Crime in Sports - #137 - Great Robberies & Regular Shootings - The Briskness of Roy "The Weasel" James

Episode Date: November 5, 2018

This week, we cruise down the road, at top speed, as we look at the life, career, and crimes (mostly crimes) of a man who participated in one of the largest, most well organized criminal capers in history. As if that wasn't enough, once he got out of prison, his need for action picked back up, with schemes, a bad marriage, and finally a very violent & scary episode, that landed him back in prison. Its a roller coaster of a mess of a life! Hilarious!!Have a need to push the boundaries of speed & society, take part in international gang robberies, and shoot your ex-father in law, while strangling your ex-wife with Roy "The Weasel" James!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's not... There's very little sports in this. Put it that way. This is a lot of just crime and craziness. And he follows a different pattern than normal. Normally, we have one of two patterns, generally. We have the early crime spree, and then we have a career where they're cool for a while, and then afterwards they the the uh early crime spree and then we have like a career

where they're cool for a while and then afterwards they go back into the crime spree then they get old and kind of mellow out usually then we have the don't do shit till they get super famous and get a ug go and think they can do anything they want and then they're you know act a fool and they're a fucking mess and they were fine upstanding citizens before they got 10 million dollars and shit like that those ones are fun because those are super public. They're meltdown. They're very public. Yeah, everything they do is very public and none of it is needed at all.

No. Like when a kid comes up hard and he's a teenager and he does some shit, we're like, meh, we understand that. When you're rich and famous and everything in the world is meant for you and you fuck up, there's no excuses. And it's even sadder when you end up in jail because you lost all that good stuff rather than just you know your shit life that you had anyway but this guy does a really weird it's so strange like he has he's on the verge of of being something

huge and then he does an enormously crazy crime that is still talked about to this day right and a dozen books and 10 movies have been written about the whole thing and it's this insane crazy caper that he was involved in and then you you'd think after that he would mellow out but he doesn't and he does even crazier shit after that somehow and he's an englishman let's just get into it it's uh roy james is his name you've never heard of him no he's a race car driver. No. But like I said, very little sports this episode because he barely gets a chance to race car drive because he's right in the middle of, at the time, one of the largest money capers in the history of the world. Really?

Yeah. He's Lee Murray before Lee Murray. Yeah. It is, too. And it's even more daring. We'll find out. It's like some old West shit shit but in the 60s in england that's fucking murray's ones in like prison in turkey or some shit like that yeah

he's the one that came to the yeah yeah i don't know where he is now we haven't seen him like two years he was in like some weird middle eastern prison with uh scary hopefully with the same hannibal lecter mask they used to wear to the ring crazy son of a bitch and hopefully he'll never get out because he will kill us i have have a feeling. I'm sorry. He's going to hunt us down. Roy James' nickname is The Weasel, like Bobby the Brain Heenan. Or like Pauly Shore. Or Pauly Shore. I prefer Bobby the Brain Heenan.

Bobby the Brain Heenan is the original Weasel. Sorry, Pauly Shore. You fucking keep that shit to yourself. Damn it. So this man was born in 1935. So he's an older gentleman here, born in Fulham, London. So he's as English as they get, man. He's an Englishman through and through.

He started out as a silversmith early in his life. In what year? Well, he was born in 35. Okay. So he starts out as a teen apprentice in his teens in the early 50s as a silversmith. Gotcha. A little late. Yeah. I don't know why it seems odd but i guess this is a it's a it's a trade it's a skill and i guess if you're

a silversmith or a jeweler of those are they're in demand they still work today it's a high yeah they don't have machines to make exactly what you want i guess and it's an art form still i think or at least a craft i don't know if it's an art but it's a craft damn it it's a craft so it's an art form still, I think, or at least a craft. I don't know if it's an art, but it's a craft, damn it. We'll go with craft. It's a craft. So it's sort of an art, I guess. I don't know. So he's a silversmith, but he's still very into sports.

He's very into anything competitive. He's a very competitive guy, which is an odd thing for a silversmith because that's like a very calm, very intricate. You've got to really be focused and cool. Maybe that's what it is cool you can't be like jacked up and be like fuck yeah let's do this and then sit down and like tiny little piece of jewelry with a tweezer and a magnifying glass you have to go into that shit calm like freeman on the wire when he's making dollhouse furniture yeah you should see that it's i was so excited to relate

to something yeah no sorry it's not you're not gonna relate to that buddy it's not a great outdoors reference i apologize so we'll get one in don't worry all right so uh yeah he uh so he ends up having a trial for the queens park rangers football team the soccer team uh which is a big shit football team actually and uh uh he i don't think he made the team of any kind but he was good enough to at least get a tryout he uh he was a champion water skier oh which is insane this is in the early 60s this is like late 50s early 60s as a team no but i back then he did it on accident he did on one fucking leg over the whole lake and then he was done his ass that's true also like on the wire nobody ever water skied on the wire wait was it that look no that was police that was police again the look on your face when i said like on the wire you were like they water ski on the wire never picture one time omar was like i'm a water ski up to this boat

and rob these motherfuckers blind that's would have been the jump the shark moment right there for for the wire definitely but yeah who's impressed with this shit so i i don't know if he was better or worse than John Candy. That's it could go either way. He did it on accident. That's incredible. That's what's incredible. But chubby people are buoyant as fuck.

So they are. But he was going backwards. He did jumps and shit, which is pretty impressive. I did the cat tails. He did. He did a jump and a swirl, too. He did a twirl and a jump. And it's pretty fucking impressive.

John Candy's a pro. So apparently water skiing wasn't enough for him in terms of adrenaline, I guess. Water skiing and soccer. So he turned to racing cars or carts at the time, the karting ones. In 1960 is when he began racing motorized shit, basically. And he represented Britain at european championship meeting in france and he won four out of five races there wow right away so he was kind of a savant for racing and yeah he really was and then when he really had an impressive start to his career as

well it's so strange though but back then you couldn't and it really how every racing one we've ever done every racing episode there's all this crime. It's all crime to fund the race. Right. It's never like on the side where, like, you'll see, like, an NFL player with a huge contract. He's selling a bunch of cocaine. You're like, why the fuck are you doing that? Whereas these people, it's literally like we're doing we're importing, you know, tons of weed so we can fund our race team because it's way more expensive to race than you make in the 70s.

This was pre when it had huge television deals. Racing is a big money thing now. It wasn't in the 70s. In the 60s, especially, it wasn't. It was fucking hillbillies that were just off moonshining. Some of the people competing back then were still moonshiners. They're still criminals. Retired moonshiners that are doing this

shit now. The racing thing is kind of like the system that we have in place where the impoverished are selling drugs to pay off their court fees. It's kind of like that, except these people don't have to race. The impoverished does have to breathe.

Eat and live and pay rent. Nobody says you have to be a racer, but if and eat and live and pay rent nobody says you have to be a racer but if you want to be a racer apparently you had to be a criminal as well unless you came from a wealthy background it was kind of like horse racing sort of a thing like you could either be a blue blood or you could be a gangster and be involved in horse racing one of the two but either way you're going to may have to have money one way or another you got to pay the fees yeah it's and so nobody with a nine to five just normal dude is being a race, you know, owning a race team or a horse at this point. He sees the, I don't know how you say this and I'll never get it right and people are

going to bitch at me for it if they know cars, but I don't give a fuck because I don't know cars. Brabham? B-A-R-B-H-A-M? B-R-A-B? B-R-A-B-H-A-M? Sounds like a Brabham. Brabham? Brabham? B-A-R-B-H-A-M. B-R-A-B. B-R-A-B-H-A-M. Sounds like a Brabham.

Brabham. Brabham. I don't know. He saw this car. The guy who made the car, Jack Brabham, I guess, he just turned into a manufacturer as well as a driver. And he had this car. It was a 1962 version of his car. And Roy fucking wanted this car.

He wanted this car from this guy uh bad so his whole uh he was trying to get this guy to sell him the car which he eventually does uh he's always into racing as a young age just because of he likes adrenaline he's a lot of these guys that we do the racing guys they're adrenaline junkie kind of guys they're which jesus christ if you want to drive as fast as you can and almost kill yourself a lot that's you kind of have to be that kind of cat you're not a baseball player who's going to sit in right field and wait for a ball for a while so uh plus he was english so that was also going fast like that really is terrifying it is if you can't just some people aren't terrified really enjoy it and and just take it in if you can't do that, you better not fucking do it.

It's like when they talk to the Iceman, Richard Kuklinski, and they say that he has a personality where he doesn't get... Like he said, if you weren't a psychopath, you'd make a great fighter pilot because you have a fearless thing. You can have it. That's what these guys have to have because otherwise, if you have any thought of, oh shit, you're going to crash because you can't have that. You have to be on all instinct and into it. Have you ever been on a bicycle going really fast and you envision yourself crashing and

then you do? Oh, you will crash. That's why they say don't look down when you're up somewhere high. Hey, don't look down. Why? Because then you're going to fall. Otherwise, you'd be fucking fine. Your mind is a fucked up, horrible place.

I used to jump my bike over all kinds of things and wheelies and stuff and every time i would do something new yeah and and the first time i do it i could see it happening where i would hurt myself and i would do it exactly that's it's the board it's the board i thought it's the board jobs might as well say i don't think it was said on the show you didn't jimmy johnson who i can't stand an ex-cowboys coach of a team i can't stand also uh so for me to like something he says it has to be really good because i can't stand that fucking idiot so anyway uh this guy he has a thing in dallas that he told the guys and it's brilliant and you kind of have to uh to get through to a football team there's 53 guys so you kind of have to some of them are smart and some of

them are dumb as stumps so you really have to say shit in a broad way for everybody to get it. And he said something that I think is brilliant. And he said, if I put a 2x4 on the ground all the way across the room, he goes, 53 of you guys, every single one of you guys could walk across that 2x4 to the other end of the room. No fucking problem. You're all athletic young guys. Boop, you'd walk over there and be like, what's the problem? If I put that 2x4 20 feet in the air, most of would fall off same two by four it's the same walk it's the same

everything but you're letting your mind yeah fuck with you and all the outside factors fuck with you and that's the most impressive thing i've ever heard an asshole say it's pretty good i gotta say good for you jimmy johnson i don't know what coach you stole that from in the 50s or something when you were playing you know running back for some high school team in the middle of nowhere but good job stealing it that's pretty smart he heard bum phillips uh rattle it off when his team was playing bum's team that's probably yeah that's probably what is he's listening at a cup up on the wall what he's okay hold on a great coach hold on he's got he got to say so yeah so uh he's roy james though he's into all this shit from a very young age he's

always getting busted in little petty crimes and he's always out running around and it's kind of just a troublemaker and he's just got a lot of energy you know he's got a lot of energy he likes speed he likes adrenaline he would steal cars yeah um yeah then he would also he wanted a race so he would uh you know he would do things to get money to race to and little races and shit. So he started funding his racing early in shitty ways. He he also wanted this car that I said that's very expensive. And so he had to had to do some shit on the side. So what he would do is he got a job.

And this is insane this is some movie shit nowadays this doesn't happen a heist gang yeah there's a heist gang first of all there's not a lot of heist gangs running around nowadays there's a heist gang and it's like fucking oceans 11 like they all have a function like one guy's the safe guy and this guy's that guy he's the getaway driver that's his job he's okay he's a race car driver whose job is the getaway driver and they put him in a fast car and they throw the loot to him and he fucking takes off through the streets and tears ass to wherever they're going right and that way he can try to lose the cops if they're on to him or whatever the fuck it is i don't know what it is

but it just sounds like a great uh plot in a movie yeah really i like i like the whole device of having this race car driver here. That was the only flaw in the town to me, was that the getaway driver was a big, fat, lazy fuck. That's never going to work. He's like, that guy's never going to get away. No. Stop it. No, no.

It's like on The Wire. When they send those two guys, never fucking mind. And the one gets shot because he didn't listen. And he said, oh, they're going to start getting all the glory of shooting them, and we're not going to get shit. And then he ends up getting shot in the head. Stupid. Slim Charles told him, don't bust off because you're going to you don't want to shoot across your driver. That's what's going to happen.

