Crime in Sports - #130 - Hated By Most, Disliked By All - The Loathedness of "Bruiser" Bob Sweetan

Episode Date: September 4, 2018

This week, we head down a slippery path of self destruction, and personality defects, from a man who came from a farm, in the middle of nowhere, to earn a name in his chosen profession... And that's where the good ends. He took advantage of fellow wrestlers, treated everyone terribly that crossed his path, and leveled unspeakable horrors on his family. He's a bad guy, who does bad things, but we manage to find a whole bunch of funny along the way!!Wrestle Stu Hart in a filthy Canadian basement, drive people's heads into the mat, and abandon your family with "Bruiser" Bob Sweetan!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My name is James Petrigallo. I am here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so, so much for joining us today. We could not be more excited for this. It's a crazy wild episode. It's a wrestling episode, I'll tell you right off the front. So, as you know, if you've listened to Crime and Sports before, whether you are a wrestling fan or not, it definitely doesn't matter because these are by far always the craziest episodes.

And after this week is now my favorite sport. And it's Jimmy went to a live wrestling show. Fucking amazing. Fun, right? I had no idea. I've never been to a live one before. Never. Not even when you were a kid?

No. So you've never been to like a major event? I can't imagine what that shit's like. No wonder. I saw Hulk Hogan at Madison Square Garden in 87. You know what I mean? That was... Even today, I would lose my fucking mind.

I've never seen a sports team get a bigger ovation. I've never seen anybody get a crazier ovation. People are nuts for it. It's a good time. It's fine. It really is. If you are in a town and there's an a good show there go fucking see it even if you're not i'm wrong it's true even if you're not a wrestling fan it's one of those things like it's

same thing if you're not a basketball fan but you go to a basketball game you're like holy shit that was a good time that's it's crazy when you're right there it's the same thing with wrestling like if you're not a wrestling fan still you should see it live because it's a lot of fun it really is amazing the athleticism alone every they work their ass off the guys the girls everybody they work their asses off. And they really try to put on a good show. And they really do always. So it's always a good time.

Big shouts to Royce Isaacs, who found out about us from fucking Colt Cabana. Yeah, Colt Cabana's got a podcast. What a guy. You guys, I had no idea how much you guys love us. Yeah, Colt's a good dude, man. Yeah, he's so great. Colt's a good dude. He helped us out at South by Southwest by directing his rather large audience

to stay to watch our show where two people came to see us because nobody knew who we were yet. So thank you, thank you, thank you. And he's passed us on to a lot of people, so we appreciate that, Colt. And apparently, wrestlers, we are very popular with them. Apparently. A lot of guys listen to us. Well, we respect it.

And that's one thing. Like, I'm a fan. I'll be perfectly honest. I haven't watched it probably since about 2002, like on a regular basis. I was a fan when I was a kid, like little kid, 9, 10. And then you became a father? I was a huge fan. When I was a little kid, I was a huge fan. And then I became more of a fan of girls and weed and things of that nature for a long

time. Which is bananas because they are too. Yeah, that's true. And then I got back into it in like the late 90s there, like Monday Night Wars type thing, like probably 96 through whatever. And my little brother was into it. So when I was a teenager,

we'd go to a live show every once in a while, a Monday Night Raw at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center in New York at Poughkeepsie. So we'd go to a Monday Night Raw and watch that. So I stayed kind of knowing everything and knowing the guys and in the late 90s. And then it just kind of, the guys, like I said, it's just as good. They try just as hard and everything, but it's lost something in terms of, I don't know, storyline or in terms of production.

It's too slick for me. I don't know what it is. I don't know. It's not the wrestlers. I'll tell you that much. But it's, I don't know what it is. It's a little too slick for me at the moment. When I watch it now, it doesn't seem like a fight's gonna take place yeah it

seems very overly produced and overly glitzy i've legitimately believed that these guys hated each other it was so good but uh yeah i apologize number one for my voice today and my general sickness if you hear a sniffle i apologize i'm gonna do my best not to sniffle but I've been sick for days we had to delay recording and it's been brutal but uh the text message pictures I got from your wife it looked like she was holding you yeah I was I was dying I was dying she just gave you like a random boy on the couch and I just took it and curled up in a fetal position and wanted to die I felt like the flu or something, I just took it and curled up in a fetal position and wanted to die. I felt like I had the flu or something. I felt like I should be texting him back, how much do you want? No, I need him back. How much to release him? How much to get James back.

That's what's messed up. That's how I feel too. I feel awful and it's like a flu type thing. It's a disaster. This is one of those times where I'm going shopping for health insurance very soon here because this one scared me where I'm like, this might kill me. This is bad. I could die here. This could be very bad. But because I haven't died, what I would like to do is thank everybody for their iTunes reviews this week. Thank you, guys.

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a one-time donation there using our email address, which is CrimeinSports at gmail.com. So every cent is insanely appreciated. Thank you. Thank you so much for everything. Jimmy needs money to go see live wrestling shows now. Well, it was free. That was the best part. Yeah, that was the other cool part.

That's fun, man. I would have paid to see that show. I wanted to go so bad. It was like a mile from my house, too. I was like, this is going to be a great time. And then I couldn't move. So it wouldn't have been such a good time. It was weird because it was at the high school.

I was driving around trying to find it. And then I realized it's going to be deep in the high school, I was like trying to, I'm driving around trying to find it. And then I, and then I realized it's going to be deep in the high school. And then I had to, I had to wander. It's going to be the gym or the auditorium. Yeah, that's what it was. The gym, yeah. I had to wander through that shit holding a beer and then realize this probably shouldn't be with me.

And I had to ditch it. Oh, did you? Oh, wow. I figured it out. I guzzled it and then ditched it. I was going to say, I know you didn't pour it out. I didn't waste that. No, no, no.

You're going to pour it. It's going to be in your mouth. I don't want to be shithoused. But every wrestling episode we do is crazy for one reason, most of which is the guys now, we haven't really done a guy who's like a young guy who's been up. The youngest one we've done, the youngest wrestler we've done is Sonny probably. No, it's Sonny, I think, the last one. Or Hardbody Harrison was in there too.

But the newer guys are a different breed uh they have to be the famous ones anyway though if you if you look at anybody who works for wwe uh they're a different breed they have to be not only good wrestlers and athletic and do all the things they need to do but they also have to be like good corporate members also they also have to be upstanding citizens and members of a corporation and all that those guys didn't exist in wrestling back in the day they wanted wild back in the day there's nothing they wanted that's all they could get that's what they got oh that's a good point you got it was basically an athletic carny who could take some damage to their body and be okay the next day that's what it was though because it was a different breed you had to go these were

small town to small towns you had to fight people off when you leave and that's why That's what it was, though, because it was a different breed. You had to go, these were small towns, you had to fight people off when you leave. That's why it's what's fun. People try to stab you in the audience. It was just a lot. You'd cut your head with a fucking razor blade at a county fair for 200 people. Shit like that, it takes a different kind of mentality

to want to do that, to drive from play. Bobby Heenan tells the best story once about his first night in wrestling. He got hired, and it was crazy. Like, he had to wash a guy's car. Then he had to go drive, like, 100 miles to the arena. No, a different car. To, like, in the arena,

and he had to do, like, five different things. He had to sell Cokes, and then he had to, like, run in, and he had to carry the Coke. He had to be the vending machine guy? A vendor. He had to be a vendor, and then he had to run in in and he had to carry the vending a vendor he had to be a vendor and then he had to run in and carry the ring jackets back and then he had to be people's manager sometimes if there was a thing he went under a mask to wrestle so he went out like five

times including you know taking the ring jackets back and selling cokes and doing all this shit and he was beat up he went out under a mask so that people weren't like didn't that motherfucker just that's what they used to do no that's what they used to do too they used to have wrestlers work three times on a card to save money because they'd pay them once for three work but they put them one time they'd come out as themselves next time they come out under a mask next time they come out under a different mask and that way you're three different guys and they lost every match that's it there are three different matches that's what they got their ass beat yeah that's what they used to do they try to

wrestle a different style sort of to not obviously be the same guy and shit like that but he even said you know he's doing all this and it was for you know it was like it was for like ten dollars he did all this and drove 200 miles back and he said on the way back there was a guy he said he's driving and there's literally a man on fire because there's a guy running away from a car on fire and the man is on fire waving his arms back and forth and falls down in the road as they drive by and he's like when can i do this again you have to have that attitude back in the road as they drive by. And he's like, when can I do this again? You have to have that attitude back in the day for that to be okay. I feel like a lot of the guys now would be like, I'm going home now.

That's why I always compare stand-up. Same shit. Always compare stand-up to wrestling because it's very, very, very similar. Same matches, same jokes, shit pay. Until you're famous, the pay is shit. But you're expected to be just as good as famous people, even though you're not getting paid that much. There's a psychology of trying to, you know, either way, you're trying to get over on the audience, whether you're trying to make them believe that you're really in a fight with somebody or you're trying to make them believe that you really give a fuck if they laugh.

You want to tell that same joke and that shit just happened to you like you said you did in the joke. It's all the same thing. So either way, it's a psychological thing of getting over the audience. And wrestling is very similar to that. So these guys are always nuts. And in other sports, you're like, okay, he played with Peyton Manning on this team. And you're like, okay. But in here, it's like he wrestled this guy.

And then it's a 10-minute story on how crazy that guy is because everyone's nuts back then. So let's talk about our star of the the day definitely not a hero this guy uh not not a he's not a jake the snake where you're like oh great guy he's a fuck up but you root for him he's not that type at all he's a guy where you're like what a piece of shit right uh this guy's a complete piece of shit let's talk about him his name is robert now last name b-e-I-E-R is his real name. I'm going to say Beyer. Okay. Beer, Beyer? I don't know.

I'm going to go with Beyer, even though it's probably wrong, just to keep it consistent. Robert Beyer also legally changes his name at some point to Robert Carson. Easy. Much easier. Much easier. But wrestles under Bruiser Bob Sweetan. Sweetan? Sweetan.

Bruiser Bob Sweetan. He's a Sweetan. He's a sweeten he's a uh mr pile driver he goes by later on even has a porn guy stupid t-shirt yeah i think he had it first i'm gonna say back in the day probably he's an old school we've never done anybody this old school before which is kind of fun because we get to hear a lot of nutty shit was even crazier back then than it was in the 80s because these guys had to be even bigger fucking weirdos in the 80s at least there was some money in it to want to get into it for back then it was like a few guys made money but for the most part it was just a crazy thing to do you had to really be into it uh he's born fourth of july 1940 uh but he's canadian so that really

doesn't doesn't hold any he doesn't give a shit about that i don't think no he doesn't care at all not born to be one anyway no 1940s born though so an old school cat here uh born on a farm near good soil saskatchewan good soil good soil uh which is pretty self-explanatory spot yeah it's it's good still yeah one spot and it's like a ice fishing it broke a hole in the ice that's what it is good so come on everybody there's five feet of it. Everybody builds their houses around it. There it is. They stare at it all happily. It's about four hours north of Saskatoon.

So that tells you it is fucking Canada. What a fucking cartoony. I mean, not just the word tomb, but- There's elves running around. That's insane. That's fucking nuts. Stereotypical Canadian name. For Saskatoon, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan is some shit right there.

Good Soil, it's a super rural place. It's in the rural municipality of Beaver River, number 622. Not even a town. Beaver River, number 622. So it's just a government laid out parcel of land. At least 621 others of it. That's exactly right. This rural municipality of Goodsoil.

Population currently 282. So in 1940, can't imagine there was many more people there than that. Probably less. It was probably his family. And there's some guy that I'd never heard of that played for the New York Rangers who's from here also. So it's amazing that this tiny, tiny town produced two people that were known kind of in the world in sports. It's super strange. Now, this guy here, he comes up, he's a short, powerful guy.

He's 5'10", which in the 80s, once Hulk Hogan came around and shit, you couldn't be 5'. You could be, but very few people are 5'10". Like, Shawn Michaels looks tiny. He's 6'1". He's not a tiny fucking guy. Like, if you saw him, you'd be like,". Like, Shawn Michaels looks tiny. He's 6'1". He's not a tiny fucking guy. Like, if you saw him, you'd be like, holy shit, that guy's big. He's 6'1", 230 pounds.

He'd kick my fucking ass. But on TV, you're like, look at that skinny shit. I'd smack him around. It's one of those things where this guy's 5'10", but he's 280 pounds. He's a fucking big guy. Big, thick, big fucking head on him. Big, thick everything. He looked small eventually well yeah

yeah well he was six foot six anyway but he's when he started he looked so big good christ that's when he was jacked to the moon on roids and then later on when he's like standing next to the undertaker he looks like a midget well he said later yeah well yeah when we got taller guys coming in and we're actually six because he was that he would six they always build him a six eight six nine he's six foot six standing by kevin nash yeah it's like a fucking child legit 611 yeah it's a different story right there yeah and hulk even said like when he 79 80 81 like right before rocky three and shit that's when he was like so roided like he really had 24 inch arms back then and shit and then then later on he was on the road 325 days a year. So it's a little harder to keep that physique up when you're never in the same place overnight.

Sleeping in some shit motel and no gym. And he liked beer, too. He's a beer guy, Hulk Hogan. He likes to drink himself a 12-pack and smoke a cigar and do all that kind of thing. There you are. He likes to smoke a cigar and hang out. And he's that kind of dude. He's not like some of the guys like the guys now yeah some of these guys are like they're they're so healthy and they they

eat right and they they don't drink and they don't do drugs for the most part like roman reigns a lot of these guys fuck he counts calories yeah back then the guys didn't do that so much they do they'd go to the gym they'd find gyms in these different towns every day and all that type of shit but they also ate like shit because nothing was open in the middle of the night. And they drank a lot of beer. That's why you got a lot of bloated guys in the 80s. But their arms looked great. They'd go to a...

Well, they looked huge. Right. And that's what this guy looks like. Okay, he doesn't look like a professional athlete, Bob Sweeten. He looks like a guy that if you saw him in a bar, you'd be like, I'm not fucking with that guy. I will not mess with that guy. He's a big, thick, barrel-chested. That's what it is that they looked like.

They looked like just men. They didn't look like they worked on themselves. They just looked like they went to the garage and curled a Fiat. That's what he looked like. And Jim Cornette has the best way of describing this man. Jim Cornette, who I love. He's hilarious. He has a podcast, too.

Jim Cornette Experience. It's very funny, actually. man, Jim Cornette, who I love. He's hilarious. He has a podcast, too. Jim Cornette Experience. It's very funny, actually. I love Jim Cornette. I think he's a goddamn hilarious dude. He's the type of guy, even if you don't care about wrestling or anything, just listen to him talk about it. It's funny.

It doesn't matter. He'll talk about modern shit. I don't know what the hell he's talking about, but it's funny anyway. He's another podcaster that some network fucked over. He is? Yeah. Oh, we have experience there.

He got fucked over several times. He has a great, he has. He has a great quote here. He said that he didn't know him personally, he said, but he summed him up by saying, quote, he looked like, quote, somebody set his face on fire and beat it out with an ax. Jesus.

An ax. An ax. I mean, you've heard that analogy a million times with a different instrument. The ax fucking puts it over. So that's what he looked like. He looked like a rugged man that you wouldn't want to fuck with and that

women would be afraid of, you would think. And they'd be like, I don't go near that guy. Which they'd be right. I've heard put out with golf spikes. An axe is like the firemen aren't even concerned with keeping this building intact. No, no, no. Put it out. Get it out. Chop it up. It's a lost cause. Cut a hole in it. Vent the heat. Vent no they just put it out get it out chop it up it's a

lost cause cut a hole in it lost cause get it out that's what they're doing that's the point of entrance is this guy's face of the side of the building sidewall that's awesome this guy's face he he saw he tried to get at by the way uh there's a guy named Greg Oliver who wrote an amazingly concise article about this guy's kind of life outside wrestling and everything. I got a lot, a lot of information from it from Slam Online magazine. Greg Oliver did just a tremendous job putting it together. So, got a lot of information about that if you're into wrestling. He writes a good... Appreciate you.

He does a good article, Greg Oliver. So anyway, let's see here. He thought that he wanted to play football. Robert. Yeah, Robert, because you... Bob. Not Greg. Not Greg. Greg Oliver, maybe he wanted to play football, but then he took up writing for wrestling, so I don't know.

But he was a big guy and when you're a big guy who grows up on a farm in Canada, there's not a lot of ways out of that farm in Canada. He's probably a little too thick for hockey. I haven't seen a lot of 280-pound hockey players. No, they fall through the ice. I would imagine that would be very difficult. Yeah, he's just afraid.

He's like, I know it's four hours north of Saskatoon and all, but I don't trust it. It's not frozen enough. I know it's been frozen since July. I get that. And it's February now. I picture in canada starts on a fucking lake like i imagine so i don't have a building in every town especially tiny ones like that why would you you gotta start on a lake everything's frozen what the fuck do you need 280 pounds 510 you're not skating that's rough i wouldn't trust much ice unless it's got concrete below it yeah i wouldn't trust yeah unless you're in a rink, actually.

A lake is very untrustworthy for him. That's scary. He picked up football. He saw football as a way to get out of town because they had the CFLs been around forever. So he's like, I'm going to try to be a football player. He's a big, thick guy, especially back then in like 1960. You didn't have to be six foot four. You could be, you know, you could be 5'10 if you're 280 and be an offensive lineman or

something and you're great. They an offensive lineman or something. And you're great. They weren't betting on speed then. They were just betting on you getting into the end zone. That's it. Yeah. Nobody was fast. It was just, can you survive getting clotheslined?

You were allowed to, you know, people were, they were barely wearing face masks. You were allowed to clothesline each other. It was fucking insane out there. And there was no football move after the catch either. No. Just kill that guy. Touch the ball, clobber it. And also for a long time, you could get up if you were facing the catch. No, just kill that guy. Touch the ball, clobber it. And also, for a long time, you could get up

if you were facing the direction. You could get up and keep running. So they would pile on you to hold you down. So it was brutal back then. So anyway, he was briefly, apparently, with the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League. Really?

Adding to the untold number of crime and sports criminals who have been on the Toronto Argonauts. They're the Dallas Cowboys of the North, or the Oakland Raiders, or whatever you want to say, of the North, because every goddamn player, everybody we've had has been on the fucking Argonauts. They are the Portland Trailblazers of Canadian football.

