Crime in Sports - #119 - Like A Greased Up Sled - The Unendingness of Tammy "Sunny" Sytch

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

This week, we peek in at the downhill slide of a person who seemed to have it all. She had brains, talent, beauty, hard work, dedication to her craft, and all the success that comes from thos...e attributes. Unfortunately, those qualities also came with a rip roaring drug & alcohol problem that led to professional downfall, regrettable personal behaviors, and a LOT of arrests. This is a wild ride!!Fulfill your childhood dreams, win the award for "Best Buns", and se how many times you can get arrested in one eek with Tammy "Sunny" Sytch!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.comGet all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurderย ย  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:27 My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us on another absolutely crazy, action-packed, insane edition of Crime and Sports. And we do have a doozy for you today. Oh, right. Dipping back into the brain damage sports. Terrific. But for someone who received no brain damage in those sports.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Huh. Very interesting. This is one of the wilder ones that we've had, so it's going to be a blast. This is, let's do a math equation here. Fantastic. This is Kelly Lane. Yeah. Let's see here.
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Starting point is 00:03:29 It was fun to research him because as a guy growing up watching him constantly, did you have any idea all that happened? I mean, I even knew he was dead and I forgot it. That's what I mean. All you remember is I got a story to tell. And I just found that out fairly recently. It was in the last five recently. Oh, yeah. It was two years ago. Weird, though. It's one of those guys that we felt like a Vernon Maxwell.
Starting point is 00:03:49 We were like, I didn't know that guy got arrested constantly. Like the NBA, I will give them this. They're pretty good at covering shit up. They are. When people get arrested, like when I uncover just, you know, looking through these and trying to find people for this show. When I find an NBA player that has, you know, 15 arrests and I'm like, I knew of none of these.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Well, it's only them. Like I knew I know the football player shit. I know an NBA player that has 15 arrests and I'm like, I knew of none of these. It's only them. I know the football player shit. I know the baseball player shit. It's weird. But in the 90s, it seems like they got arrested more and talked about it way less. Now a guy will get arrested two times in his entire career and it's a fucking front page story. It's huge.
Starting point is 00:04:21 He has to be doing something interesting back then. Like J.R. Ryder smoking weed out of the Coke can in the car. That was the only thing I heard about J.R. Ryder and remembered for 25 years. That was like, oh, that's pathetic. You should be doing better than that. And it's such a slide.
Starting point is 00:04:37 You see him with the cameras flashing, doing the stupid dunk. This is when he was still in the NBA. And then you're like, what? Is he sitting shirtless in Timberwolves shorts? Buy a bowl, dude. Like, what are you doing? Buy a fucking bowl. Get some papers.
Starting point is 00:04:52 What is wrong with you, dude? It's ridiculous. Get some fillies from the club. What the fuck is your problem? Go to a nightclub at 4 a.m. That's what Mason did. And he was in the back seat, too. Like, he wasn't even riding shotgun.
Starting point is 00:05:02 You know? Like, it wasn't an Uber or a taxi. He was just like, he didn't uber or a taxi he was just like he didn't get shotgun so he was in the back somebody else was faster maybe somebody's called shotgun on the bowl too it's like shit all right so who's got a can i can use the pin out he's poking the top i gotta put a carb in this fucking thing so depressing well let's get to someone whose life has turned out even possibly even more, if I'm being perfectly honest with you. Yeah, this is a sad, sad fall. Especially to, let's get right into it here.
Starting point is 00:05:30 First of all, it's wrestling, number one, which they're always a fun episode. It was never a dull wrestling episode, ever. But it's not a wrestler. No. It's a manager. Oh. And it's a lady. Oh.
Starting point is 00:05:41 Oh, yes. It is Sunny. Do you remember Sunny? The blonde. Oh, yes. It is Sunny. Do you remember Sunny? The blonde, very attractive manager from the late 90s, WWE. Well, you say Sunny, and I picture American Gladiator Sunny. Yeah, no, no. This is hard to explain her, but she's blonde, and she was cute in the 90s, and she was everywhere. Was she in video games and wrestled in the games?
Starting point is 00:06:04 Possibly. I feel like she did. If she was in the games possibly i mean i'm sure she did if she was in the game popped in and tripped somebody or something she was a manager always but i mean she i'm sure they made her available to wrestle i'm not sure about the dynamics of that particular video game we'll get into the whole thing here lots of people michaels there's okay didn't quite manage sean michaels but she managed parts of sean michael okay now see i guessed that because i pictured her with him. Now I know why.
Starting point is 00:06:26 Yeah. Okay. So it's Sunny, who was her ring name, her given name, Tamara Lynn Sitch, Tammy Sitch. Yeah. Perfect. That's how you get Sunny. That's where you'll hear her now. Yeah, Sunny. So it's better than Tammy Sitch, I would say.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I suppose. But that still sounds made up for some reason, Tammy Sitch. She should have picked the situation long before the situation. Sitch, for sure. Tammy Sitch sounds like a chick who's got a switchblade anyway. You know what I mean? That sounds like a tough street kid, but she's not at all like that at all. Born all the way back December 7th, 1972.
Starting point is 00:07:00 She was born in New Jersey. Oh, my God. She's a Jersey girl. She could have been the situation, in New Jersey. There's a, uh, she's a Jersey girl. She could have been the situation. Yeah. It's like, Oh, she's a Jersey girl too. I've seen in multiple different places where she's from Monmouth and Freeport. So I don't know which one she was born in, but it really doesn't fucking matter.
Starting point is 00:07:17 She grew up in New Jersey. Uh, her parents were Raymond and Noreen. Um, at least it's not like, uh, Oh no, that was a different episode. What was it? A small town murder. We had David and Davida. They, no, that was a different episode. What was it? Small Town Murder. We had David and Davida. Yeah. They're like, what the fuck? Why?
Starting point is 00:07:28 Why is that? That was that. This is last week. What? Why is that a thing? But I don't know. Raymond and Noreen. Raymond was a steel worker.
Starting point is 00:07:37 He had a fabrication and construction company, a steel fabrication and construction company. Fucking man. Yeah. He's a real manly dude. Very Jersey man. Very Jersey. He's a drunk, as we'll Fucking man. Yeah, he's a real manly dude. Very Jersey man. Very Jersey. He's a drunk, as we'll find out. Fuck, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Which will affect her down the line, as it always does, basically. Mother was a homemaker. She said that her mother liked being a housewife and liked raising the family. She had two sisters and a brother. So there's four kids here. She lived in a trailer. She grew up in a double-wide. She said she grew up in Old Bridge, New Jersey
Starting point is 00:08:10 was where she grew up, in a trailer park in a double-wide. Are there a lot of those in Jersey? Trailer parks? Yeah. There's ones in New York and New Jersey. Yeah, it's hard to fucking, it's so unaffordable there. I mean, back then, I don't know, in the 70s if it wasn't unaffordable. I'm sure because people were fleeing New York and New Jersey like goddamn crazy, I don't know, in the 70s if it wasn't unaffordable, I'm sure, because people were fleeing New York, New Jersey like goddamn
Starting point is 00:08:26 crazy. I don't know. Maybe it still depends on how lucrative a steel business is. If a steel business isn't very lucrative, fucking everything's expensive. That's true. When you don't have money, macaroni and cheese is expensive. Well, that's the weird thing she says. She says she doesn't understand why they lived in a
Starting point is 00:08:42 trailer. She says, like, I don't get why we grew up in a trailer. My father owned the company, and we had money, and we had everything we always wanted. And it was never like, oh, we can't afford that, dear. Sorry. Why the fuck do we live in a trailer? Maybe if you had a house, you didn't have that. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Yeah, I thought about that sometimes. It's like, yeah, you want to buy a house. It's like, man, if you just stayed in a one-bedroom apartment, you'd fucking be loaded. You'd be killing it. But your home would be miserable. You'd have to stuff all these nice things into your shitty apartment, which is no fun. You'd sleep on your mom's lap. Or double-wide trailer in Old Bridge, New Jersey.
Starting point is 00:09:13 Either one. Either one of these places. I mean, looking back, we rented a house when I was a kid for like $600 or $800 a month, I feel like. Yeah. And we still didn't have shit. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:23 That's what I grew up with. Yeah. We were broke and didn't have anything. We what i mean yeah that's what i grew up with yeah you were broke and stretching yeah everything was a stretch well she says that she wanted to be she's the youngest of the four too she said she why you know she never she's always tried to figure out why they lived in a trailer and in her adult life she finally just said fuck it i guess it was laziness literally my parents were too lazy to move like we could live better but then we have to pack all our shit and, nah, fuck it. We'll just stay in Australia. He probably bought that thing while he was actually doing the steel work.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah, that's what I mean. And then he bought his own company. He was like, I don't know. I'm too fucking tired. Imagine that. Imagine that. You're too lazy to have a better life. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:09:59 You've got to sober up to carry that TV down the steps. Then again, I know people that are like this. I know a guy. I swear like this. I know a guy. I swear to God. I know a guy. I used to have this shitty, terrible job. And this guy, he was offered a promotion. Now, he complained constantly that he didn't have enough money.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Because we made shit money. Of course. And so they offered him a promotion, like a manager, and like a $3 an hour raise. Which was like a good chunk of what we were making. We were making like $9 an hour. And they're offering $12 now. That's $120 a week. That's a lot if you're making $3 an hour raise, which was like a good chunk of what we were making. We were making like $9 an hour and they're offering $12 now. That's $120 a week. That's a lot if you're making $9 an hour. But the catch was normally he got off at 4.30 p.m.
Starting point is 00:10:33 He had to stay till 5, sometimes 5.15. And he said no. And I said, why? And he said the traffic's a lot worse at 5.15 than it is at 4.30. And I went, seriously? And he was like, yeah. I was like, but your whole life could be different. You're making much more money.
Starting point is 00:10:50 What would be so much better for you? You could get a car that has air conditioning where you have to sit in traffic. And he was just like, no, I don't feel like it. How the fuck far did he have to drive in traffic? 20 minutes. It was North Phoenix to downtown. It really wasn't that far at all. Did it cost you 10, 20 minutes extra in traffic.
Starting point is 00:11:07 That's all. Do it. Nope. Laziness. So I get this. This is a, I get this mentality. And alcoholism kind of creeps into that. But you recognize it.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Yeah, I recognize it. Kind of like a scientist who studies insects. I don't understand intellectually why they're doing what they're doing. I can't go, oh, this is what they're thinking, but I see the behavior. And I've cataloged it, and I understand it's happening. It's duly noted. Exactly. She said her dad always walked around with like 500 bucks in his pants pocket.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Holy shit. Which is an old school thing. My grandfather was a barber, always kept like two grand in cash in his pocket. That's too much. Always. That's too much. But for him, he grew up, his parents were immigrants. They came here.
Starting point is 00:11:53 He grew up in the Depression with an immigrant father who was like a maintenance man. You keep it. That was it. You keep it on there. Or he's seen heat and he's like, never keep anything that you can't walk out on in 30 seconds flat. Well, he was at the hospital one time. He almost died and he was on the table. I think I've told this before.
Starting point is 00:12:12 He's on the table and my father was there and he's telling him if he couldn't breathe and he's going, he's like trying to tell my father something. He's like, well, what? And he writes down on a piece of paper, scratch, which is what he called money. So my father goes into his pocket and he has $1,800 in his pocket for some reason. He was scared the hospital people were going to take it. So he's dying but he doesn't care about that. He's like get that money out of my pocket. That's what I'm talking about. That's a mentality.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Like I don't care if I die. Make sure they don't get my fucking money. That's nuts. That's what I mean. So it's kind of a mentality of like a blue collar guy back there of like well if anything happens I got enough cash on me to take care of it type of thing. Like I could bribe someone if I need to. That's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Jam averted. Whatever I have in my pocket is jam averted. I've got at least two days worth of funds of actual doing things. I'll be okay. I think that's what it is. That makes you feel good, I guess. I don't know. It feels freedom.
Starting point is 00:13:04 It feels freedom, yeah. I'm going to start doing that if I can get that what it is. That makes you feel good, I guess. I don't know. It feels freedom. It feels freedom, yeah. I'm going to start doing that. If I can get that much spare money, I'm going to start just carrying. I need to save up $500 just so I can carry it around always. Don't say that into a microphone. Somebody recognizes you in public. They're like, all I need is $500. I'm just going to roll that guy.
Starting point is 00:13:20 All the time. Go ahead. I dare you. Knock yourselves out. Jesus. Bring it, fuckers. Well, if you need more than 20 bucks, I'm out. Don't roll me.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Don't roll Jimmy. Because I won't have it. Roll me. I'm going to have it. You've got to give me a few months, though, and I think I can put it together. And then do that, and then we're going to be okay, I feel like. Yeah. $20 is all I'm carrying.
Starting point is 00:13:40 That's it. $500. Bring it on, fuckers. Enough for a free meal and a $20 tip and I'll leave. Six four and I carry a box cutter. Bring it. I don't give a fuck. I'm not taking my 500.
Starting point is 00:13:52 And I'm carrying a gun with that $20 still. And he's like, I'm still getting it taken. Fuck. Why do I have this gun? Never mind. Is that your thought there? Yeah, my gun's worth more than the pocket change. That's true.
Starting point is 00:14:06 They just end up stealing your gun at that point. Never mind the cash. Give me that gun. Fuck. All right, there you go. And hold it on him. So, yeah, she said that her father would send her to the store to get a gallon of milk, and he'd give her a $50 bill and tell her to keep the change.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Shit like that. That's nice. It's not like they had no money. That's what I mean. It was like, yeah, there were like the, she was the kid in the trailer park that had the good toys.
Starting point is 00:14:29 You know what I mean? You're like, Oh, your mom must be a really successful prostitute. No. Or your father sell pills. Yeah. Okay,
Starting point is 00:14:36 good. Like that's, if you live in a trailer park and there's a kid with all this shit, you're thinking either one of the two, one of those two things has happened. Oh yeah. Her mom's boyfriend selling Coke. Obviously that's trailers. That's usually a kids. Well, shit, you're thinking either one of those two things has happened. Oh, yeah, her mom's boyfriend's selling Coke, obviously.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Trailers and somebody else's name, they're for sure wanted. That's usually kids I knew, and that's how it worked out. Her father was retired Navy, so she said she was born in an Army hospital. Her father did not want her to have her original name. Her mother was going to call her Jennifer, was her original name, which is like half the girls born in the 70s are named Jennifer. It was going to be Jennifer Lynn. Apparently, this is a story out of a later book that she wrote. Her mother was in labor.
Starting point is 00:15:14 She says her father was, quote, a bit of a drinker. But her mother was in labor for 36 hours. Yeah, which is a lot. So he was drinking and drinking and drinking. He went to the Army base to drink, and he was apparently drinking all over the place. The military police finally found him wandering around like some bushes somewhere, shit-faced, while his wife was giving birth.
Starting point is 00:15:39 They were going to arrest him, but then he explained the circumstances of, hey, my wife is blah, blah, blah. So they took him to the hospital instead because we want to take this sloppy fuck to a clean area where a woman's delivering a baby. That's perfect. You're going to say, guys, I'm shit-faced because she's going to name her Jen. I don't like it. Gary Coleman says if you stay single long enough, you will fuck a lot of Jens. That's a good point. There are so many girls named Jen out there. He's in that generation.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Where half the girls were named Jen. Filled with Jens. When I was in high school, or high school, any class of any school I was ever in, there was at least three girls named Jen everywhere. I think growing up I had like four girlfriends named Jennifer. I swear to God. I'm not even fucking exaggerating. I could think of four
Starting point is 00:16:23 immediately, so there's probably more. I don't even know. I've for sure put my mouth on a few Gents. That's true. Before the age of 16, I had four girlfriends named Jennifer. So that tells you how many Jennifers there are, because I wasn't like a, you know, I didn't have a million girlfriends, so that's a lot of Jennifers. At one point, I was deciding
Starting point is 00:16:40 between two girls named Jennifer in the eighth grade, so that tells you a lot right there. I don't get it. All the girls are just named Jen. They in the eighth grade. So that tells you a lot right there. I don't get it. All the girls are just named Jen. They're all named Jen. So he comes in to the delivery room with a bottle of vodka, which I don't know why the cops would think. They'd be like, yeah, go on in, but leave this with us.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Hey. How do they not take that off of him? Keep that behind. I think you had enough. Nope. Nope. In an army hospital, too. This isn't like they have authority there, these people.
Starting point is 00:17:07 I think they would. They're like, no, no, let him keep it. She's going to name her Jen. Jesus Christ. Well, he says, he bursts, she says he bursts in the door and says, quote, she's not Jennifer, she's Tamara. Yep. He is pissed about this Jen thing.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Yeah. Apparently that. There you go. So that was, he wants Tamara. This is 72. he is pissed about this so yeah apparently that there you go so that was and what year is this in the 70s 72 so she was named Tamara apparently that's the thing about the 70s too your drunk father could burst into the delivery room and make a
Starting point is 00:17:37 just a shit face declaration and the mother would do it she would fucking fill that bridge imagine if you did that when you burst in drunk while your wife was having one of your kids and be like, Raymond and Harvey. She'd be like, get the fuck out of here. She would kick the shit out of you. She would have you removed and fucking, oh, my God, your balls would be in your ears by the time you knew. Likely arrested for some offense.
Starting point is 00:17:58 Something. You couldn't do that. In the 70s, they were like, he wants Tamara. I guess we're named. Get me the birth certificate. They'll fill it right out. Do you see what you're doing to him with the Jen? Come on.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Yeah. People are like, come on. He works hard. This guy. Look at him. Look how drunk you got him just by mentioning Jen. Back then, all you had to do was work hard and you could do anything. And people go, he works hard.
Starting point is 00:18:17 And they go, well, he works hard. Yeah, that's right. So ridiculous. Now I work my balls off and I can't pay my bills. That's what I mean. It's like he works hard. Now it doesn't matter what he does. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Your kids will tell you to fuck off. Like back then, if you could beat the shit out of your kid and the mother would go up to him and go, Daddy works very hard. That was the excuse for it. You could be a dick. Don't you understand how hard he works? He works hard. He's tired.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Jesus. He's tired. Jesus. He's still got enough energy to punch me. He doesn't work hard enough as me. I work like 80 hours a week. I'm not allowed to say shit to anybody. This is bullshit. This isn't fair. I was born in the wrong time.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Fuck, man. Jesus Christ. So Tammy played the piano growing up. She wanted to be a veterinarian when she was a kid like every other little fucking kid. Goals and aspirations and shit. What? 80% of the girls in the 80s were named Jennifer and wanted to be veterinarians. So I feel like she's right in line with that.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Finally, when she's a kid, about seven years old, she discovers wrestling. She discovers WWF wrestling, which is WWE now, WWF in the 70s and 80s when she discovered it. And you can't explain it if you don't live, I don't know. If you're not from the Northeast, it's hard to explain what WWF, WWE is to the Northeast, and especially was in the 70s and 80s. It was the local thing. It wasn't like that big crazy thing you would see on TV. I mean, it was on TV and all that, but it was like, yeah,
Starting point is 00:19:47 every arena around here has wrestling every month. WWE's always here. You'd see the guys. If people went out to bars, they'd see the wrestlers. That's where they all lived, was in the Northeast. Is it really? Oh, yeah. Still Connecticut. Stanford, Connecticut's the WWF, WWE's headquarters.
Starting point is 00:20:04 I don't think I ever knew that. I don't think I even cared to look it up. You know what I mean? Oh, no. And back then in the territory system, which we've explained in all the other ones, all those territory systems, the Northeast was its own territory. And that was like I grew up in South Poughkeepsie there in Wappingers. So the Mid-Hudson Civic Center, that's where they did their television tapings for a long
Starting point is 00:20:23 time. So the national show that you'd see on Saturday morning was taped right by my house. That's fascinating because as a kid in Arizona that's got it on TV, I guess it doesn't occur to an eight-year-old to go, where are they taping this? I mean, you think of that as like it's like Yankee Stadium or something like that. It's just this location out there where you go. For us, it was just- It's just a thing that's happening somewhere.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Yeah. For us, it was just like that's the local thing. You know what I mean? That's interesting. WWF. And especially back then in the late 70s when she got into it, that was like when Bruno San Martino was at the end of his thing. So it was just a really big deal back there.
Starting point is 00:20:54 And it was like the local thing. She said she never had seen it before. She didn't know anything about it. But some kid from the neighborhood wasn't allowed to watch it at home. Yeah. There's always this hyper kid who's not allowed to watch wrestling. my son i will not show wrestling no he's 11 uh hyperactive uh as autism he's hyperactive and he's fucking huge he does not need to know any anything like that at all don't tell him that exists oh the thoughts of doing things dude like wrestling
Starting point is 00:21:22 with his sister without knowing that it's wrestling. It's there. If you show him how to do things. Get up on top of it, wait until she turns her back, and then bulldog her. That's it. It's over. It's like Encino Man. Yeah. We can't have that shit.
Starting point is 00:21:36 Because I'm very calm and all that, and I did that shit as a kid. So if I did it, he's going to do it more. Yeah. And hope Brendan Fraser, a kid at school. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He fucking absolutely will. I'll drive him and put him on his shoulders in a helicopter. Dude, my mom used to have this body pillow that I used to just fucking jump off the top rope on
Starting point is 00:21:55 and fucking do flying elbow smashes like Macho Man. Off the back of the fucking couch. Oh, God, that's what I did. I did the back of the couch and would launch myself and throw myself onto the floor like a maniac and shit. He'll do that, my son, so I cannot show him. So apparently this kid was one of those kids that can't be shown wrestling. It's already hard enough when he plays Mario Kart, and that's not even any bodilyโ€” Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:18 You know what I mean? He's not physically doing anything, but it's already hard enough with Joey doing that shit. Losing his fucking mind. Losing his temper, jumping around like a maniac. Because the game cheats! That fucking game. It cheats, yeah. Mario Kart does cheat. Let's not get into that. Mario Kart, that's a cheating cocksucker every time. That Mario is an unscrupulous
Starting point is 00:22:38 motherfucker. I would not hire him to do any plumbing is all I have to say because he cheats like crazy. You get in the first place and then the only thing that you can collect are bananas? That's fucking dumb. Yeah. Eat dicks. That's dumb.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Eat dicks, fella. Bananas for you. You're in first place. What do you want? Fucking, I don't know, red fucking shells. That's what I want. No, you can't have them. You're in first place.
Starting point is 00:22:55 It's like the NFL draft. You're your last pick now. The shit team gets the red shells. So this kid came over and was like, can I watch this? And she was like, I don't know. I guess we can turn it on. And then she said she was immediately hooked into the whole thing. And that's, I guess, how you find it is somebody.