Don't fuck. See, when Slim Charles says some shit, you listen. God damn it. He's a good clubhouse guy. Slim Charles. He's just there to make sure the team does. Every team needs a Slim Charles is all I'm saying. So, yeah, this he needs to do this.

He's a he's very he's very uh he's fast he's uh he drives fast he's crazy as fuck he's one of those guys it's just like well he's crazy as shit he's not gonna pull over he's he's either gonna get away or you know go out in a burst of flames one of the two so either way we're gonna be good he's not gonna get caught and tell on everybody probably uh so uh he was recognized as pretty damn good at it, too, as far as London heist gang getaway drivers of the early 60s are concerned. I'm loving this, the thought of it. Everyone's wearing leather from head to toe. The leather cap and the leather thing and leather gloves, and they're all, it's very moist and damp, and it's always foggy.

This is terrific. They don't have fingerless, either. He has, like, the full leathers with the strap with that little patch of skin. Yeah. I know that's where you were going. Those racing gloves. And a leather Kangol hat, like a floppier version of it. Like the bill attaches to the top of it.

Samuel Jackson, except floppier. A little bit floppier. More like the ACDC guy wears, but made of leather. They don't know better to wear it backwards. No, fuck no. They just wear it straightforward. Oh, no, this is the early 60s, too. That makes him look like a motorcycle punk.

Goddamn staple. Yeah, it's a goddamn staple. Decade gets a little later, he's going to have a chain wallet. You never know. That's terrific. It's English Hell's Angel, is what he just described. Very polite, clean-shaven. Yeah, they look great.

They looked fantastic. They're just bad motherfuckers. I'd like to see that. Compare the Hell's Angels types of the early 60s in England to our Oakland version, let's say. It's like getting your ass kicked by a group of golfers. Yeah, that's what it would look like. Without their clubs they just like knock the shit out of everybody come here old chap just beating the other shit out of you with their fucking that's this is why my knuckles are missing just pop pop pop right punch in the mouth

right rap on the jaw young one yeah just very positive about it nope nope come here with a smile come get some let's let's go come get some let's go now come get your wallop and just let's do it and they're like they're like twist the wrist like oh yeah do one of these little muhammad ali when he was the elbow hell yes muhammad ali do it with the right and jab you with the left except he actually hits you with that one so yeah he becomes kind of

into this gang run by a guy named Bruce Reynolds he becomes their getaway driver and they do all sorts of shit they're into like payroll type snatches like payroll trucks like the brinks truck got it or something if somebody was delivering a payroll that's what they wanted to hit or uh shit like that they like bold big heists this this this group they weren't

somebody who was a they weren't cat burglar and some shit in the middle of the night real quick and getting out no this was we're busting in at high noon big payday fucking guns blazing going you know everybody on the ground cocksuckers some real old west shit this is crazy for for england i feel like they they got into some cowboy movies and got some ideas it's not a good idea so uh yeah they they would have all of these just a lot of a lot of uh very very ballsy things that they do uh they they uh he he would he but he went to jail a few times roy james for minor offenses here and there and uh some breaking and entering at one point and he had some problems basically uh he and and a guy named mickey ball who we'll talk about a lot more uh they they were the drivers in a heist

where they made off with 144 000 pounds uh uh sterling uh worth of jewelry okay so whatever that is 144 sterling a thousand sterling pounds of uh someone of jewelry in monte carlo they were involved in like so international this. This is some international... No, they're not fucking around. Crazy jewelry heist shit. Like, yeah, this is some weird... James Bond's going to get sent to stop this fucking guy. This is nuts.

They end up getting into... They go back to England after this big heist. They're feeling good about themselves. And they fall in with another gang here. This is the Bruce Reynolds people. And they are planning on knocking over an armored payroll truck at Heathrow Airport in November of that year. Serious.

This is serious shit. Yeah, this is fucking crazy. Their jobs, driving-wise, him and Mickey Ball, they had two stolen Jaguars, and their jobs were to get the money from everybody and drive away in opposite directions and then meet up wherever the you know hideout was here one gets caught you still get half that's the thing yeah and also too you that you don't know which way to follow they went both directions so you can't the whole force can't look for one way you have to split up which gives you also if you got two good drivers a little better

odds a little better odds it's all smart now this is all all this shit these people do is planned pretty fucking well it's pretty impressive i gotta say like they really they really really get into this shit pretty better than i would think like there's i i like to put myself in these people's shoes and they're planning these robberies and they're like they did this because of that and i'm like wow i would have never thought i guess i'm not a good criminal i never would have thought i'm not a good heist man what's our guy's name roy james okay roy james the weasel yeah i was just hoping that like his ball i was hoping the other one i was hoping his last name was like something that was uh something phallic testicle thing yeah or it's the two of

them taking the money they could be called the bullet boys or cock and ball would be nicer if his name was yeah right yeah even like you know richard jimmy he's a richard even we could yeah roy james i guess we could we could really he's the jimmy we could muscle it into a dick and balls we could we could shove the square peg into the round hole or the round peg i should say in there i don't give a shit into the square hole it's going in and uh we can make it happen we can make it happen so uh uh yeah they uh he during this heist he was exiting in a gate of the uh through a gate in the airport's fence and he bounced off uh he bounced off a police car that was trying to block his way he bounced off it kind of on purpose to shoot

himself in another direction like he used the police car as like a it's pretty impressive yeah he's a sick driver this guy on purpose yeah this guy knows like how to drive normal people and even cops they don't fucking drive like that nobody knows how to drive like a race car driver they can make cars do crazy shit he's like a stunt race car driver so he bounced off and was able to keep going so people were uh people were uh people were impressed with him uh and his driving ability and kind of became legendary like holy shit did you guys see what the fuck he did yeah that's awesome so he's like being on a football team he made a

great tackle at the goal line and he's legendary forever here so uh uh what james the your weasel is your dick yeah by the way that's true he is the weasel so the weasel is your dick. Yeah, well, that's true. He is the weasel. So the weasel in the ball bag. That's nice. So there is a dick and ball thing. Why did it take us this long to figure that out? In my head, I saw Charlie Bailey Gates from Me, Myself, and Irene go, What is in my weasel? There you go.

Well, that worked. That worked well enough. Thank you, Jim Carrey. Yeah, Jesus. We would have totally missed that other words. No, it's fucking great. It's perfect. We needed that that shit we needed to know i needed cock and balls in this story i was gonna bother me the whole time we needed a resolution on the cock and ball front and see

what the hell's going on i want to see my weasel i love doing my daughter loves when i do that anyway i'm sorry wait you're gonna have to go back that. I'm going to take a sip of my water. You explain that one, okay? Because that was... My daughter just loves when I do Charlie Bailey Gates. Your daughter... No. My daughter loves it when I ask her if I want to...

You can't say that unrecorded. No. Someone isolate that, please. I beg you. When I tell her to do things with Charlie Bailey Gates' voice, she's like, clean your room. Someone isolate that. Send that to me and I'll make a ringtone out of it and post it.

By the way, we're making ringtones very shortly. We finally found a thing that we had to do it. So we're going to have ringtones and text alerts and all that shit available very shortly. Probably when we're done touring just in time for Christmas. Right. There you go. That'll be helpful. Buy someone a dollar text alert for Christmas and they'll think you're a cheap fuck.

Good deal. Crack that bitch up. That's when we could have inserted the anti-drunk driving fucking PSA they wanted us to do. That's what we could have gone right there. Take a good drink. Perfectly. Hold on. I got to crack this open.

And then we cut to don't drink and drive every year fucking 400 yeah that's why we're not doing it because because i drink because jimmy drinks and we're not going to poke the hypocrisy gods any harder than they're already being poked at that point we're shaking their tree we're really shaking their tree so we're not going to do it so anyway he bounces out of the gate and he throw with a with a with a trunk full of payroll and he's got mickey ball right away they get out of the gate and uh he overtakes mickey ball and burns right by him in a race car move here uh he he basically this is pretty cool he waited until uh the light turned red at an intersection and then jetted off right before the traffic went.

Yeah, so he left everybody behind. A total movie move. It's what Beverly Hills Cop, it's what Eddie Murphy did in Beverly Hills Cop to lose the guys when he was going to Victor Maitland's house to drink beer and shit out of his cooler of his trunk. That's exactly what happened. What a good movie.

We're not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe. That's when that happened, because they sent the other two guys. Never mind. Okay. It's a great fucking movie. It really is. That's another one we're going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe. That's when that happened, because they sent the other two guys. Never mind. Okay. It's a great fucking movie. It really is. That's another one we're going to reference a lot now, because it's in my head.

Sorry. I'm going to start hammering in Animal House references. That shit's on Netflix again, and it is amazing. Yeah, it's okay. It's a little sloppy. It holds up after, like, how bad it's... It's a lot of good jokes. Yeah.

Together, as a film, it's very sloppy. It's like a fucking... Yeah, the plot's terrible. It's like... No, no, no no it's put together really weirdly and oddly it's the late 70s they were really just like who cares about editing just fucking black out for a second and go to the next scene who gives a shit like it's really nobody cares it's super weird but it's got as jokes go it's tons of crazy good scenes yeah even with society really cragging down on like the treatment of people it's still pretty well it was supposed to take place

like 60 fucking 62 yes it's supposed to take place like 65 years ago but it's still pretty goddamn good and it's meant to be funny I mean apart from the part where he's like fucker fucker brain well yeah doesn't he doesn't doesn't which is good it's just crazy that was a

very honest devil on the shoulder nobody who doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't, which is good. It's just crazy. That was a very honest devil on the shoulder. Nobody doesn't have, I don't care how good of a person you are, you're not going to do it, but you're not going to, there's no way the thought doesn't cross your horny, drunken mind for two seconds. And you go, no, I'm not a terrible person. That's awful. But, you know. It's very funny how vicious that devil is. His devil was a little more prominent than most it was a bit over the top he's bigger than mine i'm sure but it's still it's he did the

right thing in the end but uh anyway so he did think about it pretty hard though so a little longer than he should have so uh anyway so he takes off through this uh all sorts of shit uh this was a kind of a rough robbery, too. They went in and all sorts of clerks and armored truck drivers and guards got whacked in the head with fucking blackjacks and billy clubs and shit. They went in there not messing around, just cracking people over the skull and jetting out of here. And they only ended up getting away with about 62,000 pounds. The robbery was kind of a bust. That's a risk.

For a big scene like that with all getaway drivers and 60 grand yeah homemade blackjacks and clubs and shit beating people it's not worth 60 grand so that they they uh and they realized that too they thought there was a lot more they they didn't it didn't work right work out right here start counting out singles and they're like oh we fucked up yeah these are supposed to be hundreds shit i thought damn it this is the wrong queen on here i don't know what the hell you have on your money i know a queen do you have different queens is it like presidents on money do you have different queens on different money

like oh that's that queen from the 18 so you've had the same one for like 180 years in a row now but before that before she was because yeah she's a almost too. Oh, it's steep. She's a Highlander, right? I believe she's. It's steeped in history over there. So there's got to be tons of them. Yeah, I'm sure. We've never been there, so we don't know what you have on your money. Or do you just have, like, her in a yellow hat on one money and then her in a green hat

Or is it just, like, one of those stickers, like, we have on trucks of, like, someone pissing on their favorite, their worst football team? Is it just them pissing on France? Like a former king pissing on France because you hate the French. Boy, do you hate them. They're right next door. I get it. And they've been there a long time.

Oh, they've been fighting for years. They won't move out. No, no one will move. It's like a bad neighbor. And they have a channel between them. They have like a nice hedgerow, like in terms of neighbors go. There's a pretty thick hedge. I mean, it's swimmable, but it's still a bit.