People who didn't even play football. They were signed by the Argonauts somehow. They just want criminals. They just want a guy who's athletic and criminal. Just wandered down cell block B and signed them all up. That's it. Hopefully some of these guys can play football. That guy's pretty tall.

We'll see. Amazing. So he's not listed in any game reports, it says in this article here. And apparently he didn't want to talk about it when he did an interview in 2006. He was asked about it. And he said, quote, I don't want to talk about that. It was a painful experience for me at the particular time, so I'd rather not discuss it. He had to learn real quick he can't play.

Yeah, apparently didn't make it very far in Canada. A painful experience. I don't know what they did to him up there. Maybe just fucking shut out. I guess so. What else would you do to a guy in Canada? Just called him a hoser a couple of times, and he left. He's like, they were mean to me. I don't know.

I didn't like it very much. They weren't as nice as everybody else everywhere else. There's a bunch of guys there. I don't know. I think they're criminals from America. I'm not sure. Yeah, surprisingly enough, a bunch of criminals were mean. That's weird.

They were mean to him. Strange. All the Argonauts? Unreal. So we don't know. At some time, we don't know at some time. We don't know when it happened, but sometime between now and about 70, he changes his name legally to Carson. Because when he gets married, his wife's name is Carson.

So I assume then that's his legal name. So that happens at some point. Who the fuck knows? Did he take her name? No, no, no. That was his name. And he gave it to her, but he made it up. And then wait till you see what he named his son later on, too.

This guy's amazing. So he, I guess, ended up going to Calgary to get out of his town. He just wanted to get the hell out of there, and after he'd been in Toronto, he headed back to Western Canada. Because Saskatoon's like, I guess you'd call it Midwestern Canada. If Canada was the U.S., he was basically in Nebraska before. Saskatoon's right in the middle up there. So he heads out to Calgary, and he said, quote, I just got on the road and decided that I had to see everything and started traveling.

Fantastic. So that's fun for a young guy. His football career didn't work out. Fuck it. Fuck it. He's in his early 20s. It's the best time to be. He's got Canada like an oyster, wide open in front of him.

A frozen oyster. A frozen oyster like everybody wants. Nothing better than a frozen oyster. So he's just figuring out what to do with himself, traveling around doing God knows what. And we find out what kind of guy he is. You're going to go, what the fuck was he doing in his early 20s? There's probably, who the hell knows bodies in fucking wake in his wake is spread throughout forests of saskatoon i have no idea is there a wake on a fucking jet ski or on a

frozen lake i'm like a snowmobile does it have a way i don't think it probably got a wake he probably probably leaves a drift i would imagine in the tracks in the tracks yes or track uh there's only one that's true track is there noa. Is there? No, track. It's just one. I mean, those are skis on the front, but there's only one belt. Yeah, thing on the back. So there'd be three tracks, actually. Yeah, I guess so.

Two things and a belt. Well, fuck, man. In his tracks. He's right in the middle. In his tracks. 1965 is when everything changed for Bob here. This is when the light came on for him, and he figured out where he wanted to be in the world. He says, and this is the most unlikely beginning to a career

I've ever heard in my life, of a career of any success, anyway. This is like the beginning of, you know, I got raped, and I got held against my will for six months, and I finally escaped, and I'm finally getting over it now five years later. This is the beginning of that story. Quote, a pot and pan salesman came to my door. That's it? That's it.

Now, if you said, what's that going to lead to? A successful career isn't the thing you would expect. You'd expect rape and kidnapping more. He said his name was Gerd Topsnick. What is it? Gerd or Gerd. G-E-R-D. That's Gerd.

Gerd Topsnick. Topsnick. Topsnick. Tops, N-I-D. That's Gerd. Gerd Topsnik. Topsnik. Topsnik. Tops, N-I-K, Topsnik. That's a bizarre name. Well, he was a wrestler, according to Gerd. Gerd was a wrestler. He wrestled.

And changed to selling fucking T-fowl or some shit? No, he was still, he was a part-time wrestler. Okay. So, okay. Now, right away, if you're Bob, you're thinking, well, that doesn't sound like a very good career if you have to sell door-to-door pots and pans which i haven't heard anybody try to sell me a pot at a door ever never seen them imagine that someone came to your door i was like i got these pots and pans you'd be like what are you beating me to death with those i'd be so i'd be so intrigued

and amazed i'd probably hear a spiel out you know what tell me what you got i don't fucking know this is i don't know what to do here fucking This is a fucking bizarre day now. This is uncalled for. Right. Very, very odd. If those are so good, why aren't they in a store, sir? Yeah, he's saying, exactly. Why are you at my door if these are so fantastic? Put those at least on Amazon. Exactly. No shit.

Or at least advertise them on a podcast. Do that. How about that? Advertise them on a podcast. Then you're legit. You'll move them. Yeah, you'll move them. Ask Harry's.

We know what the fuck we're doing. So anyway, Gerd Topsnick was a part-time wrestler who wrestled for Stu Hart up in Calgary. Stu Hart may sound familiar. That is Bret Hart's father. Got it. Bret No one Hart's dad. He's the patriarch of the Calgary wrestling territory. The Stampede Wrestling is the name of it.

Stampede Wrestling up there. Everything Stampede. Everything in Calgary. They know Gerd. And Gerd works there part- the name of it. Stampede Wrestling up there. Everything Stampede, everything in Calgary. They know GERD. GERD works there part-time. Got it. Stu Hart not only came up, had the Calgary territory that a lot of guys came through, but he trained untold numbers of people.

He has the dungeon, they call it. And any wrestling fan knows well, well about this. But if you don't know about it, it's fucking crazy. In their house, the heart house was like no other house in the world uh it's there's they have like 10 kids they have a million cats running around everywhere and there's stories that many people have told of stew heart sitting sitting there uh uh there was a cat he's making eggs in the pan and he's stirring it with the spatula and there's a cat turd up on the counter and he looks at it

flips the cat turd off the counter with the spatula puts it right back in the egg starts working that's the type of house we were dealing with here oh my god it's insanity all these kids uh plus stew runs a wrestling territory so there's always 10 wrestlers over which is nuts and in the basement is where he would torture people uh how he trained people was, Stu, he was an Olympic wrestler. He's a no shit. Like Grecian wrestling? Yeah, he was an Olympic. Even when he was 80 years old, he could take you and twist you,

a fucking healthy grown young man in a pretzel, and they couldn't do anything about it. He's just a fucking assassin, this guy. So he would take these big, strong, 300-pound, jacked-up-on steroids, thinking they're hot shit guys, and you go, ah, come over here, let me talk to you here. By the way, every wrestling fan of old school has three impersonations.

There's Stu Hart, which is, that, that, that. That's all he does. You got your Vince McMahon, which is hard to do with a cold. Take your shirt, put some overalls on and take your shirt off. It's very hard to do with a cold. Yeah, there's two. And Jim Barnett is the other one. He's an old promoter

and kind of player in wrestling and he was this gay southern boy and he'd say, my boy, my boy. That's what he'd call everybody. I'd hang out with that guy. He liked to ride in limos and drink and shit. He'd be fucking fun to hang out with. You're a southern gay man.

And he'd tell everybody and he was like a real player in the industry. But anyway, this guy wrestled for Stu Hart, who trained all these people. And I could give you names of a million people that he trained. Anybody from Canada he trained, basically. Got it. And a ton of other people also. But anyway, so this guy, he's a big deal. So Bob says about Gerd, quote, he tried to sell me some pots and pans.

So I told him in their own words, quote, all right, I'll buy your pots and pans if you get me started in wrestling. He started taking me to stews and I started working out at stews. The rest is history. It was a lifestyle that I thought I would like because I could work out when I wanted to do what I wanted to when I wanted to do it, and make decent money at the same time. So this is a lifestyle where he's like, hold on, I get to travel around, really don't have a boss. I work at night for like fucking an hour. And then I come home, like it's a comedian.

That's what comedians say. They're like, oh, that sounds fucking great. And I can make money doing it. Amazing. Now, comedian, it takes like years of doing it for free before that's an actual lifestyle for you. But in wrestling back then, if you were a young guy and you got trained and you got hired on, that would be your life. You'd just start now.

You'd just start now. I mean, you wouldn't have a ton of money, but as long as you had enough money to live and eat and get from town to town and have beer after the show. Done deal. You're fine when you're 25. What the fuck do you care? So it's a good lifestyle for him. He wanted to do it. And so he got tortured down in the torture chamber down there. So he's a tough son of a bitch and nobody ever uh takes that away from him he's a

tough bastard he's a he's a mean bastard people don't like him also it's another thing he's uh got one of the worst reputations i've ever heard robert yeah bob bob not stew bob has one of the worst reputations i've ever heard in wrestling. Everything I've read about him, there's like three people that have a nice word to say about him. Is that how good he is at wrestling? No. That he keeps doing it? He's good at it because, yeah, he's a good bad guy.

He looks like a fucking monster and he's a prick and he sounds like a prick when he does his interviews. He sounds like a big tough guy and this guy's got nothing. If it's a good young guy that everybody likes and you've got this big old burly bastard who wants to kick his ass, you boo him and he's a good guy to have around as a heel, as a bad guy. And nobody gives a shit because he's good at it. Exactly.

So he renamed himself his bruiser Bob Sweetan. He says, quote, I picked it out of the clear, clear, clear blue. Carson? No, Sweetan clear, clear blue. Carson? No, Sweetan, his wrestling name. Carson, I don't know where he pulled that out of his ass either, but no one ever asked him about that, so we don't know where he found that. And his birth name was Beer.

Yeah, Beer, Buyer, whatever the fuck. So now he's got Sweetan. Now he's got Sweetan, and it was Carson as his actual name. So it's very fucking confusing, which he's a guy who needs like five identities because he is an utter piece of shit and if i was him i would never want and my identity ever known to be linked with me for the awful things that this asshole does family you know anybody anybody other people

that share your last name you fucking jerk there are and these poor bastards boy they're the ones who definitely get hurt the most out of this. We'll talk about it. Now, that's an understatement, by the way. Now, he starts in 1965 with Stampede. That's just breaking in and probably his first couple matches there because after he got trained up. And then what they do is anywhere where you got trained in a place, then immediately they would send you somewhere else. Because the first thing you need to do is learn how to get the fuck out of here, go else and back then they would this is the difference between then and now and the guys now are trained a certain way there's different types of things there's different guys that come up different

ways there's guys like cassius ohno who's an nxt and who we talk about and who's a fan of ours and we're a fan of his uh uh he came up as an indie guy as chris hero as a long time and he's a fucking well-known, very, very excellent indie wrestler for a long, long time. High-level indie wrestler, not like a, not a, not like a, I don't know, he's a higher-level indie, like a very well-known nationally indie wrestler he was.

He came up that way, going all around, so he learned from a lot of people, and kind of came up the way the guys used to come up, sort of, whereas... The quote-unquote right way. Yeah, the way where you learn a lot. The guys now, a lot of them... The way it should be in fucking everything.

Yes, but they don't want that in WWE now because they want... Dude, I don't want to fucking bury this guy. I don't want him to get in trouble and shit, but he's like, that guy is better than a lot of guys they have up there, Cassius is, but I don't know if he's not. They didn't make him. So they had to give him a different name. God forbid if he was the same name that he's established for a long time.

Yeah, it'd be terrible. Yeah, it's so stupid. But anyway, they like to get a kid who's 20 years old and bring him in their developmental and train him up down there. And so all they ever know is what they're taught by one company and they never know anything else. Fuck, that's so similar. So it's so similar to comedy.

That's what they want to do. They want to take you in a club and make you a host and do all that shit. That's what comedy clubs do. It's the same exact thing. But the better thing to do back then was you could go out and go to every territory every few months, go to a different place because there was like a hundred territories and you learn everything. You learned how that audience was different in the south than it is in the north

and how to get something out of them and they like this and they like that and just psychology you get to meet a million different guys and learn from them in the ring and figure out what they know and you know it was a different type of thing uh now they don't really like that that much like i said they want a young guy they can train up to be exactly what they want like a corporate bartender yeah you know like we we want you to have our skills not just the skills we need you know our menu exactly nothing else our specialty drinks and you know it's the same fucking mixture as your fucking sex on the beach over there but but we call it something else because we got kids in our restaurant well i was gonna go the other way because we don't have kids we call it an inflamed butthole because we're really going for aggressiveness.

Because this is a gay bar. It's a gay bar. I'm sorry. That's awesome. So he heads east to the Maritimes, which is another territory over there, I guess, and then back to Calgary again. He was also in Kansas City for a short time in 65, 66, so you'd bounce around so much back then. It's crazy.

They'd live in hotel rooms. They'd rent a flop house motel room at a weekly rate because they knew they'd be gone in a few months. And they'll have fucking somebody else in that room doing the same shit. Yeah, someone else will take it over. Exactly, that room. Yeah. Someone else will take it over. Exactly. That's what happens.

1966. Now, I found a site that has like kind of stats of as far as like wins, losses, how many matches. And these it's not going to be accurate to everything because I'm sure Christ, he's going to wrestle some little show somewhere for some place. And those don't get counted. It's not going to get counted. It never got picked up in like a wrestling magazine that ended up archiving it. He needed gas money to get to exactly he might have done some ten dollar thing at a county fair nobody knows about but he had 95 matches on the record in 1966 so it's

getting right into it yeah that's that's really getting into the the swing of things uh uh he said uh he worked for stew hart a little bit more and And Bob said about Stu Hart, quote, Stu was very fair with me. When I look at the whole picture overall, I think we treated each other very fair. I never had any complaints about Stu. There were a lot of promoters I had complaints about, but not Stu. So he likes Stu Hart anyway. He liked Brett's dad, Brett Noen. Now, in 1967, he has 83 matches.

So he's staying in the flow he travels all around again he he's sweet sweet and he's this name through his whole career except for a short stint when he's in Texas he goes by and this is wow wait till I tell you about this later you're gonna fucking freak

out he goes by KO Cox now KO Cox is he goes by ko cox now ko cox uh uh is a he goes by that because he's a tag team partner with the last name of cox where he's going to be like a brother to and uh we'll tell you what his name is and you will not fucking believe it sucking what is it way worse than that you're not gonna believe jimmy you could name every disgusting sexual thing on it and it's not going to be as bad as what the fuck it is and you'll never guess what it is it has nothing to do with an actual cock it's worse than that it's insane uh he's it's the it's the most wrestling is another thing old school wrestling

there's a lot of racism involved in it as we know um like and that just and this was like up until like the 80s like it was you know every black guy had had a hard head. If you headbutted a black guy, you'd get hurt. That was the thing with every single one. Black guys have hard heads. Island guys have hard heads. Japanese people are sneaky. Anybody Asian was sneaky, and they throw salt in your face and shit like that. That's just how wrestling was.

The Asian tag team partners are always jumping in the ring. Always. Every time. And by the way, worse in the South in a lot of these. I'm sure. Yeah, as you can imagine. There was some race baiting going on down there, and it was crazy. In the ring, he was considered pretty decent.

One of his opponents from back in the day said, quote, he was a good follower. If you could lead him, he could follow you like a dancing partner. I've had better heels, but he was definitely a good one. He was kind of lazy sometimes. That would be his worst knock. He was easy to work with, though. That's right. So that's a good thing. That's kind of what you want. If you're a wrestler, you kind of

want everybody to say, like, oh, he's decent in the ring. He's good to work with. You don't want people to go, Jesus Christ, he was like fucking wrestling a washing machine. Because that's what some of the guys will say. I was like wrestling a fucking couch with that guy. Like, you can't, you know, everything he does hurts. And, you know, you can't do anything to him because he's awkward. And so he was easy enough to work with. But lazy. Like, what kind of shitty thing is that to say about somebody? Lazy, yeah.

What do you expect? The guy's... He'd grab, you know, he'd grab a chin lock. And instead of grabbing it for a minute to get a little bit of heat, he'd grab it for two minutes because he's fucking lazy. That's basically what it is. Because he's like, no, no, give it another minute. Because he just, you know, didn't feel like it. Let's lay here for a little while. That's basically what it is because he's like, no, no, give it another minute because he just didn't feel like it.

Let's lay here for a little while. That's what it was because if you have a 12-minute match and you've got a couple of rest spots in it where a rest holds where you've got a chin lock or a head lock for two minutes and it's a minute,

you can stretch it to two, you're doing a lot less in that match at that point. I'm flashing back to the Saturday and watching Royce. They don't do rest spots anymore. There was not a lot of resting, no. Especially in an indie show.

In an indie show, it's how many flips in a match and how many fucking times can a guy land on his head and not break his neck. It's like, that's a different thing, a different style, man. One dude grabbed the opponent by his neck with his feet like seven times in the match. Yeah, head scissors.

How many times can you fucking do that? That's like a lucha move. Yeah, yeah. And Royce has a guy out of the ring like drapes the dude over a child's lap and then fucking chest slaps him and looks right in the little girl's face and winks at her and says,

that was for you. Don't bring us into this shit. What if that guy gets mad? That's amazing. That's amazing. What if that wasn't part of the script, sir? That's great, man. I don't even think that that's your nephew or something.

Yeah, yeah. They just put your child in a headlock. What the fuck is going on here? That's hilarious. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.

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a it was different it was psychology so the matches were slower aren't in oh they weren't to say they weren't they weren't as athletic back then there was only a couple guys that were like real athletes and the rest of them were kind of i mean they were athletes but it was a different kind of athlete it was a lot about did you look it was it was different even the guys who were good athletes didn't look like it like you look at ver Gagne, who was like a fucking paunchy, fat, bald guy, and that guy was an Olympian who was signed by the Green Bay Packers. Right. You know what I mean?

So it's like, that guy's a world-class, top-notch athlete who looks like a fat, bald old man. Also, the chest then weren't like they were flat. No. Well, working out was different. They didn't have a belly. They were still flat. Working out was different. Nutrition was different.

The way they worked out was different. So chiseled. Yeah, and now, too, it's supplements and shit. And then, obviously, roids came in huge in the late 70s. They look amazing. I don't care if they're on or not. With Superstar Billy Graham and all that. I don't know now.

Whatever they want to get. I don't know how they would do it without it. Just the beating they take just for recovery time. That's crazy not to. I wish I had a third the body of these fellas. Oh, yeah, man. It was insane. That's so funny.

