a football player which is i guess you can't really discriminate against that uh he said he says he thinks the real issue is foley and foley's alcoholism and that sort of thing maybe more than uh steroids uh now uh lisa marie got the uh most ride or die five day fucking five day friend of all five day friend i've ever heard uh pleads not guilty to drunk driving and assault charges uh because she was driving she was shit hammered when she tried to run the guy over. Her attorney disputed Mansker's account and said that Mansker failed to properly identify himself as a police officer,
Starting point is 01:53:34 leaving Foley and her to be concerned that he might be a carjacker or a crazed fan, which is a fair defense, it really is. Even if the guy's saying, I'm a police officer, where's your fucking badge and lights and uniform and other cops that you usually have? This is the most logical shit these drunk fucks have said yet. I would say so. So, yeah, it turns out he shot the car twice, by the way, Vansker. So one in the bushes, two at the car, and then two or three toward him and hit him with two. and then two or three tore him and hit him with two.
Starting point is 01:54:07 They said that Gott winced in disagreement as the prosecutor laid out his version of events. Gott's attorney said she wasn't trying to ram the officer but was trying to reach Foley to help him after the shooting. Meanwhile, he shot. The shooting came after that. And what was she trying to do do drive over there fucking 20 feet i'm gonna drive to him rather than i'm gonna do i'm gonna do 50 to where he's walking that's fucking fine this lawyer which i find uh amazing uh her defense attorney raymond vecchio tells the
Starting point is 01:54:38 judge quote i really think it will be shown that miss gott acted heroically not criminally in any way shape or form she was just fighting to get to her man she's a drunk good samaritan after five days of knowing this man she pleads not guilty to misdemeanor charges that she took the wheel at that point uh they said that the officer never identified himself uh self uh sufficiently he didn't take his badge off his belt and show them uh he also said that galt uh got that Galt said that she coasted next to Foley as he walked and that she never endangered the officer. Any engine revving came because Galt was unfamiliar with the souped up car. So anytime she touches the gas, that's what's going to happen, which honestly, I could see somebody get in a car like that.
Starting point is 01:55:22 Yeah. Oh, shit. What the fuck is in this thing? Holy shit. Vecchio also says Mansker shot at God. They also talk about how they shot there, shot at her in the car. She is lucky to be alive. Yeah, totally.
Starting point is 01:55:35 This guy's a shit shot. Vecchio, the defense attorney, also said she's scared to death. She knows these are all on trumped-up charges, which I don't blame her for being worried about that uh uh turns out they said they didn't know whether they were romantically involved got and uh foley which why the fuck else are they in a car at three o'clock in the morning going back to his house they're about to be and they just yeah no shit he did say that got met up with foley after foley attended a dinner with fellow players that's where he was before the bar
Starting point is 01:56:04 with a bunch of fellow players. Gaut faces up to five years in prison if convicted on two charges of assault with a deadly weapon, including one charge that the intended victim was a police officer, which is far iffy whether anybody knew that or not. She also faces two counts of driving under the influence. Vecchio said his client client got is unemployed and lives with her parents in san diego and will not be able to make her 35 000 bail uh she's also being held on a 25 000 warrant out of solano county in northern california on charges including knowingly
Starting point is 01:56:37 buying a stolen car oh my god so she's just got fucking issues here uh she's later convicted of assault uh with a deadly weapon and dui uh she is ordered to serve 180 days in jail for assault with a deadly weapon uh for the car incident which is really iffy in my book here this is uh how many days did she get 180 i mean that it's six months you may it's good and that's not that's a good amount of time you may just fucking you were shit face getting in a car. You knew better than when you jumped in the passenger seat. Maybe you just wash this. You know, just do your time and get out and move on.
Starting point is 01:57:12 Yeah. But the whole assault with a deadly weapon, that seems a little. I mean, they did give her a light sentence for that. It's not like she took a crowbar to a fucking old lady and started trying to work her over. Or a gun to a police officer. Or it's just a car. Yeah, absolutely. Now, this is the time to October 2006. started trying to work her over or a gun to a police officer it's just a car yeah absolutely uh now this is the time to october 2006 the chargers have a rash of of legal problems here
Starting point is 01:57:32 uh practice squad cornerback named marcus curry was released after he was arrested for uh committing domestic violence uh schottenheimer said that was the that was the disappointment and that was the fifth run-in by the law of Charger player since April. And so that's fucking crazy. They dropped that player clean. They can't. Another one here. I'm sorry. The same one. Curry was arrested following a traffic stop. He was booked into San Diego Central Jail on account of inflicting bodily injury to spousal cohabitant and held in lieu of $25,000 bail. Within six weeks of the Foley issue of getting shot and everything, the Chargers implemented the Safe Ride Solution program for their players and staff. It's seen as a significant step for the NFL Players Association. After players provided a credit card and proof of insurance, the players would call the main line and provide their membership number and first names. After setting up something with a driver in that particular city, the average pickup time was between 30 and 45 minutes.