You can barely see it from the other side, so it's not that bad, but still, man, it's awfully close. They're going to fight. They're going to fight, and they have fought for so long. Somebody's got to give up. I mean, it's going to be the French. Yeah. But the French are going to be very cocky about it

because they're like, you know, nice boiled meats over there. We've been inventing cuisine for the last few hundred years while you guys have been eating shit oh way to get on board in the last 15 years since fucking gordon ramsey got a tv show you guys figured out food that wasn't boiled to shit nice job and then the english are making fun of them for i assume uh lack of hygiene and um i don't know. What else do you make fun of the French for? The second that your population smells terrible, you can make fun of them forever. The English, are they known for smelling good? No, but the French are known for smelling terrible.

The English will at least put on a big thick sweater and keep it in there. You won't smell it at all. The French will let it flow with a tank top on. They don't give a shit. Armpits swinging. Yeah, that's the difference. The English with a tank top on. They don't give a shit. Armpits swinging. Yeah, that's the difference. The English are a little more polite. The French just smoke cigarettes to try to cover it.

And then it just smells like a filthy ashtray. Oh, perfect. That's what it is. It smells like an ashtray filled with sweat. Thank you. Oh, good. A horse crotch tray. Very nice.

Thank you. Yeah, no, put your spud out right there. Yeah. That's excellent. Good place for it. Oh, my God. So another thing this robbery did, besides net them very little and put them up for a lot of risk is really put them under a microscope from law enforcement. I'm sure this is a big ballsy payroll heist at the airport.

They're going to look into this. This is going to be in the papers and they're going to look like assholes if they don't solve it. Whenever you do anything challenging and bold like that, you're challenging law enforcement to do shit under the radar so it's the least interesting, so it gets no press coverage, and they can push it under the rug and they don't have to solve it. Because they only solve shit they have to solve when it comes to shit like this. After a month or so, they might put a guy on it, but after that, they're going to let it go unless reporters are constantly calling and asking about it then they're like we really have to figure this out public fucking risk that you're beating people up with homemade black that's the other thing for 60 grand at the airport the airport problem that's a problem yeah that's that's a that's an issue it's like what's next at that point crimes at the airport no you're a fucking asshole if you do that

first yeah because you're just making the fucking lines longer you cocksuckers all of you don't you do shit at the fucking airport i will kick you in the dick because i don't want to wait online any fucking longer than i have to you asshole jesus christ people that scream on planes and get drug off you're a dickhead you're fucking it up for everyone sit down shut the fuck up and get to your destination we need airplane justice at that point. We do. Where, you know what happens? If someone starts acting up and cutting up and acting a fucking fool.

It's on us. No, this is what should happen. The flight attendants should just look around the cabin and then close the little curtain and go to the front. We didn't see shit. And then everyone in the back, you fucking get that person down. If we have to knock their fucking teeth out, we will. Listen. I don't care. Put fucking teeth out, we will. Listen.

I don't care. Put them in a seatbelt in row 38. There you go, asshole. Put a pillow over their mouth. I don't give a shit. Put them in that stewardess jump seat in the back of the fucking plane. Shut them up. We're flying to Cleveland.

Let's go. None of us want to go there either. Shut the fuck up. We're going somewhere that sucks. Don't make this air flight fucking Cleveland also. That's it. Either that or just shove them out the little door and have somebody there to keep going. go there either shut the fuck up that sucks don't make this air flight fucking cleveland also that's it either that or just shove them out the little door and have somebody there to keep right through the shitter hole i don't i don't care slow down and push them out so uh yeah they uh they uh uh

the uh scotland's scotland yards flying squad apparently recognized uh james and ball oh no as they're kind of the they kind of looked around we're like who in this town uh does like fast getaway heist robberies yeah there's not a lot of who can bounce off a police car and keep going that's what i mean there's not a lot of those guys 10 guys so it's let's check and the the people who they narrowed it down to or what about that j uh you know what about roy james Mickey ball? Because they're, they're kind of the main suspects here. They know each other. They know each other. It seems like they would have worked in tandem possibly.

So they, they were like out of just a, you know, they think those are the only two guys that they have. That's so funny sitting there. There's only two guys in this town that could do something like this. I could put, this is a total, it This is a total crazy action movie. A stupid action movie. But every bit of this is real. And it gets very dark at the end, too.

Just fucked up. What was the one from Saturday Night Live that was like a spoof of MacGyver? MacGruber. That's basically what this is. That's what this is. There's only two guys dastardly enough to pull this off. It's Mickey Paul and it's the Weasel. The Weasel and the Ball bag.

And it's names that are perfect for that movie. Weasel and the Ball sack coming at you. So they talk to him. Ball immediately caves in and tells everybody. He gives up the whole thing. He betrays everybody. Everybody in the ring he betrays except Roy James. Except for the Weasel.

He doesn't tell on the Weasel because that's his buddy. Yeah. So he says, I don't know anything about that, but this is what happened, but I don't know who the other driver was. So that's a good friend. That's a balls move. That's a Mickey Balls right there. Mickey, Mickey Balls, y'all.

What are the chances that all those guys are not going to say, you know what I mean, the dick shaft did it? What ended up happening is only Mickey Ball ends up doing any time out of this whole thing. Everybody else ends up getting off on, because he's the only one who says it, and nobody else corroborates it. All right. So they all get together, and they go, if all of us just deny it, it's just his word. And there's nobody corroborating, and we're not going to get in trouble. And they all just said, I don't know what you're talking about.

And that was that. And when he gets out, we'll beat the shit out of him for putting the heat on us. That's it right there. Or it's weird, too. They were very forgiving with shit like that. It's like, well, I understand, mate. It's, you know, hey, they had you over a barrel. What are you going to do, mate?

And it's, you know, hey, we got off. No biggie. So head for a pint. And they're like, what the fuck, man? Over here, they'd be waiting to stab that guy three steps out of prison. Three steps. Welcome home, mate. Welcome home. Smoke cheese? Yeah, here

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You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. on freebie uh james ends up uh using his part of the uh take of this to purchase the car that he wanted so that was he takes that car and uh he ends up going uh and entering in you know the circuit now with this fast car uh problem is, this is fucked up here. Problem is, there's not a lot of heist gangs. So whenever there's a heist, there's like six guys, and they're like, well, it must have been those guys.

And they go knock on their fucking doors. So it's really, it's like being the mafia in a small town or something. That's why mobs, the mafia is like in big cities, because you can kind of blend in a little bit. If you're in like Cedar Rapids, you know. It's hard to pull off a little. It's hard, yeah. If fucking trucks keep getting hijacked,

it's probably fucking Vinnie or Pauly. There's only two of you there. That's it. What if it's somebody named Vincenzo? Yeah, that's probably the guy. Two guys, two fat guys in jogging pants that eat a lot of salted cured meats. I'm going to assume it was them.

Or at minimum, they know stuff about it. They hired that other guy. They're very familiar with the ins and outs of that project. They got paid by that project in some way, shape, or form. So that's kind of what ends up happening here. Fat guys in jogging pants. Jesus Christ. That's what it is ends up happening here. Fat guys in jogging pants. Jesus Christ. It's what it is.

That is hilarious. That is their fucking outfit. It's comfortable. They figured it out. They figured life out. We see you're not doing what those pants are for. I'm going, but I'm going to eat a whole bunch. And I want to be comfortable.

I'm wearing them because... Am I going to loosen my belt? Why have a belt? I'm going to eat a whole bunch. Yeah. And I want to be comfortable. I'm wearing it to loosen my belt. Right. Why have a belt? I'll just untie and retie this elastic and everything's going to be fine. He had a plate of spaghetti. The fucking pants don't fit anymore.

But if I keep my jogging pants on, I fit all day. And a jogging jacket. It covers most sins, you know. A pound of jacket covers, you know a ton of sin a ton of fat sin so i think that's it also hey i look pretty fucking slim in this thing i'm not gonna lie it's got the vertical stripe down the side slims me out when i when i when i zip it up you can't see my tits you can't see my tits which is can't see my tits, which is a plus. I'm not going to lie. It's a plus. It's not bad. Except for these two little dots down here around my belly button.

That's all right, though. Nobody minds that. That's all right. Pass the sausage. These fucking people here. So now he's pulled off some robberies in the south of France. He's pulled off a Monte Carlo robbery. He's pulling off Heathrow airport robberies

it's a pretty fucking ballsy ballsy guy here i gotta say uh and one of these here uh uh the uh the weird thing is in the mickey ball thing i forgot to mention this earlier in the mickey ball thing uh they both got drug into a lineup ball and james and ball got identified and not james oh they didn't pick james out but they picked ball out and, yeah, no, I don't know who the other driver was. None of these guys were the guy. Brilliant. So, yeah, that's how that ended up working here. He ends up being jailed for five years, Ball, on this whole airport heist.

For 60 grand. Yeah, for 60 grand, but it got him his car, and it got him in, and in 1963, he ends up entering a shitload of races in his car now it's the formula junior circuit here and he does really well he uh he has uh 16 wins that year and uh and 11 fastest laps in in all of these and uh it's not too bad i got some of his this is how little sports there is let's go through the sports this will take about a minute and a half. Okay. And this is all crime for the rest of the episode. 1963.

Okay, so he's in his 30s. Yeah, he's in, yeah, he's, well, not quite yet. What is he, 28 right now? Oh, 35. Yeah, he's 1935. So he's like 28 right now. He was in the Express and Star Championship 1963. He did not finish on this one, apparently. He came in seventh in the members meeting in 1963. He did not finish on this one. Apparently, he came in seventh in the members meeting in 1963. This is the LVI BARC, whatever the fuck that is.

He does well there. Liverpool something. Something. The Snedderton 1963, which is definitely an English race. The Snedderton. That sounds like a nickname for your nose. Your nose or like a dean of a boys school.

You know, Dean Snedderton's coming. We put all the pigeons in his office. He's going to be so mad. They're going to shit all over everything. You would prank

Dean Snedderton. You'd totally put pigeons in his office and shit everywhere. You got a boogie hanging from your Snedderton. Yeah'd totally put pigeons in his office and shit everywhere. You got a boogie hanging from your Snedderton. Yeah, from your S-O-R-4. It's a good nickname. Take my hanky.

This race here is apparently up to 1,500 cc's of engine, I guess. He comes in first in this race, so he wins this race. He comes in second in the Stanley Sears Trophy in 1963. This is on the Snedderton circuit 1500 cc that's a small motor that's like a flat four that's like an old volkswagen okay i have to tell you what these cars are too you can't picture like a big nascar or even like a modern day indie car that they drive with the open wheels and all this these are are open wheel cars with open cockpits. These guys are wearing fucking ties and cardigans while they race.

I'm not kidding. I shit you not. That's amazing. They look like they just taught a course at a local college and then said, fancy a race, and then got into a fucking car and tried to drive enough to kill themselves. I want to see these cars. I'll post a picture of him in his car it's fucking incredible he's wearing a a mr rogers cardigan and a fucking tie

and a white dress shirt while he's racing of an automobile the checkered flags waving it's insanity it's insanity no sponsors on it nothing he just looks like a nice English boy who just taught a course in accounting. I like it. He comes in, let's see, first in the Snedderton 1963. I think I already said that one. The Express and Star Championship Round 10 1963 comes in first. He comes in 13th in the BRSCC Northwest 1963. in the BRSCC Northwest 1963.

This is, Jesus Christ, Alton Park, Jesus Christ, Tarporley, Cheshire, June 15th, 1963. Good God. Comes in 13th. The, oh, I think these are, the LVI isn't Liverpool. Those are Roman numerals. Oh, okay.

L-V-I-I-I. All right, that's what it is. These are Roman numerals. Oh, LV. I. All right. That's what it is. Roman numerals. Somebody already knew. Yeah. Someone knew that. Like you fucking idiots.

Hey, we know nothing about racing or we're not British. We ask that you find our ignorance charming as always. I know very little about racing, but I know even less about fucking which which series you guys have over there. Fifty under fifteen hundred CC early 60s cart series. Who the fuck knows about this shit? And why do you guys have goddamn Roman numerals for those? And why were you wearing ties?