They really put it on the line, too. So there was a dude behind me. One guy wrestled with his shirt on, like cut off sleeves. Yeah. A lot of guys do that. There's a black guy behind me. Doesn't matter. It's right. I threw it in because he was definitely a black guy. He's a black guy behind me. As opposed to I wasn't sure if he was a black guy or not. As opposed to I wasn't sure if he was a black guy or not. I only know what his race was because the line was so funny, I turned around to high-five him. The guy gets in the ring with his shirt on and no sleeves, and the guy behind me shouts, Motherucking take your shirt off we ain't in the pool.

Dead silent in this arena. I was dying laughing. Nobody said anything. It stayed silent, mind you. Except for me cackling like a bastard. In the ring, do you know if he was supposed to be... He was the bad guy.

It's weird. Usually he would have turned around and said, you know. I don't know what kind of crowd it was. I mean, it was mixed with a bunch of middle class tattooed people. Okay. Interesting. Very few black guys. But this dude was like, he was so good.

He loves wrestling, clearly. And he is really good with the heckles. You have to be a little nicer, too, now, I think, at indie shows. Yeah. Because you could hear... If you watch... I remember a long time ago, I can't remember what the hell wrestler you were doing, but I watched this old house show from the Philadelphia Spectrum, which the Philly crowds are the

most... Vicious. Vicious. They're monsters. And Paul Orndorff coming to the ring, Mr. Wonderful, right? And he's fucking and paul orndorff coming to the ring mr wonderful right he's fucking great paul orndorff first of all one of the toughest son of a bitches you ever want to legitimate tough son of a bitch played in the nfl and just a bad motherfucker right he's coming in and he was jacked i mean cut jacked huge arms everything he comes to the ring

and you just hear people going hey orndorff you fucking and they're calling him every gay slur you can imagine and orndorff not ignoring it turns and you hear him on the unlike the house mic there picking it up it was so hot it was on fucking broadcast over tv and saved for 35 years he goes you look like you suck a lot more dicks than me you fucking asshole and i'm like there's 10 kids right there the front row i'm like you can I'm like, you can't do that anymore. You can't say that anymore. That shit came out on television. You get fired for that shit now.

The guy behind me had his boy sitting right next to him. It was just an amazing moment of a dad that clearly goes to pools and makes fun of people in his head. Yeah, yeah. With people that have their shirts on. And he just couldn't stifle it any longer and had to tell somebody to take their fucking shirt off. Take your fucking shirt off. We're not in the pool.

That's so funny. That is a great heckle. I was dying. That's a fantastic line. I was dying laughing. Yeah, I love a good heckle. Unbelievable. See, that's the comedy that's never a good heckle.

I've never heard a good heckle in comedy. It's always worthless. It's always, you suck, or say something funny. Yeah, or like repeating a joke you said two minutes ago to try to help you, I think. And you're like, shut up. That helps me. Who the fuck do you think you are? Let me finish what I'm saying.

That helps me. What you just said, not part of what I'm doing. Right. Not part of my script. You know the part that you're supposed to laugh at? If you don't laugh at that, that also helps me. Yeah. Because I know that joke's not funny.

Exactly. Just fucking laugh where the laugh is and don't where it's not. And then the rest of it, keep your fucking mouth shut. They don't need you here for any of that shit. It's that easy. It's really that fucking easy. Yeah. If you go to a comedy show, shut the fuck up.

There's never, and I promise you this, never, ever a time unless the comedian has had an obvious seizure and is down for over two minutes because it might be a bit otherwise. Fucking let it play out. Sometimes. You never know. He might be doing an Andy Kaufman kind of a fucking character. You don't fucking know. Unless that's happened, stay in your seat.

Shut the fuck up. Shut up. If you talk, when you order a drink, do it quietly. Don't go, hey, can I get in? The guy is talking and you're distracting five fucking people around you from hearing a goddamn joke, you cocksucker. Sorry, that's a. You know, when your waitress or whatever the waitstaff is asks you your order, match their volume or lower.

Or lower. That's it. And if they're talking loud, you keep it lower. Keep them down. You indicate to that bartender or server that they may have made a mistake. It'll help everybody. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Bob says he's a good wrestler, though.

He's proud of how good of a wrestler he is. His finishing move is the pile driver, which I think everyone on earth knows what a pile driver is. If you don't, you put the guy's head between your legs there, and you lift him up with his feet in the air, and then you jump on your ass, theoretically spiking his head into the... This would cripple anybody. This would break...

Anybody, if you actually did this to them, they would be 100% paralyzed. Like, you can't do this to another human being. It's doing nothing for the conception that wrestling's fake. No, but it looks fucking amazing. Right. Well, some of the old territories and shit,

they used to do it right. Like, they used to do a thing in Memphis where the pile driver was banned because it was too dangerous. Really? And then every once in a while, they'd sneak it in, and then the guy would be hurt. They would always hurt the guy. So they would make it like, fuck, if a guy does that, he's fucking hurt.

Right. So that was, you know, that's what they did to Andy Kaufman, and he had the big neck brace on because Jerry Lawler pile driving. Right. So that was a crazy move. And it looks, nothing looks more devastating besides a power bomb which like a pile driver apparently doesn't make any sense at all like a pile driver if done correctly apparently the guy taking it doesn't feel shit like the guy just protects his head with his legs and he you know he just lands and he's fine and then he flops like he flops like acts like he's dead whereas a

power bomb is just i'm gonna pick you up as high as i can and i'm gonna slam your back into the fucking ground it's not even a body slam or i'm holding you most of the way down. I'm just going to fucking spike you on your back. Enjoy. And the noise from those... It's crazy. When you're right next... When you watch it on TV and you hear the bang, it's obvious that something really amazing just happened.

That's incredible. When you see it live and you are... I was right next to it. It is so fucking loud. I can't believe they can next to it. It is so fucking loud. I can't believe they can bounce back and forth. Obviously, the ring is, there's some technology in there built to. Not particularly, though. It's pretty much plywood with a fucking, with like a piece, one piece of padding and a fucking,

like a gym padding on it, and then a mat over top of it. Oh, this shit was like metal. You could hear the metal rattle. That's the things underneath. Yeah, they mic'd that shit so you can hear it, so it sounds better, but it's all mic'd up it's loud as it's loud as fuck and dude that shit like you have to learn how to do that like you have to fall 500 times before you can fall and pop right back up and be fine if i power bombed you on a ring you would be fucking hurt for six months because it's just your body is not used to that nerves and shit your organs would

melt in your rib cage you'd be fucking destroyed your body's just not used to that. Injun nerves and shit. Your organs would melt in your rib cage. You'd be fucking destroyed. Your body's just not used to taking that kind of rattle. He says about his career, Bob does, quote, I've seen different guys use the pile driver. I don't give a fuck how many guys try it. They don't do it the same way I did. It looked like it was dead on every time I did it. I don't give a fuck.

You could go out there with a camera right now, right there on the mat, right between my legs, and you still would have sworn the man got jacked. These things I did, I tried to do them as solid as possible, as believable as possible. Most of the time, even as the guys I worked with, I was stiff. Now, stiff means that he hits hard. Stiff means when he gives you a chop, it's a fucking chop. It's legit. Yeah, it's a little everything's snug. It doesn't look fake.

If he does a punch to the face, he's going to make a little contact with you. Not going to punch you full force, but his hand's going to hit your head. Sure. Be ready for that shit. You know? It's going to look real is the way he's trying to do it. And a lot of guys did the pile drive. Jerry Lawler did.

Had a great pile drive. Fucking Orndorff's was the best. My favorite one is the one that's holding the belt buckle. You know what I mean? When you hold the person's belt buckle above your head and then it looks like you're actually like pulling them. Oh, that's a reverse. Like a tombstone, you mean? Where he's like

69ing on you basically between your legs? You mean the other way? Yes. I'm talking about a pile driver where when you pick him up, his back is to your chest. Oh, okay. Like that's a pile driver. Alright, I'm seeing it from the other way. You're seeing a tombstone. Yeah, that's a different, that's like a reverse that later on turned into

a tombstone. Morocco used to use it and then Undertaker stole it and they acted like he made it up. Undertaker, right. Yeah. That was Don Morocco's old finishing move for years. It was fucking great. It looked devastating. Is he holding the belt buckle too? That's the part that I fucking love. He would hold them with one fucking hand and point

to Bobby the Brain Heenan, the bad guy announcer, and he'd be like, this is for you, Bobby, and he'd fucking spike the guy. He was fucking great, Morocco was. What a great bad guy. I really like the holding the belt buckle. It looks like you're actually yanking into it as you fall down. Or the spike pile driver, where they have the guy up for a regular pile driver, then his tag team partner gets up on the ropes and grabs his feet and it looks like they're

spiking him with his fucking feet even harder. Oh my God. To make sure your neck is broken. And then somehow that guy's just in the show next week. That doesn't make any sense. It's crazy. So Bob says here, quote about the pile driver again, quote, I never hurt anybody in all the years I used it.

I never hurt anybody. I did pile drivers off the apron onto the concrete floor. I did pile drivers four feet through a table onto the cement floor. Guys weighing 260, 280, 300, 350. I never hurt one of them. Wow. So he's very proud. And you'll get that a lot. Guys who could do

shit that looked devastating and not hurt them, they're very proud of that. And they should be, because that's the art of wrestling, is to be able to do the craziest move and have it not hurt anybody. That's what you're supposed to do. Like, Bret Hart always talks about that as, like, you know, I never hurt anybody. That's why I'm good, you know, because you could get in the ring with me, and you're going to be able to wrestle tomorrow. I'm not going to fuck you up.

So that's a good skill to have. As long as you're athletic, because if I did that shit, fuck whether or not he could hurt me. I would be sore just from running around and bouncing off of ropes and shit these guys yeah that would that would do that only bruises on your fucking ribs i can't pull weeds and and not be fucked up for four days my stepmother's grandfather was a boxing manager like good boxing manager he had a ring in his yard like in a you know in a structure it wasn't just sitting in the yard it was he had a gym built in his yard and had a ring in it and it was a boxing ring. But if you're nine and into wrestling,

you're going to take your cousin out there and use it as a wrestling ring. And that's what we did coming off the top rope. And we figured out how to run the ropes like they do. And the first few times you do it, you will get bruises. Completely fuck your back up. It's so messed up. Your rib cage, because you hit it kind of on the side. It's messed up.

Almost have to wear football pads to do it. Yeah, it hurt. But we were like, this is awesome. We were actually doing this. We'd fly off the top rope like lunatics. Oh, you're out of your mind. It was crazy. We were nine. We didn't care.

Like leaning back into it and then rocketing out of it. As an adult, it would kill you. Yeah. But you can do a pile drive and not hurt. Even like a tombstone. Pete Rose took a goddamn tombstone at WrestleMania or some shit or SummerSlam or something. Yeah, he took it from Kane. He took a fucking, doing like like the late 90s he took a tombstone from him right in the middle of the ring and it looked like he broke his fucking neck he did it perfectly and he was fine

who now is a fucking a mayor of some town in Tennessee yeah that's interesting and he's a Republican that's odd that's weird yeah we're gonna have it's a very strange fucking part of the party okay bizarre so uh he says that but he took a lot of pride in his in his style. Like I said, he said about this, he said, quote, I was a tight worker. Everything was close. I don't think there was ever anything that I did that didn't look real. Maybe at the beginning when I didn't know what I was doing, but I always prided myself on hard work. I always got the saying, hey, you're too small.

You're too small for this. You're too small for that. I just had to saying, hey, you're too small. You're too small for this. You're too small for that. I just had to prove them wrong. That was my motivation. So sounds like a plucky underdog that you can root for, right? Cheap on his shoulder. You're kind of guy, Jimmy, right?

My kind of guy. Not so much. Let's hear some other people's opinions on him. Jim Ross, the announcer for WWE Forever, has a fuckload of barbecue restaurants and shit and whatever the hell he does. He says about, he's got a lot to say about. Really?

He fucking hates him. It's great. Awesome. He says, quote, he was a bully. I think his real name was Robert Carson, but I don't know for sure. I don't recall for sure. He was not a nice guy and he got a huge break from Bill Watts, who ran mid-south Louisiana, Oklahoma wrestling territory down there. Louisiana, Oklahoma wrestling territory down there.

Sweetin wasn't a bad hand in the ring, and he was a believable villain, but not someone I would invite into my home. Perhaps others who read this will know more about Sweetin and his life after wrestling because he's trying to hint at what he did because bad shit happened. He talks a little more about him, and we have a couple. Good hand. Don't read his erection record. Don't read what happened. No, he talks about a couple of different incidents with Bob here, which just really gives you a good insight into his character.

He said he doesn't know how his tag team partner tolerated him. He says, I'll never know because Bob Sweeten, as I knew well by now, was one of the most cantankerous human beings I had ever encountered. There it is, my favorite word. It's the most cantankerous human beings i had ever encountered there it is my favorite it's my most cantankerous i love a southern person saying someone's cantankerous that's my favorite shit in the world the most cantankerous some bitch i ever did meet in my entire life as long as it's followed by some bitch yeah we both knew that some bitch was coming up next there was no fucking doubt about that at all. I want to laugh so bad I'm going to cough if I laugh.

Damn it. Damn it. Stop making me laugh. I never want to be labeled like that where- The most cantankerous son of a bitch. I don't want anybody to write something about me where they're like, I don't know how James sat next to him for so many hours. He's such a piece of shit shit just a complete piece of shit that is why i do my best to live the fucking nicest possible

way because i don't want anybody like yeah you don't want this into how much of a piece of shit i mean he said i like the other guy but i don't know how he put up with this son of a bitch some bitch this he's talking about the second time he ends up working with Bob, because we'll talk about the first time when Jim Ross first broke into the business as a referee. But this is a little later on. So he was a ref before he was an announcer? Yeah, most of the guys were. Most of the guys would start out as either a referee or selling sodas, taking pictures.

Interesting. They'd do whatever. They'd hang around for a long time. And then eventually they'd be like, hey, go take the guy's ring jackets back to the locker room. And then you'd be there. then it would be hey you know maybe drive that guy to the airport and then next thing you know when you're 18 or so hey maybe you want to go referee a few matches and then you get bigger like jake the snake roberts and maybe you're

a wrestler you become a manager that way or that's how all those guys started back in the day was refereeing and they learned the business they'd send them to ref because they you'd learn the match you can't you can watch two guys who are good at it from two feet away from them in the ring. You can hear what they're saying to each other. You can figure out their psychology with the crowd and why they're doing it and shit like that. So it was a good way to train guys. He says, Jim Ross says, that Bob had gotten even more miserable in the last few years since I'd seen him. I don't know whether I was happy not to find out that his bullying wasn't just

limited to me, but not by any stretch. Sweetin also took advantage of job guys, wrestlers just passing through or locals. Guys were the least likely to say anything who could make waves for him because he was the top heel. So guys that he was supposed to beat on TV that were just local guys who didn't

do this every day, who had worked at a factory and then they'd make $25 to wrestle a match on the weekend on TV that were just local guys who didn't do this every day, who had worked at a factory and then take advantage. Yeah. They'd make $25 to wrestle a match on the weekend on TV and he would take advantage of them because they couldn't do anything about it. He'd knock them around. He's telling them, you know, they know they're getting beat. So if he says I'm clothesline, they go off the ropes.

He fucking levels them rather than hitting them. Nice. He hits them real hard. And what are they going to do about it? Guys that don't matter. No, they can't fight back because their, their job is to get beat and then they get in the back. What are they going to do? Go complain to the owner. This guy's a top guy. They're going to tell him, all right, don't matter no they can't fight back because their their job is to get beat and then they get in the back what are they gonna do go complain to the owner this guy's the top guys they're gonna tell him all right don't come back next week then fuck you whereas

this guy yeah they did that that went on for years a lot of guys that was still going on in the 90s wow like scott steiner would do that to guys really absolutely steiner brothers would fuck guys up and yeah that was a that was a known thing that guys would do if guys were assholes that's how you knew if they were assholes they take advantage of the people who couldn't do anything about it yeah because if it's a guy that is a is a established guy that works there you can't do that to him because he'll fucking hit you right back and then he'll get in the back and be like want to go motherfucker in the locker room and he ended up fighting i hope the fucking iron sheik never did that stuff he was a bad he was known yeah he was interesting guy. Sheik helped a lot of guys because he was a trainer.

Yeah. So he would help a lot of guys out. Also a train wreck. Yeah, later. But in the ring, he wasn't known as a bad. Okay. Later on when he was broken down and we started drinking and all that shit in the late 80s. But before that, he was always known as a fucking machine.

Just a machine who was a really good worker. I heard that the death of his daughter is what fucking ruined him. That's what I heard, too. Fucked him all up. I don't know. He started from everything I've gathered that the death of his daughter is what fucking ruined him. That's what I heard too. Fucked him all up. I don't know. Everything I've gathered from wrestling interviews and shit, he started with the drugs and the booze and shit kind of in the early 80s. That's when

that started kind of right when he got popular with WWF around that time because before that he was a Muslim. No fucking booze. No drugs. No nothing. He had a six pack. He was skinny. He was a completely different guy. Great looking man. Yeah, no drugs, no nothing. He had a six-pack. He was skinny. He was a completely different guy.

Great-looking man. Yeah, he really was an athlete. Amazing athlete. Again, a legit athlete, another guy, a legit AAU champion. Olympic athlete. He trained our Olympians after he came here from Iran. He was a really amazing guy. And then he became an asshole, but not this bad of an asshole. Not this bad of an asshole.

Not bad enough of an asshole to be featured here. No, no, no, no, no. He said, though, this guy, he would take advantage of that. He said he also took liberties with the McGuire twins. I don't know if you know who the McGuire twins are. Probably not young people, but the McGuire twins are a couple of 650-pound twin brothers. Jesus. Identical.

And they were like six feet tall. They weren't like seven foot two. They weren't like Uncle Elmer. They were fucking. Just fat fucks. They were huge. I mean, enormous. They had special made cars and shit.

Like they couldn't fit in normal things. Like they were. Overalls? Of course. They were hillbilly. Put your goddamn overalls on. They're hillbillies. What else would they wear?

Take your shirt off. I want to see side tit popping out of those overalls. That's better. I knew it. That's better. I fucking knew it. I don't know who they are, but I knew they were overalls. Long hair, beards, the whole deal.

