Crime in Sports - #133 - That's a Lot Of Murder - The Inordinateness of Anthony Smith

Episode Date: October 1, 2018

This week, we look at a man that overcame the odds of a tough upbringing, to make it all the way to the top! The problem is that he seemed to want to be a criminal, even though he didn't have to be. While looking for a little excitement, after retirement, he falls in with some gangsters, resulting in some of the most brutal behavior in CIS history. It's murder & mayhem, this week... Enjoy!!Mentor inner city youth, marry a woman who dated Rick James, and be a part of a crime syndicate that heartlessly tortures, and murders people!! It's Anthony Smith!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We'll say, God, this is a crazy ass story, too. Normally, when we do these stories, like I'm looking over them a lot and the notes I take and all that shit. Like I can pretty much the notes are for dates and times and people's last names and shit like that and like cities and stuff. But like I pretty much could say it from memory. tell the story you could tell us by the way everybody people have asked if people thought this was going to be oj because i said a murdering football player this week uh it's not oj and they said people were saying oh they said they'd never do oj yeah we

are going to do oj but we're going to do it differently than anything else it's going to be very interesting it's going to be oj from memory literally i've watched james is gonna tell the story yeah that's stuck in his fucking head i've watched the whole trial i've watched everything i've watched every bit of oj there is to know about oj i've seen every stitch of video on it and everything and i'm gonna do oj for memory and the good news is i remember scary because i was going on i was on my way to blockbuster video uh that's how long ago it was that you know it was the 90s yeah i was on my way to blockbuster Video. That's how fucking long ago it was. That's how you know it was the 90s. Yeah. I was on my way to Blockbuster Video in a truck that looked exactly like a Ford Bronco. Perfect. It was a Dodge Ram Charger.

Same time? Right. We were heading to there, and then I heard it on the radio. That's perfect. And then we got home, and he was in his driveway at the time, and then I didn't give a fuck because I had whatever new video. I think it was NBA Live 95? Was that around then?

Live 95. Was it then? 94, yeah, it would have came out came out live 95 one of the all-time best sega genesis fucking great game amazing all the players gym it was something for sega let's hope it was live 95 so i watched that all that rookie class was awesome and then my uh junior year of high school they interrupted class yeah mine too tell us uh somebody stood on a chair and like read out like orenthal james i'm like who i was like oh oh yeah mine was uh my english teacher in eighth period got a got a phone on

the school like classroom phone she got a phone like from the office like they put out a phone call to all the classrooms literally she picked it up she's like okay and she guys do you guys want to know we're like fuck yeah we want to know are you shitting me and she was like pissed off about it too wow she was a white lady. She wasn't happy at all about the outcome of this shit. And she was like, said it through clenched teeth, not guilty. And I would say 96% of the class broke out in cheers because we were just teenagers. Like, yeah, fuck everybody.

Yeah. Those motherfuckers don't need heads. Like, we weren't thinking, you know, we weren't thinking in terms of, you know, what's right and wrong. Justice. We were like, yeah, stick it to the man. Like, O oj was the man you know what i mean like that's the thing like he needed to be at the time it was funny that it that he got off you know yeah as sad as that was and it's all fred goldman's fault i blame him for everything his fucking novelty mustache

yeah fred goldman was so fucking obnoxious you have to be a special level of obnoxious to turn people against you after your child's been murdered for no reason viciously vicious for nothing that they did themselves they didn't weren't like you know they weren't a drug deal gone bad or anything like that he's a sweetheart yeah he's just some fucking you know aspiring sunglasses aspiring actor model waiter guy who was just yeah he wasn't returning but still i don't we don't know anything about that but still that goddamn he had him he did have him one thing i have to say though about fred goldman is this is and this is a quick sidetrack we apologize for the oj stuff but imagine this okay you're fred

goldman your son is an aspiring model actor he's a waiter at some place at a high class place you get a phone call saying your son's been murdered yeah which is weird already because he's not but it's la it's a big city and that shit happens and you go okay that's fine then they go yeah we think oj simpson did it what the imagine you're for my son doesn't even know oj oj simpson how why would what? Wait a second. Nordberg killed my kid? Is he pestering him for an autograph? Why would he kill him? How the fuck did that happen?

Yeah, because you'd say he doesn't know OJ Simpson. How would they fucking cross paths? They're 20 years difference in age. There's no, they have no paths that should cross to where he would murder him. Do they get in a bar fight? What the fuck is going on? Somehow it did. So odd.

So strange. So strange. So let's get to our subject of the day here. It is Anthony Wayne Smith. Anthony Smith, he is a Raider defensive lineman. Okay. LA slash Oakland Raider defensive lineman. He played both. And a bad, bad guy.

Really? Just an awful, an undisputedly awful man. Did he play in both cities? Yeah, he played in both cities. He was drafted in LA and then they moved back to Oakland. He wasn't earlier when they were in Oakland and they moved to LA

because some of the guys are like that. That's my favorite Broncos shirt. The one that says, fuck LA, fuck Oakland, fuck LA. Or was it? No, it goes backward. Yeah, they go Oakland, LA, Oakland. That one.

Fuck Oakland, then it has that crossed off. Then it says LA, then it has that crossed off, then it says Oakland. It says fuck Las Vegas. Now fuck Las las vegas wherever they're duluth or wherever they're going to who cares fuck iowa falls man the iowa falls raiders fuck sioux falls fuck all the fall fuck them fuck cheyenne yeah so uh anthony smith born june 28th 1967 yeah in Elizabeth City North Carolina okay now here's the thing okay he he tells some tales when he first first gets drafted sports writers talk to him and they want to know

his background and shit so he just makes shit up really uh yeah he he just tells to make his life interesting he tells crazy childhood stories, and I think a lot of it has to do with it was like 1991, and he was playing for the Raiders. And have you ever seen the 30 for 30 documentary that Ice Cube made about the Raiders and the whole, if you've seen straight out of... There was a certain vibe in that whole time period

of just shit was a little volatile, and you wanted to have a little edge to you. And that's what people were doing, reinventing edge to you and you know that's what people were doing reinventing themselves with an edge and that's what he was trying to do like like a rapper would do yeah and the Raiders kind of sucked a little bit then yeah they weren't they weren't great they weren't great Bo Jackson

yeah this was the right Bo Jackson got hurt in the 90 playoffs yeah so that was right then and then yeah it's not not great so so the so in that time you've got it if you don't if you want to make they were terrible right and for a long fucking time alan who just wanted to leave and went to kansas city after that and the bad jay schrader todd marinovich fucking uh quarterback carousel that they had like 10 years yeah vince evans coming in at 44 years old every

once in a while jesus so if you want to if you want to stand out on that team and you had a good childhood and there was nothing really to speak of that was different well maybe you make up a story especially if you're a psychopath he made up a lot of stories and his stories weren't even like fit like he just said he was from a different place that he wasn't even from like it wasn't just like yeah when i was a kid this happened it was like i'm from here and it's like no he's from there he tells everyone that he was raised in new york and belonged to a street gang called the block the block sorry the street gang called the black spades which is uh equally a good name for a street gang and what my grandfather would call black people so it's it's redundant racist yeah well yeah it's racist and also pretty fucking cool at the same time.

If I was a black guy and I wanted to be in like a 70s street gang or some shit, I would want to be a black spade. That sounds awesome. And you're switching it up and you're stealing that racist term from white people. That's what I mean. It sounds pretty cool. Like, yeah, motherfucker, that's cool as shit. Yeah, I think Estevez Jones was a member of the black spades in the 1974 film. I don't even know.

I can't remember the film name. Black spades upon us. Black spades. the 1974 film. I don't even know. I can't remember the film name. Black Spades Upon Us. Black Spades. Or something. Enter the black spade. Enter the spade. Yeah, that's what it was.

Enter the blackness. So he said when he was eight years old, eight now, eight. That's pretty young. He said that he and three friends stole a car and crashed it and two of his friends died at eight. Two small children died in a car wreck that he was driving.

Yeah, they're driving a 79 Monte Carlo, a super sport, though. It's a nice one. And he just said he took it right into an embankment, and then two little children are dead. Tragic, Jimmy. I think that'd be in the paper. That's pretty tragic. I would hope so. I don't care how bad of a neighborhood it is.

When four eight-year-olds steal a Monte Carlo and two of them die, that's in the paper. Somebody's going to talk about that. No matter how bad of a neighborhood it is. They weren't out. Yeah. So that was one of his stories. He also said that his drug use was epic, according to him. When he was eight?

As a child. No, Jimmy, eight. When he was nine. It's true. I swear to Christ. When he was nine. Nine. He says at nine years old, he started using heroin, cocaine, PCP, LSD, and speed.

In New York. All of them at nine. Well, you got to flush out the memory of those two dead friends, Jimmy. You've killed two young children in a car wreck already. Who is he telling this to? What are you going to do? Well, he's telling this to a sports reporter. He's telling this to people with pens and paper and ways of checking shit out.

Yeah, that's what he's telling this to people with pens and paper and and ways of checking shit out and yeah that's what he's telling we're likely gonna call his mom and go why weren't you watching him when he was eight and nine stealing cars and cars killing people hard drugs hard drugs that's the thing we're not talking he wasn't doing no fucking uh smoking weed he wasn't just like yeah i stole some wine for my grandma and you know i had a couple sips. He said he was not only not only was doing was like really into heroin, cocaine, PCP and LSD and speed. Right. Because sometimes the coke, you know what I mean, is a little expensive. So he went with something dirty. He didn't give a shit.

Un-fucking-real, dude. And he had a problem. He had the balance. Well, that was the thing. Well, like I said, the thought. At nine, he was a chemist. Well, yeah. Well, the thought of those two dead children bouncing around and said, he knows he did

it. He's guilty at nine. You know, he's works down at the factory. It's a tough life at nine. I pictured him covered in soot. Yeah. Just covered in soot from he's a chimney sweep. The guilt with dead racked with guilt.

Yeah, that's that's that's the problem. He's right. And he it's it's. But in reality, he was actually raised in Elizabeth City, North Carolina. Not even New Jersey. North Carolina, which is not anywhere near there. That's a small coastal and river town. It's a solid day drive away.

Yes, surrounded by farmland. This is nothing like what he said. But he sounded a lot more interesting. I mean, the sports writers were probably eating that shit up yeah eight years old huh wow that sounds great anthony because i'm sure for them that they're like this is great stuff you turned it around by 12 this is amazing stuff and now you're here wow from all that from being addicted to heroin at fucking nine now you're here that's great and i have to give a lot of credit, by the way, for this story to GQ magazine, actually, of oddest of all places. Writer named Kathy Dobie, D-O-B-I-E.

This person killed it writing a very, very, very thorough article on him. Kind of before the end, but encompasses most of the details. And really just did an amazing job. Super thorough. And I got a lot of the facts of the case and of his background from this person's amazing reporting. Way to go, Kathy. Way to go, Kathy.

Way to go, GQ Magazine. I have to give them their credit because I couldn't have this story without this article. It was that in-depth that I couldn't find shit anywhere else. So he also says that his brother died of a heroin overdose. That was another thing he's like yeah man we were all shooting up so now he's got these dead kids on his conscience and his dead brother just od in front of him yeah you know they were sitting there just wrapped up in the 11 years old veins popping and just yeah just like oh man he did all right fuck i better play

football and put this all behind me uh but no he's raised in this in a farm uh child oh he's just an only child upper middle class uh yeah his grandmother was in it was the attorney general of north carolina he wasn't she wasn't at all uh nothing like that happening but it wasn't a bad place it was uh it was a place small town everybody knew each other in the article they talk about uh everyone knowing you and your cousin's cousin is how they describe this place. Okay. So when you come from a place like that, it's best to just tell people that that's where you're from. That's it.

You get from a small town in North Carolina. Cool. Somebody's got a journal somewhere. Awesome. Now you're here. Right. Which is also a great story. You're from a small town in the middle of nowhere and you made it all the way to the NFL. It's an amazing story.

And you're playing in L.A. and you're making lots of money. Wow. Good for you. I like that story better than I like the heroin story. Yeah. Yeah. But that heroin story where that pops off the page, he was eight and nine and that's really a good story. That story walks.

It's got some legs, boy. I'll tell you. You read that and you're going, oh, this guy, I don't know. You're interested in the defensive lineman now. All of a sudden. You know, he's killed two of his friends and his brother. Wow. This is amazing. lineman now all of a sudden you know he's killed two of his friends and his brother wow this is

amazing uh in reality his mother was a woman named naomi who was a severe alcoholic drank way way too much uh apparently everybody said that she died when he was about three uh her from some sort of liver failure just overwhelming amounts of alcohol killed her. Now, there's a problem also. We don't know if he's Anthony Wayne Smith Jr. because we have no fucking idea who his father is. Wow. So he never knew who his father was, and he had a mother that was an alcoholic and dead by three.

But his name is Jr. No, his name isn't a junior. He could be. We have no fucking idea. He definitely displays junior behavior. We'll say that much. And panhandle behavior, for that matter. But besides that, this is like a weird small-town murder case.

It's that sort of thing. But yes, so he was kind of stuck, if you're three. I mean, this story is just as harrowing as the other one. I don't know why you wouldn't just tell this. You've got no parents. Yeah, you have no parents. This is insane. This is a great story. I don't know. Maybe that's why he made up any story he wanted to, because there's no way. I think you have no parents. Your mother. This is a this is a great story. Like if you I don't know, this is that's why he made up his any story he wanted to because

there's no way I think it's less. And yeah, he might have felt embarrassed about his mom because some people, you know, he might have felt like he didn't want anybody to know about that or a nine year old car stealing heroin addict. That's better. That has murdered his two friends accidentally, accidentally. Oh, and his brother. Don't forget about his vehicular manslaughter. Well brother don't forget about his vehicular man

slaughtered well don't forget about his brother i'm sure he gave his brother the uh uncut yeah he gave him the pure shit it was too much he couldn't take it his brother was only 11 jimmy it's had his brother doing lines yeah shooting his little 11 year old veins he couldn't fucking handle it and so you gotta snort some too that's what you do you do both here son of a preacher man on the radio yeah that's how it works so yeah, they don't know who his father was. At the time, his mother was living with a man named James Gallop. And people referred to James Gallop as his father, as his stepfather. But they're pretty sure that wasn't his real father.

That's all they know. He was just like the guy hanging around. Everybody says he was a very mean guy, not a good guy. Gallup. Yeah, the stepfather. An old family friend said, quote, he'd smile at you and cut you at the same time. About Gallup. Yeah.

We're going to refer to the article. We'll just use what the article refers to him as. The article refers to him as Brian through the whole thing. Gallup? No, no, no. The guy, the old family friend that he's known since he was a kid that has a lot of background information. So we'll just use the same name they do here. But this Brian guy says this James Gallup was an awful, awful guy.

One time when James Gallup thought Naomi was was cheating on him. And this is maybe why she drank a lot, possibly because she was in a horrible situation like this. This Gallup picked her up and set her down on the wood-burning stove to brand her. Oh, my God, to brand her. To brand her ass and legs and whatever the fuck hit the wood-burning stove.

That's not branding. That's just burning the whole flat area of the backside. That's just being a fucking monster, I would say. Oh, my God. So this is a bad example, I would think, to set.

I mean, Anthony, from zero to three, this happened. So I'm sure, I don't know if he remembers this or whatever. But still, this is the environment he's growing up in, which is fucking crazy right there. Finally, Naomi dies at three. Anthony's got an older half-brother named Donald. Naomi dies when he's three. When Anthony's three. Yeah, not when James is.

She was going out with a three-year-old who was super abusive. Total dick. He was also heroin PCP. You know what? He killed four other babies in a car accident. If he's on heroin at nine, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a mom at three. This story? Shrug.

Who the fuck knows? Who knows? You just go, I don't know. Maybe. That's possible. Apparently, his older brother's much, much older. He's late teens when Anthony's a small child. So there's a small child so there's

a big age difference there uh this is donald the older older brother uh donald uh ends up kicking james gallop out of the house once naomi dies because he's an abusive asshole and if the mother's not there hey we don't really need you anymore fuck him uh fuck him so uh donald ends up taking care of anthony the older brother so he's got a dead mother no father and being taking care of Anthony, the older brother. So he's got a dead mother, no father, and being taken care of by a teenage brother. So like I said, this story is just as incredible. If the end didn't happen, if the horrible things that he ends up doing didn't happen, this would be an amazing tale. This would just be a heartwarming tale.

You'd be like, wow, look at you good for you kid you persevered and you got out of this and you made life better for yourself yeah this is like the fuck rudy yeah this this is a some sort of amazing success at least rudy had a mom like family support and shit this guy had nothing so this would be an amazing story but he definitely fucks it all up hard. So Donald at the time says that he everybody says that Donald was a tough guy, too, was hard and mean and tough, but still took care of the brother and had some sort of compassion for him. But everybody said that that he was a tough fucking guy. I mean, to be able to kick the mother's violent boyfriend out, you have to be, as like a teenager, you have to be like a sturdy person.