Why so formal? Hey, pal, loosen it up. Wasn't even loosened up like a businessman at having a fucking vodka tonic at the end of the day. Top button button. This shit was fucking to the top like they were going on a job interview he looked like he was taking the race car to a job interview that's what he was gonna do it's like gotta get there quick made him late and fucking

fancy a race car and he just took it i don't know what the fuck so uh he comes in first in this race uh the members meeting 1963 the lIII, comes in first there. The Sheffield Telegraph Trophy 1963 comes in first there. I mean, he is crushing it. The BARC 1963, he comes in first there. Also had a fastest lap there, too. The Mike Hawthorne Trophy of 1963. I know a guy named Mike Hawthorne this was in phoenix

park dublin oh maybe he's from there in ireland not him uh he'd had a fastest lap there also and he comes in third in that race the barc 1963 ain'tree circuit in liverpool uh he gets pole position he has the fastest lap and he ends up coming in fifth, uh, there. Uh, this is, uh, uh, this, by the way, he, it comes in fifth because he probably has his mind on some other shit because, uh, two days, uh, after this, he does the, one of the biggest, uh, heists in the history of the world. So we'll talk about that. Two days after this race.

Two days after this race. Two days after this race. So it was all in the planning, and he knew he was going to do it, and he was getting ready for it. And he's like, oh, shit, I've got to do this race this weekend, too. By the way, I've got to get this over with real quick before I do my main thing.

Amazing. So the fact that he came in fifth is impressive. And had a fastest lap and pole position. Yeah. Not too shabby. But we'll finish out the racing, and then we'll do this here. We'll get into the crime and the whole heist.

So the Charles Wilkinson Trophy of 1963 at Cadwell Park, the Cadwell Park Circuit in Lincolnshire. He came in first there. Apparently, somebody was saying there used to be a YouTube clip of this race and now no one can find it, which sucks. Fascinating. Yeah, I found this message board and i was like i'd love to see this guy racing in a stupid tie this will be great i want to see if it comes out of his cardigan and flaps behind him i want his cardigan flapping in the wind like a cake that'd be fucking tremendous uh so yeah uh uh also uh i guess on the video they were it's

pretty funny because the announcer at one point says, quote, Roy James makes a splendid getaway, which is really apt and amazing. And that's incredible. A very excited English accent. A splendid getaway. He's very excited. So the now the the Taurus Trophy 1963. This is in Goodwood. The weasel and the bald man going to goodwood

jesus christ sounds like a husband that doesn't get laid much and whispering into his wife's ear on sunday yeah that's it right there i got that goodwood it's finally here morning babe finally here no i haven't peed yet that's why let's just get it over with quick because i gotta go bad so uh he uh he didn't start this race for some odd fucking reason uh now the point at this point here uh he's under observation in this point in the season he's under observation by the by the police and uh the uh only other race that he enters he doesn't end up participating in uh because he's under scrutiny by the police he's under mass amounts of uh at that point he he wins races wins races wins races comes in fifth does a giant heist and then kind of stops racing yeah he he qualifies for one and then doesn't

start the race and then another race that he's registered for he just doesn't do shit show up and uh yeah we'll talk about why it's because he's in fucking hiding let's just say this he's won some races things are great he hasn't been in prison grace this is grace oh jesus he's won some races he's not even 30 uh really his career is just getting started he just got this uh huge fucking uh car yeah and now it's uh now it's about to go downhill for him very fucking quickly now what would force this guy with clearly an up-and-coming race increase winning races anybody who's whatever circuit you're on if you're winning races you're doing what you should be doing and you're going to move up and then whatever uh what would force this guy at the end of a good year

to in september stop attending races to qualify for a race and then not show up for it, and then just not show up at all for the next one. Well, that's because they were planning a giant scheme and pulling off a scheme and then hiding from a scheme. And let's find out what they were pulling off. They were pulling off what is known as the Great Train Robbery. This is known throughout all lands as the Great Train Robbery. In the late 1900s yeah middle

this is yeah this isn't the 1875 this isn't like billy kid didn't really the kid didn't do this james younger gang none of that shit happened this this is in england the great train robbery and meticulously planned i mean i mean this is a this an Ocean's Eleven type heist that they're pulling off here. This is fucking crazy. There's a million moving parts. Guys all have specific assignments and specialties and getaways. And we're meeting back at headquarters. It's fucking crazy.

This is a silly action movie. And they made a... If you've ever heard of this, I'm sure... In England, I'm sure this is much more of a known thing than it is here probably. Yeah, I've never heard of it. You've never heard of it. But, yeah, it's – I've never really – you don't see that much about it kind of nowadays or especially in American times. And you especially never hear about it from the race car driver's perspective, which is very weird.

That's hilarious for the great train robbery to happen in England. Likely, a race car driver had to drive up to it. Well, no, that wasn't even how they did it. No? There were no race cars involved? No, later on. It's fucking crazy how they did this. But cars were around, is my point. When we were robbing trains here in America, the cars

couldn't outrun the train. No. It was about horses, and it was about, well, if we get them out in the middle of nowhere with our horses, we're so far away from help that no one can get to them, and we can get away before help comes. That's the plan. There's no telegraph wires out there. No, no, no. This was in a populated.

This is fucking crazy the way they did this. This was a plan to intercept and change routes on and rob the overnight Glasgow to London mail train. This is the government mail train okay this is the like government mail train that they're robbing this isn't like some private car this is they're they're robbing the mail train this is fucking this is a huge deal as far as uh well you don't mail money yeah well well they would just they actually will get on what the money was but it was it was like decommissioned bills there was bills they were taking out of circulation they were brilliant they were moving them from one place to another genius and yeah this wasn't all computerized or any of this shit back then it was just money that they were going

to fucking put in an incinerator and burn to get rid of fucking genius so they knew about that and they said why let that happen let's intercept the trash and it happens to be money and it happens to be fucking money so it's crazy uh this was was a guy named Patrick McKenna gives great detail. He's a postal worker from this area who has a lot of knowledge about the money and all this type of shit. And he ended up, you know, was involved in the whole thing here. His name was kept secret and was known to the robbers as the Ulsterman, whatever the hell that is. I don't know why. Everybody was very, this was very like some of the guys didn't know each other.

And there's a couple of the robbers where we still don't know their real names. Really? Because the guys didn't really know who they were. They were just some, this was like some crazy, I guess some crazy Ocean's Eleven fucking weird. Some fucking trust though. It's crazy. Oh yeah. Jesus. You could only do this back then. Yeah. i guess some crazy oceans 11 fucking weird fucking trust though it's oh yeah this was you could only do this back then yeah like nowadays it would be everybody would tell

on each other everybody would go to prison for 50 years and it would be posted on instagram yeah oh they would totally like with a big sack some money like we were to fucking decommission what fucking yeah incinerate what bitches fucking incinerate hashtag incinerate what? Bitches fucking. Hashtag incinerate this. Queen's fucking faces fluttering before him to the ground. So, yeah, this was the scheme was devised over months, apparently, by the this guy named Bruce Reynolds that we talked about, a guy named Charlie Wilson. This Goody and Edwards were two of the other ones. Reynolds was kind of the mastermind of the robbery, although Roy James had a lot to fucking do with the planning part of it. He was kind of smart in terms of planning as far as that goes.

But this Reynolds guy was kind of like the head of this whole operation. So he kind of gets credit. He kind of gets credit for that. He's like the the head coach his assistant coach came to him with a game plan but he okayed it and so he's gonna get credit for it it's that sort of thing here now uh they were very they all of the robberies have been real successful so far except 62 000 pounds but only one guy got caught went to jail that's a pretty good robbery if you're gonna do a ballsy airport broad daylight robbery like that so uh they've done pretty well too with all their other shit here problem is they have no experience in stopping trains and dicking with train so you have to

know how to like do shit with a train where are the brakes of the train that's what i mean a train's not like even if you get an 18 wheeler i wouldn't know how to fucking move that thing would you if you had to hijack an 18 wheeler could, could you do that whole double-clutch shit and all that crap that they have? I'm sure I could start it, but I don't know. I would stall that thing out. It would take me a half hour to figure it out. Air brakes and shit like that. Who the hell knows how to do that?

How do you operate the jake brake? That's nothing compared to a train from the 60s. That's, I'm sure, just levers and coal and fuck, I don't even know what. Fire. There's no pedals in a train as far as I know. Just fire shooting out of things. I don't know what what. Fire. There's no pedals in a train as far as I know. Just fire shooting out of things. I don't know what happens, but you would burn your, it would be terrible. All I know is the guy that runs a train is often covered in soot and smoke.

Oh, he looks terrible, especially back then. Just covered his white mustache dotted with soot. That's all it is. So they figured they needed help. So they enlist the help of another gang. They bring another gang in here. This is like a gang collective meetup project. They're going to build something together.

It's really nice. It's nice stuff here. This is the South Coast Raiders is the name of this gang, which sounds like a football team or a hockey team or a soccer team or anything like that. This group had a guy named Tommymmy wisby uh bob welch i assume the ex-oakland a los angeles dodger pitcher bob welch and a guy i really like that all ben yeah he's a good pitcher bob well he wasn't bad at all him and dave him and dave stewart were bad yeah he was good in those like dodger teams in the late 70s too welch and then he made the pirates eventually i don't remember after the maybe it's the a's i just see him the 80s those yeah the 80s late 80s early the Dave Stewart Welch were the one-two punch of uh

of that team anyway the Conseco fucking McGuire right uh Chili Concarney Lansford years I never I never put that together and that's brilliant it's Chris Berman I hate Chris Berman but he called him Chili Concarneyansford, and I found that hilarious, and I've never stopped calling him that forever. I loved Carney Lansford. I like that. That's a great name. Great little player.

I just remember they would always show, every time he'd be in the World Series, they'd show footage of him in the Little League World Series, because he was in the Little League World Series beforehand. They'd go, here's Carney Lansford. And he hasn't grown an inch. And he hasn't grown an inch. There he is with his mustache. He has grown a mustache though a big push broom so he's got a he's got a nice nice wilford brimley outside of that he looks the same as he did when he was 10 still he looks like

an 11 year old with a stash still playing third base the whole deal so uh poor carny no shit poor chili can carny how fucked is that that your first name is like a slur for people that are just just the dregs of society society spanish for that is like it's a for meat it's a bad that is brutal that's a brutal one poor carny lansford i hope that wasn't his real what's his what's the full name for carnie i hope it's kelly is it like carnaford or some crazy shit like that he's a guy i'll go with carnie that's hilarious so yeah they bring in old bob welsh here uh they bring in a guy named jim hussey apparently these guys were like the most seasoned train robbers in the area so they could

kind of tell you how the trains work and shit like that and also a guy named roger cordry who was a guy who was a specialist in robbing trains that's corduroy that's corduroy it's c-o-r-d-e-r-r-c-o-r-d-r-e-y so i think cordry so uh he was a they had a specialist in this way there's no specialists in train robbing now there's a bunch of idiots that try to do something stupid. But this guy was... We barely have specialists in operating a train at this point. Yeah, we have to have that. This guy knew how to rig the trackside signals to make the train think they needed to stop. So all those signals that we don't know what the fuck any of those things mean.

Apparently the guys driving the trains know what the shit those mean. And they stop when they're supposed to stop. So he knows how to rig this shit. It it's fucking nuts the way they do this man it's we could me and you could wouldn't get past step one of this no we'd be terrible at this stop a train i'll see you at home well i don't know how to do that how about we rob a 7-eleven instead that seems much easier that stops i know that works that's otherwise we have no idea so they had a bunch of other guys, too. A guy named Ronnie Biggs, who was a guy who was an associate of Reynolds who they had met in prison, which is, you know, it's the best place to meet people to do crime with.