There's a famous publicity photo of them on a motorcycle with a sidecar. Really? And it's taken up the entire road wide. Just look like two dudes with tires hanging out of their ass. They're huge. And I guess they wrestled with with uh bob wrestled with them and jim ross says quote he took advantage of their lack of experience in the ring and just beat the shit out of them i knew by now that wrestling was a tough physical sport but if you're going in with the intent of hurting your opponent you're in the wrong field he said i was the referee and i saw firsthand just

how brutal the shots were i tried to intervene but but Sweetin was not exactly as of a mind to heed my feeble warnings. So he took his time at making himself look like the baddest guy around. And when it came to the finish, he would tag his partner to get pinned because those twins would have to win because they were the good guys and they were kind of the popular attraction. And so then he would beat the shit out of him and then let the other guy, he let his partner take the loss. He's a complete piece of shit. And that's what he was saying. I don't know why that guy liked him. And he said the other guy didn't mind doing the job, didn't mind getting beat because he knew he wouldn't be back around that small town for a while.

And he was a professional. He said Sweeten, on the other hand, was a complete piece of feces. So that is a an opinion. Yeah. He also says, quote, he operated how he wanted because he knew he enjoyed the protection of Grizzly Smith, who was the owner's, Leroy McGurk's right hand man. Grizz and Sweetin were friendly and they had a few things in common, including an interest in very young females.

Oh, no. Grizzly Smith is Jake the Snake Roberts' father. That's right. Yeah. That's why I knew that name. Possibly the biggest piece of shit in the history of wrestling, who, as you might recall, if you heard the Jake the Snake episode. Can I say it?

Raped an underage woman and created Jake the Snake. Not only that. Not only that. Was seeing this underage woman's mother was at a date at her house and raped her sleeping teenage daughter and then married the teenage daughter. And they had Jake the Snake. That was what Jake the Snake Roberts was. And then also, by the way, shocker, that wasn't his only incident with young girls.

Basically, throughout his entire life, he has incident after incident. And it's like Buck Zoomhoff. And it's like a lot of these guys back then. They'd go from town to town to town. They'd have what they call ring rats. They'd have all these girls around. God, have all these girls around god what a gross word it's a gross word but they would some of the guys would go after teenage fucking girls and they were teenage girls in small towns who didn't know shit about shit and these guys would come in and they were a little more world weary and they knew what

was going on and they knew how to talk to these girls and they would fuck teenage girls all over the country not all of them this was a few of the guys. If there was a pervert, this was the perfect industry for them because they'd come in, they could fuck them, they're gone the next day. Vile. It's disgusting. And back then, that kind of shit wouldn't get reported. What's a worse word? Ring rat, lot lizard, or chuckle fucker?

I'm going to go with, ooh, that's a good one. I think it's ring rat. Ring rat's probably the worst. At least the lot lizard gets money. Yeah, yeah. And chuckle fucker just means who you're fucking. But a ring rat, you're actually being called a rodent, which I think is worse. That's pretty fucking horrible.

You're just scurrying around the ring like a rat looking for whatever you can gather up. Reaching for sweaty. It's very disrespectful. So vile. Anyway, he liked to hang out with Gri with grizzly smith because they both liked very young girls he said quote this is leroy mcgurk he's talking about leroy i think it's him uh leroy even told me that he had to stop running texarkana as part of a deal to allegedly get grizz out of a charge involving a young girl there he can't be in texarkana anymore they stopped bringing

wrestling shows wow this territory stopped going to texarkana ruined the market ruined the market because that was part of the deal you or any of your scumbag fucking wrestlers wow you any of your scumbag carny workers don't come to this fucking town banging our underage girls anymore that's that would be that they would do that though rather than, they'd go, just don't come back here now. That's what would happen back then. And then the promoter, rather than firing Grizzly Smith, saying, you disgusting son of a bitch, he'd keep him on. He'd just say, well, we won't run there anymore.

You know, Grizz is too valuable of an operation. Oh, my God. It's fucking disgusting. That's the equivalent of, like, if a major comedian banged an underage girl in, like, fucking in Huntington huntington alabama or huntsville and they had to just close up the comedy club we're just not gonna have any stand up here anymore because you never know you never know do it yeah they just don't trust any of them coming through this town with our young girls how fucking horrible it's it's insane man so

he says quote and since part of grizzly's job was to make the house shows and report back to the office he was always in close enough contact with minors for something bad to happen. That's disgusting. Parents would drop their kids off at the shows, and because we hit the same towns weekly, it was easy for young ladies to figure out what restaurants the guys visited and what hotels they occupied. In that environment, someone with a perversion could easily become a predator. And that's a fact.

And he says about Bob, let's hear what he says about Bob in this thing here. Quote, I still remember the first time I became acutely aware of Sweetin's part in it, and that memory still makes me nauseous. We were waiting to do some interviews at the local TV station after a show at Fort Smith, Arkansas one night, and one of the sponsors was there with his wife and little girl who was maybe 12 to meet the wrestlers. Sweetin muttered to me, quote, I could make her purr like a kitten. Oh, that's disgusting. I leaned towards Sweetin, mortified that the sponsor

might overhear this discussion, and said quietly, well, that might not make her husband too happy. And Bob replied with a smile, I'm not talking about the mother. Oh, no. That's the kind of cat we're dealing with. Oh, my God. Not Jimmy's kind of

guy let's just say that oh for pete's sake is that the fucking yeah we're both making say that out loud in public he said that somebody about a 12 year old and he said it like proudly like he's gonna like see that right there like like if there was a hot girl and everybody was of age and he was like, I was with her last night. Isn't that nice? And you'd be like, ooh, man, I made her perfect. No, he said, I can make her perfect. He's a disgusting.

You have to wait until we post. You've seen it if you go on social media because we'll post a picture of the guy. He's a disgusting man. If you were a young girl and you, God, God, I feel so bad. And you saw this fucking man coming at you. This is the stuff of nightmares. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Looks like he was on fire and his face was put out with an ax. An ax. And he's 285 pounds of sweat. Vent the heat. And he's got curly hair, like this curly fucking mop and this face and the fucking razor blade scars all over his head because he's, you know, he's back in the day when they bleed every night. And he thinks he's hot enough to fuck a 12 year old he thinks he's

gonna fuck a 12 year how hot do you have to be to fuck a 12 year old is that the question of the day i just said that's a weird game how hot do you have to be to fuck a 12 year old that is the worst game in town wow i don't know why that is a disgusting question am i doing uh he said there's a wow that was that was horrendous maybe he doesn't realize that he's old but you know yeah no no he knows does he know that he's ugly and i'm pretty sure he's aware of it i think he's just a piece of shit and at that point he's in his 30s he's 35 30 this is, yeah, 37-ish around there. Jim Ross also says, I love that we get a lot of good insight from Jim Ross on this guy. He says that was from his book, Slobberknocker, I think it's called. So you can go out and get that book.

That's a great title. Yeah, it's good because he always says that about matches to Slobberknocker. That's great. So he says that he was a referee in the beginning of his career, obviously, like we said, and it was in that territory, Oklahoma, there, where he's from. He said, you know, Bob at the time was one of the top heels in the company. He's a 300-pound guy, big guy,

and he's talking about how much of a bully. He says during matches, he would, quote, accidentally bloody my nose. And he said one time he also blackened my eye. I guess this was over the course of a few weeks. Every time they in the ring he'd hit him with an elbow inadvertently yeah he'd do something to fucking hit jim ross and fuck him up because he was a new guy and he felt like picking on him and he's the lowest guy in the totem pole and he can't do anything about it but drawn blood yeah he didn't care that's what that's what the game you're not even drawing blood on your

opponent but back in the day the goal of every wrestler with new people was to make them quit. That's what they used to do. When you were training, the goal was to make you not come back the next day because they don't want you in the business. Hulk Hogan, his first time he came into Hiromatsu, the guy snapped his ankle on purpose. He put him in a hold and he fucking snapped his ankle. And he said, there you go, big man. Don't come back next time. And Hulk Hogan came back when it healed.

And he said, maybe you're serious. And then he started training him because he said, now you're serious. And then he started training him, because he said, now you're serious. But let's see if you're serious. You're going to have to break something and come back before I'll believe you're serious and I want to teach you shit. Which is, that's how they kept people out back then,

and it worked. That's why people thought it was fake or still didn't know if it was fake, whatever, until the 80s or so. They knew it was fake, but it wasn't like, they'd go, that was real. That match was real. It was just so. It was guys like this that would make the pile driver look real. Yeah, they'd say He knew it was fake, but it wasn't like Garen. They'd go, that was real. That match was real. It was just so.

It was guys like this that would make the pile driver look real. Yeah, they'd say, the other shit was fake, but that match was real. I've seen it. That's all for this. I saw it. He hit his head right on it, and people would do it. So anyway, he said he would accidentally bloody his nose and give him a black eye, and he felt, now Jim Ross was brand new.

He's the lowest guy, so he couldn't protest at all. He said that, quote, it was all part of paying my dues or so I thought. OK, you're paying your dues and bills and bills. Yeah, but it was just, you know, that's it. You get beat up in the wrestling business and you can't complain about it. That's part of it. Now, another time we'll talk about how that played out another time in the same period. He says that a riot started in lake charles

a lot of times back then the fans would get really mad at the bad guys for whatever they did to the good guys and they would literally attack them they would with bats and bottles and these guys would get stabbed all the time where's lake charles minnesota it's no no louisiana okay this is a that was the worst down there too apparently in terms of in terms of danger for wrestlers. I just guessed at the place with the most lakes. A lot of lakes, yeah. So they said that the Louisiana, it was a match with Grizzly Smith, Bob and Grizzly Smith against each other, picking out young girls in the front who can fuck a kid first. Winner gets their choice.

What does it take to fuck a 12-year-old? That's a different kind of match, inside a steel cage. He said that, Jim said he was the referee, and he said the Lake Charles police were tough, and one of them had the fat end of a pool cue hollowed out and filled with lead, so it was an advanced nightstick that did significant damage to shit. That was to clear the way so the wrestlers could get back. They would just whack people because these were drunken rednecks trying to stab you. A hollowed out pool queue

filled with lead. That's what I mean. That was the security back then. It wasn't like now where they have everything all roped off and it's all secure and if one guy comes across

he's going to go to court and this was guys would come up stab people disappear into the crowd. That was it. They'd never find them. And if a guy did get caught

by the wrestlers would take him in the back and beat the living shit out of him and the sheriffs would throw him outside. You got what you deserve, son. He's taking this fake shit real serious. It's fucking crazy, man, yeah.

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Jim said he had to follow Bob back to the locker room through the angry fans while Grizzly Smith was in the ring bleeding, laying there, and the referee was always supposed to leave with the bad guy because that's where the cops would be. The cops would be helping the bad guy out, and usually they'd be mad at the referee, too, for whatever, with the bad guy because that's where the cops would be the cops would be helping the bad guy out and usually they'd be mad at the referee too for whatever because the bad guy yeah the referee was distracted and he fucking jacked him up with something and now they're pissed at the referee uh so he said that's what he would do he said uh the cops were all right and they were doing what they could but they couldn't prevent him from getting punched a

whole bunch while he was trying to get through uh he said a lot of people wanted to they wanted to beat up Bob and they took it out on him because Bob was more protected and also a lot larger. So they said when they get back, I guess Bill Watts wasn't happy about it. And he said that he got chewed out for it. Jim Ross ended up getting chewed out for this whole fucking thing happening for what Bob caused. He said he got yelled at for it. He said he made $40 that night.

The way he put it, quote, I made a whopping 40 bucks that night. Got my ass chewed out mercifully by my boss the next time that he saw me. Had teeth loosened in a ride and took an inadvertent shot with a lead-filled nightstick that broke a blood vessel in my upper arm that eventually turned my arm black and blue. Oh, my God. It was so unsightly that Watts made me wear a long-sleeved referee shirt so the grotesque bruise wouldn't be a distraction. Oh, Christ. Yep, there's nothing like wearing long sleeves in Louisiana in the summertime

for $40. You got to want to do that. And almost got fired. That's like only wrestlers and comedians would do some stupid shit like that. Only, only that. For $40. For 40 bucks. For 40 bucks. Now get out there and cover the check drop.

That's what it was. That's exactly what it is. You did all that. Now get out there and fucking dance around while the lights are on and people are doing math. Enjoy. No one will look at you if you set yourself on fire. Have fun. Tell jokes, though.

Don't just do crowd work. Really get into it. Tell jokes while some lady is yelling at her husband for tipping the waitress too much and accusing him of wanting to fuck her. Yeah, he's like, what? It's 25%. You're like, she just liked her tits. And they're like, I'm trying. I have a joke.

And you can't yell at them because the audience doesn't even feel wrong. Then they're like, fuck you. This is my money. And you're like, that's a good point. I don't know what to tell you. Fuck me and my autistic son. I had had a joke about it but you can eat dicks i guess fuck it so i jesus wow uh so bob though there was some retribution for this and this is gonna normally all we have is jail this we have we have an actual uh good way a good way for him to get some retribution doled out upon him here.

Stone Cold Steve Austin says, quote, in every locker room that I was ever in, whether it be college football or pro wrestling, the boys policed themselves. If someone was screwing things up for everyone else, then that guy was given a chance to right his wrong. If he refused, then other means of correcting the problem were put into play. Now, let's find out some other means of correcting the problem here. Soap bars and tube socks? Well, no. Well, kind of worse, I would say here. While this was going on, all this stuff with Jim Ross and this guy giving him black eyes and bloody noses and all this shit, Jim Ross's kind of mentor in the business and his traveling

partner and his idol is a guy named Danny Hodge. Danny Hodge is probably the toughest man that ever lived. He literally can snap pliers with his hands. Like break them off? He would do these displays where he would go to a hardware store, get a box of pliers and stand there and- Just break them. Squeeze pliers till they explode.

He could break an apple with his hands. Wow. Crush an apple into a million pieces with his fucking hands. That's the type of strength this guy has. He was like an Olympic wrestler. He was every, I think he says, well, he's got some stats here. Three-time NCAA National Wrestling Champion at Oklahoma University. Because you ain't getting out of his grip.

Who was never defeated and who in his senior year never gave up a point on the mat. Wow. Nobody's ever done that. Not even lost. No, never even gave up a point. No one got a point on him. Represented the USA in two Olympic games and then took up boxing and won a gold gloves title. So you say, I think I'll just be the best boxer.

Just the baddest motherfucker. Like if he was alive today, he would be the biggest star in UFC. Just somehow had the best hands ever. Ever. And also could wrestle. he would be the biggest star in ufc just somehow had the best hands ever ever and also could rest just he would be the biggest star in ufc like he would be he would be a fucking nobody get away he'd have a hundred million dollars right now if he it'd be amazing anyway this guy hodge who who ross looked up to and was his mentor this guy was ross's mentor he says that hodge had been bullied by a kid a kid, and that's why he got so tough, and he wasn't very tolerant of bullying. And he said that Hodge, the whole time this was going on, Hodge was off in Japan wrestling.

When he got back and heard what happened, he wasn't too fucking happy with Bob. Really? And so somehow he got a match with Bob pretty soon after that. Pretty quick, I imagine. Yeah, he said, quote, Hodge saw my black eye and was filled in by other wrestlers of Sweeten's conduct regarding rookies and people by the real-life villain that he could intimidate and bully. He said, in the match with the 220-pound Hodge, Sweeten was humbled, physically gassed, and punished while being made to look far from invincible in his casting as the territory's

top antagonist. Ironically, the booking that night called for Hodge to lose, which he did. When it was all said and done, though, Sweetin did not look like a winner. Hodge was verbally reprimanded by management for making the top bad guy look not so bad that evening. Within a few months, Sweetin was out of the territory because few wanted to work with him, ride with him, or associate with him outside of work. How about that? So he's just a piece of shit, but apparently this guy just got in the ring

and fucking slapped him around, held him down. And this is a good testament to anti-bullying, but I think that we need bullies so that we have the anti-bullying. Exactly. You know what I mean? There has to still be... He was bullied, so he became an anti-bully.

Yeah, you have to. Otherwise, you have no empathy for that. Exactly. No one's ever going to have any empathy for bullying because you've never gotten bullied. It sucks. It's horrible. And it happened to me for my entire childhood life until I started selling weed.

That's the only reason I had friends was because I was the guy that you saw for a drug. Don't punch him anymore. He's got green. That was always pretty funny. I had that going on. That'll help too. I literally tell stories and be like, he's fucking funny. But I think that there's a place, just like everything that there's a place just like everything there's a

place for it there's a value in it it sucks it's fucking horrific in the end at the end you learn valuable lessons about shitty and people yeah and it's horrible i know people kill themselves and everything else but eventually the bully gets his comeuppance and it's usually beautiful absolutely sometimes most of the time and sometimes they're president. Who the fuck knows? Anyway. Sweeten, he said, now Bob, Jim also said there was another riot where fans started throwing chairs into the ring. Now Bob talks about this. There's a riot where fans started throwing chairs into the ring and nobody was helping him because everyone hated him.

So that's the other thing, too. People will help you if people are fucking with you. And if they're not, they're like, he's an asshole that likes to bully people. Let's see how he gets out of throwing chairs at him. Fuck him. Exactly. He'll be all right.

So Bob says that people are throwing chairs into the ring. And he said, quote, finally, I said, OK, this is it. Nobody came out of the dressing room to help my ass. I jumped out of the ring and went running back to the dressing room. They'd locked the fucking doors and I couldn't get in. I had to go up on the stage and go down another way to get to the fucking dressing room. He had to get out of the chair, go right the fuck back through him to the other side. Fuck him.

That's how you don't want people to dislike you. And later on, that would be all the ribs in wrestling. We talked about Sonny, people shitting in her bag and all that type of thing. It's pretty awesome. Jerry Lawler getting his crown shit in because people didn't like him. In wrestling, there will always be what they call a receipt. You'll always get a receipt. Whether it's in the ring, you fuck somebody, you lump them up, they're going to hit you back once.