You're not soft or whatever. So for him to be raising him, they said that Donald was, quote, hot-tempered and ill-humored, is what people call him. So not a fun guy, Donald, but imagine the life he came up with. That's a good kid to raise a child. Yeah his mom's gone i imagine the horrible life donald had later i like but well the mother was alive and with who knows how many different people and alcoholism and abuse and i he's seen horrible shit here uh but donald was also a really hard worker i mean for him to

be a little violent and have like a shit attitude is completely understandable he had a fucking horrible life so uh but he ends up later on ends up working for ups the brother donald uh he becomes a deputy sheriff what and then a magistrate what and uh yeah he he ends up being successful he ended up having a very respectable life and career and pulling himself out of the muck and the mire here which is amazing pretty yeah that's what i mean this is a goddamn success story and then it's not now later on anthony would tell people that donald used to hit him when he was a young kid so i mean he was hit by his brother donald which didn't they put it as like not a big deal he's like yeah he used to hit me and shit but like that was what everybody did according to his friend brian here uh they they

all did it back then. He says, he says, quote, that whole generation of men, they were all angry. For them, it was better to be mad than happy. They couldn't communicate and they didn't know how to fix problems in a simple, civilized way. Oh, they like to shine on each other. That's what we called it down south. Acting like the good guy, like everything in their life was going well, even if they were coming home and beating their kids, which they were. The guy went on to say that shining was an art down there.

It's called a shiner. Yeah, it's called a shiner. Shining in the north would be, he gave me shiners. He came home and beat his whole family. But down there, that means you're shining on them. I'm just shining. I'm making everybody think everything's fine while I'm beating my wife and kids. I'm like, okay.

He really loves them. This is like where we're absent of southern southern culture we're like i don't fucking know that sounds awful they're just everybody acts fine i guess that's just you know pretty much like uh what priests do or the molesting priests or people like that i think that's what that's just shining. They're just shining. An eight-year-old's pole. The Catholic Church's official position this week in the court for being the United States District Court in the Southern District of New York.

Their official defense is, we was just shining. I'm not sure that's going to work. Pastor O'Leary's direct quote, we was shining, y'all. We was shining, y'all. We was shining, y'all. Which is odd, because he's from Ireland. He's a very Irish man.

It's strange that he's, whatever. I don't know. So he plays, Anthony plays at Northeastern High in Elizabeth, North Carolina. Zero other pro players went there. Normally we do a high school. It's like, hey, this guy who played, nobody else ever played there. It's a tiny school in a tiny place. Is it Elizabeth, North Carolina?

North Carolina, yeah. So it's not like Elizabeth Town or anything like that. No, no, it's just Elizabeth, North Carolina, which makes you think of Elizabeth, New Jersey, which is what I thought of. And I wrote NJ instead of NC like 15 times. No, fucking idiot. But he thought, I mean, football was obviously the thing for him.

I mean, even in high school, he's goddamn six foot four. He's, you know, 275 pounds and he's super athletic. He wore glasses as a teenager and was a little nerdy. Like he didn't figure out that he was like this giant athletic person yet as a teen. A lot of people don't. They'll they still you know, it takes a while to grow into that i'm just oozing with jealousy being that big and athletic and athletic and everything else i had all the other holdbacks of being a dorky fuck with glasses except the giant part of it and athletic giant athletic part would have been nice except for except for for

where everyone picked you first in basketball. Everything minus that part of it. I think we all had that. I guess he was trying to be like everybody else. He wanted to be one of the guys and just kind of blend in. But when you're the biggest, he was like the biggest kid in school. When you're the biggest, most giant kid and you don't really blend in. So that was difficult for him. His friend said he wasn't even aware that he

was a better athlete than everybody else and like that kind of shit he just wasn't he had no idea it wasn't self-aware it's just this giant kid that wanted to fit in with that and they said he had he did everything well it wrestled he played basketball football and he was always like the best one without trying fucking he just that guy that guy. He wasn't really into football, as a matter of fact, until his junior year. And that's when he started, he found working out and got into that, just threw himself into working out. So you have a naturally huge athletic kid that's now discovered that he wants to be a workout fiend. So, you know, good things are going to happen for him at this point, athletically, I would imagine. Again, this is, we're both, like I said like i have no connection to this at all great yeah what a life tell me how you just dick is and how every chick wanted to fuck him as a matter of fact uh

it says here uh 17 inches jimmy actually set a north american world record and i'm just kidding not just north carolina no no north american north american actually it was in the lawsuit for just shining that i was that's how i got the number he lettered in giant dick he lettered in he had a c on his shirt it was an e for elizabeth town and then a c for cockmaster for cocksman cockslinger so uh he's even fast that's the other thing too like he's not just a big schlub like he's an athlete he's fast and uh you know the other thing, too. He's not just a big schlub. He's an athlete. He's fast. And the coaches are excited as they watch him. They're like, holy shit, we ain't never seen nothing like that before. We are going to exploit this boy as far as we possibly can.

He's going to pay so many mortgages for me. Forget about it. I'm going to get money from a college so they can just talk to him because I'm going to be in charge of the recruiting process. That's how this is going to work. His high school career is going to pay for my mortgage. Then my lake house, forget it. That's college.

And my retirement fund is coming with that pro money. Those big colleges, they know how that works. All of his coaches, they had the same words for him. And this article describes that every coach said the same thing. These four words came up a lot. Enthusiastic, courteousteous earnest and voluble so he was just a nice guy voluble yeah or valuable voluble what the fuck does that word mean i have no fucking idea about voluble i know know. Let's just look at it in context.

If it's enthusiastic, courteous, earnest and voluble, I'm assuming it means it's somewhere between courteous and earnest. Let's say it's in there. It's in the it's in that wheelhouse. I'm going to go. I wouldn't think it would be. He's enthusiastic, courteous, earnest and a pedophile. I don't think that's all.

I don't think we're going to put all those in there together. So, voluble is good. Holy Christ, I just had a tingle in my balls, and it hurts so bad right now. That's amazing. It feels like I just tore my scrotum. Wow. That's a compliment. I always said in stand-up, I want to kill a man.

I want a heart attack to happen. Sorry, people who died. That would be a compliment to me. But I just destroyed a nutsack, which is making me happy. Oh, man. Jimmy's poor nutsack. I apologize. Every laugh, it pulsates.

Jesus. I think my sack is doing kegels right now. It's pulsating my sack. What is happening? Oh, my God. I think I need a voluble doctor. You need a voluble amount of medical attention. A guy who's somewhere between courteous and earnest because he's going to be able to hold your balls.

So we want courteous to be in there. Oh, good Christ. I think that's injury. I think that's what that is. We just gave Jimmy a laughing hernia. That's when you know you're getting old when laughing can injure you. Yeah. That used to be fun.

Now you're like, I don't know if I go out tonight and laugh. I don't know if I got that in me. Oh, it stings so bad. This show is dangerous. know if i got that in me oh it stings so bad this show is dangerous see that's why patreon.com slash crime and sports because talk about putting yourself on the line you never know and now jimmy's got to play injured now he's got to go in there his nutsack hurt and he's got to finish it out he's going to be laughing he's like a quarterback with a separated shoulder he's going to get hit again he's going to fall but he's staying in the fucking game i'm earl thomas at this second he's

earl thomas well he got carted off he didn't stay in the game no he didn't he couldn't maybe his leg was but i'm close i'm right there that's right it's close this is worse it could be worse one more hit his his his defensive line coach anthony's defensive line coach in high school is a guy named david brinson he says quote i don't want to say the wrong thing. He was a super good guy. He just did things a little differently. He did things Anthony Smith's way. I don't remember him not getting along with anyone. I mean, he'd walk up to you and start talking to you about anything.

He just, he liked to be where he was. I don't know what he liked to be where he was means. That's the Brady Bunch quote. Wherever you go there, you are. I've never heard that he just liked to be he just liked to be where he was i don't know what the fuck that means sir what the fuck are you talking about he made up the word voluble i think he did yeah all the coaches

they were like that boy voluble and they're like yeah he is i heard he said voluble i'm just gonna play along like i know what that shit means because he meant value i don't want to look like some ass we're to look stupid now. We need to know the meaning of fucking words. If he knows it, we should know it. I don't want to admit that I don't know it because I will look stupid like a guy that makes a podcast. Like a guy who hurts his nutsack laughing during a podcast. So they said also he didn't really have any close friends on the team he was you know sociable

and he'd go in like he said and talk to people but he liked to be where he was and that was it i mean that's he just liked to be whatever and didn't really have any close friends he just kind of fit in uh one time he said uh at home it was kind of rough because his brother was you know coming into his own and having having a life and you know he wasn't ready he wasn't settling down with the family he was a you know kid in his 20s who was raising a teenager so he said uh anthony once said that donald quote had a life of his own to live but what i uh what i needed was to be a son to somebody so he's a kid in search of a father and a role model and uh you know he doesn't know his dad

obviously and he's got his brother here so and his brother's doing his own shit and it's his brother so he's not going to treat him like his son he's going to treat him like his brother and so it's he's looking for more that quote stings that's a tough one yeah that's a nutsack i needed to be a son to somebody yeah that is brutal that'll heal your nutsack that's so not that's very much like like i felt that so much when I was a kid. When I was a kid, I watched Tombstone, obviously. There was one quote in that movie that stuck with me so hard. I think I already talked about it.

Which one? The one that when they're on the river and Wyatt has a shootout. And then at the end. No. No, no, no. Doc's lying on the fixing his horse and they go, why are you doing this? And he said, because Wyatt Earp's my friend. And they go, yeah, hell, I got lots of friends. And then he goes, I, no. Doc's lying on the fixing his horse and they go, why are you doing this? And he said, because Wyatt Earp's my friend. And they go, yeah, hell, I got lots of friends. And then he goes, I don't. I don't. Yeah, that's a good life. So poignant.

That's my guy right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly how I feel. That's a good guy, Doc Holliday. Yeah. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face.

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I saw, never mind. I saw a thing about Doc Hollywood the other night too, and I was thinking about it. I love Doc Hollywood. It's such a great movie. We've talked about it a hundred times times on the show what did you see about it's so good uh i don't even fucking remember jesus i don't remember what now i want to know what it was i don't remember god damn it that's a that's a tough one but so he's looking for this father figure and what he finds is a college coach perfect these guys are kind guys are kind of, they're almost like pastors leading one of these mega churches. Like, that's what they are.

They're not just football coaches. Like, you're not going to get Bill Belichick to coach a college team. Him going out there going, yeah, we're going to play Georgia Tech next week and hopefully we'll win. I don't know. Next question. You need Joel Osteen out there calling him a faggot. He played well. Next question. You need Joel Osteen out there calling him a faggot. He played well. Next question.

That doesn't fly because you need it's a show. You need the boosters to be donating alumni to be putting it in. And it's you got to be, you know, be bopping and scatting all over the place if you want to be a college coach and get some dough from people. So, yeah, these guys are salesmen. And so a lot of times that they that's how they sell recruits. If that's what they sense of that's what they're looking for, a father figure, then they're going to be that father figure. Absolutely. That's what ends up happening here with Ray Perkins.

He recruits him to Alabama, which is a huge program for a kid from a small town in North Carolina. You're going to go to the Crimson Tide. That's kind of a big deal here. If you're not from America, you don't understand college football. Apparently, everybody says he kept to himself a lot at Alabama and didn't hang around with too many other players. Which to me sounds reasonable. That's your guy. That's my guy.

Yeah. I've never been in a group of 50 people who I agree with everybody with and I want to hang out with and I think everyone's got a good personality. It doesn't work like that. I like three of them. The rest of them are douchebags. Let's all go get fro-yo together. No, I don't want to. You go get fro-yo and we'll get ice cream and make fun of your fro-yo eating asses.

Fucking douches. So yeah, that's... That's perfect. That's you in a nutshell. Yeah, I'm not cut out for the football culture it's like how we found each other in comedy and so we don't like a lot of people oh you neither yeah really wow great tell me why he slided you tell me why he slided you yes fuck that guy indeed and him and him and her and that guy too all right and then here we are

some years later let's make a podcast let's make a podcast where we pick a guy and make fun of him so we've really honed our fucking blade here and gotten it sharp this is all we've been doing so wow that's really that's really disturbing uh everybody said he had better manners than everybody else but that's kind of a southern thing i think too i think that's just he's just shining right that's all it is he's just shining that's just indoctrinated where you're from that's it i love this now whenever any of these athletes are full of shit whenever they're saying anything i'm gonna just say oh he's just shining that's all from now on that's that's gonna be our term for any sort of fuckery is gonna be just just shining i like it uh he says that

one of his teammates says that uh that a lot of the guys found him intimidating and he couldn't exactly figure out why the guy says quote if you looked at him there was just something which didn't click right which he's huge and kind of quiet and he's got a little bit even if he's like kind of a wise ass which that can be taken completely wrong if you're enormous. That can be taken as a frightening, menacing thing rather than if it's you, it's sort of endearing. Mike Singletary tells me a joke. You're laughing. Whether I like it or not, there's a giggle coming.

That's going to be funny. That's a terrifying man. It could have anything in it. It could be about beating your wife. It could have the N-word in it. You'd be like, that's a great joke, Mike. Hilarious. I'll have a good one.

Take it easy. I'll see you later. They said, and this I relate to and you relate to. He says, quote, he would crack one of his dark little jokes that only a couple guys found funny and then he would fall silent. Yeah. That's us. That's us. I'm in.

This guy, maybe he's just in the wrong field. He should have been a comedian, I feel like. It's probably true. he's just in the wrong field right he should have been a comedian i feel like he would have been great at it and he would have yeah just a couple guys dark little who you you his he's not for the mass audience i get it is there a black comic that does dark jokes uh yeah i assume i mean i don't know all of the black comics, but yeah, I get what you're saying. Dark in terms of tone, not in terms of tone. Yeah, I get you. I get what you're saying. Is there a black Anthony Jeselnik?

That's what I mean. I'm sure. If there's not, fucking somebody aim at that target, because you can hit it. I don't keep up with everybody because I hate comedy, but yeah, you could do it. That's your niche. I don't know of one. I haven't heard of one well we'll find out if he could have crushed it you know what this story isn't over jimmy he might have played some football realized that athletics weren't for him right gone to you know an open mic night and next thing you know this could end with you know he was

doing the tonight show it was just on fallon recently we don't know patrice died and you don't know there you go open the door he kicked it right open and here he came yeah that's what it was so uh his teammate here said quote he would create a significant amount of angst just sitting there not saying anything it was like going up to a dog and the dog is super beautiful sweet looking wagging its tail and it's acting really friendly but there's just something the dog. You worry one day he's going to bite your hand. So he's an unstable dog is what he's been called. He's a rescue pit. Yeah, he's a rescue pit, but he's shining, so it's okay.

And he's got a good five. He's got a solid five that he could throw up in an open mic night on the offensive line. He's got a solid five and an unbelievable 40. Unbelievable 40. This kid's a unicorn. He's doing great. He's playing defensive line, by the way, this giant son of a bitch here.

So people are worried about him. 86, he's on Alabama. Alabama is this time he's a freshman, so he doesn't play very much. Mike Shula is the quarterback, son of legendary Dolphin coach Don Shula and failed coach in numerous nfl cities and i believe he's coaching in a college somewhere somewhere in the southeast i want to say coordinating i believe yeah i will somewhere in the sec or one of those places a net full of balls yeah for four months you know he does that also on this team is howard cross the uh best known as

the other giant tight end when mark bavaro was there, the guy who doesn't drag five people off of him when he runs down the field. So he didn't get a lot of credit in the late 80s. The guy good for a five-yard dump off. That's it, yeah, if they're distracted by Bavaro or somebody else. So Cornelius Bennett also on the team. Long time, really, really good Bills, I believe, linebacker. I think that's true. Was he 56?

56. 55 was Conlon. Wow. Okay, that goes back. Anyway, yeah. 57. No, 56 was Talley. 57 was Cornelius Bennett.

55 was Shane Conlon, if I'm not mistaken. You're really good at the Bills defense. That's ridiculous. Because I can only pick Andre Reid. Same team same team though right yes if you take like any like a 1990 for some reason when i was 12 i must have just i don't know what i must have went like completely my brain fucking just attached itself to football that year because i remember every player on every roster their numbers their stat it's a weird and I can't get rid of it. I've tried.

I need the room. Trust me. And I can't fucking get rid of it. It's stuck there. If I could be wrong on all those things, but I believe that's what it was. Believe. Even still, it's pretty impressive that a child can memorize that, not just memorize it, but then an adult that was that child can recall it.

I have weird memory things like that. It's just focus. You have hyper focus. That's why the research is so good on these. I'm weird. That's what it is. Just say it. You're a weird dude.

So you're an odd fucking bird. You're a very strange duck. I am a strange duck. So I was a fun kid, as you might imagine. Well, you got webbed feet. Just get in the water. You're the weird duck that walks around the pond. I don't know about this.

Doesn't go in the water. If everybody's in the pond, something must be wrong with it. There must be something good out here, and I'm the only one who's going to find it. So let me check around first. That's you. That's me. All right. So that year, Alabama 10-3, which is good. They're good for ninth in the AP poll, which is pretty decent there. 10 all right. So that year, Alabama 10 and three, which is good.

They're good for a ninth in the AP poll, which is pretty decent. Ten and three. Ten and three. And they go to the Sun Bowl. Yeah. Fucking whatever. Yeah. In the sun somewhere.

Somewhere sunny. I assume it's not. Maybe it's probably outdoors. Yeah. I figure just an outdoor turf state. One of those college turf sun. It's not in Washington. No, it's in Texas or Florida. I figure just an outdoor turf state, one of those college turf sun. It's not in Washington. No, it's in Texas or Florida.