Starting point is 00:23:13 It's weird. When you were a kid, because there was no internet, you couldn't discover things on your own. It was like this grapevine, playground grapevine of shit, where word would spread of things. And it's amazing how rumors used to spread back in the day with no like technological means of spreading. Like how did it get from that one town? Who was the kid who was like the, you know, the patient zero who would go from that one
Starting point is 00:23:36 town where everybody's saying it and get it, spread it to other towns. And it would be, we all heard the same rumors. I guarantee you, we heard the same playground rumors as kids 2,000 away from each other it's weird as fuck how does how does uh you swallow a watermelon seed and you'll grow a watermelon in there yeah yeah how does every kid know that every kid knows how does everybody know that jimmy that's common knowledge i mean we all know you swallow your bubble gum and it stays in there and never digest ever forever so if you keep swallowing it you end up with a giant ball of bubble gum that will obstruct all of your food and you'll die.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Don't you know that? How the fuck does a kid in Arizona hear that same rumor as the kid in New York? And it's not even fucking true. Also had a gym teacher once tell me that if you swallow your gum, it goes to your appendix and that's why appendix burst and they have to take that out. So don't swallow your gum. Then it turned out that that guy was a molester. So I started swallowing my gum again.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Fuck you, dude. The one I told you. That was the molesting gym teacher. Unbelievable. So in addition to spanking children for their birthday, he also gave very poor medical advice, which I would expect from a molesting gym teacher. I wouldn't expect anything less. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:44 He knows a lot of WebMD bullshit. You know, that type of thing. She said she got into it immediately, much like I did. For me, it was my cousin Jesse told me about WrestleMania 2 when I didn't know anything about wrestling. He's like, Hulk Hogan and King Kong Bundy are going to fight in a cage. You need to see this. That all sounds amazing, but what the fuck are you talking about? I don't know what a Hulk Hogan is. I don't know what and King Kong Bundy are going to fight in a cage. And I'm like, who? That all sounds amazing, but what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I don't know what a Hulk Hogan is.
Starting point is 00:25:08 I don't know what a King Kong Bundy is. That one sounds really fucking cool. If those two people are guys and they're going to fight inside of anything, I'm going to fucking watch that. Like, that's, and when he first said a steel cage, I pictured like a dog cage. I pictured two grown men inside a cage they could barely fit into. And I thought it would be boring but brutal. You know what I mean? Absolutely brutal.
Starting point is 00:25:27 This is hand-to-hand combat right here. He can't get away. And then I saw what it was. It was like, oh, around the ring. That's a really big cage. Catch you now. Now, check. Check.
Starting point is 00:25:37 I saw a fucking Zumanity Cirque du Soleil show, and it was like that. The cage match was super. It's a fuckingil show, and it was like that. The cage match was โ€“ Really? It was super โ€“ it's a fucking weird show, first of all. Yeah, well, it's โ€“ Like, there's a girl in a fishbowl that's naked, and she's, like, swimming around, which was really cool. There's some artistic representation there. Yeah, it's pretty awesome.
Starting point is 00:25:55 But then there's two dudes fighting in a cage. The cage is too fucking small. It's almost a dog cage. And then at the end of it, they make out. And I was just like, this is too much. I can't watch this. This is really a lot. And then half naked. It's fucking crazy.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Jimmy has a certain reservoir for gayness. He's like, it can fill. But if it rains too hard. It just escaped me of how to cheer for that. Because I'm a dude that loves boxing. I love fighting. So I understood the wrestling part.
Starting point is 00:26:28 I was like, yeah, fuck him up. And then at the end of it, they start making out. And I'm like, no, that's not how this works. What's happening now? Punch him. Hulk Hogan and King Kong Bundy didn't make out after their cage match. That would have changed the entire scope of WrestleMania, I feel like. To this day, it would be a different event.
Starting point is 00:26:43 I feel like if at the end of that, Hulk Hogan leg-dropped King Kong Bundy, walked out of the steel cage because that's how you win, but then took a pause, felt bad, went back inside, and instead of beating up Bobby the Brain Heenan, which is what he did in WrestleMania 2 when Bundy left, he instead picked Bundy's carcass up off the mat,
Starting point is 00:27:00 cradled him in his arms, and kissed him passionately. That would have been a completely different thing while Bobby the Brain Heenan filmed it from the outside. That would have been something. A handy cam on his shoulder. I feel like that crowd wouldn't have known how to react to that either. It would have been fucking silent. They wouldn't have known to boo.
Starting point is 00:27:20 No. Because they would have felt like pieces of shit. They wouldn't have known what to do, I feel like. You don't know what to do. They would have shocked the world. And I'll be honest, after every scene at that Zoom Anity thing, there was clapping and applause that
Starting point is 00:27:31 was deafening, except for that one. Everybody was like me. They were trying to process and didn't know. That's the thing. It's not like you're against guys making out. Make out all you want. It's just a lot. What was that? You got like a ripped white guy with like super blonde, slick back hair. And then this bald black guy that's just as ripped.
Starting point is 00:27:52 And they're like pushing each other around like crazy. That sounds pretty gay. And it's dancing. But it's dancing. They're shirtless and like fucking tight shorts. Yeah, well, you're describing as gay as fuck and wrestling at the same time. You're describing wrestling and gayness. You go, why don't you two just fucking make out?
Starting point is 00:28:08 And then they make out and you're like, I don't know that I wanted you to do that. I think I might have jumped the gun on that request. Guys, I'm happy for you. I'm thrilled for you. Congratulations. More power to you. Make out all you want. But I need a second to process and then I'll clap.
Starting point is 00:28:23 That's all. I need a second to go, okay, then they make, okay. Then I'll clap. But you need your brain. Oh, yeah, this is art. That's right. It takes a second. For a minute, you thought it was a UFC fight, and then you're like, whoa, hey.
Starting point is 00:28:35 This got real fucking intense really fast. Shit got real, man. So Tammy was hooked on wrestling, much like I was. She had the same type of thing where she started buying all the magazines and started trying. It's like I'm obviously, as you might be able to tell from like I like to gather information and weird things. So like I needed to know everything about everybody. Same thing with baseball. I needed to look at all the cards and memorize everybody's stats and shit like that, where they're from.
Starting point is 00:29:01 That's right, left, all that type of shit. Same thing with wrestling. I need to know everybody. I need to know who's good in all the different places. I need to know their heights, their weights, where they're from, you know, that's right, left, all that type of shit. Same thing with wrestling. You need to know everybody. You need to know who's good in all the different places. I need to know their heights, their weights, where they're from, the whole deal. Plus, you also need to know that so you can be your announcer in your head when you're playing with your wrestling figures. You need to know that Macho Man is, you know, 238 pounds from Sarasota, Florida.
Starting point is 00:29:19 You need to know that type of thing. So. Meanwhile, I don't know shit about shit. I don't know bats left or right for christ's sake i'm fucking insane i was heckling i was heckling at a baseball game and uh and and i made like a swinging gesture uh uh about somebody getting revenge on a pitcher because he was hitting hitting the ball instead of getting struck out like his last at bat and some asshole like three rows away turns turns around and goes,
Starting point is 00:29:46 he bats left-handed! That's amazing. And the crowd clapped. And I was like, you guys are all dicks. Fuck you. That's great. I like that everyone had his back. I like how it was bothering everyone. Everyone was watching and going, is he doing this right-handed?
Starting point is 00:30:02 This guy's such a fucking idiot right now. I don't care what he's saying, but he's clearly batting right-handed, and that's not real. So she was into it, same way, got all the magazines. She said her mom and her sister started taking her to the live shows at the Meadowlands there every month. She was super into it. The Meadowlands, it's northern New Jersey where the Giants played
Starting point is 00:30:24 and all that shit before they built the new stadium. And yeah, so she'd go there and they used to run, WWF had monthly shows. They were on the Madison Square Garden, Meadowlands, Nassau Coliseum, which are all in the same place, basically. Breaking it in. Constantly. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And they would, too, around the time of Hulk Hogan and all that.
Starting point is 00:30:39 These are all sellouts. 20,000, 20,000, 20,000 every time. So they were doing well, we'll say. But she was into it. I mean, they had to take her every month, which sounds. 20,000, 20,000, 20,000 every time. So they were doing well, we'll say. But she was into it. I mean, they had to take her every month, which sounds like, fuck, when I was a kid, if someone would have taken me every month, holy shit, I would have been so excited. Her dad is really killing it. He's killing it.
Starting point is 00:30:55 I got to go, well, I got to go to the ones at the Civic Center, but I got to go to Madison Square Garden once. Yeah. It was great. Yeah. I can imagine. One fucking time. I can't even imagine.
Starting point is 00:31:03 My parents didn't take me. It was like my cousin's stepfather or something that took me. No one's taken me. She credited Wendy Richter with getting her to make her want to be a wrestler and get into the wrestling business. Do you know who Wendy Richter is? If you guys don't know, they did a thing in about 84, WWF did, where Cyndi Lauper somehow met up with Captain Lou Albano and they became buddies, as you might know from any Cyndi Lauper video in the 80s, has a bunch of wrestlers in it.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Has Rowdy Roddy Piper, has Captain Lou Albano. So weird. You might see that and go, what the fuck is going on? At the time, she was super into wrestling and she ended up being in the WWF for like six months, which was weird as fuck. I do remember that. She was like Wendy Richter's manager. And she'd come out with Wendy Richter and she would have her producer and boyfriend, David Wolf, who's a record producer and a manager with her too.
Starting point is 00:31:56 It's so weird. It was so weird because she had this โ€“ because it was a big public thing. Cindy Lauper was a huge star in 1984. I mean, huge star. Girls just want to have fun. Fucking Goonies is a huge deal. It's like Britney Spears wandering down the fucking โ€“ That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:32:09 It's weird. It's super strange. Yeah, that's what's odd. Like a giant star being like โ€“ of the recording world being like, I'm this chick's manager now in wrestling. It's the weirdest shit. But at that time though, after their shows that I was watching about this that that like afterwards they talked to Danny DeVito's there in the audience. And they're talking to Danny DeVito, Andy Warhol, like all these celebrities are like going to wrestling shows. It became like this weird, kitschy thing to do in the 80s.
Starting point is 00:32:36 And it was on MTV. They had the war to settle the score, which was a big show with Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piperndi Lauper and Wendy Richter and Fabulous Moolah or whatever. And so they had โ€“ it was big nationally. It was on MTV. It was a big deal. And Wendy Richter was like โ€“ she looked very 80s. Like Cyndi Lauper was with her. She had like big hair and she had like bright eye makeup.
Starting point is 00:32:57 Pink and blue shit in it. Yeah. She had like the neon spandex and all that type of shit. She was very 80s. So I can imagine like a 12-year-old girl from New Jersey seeing that and being like, I want to be that. Look at the size of her hair. Right.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Yeah. Someday, bitch. Tits are out. Oh, man. I bet she smells like fucking Bacardi. This is perfect. Like Bacardi. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:19 Not even mixed with Coke or something. No. Just like the smell of Bacardi. Like Bacardi. Yeah. She didn't mix it with anything. She's got a whole of a bottle. She's got some rum and just ch something. No. Just like the smell of Bacardi. Like Bacardi. Yeah. She didn't mix it with anything. She just got a hold of a bottle. Just got some rum and just chugged it.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Come here, sweetheart. Gross. So she thought of Wendy Richter as a female role model there. She said she started lifting weights and started memorizing the manager's promos, the interviews. She'd start memorizing those. Interesting. Yeah, shit like that. I get what she's doing here uh she said she would she would uh you know she had her mom by her elbow and knee pads and she would like fucking practice wrestling moves and shit like
Starting point is 00:33:55 she was really really fucking into it as like a kid which is really funny and i totally get where she's going she'd put like you know bandanas around her wrists and ankles and all that type of shit to you know look like the rock and Roll Express or something in one of those 80s. Even Wendy Richter did that, too. She said she chose her entrance music was Warrior by Patti Smith. Oh, good Christ. You don't get any more 80s in that. So, yeah, she said she was there.
Starting point is 00:34:18 I am a warrior. That's ridiculous. So she called herself the American Dream Tammy Walker, which the American Dream is already Dusty Rhodes. What are you doing? But still, I don't know if she knew that back then. She might not have known that in New York. It was a vagina, so you can name yourself something too. Yeah, what the hell.
Starting point is 00:34:35 So, yeah, she was practicing that sort of thing. She was really, really into it. She said she started to get out of it around 13, which is when I got out of it too. It was like 11 or 12. I was like, I wasn't want to, wasn't interested anymore. It's not real. Yeah. Well, no, it was just like, there's, I like girls now and I want to go outside and they're
Starting point is 00:34:52 like skateboarding and girls, you know what I mean? Like that's what I was into at 12. I can see that guy's cock through his bulge. That's weird. That's skateboarding and girls. And you couldn't really pick up girls, pick up, you're 12, but you couldn't like get girls to like you talking about wrestling when you're 12. So you had to choose something else.
Starting point is 00:35:06 You either got to impress them or bond with them. Yeah. One of the two. Exactly. So I'll try this skateboarding move and then talk to them about fucking bands. Maybe that'll do it. I mean, granted, there are some girls today that are very impressed with wrestling knowledge. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:20 But it's not a plentiful group. It's not a huge group. When you're looking for numbers and the majority of people are going to look for something where they have their pick. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Of a large pool. A larger pool, exactly. And when the larger pool are impressed by somebody on a skateboard or a bicycle, that's the one you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:35:42 That's what you're doing, exactly. Or sports or something like that. Yeah, you're not going to be like, see Hulk Hogan yesterday? Like, that's the one you're going to do. That's what you're doing, exactly, or sports or something like that. Yeah, you're not going to be like, see Hulk Hogan yesterday? That's not going to work. When there's 11 women that are impressed by your knowledge of the ultimate warrior. Yeah. But there's 11,000 that are impressed by your kickflip. Yeah, I was just going to say, if you can fucking pop, if you can ollie over a garbage
Starting point is 00:36:03 can there, that's going to get you way more. Yeah. Way more. All right. So she says it's around 13 is when she attends her last live show that her family takes her to. And she goes, you know, pays for as a kid here. It's an AWA show, which is AWA is the Minnesota group that we talked about where Buck Zumhoff
Starting point is 00:36:21 came out of. Got it. So go back to, I think, episode 74. And you want to hear all about the AWA. Don't eat. All about Vern Gagne and all that shit in the AWA there. But that's a whole other episode. Anyway, WrestleRock Rumble.
Starting point is 00:36:35 You will sum everything up. Just look up WrestleRock Rumble. It's on YouTube. That's the AWA. And then feel horrible. Oh, my God. That is terrible. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:36:44 And somebody put that out as promo. That's why they hired a firm for that. They hired people. Somebody thought that was a great finished product. Yeah, they were like, this is perfect. To the exact beat of the Super Bowl shuffle. Yeah, that's popular. Last year, so this will be popular, too.
Starting point is 00:36:59 So, yeah. But they were on ESPN. This is 85, so they were on ESPN at this point. So they had to be 86 because that's when Shawn Michaels came into the AWA. I know this from the Buck Zumhoff episode. So she's 14. It's 86. AWA started to try to come to New York, the New York area, because they were on national TV on ESPN.
Starting point is 00:37:20 So they did a show in Asbury Park, New Jersey, and she went to this show as her last show. And this is the time she said she fell in love with Shawn Michaels. If you don't know who Shawn Michaels is, look him up. He was a wrestler for, I don't know, 30 years probably. Yeah, back in the day he was a very handsome. Now he's like a cross-eyed and weird
Starting point is 00:37:40 and shit, but he was a very handsome dude, especially for like the 80s and early 90s. Blonde, long blonde hair. Yeah, just like, but he was a very handsome dude, especially for the 80s and early 90s. Blonde, long blonde hair. Yeah, and he was a young guy, too. At this point, he's like 20 years old. Fairly big, right? He's like 6'1", but he looks tiny in wrestling. He always looked super small
Starting point is 00:37:56 because everybody's fighting 6'6". But he's actually 6'1", 230 pounds. And very good. And very good. He's a great wrestler, too. A lot of fun to watch. Really good shit. This is when he was first starting out and he was in the Rockers, Midnight Rockers at the time with Marty Jannetty, and they were both like this young, they were like young, cool dudes that came out to Judas Priest music and had bandanas tied around all their
Starting point is 00:38:19 shit. In 86, they were considered cool. Who are the shit? And they would come out, and girls would screech and all that type of shit uh so uh she said she she saw sean michaels and that was you know she was like obsessed with him from then on uh she said she would watch awa on tv to try to see him yeah she brings up the wrestle rock rumble as well she does she does she said that those those are the wrestle rock rumble days that she watched and those i was watching that too, sister.
Starting point is 00:38:45 I hear you. I was a lot younger than you, but still, I hear you. So, yeah, she said she didn't think she'd ever be able to meet him or anything like that, though. So she goes through high school, and she's not really into wrestling anymore, obviously, like we said. Yeah, she's a high school girl. Yeah, she's into, I don't know. Whatever the fuck they did in high school in the 70s or 80s. Drawing ponies and shit. It was the 80s. It was like we said. Yeah, she's a high school girl. She's a bit assailed. Yeah, she's into, I don't know. Whatever the fuck they did in high school in the 70s or 80s. Drawing ponies and shit.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I don't know. It was the 80s. It was the 80s. She was talking on the phone. 87, 88. Yeah. Let's see. From the 80s footage I've seen.
Starting point is 00:39:13 A lips phone. Yeah, she talked on one of those lips phones or one of those clear ones where you can see all the inner workings. I figure she did that a lot. Those stupid ones that fucking connected together. Yeah. And then if it just came off just a little bit, then you get that fucking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:29 She played stand-up arcade games, I figure. She went and did stuff like that. That's all I can imagine she was doing. She got up from her bed to change the channel on her TV. Watching MTV. She wouldn't change it because it would be MTV. Well, maybe when The Warrior was over, she'd have to change it. She's like, I don't like Duran Duran.
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Starting point is 00:41:52 Go now. Go get your razors. And now back to the show. It is her senior year in high school that she meets a young man that she's going to be connected with for a while here. She meets Chris Candido is his name. I don't know if you know who he is. Probably not. Chris Candido is a wrestler as well.
Starting point is 00:42:14 As well, he becomes a wrestler after this. And he's one of these guys that I, you know, from all these episodes and everything, I've seen a ton of these interviews with these wrestlers because now they do these interviews. I got to say, the one group that puts them out, the Kayfabe Commentaries, as they're called, they do a really, really good job with this shit. They really do. They're well-researched, these questions. They sit down with these people, and they really go over everything with a fine-tooth comb. For a guy like me, very helpful to hear it from the horse's mouth type of thing. of the fine tooth comb for a guy like me.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Very helpful to hear it from the horse's mouth type of thing. And they all, everyone, everybody they interview, Sonny is brought up because she's one of these people. A, we'll get into, she fucked everybody. Oh boy, Jesus Christ. Everybody. And she's just a character that is always, always talked about. Like everyone has an opinion on her. No one's like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:43:03 She's okay. Everyone's like, fuck that bitch. Or, you know, I love her. No one's like, I don't know, she's okay. Everyone's like, fuck that bitch. Or, you know, I love her, she's the best. Only two reactions. Chris Candido, on the other hand, never heard a bad word. And this is like, wrestlers are like comics. Like, you can ask them if they like someone. Oh, yeah, yeah, he's okay, he's okay.
Starting point is 00:43:18 Second, that green room door shuts. They're like, he raped my sister. He's a fucking asshole. He's a hack. He stole three jokes from this guy. He's got a coke addiction. They fucking hate everybody. And these guys will be going down, oh, that guy's a scumbag. That guy's a dickhead. This guy's that. They'll get to Candido.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Nicest guy in the world. What a great guy. Never heard a bad word said about him. And anything personally, professionally, they all say he's a great wrestler. He's amazing in the ring. He does whatever you need to do. He's terrific outside the ring. He's a sweetheart to do he's terrific outside the ring he's a sweetheart of a guy just the best all of them are like i just don't know what the fuck he saw
Starting point is 00:43:50 in that girl i mean they're like i get what he saw in her but i don't know why he would keep putting up with being abused because wait till you hear what she puts him through really dude this is bad stuff like there's people who these wrestlers they're just like they tell these stories and they're like i just feel fucking terrible to this day. Twenty years later telling the story because it's so shitty to Chris. Like that's how bad she was to him later on. And she denies it and she says other things and we don't know their arrangement, but she's a fuck. She's a little fucked as we'll find out.
Starting point is 00:44:20 I can't I don't know or I can't judge her, but she seems a bit fucked here. I don't know her. I can't judge her, but she seems a bit fucked here. She says that, let's do it in their own words about Chris Candido here and finding him. And let's start it out with that. In their own words, quote, Chris Candido and I dated from senior year on. We were high school sweethearts. At that time, I started doing a little indies as his valet or manager or whatever.
Starting point is 00:44:46 When Chris Candido got the job with Smoky Mountain Wrestling, I said to myself, well, I'm not going to let him move there by himself. So I'm just going to transfer college and move on down there. Wow. So Chris ends up, she starts out doing a lot of the Northeast Indies, especially in the late 80s, early 90s, like early 92, 93. The Northeast was like just fucking Indie wrestling promotions everywhere. That's where like EC fucking indie wrestling promotions everywhere. That's where like ECW sprung out of.
Starting point is 00:45:08 And they were all over the place, though. It was just they were bubbling. So for a guy breaking in, there was a lot of work to find because a lot of the other โ€“ all the territories had died. You know, all the AWA and all those type of places had died. So they had these places to work. So he was doing that shit and then smoky mountain wrestling is down in uh knoxville and that is uh jim cornett's wrestling company we've talked about a lot a lot uh funny story here while they're in smoky mountain the jim cornett dairy queen incident where he screams and freaks out at the dairy queen lady right at the drive-thru while
Starting point is 00:45:40 they while he was doing that chris and tam Tammy were inside at the counter watching this happen through the drive-thru window. They all came together, and they said, we'll go inside. And they said, okay, we're going to go through the drive-thru. Amazing. And that's what ended up happening. And they were like, what? Is that fucking Jim out there through the drive-thru window calling that lady a cunt? This is awesome.
Starting point is 00:46:02 So I thought that was pretty damn funny. She said they were down there a few months, and Chris was part of a few TV shows. She said Jim Cornette asked them, Chris and Tammy, to go out to dinner with him. She said they were all excited. They were thinking that he was going to try to help Chris with his career or that sort of thing. So they were real happy about it. And they ended up, he said he wanted her in there too. He said basically to quit school for a couple.
Starting point is 00:46:33 This is never, okay, never do this. Never. If a carny man asks you to take off college for six months, don't do it. Ever. He said take six months off school, and that's all school, and that's all he would need her for. She said she wasn't going to do that. She didn't want to take six months off of school. She said she'd adjust her classes to make it work out.
Starting point is 00:46:55 She said her dad was supporting her financially. My dad's paying for this, so fuck you. Yeah, that's what it was. He said that she had credit cards, and he would put money in her bank account and pay her rent and all that. So she was just whatever. So she said she thought it'd be nice to have her own money by working some weekends here and, you know, to be able to have a little extra money. So basically, he said that Tammy says that Jim Cornette gave her promos basically here, cut these interviews about this over here. She said she looked at it and asked him if he wanted it word for word,
Starting point is 00:47:31 and she said she had a photographic memory and blah, blah, blah. Jim Cornette, who talks shit about everybody, does say that she's insanely talented. Really? He said she's insanely talented. She's smart as fuck, and she is. That's the thing. That's what's frustrating. Frustrating. Fuck you. That's what's so talented. She's smart as fuck. And she is. That's the thing. That's what's frustrating. Frustrating.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Fuck you. That's what's so annoying. Yeah. Cocksuckers, take that. That's what's so fucking annoying, though, is that she's super smart. And when you hear her talk, you're like, yeah, she's fucking smart as shit. Stop fucking up. Stop it.
Starting point is 00:48:00 She does the stupidest shit in the world, and she's clearly a smart, well-spoken person. It drives you nuts. Makes it sound like her stupidity's calculated. That's what I mean. It's like, are you trying to be fucking stupid? What is your deal? So, yeah, she does Smokey Mountain. That's her first full-time gig, basically.