Oops, sorry, didn't mean to get you that time. If you do something outside the ring, they're going gonna fucking figure out a way to get you back for it whether it's cut the legs off your pants back in the day or all that kind of receipt it's a receipt they call it i got a receipt for you they call them baseball too awesome rod talked about that having a great receipts a guy hits a home run off you and takes a couple extra steps looking for you got a receipt for that motherfucker later on he's gonna catch one in the shoulder blades yeah between the back yeah he told me this one guy he hit the guy real quick this guy hit a home run off him he said he looked toward his own dugout when he did it but he took like a couple steps and was pointing in the dugout

and rod looked at him rod said he knew the guy from the minor leagues liked him they were good friends after the game he ran into him leaving the stadium and he goes hey good shot out there he goes you know i gotta beat you now right and he goes, hey, good shot out there. He goes, you know I got a beanie now, right? And he goes, I know, dude, I know. He goes, but my coach was giving me shit about what counts to swing on, and I was right, so I was trying to make a point to him. He goes, it wasn't about you. He goes, I know, but I still got a beanie.

And he's like, no, no, I know. He said they didn't face him again for like three years in a good situation until finally Rod, the guy's up, Rod's pitching. It's ninth inning. The team's up by three, and there's two Rod, the guy's up, Rod's pitching. It's ninth inning. The team's up by three and there's two outs and nobody's on base. And he said, this guy comes up. He said, I made eye contact with him. And he said it was three years later.

I made eye contact with him. He made eye contact with me. He said, we both knew it was happening. He stepped in, barely even got in a stance. First pitch, I beamed him in the ass. He nodded to me, took the base. That was it. You know, it's coming. It's fair. Game's about to be over anyway. Game's about to be over. It the ass. He nodded to me, took the base. That was it. You know it's coming.

Game's about to be over anyway. It's fair. He's like, yep, that's right. You owe me from three years ago, but they remember. And the wrestlers are the same way. Now, when he was in Maritimes in 69, he meets a guy named Fred Prosser, who will become Fred Sweetin later on, and also the worst wrestling name in the history of the world.

We'll talk about it right now. He became tag team brother tag team partners as the Sweeten brothers. They went back to Calgary. Bob had blonde hair and he remembered about about this Prosser guy. He said, quote, I told Stu I'd bring this guy out and make him my brother, cousin or whatever. And it went from there. Now, with Prosser uh it was said about them quote bob always had good heat here which means people wanted to kick his ass the crowd did and he had

a long tag run with gil hayes and fred fitted right into things bob tended to be of the bombastic loudmouth fred the more strong quieter brute of the pair now they ended up also hooking up in kansas city this is where bob was called K.O. Cox. Okay. Now, his brother, partner, guess what his name was? I got so mad. I know you said Ryder Cox and all this. Blackson? Fucking worse.

His name was, now, mind you, this is with K's. His name was Killer Carl Cox. Oh, my God. Killer Carl Cox. Oh, my God. Killer Carl Cox. No good. In Kansas City, Missouri. That's too many Ks, sir. Killer Carl Cox.

In other territories, he would go by COX, where other places were like, you can't be the fucking Klan. I'm sorry. You can't do. People will kill you. You can't do that. The organization already chose that. You can't. And they are terrible. I'm sorry. You can't be. People will kill you. You can't do that. The organization already chose that.

You can't. And they are terrible. I'm sorry. He was Killer Carl Cox. So anyway. Wow. Yeah. So that's fucking batshit. Now, Prosser, by the way, had one of the craziest deaths in the history of the world.

So this Prosser guy had quite an interesting demise here. Old Killer Carl Cox had an interesting demise. Oh, fuck yeah, he's dead. There's a couple different different tales of his demise uh one uh they went a horde of black men it was in new brunswick so nobody is it's there's no black guys up there he went to a safe safe haven for him this is the guy that owns the comedy zone or something yeah that's exactly right so i guess they were wrestling that night and and he was there, this Prosner guy,

and then him and his buddies, Prosner and his buddies, went to have a party with a fire and a barbecue. And this one friend says that he thinks that he probably had a cigar, which he always had cigars. And he said, quote, what they think happened is after everybody left, he sat at the table, probably with a cigar or something. He fell asleep. The cigar fell down and caught the place on fire the whole place burned to the ground when they found him he was right by the door he was strong enough he was like a bull he could have walked through the walls the mountie said that maybe the smoke stopped him from getting out of

the building holy shit so other people said that the barbecue was to blame something to do with charcoal stayed hot fell out felt somehow caught the place on fire but you can afford cigars but not propane what the fuck apparently uh no apparently he's uh the the halifax newspaper from the time uh called it a barbecue explosion explosion they said an royal canadian mounted police spokesman said uh last night that uh that this guy died in the blaze uh which besides destroying his camp burned his his late model car parked nearby, which is fucking insane. That's too bad. That's how he died.

That's shitty. Everybody in these stories has some crazy story attached to them. Something they did, how they died, somebody they fucked. Every single wrestler from this time period has some batshit story attached to them. Every single wrestler from this time period has some batshit story attached to them. That tells, that like, it makes me inside because I have this distrust of other people building shit for me. Yeah. That makes me think that he probably bought the display barbecue and didn't put it together

himself. You should have put it together yourself. Make sure there's no fucking. Don't let some 16 year old at Home Depot build that for you. Make sure there's no holes in your. Right. In your hose. In your hoses.

Yeah, that's what I was looking for. Cables. Jesus Christ. Wow. I didn's what I was looking for. Cables? Jesus Christ. Wow. I will not let... It takes forever, and it's a pain in the ass to build a barbecue grill. I bought a new barbecue. We moved into this house, because mine's a little piece of shit that came with the house we bought last time.

It is still in my garage. Sarah bought it two months ago. It's in a box. It's still in my garage. It's too hot outside. And it takes forever. It says on the box it'll take an hour and a half, which will take me three days. And it's 110 degrees outside.

So I'm not doing it until it cools off. Dude, you need a lot of stuff off his stove lately. Fuck, I have. I'm using my shitty old grill. So back to Bob here. Bob, 1969, he had 101 matches, which is a lot. And that's, like I said, also there's probably 150, 175, but 101 on the books. He meets a woman in 1960.

Who wouldn't be into this guy? A big fucking ugly asshole who loves kids. Who wouldn't be into that? Well, who was into it was a woman named Rebecca June Terhune, who turned into Rebecca Carson after she married him. They met in Kansas City where he was wrestling. She's born and raised in Iowa. And after she graduated high school, she ran from Iowa as quickly as possible,

as many people do, rightly so. We understand. It's the law. Look at our tour dates. Don't see any in Davenport, do you? That's for a reason. State law. Yeah, that's right.

You guys want to come? We're in Chicago or in Cincinnati. Get your asses in the car. We're close. You know if you're an Aya, you understand you've got to drive for things. Not everything's coming to you. You understand that. She leaves after high school. She wasn't a wrestling fan.

Never been to the matches. She wasn't a ring rat. She didn't meet him at the matches or anything like that. He saw her dancing at a club across from the wrestling office. I guess there was a club there and something they got. They called it an adult club, which I don't know if that means. That sounds like strip club. That's what I say.

Is that a strip club? He saw her dancing at the adult club, which sounds like she was a stripper, right? That's what it sounds like. I didn't know that. Or if it was like an adult club, like as opposed to, I guess there's no kid club so it's a fucking strip club they're kids rebecca's a stripper okay they're making mouse clubs yeah exactly no one's got their clothes off they just don't dance chances are she had her tits out which is the difference here uh so they it's fine they good for her yeah good for him and make a living you make a living that's who you would expect would

be with this monster you want to leave iowa right fucking run and you'll do any that shows you'll do what people will do what it takes you'll do it to get out of iowa it's either this or live in iowa let's do it let's go i don't give a shit look at that fuck me so uh they they got together and within two years they were married okay they get married in los ang Angeles in 1971. And that's possibly because also in 71 they have a daughter. So that's what I'm assuming is also probably why they got married right then. They have a daughter named Candace in 1971. They will have four kids and I'll label them all so you know because one of them is the

craziest name of any criminal athlete's child we've ever covered. Did he name a child Killer Carl Cox? You'll see. It's worse than that. So he does well in the ring in the late 60s. He's the Stampede International Tag Team Champion with The Beast in 1967. Also with Fred Sweetin, who's the guy who died in the barbecue accident, who went by Fred Sweetin here. They are the Stampede International Tag Team champions in 1969.

1970, he wins the Stampede International Tag Team titles again. This asshole is a fucking champion. Yeah, with Gil Hayes. He's got a ton of belts in his career. Also Stampede International Tag Team champions with a guy named Paul Peller, who was his original tag team partner before Fred Sweetin in 1970. They win that. 1970, 158 matches on the books.

My Christ. That's a lot of matches, and there's probably a lot more. Back in the 80s, like WWF, when it was WWF back then, they would do 300 matches a year, which is fucking batshit. Hulk Hogan would do 330. A week? A week, yeah, because he'd go to Japan when they had a day off or whatever. It was crazy.

1971, he has 97 matches. He wrestles in Japan for a little bit in 71. They love a big American who looks really American over there to be a bad guy. They love that shit, especially. Hot dog eating motherfucker. Yeah. They're going to fly a plane into his ass love that shit, especially. Hot dog eating motherfucker. They're going to fly a plane into his ass. Especially back then. No, it's true.

Hey, that's what it is. That's what they did. Like Hulk Hogan, when he was a real big popular good guy here, like in the 80s, he was a bad guy over there. He'd go over there and they'd fucking boo him because he was a big blonde son of a bitch who would beat up the Japanese. Blue eyes, yeah. Who'd beat up these Japanese guys.

But he worked there as Bob Carson. So I think that probably sounded more American. They were like, yeah, go with Carson. That's even better. You sound like a cowboy. That's phenomenal. He fought basically Inoki, Antonio Inoki, who, remember, fought Muhammad Ali on an early pay-per-view type closed circuit thing in the late 70s.

It was a big deal. And Giant Baba basically beat him up every match. That was kind of what it was. Now, there's another guy here named Cowboy Dan Crofat. Yeesh. Cowboy. Now, I'm not. Crofat?

Crofat. K-R-O-F-F-A-T. Weird name, right? You know what's even weirder? Yeah. I don't know which Dan Crofat this is because there's fucking two Dan Crofat wrestlers. Double Fs. Double Fs.

With a K. Same shit. What the fuck? There's two of them. They're both Canadian. They're both in the Canadian Wrestling Hall of Fame. So there's definitely two. They both exist.

No fucking idea. Both are so good they're Hall of Famers. Who the fuck knows? Well, for Canada. Is Crofat like Smith up there? No. What the fuck? That's the other thing.

It makes no sense. They're both Dan Crowfat. No one knows which is which. I don't either. The rare name of Crowfat, and they both got Dan as the first name. That's it. What the fuck? I don't know.

Canada's an odd place. That's all I'm going to say. He said about, now he liked Bob, actually. He said, quote, what he says at the end is so perfect. He says, quote, he and I worked on top there in Stampede. He said, quote, we changed the belt back and forth. I found him to be a great worker. I had a lot of good matches with the guy.

He was a pleasure to work with. But who knows what goes on outside the ring? In other words, I'm not putting my stamp on him anywhere but inside those ropes. That's all fine. Outside. What he does outside of there. Listen, as far as I know, behind those ropes, in the confines of that square. He's great.

Legal. Outside of that, I don't know nothing. So, 72, he wrestles 26 matches on the books. 45 in 73. Also in 73, he's in a documentary called The Wrestling Queen, which I believe is about Vivian Vachon, who, if you remember from the 90s, Luna Vachon with the crazy hair. She looked like she'd kick your ass. That's her mom?

It's her family. Mad Dog Vachon, Butcher Vachon's her dad. It was a guy and all of them. They had a big thing. They're all Canadian up there. And I think it was about that group. Also, Andre the Giant was in it. And Killer Kowalski was in it, and a bunch of guys. A bunch of guys.

They were making a lot of wrestling movies back then. 74, Vergana made the Wrestler movie. They were like these self-produced wrestling movies. It was really strange. They should make them all now, like this. Yeah, yeah. That would be better. Tell the real story.

Yeah, yeah. Don't bullshit it. Yeah, this was all worked you know it was all bullshit everybody's got to make a story that that uh pushes the whatever story of this person because they want to make a bunch of money yeah they make documentaries now but they're always documentaries for wrestling are weird they're like beyond the mat was a big one in the 90s 98 or whatever enough of this stuff in because it makes it look like shit well they had jake the snake snake smoking crack and all sorts of shit in the document that documentary was raw fucking dog but that's awesome but that was so

that was because wrestling was so hot at that point that was the two both the monday night shows were like nothing could ruin sickest ratings so that actually was like theatrically reduced produced and released this now any wrestling thing you do would immediately be an internet wrestling only wrestling fans would see it. They haven't figured out a way. It's like comedy. If there's a comedy documentary, do you know anybody outside of comedians that see them? Nobody watches it.

Nobody watches them. That's why they're so similar. No one cares. They're all amazed that you can do this shit. It's like a magic trick. But you don't want to hear about it? To be power bombed and get up is a magic trick. And to make a group of people laugh at will is a fucking magic trick.

And everybody loves both of those things, but no one gives a shit how it's done. They're all just like, I don't know. I guess they do that. Whatever. Get back to figuring that shit out. I got to go to my nine to five. That's exactly what it is. But then they'll watch everything else.

You watch every other horseshit thing that Hollywood forces down your throat, but you've never seen when standup stood out, which is maybe my favorite thing about being friends with James is that I got to see that documentary. It's a fucking great documentary. It's fucking incredible. And that's what I mean. There's a lot of wrestling documentaries that are like that, but wrestling, and nobody sees them except for me. And it's guys that you know. Yeah.

Comedians. Wrestling documentaries, those comedians are huge. It's shit you would know. Why the fuck wouldn't you want to know the backside of that story? Now, away from the ring, outside the ring, as we would say, Bob admits he's a loner. He says, quote, I kind of isolated myself from everybody else. I didn't become good friends with anybody. They were acquaintances, people who were in the same business I was in.

I used to travel back when we were still traveling by car. I used to travel a lot by myself, maybe take one guy with me. I didn't want to impose my lifestyle on anybody else, so I traveled by myself. I could do what I wanted when I wanted, and it's not going to inconvenience anybody else. That's his lifestyle. But that wouldn't mean your lifestyle is not fucking conducive to normal society. Well, it's not anyway. fucking conducive to normal society that's well it's not anyway as a lot of these guys weren't back then but his is even his is even considered aberrant among this group of carnival workers

who are well outside societal bounds he's considered even think about that here look at picture this picture saturn it's a planet in the middle that's that's earth that's where everybody else is then there's the first ring around wrestlers are there and then there's the outer outer ring that's like light years away that's where he is just orbiting around there where they're like he's fucking way out there and then that trail of rocks that's beyond that shit and that's where his like that's where he he goes outside those are the cops keeping him in bounds those are where he goes when he does when his lifestyle doesn't fit with everybody else. That's what I mean.

Like this, wow. He also said, quote, I really didn't socialize that much. I don't know why. I think it made it easier for me. Otherwise, you'd socialize with a guy. Then three weeks later, you're in a town somewhere, and you've got to go in there and wrestle the guy. That takes the edge off things, I think. First of all, bullshit, because usually the best matches ever are between former

tag team partners always because they know each other the best and the people that know each other the best and you always work together the best and they look usually sometimes you're used to how they wrestle because you do it with them a lot you'll get guys who hate each other have great matches like lawler and dundee back in the day hate each other's got said great matches stuff like that but for the most part guys need to work together you're doing it together this isn't there's not a competition it's a fucking dance you know them you know everything about them so uh or it could be he thinks it takes the edge off and you know he doesn't want to socialize with people or it could be that nobody fucking liked him uh colonel de beers in

the 80s who played one of the most racist fucking characters ever in AWA. He played a South African colonel who refused to wrestle people of color, he would say. Oh, for Pete's sake. His whole feud was with Jimmy Superfly Snooka after he left the WWF where he said he wouldn't wrestle Snooka. He said he wouldn't wrestle any non-whites, and then he said he wouldn't wrestle Snooka because he was a mongrel. That's what he would say. A mongrel.

A mongrel, and he would call him names. On TV, he said that. On national. This was on ESPN. I saw this on ESPN as a child. mongrel that's what he would say a mongrel and he would call him names on tv he said on national this was on espn i saw this on espn as a child national cable sports television that's what i watched it on so that tells you a lot right there about how things have changed today with disney owning them fuck no fuck no back then it was like i don't know put it on uh actually i have seen it on espn classic they would replay the old AWA shit. Every time they had Colonel De Beers on, every match he did, they would have him wrestle a black guy.

Because then he would say, I'm not wrestling him. He's inferior to me and blah, blah, blah. Right on television. It was fucking nuts. I get that that was the character who was supposed to be a bad guy. But let's say that's cheap. That was some sensitivity. In wrestling, they call that, I think, cheap heat is what they call that.

Anybody could be like, hey, look, your wife's fat and get them mad. But how do you get them mad in a way that's a little more creative? When he's a single guy, call him a mongrel. That's it, a mongrel. So Colonel De Beers said, quote. The WWF didn't have an HR department. No, no, back then they definitely did not. This was AWA he was in, which is Vergania with Buck

Zumhoff where he was wrestling. Perfect. They allowed him in there. It tells you a lot. Colonel De Beers said, quote about Bob, I wasn't a fan of his. From being a locker room thief to just among other things, just an asshole. Whenever I was around him, I always locked up my shit and made sure I didn't have anything that I

couldn't afford to lose in the dressing room. He's in there rifling through pockets. He's a fucking thief too he says. Not only is he a bully and an asshole and he likes young girls but he's also a fucking locker room thief which is the worst thing you could be in wrestling is steal. That's people need to leave their shit back. That's like in

comedy you can leave your shit in the green room and nobody fucks with your shit. That's sacred. Tom Green rifling through my fucking backpack. We'll throw blows Tom throw blows that's what i mean it's it's the truth though that's that shit is that's sacred the green room you can leave your stuff back there and no one's gonna fuck with it unless they're real tom cotter tried to try to fucking do something funny with my phone which i actually found amusing but he was trying to play a joke so i was okay with that he's not stealing your phone he wasn't stealing it or going through it

for like your credit card information. No, he was like, I can't figure out your password, man. He came to me with my phone. He was like, I can't figure out your password. I was trying to do this, this, and that, but it's not working. So anyway, that's what I was trying to do. And I was like, well, that's pretty funny. I guess it's the same thing that you told me.