Starting point is 01:58:33 This is like shit Uber. That is the worst Uber ride ever. It's the fucking worst. You have to go through a bunch of hoops and numbers. And once you get your proof of insurance and all this shit, then you have to 40 fucking minutes which sounds like cities dial a ride oh that's terrible uh under safe ride solutions teams would pick up uh anywhere from half of the tab to picking up the entire bill for players uh with the individual charges remaining anonymous which is a big deal uh one of the uh people says for the association said quote quote the reality is if a player is out
Starting point is 01:59:06 with one of our drivers we never reported anything back that was said in the car or that happened in the car the nfl never asked no one asked everyone's concern is that the guy got home safe no one asked us to divulge any information on what they're doing yeah so that was a big concern is like the league is going to use us as spies basically Basically, you know what's going on. If you call three times a week for your shit face car, then the league's going to fucking they know about. They're going to look over your shoulder and all that kind of shit, which I reasons to drug test you. There are reasons to drug test for reasons to to fuck with you, basically, which. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:39 You know what? I would say that. But I mean, you're given a privilege of making gigantic amounts of money in a league that very few people get to be a part of. Yeah. And to just do that and play by the rules? Just, yeah. Just fucking do it. Just do it.
Starting point is 01:59:55 Be happy. Then retire and have a shitload of money to live on. Yeah. Now, the Chargers were the first team to put Safe Ride Solutions into action. And they were awarded the NFL's Winston Schell Award in 2007, given to teams that develop unique and innovative solutions. After the first year, eight more teams signed on, giving Safe Ride Solutions...
Starting point is 02:00:17 Why is that thing unique? Pick up your buddy. That's a unique fucking situation. We'll give you a free cab so you don't drive shit-faced and get shot at 3 in the morning in front of your house by off-duty police officers. Doesn't seem like a real innovative solution. Hey, there's drunk guys driving themselves home. How the fuck could we possibly stop that?
Starting point is 02:00:35 Innovative. Oh, I know. Maybe we could give them a ride. Jesus Christ. And they're going to get a fucking ribbon for that. Absolutely. They did get an award. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:46 December 16, 2006. The NFL is on the defense about arrests uh they're they're basically saying look this isn't it's this isn't uh it's just a it's not a pattern no it's once in a while people get arrested a couple of them happen to get arrested near the same time as each other let's not go crazy uh but there's been some issues here uh dea officials learned that chargers players were sending large sums of money to china and believe they had a steroid smuggling case on their hands uh so they were looking into that uh also uh keel uh terence keel the uh i believe he's a cornerback was arrested for shipping codeine-based cough syrup to Texas. Authorities said that they were using codeine. He was making certain.
Starting point is 02:01:33 Exactly. He was doing that shit. Also, Keel arrested on this one was arrested at the team's practice facilities on charges of transporting possessing a controlled substance which is not the place you want to get arrested are you doing you don't want to get arrested at work here uh now the chargers say absolutely it's a reflection of the players and a reflection of the organization i take it personally everybody's talking about what's basically a handful of players but if you've got one or one or a handful it's still a problem it's embarrassing and you've got to deal with you're damn right well no shit you silver-haired bastard you hear he said that but if you've got one or one or a handful it's still a problem it's embarrassing and you've got
Starting point is 02:02:05 to deal with you're damn right well no shit you silver-haired bastard you hear he said that i take it personally right rather than hey i could personally help this situation you fucking asshole but i've got a mortgage i got a mortgage so he said at least 35 players have been arrested uh this year on charge that year in 2006 in the nfl though in the nfl uh shockingly enough roger goodell declined an interview for this uh super shocking um not from me from uh those i i wouldn't be shocking if he turned it down for me no i don't know him at all and uh i don't think he would know to call me back even how to get back to me uh the uh nfl uh this, this is Greg Aiello,
Starting point is 02:02:45 the NFL's vice president of public relations. They let him make a statement rather than Goodell. Oh, boy. He says, most NFL players are good citizens and some are outstanding citizens. It's a small percentage of the 2,000 players in our league that become involved in incidents that do not reflect well on the NFL.
Starting point is 02:03:00 We have policies and programs to deal aggressively with those issues, and we will continue to do so the goal is to eliminate such negative conduct that may not be realistic but it's the goal uh upshaw willie upshaw said i don't want the players association leader so i don't want the fans to turn us off because of off the field behavior it has happened in other sports and i do not want it to happen in the nfl i don't know if it's happened people stop because of off the court they stop because of lockouts and strikes because you stop watching it you it's like if you stopped watching a soap opera you lose the thread of the story and you don't go back to it
Starting point is 02:03:33 that's the way it is it's it's a bummer when you come back to football after a long break and now there's been such a shuffle yeah and so many players are coaches and players it's it's it's fucking ridiculous. Also, they talk about Delta O'Neill on the Bengals was stopped at a traffic checkpoint and charged with driving while intoxicated. That guy was a menace. He was a total menace. Marvin Lewis was super pissed. It's an embarrassment to our organization, our city, our fans.