Starting point is 00:48:20 Is she a jealous woman? The reason I ask is because if you're dating a woman who gets likeโ€” Depends on if she's drinking. Put it that way. A lot of her behavior depends on if she's drinking. That's all it is. I'm just trying to compare it to as a dude. If your girlfriend gets a modeling gig somewhere, are you going to transfer schools to move there?
Starting point is 00:48:40 Only if you're a fucking jealous dude that's terrified of what she's doing. I feel like that's probably a lot of it is uh when it's based on appearance and physical performance absolutely yeah well she's also too she's she's like gone around the independent scene with him and she knows what these guys are like and she knows what the girls are like yeah like the guys and she knows these guys fuck right these girls i mean that's all there's gonna be put somewhere moist they call them rats and they're everywhere. You know what I mean? So it's one of those things.
Starting point is 00:49:08 So they put her in. When she went down there, she was going to the University of Tennessee full time. So she wasn't even going to like community college, which you know what I mean? So yeah, Jim Cornette told her that he needs a girl for this part he's figured out. And she's hot. And she's hot, exactly. So what the hell, basically. And she's young, too.
Starting point is 00:49:30 At this point, she's like 20, 21 years old. She's this young girl. You know, whatever. She said she was pre-med at this point, by the way. Oh, because she wanted to be a vet. Every girl says they're pre-med. And also, if you're not a doctor. She said she wanted to be a pediatrician at that point.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Okay. So, yeah. But if you're not a doctor and you're in school, you're pre-med. That's the thing. Yeah, everybody. I'm pre-med. Right. I'm pre-med.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Technically. I'm super pre-med. Technically, I'm pre-med. Yeah. Way before med. Here's med. I'm way over there. Not even close to it.
Starting point is 00:50:01 So. I mean, that's what it is. Far. Right. Far from med. That's what it should have been called. So. I mean, that's what it is. Far. Right. Far from med. That's what it should have been called. Right. Until you're in medical school, they should call it.
Starting point is 00:50:11 Not even really that close to med. No. Nope. Not med. Not med. What are you, not med? Right. So you're a freshman?
Starting point is 00:50:18 Yes. So she comes in. Right. This character they put out there, this is in 93, so this is right after Bill Clinton was elected president. Got it. So they base a character based on, and you got to imagine, too, this is like down south. They base a character kind of based on like a Hillary Rodham Clinton character back then, like a feminist type character.
Starting point is 00:50:39 And in the early 90s, that was like, it's not like now where you're like, yeah, go get yours. Like back then, people were just going to fucking roll their eyes at that shit. Like it's not like now where you're like, yeah, go get yours. Like back then people were just fucking roll their eyes at that shit. Like that's all it was. Not going to make me a sandwich ass. There's her shoulder pads and her no sandwich making. Perfect. Like that's how people were back then. So they, they, she's going to
Starting point is 00:50:57 make me mow the lawn and then not get me a beer. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. She's never going to say he works hard. She's never going to say that. She couldn't care less say, he works hard. She's never going to say that. She couldn't care less about how hard I work. She's going to scream about how much. He works so hard. Right. How equal she is and how she works just as hard.
Starting point is 00:51:12 She works just as hard. So. By the way, somebody saying he works hard takes nothing away from you. No matter what sex you are. Yeah, but you can't give him any credit. He might start feeling good about himself and then that's the end of everything. Keep you a certain amount of down, Jimmy. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:51:36 They called this character Tamara Murphy Fitch, which is like the three-name thing. Same thing. Fitch, not Sitch. Fitch, not Sitch, butitch, not Sitch. But still with the Y, F-Y-T-C-H. And her character, the whole thing was how she got into the wrestling, where they got
Starting point is 00:51:53 this chick from, basically. She said that she would sue Jim Cornette for not hiring her for discrimination and blah, blah, blah. So that automatically makes her a bad guy back then because everyone would boo you, whiny asshole. So that automatically makes her a bad guy back then because everyone would boo you, whiny asshole. So they brought her in immediately.
Starting point is 00:52:09 A vagina with an opinion? You're an asshole. Oh, quit talking with your boobs. I don't know. I think their boobs talk. I haven't looked at one of their faces in a long time. Every time I look at your boobs, I hear sounds. Sounds of disagreement.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Yeah, sounds and things. The only sound I never hear, though, is he works hard. I never hear that. Everything else, he's an asshole. He's lazy. Drinks too much. Drinks too much. Doesn't like it when I hit her.
Starting point is 00:52:42 Things like that. That she got plenty of. All I hear is don't hit me and stop drinking. And I'm done. Never. But I work hard. She said the first time she got ever put in front of a camera, she said she was pretty much a natural at it. And I can't deny it because Jim Cornette says the same thing.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Put her in front of a camera, said, let's try this out, and she said she was a pro immediately. Like, okay, I don't have to worry about her. Basically, after six months, she was doing so well that she ended up not doing, ended up not finishing school and continuing in the wrestling business because she was doing so well. And wrestling is a lot like comedy, which we've said a million times, in the regard of, like, one thing happens and then you never know. So that leads into this. Maybe this.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Folds into this. Maybe this. Folds into that. So it's one of those. And your next thing you know, you're ensnared in the whole fucking thing. Same exact thing. You're chasing that delicious carrot that doesn't exist. That doesn't exist.
Starting point is 00:53:44 But for her it exists, actually. It's weird if you're 21 and hot and talented. A lot more doors open. It's weird. Isn't it strange? It's almost as if sex sells. It's so crazy. And intelligence and fucking talent.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Jeez, it's so weird. Isn't that weird? I mean, there's something for everybody that's interested in the opposite sex right there. That's really great. Good for her. The whole package. Yeah. You got it.
Starting point is 00:54:11 So in July of 1993, she's managing primetime Brian Lee. I don't think he was primetime Brian Lee. I think he was just Brian Lee, who I believe, if you're a WWE fan, the Wrestlemania with the Undertaker versus the fake Undertaker I believe he's the fake Undertaker I believe that's Brian Lee when Undertaker's really good friends until he believe it's him no that might have been no
Starting point is 00:54:36 I think it is him he got in trouble got in a domestic violence situation Brian Lee got arrested by the cops and gave them the Undertaker's name so there was amazing so there was reports for like a day that the undertaker got arrested for domestic violence brilliant and uh i don't know if they're friends anymore i'm gonna say i doubt it i doubt it so uh she's managing brian lee uh he beats tracy smothers for the smoky mountain heavyweight
Starting point is 00:55:00 title uh tracy smothers is an old southern wrestler guy who everybody says is really tough but he's boring as fuck to watch and i could never really get past one couldn't get into one of his matches ever uh november of 1994 uh there's a tournament uh for the vacant nwa world heavyweight title that chris candido wins and she's managing chris candido uh over tracy smothers and this is after this is kind of for wrestling fans only, this is after the Shane Douglas thing where he won the NWA title and threw it down and said he was propping up the ECW belt as the belt and said this belt sucks, we don't want this anymore.
Starting point is 00:55:37 This one's better. Yeah, this one's better. It was a good PR move for him. But this is after that. So they're doing so well. And actually, during this time period, too, they make a couple of little shots in ECW when it was still Eastern
Starting point is 00:55:49 Championship Wrestling back then. Chris does a few things and Tammy comes in with him. That sort of thing here. Now, 1994, Tammy actually is recruited by the WWE at this point. So, this is a big deal.
Starting point is 00:56:06 She arrives. She starts out as Tammy Sitch, they call her. They make her a, quote, special events reporter. They call her Tamara Murphy, the special events reporter. And after like a month, they change her name to Sunny. They kind of gave her a character. I remember she used to host off-brand shows. There's a show on at Saturday at 11.30 in the morning. It would be like a highlight show for a half hour.
Starting point is 00:56:31 It would be her. It was like, hi, I'm Sonny, and let's look at this match. That was what she did. It didn't do much for her. It's money, but it's a stupid gig. It's a foot in the door for a 22-year-old kid or whatever. At that point, Chris comes in. Chris Candido comes into WWE, and this is one of the stupidest fucking gimmicks I've ever seen in my life, basically.
Starting point is 00:56:55 He comes in. He wears these kind of bright-colored spandex that look like workout. Not like the regular shorts. He's got like a singlet. Yeah, kind of like more like that. It's like a singlet, but it's also like it looks. Is it two straps or one? Two straps.
Starting point is 00:57:11 The two strap ones here. Not the Andre the Giant caveman one strap. Only Andre can pull that off. It's the only one. And that's ridiculous too. If you're a giant, wear that. That's fine. It's crazy because if somebody.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Because you look like a caveman. Right. If I'm designing that for a man, trying to figure out what he's wearing, and somebody goes, a one-armed singlet, I'm going, no. No, that's terrible. It's ridiculous. His tit's going to fall out. Yeah. But then you put it on him and you're like โ€“
Starting point is 00:57:35 He's going to have one displayed. Genius. Genius. Look at that. Who did that? For Andre, yeah. So basically they would act like they were like workout people and they would be like, you people are fat. And so that was like their gig basically.
Starting point is 00:57:50 Then they bring in another guy who's Tom Pritchard, who's an old โ€“ oh, God, he's gone forever, Tom Pritchard, as a wrestler. Tom Pritchard as his partner from Smoky Mountain. He was down there. Tom Pritchard and him become the Body Donnas, they call themselves. I don't know if you remember them. They both had short, bleach-blonde hair, very, very yellow, bright hair, and brightly colored outfits.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Brightly colored spandex, and Sonny was there. Their names were Skip and Zip. This is what I mean. This is a bad time. 95, 96. This is when the WWE had garbage men. You know what I mean? They is a bad time. 95, 96. This is when the WWE had garbage men. You know what I mean? Like guys, they had Duke the Dumpster Drosy.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Zero creativity. They were trying to be too creative. They had Mantar and shit, like a guy with a big bison head on. This is the time where it was really bad and they were losing money. It was right after the steroid trial. And I think Vince lost his touch here for a minute. It feels like, though, in those moments when you rattle off what that is what they settle on it almost feels like that's just like a one take they're like you name something you name something jam them
Starting point is 00:58:55 together that's our gimmick let's go stupid no this is like they came up with that for they didn't the wrestlers didn't come in with this idea hey we're gonna be skipping zip yeah no wrestlers ever said call call me zip, please. And fucking I'm going to. That's never happened. And by the way, skip is the one that at least flip. I mean, something that. Skip and zip.
Starting point is 00:59:15 Obviously, they're supposed to be hated. And she's their manager. And she's like, you know. But it's so funny because they're kind of like, I don't know. They're kind of smaller guys. They're not the road warriors or anything like that. So you look at them and you're like, I don't know. And you're like, why is she with them?
Starting point is 00:59:31 She's too good for them. Even I remember back in the day, like as a teenager, I was like, she's too good for them. Why is she with them? I don't know anything about it, but I knew that it wasn't right. So what was their gimmick then? What are they doing? What's their activity? They're like workout fanatic people.
Starting point is 00:59:46 And that was basically it. They won the WrestleMania 12. They won the tag team championships. Over an even worse gimmick, the Godwins. I don't know if you remember the Godwins. They were pig farmers, they called them. Oh, fuck. Vince McMahon has a hillbilly obsession.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Yeah, he does. From the 80s. He has a genebilly obsession from the 80s. He has a jean obsession. But he really likes when when people either wear overalls, cut off overalls or just jeans and a white T-shirt. What the fuck is that? He grew up in North Carolina. So I really think that he thought that hillbillies were funny. Farmers are farmers. That's I mean, like hillbilly Jim and Uncle Elmer all his fucking cousin Luke and all those other ones they had. All the Hillbilly Jim's acolytes.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Like in the 80s. And then in the 90s, they brought these guys in. And in the 90s, nobody wanted to see this. Nobody wanted to see this. Like this is not cool. And it was Phineas Godwin and Henry Oga because he was Hogg was his initials. Henry Oga. So stupid.
Starting point is 01:00:44 And they were big, sloppy dudes. And during this whole thing, the whole point of this whole little program is that Phineas Godwin falls in love with Sonny. And, you know, then, of course, her tag team beats them because they do like a George the Animal Steel with the Elizabeth thing from the 80s. And when they put the overalls on them. There's very little more wrestling and a whole lot of crime. So don't worry. Like, it's going to be so much crime. I'm telling you.
Starting point is 01:01:16 When he picked the characters that wore the overalls, it was never somebody that overalls like looked decent. No, it was a fat guy. It's always a. A fat hairy man. With his fat man tits hanging out the sides of him. Absolutely. No shirt. No shirt.
Starting point is 01:01:24 How dare you to even think you're wearing a shirt uh real hillbillies don't wear shirts jimmy i think that's the point of the chest i picture vince mcmahon getting a guy in there he's got a shirt on why is he wearing that shirt hillbillies don't wear shirts get that shirt off that guy i on if you cut it off him come on buddy what are you doing there with that shirt on him we don't wear shirts around here ridiculous people go out and they hog they slop hogs with no shirts on that's what they do in the south don't you know anything that's the point of them they're easy easy to clean. Oh, man. Looking good, buddy, but a little too much shirt there, I'm going to say. What do you think, pal?
Starting point is 01:02:10 A little too much shirt you got there. I wear overalls for my job. I don't know when it was, but it was- Please wear them shirtless one of these days, because I'll crack the fuck up laughing. There's a point that overalls became like an insult to people. Not like to make them wear them, but like when you wear them, I don't know when it was. Because they used to be cool. In the 90s it was cool.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Yeah, people would wear them. Like you'd wear them with one strap or you'd wear two straps. Fucking Cavaricci overalls and shit. It was cool at some point. But then there became this moment because I wear them and I'm standing directly in front of somebody. They can see what I'm wearing and they go, are you fucking wearing overalls? I did it when I saw you. One time you
Starting point is 01:02:49 showed up at my house and popped out and you go, I'm wearing fucking overalls right now, dude. What are you wearing? What are you wearing to my house? I'm wearing them right in your face. You know that I'm wearing them, yet it still doesn't register that I would choose it. No. Am I would choose? No.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Am I seeing things? I'd be like, why? Is that a shirt with straps? What are you doing? Excuse me, Jimmy. Why do your pants have straps on them? I'm curious about that. Is there a problem?
Starting point is 01:03:18 Why do your pants have a pocket on your chest? What the hell is that? Jimmy, what are you, six months old? Are you six or are you fucking 72? I think I actually asked you, are those Oshkosh Bagosh? I think I actually did ask you that if they were Oshkosh Bagosh. To which you just dropped your head. You're fucking wearing overalls? All right.
Starting point is 01:03:42 You're wearing fucking overalls right now. You're not going to wear an overalls? All right. You're wearing fucking overalls right now. So all through this, there's a thing in here with the Godwins where Sonny gets slopped. Yeah. Where the Godwins brought a- That sounds- They were hog farmers.
Starting point is 01:03:56 They're gimmicks. So they'd bring a slop bucket with them. Okay. And the slop bucket was a bucket filled with disgusting shit. Ugh. Now, it's not supposed to be filled with disgusting shit. It's supposed to just look kind of gross and you throw it on somebody. But if not everybody likes you, well, they'll do shit to you.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Wrestlers love to fuck with each other. And especially they love to fuck with the ones they don't like. And if you have an attitude, I don't know how it is now, but back then if you had an attitude or if you thought you were hot shit or if you were just not a team player, you were going to get fucked with. They were going to destroy your shit. I've told you about cutting the legs off your pants and all that kind of thing, destroy each other's bags. They'd shit in each other's food. The Sable, the other one, Sable, somebody shit in her food and she ate it.
Starting point is 01:04:43 That's fucked up. There's rumors of a Sonny shit sandwich also. Really? Yeah, there's rumors of that. Does she eat the sandwich? That she ate the shit sandwich. Oh, my God. There's rumors of a Sonny shit sandwich that I've heard from, I think, Sean Waltman, who was X-Pac and 123 Kid and all that.
Starting point is 01:04:56 I believe he was talking about the Sonny shit sandwich. That ended up happening. By the way, that should happen in real life, too. It should, yeah. That'll make you really rethink your social abilities. I feel like it, but they said she didn't sell it for shit. She didn't fucking act like it was anything. She ended up complaining, but she wouldn't do it in front of the guys.
Starting point is 01:05:15 She wouldn't do anything. But the slop bucket, when they knew that Sonny was getting slopped with it, because everybody knew, they said, oh, let me have a second with that slop bucket. that Sonny was getting slopped with it because everybody knew. They said, oh, let me have a second with that slop bucket. Like, this is, they would be, you know, pissing it and shitting it. Yeah. Fucking, who God knows what else in it. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:05:31 Whatever they could, spit tobacco in it and shit like that. So when it gets all over her, it's fucking disgusting. I mean, they did this. They shit in Jerry Lawler's crown. Did they really? Yeah, somebody shit in Lawler. Because Lawler was an owner of Memphis, was the cheapest wrestling organization in the history of the world so everybody that used to work for him
Starting point is 01:05:48 hates his fucking guts because they all he stiffed them all so jerry the king he got his crown shit in there and then he complained about that that ends up happening there uh now this is the time we'll talk about this yeah she's in the w with Chris Candido, who was her longtime boyfriend. They're together. Everybody knows they're together. This is the time when she starts hooking up with other people. Shawn Michaels is the big one. She says it's a nine-month relationship with Shawn Michaels.
Starting point is 01:06:17 He downgrades it a little bit. He's kind of like, you know, it was a thing, but it wasn't that big of a thing. She says it's a lot more serious than he does. She talks about them going away to the islands together the islands together and all this type of shit. But not even that she would they would fuck around like in the building while Chris was there. Like there's a story. It's a famous story. A million wrestlers have told in their interview about how she had like a pink cashmere sweater on one day. And they were in there fucking around
Starting point is 01:06:45 in the room and somebody was keeping watch in case Chris came and Chris was coming. So they're banging on the door and they pop out of the door with Sean with pink fuzz all over his stubble, you know, and they're like, um, dude, um, you know, and Chris just didn't even say a word. That's the thing. Chris, Chris knew it was happening. He knew it was going on. Uh, that's what everybody asks. That's the thing. Chris knew it was happening. He knew it was going on.
Starting point is 01:07:06 That's what everybody asks. Every question about them is always like, how did Chris not know? And all of them are like, he had to have known. Maybe he just wouldn't have. He had to have known. And even she says, when they ask her about it, they're like, how the fuck did he not know this was going on? And she said, I never asked. I don't know. Maybe he did.
Starting point is 01:07:22 I never asked him if he knew. I never asked him if he didn't know. I don't know how that he did. I never asked him if he knew. I never asked him if he didn't know. I don't know how that's possible. I feel like he had to be into it. Yeah. Because there's stories later about her like. I'm just seeing a damaged man. Oh, he's a damaged dude.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Yeah. I just see a dude that just doesn't like confrontation. Yeah. Why rock the boat? Why ruin a good thing? This is the best thing that's ever happened to me. Granted, it happened in high school. Yeah, and now she's tormenting you.
Starting point is 01:07:47 It's just the laziest way to find a wife. Yeah, exactly. I looked all over the school. You're the one for me. Yeah, you're like one of those fish that just swims around with their mouth open or whatever swims in and you're like, that'll do. Like, no, there's more out there. There's more women, more men.
Starting point is 01:08:00 There's more for everybody out there. So many fishies. So this thing here, though, they say like he had to have fucking known like there'll be times when like there's all these rumors when they're in ecw that like he would go take a shower for 45 minutes while she would fuck somebody and shit like that like oh that's too much weird things of like him going away at very opportune times for her to do things. And it's really fucking weird. Like, I don't know if he knew and they had an arrangement that was hurtful to him, but she doesn't want to admit that now. Or we have no way of knowing.
Starting point is 01:08:34 That's a personal relationship thing. I have no idea. But either way, she was fucking everybody and he was fine with it, apparently, or whatever. Which, I mean, if that's the way your relationship is, you're fine with that. You're fine with that. I guess, yeah. Not like they have five kids or anything. What's the difference?
Starting point is 01:08:49 Whatever you got to do. But if it's something that's public knowledge and people are very aware of it, brace yourself because we're going to judge the fuck out of you. That's just the way it's going to go. And everybody knows about it. And on the wrestling side here, she ends up managing the smoking guns or helping out the smoking guns. The tag team, which was another, like, what are they, cowboys now? It's the 90s.
Starting point is 01:09:10 What are we fucking doing? It was Billy Guy who turned out to be Billy Gunn later, and Bart Gunn was his partner, and they had tight jeans and cowboy boots. Literally the one guy I remember once he was out, and they're like, he was hurt at a rodeo last week. And I'm like, what are we talking about? Really? Fuck you. You know, that's what I wish a lot of fans of a lot of different things would just do. Just just collectively together.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Go fuck you. I'm out. I'm not doing it. A lot of people did back then and they switched over to WCW because WWF was fucking garbage. And by the way, what's with the fucking jeans? Stop it. That looks so hot. There's nobody that's purposely fighting in jeans.
Starting point is 01:09:50 Nobody. Or Mike Rotundo there who's IRS, wrestled in a suit. Right. And tie with suspenders on. Ridiculous. First of all, you would be strangled by your tie immediately. So anybody who wouldn't immediately grab you by the tie and choke you out is a fucking idiot, number one.
Starting point is 01:10:04 They're not good at their job. That should be the first move of every wrestler is get him and try to grab you by the tie and choke you out is a fucking idiot, number one. They're not good at their job. Like, that should be the first move of every wrestler is get him and try to choke him with the tie. It's fucking fair. It's exactly why MMA girls cornrow their fucking hair so that that shit doesn't get grabbed. That's the first thing I'm going to grab. That's the thing. You come at me with your fist balled up, I'm grabbing whatever's loose. I don't get NFL running backs running with fucking long braids out of the back of their helmet, which you're allowed to tackle you by.
Starting point is 01:10:28 You see it all the time. It's like, why are you doing that? You're giving them a handle. What's wrong with you? And not only that, it trails you. Yeah. If I'm two feet behind you, I can get it. I'm latching on to that, ripping it out of your fucking head.
Starting point is 01:10:42 So it's at this point also during while she's in wwe uh wwf at the time she has a thing with sean michaels for about nine months uh she is kind of the uh the not the beginning but a piece of the sean michaels and brett hart by hating each other yeah because uh apparently she hung out with brett hart as a friend she even says she never fucked him he says they never fucked but sean michaels was a little pissy about the whole thing and made a comment on TV basically insinuating that Bret Hart was fucking Sonny. Sure. Which pissed off Bret Hart because he was like, hey, my fucking wife watches this shit and blah, blah, blah. So they ended up actually really fighting in the dressing room.
Starting point is 01:11:19 It's a fucking mess. But yeah. Just for context, Bret Hart is fucking handsome. Like as a dude yeah back then he was a handsome guy but he was also he was also a little bit older yeah so i feel like he was from what i understand that was more of an older brother type relationship like he was because brett hart has like five sisters too so i think that was probably more of an older brother younger sister type of relationship than it was like a fucking relationship,
Starting point is 01:11:45 whereas these two were, you know, close in the same age. As straight as it gets, but you leave me in a room with Bret Hart alone, I'm going to be trying to convince him. He's a handsome fucking guy. He's had a lot of concussions and a stroke. You might be able to pull it off nowadays. You never know, dude. I might fuck Bret Hart.
