Crime in Sports - #127 - The Escalator To Failure - The Abruptness of Darryl Henley

Episode Date: August 6, 2018

This week, we navigate through a story that includes cocaine, heroin, cheerleaders, gangsters, potential hit men, and much more! He started out in a great family, went to great schools, and lived his dream. So, of course, that meant he had to figure out some way to screw it all up, and he did that with incredible vigor, and swiftness. Check out the remnants of a once great life, destroyed by stupidity! Hilarious!Come from a fantastic family, set up a cheerleader to commit federal crime, and contract strangers to kill a judge with Darryl Henley!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Wild case last week, obviously. We've had a run of weirdos lately. And last week, no exception, as always. And this week we have just a strange, odd story. It's an inverted olden Polonese, I'm going to call this. Olden Polonese. It's an olden Polonese scheme? Yeah, it's a Polonese scheme.

We're going to turn this triangle upside down, this pyramid. He's the first one to block me on Twitter, which is fascinating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was blocking everybody this week. It took us forever to get blocked by somebody. He cared. Whenever anybody would tweet it at him, he'd say, laugh out loud. But he wouldn't say LOL.

He'd say, laugh out loud. He spelled it the fuck out. I felt like that meant he was angry. I feel like if you spell it out, it means you're not laughing, really. You're actually upset about something. So, sorry, old Impala niece, but I don't know. You did it. I don't know.

I'm really impressed by you because the famous ones are fun, obviously, because everybody knows who they are. Yeah, the super famous ones. But the ones that I kind of know who they are, they're on the periphery, and then I find out. You've heard of them? Right. I had so many of that dude's cars. Oh, seeing his face when i was a kid i didn't know

he's like a vernon maxwell or like a hammer yeah i like that yeah oh those are my favorite cases the ones where you're like i remember that guy sort of right holy shit he was an asshole i didn't have any idea mushed his wife's face into a wall what the fuck this is messed up he pulled a gun on somebody this is on his girlfriend in her driveway. This is just getting wild. He's telling people he's a cop and he's not a cop. Officer Polonise. We appreciate that.

He could have you arrested. And according to him, it's not true. It's what he tells multiple people last week. But he had this story where he started out, had such a hard life and everything was so difficult and the family life was difficult. And he he had this these problems up front where he got in trouble challenges health and then also in the beginning of his career he would say it's when all his legal problems happened and then there was a point where he stopped getting in trouble right and then from then on it was all

positive and it was all helping people in haiti and it was like you know goodwill ambassador to this and that like he became the last 15 years of Polonise's life have been completely different than the 15 years we talked about previous to that. This is the opposite. Oh, this is a guy. Squeaky clean. Leave it to Beaver. Oh, and just out of nowhere, he makes the dumbest decision you could make. And then on top of that, he compounds that by making a mind-bogglingly

idiotic decision that makes it even worse it's insane it's the weirdest thing i this is a guy where it's like a lot of the guys i feel bad for i don't feel bad for this like a little bit i feel a little bit bad for the way it went down in the end and we'll talk about that but i don't feel bad for him for the fact that he had no need to do this whatsoever what he did no need to just him being like shrugging his shoulders and being like I think I'll be an asshole tonight that's the only thing

it was he didn't he didn't have a bad environment where he didn't have any good he had none of that he everything was it to his advantage by the way also at the end of the show if we have time I've had I've got a lot of messages in the last few weeks asking for just tidbits of more Rod Beck stories. Oh, that's awesome. A bunch of people have been messaging me.

Hey, can you throw out some stories? So if we have time at the end, I'll just throw out a few Rod-isms for some fun stuff from his playing days he told me about and some good little personal quirks you guys might enjoy. I should start just like in the middle of a conversation when you're like, you know, Rod. And I'll be like, hold on, and just start recording. And then send you the clip and you put it on your Facebook page. It's true. I should do that. I get asked about it all the time. You tell me stories all the time.

Oh, because he's a great, entertaining, awesome dude and just a fun guy to hang out with. So hopefully we'll get to that at the end of the show. But let's get to this first. to hang out with so hopefully we'll get to that at the end of the show but let's get to this first uh let's let's go all the way back to october 30th 1966 when uh the birthday of a fine gentleman named daryl keith henley daryl henley is what he goes by you may know him he played in the nfl uh for five years oh and uh yeah big standout at ucla the whole deal we'll talk about but got past the average. That's great. He got past the average.

The reason why he wasn't playing football anymore wasn't because he couldn't play football anymore. It was because he was in prison. He was unable to play football. He was unavailable for games. Somebody's unable. He's unavailable. He's unavailable. Yeah, he was able.

He was willing to run around and go after footballs. That's no problem. He had that covered. But he had to do it from a federal penitentiary in another state would have been the issue i think that they had a problem with on you know the nfl likes you to be able to be there for the game a reasonable distance from the practice facility you can't skype into an nfl game and be like i'll cover you know that receiver that's not how this shit works exactly not at all stuff to get the playbook on snapchat it really is you can't figure it's very small you keep expanding the window and then

it's no good you know the screenshots you know they can't do that so then you're really screwed and then they disappear and then they disappear you're like what was that play again fuck it's fucking gone i should have took a screenshot oh never mind god damn it and then you know and then i if i take a screenshot i look like a a jerk. Yeah, you look like an asshole. I look like I'm showing people what you sent me. The coaches are like, he's saving that. He's sending that to Belichick for sure. He's so sending that to the Raiders, it's not even funny.

I know it. The game plan is blown. See, this stuff was so much easier before all that. Well, 1965, it was a lot different. July of 1965 is when Thomas Henley Jr., who is his father, and he is... Wait, he's a third? No, no, no. The word Daryl Henley is our guy.

Oh, okay, got it. Daryl Henley's father is a Thomas Henley Jr. He's a junior. He's a junior. Good for him for breaking the cycle, but... He didn't break the cycle. He didn't break the cycle. Because, we'll talk about it, but Dryl has an older brother named Thomas III.

That's why. That's why right there. He was just not the oldest. Otherwise, just for a mishap of sperm, he would have been Thomas III and we would have had a junior's junior here. But we don't. But we don't. So that was his older brother. And his older brother played in the NFL, too.

Really? Yeah, briefly in the NFL. He had injury problems, but his older brother's a great player also. And his younger brother was his older brother. And his older brother played in the NFL, too. Really? Yeah, briefly in the NFL. He had injury problems. But his older brother's a great player also. And his younger brother was a good player. The father's a coach. We'll get into it here. The father, Thomas Henley Jr.

We'll talk a little bit about him to kind of set the stage of how this family operates. Because it's so important to set the back story here. And I've got to thank, there's a book called intercepted uh by a guy named michael mcknight he's a writer a sports writer and he's written books for a lot of people yeah he's he wrote this book called intercepted about this whole thing and it's a for a book about a criminal athlete and their life like normally that's like a 200 page book this is like a 550 page book like he went up this story's ass with a microscope and really worked it out and i got a lot of the just early life details uh from that book the all the rest of the shit like the legal

shit i kind of if there was a thought or something i take it from the book but otherwise i kind of just took it from uh because that was written with daryl so that's that's to me a source more personal yeah but it's not a non-corroborated source if it's a book from that person i try not to i try not to i try not to give out facts based on what they say i try to have facts exactly so i mean michael mcknight though he he tries to play it fair but he also is writing the book with daryl so it's it's not his fault it's just i try to use more facts from the outside for that but the beginning part's a lot out of that and he did a really good job with this book it's an excellent piece of work.

As a dummy, somebody that doesn't generally read, I would go the opposite if I didn't, because I don't have any forethought. I'd be like, oh, this is clearly the right story. It's coming from the guy. It's coming from this guy. He was there.

It happened. But I forget that criminals, you know, they fucking lie. You know, people, and people always, not even criminals,

everybody lies to me. You embellish a story. Especially if you're talking about something that was 10 years ago you skew a fact even 10 this way to yourself and then over time that becomes 50 skewed and then it's even more skewed and over time you start believing even more that's true that's why we put music over in their own words because it's like take it for what it is this is melodrama coming from them and self-serving and that was the whole whole point. It started out with Lawrence Phillips in prison sending self-serving messages. I was like, oh, you know, this really needs some sappy piano music because this is ridiculous.

And 500 pages. That's a big book. It's a fucking book. He discovered it. Yeah. He went so deep in his ass. He discovered a new like deep water squid or something. I had to read a 500 page book this week.

In addition to finding the rest of all the shit and then doing small town murder also so this was a fire this was a rough research week this week so uh patreon.com slash crime and sports and enjoy this please pay me that i read you made me read all week i'd like money for that please because i didn't want to read this book all week but it was a really good book anyway okay his his father, Thomas Henley Jr., is from Texas. He grew up just outside Waco, Texas. He was a four-year letterman at West High School in football. He was a pretty good athlete.

And he graduates from Waco. He has opportunities. He has a football scholarship offer at Prairie View A&M. So this isn't this is a good deal here. This is his dad. This is his dad in the in the early 60s, late 50s or early 60s here. He's got, you know, he's from Texas. He's from a rural area. Texas lifestyle. Yeah, it's tough, especially in that light. And these people are black, too, mind you. So anything we say 60s, you got to put into perspective of black in Texas in the 60s. It's a completely different experience.

So, you know, he has a chance to go to college, which is fantastic for him. But he finds out right after he graduates that his girlfriend, Dorothy, is pregnant. Oh, no. This is going to be Thomas III here. May as well get a junior out of this fucking ruin in my life shit. If my life's going to be destroyed, might as well have a namesake. Let's do that. Might as well be able to go, come on, little Thomas, move your ass.

Your turn, buddy. Yeah, that's it. Maybe I could just blame him later because we have the same name. Maybe I could put some bills in his name. For sure. This is going to work out. So this guy, though though he was a really upstanding cat this thomas henley real upstand is through his whole life these people are

upstanding good these are like the cosbys but the tv show the cosbys where no one's raped got it you know what i mean like without money though without money but otherwise they raise their kids strict they have rules but they're loving and caring and they don't beat them. And they're generally just as good a parents as you can get for back then. So there Thomas feels a sense that he needs to marry Dorothy and all of that. So he needs to get a job, too, if he's going to have a baby. Right. Playing football for Prairie View A&M probably isn't going to pay the bills. So he decides.

Not his bills. Not his bills. He'll pay somebody else's bills. Someone else's bills. Yeah. Not his bills. Exactly. Not his and hers. hers thomas and theirs it's not buying diapers no it's not buying diapers for somebody else yeah exactly so he marries dorothy yeah and uh they didn't know what to do there was not a lot of work around there he was from there and he was going to go

to college but there's not a lot of work so in the 60s what a lot of people did there was california's had rushes over time you know you got the 1840s gold rush you have the uh the world war ii rush when everybody went out there and especially a lot of minorities went there because there was federal jobs that didn't give a shit what color you were and uh you go get a good job in one of these factories you know war making war material and you're you're set then so uh then the hate ashbury district rush where everybody was that murder movie star that was that yeah there was the hippie rush but that was just a segment of white children out there from suburban homes trying to get away from their parents who didn't want them to do lsd yeah just i i'm gonna

go i'd like to be it's worth it to me right to be barefoot for months right just to do acid being fucked by everybody fucked by everybody everybody i just can't take to be barefoot for months just to do acid. Being fucked by everybody, mind you. Being fucked by everybody. Everybody. I just can't take not having shoes on for months. That seems like the most uncomfortable, horrible thing ever, especially in a city. Good Lord. And the clothes were ugly, but that was a time period, too.

It was the shower scene. I don't do that. I can't do that. If there was a different hygiene perspective, I could see doing it. If you had a shower, someplace you could go, proper footwear, that sort of thing, I could see it would be fun. Dress made of hemp, at least scrubbed down. It'd be a lot of fun, I would think, to go around, hang out, fuck everybody, and do acid. When you're 18, that sounds great.

Fuck that person, take a shower. Fuck another person, Take a shower. Fuck another person. That's the thing. Take a shower. And I feel like they skipped that very important part of it. That's a very integral detail that they forgot. Definitely. Like the Donner party for getting food.

Yeah. That's very important. Did we not? Fuck winter. What the fuck? Shit. I forgot about winter. Little Timmy, you look appetizing.

When it gets cold out, go away and then we don't damn it well who's the fattest one here let's look around who's the fattest that's the thing yeah when you're in any kind of long trip you don't want to be the fattest one because you never know if she could fall apart at any moment that should be anybody's motivation to to be in shape is just you're not i don't want to be the fat guy that everybody eats that's true unless you're suicidal and then if you want to hang yourself you got to make sure to be in shape is just, I don't want to be the fat guy that everybody eats. That's true. Unless you're suicidal. And then if you want to hang yourself, you got to make sure to be hefty. Otherwise you're going to choke.

You need to, I always said, if I'm going to hang myself, I got to bulk up. Yeah. Do you ever see me like really bulking up and being like, I'm trying to put on weight. I'm planning on hanging myself. That's all there is to it. I'm bulking up to hang myself. So my neck will snap nice and clean. So worry about me.

If you ever see me just shoveling food into my mouth like a lunatic. And at the very strong rope store. Yeah, the very strong. Nope, that one won't do. I've been putting on weight. I'm going to need a few threads stronger. If you've got anything in a tow chain, I might be able to fashion into a noose. He hasn't got any winches around here.

I really want this to work. Hold on. I've got to get an engineer. I'm going gonna set up a complicated pulley system i'll be back i'll be back in a week i need a plan i need steel braided wire put a couple more pounds on too i'm not feeling quite heavy enough right now a toe chain that's fucking great so uh in the 60s though this was another one of these times where a lot of black people went out there to find work and they were coming from the south coming from the midwest coming from texas and places like that because there was a lot of jobs people went out there to find work. They were coming from the South, coming from the Midwest, coming from Texas and places

like that because there was a lot of jobs out in California. California was booming. So he came out there. He comes out by himself originally, leaves Dorothy there because he has no money. He has an aunt named Adela that lets him sleep in the extra room in her house in Baldwin Village, which is like uh uh it's like i think like compton watts it's a not near those aren't great it's not a good area though here uh but it's still california it's still cal it's still better than texas it's

also too this is during the civil rights era so this is there's riots like crazy in this round so you're coming from texas which is reasonably quiet and reasonably mellow. And then you're going to this where socially this shit is blowing up. And so it's a different environment for them. But he earns enough money eventually by working hard and living at his aunt's house to bring Dorothy and his son, Thomas the third mistake from Texas. So this guy,

I got to give him credit. He's not a jerk-off. No. He's a star high school football player with a scholarship offer that turns it down to marry his pregnant girlfriend. And take care of the kid. And take care of the kid. Goes out to California to earn enough money and all that. And instead of fucking around on the beach and trying to find blondes with big tits. He actually put his nose to the grindstone, made money. Black James their asses.

It's not the tits. That's true. It's the asses. Well, if you're going for blondes, it's tits. It's a good point. I don't think you're going to. It's LA. There's blonde big tits everywhere.

That's true. Maybe you're looking for the blonde with the big tits and the big ass. Well, that's, yeah. Well, that's going to be a rare. He's also looking for diamonds. That's a good point. As he steps in the street. So who knows what's going to happen?

Who knows, Jimmy? It's crazy, too, because he steps in the street. So who knows what's going to happen? Who knows, Jimmy? It's crazy, too, because he did it the hard way. When he came there, he came from Texas to L.A. on a Greyhound bus. Jesus Christ. That's like he was sucking dick in a matter of days. Days. He was just blowing people for parts and for extra rolls, for featured extra parts. The camera's going to be on me for three whole seconds?

Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. All right. Unzip yourself. What are you? That's fine. Just keep it away from my eyes.

Yeah. Just not in the eyes, please. Tell me so I can close them. A Greyhound bus from Texas to... He was blowing people out of stuckies for that pecan log before movie parts. Like that trip is so far. So far through the desert, too. In a bus.

In a bus. We did it in a car at 105 miles an hour, and it took us 14 hours. And it was depressing. Miserable. And that's to Phoenix, not to LA, too. So tack another six in a car. Never mind in a fucking Greyhound bus. That took him fucking three days.

Man, imagine that ride, too. He had to have thoughts in his head of like i could be playing football doing all this and i'm literally literally on a greyhound bus with all my worldly possessions on me yeah and then i'm gonna fucking go here and sleep in my aunt's room and hopefully make enough money to have a baby live with me this is great this has been my dream forever dream wow at 19 that's what you want from your life, I would say. So he does it, though. And he saves up some cash, and they rent a two-room apartment for the wife.

Not a two-bedroom. Not a two-bedroom. Two-room. Two-room. So it's like a one-bedroom apartment, basically, for the child and his wife and him. And they settle down. When Daryl's born in 66, they describe him as he is there. He's very joyous.

They all love him. His brothers all have very distinctly different personalities. And his older brother's kind of a studious, serious kind of a cat. And Daryl is a kind of a flamboyant, but not a dick, but not a jerk, just a real confident in himself. He's got like, he's this middle child who's just full of his older brother's a good athlete and all that. And he just looks at that and he's like, I guess we're all just great.

You know, like it's his parents are, I don't know what it is about him, but they instill a lot of confidence in him and he always has a lot of confidence. He's always smiling. He's a very happy kid, has no problems at all. He's like the chipmunks. He's like Alvin. Yeah. And his mother said he was hard to yell at, even.

He was hard to scold because he was such a happy kid. And you were like, yeah, you don't want to really break his spirit here. He seems to be happy. Daryl was always known as his mother's favorite type of thing because of his personality. They said he had, they also had a brother, Eric, later on that the parents have. The children didn't have the children themselves. The parents had them, and that's how it worked here. Biologically, that's impossible.

I mean, to have a brother with your brother is impossible. That's it, yeah. That would be very difficult anyway. Not recommended to try, obviously, either. I don't think it's going to take... And if you figure that out, you should probably for sure travel with the circus. You should travel with the circus or some sort of medical conference. I don't know.

I don't know. A university medical center to have a team look at you, I figure. Because that's amazing. It's fucking impressive. Especially children. that's amazing. It's fucking impressive. Especially children. Even more amazing. If 10-year-old little brothers can impregnate each other and have a child that turns out to be a professional football player, that's impressive, in my opinion.