Starting point is 02:03:59 It's unacceptable. These things are not so. He went off on this tirade of fuck. Meanwhile, he's coaching the most fucked up team with the most fucked up people he's got tank johnson on his team he's fucking talking about no he's on the bears tank johnson i can't remember now i don't know they it wasn't the other one it was uh fuck defensive oh my god it's gonna drive me crazy bangles defensive lineman no about 2004 about 2004, 2005, kept getting arrested.
Starting point is 02:04:25 I'll get it before the end of this episode. Don't worry. So I like this, too. Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson says it can be difficult to predict which players will outgrow youthful mistakes. Who's a fuck-up now but not an ingrained fuck-up? He said the players come to us from college sometimes with previous problems or a tendency toward problems in other words we shit we don't cause at all right no silver-haired middle-aged white man in the nfl has ever caused a problem he says you try to make good decisions
Starting point is 02:04:55 on players and their off-field habits or problems all of us i think want to try to give someone a second chance if we feel they're deserving and i think all of us also know that it's a continuing pattern whatever you whatever uh or whatever you only get so many chances in the nfl you've got to move on if you get it to the point where it's a habitual thing or a repetitive thing then you have to make a decision and say is this really worth it right this guy in the league really worth it which it's all he could have said he did one sentence silver-haired asshole here they may not have caused it but they sure in the fuck enabled it exactly uh now may january 31st 2007 foley announces that he is suing the city of coronado and aaron mansker the officer
Starting point is 02:05:35 in a civil negligence claim he's seeking to reclaim medical expenses and quote the lost of loss of past and future earnings yep which he didn't shoot some dude who works at a warehouse. That's true. He shot a guy with a $10 million contract. You bet. Wrong dude to shoot. Foley pleads guilty to driving under the influence and was given five years of informal probation.
Starting point is 02:05:57 Wow, he got off light. Which isn't bad at all. Then the 2007, December 14th, the San Diego District Attorney, in an investigation of the shooting of him declares the shooting to be a legal shooting. Said that the officer was in the right. Wow. Yeah. June 4th, 2008.
Starting point is 02:06:17 Tawana Schultz is carrying a puppy named Schnickers. Yeah. Okay. Which sounds sweet, right? When a neighbor yelled that pitbulls were loose uh so schultz headed back toward her house she said quote i almost i got almost uh to our sidewalk when they attacked us uh she tried to hold on to the puppy but the pitbulls jerked it from her hands and killed it oh my god uh steve foley is the owner of the pit bulls of course of
Starting point is 02:06:46 course he is uh the attack on the woman he's been indicted on a charge of attack by dog uh because he let the dogs get out and you know kill a dog and hurt a woman i think steve foley if for the record uh steve foley was the one who let the dogs out so he's uh he's released the boss someone alert them there someone to fucking pull that one out of a gutter and the other one out of his fucking uh job at costco checking my receipt on the fucking way out and let them know we know who let them out when you breeze past the guy at costco say no thanks by the way sir steve foley let the dogs out thank you because that will be one of the baja men with the pen in his hand very confused i believe if i'm not mistaken two o'clock in the morning three o'clock three o'clock it's three fifty nine
Starting point is 02:07:39 ridiculous this is insane wait this is how much we people said hey don't stop doing crime and sports i know you guys said it's tired right this is how much we like doing it right we are that committed to where we do two goddamn live shows meet hundreds of people and have a great time and have no voices and then stay up uh almost 24 hours straight talking about the Baja men which have not been a thing for 20 in years that's how stupid we are uh so yeah uh Foley's attorney here uh said that he was released on ten thousand dollars bond he said it was an accident that happened while Foley wasn't even home he said I wasn't even there with it he wasn't even there he said quote it was a tragic accident and Mr. Foley is very sorry that his neighbor and friend was injured, but these dogs were his pets.
Starting point is 02:08:28 They had no previous history of aggression. It's a third-degree felony. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Is it really that steep? Yeah. The indictment's a third-degree felony. Foley's accused of failing to secure his dogs, which they said made an unprovoked attack.
Starting point is 02:08:43 to secure his dogs, which they said made an unprovoked attack. Tawana Schultz suffered serious bodily injury when she was bitten on the arms and face by the pit bulls. Oh, Jesus. If convicted, third-degree felony carries a punishment of as many as 10 years in prison. Oh, my God. This is crazy. Oh, Jesus. 10 years? 10 years.