Starting point is 01:12:00 You know what, Jimmy? You go up to Calgary and you give it a run. Is that where my man's at? It's where he is. Always was. It's where he lived and is from. So I assume he's up in Canada up there. So you go find him and you give him a good fucking for me.
Starting point is 01:12:13 Bret Hart and Razor Ramon both. They were both handsome fucking dudes. This episode was either her or Razor Ramon. Oh, my God. Razor Ramon will be coming up shortly. A couple of wrestlers in the pipes here are Razor Ramon, who's Scott Hall, and New Jack are coming very shortly. Fantastic. So we're going to spread those out over the next year or so.
Starting point is 01:12:34 New Jack's going to be ridiculous. Oh, that's going to be so much fucking amazing. So it's at this point she's not only had those two fighting and she was fucking Shawn Michaels, but we find out very recently, she just admitted this in the last three years, that she was also used to fuck Davey Boy Smith. My Christ. The British Bulldog. Remember the British Bulldog? She used to also fuck the British Bulldog back at this point.
Starting point is 01:12:52 That guy. Jacked up as they come. British dude. I don't know. She was into him. It's so weird. That's another one who was very popular when she was a teenager. So I feel like she was like a teenage crush type of thing.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Getting nostalgic. Yeah. So all of this, she's still with Chris. He still works there. They still work together. teenager so i feel like she was like a you know teenage crush type of thing so getting nostalgic yeah so all of this she's still with chris he still works there they still work together they travel together she goes and fuck somebody in another room and then pops in like nothing happened weirdest shit ever married to a wife in an office and she's off banging fucking the guy in accounting in the next cubicle right and you're you're pretending like you're dealing with the pizza guy for 20 minutes because you know i don don't know. Who ordered pineapples? I don't know anything. All I got is these singles. One.
Starting point is 01:13:30 What's after one? Two. What's after two? Three. I gotta leave you a tip, sir. I'm gonna go back to my desk and get some change. Fuck. Just delaying so that she can get it. Yeah, no shit. But she's becoming
Starting point is 01:13:44 insanely, insanely, insanely, insanely popular. Really? In 1996, 97, she was, and who knows how accurate this is, the statistics, but AOL, which back then, if you were on the internet in 1996, it was because you were on AOL because they sent you a CD in the mail that said you had 20 free hours of AOL. And you put it in and then you get on AOL and they charge you like $18 a minute after that to fucking talk in a chat room. Those were great chat rooms. They were.
Starting point is 01:14:16 I'd go into the lesbian one and pretend to be a girl. That seems right. Yeah, that's a clever move, honestly. I didn't have a computer, so I didn't have access to it until I was too old to do that. It was probably me and 42 other dudes pretending to be lesbians. Oh, man. It's so hard having such big boobs and wanting girls really bad, isn't it? I really need a girl to lick these huge boobs. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:14:38 My boobs are so big. I want a girl to caress them. I guess I could caress yours if I had to. At 13, I'm like, this is a lifestyle. I'm fascinated. Let's talk, ladies. And it's just me. So back then, you were either Jimmy in a lesbian chat room,
Starting point is 01:14:56 or you were downloading pictures of girls to jerk off to. Very slowly. That was a very, very slow download. But you'd wait for it. Very slowly. That was a very, very slow download. But you'd wait for it. And she was the most downloaded celebrity on AOL back then in 96, 97.
Starting point is 01:15:11 Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, that's what I mean how popular she was. Because wrestling was one of those fans, a lot of them both the time because they were young too, were like really early adopters of the internet, early adapters of that. And I feel like that's why. And that's how big she was mainstream. She's literally AOL's most downloaded person. It just occurred to me.
Starting point is 01:15:29 She was in Playboy, wasn't she? No, we'll talk about that. Okay. You're thinking of Sable. And that was a good one. Oh, boy, was that a good one. Sable was in Playboy, and Jim Cornette actually talked about finding out what she got paid for that.
Starting point is 01:15:43 And he was a little upset. They said, well, what did she get paid? He goes, better than I ever did any year I was ever in the wrestling business. One day shoot. He was like, fucking bitch. And it was a great one. Not happy. Boy, was it good.
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Starting point is 01:17:43 It's an all-new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. So she is the most downloaded celebrity. She also, the WWE has the Slammy Awards. You know what they are? They're wrestling awards. It's the wrestling Grammy. It's the wrestling Grammy, the Slammy.
Starting point is 01:18:11 Yeah, it's got a picture of a guy literally holding another man up in the air on it. It's got a little gold man holding another man. Ridiculous. About to slam him. So besides the Slammy, she wins 1996 Pro Wrestling Illustrated, which is like the magazine of wrestling. Pro Wrestling Illustrated's manager of the year in 1996 which is i guess that's good they're kind of phasing out managers and there's like 11 of them but still not too shabby for her uh and then she wins the slammy awards for uh slammy award winner 96 for brains behind the brawn i assume
Starting point is 01:18:41 that's a uh manager award and then my favorite award and the award, Jimmy, this is the award here that I long for and I strive for. Some people go for an Academy Award, a Nobel Peace Prize, something like that. I am going for the Slammy Award for Best Buns. That's what I'm going for, Jimmy. No fucking way. She won the Slammy Award for Best Buns. She got Best Ass. That is crazy. Best Ass in the building, Jimmy. No fucking way. She won the Slammy Award for Best Buns. She got Best Ass. That is crazy.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Best Ass in the building, everybody. Nobody said we can't do this. No. Best Buns. I'm going to say it right now. Once you win a Slammy for Best Buns, that's grace. You win. This is grace. I'm sorry. That's fucking grace right there. Ridiculous. I would say so.
Starting point is 01:19:26 Today, if somebody won Best Buns, the only way you can do it is if a dude gave it to another dude. Or it was a porn award. Right. Or it was like... Is it the AVS? We're all gross, okay? Everybody agree? Wonderful.
Starting point is 01:19:38 Let's hand out awards about it. We're giving a Best Anal Award. We may as well give best booty shape, too. Let me ask you everything. Everybody in here. Everybody in here sticky and smell poop in the air. Okay, good. We're ready to have an award show.
Starting point is 01:19:53 Let's do this. Some of this shit's going to be offensive. So, yeah, that's definitely grace. Your best buns, it's over, man. I mean, that's a peak. You're never going to hit that peak again. I'm going to display it for sure. Once you have a Slammy Award for best buns on your shelf, I think it's over with.
Starting point is 01:20:11 At this point here, well, we'll let her tell it. We'll do it in their own words here. In their own words, quote, it was 1996 that I was AOL's most downloaded celebrity, which was where the Playboy offer came about. We were all in Vince McMahon's office. We were on the road for about two months and then got to be home for three days. I remember getting a phone call from Vince McMahon's secretary, and they called and said that Vince wanted to see me in his office. I asked if I could hold on because I only have three days off.
Starting point is 01:20:39 I need to do laundry. They said, no, he really needed to see me in the office. So she went there. She said she thought she was going to get fired because she was like, why do they need to call me? And it's like the principal's office. And basically, she said she went into the office. She went into the conference room and then they came about that the playboy had offered her something. And she said it took her less than five minutes to turn it down. She said she was young and she just wasn't ready for something like that.
Starting point is 01:21:07 She said in her book, looking back now, is it something I should have done? Absolutely. I was just very reserved at that time. And at the time, I just wasn't ready emotionally to handle something like that. I can't imagine the pressure. Oh, that's got to be weird as fuck. The pressure to actually do it must have been insane. Oh, you know Vince McMahon wanted her to.
Starting point is 01:21:27 He was like, hey, hey. Fuck yes, this is great for me. This is going to be great. Hey, listen here, pal. I told the hillbillies to take their shirts off. I'd like you to do the same, okay? How's that? No overalls.
Starting point is 01:21:38 No overalls for you. Well, maybe, but you can put the straps down. Get those tits out. It's going to look good. Ah, the tits. I need you to pinch and roll the nipples. Oh, yeah. There we go.
Starting point is 01:21:49 There you go there. That's a good job. All right. It's going to be a great one. So she's also a contestant, a celebrity contestant on MTV's Singled Out in 1997. So this is what I mean. She's living this life, but Chris is home. Like, where's Chris?
Starting point is 01:22:04 Yeah, it's so weird. That's so weird. Isn't that a dating show, Singled Out? Yeah, it's a dating show. What the fuck? She's living this life, but Chris is home. Where's Chris? That's so weird. That's so weird. Isn't that a dating show singled out? Yeah, it's a dating show. She's like the celebrity one there. She ends up managing Farouk at the time in WWF, which is Ron Simmons, who's a big, giant, older black guy, which is a really weird, strange matching and pairing. Meanwhile, Farouk, that seems a smidge on the racist side. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Well, they were the nation of domination, where there was a group of black guys who were angry. Black guys calling themselves the nation. The nation, exactly. So that's, yeah, they were a little, for some reason there was all these gangs in wrestling. They had the nation, they had the Puerto Rican guys, Los Periquas, they had the biker gang from there.
Starting point is 01:22:45 I was like, what the fuck is happening here? What is going on? And all the guys that wore, like, Nacho Libre masks, they all banded together for a while, too. I don't think they had, like, a name. No, no. Like, Rey Mysterio. Yeah, yeah. And those guys all just kind of.
Starting point is 01:22:57 The lucha dudes. Yeah, yeah. They just ran around together. Yeah, they only fought each other because they all weighed 175 pounds. Nobody 260 would want to fight them, really. It was the problem. Well, the Undertaker's not doing a backflip to pin you. No, probably not.
Starting point is 01:23:10 No. That would be worth the price of admission right there. That's 6'10", man. That's 6'10", Ginger, just did a backflip. That's amazing. I've never seen anything like that before. You know, Rey Mysterio's doing some, like, sideways spin, wrapping his ankles around your neck, and then flipping you through the ropes.
Starting point is 01:23:27 He does shit. It was bananas. He's made of rubber. He is. I've seen him hit the mat before where you're like, how do you not? That was right on your head. Right on your head. Your neck is broken, and he pops right up.
Starting point is 01:23:37 He's a junior. He had to do some bad shit. He's not a junior, really. That's not his real name. There's a guy, a Mexican wrestler named Ray Mysterio. That's right. And he trained Ray Mysterio Jr. and kind of gave him his name because he was a popular guy in Mexico. So stupid.
Starting point is 01:23:50 And that would help him boost his career, yeah. So now she goes in 1998, she goes to ECW while still under contract at WWF because WWF secretly, no one really knew it, was funding ECW. Got it. No one really knew it was funding ECW, using them as kind of a farm system while ECW was saying how terrible the big guys were and were the were the indies and were the fucking real thing. And they were getting checks every week from you. Well, you got to get people to show up. That's when you when you when you finger fuck the man. You look cool. Well, Vince McMahon would come in and they just take their guys.
Starting point is 01:24:22 So basically, he didn't want this thing to down, this place where he got guys from. So he gave them money to stay afloat so he could have a place to steal guys from. So it's one of those things. Makes sense. Yeah, and if you're running that company, you're like, fuck it. Yeah, sure. You're going to take them anyway. I guess I'll take a check.
Starting point is 01:24:37 Give me the check. It's either I'll take them for nothing or I'll give you a check and we can be partners and I'll take them anyway. It'll be even funnier when I finger fuck you every week. Yeah, it's going to happen. And I'm going to giggle my ass off because I'm getting money from you and I get to tell you that you're an asshole. This is great. Yeah, no shit really.
Starting point is 01:24:52 So yeah, she pops in for a minute in February 1998, but she's still under contract at WWE. So she's also in WWE. She's managing the Legion of Doom, who is the Road Warriors, Hawk and Animal, which is another really weird giant, two giant guys with crazy haircuts and face paint. One guy cut his hair to look like he had a receding hairline. He cut his hair to look like Homer Simpson on purpose.
Starting point is 01:25:15 On purpose. Who does that? Yeah. The one guy had a mohawk and the other guy had a reverse mohawk. It was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. But they were crazy, badass dudes uh hawking animal there so she manages them uh eventually though she just starts really just doing like
Starting point is 01:25:30 hawking t-shirts and you know she pops up you know with the wwf t-shirt on like get the new wwf t-shirt and blah blah like that would be her role she stopped kind of managing and she was just kind of a salesperson at that point for them uh 1999, she goes to ECW, okay? This is where things start to unravel for her because during this time, there is a burgeoning pill addiction for her. Her and Chris have really bad alcohol and pill problems, both of them. Shawn Michaels is famous for having an epic pill. I mean, an unreal pill problem back in the day.
Starting point is 01:26:04 The guys would say they'd be going out to eat, and he would just pass out on his plate from taking too many somas. Wow. His head would hit the fucking table, writing his food and shit like that. Somas was his thing. Somas was his thing. Tons of them. That's bananas to me, that people get addicted.
Starting point is 01:26:18 I mean, I understand soma. That's all they could take, too. Really? They got drug tested for, like, because a lot of the guys were like, you know, we couldn't smoke weed. We couldn't do it. All we had was fucking booze and somas and booze and pills. So you could take all the pills you want and they'd give them to you. He goes, so you could fucking booze up.
Starting point is 01:26:34 Nobody would mind that. And then you take a bunch of pills. I can't imagine. That's why a lot of them died. Getting to a point where you take so many that you, I mean, I realize that eventually it takes that many to actually feel anything. Yeah. But by the time you get takes that many to actually feel anything. Yeah. But by the time you get to that point, it's bananas. He got so fucked up one time.
Starting point is 01:26:50 Shawn Michaels is a very famous story. He got so fucked up one time that he ended up like four guys beat the shit out of him in a parking lot, pulled him out of the car because he passed out in the car. Just fucking because he was being a dick in the bar. And he went out of the car and passed out because he was on too many somas and he just basically beat up his fucking limp corpse yeah and uh because he couldn't fight back no he was fucking no he was a spaghetti man yeah total spaghetti it's so weird like you don't get high from somas there's not like a fucking it's not like i don't know it's not like it's a muscle relaxer it's not like it's not a fucking it's not a viking you can't move it's not percoc's like, I'm going to take all these and then I'm just going to sit here.
Starting point is 01:27:26 Why? He would just drool and fucking, yeah. What's the fucking attraction? She starts, and this, she denies all of this, okay? Now, but every, and I'm talking, I've heard the exact same stories from 10 different people that were around at this time. That all said the exact same thing separate of each other. She denies all of, She says she didn't fuck anybody in ECW shit. No, she's like, oh, all those guys
Starting point is 01:27:49 were gross. Everybody in there is the exact same stories. She would basically blow anybody for pills. Anybody for pills. Like Sandman, one of the ECW wrestlers, would say that Sabu would come up to him. Sabu is a fucking legendary, insane nutcase wrestler.
Starting point is 01:28:05 I don't know the name of the scene. It's a smidge races. Yeah, yeah. Well, his uncle is the original Sheik, an old Detroit legend that trained him, and so he's kind of had to be along those same lines, so he's Sabu. But he's just a white dude from Michigan.
Starting point is 01:28:20 But he looks, he's like olive-ish and has like facial hair, so you're like, okay, he's something. But he's a psychopath. He would throw himself. He's just a fucking maniac. He's one of the guys. I mean, you see Rey Mysterio do these nice flips.
Starting point is 01:28:33 Yeah, the crisp. His were just like fucking flinging yourself into the third row of the audience. Like he was a maniac. He was so crazy. At one point they had a barbed wire match, which is a match where the ropes are made of barbed wire. Yeah. And, uh, he got tangled up in the barbed wire and sliced his bicep, uh, basically sliced it.
Starting point is 01:28:53 He said, so you could see bone. He said it was so deep. It wasn't even really bleeding. Like he cut it to the bone. Wow. Uh, so you think that's, you got to leave the match at that point. Uh, he had his manager go grab some tape from the back, and he fucking taped his bicep back together and did another 40 minutes of the match.
Starting point is 01:29:09 Oh, boy. Yeah. Like he said all the time, he just went in the back and glued it. Whose idea was that? Like what asshole? Barbed wire? Yeah, it was somebody that didn't get in the ring.
Starting point is 01:29:18 Extreme championship wrestling is what it is. Japan started all that shit. The fucking Japanese are insane. Have you seen their game shows? Have you seen their porno? game shows imagine what their wrestling is like imagine what their wrestling is like they have explosions and electrocutions and you know fucking hitting each other with light tubes
Starting point is 01:29:32 and shit they're insane but their porno is fucking disgusting and that's but that's them having fun you know what I mean like wrestling is it's work it's a job this is like sex is supposed to be enjoyable and it's no there is poop involved and they like everybody's gross yeah so there's a walk involved so sandman said
Starting point is 01:29:53 that sabu would basically come up and be like i need some pills so tammy will blow me basically like she'll blow anybody with pills and like uh raven is another guy and you know who raven is uh raven is another guy who said that you know he used to hook up with Tammy all the time. She flew him in somewhere when she was with WWE again and just go fuck her. He said one time the story he told was that he went to the Nassau Coliseum for a show with Chris and Tammy. And they drove there. And then he said on the way back they got lost for like two hours coming back from the nassau coliseum even though they've been there 300 fuck they're both fucking from new york and they've been to the nassau coliseum a million fucking times it's like for some reason
Starting point is 01:30:32 uh you know it was uh you know uh we got lost and then it got to the point where it was so late that tammy was like oh it's too late you just got to stay over and she he's like all right and he goes this is the exact same story i've heard from fucking 10 other guys of what they do. And he said, so we get over to their house. And this is all what one guy says. But, I mean, it fits with what everyone else says. I don't care what she says. And it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:30:54 These are all young people. But I'm saying it's just this is your people you work with. So it's probably not that smart in a business sense. Basically, they get back to the house. And she said, you know, Chris fucking jumped in the house and uh she said you know chris fucking jumped in the shower and she came in and blew him and then fucking they went to chris and her went to bed and then after 20 minutes she came back in the room to fuck him yeah that was like a normal thing that people did over there uh she said that uh yeah she she they all said she fucked fucking
Starting point is 01:31:21 sabu she fucked raven uh she fucked hack my Myers for blue Hack Myers for pills, which is like I don't know if you know who Hack Myers is, but he is a one of the most disgusting looking human beings I've ever seen in my life. If I put a gun to your head and I said, blow this guy or I'll fucking I'll shoot you. You'd be like, what caliber you got there? Like you would consider this going to go for. You got to really want pills to blow this guy is what I'm getting at. This is what I mean. I'm not saying this to say, oh, she's a whore. I'm just saying this to say this is how strong her addiction is. Yeah, it's probably fine to fuck.
Starting point is 01:31:53 I don't care. This is how strong her addiction is, though. She's doing this for pills, which is not terrific here. She's not doing this because she wants to. She's doing this because she wants to get pills. That's exactly what it is here. Yeah, they had a, this I think is funny too, just a funny thing. I like
Starting point is 01:32:09 in wrestling, every once in a while they come up with something funny and this is so stupid it's funny. She was Sunny in ECW here with Chris Candido and he was fighting a guy named Lance Storm who hired a valet of his own. It's one named Dawn Marie that was around for a while.
Starting point is 01:32:26 But he called her Tammy Lynn Bitch, which I thought was fucking hilarious. That's amazing. That's really fucking funny, I think. I don't know why. Well done. That's a good pun. It is. So early 1999, there's a bunch of stuff in 1999 about her passing out in the locker room and shit like that, like not being able to wake her up and her just due to her pill thing.
Starting point is 01:32:50 And all the ECW guys said that, too, like she would find her passed out back there. She's taking pills, man. Yeah, she's taking way too many pills. So eventually she's actually released from ECW, which ECW is the craziest fucking nutbag place. They were all doing tons of drugs to get fired for ECW from ECW for being a drug addict. You have to be a fucking special kind of disaster, like a special kind of fuck up.
Starting point is 01:33:14 Yeah. So that's a, that's a big deal there, but they're hired by WCW. The one that went out of business in 2001, they're hired in 2000 when they're really tanking and going off the deep end of shittiness. So this is like just a sinking ship they're joining here. Chris Candido is all over the place.
Starting point is 01:33:32 He's actually, they're giving him an actual decent little run, Chris Candido. But they end up, this ends up, of course, coming to an end as well. There's a men's and women's locker room there, obviously. She is in the women's locker room and with the women in the locker room, there's the few, there's women wrestlers, there's the valets, and there's the Nitro girls. Remember the Nitro girls that used to have like cheerleaders come out
Starting point is 01:33:53 as they go to commercial and come back? They were awesome. Yeah, they'd come and dance and it was like a basketball's dance team that comes out at halftime. But like dirtier. Much dirtier. They were a little dirty. Well, they'd make eye contact with the camera. That's all it was. They did the same as a as a halftime basketball team except they did it while they made like sultry eye contact with the camera literally that's all it made it feel gettable and the camera would go up their legs and shit i mean it was like it was like club mtv
Starting point is 01:34:18 from the 80s but but nitro girl style and they had like they had a red head and an asian and a black one and a blonde and a tall one and a one that had like 10 extra and they had like they had a red head and an asian and a black one and a blonde and a tall one and a one that had like 10 extra pounds they had like every fucking type that you could that's literally what it was something for everybody something for everyone so they all share a locker room uh that's amazing it's so fucking silly so uh it made it feel gettable though like it made it feel attainable that like as a dude sitting on the couch watching this shit, you're like, she wants me. That's production right there. Yeah, that's production right there.
Starting point is 01:34:52 Every other thing you watch, like the cheerleaders at a football game are looking at the 50-yard line's wall. They're not even looking at the people. They're just looking straight ahead. They're dead-eyed. Right. They're fucking, you could wave your hand in front of their face. I got to get these moves right or I might not be out here shaking my ass next week. Nope, dead eyes.
Starting point is 01:35:10 This is a little bit different. Yeah, these girls. They're all sharing this locker room. And apparently somebody, one of the Nitro girls, finds a needle and drugs in there, which is this liquid that is basically like a morphine type of
Starting point is 01:35:27 thing that bodybuilders and fitness models and that sort of, it's a painkiller. They take it after they work out because when your body's really hurting, I guess this is like a quick feel better, take some morphine. So anyway, they find this in the stall. Anyway, they find this in the stall. So the nitro girl takes this to her boss, basically, and says, what do I do here? So they take it to management. Out of all this, they end up blaming Sunny for it because she's the one.
Starting point is 01:35:59 And it's funny. About this, she talks about this, and she said, she's like, they told like they found drug paraphernalia in the ladies' locker room. And she's like, I mean I knew I had Somas in my purse, but I didn't leave those in there. I could hear them rattling in my purse like I know those weren't there. So what the fuck is this story? That's her way of denying it. Like I was doing too many Somas to even fuck with that shit. Come on.
Starting point is 01:36:19 So โ€“ Yeah, problem, but it's not that. Yeah. them, but it's not that. Yeah. So what ends up happening is she claims that she had multiple drug tests that they failed to give her the results for for weeks, but they kept her off television and wouldn't let her work. And then eventually told her that her drug test was negative for this substance. But then they fired her anyway for this incident, saying that's her story. She also claims at the same time that Eric Bischoff, who's the guy who ran the thing and Diamond Dallas Page, if you remember the him from the Jake the Snake episode, if nothing else, who's doing DDP yoga now and all that shit. DDP and Bischoff were like, and this is a known thing, that they were like next-door neighbors and best friends and shit.