With a phone, like an iPhone, when it rings, you don't have to put the code in. You just swipe it. And Doug Stanhope was answering my phone. Oh, Jesus i'm out doing him getting shit for him and he's answering your phone and then i've got a friend there that's trying to get it he's like i just called you for tickets and stanhope just told me just walk in i was like don't listen don't listen to him he's drunk who knows what he's on don't listen trying to get you thrown off the balcony yeah that's what's gonna happen happen. Just for the story. So nobody likes sweet, and this guy's a thief.

Hacksaw Jim Duggan said, quote, just a mean guy and a bully. So everyone has the exact same shit to say. Mean fucking bully. Well, let's see how Bob describes himself, shall we? Because not everyone who is a bully considers themselves a bully. He says, in their own words, quote, I was kind of a headstrong individual. I didn't, I did, I'd stand up and speak for myself and deal with the promoters.

Some of the promoters didn't like that. They expected you to just say yes and thank you for the $100. I ain't leaving this room until I get my money. Stories like that get around. It didn't bother me as long as I got my money. What I earn, I expect it to get. That i expect it to get that's not a bully that's not that's not a bully but that's the the promoters are just like comedy clubs where yeah you should be happy that you had to do all that for 25 dollars how stupid are you like what the fuck there's a million people that would love to do that for 25 dollars

didn't you get salmon too didn't i give you a sandwich never mind salmon so uh they give us salmon they're nice in the phoenix staff too by the way yeah i'd have your 25 dollars and then Salmon, too. Didn't I give you a sandwich? Never mind salmon. So they give us salmon. Make sure you tip the waitstaff, too, by the way. Yeah, if you're $25. And then you'll pay for your parking. So in the end, hope you enjoyed paying a little for your free dinner and nothing else. So through this period, though, he keeps working in all different places. He's in central states all over the place. central states, tri-state, Gulf Coast. He wins the Central States North American Tag Team titles with Siegfried Stanky.

That's the guy's name, Siegfried Stanky. Wow, I've never heard of that one before. I've heard of it, but I don't know who that is. That's why they went by And Roy later, because somebody had already stolen that gem. That's right. That's a, that's right. That's a name. I think I've only heard from like Jim Cornette or something here. Uh, they, they did.

They beat Bob Kelly, the comedian, Robert Kelly before his days and a rocket Monroe. They didn't beat Robert Kelly by the way, before his comedy was a fucking hand. He was actually jacked. He was long hair. Yeah. Now he's a fat fuck. He's a great dude, but he's a fat bastard. He'll be the first to tell you. He loses actually. He was jacked. He was. And he has long hair. Yeah, now he's a fat fuck. He looks like a fucking model. He's a great dude, but he's a fat bastard. He'll be the first to tell you. He loses it.

He gives it back. But yeah. Anyway, he also wins the NWA United States tag team titles with Siegfried Stanky again, beating a guy named Klondike Bill, who I know the Klondike Bills, and a guy named Luke Brown, who I'd never heard of. The NWA in the Gulf Coast. He wins the U.S. tag team titles again. Siegfried Stanky.

NWA tri-state area. He wins the brass knuckles title. Jesus. Which is, I don't think they use brass. Oh, okay. They used to have tape knuckle matches and shit like that where they'd hit you, which is still crazy. They just beat each other, silly.

That was in 75. He wins the NWAulf coast heavyweight title really and uh which is a regional title but i mean back then that's you're the star of the territory i just thought something i would watch let's tape fucking brass knuckles to hand so they don't move you know what i mean and put that shit on tv that you see very i want to see somebody's head explode you would those matches would last until someone hits someone. First blow wins. That's what it would just be.

I would watch that. You might as well call it first shot wins. He also, NWA 1976, he wins the NWA United States tag team titles with Killer Carl Cox. All right. And they beat Dick Murdoch, who's one of the all-time greats, and the Million Dollar Man, Ted DiBiase. Is that right? Ten years before the Million Dollar Man. Or 11 years before it, when he was still a kid.

1974, his son Christopher is born. Not a junior, but don't worry, he did something worse than junior. What'd he do? This shit is a new level on his next one. Watch out, his next son. 1974, 90 matches he wrestles. also works a little for the awa at this point which is right about the same time when old buck zoom hoff started sniffing

around the awa let's not get these two together holy shit that would be the worst hide your little girls everybody i hate the phrase sniffing around i sniff it around i put that myself in there because it sounded grosser it does with buck zoom hoff he's sniffing he's I know what he did. I put that myself in there because it sounded grosser. It does. With Buck Zoomhoff, he's sniffing. He's sniffing. He's a panty sniffing dirt bag. Where are them little girls at? You just know he is that piece of shit. Where's my daughter at?

He's saying, piece of shit, Buck Zoomhoff. Those geranimals smell ape. Stay tuned on this one, guys. It's worse. It's not worse, but it's just as bad. It's also some in the Mid-South Territory, which is what Bill Watts owned there. One guy who knew him in Louisiana, who actually, he was one of the hillbillies in WWF. He was Cousin Luke, who was one of Hillbilly Jim's associates.

Shocker, overalls, no shirt, and I believe he was the shoeless hillbilly, too. No shoes, either. He says, quote... They'll just hinder you. They ain't just going to hinder me. They're just going to slow me down. I think he's the one. One of the hillbillies I heard a story about came in the locker room one day with a tuxedo on.

Yeah. One of these cousins came in with a tuxedo on in the WWF with a big giant cigar, tuxedo, top hat, cane. Oh, boy. Big giant cigar to tell everybody that he retired. He said, I live up in the hollers. What I made will last me the rest of my goddamn life. Have a good one. And he said he went out and he had a huge white stretch limousine taking him away from Madison Square.

He showed up just to quit, just to tell them, have a good one. I spent a surplus of my money on this suit that I rented it and this cigar. I don't even smoke. This is the 80s. He probably made 300 grand and said, I'll live on that in West Virginia forever. He lived in West Virginia in the mountains. He's like, I'll live on this for the rest of my goddamn life there. See you later.

That's me, man. That's the best, right? A little more than 300 grand. That's the $30 million that I need. Yeah, that's a little more than that. He said, Bob was heel, baby face, heel, baby face. He'd go back and forth. The people still loved him no matter what he did.

If they hated him because he was a heel, they'd cause riots. Then he turned baby face and they liked him because he was part of that territory and belonged to those people, whether he was a good guy or bad guy. If they brought a good guy in that those people didn't know and Bob was a heel, they might not care too much for that good guy. He might have been a bad guy, but he was their bad guy. So you get that in these regional territories where it's a guy they just like, and a bad guy they eventually have to turn into a good guy because they keep cheering him because he's cool. They like him. He's fun.

It's the thing. It's like eventually if a guy is good and he's kind of tough, people kind of like that after a while, especially if they don't back down. And now back to the show 1975 45 matches uh in tri-state he teams with grizzly smith which is frightening a frightening combination of uh of men who like little girls and they fight was Zumoff their fucking manager that's what I'm saying did he stand and circle the ring Jesus Christ

my god they fight Stan Hansen and Bruiser Brody Bruiser Brody was going by his real name Frank Goodish at the time but those are like

two legendary badass tough guys son of a bitches he spends about four months in Tri-State also works world class through that time which is down in Texas

that is the Von Erichon territory where all the sons are dead except for one. Five sons, four dead, three of them suicide. Same family. Yeah, the most tragedy shit ever. In 1976, he's 36 matches, it says. Also in 76, his daughter Kathy is born.

So he's got another little girl. Candace, Kathy, and Eric? Candace, Kathy, and what the hell was it? Christopher. Candace, Kathy, Christopher. Oh, boy. Candice, Kathy, and Eric? Candice, Kathy, and what the hell was it? Christopher. Candice, Kathy, Christopher. Oh, boy. Candice, Kathy, Christopher. Yeah.

And their last name is Carson. So they're CCCC, all C's here. So at least he didn't name them KKKKs. Yeah, no doubt. At least he didn't name everybody with three fucking K names. It's probably for the best. Like the Kardashians. Exactly. Which is very nice.

Hopefully their middle names aren't K and then we're all better off. Still fucking black guys. And then they're still fucking black. So they're proving it to everybody. See, I'm really not racist. I promise. 1970-70 is 66 matches, it says here. Wins the NWA United States Tag Team titles.

Wins the NWA Central States Heavyweight title, which that was kind of a major territory back then in 77. I mean, it was still a shit territory it was known as, but it was kind of a bigger one. And he was their heavyweight champion. He was also the Central States television title holder, which he was the first ever to hold that. So when they introduce, when they come in with a new belt and they give it to a guy, they're trying to make that belt seem like it's something. So you have to give it to a big guy. So that's what he was considered. He won it again.

He won the television title again later in 77 by beating a man named Black Angus Campbell, who I assume was a black guy. And I shudder to think what the angle was about with the racist things that he said, him and his killer Carl Cox. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Wins the Central States heavyweight title again later on. the angle was about with the racist things that he said him and his killer carl cox to go my god jesus christ uh wins the central state's heavyweight title again later on and then wins the world tag team titles uh central states also by defeating jesse the body ventura and some other guy you've never heard of which is funny yeah fantastic form future governor uh he's only there

a couple of months and he does all that. Conspiracy theory governor. Conspiracy theory governor, which is hilarious and awesome. He's fucking awesome, Jared O. C. Vintore. I love him. He's great. So 1978, he wrestles in 87 matches, and his fourth son is born. Okay. Now, or his fourth child.

This is his second son. He names his son. You ready for this, Jimmy? We've had juniors. We've had junior juniors. We've had Otis Jr., Nixon Jr. We have never had... He names his son Carson.

Wait, what? His son's name... First name. His first name is Carson. He names him. He has already legally changed his last name to Carson. His wife's last name is Carson. This child's last name is Carson.

He named his son Carson Carson. That's way worse than Junior. What the fuck is that? It's last name is Carson. This child's last name is Carson. He named his son Carson Carson. That's way worse than Junior. What the fuck is that? It's way worse than Junior. That's last name squared. Yeah. The ego on this fucking guy. Not only.

Not only is he getting my last name, he's going to get it again. Not only my last name, the last name I made up. Right. Not only will he take that, I'm going to give it to him twice because I like it so much. That's how much I think of myself. I'm so much of a genius. He's me square. What's his middle name?

What the fuck is his middle name? What the fuck? If it's not Carson, he really blew it. Carson, Carson, Carson. I am going to lose it. You can't name your son Carson Carson. If he named him Carson Carson, Carson Jr., I'll do backflips out of here and we can end the show now. Dude, I saw...

That would be amazing. I saw a picture of Carson on his 18th birthday. He was wearing a Navy uniform. This young man was in the military where hundreds of guys on his ship said, It's fucking Carson Carson. You know how much shit he took for that? Well, the best part is that it just says Carson on the tag. They just call him Carson.

Either way, it works. Fuck it. Who cares? Whatever.. They just call him Carson. Yeah, either way it works. Right. Fuck it. Who cares? Whatever. There goes Carson. And then they say, last name? Carson.

First name? Carson. No, no, no. Last name? Carson. How confusing. My fucking name is Carson Carson. I know it's stupid, okay?

Fine. Last name, first, first name, last name. Doesn't matter on what paperwork he's filling out. That's a fucking gift, really. That's insane. It's easy. That's saving you so much time. I don't even have to look at what box I'm having to fill in.

You need to now. Don't name your kid the same as your last name, please. Especially if you made up the last name. It's not even your fucking name. I'd love to be Wisman Wisman. Holy shit. The only way I could explain him doing this is fucking drugs. To be Petra Gallo.

Oh, Jesus Christ. It's better than what my real honest name almost was. What was it? Well, my parents considered naming me after their two grandfathers, which is kind of Italian tradition, which is Gaetano Biagio. So my name could have been and almost was Gaetano Biagio Petrogallo, which no. That's too many L's. No, that comes with like an organ grinder and a fucking monkey and an Italian ice cart

and shit. Like you can't do that. There's spaghetti in your pockets. Spaghetti, rigat with like an organ grinder and a fucking monkey and an Italian ice cart and shit. Like, you can't do that. There's spaghetti in your pocket. Spaghetti, rigatoni pouring out. I got a barbershop I got to deal with. I got so much shit going on right now. I got a numbers game I'm trying to keep track of. It's too much.

Too Italian. We'd call you Guy, for sure. I would fucking hope so. And we would skip everything else. That's just, never mind. You'd just be like that comedian, what's his name, Godfrey? Yeah, one name. One name, just Guy.

Guy, that's it. Who was that first guy? Oh, Guy. Guy, that's Guy. So the only way I can explain this guy naming his son Carson Carson is drugs. That's the only way I can explain it. Shockingly enough, let's hear him talk about it. Drugs.

He says, Jesus Christ, let's do an in their own words here. What do you say? This is absolutely fucking ridiculous. He says in their own words, quote, there wasn't anything I didn't take or do. I enjoyed life to the fullest. It was so easily available and was all pharmaceutical. It was nothing made up in somebody's bathtub or cooked up in somebody's fucking kitchen. And who knows what the fuck is in it?

It was all pure pharmaceutical stuff. It didn't have that much damage to your body if you did it within reason. He's wrong. Wow. Okay. He sounds so excited about it. He's like, it was great. It was still cooked up somewhere.

It sounded like he had a good meal at a restaurant. He couldn't wait to tell you about it. No, no. The pasta's fresh. It's amazing. Grass fed beef. Fucking none of that grain shit. You know where everything comes from. none of that grain you know where

everything comes from that shit gluten-free so 1979 he wrestles in 109 matches 1980 wrestles in 112 matches keeps it right around 100 yeah keeps it that's yeah what they end up on the books with uh yeah he works a couple months in georgia in 1980 georgia championship wrestling which was on tbs uh which was you was sort of national at that point. I think it was still national at that point. It was getting there. 1981, 64 matches. Through all of this, he works in his whole career.

He works with a lot of guys you'd know one way or another, either through us or through other people. Bill Watts, we've talked about, the owner, and he went on to TBS to get for WCW president to get fired in the early nineties. Uh, he fought him 49 times, a million dollar man later on to be Ted DiBiase wrestled him 44 times, wrestled Grizzly Smith, 40 times, wrestled Danny Hodge, uh, Jim Ross's tough guy, buddy there 30 times. So he took a lot of ass kicking there, uh, wrestled Andre the giant 25 times. Is that right? Absolutely. But that includes Battle Royals that he was in with Andre, which he was in. Andre used to come to territories and they do a lot of those. Wrestled Junkyard Dog 22 times. That's awesome.

And wrestled The Rock's dad, Dwayne Johnson's dad, Rocky Johnson 22 times. His dad was a wrestler? Yeah, Rocky Johnson. I have no idea. His dad was Rocky Johnson, early 80s WWF guy. How come I didn't know that? He was tag team champs with Tony Atlas in the early 80s. Is that right. Yeah, real jacked up black dude. Great dude.

Physique out the ass. Makes The Rock look like a pile of shit, his physique. Like, you could see every ab on him and shit. Interesting. He was ripped. Yeah, you could see it in his face that he's The Rock's dad. It's fucking funny. That's awesome.

Yeah, it's an old WWF guy and many other places, obviously. So we probably had a little bit of dough there, huh? A little bit, maybe. He's from a big wrestling family. Like, all the Samoans are related to him. And that's how The Rock got involved. Alpha, Sika, Yokozuna, all those. They're a huge family, all those guys, all the Samoans.

And yeah, that's Rock's mother's side of the family. So he's got a lot of pedigree in the wrestling on both sides of his family. It's interesting. It's really interesting. That's why he looks so fucking great. Oh, yeah. That guy. He's from pure athlete stock.

It's not fair. He's half Samoan and half the most athletic, cut-up black guy you've ever seen. Like, if you mix that, if we took Samoans and mixed them with the most fucking athletic black people in the world, not to be, like, fucking, you know, like, Nazi-ist-ish here, Nazi-istic, like we're trying to fucking... Creating the

fucking map. You would make super people. Like, if that's what Hitler did, he would have fucking won. If he made that super race, that's what I mean. Beige babies. He would have won. Because I'm telling you, that's what you want to do. Father, men out there, men want their sons to be this, that. You want your kid to be a UFC fighter?

Let's say you're a douchebag. Well, if you're a black guy, go find yourself a Samoan woman. You will make the toughest, most badass fucking kid in the world and he'll be champion. Moving on. Speaking of champions, he was NWA Central States champion in 79. He was tag team champ in 79, was the United States champion of the NWA in 79 uh won it again in 1980 central states tag team champs in 1980 uh tri-state heavyweight champion in 1981 nwa central states tag team champion in 1981 with a guy named terry gibbs who was a wwf jobber in the 80s i remember and they beat the freebirds for that actually the fabulous freebirds who are a very known team uh NWA Central State's heavyweight champion in 81, and then also wins it again later on in 81. He had 12 matches in 82.

A lot of moving around for him. They talk about that with his family. They were in Calgary. They moved to L.A. Bob went over to Japan. He wrestles in Puerto Rico. Then they end up in Baton Rouge, and then they end up, the family moves to Kansas City. And you're just bouncing with your kids back then and your family.

It was a tough life. 1982, they finally settle in Texas. They had built, this is hilarious, Rebecca and Bob, quote, had a mobile home built in 1973. You mean you bought it and wheeled it into place? You had it bolted down? Is that what you mean? You had some ground leveled and some fucking cinder blocks placed? You had the shit pipe hooked up to the facilities?

Is that what you had going on? You had some tires taken off? Is that what you mean? I think that's built. What are you doing? Yeah. We had a mobile home leveled. That's what we did.

Yeah. We got Bob Vila to come over with his level machine. And he did it. He set it on the fender. It's good. And set it to build. It's all right. They all settled here in Texas in 82 in Pflugerville.

P-F-L-U? Yeah. Pflugerville? Yeah. Pflugerville? Sounds terrible. Sounds awful. Texas in 1982.

Now, Rebecca Carson, his wife, and we'll hear from her a lot from here on out. Yeah. He said enough. Let's get to her. We've heard you, pal. She said, quote, when I moved here, my children said, are we really not going to move again? Because she said, we're settling here. This is kind of middle ground.