And also is your brother. That's amazing. Not bad. Daryl apparently had a problem, of course, with having a little brother once his brother Eric was born, because he wasn't a baby anymore and shit like that. So there was some strifeife there but everything was fine his father got a job at western union and uh they got out of south central at this point and they move uh to a place called duarte do you know where that is i've never heard i've seen the sign yeah i don't know where it is

where the fuck it is but they it's up near baker's it's in the san gabriel valley an hour north of watts they said okay so it's close to it's close to la yeah it's it's up near Bakersfield. It's in the San Gabriel Valley, an hour north of Watts, they said. Okay, so it's close to Bakersfield. It's close to LA, yeah. It's commuting distance to everything. It's probably on the way to Bakersfield. Yeah, it's probably, for a 1,500-square-foot house, it's probably $3 million to live there at this point in time. But this was kind of a working-class place. Nothing fancy, but better than where they came from.

He just keeps moving. His family steps up as he can step them up. This is an amazing guy, honestly. It's a life. Not guy to family in general, because the mother's working to those whole time. She's always working. Dorothy, he's always working. They're very hardworking people.

It is depressing that this is maybe the first story in 127 episodes where that is a fact. Well, we've had some. in 127 episodes where that is a fact. Well, we've had some. Olden Polonese's family worked hard too, but they were super strict on the boys and didn't let them do shit. This seems like an environment

cultivating happiness and enriching the boys and encouraging them to do better. We've often said, and this is a question we've raised many times, is it better for these athletes' fathers who are usually assholes to stick around and beat the holy shit out of anybody that they can reach is a question we've raised many times. Is it better for these athletes' fathers, who are usually assholes,

to stick around and beat the holy shit out of anybody that they can reach, or to just leave? Which is actually better, and we haven't figured it out, but it seems to be shitty both ways. I think we have found it today, and it is, don't do either of those. Yeah.

Well, out of the bad ones. Because we have, like, Art Schliester, whose dad was very involved in his shit, but he also, like like ruined his life at the same time helped ruin and destroy him so it was like that's a bad father who's paying too much attention so this is this is the first this is probably the best family we've had so far and there's been a few that were pretty good but this is a damn good one this is fucking amazing though for the father to already in in the first 10 minutes of the story give up on everything that

he ever wanted just for his family just for them just no problem it's amazing he says uh the daryl says about this time he says the place they moved quote everybody on that whole street man they liked each other and everybody in that neighborhood knew th and th's son uh so that's that's thomas henley everybody called him th apparently uh for some reason i don't know why tom is very easy some reason. I don't know why. Tom is very easy. Tom's easy. I don't know why we're doing T.H. It's more syllables for T.H. This is ridiculous.

Fuck it, he's T.H. Maybe there was already another Tom. Maybe. I have no idea. Fuck who knows. A guy named Chris Hale who was coached by him and Pop Warner because his father becomes a football coach too in addition to his working all the time. He's also a football coach and a very, very good one.

Really? Youth football coach. There's tons of kids that still remember this guy as the guy that shaped their life. A guy who played for him named Chris Hale who would play in two Super Bowls

later on. Really? This guy in the NFL. He said, quote, Thomas Henley was a man's name. T.H. was a legend is what he says about it. How about that?

Yeah. So it's a different type of thing. Also, he was called, somebody said that he was the consummate coach that you didn't want to play for i shouldn't say didn't want to play for it was more like we're scared to play for him you knew he was a good coach you knew he was a good man you knew you were scared of him because he was a good man he wouldn't let you get away with any bullshit he wasn't why he's a great father this is why he's a great father yeah he'd look at you he was he was bill cosby in the show yeah yeah minus the the all the rape stuff and the pills and being funny he was dead fucking

serious you're gonna listen to me this guy's dead fucking serious he's such a good and he's got such a reputation as just being a stern guy and this guy that everybody respects apparently one night uh he he uh someone broke into his car and stole the radio out of his car so he found out who did it through the neighborhood yeah because people respected him enough asking questions like a mob boss would do like it's like sopranos when they were looking for aj's teacher saturn and they sent pussy and paulie around to ask questions to figure out who stole it it's the same thing except it's this guy going around you know who stole my radio football coach yeah and he somebody told him eventually so he goes and knocks on the dude's door oh boy which this is just some

straight up shit you steal my shit motherfucker like that's amazing you got a sony in there yeah they said by the end of the night he had his radio back and the guy installed it back in his car for him and everything like just he's like sorry about that let me put that back for you a couple of friends will come by and splice those wires that i cut that's the type of respect that dude had in the neighborhood so when you grow up with a dad like that there's a certain i don't know you have a certain level of uh of respect you have to have for yourself yeah and otherwise your dad will make sure that you do and your and the mother too we're saying this about him because he did a lot outside the home and that's that with the football and everything but the mother, too. We're saying this about him because he did a lot outside the home with the football and everything.

But the mother was the same way. Dot was just as demanding. Their grades had to be good. They had to do what they were supposed to do, not get in trouble, no running the streets, do your chores, play your sports, play them properly. There was definitely a plan laid out for these kids here and they weren't they weren't really they weren't rich like 1969 when the brother was born for uh for four years all three brothers slept in the same bed together that's how that's how horrific yeah that's what i mean that's how uh it worked because they just didn't have the room for him and so they did what they they they may

do and they didn't care uh like we said thomas was very docile he was a guy that didn't didn't cause a lot of problems or anything like that and daryl was a lot more confident but he didn't cause problems either he was the type of dude though like the adults would take extra attention with him because he could he would crack in a joke he would crack a joke that was good on an adult level okay you know yeah like i never liked kids i was like because adults got my sense of humor more because He would crack a joke that was good on an adult level. Okay. You know? Yeah. Like, I never liked kids. I was like, because adults got my sense of humor more, because kids are fucking stupid. Right.

So I was a sarcastic kid. Sarcasm doesn't play well when you're 10 with the other kids. You know what I mean? Also, it's like there's a level of things you have to... It's not just dumb. It's like a level of life things that you have to be aware of to be able to get jokes. Yeah. Like, you have to understand the mechanics of fucking to get a lot of jokes sometimes or there has to be you have to have a knowledge of yeah current events to get a fucking even just pop culture reference and shit like that and i grew up around older people i

always had to hang out with old people and stuff like that so i had like an old man sense of humor you're coming to school with frank sinatra yeah i was like grumpy and sarcastic and shit and the other kids just didn't get where i was coming from all the time with that sort of, but adults did, and adults would be like, you're a weird kid. You're alright. Yeah, you're like a little old man, alright? I was called a little old man quite a lot when I was a child. So anyway, he was all, Daryl was like that with people. He was smart. Everybody said he did very well without really trying too hard.

He just was good. He was really fast. Darryl's smaller than his brothers, too. He grows up to be 5'9", like 170 is his top weight. He's not a big guy. He's a little fast cornerback. He's a little cover corner. So a speed guy.

And we'll find out he's really actually a damn good cornerback uh he was the best best player in the arcadia youth league uh which is where his father sent him uh because i guess they had better leagues over there in terms of uh equipment and coaching and it was just a more funded league that was set up better that you could kind of get in the groove of being in a bigger program like that and uh Thomas apparently got cut from a Pop Warner team, and that had a big impact on Daryl, seeing his brother, who's like one of his heroes, cut. He also, when he's a child, meets another guy here, three years older than him,

and he was the star of Daryl's father's football team, the Pop Warner team that his dad ran. There's a guy named Willie McGowan. This guy, Daryl worshipped him. And if kids that are three years older than you, team the pop warner team that his dad ran is a guy named willie mcgowan uh this guy daryl worshipped him and it's if kids that are three years older than you well that that's a thing that you get you're just like impressed with somebody when you're a kid and this is kind of the the way willie was and willie's going to have an enormous impact this is in la this is in la i wonder if he's related to our friend uh j mac who i his last name is McGowan, and he went to college for football.

And I know that his family is ingrained in the L.A. football. I'm going to have to check that out. He's less ingrained in the football, as we'll find out, than McGowan. Well, maybe J-Mac doesn't want to be related to him. More ingrained in the prison type of thing later on. It's old Willie. Go on. Sorry. type of thing later on. So old Willie, go on, sorry. Yeah, so they said that

Daryl would be the water boy when he was younger for this team before he was old enough to play for it and he just worshipped this Willie guy and Daryl would mimic the way he set his jersey up and the way he put your towel and your wristbands and your tape and shit.

You gotta personalize it. It's all personalized and he would mimic the way Willie did his shit because he thought he was cool when he was a kid his mother was all they were supportive of him playing football before his before his first game he was repeating this is from the book he was repeating the mantra that his mother told him to repeat quote i can do all things through christ who strengthens me so this is where we're at right now right he's found religion already. Already. Yeah. He was born with it.

He was born with a little bit of Jesus dust sprinkled on his head. I don't know if you know this, but Steph Curry says the same. I mean, it's in the Bible, whatever. But he says the same thing all the time. So he got signed by who fucking Under Armour does his shoes. And he wanted to put that on the back of the shoe. And the Under Armour told him fucking absolutely not. So on the back of the shoe and the Under Armour told him, fucking absolutely not. So on the back of the shoe,

all it says is, I can do all things. I can do all things. That's hilarious. They're like, tell you what, we'll compromise with you. You can shoot and dribble amazingly. I love when they edit. And we think that you can do anything.

So we'll just say this part. Edit things that make no sense. It's ridiculous. I saw this week that uh the new madden game they cut out callan colin kaepernick's name they edited out of a song that plays over the thing out of here they edited out curse words and colin kaepernick's name colin kaepernick's name is now synonymous with fuck yeah and like his his girlfriend or something tweeted out like uh excuse me like what the fuck is that his name name is not a curse word. Jesus Christ.

That's amazing. So ridiculous, right? How stupid is that? I didn't hear that. That's how punitively shitty the NFL is. By the way, I don't know where everybody stands, because we're not going to get political on this, with Anthem kneeling and all that horse shit.

I don't care what you fucking think about it. But if I'm a group of people, like Jerry Jones told him, anybody that doesn't stand is going to get fired. If'm a group of 55 people i go well we can have all the power today right because let's all do it right before a game and see what the fuck he does you think he'll forfeit it i doubt it because he'll owe a shitload of money to television people and sponsors and ticket holders i think he's gonna let us go out on the field. I bet he caves. And then I bet he shuts the fuck up and doesn't fucking say anything anymore about what the fuck we do.

And then he went out and did it with all of them. So what the fuck are we doing? And like I said, I'm not even saying whether I think they should or shouldn't. I'm not even going to get into that shit. It doesn't matter. It's a matter of power of fuck you. If there's 55 of you

and they need you to go out there and play i don't think jerry jones is going to go they all quick guys let's get the pads on everybody that works for the club come on equipment guy that's they're not going to do that get out from selling those hot dogs and put a jersey on pal we need you a cornerback this week that's not happening somebody get the intern of advertising that got all the billboards up in here put some pads on that motherfucker well he kicks field goals and then after they sue the shit out of him, and then the union sues the fuck out of him for suspending 55 players

in a non-sanctioned-by-the-league fucking action, then Jerry Jones will shut his old fucking ass up. I hate that motherfucker as much as I hate Tom Brady. And that has nothing to do with politics. I hate the fucking Cowboys. And I can't stand him. I don't. And I get that if you're a Cowboys fan,

you love him, just like if you're a Yankees fan, it's the thing with george steinbrenner everybody will hate him denver and john elway i get it yeah john always but he had like actual talents he could actually play the game these people can't do anything that's true yeah well we hate tom brady so never mind it's not near as as much of a face as jerry jones does he inserts himself he inserts himself as the fucking face of everything and that's why people hate him. You're just the loudest. Right.

Shut up, Al Davis. Eat dicks. You know what I mean? He's Al Davis, but like conservative Al Davis. At least Al Davis liked to stick it up people's asses. Jerry Jones doesn't even

stick it up anybody's ass. He just fucking, he's just an old fart. I have this definition of like dicks, assholes, and cunts. Like difference like a dick is true a dick is just selfish for the benefit of themselves an asshole an asshole is a is a dick for the benefit of somebody else that's why i i like to call myself an asshole okay if i'm a dick i'm benefiting somebody whether it's me or or a group so like we want our agent to be an asshole right that's what i want and then a cunt

is just a difficult asshole for no fucking reason at all. And that's Jerry Jones. Yes. Because he, well, it's egotistical. Yeah. He needs everyone to know that I'm powerful and I'm rich. Right. And it's like, it's hilarious.

You are powerful and rich, but there's 55 kids who have nothing. They have something now, but grew up with shit and don't have billions of dollars. And 55 of them together don't have what you have can make you can fucking ruin you in two seconds if they felt like and he's so good he's just chipping off little bits to these people it's very much like comedy in that you dangling the little fucking carrot for him and it just happens to be a 55 million dollar fucking carrot for a linebacker that's amazing you know what i mean yeah and but he's got billions so it doesn't fucking matter to him i'm telling you i'm saying if i was a cowboys player even if i was stoutly in favor of never kneeling and standing and have my hand over my heart and the whole thing i would kneel just to

say fuck you to my boss it's more about a boss thing i would just it would be like you know fuck you dude union standing together well not only that just i mean it's people standing together let's fucking all take our power check and and, because you can throw shit out and so can we. That would be... Before we make brash statements to the press about what you're going to do as a whole, why don't we all have a conversation first, because we have a part of this, too. Don't tell us what we're going to do. We'll tell you collectively what we'll do.

I'm sure many people won't disagree. We'll disagree with that fact. But you know what? Jesus Christ. Fuck Jerry Jones. Anyway, if you're a Cowboys fan, you're probably not going to like it. Eat dicks. Anyway, moving on.

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And so they thought he was going to be okay. Daryl's father said, quote, Willie was a good kid back then. His mother was an upstanding woman. Everything with Willie back then was yes, sir and no, sir. So they end up, the family, by the way, the Henleys, very frugal. They're always saving money to move to a better neighborhood to be in a better place and uh they both work uh his mother's a teacher uh they both work and they end up saving up to buy a home in ontario which as we know is like outside of la there's a comedy club out there

now yeah and uh what's that fucking shithole that where the shooting was at yeah shit yeah it starts with a b so i don't know so uh doesn't matter this place was uh known as very nice though it had good schools out there it was a much better place so they end up sending him to private schools at this point they're they're saving up to send these kids great well they're trying to they get partial football scholarships to these private schools and then also they they save up everything too so they're the brokest family at the private school exactly yeah no no they're so broke they go to this uh damien and it's a catholic school and they send more people a catholic school named damien weird right i don't know what they were thinking there it's got to have some sort of weird that happened fucking catholicism

so this place says that they have uh they've sent more boys to west point than any school west of the mississippi is what they bragged at the time so this is like a very very prestigious academically and athletically this school here they emphasized life after graduation it was a thing about all about where you're going to go to college where which wasn't just let's get you through high school. This type of school. So the kids worked so hard at this that the kids worked as groundskeepers over the summer and at nights and shit to be able to stay at the school to help pay for their own tuition. So they were playing and then they go clean shit up afterwards. You leave a bunch of rappers from the game out there, a hot dog rapper and all that shit.

They're going to come up and clean it up after they get their pads off these kids well you're running the suicides up and down the stadiums why don't you stop in row g and grab the fucking yeah snickers wrap why don't you do that then go do more calisthenics and then pull them out of science class to go clean the shitter yeah unbelievable hey shitter cleaner get over here and then play safety yeah they said that daryl was trying to be Thomas' opposite. Thomas was real stoic, and he was trying to not be. They said Daryl was polite. He never got arrested or anything like that, but he's a bit of a rebellious type of kid.

At the end of his eighth grade year, he didn't want to go to the Damien School. He wanted to go to a different high school that had more minorities in it, and a lot of the kids that he went to church with went there he wanted to be accepted he wanted to go where he felt more comfortable one of the kids be one of the kids like his friends and that sort of thing his father let him do it uh at that point he said okay fine but he told him but you can't compete against thomas that was the condition like yeah he said well that's not going to happen uh they said when chafee played damien uh daryl would have to sit out that was the condition like yeah he said well that's not going to happen uh they said when chafee played damien uh daryl would have to sit out that was the only catch how about that he said how's that if you can go if you if you do that you're gonna have to sit out a game but you're gonna have to

sit out the only game you really want to play which will be against your brother and you can't play so uh he ended up going to he did he took the deal he took he said no he said never mind i'll go to private school yeah he said that's right. Okay. So Thomas gets it. He ends up working as a Lockheed Martin aircraft there at that time. She was a dot dot. The mother was a grade school teacher. So they were. That's why they were able to afford and they were spending every extra dime.

They had their mortgage and their food and their bills and the kids schools. And that's all they did. People didn't go on vacation. They didn't do any of that. And then also, like we said, the kids work as groundskeepers to keep this there. I want to high-five his dad. What a hard-working son of a bitch. His dad and his mom are amazing people.

They're a great couple, amazing people. They really, really are. But, I mean, the majority I want to high-five the dad for the reason of, in the 60s, it wasn't frowned upon to walk the fuck away from a pregnant woman. He could have just been like, fuck this bitch and I'm going to California and take off. And they would have been like, okay. And he went to California and made a better life. And he was young. These people, they were both 19 years old.

It's crazy. So, I mean, it's not like they had a maturity. Like, this is all the shit we're talking about. These are people in their 20s. Right. You know what I mean? What a mature decision. This isn't, yeah, they're not like dicking around onchat and fucking off and and living at their parents house till they're 37

these fucking people got out went to another state and and moved up the economic ladder several times by their own bootstraps it's unbelievable this is a very uh and it takes two it's it's i guess it's also a testament to their their parents probably had a good relationship because to build this type of thing, you need to have a strong team. No one can do this shit on their own. They had to be like an insanely, insanely strong team. And in sync with decisions in terms of money alone when you have none. Vision of how you're raising your kids, where you're going to spend your money, what's important to you. They have the same priorities.

Absolutely. So that's impressive. It really, really is. And thank Christ that they decided to go into the things that they did because they are shaping the minds of younger people with her being a teacher and him being a coach. Thank God that they did that because you need to instill whatever you're doing in the fucking youth of America. They've dealt with hundreds and thousands of kids, not hundreds of thousands, hundreds

and thousands. And from what I understand, not even an accusation of molestation either from any of them i don't even care if they did a good job or not if you dealt with all those kids and never touched any of them at this point i'm like great job thank you i don't care if none of them went to college nobody can read i don't give a fuck yeah they didn't get their buttholes diddled and that makes me happy this is intense uh yes so uh So Thomas Henley became a big football star. He set a career rushing record at the high school that stood for more than 20 years. Wow.

Which is incredible. Absolutely. His grade point average was really high, too. He was a 4.0 student, president of the student body, captain of the football team, and league champion in the triple jump also. This is ridiculous. That's his brother, Thomas. Also named the second best Catholic athlete in all of California that year.