It is. Generally, yeah. Lots of times when big things happen, it's two guys who met in prison. Right. Get a couple criminals together, put them in a room and give them time to talk. They're going to come up with shit. That's how it works. They may not know how to make it work, but they definitely know how to make it not work

because they're caught. The first, if you have two bad kids, the first thing you do is separate them. You don't go, now you two sit in a room together and plot. What the fuck kind of logic is that, prison system? Nice job. The last thing we want to do is put them all together in the same room to plot. That's the last thing we want to do. We're going to put two and two all the way around this room and then for six hours a day

you guys yeah bring your ideas together and everybody mix and match together and maybe you guys can team up maybe maybe this pod and that pod can get together put you back in your rooms take those ideas away stew come back tomorrow come back tomorrow that's great it's what i mean what fucking you have two kids that are bad you don't even let them talk to each other you're not allowed to see him anymore don't even look at him you can't hang out with that kid anymore and this we just put them together so not doing well so this is what happens here the total uh raid of the total gang assembled for this raid for this great train robbery is 16 Wow. So this is a big group.

This is Ocean 16. This is Ocean. This is a big goddamn group of people, man. So this happens. Some of them don't even know the guys. Some of them don't know the guys. Some of them only know one guy who recruited them, and they don't know who else is in it. They just know what their job is on this deal.

They don't know anything else. They're keeping, I guess that's smart, keep everybody as compartmentalized as possible. If you're the guy who rigs thealized as possible if you're the guy who rigs the signal and even if i'm the guy who rigs the signal i don't want to know everybody else in the fucking thing i need to know the leader of the thing the guy who's supposed to get me my cut and shit like that but i don't need to know the guys who are clocking people over the head and shit like that the other part i don't want to know that you do your part you get the fuck out of the way you rig the train then you go the fuck home and wait on your cut that's it yeah you don't need anybody's you don't need to know this shit nobody it's only it's only a risk for everybody to know each other so i think everybody back then was happy as shit to go

one guy in the middle that everybody trusts knows who's involved and nobody else does so this was wednesday august 7th 1963 this occurred right before his racing started falling apart because if i'm not mistaken here he had the uh the one race was august 24th is when he uh qualified for ran the qualifying laps then didn't do the race because it turns out he was wanted and we'll get to that he did the laps and then read in the paper after the qualifiers that he was wanted and was like oh shit i better not show up at that race. They're going to know I'm here. So that's what ended up happening here.

So, yeah, this whole thing, it's 6.50 p.m. So 10 to 7 at night, Wednesday, August 7th, 1963. And this is the Up Special train. I guess they called it. It's set off from Glasgow Central Station. It's going to the UPS. No, it's the TPO, Traveling Post Office. No, UP Special.

Oh, UP Special. Got it. That's the train it is. I don't know. It's going to Euston Station. Houston, I guess. I don't know. Houston.

That's the way Houston should be spelled. It's going to be pronounced like that. Fucking ridiculous. You're right. I don't to be pronounced like that. Fucking ridiculous. You're right. It's so, and I don't even know who's right on that one. You know, but it's making me crazy. That's Houston. That's what I mean.

Like the street in New York that's fucking called Houston. It's spelled like that. Yeah. Exactly. Which, never mind. People are going to bitch about that. You know what? Fuck you.

You're pronouncing it wrong. I get there's a lot of you. It's a big city, but that doesn't mean you all can't be wrong. Houston, just start with an E. Yeah, it really should. Change your shit, Houston. Get it together. I know it's going to change your hat and all that stuff.

It's going to change your baseball logo. It's going to change everything. We're going to work it out, though. We're going to get you through this, everybody. But an E is a pretty damn good letter. I think it is. I think it's a better letter. I do, too.

Maybe. Well, it's kind of like an H anyway. It's lots of lines right it's squared up squared up it's all fine i just like the fucking swirly one yeah yeah we're like that newark eagles hat that i have with the swirl yeah yeah i gotta get another one that's a good one it's a sweet hat so uh anyway it's going there it's going to london so from glasgow to london so uh it's scheduled to arrive in london at 3 59 in the morning is when it's supposed to get in. It's a red eye. Yeah, it's getting on the red eye there.

The train is hauled by English Electric Type 4 Diesel Electric Locomotive. D326 is the kind it is. It consisted of 12 carriages, 12 train cars, and carried 72 post office staff workers who sorted mail during the journey. So this was that's why it's a traveling post office. It's not just a train with a bunch of bags. It's people. They have a whole system set up in there and assembly line the whole deal. So when they get to London, drop this shit off.

Everything's sorted, ready to go. It's awesome. So, yeah, it's cool. It's efficient, I guess. And they're doing it overnight. And I guess it's the only way to make mail happen back then when they don't have any computers to sort shit or, you know, big whatever the fuck machines. So it's loaded onto the train at Glasgow. And also during the station, it has stops from a few collection points where local post office staff would they would basically take the mail and hang them on the tracks.

They'd have hooks out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They put the big bags. This is your your hook and that's your host right yeah it's like the mail it's the post office's mailbox basically so it's where they drop off this is shit for you this is shit for you and then it gets delivered from wonder if that's the word where the word post came from that you were hanging it on a fucking post maybe it's possible i guess so maybe who the fuck post yeah that's your post yeah origin of that yeah your post. Yeah, the origin of that. Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is.

A trading post. I don't fucking know. Yeah, post office, like it's an office at the post. Who the fuck knows? Who knows? God damn it. I just wonder if that's where it came from. I'm sure.

That's what I wonder. Don't send us the Wikipedia of it, because we'll look it up after this, and we got it. So we understand. This is what happens when I sit here and drink and listen to you tell me a story. Where did that come from? Why'd that be like that? What happened there? So, yeah, they would sort the mail, drop it off, and they do this all at the same time for efficiency.

So, also, this would make it so they wouldn't have to stop to the train. They'd just kind of slow down, put the thing on the hook, and fucking take off. They wouldn't have to stop and, you know, have a piece of cake or anything. So, they do that. So one of the carriages. This is the way you would organize things. Talk to somebody. Fuck that.

No. Slow down and toss it out. We're going to slow down. How about we put up a post for you then? Just put a fucking hook outside. Why do I have to talk to you when I'm just handing you a mailbag? I don't know. We don't even need to be just, it could be hung on a hook.

I'll throw it. Put a fucking hook outside. I'll put it on there. We don't need to have small talk over this. I don't care how your kids are. Go fuck your mother. Put a hook i'll tell you what put a fucking hook outside i'll put it on there we don't need to have small talk over this i don't care how your kids are go fucking mother put a hook outside i'll have your fucking mail this is how james would design it jesus christ it's a really good i am actually envious of this i like this is a smart design here so uh the second uh the second uh carriage the the car behind the engine car, was known as the high-value packages car. It was the HVP coach, they called it, which is the high-value packages coach.

Carried large quantities of money and also registered mail that was for sorting. Usually the value of these shipments, they say, was in the region of about 300 about 300 000 pounds which is a shitload in 1963 but because the previous weekend was a uk bank holiday oh no and there was a delay on that and also they were uh throwing out a bunch of bills the take here is between two and a half and three million pounds in 1963 money which is obscenely crazy nowadays if you think about it whoever's running that needs to tell two people the guy that's running it and the guy with the shotgun on the fucking this is just a bunch of postal employees and if you've ever been to the post office oh boy i'm sure they give two flying shits they'd be like i'm gonna steal what you want i don't give a

fuck i'm i'm on lunch anyway they just step off the train it was more than i'll make ever i'm gonna put this on a post anyway i don't need i got shit to hook you do whatever you want over here they wouldn't give a fuck what happened i don't blame them yeah so i wouldn't either or they would all just my problem just be like let's just fucking take the train yeah tell you what why are we cutting this mail just take the money let's get the fuck out of us we're a postal team now it's all moved to an island more than all of us will make in our career in the south of france i hear it's beautiful yeah sure they're dicks but they make bread yeah yeah this is fucking funny if you don't know when crystal pepsi was discontinued what was in al capone's vault or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin,

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Follow WikiHole on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to WikiHole ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. The messed up part is in 1960, the office investigation branch recommended the fitting recommended putting alarms of all traveling post offices with high value package carriages and uh it was implemented in 1961 but there was a lot of carriages without uh alarms still that were retained in the fleet so they would put them in new ones and then the ones that didn't have them they were just kind of spottily put them in it's expensive and they're kind of like yeah whatever so by august 1963 only three of the high value package carriages were equipped with alarms and bars over the windows and bolts and

cat just a whole secure like a you know like a plane cock they've locked the cockpit down it's the same thing here lock down the expensive shit and they didn't use that one for this one no no they said at the time of this uh all three of them were out of service all three of them were being repaired at the time or shit yeah so this was a review a reserve carriage that had none of those features that they were using so this was actually lucky that this happened here they didn't know that at all but this was lucky uh they had radio they were also going to put radios in it so people could call for help if they were being robbed and ambushed in the middle of nowhere. But they deemed the measure too expensive and said, fuck that, never mind. $2.3 million.

You're not going to fucking protect it? $2.5 to $3 million, somewhere in that range. But it's expensive to put radios in, Jimmy. It's very, very expensive. So that was never put in, this whole thing here. The carriage that ends up in question, they end up keeping in evidence for seven years after this so they could study it and shit. And then they ended up burning it in a scrapyard for some, because they said there were souvenir hunters always trying to take a piece of the train car because this is such a famous robbery. Here's the thing, though.

When you have money that you're throwing, you're like getting rid of this shit. You know what I mean? This is all garbage. Use a little bit of it to make those trains worth the fuck. Well, that's true. It's all garbage money. Well, yeah. Well, I think it's an economic inflationary thing.

I get it. But fix your shit. Problem is, too, all the money that they're throwing out was mostly one and five pound notes. These aren't big notes. So we're talking three million pounds in ones and fives oh boy which is a shitload of money 12 cars full we'll talk about how many how many actual loads it was it was it was crazy so they were going to be destroyed by the bank of england

uh yeah the fucking jesus christ this is amazing man i don't know uh uh now when they first start to come in here there's people assaulted immediately. They blackjack and club over the head a few different people. They don't take any shit. They're like, do this. If you say what, they're going to club you once. I said do that. They're trying to act like professional robbers or whatever.

But James wasn't really into the assaulting of shit or really anything like that. He wanted to get away with the money and that was his adrenaline rush was to drive away from the cops with the money. So, but he actually, it was his job, James was to, one of his jobs because they had a few people doing this

to decouple the railroad cars. Gotcha. To take them apart from each other because they don't need the rest of them that don't have all the shit in it. those people those are just extra people to deal with leave you behind and we have the important shit get off the engine let the engine keep going down the line now the train's sitting still which is yeah exactly what they want here so uh he that was part of him uh part of what he did the and the thing too was it was a fucking it turned into a

bit of a mess here uh he and a couple other gang members were practicing this is by the way while he was going in these races and winning he was also going at night to practice in the train yards sneaking in to practice decoupling trains so when they did you know when it came time they knew how to do it and shit which is fucking hilarious it's even more amazing that he got fifth place in the qualifier that's what i'm saying while this is all going on yeah he's decoupling he's decoupling train cars at night like that's been always covered in soot and grease they're like you haven't even been near your engine yet how are you covered in that shit uh yes they would do all this shit here he he studied uh railroad technology and uh he thought that he could operate the hijacked diesel locomotive should the drive should the driver not be cooperative james is like i can drive that

shit i think i can drive the fucking train he's just a crazy son of a bitch i'll drive that he's got wheels i'll fucking drive it care if it's on a track or not he's smoky yeah or one of the two yeah he uh so he got good at decoupling though though, which is the interesting thing here. He even hitched a short ride on a locomotive out of the London station it was going to in order to observe. They were all getting on the trains. They were riding the trains at different times to observe where the employees went. And they were really, you know, it's a lot of money. So it's worth putting some time into.

It's a lot of money, so it's worth putting some time into. The movement of the locomotive and the mail coach, I guess, was very vital to this whole thing here. So they're afraid that he or none of the gang will be able to figure out how to work the train and take it where they need to go. So apparently James objected vehemently to this because he said he could do it. But they brought in an elderly train driver, an elderly retired train driver into the gang. So Roy James, like you're bringing the fucking old man in. I can drive the train. And they're like, Roy, you don't know how to drive a train. You drive cars. Well, but you don't know.