We took the tires off. We're staying. The shit pipe is connected to the ground. They took the turn signals off and everything. We're here for good. That's it. But we moved the bucket out. It's all connected.

for good that's it but we put we move the bucket out it's all connected so uh she said uh uh again she said that you know uh many of the wrestlers there uh lived nearby there and they were close with a lot of other wrestling families like ted di biasi and his wife and grizzly smith and his wife we're close to them close to them i guarantee you the wife didn't know about grizzly smith is smith's proclivities, because she wouldn't have him in her fucking house. Don't let him around fucking Kathy and Candace. And Ted DiBiase is a known, humongous cokehead. Not now, but back then, he was a huge-

Now he's a Jesus head. Oh, huge Jesus head. But in the 80s, at least, he was a giant coke and booze fiend and all that. So these guys might have got along drug-wise back then. I don't know what the hell else he was doing. But it's at this point, he goes to Southwest Championship Wrestling. Southwest Championship Wrestling is the original. The WWE was on USA Network forever.

Is it on USA still? Probably. It started out on USA Network. Is it on TNT? Something. Or Spike. Yeah, it moved to Spike. But I think it's on both because they have another one.

So I think one of the nights it's on Spike, one of the nights it's on USA or whatever. But it was on USA for years and years and years, starting in like 1982. Wow. 1983, I mean. Late 83, I believe, is when they started on USA. They had wings and wrestling. That's pre-wings. They had fucking wrestling and nothing else, like rerun programs, syndicated shit.

That's all they had. They had no- And monster trucks. And monster trucks, yeah. This is USA. Right. syndicated shit that's all they had they had no and monster trucks and monster trucks yeah this is a usa and so they were they but before they wwf took it and made it a national platform where southwest championship wrestling from fucking western texas was actually the first one on that big national cable channel they were the first ones on there they had the chance they could have done what vince mcmahon did They had the same platform that Vince did, but obviously not

the same business acumen. Southwest Championship became a territory because people in Texas fought over wrestlers. In Dallas, the world class, they controlled all the wrestlers. They had a booking office and there's two other cities.'s also houston and uh their southwest championship wrestling and they would book wrestlers out to those places so they'd wrestle one day here then they'd go to houston they go to san antonio this gets the wrestlers work every day same as comedy same as comedy and it gets these people fresh people all the time so that's how it works make a boatload of cash in comedy just being a book yeah just texas from san antonio just going around the austin all the way to Austin. All the way around, yep. And that's what they would do here.

They'd just go around this Texas loop over to Louisiana. They'd be in this territory. Bill Hicks and Kennison and Ron Schock did the whole thing. Well, they apparently had a big falling out over booking wrestlers. They had to find their own wrestlers, and there was this whole thing here. And the Blanchards, Tully Blanchard, do you remember him from the 80s? He's one of the four horsemen. There's always a star.

Flair, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard. He's the small guy, great wrestler, looked like an asshole car salesman. Looked like a dirtbag car salesman. I like it. Like a dick. But his father owned it, and Tully was there a lot. He actually has a big feud with Tully. was there a lot he actually has a big feud with tully uh they uh they they ended up taking over a uh a grocery store and and turning that into a 400 seat arena which is crazy that's yeah they

turned a grocery store into an arena brilliant which is brilliant yeah that's wrestling in aisle four now i want to say they did that in ohio valley wrestling too in the 80s and the nine or uh early 2000s that was jim cornette's idea because it's an old school idea. It works great because it's a big open space. You can put 400 people in there. What the hell? It's a good little indie spot. Frozen section out and line it with chairs. Boom. Done. Brilliant. It's a huge open

place. So yeah, they ended up doing that. They did their TV tapings there. They were on USA Network. They really had a chance to become something big and they fizzled out and went out of business. Idiots. Basically, USA kicked them off for being too bloody and texas wrestling was bloody texas wrestling like world class all this that shit looked different than other wrestling like those guys real they wanted to look real and they let it be real when they punch each other they're laying them in there like not as hard as you can but you're connecting on every shot every

you want to hear it absolutely you want to hear that shit and that's the way it was because the fans that thought it was bullshit otherwise they'd say it was bullshit so you had to be i saw blood that's a tough song bitch right there you'd have to be like that so uh that's kind of the way it was but when you get too bloody on national television it's a little different uh on a station that also ran a lot of cartoons like usa did a little different here But he does well in Southwest. He wins the Southwest tag team titles with Dick Slater, who was a big deal later on. He beat Tully Blanchard and Gino Hernandez, who we've talked about, who died of a huge cocaine overdose.

Awesome. Tully Blanchard, also giant cokehead. Makes sense. Now giant Jesus freak, obviously. It's so weird. Yep. He wins. They either die or find god or find one or the other they're like i found i made it hallelujah i shouldn't be here that's

the only way you can get people to take you fucking take you at your word again but i found god now all right then i guess i didn't trust you for years and all that cocaine and all but i guess if god's involved uh 83 he wins the southwest heavyweight title defeating tully blanchard the boss's kid uh he beats a door i'm not adorable at the time but adrian adonis back then in 83 who got really fat later on but fuck was he a good wrestler man he was so fucking good adonis is a great name it is adrian adonis and he was he was this he was always kind of heavy set. This blonde guy kind of heavy set. He dyed his hair blonde

later. He was a brunette in the early 80s. But fuck was he good. And he was just a good prick and known as a real asshole outside of the ring too. A lot of people hated him. Monstrous cokehead. Huge cokehead. They always have a thirst. Died in 19, I want to say 88 in a car accident when they

hit a moose. I believe. I'm not even fucking kidding. He was in Canada a car accident when they hit a moose, I believe. I'm not even fucking kidding. He was in Canada going from one place to hit a moose and died. Yep, that happened. That fucking happened right there. And died. And died. Was he impaled by the horn?

I fucking hope so. That would be amazing. Because that would make it better. He took the rack up his ass. Right up the ass. So he wins the Puerto Rican heavyweight title, beating King Tonga, who's later Haku, who's one of the toughest guys ever, who bit a guy's nose off in a bar and also popped guys' eyeballs out.

That was his standard fighting move. Oh, my God. His standard fighting move when he got in a fight in a bar was to pop your eyeball out real quick. Makes sense. That ends the fight. That'll do it. Fight over.

Done deal. Done deal. I don't want to fight anymore. He said this was his biggest exposure for Bob was being on Southwest. It was national television. That's what I mean. You know, not a lot of people have heard of this guy because he was never in the WWF when it was huge. This is his only national television spot here.

They portrayed him as a good guy. This is when he's a good guy, too too for one of the first long periods of extended periods of time. They portrayed him as a, they said that he was from Round Rock, Texas even though he's from Louisiana or from Canada. And he fought Tully Blanchard. They made Tully Blanchard like a rich

kid basically and they were like he's a blue collar guy from Round Rock, Texas. He's going to whoop that rich boy's ass. It was one of those things here. Take your suit off, boy. Take your suit off, boy. Tully would call him Mr. T-shirt because he would call himself Mr. Piledriver and he would wear

his own shirt that said Mr. Piledriver on it. So Tully called him Mr. T-shirt all the time. But he beat him for the belt. Bob beat Tully for the championship. That sort of thing. He wrestled 16 matches in 83 Bob beat Tully for the championship. That sort of thing. He wrestled 16 matches in 83, and he wins their heavyweight championship, and he's on national television.

Grace. You bet. This is Grace. It's a late Grace, but it's Grace. Four kids. Nonetheless. Doing great. Grace.

No charges. No charges yet. It doesn't matter because the charge he has is good enough. There can only be one? Good enough. Is it the highlander of charges it ain't good it's the highlander of charges there can be only one so uh sean michaels loved him the wrestler sean michaels was famous forever they worked together in san antonio around that time it's a motherfucker he said quote one of our favorites was a guy named

bruiser bob sweeten he was the first wrestler to come in and come in as a bad guy, act like a bad guy and be turned good by the fans. He said, quote, he came out to bang your head by Quiet Riot and would finish his opponents with the pile driver. That got over like a million bucks and the fans couldn't help but cheer for that. You have to cheer for a guy who comes out to bang your head in 83 and then pile drives guys for the win. And he's the other saying he's from Texas and he's he's a blue collar guy down there they're gonna like him down there uh that was a great album too by the way there was a song on that album called uh god now i'm gonna space it but the word uh come on feel the noise and the word come was to see yeah yeah it's gross they were not and you were impressed with that as a child i was like yeah look at you guys look they misspelled this i was

eight oh wow this is wrong like how did they do that oh and then i got to be 11 and i was like that's not spelled wrong that's gross disgusting and how do you come on feel the noise that's fucking disgusting come on the noise is making you cry how do you come on the noise come on the noise wow that's that's a talent noise isn't it's not an it's an inanimate it's not an inanimate object tugging on the speaker what are we doing i guess so so bob here while he's feeling the noise uh he said to at this point i don't know if this is true or not yeah but he said to have trained uh hardcore holly who was a WWF wrestler in the late 90s. Bob Holly, who was kind of a big, famous wrestler

here, said that he trained him, but I'm not sure if that's true. We'll take the brag. What the hell? In 84, it says he only had six matches, which is weird. In 85, he goes back to Mid-South wrestling, which was becoming a huge deal under Bill Watts. He's in a feud. He's a heel. He's in a feud with Ted DiBiase.

Ted DiBiase and and Jake the Snake Roberts is there also so these are all future giant stars and Dr. Death Steve Williams is all there basically he plays he's supposed to he turns he's supposed to be a good guy and he turns on the good guys plays an impartial ref that ends up screwing the good guys and switching titles and all that and it becomes a big deal. That's cool. That was kind of his big last hurrah in wrestling that he was known. It was fun.

It was a good little deal. Makes shit exciting. And he's working with DiBiase and Roberts. These are all like top guys. Steve Williams. It says he only wrestled in 11 matches in 85. And then, out of nowhere, on October 15th, 1985, he disappears. Yeah.

He quits. Not from wrestling, from life. From everything. He fucking disappears. Yeah. He disappears from his wife, his kids, from wrestling. Gone. Gone.

Yeah. From the lamb. He's completely fucking gone. His wife waits two weeks to hear from him and never hears from him and says, this is odd. Yeah. Where the fuck is Bob? him and never hears from him and says this is odd yeah where the fuck is Bob so she calls Bill Watts who was his boss back then at Mid-South and uh and called it called him and said you know where the fuck is Bob he said well I don't know he just didn't show up for work we thought he went

home we thought he fucking quit and went home we don't know uh so then she called Grizzly Smith who she's known forever from living you know being kind close to them. Grizz got out of an eight-year-old to an interesting phone call. Grizz said, hold on a second here. Let me turn the cartoons off. I'll turn them back on in a second, sweetheart. She said, quote, I said, Grizz, you need to help me find out what happened to Bob. He was working for Bill. It's your responsibility, because Grizz was kind of overseeing Bill Watts' business.

You just tell me what you know. He said, well, he was dating this arena rat that was the drug dealer. So he found him a girl around the ring there, a ring rat who happened to be the area drug dealer, happened to be the ring drug dealer, that arena's drug dealer also. And that's how the wife finds out.

And he ran away from a child molester telling her that her husband ran off with a drug dealer also and that's how the wife ran away from a child molester telling her that her husband ran off with a drug dealer that's nice way to find out your husband has left you didn't know oh you didn't know oh let me fill you in i got you girl wow uh that's amazing now uh she called watts back then and she said that uh to figure out what the fuck was going on whether he had taken did he get all his money and watts said that he left his paycheck there. That must be some good pussy, by the way, if you're leaving paychecks behind or coke or something.

Or both. Wow. So she went and Bill Watts said, well, I'll send you the check and I'll write it to you and you can cash that son of a bitch so at least you can take care of your kids. Fuck him. Fuck this guy. Yeah, because Watts wasn't going to take that shit. So he sent her the money.

So at least she had money to pay her bills at the time she says quote we went all through thanksgiving christmas my birthday no word two three months no word i was halfway torn that somebody had done him in because done him in because he had left and had never and had never missed a day's work in his life no matter how beat up he was and he's never left a dollar behind. So what was I to think? So she was thinking he was just dead in a gutter somewhere. Like there's no other way. Louisiana swamp. Yeah.

Being eaten by the alligators. So in January 86, she, Rebecca Carson hires a private investigator to find Bob. Okay. This is fucking crazy. This private investigator tracks him down in like the middle of nowhere near the texas arkansas border in some like real sketchy little no nothing town like just found this guy find him there that's amazing he's a good pi apparently he finds this guy especially he's got three different fucking names he's got who knows what his alias his eyes

are he's hanging out with a drug dealer. He could be anywhere. So she, so then now he, she at least knows where he is. So she files for divorce. He did show up at the courthouse for the divorce with the woman he ran away with. What the fuck? He showed up for court for the divorce proceedings,

shows up with Stacy, who's his girlfriend, who he's the arena rat drug dealer, allegedly balls, balls on this guy. Unbelievable. shows up with Stacy, who's his girlfriend, who he's the arena rat drug dealer, allegedly. Balls. Balls on this guy. Unbelievable. He walked by two of his children, Candace and Chris, without even recognizing them.

He didn't even, like, say anything. She said, quote, he came in the courtroom and he left the courtroom in a huff because he got nothing. They left the courtroom and disappeared. That was April 29th, 1986. Gone again. Last time she saw him. No, no, no. There's more. All right.il 29th 1986 gone again last time she saw him fucking no no there's more all right but for now gone again wow he disappears comes back just for court fucking gone leaves doesn't say shit to his kids nothing takes off which is crazy time dad

great dad top-notch dad uh 1987 uh he wrestles a drop in pensacola florida they had their own little promotion there in pensacola he drew he wrestles a little in Pensacola, Florida. They had their own little promotion there in Pensacola. He wrestles a little bit there, some panhandle shit all around. And then he ends up calling it quits in 87 with people looking for him and everything else. He's got kids somewhere. Looking for him. He said, quote, the body didn't want to work anymore. Too crippled up.

I've got arthritis in every joint in my body. I abused my body for a long time, but it was all worth it. I enjoyed every minute of it. I never really had any regrets because I knew that I could not survive in a constrictive environment where you do this, you do that, and you don't do shit until they tell you. No, don't do this, and you don't do that. No, I got into this business because I was an independent contractor, and that's the way I was. I do my life the way I want to do my life. Because, yeah.

Kids, wife, fuck them. Fuck them. Yeah, that's what I mean. He does not want to even be told. He needs to be able to leave every two months and go somewhere else, which the only people as crazy as this are comedians, like we've said. His career total here, he wrestles, this is on this database, 1,307 matches, which will hurt your joints a little bit.

471 wins, 683 losses, and 153 draws. Not bad. Not bad. He's a bad guy, so he's going to lose a lot, obviously. They're going to make him lose. Five-time North American Tag Team Champions, NWA Stampede International Tag Team Champion, three times. He's the heavyweight champion of NWA Gulf Coast and NWA Central States five times heavyweight champion.

All sorts of championships. We listed them. You can go back and listen if you really give a fuck that much, but I don't think you do. Now, after he leaves wrestling, he was a maintenance supervisor for air conditioning work, he said, especially in big apartment buildings. That's what he was, and he loved it.

Yeah. How you can go from... Arthritis in every bone joint in your body and you love air conditioning? It's so tedious and small. Especially if you're a guy who's been traveling, you like to do drugs and travel and try to fuck young girls and now you're going to be working on air conditioning?

Are there apartment rats? I hope not. Do those exist? Jesus, I hope notesus i hope well yeah but not in this way he said quote it was interesting because i learned something new every day i worked on my own time when i wanted to and how i wanted to i was my own boss that worked out fine okay i guess if you're doing it that way meanwhile while he's doing that rebecca is working her ass off to support fucking four kids. As I don't blame her. She has to. She's working 12 hours a day to support her kids. He has completely disappeared again.

She doesn't know where he is and she will not find him until 1990. Wow. She won't find him until 1990. Four years. Well, there's a good reason he disappeared this time. I think he might know that he should be gone. Okay. years. Well, there's a good reason he disappeared this time. I think he might know that he should be

gone. Okay. Because Rebecca says that about a year after the divorce in 1987, Candace Oh, fuck. Reveals that when she was 15 in 1986 or late 1985, probably right before

he left. Oh, Jesus. He sexually assaulted his daughter multiple times and then in a bad way. So like a good mother, she immediately filed charges with the attorney general. Thank fuck. And a warrant is issued for his arrest. But he's fucking gone. That's why he's in the wind.

That's why he ran. That's why he ran. He takes off. And she didn't know about it until after the divorce, so she couldn't nail him for it when he came back for the divorce uh eventually finally and that's why candace didn't show up to the hearing that's why no candace was there i thought it was chris no he walked right by her and didn't say shit didn't make a fucking anything at her which is crazy uh because she was you know at the time she was 7 16 when they got divorced and she was 15 when this happened.

This utter and complete pile of shit. His own fucking daughter, this is exactly Buck Zoomhoff who started this when his daughter was 15 too. These fucking scumbags. How many young fucking girls do you think he fucked around with

for 20 years on the road everywhere? He did this in his house thinking this was a slam dunk i can do this daughter how many different young girls did he abuse over the court i bet it was hundreds i'm not even exaggerating i bet it was dozens to hundreds especially if his partner that he hangs out with his grizzly smith scumbag who's just as into that they probably went around oh i don't even want to fucking know. This is probably one of the most disgusting people we've encountered. I'm not even going to.

It's true. If we took out, if we took realistically what he probably did, he's probably more disgusting than most of the people. I can't. I'm trying to think of one that's worse. It's hard to find. It's hard. I mean, Zoom Off tried to marry her.

He really tried to like yeah he was probably he might have been worse and he fucked around with young girls too just for not as long because he didn't have the opportunity but this one is they both wanted to equal pieces of shit i mean dave meggett with the horrible rapes and tom pain with his towel but a lot of bad guys children though is above and beyond he's out in the open saying like i could i could make that 12 yearyear-old pearl. Because it wasn't considered bad back then with them. But if he's saying it out in public, he's probably already done that to somebody. Oh, he has.

He absolutely has. Probably made her fucking cry. He's into that. Yeah. And it was a known thing that him and Grizzly were both into young girls. And everybody then would just be like, don't hang out with them outside the ring. But they wouldn't actually do anything or say anything. They would just be like, stay away from them outside the ring. That wouldn't actually do anything or say anything they would just be like stay away from them outside the ring that's how it used to be

none of my business i ain't had nothing to do with me because if i say something maybe i don't work next week it's not it's not let's keep all the children safe it's like well your children are your problem fucking disgusting away from him what a piece of shit uh so finally he is finally apprehended in pensacola florida and and brought back to Texas in January 1990. It took that long. He faces felony sexual assault and nonpayment of child support charges because he hasn't paid shit either. Six months later here, July 9th, 1990, he pleads guilty to the sexual assault. Really?