And he's got to follow him through school and try to be as good or better. That's what I mean. So he's got to have a different personality just to break away from that sort of thing. That bar is set awfully high. It really is. It really is is so he's a little younger and he's smaller too uh thomas had or uh darryl had a couple of problems he tried to steal a bike from outside of kmart when he was 11 like that's that's the extent of his criminal background he has none uh they said that he was the only one of the sons to ever come home drunk. But that happened once. And he never did that. Never did that shit again.

They put an end to that shit real fucking fast. The stealing of bikes out front at Kmart, I understand. Because remember when they used to do that and put the rack of bicycles, the new bikes out front on those metal. It's like you walk by them going in the store. If you're 11, you can smell the tires. That would be easy. You can smell the new tires. And you're like, oh, man, those chains are freshly greased.

The brakes are all so thick. I'll bet it stops on a dime. Fucking hurt. Let me just take it for a run to the end of the sidewalk. Oh, there we go. There it is. Let me just take it a little further. Fuck these people. I'm riding away. It's a thought process. Nobody yelled at me yet. Also, he got in trouble for

turning in a paper that he copied from another guy on the football team which that really pissed off apparently this this high school here they did not take kindly to that sort of shit to plagiarism they're very yeah mom's a teacher they're very heavy on academics here and that's not that's the other thing all of these kids they don't they they feel like all of these kids are above doing that any of these kids that are going here, uh, but there was, uh, they,

the father Travers who ran the place, uh, gave him an F on his report card, Daryl there. So, uh, the father Thomas pissed off saying he fucked up on one paper, but he doesn't deserve a fucking F.

He now imagine having this guy come into your office. Oh no. If you're some priest going, you fucked my boy over. This is like, Oh shit. Uh, so, uh, he gets priest going, you fucked my boy over. This is like, oh, shit. So he gets over there and he yells at this Father Travers and pulls Daryl out and enrolls him in Ontario High School after that. Entirely out of the school.

Entirely. Fuck you. I'm getting my kid out of here. And he ends up doing that. But they end up the priest at the priest at the school the headmaster there ended up kind of they they made up with each other because the father didn't want him back and they didn't want daryl back and then they kind of wanted daryl back and the father didn't want him to come back and they kind of did that and finally it all it all worked itself out to where he was

playing football by the next football season for damien for damien and everything was fine and damien's in laverne california uh he's coming from a close-knit family they're very christian uh he's from the suburbs that's where he grew up he's got he went to catholic school uh he has a b average which is pretty good in high school they don't you know he's not his brother 4.0 but a b average for a football player is pretty damn decent and uh he ends up deciding on ucla apparently usc was what he was interested in at first sure but he ends up deciding on UCLA. Apparently, USC was what he was interested in at first. Sure. But he ends up.

It's the bigger one. It's the better one. His brother, Thomas, goes to Stanford because he has a 4.0 grade point average and is president of the student body and shit. Amazing. He goes and ends up graduating from Stanford. Incredible. This guy who got on a Greyhound bus from Waco has a damn son that graduated from fucking

Stanford, which is pretty incredible. And he should really, they should pat each other on the back at 19 it's pretty impressive you put that kid through everything mind you adding two more boys to this to this brood and and getting that one that you moved with through stanford and then the other one the second one now is at ucla like i know ridiculous we spend a lot of time more than usual on an early life in a family life than we normally do only because it's it's so rare it's so important to to the rest of the story to make you go what the fuck is wrong with you you stupid fucking asshole so uh ucla he goes to 1985 is his freshman year at ucla uh he has an interception that year which isn't bad at all he also returns a few kicks and a few punts averages 23.3 yards per return on kick returns

this is a team that has mike charard who is a wide receiver in the nfl i believe with the niners and giants had him for a while later on also gaston green remember gaston green yeah he was the running back for them so a couple of guys you recognize from like late 80s early 90s nfl the team itself uh ucla is pretty good this year they go nine two and one not bad not too bad at all they're number 13 uh they finish actually after the bowl they finish seventh in the in the pole they go all the way to the rose bowl wow which is a big deal uh they they play iowa in Rose Bowl, and they were just happy to get out of the fucking freezing cold cornfield, so they didn't play as hard as they could have.

And UCLA beats them 45-28. Just happy to be in Pasadena. You know it. They were just like, there's a lot of girls around here, and they don't look like Iowa. What the hell is that yellow thing in the sky? Oh, shit. What's the score? We've been playing this all time?

Oh, shit. Oh, damn. I've been at the beach. Did he say two-minute warning? Is minute warning is that what he just said we should start playing then huh shit all right well they already got 45 so let's just next year i thought that coin flip was who gets to get in the ocean first damn that's what we've been doing all week so i just figured that's what it was that's shit they said coin flip i said'm in. I put my board shorts on. I was like, let's do this. I like titties. Woo. So this is under coach Terry Donahue that season.

1986 season. He plays in all 12 games. He has four interceptions, which is great for 12 games. One in three games. That's not bad. Every third game he gets a pick. 73 yards and returns on those. He has several. He has about 18 punt returns that year.

He returns 22 kicks. So he's a big part of the team. He's a starting quarterback that's getting interceptions, and he is like a primary kick punt returner. So a lot of this team goes through him. Good for him. He's blazing fast, too. Absolutely blazing speed he has he's really impressive uh

but you have to be to be a cover corner at five nine you better be able to stick a guy if you if if the if you are slow you will not play no you're not gonna play at all that height you better be fast as fuck yeah if you're gonna be a little down a step you better be six three where you're you know tipping balls away and shit uh nove 8th, 86 is the homecoming game for UCLA where they played Stanford that year, and his brother Thomas was there. This is crazy. He gets to play against his brother Thomas,

Stanford versus UCLA. It's pretty cool. He was a senior at Stanford. He just started playing receiver because he was a running back before that, and they ended up making him be a receiver. And Darryl was a great cornerback. That day, Darryl returns a uh 50 yard fumble for a touchdown amazing uh he said quote if carl lewis had come out of the stands he wouldn't have caught me so i like that all right he's like i

don't give a shit i was running about how fast he was like plus he was like i was running for my life i was getting that touchdown that day uh that year, same coach, Terry Donahue. They go 8-3-1. They go to the Freedom Bowl, which is not as good as the Rose Bowl. Where is that? Is that Philly? You know what? It was hard to find out because it's not a bowl that happens anymore. It doesn't even... I think it's something different now.

This was in 1986. They have 46 bowls now. And the Freedom Bowl, that doesn't sound very political or corporate. It doesn't sound very political or corporate. Or sponsor. Yeah, it doesn't sound like a sponsor. Anything like it's going to be the Jeep Liberty Bowl. The Jeep Liberty Freedom Bowl.

That's what it's going to be. Exactly. No doubt. Slash Weed Whacker Bowl. Everything's got a Weed Whacker or Roto. A lot of lawn care products. Everyone watching bowls is just concerned about their lawn, even though it's January and they have no interest in their lawn.

So they face BYU that year. So they beat these Mormon fucks 31 to 10. A bunch of hard black kids from UCLA, from fucking L.A., are going to play BYU. 86 was the year after Steve Young left, too. So that was at least before that they had Steve Young. Then before that, BYU had Jim McMahon. Oh, that's great. And they don't have either of those guys here.

They're gutted, and they have just a bunch of lame white guys that are supposed to try to match up with these guys. We can do it, guys. No, you can't. You're going to lose 31-10. And that 10 was probably in garbage time. Prevent defense. Just 10-yard chunks at a time, dumping them underneath.

So 1987, the New Orleans Saints draft his brother thomas great so that's terrific there uh 1987 season things changed for ucla big time because troy acheman transfers to ucla did he go there i don't think i knew that he started out at oklahoma or oklahoma state one of the oklahoma schools and uh they weren't a passing it it wasn't a passing type of offense. It was a running offense. So he wanted to showcase his talent. Wanted to go to a pro-style

offense where he could throw and be drafted number one overall which is what ends up happening. He was smart. Good move, Troy. Good move, Troy. Plus, where would you rather live?

Right. Norman, Oklahoma or Los Angeles? I rest my case. So special occurs. A blonde kid with a big gun of an arm who's on the

cover of magazines I'm going to LA rip chest and fucking abs have a good one bye yeah bye see ya

so that year Thomas in 87 he plays in all 12 games he has one interception that year and interceptions are

one of those things where it's kind of circumstantial because if you're a shutdown corner they don't throw at you a lot. And that's the bottom line, especially in college.

If you're the shut-down corner, they're just going to throw away from you all game. They're going to No. 2 all night. That's it. So any interceptions you do get are even more impressive because your options are limited, and they're even more careful when they throw over to you. That is the good point, because even if somebody has a lot of interceptions and they're not necessarily staying on one guy the whole game,

it doesn't really rely on him either. It doesn't necessarily speak to his talent. Because what if that quarterback's just a shitty arm? And that's the other thing, too. If you see a safety with a lot of interceptions, you notice a lot of them don't have consistently every year a lot of interceptions because they're playing center field. There's a tipped ball. They come up

and grab it. Or a quarterback, there's a cross signal. Quarterback throws an errant throw over the middle and grab it. Or a quarterback, there's a cross signal. Quarterback throws an errant throw over the middle, and you're the only one standing there. That happens. Also, that line on both sides, they're fucking huge dudes. And if their arms are up in the air, and you don't see the safety, and you just throw over the middle, that guy's got an easy ball. Exactly. That's why these quarterbacks have to know where everybody is. That's a crazy job.

The vision of a quarterback is intense. It's wild. You've got to have 20-20. You would have to, I would think and all that that's a crazy job the vision of a quarterback is intense it's wild gotta have 2020 you would have to i would think and peripheral too insane peripheral vision for giant guys trying to tackle you i've seen some of them lose contact lenses which makes me go don't even have that quarterback fuck that guy if he's got glass in his eye to do this get a different i want him to be like a pilot. Yeah. Let your eyes be naturally good. He also returns a bunch of kicks here. He returns one punt for a touchdown also. So he has a punt return touchdown in 87. And they don't have him return as many kickoffs that year.

He only returns one kickoff. So he's mainly the punt guy. And I think they probably got a younger guy, some newer guy that's coming in. Because kickoff returning is dangerous as shit. So they're like, let's get him get trampled get trampled there weren't there weren't any the rules you just murder people no no you could have knives and pipes and shit on the field back then it was fine so they uh they fit that finished 10 and 2 as a team with troy acheman at the helm uh ninth in the ap poll overall they go to the aloha bowl so going to hawaii i don't give a shit if it's a good

ball or not it's a free vacation. They play Florida that year, the Gators, and win 20-16 over them. So now he's got... Every year they've won the bowl game. And it sounds like, too, not just the wins, and it's the things he's doing on the field.

He's making electric plays. Punt returns are amazing to watch when it's a touchdown. It's the most exciting play when you get a punt return for a touchdown. Absolutely. Because everyone's running one direction and one guy's zipping through them. That's exciting. 88 season, he plays all 12 games again, has one interception.

Again, punt returns, though, this year. He returns 23 punts for an average of 12.3 per return, but he has two touchdowns. Amazing. Two punt return touchdowns. That leads the entire NCAA. Really? NCAA. It's probably tied, I'm sure, by a bunch of guys with two, but he's tied for the lead

at least in the punt return category. That's right. And he's a consensus All-America that year. Amazing. That's amazing. They put a team together. If you don't know anything about football, you put a team together, fill in all the positions, and it's one player at each position, the best in the country, and that's your All-America.

And he's the cornerback. And he's one of the two. Let's find out who else was on this team. It was Steve Walsh and Troy Aikman were the quarterbacks, both NFL guys. Running backs were Barry Sanders. What the fuck? Anthony Thompson and Tim Worley, which are also all yeah nfl running backs uh wide receiver jason phillips hartley dykes which is one of my favorite names in the world don't think i've ever

heard that oh yeah we've brought it up on this show before and you cackled like a bastard yeah because i'm trying right now how do you get that name how do you do that as a parent just fucking ruin that guy forever name him hartley dykes yeah that's the one uh Tony Mandrich lesbian name on earth it fucking is it really is for especially for a dude uh Tony Mandrich uh Anthony Phillips Mike Utley the neck broken guy there uh Derek Thomas on defense Broderick Thomas also other other NFL players the the other cornerback because there's two cornerbacks on the All-American team, Daryl Henley, Deion Sanders. Wow.

So that tells you the level he's at as far as that goes. Donnell Wolford, another longtime NFL star, was one of the safeties. So this is a no-shit. All these guys are NFL stars in the future, or at least players. At the minimum right now, like his father, you look at your one boy who's a bookworm in all intents of purposes yeah and a great athlete but this one now all-american with those i mean he doesn't have the forethought to see that oh there's so many no no no minimum a hall of famer in there it's a lot

of hall of famers yeah there's three a bunch of floor yeah there's a bunch so the point is like how do you get in how do you how do you just not be a smug asshole oh yeah knowing that this is what you've done yeah i didn't fuck up well maybe because he said let's see what they do their whole lives he's maybe he does have four yeah his smug dick would have got knocked right in the dirt on that later i would be intensely smug at this point in my life i'm a great dad dude my have you seen my fucking kids have you seen how good oh stanford did i tell you stan oh no and we didn't have to pay for that shit they they paid for him to come there that's how fucking good my kids are he's going to a school whose mascot is a fucking tree yeah that's they're

so proud of their school they don't give a fuck what the mascot is. And the other one's going to a school that's so fucking good. It's 90 percent Asian. So what does that fucking tell you? Boom. Academics, motherfucker, which back then I'm sure was now it's like 97 percent Asian. Yeah, Asian. So eating apple, a lot of people. That's a good point.

So their record here was 10 and two that year at UCLA, and they are sixth in the final AP poll. So they're number six in the nation. They go to the Cotton Bowl, which was still a big bowl then. I think it is now, too. Yeah. Cotton Bowl, and they win 17-3 versus Arkansas. How about that? He won all four bowl games while he was there.

It's incredible. So his life has been nothing but success. Yeah. It's incredible. So his life has been nothing but success. Yeah. He's seen his parents move up the chain of just the economic scale of we move from this neighborhood to this neighborhood. My dad got a promotion.

He got a new job at a better place. My mom got a job at a nicer school. I'm going to a better school, a better school. And then I go to a college and we win all the time. And I'm an all American. Life has been just. It's an escalator of life. They're not even on the fucking staircase. It's a slowly, but consistently moving upward escalator,

and he's just reaped all the benefits of it and had a fantastic life so far. It's amazing. Just based on the fact that he listened to his parents and is pretty goddamn naturally fast. So not bad at all. A good life. Final stats in college are uh on defense seven

interceptions 131 interception return yards for 18.7 per uh return kick a punt return 66 punt returns for 654 yards and three touchdowns and a 29 kick returns for 651 yards 22.4 average so not bad he's a he's a sought-after guy. And he's an All-American. Everyone's aware of him. He played for a major power. Things are going well. Things are going so well that on April 23, 1989, the NFL draft takes place.

And we talked about this a few episodes ago with Andre Rison because he's drafted in the same year. So we'll hit on a couple different points so we don't talk about the same shit over and over. But this is at the New Yorkork marriott marquee try acheman number one overall like we said last time tony mandrich brian uh barry sanders derek thomas deon sanders is the top five so this is a four out of the top five guys are hall of famers just hall of famers bananas insane steve atwater another amazing player. Number 20 overall.

Also a Hall of Famer. Also a Hall of Famer. Andre Rison was number 22. Hartley Dykes, number 16. That's where it came up last time. Hartley Dykes. Steve Wisniewski, the offensive lineman. All of these guys here.

The Rams select Darrell Henley in the second round. Pick 53 overall. Los Angeles Rams. So hometown team. That's crazy. Growsley in the second round. All right. Pick 53 overall. Los Angeles Rams. So hometown team. That's crazy. Grows up in L.A. College in L.A. Everything goes well.

Escalator going up. College in L.A. And now he's going to play pro ball in his home city. Amazing. I mean, this guy, he might, is he Jesus? It doesn't happen. Because he's the most blessed fucking guy in the world. Not that, I guess Jesus had it hard.

He kind of struggled this night. If we're taking it at face value. Really, the end of it, the end of it, real tough. The beginning to kind of a tough life. He had sandals every day. Fuck, man. Again, it's like being living in Haight-Ashbury. It's terrible. Fucking terrible.

And no showers. At least he had LSD. So good for Jesus. That's true. And you know what? Like I said, Jesus had LSD, so everything was fine. Good for him. Because as we all know, Jesus had LSD, so everything was fine. Good for him. Because as we all know, Jesus invented LSD and used it

on himself. So this, the funny thing is they got him. They drafted Darryl. After him, right after him, they could have got Mark Stepnoski, who has turned out to be a pro bowl offensive lineman. Round three, they could have also got Don Beebe, the longtime

Bills receiver. Double helmet. Yeah, so there's a, there you go. Double three, they could also have got Don Beebe, the longtime Bills receiver. Double helmet? Yeah, so there you go. Double helmet? That's Kelso. Mark Kelso had the double helmet. Beebe was the guy who bounced on his head and should have had a double helmet. It was Kelso that had that?

It was Kelso, defensive back. I swore Beebe had it. Now, Beebe was the receiver. Oh, he was the receiver. He bounced on his head that time where his neck looked like a spring and he popped up and somehow just started walking around again.

That was crazy. I've never seen another human being do that before that was fucking nuts also round five you could have had dave meggett is that right yeah the sports alumni and a heart if you haven't listened to that episode he's a monster listen to that horrible human being so he had a 2.8 grade average grade point average at ucla. He's doing very well. He signs a four-year, $1.2 million contract with the Rams. Absurd. To play in his hometown. What the fuck, man? How does life get better than that? It doesn't get a whole lot better than that, but we're still not even at grace yet.

Right. We're still not at grace. That's how, what a great life he has. The disgusting and disturbing part is that this show is called Crime and Sports, so this has to end at some point. It's going to end bad. And that is fucking depressing. It ends so bad, too.

There's no reason for this. It ends, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Like, the one thing he does at first is like, that was stupid, you're an idiot, but fuck it. Right. Whatever. Like, you took a chance and you're a moron. The second thing, you just want to, you hope his dad came to the jail and beat the shit

out of him. I already wanted that to happen because I know that this is going to happen. I want came to the jail and beat the shit out of him I already wanted that to happen because I know that this is gonna happen it's fucking depressing I want him to get straight old black man

on his ass and start calling him fucking names and just beating him and whooping him and telling him that you know he's gonna go

pick a switch I want him to turn into 1965 black dad call him a no good motherfucker no good son of a bitch making your mama all upset

and beating his ass that's what I want no good is a No good son of a bitch. You're making your mama all upset and beating his ass. That's what I want. No good is a phrase that came out of dad's mouth. Oh definitely. No good bastard.