Florida's got so many. They got a ton of them. And they deserve it. Yeah, they're fine. Take all the balls. Yeah. Take them all. You need them.

Yeah. Southern California, Florida, and Texas. Those are the big ones. Louisiana's not bad either. No, no. They have the cotton ball, and then there's the sugar ball down there. But those are all indoor. Right. So it doesn't matter.

So what's the point? They win 28-6 against Washington here in the Sun Bowl. 1987, Anthony's a backup. He's in and out of the lineup pretty much because he's a sophomore now, so he's trying to work his way in. The team goes 7-5 that year under under coach bill curry now ray perkins leaves okay this is a problem because that was his that's the reason he went there that's his guy that's his father figure it's the guy he latched himself onto this guy came into town you know with his

tent selling his fucking wares and anthony bought it into it and then he's like all right see you later now and he left town he's like what happened to jesus i need a refill on my snake oil oh oh i'm all out damn all out of snake oil shit so and also too is bill curry takes a team to seven and five record which is not wonderful for alabama that's not acceptable for alabama fans there and they end up going to the hall of fame bowl versus michigan uh but mich Michigan's a big opponent for them. Those are two big teams from different conferences, and they lose 28-24. So Alabama fans must have been fucking pissed. Furious. Furious right now.

Perkins left to go coach the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, which if you know anything about late 80s NFL, he did not do a good job whatsoever. But he probably didn't do well with a shit hand. You know what I mean? Oh, it was a terrible hand. But he had like Steve Young running around. I think he got traded to San Francisco for that season because that rookie year, Steve Young was in after he came from the USFL.

Terrible team around him. There's a highlight of him in the snow. They're on the road, Tampa, and their road unis were all white. They weren't the pewter. They were those peach and white ones, but the road jerseys were white. With the gay parrot. Yeah, that pirate was

aggressive. He had a knife in his mouth. He's like, we're going to do this. It's happening. It's an all-white uniform, and they're in the middle of a blizzard. It's the most saddest day ever for a quarterback because like they show on the camera you can't see his other players on the team like you can't see his receivers out there just so he's like i don't even know where the fuck to throw the helmets were white too everything on it was

and the color it wasn't even like they had like a crimson on there to make it pop it was fucking peach so it's just gone in a snowstorm so he didn't know where to throw and it was a mess so that's a bad then they got vinny testa verde which didn't go much better uh it was bad that poor guy probably has a fuckload of money though vinny testa verde as much as he just failed well if you've seen the broke documentary vinny testa verde does not have a lot of money really vinny testaverti got taken uh never mind that's bernie kosar okay testaverti's fine okay they look similar they had a similar career they had a similar type of thing vinny just played forever played

longer but bernie kosar's like dad took all his money and then he he vinny he's a poor the psychology behind bernie kosar if you watch this documentary you just want to hug the guy you just want to go i'm sorry brother come here just want to give him a hug and go it's gonna be all right man meanwhile sam bradford has done fucking nothing in the nfl he's made he's made 120 million dollars so much money for being so mediocre he just got drafted at the perfect time he his timing is impeccable is all it is he scored vaguely a few more touchdowns than me that's it and he has 120 million dollars jesus christ so perkins leaves to coach them and uh this is uh anthony's upset now about this so

he ends up transferring to the university of arizona so he transfers to u of a because he's pissed off at alabama yeah uh he majors in social and behavioral sciences uh when he goes to arizona i believe 88 was a red shirt was a transfer year and you have to sit out a year if you transfer, I believe. That makes sense. It's a good rule. I believe 88 because I couldn't find him on a roster in 88, and I believe that's probably why. But in 89, he goes to U of A. He does great.

He wins first team All-Pac-10 honors. He's really good. On that team, their quarterback's name was Ronald Veal. Yeesh. Ronald Veal. Like the meat. Yeah, like the meat. Exactly like the meat.

That is absolutely fucking horrific. Yeah. Ronald Veal. He's a god-awful quarterback with 13 touchdowns and 18 interceptions in his whole college career. So that tells you a lot about old Ronald Veal and how good the U of A team was back then. He's selling insurance for sure. Oh, you know he is. Ronald Veal, how you doing?

He's like Phil Ryerson in Groundhog's Day. Let me ask you something. Ned Ryerson. Is it Phil? Because Phil's in it. Phil, Phil. Ned, Ned, yeah. Jesus, I'm off.

Anyway. Ned? Ned? No, no, he says Phil. He's Phil. Phil. And he goes, Ned Ryerson.il ned ryerson i dated your sister that's the weirdest fucking way to introduce yourself remember when i put it in the funniest thing is that happened

to me one time when i was back in new york i ran into this guy who i knew vaguely and i was like hey what's up and the only like quick connection i could make the closest one is I took your sister to the prom. She was like, that's weird. I came on your sister's face. That did not happen, actually, with that at all. I tried to do something. For clarity's sake, that did not happen. I tried to do something terrible to your sister.

I did take her to the prom. That I did do. And I probably would have, I would have, I'm sure, done something, whatever terrible came up, I'm sure done something whatever terrible came up i'm sure so so uh ronald veal is in the same boat here he's going to make sure you're insured for such a such a thing now uh uh he anthony has 71 tackles and five sacks this year in college that's outstanding outstanding on an eight and four team uh they're 25th in the final ap poll so they make the top 25 arizona for once it's under coach dick tommy uh they go to the copper bowl how about that wow that's that in

arizona everybody no where is that why wouldn't they have the copper bowl here in this isn't one of the states the copper state arizona we're not the copper state are we think so are we really well we're the grand canyon we're the grand canyon, are we? I think so. Are we really? Well, we're the Grand Canyon State. We're the Grand Canyon State. Yeah, I don't think that. I think there's a. I don't know what the fuck the Copper. Is there a Copper State?

I don't know. God damn it. You know what, too? It doesn't. It's not like they're playing like Northern Arizona. So you can tell they're playing North Carolina State. So it could be anywhere in between that. We have no idea.

But they win in the Copper Bowl 17-10. Oh, boy. So a win for the U of A team. Anthony starts on the defensive line, obviously, from his stats. Now, his stats and the fact that he went to Alabama before, so he was on people's radar, does well in Arizona. This puts him on the NFL's radar as well. And April 22nd and 23rd of 1990 is the 1990 NFL draft,

which, like I said, this is probably the draft where I know it the best. I remember all the pro set football cards of the whole draft. And this guy's a draft. I know this is like I said, this is my year here. I know more about this than anything. April 22nd, 23rd, 90. It's at the Marriott Marquis in New York City on ESPN. This is before it was a big deal, too.

They just put it on at like eight in the morning. They didn't have like a primetime special. It's a big thing. It was. This was before it was a big deal too. They just put it on at like 8 in the morning. They didn't have like a prime time special. It's a big thing. It was. This was number one. It's a big deal for every kid that's about to get drafted and nobody else. And nobody else. Nobody else cared. It was just a kid in a bad suit making more money than you'll ever make. That's all it is.

That's all it was. Number one overall was Jeff George. We've talked about him. The disastrous. God, he had the greatest physical, just amazing arm. He's like a practically Dan Marino kind of arm. And just as such an asshole that even that couldn't make him a good quarterback. That's how much everyone hated him. He was a cocky dick.

Everyone that interacted with him said he's a piece of shit. Number two overall, Blair Thomas, the running back from Penn State. I remember he had a very mediocre career with the Jets because that's what the Jets did in the 90s. They turned anybody that was going to be anything into nothing. Squeezed the life out of him. Cortez Kennedy, number three overall. Then Keith McCants, who's also on that Broke documentary.

Is he really? Oh, yeah, talking about how broke he is. He sounds, allegedly, in my opinion, he looks like he's on a lot of painkillers in this documentary. He's slurring his speech. He's not holding his head up high. It's really weird.

Yeah, he talks about just, I bought a boat, and I bought two houses, and I bought this and bought that. It's like, why were you buying all that? Why are you buying multiple houses? How many houses can you live in? Buy one.

The only reason to buy a second house is when you're like i am just i don't know what to do with all this money i've had it for so long it's it's getting dusty i need to fucking spend it and i'm paying taxes on way too much i need something let me get some property yeah i'll pay taxes on that too cushion at least it might appreciate right in value so that's yeah keithants. Junior Seau, number five overall. So you got McCants and you could have had Seau. I didn't realize he went that far down. Yeah, that's how inept the Buccaneers were. They wanted a linebacker, so they got Keith McCants instead of Junior Seau,

who's a fucking all-everything Hall of Famer. Number six overall was Mark Carrier, the nasty, nasty free safety for the Bears. Number 20 for years. Fuck it, he hit an intercept. He was the nasty nasty free safety for the bears number 20 for years fuck it he hit an intercept he was a he was just a great free safety andre where number 70 uh lions quarterback who god he played for houston and had gaudy numbers houston on the college and then i think he had about eight snaps in the entire i remember as a kid being like play andre where i remember like you'd play like the madden game i put him in for the lines but he's gonna be good and then he never played ever and

i was didn't knew nothing so uh finally though number 11 overall uh only the second uh defensive lineman he's the first second defensive lineman taken is anthony smith really taken number 11 overall by the at the time Los Angeles Raiders. So to get drafted by the Raiders in 1990 gave you a certain thing too. A little swagger. A little swagger because the Raiders were like the, you know, they were, that's what

Dr. Dre would wear the hat of in a video until he switched to the white socks. But if it wasn't a socks hat, it was a Raiders cap for sure. All the guys in NWA had Raiders caps on. That was the bottom line here. So, yeah, he's only the second. The Ray Agnew was taken before him by the Patriots. Only the second defensive lineman taken.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, Cortez Kennedy was a defensive tackle. I'm a fucking moron. Anyway. As much as I loved Dr. Dre in NWA, I don't think I know why they went to the fucking Sox hat. Why did they do that? It was just Dre that went to the Sox hat. It did they do that? Well, it was just Dre that went to the socks hat. It was just a cool hat?

Is it just a choice? I think it was just different because everyone else had a Kings or Raiders hat. So he was like, socks hat's the same thing. It's black and white and it's different. And they had just changed that logos to make the black hat with the thing. So it made it kind of cool. Frank Thomas was a rookie then too. I wish he had had a conversation with you in 1990 and went with like some Negro League stuff oh yeah i could have turned them on to the newark eagles or some shit

like that yeah see all the hats i have so rad yeah he fucked it up come on and then they'd be like what is this hat you're wearing dr dre like some white story behind oh it's a negro league hat whereas me i'm just like it's a hat don't worry about it it makes like white interviewers so uncomfortable not being able to say it's a what and say it again what was that say that for me what was that again what league is that like that's what it's called in the hall of fame there's a big plaque what else there's nothing else you could call it you just can't call it anything else it's just what it was called they make you feel uncomfortable when you walk into a uh a hat's place though and i asked for

an negro league hat and the guy looked at me like i was a racist i was like i'm the racist you're the one that doesn't have the hat well what else not only that anything else if you call it something else it would be disrespectful what do you say you got into the black guy league hat no that's worse it's way worse you know what i'm saying have some respect for Satchel Paige pitching the fucking Negro League. He didn't pitch in the Black Guy League. It takes something away from it. He got any all people of color league hats. That's too many words.

That sounds ridiculous. I don't want to mix the word color in there, too, because that sounds like from back then the colored league, which sounds worse than Negro. We're down a path that we're not going to recover from. Let's just stop now. But later on in this draft, they picked Anthony Smith, the Raiders, and as smart as the Raiders are, 17, Emmett Smith goes to the Dallas Cowboys. So there's an all-time Hall of Fame.

I believe the all-time leading rusher, as a matter of fact. Maybe the all-time cheapest man on earth. Could have had him. I heard that about him. This motherfucker had a yard sale when he retired. Because he from the cardinals signed a one day with the cowboys and then retired all together right that's so when he was living here he was renting shack's house in fucking in uh paradise valley he had a yard sale selling all his ships before he moved and he if i could say he raked people over the coals, I can't tell. That's funny, because it was his shit. Because it's Emmitt Smith's shit.

Yeah, yeah. He was selling his old shoes, just like basketball shoes he'd wear to the grocery store. Yeah, they weren't game-worn cleats. No, no, no. He's not selling. Those are some shit Adidas. This is the 94 NFC Championship game cleats. No, Christ no.

I mowed my lawn in these, and he's selling them for 80 bucks. Size 7 Reeboks. Thanks a lot, you little bastard. What a piece of shit. Nothing he could do there. That's hilarious. Number 18 overall, the Packers picked Tony Bennett. That didn't work out because he was a 70-year-old Italian man,

so he didn't play very well there, so that didn't work out. But a lot of other guys got drafted there. Basically, they missed out on Emmitt Smith, as a lot of teams did, and they ended up with fucking Anthony Smith and we'll find out how that turns out. Later on, Neil O'Donnell went in round three. The beaver-faced quarterback. For the fucking Steelers.

Yeah, for the Steelers and a bunch of other teams. God, he was fucking hot garbage. The Jets when they were awful. You could see it through his helmet. Just his big chiclet teeth sticking out. Larry Centers went in round three. Cardinals. Yeah, Cardinals.

Great running back, actually. Barry Foster in round five was a nasty Steelers running back for like three years, and then he decided he didn't feel like it anymore. Shannon Sharp in round seven, one of your favorites, I know. Best tight end. And John Randall was undrafted. Really? He was the great defensive lineman for the Vikings for a long time with the war paint and all that shit.

He was undrafted. Undrafted guy. Unbelievable. Undrafted free agent, which is pretty impressive. He wasn't projected first round, which is what the Raiders did a lot. This guy's a third round draft pick. We'll be like, let's draft him number eight overall and give him four times as much money as he deserves. If you just trade that pick and you can draft him the next as much money as he deserves if you just trade

that pick right and you can draft him the next round and you can pay him less you fucking dummy so and al davis has an eternal flame because of that shit because of this dumb decisions yeah uh he was surprised to be taken so early he never expected that he wasn't expecting that phone to ring today yeah that shit was going to come tomorrow. He was happy that he went to the Raiders. He told an interviewer here, quote, the team fits my personality and fits my style of play. I like sort of roaming around in the field like a free spirit, sort of with a hardcore hell-bent-for-leather attitude. Jesus. What?

That's a lot there. He quoted Judas Priest. Jesus. I think he did. Hell-bent-for-le Jesus. I think he did. Hellbent for leather. I believe he quoted a medal. Isn't that the name of a Slayer album? That's Hellbent for leather.

I believe that's a Slayer album. I'm not sure how that fucking works. That's crazy. And also, another thing super smart of the Raiders, 1990 season, he misses the whole season with knee surgery. Wow. So even their rookie that they drafted way out of above where he should have been drafted also needs knee surgery not even on the team smart raiders you wonder why the raiders were in a dark period for a long time then

yeah odd right uh weird though he he gets right into the community when he gets to la he gets he turns into like a good guy he starts volunteering for a mentoring program with the mayor's office wow goes into south central la goes into compton goes in all these different places and like walks around just i'm on the raiders motherfuckers what's up come on kids let's hang out like just doing mentoring programs going to parks and do yeah really fucking cool shit and uh the kids loved him too like he was a you know he was a raider so i mean they wanted to hang out with him and he was a cool guy to the kids uh he said uh one time one time he stayed with one of the kids families in compton overnight that's weird now which is getting weird it's like go home now go get a hotel you play for the raiders what are you doing uh he says

jesus christ this is so fucking weird let's do it in their own words here what the hell we should have done one on the last one but let's let's do it for this one because it's just as crazy he says in their own words quote i was lonely away from home didn't have anybody to look after me so maybe so maybe if i tried or if i'm tired or don't feel well i stay stay the night with the kid's family. Next day, I wake up, my car's washed, and my laundry's done. What? What are you talking about? Are you mentoring them, or are they your fucking assistant?

Right. You need a personal assistant is what you need. He just goes from poor kid's house to poor kid's house waiting for his chores to be done. My laundry's done. Did he bring his laundry with him? Yeah. You got a fucking sack of laundry over your shoulder? How you now y'all i'm just gonna stay i just take it everywhere with me just so i feel better that way oh it's done cool that was nice did he mean off

his back did they strip him in his sleep and he woke up with him folded naked with his clothes folded neatly at the end of the bed what the fuck happened here and his car's washed really washing wash your own fucking car good god he even does a commercial for this and it's not like hey you want your car washed that's what i was thinking what is he doing a commercial it's amazing what exactly is the product though the product yeah the product is uh child slave labor it's wonderful uh no product is to help the kids and have them do your shit uh he does a commercial that i found on youtube it's a psa where he is walking around the projects and he's and he's just like i'm anthony smith and you know they say anthony smith la raiders and he looks

like he's all tough and there's little kids running around in the background. And he says, quote, you can't change the world, but you can change the life of one kid. Become a mentor at the Los Angeles City Housing Projects. That's his commercial. Throws a 20 at the kid shining his shoes. Yeah, he does now. Shine my shit. And the camera cuts out as he's going, hey, motherfucker, there's some dirt on the hood.

And then it cuts out. That's it right there. You missed a spot. Hey, where are my fucking drawers at? It was in my laundry bag. So, yeah, can't change the world. It's a 10-second PSA with him walking across the project thing and then stopping and going, do this. I don't know if this is still active, and I doubt it is.