Starting point is 01:36:57 Apparently, Tammy claims that they also wife-swapped and that Kimberly Page, who on TV was Dallas Page's wife and was like the leader of the Nitro Girls. Apparently, they would switch her and Eric Bischoff's wife. And I don't know how true that is, but I heard it from multiple. That's one of those multiple rumor things. So weird. But from her, she says this happened and this. This happened, and this, so basically if Kimberly was mad at her and wanted her out, then Kimberly could go right to Eric when she's fucking him and say fire Tammy because Kimberly was the number one heel manager at that point, and she didn't want Tammy around to steal her thunder. So that's why she said that it was her.
Starting point is 01:37:39 So they framed her. So they framed her. That's what she's saying now. With morphine. With morphine. So, okay. Whatever. So, anyway. So, she's at a WCW.
Starting point is 01:37:49 So, she's gone from the places where you make a living and make good money. Good money. Good money and have that sort of thing. And are on television, I should say, more like it. So, they end up going to XPW, which is a fucking crazy. That does not sound good. No. It's a crazy one.
Starting point is 01:38:05 It was in California. I saw one of the videos once where New Jack threw Vic Grimes off the top of a fucking scaffold and almost killed him. He almost fucking killed him. The guy bounced off the top rope and bounced in the ring or else he would have fucking hit the concrete and died. He almost missed. He almost missed. The ring is so big. How do you almost miss that?
Starting point is 01:38:23 They were 20 feet above it on a scaffold and they had tables all stacked up to land on. But I mean, you throw the guy to the right spot, you fucking maniac. He didn't because at one point back in ECW, New Jack used to jump off of tall things on the people. And we'll talk about this in the New Jack episode. But this guy apparently was hesitant to jump off with him at one point when he was supposed to. So New Jack jumped and this guy didn't. And so he ended up pulling him and the guy fell on New Jack. And New Jack still has fucked up head injuries because of it.
Starting point is 01:38:53 He fractured his skull and still can't like see out of one of his eyes right and shit like that. So he basically said, I wanted to kill this motherfucker. And I tried to launch him out onto the concrete. And the fat motherfucker hit the ropes instead. We'll we'll talk about that's a preview of new jack that's not even a crime that happened by the way that's just him wrestling so she's how he treats his job that's how he treats his job uh so in uh 2001 they announced the wrestling vixens video yes triple x by the way v-i-x-X-X-E-N video. And nobody's fucking.
Starting point is 01:39:28 No, she just runs around showing her tits. Because she had a boob job while she was in WWE. She got giant boobs because she didn't have that. Triple X is not, let me see your tits, by the way. Yeah, no, Triple X. You lying bastards. Exactly. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:42 You could have shown that in the newspaper in England, what they did. You know what I mean? That's bullshit. Norway, that's how they read the news, you bastard. You lying fox. No shit. Jesus Christ. False advertising, sons of bitches.
Starting point is 01:39:54 Yeah. So Tammy has countless problems backstage with people. Countless problems. Someone always has a problem with her. She's very much, back then, Jim Cornette, who loves her, said about her, she's a cunt, her she's very much back then jim cornett who loves her said about her uh she's a cunt but she's an out front cunt he said and i tell her that to her face all the time like some of the people you know they're whatever behind your back because she's she's an up front cunt so you know what you're dealing with and i like that about her
Starting point is 01:40:20 okay that's fine that's amazing uh some of the people didn't have quite as high an opinion of her. A wrestler named Loki, who I think was in TNA for a long time. LOW-KI. They had a big confrontation, I guess, in 2002. Apparently, he was sitting somewhere and she said that was her chair,
Starting point is 01:40:40 which is like in wrestling, you can't do that shit. There's a lot of respect shit going on there. And like especially if someone is a guy who's an actual wrestler, an actual worker who like goes out and takes bumps in the ring. Like they get precedence over shit because, you know what I mean? Because this shit doesn't exist without me. Well, it's just they're taking bumps. Like they're getting hurt for this.
Starting point is 01:41:01 So you're going to go out and yell and scream from ringside and that's fine. It's all a part of the show and that's great. But that guy could break his neck any minute. So you're going to go out and yell and scream from ringside, and that's fine. It's all a part of the show, and that's great. But that guy could break his neck any minute, so give him the chair. You know what I mean? It's like one of those things. So apparently Chris Candido got involved to try to diffuse the situation, and this was one of these things where he said, better get your bitch in check. That's what he told her.
Starting point is 01:41:20 Get your lady in line. Another time, do you remember Paul Bearer, the Undertaker's manager? He hated her, too. He had a big problem with her. That is the creepiest fuck ever. It was. Apparently, he walked into the locker room where it was just, he used to be a mortician, too, a real one.
Starting point is 01:41:34 A real one. A real one. That's why they said he'd be perfect for that gimmick. And then he ate all the fucking corpses or something. He ate all of them. And he was so fucking gross. He ate all the bagged lunches like Chris Farley. So they're in the locker room, Chris and Tammy, and Paul Bearer walks in and he said there was a broom standing there.
Starting point is 01:41:50 And he just goes, oh, there's your girlfriend's ride home, I see. Just to be like, does he like to fuck with her? That's brilliant. That's pretty funny, yeah. And it's just in his, oh, see, that's your girl's ride home. Like one of those. He has this kind of high-pitched southern accent. And he said Chris went out and basically broke all the furniture.
Starting point is 01:42:09 And left the broom alone. Left it because he couldn't do anything to Paul Bearer. Because A, he's been around the business too long. He gets respect. And he's Undertaker's manager. So you're not going to do shit to him because Undertaker will rip your lungs out probably. Likely, probably. He's a giant monster.
Starting point is 01:42:23 And has lots of respect. And still wrestles like 28 years later. It's incredible. Likely, probably. She's a giant monster. So, and has lots of respect. And still wrestles like 28 years later. It's incredible. It's so weird. Amazing for a tall guy like that. It's amazing. February 2004, Tammy announces her retirement from wrestling. Wow.
Starting point is 01:42:37 For a career in, I'm going to guess, I'm going to let you guess, Jimmy. You guess right now. Salary? What career you think she's giving this up for. Oh, no. I'll give you three options, three choices. Is she going into a career retiring from wrestling? Scrap metal.
Starting point is 01:42:53 For a career. Okay, scrap metal, one, two. Let's have another one. Car sales. Okay, three. Energy drinks. Flight attendant. No.
Starting point is 01:43:02 I swear to God, they're all just as ridiculous. What the fuck? Scrap metal. Yeah, great. What did you say? Car salesman? Flight attendant? Same thing. That's great. Yeah, she said pending a test in Houston that she has to take to be a flight attendant. How's your elbow?
Starting point is 01:43:19 Can you throw these peanuts to the back of the plane? I have no idea, man. This is insane. Very sad thing here. Chris Candido breaks his ankle in a match and has to have surgery for it. It's a pretty bad broken ankle. And at this point, they have started to get their shit together. In 2002, 2003, 2004, after they had all these problems, Chris cleaned his act up drug-wise.
Starting point is 01:43:44 He cleaned his act up. really had like a resurgence in wrestling he was in tna for a while and uh just he was got his shit together he was good now and then he broke his ankle and then he broke his ankle in the ring and had surgery afterwards and this isn't even where you think you're thinking i'm gonna say he started taking pills again and all that no instead he got a blood clot and died afterwards. He was fine. Recovering from a broken ankle. Just a blood clot freak thing that can happen after a surgery. Wow. Went to his lungs and over.
Starting point is 01:44:12 Or brain or heart. Died. Wow. Young man, fucking dead. That's what happened to Paul Farina. Is it Paul Farina? Dennis Farina. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, blood clot and fucking crazy. Unbelievable. And everyone was like, blood clot and fucking crazy. Unbelievable. And everyone was like, huh?
Starting point is 01:44:28 Like he just cleaned himself up. Like they all expected him to die five years ago. That would have been like, oh, that's, yeah. But they were like, no, not Chris. What happened? He was, everything was going so well for him and all of this. And he dies. And this makes her like the widow of wrestling now.
Starting point is 01:44:45 Now she, all of a sudden, everything was great with her and Chris all the time. All the sympathy coming. And this is when all the stories come out of like, because before nobody, it was disrespectful to Chris to say it. But once he's dead, it's like, don't stop saying how much you loved him when you fucked. Here's 20 people you fucked that I know that you fucked right in front of him. And he was my friend and you're an asshole. People should just drag that hat guy around and be like, don't say that. You fucked him. Yeah, you fucked this guy you fuck hack hack myers he's wearing zubas for christ's sake look at him i'm telling he looks like fucking uh the guy from goonies he looks
Starting point is 01:45:15 like fucking sloth from goonies like genuinely looks like hair not just like him but he's as attractive as sloth so uh they have the funeral for him. She's described as being very strong and a horrible looking man. She blew that guy for pills. And multiple people said it. Raven said he saw it. Oh, boy. He said she was blowing him and jerking some other guy off for pills.
Starting point is 01:45:40 At the same time. At the same time on the roof of some club in Miami, he was saying that happened he was like that was pretty fucking gross it's a fat low uh mohawk it's a stupid one and and zubas he's wearing fucking zuba pants it was it was just that's just like a headshot almost okay he's a horrible man all right horrible looking that's depressing so i'd be furious if that's what i'm being cheated on with. No shit, right? So at the funeral to TNA, the company offered to let him be buried with the championship belt. He liked wrestling. That was very nice. May 7, 2005, she makes her first appearance at a wrestling event because now she's a hot commodity.
Starting point is 01:46:19 Because now she's Chris Candido's dead girlfriend. So now she's going to draw a crowd again. So she's a hot piece of property at this point. She makes her first appearance on May 7th. May 8th, 2005, she is hospitalized after what she described as a minor nervous breakdown. So that's all understandable here. Now quickly buzzing through some independent wrestling here. And then we're going to get to a fucking slew of arrests that could choke a hippopotamus.
Starting point is 01:46:47 Fantastic. So July of 2005, she is managing King Kong Bundy, which is insane from the 80s. I didn't even know he was around in 2005, still wrestling, but apparently he was. She's getting that nostalgia cock again. That's what it is, man. Jesus, I hope she's not blowing him for pills. He's a giant, giant man. Sabu, she manages
Starting point is 01:47:09 Sabu in a match, who she hates now because he tells everyone that she blew him for pills. So she doesn't like him at all. I've heard her talk a lot of shit. She manages Lex Luger at one point there. Weirdest match ever. She manages Tito Santana versus Greg the Hammer Valentine in 2006,
Starting point is 01:47:29 which was a great match in 1984. 1984, you couldn't get a better match than Tito and Greg the Hammer Valentine. In 2006, I don't know. 50-year-old guys? That's weird. Holy shit. Yeah, these guys are 50, man, and she's managing them. Wow.
Starting point is 01:47:42 And not a Ric Flair 50, like a Spry 50. Greg the Hammer doesn't move. I don't think he can move his arms when he walks at this point. But he still actually looks not 100 years old, which is amazing for a guy who's been around there. She starts wrestling at some point here
Starting point is 01:47:59 in 2007. She wins some stupid championship, which is weird. super weird i don't know what the hell she's thinking there she's in ring of honor which is another like a it's like kind of the top level indie promotion like they're uh they used to have like some deep cable show and shit like that they're like the hardcore hardcore wrestling fans that like to watch a 30 minute match that's like you know guys are really working hard and all that, and they don't want story or any of that shit, that's Ring of Honor.
Starting point is 01:48:28 Those guys, that's a five-star match, man. That guy, he did a fucking 820 off the top on him. They rolled it. Those guys. It's too much. I can't do that. I'm impressed with the ability and the athleticism and what they're doing, but I don't want to watch that shit for a half hour.
Starting point is 01:48:43 It's fucking boring. How are you a wrestling purist? You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. What is that? That's my point. What the fuck is that? How do you get to be a wrestling purist when wrestling is phony?
Starting point is 01:48:55 It's like being a soap opera purist. There's no actual thing. Yeah. If five people showed up for baseball games, they'd still play all the baseball games because they have a championship they have to give out and all that sort of thing. Wrestling is only based on if anyone's there to watch it so it doesn't make so you don't have to do it it makes no fucking sense so yeah i get what you're saying there uh christ man fucking purist wrestling purist yeah it's like whatever gets people there i would think is pure right if it's h Hulk Hogan calling everybody brother and telling them to eat their vitamins, that's pure.
Starting point is 01:49:28 Fucking sells. That's what got everybody there and got all you guys paid. And that's what it's about, right? What are we doing here? We're doing it for fun. We're not doing this for fun. I'm obviously not a wrestler, but I'm likening it to comedy and being like, that's what it would be about. It doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 01:49:43 Hulk Hogan can't pay the legal bills when his son kills somebody if he's doing it purist. Exactly. No one wants to see Hulk Hogan doing go-behinds and shit. Nobody wants to see that. So she ends up wrestling and managing all through the indies here through 2007, 2008. She makes an appearance at WrestleMania 25 for the WWE in 2009. She participates in the 25 Diva Miss WrestleMania Battle Royal. She did not win, but she appeared in that.
Starting point is 01:50:11 That would be fun to watch. I guarantee it's on YouTube. Just look for the Diva Battle Royal. I'm sure it's there. I want to watch that. And they call them the Divas, and she was the first Diva of the WWE. They have a show now on television, the Divas Show, and she was the first one. There's so many of them now.
Starting point is 01:50:27 Yeah, she was literally, before that, they had Miss Elizabeth, who wasn't, like, a diva. She wasn't showing her ass. She was Macho Man's, you know, whatever. And then they had, like, you know, actual, they had Sherry, who was, like, a badass wrestler turned manager. She wasn't a fucking, she wasn't a shake-your-ass diva. They had Luna Vachon, who looks
Starting point is 01:50:44 like she could, you know, she looks like she could beat up Hack Myers. So I don't think that was a real โ€“ wasn't really what they were going for. That was just any skag that's athletic. Yeah, exactly. So she continues the indies after that. She's in one match where she ends up hanging out with the Iron Sheik at the end of the match and shit, which is funny. So you can picture her and the Sheik together. March 7, 2011, she is
Starting point is 01:51:07 inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame. Wow. So, I mean, that's like, that year it was Shawn Michaels, which is funny that they got inducted in the same fucking year. Shawn Michaels was the headliner there, basically. Hacksaw Jim Duggan, who we all remember.
Starting point is 01:51:24 Bullet Bob Armstrong, who was like a down south guy. He was like Kansas City, shit like that. Old man. Sonny. Abdullah the Butcher, who's the scariest man you've ever seen. Truly scary. 400-pound man who just cuts all over his head. All over his head.
Starting point is 01:51:39 Like all the wrestlers say, he doesn't even have to, like when you'd wrestle him, he didn't even have to cut himself anymore because it was all just scar tissue. Just open it up. And if you just tap him on the head. It opens. It'll open. That's crazy. He didn't even have to cut himself anymore. Oh, good Christ.
Starting point is 01:51:51 He'd just touch his head and blood would pour out. That's how much. That's fucking nuts. I mean, these guys live like that. Good fuck. Crazy, right? And the Road Warriors also inducted that year. Very nice.
Starting point is 01:52:03 Good job. Yeah, nice for there. Who was it that inducted her? She was inducted by other divas here. There, let's see, I said the Road Warriors, and the celebrity inductee that year was Drew Carey. I have no idea why. Why was Drew Carey involved in wrestling at all?
Starting point is 01:52:21 Sure, he, like, did a segment on a WrestleMania. They put one in it. Bob Uecker's in it. Pete Rose is in it. They made a big deal out of putting Pete Rose in it becausemania they put one in a bob euchre's in it pete rose is in it they made a big deal out of putting pete rose in it because we'll put him in our hall of fame of course so uh now that's so stupid i would say so now september 11th 2012 she is not in somber remembrance of a horrible attack on her country no uh instead uh she is in a physical altercation with her boyfriend okay uh this is a guy named damian darling okay he's an indie wrestler uh i mean i looked him up and he's just
Starting point is 01:52:52 like a career indie guy he's been wrestling indies for over 10 years now which is a tough life that's like being a road feature comic and that's all you're doing like gross it's that's what i'm gonna liken it to being a feature because the headliner you might be able to make some money now and then but being a road feature, going around, barely making enough to get by and travel and shit. They do the same thing the road features do, too. They have to sell merch. They have to go out and sell merch afterwards. Otherwise, you're making $13,000 a year if you work every fucking weekend.
Starting point is 01:53:20 Every weekend, yeah, absolutely. And beat the fuck out of yourself, too, on top of that. So he's one of these guys. So I thought about that, too. I was like, God, what a fucking lifestyle. What's wrong with these people? And I'm like, what am I talking about? I'm a fucking comedian.
Starting point is 01:53:30 I did it, too. I do it worse. Because I'm like, there's no security. You never know what if the bookings dry up. I'm like, it's the same fucking thing. It's just, who knows? Tomorrow you might be fucking sweeping floors. You don't know.
Starting point is 01:53:41 $13,000 a year, and you are paying for your own hotel and travel. Enjoy. That's stupid. That's very fucking stupid. We spent that money. I spent almost $13,000 traveling for one month for us. Yeah, between airfare and hotels and shit. That was bananas.
Starting point is 01:53:56 That was crazy. I was blown away by how much traveling costs. I know. I was like, well, this is good. We did this for the love of meeting people. That's terrific. Thank you guys for coming. I made zero money, but it was fantastic.
Starting point is 01:54:11 We had so much fun. It was amazing. It really was. So at this point here, this guy is now her ex-boyfriend is how it's being portrayed in the press. He said that there was a physical altercation between them. He told police that Sitch had started drinking again, which she can't be doing, and accused him of cheating on her.
Starting point is 01:54:29 Oh, boy. She jumped on him from a... She jumped off of a bed onto him. This is her young lady training. She was jumping off her parents' bed. This is the same thing. She's like, I know this. I've been...
Starting point is 01:54:42 I've seen this. I've done this. And she leaped off of him and began pulling his hair. He also said that she choked him. And what he described, a UFC style choke hold she put on him. Because she knows how to fucking put a hold on somebody. Sounds hot as fuck. She's seen some holds.
Starting point is 01:55:00 If you saw her at this time, you wouldn't think so. No? It was a little, she. She was drinking heavy. I hate to say this. I hate to talk about her looks or whatever, but for her, that's kind of half of her whole thing is her looks. It's her whole appeal. And her โ€“ she got rough around this time.
Starting point is 01:55:15 She did an interview where she was very much a lot larger than she used to be, which is whatever. That's what booze does to you. As she said, it was a reaction to medication that she received from jail. It's called empty calories. Then she slimmed it back down. It's interesting. We'll talk about it here because there's some stuff later that's coming up here. Police said that Tammy was obviously intoxicated.
Starting point is 01:55:39 That's in the report. But she denied that there was any physical altercation. She was charged with disorderly conduct and held in lieu of $500 bail. Protective order was issued restricting her from assaulting, threatening, abusing, harassing, following, interfering with, or stalking this Damien Darling. Stay away. Fucking weirdo, okay? But not you can't go near. Basically, they gave her a thing that said you can't do illegal shit that you can't do anyway. Right. They didn't say you can't go near. Basically, they gave her a thing that said you can't do illegal shit that you can't do anyway.
Starting point is 01:56:06 Right. They didn't say you can't go near him. Oh, it's not a restraining order. They said a protective order saying she can't assault, threaten, abuse, harass, follow, interfere, or stalk. Those are all illegal things anyway. That's just the law. Yeah. All illegal.
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Starting point is 01:57:25 She is arrested for disorderly conduct, violation of a protective water, and strangulation. Okay. That's assault. She's held on $25,000 bond and arraigned in the New Haven Superior Court. They return to the home again. There's a report of domestic violence. They met with Damien, who said that she was shit-hammered, and climbed through the kitchen window to get into the house wow imagine
Starting point is 01:57:47 this you're drunk significant other climbing through the fucking window grace has long past yeah man she said he said there was no physical altercation so she didn't violate the protective order the police left at that point because they're like well she's technically allowed to be here
Starting point is 01:58:03 if everything's cool I guess we'll leave the police left but that point because they're like, well, she's technically allowed to be here if everything's cool. I guess we'll leave. The police left but waited in the parking lot. They were like, we'll stick around. We're going to be coming back. Yeah. Did you see how drunk she was? This isn't going to last. She went in the window.
Starting point is 01:58:14 The piece isn't going to last. She didn't look like she was in the sleepy stage yet. Then it says, officers, this is in the report, they observed, quote, Stitch pushed the man into the residence, and shortly thereafter, the man started signaling to officers to return to the residence. He literally started waving at him. Come on back, guys. Come on, guys. Never mind. Back in.
Starting point is 01:58:34 They're just hanging out waiting for her to fuck up. Just wait. She's going to be out. I'm telling you. I wonder if that protective order, if you document that she is aware that she can't do those things and then she doesn't, I wonder if it makes it worse. Yeah. Do you know you're not allowed to assault someone? Because, I mean, there is the added you can say I didn't know I couldn't do that.
Starting point is 01:58:58 You know what I mean? You can say that. She knew. A judge told her. So she knew. We got paperwork showing that she knew. You signed something. a judge told her so she knew we got paperwork showing that she knew you signed something so uh he said that once the cops left uh she grabbed him by the throat and choked him making it hard
Starting point is 01:59:10 for him to breathe now he is a professional wrestler so he's not like a he's not 140 pound guy no he's a he's a decent sized dude uh he says she also pulled his hair uh at that point she is arrested and held in lieu of 25 000 bail000 bail, charged with, like we said, disorderly conduct, protective order, violation, and strangulation. That is September 11th and 12th. September 13th, she is charged with violating a protective order. Oh, my God. She returned to the home. She was arrested and charged with violating the protective order.
Starting point is 01:59:42 She told police that he told her to come there. She's held in lieu of $2,500 bail. I don't know why that is this time. This is the third arrest now in three days for the same exact fucking thing. She's released into the custody of her sister, Denise Stone, who said that she was going to take her to a rehab facility in New Jersey, which is probably best for all concerned. At this point, WWE releases a statement concerning all of this. The statement reads, quote, as a part of WWE's former talent program,
Starting point is 02:00:15 we sent Miss Stitch to rehabilitation three times with all costs covered by WWE. By the way, if you don't know this, WWE has a policy, and we'll find out why, because he was forced to say why under oath in front of Congress at one point. So we know why he does it. But if you've ever wrestled, ever, basically, for anybody that was ever on television, like any of the WWF, AWA, WCW, any of these old places that Vince has now bought all the libraries for and bought all their names and all that shit, and you have a drug problem or an alcohol problem, you can tell the WWF and they will send you to rehab on their dime.
Starting point is 02:00:55 That's nice. Because it's bad PR when their wrestlers keep fucking dying. Right. It looks terrible for them. It looks shitty if they don't try to help. It looks awful when it's like, that guy made a lot of money, then you fired him, he went away, did drugs for 10 years and died. That doesn't look great for you. It looks like you're kind of shitty at that point.
Starting point is 02:01:11 The NFL might start thinking about Junior Seau shooting himself in the fucking chest. Thank you. It's all silver-haired, baby. All of it. It's all silver behavior. But how about you guys protect yourselves? It's bad fucking PR. We know what you're doing, you fucking jerks.
Starting point is 02:01:24 That's the thing. We know Xan later on when he fucking jerks. That's the thing. We know exactly. Later on, wait till you hear his quote on the whole thing. October 8th, 2012. This is a mere weeks later. She's arrested again. She is charged with disorderly conduct, criminal mischief, and three counts of violation of a protective order.
