Crime in Sports - #131 - Jeeps, Meatballs & Forcible Sex - The Determinedness of Billy Tibbetts

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

This week, we explore the world of a guy who had the world seemingly handed to him, and just couldn't wait to give it right back. H became from a privileged background, and had every opportunity to have all the best in life, but chose to assault a young lady, threaten a police officer's family, and shooting a fellow party goer... And that's all before he even played professional sports! This one is particularly insane!!Impress scouts with your hockey talent, get off easy from a sympathetic judge, and disappoint everyone who gives you a chance with Billy Tibbetts!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yay indeed. Thank you folks so much for joining us. I think I sound a little more normal this week. You do. You sound fantastic. Thank you for everyone who braved through me sounding fucking awful. This is a great show. But thank you guys for joining us.

My name is James Petrigallum here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. And we're excited to be here. Yeah. Thank you for sitting through Bob sweet and last week and that disastrous human what a piece of garbage human how do you fuck your own daughter we have asshole or idiot and he's in the evil category which is a separate there's asshole idiot and monsters and he's in the monster category today though if you play asshole or idiot this is pure asshole baby

this is just pure asshole it's a guy that you can just just dislike and just dislike and keep disliking him which is always the best episodes those are always fun run on just like yeah you don't want anybody with a moral of the whole thing where you're like oh you know i mean willie mays akins great story but happy ending and we were all this we were all a little disappointed with that i got it i remember at the end i was like i gotta be honest i feel a little he's doing well i don't feel good this. He wasn't preaching or anything like that. He was just like telling his bad story. Doing his job.

Yeah. Working in baseball and not being a shithead anymore. Which is helpful. Which is good for him and society, but for us, not as fun. No. Today, I guarantee it's a mess though. Right. Let's do this.

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Let's do it. Let's look at our asshole of the day. All right. He's an asshole, this guy. I'm sure he is. And he just, he always says he's not an asshole. According to him, he's just such a misunderstood guy that's living with the burden of a youthful indiscretion.

The best. That just crushes his soul because he's different now. He's very Christ-like and it's just, you're going to love him. You're going to love him. It's Billy Tibbetts. Tibbetts.

William Tibbetts. Running back? No, he's a hockey player. He's a hockey player. And I did not do this on purpose. People are going to go, oh, you just picked him because he has the exact same name

as the girl who disappeared in Iowa. No. Didn't fucking notice that until I was on page two of searching him and I'm like, holy shit, that's the same fucking name as the girl who disappeared in iowa no didn't fucking notice that until i was on page two of searching him and i'm like holy shit that's the same fucking name and the same spelling and everything it's weird i'm that's not what we were i don't want to take shots at people but how dare you start a podcast or do a podcast episode on that already already yeah people do people are up that already but yeah it happened anyway. Didn't do that. So people would search and do this.

I honestly, I don't do that. I try to find more obscure people to drive. I try to drive listeners away. That's our crime in sports. It's working. We dare you to listen. That's what we try to do. We dare you.

Yeah. You heard of this guy? No. We're going to do him. Heard of this guy? Even less? Well, let's do him too. We're going to do our best to evade listeners.

That's right. That's what we're going to do. We're going to duck, bob and weave. Duck and cover. And do hockey players named Billy Tibbetts rather than doing well-known people. Let's do this here. He was born October 14, 1974, Boston, Massachusetts. He's a Boston kid, so you have to put the Boston accent on anything that I say that

he says, which makes all of it funnier obviously by the way Boston live show for small town murder at the Wilbur theater it's an enormous venue scaring the living shit out of us so please buy your tickets now before we show up and have nobody there there's a second Boston Massacre

but it's a huge theater close it up go get the tickets now he grows up there he's a rich But it's a huge theater. That's the problem. Close it up. Go get the tickets now. So he grows up there. He's a rich kid. He's a rich kid. Grows up to be about 6'2", by the way, 215 when he plays. Tall and rich? Yeah, we'll find out.

Fuck, do I hate him? Yeah, we'll find out. Wait till you hear more. But you're going to hate him even more. You think you hate him now, Jimmy. This is not Jimmy's kind of guy. This is a different kind of guy. Non-criminal guy in this situation.

I already hate him. You already hate him if he just plays hockey and grows up in a wealthy affluent home and actually grows up i'm still waiting that's true yeah he's uh he plays right wing so he's not a defenseman usually our guys are defensemen somehow as a right wing he still amasses penalty minutes and fighting like like a defenseman so good for him he doesn't really give a shit. 6'2", he's about 215. Like I said, we'll find out later where and how he puts that extra weight on because he's a little thin before that.

But he grows up in a really nice house. There's this article about him and he grows up here outside of Boston, like we said. It's Situate, it's uh situate it's called or situate or situate uh situates what i've always heard but it's spelled s-c-i so it looks like science it looks like skituate yeah but it's actually situate okay uh so we're not going to mispronounce that luckily because i'm from the east coast and i've heard it before otherwise i would fucking butcher it for two hours so uh he grows up across from the Scituate Yacht Club. That's where his house is.

It's right by the harbor. He's a goddamn rich kid. Youngest of three kids, of course. His parents are Terry and Joe Tibbetts. Pick which one is which. It doesn't matter. Either way. Flip-flop.

Flip-a-flop them. Doesn't matter. Either way. Flip a flop. Flip a flop. Joe Tibbetts is a Harvard graduate who served as the vice president of a Boston construction company. Holy shit. So he's a rich kid who comes from a very kind of upper crusty.

He got a vice president of a construction company for a dad. Yeah, absolutely. absolutely he uh his his sister was four years older than him graduated from columbia which is ivy league in new york uh and uh was a product manager for amazon.com good christ like years ago this the article i saw yeah well yeah this was like uh i think 2000 2001 so that's you know that's a that's where they're from yeah that's a in seattle she too, so it's like definite beginnings here. Also, he has a brother who was a football player and played at Jefferson College before he went to Boston University, and his brother we'll talk about also later on. What a fucking great, what a life. It's interesting. I can't imagine. Yeah.

Like, my sister dropped out of community college. Yeah, yeah. I never stepped foot on campus unless I was doing some sort of electric work. My family's not a real college kind of family. We're just kind of... My older sister was a stripper, so that works. Yeah, that's good. That's good.

That's education. I have two younger brothers. My younger Eric, who you've met, great guy. Killing it. Works for Metro North Railroad in New York. He's a union guy, steady kind of working dude. A little scary. Good dude. Yeah, yeah. Good dude. New York guy thatroad in New York. He's a union guy. Steady kind of working dude. A little scary. Good dude.

Yeah, yeah. Good dude. New York guy that is in the union. Can hold his beer like a bastard, too. Really can hold his alcohol. It's very frightening. Fuck beers. I meant to drink whiskey.

Liquor, vodka. He's a fucking monster. He's a man. It's good for him. My other little brother, who's out here, had some issues, we'll say. Okay. Nice kid still. Good guy.

But had some issues. Some of us do. It happens. So you never know yeah my brother's a trucker that's adidas your brother's a trucker that's good yeah good for him it's great work yeah but it's not it's not i bet he's happy for some reason i guarantee i know every trucker i know is actually very happy they're like yeah no i get away i get to think i get on my own people leave me the fuck alone for hours at a time which is because he smokes a lot well i don't know if he still does but he used to smoke a shitload of weed yeah i don't know if they can i don't know if he's allowed to anymore i don't know if he just canceled yeah there should be canceled i mean i cancel my subscription to weed program's been canceled it's been canceled my weed smoking program and put it on the show i don't know if he just quit or what the fuck he does now he did i don't know listen who knows who knows uh he uh uh billy here began

skating at the age of four so very very young ice skating yeah ice skating ice skating as a hockey player uh the teacher at where he went uh called up the mother to see if her kids wanted to play hockey because they really liked hockey. And they were all pretty good skaters at a young age. So they did. When he's younger, at age nine, Pittsburgh Penguins scout Neil Shea, who ended up later on finding him again, as we'll talk about, he saw him play at age nine. Age nine, this guy. Play hockey.

And he liked it. Billy Tibbetts. Yeah, he said, quote, he was always head and shoulders above everybody athletically. He was just wild and rambunctious. When you're that age, you have that kind of energy. People look at you like you're crazy. But this guy is a scout, saw what he could do on the ice, and just saw he was a nine-year-old hyperactive kid.

Impressive. Yeah. He was so good, he started playing in his older brother's league because he was better with the older kids. He's very, very aggressive all the time. Physically aggressive on the ice. And he's just an aggressive cat. They didn't put that together for later yet?

Well, for hockey, they're like, that's great temperament you got there, son. Yeah, get in there. Stick that right in his throat. That's where you want to jab that thing. This is a brain damage sport, and this man, I feel like, has garnered and just extracted every bit of brain damage he can out of it. He embraced it. He embraced it.

Problems in school all the time. His mother is Terry, and his father is Joe, by the way, in case you... Who knows how you had him? You might have had him flip flop. Maybe mom was the president. You don't know. We don't know that. No, no.

But Terry and Joe, either way. So he says he couldn't sit still or she says he couldn't sit still in school. He had problems. His mother asked the school to hold him back for a year in first grade to kind of catch up to the kids in maturity. But they said no his mother said quote he had no attention span because of that he was causing trouble dropping pencils getting frustrated answering teachers back he had an attention deficit attention disorder and he was hyperactive so that's he had adhd before it was a thing yeah when i was a kid and when you were a kid it was like that kid's kid's an asshole. That's how you said it.

It wasn't like, oh, that kid just needs to, you know, he needs a pill and he'll calm the fuck down. They were just like, nope, he's fucked up and whatever, gone.

And they wanted to hold him back. And they're like, no, no, no, no. If we hold him back, then he's bigger than everybody. He'll beat the holy shit out of everybody. Yeah, now we're in trouble. He's beating the shit out of kids his own age.

Yeah. We're going to hold him back a year? And that was in elementary school, but they just kept passing him in elementary school because, don't know he was they just didn't want him i guess teachers were like all right i'm done with this fucking kid you're gonna have another year fuck that yeah he had he had trouble though uh in middle school a lot uh he had trouble very academically he was terrible too he just had trouble paying attention he was add and for those kids it's hard to pay attention in school and sit still and all that sort of thing uh but he was never tested for

any learning disabilities back then because back then it was like there was dyslexia yeah and that was it that was the learning that you're either hate to say it but this is what they'd say back in the day it's like is he dyslexic no is he retarded no well he's fine he'll be all right shut the fuck up and stay in the back of the class on the cap and move the tassel that's it yeah that's all it was that's that's that's all they did with kids like us they didn't even try it was you know it's the way it was uh his mother said quote he was very rambunctious and not a good student uh he it had nothing to do with his iq he was a smart kid but he was inattentive he couldn't sit still when he was little i kept uh i kept saying keep him back but school said there's no need to keep him back except that he's immature which is why

you'd keep him back uh so it took him a long time to mature he was very young for a very long time like he's still right pretty fucking catching up he's still got a i'm tapping my watch here he's still got a little to go on the maturity i feel feel like, anyway. And he had every opportunity. That's what makes me annoyed. When you're from that family, you've got every opportunity. I mean, guys like you and I didn't have this shit. No, we didn't have every opportunity.

We didn't have private schools. No, that's the school that is in the district that the bus goes to. Get in there. Get over there. Run away from the bullies. They don't have a program. Yeah, that's all it was. Good luck. Enjoy. Run, fucker. Yeah yeah what are you doing run pussy not even fucker

run faggot that's all it was yeah yeah it's true wow we've gone there and and and jesus christ in the first 20 minutes pretty politically incorrect but that's what was happening that's what they would say to us that's not for me that's what your dad would say to us. That's not for me. That's what your dad would say to you. And your stepfather. Yeah. When you come home bloody, does he look worse? Is he faster? What? Is he fast?

I'm bleeding. What are you talking about? I bet everybody out there, I heard this one. Somebody told me, I can't remember what adult told me this, but this is what an adult told a child back in the day. Said, I bet you anything that everybody out there, you're either tougher or faster than them in one or the other. Yeah. So that's it. If they're tougher than you, either tougher or faster than them, one or the other. So that's it.

If they're tougher than you, you're probably faster than them. You can run away. And if they're faster than you, you could probably beat the shit out of them. I'm like, that makes no sense. None. And somehow all the sense in the world. What if I run into Mike Tyson? That's the problem.

Who is much tougher and holy shit faster. That's the other problem. What if there's a really athletic person and I'm just like, I shouldn't have ran. It made him more angry. That's what happened with Greg Mort if there's a really athletic person and I'm just like, I shouldn't have ran. It made him more angry. And he's beating me. That's what happened with Greg Mortensen. That piece of shit. He beat the ever-living fuck out of me because he was faster and bigger.

That's a problem. Yeah. You got to be really quick. I guess work on your speed or your right hook. I'm not sure what the message was to me. I caught a hold of him, but holy fuck. He tore my pants. That motherfucker.

Jesus Christ. That's how bad he kicked my ass. I was bleeding from the hip. That's a bad. That's bad i was bleeding from the hip that's a bad that's bad for childhood beating yeah normally they don't attack joints and limbs normally it's just for face and stomach because he beat me so bad i was trying to run and i slipped and fell and then slid on my hip well don't blame him for that and you fell oh i went back to his house i hit him in the face and then he beat the shit out of me again good at least you tried i

felt good because he was black you gotta try in try. In his eye. I mean, not... His eye was black. I would hope so. Just his eye? Not the rest of it? What the hell's wrong with you? I felt good for beating him black? You felt good because you just said, I felt good for beating him because he was black.

Which I'm like... What am I doing? I looked at you like, what are you talking about? And then you're like, no, he's a white kid with a black eye. Yeah, I get what you're saying. You beat his eye black. Right. That's what you were trying to say. Not, I beat a black kid's eye. Holy you're saying you beat his eye black right that's what you were

trying to say not i beat a black kid's eye and i'm happy about it what am i doing not only were you happy but you're happy because he was black yeah he said i hunted him down i said come here mister there we go that's one for the white race and i fucking gave him a shot like that's wrong you can't do that dreg mortensen he sounds sounds super black, right? Yeah, totally, totally. Well, in Phoenix, too. I pictured it in Phoenix, so I'm like, definitely wasn't a black kid. I know that's a fact. Definitely not.

So this idiot here, Billy, this is how many opportunities he gets. Well, first of all, he loved hockey growing up. He loved the Bruins because he grows up in Boston. He was a big fan of any goon that the Bruins had at the time. He liked the fighters. He liked the tough guys. He was very much just all Bruins all the time. He knew all the stats.

He knew everything. Awesome. He says, quote, I'd watch them on TV with my dad. My mother would make me go to bed before the third period and I'd sneak back downstairs and my dad would let me watch. That's nice. So right away, mixed messages of what you're allowed to get away with and all that type of shit that I feel like it sounds just folksy. Like, oh, my dad, that's that's cute.

And if everything worked out well and he was retired from the NHL with, you know, a beautiful home and three kids and a job as an announcer somewhere. A bust somewhere. Security and all that. You know, financial security. I would say, say you know what his dad did the right thing but the fact that where he ends up he told him that hockey supersedes other shit and rules i feel like don't listen to anybody else if hockey's involved no uh he went to two private high schools two different ones because he got kicked out of them that's when you know you're a rich kid if your parents send you to private school you get kicked out and they're like,

we'll find you another one. Don't worry. If my parents somehow pulled it together enough to pay for private school, which was not even a remote thought possibility or even like a thing anywhere, and I got kicked out, oh my God, my father would have murdered me. Yeah, legitimate death. If he wasted $8,000 and I got kicked out, oh my God, my father would have murdered me.

Yeah. He would have. Legitimate death. If he wasted $8,000 and I got, he would have killed me with his bare hands. My mother and my stepfather would be on TV with that fake face going, just bring him home. Just bring him home. And all the while they'd know that I was in the backyard under about three feet of dirt.

That or he would find the worst school in the world to send me to, like the worst public. Which one has the most stabbings? You're going there. Run, pussy. Yeah, run, pussy. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God.

So then he also ended up attending some public schools, too, while they were looking for private schools. They had to have them in school. Well, they were all too full. Well, yeah, exactly. With all the other spoiled rich kids. All of them, his grades were low. All the teachers said he was disinterested.