Starting point is 02:09:03 For your dogs getting out. You weren't even home uh fuck man uh his attorney says quote the fact that a dog bit someone doesn't necessarily mean a crime has been committed i yeah i kind of would agree with that in case uh uh he said that foley kept two adult pit bulls and sometimes and some puppies as pets nugent said the pit bulls were show dogs and pets not fighting dogs they had no previous history of attacks uh the lawyer said quote it's a tragic accident mr foley feels very sorry that it happened he had no problem he had no prior problems with the dogs it shocked him
Starting point is 02:09:35 that these dogs for some reason attacked uh the dogs were seized by animal control officers and later destroyed by authorities uh so they were put to sleep here. I don't know if that's good or bad. It's not really their fault. I just hate the word destroyed. I know. I don't like that either. I don't like that at all. So we'll move on.
Starting point is 02:09:51 June 19, 2008, civil court for the shooting. He's suing here for Aaron Mansker, like we said. Harvey Levine told jurors in his opening statement uh that uh the 20 who that is harvey levine that's his agent and lawyer is that the is that the guy from fucking tmz no no no that's no that's harvey levin harvey move on i just saw this son of a bitch it's in court defending people wasn't he a lawyer? Next thing you know. Four o'clock in the morning is not the time to be recording this.
Starting point is 02:10:35 Maybe it is. Maybe it is. Maybe we need to be fucking. Holy shit. I see Harvey Levin in there going. It was not him. It was uh let me tell you about the kardashians and what an injustice this case is i need to tell you both of these things this is injustice to my client i need to tell you about all the times kanye ran into a fucking stop sign with his face this is so dumb all right go on uh he also said uh he said that uh quote he being mansker said
Starting point is 02:11:09 he himself wouldn't have stopped without being shown a badge neither would his wife because that's i guess in the afterwards he's like yeah i guess i wouldn't have stopped unless i got shown a badge but uh he also said uh that uh uh that uh mansker by by Foley, ruined his dream of the NFL and his big contract. He said, quote, the attorney, it's a story about the destruction of a dream, the crushing of a career. The reason is so tragic because it was totally unnecessary, which I kind of agree with.
Starting point is 02:11:39 Foley was, they got Foley to, he got himself to cry in court. Oh, no. Shit was being said. Big giant dude. Yeah. Crying yeah crying tears crying about no more football man that's fucking crazy they showed the jury photos of uh uh photos of uh of his fucking playing days and all that and look how great he looks and they had him stand up and limp around about how fucked up his legs are and they said he should be playing football right now instead he can barely walk uh it's it's it's fucked up man uh he said that he will present evidence that shows that mansker did not believe foley had a weapon that he was full of shit about
Starting point is 02:12:15 the reaching in the uh reaching into the waistband uh they said that uh the judge said that jurors won't hear evidence that he was reprimanding by that. Mansker apparently in a prior incident was reprimanded. This is in his first six months, eight months as a cop already was reprimanded by violating policy by driving 90 miles an hour and recklessly in another chase. He thinks he's fucking. He thinks he's Cobra. This guy is a fucking asshole. He's one of these guys who thinks he's gonna go out he ended up too winning an award for mothers against drunk driving for the most
Starting point is 02:12:49 dui arrests and like a whole any county and though he's mr yeah he's he's that guy yeah um you know a little too much he's though he was the hall monitor right he's one of fucking those guys sniff out a guy drinking beer exactly the judge also decided that the jurors would not hear testimony that mansker pursued drivers uh he thought might be intoxicated because his father was killed by a drunk driver when he was 13 so he's got a chip he's got a personal vendetta against the show which i understand but still yeah uh they had a san diego plastic surgeon testify uh about the his. He said that he suffered severe swelling of muscles in his lower leg. There was a possibility of amputation at one point, they said. They had to make long incisions in his leg, and they repaired him with skin grafts.
Starting point is 02:13:37 They said he will have significant physical deficits for the rest of his life. An orthopedic surgeon testified that the bullet wound to his left knee damaged nerves that govern function in his calf, ankle, and foot. He said injuries would prevent Foley from being able to play football or even working as a coach because he likely wouldn't be able to demonstrate techniques even to anybody. Two of his former teammates here, Lorenzo Neal and God damn it, Olshansky, testified that Foley was a student of the game, a hard worker, and a guy that fellow players looked up to his work ethic. And he was a great, he worked really hard. He played as hard as he could.
Starting point is 02:14:19 Neal said, quote, that's how you stay in this league as long as we have. Steve works hard off the field. You just can't go out there and turn it on now this cop here uh these they they have some unflattering shit to say about him uh they ask uh uh in the uh hearing for foley's companion the the lisa got incident mansker was asked quote other than your verbal command how uh how does he know you're a police officer mansker replied verbal i guess that's not enough anybody could come up to you at three in the morning and say stop i'm a police officer that's not enough you have to have some proof of that that's the
Starting point is 02:14:55 whole point uh i'm too small for that shit yeah no shit right mansker then they then asked mansker wouldn't it have been better to show your badge? He said, probably would have been better, yes. You fucking think? I have a badge. Let me show you who I am. Jesus Christ. Have you ever seen a fucking movie? It's the first thing they do.