So he actually fucking pleads guilty to this. he pleads guilty to the sexual assault. Really? So he actually fucking pleads guilty to this. He admits that he sexually assaulted his fucking own 15-year-old daughter, you disgusting piece of shit. This is what they do to him, okay? Now, when he was arrested, obviously he's arrested in Pensacola,

brought back to Texas, and he sits in jail for a few months while the plea happens and all that sort of thing. And he sits in jail for a few months while the plea happens and all that sort of thing. Now, once he pleads guilty, I don't even. Wow. Instead of jail time. What? For fucking your daughter. What?

Buck Zumhoff got 25 to life. He pled. Buck Zumhoff got 25 to life. Like he is in fucking prison and he should be. This guy, instead of further jail time, he was part of a new program that required him to stay in touch with authorities, stay away from minors and make sure to pay his child support. And you can fucking go home. No more, sir. You can go home.

Don't do it again. Wow. Talk about a slap on the wrist. Don't you fuck your daughter. Are you kidding me? Holy shit. I don't know if they were like, well, she's over 18 now, so it's not going to happen again. Like, what the fuck were they doing?

Way to go, Texas. Wow. You, sir, may carry on and fuck more kids. I don't even know what that is. You, sir, will fuck off. Will fuck off to get more kids. We'll do it. Wow. We will fuck off.

You go fuck kids. What the hell is this? Now, the only thing that was a positive for it, Rebecca said, was, quote, we didn't have to go to court. So I think that was why she agreed to it was because then her daughter didn't have to go to court and say what her dad did to her in court, which was embarrassing for a teenage girl. Dad's clearly dangerous and he's out on the street. But I think that's one of those things where she probably said, you know what? I didn't protect my daughter once. I'm going to protect her this time. Whatever happens out there is their

fucking problem, but I'm going to protect my kid because I didn't protect her the last time when he was assaulting her under my nose. So I think that's probably the psychology there. I don't know though. And she's going to go back to the trailer park and tell, tell Grizz about this. Yeah. That's yeah. Hey Grizz. Now, uh, in 2006 when he did an interview, Bob didn't go into any details, apparently, about the family stuff. He just said that he hadn't seen his oldest children in over 20 years. Good. And they asked about the court stuff, and he said, quote, I just got a divorce.

That was all. Not, I also got in trouble for fucking my daughter. That's not in there at all. I also pled guilty to banging a child. That little small detail uh from 1990 to 2000 he lived in san antonio at that point uh at some point uh he's with this woman stacy still the quote ring rat drug dealer allegedly uh guess what they do they have another daughter no what is she doing oh no more fucking daughters what is he

doing fuck me really god damn it when that kid came out she should have said oh i can hold my baby now grabbed it by the ankles and smashed it against the wall 15 fucking times and thrown it down to save it deserve it sorry i'm gonna kill this you can't fuck it because i can see it in your eyes you're going how long till i can fuck that thing that you're holding right now? Unbelievable. What a piece of shit. Now, Rebecca said she was happy through this time with him. She said, quote, he paid all the child support, all the arrears and everything.

When you're a convicted child molester, you have to register the rest of your life and you have to register every time you change your address. And also that you have to pay your child support because if you don't for a month they'll come get you you betcha that's it they know where you are uh in 1992 uh christopher who is their oldest son turned 18 bob was allowed to visit flugerville gross and talk to the kids he met with chris kathy and carson not candace thank fuck because she probably wanted to stab him in the throat i don't know why the other kids would want to meet with me there. Talk to him. I have no fucking idea again with the psychology is there, but it's not their fault.

I mean, who knows what you feel if your dad ran away and they fucked your sister. I don't know what you feel to that. I have no idea, but it's disgusting. But he meets with them. Now, according to Rebecca, her son, wanted Bob to, quote, take responsibility and say he's sorry for what he did to Candace and for deserting them. And then they'd go from there. He wanted an apology up front, which I would think is fair. I mean, to start.

He apologized for, yeah, you diddling my sister and leaving us in the lurch like that in a fucking trailer with nothing. She said, quote, did he do that? No. He he sat there and told christopher quote your mother made me leave your mother wouldn't let me see you your mother wouldn't let me talk to you this is all your mother's fault i didn't do anything your mother made candace say that uh when they all went to court and saw him convicted uh that's what he said when they went to court and because he was like look it's not this isn't real your mom did all this it's all her fucking fault uh she said when they went to court because he was like, look, it's not this isn't real. Your mom did all this. It's all her fucking fault. She said when he lived in San Antonio, Christopher tried two other times to go see him in San Antone and he just blew Christopher off. So his son still, even though he this is again, this son, even though he treated him like a piece of shit left him behind, he still is going.

That's fucking desperate for a relationship. And this piece of shit can't even go. Wow. it's amazing that my son forgave me for all that. I really got to make amends. He just blew him off, didn't care. Now, September of 2000, let's see what he did. Let's let Rebecca tell us what he did, because I like this Rebecca. She seems on the ball. She seems on the ball.

She's put her pasties away a long time ago. She says, quote, well, druggies are stupid. He stopped registering in September of 2000. Oh, no. My daughter is the dispatcher at the Pflugerville Police Department, so we still have some more police friends. Candace's? Candace's, yeah. Steph Fitz, fitting.

Quote, I had the feeling he was gone. I could always feel him. I know that sounds stupid, but I felt where he was and proved it. I could always feel him. I said to my daughter, I feel that he's gone. I could always feel him. I know that sounds stupid, but I felt where he was and proved it. I could always feel him. I said to my daughter, I feel that he's gone. I can feel him gone. So I had one of my officer friends in Pflugerville check with the person that handles people that register.

They found that he hadn't registered. So she just was like, he's she got like a weird bat feeling. And it was like, yes, Spidey sense. It was like, he's gone. Check it out. And they they're like he is gone do you feel i feel like i feel like wait i felt a car just blazed down i felt something i felt it yeah it's gone it's like fucking uh frazier crane when lilith was coming into town he'd get a headache he'd start getting a headache immediately he's like i don't know what it is i can feel it coming coming in. Same thing. She felt a burden lifted, and that's the time for him to go back to jail.

Fuck yeah. So now, okay, registered sex offender. Fuck this daughter. Now he has not registered as a sex offender. I'm scorned. Fuckin' prison, right? We're finally going to get this asshole going to prison? No, we're not.

We're fucking not. You know what they do to him? Instead of putting him in prison, Texas fucking deports him. What? They deport him to Canada. Send him to Canada. No punishment. What?

Get out. Which I guess that's punishment, but still. Not from Texas to Canada. He's still free. I'd rather live in fucking Canada than Texas. Sorry, Texas. Come see us in Houston and Dallas on October 5th and 6th at the House of Blues and Small Town Murder Live. Somebody fantastic will be there.

Yeah, us. Somebody unbelievably fantastic in Houston. Somebody fantastic will be there. Yeah. Somebody unbelievably fantastic in Houston. Yeah, you should do that. Come see her and us. Now, so they send him back in April of 2001 to Canada. Right before he left Texas, though. Yeah. Right before he left, he was packing up all his shit.

Yeah. Packing up all his shit. And all of a sudden, there's a knock at the door. Oh, boy. He's like, who is this? Who even knows that I'm here? I'm a hiding, non-registered sex offender. He opens the door.

And guns blazing, tequila going. It's the Mexican pimp. And he says. How is it you've come to arrive here? Why? Why you come here? I come up from Mexico, Mexico to Texas. It's right there.

To see you. And I will not go to Canada. Too cold for the pimp. I will not come. But I wonder why you have daughter. Right. Nice. You could have sold her to many people.

You damaged the merchandise. Why? Why you damaged the merchandise? That is what I want to know. I have no moral standards, as you know. I sell women on a regular basis. But I wonder why you damage a potential sale to a fellow like me, possibly.

I don't understand. You are cantankerous, some bitch, I believe, is how they say in the States. I do not know. Poof. And in a puff of tequila and gun smoke, he's gone. He's out of there. I don't understand it at all.

Cantankerous, some bitch. He's gone, and that's it. And Bob's very confused on the way back to Canada. He does not understand. But he said, I wonder if that guy had any young girls I could talk to. He was mad that he didn't get to talk to him more. So he said in 2006 about going to Canada, quote, I'm like an elephant. I'm coming home to die.

Is that what they do? Do elephants come home to die? I don't know. Do they know where they're from? They're pretty fucking smart. I don't know anything about elephants. He should have said moose. I'm a moose, yeah.

I'm a Canadian moose coming home to die. Now, the daughter he had with Stacy is a hockey player, which is interesting. So apparently she was excited to go up to British Columbia. They settled in Nanaimo. I don't know. His brother Leo lived up there. So he moved up to where his brother is. There's not even no one.

They're not even tracking him. I want a fucking ankle bracelet on this guy. A guy that's, that's a known child fucker out of the country. They don't even do that. Do they send a fax to Canada? I would hope so. Hey,

we're sending a kid fucker. We're sending them back. Kid fucker on the way. Now he's fucked children. Like when he, when he left your place, didn't fuck kids. When he got here,

fuck all sorts of kids. Who knows how many kids he fucked along. That's why I said when he was traveling around Canada in the early early 20s when i was like god knows what he was doing god knows what the fuck he was doing i want an ankle bracelet on him one of the ones that monitors like alcohol in your sweat and drugs and like excited sweat from young girls anything elevated jizz levels because of your excitement from young girls anytime Anytime he's a tablespoon low on jizz, check him out. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

That's the one. So 2006, Bob said his body's falling apart. He's a diabetic. He has terrible arthritis. He's just not doing well. His condition worsens and worsens. And sometime in the early 2010s, he is confined to a nursing home in Nanaimo or whatever it is with memory issues. Because at this point now, his brain has gone, which he's been hitting the head a lot.

And he's an old man. He's in the 70s and he's been hitting the head a lot. So you add those two things together, he's not going to remember shit. And he can't walk and he can't remember to check his blood sugar and everything else. But it's Canada, so they'll take care of him. But they do take care of him. Now, January 21st, 2013, his son Christopher dies. What?

Poor Christopher. His oldest fucking son died at 40, I think, or 40, 39 or some crazy shit. Of a broken heart? Yeah, probably. And embarrassment? That's crazy, man. So that's sad as shit. This kid had a rough life, man.

I feel bad for Christopher. Chasing the love of his father his entire life. I mean, not only Candace, obviously. The worst and the family and the wrestlers he shit on. And I feel bad for Christopher, but not nearly, Jimmy. Not nearly as bad. I caught you on that one. Not nearly as bad as I feel for Robert Byer.

What? An actor on IMDb who was a director-actor for a 2012 film that's still listed as completed, called The Arrival. So I feel bad for him on many levels. He's got a feeling that's never arriving. It's never going to arrive. Robert Byer, a service supervisor at Michigan Cat, the equipment shit. He's the heavy equipment shop supervisor at Michigan Cat. Robert Byer, a core fuel system supervisor at Ford Motor Company.

Oh, no. That sounds important. Yeah. Dr. Robert Beyer. Oh, no. A doctor in Germany. Oh, Christ. The rest was in German.

I wasn't going to translate because it doesn't matter. Don't give a shit. And also, to throw it in there, what the fuck, Robert Carson, a 2012 draft pick for the New York Mets. Oh, Jesus. Got released from the L.A. Dodger organization. Because they thought he was a child molester. He failed a bunch of drug tests. I'm sure the child molesting thing, the rumors of it didn't help.

On April 4th, 2018, he signed with the York Revolution of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball. So he's playing Indy Minor League Baseball now. Grace has already happened. Carson, yeah. All the Robert Carsons are over with. And February 10th, 2017, Bob Robert Byer Carson Sweeten dies in a nursing home in Canada after years and years of torturous, torturous mind falling apartfalling-apart diabetes and painful, painful arthritis. I hope he lost a limb before it was over.

Fuck you. I really hope he lost both feet and had to hobble around in his stumps. Piledrive that, cocksucker. God piledrived him. Is that how it goes? Piledrive? I think so, yeah. Piledrove.

Yeah, I don't know. We'll go with piledrove, piledrive. I like piledrive. I like it, too. It sounds hard. Because it sounds stupid and it sounds, yeah. So when he dies, as you can imagine, everybody's very sad, as you know. I mean, everyone's depressed at this. So many tears.

Jim Ross is so depressed, as you might imagine, that he tweeted, quote, Sweetin was a main event level talent but was a miserable human being based on my experiences with him. R.I.P. nonetheless. Bless his family. Nonetheless.i.p nonetheless bless his family nonetheless that means you're a fucking dick he may as well have just said found out sweet and died who cares who cares exactly some fucking just found out sweet and died end of tweet that's it done nobody gives a shit uh or wrapped it up with a Trump. So sad. Sad with a fucking with a rolling eyes emoji.

Not didn't mean that at all. Unbelievable. They asked Bruce Pritchard, who has a good podcast, also called Something to Wrestle. It's damn fucking funny and good. Bruce Pritchard was asked on Twitter who his least favorite person to work with was. And he said Bob Sweetin because he was just fucking miserable, which is great. Let's give Rebecca Carson the last word on this because you know what? He tortured this poor woman, fucked her kids, fucked her over, made her work from a trailer

fucking 12 hours to support her goddamn kids while he ran around fucking coke whores and everything else. Fucked her family in so many different ways. So many ways. Let's give her the last word because she has some strong words to say about him. She says, quote, he's a waste of skin as far as I'm concerned. He fried his brain, deserted his children, abused them emotionally, physically, sexually, mentally, whatever. But that's what drugs do.

He fried his brain. He's a fried egg so that's bob sweeten can't get enough of bob sweeten waste of a host of fucking it was a waste of extra glucose or less glucose whatever can't get enough of bob waste of insulin yeah yeah we don't don't give him any he's waste. On eBay, you can get the September 1972 wrestling magazine. It has Terry Funk, Harley Race, which are two of the biggest legends in the history of the world, and Bob on the cover. Wow. It's $16.94 Canadian, which is like six bucks here, I think.

No, it's not. But he devalued it. He devalued it, yeah. Yeah. Also, a 1990 and 1983 wrestling review magazine with Junkyard Dog, Baron Von Raschke and also Bob and Jimmy Snooker. Right. On the same fucking cover. Eleven dollars, 72 cents Canadian. Get yourself a crime rich cover there. And finally, a 1983 all star wrestling card of Bob, like a like a trading card of Bob. Twenty eight dollars and sixty nine cents Canadian mint condition. wrestling card of Bob, like a trading card of Bob. $28.69 Canadian. Wow. It's like mint condition.

Apparently they're collector's items and people like to collect them. That's steep. Even the molesters. I'm surprised all those weren't burned like the Onus Wagner and it was worth trillions. But that's Robert Byer Carson, sweet and asshole, dickhead, bruiser, shitbag. Wow. If you hated him. Tell me real quick, the Onus Wagner one, those were burned?

No, that's one of the rumors. That's not probably what it was. The rumor I heard was that because they were in tobacco, he didn't want to be in it? Yeah, that's bullshit. That's bullshit because he actually sold his picture to cigar bands and to chewing tobacco. It's a great looking car, too. It's a great thing. No, I read a thing about that.

Him and I think it was a couple other guys's a great thing no i read a thing about that him and i think it was uh a couple other guys from them they did they didn't like the compensation they got and told them you can't use my shit because you're not paying me enough that's what it was it was that nothing to do with now it's worth now it's worth yeah yeah but that's what it was though the copy he was a star and the compensation wasn't enough kind of like in every video game there's like two players that aren't in it because they didn't pay him enough in the night in the 2000s it was always Barry Bonds isn't in any of the baseball games because he has his own thing. Michael Jordan's not in the new NBA Jam. He was in none of the games in the 90s because he had his own brand.

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You keep the lights on and you keep this thing going and you keep this thing awesome, you know, worth doing. So thank you so much. We're going to do it until the wheels run off of this bastard. We were discussing it. We might to elongate this because right now we only pick guys who have like a two hour story, two hour plus story. It's hard to tell a story about a guy and then be like, then he got arrested for drinking and driving. Yeah. So that's so much crime.

There's some guys that only did one thing that was crazy, but there's not a lot of story around it either. So those guys maybe would take an hour, an hour 20. We're going to maybe throw in in the future some mini episodes from week to week that are minis like an hour 20, an hour 30. It's not going to be fucking 30 minutes long. Which is still double the length of most podcasts. Of Ray Carruth.

That's what I mean. Who fucking tried to murder a woman and a baby. Yeah, so we're going to do some stuff like that, but we're going to keep this going. We want to make this last another few years before we just run out of these long stories, but we're going to make it work. There's so many more.

There's a lot of famous people to go. There's plenty out there. Don't worry about that. But all that shit, Jimmy, what if they wanted to tell you about all that shit? How would they get a hold of you? You can find me at Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat. And you guys telling me how you found this stuff and what goes on in your daily life means a lot to me. And I appreciate it.

So don't stop. There's nothing that you – I get a lot of messages where people are like, I can't believe you responded. This is so weird. Are you shitting me? Are you kidding me, really? If you send me something... Thank you for talking to us. Right.

If you give a damn about me and want to talk to me, I fucking appreciate anything you're about to say. So do that, and I appreciate it. What about you? Where can they tell you all the stuff they tell me? You can tell me things. At Jimmy P is funny, or you can just copy and paste my last name from the show description. I am just as thankful.

I might not respond quite as much because I have more shit going on on a computer. Yeah, James is up a child molester's ass. Yeah, I'm doing this shit. James is finding a child molester better than Texas fucking lawmen. Better than they imprison them. I'll tell you that fucking much right now. But never mind all that. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another crazy episode.

We love the wrestler episodes. They're always the craziest. It's been a good time. My new favorite sport. Oh, it's so much fun. Thank you so much, Royce Isaacs. I had a blast. Thank you.

Sorry I couldn't make it. You can hear it. I was sick as a fucking dog. It was a great time, James. You blew it. I did blow it. The man wears a fanny pack for a cash register. It's a great time, James. She blew it. I did blow it. The man wears a fanny pack for a cash register.

It's awesome. That's what they all do, man. That's the uniform. But never mind all that. Live from the Crime and Sports studios, we will see you next week. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.