But if it is, give it a shot. 213-237-0855 is the number to call that's to donate 37 cents a day to be a mentor at the los angeles city housing project so and they're still probably waiting i'm sure over there for people to sign up any day any day now so 1991 he plays on the la raiders jesus christ this was a fucking just a mess of a team. I remember these teams. The Jay Schrader, Todd Marinovich era. Yeah, Todd Marinovich was the, and Schrader went back and forth. We will, people have asked me, where's the Marinovich episode?

It's coming. It's weird the way things have worked out. It's like, well, this kind of case came before this. So it's strange. It'll be there. Trust me. We'll cover everybody. There's a lot to go still.

Yeah, there's a bunch. And in the end, we're going to go until there's no more left. So we're going to have to cover everybody. So if it's happened, we'll cover it. Don't worry. Just in whatever order we get to it. So Todd Marinovich, Marcus Allen was there trying to get off the fucking team and get on to the Chiefs for later on. Tim Brown was the wide receiver.

Great receiver. Yeah. They had a couple of really good players. Yeah, that's depressing. Tim Brown was the wide receiver. Great receiver, too. They had a couple of really good players. Yeah, that's depressing. Tim Brown was one of those speedsters. Al Davis looked at numbers. He looked at your 40 time and shit like that. That guy's a first-round draft pick because he's a 4-2-40.

It's like, well, can he catch a football? Who gives a shit? Who cares? He's big and he plays the line. I like him. Hopefully. Hopefully. So they go 9-7 that year under coach Art Schell. Who gives a shit? Who cares? He's big and he plays the line. I like him. Hopefully. Hopefully.

So they go 9-7 that year under coach Art Schell. They go to the wild card game and they lose to Kansas City 10-6, which sounds like a real barn burner. Yeah. Jesus Christ. That was a fucking defensive fury. 10-6 in Kansas City, 19-0. What's that? Steve DeBerg?

Yeah. Steve DeBerg quarterbacking, I believe. Probably. Jesus fucking Christ. Steve DeBerg and Stephon Page and Deron Cherry. Those are the only... Christian Akoya was a running back, and Barry Word was in there, and Neil Smith on the line. Yeah, so...

And this would have been... If they made the wild card... Derek Thomas came along in 1990 so it's a defensive struggle for them for sure heimer will find a way to lose in the playoffs he always does he always does but going into and they're going into kc in january or yeah that's a tough that's miserable yeah it's tough there that's a tough place to play but anthony plays in all 16 games this year only starts two uh one fumble recovery and ten and a half sacks awful ten and a half sacks is great oh sacks not tackles ten and a half sacks which is

fucking amazing for a defensive lineman who's this is his first year playing yeah fuck they were thrilled with that probably holy shit uh 92 Raiders he plays in 15 games starts one has six forced fumbles that's a has six forced fumbles. Jeez. That's a lot of forced fumbles. He figured out how to pop that fucking ball out. Has 31 tackles and then, most impressively, 13 sacks. My God.

For a lineman who's not a, like, that's really good. I feel like the record is like 20. The record's like 24. Is it that high? Yeah, Michael Strahan broke it when Brett Favre kind of took a dive for him there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Before that, yeah, it was... I mean, Brett Favre has a lot of shit right now, too. Yeah, yeah.

A lot of interceptions. Was it Gastineau before that, I believe? I don't know. Had a bunch, and yeah, there was a few. Sacks are usually... Bruce Smith was up there with like a 21 and a half season, I believe. Really? I think so.

I know LT had like 20 and a half and 86. That's what I thought it was, but somewhere around there. It was above that, because it was like 23, and it was broken like 20 and a half and 86 that's what i thought it was around there it's up it's it was above that because 20 it was like 23 and it was broken with 23 and a half or whatever the fuck it was it doesn't matter either way it's the linemen that are getting the bulk of them because they're breaking down the or at that point you're lt derrick thomas outside linebacker pass rusher but it was mainly ends reggie white derrick thomas or reggie white bruce smith those are the guys the linemen are the interior linemen most of the time are clogging up the run and shit like that uh but anthony is week seven afc defensive player of the week amazing which is good 13 sacks great year uh not for the

team though they go seven and nine under art shell and uh that's that's not terrific no uh this is the time uh he uh he's talking to a reporter. And remember all those stories about running around in New York and killing his friend? Yeah. And, you know, people dying of drug overdoses at eight and being killed in car accidents and all this crazy shit. I completely forgot about all this. All that stuff.

He now says, none of that shit happened. Well, of course not. None of that happened. And they were like, well, why the fuck did you tell us that? And when asked, why did you lie to us for no reason, not even being prompted? No one said, hey, didn't you grow up in New York and kill your eight-year-old friend in a car accident? No one said that to him. He just made it up.

He says, instead of actually answering the question, he says, quote, I'm doing things that are positive. And if you guys can't deal with that, I'm sorry. I don't want to have my name be connected with things that aren't productive. You connected it with your stupid story. They didn't make that shit up. You did. I wish you would have just been like, why did I say it? How about why did you believe it?

Why did you fucking look into that? Did you even look up eight year old deaths in eight year old drivers in deadly car accidents? Did you look that up? Maybe possibly that that could have been a thing. You could have solved it right there. deaths in eight year old drivers in deadly car accidents did you look that up maybe possibly that that could have been a thing you could have solved it right there did you look up any sort of public record of me being a child in a fucking heroin clinic anything anything like that totally hooked on fucking every drug on earth by the time i'm in the fourth grade to check that out i'm doing speed balls at eight and boosting cars which is easy because they don't suspect that in the fifth grade they'll let you go to the bathroom as many times as you want

and they're just like he must just have to pee he had a lot of a lot of sunny d this morning that's all it was now 93 season week one he is the afc defensive player of the week so hey good for you afc defensive player of the week, not bad. And Week 1. And then he's the September AFC Defensive Player of the Month for September. So, Jesus Christ, great job by Anthony. Again, a solid year. He plays – it's weird, they don't start him all the time. This is his third year.

He plays in all 16 games, only starts two, which is crazy. He must be a guy who comes in right away. In a specific package? It has to be right away because he ends up with 52 tackles. That's a good point. Which is a lot for a defensive lineman, 52 tackles, one forced fumble, and 12.5 sacks. To get 12.5 sacks, you've got to be playing. You can't come in on third down and end up with 12.5 sacks over the course of the year. But are they starting a specific package of nickel and he's not in that?

I don't know. And then they right away flip into something into something i'm thinking if there was like an old guy they started to be ceremonial i don't know what the fuck it is howie long was on the team was he washed up at that point i have no idea but it's a 12 and a half sacks are good for seventh in the nfl too that's incredible so it's not but he's doing i mean he's in the top tier of what he does uh and the team goes 10 and 6 that year holy shit that's tough to do that's not bad at all they go 10 and 6 and they go to the wild card game versus the broncos can you imagine yeah with what going 10 and 6 and then having to be a wild card and then you're a wild card well that's that should kind of be it you should be 11 and 5 or better to win the division

10 and 6 is a wild card that's how it kind of used to be before now 8-8 gets you in half the time. That's bullshit. But they go to play the Broncos, and this was dark times for the Broncos. This was right before Dan Reeves gets shit-canned and then goes and coaches the Giants horribly, which was a disaster. Then he wanders into Atlanta. Then he wanders down to Atlanta and makes them sort of mediocre for a while. He gets into a Super Bowl where Shanahan beats the lights lights out that's that's dan reeves for you and uh the denver broncos here lost 42 to 24 which is probably the last fucking straw for dan reeves to get to go you'll get

blown out by the raiders in the playoffs you're fucking gone to comb over the fuck out of here that's when elway was having a bad time too had like three, four dark years there where he wasn't great. Where he'd scramble and run and then throw an unbelievably stupid pass for no reason at all. Wasn't this when they drafted Tommy Maddox as his backup and people were like, hey, Tommy Maddox might be good. And then he went on to be an XFL MVP. So that tells you a lot there. After fucking losing his mind in Pittsburgh, he uh the one that was replaced by slash in pittsburgh oh the mag no no that was before maddox came after the usfl folded and then they kind of went back and forth and who did he did slash the fucking bubby brister i don't know

did he replace neil o'donnell he may have Beaverface. That fucking cabal of late 90s quarterbacks were ugly. No, Cordell was earlier because Cordell came out of Colorado in the 90s. It was like 92 because they were like half national champions when he was quarterback for one year. Yeah. 91 or 92 or some shit like that. Was Cordell Stewart there when they went to the Super Bowl? Which year?

Or when they made a run at the Super Bowl, I mean. Miami made the Super Bowl, right? No. No. Cordell was there when they used to lose in the Super Bowl, I mean. Miami made the Super Bowl, right? No. No. Cornell was there when they used to lose in the playoffs every year. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that in the late 90s with Bill Cowher looking angry on the sidelines. I see them playing Miami and losing.

I don't know why I see that. It's possible. They're both awful. Who fucking knows? Who cares? Jesus. I'm trying to remember football history. Don't do this.

Yeah, you're confusing me. Don't do this. I'm like, what year now? What are we doing? What are we doing? So they end up losing to the Bills in the playoffs, who would then go on to be slaughtered in the Super Bowl, obviously, by the Cowboys. This is the last year of their four straight poundings.

Yeah, 90-91, 92-93, where the Cowboys beat the living shit out of them this year again, and then they faded into obscurity. That's nice there. 94 season, right before the 94 season, the Raiders say, all right, we have something in this guy. He's a free agent. His rookie contract is up. Hey, this guy's had over 12 sacks every year.

Killing it. I don't know. You have to re-sign this guy. So they do. They give him a four-year, $7.6 million contract. And that was big then that was big in 94 for a defensive lineman who wasn't reggie white or bruce smith like that was a that was a big fucking deal uh big big deal uh this is the raiders last season in los angeles right before

they moved back to oakland jeff hostetler is the quarterback that they took from the uh giants at the end of his career and uh yeah he wasn't great for the Raiders at all. He was awful. He did have that one good run in 90. We'll give him that for the Giants here. This time he starts all 16 games, Anthony does. Has 34 tackles, one fumble recovery return for a touchdown. So this fat fuck ran in there with the ball over his head all excited.

Good for him. And six sacks this year. So not bad. Sacks are fleeting. There's such a hair of a difference between a sack and they got the ball off or there was a penalty or some shit like that. So six and 12, the sacks,

there's a lot of times not a lot of difference between them. And then you were allowed to hit the quarterback a couple of steps after. Yeah, you'd have two steps and he could drop his ass. Now you have to politely ask him will you please sit down if you're not ready to throw the ball sir i'd like you to i'd like you to have a seat and uh can i get you anything i believe that's the protocol to sack a quarterback now you have to ask can i get you anything it's like having a house guest so fucking ridiculous so they go nine and seven

again this year arch shell is just as mediocre as it comes nine and seven nine and seven ten and six nine and seven fucking boring and shit uh but for uh they don't go to the playoffs that's not good for a playoff berth this year now anthony smith has plenty of cash now he's starting to live a little bit of a different lifestyle. He goes from being kind of a conservative, quiet guy to a guy that's getting a little more flashy, has a little more confidence in what he has. Just financial security, basically. Damn near two mil a year.

Yeah, his rookie season back then, too. I don't know if he was throwing around cash. Maybe he saved a little. Who the fuck knows? But now he buys. I mean, not on fucking car washes and laundry detergent no no he's definitely he's saving cash yeah that's what he was doing he's like i'm saving my money you never know i could get hurt any day now uh he starts buying other

people things too he buys his brother donald a new corvette every year asshole every year why you don't need first of all corvette's the most overpriced pile of shit there is and second of all what are you doing why are you buying him a new one every year? There are cheaper ways to tell people you are an asshole. Yeah. What a stupid fucking car. I care for you when you're an asshole. Those are the two things.

What a stupid fucking car. Yeah, he bought several houses for himself. This is what I mean. Several houses. Now we all have to have tons of houses, including one. It overlooks the Pacific in Playa del Rey. A five-bedroom white brick palace, it's called. Oh, boy.

On a hill. That's a few mil. That's going to be around in 1990. Now it is. Now it is. 94 it wasn't, but still. At least a mil. Yeah, at least a mil, and then he's also, it's a five, it's a big house.

Yeah, it's different here. It's weird too he uh he uh he gets starts to get a little bit to become like a more angry guy nowadays now i don't know the the other thing too is nowadays we have to think about we don't know what the fuck is is happening in his brain too we you know he's a defensive lineman he's hitting heads with somebody on every single fucking play so we don't know what's going on in his brain but people uh he he's been a little bit weird here and he starts getting angry at other people he tells an la times reporter quote the way i've seen people react to me anthony smith the raider has been sickening he says uh he starts talking about how uh he complains about women women who only want his money.

He turns into like a fucking like a 1995 rapper all of a sudden. He's like, I got all this Versace and bitches just want to take it. Like, that's what he just turns into all of a sudden. I don't know what the fuck his deal is. It's like the heyday of that's why you got into this, bro. That's what I mean. Yeah. But he's of the everybody just want to take my shit type thing here.

He complains about yeah women uh he says friends who always need money from him and have their hands out uh he says quote uh a running back on his team said quote he used to talk about his family asking for thirty thousand dollars like it was three hundred dollars anthony always said he didn't want to be broke after football he'd say say, when I'm done, I want to be able to relax and chill for the rest of my life. Yeah. Well, that's a good goal. We all want to do that, I think, when you're done. I'd love to have one job for five years and never have another job. Yeah, that'd be great.

Especially if I was limping always and shit like that. That would be, you know. You can't spell my own name. Yeah, that's super fucking weird. He runs into a woman at this point. Okay. Now he meets a woman, and this is a woman that he might have been into when he was younger, like a teenager, because this woman used to be a, she's a former pop star type deal.

Her name was Vanity, was her singing name back in the day. She was in a girl group, we'll get to in a second that had a song in a beverly hills cop movie so this is an actual person her name's denise denise matthews uh she is at this point a born-again christian singing christian music okay she reads an art you know what i'm saying she's one of that she her song we'll just say it now she had a song uh there it was a called vanity Six was the name of the group. And they had a song. Their song, Nasty Girl, was in the strip club scene in Beverly Hills Cop One.

Phillip! Phillip! What you doing with all this gun? What you doing with all this gun? That's my favorite line up. What you doing with all this gun? What you doing with all this gun, man? You changed, Phillip!

You changed, Phillip! Phillip! favorite line up we should do it all this good man you changed Philip you changed Philip Phil so yeah that's that's that's that song that's that song in the background that's her singing it

that's so we've all I've heard this song I've heard this woman approximately 7,000 times over my childhood because that was a video that my mother

never returned to the video store so we just kept it and that was one of the few videos I had, so I watched it repeatedly. It's a great scene, though. It's the whole movie. Yeah, it might be the best scene in that whole movie, though.

It's so funny. It's so hilarious. I love the look on his face. What is he doing with all this gun, man? I love that you changed, Ben. That's so good. You changed, man. He's so funny.

God, he was amazing back then. So I love that you changed that's so good you changed he's so funny he's that god he was amazing back then so uh i love that the foul-mouthed one not the pudding pop eating cunt so amazing he turned out to be fine he's not raping anybody not raping anybody because he got it all out with cursing so he didn't have it all pent up inside he He wasn't shining. Right. Bill Cosby's the ultimate shining. Yeah. That's the ultimate way of shining. Meanwhile, Eddie Murphy is such a gentleman. He's got all these baby mamas, and he pays for all of them.

He pays for all of them. He's a gentleman. That's right. What a guy. Nice man. He even knocked up another girl, and he's going to fucking name a junior. Oh, you know he is. He's naming this one Junior.

That's all right. Fucking Eddie. Yeah, come on, Eddie. You're dooming this child. Notdie you've done great this wife here denise katrina matthews was in was vanity like we said she's canadian originally a dancer model actress singer you know the 80s pop star person uh she ended up in the late 80s turning her career to the evangelical things like that uh 1983 her the vanity six group disbanded and uh 1980 she was in move she started she was in a lot of b movies terror train tanya's island uh and then she meets uh she's going out with rick james

oh my god she's been out with rick james so you know the horrible things have happened to her i'm sure she met rick james through eddie murphy i'm certain of it right because of the chappelle stories it's got to be through that we don't know well no she's in music herself so it would make sense for her to run into rick james at a thing or a studio or something other than because because rick james seems like the type of guy who would look for girl groups to produce so he could fuck them all but i guess her song guess her song was in it. She had probably never even met Eddie. Oh, yeah.

That was just, and that was in 84, too. I guess that was a couple years later. I want so bad for Eddie to have created that. That would be great. It's probably the opposite. It's probably Eddie probably would have met her through Rick James, if we're being honest here. It's probably true.

But she went with Rick James as his date to the american music awards in 1982 this vanity and there she meets prince okay now prince yeah this is fucking weird awesome we normally don't have prince and rick james in our stories but prince takes to her yeah prince is taken with this chick and is into her and he renames her vanity and he says he considers her to be the female form of himself is what he says like what is going on totally digs this uh then he learned that she could sing so he asked her to become the lead singer of a group called vanity six uh they record one album and uh that was uh the nasty girl album there was That's how that all came out. Then she left the group and left Prince because, you know, he was probably weird. She ends up signing with Motown Records.