Starting point is 02:15:13 I have proper identification right here. You knock on the door. You're a cop. The door opens. The badges are out already. Here, look at what we have. We're fucking cops. Don't close the door on our face.
Starting point is 02:15:24 So they had uh in a photo taken by sheriff's deputies of mansker after the shooting his bag badge was visible but in a deposition he finally admitted admitted that his badge was covered by his t-shirt at the time of the shooting was not even fucking visible uh wow uh so fucking stupid also foley's attorneys found paperwork uh saying that uh coronado hired mansker after 10 other law enforcement agencies had previously rejected his applications for employment two agencies cited his immaturity and lack of life experience which is exactly what you would say about someone who chased a guy down and shot him in the street for no reason uh uh during his first week on the job documents showed while off duty and driving his own car
Starting point is 02:16:10 he uh he his speeds were calculated to be in excess of 90 miles an hour he wrote in the report quote my conduct was viewed by another and seen as reckless which i would say so yeah uh he previously previously worked as a college uh a college service officer and was reprimanded for his uh quote his negative attitude impulsiveness to make decisions based on emotion instead of instead of careful thought and violations of several palomar college police department policies uh yes he says in court quote as he started reaching into his waistband with his right hand turning toward me, I fired two shots. Before the incident, he kept a MySpace page that he then got rid of, but they found the archive of it. He called himself Superman.
Starting point is 02:16:56 This man's fur. Foley's attorneys argued that he has a bizarre fascination over identification with the superhero superman and that he is over zealous and and uh pursues drunk drivers with more vigor than should be basically uh it's funny because they say the press talk about how much more information comes out in a civil trial because more is allowed than in a criminal trial so you got to get all this information that wasn't admissible in a criminal in a criminal. It can really damage a character. I would say so here. So a July 2nd, 2008, a conditional settlement is reached in the civil case involving Foley and Mansker.
Starting point is 02:17:35 After a meeting with the attorneys in his chambers, Judge Richard E.L. Strauss dismissed the jurors. And after dismissing the juror, he said that this has been one of the more interesting cases. Harvey Levine said, quote, I think we're very satisfied with the presentation of the facts and the resolution of the case. The parties agreed to follow Judge Irving's recommendations. So this whole thing, they're happy. They're happy that it's over with because he needs money
Starting point is 02:18:01 and he's tired of doing this. Foley was scheduled to testify Wednesday. It would have been the first time that he would publicly be able to tell his story. And that day they were like, fuck that, we're settling. We are not having this guy limp his big ass up on the stand and cry fucking tears that he lost $10 million in all of his dreams and hopes. This isn't going to be good for us. Let's just fucking settle.
Starting point is 02:18:24 And the city are going to lose a lot of money. Yeah, I would say so. They said that Foley was able to walk back to the judge's chambers with his attorney, but he didn't want to at first. His mother had to tell him to go try to work something out. She said, quote, it's an important case to him. A lot of facts came out in the trial that hit nerves on him his emotions are raw he had a lot at stake and he's had a lot taken from him which is fair
Starting point is 02:18:50 i would say at that point they talked to some of the jurors who were dismissed afterwards and basically they all said that uh they were giving him a fucking fortune right uh this guy randy mcclellan said that uh he believes foley was wrongfully shot he said quote i believe the officer was way out of line. I believe Mr. Foley should be compensated for what he went through. It pretty much ended his career, and he was a great football player, based on the pictures they showed him of that. McClellan recalled hearing lawyers discussing a $10 million figure,
Starting point is 02:19:19 the amount that he said would be a justified compensation. The juror would have given him that much. Considering what he was making as a football player, that would be reasonable, he said would be a justified compensation. The juror would have given him that much. Considering what he was making as a football player, that would be reasonable, he said. Foley, quote, made the mistake of drinking and driving, but he's paid for that already, and I think the officer was way out of line, so they should pay. Finally, the city agrees to a settlement with Foley for $5.5 million. That's a big settlement. It's a big settlement, less than he would have made playing football,
Starting point is 02:19:44 but still a big settlement for the city, I would say. September 29, 2009, the Chargers sue Foley. The San Diego Chargers file a lawsuit against him to make him repay a third of his signing bonus. Oh, no. Jesus fucking Christ, man. Was that $3 million? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, from that one that one uh contract
Starting point is 02:20:06 right uh the eight page lawsuit filed uh said that uh they want him to repay a third of his signing bonus reporting and playing bonus totaling more than 416 000 uh that's the amount an arbitrator ruled ruled that he uh owes the club following the terminating of his career by an off so he got shot and he owes them the bonus back so he had to pay back 416 000 so he can take that off his 5.5 million uh which is funny they waited till he got the money to then sue him so they didn't look too fucking shitty even though they still look shitty uh they put him on injured reserve right away they said uh so they didn't have to pay him his uh his uh roster bonus uh they sent him