He had no interest in it. All he cared about was hockey. And he'd often get wouldn't be able to play for school teams because of his low grades. So he'd get hockey taken away. He'd be ineligible. because of his low grades so he'd get hockey taken away he'd be ineligible and so now he had nothing to do and he's a pissy angry hyperactive uh guy who wants to fight and play hockey and has nowhere to fight and play hockey they call that a spoiled brat a spoiled fucking brat and it's it's a bad cocktail there's a little time i hear ticking right here just in the background this is

such a white problem yeah oh this happens this isn't even i don't even know what the fuck this is there's another shade of white that i'm not familiar with this this is so much privilege his mother says quote we kept trying we kept trying to do our best to find the right school for him what my parents said that's the school the bus takes you to that's the school don't get kicked out because that's the only fucking school you're going to. Unless you find another one the bus comes to because we're not fucking driving you. So good luck. What a fucking statement.

Run or fight. That's it. But don't get kicked out. My dad used to tell me that all the time. I don't care if you fight. Just don't get caught. That was his thing. If you get caught, I'll be mad at you.

I'm like, well, that's not a message to send. That's not exactly. You're telling me to do bad things, but do them carefully? What are we, in the mafia? What the fuck kind of instruction is that? You got to hijack a truck once in a while. I understand, guy. Listen, look, I get it.

But you pop a cap in the driveway, I'm going to be a little upset at you. That's all I'm saying. What? Dad, fights take a minute. Did you remember that? It's not one hit run. You know what I mean? I don't know.

What are we doing here? This isn't the mafia. We put two behind his ear and get out of there? That's not one hit run. You know what I mean? I don't know. What are we doing here? This isn't the mafia. We put two behind his ear and get out of there? That's not how it works. Sometimes there's going to be enough time for a teacher to write. And a crowd gathers. It's a bad thing. Then there's screaming.

And teachers tend to pay attention to that part. Absolutely. And then also his mother said, quote, through it all, he skated and played hockey when he could. That would be the other thing. I wouldn't be allowed to play hockey because it costs money to go skate in rinks also. Buy you what? Pads? no and get out there pussy rink ice time cost money uh run pussy skate pussy so uh his mother said unfortunately they kept taking hockey away so it was so it was always a fight those years from about seventh grade on were very hard for him

and for us very tough tough. Just very tough. Enabling. That's what I mean. She's Mama Gilretha Award frontrunner this year for her. She's killing it. Poor Billy. He's just this poor Billy, and he has problems, and oh, boy. Then they'd take hockey from him when he was a bad kid.

Gee, you should have taken hockey from him or something. I don't fucking know. Food, fucking clothes. I don't care what it is. Everything in his room. Private schools. Imagine the gadgets and shit this kid had. from him or something i don't fucking know food fucking clothes i don't care what it is private schools right imagine the gadgets and shit this kid had he was one of the kids who in the mid 90s had like a really cool jeep yeah you know those fucking kids that had a really cool jeep the big red ones or yellow or the cj7s with the 33s tires i knew those kids they had a white hat on the college team on it with the circle with the thing you we know the kid we're talking about those kids he was that kid yeah all sorts of cool shit oh this is

ridiculous uh so very tough he ends up leaving town here leaving situate or whatever the fuck situate and joins london of the ontario hockey league which we've had other people and that's it's the junior hockey league up there uh a lot of kids play through this, as we know, when they're 16, 17. Talented players play this, mainly for kids who aren't good, because there's two routes with hockey. You can try to do juniors when you're very young and then get drafted 18, 19 into the NHL and play minors for a while, or you go the college route and go play for one of five schools with a hockey team.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. I don't think Duke has one. Maine probably has. I don't know if the Duke hockey team. They have a lacrosse team, as we know very well. I don't think the Tar Heels plays hockey. No, maybe they were doing that in the offseason. I'm not sure.

So he goes up there. He plays. Most of the kids go to high school. I remember Danton had to go to school while he did this and shit like the American kids. This kid just he just stopped going to high school. That's it. And his parents are like, that's OK, Billy. Yeah, that's it.

Do you need anything? Can we send you anything? Sixteen years old. No education. Do you need a new Super Nintendo? Because did you break games? Can we send you anything? James, he's got a brother and sister going to fucking Columbia.

How's your stereo? Because we can get you a new one. Well, that's fine for them. But you know what, Billy? You do it all at your own speed because he's just a little inattentive and he's going to come around. It's all going to click and he's going to graduate from Harvard with honors. It's going to happen.

But for now, he's just going to drop out of high school. But, you know, it'll be fine. Who's going to wipe his ass up there? This is crazy. He doesn't get his high school but you know it'll be fine who's gonna wipe his ass up there no this is crazy he doesn't uh get his high school diploma no at all just plays hockey and you know what this is weird that i would say this now but it's grace this is grace that's it this is grace wow this is it he's played some hockey uh he's played some some juniors in uh in canada oh boy and uh his parents give him stuff undeservedly i guess would be the best way to put it. That's grace.

This is going to be bad. This is bad. To put the future in perspective for you, I will let a childhood friend named Kurt Gardner, who told, I believe, the Boston Globe this description of Billy here. Quote, he was misjudged a lot because of his temperament uh that's no very contradictory state look he's just likes to punch people in the face for no reason and fly off the handle people think that his character's off because of that i don't get it what's up with yeah that's that's this whole entire episode is uh people misjudge him a lot because he's an asshole like they so they think he's an asshole it's weird they judge him for being an asshole because he's a fucking asshole isn't that

weird that's banana super strange uh so he said once he's 17 he'd been to a shitload of different high schools he's you know it's 1992 i'm sure he's got a flannel shirt on and his pants are huge yeah who knows depending on what kind of listen music he listened to it was listening to he could have had bright orange carl can i pants or his pants were on backwards could have been grungy yeah we have no idea anything's possible in 92 really it is anything he could be a mac daddy or a daddy mac at this point who knows he could have a hyper color shirt with sweat marks on it and people's handprints and whatever other shit they put out back then so dumb you could say stussy across his fucking chest you know you could say stussy across his fucking chest you

know i don't know i could say mossimo on his shorts which it probably does he could shop at merry-go-round for z cavaricci's and ious we don't know anybody under 35 is like huh what the fuck are you talking about i don't know that brand i don't know that store that was a store and some shitty brands that they sold with a lot of pleats in them. Just think, why does that pant have so many pleats? Why is that teenager wearing 50-year-old man pants? What is up with that? They have a waistline that's, I don't know, six inches high, and then pleats that burst out like a blooming, blossoming flower from your legs.

They're insanely tight around his ankles. This is bizarre. But he's rolled them up tightly anyway so even if they were loose he's got him cuffed tightly above his push-down socks for some reason what's happening what the fuck is going on there that's the guido uniform of 1992 so uh march 3rd 1992 speaking of 1992 and this is where it really falls apart so i said grace so i mean it's it's 16 going into 17 and it's things are bad uh there is a fight at the Tibbetts household here. At the house.

At the household. In Boston. In Boston, or situate. Involving his brother and him, and who the fuck else knows. His brother, I guess, brought police. The police ended up coming. Billy was 17 years old at this point. 17 years, five months.

So they charged him as an adult here. Too close to 18. Too close, Billy. You're too close to be a fuck up. He always acts like his mom can get him out of it. And it's just the principle. That's how he always acts. Sometimes that's the way it is.

And that's how he is his whole life, whether it's with hockey and coaches. It's okay. I'm Billy. I'm a good guy. I'm just I'm I'm I'm Billy. I'm a good guy. I'm just misunderstood because of my temperament. From time to time, I'm an asshole. Yeah. Judge me for it.

Well, let's find out why. Yeah. Let's find out why he's charged with a list of offenses, including assault and battery, domestic abuse of his brother, abuse of his brother, assault and battery of police officers. Oh, no. Disorderly person, destruction of property and threatening to commit a crime. Not good at this point. What's the threat?

That's not. We don't have the exact. He was a minor, even though he was charged as an adult from 1992. We're lucky we have this much. You're right. Because this was literally just such a bump in the road. He wasn't famous yet. All these pre-fame ones are so hard to find.

Once they're famous, they get arrested. It's on there. But pre-fame, it's like, holy once they're famous they get arrested it's on there but pre-fame it's like holy shit good luck to steal some shoelaces he threw well he did steal or no he threatened to commit a crime maybe he threatened to steal some shoelaces you never know but he did destruct property yeah so that's a problem uh yeah uh bad stuff here not not terrific now so you'd think he's gonna chill the fuck out at least. He should. His parents should be like- Beating the ever-living fuck out of him.

Yeah, he is under 18. Right. My daughter just turned 17. I wouldn't be like, well, you're an adult now. I'd be like, you are fucking done. Get in your room. Everything that you rely on me for is being cut the fuck out. Yes, except for vital essentials.

Right. Except for- Water, bread. Go to your room. And prison issue shoes. Here you go. Have fun. Here's some fucking Crocs. Here and prison issue shoes. Here you go. Have fun.

Fucking Crocs. Here's some shower shoes. Knock off Crocs. So Jesus Christ. March 22nd of 1992. This is 19 days later. Oh, no. He is arrested again. He's arrested again, this time on charges of intimidating a witness and threatening

to commit a crime, both relating to uh to no no to a policeman oh my now uh somehow he ends up it's fucking crazy he ends up uh threatening a policeman and threatening the policeman's family what it's it's nuts man he ends up later on in 1994 he's found guilty of intimidation or intimidating that's what i mean he's 17 years old he's threatening cops and their families like his temperament and that's amidst this is this will get you misjudged it should it'll get you judged yeah rightly so it will get you judged even the fucking misjudgment going on even the mafia wouldn't do that they don't they know better than that they're like fucking cop i bet he'll tell on us you know unless he's dirty he's not

gonna fucking unless you're gonna bury him with zero witnesses talk nothing to him talk yeah don't but he does he uh later on though he's found guilty of intimidation he's ordered to stay away from the policeman whose family he threatened and he's given a six month suspended sentence later in an 18 month probation okay but this isn't even close to it too even on the ice he has problems with teammates and coaches. When he's 18 here, or when he's 17, but it's the year he would have been drafted, he's moving all around to different teams. He starts with the Sioux City Musketeers.

He went to Iowa. He went to Washington State. The Tri-City Americans, a team he was playing for. So he's just traveling all around. the Tri-City Americans, a team he was playing for. So he's just traveling all around. He ends up joining, like we said, the London Knights of the Ontario Hockey League. And things started to get a little bit better for him.

This is after the two assaults and everything. He goes and plays for teams, and everything looks fine. That shit goes away? Well, we'll see. He comes home to have some weekend home, which we always know, never go home if you're a criminal athlete. Terrible idea. This guy never moves away. He always ends up home.

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one way or another she's not somebody you want to be around no she's already can pull that off. She's trouble. One way or another, she's not somebody you want to be around. No, she's either an alcoholic by genetics or she is seasoned already at 15, which is bad. I like to call it pickled. Neither one here. One way or another. What ends up happening, she ends up passing out one of these girls

and what ends up happening here, this 15-year-old girl is taken behind a red brick warehouse building. Carried there? which is never good. Yeah. Carried there by three boys. Three boys carry her back there. One of them is Billy Tibbetts, apparently.

And they rape her. She is apparently passed out, as all the witnesses say. Either way, it doesn't matter. She's 15. Either way, it doesn't matter. She's 15. Now, three days after this, he's charged with three counts of rape of a child and indecent assault and battery on a person 14 or over years old. And he's an adult.

And he's 17. Yeah. So I believe it's 16 in Massachusetts is the age of consent, which she was not. It's the age of consent, which she was not. Another guy in this, another boy who was I believe he was 15 also was also arrested and they ended up dropping charges on him for some reason. But I guess I don't know. I guess he wasn't the ringleader. It's still you charge everybody who's participating. What the fuck are we doing?

Anything inside her or fucking participate? Didn't say anything. Didn't charge that boy, too. the fuck are we doing anything inside her or fucking participant didn't say anything didn't stop it charge that boy too well what the what the district attorney says here a guy named peter leary he says quote what tibbets was alleged to have done was drastically different from his co-defendant so apparently they were saying he was the uh and he's kind of the alpha of the group he's a real aggressive one he's big he's whatever yeah we already know that we already know that yeah uh apparently though uh uh fuck man this this is just he's charged like we said with these raped with these rapes she was how do we put this we'll just we'll put this very she was alleged to have

been raped quote three different ways by the court so all of the ways uh billy ends up be uh pleading guilty uh to one count uh here and the judge will find out what he does in a second it's one count of rape which he says was oral sex and he still says that's all he did it was the way he tries to play this is hey i was 17 she's 15 where we go to you know we're in the same age group. We hung out and we just had consensual sex. And they're saying, you know, that's fucked up. No, it's not. But that's what they're saying, which I think when I was 17, my girlfriend was 15, but it was a year and a half age difference.

If I was early 17, she was late 15. I think I was a junior. She was a sophomore. We were in the same classes. Sexy sexy it's totally normal and fine with that but i didn't rate i didn't like wait till she passed out drag her behind a warehouse and rape her with two of my friends that's the difference there i feel like it's just a different thing we were actually just kids who liked each other whereas this is a different story this is a girl that didn't know him she got drunk and around him even if she did.

Yeah. She wasn't in any place to consent to anything. It doesn't make it okay at all. No. His story still doesn't make it. I'm not saying it's okay to have sex with 15 year olds. But if you're like in the same class as them and you're 17 and they're 15 and you're like a year and a half difference, it happens.

You put animals together. They fucking. That's how you get them to fuck. I mean, it's not hard. You got to get around each other. You just put them in the same cage.'s how it works so uh but this is a different thing is what i'm getting at that's not what happened but that's what i'm in the same case it's true that's they will fuck even if you put two men in the same cage they fuck eventually

so it's like you know it happens so uh his attorney uh i mean shit, that's how animals are. We're all animals. His attorney, Dennis Ryan, said that Billy made the plea because it put him out on the street and he didn't want to do a trial and then be convicted of forcible sex of a child, which probably carries a good sentence. Also, they said that he would have had to register now as a sex offender if he would have gone in through with the whole thing and you know the charges would have played out this way and what he pled to he doesn't have to do that either he said they would have he said they would have probably won a jury trial is what they were trying to say the defense but you know they were like we figured we'd just plea which means you don't think you would have won a jury trial. No, there's no way you're winning. Yeah, no. Not at all.

No. March 31st, 94. We probably would have won, but we don't want to waste anybody's time. You know what? We figured the great state of Massachusetts has other things to do with the tax dollars than... They deserve better. They deserve better. We figured we'll just take one on the chin here and just, you know, so what if he has

a statutory rape on his record? Nobody cares about that. Sometimes you take the L, take it you take it for the team it's for the team build for the future team massachusetts baby we're gonna pick a running back next year we're gonna get better yeah no shit that's awesome disgusting this uh judge here judge mathers and we'll talk to him later on and see how he feels about his sentencing later on, because we actually have a quote from a judge who says to post everything, post his, you know, things

going off the rails. They go back to him. Yeah. Can I think to say about what do you think about that? You had a chance to fix. He accepts a guilty plea and gives Tibbetts now at this point, he's 19 years old. A what will say you, sir, may fuck off. Three and a half year suspended sentence.

Oh, boy. And a four year probation. And a stern talking to. And a stern, you don't fuck another girl against her will, sir. Yeah, you stop that. He said, quote, what you did to this young woman was brutal. And then sentenced him to nothing. What you did was terrible. you brutalized a young woman i

want you to go home and think about it have a great day sir you put that white hat on and drive around in your jeep and think about it god damn it because this is ridiculous what the fuck kind of this is ridiculous this is fucking silly so and then like i said he uh he sentences him to nothing uh so this whole time he's playing hockey he He plays 92-93 for the junior Bruins. He played in 73 games and had 60 goals and 80 assists. In all these junior leagues, he just rips it up. He's a really great player. He's a scorer.

He can do everything. Also has 150 penalty minutes. And he constantly gets in fights because he can't stop. Really get to the hole. Most of these guys, he Really get to the hole. Most of these guys. Sorry. He takes it to the hole. If it was a basketball player, it would be better, but still, I'll take it.

Take it to the net? I don't know. There you go. It doesn't sound the same. He gets in there. He gets past the goalie. Take it to the rack? That's not going to work either.

Who knows? He does terrible things to the goal. He does awful things to anywhere that something can be inserted or deposited. Let's just say that. 150 penalty minutes, which usually these scorers know not to fight because they have to be on the ice to score. But this guy can't stop fucking fighting even though they need him not to fight. You can't be the scorer and the enforcer at the same time. You can't enforce people.