No good motherfucker. Because he's as good as it gets. So 89 season LA Rams. This is the Jim Everett Rams. It's not pretty. Greg Bell, Robert Delpino,

the Cleveland Gary. Wow. This era. Also your boy not only Henry Ellard but Flipper Anderson. You bet Gary. Wow. This era. Also, your boy, not only Henry Ellard, but Flipper Anderson right here. You betcha. That's my man. Definitely not the Dolphins playing for you. I have a Christmas ornament of that motherfucker.

I know you do. That's amazing. I love it. That's so great. Now, Darryl has a good year. He plays in 15 games. They don't start him any because he's a rookie, but he plays in 15 games. He has an interception, which is great.

He has a forced fumble. He has a fumble recovery, which is fantastic. 21 tackles. That's a good rookie year for a kid. Also, they have him returning punts. He returns 28 punts for 266 yards. Totally useful. So they're using him.

They're using him. He's a speedy cornerback, and that's what they do with the young corners. They make them return kicks and punts and shit. Their record, too, the Rams that year was 11-5. They had a really good season. This was the late 80s. The Rams were pretty good. They were getting strong.

I remember they beat the Giants one year in the playoffs on a fucking terrible pass interference call. Oh, never mind. Was Dickerson the running back at this point? No, no Dickerson at this point. They did not have Dickerson. He was still, I believe, on the Colts at that point. Or no, this was after they got rid of Dickerson to go to the Colts.

What am I talking about? That makes sense. The Rams drafted Dickerson in 83. They had already gotten rid of Dickerson. Got it. So that's where they are. So they're 11-5. John Robinson is the coach the old usc coach

there uh they end up going to the wild card game uh which they beat uh philadelphia 21 to 7 and then this was the year they beat the giants 1913 in the divisional round on a horse shit uh pass interference call uh absolute horse shit terrible fucking interference call I want to say it was on Terry Kennard but I'm not sure I love how personal it is isn't it the best it was fucking fourth down everyone throws this terrible ball over the middle it just goes and they call pass interference on it

you're like no that's just fourth down I was so mad as a child I was not even 10 yet when this happened I was so mad so they're going to the NFC championship game they absolutely are against the Niners, and we all know what happened. The Niners trouncing Denver 55-10 in the Super Bowl. They lose 30-3 to the Niners in the Championship game.

It wasn't pretty. How about that? The Niners, they did that in the Championship game, and then went to the Super Bowl and did basically a carbon copy thing. They were just on a roll. Nobody can beat them. You couldn't stop them. They were nasty back then.

It's funny, too. Norv Turner was their wide receivers coach then, who was head coach and offensive coordinator everywhere for the last 30 years. So that year, that was that year, 1990 now, he plays in nine games. He starts six of them, has an interception also, which is not too shabby. Also returns 19 punts, returns some kicks also. So they're getting a lot of use out of him. And they're going to have to get, I bet they wish they could get more use because this is when the Rams start to really suck.

This is when it gets bad. They go 5-11 that year, which is ugly. 5-11, it's the same team too they don't do anything to really improve or do anything they just suck and go five and eleven that's terrible they went 11 and five and then five and came back with the same team and flip flopped it how do you do that same coach same team same everything this is when they started to get rid of key cogs of the team too and daryl will talk about later on how by the time like 93 94 came around he there's like nobody left of the team that he theyaryl will talk about later on how by the time like 93 94 came around he there's

like nobody left of the team that he they were getting rid of people because they sucked yeah and this is when the rams also were being really cheap and they ended up moving to st louis a few years later so this is this is the end of the la rams this is the as they the last dying death rattles of the la rams here which uh they i fucking it's weird too i like that they're back there i never liked the rams but they shouldn't have been in st louis there was no reason for that no put them back in la where they belong and get them back to that lighter blue and yellow right if st louis wants a fucking team get an owner to fucking build a team and put one there put a goddamn team in there and don't name it the cardinals right i'm sure the nfl would be

thrilled with that just having another team for more revenue and more money, sure. But if you put one there, you've got to put one somewhere else for the AFC. You've got to even it out and all that shit. Make it even and we'll figure it out. The networks would love to have more football on TV. Yeah, St. Louis is a good sports city too. It is. It's a damn good city. They looked at LA like, how do we not have a team

in this giant fucking market? Now they have too many. Now they have one that's whatever and then one that people are like, did they come here or not with the Chargers? We really got them? Is that a team? Don't they play in like a soccer stadium or some shit?

They don't even have a real stadium? Maybe that's why nobody goes. They're playing in a parking lot somewhere. Yeah, I think so. They just lay some indoor-outdoor carpeting down and they go to it. Should have put that shit in St. Louis. St. Louis, they're salivating.

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Also, a fumble recovery, too. So he's got his hands in a lot of things here. Also, quite a few touchdown or punt returns. He returns 15 punts also and a few kicks on the side as well, but not many. The Rams, though, continue to just tumble down the path of irrelevancy as they go 3 and 13 that year think maybe it's time to shit can robinson what do you think everybody at least a few people they went 11 and 5 5 and 11 3 and 13 someone's got to go at that point so when the losses are in double digits and then they go higher that's not good let's just's just say it's enough. We'll give you,

you were 11-5 and they were good before that. We'll give you a year after you're 5-11. Things happen. Have some injuries. 3-13 though? I don't fucking think so.

Listen, we got shirts to sell. Thanks for the high draft pick, but fuck you. Yeah, they got like. So 1992. 1992 season, he starts 15 of 16 games again. This year he has four interceptions he's so he's doing

his part he's doing his part he's he's always improving daryl always improving always get up that steady escalator like we said the steady escalator of failure he's gonna he's getting there to this very top which will probably be the name of this episode like a roller coaster when the cogs are clicking it's it's it's a smooth ride though i feel there's no clicking it's an escalator ride and then it's going to turn into a roller coaster once you get to the top you don't step off you just go down the other side and you're not in a seat buckled in it's just humbling just through the air no parachute nothing oh boy you can get fucked so four picks like we said uh by that point he doesn't have uh they don't have

him returning kicks and punts that year uh for some reason but uh he's not either way it doesn't matter so four picks uh 41 return yards on those uh the team uh they did fire john robinson and they bring in chuck knox who's the old uh seahawks coach from the 80s there uh with uh you know all those dave craig and all those guys steve largen teams coach name the 80s there with all those Dave Craig and all those guys. Steve Largent teams. He's got a hell of a coach name. Chuck Knox. There's no more fucking tough, hard nails name than that.

Chuck Knoll is pretty good, too. That's a good one, too. Chuck Knox. Knox is a good name. And Nolan, too. That's a good one, too. Yeah, that is a good name. I like that one.

Chuck is a great football coach name. Fuck, yes. Everybody should just go by Chuck. Instead of calling him Coach, you should call him Chuck. You know, like, what's up, Coach? What's up, Chuck? I feel like that should all be named Chuck. This is Chuck Bill...

Jesus, Bill Belichick. It's Chuck Bill Belichick. Chuck Belichick. Instead of saying Coach Belichick. It's so hard to say. Hey, Chuck Belichick. Because you want to say Coach. Yeah, but nope, Chuck.

So Chuck Knox improves the team, not by much. They go 6-10, so not that great of a thing there. But Darrell, like we said, he's going up the escalator. Right now he has reached the top floor of this escalator. And you know what that means, Jimmy. You bet. Grace. This is grace.

It just stopped, and he's like, ooh, we're cresting what's gonna happen now and oh fuck does it change okay january 30 uh 31st is the uh super bowl 27 this uh obviously daryl's not involved in this the rams are six and ten he plays for a shit team right uh as hard of a great of a name as that chuck knox is he's still not going to get them there. This is in Pasadena. It's at the Rose Bowl. This is the Super Bowl that Dallas crushed Buffalo 52-17. It really wasn't a very good game.

But funny things, I always like giving details of Super Bowls because they're pretty fucking amusing. National Anthem sung by Garth Brooks. Really? Yep. Halftime show was Michael Jackson. This is the big game. Yeah, the giant Michael Jackson Halftime show was Michael Jackson. This is the beginning. Yeah, the giant Michael Jackson halftime show that was such a huge deal. It was more watched than the fucking game.

Right. And the coin toss that year was done by none other than fucking O.J. Simpson. Get the fuck out of here. Sorry to God, O.J. Hey, everybody, let's flip that coin. Yeah. Let's do this. Year and a half.

I'll be killing my wife. All right. Heads I kill or tails I kill both. Both of them. Oh, tails. Let's do this. Year and a half, I'll be killing my wife. All right. Heads I kill or tails I kill both. Both of them. Oh, tails. Okay. So that's some interesting times here. Also, the 30-second commercial cost $850,000 on that.

That's fairly affordable. Compared to now. Yeah, now it's like $3 million, I want to say, or some crazy shit like that. Now, Daryl meets a lady at this point over the course of this weekend. The Rams, because the NFL has all sorts of people they send teams and representatives because it's a circus of media and fan.

It's promotion of the NFL every turn you go. Exactly. So he meets a young lady named Tracy Donahoe. Now, she says, quote, I met Daryl on Super Bowl Sunday, January of 93. And obviously, he was a football player. He played for the Rams. She was a L.A. Rams cheerleader.

Okay. That's what she did. You're not allowed to do that anymore. No, that's not. You weren't then either. Okay. She said they were in a tent out front of the place. They had tents set up.

Different teams had all their tents out there. Yeah. And she said, quote, there were about seven cheerleaders and about five football players. We were scheduled to sign autographs for about four hours. The first hour, the cheerleaders sat and talked and ate lunch. The players were at the table next to us. I noticed Daryl because he kept looking over at our table and because he was wearing Carl Canai menswear, which is fucking hilarious that There's a lot of Carl Canai talk here, which is just hilarious.

And if you're under the age of like 36, you have no idea what we're talking about. But in the early 90s, people wore pants that were just enormous and orange and shit, and that was Carl Canai. That has K-A-N-I printed hugely across the fucking pocket. Oh, man. all of his clothes

were giant and brightly colored and aggressive it was before tj maxx sold all that kind of shit yeah carl can i if you saw it was expensive and popular right if you saw something brightly colored it was probably him that was like yeah tommy hill figure so uh he said she said quote some of my girlfriends and i had wanted to find out where to get it for a long time what do they care about where to get carl can i shit these are these are white cheerleaders what the fuck do you want with carl can i close in the first of all they have nothing that'll fit you right if you're a cheerleader you're gonna look dumb in it if you weigh 300 pounds that shit's 18 sizes too big for you if you're they don't make that uh so she said

so she wanted to talk to him because he had carl can i shit on uh she was 19 years old this girl uh 19 she's from orange county she's a suburban kid cheerleader uh you know pretty they said blonde of course she's a cheerleader she's a blonde pretty la rams orange county cheerleader here it is fascinating that they rarely have unattractive women doing those dances. That's very interesting. It's usually, yeah. It's odd that that is. I think it's coincidental.

I don't think they're casting them based on looks. I really don't. I think it's all coincidental, and that's just the way it is. Who can do the Macarena best? That's definitely who it is. It's her. It's definitely her. It's always the pretty girls.

They're really good at that. It's weird. Super weird. So he sees her. Daryl says that he thinks he recognized her from somewhere. And Steve Israel was another cornerback who was playing with the Rams at that time. And Steve Israel said, quote, she was with me that night at Todd's, referring to a party that they had at the end of the season a month before. And Daryl was there with his girlfriend, Alyssa, who, by the way, is also a Rams cheerleader, obviously.

And so, yeah, apparently a bunch of the other players and cheerleaders and everybody were were there that night. And now everybody, I guess, was going back and forth and looking looking at each other and making eyes as young attractive people tend to do and uh i guess the steve israel told him that her name's tracy if you if you want to get to know her basically uh so uh now but his girlfriend like we said is a is uh elisa and she is the leader of the cheer of tracy's particular cheerleading line i guess they have different it's a squad within a squad, and the leaders of the line, and I guess Alyssa is the leader of Tracy's line. So this is all.

She's the bottom bitch of them all. Yeah, yeah. This is really too entangled, I think, in the cheerleading squad here. You can only date one cheerleader at a time. Can we make that rule? I know they have a rule you're not supposed to date any. Any of them.

But if you're going to date any, one at a time here. So apparently they were saying it's very gossipy, the cheerleader scene. I'm sure it is. And it's the football players, too. It's a bunch of people that see each other every day and do a lot of standing around. You're going to talk. You're going to fucking gripe and talk and all that sort of thing.

He said that he was worried about, from the team standpoint here, it's a, it's an NFL rule, not even a, is that what it is? Yeah. It's a, they don't really enforce it.

There's no like penalty. Like you dated a cheerleader. That's a one game suspension, but there's a rule of don't associate with cheerleaders and cheerleaders don't associate with players, which I think is the stupidest rule ever. I get that it's a distraction, but I don't know,

like who you expect them to fuck, you know? But who's to say that quarterback and that, that cheer I don't know. Who do you expect them to fuck? But who's to say that quarterback and that cheerleader aren't fucking perfect for each other? And that's the other thing. What better do you want to represent your team than the quarterback and the cheerleader? I don't know. If you're an NFL team, that seems like a wholesome image you'd want to put forward of these nice, good-looking fucking people. How about the Boise State boy who fucking proposed to the cheerleader?

That's beautiful. Yeah, that was nice. That was nice. Yeah. So and now so Daryl now is kind of hooked up with he likes this Tracy and he's hooked up with Alyssa. Also, Tracy told him right away that his her mother is not OK with interracial relationships and does not want her mom to know. His mom is racist very racist super

racist these are our rich orange county racists i love them this is great nothing of her dating some black guy who plays for the fucking rams that is the last awesome story this makes it so much better for me too i think this is fucking hilarious so here's a wholesome uh young man who was raised fantastically with his with his family background than any any white guy that she could have came up with and the reason mom doesn't want him he's black from a good family upstanding the best went to a good went to a great uh prep school went to a great college unbelievable has a terrific job where he makes more money than anybody else that lives on their block probably, and yet not okay.

That's racism. When everything else is perfect and that's still, no, I don't think so. That's racist. He's a prime candidate for your daughter. Oh, on paper? Yeah, so eligible. Look at his stats. He went to that school.

I hear that's a good school. UCLA, very nice. Okay, graduated. Excellent. Oh, he makes how much per year? school. I hear that's a good school. UCLA. Very nice. Okay. Graduated. Excellent. Oh, he makes how much per year? Wonderful. That's great. Endorsements, too.

Oh, I'll add a little extra. There's Jamal? What the fuck? Owns a home. Daryl? Daryl, huh? Two R's in that, Daryl? That's not normal, is it? Let's have a chat with this guy.

Let's talk to Daryl, shall we? How much cocoa butter's in his apartment? That's E-E. That's R-R-E-L-L, correct? No, there's a Y in there. Fuck. Damn it. Shit, like strawberry?

Oh, fuck. We're in trouble. Yeah, check his medicine cabinet for cocoa butter. So he says, he didn't give a shit about that either way. He said, quote, Tracy was real cool and the first white girl I had ever dated. I thought she was as close to being hip as any black woman i'd ever dated we did not have a wild romance but instead it was instead it was a friend friendly relationship that included sex sometimes not regularly though they didn't it was weird they didn't have like a like a rip-roaring passionate

like uh lustful attraction no they did take it slow. She was wanting to take it slow. He is dabbling in so many ladies because he starts to just dabble in a lot of women at this point. There's a point in a little while where he moves and he has a separate phone line just for the ladies because he can't take that clogging up his normal

fucking course of business. That's what I mean. He's got a pipeline. He's got a pussy pipeline a pipeline he's got a pussy pipeline phone he's got a pussy red phone that's amazing that it lights up it's the lips yeah from the sports illustrator yeah it sends up the pussy signal into the air and then that's that this is crazy so yeah so he's so for him it was like well if she's not going to give it up it's not like that's the only girl he's pressing on. So he's like, well, I'll fuck that other girl tonight and I'll keep working on her another time. So that's how he seems to be.

Or maybe she's just like, she goes to the grocery store. She's around her mom a lot and she can't be around him very much. Listen, my racist mom's nearby. I can't do this. You cannot go to Orange County. No, not even anywhere. Don't go to Disneyland. I'm telling you right fucking now.

Just don't. Stay out. Stay out. My mom's there. Mickey's a spy for her. She'll take you down. My mom fucking tours Ball Street to make sure that you, and Harbor. Ball and Harbor.

She's right there all day long. You're going to be walking down Main Street and all of a sudden Daisy Duck's going to rip her fucking head off and it's going to be my mom and she's going to come strangling I knew it. I knew it. Mom. I knew it. I knew it. Mom. I have connections. Don't worry.

So at this point, too, he has he starts people around him and people from his life kind of start dragging him down a little bit. There's a guy, his uncle. He's not one of them that really drags him down. But he's got an uncle named Rex, who's his father's younger brother uh rex is only three years older than daryl oh that's weird so yeah rex is very much so everyone thinks they're brothers when they see because they look alike and they look like they're the same age yeah so people just think they're brothers rex is his grandparents oops kid that's yeah he's kind of unfortunate yeah they call him quote good-hearted and well-intentioned

which is like how you explain forrest gump to people you know what i mean whenever you hear that that's good-hearted means that you're of a mental deficiency i believe or incapability and well-intended well-intentioned which also means that he tries but he fucks it up gave it his best yeah we don't expect him to do shit but you know what he's he works hard at it that's he's gonna give it 110 every time he's kind of a dumpy guy they said he's out of a pair they describe him as pear-shaped uh you know he's a little bit heavy set he used to be a good high school football player back in the day this is elderly fucking creates this is yeah creates bad things yeah yeah if you're basically if you're if if you don't have kids when you're 45, and I know if you've been

trying and whatever, and some medical thing has come up and now you can do it, good for you. Right. But don't just, if you have four kids, don't spit another one out at 45. You're good. You've contributed. You're fine. Have that vasectomy at 37.

Yeah. It's enough now. Just stop it. That's enough. That's enough. Matter of fact, once you have like two kids, just get a vasectomy. How's that? Because if you think you're exhausted at 47, have a child that requires extra shit.

Oh, that's great. Let's see how you get through that one. And that's how it always happens to you. So good for you. And then you're going to have that kid until you're 80. So enjoy. You're going to be at high school graduation at 60 fucking five. Yeah.

Oh, boy. Falling asleep and shit during the speeches. God damn. Is it over yet? Where are we? That sounds terrible. So his uncle here is having a bad time of his life right now. He used to work for Lockheed.