Starting point is 02:20:45 apparently they sent him a letter in early 2007 just asking him to pay back the money they sent him like a polite bill and he didn't and he didn't respond at all they were like he was like i'm gonna fucking pay i didn't buy that i don't know what you're saying yeah fuck that wasn't me uh yeah so uh yeah he has to pay that an arbitrator ordered him to pay 416,666 plus interest which will probably be a little bit too on that amount of money uh so holy shit that's what a fucking mess so far he's had he's gotten i feel like half bad for this guy and he's also a fuck up and he's also a drunk mess but he's also super lucky at the same time of having the worst luck at the same time pending he's got shit pending i mean
Starting point is 02:21:30 between him the chargers even i feel bad for all these people jimmy yeah all these fucking people but not nearly as bad as i feel for steve foley executive vice president at solarius aviation in las vegas he's a decorated naval aviation guy uh and uh now he's in a safety consulting firm steven foley senior property underwriter at qbe insurance in leeds uk uh there uh steven foley managing director and head of U.S. corporate banking in the greater Boston area. U.S. Bank. For banking at TD Bank. Huge deal there. Steve Fole, a minor league baseball outfielder that played from 2000 to 2004. And God damn it, worst of all, Steve Fole, ex-NFL player, former Broncos safety Steve Fole,
Starting point is 02:22:23 is a managing partner in FS land development in Greenwood Village. He played his entire NFL career with the Broncos from 76 to 86. This poor bastard. And this poor bastard also is part of the concussion lawsuit, too. So he's had his bell rung a few times, too. And he's being confused for an asshole. So, yes. And apparently February 19th, 2011, a bit of good news for foley
Starting point is 02:22:47 uh a uh he's been absolved by in by in court uh in of blame in a personal injury lawsuit involving the dog attack uh prosecutors in texas dismissed the case against him uh uh there was a three-year-old case at this point uh the woman who was bitten in the face and arms and had her dog died said that she was tired of the whole thing, and it was her desire to move on from the situation. Really? She just didn't want to deal with it anymore. She said enough talking about it. She said it was too much pain for her.
Starting point is 02:23:17 A 2017 NFL draft last year, the Jaguars select Alabamaeman cameron robinson yeah who is foley's son that's his son right there uh with the 34th pick of the draft too that is top of the second round uh yeah he's the son of steve foley as we know uh uh he said uh that his son said cameron said that foley has given him some advice on how to handle the recruiting process. He said, it's been very impactful. Everything I'm doing, he's been through before. He's just telling me to stay humble and continue working. Right after that, Cameron Robinson was arrested on charges of possession of a controlled substance, illegal possession of a firearm, and possession of a stolen gun while home in where?
Starting point is 02:24:02 Monroe, Louisiana. Fucking Jesus Christ christ the cycle continues guns and drugs district attorney declined to prosecute and there's a belief that it was just a one-time incident so if you fuck up go to louisiana monroe fire shots into the air sell drugs have stolen guns and they they will not fucking prosecute you and that my friends is steve foley a tale of craziness and that's a wild unlucky life that's a lot of crazy shit that happened to that man all buckled in from 2000 to present isn't that nuts that one little time 15 year stretch he i'll bet he's almost broke he's gotta be by now he had to pay back that money he's got
Starting point is 02:24:45 i mean who knows what he's up to even with that money it puts him down to five mil if he's smart he can make that stretch the rest of his life at least invest in a business or something he's really shown that he's not smart i don't feel like uh i'm not foresight intelligence or i'm that confident i'm not confident in his ability to be a good person. No, not at all. He's a goddamn disaster. If you like that disastrous mess of a story, you can do us a favor and tell us about it or just tell the rest of the world about it over on iTunes. Give us five stars.
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Starting point is 02:25:40 You can do that on Twitter at crimeinsports, Facebook at facebook.com slash crimeinsports, and and of course, Crime and Sports at Gmail dot com. We changed the Instagram to Small Town Murder because it's got twice as many listeners. Sorry, but we still put Crime and Sports stuff up there. So follow that and you'll get that sort of shit. With that said, let us talk about the finest, most wonderful group of people that keep us afloat and honestly keep this being a viable thing for us to do. Jimmy, hit us with the list of the people that we love.
Starting point is 02:26:12 First, we have Susan Deguia. I think that's how you pronounce it. Degua. She donated on Patreon. Yes, absolutely. She donated on Patreon and PayPal. Thank you. Ridiculous. That's incredible. Thank you so much, Susan, for all your help. Alex. Whoa, thank you. Ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:26:25 That's incredible. Thank you so much, Susan, for all your help. Alex Marchi, who came to all those shows. Oh, that's awesome, dude. The guy's amazing. He donated a nice amount. Three shows he came to. Thank you so much, Alex.