The whole point of being an enforcer is to enforce people to not fuck with your score. If you're the scorer, how do you do that? It just doesn't work. He forcibly gets what he wants. He really does. This is the thing, Jimmy, with athletics and in life. He doesn't take no for an answer. And that's what's important.

That's what's important. He will never take no for an answer. So with that kind of attitude he'll get it he's gonna go far and end up in places where me and you wouldn't end up never no like the nhl in prison right so both of those okay 93 94 he plays for the sioux city musketeers uh only seven games who cares uh doesn't matter. Plays for the London Knights like we talked about. Has 49 penalty minutes and 14 games there, which seems like a lot. 39 and nine games for the Tri-City Americans.

And also he plays for some other poor shit team and plays 30 games there. And it doesn't matter because he continues to be a fucking idiot. His noodnickery knows no bounds. his noodnickery knows no bounds now if i was this kid at that whole point i would be walking the straight and narrow yeah with uh just i would be the most straight laced kid in the fucking world instead he gets uh arrested and charged with jesus christ with shoplifting oh boy a two dollar and 99 cent meatball sandwich from a Tedeschi grocery store. The case was dismissed two months later upon payment of a $50 fine. But he's on probation.

But why? Four-year probation, and he fucks up, and they don't do anything about it. Why? Why would he do that in that situation? His parents will buy him all the meatballs he wants, I have a feeling. Somehow he gets kegs of beer. This kid could be swimming in meatballs. And he can't get a meatball sandwich?

His life is nothing but gifts and meat, jeeps and meatballs. That's his whole life. Jeeps and meatballs and all that is fucking wonderful. That white hat has so many meatball smears. So many meatball stains and the blood of young women and everything else on it. This fucking asshole. Piece of shit. I hate him so much already.

Just from the. What a gifted life. Jeep meatballs and forcible sex, I believe, is the title of this this episode. By the way, I don't see how it wouldn't be. Jeep meatballs. Jeep meatballs. It's going to be. Yeah.

So March 1994. Like we said, he gets the probation after all that uh 625 fine also uh this is they wrap up some other shit on here uh like i said that this is the assault on the police officer they wrap all that up he has 18 months probation on that 625 fine done deal done deal out of prison so now he's raped a girl and both assaulted a police officer and his brother and threatened a police officer's family. And the family. Never has gone to jail for this.

He's fine, which is mind-bogglingly insane. That's mind-boggling, man. And it's not just the white privilege, because you or I, that's what it is. It's rich privilege. It's the upper crust. It is absolutely a green privilege. That's what it's rich it's the upper crust it is absolutely a green privilege this is going this is going to court with an attorney that you paid for gross yeah this is going to court with an attorney that has has been paying attention to your file and knows what's going on right and is it yeah this is the the epitome of affluency that's what it is it

absolutely is gross he's a fucking douche and uh affluent fucking texas that rolled his truck and killed somebody yeah that has nothing on this no no this guy at least he didn't uh when he set out he didn't be he wasn't like i'm gonna roll my truck and kill a motherfucker this guy was like to girl on purpose i'm gonna carry her it wasn't like they were making it wasn't like animal house which still this is wrong don't fucking do this but it wasn't like animal house where they were fucking making out. And then halfway through it, she fell asleep right when she was taking his pants off. She fell asleep.

Even he didn't do it. He was like, no, I can't. But like, it wasn't even like that. This was I'm going to carry her around over my shoulder. Yeah, nuts. That is both of those things are equally bad. But this is like character wise. This says, this says a lot less about his character. Or a lot more, however you want to look at it.

Way worse. So, 95-96, he's playing for the Johnstown Chiefs. He played in 58 games, did well at 37 goals, 31 assists. 300 penalty minutes in 58 games. That's a lot. He's playing there. 300? 300 penalty minutes. That's a lot. He's playing there. 300? 300 penalty minutes.

Six minutes a game. While he's playing there, you know what he does? No. This fucking idiot, he goes to another party. He goes to a party. Guess where he was? At home. He went home.

He's like, I'm going to go out to a party because that always works out. When I'm home, I go out to parties and nothing bad happens. That's how my life works. Everything's fine. I never end up in jail or arrested happens. That's how my life works. Everything's fine. I never end up in jail or arrested or in court or with a terrible reputation. Or the worst charge. Yeah.

I mean, arguably the worst charge. Well, yeah. That doesn't get much, especially the way that we're- Raping a minor. Forcible sex on a child is like, that sounds- That's the worst. Awful. There's nothing worse. Yeah.

First degree murder sounds fine compared to that. First degree murder, at least as an adult, you go, well, we don't know what happened between those two. Tell me the story. Awful. There's nothing worse. First degree murder sounds fine compared to that. First degree murder, at least as an adult, you go, well, we don't know what happened between those two. Tell me the story. Yeah, I don't know what happened to him. There's no story that makes forcible sex on a child. There's never an excuse. That's what they always say in the Homicide David Simon book. He always says the police there, the homicide investigators, when they're interrogating someone, what they want to do is give them an out.

You want to give them a window they like to say it's like there's you put a window up in the corner top corner of the room it's hard to get to but you can get to that window you can crawl out there's an escape for you and what they do is if you killed somebody they try to say he came at you didn't he right i get it man i get that window even if you beat your child to death right they know how to play that they're like look, look, man, I hit my kid. I get it. I mean, spanked a kid before. Kids fuck up and you get, I mean, I've gotten angry.

I totally understand it. And it happens. You didn't mean to do it. You're a good dad. You love your kid, right? Yeah, I know. I didn't mean to do. That's what they do.

But there's an out for that. They always say there's no out. Zero. For a pedophile. None. In the homicide book, there's a case going the whole time of a guy who killed an 11-year-old girl after having sexual whatever and left her in an alley and the whole time they're killing themselves trying to fucking find this guy because this is like one case where

they're not just like if they find a drug dealer on the street i mean they look and try to solve it but they're not like we need to avenge his death this poor but this they're actually like this fucking little girl is bullshit we need to fucking find this guy and even they said, the drug dealers on the corner were like talking to them and giving them tips if they could and be like, hey, catch that motherfucker. I hope you string him up. Here's five. Here's five. Yeah.

Hey, what you need? Blue tops. Blue tops. Two for five. So he's got this whole thing. It's the same type of thing. But they say the one suspect, there's not an out and they could never get the guy to crack and the case is still unsolved.

They could never get the still unsolved 30 years later. They could never get the guy to crack because there's no out to give him. You can't. There's no way. They'll even try to say, well, yeah, you know, she liked you, didn't she? She was coming on to you and stuff like that. But that's not even enough. So hard to do.

To say, yeah, I raped her and killed her. Like, that's. How do you relate to that guy? Listen, I've seen a five year old before. Sometimes. Yeah-old before sometimes yeah it's fucking nuts all bulbous and shit yeah exactly there's no there's no it's not good at all it's fucking disgusting isn't it terrible yeah that's that's that's why people don't generally there's no out so there's no out so this is a different case this one he shoots an alleged drug dealer with a bb gun uh in the back a pellet gun shoots him in the back with a pellet gun wounding him uh and then when the guy went to call the police uh that's when billy said i'll

fucking kill you if you call the police so another thing you can't do there uh police arrive they arrest billy uh he's put on trial that, he faces a bunch of charges. This is, there's different stories here. They say this is just some argument he got into. He went to a party, got in an argument with someone, shot him with a BB gun in the back. Okay. First of all, in the back.

That's a big deal. You can't shoot somebody in the back at all. No, not at all. You shouldn't really. But he says. I mean, even when you're getting robbed, if you pull a gun and they run, you can't shoot them in the back. That's it. You've lost your time. If they're leaving, it's over. when you're getting robbed, if you pull a gun and they run, you can't shoot.

You've lost your time. It's over. Unless you feel actively trying to come into you. You can't shoot people in the back. Yeah, that's just the way it goes. Once in a while, they even get cops for that. If they shoot him in the back, that's the time. That's the one where everyone's like, OK, well, he did shoot him in the back.

I don't care what he was. He did shoot him in the back. I don't know how he would have been threatened. That's even where everyone draws the line on that. But this is a different story. This is like he says that everyone at the party says just a fight that happened. He says, Billy says that this guy was stalking his girlfriend and he was just trying to. He was a drug dealer who was stalking his girlfriend.

Very dangerous individual. And Billy had to step in and tell this guy that you don't stalk my girlfriend. It's a tough thing to pull. I'll shoot you in the back, especially when no one else backed that story up except for him. So he's put on trial. He is charged. He's charged with a lot of things, including assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, a bunch of shit like that.

Now, he's on probation for child rape at this point, which is not great. Not great. Not great at all, I would say. Understatement of this episode. This is a parole violation from that. The court said he met the girl. He also had met the girl that he raped at parties subsequently and refused to leave the party because she was there

even though he's not supposed to go fucking near her and obviously i feel like if you're convicted of rape and you go somewhere and she's there you should probably leave for sure i think that's on you to leave but if you got away with it you probably are entitled that's how entitled this motherfucker is he's like fuck her i don't need to leave i don't need to leave fuck her like that i raped her and i'm not in jail no empathy whatsoever for that's the thing you're gonna get with him a lot is no empathy it's a it's a me me me i got fucked over what an asshole where do you hear how he describes it later he describes this as just like man what an inconvenience i went through it was tough on me like that's all he ever says never says a word about i feel bad for that girl that i raped i've never wanted to

fight somebody six two more in my life this guy oh it gets he's such a jerk this fucking guy he's just a jerk that's the problem uh so uh anyway he he faces the parole violation for not only that but for the the meeting the girl at parties and not going anywhere he's found guilty and convicted of charges uh on charges of assault and battery with a deadly weapon, disorderly conduct and witness intimidation. This paired with the parole violation. They said that now now you're going to end up going to prison here. You're going to go to jail. Also found guilty of violating the probation from a statutory rape.

And like we said, failing to leave social gatherings where the victim was present. All of this. Now, this guy, too, the BB that he just says, hey, fuck this guy. He was intimidating my girlfriend. This guy has to have he goes to court when he goes to court to testify. He had to have surgery to repair his shoulder. And the BB ended up in his intestine. Wow.

So then it's lodged in there. High powered fucking pellet gun. It's lodged in there. He had intestinal surgery. He was in the hospital for six days and they finally ended up arresting him after all of that. It's fucking nuts. And before this whole thing went to trial, he gets his probation transferred to Pennsylvania with permission to leave Massachusetts to play for that hockey team in Pennsylvania, the Johnstown Chiefs. So, I mean, they just keep giving him all these chances. He just keeps doing it. The guy testified against him at court, obviously, said that the BB still lodged in him,

and the doctors decided against trying to remove it after having exploratory surgery. In court, his attorney, Tibbett's attorney, called the shooting by his client, quote, a stupid act with no malice or thought. Well, you should have thought before you fire weapons at people here. Be nice. That's not bad here.

So this is amazing, too. The paper labeled him a menace in the editorial section, which is fucking hilarious. They say, quote, he's a menace who got free passes from the criminal justice system. The first people to get it right. Yeah, they got it right here. He is now sentenced to two and a half years in prison. Oh, boy. So that's you, sir.

Yeah. Fuck off, mister. At 18, this is where he's at? 19. Yeah. He's sentenced to two and a half years in prison at age 20 at this point here. His probation was revoked on the rape case, like we said. Wow. So now he's in deep shit.

Now he ends up, he's waiting to go to prison later on. He ends up going to prison in 96 because there's all, I think he has appeals of the sentence and all that type of shit too because he's found, there's a trial here.

He doesn't plea. Because God forbid we put somebody away and not have it completely right. Yeah, well he, well let's get it right, but then let's put him away. That's the thing. Let's put this fucking ass all away here. Now, he has a coach here.

Let's talk about this guy. Fotiu? I don't know. F-O-T-I-U. Fotiu is his name. He was a player, and he was a former left winger for the uh harford whalers also this guy took to billy and liked billy and was in 95 in between sentencing and going to prison uh he ends up finding him uh when he's playing for the johnstown chiefs there and he thought he was just like him when he was a kid a hard-headed kid and all that kind of thing

so he this silver-haired middle-aged son of a bitch is going to take him on this motherfucker silver to the end uh he says sterling sterling he says quote he was high strung like a wild race horse which is fucking funny i was really hard on him because i saw all the potential he had but he had a lot of growing up to do and needed some discipline i told him to play every shift like it was his last and to be a man off the ice uh he said he once put a beer bottle in front of billy and said quote do you want this or a hockey career i told him you're not going to get many more chances so you better take advantage of this uh he ends up well he played for johnstown like that was the 300 penalty minutes so that's apparently what he got now uh mathers the judge who sentenced him to the

suspended sentence on the rape case they now talk to him that was like one of his last decisions and then he retired from the bench yeah so they're like hey how you doing you're nice uh bring out a nice little home i like that polo shirt very nice you're looking comfortable you're sitting in your study you got books on the shelf like we've got a nice boat out there that's a nice one you got some scotch in your hand and an evening drink here. They said, what do you think of this guy? Remember him? This is awesome, though.

He's actually honest about it, but it's just like, I don't know, whatever. He says, quote, I got some criticism for going easy on him because I thought he might have potential to be rehabilitated. I do remember hearing something about him going sour again. It sounds like I was wrong. I lost another one yeah whoops sorry fucked up on that one his name was tibbets yeah you know the fucking rich kid with the not jackson or some shit like that the kid with the expensive lawyer not the public defender remember that one kid wasn't named washington with a fucking public defender in a fucking tweed suit nope from fucking somewhere in boston no he was from by the by

the yacht club where his attorney had a membership undoubtedly and everything was fine uh so july 12 1996 he starts serving his prison sentence he serves 40 months in prison altogether which is a it's a good amount of time. That's damn near 40 years. Yeah, because they added on other shit. They revoked his probation from that. So it all gets clumped together here. He's at the Massachusetts Correctional Institute

in Norfolk. He doesn't get to play hockey. He gets a broomstick and a basketball and knocks that around. Pretends that's hockey, which I don't think that keeps you sharp. No. No. That's a's hockey, which I don't think that keeps you sharp. No. No.

That's a bad slap shot. I would say. The Nick Fotu. Fotu? Fotu? I got to figure out what to call him. Fotu? Yeah.

Fotu. Nick Fotu. I know it's pronounced wrong. I get it. I'm sorry. The guy's a big deal. We understand. We get it.

He was the Kentucky Thoroughbreds, or Thoroughblades. I'm sorry. The Kentucky Thoroughblades. No way. They did. They punned their name up. They threw a pun on them. Boom, pun that name up.

They're like, no one cares about hockey in fucking Kentucky. How do we get them to care? Make them think it's horses. Fuck it. Put it in there. Confuse the shit out of them. What should we pretend it is? College basketball or horses?

Which one? They're like, we'll go with horses. We pretended something was- People wear big, stupid hats to the game. You fucking know man you know it's just thoroughbred ridiculous dresses you uh so yeah he's doing that now how insulting to the intelligence of the kentucky people let's put it this way well i think they've been insulted plenty but do you think that uh how many people are showing up at the kentuckyoughblades games in fucking Kentucky? A hockey, what is there, 14 people there?

They sold tickets for money? I bet you could bring like a turnip if it was like a good one and they just let you in. It was like you could bring in like, it was a barter system to get into these games. You could just bring in some oats, a handful of oats. I had a surplus of carrots. Yeah, so I'm'm here an extra bunch like this will do and they let you in okay i don't get it man it's super weird uh this guy this coach said quote he played the game in his head imagining he was on the ice uh he also said that uh he's

been like a second father to him this is too silver his parents were silver one and silver two yeah this guy is silver age middle or silver silver middle-aged white man fucking extraordinaire. For sure. Right here. Played in his head. I did that when I was eight, too. Yeah. I was great at basketball in my head.

Oh, fuck. You could see yourself reverse dunking, right? He's like, I'm going to cross him over. I'm going to go around the big guy and then reverse dunk because he's going to be thinking I'm going the other way. Wait until I duck this ball between my legs. Watch this. And then's gone. And that was never mind. I forgot. I'm four. That was a mistake. Shit. Sorry. So he said that this kid never gave up and he never allowed his dream to die. He does not take no for an answer. Jimmy, he does not. He does say that he is he's

frustrated and he said that he would never allow his dream to die and they keep saying how he just always perseveres and he keeps plugging through and i can't help thinking like a rapist you know like you can tell him no a hundred times and eventually he's gonna do what he wants to anyway he's gonna follow his dreams what a piece of shit that's following your dreams might be the worst way to put rape into terms. So that's terrible. He apparently was following his dreams. So he said that Tibbetts says, Jesus Christ, let's do it in their own words.