Or he dunked on her and served her pancakes. Yeah, and she was like, shit, I can't be with him anymore. He's just embarrassed the fuck out of me. She signs with Motown, has some singles there, but then ends up being a Christian act. She's in The Last Dragon, the movie. Reallyian act uh she's in the last dragon the movie really yeah she's in the uh the last dragon she's in uh never too young to die opposite john stamos jean simmons was also in it for some reason i'm gonna watch the last dragon now and wonder where she's at in that you've seen that right oh it's such a good movie yeah not since the 80s

she was in 52 pickup which was i, like an action thriller type, you know, whatever. Action Jackson with Carl Weathers. She was in that, which she was actually like the starring female role. Also in that movie, Craig T. Nelson and Sharon Stone in Action Jackson. They've done well for themselves. Yeah, done pretty well. She's in a bunch of TV shows here and there. Also did Playboy in 1988. nude uh so uh yes she was uh hanging out with prince and all that kind of shit the funny yeah 92 she becomes a born-again christian and uh she says that she

wouldn't take any more sexualized roles and she was going to sing different shit uh she wouldn't she was in highlander the series which was interesting uh she was 93 she was hospitalized for three months for near kidney fate uh near fatal kidney failure from her previous drug use my christ yeah she was a very much in the she hung out with rick james she lived her yeah she lived uh the deal uh she said she the doctor said she almost died she was on life support and she said while she was in the hospital on life support jesus appeared to her and spoke to her and saying that if she promised to abandon her vanity persona he would save her otherwise fuck you eat shit eat your

tapioca pudding tonight and then croak in your sleep bitch that's what he would have said at that point and she chose to go follow the guy that said that shit to her you know yeah you don't abandon that you're fucking dead fucking dead i'm in listen you're dead he's threatening her he's like a longshoreman he's very and she's like i'm in really move that fucking car out of my on my spot she said she she recovered and fully ended her performing career and devoted herself to being a born-again christian she said she recovered and fully ended her performing career and devoted herself to being a born-again Christian. She said in 1995, quote,

when I came to Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine, interview, every tape, every video, everything. She didn't want to, also she said she's chosen not to receive any further revenue or royalties for her work as vanity and cut off all ties with her former life and then she got a kidney transplant in 1997 and was even more christy and uh she ends up with an autobiography called blame it on vanity hollywood heaven and hell

my christ so uh yeah we'll talk about that's enough of her so when she cuts off but i had to give you this is what I mean. This is how much life has changed. Elizabeth. Now he's going to this chick went out with Prince. Like this is a completely different life for him. He's playing probably a little ahead of his speed, I believe. Yeah.

Just in my opinion. My favorite part is that she cuts off all royalties. Does that just go to your agent? Where does that go? I don't know. Donate it. What do you do with it? Maybe probably to a church. I'm sure agent was like, yeah, yeah, I know donate it what do you do maybe probably to a

church or is it i'm sure agent was like yeah yeah i'll donate it don't funnel it to church i guess so they can fucking i'll bet she did that evade taxes on it so yeah i know so uh three days they meet they're they're uh uh you know not to uh not to together too long uh one month after they meet uh they end up getting married married yeah married three days after they meet uh she proposed to him and then they get married no three days yeah she proposes to him she read an article wanted to meet this guy i picked him out of a magazine met him asked him to marry her in three days, and then in a month they're married, which is fucking insane. He also married somebody for like a month a few years earlier. When he first moved to L.A., he married some actress very quickly, but it didn't last.

Strange, right? But this one here, a friend of his says that it was very, very, very, very strange. He says that he was, this friend says that he's very possessive of her. Well, yeah. Yeah, which I guess I can understand that he seems to be that kind of guy. Yeah.

So he's very possessive of Denise slash Vanity, I guess. So a friend of Anthony's remembers him being super possessive over her. One time he remembers what he called an uncomfortable team family breakfast before a Raiders game where they had like a family and team breakfast where apparently he said Denise did or said something that made Anthony super pissed off and he says quote he grabbed her by the arm made her sit down which is fucking strange she tried to get up but he snatched her back down

said get down i was really scared for vanity i thought he was going to break her friggin arm so that's not good no i don't think that's what you're going for exactly in a relationship so he's being a possessive asshole but meanwhile the friend is back to calling her vanity that's true yeah she's never shaking she's never gonna be denise she's just vanity and you know and jesus christ she's been with fucking rick james so she's probably i mean who knows what her life is she probably seeks out abusers i assume because that's what you know she's probably been abused as a kid and everything else or whatever the fuck so yeah she's she found this guy in an article and could see the abuse jumping off the page at her, which is fucking sad. But Smith would tell everybody that at the time, though, he was helping Denise get a kidney.

He would tell all of his friends he's helping her get a kidney and all that sort of thing. And he's such a good guy because he's just trying to get her back to health. And she's older than him, too, significantly. He's mentoring an adult? Yeah, which is weird. He's trying to, you know. She said he's just such a good guy. He just goes around telling everyone what a good guy he is,

which is a red flag immediately, obviously. He's just shining. He's out shining himself? He's out shining himself, yeah. But then he's grabbing her in a team meeting or a team breakfast. That's going to be a dead giveaway at that point i think you're gonna i don't know uh but uh oakland here the next year they moved to oakland in 95 the raiders do with uh billy joe hobert is the backup quarterback you remember that billy joe period where there's billy joe tolliver and billy joe hobert in the nfl. The league had two Billy Joes being paid to be professional

quarterbacks at one point. Neither of them were gingers, right? I don't think so. There's a little rednecks on that shirt. I can see Billy Joe Tolliver. Billy Joe Hobart and Billy Joe Tolliver. Tolliver. That's the one I see. Was Tolliver a Saint? San Diego.

Was Hobart a Saint? The Billy Joes bounced around quite a bit, the Billy Joes. There was Saints, there was Chargers, there was Falcons mixed in there. There was a lot of this garbage. Hobart was over in the Falcons. Hobart, I believe, was a Falcon. God damn, I'm mixing them both together. That's fine.

I'm going to continue it. Their own mothers would at this point. I don't think it matters. They had the same age, and he's like, I'm looking for a contract for Billy Joe Tobert. And they're like, who? Perfect. Either one. I'm your guy.

We don't care. The same thing. So that year, he starts 12 games. He plays in all 16, has 28 tackles, one forced fumble, three fumble recoveries, and seven sacks. That's not awful. Not a bad year at all. They're very happy with that. That's 100% fine. This is under coach Mike White, who would later also take the Falcons to mediocrity,

to the brink of fucking decency. That's a strange-looking man. It is. He's very white. There's just a white hair. Mike White's the perfect name for him. He's a very odd guy, Mike White. He looks like a pigeon.

His face looks like a bird. He is a little birdy. I'll give you that. Well, they go 8-8 this year, so he pecks his way to an 8-8 season with his new team. Offensive coordinator that year is Joe Bugle, the old Cardinal head coach. And then defensive coordinator is John Fox, the future head coach and all that shit. So anyway, 1996 here. The Raiders had just relocated to oakland obviously uh smith is it's

funny once he got that big contract he just doesn't have as much desire to play and to try hard anymore it's so strange that when you get a lot of money you're like i don't feel like banging my head into another guy all the time because i'm super rich right yeah well i'm too rich to bang my head into that guy what the fuck is wrong with? That's to the people that aren't being paid. Yeah, they'll do it, I'm sure. They want to get the money I have. So he just had, he started becoming not as into it as, and it was noticeable to the team.

At one point, he fails to show up at the airport for the fifth game of the season in the 96 season. He just didn't go. Doesn't show up for the team flight. They're like, okay. So he's suspended for a month because that's what happens you you you jesus christ you're getting paid millions of dollars you have to show up for 16 things a year that are really important and you miss one of them you can't do that at the most 19 things no yeah no that's if you win the superbowl

or make it to the superbowl you can't no call no no show that shit. It just doesn't work. Be like, I'll take PTO. It's cool. There's very little time. So, yeah, he just, he's suspended for a month there. This is the era of football. I see just the ugliest starter jackets ever. Oh, yeah, puffy. This is when they got,

but they were like plainer in the early 90s. They just have a logo. This is when they started getting like crazy weird shark tooth things, like bespeckled shark tooth shit coming up the sleeves. And like this is when shit started getting. Some weird pattern behind the logo. Yeah, all sorts of weird patterns. And it looked like Cosby sweater patterns like on it. Weirdest fucking.

Yeah, this is when hats too. Hats got real weird and ugly it was like what the fuck happened to the plane the you know the the block letter city and the script the fucking uh the cursive yeah the sports specialties hats that are the best those were great is it the greatest hats ever and yeah they actually kind of come back those hats they're trying they're trying it too but they're still going a bit too far with the fucking graphic on yeah it's too much yeah i don't need all that bill fucking stop it calm down go back to green under the bill so this was that time period and uh he comes back now and he's not he's not taking in real his teammates are kind of pissed off at him because you fuck you fucking you kind of just walked out on your team

you didn't show up and then you're suspended for a month. So then you're one of our best linemen. Yeah. And now you're a starter and you're going to just not show up for a month. I mean, that's the four games he didn't start that year. So that's that's crazy. He was the last year. I'm sorry.

But either way, Howie Long, the cop haired offense, defensive lineman for the Raiders, said that Smith, quote, had some volatility is the way he put it. He said, quote, as talented as he was, he was a very emotionally complex young guy. I'd love to talk to Howie about that for real. Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about how emotionally. Yeah.

What does that mean? Emotionally complex. He's a fucking loon. That's what that means. Emotionally complex. Yeah, it's not not not wonderful here. Ninety six season season six games only starts two uh 12 tackles one forced fumble one fumble recovery and two sacks so obviously a little less

he's suspended falls off doesn't do well the raiders go seven and nine they fucking stink too so you know uh 97 season this is actually I remember this team very well, because if you got PlayStation one and game day 97, which was a fucking amazing game. This was the this was the Raider team from them. That was a terrible team, as we'll talk about their record. But in a video game, they were phenomenal. This was Jeff George at quarterback. So the video game figure that they underachieved massively. It's true.

Well, their quarterback's Jeff George, who, as a video game character, is great. If you look at arm strength and accuracy and all those things, he's great. It doesn't show that he's an asshole that nobody likes and is a terrible leader. That doesn't show up on a Nintendo, on a fucking PlayStation game. It just doesn't. So you could be great in there and be a douchebag on the field. And that's what it was. Napoleon Kaufman, you remember the little running back yeah so great team there for them he uh he plays in 13 games starts all 13

games in 97 33 tackles two forced fumbles one fumble recovery six and a half sacks and one safety so he's back to being respectable and decent again uh the team goes four and 12 that year so they were not good and tim brown still has 19 years left in his career. Yeah, no shit. Yeah, he's still going to be there forever. Jesus. Offensive coordinator on that team, Ray Perkins. No kidding.

He's Alabama coach, yeah. How about that? Hey, Dad, how you doing? Haven't seen you in about 10 fucking years. Welcome back. Thanks, Dad, for recruiting me here. My girlfriend loves Jesus, and she's a new prince. Yeah, and she blew prince yeah and she blew prince never

mind new prince my girlfriend liked jesus and fucked rick james and did so many drugs her kidney fell out so i got a lot of things going on dad you want to talk what's up thanks for being around all these years thanks yeah jesus christ so uh after the he's this his contract's up after this season he had there's an option for an extra year his option anthony's option he hops out of his contract so he opts out of the deal he figures he can go somewhere else and make more i guess so that's that's the plan here uh now that year 97 there uh he's married to denise or vanity whatever you want to call her here we'll call her denise she wants to be called denise. She wants to be called Denise.

Man wants to be called Muhammad Ali. We should call him Muhammad Ali. Does Mama call him Clay? I'm going to call him Clay. So. Oh, the barbershop was so great. We're just on an Eddie Murphy kick tonight. I'm sorry. It's the best sidebar of any movie ever.

Oh, it's amazing. It has nothing to do with the movie. It's amazing. I love it so much. It's just Eddie Murphy and like two other guys and Arsenio sitting there too. It has nothing to do with the movie. It's amazing. I love it so much. It's just Eddie Murphy and two other guys and Arsenio sitting there, too. It's wonderful. And Eddie Murphy just lying out of his ass to his coworkers. That's about everything.

Yeah, it's about everything. And also being an old Jewish man, I believe, too. A couple different things, which is interesting. So Anthony and Denise are done here. They're out. They separate in 1997. Shortly after, there's a reason why they separated and why they're done. Anthony's arrested for domestic violence.

He was shot in honor. Well, if you're married, there's only one thing worse than getting arrested. There's only one thing worse to your wife than getting arrested for domestic violence, and that's getting arrested for domestic violence involving a different woman than you no way so not only was he cheating on her but then he's beating her up also so that's a two that's a double whammy right there beating up the girlfriend he's beating up the girl he's cheating on his wife with which is next level fucking asshole that's next level uh he uh he's sentenced to anger management classes for that and that's all

that's all he gets that's it's 97 so they're not as they're not as up on that shit or it's like hey uh you know i don't know give him some probation or something but uh that's 97 nfl where they got rid of a lot of charges oh yeah swept that shit right under the rug here and uh yeah he went into court he was like listen she was with rick james and they were like say no more i'm sure she was on something. And they made her look bad. Meanwhile, she's a poor woman who needs a kidney and getting beat up by her asshole husband. So now he starts a relationship at this point in early 98 with what will become his third wife, who is Teresa Obello.

When it becomes Teresa Obellollo white she's a completely different thing he married so far he's married an actress that didn't last long to some actress that he found it's probably just hot and he had some money and they got married and uh then he marries this you know vanity who's just a different you know she's got she's got a life that's she has a lot of life interesting she's an interesting part you know there's a lot this time he manages but i mean she was like in music and you know hanging out with prince and shit this woman here that he that he marries is a graduate of stanford oh my god different kind of lady uh stanford and then went on to pepperdine law school how did he meet her which is he's rich rich people go in the same circles uh She was at this point when they met,

she's an attorney. She's working for a personal injury law firm when they met. Later on, she's going to become like a major prosecutor, which is interesting, as we'll find out what he does. Personal injury, like what a girl suffered

because of him. Yeah, yeah. Girls come to him all the time, come to her. Women come to her all the time come to her women come to her all the time with injuries caused by people like him uh i believe car accidents and more which she was into by the way i saw the worst billboard for a personal injury lawyer yesterday and i just remembered it tell me because i got one here too it's just a guy's picture and it says your injury

is personal to me i'm like oh fuck you your injury is personal to nothing to do with the money huh pal is it the raffi law firm i have no idea there is a there's a guy here that guy is in spanish and it just it's a it just says uh uh have you been in an accident and then there's just a dude laughing hysterically yeah yeah it's like what he's psyched about it have you been an accident because we want to see the video we want to see it we think it want to see it. We think it's hilarious. We can make it go viral. No, we're not going to make you money on a lawsuit against the insurance company. We're going to get you some ad money on a viral video on YouTube.

That's what we're going to do. Awful fucking advertisement. Ridiculous. Jesus Christ. So she's doing that. He tells everybody around him, friends, family, that this woman he thinks would make a wonderful mother. And he wants her to have his children. And this is the one for him.

And I am going to spoiler alert. It is the one for him. They were together for still. I mean, they were going on. Yeah. For years. We'll get into it. She sticks by him this way.

I don't know what the fuck hold he has over this otherwise well put together intelligent bright fucking successful successful ambitious woman but uh i don't know what the fuck it is uh he brings her to elizabeth uh uh to uh elizabeth uh north carolina introduced her to the family and which she must have been like whoa hey i'm i went to stanford and pepperdine and i'm not going to rural north carolina thank you but she wasn't she was cool about it so uh his friend brian from back there that we talked about quote brian uh says yeah she was back there uh there was a fourth of july barbecue uh where there was a little bit of a problem though while she was back there with him uh there was a confrontation between anthony and his older brother donald apparently donald became uh uh threatening uh at that point to to both of

them uh threatening enough that uh he and theresa left and went right to the airport so he takes his girl and gets the fuck out of there his brother his brother's getting crazy he got a drunk at the barbecue i don't know what the hell's going on here. But Anthony and Donald, that was the end of their relationship. No more. The friend said they never talked ever again. Yeah. He said that, quote, Anthony felt abandoned and that's his biggest issue.

So give us a call. I want to hear that story. I'd love to hear that story. Donald's an interesting cat. Like you said, then he remember we talked about this. He became like a UPS driver and a cop and a magistrate or some great hard working son of a bitch yeah hard working guy that's got a lot of anger and then shines in public and then uh wants to fight his younger brother at a barbecue for some reason uh his his wife here future wife

theresa becomes a san bernardino county prosecutor okay later on, I mean, she's not a flaky person or anything like that. Not who you'd expect him to go with, because he seems like kind of an asshole. 98th season, he signs with the Broncos. Really? Signs with Denver. Yeah, but he didn't like it. And while at training camp in Denver, he gets to August, mid-August, and he calls his personal assistant on the phone and says, quote, hummer and come get me you idiot yeah they're about to win

the fucking super bowl yeah you dummy at least you would have got a bonus for that and a ring and a ring and you probably you're on a super bowl team so that he would have got signed for another two years somewhere else just for being around success instead he says get the hummer and come get me. He said he didn't want to play football anymore. He's fucking done. But what he does do is stop in Vegas and get married. Because, as we know, over time, the crime in sports rules, when things are going bad, you've just quit your career on a whim.