Starting point is 02:26:34 That was sweet of you. Awesome. Susan Randlett also gave us a nice donation. And, of course, Christiane Costali. Those are our executive producers this week who come through. Thank you. Goddamn, every week there's somebody that really saves our asses you know i have no idea how much bananas how being podcasters we still have people that legitimately save our ass every week you do you do that's that's the crazy part thank you
Starting point is 02:26:54 that's why we do this at the end because we really want we want we're not just saying it to like oh we got to say the people's name we really want to say thank you to know that we did this for our hearts yeah we love this is our favorite part of the show. Dana Bartram, Elizabeth Wolfinger, Katie Polis, Jenna Edwards, Shandell Whitney. She has a daughter over there in Korea serving the country. That's right. Thank you, Shandell. Good for you.
Starting point is 02:27:16 Stephen Scattergood, Natalia Drew, Emmy Dumont, Cody Everett, Max Joshua, Ross Olson. Congratulations. She said yes. She said yes. Good for you, buddy. Good for you. Mackenzie Boland, Victoria Jackman, Jake LaBeer, Cappy with no last name,
Starting point is 02:27:31 Sarah Willis, Mary Fouse, Olivia Rowling, Jade Hughes, Gresham Fenton, David Wittes, yes, Wittes, Mariela Rosas, she came to a show. Thank you, Mariela. She actually came to Sacramento, I believe. Under the Sea Fabrics, I'm not sure what it is, but find it and donate. Buy her shit.
Starting point is 02:27:48 Yeah, buy her waterproof fabric. Whatever it is. It's not waterproof. It's called Under the Sea Fabric. We don't know. They might be waterproof fabrics. We have no idea, but probably not. It's mermaid shit.
Starting point is 02:27:56 I'm sure of it. Yeah, buy mermaid clothes from her. Do it. GaiGax, man. I forget what GaiGax is. Ah, damn it. It was pointed out to me what it was and I have forgotten, but they donated again, so thank you. Stacey Rushworth,
Starting point is 02:28:08 Ted Cyrus, every week the guy comes through. Thank you, Ted. Chelsea Gurleyman, or Gurleyman? Gurlman? Whatever. Might be Gurleyman. Hey, you know what? Good for you. Thank you. We love you. We don't care. We appreciate you. Craig Ventura, Gretchen Oswald, Lily
Starting point is 02:28:24 Hill, Kate Myers, Abigail Gonder, Tracy Tilly, Nina Tedeschi, Laura Kopp. She's the lawyer down in Texas that sent us shirts and such. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Laura. Jessica Valley, Jeffrey Geiler, Stacy Lanktoe, L-A-N-c uh lanktoe uh chris england sarah sarah fletcher bradley kouse amber wolf uh curtis uh vachek or vachek or velik that might be an l hey i think it's a c
Starting point is 02:28:55 i think i what i think i fucked just bad handwriting probably not bad pronunciation uh uh ariah strauss josh jones jesse hartman molly glenn ian mckay cassandra meyer stacy uh Arias Strauss, Josh Jones, Jesse Hartman, Molly Glenn, Ian McKay, Cassandra Meyer, Stacey Ridgson, Ridgson Beck, Ridgson Beak, Ridgson Beak, Ridgson Beak. No, I don't. Andrea M. Schneider. She just gave up. Bail, bail. Bail.
Starting point is 02:29:19 Sarah Toasty, Andrew, Andrew Wellmers, Richard DeGraw. Yes, DeGraw. Yeah. Karen Lemay's Lemias lemias lemias lemias lemiasi that's it yes i think it's lemias by the way bruno san martino died today there's nothing to do with this but 82 years old i love bruno he's from the same place my grandmother's from is that right move on that's fantastic kyle juarez, Courtney Luthandongus. Dongs.
Starting point is 02:29:46 No, it's not Dongs. Luthandongs. Luthandongus. There you go. That's it. Don't call her Luthandongs. It's not Dongs. There's an E in there.
Starting point is 02:29:54 All right. Marianne Hender, James Aselia. He comes through every week also. Thanks, James. Thank you. Jordan Selmer, Emily Shit. Emily Shit. Emily Shit. No. Thanks, Emily Shit. Emily Shit. Thanks, Emily Shit. We appreciate everything you do.
Starting point is 02:30:09 You're fantastic, Emily. All of your shit is highly appreciated. Sheerhorst. That's it. Emily Sheerhorst. Jackie Fiegel, Taylor Stapleton, Vanessa Lafoya, Sarah Gilbo, every goddamn week. Thank you so much, Sarah. You're fantastic.
Starting point is 02:30:23 You seriously. Sandy Marshall, True Crime Clothing. I don't know what that is. Go find them. Michelle Jolly over in, I believe that's Australia. Paul Roost, who makes those fucking memes. The guy is fantastic. LK Bar, LK Bar, LK Bar on New Tay.