What the hell do you say here? Why don't you do it in their own words and find out what this asshole has to say about this whole thing? He says in their own words, quote, when I was locked up, I dribble my hockey ball and I pretend I was Barry Peterson, Ken Lindsman, Rick Middleton, Ray Bork. It hurt watching guys I played against and with in summer leagues play for the Bruins. It hit me

pretty hard that it could be me out there. I spent the first 16 or 17 years of my life thinking about playing for the Bruins. Poor guy. Yeah. Yeah. Poor bastard. I feel so bad. Don't you feel for him? I mean, I'm getting choked up. I'm going to have to stop, Jimmy.

Here's my notes you've got to take over because I've never felt for someone so badly. Soaps and dreams, James. He had to use a basketball. And he had to dribble his hockey ball. He had to shoot the kid with a BB gun. He couldn't even just kill him and bury him. He didn't even have a real gun to shoot him with.

So depressing. So depressing. He just felt so bad about himself. He just, oh, God, the poor guy. Isn't it sad? Dribbled my hockey ball. That's the most. Fucking asshole.

That's the most. Shut up. Sad fucking statement. Pathetic. Dribble. You can't dribble a hockey puck, ball you fuck i dribbled my hockey ball that's what he said pretend i was guys i used to play again pretend that guys who wouldn't give me the time of day because i raped a 15 year old jesus christ uh i feel sorry for you sir he

gets his ged in prison congratulations billy good for you your brother's at bu no shit his sister went to graduate from fucking columbia for christ's sake and then got on the ground floor of a giant corporation she's starting fucking was it amazon it was amazon she was starting that right now yeah fucking moron he goes off to jail uh he uh he said that uh he said that he first acted like he did uh not always cooperative when he first got to jail he said he wouldn't back off from a challenge in jail. He had to show he was tough. He said, quote, there were some guys there who I just as soon have, you know, put them in the corner and dump the puck in on him.

He just wants to go fight him in the corner. He said that he worked out and bulked up 40 pounds in prison. That's where he ended up getting to be 215 and getting to be a big, dangerous son of a bitch. Now, now he's not only aggressive and everything else. Now he's fucking dangerous, you know, like a criminal, you know, like a rapist. That's scary to people. He became parole eligible September 18th, 1998. Yeah. Parole board, though, ruled that he was not repentant enough, which I love. Yeah. Fuck you. I'm sure he had his lawyer and everything else and didn't fucking help. I love it.

They were like, nope, still an asshole. Go back. You're going to need to marinate a little more. This one's not quite, the flavor's not quite into the, we haven't broken down the fat yet. Sorry. You don't smell like a law-abiding citizen yet, sir. Nope, I don't think so. They said that the board said that he, quote, accepted limited responsibility and blamed others for his actions.

I love that. That's fucking perfect for this asshole. After that, Billy said he knew he had to change even more. It wasn't good enough. It's also during this prison that his parents said that prison time, his parents said they sensed a change in him. Really? Everything's different now. They said he seemed more mature, more serious, and appeared to have more purpose in his life, his mom said.

I talked to Billy from jail and he's doing great. That's a bad sign. That's a bad sign. The part of that sentence at the very beginning is the part where you go, maybe he's not doing so great. I talked to Billy from prison, mom. Yeah. From jail for doing, not even for one fuck up, for fucking up on top of his other five

fuck ups that he had third chances for, up on top of his other five fuck up so he had third chances for which the act of doing that right away contradicts maturity it's over fuck him his mom actually said quote i actually actually i could see a change during that year in johnstown you could see he was growing up but during those years in jail he was maturing more so that's great his parents visited him in jail all the time they talked about mainly hockey they were skeptical that he could resume his hockey career because he hasn't been able to Great. His parents visited him in jail all the time. They talked about mainly hockey. They were skeptical that he could resume his hockey career because he hasn't been able to ice skate or play at all. He's dribbling a hockey puck.

He's like, I got my hockey ball. It's fine. But they said they became believers. His mother said, quote, all he talked about was how much bigger he was getting and how he was working out. I really think hockey helped him get through it. So I'm surprised. So as a mother, no, I don't think that. I think he's committed and that driven and that talented. He doesn't take no for an answer.

The word driven just means I see him trying to rape somebody. I want somebody to believe in me like she believes in him. Oh, my God. That'd be amazing. Jesus Christ. Maybe you'd be in prison. Jesus. She said, quote, I never knew as a parent about his self-esteem, whether he had good self-esteem or not. believes in him oh my god that'd be amazing jesus christ maybe he'd be in prison jesus he said she

said quote i never knew as a parent about his self-esteem whether he had good self-esteem or not but now i believe that he does because he had to really believe in himself to make this happen to make what happen to make fucking jail happen to make child rape and shooting an idiot with a bb gun he really had to believe himself to to get get his pants off of that 15 year old to everybody. Crime and sports listeners. Everybody believe in yourself. And you too can rape any 15 year old out there. Just believe in yourself enough and you can make it happen.

Jesus Christ. She then says, quote, we dealt for so long with lawyers and courts and cops. We were waiting for the other shoe to drop. So we're really just enjoying this. This is going to be fun for us. She doesn't get to make any analogies with clothing. He's talking about it's going to be great. He's going to come out and he's going to play hockey.

And he's mature and we just feel so much. But he's already fine in her mind. Just everything's great. He's done it all. He reformed. Everything's good. Not, hey, live 20 years without being arrested again. Now try that one. October 29th, 1999,

he's finally released from jail. He gets out. He gets out. He calls Foe 2 right away. Calls Silver-Haired No. 1 here. This guy tells him that he could come skate with the Thoroughblades when they visited New England. Come get on with the Thoroughblades. This guy says, quote,

the only time you can help someone who's in jail is when they come out then you can help them more than ever uh no you can call them in prison and tell them fucking repent fix your ways figure out how to be a good person absolutely figure out how to fucking not live what you are living this story by the way i have to say is the oddest uh had the oddest like media coverage of it of the whole thing because everybody's like um they don't know whether to cut when he starts playing hockey again they don't know whether to cover this as like a story of triumph of triumph and like reform or to cover it as a story of like why are they letting this rapist play hockey or like they're so they're like caught in between of they're like this person says that are they letting this rapist play hockey or like there? So they're like caught in between of their,

like this person says that they shouldn't be able to play hockey, but these people say it's fine. Like no one wants to have an opinion. They're just like, I don't know. This is weird. It's so weird. 99.

It seems like so long ago in terms of, of cultural evolution. It's not that fucking long ago, but in terms of cultural evolution, it's really changed. Eminem was calling people faggot and not blurring it. Not believing it. And everybody was like singing it in the mall. Yeah, nobody cared.

Yeah, kids were singing it in the mall. It was on the radio in Macy's. Yeah, it was fine. Nobody cared. And now this would be front page. Can you believe that this rapist is fucking playing? And the problem, too, is the hockey establishment. These guys are not exactly the most sensitive.

The hockey establishment, these are a bunch of, they're not progressive. It's a sport. It's a very insulated sport, too, because it's not like it doesn't have the visibility of the NFL. If somebody fucking kneels down in the NFL, the president tweets about it, companies have big things. It's a huge deal. If somebody kneeled in hockey, no one would ever notice because no one's there and nobody gives a shit.

And they'll be like, well, he got a goal in the third period so he can kneel all he wants. They don't care. Also because Canada would see it and they'd be like, why are you kneeling for this anthem? Yeah, we don't understand it. Don't kneel for the Canadian anthem and you're fine. So, but I mean, this is so weird. They don't know how to fucking handle it.

He's released from prison. He has to wear, according to his parole officer, a monitoring bracelet. So now he's got to wear an anklet to, you know, to play, to be tracked here. He tells his parole officer that he planned to resume his hockey career, but the parole officer said he couldn't skate because the skates wouldn't fit over the bracelet. He says his mother said, quote, I burst into tears. Jesus, I really thought they were going to take this the most important thing away from him.

Are you? Jesus Christ. I want to shake him away from him. I want to shake her. He raped a girl, too. Don't you think of that? Like, anyway, to shake her. They took his freedom away from him, Mom. I want to shake her. He raped a girl, too. Don't you think of that? Right. Anyway.

He took her innocence. Yeah. How about you try to give that back? He just put a wristband over the bracelet and slid the skates over the band is what he did. So it was uncomfortable, but he did it. The parole officer ended up saying, fine, he could do that. And he ended up being on the ice playing.

He and his parents bought hockey equipment on the way home from prison. Quote, the article says, quote, he and his parents bought hockey equipment on the way home from prison. In other words, quote, his parents bought him hockey equipment. Come on. Now that you're out of jail for a stupid assault, threatening a police officer and raping a child, we need to buy you a bunch of shit. Let's stop off.

Let's stop by the Bauer store real quick. Fuck me. Jesus goddamn Christ. And then what does Terry say? Quote, he was just... God damn it, these quotes sound so bad now. He was just so determined, nothing was going to stop him from playing. Why is that?

What the fuck, mom? Because he does not take no for an answer. Ever. Ever! He will not take no for an answer. He will not be denied. He will not be denied. Ever.

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And then he goes to NHL scouts to try to get a tryout. That's the way he's going about this thing. Four teams contact him. There are four NHL teams that are willing to take a chanceout. That's the way he's going about this thing. Four teams contact him. There are four NHL teams that are willing to take a chance on this guy or at least take a look at him. Pittsburgh, the Penguins, are the first ones to contact him, which is amazing. They actually said afterwards when they actually get him,

they're like, yeah, other teams are calling us saying, oh, you beat us to the punch. So actually people wanted him for some odd reason. It's so weird. You beat us to the punch so like this he actually people wanted him for some odd reason uh it's so weird beat us to the rape that's beat beat us to the right you penetrated that really solid you did not take no for an answer the scout neil shea remember him from before who saw him when he was nine right he now works for works for Pittsburgh. Really? And he endorses Billy Tibbetts, along with also an assistant coach named Joe Mullen, who was Tibbetts' teammate in a league the previous summer, and also a 1980 U.S. Olympian and an NHL player named Dave Silk, who is a friend of the Tibbetts family. See, this shit doesn't happen if you're just some dude.

No. And you don't hear about a lot of like, you know uh you just you don't hear this a lot in other other sports or really from people who aren't excessively wealthy lots of rape co-signers here lots of rape co-signers lots of silver-haired middle-aged rape uh enthusiasts we'll say uh so april 10th 2000 uh Billy ends up, he's signed by Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Penguins here. The general manager, Craig Patrick, signs him to a one-year contract that pays him $60,000 in the minors or $400,000 in the NHL. If he makes it. And then if he goes up and down in pro rates to whatever the game rates are.

He says, the general manager, quote, I wrestled a lot in making the decision to sign tibbets he messed up as a young man and nobody condones what he did it wasn't something any of us would be proud of by any stretch of the imagination but we have a rehabilitation system in place and he deserved a chance to live his dream he served his time let's see if the system works if the system doesn't work he'll be back where he was and we'll have and we'll have a miserable life but if it has worked, then good for him. So let's just give him a chance. We're going to hire a rapist and see if he's still raping.

Maybe he's not raping anymore. And you don't get to use words like, I wrestled. Like, I really struggled. I struggled with it. It was tough for me. That's what I'm saying. I tried to fight it off. You know, I tried.

It was weird. It was like I couldn't move because i was like it was almost like i was had drugs or alcohol in me and i was overtook my system and i just felt it was really hard to submit it was weird it was like the whole thing just penetrated my psyche you know what i mean it just penetrated and got in there real deep what the fuck uh why would he say that he's an asshole obviously that's why he's a silver-haired middle-aged way do you hear there's worse how does he not realize what the accusations are he said that he did accusations the conviction conviction they got letters and

emails also from fans protesting the the signing obviously he says general manager says quote there's always going to be a concern uh but we fully expect based on the time we've been around him that he's reformed turn the corner in his life when he's ready to rejoin our society uh he says i mean this you know he says uh of course this is his whole thing uh quote losing my freedom was the worst part of prison was it as opposed to the food dipshit what are you talking about uh but if i didn't get locked up this is billy talking obviously but if i didn't get locked up maybe i wouldn't have the work ethic and focus i have now i learned about discipline and what's important to me family loyalty to those who believed in me so many things now that even a movie or a book couldn't tell it all i'm not proud of what i did there hasn't been a day a day in the past nine years when I haven't thought about it.

I did my time. I'm not the only person in the world that's on parole. I just happen to be the only one in the NHL, which is a big deal. There's not a lot of parolees in professional sports, as we cover often. Usually they have to wait until they're all done with that, and then they can get signed again. He's out there skating with an ankle bracelet on. Oh, he's fine. He's like, it's cool.

Shit. Some editorials here are pretty good here. There's an editorial here. This guy's pissed, this one guy. And he says, he's talking about the girl. I wonder what this girl's doing with her life. Hopefully she's having a good time, as good as him. He says, quote, whatever she's doing,

I'm guessing it doesn't involve a contract that pays about $140,000 for a 29-game season. That's the deal Tibbetts has with the Penguins. Not bad for a guy on parole who has to register with police as a sex offender. That might be the most lucrative parole contract ever. Yeah, that's not bad. That's good work release there. Here's what team owner Mario Lemieux had to say.

Now, Mario Lemieux, who's the star player Hall of Famer, ended up being so good and had so much Hotchkins that they gave him part of the team. That's what works. If you get enough Hotchkins, they give you part of the team you join. I don't know. It's weird. So much Hotchkins. It's strange. It was in the hockey bylaws, and the team didn't know about it.

His attorney said he has the requisite level of Hodgkins to own 10% of this team. And they were like, fuck, sign him over. We have to. It might be the same with CTE and the NFL. I think it is. John Elway's got a shitload of the Broncos. Oh, yeah. He's got a bunch of the Broncos, definitely.

And judging by the way he picks and fucking shuffles in and out quarterbacks, he has a lot of brain damage. He's gambling real heavy on people named Trevor. When was the last time a fucking quarterback named Trevorvor was successful i have no faith in a man named trevor a quarterback you have to be you need like a cool you need to be joe montana if you're gonna be a quarterback i'm sorry he is a single syllable first name yeah it's very rare that yeah multiple cool shit maybe cam newton that's a cool fucking name you know what i mean like you're gonna win yeah i get eli manning's not a good name and neither is peyton manning but you know what if your dad's an nfl quarterback none of that shit matters plus they're hillbillies so what do you

want anyway you can tell by their foreheads oh you can see it in their eyes too mario lemieux who's a legend and now the an owner of theuins, and a decent one, too. He doesn't have like 2%. He's like the face of the organization. He said, quote, I think it's a great story. That kid faced so much adversity, did his time, came back after three and a half years to find himself in the NHL as a great accomplishment. Okay, unpack. Hold on.

Back up. That kid faced so much adversity. You know, a 15-year-old. She struggled. He faced no adversity. No. That's what I was going to say. Growing up, he didn't have to struggle at all.

His parents were rich kids. They did everything for him. They put him in private schools. Even his rape was the least adversity ever. When he failed out of private schools. He raped a girl, which, which like i said of his whole life that might have been the hardest thing he had to do if she fought him back and she was drunk she couldn't fight a girl yeah he he rapes a girl then does a bunch of other stupid shit that was

not instigated or anything else by any that was all decisions no one forced you to fucking steal a meatball sandwich wasn't like he didn't eat for three days because his fucking mother's a crackhead and his dad ran away when they were two and they have no money he's a rich kid fuck this guy adversity none the word adversity should never be mentioned in the same sentence with billy tibbets the least of oh my god jesus the only person giving billy tibbets adversity is billy tibbets's the one bringing it upon himself. Fuck. And even that, it's more about other people. He raped someone.

He shot someone. He didn't do anything to himself. Threatened a cop. Yeah. He didn't get busted because he was doing a bunch of crack and fucking his body up. He was shooting up heroin somewhere. He just brought legal charges against himself. Yeah.

He wasn't like Alonzo Spellman who had a fucking mental problem and held up know held up in his house but he wasn't bothering anybody they were just worried about him like it wasn't anything like that he's going out and fighting fucking finding trouble ridiculous so april 10th 2000s is official signing with uh pittsburgh as a free agent did somebody tell mario lemieux the wrong story i don't know if he i don't know how many times he's been hit in the head let's put it that way i don't know how many times he's been hit in the head. Let's put it that way. I don't know how many times he's been hit in the head. He doesn't know what happened. No, I don't think he does. He scores a lot in their minor league system.