You've turned money away, thrown it out the window, quit everything, drove your Hummer away from your career and a potential Super Bowl win. You need to get married right fucking now. It's the only thing to do. So he is working it. He brought her home. He's getting married.

A lot of problems. Unbelievable. I would say so. So now he's 31 years old and he's retired from football. Just I wanted. There are so many stories that are personal that are not going to be on the internet anywhere no i want to fucking know wouldn't it be amazing this man is fascinating he is fascinating that's the thing and he closes up like a fucking clam

you never get shit out of him he's just a stoic like gangster character god damn where he just doesn't say shit it's hard to get anything out of him fight your brother why'd you quit the nfl how the fuck did you meet vanity let me let me'd you fight your brother why'd you quit the nfl how the fuck did you meet vanity let me let me tell you one thing uh that all you will forget any of that happened in a few minutes when i tell you the other things and you go how the fuck did you do that that was horrific my god you're just going to be shocked to the point where yeah none of that other shit matters here uh i'm telling you that right now uh but he said uh he's married he's happy with that he wants to be a father he's all ready to go he is he. But he said he's married. He's happy with that.

He wants to be a father. He's all ready to go. He is. He has bad knees and he's a little bit injured and banged up because he played football, but he's ready to start his life. And he gets he gets her pregnant. He gets his wife pregnant. He retires from football, gets into some interesting things, gets into some shady businesses.

Sure. A lot of these football players, and they talk about this in the Broke documentary, and it's true, too. Football, basketball, every sport, baseball, it doesn't matter. Guys with a lot of money like this, when they retire, they're 31 years old, and all of their excitement's gone that they've had. It's gone. So for them to invest in something that's safe and smart and has like a four percent return if they're lucky and

all that that's how you want to invest smartly but for them that's boring that's not exciting they need a win they need to do something no crowd they need a big thing something that's going to be a big win for them and that's what they do is they they always keep going they have confidence in themselves because they're as an athlete you have to as a top level athlete that has millions of dollars to piss away you have to have that kind of confidence in themselves because they're, as an athlete, you have to, as a top-level athlete that has millions of dollars to piss away, you have to have that kind of confidence in themselves. So they always have the confidence in themselves that they're going to dig themselves out of it with a big score here. They turn into gamblers with their money after their careers. And so he invests in an online medical billing company that turns out to be a scam that is investigated by the FTC.

Oh, my God. So that's a problem. So that's like what mobsters would do. And then he starts spending. This is insane. This is what I don't get. He marries this woman who's like a very upstanding woman and all this type of shit. And instead of staying home with her, he's not out playing football anymore.

So he's got no excuse to be like out doing shit. Stay home with this woman. Have a nice life you have a guy woman that you're lucky to have instead he starts hanging out with gangbangers all the time he gets a bunch of like gangster friends he starts hanging out why is that exciting i don't know why you'd want to do that thought you're you know why gangsters are gangsters because they're trying to get rich you know what you are already rich the fuck are you hanging out with these guys for also you know what gangsters because they're trying to get rich you know what you are already rich the fuck are you hanging out with these guys for also you know what gangsters are uh guys that don't have shit that's the thing trying to get something and they don't care that's my bio so young that's what i don't get too is like i just that's what i never understood is like why when you're rich do you

then because it's not like he hung out with these guys all growing up he's not even from here he's from another place like he doesn't know these people. It's not like, oh, well, I grew up on the block with all these guys, and they took care of me when I was a kid and blah, blah, blah. That's not how it works. He just met guys and thinks it's cool to be a tough guy. You know where I've never seen an old gangster? In a documentary being interviewed

outside of a police or a prison jumpsuit. Once in a blue, you get that guy. Yeah, it's very rare. Once in a while, you get that Rick Ross guy, who not the rapper, the drug dealer. You get that guy it's very rare once in a while you get that rick ross guy who not the rapper the drug dealer you get that freeway rick ross guy the guy like that who like beat it or like the cocaine cowboys guys like three of those guys aren't behind bars when they're interviewing them that's like six dudes on earth like outside of that they're all in fucking jail yeah or you got yeah like an old like henry hill back in the day like guys like that

like the old gangsters who you know went in the program and then got out of it. But I guess his friend, quote, Brian, said, quote, he was bringing the edge around and I didn't like it, which is interesting. So he asked Anthony, why do you hang out with these guys? You don't need to hang out with these guys. He says, Anthony says, quote, these guys care about me. They're genuine dudes, which, no, you're rich rich and a raider so they think that's cool probably his friend said quote i couldn't understand it you're married to a lawyer you're living in playa del rey why would you be involved with these people with these kinds of people and uh so he

said that uh uh he started his friend started kind of backing away from him and all that sort of thing. And he started to feel bad. And his other friend who said he saw him at the breakfast put vanity in her seat said, quote, that he didn't like the new friends and said, quote, that's when I stopped hanging around. That's when he started to change. He got that scowl, that ugly look.

So he's just changed completely. Is he bringing those dudes into Playa del Rey? Yeah, he's hanging out with these guys. These are like, this is his circle now, which he's doing everything backwards. That's what you do before, and then you get into football and you try to wean yourself off.

This guy had no connection to these people and just said, I think I'll hang out with fucking gangsters. That's going to be good for me. Bring the bloods from East LA over to Playa del Rey. It's so weird. He just needed excitement i guess it's so in the a billing scam isn't a medical billing scam that's no fun it's not as lucrative

it's lucrative it's not as fucking boring it's not as in your face yeah it's not fun this is fun yeah uh so june 25th 2001 you want to talk fun this is fun june 25th 2001 the body of dennis quote denny ray henderson was found in the back seat of a red chevy impala uh his head was appeared to have been stomped to a crushed state oh my god he had a heel mark on his cheek a fractured cheekbone and a dislocated jaw he was stabbed in his left eye in his ear and 11 times in the back uh and he was his wrists were tied with cables uh it's fucking crazy uh in an impala like a new body or like a 64 no no there's a newer one there's a shit new impala this wasn't like no he wasn't dr dre's yeah i was gonna say he wasn't like tilted with hydraulics and shit no wasn't like, no, he wasn't. Dr. Dre's. Yeah, I was going to say he wasn't like tilted with hydraulics and shit. No, it wasn't any of that.

So they find him and they're like, they don't know what to do. And his brother, Dennis Henderson, as it turns out to be, Dennis Henderson is the body. His brother, Barry Henderson, apparently knew some dealings that Dennis had. And he turns the police in Anthony's direction. He says that Anthony has something to do with this now Barry was uh Barry the brother the dead man's brother was Anthony's neighbor in uh in one of his other houses so he knew him through there uh so uh later on uh detective says that Barry told him that uh he'd introduced Anthony to his younger brother, Dennis, when Anthony wanted to buy some ecstasy and weed. And Dennis could get it for him.

So he's like, I can get you some ecstasy and weed. Now, first of all, you're hanging out with gangsters. You can't get ecstasy and weed. What kind of fucking shitty gangsters are those? You go to your neighbor and ask him, where can I get some ecstasy? You don't ask your neighbor that. where can i get some exit you don't ask your neighbor that that's the one plus of hanging out with gangsters and shit is if you need ecstasy and weed they'll get it for you it's pretty common fucking easily probably and probably give you a good deal if you're your boys so what the

fuck anyway he started he said he introduced uh anthony to dennis and denny ray and anthony started hanging out after that because you know hey he's a raider and he's got drugs. It's a match made in fucking heaven. So Barry, the Barry, the brother said he knew Anthony as a man with a short fuse. Another man said that especially when it came to people that owed him money, he didn't take any shit. You owed him a fucking dime. It was a fuck you pay me scenario. No matter what.

He said that one day when the two of them were hanging out at lunch, Anthony made a stop at a storage locker and invited Barry to come in and take a look. Barry says that he saw, he tells the police later, he saw knives and bundles of zip ties there, which is a bad thing to have together probably. Also, police raid jackets, which is an odd thing to have in your possession, especially when they're lying next to machine guns, silencers, hand grenades, more ammunition than he could count, and quote, a book on how to assassinate someone. He had all that shit laying out in a row.

Like, wow. The most like it's like a silly pile of evidence it's like an acme roadrunner pile of evidence it's fucking ridiculous here's everything and it's here's my whole plan the list started with with knives zip ties and police raid jackets and somehow it got worse machine guns silencers hand grenades tons of ammunition and a book. Just in case you didn't know. Wow. By the way, what I'm going to do with all this is an Halloween costume. I'm looking to kill motherfuckers.

So according to this guy here, he says that Anthony told Barry that that Anthony and his associates use the police raid jackets during robberies because a big thing that people do, like Omar on The Wire, is robbing drug dealers. That's a lucrative field. Sure. And it always has been and always will be. That's like in the 80s, those crooked cops in New York. That's what they used to do is they used to fucking get hired by rival crews to rob the rival drug dealers. And fuck, who the fuck are they going to tell? Cops came in and stole a bunch of our drugs.

Oh, yeah. How much drugs did you have? Well, they're putting the cuffs on you. There's nothing you could do about that. So that's just one of those, it's all in the game type of things, as they would say on the wire. Makes sense. Yeah, it's like, that's part of the fucking game.

That's a cold fucking line. That's what they do. That's all in the game. That was what they did. Everything on the wire was, it's all in the game. That's all it was. That is cold as fuck. We're all fucking playing it.

So anything that happens to you, you know it's fucking happening to you that is cold that's why omar didn't want to kill any civilians or any shit like that because then it's all in the fucking game everybody i killed they're in the game he's a nice guy he always says i never put my gun on nobody wasn't in the game oh that's his fucking thing he's like dexter of robbing drug dealers it's basically what he is that's's the Omar character. I like him. You would love him. You'll watch the fucking show, but you won't.

So anyway. Is he a sympathetic character? Is that what you're telling me? Omar's the most sympathetic. He's great. He's the best character. God damn it. He's the fucking best character. So yeah, they used this during robberies.

Anthony also showed Barry some license plates and explained they would rent crowd in Victoria's, which was the car police detective detective's road at the time, and exchanged the plates for these cold plates is what they called them. They're untraceable plates. And Barry told Anthony that he bragged about kidnapping and killing two brothers who ran a car wash. And we'll talk about that. Yeah. So this is he told that to this guy before his brother disappeared he told this to barry before barry's brother disappeared and then this guy once barry's once barry henderson's brother disappears once denny ray disappears this guy goes to the cops and says

i think i know what happened to my brother let me tell you a story about all this shit this guy's told me and all the stuff that he has so this cop is obviously like you know clicking his pen fucking taking notes slow down say that again excuse me one more time like that's a that's a pretty fucking uh a decent thing he just told him he has all this shit in his storage unit and he's and he also brags about killing people so what this police officer does is he digs around and finds a case of two brothers with a car wash that fit this fucking description and he finds out that on November 11th, 1999 these are the Nettles brothers

Ricky Nettles' body was found on a street in Compton and his brother Kevin's body was found dumped eight miles away on November 11th on the same day. Both brothers were killed separate locations Now, that's either on purpose or a fucking huge coincidence that's an amazing coincidence you're both murdered and dumped

eight miles separately on the same day so close together incredible jesus christ in the scope of the world and two brothers are dead and they are that close together that's fucking mind that's amazing it really is the coincidence there i don't even know what to say about it. Yeah. But it gets worse, actually. They weren't just dumped dead. Hey, what happened to them? Let's do an autopsy and find out.

It's pretty obvious. Their heads are wrapped in duct tape. Oh, boy. Heads wrapped in duct tape. Bad sign immediately. If anyone ever starts wrapping your head in duct tape, fight because you're dying. Something bad's going to... This isn't going to end...

You're going to be raped or killed, I guarantee you. There's not going to be another birthday. No. They're not like... No one wraps your head in duct tape and then goes, cool, see you later. That never happened. You look great. So, you look fantastic.

This was just how I thought. So, their heads are wrapped in duct tape. They'd both been shot multiple times, and they had just tons of signs of torture on them as well uh ricky nettles had a burn mark on his stomach in a triangular shape of an iron he had an iron mark they were burning him branded he was burned with a fucking iron a clothing iron an iron holy yeah not like a terry funk fucking branding an opponent what is this yes we're in that's what i saw yeah you saw terry funk going after a guy no an actual fucking clothes iron okay he gets this guy yeah much that's hilarious that's probably the first thing i thought of too honestly this is the difference

between an la uh murder investigation and say i don't know rulo nebraska or some shit they'd be like they'd be like this is crazy y'all did they have their their did they have their ranches was that what it was that could be that ranch we'll we'll match that right up to the right ranch and we'll get it no this is in a small town they'd be like this is real weird that they're brothers and they both have duct tape on their head that's weird that's a family tradition i bet they were both into some weird stuff sexually you know what i mean i bet okay so we're looking for two murderers homosexual uh kinky brother lovers that's what we got that's the that's what's happening this one killed this one and on his way he got eight miles away and then he bled to death. Super weird, ain't it? It's just weird. Wow.

These two, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. So, yeah, they had been burned and everything else. Both had also been handcuffed. So this is awful. This is a terrible way. So also, too, that's two bound, killed, you know, execution. Murdered exactly the same way.

Torture, execution, execution mob style killings basically except the mob would have made it so they couldn't be found this is some gangster shit right here i will say that i'll give it if he's trying to be gangster he's doing a fucking hell of a job right here crushing it absolutely so they did a little more investigation and i guess the evening of november 11th before they were murdered obviously uh. Ricky and his brother Kevin were closing up their business. It's on Vernon Avenue. They had an auto repair shop and a hand car wash and a cell phone and beeper store and a barber shop.

They had like one of those little ghetto strip malls that you see. And you can if it's in Phoenix, you could add a quinceanera shop to that. And that's that's the fucking typical one. It has a dollar store, giant pink dresses outside. That would be the one. That's the fucking typical one. Dollar store. Giant pink dresses outside.

That would be the one. So Kevin was sitting in a small office in the auto repair shop with his friend. They were watching the Lakers game. At that point, a tall black man with a green police jacket and a badge clipped to his belt came in the shop with his gun drawn and ordered Kevin outside. So this seems like, okay, if a police officer bursts into your store with his gun out and says, get outside, you fucking do it, probably. So, yeah. Now, at that point, his brother Ricky and an employee named Manny were across the street closing up the barber shops.

They had all these fucking businesses. They're enterprising guys here. Ricky leaves the shop while Manny stays behind to lock up. When Manny was done, he heads over to the auto shop. And he said at that point, the Manny guy says he saw a large man dressed in a dark suit with a badge on his belt and a gun and a shoulder holster put Ricky into the backseat of a car. He said Ricky's hands were put behind him as if he'd been cuffed. And Kevin was already in the back of the vehicle. It was a dark color four-door sedan and manny yelled what are you guys doing taking them away so yeah he

was locking up and his boss walked out and him and his brother are getting put into a fucking police car when he walks out uh so i guess the the cop as they thought the big man in the suit said quote we're taking him down for questioning uh and then the guy got in the passenger side of the car the police officer did quote unquote and the car pulled off and that was it so there was a driver too there was a driver and a passenger and that was it and the next time uh they were found they were dead and ricky's apartment had been ransacked also so this is uh yeah they there was torture ransacking and uh you, this is fucking crazy. So following Dennis's murder, the first murder, the one we talked about, Barry's brother,

the police suspected Anthony obviously was involved in all three cases, but couldn't make a fucking case on him. Nothing. Because all they had was, he said this, and this might have happened, and a bunch of conjecture and shit. No hard evidence nobody said here's a murder weapon with his fingerprints on it or i saw him kill this guy but man he can't identify him in like a line apparently he just said black guy big black guy that's all he said

and uh how racist that's yeah manny is very racist uh yeah apparently uh mexican super racist against black people i don't know that's just what we're going on the evidence here. So 2003, February 2003, 1.30 in the morning, there's a police officer driving down Lincoln Boulevard in Santa Monica. At this point, this guy sees a building on fire. And it turns out it's a Simply Sofas furniture showroom on fire. And they could hear, you you know you could hear all the fire and all that kind of shit it was very loud and there's it's a wood burning it's a goddamn sofa shop and fucking those cushions yeah it's a matchbook uh so right away uh the investigators

thought it was a suspicious fire uh firefighters said they reported the strong smell of gasoline which is always a bad sign and when the investigators got inside the building after the fire was out the next day they found three fire bombs which were five gallon plastic water jugs cut off at the neck stuffed with paper and filled with gasoline which that'll do it that'll set something on fire uh they took all this they gathered it they sent it off to the lab uh now anthony becomes the prime suspect in this in this arson as well uh they speak to the owner of the store a woman named marilyn nelson and uh they discovered that two weeks before the fire she and anthony argued over some items he left on consignment so so he leaves some shit there to sell he sell he put a chaise lounge yeah for consignment, and it somehow ends in arson.

I don't know how the fuck that works, but yeah. Anthony came to the store to pick up a check for the items he'd sold and to retrieve a few of the unsold things, including some swords and a marble desk. Jesus. Anthony noticed that the stand for something he had was broken and he insisted that the woman pay for it she said you broke my shit pay for it uh they argued about it uh she said she believed it was broken when it was brought in and he was adamant saying you're gonna fucking pay for it i'll burn this mother i'll burn this motherfucker to the ground and he's a big kind of a scary guy and whatever. She said that she she this just didn't seem like something to fight over.