He worked there for eight years, and he was married and all this shit. He got laid off from Lockheed, and he's in the middle of a divorce all at the same time. So he kind of just starts sleeping on Daryl's couch or, you know, in Daryl's extra room. He's just kind of moving in and Daryl's helping him, you know,

whatever. He's basically trying to help him put his shit back together as everybody needs when they're going through that, especially if you just lost your job. It's one thing to like either have money and then, you know, divorce or to not have money, but to have a marriage, but to be losing your marriage and then you know divorce or to not have money but to have

a marriage but to be losing your marriage and have no money at the same time is fucking horrible thank god you've got as i did that an nfl playing nephew who's got a pussy train behind him you can just yeah i mean even i didn't have that right i had an air mattress that would slowly deflate when i woke up i'd wake up on the floor it had a slow leak i'd wake up on the floor i go to bed and i found an air mattress i wake up on the floor and I'd be like, my fucking life is horrible. When you wake up in the morning and you evaluate your life, it's much worse if you're evaluating it from a deflated air mattress that was inflated when you went to sleep. And you wonder why it hurts for you to travel on an airplane. Yeah, exactly. No shit.

Yeah. Why am I hurting? I only did that for a year. Your body's breaking down from the hardwood floor you slept on for two hours a night. Fucking horrible. Yeah, for two hours. That's the other thing. Very rarely even sleeping.

I wasn't even sleeping eight hours and it was deflating. Holy shit. That thing must have had a fast leak. So this guy, he's losing his life. It's falling apart fast. But, I mean, at some point, I guaranteed Rex sat there and was like, you know, watching Daryl and sitting in this amazing place. This couch is worth more than the house I was in.

Yeah, this is probably better. He's got ladies coming in now. He's got a separate pussy bat phone. This is fantastic. Even not getting any of the shrapnel that's coming off of this fucking pussy bomb doesn't matter i'd still deal with this over dealing with that pain in the ass wife i had look at me i'm a mess can you imagine the wife that married me there's pussy grenades i could at least throw myself at them yeah imagine this yeah look at me god damn it i'm a little i'm well intentioned and good-hearted think about that you know what that

means probably was way worse than him yeah that's probably's probably. So he now he's got his uncle living with him. He's talking, hanging out with Tracy Donahoe there. He had a meeting with a guy named Gary. His name, they all call him G. Gary G. West. This is in Atlanta. That'll also this is going to be uh another piece to this puzzle here uh because he gets he ends up going to play in a charity basketball game for the Rams he goes to a surprise birthday party for his dad in California as he's leaving California they tell him hey we our guy dropped out of this charity basketball game that the Rams are doing would you mind stepping in we heard you're in town and he goes yeah fuck it why not like he likes basketball

seems like fun he likes being in LA he likes he goes, ah, fuck it. Why not? He likes basketball. Seems like fun. He likes being in LA. He likes being home. So he does it because he moves to Atlanta around this point, too. Atlanta in 93, and they talk about this in the book, why he moved there. Atlanta in 93 was like Mecca of black culture. Atlanta was like, even if you- Yeah, it was Outkast came through.

It was even like gk remember like the early 90s falcons had like dion and mc hammer was hanging out on the sidelines and like a lot of movies back that were like black you know black uh skewed movies were like based in atlanta at the time like atlanta was really a it was a huge black population so obviously that's a part of southern rap was just starting to get like some ground there too and that was like if you were like an upscale and if you had money to not that rap is no no but you know what i mean yeah well yeah i get you like an asshole i get you no you know what you're saying like tracy's parents at this point listen that atlanta with the rap music down there with all those black guys all those black guys and they're rapping uh so yeah he moved down there and it was like if you had money down there there was a lot

of like upscale shit that was made for black people like restaurants and places like that were for upscale fucking black people and it was a different it's just a different environment if you're in la it's not really like that you're just you're hanging out with a bunch of old fucking white people if you want to go to an upscale restaurant you got money you're eating with leonardo dicaprio or some shit like that he's at an event in uh in april 1993 and i'm not sure if this is the basketball game or not i got a little confused on this whole thing but the in april 1993 he's at a an event and uh he's there's a track stadium and he hears someone calling his name and he says the voice sounds familiar so he's looking around in the crowd and he finds in the crowd is willie

mcgowan oh the kid for the guy that he looked up to so much as a kid and all that he said he hadn't seen him in about 15 years uh he said he ran into him briefly at some sort of ucla track meet but he said uh uh daryl daryl said when he approached willie uh willie said quote i should be where you are uh so like it was kind of one of those things like he so he felt kind of weird about the whole interaction and he hadn't really seen him since then it was just a brief thing that'll make you really just take it take stock of fucking who you looked up to you know what what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happened to you, man? That's the thing.

And he said, too, that he said that he apologized. Willie apologized to him for kind of brushing him off like that. He said that he wasn't in a good place back then. He said that he apologized and he was deeply into sports gambling at the time. Oh, no. And just wasn't into it and wasn't in a good place. And he said that if he kept in touch with Darrell, he said that might have been bad for him. And he just didn't want to didn't want to fuck with him.

Basically, he's like, I'm in a bad spot and it's sports gambling and you don't need to know about that shit. And I just figured I'd stay away from you, which seems nice. So they discuss his new business, though. Willie has moved away from the gambling and moved more into the realm of drug dealing lately. And that kind of comes up. He said, though, he said that Willie said that he's done with that now, though. He got into the gambling and then he was doing he was dealing drugs. And now he's into some real estate shit that's like legit.

And he's out of that whole thing. He used his money for good. That's what he's telling Daryl. He also tells Daryl, quote, did you know I've been to every Rams home game since you got drafted? So he's telling him, I've been following you. Call the cops and run, bro. That's a stalker. This sounds disturbing.

But he's his idol. He's his childhood idol. So Daryl's taking this as a compliment. Like, oh, shit, Willie's interested in me. Meanwhile, Willie's just some drug dude who has who fucked his life up and daryl is a successful person and doesn't realize that this is not the same relationship they had when daryl was nine right it's a different thing here willie's doing everything in his power to try to get in touch with daryl to fucking leech onto his yeah his train and he doesn't even understand that and

daryl doesn't see it that way and the fucked up part is even after everything that's going to happen daryl 15 years later still doesn't see it that way he still doesn't think he never thinks that willie was was trying to get his his claws in him right now wow he just thinks that he was just a it just all happened naturally and that this was never willie never planned to involve him in anything, which I think is insanely, I don't want to say ignorant, but naive is the better word. And ignorant. You know what it is? It's fucking stupid.

You know what it is? It's a lack of street smart. It's a lack of street smart. That's what it is. Yeah. That's fucking crazy to not have human interaction enough to know that there are bad people in this world. Well, that and he wants to be.

Yes. It's 1993, man. He wants to be cool. He wants to be on kind of a street scene. And he's not that guy. He's from the suburbs. His parents made him go to fucking Catholic school and he went to football practice and he did groundskeeping and he came home.

He didn't go run the streets. He didn't have any of that. So he doesn't feel like he's got street cred. He feels like he's a dork compared to these guys. He's the dude from 8 Mile that Eminem roasts at the end. That's what I mean. His parents have a real nice marriage. Yeah, Clarence.

Exactly. That's the one. That's the exact thing that's going on here. That's what he is. But he wants to be the tough guy. So he takes Willie out and hangs out with him now. Now he's kind of put Willie in a circle for a minute. And this is going to make him feel cooler.

They go out to a restaurant, and he brings Tracy. Daryl introduces Tracy to Willie. They start talking. He said they hit it off and got along really well. Daryl said he went to talk on his cell phone a few times, and Tracy and Willie were always having a good conversation while he was gone. They didn't sit there uncomfortably. They seemed comfortable with each other.

He said they left the restaurant the first night they hung out and Tracy drove Daryl to his house in her 1986 Toyota Celica, the book says, which is, that's funny for Daryl. He's probably just like, Jesus Christ. It's hilarious that they included that in the book, that he had to give what kind of piece of shit to Daryl. Yeah, I feel like it had to. You had to. It's a good scene setting, though.

Yeah. You're picturing him all decked out in his fancy shit. And he's got jewelry and Carl Canai gear. And he's got really he's got a Mercedes and all this shit. And she's got an 86 Celica, which hunks of shit. Those 80s Celicas. And he's got his pliers to open the door. And she's like, no, no, no.

You got to. No, you're using them wrong. You're using them wrong. He doesn't know how to use vice grips you gotta no you're using them wrong you're using them wrong he doesn't know how to use vice grips yeah you're using them wrong no you don't get it at all so they they leave the restaurant which was a tgi fridays by the way are you serious no that's what they were they were fridays hanging out he is a million he's a millionaire going to tgi fridays and riding there in an 86 Celica. Yeah, that's some sad shit. Maybe he planned on getting hammered.

He was like, you fucking drive. I'm drinking tonight. So they said Willie got in his SUV and took off. Tracy said that they drove, as they were driving away, she asked what Willie did for a living to Daryl. And Daryl said that Willie worked in real estate and traveled uh quote to different states transporting a lot of cash and uh she said okay and that was that what she's 20 years old she doesn't fucking know the difference she's like all right i guess people in real estate bring cash transactions back and forth that's his job the i-10 runs right the fuck through there

what do you think he's doing cash courier is what's going on here. So it's so fucking weird. Tracy says about this time, and a quote later on, quote, we talked about if we were to get married and how we would raise our kids. I also told him how unhappy I was with my job at Zendejas. She was a waitress at a restaurant because they made very little cheerleading. It was like $40 a game. She drives an 86 Celica, James. I know she's broke.

She's fucking broke. She said this is when he suggested maybe I could work for Willie. He explained to me that I would be paid $300 to $400. I would carry a suitcase filled with a lot of cash. I told him that that was a lot of money to do something so easy. He said he could talk to Willie to see if he needed me to work for him. He also said that Willie paid people well so they wouldn't be tempted to run off with the money. Or tell the fucking police. Or tell the cops, because clearly this is not legal.

Anytime anyone gives you a bunch of money to hand something to someone else, whatever's in there is not legal, I'm going to assume. they're giving you that kind of money because you're risking your fucking freedom otherwise they just hire fedex that's the thing it's a lot cheaper he'd just do it himself here you go dude here's that cash i owe you thanks and then get back on the plane and drive away fucking fly away that'd be the end of it you wouldn't need that the subterfuge would not be necessary she's dumb she i don't know that she's dumb. She's naive as fuck. She just really wants to believe in this relationship and wants him. And a few extra hundred bucks to just go do something like that.

It's not like they said, we're going to give you two kilos of Coke and you're going to bring it here. They were just like, just a suitcase with cash for a real estate deal. Just move it for me. It's basically like, we'll talk about it, but it's kind of, Willie explains it as it's basically like we'll talk about it but it's kind of it's he willie explains it as it's marginally legal like it's not real it's just a tax issue is all that it really is good fuck so uh yeah so they paid people well so they wouldn't run off uh daryl explained that it was easier for young white people to do this because black people look suspicious at airports which i was like okay what he says is uh it's easier for white people to do

this because uh black people get pulled over by the police a lot no if you're gonna have anybody do anything illegal a 20 year old blonde white girl who's a pretty and a bram's cheerleader that's the one to do it she's the least likely to get fucked with other than a 92 year old woman you know fucking with an oxygen tank that'd be the only the only other person less likely to get fucked with and and she doesn't even need that oxygen tank that oxygen tank is just packed with cash that's all it is she just keeps it there and breathes in the smell of cash over makes her feel good keeps her sustained keeps her alive so she said i asked if i was in any danger and i remember him kind of laughing he said no not at all how could you be in any danger unless you tell people you have tell people you have a lot of cash in your bag?

Why else would they know? He explained that I would fly out in the morning and back at night. It sounded easy and good to me. Jesus Christ. I don't know about that. It's at this time, too, where he starts to kind of change his personal habits as well. He was very studious before in his workouts and keeping maintaining a certain weight and muscle

because he'll get skinny if he doesn't keep his shit up. He'll lose weight. He's a small guy. Metabolism. Yeah, and he's a small dude that has to keep, it takes a lot for him to keep weight and muscles on. So he said at this point, he'd stop doing all the extra workouts

he would force himself to do. He would run sprints like when no one else was around, extra work, and he wouldn't do any of that anymore. He kind of, you know, he kind of stopped doing the extra weight room work. All the extras he was doing to make a guy who's physically not as big as the other guys to make him be able to be a legitimate player, all that shit he stopped doing at this point. So that's kind of rough here because he's still got speed but you know it doesn't matter uh but he said uh

he was starting for the rams he said thought to himself that he didn't really need to work at it as much as he used to because he's a starter now like he's not trying to break through it would be like if we were like we're happy we have some people listening let's just skate right let's just do shit shows i don't care and fuck it yeah what's the difference they'll stick around yeah no no no no so you got to get better and better and better uh but he said he he was believing his own hype kind of a thing he said he started hanging out late at night he said first it was till midnight then midnight became one and became two pretty soon it was 4 a.m and you'd catch a few hours of sleep and uh go through two hours of practice

and then go home and take a nap and shit like that so just a different lifestyle before he'd come home go to bed wake up early do his workouts get ready regimented now he's like out drinking he comes home he's fucking off uh he says as a matter of fact he says in their own words quote and when you go out and you're hanging out at two, three, four in the morning, every single morning, you're going to attract people of all types. I don't care who you are. I don't care how straightened you are. If you choose to hang out in this type of atmosphere, then people are going to come.

They're going to flock to you. And for the most part, you do a good job staying clear of situations. But then there are those that just sneak up on you. And that's what happens here. That's the big deal here uh and he's right like we've said no matter your fault or not if someone just comes up out of nowhere and pummels you in a bar at two in the morning 50 your fault don't care if you've never set eyes on that person before you're there at two in the morning you fucking know that everyone there's an asshole at two in the morning so your fault it's like driving and getting in an accident you didn't have a license you don't have insurance

it's not your card you shouldn't have been there you probably shouldn't have been driving somebody made a left turn doesn't matter why the fuck were you there they only they made that left turn because you shouldn't have existed on the road they didn't see you because they didn't know that you didn't have a license and insurance and that wasn't your fucking car right need to drive so he hears at that point willie tells him quote uh i got something big in the works and this is how it all started the whole money thing i got something big in the works uh but i can't invest in it i can't get it started because i can't move my money from place to place as easily as you can he tells daryl thisl. This is how this whole thing started. Daryl says, laughing, quote,

you trying to launder some money? And he's just laughing, he's whatever. Willie says, quote, nah, it ain't like that. I'm talking about people taking it on a plane, moving it from one spot to another. Daryl asked him, is that legal? And he said, well, I ain't exactly paid taxes on it. So he's like, you know, it's sort of that.

He said, but if the right person is carrying it uh she won't even get looked over looked at twice he said who you got in mind daryl did and willie grinned and daryl said that's who i thought they're talking about tracy she's the perfect one for this uh she uh willie says quote i remember you telling me she's broke and how she's always complaining about how she hates waitressing. So Daryl said, quote, you talk to her about it. And he said, I was hoping you would. And that's the conversation we talked about. Tracy discussed. She said, quote, you're sure we're talking about money now is what Daryl said.

Like, you're not transporting fucking drugs here because Willie had been in the past with that. And Willie said, that's all he's talking about is money. It's nothing else. No, just just money back and forth. Yeah, that's all well and talking about is money it's nothing else no just just money back and forth yeah that's all well and good but where's that's not the question you ask you go where the fuck is the money from where's his money from which they're not too overly concerned with that right and uh he's just concerned with being caught with possession of cash which isn't i mean and really a guy of his stature who's got millions of dollars, I mean, arguably,

he could. He has a reason to be in possession of lots of cash. Yeah. It could fly. That's what he could say. He could say, I'm moving it here. I want to go put it in a safe in my house that I have over here. I work for the Rams.

I'm a Rams player. I've got a lot of this. You could do that. Well, she's going to go alone, though. He doesn't want to be. So it's just going to be a 19-year-old girl. They just figure nobody will fuck with her. In a Celica.

In a Celica. That a ram's cheerleader i would hope and a waitress is in dejas yeah well they just they just think they won't search her back which they probably should any of these they're the ones who are transporting shit right they're the ones so uh they they uh tracy obviously reacted positively to this like we said uh she wanted to make three300 or $400. The first flight, her flight would be from L.A. to Memphis, and all Daryl had to do was guarantee her delivery, which basically Daryl would have to come up with $100,000

in the event that something happened to Tracy's suitcase between the time that Willie gives it to her and the time she gives it to Gary West in Memphis. Okay. So the deal is she gets on a plane that they probably paid for. She flies to Memphis and they're going to give her three, four hundred dollars. For flying to Memphis. And that deal is backed up and insured by a hundred grand from me. From Daryl.

Go fuck yourself. From Daryl. That's a shit deal. Yeah. He's like huh basically he was kind of wondering about that but it's so funny they they talk about and in the book they talk about this a lot they talk about the fact that for daryl he's always been ribbed by teammates for being a square he's always been fucking all right everybody's called him a dork oh you went

to catholic school you did this and that your parents fucking took like i am gangster so yeah he literally said fuck man like i could do something here i'm gonna back a 300 deal with a hundred grand yeah with a hundred grand he said that he compared he compared this this this time in his life to drive to driving drunk yeah he said quote you know you need to call somebody or whatever because you can't drive you can't you can you even entertain the disaster possibilities but you go against that you too you're too drunk to get in that car but you get in anyway and something tragic happens and he said uh from the beginning of the month when everything was fine till the 15th uh that's when the downward spiral happened so fast and it really fucking does 15 days uh it's fucking crazy now henley also said this was only a few weeks and he says it wasn't uh he didn't think this was like a big deal he

was just hanging out with a couple people that were he thought were his friends they're old friends of his and he didn't realize that he says quote for all intents and purposes they were my friends i mean they made me laugh They came over and we kicked it. They came and watched me work out. If they didn't want to work out, they didn't want to do the job. They'd just drive alongside me in my Mercedes when I ran, you know, whatever that I wanted them to do. So he just had a bunch of lackeys.

They'd come hang out at his house. He had a nice house. You know, this is what entourage, this is his little entourage. He's just formed here. Well, I run, they drive. His hangar's on. Yeah, that's all it is. There are scumbags of life that just won't go away because he's got money.