Starting point is 02:01:38 This is at her boyfriend's house again. Going back to Chris. Back again. No, no. This is Damien. Damien again. It's funny, too, because in one of the interviews that she does, he is there. You hear her keep talking to him because she's talking about guys she fucked, and she's like,
Starting point is 02:01:53 he doesn't know about this one, blah, blah, blah. Oh, my God. And she's like, he's mad at me because I didn't fuck Bret Hart. He loves Bret Hart. He's like, everybody you fuck, you couldn't have fucked him. I was like, what a weird relationship that is. What a weird conversation. Yeah, on camera, no less. that's somebody that knows her number you know what i mean like that gross disgusting you don't talk about that number that's the worst no they were talking about
Starting point is 02:02:14 basically it's a it's a show called you shoot it's the kayfabe commentaries guys do it and it's a show where if you do the show it's all questions from the internet and you got to answer them yeah so one of them was how many wrestlers have you fucked? And so she had to go through the list, and she went through a very, very trimmed-down list that did not include all the gross people that we discussed. She talked mainly about Shawn Michaels and Davey Boy. Sounds like she talked about the ones that she did not for pills. That's exactly what it was, I feel like, yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:41 Or she blew the guys for pills. The ones that you fucked with the intention of your climax being the pay bill. Pay for it. Exactly. So in this one where she's arrested, she's found intoxicated and sleeping at 7 p.m. on a Monday, which obviously violates the protective order of the domestic violence charges here. It violates the protective order of the domestic violence charges here. Her boyfriend here, Damien, told police he came home about 530 and found her passed out on the couch.
Starting point is 02:03:11 That's his story. Police found an empty bottle of alcohol on a table near the couch that she'd been on. Yeah. And there was a large hole in the bathroom door. That is because, Jesus Christ. I wanted to be McCarty so bad. He said, Damien, you know it's McCarty. Yeah, it's McCarty.
Starting point is 02:03:35 Damien said fucking, she was in the bathroom yelling and rambling and then kicked down the door. That's why there was a hole in it because she kicked it down from the inside for some reason. They found, police found Tammy on the bedroom floor under a large white blanket. She just hid under a blanket. Officers pulled back the blanket and told her to get up several times, but she refused. She said, I'm sleeping. Go away. I don't want any.
Starting point is 02:03:56 Do not disturb. Yeah. I put the thing on the door. You should go now. Get out. My foot hurts. Yeah. Officer said she appeared to be drunk, slurred her speech and smelled of alcohol uh so yeah they said that uh damien said he'd been they've dated for several
Starting point is 02:04:13 months she lived with him for two months and uh she has a problem with alcohol she's been in rehab all the time uh she ends up being arraigned uh her public defender uh she had a public defender certified intern speaking on her behalf, which sounds awful. That sounds like a person that just goes, so how much jail time does it? Okay, cool. Certified public intern. The intern part is the scary part. I would say public defender is a scary thing.
Starting point is 02:04:40 Public defender intern? Are you out of your fucking mind? No. I don't get charged for this person, and nobody's paying them. No one's paying them. That's what's happening. This is just fuck. This is somebody speaking on my behalf.
Starting point is 02:04:51 They're making no money for this. Well, they need to make mistakes, dear. They're doing this on the contingency that they need to learn? Yeah. No. No. Anytime I've ever done anything that made me need to learn, it was very painful. Absolutely. I was going to get, it was very painful. Absolutely.
Starting point is 02:05:06 I was going to get my ass kicked. Yeah, that's the case. This lawyer says that she went back to the home because she didn't have her cell phone and she didn't know how to ask the police for an escort. She could have just asked the cops, can I get my stuff out of there? And they would have taken her there and got her shit out. But instead, she just went there and is arrested. That's October 8th.
Starting point is 02:05:27 October 9th, 2012, she is arrested again for three violations of a protective order being held on $100,000 cash bond. This time, it was only six conditions in the protective order. She violated all of them. All of them. She's not supposed to be drinking either. It's another thing based on court shit. This is in Brantford, Connecticut.
Starting point is 02:05:49 Jesus Christ. Fifth arrest in a month in case you're not keeping charge here. After her last arrest the day before, there's another protective water set against her that prevents her from coming within 100 yards of him or contacting him. Now you're talking. And to stay away from her home. coming within 100 yards of him or contacting him. Now you're talking. And to stay away from her home. She was released on the $25,000 bond following the arrest.
Starting point is 02:06:09 A bail bondsman dropped her off down the street from his home at 4 o'clock p.m. What? He said, I want return business. What the fuck? She's going to get arrested again. I may as well drop her off a few doors down. Fuck it. So you'll be calling what, about 8 p.m. tonight, sweetheart?
Starting point is 02:06:26 All right. Sounds good. I'll see you then, honey. All right. Bye. Have a good one. He hands her a fucking bag lunch for the day. See you later.
Starting point is 02:06:33 See you tonight. She's got a thermos from him and shit. He had a stew cooking. I'll see you at home. Okay. The crock pot's going, honey. All right, then. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:43 So she gets dropped off right down the street uh she went into the home climbed uh climbed up the balcony and entered through an unlocked door on the balcony uh yes an off-duty uh police officer saw a woman matching her description you know scaling a fucking building right at 33 stone ridge lane and uh she's not permitted to be there the officer went in the home and found her inside and arrested her she told law enforcement she was there to gather her belongings but she was there for the last time they told her you can't do that you're arrested come tell us uh she said she knew her boyfriend wouldn't be home so she believed she wasn't in violation of the restraining order to stay away from him uh by going into anoccupied residence. Meanwhile, it says go near his home right on the fucking I saw the thing.
Starting point is 02:07:29 So, yes. Remember the 100 yards of his home part? Remember that part? Right. She says in court that she admitted that she was not thinking clearly when she went back there, which is obviously. We know. That's an understatement.
Starting point is 02:07:41 That's why you're here, sweetheart, because you're not thinking clearly. It's funny that you put clearly on the end. Clearly. So, yeah, just not thinking would have been fine. You're not thinking at all. That's fine. She's being held in lieu of $100,000 cash bail, her fifth arrest in a month, like we said. These are three counts of violating a protective order and burglary because she broke into the fucking house, too.
Starting point is 02:08:02 That is amazing. Oh, my God, man. Five in a month. Have you ever done anything? No. No. I've done nothing five times in a month. I've never done anything illegal.
Starting point is 02:08:13 I mean, that's arrestable five times in a month. That's like a serious if not. Nothing like that. She's released now on a promise to appear on the condition that she enters an inpatient rehab facility. The WWE has a statement to give about this again because now everybody just keeps asking them. Every time she gets arrested, they call them up and they're like, what do you guys say? This is Kevin Hennessey issues this statement. He says, quote, as a part of WWE's former talent rehabilitation program,
Starting point is 02:08:43 we sent Miss Stitch to rehabilitation three times, all costs covered by WWE. He reiterates that and then says, unfortunately, he adds something this time. Unfortunately, Miss Stitch continues to make poor personal choices. WWE will continue to provide assistance should she want to take advantage of it. So no matter how many times we send her to rehab, she's a fuck up. So sorry is what they said. I don't know what to tell you. Now, December comes around of this year, 2012.
Starting point is 02:09:11 The judge modifies the protective order to allow Tammy to contact Damien so they could talk as a part of her ongoing inpatient rehabilitation work. I guess that was part of her treatment or whatever. She's got to apologize. That sort of shit. Yes. So July or that was in late December. January 9th, 2013. Damien and Sonny are engaged.
Starting point is 02:09:36 Oh, my God. They atoned all the way to all the way to engage. How do you atone that far after this? The fuck? This is, by the way, he had called her after last time she was arrested. He said when she drinks, she is a, quote, uncontrollable violent demon. Will you marry me? Will you marry me? Yes.
Starting point is 02:09:56 She says she plans to leave her wrestling career and pursue her chiropractor's degree. Wow. She also said she's going to sell wrestling uh wwe hall of fame ring and uh just kind of be done with the whole done with the whole thing so everything's fine moving on yeah happily ever after right jimmy this can't end poorly right i would say he had a sky writer right like yeah marry me tammy marry me he called her a fucking straight-up demon. Demon. An uncontrollable, violent demon.
Starting point is 02:10:29 Not just a demon or a violent demon. Uncontrollable. One that you can't even control. Skywriter, marry me, demon. Marry me, baby. So this leads to, that's January 9th. January 29th, 2013, she's arrested again. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:10:42 She is arrested. She appears in New Haven, Connecticut court. It's a $100,000 bond. She's remanded to arrested again. Jesus. She is arrested. She appears in New Haven, Connecticut court. It's a $100,000 bond. She's remanded to be held. Wow. She says that she was lured to the home of her ex-boyfriend. Her attorney said that she doesn't have a car, and so she says that they say that he must have picked her up, or she took an Uber or got a ride or took the bus or couldn't possibly get there on the day of the incident,
Starting point is 02:11:05 brought her to his house and requested they move in together despite the protective order. So they say the police report says that she claims that at the time of her arrest, she'd been given a key and had been living there for two weeks, which makes sense because they announced their engagement about two and a half weeks ago. So that kind of makes sense. So she says that happened. She says that she was assaulted by him, and then she self-medicated by drinking alcohol after she was assaulted.
Starting point is 02:11:36 To feel better? To feel better about being in pain from being beaten up. So she files a criminal complaint back. Oh, James, she's a demon when she drinks. She's a demon. This is not good. This isn't good. So she she files one back, a lawsuit back.
Starting point is 02:11:54 She says in court, quote, I don't think it's fair to me. I was the one abused, she says, while she's crying in court. And I don't know. He's being treated by paramedics for his many strangulation scratches and and who knows maybe he hit her back i don't fucking know who knows maybe he hit her too i don't have any idea this is the first time you do this is the first time she's even claimed that he hit her but it's also her sixth arrest and it's kind of like what are you doing get the stop fucking going to this guy's house stop being together with this guy clearly it just keeps
Starting point is 02:12:23 leading to you being arrested. But at the same time, they announce their engagement. The whole thing's a fucking mess. So this is fucking ridiculous here. Her attorney makes a good point that, you know, he the boyfriend bears some responsibility and for sure. I'll call this a wash. She's at this point in two months. She's averaging more.
Starting point is 02:12:40 I'll call this a wash. At this point in two months, she's averaging three arrests a month, which is more touchdowns than most wide receivers average in a month. This is since September. September to January, six arrests. Stupid. Her lawyer asks the judge to allow her to have psychiatric testing to assess the root of her mental health issues. Stop drinking. That's the whole thing. You're an alcoholic. I don't know. You probably got a chemical balance. Some bipolar in issues. Stop drinking. Right. That's the whole thing. You're an alcoholic.
Starting point is 02:13:06 I don't know. You probably got a chemical balance. Bipolar in there. Right. Exactly. I have no idea. You have alcoholism. Your dad was clearly an alcoholic.
Starting point is 02:13:12 Right. So that's a problem there. She ends up serving 114 days in jail this time. That's a lot. Yeah. They end up sitting her in there. Four months. Unbelievable, right?
Starting point is 02:13:22 I mean, Jesus Christ. She's sitting in there in fucking jail and she was in and out of the psych ward too of the jail and all that type of thing and that four months she probably in that entire time didn't have any clue how long she was going to be in there so it's just an indefinite it's so weird yeah and it's you know no like i'm sure she doesn't have all the friends she used to have and all that kind of thing despair sets in i'm telling you from what i understand she only had one visitor this whole entire time. One visitor while she was in here. And it was my grandma.
Starting point is 02:13:50 And she said... Ma, how is it you've come to arrive here? Ma, why are you here? Ma, you are... Come here, sweetheart. Ma, you're so beautiful. Ma, you're a nice-looking young girl. You're so nice.
Starting point is 02:14:08 Why didn't you find a nice husband? You get married, you know. You have a nice life. Instead of put on. You're put on. Put on, put on, put on. Oh, with so many. Oh, my, oh, my, oh.
Starting point is 02:14:19 With so many men. You ruin yourself. Oh, my, look. Now you're fat. You're wrinkly. Nobody nobody want you now i'm sorry i'm sorry sweetie nobody wants you it's okay oh it's okay and poof and a poof of marinara sauce and homemade macaroni she's gone by the way there's nothing harsher than she said to her daughters that i know of she'll say if my mother gains five pounds, she'll go, why do you look so fat, Angela?
Starting point is 02:14:46 She'll say that to her. So that was literally, I wasn't like a guy calling, that was literally what my grandma would have said to her. That's amazing. 100% channeling grandma.
Starting point is 02:14:55 Why are you rude to yourself? Why are you rude to yourself? Why are you so fat? Why are you so fat now? She'd say, that's what she'd say. Why do you look terrible? She'll tell people,
Starting point is 02:15:04 she'll tell anyone that. Why do you look terrible. She'll tell people. She'll tell anyone that. My, you look terrible. What's wrong with you? What? By the way, grandma had another surgery for the heart valve two days ago. Came out flying colors. She's doing great. Doing great.
Starting point is 02:15:17 So she should be alive for a while longer now. So that's good. Good for grandma. So I had to do grandma as a salute to grandma. That's fantastic. She's looking great. Don't let her tell you any different uh damian darling here uh talks about we have some quotes from him on tammy which i find funny just because he's involved in this shit of course because he fucking keeps bringing her back yeah that's hysterical fucking ridiculous
Starting point is 02:15:40 she said he says let's just have some quotes here just because you go on facebook or you go on twitter and pretend like you're so successful and happy and you're a hall of famer or whatever, that's not reality. No disrespect to a WWE hall of fame ring, but a WWE hall of fame ring and a dollar will get you a bag of Doritos at a deli. She went to three different rehabs in our relationship. The first time she went to rehab for 30 days, she came out of that rehab and had so much medication, which was over prescribed for her before your note, you know, you're filming a show or you're filming a shoot interview and you're fucking three pills deep and you're not yourself. That's the one I saw. I told you about. She said pills makes her somebody else. Apparently, I've been in rehab for a while. Maybe if you've had a few pills, ain't shit.
Starting point is 02:16:20 Well, I don't know how much she's taken. Yeah. So on why their relationship didn't work out, he said, quote, I think maybe Tammy thought she'd have some boyfriend that she could move in with that would come home from work and she'd be fucking passed out drunk that would wash her and clean her up. And because she was who she was, would manage to pull through. That's not me. One day I came home and she was
Starting point is 02:16:40 passed out and there was an empty bottle of vodka on the floor. Not Bacardi's. The first thing I did was pick up the phone and call WWE and get one of the representatives that handle their rehab facility on the phone. They would have sent a cab right over, would have picked her up and took her right to rehab. WWE rehab is amazing. They will absolutely send a cab to your house, pick you up, and find you the best rehab facility in the country.
Starting point is 02:17:01 She says Sonny is eventually at one point accused her of sexual accused him of sexual abuse. Oh, no, darling. He says it was reported in the newspaper by her attorney who made some statements that she had broken ribs. When I first read that on a Monday morning, like the entire world did, the first thing I did was I went to the police department. They pulled me aside and said, listen, she was arrested on Friday. She was fine. She was here in custody on Saturday. She was fine. She saw her lawyer on Sunday. An hour and a half later, they filed a criminal complaint against you for assault and sexual assault.
Starting point is 02:17:30 They had her x-rayed and said she had no injuries and absolutely no signs of any sort of sexual assault. So I was never charged or investigated or anything. Her accusations of me breaking her ribs are just what they are. Lies. Wow. Lies. So she's a nut.
Starting point is 02:17:44 That's what he said said and that's the problem with with fucking rape allegations it's it's it's allegations like that one well the problem with ones that aren't right that's what it is it discounts anybody that's uh actually fucking raped yeah or beaten whatever uh she says uh by the way later, this is a quote that we'll have to. OK. She accuses him of giving her HPV. Awesome. OK. Meanwhile, she's fucking slept with everybody under the sun. But he's the one.
Starting point is 02:18:12 Gave her HPV. She said, we'll get into this later, but she says that while she's having a problem later on that she had cervical cancer because he gave her HPV. This was like six months later. Jesus. So that doesn't โ€“ she might have had precancerous cells, which is a thing that you have and they have them removed. They had a cyst. Whatever.
Starting point is 02:18:32 So anyway, we're not vagina experts. No. But I know there's precancerous cells that they remove and then they have to keep getting checked to make sure that they don't come back. To make sure they don't come back. Right. But yeah, that happens. It's very common.
Starting point is 02:18:42 He says about her, quote, when she was released from prison, a normal person would maybe call your mom or your family or your friends. The first thing Tammy did when she was released from prison was call TMZ. She called TMZ. I had an irregular pat. And said that she was writing an autobiography and that she was cured of cancer. She accused me of giving her an STD that was HPV that turned into cervical cancer. HPV is an STD that could turn into cervical cancer, only it takes like seven to eight years for HPV to actually turn into cervical cancer. So that means that eight years ago when I was a freshman in high school, I was not the guy that was banging Tammy Sitch.
Starting point is 02:19:17 Well done, sir. Nice job. Yeah. And finally, the final straw for him in the relationship, as he puts it, quote, she was arrested six times. It really wasn't until the last final time she was arrested in my apartment. I came home. The same thing happened again. Only this time it was so fucking violent and dangerous. When you have a drunk woman attacking you with bottles and knives and hammers and whatever else, there's not a whole lot you can do. The last time we were together, it was very dangerous. There was a moment, I'll be honest, I fell on my ass and broke down and cried. There was a moment where I just had this vision in my mind of newspaper articles of one of us being dead because it was getting that bad. Like Chris Benoit and Nancy, something crazy. It was dangerous, and I never had been in a relationship like that before. Only difference is they'd only know who one of you was in the newspaper.
Starting point is 02:20:02 It would say, Tammy Sitch kills man. That's what it would say. Tammy Sitch kills boyfriend. Or man kills it would say. Tammy Sitch kills boyfriend. Or man kills Tammy Sitch. That's the difference. He'd be live-in lover. If that's your ring name, then yeah, you'd be worldwide. That's a good point.
Starting point is 02:20:18 Live-in lover. Live-in lover. May took... Just concubine. Tammy Sitch kills concubine. Kills concubine Demi Sitch kills concubine kills concubine that's a fucking headline I was hat for fucking demasculation you motherfucker he made himself a little over important there with the whole headline thing
Starting point is 02:20:38 calm down chief I had visions of headlines I had visions of page seven on the bottom lower right hand corner former wrestling manager kills a concubine back in the corner not even front and center, you motherfucker. Fuck no. May 21st, 2013. She's out of jail. Page seven.
Starting point is 02:21:08 Not even page six. Nope. Not even where the gossip starts. Nope, page seven, bitches. Next page, buddy. Page eight. Next to the fucking crossword. That's right.
Starting point is 02:21:17 And the ads for fucking tires and oil changes and shit back there. Kills concubines. May 21st, 2013. She's out of jail. Fresh out. She says in a statement provided by her lawyer, she says, quote, thank God it's over. Yeah. He says, quote, she's very happy to put this entire ordeal behind her.
Starting point is 02:21:41 Tammy thanks all of her fans and friends for their support through this ordeal. Tammy looks forward to moving on with her life and has many plans, including going back to school and continuing to pursue her love of animals. How the fuck do you pursue a love of animals? What does that mean? I pursue it every day. I look at pictures and shit. That's not a profession, though.
Starting point is 02:21:59 Pursue your love of animals. I pet my dogs. I'm pursuing my love of animals. You are. Here, buddy. There you go. I cut dingleberries off his ass pursuing the love. Get short- pet my dogs. I'm pursuing my love of animals. You are. Here, buddy. There you go. I cut dingleberries off his ass pursuing the love. Get short-haired dogs. That's what I do. I don't love them that much. So you just dropped onto the table.
Starting point is 02:22:16 That's pretty funny. I just watched Jimmy go down. Sometimes when I clean his ass up, I think that. I go, how much do I give a shit about this guy? Shouldn't I just shave him every month? It's hot out here. Then he turns around and kisses me, and I go, he just thanked me. What a lover.
Starting point is 02:22:42 Also says, Tammy wants to send a special thank you to her sister Lori, who is a guardian angel throughout this difficult phase in her life. Then she talks about the HPV. Yeah. She says she found out. She's that girl. Yeah. She found out while doing time that it developed into cervical cancer. She says she underwent a hysterectomy at the area hospital a couple weeks ago and is now cancer free.
Starting point is 02:22:59 What? That's a big offer. It might have been one of those partial deals, but I don't know about that. That's true or not. We don't know how true that is. It's not an offer. It might have been one of those partial deals, but I don't know about that. That's true or not. We don't know how true that is. It's like having a cancer in your bone on your arm and you cut your arm off and you're like, cancer free. Cancer free, baby. Just took it out.
Starting point is 02:23:15 Took it all out. But I mean, maybe that, because she was in her 30s at that point, so she could have had a hysterectomy. I think if she was in her 20s, they would have gone as far as they could to not do that. It's a vicious way to solve HPV. Meanwhile, you're not solved and cured because you've still got HPV, and that causes throat cancer. It causes all kinds of things. Not for her. It's linked to it.
Starting point is 02:23:33 Not for her, though. Really? No. Is that only for dudes? You don't get throat cancer from your own vagina. No, no, no. But it's in your blood. It's not just in your vagina.
Starting point is 02:23:42 You know what I mean? No, that's kind of where it is, though, because that's where it'sโ€” Well, the HPV virus can also cause throat cancer. It's a weird thing. It's not just in your vagina. You know what I mean? Yeah, but no, it's kind of where it is, though, because that's where it's... Well, the HPV virus can also cause throat cancer. It's a weird thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's what happened to fucking... What's his fuck? Yeah, Michael Gordon Gekko there.
Starting point is 02:23:53 Michael Douglas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His wife's pussy gave him throat cancer. I'm like romancing the stone, asshole. And he came back. And he came back. He remarried her. See?
Starting point is 02:24:03 It happens, man. Love does things. Thanks to you. My wife gives me the flu. I'm gone. Goodbye. She says at this point she's going to, she used her time in prison to write an autobiography and plans to make a fresh start in New Mexico, of all places. What? Okay. So she is on conditional discharge for the next two years, provided that she doesn't show up where she's not welcome and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She's talking shit
Starting point is 02:24:27 fresh out of jail. In June she's talking shit, talking about the new divas are bullshit compared to her. She said, I find it fascinating that so many women now strive to be a WWE diva. I'm so happy I helped make that occupation a glamorous one back in the prehistoric days
Starting point is 02:24:44 of not-so-glamorous lady wrestlers. She's just on the porch of a trailer in New Mexico. Yeah, that's what she said, double-wide. She's like, just like home. She says, then I came along and anything they threw at me I could do. I could get in the ring and have a match. I managed at ringside. I co-hosted TV shows.
Starting point is 02:25:00 I did broadcasting. I did the modeling. I was the first one. My definition of diva is that all-around, well-rounded performer. Okay. I did the modeling. I was the first one. My definition of diva is that all-around, well-rounded performer. Best buns, 96. She strokes a trophy that's a coppered or
Starting point is 02:25:15 bronzed ass. Exactly. See? Best ass. What town did she move to in New Mexico, did they say? She didn't move to New Mexico. That was what she was planning on doing. It just sounded good. Never went. Sounded different. I'm good now. I'm going all the way there.