She said this wasn't the hill to die on, basically. And she just finally ends up agreeing and giving him a six hundred fifteen dollar check for the items he'd sold and all that shit. And she said that he said he'd come back for the unsold items and told her she should have the other check ready for the broken desk when he comes back to pick up the other shit. And she said, no problem, whatever. Now, before he ends up returning, this Marilyn said a woman came in identifying herself as Anthony's personal assistant. And and this woman called Marilyn to say that Anthony had lost the $615 check and needed a replacement.

So later, Anthony shows up at the store and he and two of Marilyn's workers loaded his items back into a truck. Marilyn makes out the second check, leaves it on the counter, goes back to her desk. So here's your check. Get the fuck out of here. She was glad that he was going. She just didn't want to fucking deal with him anymore. But he apparently didn't pick up the check he waited for her at the counter uh she tried to act like she was you know not coming out maybe he'd just fucking leave uh but finally she asked

him what was going on and uh she said she looked at him and said what because she was standing there the whole time she said that he stared her down and pointed a finger at her and then shook it slowly like Dikembe Mutombo style. Oh, my God. And then turned and left. Oh, that is the scariest shit ever. That's insane. That's exactly what Avon did in the wire first season

when they saw him after the basketball game and they couldn't get a lead. They were trying to follow him in a car and they couldn't. They finally passed him and they were like, oh, shit, that's him. And he just waved his finger off. He was wagging it at him? Wagged his finger off and took off so that's he did the same type

of thing here uh now that fucking obviously freaked her out a little bit yeah a couple days later she finds out that the check that was that he had lost had been cashed i don't know why she didn't cancel the fucking check why didn't you put a stop payment on it i don't get that apparently she was lazy i'm not sure uh she also says that when wells fargo called the store to say that anthony was in the branch trying to cash the second check uh her daughter told them not to cash it for them and uh that's too then they didn't hear from anthony anymore then two weeks later her fucking store burns to the ground over a 615 over a 615 check that wasn't his. It's not even his. It wasn't like he was owed that money.

So now, this whole... You foiled my attempt to rob you for $600, which was a terrible attempt. Terrible attempt. That's the worst way to rob me. With checks and here's my furniture. It's a very odd way to do this. We're going to know that you cashed the other one. Probably, yeah.

There's bank records. So, August of 2003 of 2003 a few months later now the police have some uh have some evidence here uh they have motive they have all sorts of shit and they have physical evidence that you usually don't get it at a fire all right because these uh uh these fire bombs not everything apparently in the heat of the blaze they said the fire firebombs caved in on themselves. See, that's what I was going to ask. Those are plastic jugs. Why didn't that burn away? Yeah, and preserved some of the envelopes and mail inside it, protected it by the melted plastic.

So what they find are 30 pieces of gasoline-soaked mail, all addressed to Anthony or his wife. What an asshole. Which is the worst thing you could possibly have. What a fucking idiot. He used his own mail. His own fucking mail. He's like, yo, you want this Pottery Barn calendar? There's a catalog.

I'm going to throw it in this fire thing, all right? What about this? You pay this. All right, we'll just throw it in the fire thing. This penny saver's good, Kinlan. You're going to re-up Entertainment Weekly? No, all right, I'll throw the fucking thing in the... Are you telling me he didn't twist it? He didn't's kindling a twist it chat twist it simulate kindling so

this fucking idiot used his own fucking mail he could have just got a bunch of loose leaf paper what the fuck are you thinking you lazy fuck he is a bad firebomb they had mail and that's what he did so geez at him or his wife uh so yeah uh so obviously they want to talk to him uh and they did a little bit before that uh the police in july talked to the smiths uh talked to anthony at their condominium they have a condo in marina del rey uh he he told uh this detective uh told anthony about the fire and about the raging and all that shit and he made a big deal out of it, he said. He said, you know, the firefighters had to leap

from one roof to the next and he was making shit up trying to see what Anthony would say about it. Anthony, all he had to say was Anthony asked this guy what Marilyn Nelson had said about him. And the detective said that Marilyn had him pointing the finger at anybody. It was the 30 pieces of mail and the firebomb all addressed to you or what made me come talk to you, stupid.

By the way, here's your car payment. Yeah. Here. Oh, yeah. By the way, did you make a fucking on your Corolla, sir? That's amazing. What you owe American Express is disturbing is disturbing honestly you didn't need that you saw what you bought is every item you didn't need that you're a fucking asshole so uh yeah he said that both of these guys he's the couple he's talking to him he's talking to

to smith in his kitchen of the condo here and he once he shows him the all the letters and he said well you know it's not mary shows him all the letters, and he said, well, you know, it's not Maryland. It's the letters. Apparently, Smith breaks down and cries. He just starts crying. He starts crying. He starts sobbing. He starts saying, I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry. And he's weeping with his head in his hands. Is that a gangster at all? Not at all. So the cop was like, um. Did I just crack the case? I didn't expect that. He figured this was kind of confessing i mean he said i don't know

what the fuck's going on apparently at that point his wife anthony's wife theresa runs into the kitchen kitchen and asks her what's wrong asks everybody so what the fuck is going on what's wrong anthony hugs her and like buries himself in her like you know like she's his mom and uh anthony says quote if there was a fire how is anything left he asked the cop and uh that's when he began to cry because he was like i don't know uh so uh they said the cop at that point said why don't we go talk about this down at the police station obviously that's a better place to talk bring your wife i mean your lawyer yeah well that's the thing that anthony asked for a few minutes alone with his wife before they rode down

there and his wife is a fucking lawyer and a prosecutor so this is a good person to talk to uh so uh they said he rode down with the with the police sergeant uh that he said it was a quiet ride the sergeant did uh but at this point they get to the station the cop said anthony was a complete 180 he was a completely different guy uh at this point he's 64 320'4", 320. He's a big motherfucker. He's in the little tiny, you've seen the police interview room if you've seen the first 48. That's all him. That big cat. He's wearing that table as a hat.

So it's very tiny. So this guy, the detective, the sergeant settles himself in and he starts talking. He starts trying to just get dialogue going uh he said and he figured uh that you know smith was going to be fine he's like oh this is fine he's just trying to act casual about like all right yeah let's put you in for arson no problem we'll do some prison time and everything's great uh he ends up going over you know oh this is your phone number all that kind of shit uh he even asked him uh he asked anthony do you want the door open or closed what do you prefer you want some privacy or what very cordial everything was fine and then uh at at fucking one

point uh anthony just stops and uh he's just like basically fuck you he says quote you know how stupid this is this is stupid this is stupid he said how would i how would i even have time to set a fire i'm a very busy man i don't have time for this crap no time for fire right would I even have time to set a fire? I'm a very busy man. I don't have time for this crap. No time for fire. I don't have time to collect all my mail and make a fire bomb and go all the way down there. You have time to argue over $600 checks. I think you have time for fires, too. What the fuck?

Do you know how much time it takes to put all those bills into a five-gallon drum? Do you have any idea? Do you have? I mean, because I do. It took me, I mean, shit. No, I don't know anything, man. I do it took me i mean shit no i don't know anything man i don't know what you're doing i don't have time for that crap uh so now he's just now he's not doing anything he's like i don't know who the fuck you're talking about i didn't do

shit uh so the cops will try a different approach the cop said uh he took a paper out and he said it was it was the guns that he owns and smith owns he says, it says you own a.45 pistol, a.22 pistol, a.357 revolver, a.44 revolver, a.44 Desert Eagle, a.44 Colt, Olympic.223, another.223 pistol from Rocky Mountain Arms, and a.22 Derringer. He has a lot of guns. That's a lot of fucking handguns. Smith says, quote, that's it? And the cop says, what do you mean that's it? That's a lot of guns for one guy. And Anthony said, quote, you ran that list, and that's what you came up with?

So the cop says, that's what's listed in the automated firearm system, yes. And then Smith just says, I only own shotguns. He changes from, that's all you got? Because I got way more than that. I don't have any of those things. None of those are mine. Yeah, and he says, the police officer says, who bought all these guns? And Anthony just says, you go back into your records and you'll see.

And so the cop says, these aren't my records. This is the Department of Justice. And Smith says, quote, I couldn't care less whose records they are. You go back and you check those records and you will find I was charged with domestic violence. You know when you're charged with domestic violence, you can't own any guns. I got rid of them. Don't own the guns. What I do every year, i go every year to argentina

uruguay paraguay and chile to go shoot i'm a wing shooter that's it don't need pistols i don't own guns like that i sold my guns okay so the cop goes okay great now back to the fire right like that's terrific back here so uh yeah he said no problem here so that's how they all uh so this guy then says here's all the evidence i have all this shit uh don't you know you all the mail belongs to you don't you think that's you gotta at least give me something right on all the mail belongs to you a random dude came to your trash can and packed his fire and then bombed fire bombed a woman who you have beef with that's pretty fucking coincidental and anthony said quote well i'm not dumb enough to fire bomb

a place and put my stuff in it help me out with that you can help me out with that so he's like you tell me why i'm so dumb and it's like i don't know why you're so dumb your defense can't be i'd be real stupid to do that because sometimes people are real fucking stupid so that happens you know the thing about dumb and stupid is that it's impossible to explain that's what makes it dumb and stupid you can't explain it so the cop says who set you up tell me who set you up and we can go get them i'll go arrest him right fucking now yeah and anthony said oh now it's the guy in there i'm telling you right now bring him i think it's him he was just like pointing to people randomly like how about that he said that's how foolish a question that is i'm a professional i mean

ex-professional athlete how would i know i'm not sitting here trying to insult your intelligence any more than i want my intelligence insulted but the thing i am asking you is to go do your homework you haven't done your homework man it's like actually i have all these papers with your name on it that's homework that's it i have a ton of homework done yeah so then the cop is like hold on a second you we were at your house and you just wept and apologized where the fuck did that guy go what the fuck were you apologizing for and uh he just said that uh wow anthony said that he shed a tear because this is amazing horseshit he said anthony says he tells the cops i shed a tear because you told me some firemen almost got hurt fighting that fire he said quote you tell me someone got hurt i'm gonna respond somebody gonna gonna try to do something to me

someone try to do something to someone else that's still gonna hurt me that's not right man you don't solve problems that way it ain't no 1200 check is serious is serious to anthony smith now he's third person in himself it ain't worth it you walk away situation like that walk away she'll get hers walk away she'll get it that's what he tells us also 1200 it was uh 650 sir i think he's adding both checks he's doubling them yeah so he's like i don't know shit no you're crazy so then they do tons of his he has tons of residences and vehicles everywhere because he's all sorts of shit so they start searching all of his shit and that's when they find all of his badges, identification cards. Two said Anthony Smith, intelligence officer.

One is for Anthony Smith of the, quote, organized crime bureau. And the fourth was an American Press Association ID. We had a press pass, for Christ's sake, with his address. It had his actual address on it. But the name was Wayne Pertree. What? That's the name he made address on it but the name was wayne pear tree what that's the name he made up on it yeah pear tree so tridge in a pear tree yeah there you go he's a fucking ass a week later uh that he goes back and has another fucking round of uh questioning and at this point the cop goes you know what you're under arrest we're gonna fucking arrest you for this may as well yeah so yeah they have the arson trial uh they by the way a bunch of

gang members and raiders jackets were in the courtroom like stalking and stalking witnesses in the corridors and shit like that one of the prosecutors was saying it was just fucking insane like she had to have police protection to feel comfortable why are we allowing these people in here well they have to be a reason to bet they don't say anything and you can't say that they're not allowed to be there just because they have jackets on when someone else's family would be allowed to be there pretty obvious just because you look gangster you know i don't think that's enough i think that's racist probably if you'd be like yo you're pretty black and if you wear a raiders jacket i don't think you're allowed in court i don't think that's okay to say that's how trayvon martin got killed well that's what i'm

saying so maybe it's best that they let these guys in there so uh yeah so uh the defense uh said they they had a whole now all of a sudden during the trial for this arson now they say that he cried at the condo when he was talking because he was upset because he just lost family members in a fire in elizabeth city uh he says uh his longtime a longtime girlfriend of a friend of his who knew well who he knew well and her grown daughter were killed when their house burned down in 1996 which was years before so the fire but the fire dredged up emotional memories is what he's he's actually test and they said he's a fucking amazing witness they said he's amazing really he's has his shit straight he doesn't fucking stray from what his point is he's emotional he needs to be emotional he got they said he's an admit he's a fucking stone cold sociopath this fucking

guy or he's a woman yeah yeah no No, but that's like for a witness. He's like a stone cold gangster sociopath. Like there's just nothing fucking about him. So, yeah, he said that they talk on the stand about everything like that. They talk about his old mail. He says that his mail must have end up in the fire bombs because when he was. This is awesome, too. He had a box of old mail in his truck that day because he was emptying out a storage locker.

He hired a couple day laborers to help him move things from the simply sofas. The workers clearly must have just put the mail because there's no room for him now. Just threw it in the dumpsters behind the store. Then whoever made the firebomb didn't show up with their own firebombs. They showed up and went, there'll be paper there. We'll just stuff it there. I'm sure there's a bunch of mail. Don't worry about it. That's the theory that he gives in court.

No one else, by the way, no one saw these day laborers. Marilyn's employees were the ones who helped him load his shit up, and they said he had nobody with him. That's a good point. All of this, though though jury deadlocked seven to five mistrial raider fans raider fans all of them uh missed just totally dread deadlock which i mean they don't i don't know that that his mail is a lot of evidence that's a lot of fucking evidence too much in a fire that's as much evidence as you're gonna get one i got it okay

fine but everything is addressed to him or his wife. We've talked about this, too. Arson's the hardest thing to prove that someone particular did. So this is about as much evidence as you're going to get. His name is on shit in the bomb. His name and address, James. And his address, yeah. They try another trial, and it's deadlocked again. What the fuck is going on? The last time, the jury was deadlocked seven to five in

anthony's favor this time 11 to 1 in anthony's favor wow uh he everybody said he was the best witness ever like we said he he said he had humility and and he smiled they said he was funny even a little bit and when it was appropriate the jurors just loved him no dark jokes no dark jokes none of that december 2004 the case is dismissed my fucking dismissed he'd spent 17 months in jail already uh but he's it's finally dismissed uh he has all his like people from from the from the like community supporting him uh a business consultant episcopalian church pastors are coming. Oh, yeah, yeah. One of them is his godfather, some Episcopalian. It's fucking crazy. Oh, my God.

Yeah, it's fucking nuts. One of his friends said that he found a changed man after the trial. He said, quote, he was very paranoid. He was not reading things correctly. He thought I was talking to the police. He said Anthony would do strange things, and he said that he didn't realize they were strange, you know, like a crazy person who's been hitting the fucking head a lot, you know, like people with brain damage.

He said, quote, I think he has a multifaceted personality. He's been in some really tough places and he's been at the top of the food chain. Like, yeah. And at the top of the food chain, he had his head bashed in a lot. Now his brains are putting, did he just call him schizo? I think he did a multifaceted personality. That just call him schizo i think he did a multi-faceted personality that's nice for schizo also he's asking you lots of questions because he still has shit to hide that's the other thing yeah this this friend said he ended the relationship with anthony said

finally i said quote if you can't talk to me straight there's no reason for us to talk uh he said that uh i guess i was around during him during a good time and then i saw his descent into not having fun yeah yeah because it's not as fun to burn shit to the ground so uh october 7 2008 empty stretch of road uh outside of uh outside of a town in rural california here uh there is a uh 30 something hispanic man in a pool of his own blood dead found by police officers uh this guy here it's not many he had a he had a black eye and bruises and cuts on his back as if he'd been punched and beaten and kicked before he was shot to death uh nine millimeter gun is determined to be the murder weapon later on. The ID in his pockets says it's a guy named Mario Ponce, and the detectives told his wife

about it, and she said that he had left the night before driving her white Lincoln Navigator, and he had a cell phone with him, and also the police found no cell phone on him, and the car was nowhere to be found. It was just him dumped out there. They do get a hold of Murillo's phone records, though, and it shows that night, shockingly, a series of calls to Anthony Smith in the hours before his death. Uh-oh.

In the weeks before he was murdered, he used to be, he was a diesel mechanic, and he took off work from his business and stayed home with the kids and shit like that the week of uh a few weeks before the the murder his wife thought he wouldn't he knew he was going to be murdered which is odd i don't think that happened but he just happened to take a vacation uh they would been going together since they were teenagers they met when they were both working at McDonald's as teenagers. And this guy sent money back to school in Mexico, sent his brother through graduate school and all this shit.

Nice guy. Yeah, very nice guy. They got married. They set up a business in 2001, like a tire shop. They had a truck repair shop, and they had contracts with U-Haul and shit like that. So they were doing well. Great. Yeah.

Now, that night, October 6th, Murillo told his wife that he might have to go out that night. He said he had business with a friend named Tony, which is, as we know, short for Anthony. 9.30 p.m., Murillo's death. Apparently, they had the plot going. There's the phone records that say uh calls between a marilio anthony smith and two other men a man named jesus christ charles honest is his name or honest but it looks like honest and his nickname yeah chucky cheese a gangster okay i don't even know what the fuck that is chucky cheese is his nickname and a guy

named dewan white uh so they tracked through all these records they were able to track everybody's if you've listened to serial and cell phone pinging and all that shit it got a little bit better as time went on and when you have four different people to use pings off of you can actually triangulate some shit because there's all sorts of different things and they keep making calls uh yeah it was digging off all these towers uh so uh they put the the phone in the area of the murder uh so uh 9 14 dewan's phone was pinging off a tower near chucky cheese's place in south la 30 minutes later that phone moved west to marina del rey where where Anthony lived at 10 20.