That's what it is. And he says, too, he liked it. He thought it was cool. He said he had a different connection with these guys than he did with the Rams because he said this was the time when all of his friends on the Rams were getting traded away and shit like that. So he's like, he just didn't have the same connections with people in football that he used to so he said he felt close to these people they're from where he grew up he knew them when they was younger all of these things bad rules this is how gangs start it's so hard because and this goes for anybody this goes for just as much for a person if you grow up in a really really shitty

area and then you make it yeah and then would you supposed to turn your back on these people and you know and then they call you an asshole but if you don't then you are an asshole because people are trying to drag you down it's fucking we get it with fucking comedians even and we're not on the nfl by any stretch but they're like ah they're too And it's like, no, we're just busy for you. I don't know you. And we're busy. I'm not coming to your fucking open mic. No.

Because you need another comic. Yeah. And that sounds fucking terrible. Yeah, sorry. So then we're the assholes. I'd rather record a podcast where people actually listen. Yeah. So then we're the assholes.

Right. But we're smart. And we're not doing that bullshit. But he is doing it. He's going to the open mic, Darryl. He's going to the open mic. He's like, my buddy needs me to go there for the open mic. Cause you know,

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And he thought it was nothing was wrong with the whole thing. He said, quote, Ultimately, I'm the one that's responsible for what's happened to my life. But I do think 90 percent of it is due to the choices I made as far as associations that I picked or chose. do think 90 of it is due to the choices i made as far as associations that i picked or chose associations with people who uh who at some point i knew didn't have the same interest that i did and when you uh compromise that and you allow yourself to lose focus things can spiral downward and you can find yourself in a situation where as hard as you try you can't pull yourself up he's an articulate motherfucker too that's the other thing that pisses me off it's like you're too smart for this dummy you're too fucking, you're too smart for this, dummy. You're too fucking smart.

You're too smart for this, dummy. Yeah, exactly. That is a great statement. It's so true. We're going to say that quite often. You're too smart for this dummy moment of the fucking week. Jesus Christ. So at this point, too, he says, quote, I kept two phone lines in the condo because I still had still had women calling me from California and other places.

He had Tracy who would call. He had this other one that he would call. There's another woman named Jennifer Wilson who was moved into his house and his condo with her daughter. And he was taking care of her. And he had all these women. Sounds exhausting. It sounds fucking exhausting he went from having a very simple life where he woke up worked out now he's got all these friends

and there's money going to airports and he's got all these ladies women living with him with juggling and extra phone lines and this is nuts shit is crazy uh july 15th 1993 is kind of when things really hit the fan uh He's with this Jennifer woman. He wakes up next to her in his condo here in Atlanta. And he says hello. And Willie is on the phone. Willie says, quote, come get your truck, man. I'm in the wind.

See you in the next life. Not what you want to hear when you wake up. So Daryl said, huh? What the fuck happened now like what is going on he says quote the keys are under the left front fender they got her she got popped so daryl obviously said where is she yeah and willie says feds got her oh no so daryl goes oh shit what the fuck he said now that he's got this woman next to him going what's going on and he's going um never mind shut up go back to sleep so daryl said quote so you're just gonna leave her because she got caught and uh willie

says hell yeah i'm just gonna leave her i know that bitch quote i ain't trying to be no hero yo if she pages you do not call her back that's what he says so daryl says you got to come over here man and uh and uh and daryl says you're really to come over here, man. And Daryl says, you're really going to leave her. You're really just going to leave her in jail. And Daryl said he could hear Willie thinking on the other end. He said he knew Willie wasn't a piece of shit. So he was trying to guilt trip him. And Willie said that he'd be over in a minute and hung up the phone.

So not a good thing to wake up to. I'm in the wind, man. See you in the next life. I'm in the wind. See you in the next life. I'm in the wind. That white girl got busted later. Huh? Back it up like five steps. What the fuck is going on here? The problem was here that when she landed in Atlanta, DEA agents were sitting there waiting to talk to her. Already waiting?

Yes. So she had like a layover in Atlanta and was going to go on to Memphis. Is that what it is? Yeah. So, yeah. And she disavowed the, she said the suitcase wasn't hers, even though she had checked it with the airline. She said, that's not my suitcase. I don't know what you're talking about. Someone must have checked it in under my name. I don't know anything about that. Okay.

So they let her leave the airport and then they got a search warrant to examine the contents of the suitcase and they found something very interesting in there. They found about 26 and a half pounds of cocaine oh no that is not some cash that's yeah 12 kilos that is holy shit it's not some cash that you haven't quite paid taxes on that's a fuckload of cocaine eventually it'll turn into cash it'll grow if you plant it a little put a little water on it money will grow out of that plant that in the at Atlanta club scene, and you're about to have a huge money tree. Absolutely.

And then later that day, because she left, and she was like, well, I can't just leave it there. Later that day, she goes back to the airport. What are you doing? She's like, they must have left by now. I'm sure they forgot about that. Goes back to claim the bag, and they were obviously still waiting for her. And it's when they arrested her. So they talk to her.

They say that that was worth about $250,000, which she was carrying. So it was a lot of cash. She tells federal agents that Daryl had approached her earlier in the year with an offer to make her money by transporting cash and suitcases for Willie McGatty. She gives it up immediately. She is not a hardened gangster. She's not going to sit there like Junior Soprano looking off into the distance going going i want to talk to my lawyer at the fun she's like well this is what happened let me hold on you have a pen let me write this down for you are you recording this because this is all very important so uh do i get my 300 dollars are you guys giving me the 300 now

meanwhile willie is a cheap cunt uh to force somebody to do something like that for 300 bucks. 12 kilos for 300 bucks. 250 grand for 300 bucks. Come on. If you watch fucking narcos, they took care of people. That's how people wanted to help them and do shit. And the mafia, they took care of people. That's why they wanted to help them do shit.

Unbelievable. Jesus, this is fucking terrible. I used to pay crooked cops three grand a month to fucking just to look the other way and to tell them when indictments were coming down and shit i didn't really know that she got caught so fast she he was with he would travel with her oh shit what he would do to test it he would travel he would go like three rows behind her and sit in the plane and say you don't know me we don't know each other and then they'd walk off that way he felt like he was kind of protecting the whole thing. And then she would take it somewhere and they'd meet up, take the money. And that was that.

So that was the plan anyway. So, yeah, they said that the indictment says that this indictment for this said that Henley asked Donahoe to meet McGowan at his home in Brea when they were in California on July 2nd and carry a suitcase from Burbank to Memphis. on July 2nd and carry a suitcase from Burbank to Memphis. And apparently in Memphis, Donahoe met with one of the other guys there, drove her to an apartment where she gave the suitcase to somebody else, and then they put her on another plane back to California, and they did it again the next day. The problem here was they bought a one-way ticket with cash and if you buy a one-way

ticket with cash that's a red flag for some sort of activity that's not uh wholesome makes sense terrorism drug trafficking that's all that shit is one way with cash so that makes sense uh they also said that that the uh indictment says that that henley paid her a thousand dollars for delivering the suitcase so somehow the money got upped in here there's a thing to her raise yeah a little bit of a raise good at this she's not bad the weird thing is too she like like daryl talks about how he was like kind of pissed off at willie a little bit because there was a time where she went to memphis and uh she was supposed to like stay there and wait till somebody else came in the next day to drop the shit off to them.

But they didn't book her a hotel ahead of time. And it was Fourth of July weekend. She's a diva. So she called and she said, what am I supposed to do? All the hotels are sold out. I'm sitting here with this suitcase. Where the fuck am I supposed to be? And they were like, you didn't book her a hotel ahead of time, you dumb fuck.

What a dummy. So, yeah, it was that sort of thing. So it wasn't a real smooth operation, we'll say here. Book her a hotel. I'm giving her $300. Fuck a dummy. So, yeah, it was that sort of thing. So it wasn't a real smooth operation, we'll say here. Book her a hotel. I'm giving her $300. Fuck a hotel. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, really.

She's doing this for damn near nothing. Why am I going to pay a hotel and be out more money? Yeah. And the funny thing is, Tracy and Daryl really, in the last month and a half, really just started having sex. They knew each other for months. They went on a trip to Vegas where they they finally had sex why does he treat her like this it's so weird i don't know if he i don't know what where what happened with this guy but at

some point he started thinking i mean with the ladies he said i like to go out i like to be single i like to have a lot of girlfriends i like to fuck around on him and he didn't feel bad about that shit that was just the way he was tied down to anybody he's single he's not married and shit but he's still to treat people like uh they're nothing to use them to take bags across the country and they and you're all especially when you're doing it because you know how they feel about you right you know they actually like you and have feelings for you and you're taking advantage of them that's shitty there's zero benefit for him. Do you know what I mean?

In the end of it, he's giving her a job and then backing it with $100,000. He's just going to get that $100,000 back. There's no benefit at all for him. Why does he treat people like assholes for no benefit? He's trying to help Willie. He's a cunt. Nothing in it for him. Trying to help Willie, which is kind of bullshit i think well it's funny he got fucked over in this case where he did something

he shouldn't have done and whatever and we'll talk about all that but then later on he dives in head first on his own oh boy uh but he's also saying you know he didn't the thing with tracy also he liked the alissa girl so he didn't really want to get involved with tracy that much because he actually liked alissa as a serious relationship he said his family liked her and he was into her so he's sacrificing her and and putting her in this situation just to be friends with Willie just to be friends with Willie yeah to help Willie because he idolized Willie that's gross so weird he's got a really he's got an ego like a he's got he's a narcissist with a small ego it's like a weird thing like hung up

on the approval of this dirtbag yeah that's what it is still like it's like he's 10 years old still uh now 93 season this is the summer of 93 93 season he plays football he's fine uh yeah he plays uh only plays in four games or if only plays five games starts four of them as we'll talk about why in a moment here uh doesn't have any any interceptions he does have a fumble recovery and uh 14 tackles uh the rams go 5 and 11 that year so they remain shitty yeah with chuck knox at the helm they do not go to the playoffs obviously uh but the problem is all that happened in july uh two months after all this happens uh daryl is now aware of the criminal investigation because tracy cooperated and he didn't fucking know that at first so all this is now there's a big criminal investigation

into him and into this whole network yeah so it's it's it's interesting daryl goes to the police himself to report an extortion attempt against him he says that he was threatened at gunpoint at the rams practice facility in Anaheim. He said that three men stole his car and a nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol inside and said the two men allegedly threatened him. Apparently, one of these men who threatened him, who he alleges threatened him, was found shot to death later on that afternoon. Oh, shit. So that's an odd thing. This just got deep. It got super deep, was found shot to death

now they they investigate the claims and everything and they end up uh they end up not finding any substantiating evidence for that but they do find a shitload more evidence about his involvement in this cocaine ring that they're that they look into more like we're not sure about the extortion but we let's discuss this cocaine that we have an issue with. October 9th, 1993. This is about five games into the season. This is the end of his season here. Search warrant affidavits by the Orange County Register gets a hold of them.

They allege that Henley and Tracy were involved in a more elaborate network than they originally had thought or that Tracy had said or that she knew about for that matter. That's what it is. They said that Henley's under investigation for his role in the drug ring. It's been linked to execution style slayings and death threats against other people. The DEA spokesman here confirmed the probe. He said, quote, he's under investigation for trafficking drugs. The press couldn't reach anybody here. They search his Brea house and a Rancho Cucamonga home of a Rafael Bustamante, who's another person in this drug ring. And Daryl Henley's got a three-bedroom, 2,500-square-foot home that they allege is the hub of the operation, with distribution points in Memphis, Tennessee and Atlanta. Also, Henley's uncle Rex.

No. His older uncle was a key player in the network because he was just there and had nothing else going on. It's just bad timing that he got laid off and divorced at the same time and got into that and they need extra people. And like, well, fuck, Rex is just sitting here. You can hand this to him and tell him to go here. Wouldn't you know it?

He's kind-hearted. And he's good intentioned. He's well-intentioned and good-hearted. So he's like, I'll give a suitcase. That's fine. Great guy to work in your drug ring. Yeah, no shit. So they also have the homicide detectives have linked the killing of a drug runner named manning uh to this ring as well uh quote eric manning and willie

mcgowan and daryl henley were involved in drug trafficking together is what the homicide statement uh said so their guests are accusing them it could also be other people other drug dealers suppliers it's a dirty business who the fuck knows who killed anybody it all comes around to the same people it always wraps around to the same shit. It's true. And then Bustamante is the supplier for the Coke ring, and he surrenders on October 1st, and they charge him with an effort to extort an unpaid. Turns out being held up at gunpoint and having your car stolen wasn't just random. It's an unpaid drug debt that they're pissed off at so they went and

fucking robbed him at gunpoint you mean like 250 000 worth of coke that was like something like that or just it could have been another because this was in october this was later on that he surrendered so who knows when this occurred uh it's fucking insane the whole thing's nuts uh so yeah they said july 15th the whole thing stems from buying a one-way ticket paid with cash, and they thought she looked nervous while she did it. So you look nervous, you pay with cash, and you fly one way. Let's talk. Don't have coke in your suitcase.

So, wow. Once the criminal investigation was public and homicide detectives were publicly saying there's a homicide connected to this man's drug ring. He stopped playing football for the year. The Rams requested and received a roster exemption and got to sign a free agent named Wyman Henderson, who I think played for the Broncos for a while. Henley was earning about $275,000 that year, and he is actually paid during this leave. Really? So he leaves the team because he's under a drug investigation, and he is paid for that by the NFL.

Wow. If you can't stop payment for behavior detrimental to the team, what can you do? If you can't stop it for this? But if they do that, then they have to admit that it happened. That's a good point. Otherwise, they can hope it goes away. That's what they're trying to do. They just don't want the bad pub, and they're just paralyzed by what the fuck do we do so uh ram safety michael stewart said that

the losing henley is quote almost like losing a brother you lose a brother and naturally it's going to have an impact on you they've played together for years uh this is fucking nuts so december 7th 1993 tracy makes a court appearance uh after there's a federal indictment uh charging her with acting as a courier in the nationwide drug ring she pleads not guilty and was kept out of custody after her father who's a retired police officer from los angeles county and racist as fuck and racist as all fuck whoa yeah if the mother's like that imagine what the father's like a cop cop from L.A. County? Crazy.

A county? Back then? Oh, boy. Oh, my Christ. Yeah. The way it's so racist, the wife even got racist. Yeah. It was sexually transmitted.

Yeah. He jammed a racist dick in her. And then all of a sudden. N-words started flying. N-words and chinky chong music. Oh, you know. She can't say enough racist shit. Oh, you throw an Asian in front of her.

Oh, my God. Forget about it. She just goes, you're not from here. That's all she says. Her favorite phrase is, go back to your country. She says it to anybody that's less than white. No speaky. That's what she says. So this guy, her father signed a $25,000 surety bond that will be forfeited if she doesn't make court appearances.

So like we said, she's charged with felony, one felony count of cocaine possession and another count of conspiring to operate a narcotics network and with several others like Henley. Henley also pleads not guilty to the same charges in his court appearance. He's released on $200,000 bail, despite the prosecutors not wanting him released at all uh donahoe uh said that she thought she was transporting large sums of money in court obviously is what she says now during this whole time now tracy's cooperating but they have to go through the motions that they're going to charge her and treat her like everybody else even though they're not uh once she was arrested by the way she uh she uh resigned as

a member of the cheerleading squad of the rams that was the day it's weird when your cheerleaders are being heckled that's not normal all right uh pre-trial services report recommended that donahoe not be taken into custody and the judge agreed because she's not really a danger to anybody and she was kind of the just a pawn in this whole thing here but also the linchpin that brought the whole fucking thing down that's the yeah she really did you gotta be nice to her she fucked the whole thing up and she's cooperating and they said quote donahue donahoe has cooperated fully with pre-trial services subsequent to her arrest and release in atlanta her mother and father are both in court as they're trying to say let her fucking go

jesus christ they're burning a cross out front yeah they're burning a cross they're mad they had to come to atlanta they said there's too many goddamn black people there i don't know what's happening of all places to break a crime you do it in this place you couldn't have gone to north dakota there's no goddamn darkies everywhere you came to place blacklanta? What's wrong with you? Jesus Christ. I'm the fucking Chocolate City? I don't think so. So, yeah, she's doing all that shit. They're in the indictment along with Rafael Bustamante, Alejandro Figueroa Cuevas, and James Timothy Sines. Those are the people threatened to kill Henley.

That's an awful lot of Central American names. Yeah. Well, those are the suppliers. Those are the three guys that stuck him up. All's an awful lot of Central American names. Yeah. Well, those are the suppliers. Those are the three guys that stuck him up. All right. Those are the Colombian fellas. Yeah. So they're not only indicted for trying to extort him and all that, but they're also

co-defendants of his in a different case. Incredible. This is a fucking disaster. Yeah. Bustamante, they identify as the kingpin here, kind of the supplier of everything. Court records here show that Cuevas was a friend of Henley's. They're the ones that stole his 1992 Lexus 400 SE and his gun. Now, Manning was shot to death.

The guy we talked about, one of the robbers was shot to death outside his apartment, and nine-millimeter shell casings were found around there. The murder weapon was gone, but they're pretty sure that it was a good chance it was Daryl Henley's gun that killed him. So that's not something you want. Also charged are Gary West, G that we talked about, who's also known as Charles Williams. He's in Tennessee in prison for something else. Willie McGowan is also there as well. As we know, he's in there. They are all just in to plea. The Cuevas, Sainz, and Bustamante face up to 20 years in prison

and $250,000 fine each on the extortion charges. Bustamante is also up for life if he's convicted on the drug charges. He's got a whole bunch. Like we said life if he's convicted on the drug charges. Oh, my God. He's got a whole bunch. Like we said, Henley's released on $200,000 bail, but his uncle had his bail set at $500,000. Rex is more important. He was handling more of the drugs, and I guess Henley's more, I would think he's a greater flight risk. He's got fucking more money, like real money that's you know can be shown on the

books it's liquid uh yeah uh uh roger kosak daryl henley's uh attorney said quote i don't know anything about the prior records about anybody else but daryl henley's never been in trouble in all his life because they're they're listing everybody else's charges forever saying why they shouldn't be released then they get to him and he's never been arrested in his life and they're like you know this fucking guy is not these people. He said, quote, he's been active in charity work and for the past 10 months

has been terrific in terms of making court appearances and keeping in touch with pretrial services. And a condition of his bail is that he not travel outside Central District of California, which even includes different Southern California counties

he's not allowed to go for. Cossack said he'll wait for a modification of bail conditions that allows Henley to travel with the team. They're still talking about football. Get out of here. Quote, I can't say anyone's saying that this guy's a flight risk. He'll be surrounded by 100 people and millions will be watching him on television every Sunday. It's hard for me to think that the court would not allow Daryl Henley to make a living.

Where do you start there? Where do you even start with that? It's ridiculous. So the team officials, they didn't make a statement, but an NFL spokesman said the league had been notified and had nothing to say about Henley's indictment. This is so funny because now they'd have a lot to say about it. Oh boy, would they?