Starting point is 02:25:28 Book comes out, the opening of the book. Let's just have a little theater here of this, and we'll see what she says here. Quote, I'm lying under my hospital green sheet and blanket, excited that I received this writing tablet from the commissary today. Yes, that is the highlight of your week when you're an inmate at a women's state prison. Inmate number 393257 to be exact. You're probably wondering why I'm here, right? Well, to put it plainly, the man I loved most in the world and whom I thought loved me put me here. Yup, my fiancรฉ, Damien, the man I was going to marry.
Starting point is 02:26:01 Just 29 short days ago, he put a ring on my finger and asked me to be his wife. I said yes. That's the opening of her book. Very opening. He put me here. He's a dick and I'm in jail because of him because he's a fucking asshole. Because I accepted his marriage proposal. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:26:19 She said that she loved him. She said it was the first time she'd ever been officially proposed to. She said that the sex was so good that she didn't want to let go. She says he was one of the sexiest men I've ever been with. The way his curly long hair would blow in the breeze. The way his smooth caramel skin felt against mine. The way he would saunter up to me sensually when he wanted to make love. His big green eyes sparklingly looked at me.
Starting point is 02:26:45 It was enough to make me melt. Yes. On the other hand, he lived in a pigsty of a dumpy apartment, barely held a job at a home restoration company making $10.50 per hour, and his one and only credit card was still being managed by his mommy. He was always behind on his rent, and each time I moved back in, I had to clean up his bills. Wow.
Starting point is 02:27:03 So those are two different paragraphs about the same guy, I would say. Buddy fucks great. Fucks great. See previous paragraph. So that's like the pre-chapter one here. Yeah. So chapter four. That's the forward.
Starting point is 02:27:21 That's the dedication. To Damien. As I sit here beneath my green. The best dick dumpiest apartment in the fucking asshole going for putting me in a green shitty sheet. Thank you. Chapter one. Chapter one starts out with a Bible quote. No.
Starting point is 02:27:39 I swear to God, Jimmy. A fucking Bible. Are you joking? Are you out of your fucking mind, Tammy? Does it name the verse and everything? Listen, lady, I've been with you up to this point. I've been rooting for you, Tammy. I'm rooting for you, and I'm saying, you know what, man?
Starting point is 02:27:54 It's a fucking hard life, and wrestling's tough, and I know comics are crazy. It's the same fucking way, and I get it, and I root for you, and I hope you're doing well. And then she puts a fucking Bible quote in there, and I'm like, fuck you. Eat dicks. Chapter like, fuck you. Eat dicks. Chapter one, Romans 13.4. I hope you get arrested five fucking six more times, which, by the way, she does.
Starting point is 02:28:11 Stay tuned. Watch out. It's coming. Her thing is Matthew 10.16. Okay. Behold, I send you out as sheep amidst the wolves. So be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. She says, this is scripture from the New Testament.
Starting point is 02:28:31 This scripture from the New Testament is easily my favorite because it applies to every aspect of my life, especially now. She has a favorite. She has a favorite. This is the one I saw one time. Right. So I wrote it down. This is the only one I know. Technically my favorite.
Starting point is 02:28:43 Right. That's all I'm going to say. So May 30th, 2015, Tammy is stopped by Mahoning Township Police in Pennsylvania after being seen driving erratically into a Walmart parking lot. That is the bottom right now. Once you've been seen driving erratically into a Walmart parking lot, you showed up at Walmart shit-faced. It's over, man. Blood tests show she had a 0.25 blood alcohol level. That's a lot. Which is a fucking lot of fucking alcohol in your blood. That's half dead.
Starting point is 02:29:12 I wouldn't be able to walk if I was โ€“ you had to be an alcoholic. No, that's a lot. To be able to walk and drive and just get around and be functional. That's three times the legal limit. You have to be an alcoholic to do that because I'd be sleeping if I had that much booze in me. So that is May 30, 2015. June 1, 2015. Tammy is pulled over after her car crossed the solid yellow line several times and then entered oncoming traffic on a road in Layton, Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 02:29:41 in Layton, Pennsylvania. She was unable to provide proof of insurance or a driver's license and was identified only after the authorities checked the records with her license plates and all that. Got it. The trooper said that reported her eyes were bloodshot and glassy and that she smelled of alcohol. They also found a- Yeah, Bacardi. Well, actually, we found it.
Starting point is 02:30:00 It's Coors Light. Is that a thing? She had a 12-pack of Coors Light bottles in the car with an open one or an empty one sitting there. And the cap was on the floor of the passenger side. So she just got one, cracked right into it. The other 11 were unopened. So that's good. That's nice.
Starting point is 02:30:15 She claimed she'd been drinking the night before, was just driving to pick up eggs and milk. Very innocent. Right. But then they asked her to get out of the car, and she staggered and had problems with her balance and needed to lean on her car to maintain uprightness yeah so that's how hammered she was last night yeah last night was a real i tied one on i gotta be honest with you i'm still hammered blood alcohol level here 0.30 whoa fucking higher than the day before from the day before god. Holy shit. If her story's accurate, she had to be a.7 yesterday. She got out of jail and started drinking again.
Starting point is 02:30:53 .3. Damn. June 30th, 2015, Jimmy. Tammy crashes her car into a ditch in Tewenmensing Township. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. a ditch in Tewemensing Township, Pennsylvania, 10.40 p.m., claiming to the cops that
Starting point is 02:31:09 her GPS had told her to make a This is the best. This is a great excuse. This is amazing. This is awesome. You knew exactly where I was going. Oh, that hurts. GPS told her to make a, quote, sudden turn, which caused her to turn wide and end up in a ditch.
Starting point is 02:31:32 Holy shit. Turn into that ditch now. Now. Right now. Crash. It told me to. I don't know. The Damien Programmer.
Starting point is 02:31:42 Holy fuck. Trying to kill her. Oh, that's awesome. The cop cops she was unable to back the car out. It was stuck in the ditch. It was a 2008 Dodge Caliber. So that's what she's driving in 2015. So things are not going great for this woman here. It's a little shitty
Starting point is 02:31:57 hatchback. It is. This is in the intersection of Gun Club Road and Forest Inn Road. Yeah. That's amazing, though. She got the caliber with GPS, though, or she probably got it on her phone. That's probably on her phone. That's for sure. Or one of those little ones you stick to the windshield.
Starting point is 02:32:15 And it's old and doesn't know what ditch was dug there. No, they dug a ditch there four years ago. She didn't update the file. That's hilarious. She's got no computer. She can't update the fucking. That's hilarious. She's got no computer. She can't update the fucking thing. She doesn't know how to hook it up. It's just a mess.
Starting point is 02:32:29 There used to be a road here. Turn. She lost the mini USB that goes to it. She's like, I don't fucking know what to do here. That's awesome. The officer said he detected the odor of an alcoholic beverage, and she also had glassy bloodshot eyes and slurred speech. Based on her history, let's go ahead and say she's drunk.
Starting point is 02:32:47 They have her perform field sobriety tests, but she said she was in too much pain due to her recent blacking out and falling down the stairs. So she had recently done that. Holy shit, she's a mess. Yes, they placed her under arrest, and she took a breathalyzer test back at the barracks. So this is like an hour later, and it was still.078. Okay. So she was a little drunk.
Starting point is 02:33:09 Under the limit. Under the limit right then. Barely. Barely. And I don't know what that states. Pennsylvania, I would assume it's like.16 in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. It's.30 there.
Starting point is 02:33:21 Listen, we're all a little hammered, all right? Let's not get carried away here. We're not going toโ€”no one's going to, we're all a little fucked up. We understand that shit, so just don't worry about it. The closer you get to Philly, the higher it gets. Try to stick to the woods when you're driving. That's all. Just stick to the woods.
Starting point is 02:33:34 Watch out for the fucking ditches. Go ahead. Watch out for ditches. Nobody use GPS. They don't know shit about this place. The police said she doesn't have a valid driver's license in any state in the union. Nowhere. Nowhere. Nowhere.
Starting point is 02:33:45 Nowhere. Yeah. Not a goddamn thing here. Are they calling her Tammy Ditch now? Yeah. Yeah. Tammy Ditch. That's great.
Starting point is 02:33:56 Now, she says she claims on social media that she was not arrested for DUI when she crashed her car because she wasn't drinking. She actually had a seizure that caused her to crash into a ditch. Oh, Jesus. That's what she says then. No more GPS excuse. September 25th, 2015, Tammy is arrested. Shocker, in Pennsylvania, on an outstanding bench warrant. The court issued the warrant when she missed three hearings in May for DUI, careless driving, driving on a suspended license.
Starting point is 02:34:25 Three of them. Three different hearings. She's in custody there. She's waiting for her bail amount to be set. December 12, 2015, Chris Candido's brother and family produces, but the brother is the main producer, produces a documentary on Chris Candido. Nice. Yes. And it does not portray her in a very good light, as you might imagine.
Starting point is 02:34:46 His brother might not paint her in a good light. She writes on Facebook about this. Here we go. Let's let it fly. Quote. How much Bacardi did she have before this? She had a fucking IV hooked up next to her. She's flicking it with her finger.
Starting point is 02:35:02 Yeah, that's good. Bubbles are out. Let's do this. Keep that drip going. Come on, Facebook. She said, quote, a message to all. Yeah, that's good. Bubbles are out. Let's do this. Keep that drip going. Come on, Facebook. She said, quote, a message to all of Chris Candido's family and friends. Go watch the trailer that his drug addict of a brother made. That is all bullshit.
Starting point is 02:35:14 They never supported him in anything he did unless they could gloat about his WWF status and get free tickets. I was there. I lived it with him for 16 years. I was there for the good, the bad, and the horrible. He died doing what he loved to do. And for 10 years now, I get blamed for not getting him to the hospital soon enough. Gee, he died. He loved blood clots. What are you talking about? Paris? She was like, will you shut up? I am blowing a guy. Come on with your blood clots. Uh, yes. But, uh, she says, uh, she gets blamed for not going, sending him to the hospital too soon.
Starting point is 02:35:45 That's not fair to blame her for that. I'll say I don't know anything anyway. Quote, while the doc reassured me there was nothing I could do. Shame on me. Fuck all of you who think otherwise. Those who know who know me and him know the real story. So go support a false documentary about his life and make that family that didn't give a shit about him money. Sad bastards they are.
Starting point is 02:36:03 If you remember correctly, I have never tried to profit off his death while many others have. Many! Exclamation point. So, so many quote memorial shows. Where did the money go? Not to me, not to pay his outstanding bills. Nowhere but to the promoter's pocket. I wasn't even given an option on his burial. I was told he was being cremated and had no say so because we weren't legally married. Yeah, that was my family. Fuck them. Tamara Linsich. That's the law, honey.
Starting point is 02:36:32 That's all the law. You're not married. By the way, you had to pay his outstanding โ€“ you're not married. They don't get to go after you for his outstanding medical bills. They didn't. All that shit washes. Didn't she just say I had to pay his outstanding medical bills? Not to me, not to pay his outstanding โ€“ I don't know if that shit washes. They didn't. Didn't she just say I had to pay his outstanding medical bills? Not to me, not to pay his outstanding. I don't know if that was for him or his family.
Starting point is 02:36:49 You don't have to deal with that anyway. I remember hearing a story about a check that was like one of his last checks that somebody had that she tried to get it from him. You're not married to him. You're not entitled to it. It's a big fucking deal here. This is why gay people wanted to get married because of this situation. Exactly. That's exactly right. This is not your problem, dear. You're not married to him. You're not entitled to it. It's a big fucking deal here. This is why gay people wanted to get married, because of this situation. Exactly.
Starting point is 02:37:06 That's exactly right. This is not your problem, dear. You're not married to him. Nope. His mom should have to say at that point, especially since you're blowing everyone. Right. If they were a great couple, I'd say, yeah, maybe, but she blew everyone. You're sorry.
Starting point is 02:37:19 The girl who blows everyone doesn't get to decide how my kid gets buried. Fuck you. Unless he's into that, whatever. But if he's not into it, then that's your fucking problem. That's your problem. January 2016, Tammy pleads guilty in all three DUI cases. They lump them all together as well as one count of driving without a license. The court dismisses the lesser charge as part of her guilty plea.
Starting point is 02:37:42 Later that month, she uses the N-word on Twitter. Not like this person's a so-and-so. She said, what's happening? Oh, no. N-word with an A to her friend. No. Just like, what up? You still don't get to do that.
Starting point is 02:37:55 So-and-so, you don't get to do that. There's a huge thing. People are like, fuck you. She's like, he's not even black. Why is that? It's not like I called a black guy this. Well, that's the point. Neither are you.
Starting point is 02:38:04 It's not your word. Yeah, she tried. tried she said that's my pet name for him it's like he's latino he's not even black that's what she said it's like well you can't no on twitter that just doesn't it's it's unbecoming let's just say don't do that so that's a big issue say that call him and say that shit over the phone and she'll uh she'll talk more about that in a minute here. Shout it from a moving vehicle. Whose joke is that? Yeah, yeah. Shout it from a moving vehicle like the rest of us. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:38:31 Oh, it's Jim Norton. That's it. Yeah. It's just Jim Norton. So good. So February 4th, 2016, her book comes out. It is called, quote, A Star Shattered, The Rise and Fall and Rise of Wrestling Diva. When are you going to rise again?
Starting point is 02:38:50 I was going to say, where's that last rise? I guess that's the Hall of Fame. It's definitely not February of 2016 when she announces that she officially signed with Vivid Entertainment to shoot porn. Awesome. Yes. I'm watching this. This is not very surprising. to shoot porn. Awesome.
Starting point is 02:39:04 Yes. I'm watching this. This is not very surprising. At some point, by the way, back in the day there, her and Missy Hyatt, who was a big wrestling and a valet, kind of did what she did. She was Tammy before Tammy. In the 80s and early 90s, they did a website together where they
Starting point is 02:39:19 put up nude pictures of themselves. It was back when you could have nude shit that people would actually look for that didn't have to be, like, porno. Like, porn. Now people are like, I'm not paying for that. I won't even pay for porn, goddamn it. I'm not paying for that. There's people that pay for porn, so that's crazy.
Starting point is 02:39:38 So February 16th, 2016, her porn comes out. It is called Sunny Side Up. Oh, boy. Obviously. The tagline, this is on IMDb, by the way by the way because you know they put porn on there now too the tagline for it and this is just because there's no other description the description is i've been waiting to read this to you because i know you and you're gonna love it i guess sure please i don't know. It's going to be Sonny gets pounded one way or another. No, no.
Starting point is 02:40:05 It is, quote, Sonny explores her sexuality by trying anal. All class. That's rise and fall and rise. You're all sticky and smell like poop. Exactly. So. That's just your butt. I found a review of said video where a guy describes what happens here.
Starting point is 02:40:26 Apparently in the first scene, she's in a hotel. She's masturbating with a glass dildo. Apparently she's rubbing herself a whole bunch. Basically, this is a she uses a bunch of different positions, fingering herself and all sorts of shit like that. You know, that works. You know how the teaser starts with these first scenes? Yeah. The second
Starting point is 02:40:47 scene, they said she's wearing it. He's disappointed because he says, quote, I'm not sure if you could classify this as a separate scene because it's in the same room and Tammy is wearing the same lingerie, but she has everything back on so I'll say it's a different scene. Okay. Why don't you put your underwear back on? We're going to call that scene. Okay? How about that? And scene two.
Starting point is 02:41:04 Put that back on. Yeah. This guy goes down on her and doing a thing she's in cowgirl here she's blowing him uh yeah she's uh moaning a lot missionary oh there's anal in this one oh boy um you're not fast forwarding watching it right now i'm fast forwarding reading this is the same thing there's some anal in there uh he says quote this is amazing i would have liked to have seen some more positions but i will let it go because i know she isn't a pro and therefore might not be comfortable in other positions also i already came and i pressed stop he says quote doggy is the is the final position before he pulls out and squirts on her face.
Starting point is 02:41:48 I must say I was pretty impressed here, he says. What, she took it how you would hope she would take it? The next scene, there's handcuffs involved. She goes again? There's three different scenes, I guess. Okay. More facial action there. She catches it on the face. She takes a shower and starts anew.
Starting point is 02:42:05 And then let's let this journalist, obviously, because he's clearly a journalist, let's let him tell us how the scene finishes. Quote, the scene then finishes with him dropping a load on her face. Scene. So, journalist right here. Yes.
Starting point is 02:42:23 So, final thoughts and rating. I think it's a solid title that I regard, and I give it 4.25 out of 5 stars. Wow. Not bad. Four and a quarter stars. Who are you, fucking Ed McMahon? I was going to say, not bad at all. Her fucking, I bet her dad's not happy with her now.
Starting point is 02:42:40 If he was disappointed after seven arrests. He's mad. Damien Darling, the goddamn Candido family, the fucking WWE wasting all his rehab money and everything else. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not nearly as bad as I feel for. There's no Tammy Sitches out there. But I did find a shitload of Tammy Lynn's.
Starting point is 02:42:59 Okay. The worst one of all. If you search Tammy Sitch LinkedIn, her name, Tammy Sitch LinkedIn, the first thing that comes up, not on LinkedIn, on Google, is Tammy Lynn, who is a, that's her middle name, Tammy Lynn Sitch. Tammy Lynn, who's the publicist owner of Spotlight PR Company. Oh, no. And she is the, I'm sorry, I don't know if I'd hire that person because your PR is shit because when you search fucking,
Starting point is 02:43:28 oh, my God, this other name of a criminal on LinkedIn, you are the first thing that comes up and your name is the same. Not great. Not great. You can't even make your name not appear with somebody that's a criminal and porn star. You're bad at PR for yourself. Right. Wow.
Starting point is 02:43:42 You're bad at PR for yourself. Right. Wow. I'm blown away that a man tugged to a porno and then had the wherewithal to rate it. I'm blown away by comments on a porn grant. He took full notes. Those were huge paragraphs. I had to sift through them. It was insane.
Starting point is 02:43:58 That's ridiculous. So court, August 18th, 2006, a Judge Matika sentences Tammy to 97 days in prison and then gives her credit for 95 days in rehab. The final 60 days of that rehab were paid for by the WWE, which had reversed a previous stance because WWE at one point said they were cutting her off from her assistants. And then they got a bunch of bad publicity for it. And then they said, OK, fine, we'll pay for your assistant. She kept getting arrested. They're like, how come the WWE is not stepping in? Then they got a bunch of bad publicity for it. And then they said, OK, fine, we'll pay for your assist. Because she kept getting arrested. And they're like, how come the WWE is not stepping in?
Starting point is 02:44:28 So, yeah. They should definitely get our new GPS, too. Yeah. Yeah, no shit. So she's also given credit for two days spent in jail there. So she's sentenced at this point. So no jail. She's sentenced to five years of probation with required biweekly alcohol testing as well as 125 hours of community service and fines of $2,100. And then she's released without spending a day in jail. But warned by the judge that if she got in any trouble during her five-year probation, there would be consequences.
Starting point is 02:45:03 God damn it. Shake my finger at you, young lady. I swear. I swear. Why did she plead guilty? She said she agreed to plead guilty because she was, quote, blackout drunk during what she termed to be the worst relapse of her life. She said she couldn't remember anything from the arrests.
Starting point is 02:45:19 She couldn't testify in court about what happened because she couldn't remember, and she knew that the police had video footage of her all fucked up. That's awesome. That's a bad trial for you. I don't remember. Well, here's you stumbling around. Maybe that's why you don't remember. OK, guilty.
Starting point is 02:45:34 Yeah. She said the decision was to plead guilty was part of the agreement. Obviously, she praised the judge for being so lenient and allowing her to do the time in rehab as opposed to just jail time. Now, September 5th, 2016, she's arrested again. the judge for being so lenient and allowing her to do the time in rehab as opposed to just jail time. Now, September 5th, 2016, she's arrested again. She's arrested, pleads guilty in this case here to driving without a license, driving an unregistered vehicle, operating a vehicle without required financial responsibility, no insurance, displaying a plate card in an improper vehicle, license plate displayed on a car that it doesn't belong
Starting point is 02:46:05 to, which is definitely a fucking crime, operating vehicle without valid inspection, driving without evidence of an emission inspection, all this shit, okay? She's charged also at this point with receiving stolen property by the Lehigh Township Police. I think that's something to do with the license plate. She is also, this whole thing, she's fined $1,496.45 as part of an agreement that saw the prosecutors drop the receiving stolen property charge against her, and instead they opt for a charge of fraudulent use or removal of unregistered license plates. So she just put bullshit license plates on her car and fucking drove it down the street.
Starting point is 02:46:41 Idiot. Like an idiot. September 12, 2016, she is rushed from her home in Pennsylvania, in Palmerton, Pennsylvania, to the hospital. She is charged with possession of alcohol as well as being under the influence of alcohol. That's not good. Yeah, they violate her zero tolerance of her probation. Right.
Starting point is 02:46:59 She says on Facebook that the hospitalization was related to her pancreas, not her boozius. Wow. She said she's had pancreatitis in the past brought on by her heavy drinking, which nearly has led to her death in the past. In her book, she said that she'd been warned by doctors that if she didn't
Starting point is 02:47:20 stop, she would die. So what does she do? Keep fucking drinking. September 20th, 2016, eight days later, she's released from the hospital. September 23rd, she's brought right back to the hospital. Authorities are called to her home. Court records say that she was charged with being under the influence.
Starting point is 02:47:36 This is a third violation of the zero-tolerance... Okay. At what point to how many violations of a zero-tolerance policy do you have to have before it's not a fucking policy anymore? It's just for sure. It's already not a policy. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:47:49 She's taken into custody and transported directly to the Carbon County Correctional Facility. This is six weeks. This is less than six weeks after the probation began. Unbelievable. Yeah. This point here, she remains incarcerated for five months. Five months. This is different.
Starting point is 02:48:05 Paroled in February of 2017, and she agrees to go to a WWE-sponsored rehab. When she's released, the court orders her to report directly to an inpatient drug rehab that WWE will pay for, like we said. She also has to perform an additional 75 hours of community service, so now it's 200. She's informed that she will have a zero-tolerance threshold, again, for possession, control, and consumption of alcoholic beverages or non-prescribed medication, and also zero tolerance for any missed urine screens without a legitimate excuse. Unbelievable. She's not even allowed to own booze. No, not allowed to own it or give it to someone. Hand me that drink over there. Pick me up a six pack at the store. Can you put these in the fridge for me? No, I actually can't. I actually can't. As a matter of fact, no, it's not going to
Starting point is 02:48:57 happen. So January 2017, she pleads guilty to driving without a license, driving an unregistered vehicle, operating without that whole list. No insurance, the license plate thing. She enters a plea during her arraignment there. As part of the deal, the charges of receiving the other one, the stolen property deal. 2017, she's doing webcam shit. Oh, no. She's fingering herself on the Internet and arguing with trolls and calling a few fucking assholes
Starting point is 02:49:25 why the fuck are so many people watching if nobody gives a fuck and how dare you motherfuckers and she's like she's like naked arguing with people she's like naked angry talking shit to people while she's trying to be like I'm sexy right in her 40s yeah it's super fucking weird yeah at 45 years old it's fucking strange man it's just very strange the wrong side of 40 and she's yelling at people online with her pussy out. It's so weird. It's a really weird thing. And then she brags about it on social media.
Starting point is 02:49:54 Wow. It's like, I had my pussy out and this guy said the wrong thing, so I told him what the fuck was up. Who's he thinking? And by the way, she has quotes about it, too. Really? We'll get to it. Oh, my God. She is taken aback by, she has quotes about it, too. Really? We'll get to it. Oh, my God. She is taken aback by, she is.