Morillo called Anthony. Both men seem to be near in their homes. 36 minutes later, Morillo called again. But now Anthony's phone was 30 miles north. So that's how that was working. Shortly after 11, Morillo's cell phone cell rang in Lancaster. And it was it was him. His wife said that he answered, hey, Tony, and then said he was leaving. And he said, wait up for me, and he left.

And he told his wife, and then he obviously never, whatever. Never needed to be waited up for again. No. At 1144, Murillo and Anthony spoke again. Now Anthony was in Santa Clarita, pinging off a tower there. A little over an hour later,ilio made a call that showed he was heading back up the freeway north toward this town of lancaster which is where he was found right outside of gotcha uh the last call uh on his phone was when he was still alive obviously

uh so that's what ends up happening her uh they 103 p.m de one called cheese, Chuckie cheese. Both men were in or near Lancaster. And then for 57 minutes from 1 0 5 to 2 0 2, all the phones were silent. That was probably be, you know, yeah. So they,

they piece all that shit together. We all, we got them. Okay. We meet up here. Probably go get something to eat. I don't know what the fuck. So yeah,

they, they, they kind of head over Chuckie cheese and play some video games. I don't know what the fuck. So, yeah, they kind of... Head over to Chuck E. Cheese and play some video games. That's all it is, man. So they end up... They process this guy. There was two security guards who heard a series of gunshots

while making their rounds at a SoCal Edison substation nearby. Now, over here, they find... They figure it out that Murillo Ponce was forced to his knees and shot, obviously shot twice in the head, three more times in the chest and back. Also, too, he was, again, beaten up and shit like that. The normal course of whatever the fuck. So then they get the more freeway thing and they catch all the phones going back south again before they're silent and all that kind of shit so uh after the murder after this murder the police start to stake out his address at the marina city club anthony's address uh they start they start doing uh you know all sorts of surveillance on him

on november 6th marilio ponce's white navigator was in one of Anthony Smith's allotted lot in the condo garage. He still has the fucking car. Parked next to it was Smith's green pickup truck and also a stolen Nissan Xterra. So he just steals cars, takes them home, parks them outside of his house. And one of the Xterra's license plates had been transferred to the Navigator. So he's just doing all this shit. So they end up getting a search warrant for his condo, his cars, and the navigator. They find an AR-15 with a suppressor, 9mm ammo, but no 9mm weapon.

The trunk of the stolen Xterra were multiple California license plates, government license plates, too, government vehicle license plates, a replica semi-automatic handgun that was actually a pellet gun, two sets of yellow rubber gloves, some rope that had been cut, zip ties or cable ties like the type used by police, four flex cuffs and several books entitled. Let's see here. One of them is called, quote, Make Them Pay Ultimate Revenge Techniques from the Master

Trickster. Why is that a book? I don't understand who publishes that. The next title is, quote, Kill Without Joy! Exclamation point. Professional Killers, An Inside Look at the Outlaw's Bible. Those are the three books. Those are terrible books to own.

Those are terrible books to own, especially when you put them in with everything else. There were also six baseball caps that said, Bail Enforcement or Fugitive Recovery Agent on them. especially when you put them in with everything else. There were also six baseball caps that said bail enforcement or fugitive recovery agent on them, searches of Chuck E. Cheese and DeJuan's residence. I feel like DeJuan needs a nickname, bad. And vehicles turned up more weapons, but again, no 9mm gun. I would hope these gangsters know enough to throw the fucking gun out.

He's read enough books. He's read enough of these books, yeah. I'm sure that's in page one somewhere. So during questioning here, Anthony admitted to having Marilio's cell phone. He also handed over the keys to the navigator. He told the detectives that Marilio was behind on his car payments and asked Anthony to chop up the vehicle and sell it so Marilio could report it stolen, which happens. I've known people that have done that. Marilio met him at a tire yard, he says, and Anthony said that's where he handed over the navigator and the keys uh he wasn't sure of the

day and he wasn't anywhere near lancaster on the night of october 6th which we know isn't true so he already admitted to a crime that's the thing uh they told him that he's a liar they the one guy said quote i like you tony but you're a liar, they tell him. So then he changed his story. He said that Morillo wasn't there in person to hand over the keys to the navigator. The vehicle was left at the tire yard with Morillo's cell phone, child's car seat, and wife's pocketbook still inside for Anthony to pick up on the 7th because he was supposed to get it and steal it. And then Anthony remembered, yeah, that's right. He was headed up north on the night of the 6th because Murillo had a job for him. So he said Anthony drove up to somewhere and Murillo told him to wait and then never showed up.

So he says, that time when you have me up there when I was killing him, I went up there. He told me to go up there and I went up there. That's why it said I was up there. But then he didn't show up. And then he must have showed up later and died. Somebody must have killed him when I left. don't know it's crazy the convenience of the bad things that happen right in his wake yeah somehow they're so convenient it's weird he said that in his interviews he had the habit of sidestepping with long-winded descriptions and prattling on about shit that doesn't matter uh so he would just kind of that that was his new strategy. He's a woman. Oh yeah. He's turned into, yeah, he's turned into my, one of my aunts.

So, uh, Anthony was, uh, humble and, uh, they said he was, he just said he was trying. He wanted to help them out. He was crying. I want to help you find me really poor. Marilio, Marilio. Like he was fucking hurt. Uh, he was forthcoming. He said that, uh, the two men had dealt in stolen freight.

He said he had a business with Murillo. He said he didn't know how Murillo would come by these stolen truckloads of merchandise, but the dude would pay him to unload the goods. It was $10,000 a job. And he said he'd fenced electronic equipment, asthma inhalers, energy drinks, fireworks. They said Murillo a lot of times had a ton of cash on him, tens of thousands, sometimes even $100,000. Murillo a lot of times had a ton of cash on him, tens of thousands, sometimes even $100,000. And even the night of the murder that he was killed, he had called Anthony about a new load.

So he might have dropped it off, got paid, and got robbed by these terrible people. This is a guy that's behind on his car payment? This is, yeah. He has $100,000 in a possession? That was the first story. Now he's telling the truth. First, he wasn't. The first three stories were a lie. Now he's telling the truth.

First, he wasn't. The first three stories were a lie. So meanwhile, the first time he admits to a crime, I was going to commit insurance fraud. Now it's we sell stolen shit together. And sometimes he's got 100 Gs in cash. He's admitting to every crime except murder. That's what idiots do. They found that's the window they gave him.

Maybe you two are mixed up with something. Maybe you can help us find maybe the guy who actually did. Well, yeah, because we were in these illegal businesses. That's the window. Now you're in more. Oh, boy. They said the whole time he called the sergeant, sir. He would express his gratitude for them for, quote, trying to work this thing out. He would praise his friend, Marilio, saying, quote, he doesn't play games with people's money.

No, he's a good guy. I don't know why anybody would would hurt him he said at one point in the interview smith even hugged one of the police officers and said quote i appreciate you being honest and keeping it real with me 100 i really do wow so now spring 2012 he's at trial again yeah he's at fucking trial which is he's gotten off fucking twice he's got to feel pretty goddamn confident. Just let me up on that witness stand on whatever he's got. He's better in court than on a football field. He really is.

And it's so funny, too, because while he's in the holding cell, because he's got like a team of lawyers, like he's got fucking money and shit. And while he's in the holding cell, there's lawyers coming in and out. And, you know, he's just fucking sitting there. He doesn't give a shit. And then one time the door bursts open and it's not his lawyer it's dexter manly interior decorator from new york city and he says how is it you've come to arrive here seriously this is ridiculous you're the branding people like with fire, you're killing people. It's trashy. It's white trash, the whole

thing. I don't care. Marina Dell, whatever. It's ridiculous. It's all white trash. But the fire? Fire's very trashy. You know what I would do? And it's good for the room. Use LEDs because it's not going to burn anything. Maybe you could just have wrapped some LEDs around the building or around

the fellow that you had a problem with. Just wrap him in LEDs. Give the illusion of fire. It's a nice, but no, you're trash. It's a cool bulb. It's a cool, but no, you're just trash. And they don't even get hot. It would have been perfect. They don't use a lot of, nevermind. I have to go. I'm sorry. Goodbye. Poof. And Anthony is very surprised. And in a poof of cheetah skin and fur boas, he's a feather boa he's gone and he's very surprised purple glitter is covering the cell he's very very surprised uh so uh they send all three people him and his chucky cheese and dewan yeah uh they get three separate trials in 2012 uh they attack different aspects of the prosecution.

They show they bring in a bank loan officer to show that that Murillo's wife had often missed payments on the Navigator, showing that maybe Murillo did want to get rid of the car for an insurance scam. Smith's lawyer pressed home the point. They said the phone records put Dewan and she's near the murder scene. The last transmission from Anthony's cell was 45 minutes south of Lancaster. So I don't know why you're putting him in it. And they're not there. They're not co-defendants.

So he's just going, there's two boogeymen out there having a trial. It seems like they're trying to put Mike Lyon away. That's what they're saying. So they're all blaming each other, going, I don't know. Shrugging their shoulders. He said, you know, he said Evans, the attorney said he pointed out that five calls Anthony made to Murillo's phone the morning after the murder. He said, why would he call a man he allegedly just murdered to make it look good? I would think. But yeah, the the defense here, they kept saying that they they tried to obscure the fact that that Smith had actually traveled toward Lancaster that night.

And in speaking with Murillo the whole time, they. They tried to like blow that whole thing off. Also that he had possession of the cell phone, his SUV, changed his story five fucking times. The whole thing. It's it's it's a lot without anything even. It's it's no murder weapon, no murder weapon. But it seems like a solid case. You got his dead guy's car and you're fucking. And the phone that you talk to him on, you know, like that's the part that really slams the door on it.

Yes. You talk to him, but you didn't meet up with him. But now you have his fucking phone. Yeah. No, it's fucking absolutely true. Cheese and DeJuan are found guilty. Cheese gets 35 years to life. Wow.

And I don't know. I'm not sure what DeJuan got. What ends up happening, though, is the Smith's jury is fucking deadlocked again, eight to four in favor of the prosecution. And there's a mistrial there. But they have another trial, obviously. Now, by the way, after Murillo's murder, Angie lost their home, their business with the kids she went on public assistance and got a job working as a cashier jesus and oh by the way uh marilio's death that was her youngest son's birthday that was her youngest son's sixth birthday what an asshole if you could just kick that lady in the fucking twat a little harder jesus christ man uh horrible so in 2011 the cold case unit reopens the earlier murders now they're like well fuck marilia let's go back a little bit here and they end up opening up and go yeah we have tons of evidence from those

other guys uh so october 12th he's going to try october 2012 he's going to trial for all four fucking murders now all of them yeah let's round them up here uh it's the the marilia murder they go back to 899 2001 which, which is right after he retired. He pleads not guilty. The prosecutor says they don't have any DNA evidence, no fingerprints, no murder weapons, no eyewitness testimony, the whole thing. Family members of the Henderson, Denny Ray Henderson and the Nettles brothers were in the courtroom. It was a long trial. We'll put it that way.

Ricky's kids were there, which is ricky nettle's kids were there uh manny just back to manny uh he testified marilio's wife didn't make it because she was working a third she had like four jobs and got deported somewhere uh yeah it was it was uh the man he testifies quote r Ricky never made it to the garage. He was stopped by the so-called police. He was stopped by that guy right there. And he points to Anthony Smith and IDs him in court. Shook off that racist shit. Yeah, that's right. No shit.

He showed the D.A. showed Manny pictures of Ricky's autopsy. And Manny cried his eyes out and looked at Anthony and said, you son of a bitch, which is fucking really powerful shit for the jury right there. Anthony seemed, you know, they said he was trying to he looked a little more vulnerable than he did in the past. He wasn't quite as bulletproof here. He would he got really weird with his people, except for his lawyer. No one no one was in the courtroom with him.

His wife wasn't there for the hearings his da wife uh when family members tried to visit him in jail he would refuse them visits like he got super weird uh yeah uh his friend brian that we've got from the beginning said quote i spoke with him a few times in 2008 he had changed his personality entirely this wasn't the anthony this dude is gone i don't know who that who that dude is some stone cold killer some stone cold killer possibly with brain damage who i mean jesus christ all the people i for his fucking wife and his kids i mean she's trying to have a nice life his kids made a fool out of them his friends everybody all these people

he's killed poor angie i feel bad for all these people jim, all these people he's killed. Poor Angie. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. All these people, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Anthony Smith, a financial professional at AXA Advisors in the greater New York City area. Anthony Smith, a flooring estimator at Elite Flooring, Inc. in the greater Atlanta area. Anthony Smith, who is, quote, this is great. It's on his LinkedIn. Anthony Smith, quote, actively looking for employment. So he's in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. He's been an asset manager at Caliber Home Loans.

If you need somebody in this capacity, there's an Anthony Smith who is looking for employment actively. You could use a job. Give him a job. Also, Anthony Lionheart Smith, an MMA fighter with a 30 and 13 record uh whose last fight was beating a guy named mauricio rua by ko with an elbow at 129 of round one on july 22nd 2018 nice so he's very active he's a hard fighter too finally most of all because this was the most confusing for me anthony smith the defensive back and third round draft pick by the pittsburgh steelers

in 2006 does stints with pittsburgh jacksonville st louis green bay and tennessee and gets confused as fuck with this guy thanks for ruining research yeah no shit thanks for making it fucking difficult for me asshole so uh they have all these uh they have all of these another another trial, and it's the same goddamn witnesses mainly. It's fucking weird, too. This time they bring back a witness here, because now there's like, the Nettles brothers, they're talking about the Nettles brothers, and they talk about them being shot. They were shot six times each, by the way. The exact same amount of times but one brother had the burn on his chest and the other brother had a u-shaped burn on his cheek like a fucking horseshoe branding iron actually

which maybe that's actually what it was maybe they're like we'll use every iron we got so one of the witnesses ended up being back into the allowed back into the country to testify so that there was they were like fighting that to say that they shouldn't be allowed back into the country because somebody got deported. It's fucking ridiculous. Anyway, it was a guy who said that Smith is the man he saw in the front passenger seat when he saw somebody saw the Nettles guy right before he was murdered with Smith in the car. Somebody saw the Nettles guy right before he was murdered with Smith in the car. There was a lot of another Terry Ware said how he and another guy were in somewhere when the masked man struck Henderson with a gun and snatched a chain from around his neck. And it was ended up.

It was ended up being the guy ended up picking out Smith as another one of the people involved in it. So there's all sorts of shit here. If they would have done this police work, though, back in fucking 2001, Murillo would still be fine. Yeah, that's what I mean. It took the cold case unit. It's ridiculous here. So November 5th, 2015,

finally, Anthony Smith is found guilty of murdering three men, three people. Murillo, he did not get convicted for, including two of which were branded, for Christ's sake. So this is Ricky and Kevin Nettles and Dennis Henderson, Denny Ray. They also found special circumstances in the allegations that he committed kidnapping, torture, and multiple murders, which is a big deal here. The jury was deadlocked in the killing of Murilio, though, which is fucking sad, I got to say.

That's fucked up. Yeah. And so finally, sentencing is January of 2016. And I must say, they give him a good one. They say, you, sir, may fuck off three consecutive life terms with no parole. Wow. No parole. Three consecutive. Eat dicks.. Wowza. No parole, three consecutive. Eat dicks, in other words.

You could live for 300 fucking years and you'd still be in that fucking jail. Eat shit. So, yeah, he is out. That is, that's fucking, he's done. He's in prison forever. We're never going to fucking hear from him again. He won't talk. That just happened.

He won't talk. He won't say anything. Oh, that was January 2016. My Christ. When we started this show in February 2016, I was reading about this going on at the time thinking, Jesus Christ, there's so many criminal athletes. And that's when I started talking to you about doing this show. This was one of the triggers for it.

Some of the bitch started this. It helped. It really, really did. It just kind of clicked in like, oh, man, there's like murderers and shit, too. Not just people who get DU know, get DUIs. Can't get enough of Anthony Smith? No. No, I don't think so.

I don't know. You can go on eBay. They have like a 1990 Topps traded, number 53 in the set. Anthony Smith, Oakland Raiders, rookie card, 99 cents, plus $3.99 shipping. That's a deal. That's not bad. From a murderer's football card? Not too shabby.

plus $3.99 shipping. That's a deal. That's not bad. From a murderer's football card? Not too shabby. Also, memorabilia.expert.com, a signed pair of cleats that Anthony, they're not game worn,

but they're the same cleats that they wear. Signed by him, Apex brand, like they wear in football. $100. That's a deal. Which isn't too shabby if you want to have a murderer's shoes signed to you. You could even wear them.

If you play in some beer league, you just want the same price. You're like, this guy killed a guy in a fucking bunny and he signed it terrific that's that's buying a pair of cleats and getting a free autograph not bad not too shabby at all that is anthony smith everybody that is the mess that is anthony smith that he made a lot of people have requested this episode for a long time and i don't blame him we wanted to do it we were just you know you know, we got there. Oh my God. That's a lot of murder.

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