Willie Flipper Anderson had something to say about Henley's indictment. This is so funny because now they'd have a lot to say about it. Oh boy, would that. Willie Flipper Anderson had something to say about it. He said, I can't believe I'm not on the Dolphins. He said, quote, I can't imagine it. Being the athletes we are and making the money we do, it's hard to see anybody getting involved in something like that. It's a shame. And they played together at UCLA, too, for a year. They crossed over.

Donna Ho ends up pleading guilty at the end of this to uh to uh conspiracy to transport cocaine and uh she is going to testify against everybody else so obviously their lawyers all say she can't be trusted because she's only testifying against everybody else so that makes her unreliable august 9th 1994 okay so that was december august 9th, 1994. Okay, so that was December. August 9th, 1994, Darryl Henley rejoins the LA Rams. Get out. But his case is still going. It's not over, and he's there.

It's fucking insane. I mean, according to the Constitution, you're innocent until proven guilty. So this is the right path. It's just fucking not there. It's just super weird. He said, quote, my client, his lawyer said, quote, my client is not facing a mandatory minimum 10 year sentence. And yet he's at Metropolitan Detention Center in Los Angeles.

I'm having some difficulty with this. They ended up letting him out and letting him play. Not only that, all of these other people he's released last week. Everybody else is still in jail waiting for their trials to begin. They're not out. They don't have the money for the bail, number one, and they all have criminal records. They're also not NFL players. They're also not NFL players.

That's a good point here. Quote, one defense attorney said, quote, there's been a real disparity in treatment of this case. Daryl Henley is clearly a celebrity who's been in the limelight, and although nobody is saying it, his case has been handled differently. That's one of the other people's defense attorneys which makes sense henley's attorney defended this treatment saying that he poses no risk and he's not like the others because he doesn't have a long criminal record which also makes sense uh they uh wait till you get a load of the oj trial boys oh but we're going to talk about that for a second too here we're definitely going to have to talk about that because they go on their trials go on at the same time.

Is that right? Both in LA and have very different results because they're in very different places. So 1994, he plays, he starts 14 games for the Rams while this is all going on. He's still playing football. No, or three interceptions.

He has a fucking good year. Three interceptions. Are you kidding me? Not even thinking about coach. Jesus fucking no. 61 tackles, three interceptions. It's as good a year as he's ever had like that's insanity the rams go four and twelve though because they're terrible obviously uh that year uh so that's that is the last though he's going to play football uh but we'll talk about uh his uh he also returned some

kicks that year fucking silly so rock a guy named chuck miller who i assume is a coach he actually played with henley at ucla was asked how he thought uh henley became to be involved in a scheme to transport cocaine around the country he said quote any black this is a black guy by the way very important that this is a black man saying this quote any black athlete can tell you that he knows a drug dealer when you hit it big the first thing they uh come to you at come at you with is loan me some money i'll pay you back that's just anybody who's poor who grows up around a lot of people who are poor it doesn't have to be a black guy no no that guy is just fucking i think he's just black and that's his experience but i but that's anybody who grows up poor they tend to have people around them that are like oh you have money now right let me have

some of it you know because poor people don't generally hang out with a bunch of rich people that's different yeah betting on the fact that one day they're gonna be rich too and usually doesn't happen that's the rich people get the fuck out of here riffraff plus you can't afford to do anything with that either i've had that experience before i can't afford to be friends with people like we're gonna go to the lake bro you coming i'll come with you that's fine i can't afford any of the stuff that goes with you though yeah no we're gonna get this houseboat you just gotta chip in like 750 no what was that beer and food and no no i got a beer yeah you've got food i'll be all right i'm just gonna stay home how's that you send me like pictures of that shit and show me how it was let me know how it goes so january 28th 95 the trial begins and it's the same time as the oj

trial only oj takes case in la county downtown yeah and he gets a jury with some black people So January 28th, 95, the trial begins. And it's the same time as the OJ trial. Only OJ takes case in L.A. County downtown. And he gets a jury with some black people on it. And this takes place in Orange County. And he gets a jury with fucking white people on it. All of Tracy's parents' friends. Oh, and Tracy's parents. Yeah, she's whispering. Tracy's mom is probably on the jury of this case, even though her daughter's involved in it.

Oh, Jesus. So there's eight people. mom is probably on the jury of this case even though her daughter's involved in it oh jesus so uh there's eight people uh four of the uh four of them are co-defendants and they're all uh they're each represented by a different attorney uh the prosecutors they make out make henley out to be a sinister motherfucker yeah uh they say in their opening statements that he uh seduced the 19 year old donahue with his celebrity status expensive trips and money and seduced the 19-year-old Donahue with his celebrity status, expensive trips and money, and seduced her into transporting cocaine. That was the plan all along as he was looking to recruit a young girl to do this.

Meanwhile, I don't think that was right. They say that he paid her more than $1,000 to carry suitcases and said it was, quote, real estate money when it was actually cocaine. thousand dollars to carry suitcases and said it was quote real estate money when it was actually cocaine uh they said that donahoe was hooked adding she'd do anything for daryl henley the football star this was much more exciting than her job at the local pancake house this is so they're making him out to be a fucking just a fucking monster he's just going around trolling he's like a pimp that's flipping a coin and shooting on a toothpick that's who he is like and throwing these women to the wolves that's all it is so uh they said that henley functioned as a front man for the drug ring who would he'd guarantee the supplier returns on the

cocaine because he had money in the bank uh they had a network of phone bills tolls hotel records plane tickets wire transfers car rental receipts all with all the connect henley with all the other defendants obviously because one would rent it and he'd pay for it or something like that uh the the prosecutor said quote these people left paper trails all over the place well yeah when you got a money man he's using his credit card to buy shit this is a terrible terribly set up drug operation. It sounds like Rex was the man that brains behind it. Yeah, Rex was like, I got an idea. They're like, we know you're good hearted, Rex, but maybe you shouldn't be setting up drug operations.

We could use y'all's credit cards. We'll just do that. No shit. Now, Rams, what he says here, Henley, he's got a different thing. He says, his attorney says, that he is the victim of an elaborate frame-up job by Tracy and her parents, who are racist. Did we tell you that? Of course, that's right. So, elaborate frame-up job.

She was transporting cocaine for somebody else, and they said, we'll blame Daryl, and they had made up this entire paper trail and all. This is not a likely story here. What a bad fucking lawyer. Why don't you just say he was blinded by the fact that he loved a man and the man told him that it was all real estate. Just stick with that fucking story. That makes sense.

They had to make it try to make it worse than it is. They said that she pleaded guilty. So she she's just trying to stay out of prison. So they can't. They can't. She can't be trusted. Daryl's attorney said, quote, There is a conspiracy in this case. A nasty, nasty one.

Two nasties. The conspiracy was formed in the Donahoe household to frame Daryl Henley and save their daughter. And then a lightning strike. Did Trump tweet that? What the fuck, man? Like, seriously, that. That's just like... Nasty, nasty. It's double nasty.

A nasty, nasty one. A conspiracy was formed in this household to prevent me from being president. What the fuck is going on? All it needed at the end was sad. Sad, yeah. With an exclamation point. To save their daughter. Sad.

Sad they'd want to save their daughter. Unbelievable. So, Cossack said that Henley's only friends with his co-dependents. This is what is a co-dependents. Co-defendents. Same thing. His lawyer says that.

He said he never participated in the drug conspiracy. They said that Henley's signature was forged on certain receipts, and he didn't know who forged them, obviously. There's no accusation there, but definitely a forgery. That wrecks, damn it. People thought they were brothers.

They say that Henley is being framed by Donahoe's father, Terry, who's a former police officer. Under his direction, Terry and Donahoe embellished her story several times, inventing charges against Henley in hopes of winning a greatly reduced sentence for her crime. Oh, my God. Cossack said that Terryry donahoe told authorities quote if we have to give up daryl henley we will well yeah that when she got arrested he probably said what does my daughter have to do to get out of prison give up the guy we don't give a fuck who's the guy yeah exactly and then the dad and mom gave a an n-word laden fucking confession some other people are going to say the n-word in a minute here oh it's coming good christ

so uh they portrayed him as a model citizen daryl his lawyers did they said he was a student athlete maintained a b average all america football player uh that henley was shocked when he learned that tracy'd been arrested for transporting cocaine couldn't imagine quote daryl henley is a young man who but for this has the world by the tail. Now, if convicted, he could be sentenced to up to life in prison and fined $4 million. She is going to testify. One of the attorneys working on Henley's defense when he went on trial said that Henley was motivated. This is later on after the trial. He says he was motivated by vanity and cool.

to the trial he says he was motivated evaded by vanity and cool he said he was brought up by educated uh and educated in parochial schools and he craved the excitement uh with drug dealers and just the general street shit here he was bored to james he was bored by success he was bored by it he literally was he had nothing else going on they said that all of the other defendants had rap sheets and previous drug convictions except for him and his uncle Rex, who is characterized. Jesus H. Christ. Characterized as a, quote, dimwitted bystander. This retard. Which translates from good hearted.

It means dimwitted bystander. Jesus Christ. But I thought he was the kingpin you guys he was the his bail is higher than the guy that you're painting to be an absolute monster yeah yeah you're saying that this that you're calling a guy retarded first of all don't don't beat around the bush just stay it just say yeah just say he's a little slow sorry jesusiculous. So they are all convicted, by the way, on every count on this. They're all convicted March 28th, 95. He says, Darrell says about this, that he was just trying to be a financial, silent financial insurance for McGowan.

He said that, quote, I was just trying to help Willie out. I said I would be there for him if anything went wrong. I wasn't seeing any financial gain from this, which Willie was fucking seeing financial gain from him. Crazy. Now, for the appeal of this, this is when it gets interesting because that's pretty cut and dry and whatever. This is when it gets interesting. A month after all this, a juror named, wow, Brian Q. Hughes, Q.

U. I. H. U. I. S. Nope. Q.

Hughes. Q. Hughes. Brian. Juror Brian contacted the court and reported he'd been the subject of a bribery attempt orchestrated by daryl henley and another juror michael malchow malachowski uh so that this is brian in the oc they tried to bribe they tried to bribe a juror uh may 8th 1995 they uh the appellants they filed a joint motion for a new trial claiming juror misconduct deprived them of a fair trial. During the investigation, they found this shit.

OK, Michael Malachowski, who's another juror, he'd been excused from the jury during the trial for reasons unrelated to misconduct. He paid an unsolicited visit to the home of Daryl and rex henley on march 20th 1995 while the trial was still in progress he told the henley's that they should contact him in the event they were convicted because he had information that might entitle them to a new trial specifically he said uh he informed the henley's that he had carpooled with two other juries juror brian and sean o'reilly the most irish man ever and the three of them had discussed the evidence on the way in violation of the court's instructions the following day henley contacted malachowski and asked whether malachowski knew any sitting juror who might be willing to vote

not guilty on the charges against both the henley's that's how that happened malachowski informed henley that juror brian had confessed to using methamphetamine on the weekends and that juror O'Reilly had made racist remarks. Wow. Henley instructed Malachowski to... An Irish guy? An Irish guy named Sean? Said some racist? Come on.

No, I don't believe it at all. If you've ever been to Boston, you don't believe that for a second. boston you don't believe that for a second so uh henry uh henley told melichowski to approach juror brian and quote do anything it takes to secure a not guilty vote in exchange henley promised melichowski a job with the rams what this is what he did so this is fucking nuts so march 21st melichowski visits juror brian at his home and asks him if he uh if he would want payment for a not guilty vote uh brian juror brian said he was saw he was shocked and he searched malachowski for a recording device like he's wearing a fucking wire which is amazing and then they started discussing money once he realized he wasn't wearing a wire settling conditionally on a figure of 25 to 50 000

which is very vague uh juror b Brian insisted on speaking directly to Henley. Malachowski and Juror Brian then drove to a pay phone to call Henley. Juror Brian and Henley discussed the bribe, and Juror Brian indicated that he wished to be paid half the money in advance. Right now. This is all shit that's going on now. So, Juror Brian told Malachowski he's tent, decided to tenant told Melichowski he's tentatively decided to accept Henley's offer that he, but he'd like to consider the matter further and we'll contact Melichowski with his final answer.

Uh, he had second thoughts after that. He then called Melichowski and informed him that he didn't want to participate in the scheme. So juror Brian method or not is still coming up. Doesn't want to do this. This is amazing though. And it's's it's fascinating to get like if you get pooled and jury pooled and then you get like on a big case like this

you you potentially just won the lottery with oh yeah with your with your guilty or not guilty how many times john gaudy got off of these trials because they were bribing jurors and threatening people i would love to be fucking awesome on a trial that is something big like Jimmy wants to be bribed. I want to pay my mortgage. That's right. I got a mortgage. So the next few days, the jury was in deliberations. They were kept contacting juror Brian, trying to get him to reconsider. Several times Henley called juror Brian from his cell phone, but he never answered juror Brianryan malachowski made frequent calls to juror bryan and even drove to his house in an attempt to speak with him uh ultimately here

our juror bryan tells his parents to tell malachowski he wasn't home uh two days after the deliberations began on march 24th juror bryan informed the trial judge that he'd seen a newspaper article about the case and had learned that henley was facing a possible life sentence if convicted. He also reported that the article had made a big impact on him and that he had difficulty sleeping. After questioning juror Brian, the court determined that he need not be disqualified on account of his exposure to the article. So he ends up staying on. So the day before the jury returned its verdict, Malachowski spoke to juror Brian and relayed Henley's concern that juror Brian was attempting to get himself excused from the jury. Imagine being a juror, enough pressure, but then having the actual guy who's up to be guilty calling you on the phone. So now Malachowski made it clear that Henley would pay $50,000 for a vote of not guilty.

And juror Brian again declined, and the jury returned a verdict of guilty the next day. So following the convictions, Malachowski provided a deposition to Rex Henley's attorney, in which he swore that it seems that he said that juror Brian had initiated the bribery scheme. He basically said everything he did juror Brian actually did and all that sort of thing.

Malachowski also alleges that Sean O'Reilly had made several racist remarks while carpooling including the statement quote all n-words should hang which is strong coming from a fucking juror. Yeah you can't say that. Not cool. Not okay to say. They said it in full metal jacket but that's a tough fucking that's a tough phrase. from a fucking juror yeah you can't not cool uh not okay to say and they said really anywhere but

it's that's a tough fucking that's a tough phrase this that's not okay and and los angeles on the fucking this is ridiculous uh finally uh melachowski said that uh juror brian used drugs during the trial and that uh they had engaged in premature deliberations all that stuff so this was what he said let me know if you need anything who knows what he what he was paid for this uh also uh melichowski testified he embellished o'reilly statements later on though and although o'reilly had had indeed used the n-word he didn't use it in reference to any of the defendants on trial which really doesn't matter he's just casually throws the n-word around with strangers that he just met in court that he's serving on a fucking jury with. And not just casually saying statements like that.

It's fucking that's a blanket statement about all. Jesus, man. You're the Hitler of black people. Calm down. Yeah, this is fucking nuts, man. He said one of the FBI reports said that Juror Brian acknowledged at some point during the trial that while either carpooling from to or from from a trial o'reilly said quote the the n words are guilty or that n words are guilty in general so i was not sure which one it is uh they the judge asked why didn't

judge brian or jury or juror brian ever go to the judge with this and he said he was scared he said he was extremely scared that he went to if he went to the judge something would happen to his family uh based on the reports of murders and shit like that going on uh which that honestly makes sense i would think because he learned during the trial that bustamante had threatened to witness and uh that uh one of the other defendants said he would kill uh somebody's son if he didn't perjure himself in a trial in their behalf obviously and they fucking mean it because they killed somebody they killed somebody exactly so while behind bars if this isn't bad enough he's trying to whatever uh while behind bars now henley when this all is going on uh waiting for sentencing uh he pays a guard to

smuggle a cell phone to him at night you're doing okay this fucking moron he's paying this guard to smuggle in a cell phone so he he says we can talk with his family and his fiance and all that sort of thing because he just had a daughter oh fiance just gave birth to a daughter what a dipshit right yeah uh he said also that he would use this uh he a guy in prison here uh one of somebody in the cell block said that he could hook him up with a member of the mafia to help him make more money to finance some heroin deals. Because he's running out of money and he needs to appeal this case. These are expensive. So he needs to make money fast.

So now he's actually going to fucking try to be a drug dealer. Oh, my God. So he needs to make money fast. So now he's actually going to fucking try to be a drug dealer. Oh, my God. So he's speaking on the phone with a man, an older man named Joey Gambino, who if you name yourself after the whole family, you fucked it up right there, who had been introduced to Henley by an inmate on Henley's cell block over the phone. This guy offered Henley or Henley a stake in a heroin deal. He said, if you want to put some money in this, he was, you know, appealing his convictions and needed the fucking money for the juror misconduct and trying to bribe jurors. He's got all this shit.

He knew it was going to be a costly trial. He said so. He considered the he's considered Gambino's offer and accepted it. He said, quote, like an idiot. I did. I did it purely for the money. I had a baby daughter. My family was broke.

I wanted to fight the verdict. So finally, he tells Henley, says, listen, I don't have any upfront cash for the drug deal is the problem, which is a problem in that case. Huge problem. So what they do. It's hinging on the money and the money is not there. Not only does Gambino say that's not a problem. We can get it fronted, he also says,

you know what, I heard you've been having some problems, why don't I kill that cheerleader for you? He goes, I'll kill that cheerleader and while I'm at it too, why don't I kill that fucking pain in the ass judge who's been ruling against you

and all your emotions and all that shit. I'll kill the cheerleader, I'll kill the judge and we'll fucking get this thing back to normal. He says, and don't even worry about the money because we're doing this big this big heroin deal whatever's supposed to be coming back to you on the first deal I'll take his payment for that

and then we'll start over on the next one wow no problem I just want to work with you we'll take care of this we like you we like you I really like to I really like to head on your shoulder I like you I like the cut of your jib guy guy. You talk well. You talk well. I like how you're so educated and shit. It's fucking great. No shit. Having conversations with you is so fun. It's fucking wonderful. I learned so much that last one.

I'm having a good fucking time over here. It ain't bad. I learned juxtaposition from you. I love that word now. I learned that word. You know what? I didn't know that fucking word. But now I know it and now I feel better.