Starting point is 02:50:08 This is awesome. July. Can you imagine if one of our, like a football player, if a football player falls so far that he's online with his dick in his hand? Go, hey, man, fuck you. Yeah, I dropped that ball in the 89 playoffs, motherfucker, so what? As he's still stroking? Everybody's still horny?
Starting point is 02:50:27 All right. I'm about to cum. I'm going to cum now. It'll be the end of the show. All right. Where do you want me to put it? On my championship ring? All right, here we go.
Starting point is 02:50:39 Ready? Here we go. July 2017. Unbelievable. Oh, that's awesome. What a scene. what a fucking scene right there what a mess so the first week of july 2017 she is hospitalized twice in the same week yeah uh same shit she's checked out and then checked in again two days later uh she wrote on facebook that she passed out and fell and posted photos showing various bruises all over her and blood in her hair and shit like that. She wrote on Twitter that she was having a fucking โ€“ a horrible fucking day.
Starting point is 02:51:11 And then on her Facebook page, she wrote about just this whole thing. This is awesome. You probably saw this on Twitter and you're like, oh, how bad was that day? Go to Facebook. Tell me more, Tammy. So then she explains just about her dating problems and everything else now on Facebook.
Starting point is 02:51:31 She says, quote, why is it that when I meet a normal guy and we're getting along great, he disappears all of a sudden with no warning. He must find out what I do for a living and that's just so judgmental and sucky. Fuck you then. I don't need you. So just now on my way to the gym, I stopped for a sandwich because I'm starving. Some guy who recognized me took it upon himself to sit down at my table, start talking to me, and long story short, offered me money for sex.
Starting point is 02:51:56 When will you assholes realize I'm not a fucking escort or a hooker? Fuck you all. If you just log on to my site and give me money there, I'll finger myself for you there. But not with you in the room. That is where I draw the line. I'm not a hooker. I am a โ€“ no. I'm a respected sex worker.
Starting point is 02:52:15 I'm a respected sex worker who yells at people while she's got two fingers in her. This is fucking amazing. She offers at this point Skype shows to her followers for a fee, obviously. Of course. Yeah. So, wow. So on Monday, June 26th of that year, by the way, she posted on Facebook. She was in the hospital then and posted,
Starting point is 02:52:42 Who is near Stony Brook who can come sign me out, get me out of here now? No one cares about me. She's attacking Facebook followers to come get her. Out of the hospital. Out of the fucking loon bin. This has gotten bad. Most downloaded person. Wow.
Starting point is 02:53:04 Best buns. Fuck, man. Wow. Best buns. Fuck, man. Shit has, wow. Holy fuck, this is amazing. Best buns to craziest buns. This is the best story yet. Fuck, man. So now she's not happy with the WWE after this.
Starting point is 02:53:17 She says that her rehab, WWE-sponsored rehab, was only done to make Linda McMahon look good in her failed Senate bid in 2016. But once the race was over, she was transferred to rehab in less than stellar conditions. She says that they moved her to a cheaper facility in an effort to slash costs. The first treatment center cost them about $1,000 a day. But the one she was put in after the election was about 90% cheaper, she says. She said that WWE helped her get released from jail and into the first treatment center. Shortly after that, after she lost the election, she said that she was transferred from the Posh facility into a cheaper center.
Starting point is 02:53:58 Okay. Yes. You're still in a center offering you free help. Yes. Well, she then said that she had horrors that she endured at the center. She said she was made to wash dishes nonstop for 17 hours a day for a whole week and had a glass thrown at her face by another patient. When she complained to someone at WWE about the appalling conditions, hoping to be put
Starting point is 02:54:20 into a better establishment, they brought up how they had spent well over six figures to get Scott Hall out of rehab 12 times, by the way. Apparently, they told her on the phone, quote, well, you're not Scott Hall. Oh. So, yeah. Also, how many dishes do they have? Dude. The 17 hours of dishes.
Starting point is 02:54:40 Of nonstop dishes. Stop it. Were they just bringing out saucers? Right. We brought your dinner out. Instead of one plate, we brought it in nine saucers. We thought you'd like it better that way. Were they like, take the dishes she just washed and just like throw shit on them and then
Starting point is 02:54:53 put them back up there? Put them right back in there. What is she talking about? There's not that many people in these places that there's 17 hours a day. No shit. It's bananas. It's bananas. So this, though, comes, we'll talk about Vince McMahon
Starting point is 02:55:05 privately told congressional investigators in 2007 about this. He said, quote, two words, public relations. That's it. I do not feel any sense of responsibility for anyone or whatever their age of whatever their age is who has passed along
Starting point is 02:55:22 these bad habits or overdoses for drugs. Sorry, I don't feel any responsibility for that. Nonetheless, that's why we're sending the letter. It's a magnanimous gesture. You're a cunt, sir. You are a fucking asshole. Especially, especially. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 02:55:36 Now is different because now they do take a lot better care of these guys because they fucking have to because it's all under a microscope. Now, when did he say that? He said this in 2007. That's not that long ago. And he's talking about guys that were in the 80s and 90s. These guys were on the road 300 plus days a fucking year. Feels no responsibility. And he's telling him he's telling him shit like I'd like to see your arms a little bigger
Starting point is 02:55:56 and shit like that. Like, in other words, I'd like you to take some steroids now and shit like that. And if you don't show up, you don't get paid. And we really need you for that 80-second straight day. So you take some fucking pills for that shit. We've gone over the whole thing with Jake the Snake. And now this asshole is going to say that. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 02:56:12 You silver-haired cocksucker. Truly. He is silver-haired, middle-aged, white man number one, Vince McMahon. He really is. He really fucking is. I have a feeling we won't be getting any public social media love from our WWE friend that we have. He's going to have to hide his love for us now, I feel like. Both of them.
Starting point is 02:56:31 Both of them, yeah. So โ€“ We won't say your names. No. We love you. No, we never do that shit. We're down, dude. It's all good.
Starting point is 02:56:39 We got you. August 22, 2017, a petition is filed before the court requesting that the judge revoke her parole. Yeah. A bench warrant is issued for her arrest the following day. They're unable to serve the warrant, though. They can't find her in Pennsylvania, even though she's been making independent bookings, wrestling bookings, signing appearances all over the U.S. They can't find her. And they can't find her.
Starting point is 02:57:03 So, September 2017, what else is there to do when you're at rock bottom? You have no place else to go. And this isn't get married either, Jimmy. You have rock bottom. You have no place worse than the church. Oh, boy. You start a podcast. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:57:16 She announces on Twitter. She has a podcast. She's starting a podcast. I don't think it actually happened anymore. But she announced September 2017. She's recording my podcast today. So, yeah, she's got a lot to talk about.
Starting point is 02:57:29 I feel like that got interrupted when a fifth of Bacardi showed up. Probably, I would imagine so. Never mind. Cancel that. She flipped all the power on, checked the mic, and then somebody knocks on the door. Hey, I got a pint for you. Oh, never mind. Turn this shit off. See ya. January 23rd. She had a story to tell. She had wow. Turn this shit off. See ya. January 23rd.
Starting point is 02:57:45 She had a story to tell. She had definitely had a story to tell. January 23rd, 2018, DUI again. Arrested for a fucking another DUI. Oh, boy. It's 8.53 p.m. That happens. That's January 23rd.
Starting point is 02:57:58 February 2nd, she crashes her car at 8.52 a.m. and is charged with fleeing the scene of an accident. And when they caught up to her, they also found out she was drunk, too, and they charged her with DUI. So DUI and leaving the scene of an accident here. No excuse. Uber is so much cheaper. So much cheaper.
Starting point is 02:58:17 Maybe not for her. Good point. Some point in the last two years, she posted a pic on her phone that she fucked Dolph Ziggler, the wrestler and now comedian. Yeah. And a picture of him in bed. Oh, no. Saying that she fucked him. And she said she fucked him.
Starting point is 02:58:34 And he finally said, yeah, yeah, I did fuck her. Oh, Dolph, what'd you do? Oh, it definitely happened. It definitely happened. What the fuck? She said, we have a quote about her. She said, quote, and it was literally like a marathon. Just seven hours of insanity.
Starting point is 02:58:44 I lost nine extensions out of my hair. Jesus. Hair was being thrown in every which way. There was like hair extensions laid out all over the place. It was seven hours. It was pretty insane. So then I just had to go. I had a 9.30 flight and I didn't get any
Starting point is 02:59:00 sleep so I just took a shower, packed my bags and told him, you're tired. You have a concussion. Just stay here and get some rest. So that's when he fell asleep. I took the picture, and then I went to the airport. Wow. And so she posted that on social media, which a lot of people had a problem with. Oh, sure.
Starting point is 02:59:13 It was like, hey, motherfucker, don't do that. Don't blow up people's spots. Amy Schumer dated him, and she publicly said that she stopped dating him because the sex was way too rough. Apparently, that's the truth. Knock your hair extensions out. How hard do you have to fuck someone to make a hair extension pop out of your head? I mean, pop right out.
Starting point is 02:59:33 I'm not thinking he was pulling. I thought it was just, they were boink, boink, jumping out. Nine hours of doggy and they're just banging. Bing, bing, bing, leaping out of her hair. Running for fear of the... You know when your hair on your neck stands up when you're nervous or scared or excited? That's what happens to your extensions when you find Dolph Ziggler. That's what happens.
Starting point is 02:59:54 God damn. Jesus. March 1, 2018, she's arrested on fugitive warrants for failure to appear in court. Initial charge here, it's in Aberdeen Township failure to appear and in Knowlton Township failure to appear. She was held for the fugitive warrant here. The Aberdeen, New Jersey Police Department took her into custody and then they were going to extradite her ass out to Pennsylvania, which they did.
Starting point is 03:00:21 March 31st, they had a hearing on the requested revocation of her parole in Carbon County Court. Here, she is processed. It's contempt, disobedience, and resisting arrest in New Jersey. That's what she was arrested for to get to here. Is she still โ€“ is she overweight still? Is that what's going on? I don't think so. Okay, she lost it all. I'm not sure right this minute because I feel like it's โ€“ I'm not sure. I'm just wondering if โ€“ because Dolph banged Amy.
Starting point is 03:00:49 Is he into bigger girls? Is that his thing? Maybe. Blonde girls. He's got a type. Yeah. So just a blonde and, you know, a certain age, I guess. 10, 20 extra pounds on him.
Starting point is 03:00:57 He's into it. She's probably younger than Amy. She's older than Amy Schumer. Oh, way older. Yeah. So a bench warrant was issued for her arrest, and they found out that she was a fugitive from Pennsylvania, so they ship her ass over there. And right now, she is awaiting court proceedings for that.
Starting point is 03:01:15 I think she has aโ€”I think it's July. She has another hearing or the beginning of August. So she's still in the air. She might end up in prison. She's facing five years, I believe, in prison. And she's in the wind right now. She's in the system right now. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 03:01:28 She's out there. Oh, boy. We'll see what happens. This is going to be an ongoing story. We'll be updating you on it. Oh, fantastic. But it's a crazy one, a wild-ass story. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 03:01:37 Can't get enough of Sunny Tammy Sitch? Well, let's see here. You can check her out. She's got a Boobpedia page. A what? Boobpedia. Who did that? It is Wikipedia, but instead of the picture being just a regular picture, it's a topless
Starting point is 03:01:53 picture. That's exactly on the upper right hand corner. Everything else is the same. Boobpedia. Stupid. Stupid. And somebody's making money off that. You can recall them stupid. There is a change.org petition to remove her from the WWE Hall of Fame. Aw. Calm the fuck down.
Starting point is 03:02:12 Ridiculous. First of all, there is a lot better shit to petition for. Yeah. Let's get teachers paid more. Let's get this. There's a shitload of things we could petition for. Yeah. That are way more important than this.
Starting point is 03:02:23 And second of all, do you know some of the people that are in the WWE Hall of Fame? Horrible people. There are criminals and rapists and fucking horrible people. Is Snooka in there? I don't think he is, actually. I'm sure he is. I think they've kept him out because of the old, you know, old folly, folly, bleedy, bleedy thing that happened.
Starting point is 03:02:44 Yeah. Some rumors. Some rumors that go around of a bleedy, bleedy thing that happened. Yeah. Some rumors. Some rumors that go around of a dead woman. I'll check if he's in. But every one of their drug addicts. There's a ton of bad people in the WWE Hall of Fame. WWE Hall of Famer, Jimmy Superboy Snuka. Snuka, there you go.
Starting point is 03:02:57 He fucking killed a woman. Episode five. Go back and look. Jesus Christ almighty. You want to fuck. Where's your petition for that asshole? Yeah, get that one out. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:03:04 Yeah. So their things here is they're just saying that she's been arrested. They have a list of this is why she's been arrested so many. They're saying she's not holding up her end of being like a representative of the company. She's a mess. She's a problem. She's got problems. Leave her alone.
Starting point is 03:03:20 She's fucking, they said, talking about all of her arrests, they said she's been involved in numerous other questionable activities, including but not limited to taking photos in bed with fans at conventions and charging $50 to $100 for nude 10-minute Skype chats with fans encouraging them to do whatever they want. It's only $50? $50 to $100. That's for her to be nude and
Starting point is 03:03:40 you to jerk off if you want, but her not to touch herself. I'm in. I'll pay it. They're talking about her drug problem. Yeah, like every fucking buddy else in the Hall of Fame. And Shawn Michaels is in there. The worst drug problem of anybody ever. Wow. Also, she's antagonized numerous current and former other female
Starting point is 03:03:55 wrestlers also, so you can't have that. She's just been a horrible person. So that's that. Also, more things. All sorts of pics with her and her boobs and signed pictures of her boobs and her in bikinis and all that shit. She had good boobs. She did. Amazon.com.
Starting point is 03:04:10 You can get a Sunny figure, which is pretty fucking badass. Sunny figure. It's like $46.98 plus $4.99 shipping. Must be a rare one. Does it come with a fucking pint of Bacardi? I believe it comes with a pint of Bacardi and a free half-hour Skype session. I believe it comes with a pint of Bacardi and a free half-hour Skype session. I believe it comes with that. And also,
Starting point is 03:04:28 finally, Amazon.com. You can get her book, A Star Shattered, The Rise and Fall and Rise of a Wrestling Diva, which I actually paid for. Really? Well, yeah. I had to research, so I had to actually buy this. It's like $9.99 or some shit if you buy it on Kindle. That's what I did.
Starting point is 03:04:43 That is Tammy Lynn Sitch, Sunny, whatever the fuck you want to call her, of the WWE. What a goddamn disaster. Truly. If you enjoyed that story, please, please let us know about it by going over to iTunes and giving us five stars. Just say you're following instructions, following directions. It really doesn't matter what you say. You can also do even more than that.
Starting point is 03:05:03 You can be a producer, which is basically a superstar, a Hall of Famer in our minds, a CIS Hall of Famer you can be, which is way more prestigious than the WWE Hall of Fame. You can do that and get a great shout out from us and we'll talk about you by going to patreon.com
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Starting point is 03:05:35 at smalltownmurder on Instagram. That's smalltownmurder. Yeah, at smalltownmurder on Instagram. We put up shit for both on there. And that's that. And without further ado, we have to get to this list because it's awesome. The list of the most wonderful people ever.
Starting point is 03:05:48 Jimmy, I would like a list right now. Thank you. Executive producers this week are Barbara Lay, Meg Smith, Rachel Flaherty, Lane Andrew Henderson, Clinton Grout, Katie Heisel, Shawna Rogers. Oh, no, it's Barbara. Damn it. Barbara Johnson, Savannah Briand. That's what I knew.
Starting point is 03:06:05 Barbara Johnson's the easiest name you can get. That sounds made up. That sounds like. Thank you all so much for being above and beyond helpful. You guys are amazing. Honestly. Sydney Abraham went and donated on Patreon and on PayPal. And then Dorothea Horn did that.
Starting point is 03:06:20 And Stephen Crumley. Thank you guys so, so much. We appreciate it so much. Thank you. Really. Jesse Hartman. Thank you guys so, so much. We appreciate it so much. Thank you, really. Jesse Hartman, Ted Cyrus, James Feeder, Shante Wright, Jessica Sridhar. No, I'm never getting that. Jimmy's tongue came out of his mouth and hung limply for half a second like it gave up. I like hung limply for half a second.
Starting point is 03:06:43 Like it gave up. Carly Conroy, Tom Gallagher, Taylor Chaney, Richard Basantes, Brian Potter, Rosanna Wagner, Nathan Baggett. Yes. No. Nothing. Not going to do it. Paul Roost, thanks, man. I appreciate you. Thanks, Paul.
Starting point is 03:06:58 And we're thinking about your little guy. Definitely. Luke Rogers, Under the Sea Fabrics, Lisa Coltrane, Connie Young, Ariah Strauss, Brett Welch, Michelle Jolly, Jane Richards, Alicia Adams, or Alikia. We're going to go with Alicia, I'm going to say. There's a Y in there. I don't think it's Alikia. That's what I'm telling you. I don't think it's Alikia.
Starting point is 03:07:17 Ooh, she's a pretty little baby. Let's name her Alikia. That's what it looks like. Reverend Dr. John Kardash. I don't think he's a reverend nor a doctor. He's a reverend and a doctor. My, my. That's a it looks like. Reverend Dr. John Kardash. I don't think he's a reverend nor a doctor. He's a reverend and a doctor. My, my. That's a lot of titles.
Starting point is 03:07:28 Tara Nance. Shalima Althus. Or Alta? Althaus? I'm not sure. Gotta get that guy a law degree. It was Tech Esquire on the end of it, and we'll really fucking do something. Gracie's mum.
Starting point is 03:07:39 Ken Fouts. Sinfully delightful clean eating. Jess Landgren in Australia. Matthew Dietrich also donated on both. Thanks, man. Thank you very much, Matthew. Tabitha Beyer. Andrew Duplis.
Starting point is 03:07:52 Dubois? No. It's D-U-P-U-I-S. Duplis. Duplis. I think so. All right. I'll take it.
Starting point is 03:07:58 Chad Mitchell. Emma Engblom. Okay. It's possible. Jake LeBeer sticking around. Thank you, Jake. Engbloom. Okay. It's possible. Jake Labier, sticking around. Thank you, Jake. Thanks, man. Nikki Cofill.
Starting point is 03:08:07 Denise Bray. Barbara Felker. Mariah May here. Oh, Mariah over there in the Netherlands. That's the one. You got it. I got the right country. I waited for you.
Starting point is 03:08:16 I saw you blank out going, fuck, is she in Sweden? Where is she? I always get it wrong. I only know that because my wife just sent her a t-shirt. Oh, very nice. In the Netherlands. There you go. That'll make it easier. Kate Myers. Oliver because my wife just sent her a t-shirt. Oh, very nice. There you go. That'll make it easier.
Starting point is 03:08:25 Kate Myers, Oliver Thomas, Heather Chamness, Shandell Whitney. She's the one with the daughter that serves. Oh, cool. I always remember that. Andrea Kalkins, Andre Bouchard, Kayla Parker, Emma Chappelle Hedges. That's it. Elizabeth Estabrook, Seth Kuehl, Alicia. No, it's Ashley. Damn it.
Starting point is 03:08:46 You had Alicia on your mind. Ashley Lewis, Maggie L, John Leggett. Nope. Moving on. Jennifer Proven, Andrew Ballard, or Ballard? Ballard. Ballard. No, it's Eric Ballard. I said Andrew, didn't I? Yeah, you did. Definitely. I have Andrew.
Starting point is 03:09:01 Kelly Green, Becca and Felix. No last name. Mackenzie Bolin. Kyle Anderson. Bumble Bumble Butt Podcast. I don't know who I'm โ€“ I haven't heard of it. I don't know. Me neither.
Starting point is 03:09:13 Annie Shock, who sent us the Washington State Penitentiary shirts. Thank you, Annie. Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks. Deb O'Donnell. Delissa. Delissa. Taffy โ€“ oh, no.
Starting point is 03:09:21 Taylor Matthew. That's it. Taylor Matthew. Yes. And he's a college dude that listens to the show. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks that's it. Taylor Matthew, yes. And he's a college dude that listens to the show. Thanks, Taylor. Corey Preda, M. Turner, Sarah McGreal, McGreal.
Starting point is 03:09:34 Donna, fuck. Don Wankura, Wankura, I think. Wankura. Right. Carly Edwards, Tess Fahey. That sounds like some shit a magician says when his thing works. And when cure-a-pow! Or when it doesn't work. Or when it doesn't work.
Starting point is 03:09:49 Shit! Followed by, God damn it, his wife hears that from the basement all day long. Hey, I ain't cure-a-fuck! Never mind. Tenley Cotton, Zach Oberg, he's the mailman up in, fuck, I forget where. He's got a dog named Lundy, and he sends me pictures of people send fucking bees in the mail. Do you know that? Yeah, I've heard that.
Starting point is 03:10:09 Do you know you can do that? That's fucking horrible. That's insanity, man. They need to stop that. Stephanie Myers, James Fraker, Barbara John-Leigh. Barbara and John-Leigh, I think. No, John-Leigh was a hyphenated one. That's what it was.
Starting point is 03:10:21 Ah, I got you. Anthony Duggan, Melissa Schmaltz, Faye Baby Designs. Not going. Not going to say anything about it. I don't know. Faye? Thank you, Faye Baby Designs. Faye Baby Designs. You're terrific. Bear Burns, Lori Peet or Piet? I think it's Peet, right?
Starting point is 03:10:38 P-I-E-T-T? I think so. Yeah, I'm going to double T. Kelly Walsh. Yes, you're right. Laura Shinoski. Cynthia Munford. There's too many N's. There's only two of them. N's and N's.
Starting point is 03:10:52 It's too much. Christine Sandberg. You broke Jimmy. Lily Harley. Aislinn. Aislinn Dennis. Daphne Hedger. And then home stretch.
Starting point is 03:11:00 Heather Walter. Bill Sh... Bill's... Fuck. Bill Sazinski. Yes. Sy Zinski. I thought you were going to say Suzuki for a second. Home Stretch, Heather Walter, Bill Szczynski, Caleb Crowley, Casey Lane, Nicole Wilson, Rihanna Harmer, Trini Martinez, Jessica Morgan, Chris Bakey, Zach Cornell, Amanda Turner, and Chrissy Ann Costaldi. You guys are fucking amazing. Thank youaldi. You guys are fucking amazing.
Starting point is 03:11:26 Thank you so much. You guys are the shit. Thank you, everybody, so much. Truly, truly, you really do. And we'll have more behind-the-scenes information in the coming weeks, but you really do keep this thing going along. It's great. So thank you so much for everything you do for us. We really, really appreciate it so much, and we love doing this.
Starting point is 03:11:45 And this was a lot of fun. It was. Jesus. It was crazy with us today. Fucking intense. We hope you had as much fun. And what if someone wanted to tell you how much fun they had, Jimmy? How can they do that?
Starting point is 03:11:53 You can find me at Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Let me know how many extensions you lose. Yeah, definitely. That's the sign ofโ€” I'm blown away by that. How good was the sex? How many extensions came out? That's like the... You can get a hold of me at
Starting point is 03:12:09 JimmyPIsFunny or just copy and paste my last name. Don't be a hero and try to spell it because you're going to fuck it up. That said, guys, we will be back always because this is a lot of fun and we can't wait to come back next week live from the Crime and Sports Studios. We will see you next week live from the Crime and Sports studios. We will see you next week.
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