He's like, I've seen him do it. I can do it. I'll get off the goddamn tracks. Yeah, I don't give a shit. I'll take it across the field. What the fuck you want from me? This old man a pussy this is not a fucking drive i'll bounce off another train and keep on going what do i look like here uh so he was pissed off about that uh james was kind of angry going into this robbery because uh number one there's like i said there's

an elderly driver who's gonna do this and uh he wants the adventure of driving the train that sounds fun sounds rad yeah stealing the train. That sounds fun. Sounds rad. Yeah. Stealing the train, driving away. That's some cowboy. That's my job. Decoupling.

Decoupling the drive, then driving away with the money. Yeah. So also, he wasn't real happy with the cars that they picked for him because rather than Jaguars to drive away, they get him two old boxy Land Rovers. Oh, no. Those are the getaway vehicles and only one of which was stolen which was a stupid thing very odd and also an army surplus truck because they're going to take it from the armies like a big like a big like i think to i don't

know if it's like a troop carrier like to carry supplies like a big like a probably like a box truck i would think the box truck from from inglorious bass yeah like i picture a camouflage box truck basically towels over the back yeah with like some leaves coming off the cab of the thing tree cam oh yeah i think they had one of those in stripes too the camouflage net out there yeah yeah the netting of exactly so yeah they have the uh they have probably that i think they take the the surplus truck to the land Rovers and take that money, load it into the Land Rovers, and then split off into two directions. So only one Land Rover is stolen. That means one of them is registered to somebody? I guess one of them is somebody's car.

Somebody's like, I got one. We're good. You just used my wife's car, mate. It's cool. She doesn't use it at night. Don't worry about it. You are too polite. As long as you get it back by 7, she can take the kids to school.

It's fine. Too many miles on it. They also, so they didn't really, so really they don't need a road racer they just need someone to drive safely it's a fucking land rover don't tip it over that's pretty much your only job there uh but uh the problem is they they decided to uh they're basically they have a lot of shit they have to take they know they have to take a lot of shit. And they only have James as a driver here. Ball's not going to be able to help him. Yeah, he's in prison.

Yeah, exactly. And they decided so they needed to get like they need to get a staging area. They couldn't have this James drive with this money for three hours to wherever they were going all the way back to their shit. They needed somewhere close by to stage somewhere off the beaten path where they could go split up the loot and fucking divide it from there so they end up getting a small farmhouse they purchase a small farmhouse near the site where they wanted to do the robbery uh so that's a staging point where they can all you know leave from synchronized watches and then return to split up money and all that shit they also hung out there and plan it's like a little gang headquarters yeah this is some this is like a video game this is synchronize watches and then return to split up money and all that shit. And they also hung out there and plan.

It's like a little gang headquarters. This is some, this is like a video game. This is, this is like fucking red dead redemption, 1963 London style. It's fucked up here. So they would do all of that and they'd stash it there,

let things settle down and then break up the money. Uh, so, uh, so anyway, uh, they also talked, they talked about originally taking the money away in a horse trailer but james said for the love of god can you can i please at least have something

that's not as embarrassing as a horse trailer also can we make it something fucking modern yeah please stop with the technology of the 1800s get a fucking amish guy and a carriage and a buggy and just take me away in that i'll sit in the back and they can just go four miles an hour away from the goddamn thing. And the Amish in the back making fake fireplaces and let's just keep going. No problem. So let's talk about some of the people. Let's talk about the cast of gang characters here because these are mid-20th century London gangsters in a heist.

This is amazing. So they have nicknames and everything, okay? First, you have Bruce Reynolds, who is the overseer and the gang leader of this whole thing. He's about 31 years old. He's the leader of the gang. You have Douglas Gordon Goody, who they all call Gordon, apparently. He's 33 years old at the time.

You got a guy named Charles Frederick Wilson. They all call it Charlie Wilson. He's 31 at the time. You got Ronald Christopher Edwards. By the way, Charlie Wilson is the treasurer and an organizer. So he's the guy who's supposed to keep track of all this fucking money and what happens to it. One of the organizers is Ronald Edwards, who they all call Buster.

There's a guy named Brian Arthur Field, who is an informant there and an organizer in the he basically he he's the guy who facilitates the sale of the farm and kind of helps out with that. And he's also an informant on a bunch of area shit for them. He's kind of a ground guy for them or a side guy to whatever uh also a guy named uh patrick mckenna they think it's so they called one of the guys the ulsterman and that's the guy they think is patrick mckenna but they're not sure yet it's still fucking uh you know whatever it's still up in the air there and ulsterman's the guy that's organizing this shit no no no that's uh reynolds reynolds is the organizer the ulsterman is one of the look at the inside guy from the

train yard god and so they they kept that guy secret because they didn't want to get that guy busted so only only a few people know who he is uh roy james obviously we know about him uh uh john daly not our john daly i'm. Say this fucking guy has got around. He's 32 at the time. By the way, out of all these people, Roy James is the youngest of the crew at 28. Everybody else is in their early to mid 30s. A couple of guys are in their 40s. A guy named James Edward White, who's 43 at the time.

He was another just kind of a thief in the gang. Goes by Jimmy. Very creative. Also, Roger Corddry, who we talked about already. Robert Welsh, Bob Welsh, we talked about him. These are all South Coast Raiders gang members here. Tommy Wisby, or Wisby, either one. And James Hussey is another one of those.

These guys are all in their early 30s. Ronald Biggs is another one of these guys. So we're going to hear kind of these names and going to give you an idea of who they are so you don't know who the fuck are these people. You hear that name come up, oh, it's one of the gang guys. You don't have to memorize who they all are.

I'll let you know if it's important. But you've at least heard who they are. You've heard it just after they are here. So just after 3 on August 8th, so this is the next morning, the train took off and so it's supposed to get there at 4. So at 3 a.m. on August 8th. So this is the next morning. The train took off. And so it's supposed to get there at four. So at three a.m. on August 8th, the driver, who's a guy named Jack Mills, he stops the

train on the West Coast main line at the red signal light at the Sears Crossing in Ledburn between Layton, Buzzard and Cheddington. OK, the signal had been tampered with by them. They covered the green light. This is fucking creative. They covered the green light and connected a six-volt EverReady battery to power the red light and turn that on. So the train driver just sees a red light. Time to stop.

He doesn't fucking think twice about it. So there's another guy there, a crew member uh known as the second man they call him this is a guy named david whitby uh he's uh as the signal stop was they didn't expect to do that would be climbed down from the cab they have uh they have the these uh telephones on the side that you can call in to for help or whatever so he's supposed to call the the signal man to say you know what the fuck is going on so he picks up the phone to call the signalman to say, you know, what the fuck is going on. So he picks up the phone to call the signalman and finds out the cables are gone. It's dead, right. So the phone's dead there.

So this is starting to get a little bit suspicious, but whatever. I mean, it's London. It's probably just, it's got soaked through and molded. It's all soaking wet. It's out in the middle of nowhere. Middle of nowhere, soaking wet. So he makes his return to the train. And as he gets back on the train, he'd be like, I don't know, the phone doesn't work

here. He's grabbed from behind and overpowered by one of the robbers uh so at the same time the driver's waiting in the cab for him to return and instead of the second man coming in gang members enter the cabin from both sides and uh this guy i don't know why the driver tries to fight but the driver starts to grapple with them and shit like that yeah they're they're trying to they're he's fighting with them there's a bunch of fucking people it's crazy so much leather in here right now so much leather gloves no knuckles not a knuckle in the not a gloved knuckle in this fucking place don't fight uh so what ends up happening is uh as he's this driver

is wrestling with one of the gang members another one comes up and clonks him over the head with a blackjack and you know knocks him pretty much into a loop, semi-unconscious on the floor. There's more of them. So, yeah, there's more of them. They're overtaking you. But I guess now he can say, I tried. Did my best. I tried.

Maybe he was in on it. He said, you got to clonk me on the head so it looks like it's a mob thing. So then the robbers, at this point, they see they had to move the train from where it had been stopped because it's by like a signal thing uh to a suitable place to load their uh to load the truck with the stolen money the army surplus truck with the stolen money so uh they end up uh they going up they go they chose about a half mile down the road as a as a location for this a half mile away from where they're going to stop them now one of the robbers was masquerading as a school teacher uh around and like acting like he spent months uh going on and off the the trains telling everyone he's a school teacher befriending the railway

staff and all this type of shit and also familiarizing himself with the layout of how everything works on the train he pretended to be an everyday train rider just going to teach school uh but uh but they but they ended up like we said having the the old man and bringing him in to move the carriages here uh now what ends up happening on the night uh the driver the old man here uh was unable to operate the locomotive he was retired and this was a newer type of locomotive and he got in there and went i don't know how to work this new fangled horse shit i have no idea how these work jesus back in my day you had to set it all on fire i don't know that's yeah back in my day back in my day i don't know what the hell this goddamn piece of crap is extra levers are jesus christ what is that oh a flame shoots out holy shit before that's it was go and stop. That was all I had. It was shovel coal or stop shoveling coal.

So, yeah, he didn't know what the fuck to do. He was only they had another guy. He was experienced in just a different type of train. So they hadn't really nothing else to do. Nothing. You know, they really couldn't fucking do anything else. So they decided that the driver that they knocked out would have to move the train they'd have to fucking slap him around a little

bit and be like listen wake up snoozy super sorry about the bump on the head but we really need you to do some shit they didn't even ask him before they fucking they didn't even be like look we'll give you 50 bucks if you move the train from here to here no one will know nothing so uh yeah they do that they they get him to do it uh uh now the the one guy ronnie biggs his only task was to supervise the old man's participation in the robbery and uh so since the old man wasn't going to be involved in it they sent biggs off the train and said you go wait down there to help load the fucking bags of money we don't even need you on the train anymore you you useless fuck. So he gets sent off here. So the train ends up getting, you know, they decouple it. James decouples it, him and his guys.

They move the whole thing away. They smash their way from there into the mail coach, and then they formed what they called just a line, like you would to put out a fire right like a like you're passing buckets but with bags of money so little rascals with their water yeah with their water buckets and they just pass bags of money until they get outside to a surplus truck and they throw them in there they were eat they had a time limit they had all this shit time to where this is like a real robber they were yelling out like two minutes two

and a half minutes and when it was fucking time to go, they left some money bags behind. Have to. Disciplined enough to do that, to say, no, this is as much time as we have. We need to fucking get out of there. Yeah. So what they did is,

when the train was stopped, how they ended up doing this, one guy, they put him in charge of the postal workers. You keep them occupied, basically, and pass all this shit down. A couple of them had to be hit on the head. You know, a couple of them. You got to show everybody else who's boss. A couple of them got a little mouthy and they said, well, how about a clunk in the head?

Oh, shit. OK, never mind. You're the one in charge. Oh, never mind. Yeah. They ended up making the staff lie down face down in a corner of the carriage and did all that shit. And then they ended up bringing the two drivers, the driver and the second man, handcuffed together and laid them down, too. They had all there.

They end up removing all. There was 128 sacks of cash in all, and they end up removing 120 of them. That's pretty good. So they are disciplined enough to leave behind eight sacks, which is you could have just said there's only eight more fuck it and so that's very disciplined here uh they transferred it all in about 15 to 20 minutes to the waiting truck so it took them about 15 to 20 minutes to offload all of this shit and so uh they end up uh departing clean about right on schedule 30 minutes after they began the robbery. So from the time of first contact to driving off with the money, 30 minutes total to drive off with a shitload of fucking money.

Yeah, so this is crazy. And also they used two different Land Rovers, and like we said, they used two different ones, but one is stolen, one is not. They used the same plate number of the stolen one on the non-stolen one, too, and to try to confuse anybody. So they send the two Land Rovers off in two different directions with the same plate number, and nobody, you know, I saw it go this way.