38 goals and 14 goals, 24 assists in his 2000-2001 playing for the Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins, or Pens, and then the Pens where he should be. And then he had 13 goals goals 17 assists the next year that is pretty awesome that's good stuff criminal playing for the pens on the pen to the pens that's awesome uh he's 185 penalty minutes in 38 games in the first season and 193 penalty minutes in 24 games in the second season which is pretty fucking impressive that's a lot of fucking penalty minutes here. Called up to Pittsburgh briefly also. Plays in 29 games, like we said, makes 140 grand there. Now, February of 2001, he has to go to court in Massachusetts

and see the parole board because they are concerned because he attacked Atlanta Thrashers forward Darcy Hordachuk during a January 27th game. During the game. He physically attacked him, but they were trying to figure out if that violates his parole, because it's assault, because he's on parole for multiple assaults with weapons and sex and his dick and everything else he can get his hands on. But they rule that this isn't a violation of his parole,

but they do say that future aggressive behavior could send him back to jail. But he never stops. He's suspended for like kneeing people and cheap shots and cross-checking a guy in the minors. He's a fucking animal and he can't stop being an animal.

This is a fascinating thought, though. At what point does a parolee, like in football, let's say a safety is a parolee and he's tackling people well you could tackle i guess because that's legal in the rules of the game but fighting wouldn't be if they got into a scrap after the whistle that's that could be construed as aggressive but it's on the field that could be considered also gamesmanship and part of the game which fighting yourself

and in hockey it can very easily be said that that's fighting as part of the game and that's what the team needs them to do and all that. But then they can say, well, you should get a guy who's not a rapist on parole. That would probably be my suggestion. They're allowed to fight. He's not. He says about this, Jesus Christ. He says if he could, if he could turn back the clock, Billy does, he would rewind time not to not rape that girl because you know she feels terrible about it quote the night

i got arrested when i was 17 i shouldn't have gone out that night what the hell not i should have made better decisions i should have respected another human being i should whatever the fuck right thing to say is i would rewind to time right before i carried a girl behind a brick that wouldn't have gone out that night he said i should have just stayed home and played all my video games and dicked with my Jeep. Put the new shocks on my Jeep that I got and my dad bought me. That new KC light. Jesus Christ.

June 2001 is when he's called up to Pittsburgh. And they talk about him being, at this point, they talk about the fact that he is a convicted sex offender and flyers are given out to his Pittsburgh neighbors. Really? With his face on it. Here's the new Penguin slash neighborhood sex offender introducing. No press conference necessary because the Pittsburgh Police Department is going to introduce him to everyone in town. Don't even need a press conference here.

They were only given to neighbors within a 250-foot radius of his home, but still, that's enough. It also has his picture, his address, photo, full name. It has all his shit on there. only given to neighbors within a 250 foot radius of his home but still that's enough uh it also it has his picture uh his address photo full name as all his shit on there uh it says that it just says on there that he's an out-of-state sex offender from massachusetts uh he says quote i guess i'll just do it the same way i have in other places i'm just going to mind my own business and live my life the best i know how and he's's not going to be affected by any of this. Some of his neighbors are a little uncomfortable. They handed out flyers to about 25 homes, I guess it was.

They also sent them to daycare centers, school districts, and the director of children and youth services in the area. They should. In case you see him creeping around a park somewhere. They said they had about 150 out of state of registered sex offenders in pennsylvania at the moment uh another uh the penguin spokesperson here a keith winner none of these people are women you notice that speak out for him uh they said that uh this is these actions will have no effect with his role on the team they said quote this is the third time he's moved and it's happened everywhere he goes it It wasn't a surprise. We knew it was coming and it doesn't change his role as a player on the Pittsburgh Penguins.

He's he's good now. Yeah, he's good now. Sex offender flyers. No problem. That's not embarrassing. I can't imagine this as a team. That's what you're sending out there. His his neighbors were reluctant to talk about the case, saying they wanted to, quote, respect his privacy because it's a rich neighborhood and they don't talk about their neighbors there except for one

neighbor ann mcguinn she said the process is unfair because residents do not have a clear idea of what crime tibbets committed she said quote i was surprised to get a notice on my front door it looks more like a wanted poster than a circulated than a concerned circular. We looked at it, thought a little about it. And then my teenage son says, quote, that could very that could that could have been a very consensual act between minors. We don't know because the flyer doesn't give any of the facts. Well, I know. And he raped a girl behind a warehouse when she was passed out. And it was no good.

And it was not OK. And you need to guide your son to stop being so forgiving. Yeah. They're giving you a notice that somebody is a criminal. Definitely not very consensual. and it was not okay and and you need to guide your son uh to stop being so uh forgiving yeah they're giving you a notice that somebody's a criminal definitely not very consensual that's true no that might have been consensual the statute because he pled guilty to statutory right but i'm never assuming shit no that i'm not going to assume it's the good one i'm not going to assume that it was just a you know two kids who were star-crossed lovers whose parents were mad because they didn't want to go out so they called the cops and i'm assuming there was a gun involved i'm assuming there was a

gun and drugs and beatings and i'm assuming the worst yeah i am assuming the fucking worst and that guy can stay the fuck away from my daughter yeah uh canada won't let him in really at this point when they go play like montreal and shit he's not allowed to go because canada won't they were trying to get him a temporary pass into Canada. And they were like, we're going to look into it for a while. He fucks kids. Yeah. I don't think kid fuckers are the first on the list.

I know for a fact that Mel Hall wasn't allowed into Canada either. And he used to sneak in. On the cover of Night. They used to go. The team would fly and do all that. He'd have to sneak in over the border to go fucking play the the expos because he was a piece of shit as we've covered in an earlier episode i think the episode title is the worst man alive it's possible he is possible it might have been any johnson actually i'm not sure they're both terrible people pretty bad dude

they're both awful awful definitely one of the worst that we've covered oh he's a piece of shit grooming a teenage girl oh my god no it's it's the worst uh so uh uh tibbets says quote it's not a situation where you go out campaigning and go around explaining your story i'm going to let people get to know me people will form their own conclusions it's human nature uh yeah it's human nature because we were afraid of our kids and when you have a statutory rape charge we go hey hey that seems extreme don't talk to her uh yeah now there's some stories from this time of we don't know if they're true but they're kind of well circulated well-worn stories that other players have confirmed but who the fuck

knows but let's say them anyway because they're true enough they're they've been said by more people than have disputed it i haven't seen anybody say that's not true so there's a lot of folklore about him he's got a lot of folklore about him. He's got a lot of folklore and stories here. Apparently, there's a thing on the bus where he's one of the first players on the bus, and he does it on purpose because he wanted to get a seat that he wanted. Now, there's some discrepancy here, whether it's in the front or the back of the bus. Some people are like, well, the veterans want to sit in the back of the bus,

and some people say that the veterans want to sit in the front of the bus. Some people are like, well, the veterans want to sit in the back of the bus, and some people say that the veterans want to sit in the front of the bus and whatever. So they're off. And in different sports, it's different. So I don't know how it is in hockey. But anyway, spots on the bus are a big deal. They are a big deal. Rod, my friend Rod Beck,

told me about one time he was, a couple times actually, but one time he was on a team and Dante Bichette was there. No, not Dante Bichette. Was it Dante? I think it and Dante Bichette was there. No, not Dante Bichette. I think it was Dante Bichette was on the team. And he was there, and there was a rookie pitcher, Casey Fossum, I believe it was. It was a little shit that used to pitch for the Diamondbacks and Red Sox.

This is when he played for the Red Sox, Rod. They get on the bus, and this guy was sitting there, and he had his big bag sitting there. And Dante Bichette said, hey, man, do you mind if I sit here? Because whatever the fuck, I don't want to sit back there, crap man. Would you mind if I move your bag? And he said, no, you can't move my bag. This kid was a rookie, and Dante Bichette was in the league for 10 years. And they were like, what are you talking about?

And I guess Dante Bichette was like, all right, whatever. He was just going to be cool about it. And some of the other players were like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Fuck that, dude. And I guess Rod, most of all, Rod walked up. He said, walked up, grabbed this motherfucker's bag, about it and some of the other players are like no no no no no fuck that dude and i guess rod most of all rod walked up he said walked up grabbed this motherfucker's bag walked to the front door threw it as far out of the bus as i could throw it he said i heard plastic and shit breaking just crash boom boom there it goes it fucking did about three things and he said get the fuck out

with your bag asshole and he made him ride with the trainers and all that shit he wasn't even allowed to ride on the bus. He had to walk out with his head held low. And that's how it works. That's how it works. That's how it is. Like, it's not, and there was no, Casey Fossum wasn't going to question Rod's judgment at that point because Rod was kind of a scary guy. Yeah, and not, and would have

torn his little head off. So anyway, that's a good Rod story. People always ask for him and that one fits. The bus is a big deal. So he apparently gets on a bus, and one of the veterans gets on. It's rumored to be a guy named Kevin Stevens, who's played forever. Good player. He asked Tibbets to move to the back or the front, depending on who you listen to, because he's a younger player, and he's a nobody, basically.

He said, yeah, this is my fucking seat. Take a hike. And Billy said, fuck you, basically. He you basically said i'm not doing it i'm not giving up my seat uh they went back and forth bad language fuck you fuck you uh you know kick your ass all this shit who the fuck do you think you are rookie all this bullshit uh at the end a bunch of other teammates got in and they you know calmed the situation down and uh they ended up telling billy he really needs to go back to the fucking back of the bus or whatever it was because the veteran gets his seat that's how it works so he gets all sorts of pissed off okay and apparently uh he had a cheeseburger with him that he took from the back to eat and from the back being all pissed off

rumor has it that he threw the cheeseburger toward the front toward Kevin Stevens, who he wanted to hit. But instead, it went over Kevin Stevens' head and hit somebody else that was walking on the bus who happened to be Mario Lemieux. Kick his ass, Seabass. So Mario Lemieux can just fire you and get you the fuck off the team. Is that what happened? And March 17, 2002, he is traded to Philly. Wow. So that's the rumor of why he got traded to philly

is he drilled lemieux with his double they gave him a fucking chance yeah he acts like a jerk off the other teammates are like he's an asshole and then he hit the owner slash player slash the highest level of what is it like tier seven of scientology whatever the hotchkins level equal to that is he's gone clear he's hot's Hodgkin's clear. That level, Mario Lemieux, and you're fucking gone. You rolled him in the face with a double-double. You can't... Fuck out of here. You can't hit the man who, basically

the king of Pittsburgh. Him and Terry Bradshaw could rape every girl in that town, and they would go, well, it's okay. I mean, he's got Hodgkin's. Mario Lemieux, if you don't know this, it's a rumor, he rapes penguins on the weekend, and it's legal in Pittsburgh. It's legal for him to do it.

Nobody else. Just him. Penguin pussy is cold, is what I'm told. That's what it is. Very, very cold. You can't take no for an answer, is what it is. So that's why Tibbetts was on the team, and they said he's too much. Okay.

So he's traded to Philly for Kent Manderville, which sounds like an actor from the 40s. Kent Manderville. And he comes out, hey, he's smoking. His hair all done. He only played for one more season after this. They just wanted to get rid of old Billy. And he trades him to Philly. And Philly's a rough and tumble kind of place.

And they like a fucking rough and tumble guy. They don't like rapists, though. And the fans were super fucking pissed. The Flyers were having it? This is where they all love New Jack, the wrestler. Philly is where ECW was, and this guy's like, yeah, they cut that dude. He almost killed a kid in the ring with a fucking razor blade,

and that's terrific and everything, but don't rape anybody. We draw the line there. That's not cool. You wear an opposing football team's jersey in our stadium. We'll rape you. We'll rape anybody. We draw the line there. That's not cool. You wear an opposing football team's jersey in our stadium. We'll rape you. We'll rape you. But that's in the context of our stadium. We'll throw cheese fries at her, but we won't rape her.

Now, the coach Bill Barber said, quote, he's going to be a big part of our team, our chemistry. Yes, he plays with a bit of an edge, but you could see in his game what he could do for us. He was a big part of our team our chemistry yes he plays with a bit of an edge but you could see that you could see in his game what he could do for us he was a big factor we were very pleased and we're looking forward to seeing more that's after one game he's sold he's good now uh jesus christ then uh a team official uh a uh flyers team official tries to defend what he did back in the day in the media. He says, quote, when I was 17, when I was 17, I took out a lot of 15 year old girls. Did you rape them?

What did you do? Did you have forcible sex with them at all? Did you? Did that happen? Did you fucking make them pass out and drag them behind a warehouse? Give us their numbers so we can call them? Yeah, let's talk to them here. There's a statute of limitations on this, pal.

Then he says, quote, our take on the whole situation was that he got somewhat of a bad deal and he didn't rape the girl, even though it says it was rape. If he actually raped the girl, he would have been put in jail right there. Jesus Christ. Holy fuck. What you have to do is go back and read the transcripts of the trial which admittedly I have not done that's what he just said he you mother

fucking piece of shit silver haired asshole Ed Snyder is this asshole's name by the way this stupid asshole in the NHL I sure as fuck hope that was the last day he had a fucking job in the NHL this son of a bitch let's go back again this is what I mean these guys are so out of even this is 2002 man this isn't fucking 1962 he said if he actually had actually raped the girl he would have been put in jail right there

what you have to do is go back and read the transcripts of the trial which i haven't done i'm gonna go take a shit i'm gonna sit down and read but is of the trial, which I haven't done. I'm going to go take a shit. I'm going to sit down and read those. But I am going to defend what he did and say that it's fine, even though I have not read anything about it. With zero education on the subject. Zero education. He's a good hockey player,

so I feel like it was consensual. That's what he basically said. Unbelievable. But he's so good on the ice. Wow. What a fucking asshole. No way they got this wrong. You, this guy,

write his name down right now, everybody. Ed Snyder will win Silverhead Middle-Aged Asshole of the Year because nobody else that I've seen has just been

rape apologist. Right out of the blanket. Just, I don't know. With zero knowledge. He got a bad rap. That fucking girl was, he basically was like, that fucking girl

was full of shit. I raped girls too. We all put it in a little forcible when we were 17 didn't we come on guys i was 17 i took out so many really i used to liquor them up and give them the fucking business too in the back seat it's fine nobody might dumb shit you fucking asshole jesus fucking christ i hope that he fucking had some wherewithal after he said that to be like, that wasn't on the record, right? That was just between guys, right? That was just a guy thing. It's just locker room talk, right?

Yeah. We'll say it's that. That was recorded? Fuck. Unbelievable. That's not going to be in the... Oh my God, it is. Was Billy Bush the reporter?

Then it gets worse. Then he says... Then the GM says, quote, that Tibbetts was, quote, a good kid who's trying to do what's right now. He made some mistakes, but he's trying to live his life properly. So it's fine. Don't worry about it. He plays a little bit for Philly, but I mean, it's nothing of any consequence. I think he plays nine games for Philly.

That's all. He played nine games. He averaged less than six minutes a game. He was suspended for two games during his short tenure for instigating a fight, which was his third penalty of the night. At one point, he cost the Flyers a game when he grabbed a Carolina player, Craig Adams, and threw him down on top of the Flyers goalie, Neal Little, and a goal was scored as the goalie was trying to get out from under the pile. He grabbed it, threw him at his own goalie, and then they just went, oh, open net, and they fucking shot a goalie. Thanks, dummy. And they skated away.

Wow. Thanks. Thanks, rapey. Have a good one. Fuck, man. What an idiot. He was on the team 23 days. He played nine games, two suspensions.

He played 60 total minutes and was in the penalty box 69 total minutes twice in 23 days twice in 23 games and he was like i said he was in the box more than the minutes played he had more penalty minutes than minutes on the ice he had one assist and no goals uh yeah hard to score a goal when you're in the fucking penalty how do you fucking score a goal uh 23 days after uh he that's 23 days later like said, he's placed on waivers. The Flyers GM Bobby Clark said, quote, he did everything he was supposed to do, which included going to anger management classes. He said they released him because it's just a numbers game. And they had five centers at that point.

And somebody was ready to come off the IR. It's just a roster move. That's all. It has nothing to do with he's a complete asshole. Oh, and a rapist. And he helps us zero. It's easier to defend a guy if he's crazy on the ice. If you're like, the guy lives his life normally.