Problem was, the Joey Gambino is not really joey gambino he is a dea agent named bike uh mike bansmer who recorded all of these conversations and got this fucking idiot to say yes please kill a federal judge and my girlfriend who by the way is a witness in a federal judge case a dipshit both of which highly illegal so now there's no fucking bail there's no nothing jail jail and more jail fucking sitting there how does he sit there in jail and go give me a phone would you and then they get him a phone and he does this and he calls a guy that goes yo yo this is joey gambino and he's like perfect you're the perfect guy gambino i've heard of them i've heard of that yeah you're a fucking idiot for falling for that.

He might as well have said, this is Don Corleone. And had him go, okay, I'm sorry, Mr. Corleone. I've seen all your movies, sir. I can't wait to do business with you. Hello, this is Scarface. Would you like to sell drugs with me? Like, that's what he would have said. And Daryl would have been like, all right.

I would love to. Yeah, I think so. I heard of Scarface. Fucking ridiculous. So, yeah, now he's really fucked. How stupid. He's super fucked. He's sitting there, has no idea what to do.

He's just totally screwed. He's in the visitor room one day, too, and I would be worried if I was him for anybody visiting me because someone could kill you at any point, start strangling you. A real Gambino might show up. That's what I mean. So then he's waiting for somebody and he gets the most unexpected visitor ever. It's my grandma.

And she says... Ma, how is it you've come to arrive here? Ma, what are you doing? Ma, look at you. Oh, my handsome young man. You're shiny like the skin of the seal. I like you. Very handsome.

You have nice girl. Nice young lady you have. And what do you do? You put her on plane with the drug. Why the drug? Huh? You don't need the drug. You smoke the cocaine.

Is that what you do? You smoke the cocaine, don't you? Oh, my yo. Ma, such a handsome young man. You ruin it all. Ma, look at you. So handsome. Now you go.

Now you make putan out of her. And now you sit in the jail. Oh, my yo. a handsome young man. You ruin it all. My, look at you. So handsome. Now you go. Now you make putan out of her. And now you sit in the jail. Oh, my, yo, maybe her parents were right. I don't know. I don't know. Poof. And then a puff of marinara sauce and a sort of racism. My grandmother's gone.

She's not that racist, but still she'd be like, my, I don't know. Well, that's short about you. She's gone. That's short about you. Goodbye. You go. So June of 96 are the new charges this is a uh he pleads guilt not guilty to 13 count indictment that now alleges murder plots along with new proposed drug sales unbelievable uh also eric henley who is uh his little brother he is also uh he played for Rice and is at this point a was also a Denver Broncos draft choice. Not at that time, but a little bit earlier.

He is also accused of conspiring to distribute 25 kilos of cocaine with several people in L.A., including his brother. And he was in on the scheme. Yeah. So also Alyssa Denman is also in this. His girlfriend and Kim Taylor, who's another woman. They were I guess they were supposed to purchase 55 pounds of cocaine from an undercover agent. This what a national we Gambino there. Wow. He's waiting, awaiting sentencing for his original trafficking.

And now he's got these totally new charges. He tried to obviously put this together. June 12th, 1996, a federal grand jury accusing Jesus Christ Henley of conspiring to murder a judge who convicted him of smuggling cocaine. This is fucking nuts, man. He's trying to put together these cocaine deals. They're saying they were also trying to finance the contracts for killings were for $100,000 a piece. That was what they were going to pay through these drug deals. Also, a Rodney Anderson, who's a 29-year-old guard at L.A. Metropolitan Detention Center, was charged as a conspirator because he brought in the cell phone. Now, who knows if he knew what he was using it for, but it doesn't matter at this point.

This is such a slam dunk case. Yeah, and the parents have to be losing it because now two of their sons are involved in this. Why'd you get your little brother involved in it too, you fucking moron? We did so great for so long. What the fuck? So when they're deciding here, I'll tell you about that later here. So October 17th, 1996, there's a plea deal. 17th uh 2000 and 1996 there's a plea deal okay uh as a part of this plea agreement henley faces a sentence of 41 years and three months in prison after he admits in federal court that he conspired

to murder a federal judge and a witness in a prosecution witness in a fucking trafficking case guilty and bribed a prison guard good lord Lord. Yeah, he was fucked. He was facing just straight life. Yeah. So they were like, let's figure this out here. See if we can get it to 41. Yeah. Let's see if we can get it down. If that's a negotiation. That's a negotiation. 41 years, three months.

That's hard negotiating. Yeah. They asked, the district judge kept asking him if he was understood the length of time he'd be guaranteed of serving. They said, quote, that's 495 months in prison do you understand that that's something like 42 years and he's just said yes sir i understand uh so his brother was also there he entered a guilty plea uh he's going to be sentenced to seven to eight years in prison uh the the brother is when they're sentenced later on in

january it fuck man this is this is crazy this whole thing just exploded into somewhere you'd never expect it to explode to in a million fucking years uh they said quote uh the one of the attorneys for the prosecution said quote in his own recorded words daryl henley revealed himself to be both a narcotics trafficker and a would-be murderer yeah uh i would say so the judge said he fully intends to sentence him to the length of time called for by the plea agreement he made a point of noting that henley would be serving the maximum sentence the court could impose uh for the attempt on judge taylor's life good judges don't like it when you want to kill other judges no like even i read a bunch of mafia shit they uh anthony gaspipe casso was a mob guy he was like an underboss of lucchese

family people with a gaspipe? He didn't, actually. It was his father's nickname, and they just called him it. So his dad's nickname. His dad's nickname was Gaspipe because he used to beat up Union Scab with gaspipes. I knew of that guy. Didn't know of this guy. But Anthony Gaspipe Casso is the one you know who he is.

His dad was just a dock worker you never heard of. Gaspipe was an underboss for the Lucchese family. And he flipped, and they ended up not using his testimony because he one of the things he admitted to was setting up a deal to kill a federal judge he was like yeah we were going to kill that guy and they were like whoa whoa we can't work with this fucking guy we can't work with this fucking guy now so they he had a treasure trove made sammy the bull look like he knew nothing because he was the guy he set up all the deals like he was the guy in charge of everything really for the lucasies and they didn't take him because of that because they you know so they're sensitive about that is what i'm getting at even if you have all the

information on the mafia that can convict everyone they still won't use you if you try to do that yeah not great at all so uh uh sentencing uh two judges sentence Henley because there's two different things to sentence him for. There's the drugs and the murder for hire cases are separate deals. The one judge says, quote, you've really screwed up your life, haven't you? And he says, yes, sir. Henley does, because obviously he has. There's no argument. They're having him serve his time in Marion, Illinois, which is one of the worst federal prisons there is.

That's where John Gotti was. That's where they put him. And he said he ran into Gotti a few times. Is that right? When he went there. And Gotti laughed at him? Yeah. Look at this fucking jerk off.

You thought a Gambino would call you? At least I got rich first, you fucking idiot. Jesus Christ. At least I was the boss. You made two deals and a phone call and you're fucking in here forever, you idiot. Two deals and one phone call. Here you are, dummy. Oh uh oh fuck that's hilarious uh one of the two deals in one phone call and all i got is a life sentence yeah nice job jackass so this judge eidelman said or eidman says quote it is

obvious that he speaking of daryl he can be more dangerous in custody than out on the streets if there was ever a guy who needs to be locked down 24 hours a day, it's Henley. The defendant is obviously obviously is a complete and hardened criminal. So any speeches to him would be a waste of time. Wow. You, sir, may fuck off 41 years in prison for drug offenses. By the way, no parole on that. That is 41 years doing all of he's doing 41 years and three months uh uh for

you know drug offenses and murder conspiracy whoa uh he says afterwards henley says quote you can't look at me and say oh a product of the environment i have some pretty awesome parents and i was living a dream i worked my ass off for i lost focus it was as simple as that i lost focus as to knowing what got me to where i was no shit uh donahoe here by the way is the only only white person in this whole entire conspiracy she gets four months and a halfway house but yet she also did the least of everybody was she was making the least but four months and a halfway that seems a little light she did the most in terms of hardest most most risky work. Yeah, but the least planning.

But still, four months is a little light. Let's give her a year. What do you say? Let's make her go to prison, actually. And a halfway house, too. Sure seems like her dad may have had some pull. You think a little bit? Yeah, I think maybe that was part of the deal.

January 21st, 2000, he is sitting in a federal penitentiary while the Rams are going to the Super Bowl. He says, quote, I get here and all they show on TV are the Rams. I remember saying to myself, God, now you're really punishing me. You betcha. He's like, fuck, I can't. God damn it. Sit there and watch Kurt play. That's it right there.

Fuck. He said, quote, that's why it's affected me personally more than anything else. I shouldn't be locked up. I put myself here. Unbelievable. Which, yeah, dummy. Fucking dummy, dummy, that's why it's affected me personally more than anything else. I shouldn't be locked up. I put myself here. Unbelievable. Which, yeah, dummy. Fucking dummy, dummy, and dummy. 2001, this is very interesting.

2001 Ninth Circuit Federal Court ruled that the racial bias on the Henley jersey warranted a deeper look. Jersey warranted a deeper look presiding judge and the prosecutors on Henley's case quietly made the whole thing go away by releasing Henley's co-defendants who all got out of jail in 2001. Get the fuck out of here. Who all served fractions of their 12 to 18 year sentences. However, Henley stays locked up because he gave away his right to contest the trial verdict as part of his plea agreement. So he's fucked.

Everyone else gets to go home. And he made, honestly, he was, the other guys were really the ones doing all the shit somebody and they killed someone wow they killed someone there's dead people yeah the fucking the rams to do this whole thing we're like what is happening to this whole shit he's got a baby he's got a kid he's got 15 fucking girlfriends poor goddamn th thomas henley's embarrassed motherfucker i feel bad for all these people jimmy but not nearly as bad as i feel for daryl henley a singer with the highlights music ministries who sings uh all sorts of gospel music they have uh albums called thankful just one lifetime pouring water so there's some christian shit right there. Also, Daryl Henley,

independent motion picture and film professional in the greater Los Angeles area who has a ton of credits. A ton of credits. He's in LA. 300, Rise of an Empire. He's an illustrator. Scary Movie 5. He's a storyboard artist. He's a fucking artist. He's an artist. He does storyboards

for five-year engagements. Storyboard artist. Wanderlust. Storyboard artist's just got wow credits as long as can be since 1985 more fucking successful than anybody i know and lives in la and spells his name with two fucking r's and everything that poor son of a bitch you poor bastard uh so january 2003 is when writer michael mcknight uh goes and meets with him and starts talking to him and, you know, just meets with him. He said that they hit it off. And Darrell agreed with Michael wholeheartedly about his vision for the book. He said, quote, Henley is frighteningly intelligent, very self-aware. He knows he made dreadful, dreadful errors. He just wants his story told warts and all because everything written about him previously failed to scratch beneath the eye catching headlines.

Cocaine, cocaine, NFL cheerleader murdering a judge. My mandate was what the hell happened here? Yeah, he said, quote, I'd like readers to see if that can happen to Daryl Henley. It can happen to anyone. I'd like us to step away from our knee jerk judgments about athletes who get in trouble and instead ask, how did this happen? What points along the way along the curve led to this straw drop downward usually it's not very sudden it's almost invisible accumulation of circumstances people and conversations the point is daryl had it all not just materially but in terms of intellect his family support stability

and unconditional love he was given from the day he was fucking born he didn't say fucking i threw that in there but still i wish he would have said fucking. So his only child, Gia, still his daughter, keeps up with him, would go see him in prison all the time. She moved closer. She moved from L.A. to go to the University of Houston so she could be closer to her, closer to her dad and visit him more, which is fucking crazy. He said, quote, I'm going to continue to be the

best father i can be to her under these circumstances well you don't have much of a life but i have a life i have a life where i can still be progressive and still be positive no matter how hard it gets lord jesus that's fucking sad uh currently uh from what i found not currently but in 2015 he was serving at a relatively low security facility in Yazoo, Mississippi. It says that Yazoo is low security. He earned a transfer there by keeping his head down during the years he spent at two of the worst prisons, which was Marion and Florence, Colorado there. And by using the education he gained in all of his schooling and at UCLA to help inmates learn their GEDs. There's attempts at prison reform all around Daryl Henley, who are saying he shouldn't be in there.

They said for two decades he's transformed the education departments and the correctional facilities across the country, successfully guiding over 2,000 inmates to their GED certifications. Basically, since he's been in there, he's been doing well. Doing good things. Well, after he got, not since he was in jail in the first place, because then he was hiring people to murder federal judges, but since he's been done and locked there, he's good now. He's good now.

Also, the murder part, he's already convicted for the drug offense, and that's already over. Why are you going to kill the girl now? Why are you going to kill her? Just revenge. Just revenge. And the judge, too. It was just because he was the one who fucking...

It's already over. He denied his motions and shit like that. He said about prison, quote, in the beginning, you don't even want to wake up. You just want to be dead. And not because of 2031, but because of today and tomorrow. And there's nothing. Because he's not supposed to get out until 2031. Right now, according to the federal inmate search thing, he is in Oklahoma City somewhere. There's a federal prison there.

His number is 01915-112. His release date is July 23, 2031, which is brutal so far away he said quote not one thing we did was worth it not one place we went not one stripper we saw nothing not one thing was worth that not one thing was worth them saying guilty as charged these are the demons i have to battle every single night yeah can't get enough of daryl henley here's the thing real quick daryl the i yeah the only question i want to look him in the eye and ask is when the body turns up of the judge and the girl then what what the fuck now then what yeah they're gonna piece that to you you dipshit that's the thing he can say he can say all he wants and you know what i'm sure look i'm sure he didn't suggest killing the girl or

i'm sure they tried to entrap him and all that shit but he said he didn't go no fuck no i'm not killing a judge fuck that that's crazy he didn't say that which is the thing you should say exactly someone suggests murdering a federal judge or a woman for that matter go no that's crazy i can't do that because that's insane haven't i put her through enough why would i do that to her no shit so anyway can't get enough uh of daryl henley you can get his football cards all over the place they're like a dollar everywhere you go and don't worry they're plentiful and cheap also get the book and read all 500 because this story i mean we could could have talked this could have been a six hour episode because there's so many details of the drug conspiracy of his childhood of his upbringing that we just couldn't get into it this so if

you're more interested check out the book intercept Intercepted, The Rise and Fall of an NFL cornerback, of NFL cornerback Daryl Henley by writer Michael McKnight. It's a very good job he did. Thanks. Thank him for some details that we filled in. That's the only pun that I'm that I'm OK with in this point, because he got intercepted. He got intercepted like a motherfucker. Yeah.

He life intercepted. He got intercepted like a motherfucker. Yeah, he life intercepted. You betcha. So that is Daryl Henley and that's one of the strangest stories we've ever had. Honestly, it's a weird one. What the fuck? I've been saving it for a while

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Jimmy, hit us with the list of people that you do not want to federally conspire to murder, our producers. Let me have it now. This week's executive producers are uh fuck already i'm gonna do this already emily felker uh chrissy ann costaldi you didn't even say executive producer right never mind did i miss that what i say i don't know you said like this is a producer You were worried about names. Yeah, this week's executive producers are Emily Felker, Christiane Castaldi, TJ Daly, Eva Tarowska, Brittany Helm, Stephanie Yeager, who, holy shit, how sweet of you. Thank you, Stephanie. And Christy Brown.

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It might be Reagan. It's probably, there's no extra A. There's no way to know that. There isn't. Reagan or Regan. It might be Reagan. It's probably fucking. There's no extra A. There's no way to know that. There isn't. There's two pronunciations. I don't think there's any way for us to judge that from where we're sitting now. Nicole Venaro.

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Later, sir. Which is a tough last name to have also. Sounds like a country. It does. That she made up when she was eight. I'm moving to Laura's Vania. Or a description of a penis. Oh, yeah. It's very Vania.

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Of like cents and then a couple bucks here. Thanks. And then some cents. It was amazing to watch. We'll take anything and we appreciate the shit out of it. My phone kept going off and going, Cole is giving you cash, bro. Thank you, Cole. anything and we appreciate the shit out of it. My phone kept going off and going, Cole is giving you cash, bro.

Thank you, Cole. Stephanie Ponset, Stephanie Russell, Heather Norton, Madeline Fagan, her daughter upped her Patreon for Madeline. Oh, thank you. That's so cool. Because Madeline doesn't want to figure out Patreon. Oh, that's fine. Thank you.

Thank you and your daughter. Brad Young, Sean Garner, yes. Chuck Lewis, Chuck, probably a coach. Jenny Chow. Good coach. Yeah. Jackie Fuchs, I i assume because it's otherwise yeah is brutal rachel coro uh daniel len uh dan donyell leonardis leonardis all right

i think alexander calder that's alex calder up there uh in uh new york oh cool no he's in fucking i think he's in canada i don't okay canada sounds yeah he's, yeah. He's around. Canada. He's around. Nicola Elliott. That's what it is. Ian McKay. James Bishop. Peter Butler. Elliott with no last name.

Joseph Minner. Guido Pip. I don't know what that is. I like it. It's very interesting. Stephanie Fisher. Sally Averett. Pablo Conque.

No, Diablo Conque. So you said Pablo. I'm a dick. I ruined a great name. You did, but you've corrected it. You got it. Hannah, Hannah Bell Lonsdale. You've learned, you've ruined greater names than that. Jimmy, don't worry.

I've ruined much more common ones. Yeah. Haley Robinson Smith. Gaddis. I'm ruining this one. Sorry. Gaddis Stahlsands. I think I'm cool.

Wavy Sky, which is fucking bananas that's interesting one credit classics which is a guy on youtube uh that does he fucking beats games with one credit cool kind of interesting that's kind of neat uh chantelle thornley pool justin with no last name joe miller emmy dumont maya maya clarice uh k overby overbay uh cl Clinton Grout, Beth Higgs in the UK. Thank you, Beth. Heather Fowler, Georgia and Jackson, Jeremy Pendleton, Peter Martino, Amy Taliaferro. No, Taliaferro. Hmm.

Hmm. Jordan Henson. No, Jordan Heemstrom. Heemstra. Bilbo Scallops? Bilbo Scoopins. That's what I wrote. I don't know.bo scallops michael lane alex eldridge and corin m thank you guys so much from the bottom of our hearts you guys are fucking incredible

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against the wall because of other shit. So thank you. The thank you is as important as your support. It is fucking amazing yeah truly thank you when you tell us that this helps get you through a day or this helps get you through work like that's pretty cool yeah uh with small town murder we had somebody tweet that they never believed that anybody was falsely convicted before and then they heard that story and they go holy shit now i've completely opened my eyes now all i want to look at is like so things like that just anything like that thank you guys for interacting with us.

And what if they wanted to thank you personally online? How would they do that, Jimmy? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Send whatever. I don't care what you send. It's all fucking hilarious to me. We love it all. We love it all.

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