Starting point is 02:30:41 Okay. Shit, I believe it. Sarah Peterson. I'll buy that. Jacob fucking, no. Jacob Herbigist, Herbig Uh, okay. I believe it. Sarah Peterson, uh, Jacob fucking no, Jacob Herbogast, uh, Herbogast,
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Starting point is 02:31:04 he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,. I'm a good. I'm a good. I'm a good. I'm a good. I'm a good. I'm a good. I'm a what i'm doing tom gallagher heather chamness uh taryn taryn winnie uh rondell merrill sarah laplante uh jennifer ought jessica hartke jacob no jason in new mexico laurie murphy austin's son uh mindy bag baganate no baganat baganat uh gail nelson and the last page my fuck this is amazing you guys are fantastic thank you so much seriously guys this is this is fantastic thank you uh elaine martin joe bescom uh tom berry matthew
Starting point is 02:31:32 palky uh pavki uh shit palk that's it uh sure no it's not uh p daphne cohen victoria this one is a mother. Victoria Kaviatzki? No. Victoria Cavatelli. Move on. I think it's Kaviatzki. No. No. Thank you.
Starting point is 02:31:52 It's K-V-I-A-T-K-V-O. No. What? It's a lot. I think it's Kaviatzki. Okay. I think so. I'll buy that.
Starting point is 02:31:59 You have confused me thoroughly. Good. Good. Now we're on the same page. Bianca Elena, Rob Maggs, Miller Hines, The Curiosity Report. have confused me thoroughly good bianca bianca bianca elena rob mags uh miller hines uh the curiosity report i think that's a podcast i'm pretty sure of it uh megan guza uh nate the ape uh betty paul saunders christine oh damn it christine you're all there you had to get like three right adrian and robert castorina tj shaw brailyn rogers
Starting point is 02:32:26 laurie with no last name jennifer slack michael with no last name abby sten chan chanel uh chanel renee peguera yes chanel renee peguera nailed it i think so stephanie hudson uh jeanette craig travis wood kathleen phil is sticking around thank Thank you, Kathy. I appreciate it. Thank you, Kathleen. You're awesome. She's from Sun City. She's wonderful. That's so cool. Brad Gillis, Josh Thurber, Patrick Hooten, Shawna Rogers, Anne-Marie Hoyt, Brianna Callinan, Jamie Collins, Alexandria Gonzalez, Kathy G1. I think that's right. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:32:59 Let's hope so. Silk BH. I don't know. I don't know what that is. Or Silky BH. John Craven, Alexia Malloy, Tommy Craig. Let's hope so. Silk BH. I don't know. I don't know what that is. Or Silky BH. John Craven. Alexia Malloy.
Starting point is 02:33:09 Tommy Craig. Gretchen Pischer. Pischer. Pischer. Okay. I think so. Sure. Connie and Sean Young.
Starting point is 02:33:17 Katie Potter. Aaron Anderson. Lindsay Day. Craig McGeechan. Kat Rosenblatt. Aaron Anderson, I've said. Yeah. Nathan Abbott. David.
Starting point is 02:33:24 No. Dave Hartman chuck brookman the awkward human uh john curry joseph stafford and jill aspermonti thank you everybody thank you so much uh bottom of our hearts honestly thank you uh you keep us afloat and it's been great traveling and going to these shows and seeing you guys meeting you guys is amazing it's meeting you and you've been so nice to us and you guys have brought us gifts and shit and you guys brought me devil dogs and it's crazy what they're bringing you're just so nice to us and we just can't tell you how much we appreciate we really can't personal gifts are really fucking
Starting point is 02:33:56 incredible we we can't thank you enough and we honestly we honestly can't we're blown away by it uh so what if a person like this they maybe they want to get a hold of a guy like you and tell you something some of them that may want to you can find me at wisman sucks wh is man sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat thank you guys for everything we really appreciate it what about you definitely you could find me at jimmy p is funny or if you want to get crazy just copy and paste my last name and use it like that you don't want to try to spell it you will spell it wrong because everybody goddamn does uh that said wow it's been fun it's been a wild week and uh we're exhausted it's currently 4 19 in the morning uh when we are wrapping up a plane here in a couple hours you're getting on a plane oh my god uh we we got to the club uh to do our shows at 5 p.m
Starting point is 02:34:44 to do seven o'clock and 10 o'clock shows. So it has just been a long day of recording. It's a whirlwind day. My voice is shot. This is the best I got right now. It's all grabby. Nobody on this plane better expect me to talk to them. You are screwed right there.
Starting point is 02:34:57 It's not happening. But never mind all that, guys. We can't wait. Next week, we are off next week. Yes. Both shows off next week. Scheduled maintenance. We just have no time.
Starting point is 02:35:07 We have to tour, and we're out of town for like nine straight days, and we don't have time to edit and do all that, and we wouldn't be able to get it up, and we don't want to do a half-assed episode. That's the truth. We will come back strong. Crime and Sports, I'll make it a famous person, and Small Town Murder will be a goddamn doozy too. Can't wait.
Starting point is 02:35:22 We'll do this shit right. Until then, everybody, live from the Crime and Sports studios, we will see you in two weeks. Bye. Hey, Prime members. You can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. Taylor Swift is soaring high, her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans.
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