Like, hey, man, on the ice, we need him to be on the edge. And that's what we want. Sometimes he goes a little far. But I mean, we're telling him to go right to the edge. So if he goes over, we can't blame the guy once in a while. This is on top of that. Oh, by the way, he rapes people so it's not or you raped a person that's not great i mean ben rothlisberger is pretty good yeah i would say

not bad at all that's what happens so was fucking jake plumber yeah so uh and teddy bruski it happens a lot so many times james winston's running around so a bunch of the members of the of the penguins organization yeah talked about how tibbets when he was on this is fucking crazy when he was on when he went to philly he started making threatening phone calls to a right wing uh right winger not he's not like a member of some sort of neo-nazi party he plays right wing uh eric malosh uh who was a prospect who was demoted to their uh to wilkes-barre around that time the messages were left on his cell phone which voicemails and text messages which were were uh jesus christ he thought he didn't know malosh got sent down he thought he was going to be playing and he was basically threatening him

and threatening his family and threatening him threatened to take it out on him on the ice and all sorts of shit like that who does he think he is fucking richie incognito that's what i mean this is fucking nuts man it's what the how do i don't understand how people get away with stuff like this just the the constant assaults and and threats of assaults how do you keep, like if you did that at any other job, you're fucking gone. Oh, quick with the fucking quickness here. No, it's all right. Give him another chance. We'll give him another chance.

Well, you know, he's a good kid. He's worked hard. He's faced a lot of adversity. I mean, that's the problem. I mean, when a kid's faced adversity like that, you don't want to cut his dream short. You just buy him hockey equipment and you send him out there. So, yeah, so he had done that apparently allegedly uh but then he gets in a fight with a with a he gets in a fight with a penguins player that this kid this guy apparently beats the shit out of him pretty good uh beats the tibbets up pretty good and uh they asked the

reporters asked both of them about it was it because of the phone calls where you extra pissed at him? Blah, blah, blah. Apparently, Tibbetts goes after this reporter in the locker room for asking any kind of questions. And this is a guy who's got to act like he's straight and narrow, even if he's not straight and narrow. And instead, he starts yelling at a local reporter when he's new to the team. And all the other teammates are like, what's going on? It's like the Ryan Leaf situation when he freaked out yeah and junior sayow came over and grabbed everyone else was just like is he out of his fucking mind doing get the captain guy you go you're the highest paid guy here go get him like we're not gonna do this one of the biggest in

this room but also yeah no one's gonna fuck with junior sayow especially not ryan leaf no so anyway he uh he ends up yelling at this reporter. He says, quote, got any more stupid questions, Tim? From across the room, he shouted at him while he was trying to interview somebody else. And this reporter said, quote, it wasn't a stupid question, Billy, in a calm tone. Just because you decided to give a bad answer doesn't make it a bad question, is what he said. So Tibbetts said, what's the matter? Are you feeling a little uncomfortable, Tim? Because people were looking at him and I guess he was trying to intimidate him.

And I feel like you might rape me. Yeah, he's like, what the fuck? And I guess the team kind of started talking to the reporter and kind of someone started talking to him. Let's calm this fucking shit down. But these are all problems that you don't need with a guy who's not a, you know, a super valuable member. You put up with shit from Dennis Rodman because he averaged 19 rebounds a game back in the day. This guy's not doing that. And he'll jump on Pop's lap to stop a ball from being loose. He's a fucking animal.

He wants to play. He wants to play hard. I guess later on, Tibbetts, with the urging of the team, called this reporter to apologize, as he fucking should have and not done that in the first place. December 16, 2002, another nhl team signs him what why do you sign him nothing but trouble uh rape i don't know uh signed with the rangers new york rangers sign him uh silver haired middle-aged right white man to the rescue uh that foitu guy played for the rangers and was a fan favorite there and he persuaded their gm to give him a

chance so this guy just keeps talking people into it. This foitu says quote, or foitu foiti, fuck you. He says quote, I don't think they would have signed him if I wasn't here. Glenn told me give him a chance and he's done excellent for us. He'll be fine. I've seen

a lot of people crazier than him that I've handled is what the GM said. Tibbetts said he lived at this foytos home or photos home, lived at his home in Hartford while this was going on. And he says about Billy says, quote, he's stuck by me. He's the silver son of a bitch in this entire story. I want to go back to that coach and tell me more about the great somebody crazier than a child rape.

Yes. Someone crazier than a rapist who can't get his head out of his ass. Who else is that crazy? Tell us. Jesus Christ, man. It's ridiculous. He played for the Hartford Wolf Pack and was living with a dude there. That was when he was in the minors.

He says, quote, Tibbett says, quote, I didn't have teams banging down my door this summer. It was because of what happened 11 years ago, getting arrested. I think a lot of gms were scared away i think the ones that have stepped up and helped me uh with my career bobby clark craig patrick and especially now glenn say uh say there who's giving me another shot i can't thank them enough he just mentioned all the silver-haired middle-aged white men in his life he's like this guy who defended me for no reason this guy said fucking i didn't even rape that girl he didn't know anything but he insisted i didn't do shit because i'm good at hockey so you know there's no teams banging down my door you know like i did to that 15 year old like i was banging down yeah exactly fucking

unreal plays 11 games for the rangers uh 35 of the minors the amount of of of choice phrases being used by no one or about about him that are exactly right. What are they doing? It's the old joke I had with Kobe Bryant in 2000-whatever-the-fuck, when they were good Lakers and Detroit in the finals, and Ben Wallace played good defense that day, and Kobe Bryant, post-rape accusation,

like fresh hanging in the air, got up on a fucking stage in front of people and said ben wallace and the pistons really did a lot to stop my penetration today you can't say that you don't get to say that word don't get to say that word gets deleted from everything you say you can't say you were trying to get penetration about anything ever again i don't care what it is okay if you're borrowing to the center of the earth penetration is not the word to use a receptionist in denver spit out her coffee when he says yeah he's like what the fuck so october of 2003 he's signed uh by as a free agent by the san diego gulls yeah you know top-notch team that is that's a minor league team they found

some somewhere a patch of it now he, he plays in 2003, 2004. He plays for four different teams. He plays for the San Diego Gulls. He plays for the Springfield Falcons and the Houston Arrows. Let's talk about them in order here. With the Gulls, he plays seven games, 56 penalty minutes in that game, in that time period. By the way, his hockey fights, when he was in the NHL, I found detailed hockey fights here. Nobody that I've really, a lot of these guys I don't know because I don't know hockey that much.

But there are like fucking detailed accounts of these fights. Yeah, where he seems to lose most of them is what it is. It seems like people beat him up a lot. Not much of a fighter against men. It seems like against men and when he doesn't have a boner, he's not real. Maybe he needs to get a boner and he'll get a lot more aggressive out there possibly. But otherwise, he seems to lose every fight he's in except for ones where he takes cheap shots, which happens too. There's one time where he tried to hit a guy who was on the bench as he skated by what the fuck kind of fight is that cheap shot at a guy while he's on the bench

and you pop which also too what do you think the other guys would grab you and pull you onto the bench and beat the shit out of you at that point you'd expect it you would fucking hope so anyway the wait is over so, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything.

You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. Not this is not a so.

This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am.

I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice.

Only on Freebie. uh but uh yeah so a lot of a lot of fights uh that he loses let's just say here uh i have some people here also some uh what may have happened in san diego i found this i found this this fucking like hockey blog thing where people were that had no knew him and played with him were telling stories about him and it really devolved into the what a fucking asshole billy tibbets is conversation here is one uh that from a guy uh well i'll just read it quote biggest douche i've ever met which says a lot in san diego in san diego and playing hockey yeah uh wow i ran into him in 2004 he was playing for san diego gulls in the echl on a quote zero tolerance restriction due to his history in other words he's not allowed to

fuck up at all he's got to fly straight like a gull so uh pre-season uh the gulls were in long beach for an exhibition game i guess tibbets didn't make the trip here uh he showed up at an afternoon pickup session uh that this guy was skating in. This guy was a 50-year-old guy. He says, quote, I was 50 years old, just had back surgery two weeks earlier. A kid tried to stop Tibbetts, and his stick rode up and nearly clipped his face. Tibbetts spent the next part of the skate chasing the poor kid around and slashing at him and hacking at him. Wow.

I told him to get off the ice and and then he uh and he was then after me for the rest of the session then in the locker room he tried taunting me uh but he said i am friends with the gulls coach so i simply took my cell phone and called him while this idiot was picking on me the coach heard and he was cut by the team and shipped out the next following week for violating his zero tolerance restriction so that's one thing another post this i i don't even know what to say about this post but it's fucking fantastic this guy's the star of the fucking show this guy says and i quote son of a bitch no no punctuation son of a bitch killed my dog then threatened he would kill my father's firstborn son which is me this guy is a piece of shit and should be locked up for life

he's a rapist thief animal abuser and the worst of all i'm disgusted that we're from the same town fuck god damn it comment that's a comment that's a comment on the internet son of a bitch just right out of the gate i used to know him son of a bitch killed my dog then threatened he would kill my father's firstborn son which which is me. Wow. They're from the same town. He's disgusted by that, apparently. But I love that. Those are just two choice passages. There's plenty on there I could have chose from.

April 18th, 2004, Billy Tibbetts is released from the arrows, Houston arrows here, because he is arrested and charged with resisting arrest. So that's a problem. And they so they release him. He's off parole now, though. So it's all over. He's a free man. He's free and clear.

But he's being arrested again now. So April 2004, the arrows go. We've seen this fucking movie before. Take a hike. Jesus Christ. This sequel is going to be no good. No fucking good yeah they uh he apparently he was involved in an altercation after a traffic stop and was charged by houston police with resisting arrest and resisting a search this happens a lot with him he does not

like to be pulled over he'll pull over sometimes but when he does uh he doesn't want you to fucking stay away from him uh he posted bond and was released from jail. And then later on that day, he was released from his contract as well. Told to fuck off from the arrows here. The Minnesota Wild are their parent club. They said that they took a chance and all that. And the coach said, quote, he came here knowing that if he got in any trouble on or off the ice, he'd be let go right away. There would be no talking, no change of plans.

Minnesota nice. They fucking stuck to it. Take a hike here. They said that they had a meeting with him afterwards. They said there'd be no talking and they actually had a meeting with him. The coach said, quote, we actually came to an agreement that he wasn't ready to play here right now. He knows that he has to get himself in the right emotional state to be a good citizen, I guess. So he did help us here in this time that he was here, but he was short with injuries.

He worked hard for the team, but he did break the team rules. Sure did. So he's fucking gone. He's signed by Las Vegas in 2004, November of 2004. Las Vegas of the ECHL. Las Vegas Wranglers. Yeehaw, baby. He ends up December of 2004, gets a 10-game suspension for a flagrant cross check in his

first game with the fucking team. Very first one. First team. Yeah. He ends up having eight games. He plays with them, has zero goals, two assists, and 86 penalty minutes. Jesus. Which is remarkable.

Yeah. A remarkable amount. Of penalty minutes. Yeah. Which is remarkable. Yeah. A remarkable amount of penalty minutes. Yeah, just to squeeze all those in there. January 28th, 2005, he's traded to Idaho of the ECHL by Las Vegas

for cash. They were just like, just give us a couple of bucks. I don't know. 40 bucks? Here's a 20. We're going to Western Union you like 75 bucks

and you just fucking, not even like Venmo or PayPal or wiring. Just Western Union it to me. It'll cost us more money to send it than it is to me. Yeah, absolutely. Send someone down to the Western Union to pick it up and then you can deposit. On horseback. On horseback.

Just galloping over there. So he plays for the Idaho Steelheads. Plays 15 games. Has 132 penalty minutes. 2005 and 2006 he plays for the chicago wolves for a while of the ahl 46 games there 239 penalty minutes it's getting bad yeah he plays for the rockford ice hogs of the uhl which i don't even know what the fuck that is this is also 2005 and 6 obviously united hockey league something yeah i think so universal or some horse shit i don't even fucking

know ukrainian at this point who the hell knows they're in rockford so probably not who's beckistan rockford ukraine that's where he is uh 13 games 55 penalty minutes uh then 2006 and 7 well we'll talk about that in a second let's talk about uh 2005 when he's in idaho uh he's he ends up being released by them uh a day after he's suspended indefinitely by the league for attempting to attack a referee. He doesn't get it. No.

He tried to attack a referee. That's the one. Everyone on the ice. I get it. The referee's the one fucking person on skates you cannot attack. He clearly saw Billy Madison. You can't attack the referee. This guy is Billy Madison plus rape.

Billy Madison. Minus golf. get him you can't attack the referee this guy is billy madison plus rape right billy madison imagine how less of a sympathetic character billy madison is or not happy gilmore you're talking about yeah imagine how much less sympathetic a character that is if he was a rapist a convicted rapist child rapist yeah and he's like i'm just trying to help my grandma and he's like well maybe you shouldn't have raped people and that must have hurt your grandma you fucking asshole nobody'd be trying to help you'd be rooting he's like, well, maybe you shouldn't have raped people. And that must have hurt your grandma, you fucking asshole. Nobody would be trying to help him. You'd be rooting for Shooter McGavin the entire fucking movie. I know he's kind of a dick, but he didn't rape anybody.

Maybe grandma shouldn't have put up her house for your legal fees to try to keep you out of prison. Jesus Christ, man. You fucking asshole. Yeah, so he physically attacks a referee and gets tossed uh which you know you can't do that that's how it goes usually you can't obviously do that what's that running back the the guy with the with the dreads and he's fucking mentally unstable he's got a lot of mental problems i forget god damn it he played for the raiders and the seahawks marshawn lynch yes marshawn no no he seems cool super unstable really he seems the most stable

oh boy oh boy is he unstable he seems like he knows exactly who the fuck he is and doesn't care what you think that man's a loon is he really oh god yeah he's got a he's got serious mental okay i didn't know i didn't know okay all right i really didn't know i thought he was just like no he's very open about it he just seems to be like a dude who's like i don't want to fucking talk to you i think he's got like uh i don't know what it is he's got some sort of mental instability oh shit but he uh he there was a fight in the huddle and he went after a dude and didn't realize that it was the ref whose shirt he just grabbed he can't do that he's locked faces with this motherfucker and doesn't see black and white stripes you can't do that that's not good

and he got tossed that's just what happened you can't touch referees in any sport in any capacity, especially if you're this asshole. The coach of the Wranglers in Las Vegas said that he didn't condone Billy's past at all. He said, quote, it's nothing we want to be associated with. It's a terrible past. At the same time, we didn't discriminate. His past isn't that of a role model for anybody, but it's there. He's free. He's done his time.

We just judged him from what we had here. So they're just, but it's there. He's free. He's done his time. We just judged him from what we had here. So they're just like, it's fine. He did say, quote, otherwise, this is when he was still on the team. Otherwise, I'd get rid of him today if I didn't hope that he'd stay with the team for the rest of the year. The decision was a group decision from the owners to the coaching staff to the players. So they're all nice, but they're all like, look, I think

he's a scumbag, but maybe he can help us out on the ice. That's all we're, fuck it, it's fine. We're on the same team here. Yeah. After that, he ends up going to... He says that he's turned his life around. He's joined Alcoholics Anonymous, and he has found God. No. Found God, baby.

That's it. It's over. He has broken every fucking rule except naming his kid Junior. He's gone home. He's found God. You name it, he's fucking broken. No teenagers in his hit hit squad but he did have underage people in his rape squad that's true he had minors in his rape squad which is worse i think i think squad uh he uh he joins alcoholics anonymous like he said uh march 15 2005 he said quote basically i've got to surrender my

life to god's will i only need to concern myself with God's love and acceptance. That's his new thing. He's free because of the Lord Jesus. And six days later, the Idaho Steelhead said, you are free. We release you from your fucking contract after you tried to attack a referee. So six days later, after he's just going to just going to turn himself over and only consider God's love, he attacks a referee. So a lot of good that fucking did him there. Maybe he was trying to bless.

That's possible. He was trying to baptize him in the ice. He was. He was like, get that. Slamming him into it. There's some shavings. I'm going to get you. So September 9, 2006, there is a contest, promotion, whatever you want to call it, called

Be a Bruin, Boston Bruin. Be a Bruin. Okay. Promotion was the brainchild of an ex-defenseman named Brad Park, who then got the backing of a coach and the president of the team, Harry Sinden. The original plan was to target amateurs and beer league zealots who are harboring long simmering dreams of playing in the NHL.