Well, I saw it go that way. It just sends confusion. It is brilliant. They really, really fucking think of a lot of details, and way more than I would think of. We'll put it it that way they're better at this than i would be that deal that detail alone is the best one of the whole it's impressive that's great someone came up with that you know like that's definitely somebody's job was to come up with the little things like i got an idea what about this yeah i got you and we need some obfuscation shit here

so they end up getting all the way back to the farmhouse as the sun is rising. So it's early morning. They pull into the farmhouse. He ends up, Roy James calmly drives the Land Rover up the driveway. No bouncing off of anything. And, you know, he probably tried to. Maybe he did like a skid around the corner just to make it exciting for himself. He breaks slides.

Yeah, he's like, I don't know. I had to get something in there uh so it was 1963 they get away with 2.5 million pounds excellent in cold hard fucking cash money uh no gold no shit they have to fence just cash on half an hour's work unregistered no not fucking marked nothing just cash man uh so uh it's it's it's pretty goddamn it's pretty fucking interesting here but 30 minutes they get out uh not too shabby uh now while they're at this farmhouse they're trying to wear gloves the whole time because they don't want they just don't want anything anything connected but uh it's it's uh it happens sometimes it does but what they end up

doing is they uh as soon as they get back to the farmhouse they decide to paint the truck that they used because it had been seen by one of the train's crewmen so they paint the truck uh to you know make it look different thing is here paint drops and splotches wind up on places like the bottoms of these guys shoes that are going to connect them to this place you're better off dumping that shit in a river bottom and lighting it on fire exactly you're better off burying it like the mob would do with a truck full of shit they don't have use for. And it's hot. Like, fucking bury it.

I don't know. That's all you're going to do. Get a backhoe out here and put that underground. That's it. Also, once in a while, people would forget to wear their gloves and left some fingerprints on it and on some funny shit, to be honest with you. on it and on some funny shit to be honest with you uh also uh mailbags what they got the money out of because the money was in mailbags were uh disposed of kind of haphazardly like thrown in the goddamn regular garbage and shit like that so they for this meticulous amount of planning it was like once they got the money they just went we and just fucking we're buying ice cream now and just ran away, throwing money bags aside.

It's always the dismount. It's that's what I mean. That's what you feel like you got away with. Once you get away with the actual heist like that, you probably feel like you're fucking golden. But at that point, now you really got to cover your tracks. If you want to get away with this shit, what fun is careful you have to be is when it's over. I would think so, because this is when they're going to be really looking for and especially if you did this on a on a government mail truck you stole this fucking money oh my queen is about to be oh she is fucking livid right now

super pissed about she's like all those pictures of me no you get them back she will throw an expensive teacup that's wrong do you know though teacups are broken over this shit so the saucer too god she threw the whole thing together saucer and cup eight million dollars oh jesus it's from the 14th century it's a it's a fucking mess the last one one of henry the eighth's wives drank out of fortune had her head removed that's it so uh uh the problem why they were so haphazard though is because they heard radio reports that police were scouring the area and uh which what did they fucking expect police police said they really didn't give a shit and it's fine and they'll they're gonna worry about

it tomorrow because they're all pretty busy today they said yeah we're gonna scour the area of the robbery for possibly suspects and recovered money obviously but they get all paranoid because they're like shit they're gonna find us here if they scour the area they might find this farmhouse whatever so they end up fucking taking off and uh getting the hell out of there and that's why there's fucking uh strewn about mailbags and shit like that uh they were gonna leave it they were gonna leave with everything in the horse trailer later that's where they were gonna end up using this horse trailer. And they end up not doing it because they all just kind of scatter individually and leave the horse trailer there.

James gets his personal Jaguar and which, you know, that's what he was. He would use this Jaguar to make runs between London and the farmhouse carrying money back and forth. That was his kind of job was was to shuttle the shakers. He could run from the cops if they got onto him. So, yeah, what he would do is he would work all day. This is what I mean. This is while he's still racing. He qualified for a race right after this all happened.

So it's amazing that he could qualify for a race while he's doing this he's working in his garage all day so no one sees anything amiss with him because normally he works in his garage all day so he's all day working on shit like nothing's wrong waving to the neighbors hey how you doing yeah come over for some tea and fucking jerk me off or whatever they're fucking doing he's doing all that and then at night he's making fucking money runs in his jaguar all night. And then he's going and he's got to go in the garage. He's got to race.

It's got to be exhausting. He's got to be fucking beat, man. So much driving, first of all. It's got to be really annoying. The road rage alone. I don't know how he could not do that based on all. You know how many fucking bags of money I have back here? You've driven tired before.

That is the worst thing ever. Oh, it's the worst thing ever imagine having to race a car tired god i would assume if you like a nascar they probably get a good night's sleep beforehand i'll bet they get a couple good nights you don't want to be sleepy here yeah they tell the worst we may get the kids the fuck away from me i need to sleep behind the wheel fuck yeah so uh he he found time anyway uh he up. This is a nice thing that he does. Mickey Ball is not there, but his home and he's got a wife and all that shit. Roy James takes twelve thousand five hundred pounds of his take of the money and gives it to brings it to Mickey Ball's home and drops it off.

It's like it's some like, you know, some that's some gang shit that he did there. He's been in prison for a long time. He's trying to take care of his guy because he didn't tell on him.'s why that's you don't tell yeah he didn't tell on him so he said i'll take care of your family and he tried to 12 500 pounds is a lot of fucking money back then that's more than a yearly yearly salary back then so sure you know that's not too bad uh he took uh three uh three lots of loot i guess as they put it in this thing, in this book here. Three lots of loot. He took three loads of cash here in his Jaguar. But he was just driving speed limit, obeying traffic laws, doing all that shit.

He didn't want to get pulled over. And then when he would get out near the farmhouse, that's when he'd tear it up. Because he has to do something. So they distribute the whole deal. So the police obviously are, they've been on top of this since 420 in the morning. Apparently one of the railway workers slipped out at around 420 and alerted the police, alerted the signalman, and it went out over the police radio. Quote, a robbery has been committed and you'll never believe it.

They've stolen the train. So that's pretty impressive if they heard that on the police radio, which must have made them cackle like bastards i that'd be hilarious to have them they see i told you we'd shock them with that one they wouldn't expect that shit now the total stolen from the train the figure quoted in the press is 2 million 631 684 pounds uh the official police investigation states it at $2,595,997 in a total of 636 packages contained in 120 mailbags. Yeah. They said that they had both the older white notes and the newer blue notes, which were half of the size. So I guess they had bigger old bank notes that they were destroying, trying to take out of circulation. And they had some of the newer ones either.

There were also 10 shilling notes and Irish and Scottish money also, which is interesting. It was a 30-minute time limit, which is interesting. The total weight of the bags removed was 2.5 tons of everything here, according to the police. And also, they used the fucking money. This is pretty funny. I don't know if this is true or not, but a bunch of them said it, so it makes it great, and I really hope it's true. That when they were hiding out in the hideout for a while trying to figure out what to do,

they famously played Monopoly there a lot, and they fucking used the real money to play monopoly with genius which is kind of fun yeah fuck it let's you let's play monopoly with this real money which is shows that they're still kind of have a sense of humor about the whole thing here uh they found uh they ended the police ended up finding some of the items from the game like the get out of jail free card a community chest card uh one of the die and a uh three metal playing tokens a car a motorbike and a train yeah and two of the hotels and five of the houses one of these dicks used the train that's hilarious they probably fought over the train i got the train fuck you damn it i'm the one driving it and then uh these all sold for auction in june of 2015 by the they'd taken Great Train robbery items.

This is a huge deal over there. That's awesome. Yeah. So this is interesting. It's fucking nuts. So basically what they ended up doing is they split the loot into 17 equal shares of about, because then there was an inside guy too, of about 150,000 pounds each, which is in the ballpark of,

which is fucking, Jesus. That's not enough. It's a lot of money for 1963. It's not enough for me. That's so much money in 1963. What do you think that is? Is that a million apiece by now? In 1969, $75,000 in American money

was worth about half a million dollars now. Okay. So that's probably in the ballpark of a million pounds nowadays. That's a lot. Yeah. That's like 10 year salary back then. More of good salary for 1963. So that's a fucking lot.

There was 1,579 of the notes that had serial numbers that were known and the rest of the money was completely untraceable completely un-fucking-traceable so they could just spend it all they want uh like we said there was two different kinds the 1957 the british government replaced uh the large white notes with small blue ones apparently that were like half the size and the final changeover wasn't completed so they were were kind of trying to take them out of circulation by doing that. They were a pain in the ass. Within six months of the robbery, 10 of the robbers have been locked up. Okay.

So it fucking shit went down. People started getting busted here. Other people were on the run. People were wanted criminals. This whole thing fell apart. But in the end, very, very little of the actual money had ever been recovered. People were wanted criminals. This whole thing fell apart. But in the end, very, very little of the actual money had ever been recovered. It never showed up.

It never showed up. These guys hid their money. They gave it to other people and all sorts of shit like that. So there's a lot of money, I'm sure, that was still out there. A lot of these guys got out of jail and then moved to an island, moved to South America and shit like that. And, gee, where did they get money for that? So they had all of that here. But they also said that it was, you know, they said they got strong-armed by gangsters. Relatives hit them up.

Lawyers cost them money in the end. So they said that there was a lot of it was used up. They ended up recovering about 400,000 pounds in the end from scraps here and there. It's a good amount still. It's a good amount, but, you know, 15%, 20 the end from scraps here and there. Good amount. It's a good amount. But, you know, 15 percent, 20 percent or so, which isn't that great here. Over over half of the money they got was Roger Corddry. They recovered one hundred forty one thousand seventeen pounds from him, which is tough.

Almost all of it. Almost all of it. Yeah. He was he was hoarding it. And he got he was like, I'm going to save all of mine for a rainy day. Put it all under my bed. Yeah. I'll never find it. And he was like, I'm going to save all of mine for a rainy day. Put it all under my bed. I'll never find it. Never.

Brian Field, they recovered $100,900. God damn it, Brian. Yep. And 36,000 pounds. I'm sorry, pounds, not dollars. 36,000 pounds was recovered from Jimmy White's caravan. And then we'll find out Roy James ended up, they recovered 12,041 pounds from him we'll find out how because it's pretty fucking amazing it's a movie it's a movie capture too uh so yeah and they ended up

also uh finding the rest in a telephone booth in uh on great dover street in south london so somebody stashed it just threw it in there because i don't know they thought they were getting uh you know whatever i thought they were getting, you know, whatever. Thought they were going to get tailed or something like that. I'll stash this for a while. No one will ever steal a bunch of money in a telephone booth. In a phone booth. Yeah, yeah.

So they said that this was kind of a democratic. I mean, Bruce Reynolds was in charge, but Roy was a big into the planning. And so were a lot of the other guys had different ideas and, you know, all that sort of shit. So there was a lot of it was a lot. It was. Yeah, they took idea. Anybody who was a lot of it was a lot. It was. Yeah, they took idea. Anybody who had a good idea, they took it. This was a team effort.

I guess they were all pissed off at Ronnie Biggs, the one who brought in the driver who didn't do shit. And then they kicked him off the train. They said he had a big fucking mouth. And they never he said, you know, after the robbery and after everybody goes to jail, he talks about how important he is. And he's the one who talks the most and did the least. So all think he's a fucking asshole they all roll their eyes like just fucking idiot here uh yeah there was a book uh 1978 uh called the train robbers which uh has a really accurate

kind of uh portrayal portrayal of this whole thing of course in the book though and in all these movies they kind of make up a lot because they need to have a main big boss bad guy. So they invent one like that when it really didn't exist. It's not as exciting to be like, hey, man, this is kind of a democracy. I'm kind of organizing the quorum. But outside of that, if anyone's got an idea, I'm open to it. That's less than we're going to do this and i have the plan and you know all that sort of shit uh so uh this guy though he planned on using all of his money roy james to put into his fucking race car that's why he's doing this to to be able

to build a better race car and move up in the in the racing that's the unbelievable that's what he wants to do uh which you know i don't know uh the fact that he still races right after he fucking does it is pretty impressive yeah uh the uh yeah he had a practice time on a thursday uh he they did the race the next two weeks later he had a practice time on a thursday the next day his picture was on the front page uh with a headline quote racing driver wanted oh no and uh yeah so uh he said i don't think i'm gonna go to that race since i'm wanted they're gonna think i'm there and the uh reminds me of our friend that was wanted for child support or some shit like that at the comedy club and they

showed up to a restaurant yeah yeah yeah he's like they think it's they think it's amateur night in this motherfucker that was fucking and he went up the freight elevator that was hilarious yeah who do you think i am they were serving him with papers. Yeah, it wasn't child's food. It was just some other fucking papers. Jesus Christ, that's fucking amazing. They said under this article, Racing Driver Wanted, it said, quote, A notable non-starter in the race was Roy James, who did not appear on Saturday. Scotland Yard, it seems, wished to interview him and James did not wish to be found.