Okay. So they were going to do like an Invincible type yeah they were like hey that's a popular movie yeah uh so this is 2006 right around the time yeah billy at that time was playing for the chicago wolves as a minor league team and his dad submitted an entry for him for this okay uh interesting he is picked for this be a brewing thing they don't have google they're on a way somehow they didn't realize that it was the same guy or whatever that it's him and a couple other guys one guy who's like a college player another guy who's like a minor league player that's who the that's who they wanted and instead they get this asshole uh they also made an eight-part reality series about it on the Nessun Network there, Northeastern Sports Network.

God damn it. Fuck you, Survivor. Yeah. What they didn't know, general manager didn't know that Tibbetts was a convicted rapist. He did not know he was a sex offender. You have to do a background check. They didn't do it. They just were like, oh, that kid that they submitted.

He seems good. Look at that tape. He's good. Because he is fucking good. But he's a goddamn asshole uh tibbets said quote well they said it's a legit tryout i'm taking them at their word i'm just going to have fun work hard and keep a positive attitude everything else is out of my control my main goal here is to make the boston bruins any way shape or form i'll do whatever they ask me just head up eyes down mouth shut that's it

i'm not gonna take no for an answer not gonna take no for an answer i'm gonna rape them into letting me fly i am going to now if i'm gonna make them submit eventually they'll just put it that way eventually it's whether it's willfully or not i'm gonna play for them he then says quote i know the media has made me out to be a monster really no have we now the media has made me out to be a monster. Really? No. Have we now? No, you have. The media has made him out to be. You know what else made you out to be a monster? I don't know.

Did the media, the court document that talks about how he raped a girl, was that put out by the media or the court? I think the court typed that one up. Public records make you a monster. I don't think the New York Times made that up in a story or wrote that down. I think that was just copied down from what happened. You know, from photocopies are testimony from, you know, raped girls and things like that. Wow.

So, yeah, media has made him out to be a monster. He says, in a lot of ways, that's the public perception of me. There's nothing I can do about that. I'm just hoping that people can empathize rather than ostracize. He says, now, here's the one. This is I don't even know what the fuck to say to this. We have to do an in their own words with this because it's the biggest asshole statement

I think I've probably ever heard. Self-serving, completely manipulative, non-responsible asshole. In their own words, quote, I've had to live every day with the knowledge that I was convicted of rape. I was kind of a wild kid. I've tried to mature as an adult since I was released from prison.

What about her? He didn't say I've had to live with the knowledge every day that I hurt this person. I've had to live with the knowledge every day that I did something terrible. I've had to live with the knowledge every day that I did an awful thing. And I've tried to. He said that I was convicted of rape. You. I. I. Me. I. Conviction is. Adversity. day that did an awful thing and i've tried to he said that i was convicted of rape you i i me i conviction is uh adversity right there's so much fucking adversity i have to face the adversity because you know it's it's me it's about me you piece of shit uh the coach here coach dave lewis

said he's still going through the quote evaluation process with Tibbetts and two other uh contestants here which are Dusty Demniuk and uh Kevin Drews uh they do a three they do all sorts of drills and they're saying how Tibbetts is fucking schooling people like they're doing drills with the guys on the on the team on the Bruins and he's you know doing better that he's doing well because he's a good player uh and so they're very they're very impressed with his playing uh they said about him after one day quote he had a very good chance of scoring in the first shift and he seems to be effective uh that's terrific uh they said his skills are a little rusty which they expected uh but uh you know the problem is the rape obviously uh so he says though he's a

reformed man he says he's in goes through alcohol and drug rehab he's in a meetings all the time he says quote i've been my my own worst enemy i know that my mouth my ego my actions my dick my dick it took me a long time to surrender surrender to alcohol to surrender to will and control if you've got no higher power man then who do you answer to you have to answer to somebody i have a spiritual foundation now i have some inner peace and i want to play hockey where and to what extent remains to be seen you know who else surrendered to alcohol and somebody else's wow yeah that's what the fuck is he doing he every time he opens his mouth he fucking has a uh a worse thing something that lines up with rape if you've got no higher power than who do you answer to the judge that sentences you to

prison motherfucker that's who you answer to you rapist asshole uh he says he's they also talk about in the media that it feels like when they talk to the bruins it feels like the bruins just like they brought him in by mistake but this is a contest that they told everybody was legit so they kind of have to let him do it but they wish he would just kind of fucking go away they wish he would just kind of go twisted my knee going home today have a good one close the door behind him lock it up lock it up no don't let him back in I don't care make sure you leave his phone or anything if he did just throw it outside we almost had a rapist on the team you guys throw it out throw it out no more of these contests whose fucking brainchild was this throw it out the door like Casey fossum's bag toss it fuck out of here uh

so uh they they can cut him eventually when they do it and uh the uh the general manager just says he hasn't hasn't tried to mask his distaste for the situation he does not like the whole tibbets thing uh he also says that the fact that he's been suspended a ton of time in the minors for actual hockey misbehavior is also not a positive thing they're looking for. Oh, on top of that, guess what? Forcible 15-year-old girl sex. So there's also that.

He said, high-sticking and things like that, and he said, should somehow he go haywire in a practice game and wind up on the evening news and police shackles? We don't want that. Which makes fucking sense. And September 18th, nine days later, they release him.

Have a good one, Billy. He then gets gets signs a tryout contract in the Finnish league with a team called HPK. And after only four games with HPK, he leaves the team without notice and signs another contract with a different team. How do they keep giving him chances? Well, in Finland, they don't give a fuck if you raped a girl. Europe, Canada, anywhere, they're just like, you good at sports? Great.

Come on in. We don't give a fuck. Who cares? You don't even speak English. You don't even speak this language. You're not going to rape anybody. It's fine. He's going to be playing in Thailand soon. Yeah, he really is. Well, he'd be perfect for that. There's plenty of rape to be had there, from what I understand. It's goddamn awful. Yeah, he really is. Well, he'd be perfect for that. There's plenty of rape to be had there from what I understand.

It's goddamn awful. So April 26, 2007, Billy, straight and narrow, obviously, I mean, at this point, the thing is he's answering to God now. So once you're answering to God,

as we've known from the past, once they find the Lord and they start answering to God, everything falls into place and it's fine. He's arrested. April 26, 2007 for traffic violations after leading police on a, quote, brief chase. Yes, this is in situate. He was speeding in his Jeep Cherokee and then he hit a utility pole.

He got a car with the top now. Yeah, he got it. I mean, he's like, I'm going to step it up. I'm a little older now. So he's a Jeep guy. He hit a utility with a top now. zone which is a little fast excessive uh the cop turned around and came uh and turned around and go after the guy and then came upon it the jeep crashed into a utility pole he's like that's why the speed limit's 30 dummy you dumb fuck because there's a fucking pole there can't go around that corner that fast yeah and uh he so he pulls up he sees that he's like oh no and as he gets out of the car just in time to see tibbets fucking dashing away from them. He ran. He fucking ran away.

They end up finally catching him. They charge him with speeding, driving after his license is revoked because that's why he's fucking running away, and driving to endanger and leaving the scene of an accident. So he is treated for minor injuries and arrested and then released. So problems driving, let's just say. A few. That was April of 2007. And arrested and then released. So problems driving, let's just say. A few.

That was April of 2007. August 13th, 2007, his car is seen. It's a 2007 BMW X5. Where is he getting money? That's a nice car. Oh, his parents are rich. You betcha. That's why.

It's probably his mom's car. CEO of a fucking construction company. Yeah. So he's driving a BMW X5, which is the big SUV that they have. Yeah, so he's driving a BMW X5, which is the big SUV that they have. It's pretty big on Route 3 southbound at about 1230 a.m. when a state trooper named Mark Kincannon, who's checking out traffic, he's fucking doing radar from the side of the road, and he sees him going at a high speed, like he said. He pulls out and turns his lights on and his sirens on to pull Tibbetts over for speeding,

but instead Billy guns it and takes off. Not his car. Not my car. Fuck it. And starts speeding down Route 3. He takes an exit ramp onto Route 18 and continues driving. He drives through towns, through Weymouth and into Abington and then made a sharp turn onto Route 58 South. And then he made another sharp right turn.

And he lost control of the car and hit, what? A utility pole again. Hey, come out of nowhere. Two fucking poles. Yeah, they move them all the time, too. They're constantly moving them around. They're very quick. He'd think he would stop after hitting a pole.

Nope, he keeps driving. Keeps going with the car all fucked up. And then it dies after a minute because it's probably got vital fluids leaking from it. Oil or something. And a phrase and it just overheats. So you think he'd give up at this point. Nope. He ran into the woods, ran into the woods where the police chased him into the woods and then lost him. Wow. They lose him in the fucking woods. But a police dog is brought in and everything. But the police receive a 9-1-1 call in abington uh from a house that said somebody's somebody's hiding in their backyard uh there's a

stranger or whatever an intruder and they find tibbets hiding behind a house in the neighborhood uh just cowering he's like the guy on cops who's hiding under the kiddie pool right they kick it off and he's like oh shit what was god was taking a nap i don't know what y'all are doing that's what he was doing uh they arrest him they turn him over to the state police and he's like oh shit what was god was taking a nap i don't know what y'all are doing that's what he was doing uh they arrest him they turn him over to the state police and he's arrested jesus christ uh so yeah not not great high speed chase and then crashing running hiding finally being pulled out from under a kiddie pool he's a fucking medicine now he's sitting in jail he doesn't know what the fuck to do with himself i mean christ almighty of course they let him out because it's not that big of a deal he let him out of god damn jail he doesn't know what the fuck to do with himself i mean christ almighty of course they let him out because it's not that big of a deal he let him out of god damn jail he

doesn't know what the fuck to do back at mom's house back at mom's house and it's fucked up too because his parents are like they're older now so they go on like cruises and shit all over he's just left at the house to do things and they're like look we got a guy coming you a guy to repair something coming at 3 30 you better be here doorbell rings who is it it's paul calhoun shit pipe enthusiast and he says how is it you come to arrive here i gotta ask you a question first of all i got a lot of questions to ask you now first of all uh you know me you don't know who I am. First of all, I get sympathized with your situation. You get a little flighty. You got to smack people around. I understand my slogan.

First of all, let me tell you, I smacked a couple of people around my whole slogan. The thing I pay my bills because I clean your shit pipes and smack your wife. You understand that? I'll clean them. I'll smack. That's what I do. I'll clean up up your shit i'll kick a guy in the dick for the ladies you know you guys know what i do so i understand a little bit of violence you know you want to smack somebody around i understand i get all excited when i clean that shit pipe out when that last little poof and then it flows right through oh baby i feel it and i gotta smack somebody i got it whoever's close to me i grab my smack i'm okay with your grandma that's it right there bang in your face you know what i mean so i do that but what i never did was i never fucking rape somebody what the fuck is

wrong with you can't be raping people you can't do that i'm sorry it's i found out one time i looked it up because i i was wondering i saw your name on my list i was like oh i got him today and i had to go knock on your door and i said uh what is it oh that's where that's illegal yeah 15 years old and it's for oh you can't do either of those things. So I'll clean out your shit pipes, but I'm going to keep an eye on you, pal. You make one move, I'll give you a fucking smack. You want to come fight with me, I'll fight with you, buddy. Don't worry about it.

I'm not a 15-year-old fucking girl. Have a good one. Poof. I'm a referee. Poof. And in a cloud of shit and pipes and everything else, he's gone. Toilet paper and tampon. He's very confused, obviously, because he did not expect that at his parents' house

at all. He called his mom, and his mom told him everything's going to be okay, and then she came home and stroked his hair and held him close to her bosom and said, it's going to be fine. We'll get through this. We'll find you another school. And he said, Mom, I'm 33 years old. And she said, oh, yeah, never mind. You look thin.

Have some Teddy Grahams. It's fine, honey. So November 7, 2007 2007 he signs a contract uh in the swiss national league uh swiss national league b uh the b league there's no marshmallows in the b league you get the swiss miss with the marshmallows in the a league but the b league fuck you it's just hot chocolate you're out uh he signs with ehc olton whatever the fuck that is he plays nine games there it doesn't fucking matter uh february 18 2009 signs a three-game contract with the huntsville havoc of the sphl and then signs a contract for the

remainder of the season after that uh he gets 15 points in 12 games, but then he gets suspended for two games for blindsiding a Columbus Cottonmouths. Is that the name of their fucking team? That's a minor league team, the Columbus Cottonmouths. Is it with a K? No, this is weird as shit. Like the Cottonmouth Kings? Yeah, no, like you smoke some weed and now you have Cottonmouth, and they named a team after that. That's so weird.

Basically, this guy was not even looking, and Billy punched him in the side of the head when the guy was not engaged in a fight with him so they suspended him and the team was like okay let's uh let's get rid of this let's get rid of this fucking guy he's a bit of trouble yeah he doesn't play much for there and it really doesn't goddamn matter he plays for the birmingham bulls uh back in the day too and all these fucking i love how in his stats there's a big did not play for fucking four seasons. It doesn't say did not play prison, is what it should say right there. Unavailable.

Unavailable in the joint. Unavailable. Fucking won't take no for an answer. Sorry. Late 2011, he's signed by the Cape Cod Bluefins. How the fuck... I don't know. I don't know why you keep taking him back.

How good is he? He's okay. I mean, for these shit teams. But yeah, they said that they thought Billy's a good guy. Their general manager said that he's the general manager and head coach. He said that he welcomes the troubled guy and he says it's fine. He says, quote, he's come in here and been a positive influence. We really needed leadership in the room.

We talked and eventually he decided to help us out and he's been nothing short of unbelievable. He's not an angel. Neither am I or anyone else in the game of hockey. Quit admitting that you write. Stop saying that. Stop equating, hey, you know, I go out and carouse and have a few beers and maybe get in a fist fight once in a while to raping teenagers. Stop doing it.

Because they give it just a, they do a boys will be boys blanket over it. And there is boys will be boys. Some people are like, eh, that's bull. No, there is some boys will be boys. None of them involve rape. None of them involve forcible penetration. That's the only thing that's not boys will be fucking boys. Getting in a fight with another guy, being an idiot.

That's just, people have a lot of fucking shit to blow off when they're 17. Rape is not one of them. Testosterone overload, then you're not used to it. Sperm is one thing you can't blow off when you're a teenager. You're not allowed to. I mean, I did my best. Do that at home. Do that by yourself at home, goddammit.

But he says, quote, some teams are gunning for him, trying to get under his skin. Some officials carry the baggage as well as on ice. So they're trying to piss him off, so to get under his skin. Some officials carry the baggage as well as on ice. So they're trying to piss him off, so he gets tossed, basically. He plays there. He says that he's embraced this role to be on this team. He wants to be the leader. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.

He's spiritual now. He can help the young people. He's a good guy. Gross. He says, quote, Billy says, quote, I'm trying to provide a blueprint for guys to work off of. The NHL is not a pipe dream for some of our kids. If you keep working hard, learning the game and listening to me, you'll make it. I foresee them making the step soon.

They could easily play of the ECHL right now. Wow. Stop with the motivation. No one. You're not a role model. Yeah. Everything he says, it sounds like I'm encouraging the guys to work our asses off and you can rape anybody if you do it.

You can get in there, boy. If they say no, if they fight you off, eventually no take no for an answer. So submit them to your will. Yeah. He's done the other thing. He says, Jesus Christ. The main thing before I got here was that there was no systems and I was able to institute them and to try to change the culture.

I don't want him changing any cultures to his whim quote it was very soft undisciplined and unstructured no leadership now he's a leader what are we fucking doing holy hell this is should be your example if you're the coach and he's on the team everyone don't be like him yeah please that's your example says do the opposite do the fucking opposite now this comes up january 30th 2012 um i don't know if this is his brother but it's been posted that this is his brother and it's in the same town and they have the same name and it's fucking possible okay uh but we're not positive uh it's a guy named joseph tibbets uh they call his brother nicky but they said they call him nicky that's not his name

so i don't know what the fuck's up here. So I don't know if this is his brother. And his dad's name was Joe. So that makes sense. That's what I mean. His dad's name was Joseph. This guy was 39 years old at the time, which fits the age differences.

Anyway, he says that this guy, even if he's not, this story's fucking crazy. He was arraigned on nine charges stemming from an alleged kidnapping and armed robbery involving a person he knew. He was arrested apparently at 1 p.m. The victim was a 68-year-old man who drove to the police station parking lot

and told this detective that he'd been robbed at knife point. So they follow. The guy leads them to this Joseph Tibbetts. This guy, by the way, who was robbed, was on oxygen and appeared to be shaken but not injured. They lead him to the parking lot of a Victoria's sub shop where the robbery occurred. Three detectives watched a man matching the description walk away from the parking lot.

They drew their guns and ordered him to stop. Other people arrived to assist. He was taken into custody. What ended up happening, apparently, this whole thing here, they drove. And the suspect here, the Tibbetts, said that I guess he picked up a work knife and began opening and closing the work knife when the 68-year-old man was around and said, quote, I can kill you. Then he pointed the knife at the man and told him to keep driving. And then he removed all the cash from the guy's wallet. That's a robbery.

So he just decided to rob him there. He's like, he just realized knives are stabby, like out of nowhere. He opened the knife and he went, hey, I could kill you. You know what? Keep driving. Give me your fucking money. I didn't realize I had something so, such a deal closer here. This is pretty powerful.

This is quite the trump card I have going on right now. You're not a little girl. Yeah, right. card I have going on right now. You're not a little girl. Yeah, right. So then this guy said he convinced the suspect here to stop for food at the sub shop and Tibbetts threatened to kill this man again, this time with a wrench. He waved a wrench inside.

Tibbetts took the keys and went inside. But this guy, the victim, had a spare ignition key. So he took it and drove away. And then he's charged with kidnapping, robbery assault with a dangerous weapon and also with a wrench uh knife and a wrench on a person over 60 larceny from someone over 65 intimidation of the witness resisting arrest and disorderly conduct they have that law up there there's a lot of fucking yeah over 60 you go to jail longer that's crazy because like my dad's 60 he's pretty formidable like he wouldn't charge extra for fucking knocking him over yeah i don't know that i could knock him rides a fucking harley and shit like you're not knocking him yeah we'll go with 70 now i think

times have changed we can up the up yeah yeah so uh i got a feeling your dad could knock me out of me probably good he probably good he wouldn't let you rob him i'll tell you that right now no we just heard the hurricanes's coming to South Carolina. He lives a mile from shore. It's coming right in his path. Mandatory evacuation. He sends Sarah a picture of him and my stepmom fucking clinking beers together. We're not leaving anywhere.

We're staying here. We're going to go for a ride in a little bit. They are. We're not going anywhere. I'm like, what is wrong with you fucking people? A little bit of wind. Yeah. If you rob him, it shouldn't be extra.

60 mile an hour winds? He's formidable. I get that on my Harley. Yeah. No problem. I got this. May 20th, 2015. Billy Tibbetts, fuck, he's 40 years old at this point.

He's arrested during a motor vehicle stop in situ. Again, he's still there on Summer Street near street near super petroleum uh the gas station in charge with operating a motor vehicle without a license uh you dumb motherfucker imagine his parents how fucking embarrassed they are i get that they've given him everything and they've caused this but at some point i know outwardly they're not going to say it they're going to say he's a good boy he's a good good boy he's just a good. I get that they're going to do that. But inwardly, at night, in their room, they have to talk. No one's around.

They have to go, Jesus Christ, I wish he would just fucking stop or move to Haiti or get the fuck out of here. Because if he gets arrested one more time and my friends keep asking me about it, I'm going to lose my fucking mind. And then Terry goes, you're being too hard on the boy. Yeah, you're being too hard. Let's buy him some more hockey equipment. I think he could use it. And a new jeep he wrapped the last

one around a fucking telephone pole so what he did to my x5 jesus christ i mean good god all these fucking teams i feel bad for all these people jimmy i really do but not nearly not nearly as bad as i feel for billy tibbets a program manager at Wabtec in the greater Denver area. It's a railroad manufacturer. Billy Tibbetts, district sales manager at Brassler USA in the Washington, D.C. metro area. They sell medical devices. So upstanding guy who needs people to trust him.

I'm not a rapist, I swear. Billy Tibbetts, an Australian boxer who fought two fights in 1925 and 1927 and lost both of them and lost both fights. Long before rape was popular with the Tibbetts. And finally, Billy Tibbetts, a high school football player in the Northeast. You poor bastard. I won't say where he is. I just feel bad for this poor kid.

Don't rape children, Billy. Don't rape anybody. I promise, Billy. Stick with football, you fuck. Jesus Christ. Yeah, please do that. Now, November of 2016, everything we've said about him has been negative this entire time because he's done nothing positive.

Nothing. Everything he does that's, quote, positive is just for himself. Yeah. And he just says how much adversity he's overcome and how great he is to get there. He's marred with terrible shit. Yeah. November of 2016, he does the first half-decent thing that I've seen in his whole entire life. I'm sure he's done something nice, but nothing publicly.

Slapshot, the movie Slapshot. Well, the characters from Slapshot went to Rhode Island to play around in a game and help a family where someone has ALS in the family. And they had been writing to them, and they're big in the ALS scene. And the fundraiser is titled, Artie and the Hanson Brothers Battle ALS. And its goal is to raise funds for an Artie Saran and his family to defray the costs of medical treatment. They talk about what it is. defray the costs of medical treatment. They talk about what it is.

Anyway, in this whole thing, you've got the Hanson brothers and a few other people here. Who the hell are these people? You have Dave Capuano, who's an NHL player. I've heard of him. Bill Bennett, Howie Rosenblatt, and Billy Tibbetts are one of the people who will be playing in this charity game at the Boss Arena for a good fucking cause. How does that feel?

Yeah, it's... Jesus Christ. Wouldn't you rather have the fucking ice bucket challenge? We'll take it. We don't need him, right? No one's going to take their money back if we kick him off the ice, the rapist. Hanson Brothers apparently have helped raise over $27 million over the past 25 years. Wow. Those guys did

for ALS. That's great. So that's their cause. That is Billy Tibbetts. Can't get enough Billy Tibbetts? I have had an ass full of Billy Tibbetts. Well, you know what? Jimmy, you know what you should do? Yeah.

Any of your kids interested in hockey? Yeah. Well, you know what you can do then? Maybe your daughter, I think, would really be interested in hockey. Well, you should sign her up at allpowerskating.com. No. Where Billy Tibbetts is teaching people how to play hockey. It says in big letters, want to be a better hockey player?

All-Star Powerskating by Billy Tibbetts focuses on the same principles and techniques that Billy believes in. These principles are concentrating on knee bend while skating, edge work, and upper body control. All ages and all levels are welcome to sign up. And then it says instructor Billy Tibbetts. Billy played at every level of the minors before making it to the NHL and playing with

the Pittsburgh Penguins. They don't say around rape charges in prison. They show his stats like from Wikipedia on there to show how many teams. There's four years

of did not play and say, oh, by the way, he was in prison for rape those four years. Rates, it says, please call or email for rates and time location all south shore hockey rinks that's that same fucking area south shore and contact information you can contact billy uh 7817337153 or email him at williamtippett74 at gmail.com

should i give that out is that wrong to give out i don't know if i should give that out is that illegal to give out i don't it's online it's on fucking line if you want to play hockey you can call him and play hockey i'm not saying to do anything else ask him how much booze it takes to knock out a 15 year old yeah well i bet he knows exactly how much uh also if you're for some reason i had to come on uh if you're for some reason a fan of his it's like giving booze to a 15 year old it's like it's like carrying a passed out 15 year old behind a warehouse it's that kind of reckless it's like running from the cops and smashing in a utility pole.

It's like shooting a kid in the back with a BB gun kind of reckless. You know, it's like that kind of reckless. You know, it's like stealing a meatball sandwich from a grocery store. Reckless. A $2.99 meatball sandwich. Fuck, man. Well, you can go. What a fucking jerk.

If you want more, you can go to Game Warren Auctions, and they have all sorts of shit. They have a 2001 and 2002 Penguins Game Warren jersey, one of his Game Warren jerseys. Starting bid was $150, and it sold for $241.58. It didn't go up much. People upped the bid for minimum. It wasn't one guy going, I like the Penguins. Fuck it. Click.

I don't remember that guy. Somebody else was like, yeah, that's a decent price. Yeah, that's a decent price. Yeah, that's what it is. Still under $300 for game-worn shit. It was just four rapists bidding on it. He's my favorite NHL player. No one's better than him.

No one's better than Billy Tibbetts at this. And rape. He's great. So that's Billy Tibbetts, and that's a hockey episode. Notice we tried not to talk much about hockey, because we don't know fucking shit about hockey. We just mess things up, and it's stupid. And this guy had way more going on around him than the hockey who wants to talk about minor league hockey played like fucking 80 games in the NHL

so we do know that child rape is bad that is unequivocally and and objectively bad there's no question about it that is Billy Tibbetts if you like that story you should hate him. If you like that story, you should hate him. But if you like that story,

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That I can swear to God. We're going to kill it. I know that. We just need you guys to be there to take the beating. Put your asses in seats and hang with us. That's right. We'll meet every last fucking one of you. We'll do it, it man unless we literally

have to go to the airport to make the next show which might happen we'll try our best but never mind all that why don't you tell me something because I'm wondering

I just told you a story why don't you tell me the list of my favorite people in the goddamn world this week Jimmy hit me with them executive producers this week are

Sarah Gilbo who fucking wow thank you Sarah you came through you'rebo, who fucking wow. Wow, thank you, Sarah. You came through. You're a darling. Thank you so, so, so much. Thank you. Carol Braun, who donated both ways.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Carol. Lucas Rogers, Annette Wright, Crystal Gennaro. Thank you. Thank you all, Crystal, too. She's terrific. She's a traffic controller. Yeah, thank you.

Oh, that's amazing. Thank you for not killing us all. Rachel Fouch, Ryan Gafford, and Carly Harper. They are a couple. Wow. Cool. Stephanie Ramos, December Th all. Rachel Fouch, Ryan Gafford, and Carly Harper. They are a couple. Wow. Stephanie Ramos, December Theron. I think it's Theron. She donated both ways also.

Wow. And of course, Chrissy Ann Costaldi. Thank you guys so much for really coming through and helping us. We really appreciate you. Yeah, you guys are our heart and soul, honestly. And so is everybody else coming up. Thank you guys. And they are Sny Juntola.

I thought you were going to say Sandy Juice. I'm thinking, I'm like, what are you talking about? It's Sonny, I believe. Okay. Kate Ives, who's around every week. Yeah. Rebecca Anders, Jessica Manor, Nicole Johnson, Nick Laycock, Paul Ruest. Oh, Paul, yeah.

That guy's fantastic. He makes memes and stuff. He's not making memes. He's donating money. He's the best. The guy's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. I hope your little boy's doing all right. The guy's amazing. Thank you. Thank you.

I hope your little boy's doing all right. Yeah. Ab Seifer. I meant to say that. Thank you. Yeah. And then he's got his fucking mother-in-law going through some shit, too. Jesus Christ, I know.

They had to bring her in the house. It's fucked up over at the Ruess house. Shit's going on. Sorry. Good luck to you, brother. He's a fucking man, though. Thank you, brother. Thanks for hanging in there.

Christopher Brooks, Natalie Hodson, Michael Kennedy, who donated twice, I believe. Oh, my God. Thank you. Or it's another Mike Kennedy. I'm not sure. Who knows? Thank you. Either way.

Nathaniel Schaefer, Justin Inwood, Shannon Russell, Emily Schmidt, Nathan Nolte, who's an officer, I believe. Is he? I think so. I think so. Well, thanks for listening, dude. Yeah. He's a good dude.

Thank you, Nathan. Charlotte Tork, Robin Buffkin. James Price. Stephanie Igoa. Let's take another swipe at this bad guy. Stephanie Igoa, I think. Yeah. Nicky Eddie.

No, Nick Eddie. Diana Libman. Tyler Brown. Juan Yanez. Jesse Hartman. Nick Jungers. Amanda Alfara. William McGuffer. William McGufferin.

Yes. Yes. Reno in Texas. He came through this town and texted me that he was here. So I stopped to say hello to him. He's terrific. Thanks for being here, Reno. Good to see you, buddy.

Tiffany. No, Timothy. Shit. Sorry, Tim. Timothy Hunt, CIS Hit Squad. I'm not sure what that is. It's a bunch of different people together. Hopefully they're not minors.

No, they're not. We know you can't have them in your hit squad. I think not sure what that is. It's a bunch of different people together. Hopefully they're not minors. No, they're not. Because we know you can't have them in your hit squad. I think they know better. Ashley Veo. She's fucking fantastic. And then Mike Kennedy. Again, I think it's the same Mike. Heather Norton.

And she also sent us a gift. I got to open that still. Oh, that's so cool. Thank you, Heather. Juan Ortiz. Leah Campbell. Michael. No, Michelle Terry.

Oh, Michelle Terry Photographs. That's what that is. Oh, cool. Beth Grimwood. Oh, fuck. Beth Grims. That's what that is. Oh, cool. Beth Grimwood. Fuck. Beth Grimwood. That's what it is.

Melissa Coyle. Alana Cronard. Margie Coonsey. She's been around forever. Yeah, she's cool. Thank you, Margie. Sarah Donnelly. Ken Slattery or Slatery.

I'm so bad at this. Matt Dietrich. That's like the noise that you make when you see your little boy when he's like three take a swing with the wiffle ball bat kind of that's cute buddy good try guido pip uh shannon feltus she's fantastic too uh kate myers ashley wolf jeremy ocella stephen rude elizabeth wolfinger or wolfinger it could be wolf finger wolf they don't have fingers no uh nicole johnson gina miller cat with no last name uh justin miller uh max with no last name christian vasquez uh sharifa charles i think that's sharifa hay and she got married or something

oh i think maybe maybe or she got divorced and i'm just reminding her of fucking pain just a different person or it's a different person uh Cath Leader, Under the Sea Fabrics, Caitlin Jeffrey, Josh Brooks, Bryant Tool, Jack Fisher, Kay Overbay, Jason Fuller, of course. Oh, yeah, Jason. And he sent fucking baseball jerseys, bro. I can't wait to see them. Oh, I can't wait. They sound fucking rad.

I can't wait to see them. Jason's the man. Thank you. We'll see you in Detroit, buddy. Alejandro Garza, Stephanie Simon, Martina Kunkel, Pierce DeCorey, DeCoursey, DeCorky. Doug Mace sent a message because he had to change his page around. Don't fucking apologize to us. Thank you for wanting to give us a second. Yeah. And you want to give us a dime. We appreciate it. Can't wait to see you in Philly, Doug. No doubt. Craig McGeechan or in D.C., whichever one you want to give us a dime, we appreciate it. Can't wait to see you in Philly, Doug. No doubt. Craig McGeechan, or in D.C., whichever one you're coming to.

Wherever you want to go. Jeff, with no last name. Jamie Finch. David Wilson. Rob Roberts. Dita Vasquez. Catherine Morales. Shelley Warners.

Lauren Demerath in Chicago. Thank you. Michael Hester. Ariana Folsom, up there in L.A., I think. Or San Diego. She's in California. One of the California. Southern California somewhere. And Colleen, holy fuck, am I really going to?

C-S-C-Z, no. S-Z-C-Z-Y-B-O-R. C-Z-B-O-R? C-Z-B-O-R. Colleen? C-Z-B-O-R? Colleen? Because sometimes all those letters are really easy.

Like, it sounds like it's like a shh or something. It's definitely Colleen C. Or Colleen S. Colleen S. We thank you, Colleen. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you, guys.

We cannot thank you enough for everything that you do for us. We really cannot do any of this shit without you, honestly. You keep everything going. You keep the train moving. You keep the coal shoveling. And we appreciate the shit out of it. Honestly, guys, thank you so much. And, Jimmy, what if they wanted to thank you how could they do that you can find me at wisman sucks w-h-i-s-m-a-n sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat and thank you guys so much

this whole week has been fucking incredible uh and if you're in the gulf coast or or on the east coast get the fuck out if they tell you don't be like my dad please leave and just fucking we we need every last one of you yeah don't be like my dad please leave and just fucking we we need every last one yeah yeah don't be like my dad he's gonna end up riding through a fucking hurricane and oh the harley with my stepmother on the back like a fucking lunatic just fucking no helmet just fucking going if you want to tell james to get out where do they tell you to find me at jimmy p is funny you could uh tweet me and tell me to tell my father to get the hell out of the way of the oncoming storm or you can uh just copy and paste my last name from the show description.

Don't try to be a hero because you will misspell it. It's true. And if you don't, good for you. Good job. That said, it's been a crazy one. And you know it's crazy every single week. Right. And it will continue to be crazy.

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