He's on the run. That's a nice British way of saying he's on the run. They'd love to talk to him and he would not love to talk to them. They'd love to put him in handcuffs. They do, of the 47,000 pounds recovered, 57 of the notes had serial numbers

that had been recorded at the Bank of Scotland so they're positive that those are there. One of the notes had serial numbers that had been recorded at the Bank of Scotland. So they're positive that those are there. One of the robbers here, he was the guy known as Alf Thomas. They had a guy known as Alf Thomas. That's not his real name. It's like a name that they gave him. This guy here, they caught him, but he had a reputation as a thief. But he had identifiable bank

notes uh that he had given other people that got traced back to him and so his friends got charged with like receiving stolen property and then they ended up giving him up eventually saying that he was the one who gave him to him he's probably paying off debts and stolen shit like yeah sure here you go uh he ends up they ended up having no evidence against him uh there was no uh evidence like on the farm to connect him or anything like that. So they ended up bringing him in for questioning and releasing him. And basically, they had the money that they recovered from him, but that's it. That's the only thing they had from him, and they didn't charge him.

December 3rd, 1963, the police receive an anonymous tip that directs them to the money in the phone box. Now, at the same time, they get an anonymous tip saying where Roy James is also and a different same day, different phone call. So this money that they found in the phone booth, they obviously brought it in and they ended up they said it was damp and musty. The money from there is it was old. it was like some old money they had stored everything's damp and musty it's england it's england so what do you want it's a england a giant basement england the world's basement england go ahead and bring your dehumidifier sorry england england our our cigars are the best you know moisture is a problem over there it's not this is not news to you you're like yeah we fucking know we pray for the sun to come out

every goddamn day god damn it giant wine cellar that is like a giant wine cellar over there really nice we really want to go there and do fucking shows though we're gonna we're gonna do it next year we're gonna fucking be there if it kills us we promise england keep your cigars out in the open. Yeah, because it's a keep your cigars by the fire. So, yeah, a lot of shit goes on here where they're trying to imagine when, you know, this shit starts cracking and you have 16 guys and they're all scattered. And a couple of them start getting busted and you don't know who's telling on what. Imagine the mad scramble to hide money and to put shit. It's fucking crazy, man. mad scramble to hide money and to put shit it's fucking crazy man uh so there's we could go through every damn uh guy in this gang and see their fates but we don't really need to do that now there's some important ones we'll talk about uh here so we don't need to talk about everybody but

anyway uh james hides out in london uh roy hides out in london for. You know, he skips that other the next race completely. Finally, they end up tracking him from a tip to an address, a place in St. John's Wood or whatever that another dick reference. Lots of dick references. Saints cock. So what he ends up doing here, this is fucking crazy. He ends up he gets his house house gets surrounded by police where he is and so he gets out of a window gets up on the roof and is chased across rooftops oh my god

wearing only his underwear carrying sacks full of money so this is fucking awesome this is well it's like pablo escobar at the end of the first season of narcos basically except he didn't really do anything except fucking drive a car away from a scene with some money in it it's a different thing they're not gonna shoot him they want to catch the money with him but he's got he's got his bags of money and he's just running hopping from rooftop to rooftop in his underwear with bags of money uh until they finally finally catch him that is awesome yeah it's it's pretty fucking awesome. And they end up, he has the money.

Not only does he have a bag of money in his hand, which is also kind of damning, they also find a single, one single fingerprint at the headquarters farmhouse of Roy James. And it's on the saucer that he gave the farm cat milk. Oh, he's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. He's the only guy who gave the fucking cat milk.

God damn it. And that's where they found his thumbprint on the fucking, I could see him putting it down. You have your thumb on the top of it. Boom, and there you go. So this poor cat, we got him. He's like, that fucking cat. I should have skinned that motherfucker.

God damn it. Why do I have to be an animal lover? Why didn't I shoot it? Fuck. So because he gave a cat because he could he could i mean he had a good lawyer and stuff he might have gotten off or something but that that fucking uh that thumbprint nailed him and he ends up getting 30 years for this oh my word as we'll talk about you sir yeah may fuck off that's a fuck off 30 fucking years which is absolutely insane man i don't even know what that's what you got to do when it's the largest cash heist in the world you got to bang people hard on this nail them they they absolutely do one putting some of the jailers

the the people in in jail here uh one of the justices said that uh he said that to told them that quote to deal with this case leniently would be a positively evil thing. And then that was you, sir, may fuck off 30 years. Most of the rest of the guys got 25 year sentences for conspiracy and 30 year sentences for armed robbery and all this type of shit. And they're all concurrent sentences. But still more because England hates because they hate. Yeah. Like you fucking bastard. Keeping alive you fucking jerk i think it's the running

on the on the rooftops maybe here uh uh it's fucking funny but the thing is not everybody's the the government's pissed like the the you know the the crown is pissed and the justices are pissed and people are pissed because it makes them look silly yeah but the actual public is fucking fascinated with this shit well yeah they're not pissed no they're fucking like these guys are cool they treat them like cowboys this is the modern day cowboy took the trash and it was worth money and they're like fuck yeah who wouldn't and that sounds like an adventure it's a guy's putting together a thing they didn't kill anybody they. They fucking stole. That sounds so fun and cool and like what you want to do when you're 12.

It's amazing. A guy named Graham Green, who's an author, wrote in the Daily Telegraph, quote, am I one of a minority in feeling admiration for the skill and courage behind the great train robbery?

More important, am I in a minority in being shocked by the savagery of the sentences? So the people are like, should they really be getting 30 years for this giving them an awful lot like that's like they didn't kill anybody they clocked one guy on the head and roughed a couple people up but nobody fucking died they got them you know it's money that was going to be destroyed anyway second degree murder charges yeah it's not like they took food from orphans and they died accordingly

so uh yeah it was it was pretty fucking interesting here uh there's a lawsuit by the way one of the robbers gordon goody who lived in spain after that he moved away and sued england from prison for suggesting because in one of the charges they had on him this is fucking amazing they charged him with all this shit and i guess whoever he was the woman they found him when he was staying when they found him the woman he was with was uh young or something so they charged him with uh with all the robbery shit and uh quote coerced an innocent and decent young coercing and and uh coercing an innocent and decent young woman was a charge so he sued uh those he sued the state for doing it and look like a child molester yeah and

he won the case nice and received two two pounds in damages so i thought you were about to say two million pounds the usfl got it's more than the usfl got from the nfl thanks to trump so that was perfect uh because he was the owner not the president so anyway uh the so there's a bunch of appeals here now on july 13th 64 appeals by lenny field and brian field who are not related by the way two robbers both named field not related uh against conspiracy charges to rob uh their sentences were reduced after this they won their appeals and their sentences were reduced to only five years apiece. July 14th, 1964, the appeals of Roger Corddry and Bill Bull were allowed. And with the convictions for conspiracy to rob, they got rid of those and they only got they were only left with receiving charges.

And so one of the judges said that it would be a miscarriage of justice if Bowles charges were upheld. Given his age, physique and temperament made him an unlike. That's the driver. So the train, the train driver they brought in and took off. They weren't. They charged. They gave him like 25 years. What is physique?

Because he didn't he didn't physically come on. He's like an older guy. He's like a 70 year old man. He didn't come on and start fucking clocking people and saying, I'm going to drive this fucking train, pussies. I thought the judge was like, that guy's hot. We can't put him in jail. He's pretty fucking, he's pretty sexy. I'm looking at his pecs right now.

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be honest with you. Five years. I'm fucking half hard. That's all I'm going to say. I'm half and half, and we're going to reduce that sentence. Still keep peeing, because I'm going to come in and take a look at you once in a while, guy, especially after working out for a couple of years. Tell you what, I'll give you two years.

Yeah. You oil yourself up. I'll come take a look at you. You're looking fine enough. You're out in two. How's that sound, guy? You need a little more work on your pecs or your abs and you go back in for a couple. So pervert English judge is the new guy here.

I'm going to put my own special lotion on you. Then you can go on home. I got a little something for you you a little something for you here so uh there was a bunch of books around here in 1964 there was a book already the great train robbery came out immediately clever uh it's the first book about the rob or the robbery and it's relied on the uh it relied on a on a retired policeman and his experience in the case. And then another one called The Robber's Tale came out in 1965. And that one, the author, the author was the wife of one of the lawyers involved in the case.

So she's cashing in. She's cashing in on somebody's. That doesn't seem. No, that seems really fucking shady jesus christ vernon's wife didn't write a book about the oj trial no no i'm gonna write a book about oj so uh the author in the book also they said that she constantly hints that she knows more but can't say anything that's one of those like i wish i could tell you the real story, but that's confidential. Fucking ridiculous.

So August of 64, Charlie Wilson escapes from jail. Really? This is awesome. Yeah, these guys can't be held. For the London, too, for the police, they had to be like, Jesus, it's like trying to herd ducklings with these fucking people. They go off in every different direction. You get them in, they jump out the prison wall. Jesus Christ. get them in they jump out the prison wall uh jesus christ the they they would what they would do

these locals uh they would tell everybody later on people would park furniture vans uh next to the prison walls and uh and they and people would jump out of the fucking prison they'd put a mattress on top of a furniture van you'd jump out of the wall land on the mattress and they'd fucking drive away and they'd have getaway cars waiting for them uh after the first time that happens why don't they put something in place to stop that like well everyone keep an eye on that that's they're not gonna stop it and then but they said this isn't how wilson got out wilson was apparently freed by a gang of three men who broke into the jail in the early morning hours and took him out who. Who is he, El Chapo? This is what I'm saying. Wow.

They had stolen a ladder from a construction site nearby, climbed over the wall on a ladder from the neighboring mental hospital. So they broke into the mental hospital, which was less secure, climbed over from a ladder into the prison wall, and apparently there were some signals back and forth and uh there was three masked men and uh they accosted these prison guards and grabbed wilson who was wilson was in the middle of a transfer to a higher security prison and i was being led down the hallway and uh these guys popped out with masks on knocked the other guys out of the way

took these fucking knocked a couple guys over the head, a couple of guards, and took old Charlie Wilson out of there. That is impressive, considering the man is only 150,000 pounds liquid. Yeah. And he's not even, because he was one of the ones that got, they found it all. Yeah, these are his buddies. These are his buddies. He's got a gang, though. He can't even pay you, though.

But he's in a gang. That's amazing. This is great. And not only this, they they had they unlocked the doors on the way in because they had duplicate keys and then locked them behind him on the way out politely which at least the bum enema guy did that too i will say even the bum enema knocked my house up nicely on the way out so thank you for that bum enema which uh so uh they said that the prison officials said they were positive that there was inside help because they had duplicate

fucking keys that's going to be a tough one uh it was one of the biggest man hunts ever uh trying to hunt him down because it just makes them look like assholes now they can't even keep these people in prison they set up roadblocks and fucking uh ports and airports and everything was being watched here uh but but he disappeared into thin air they couldn't fucking find him uh they said that he was uh you know there was he was like uh one of these like an elvis sighting like people saw him everywhere they saw him in thailand they saw him in canada they saw him all over the place you know sightings everywhere and they're looking for him he also uh he ended up finally being caught on january 25th

1968 so four years he stayed out. Somebody tipped off his location, and he was returned to serve the remainder of his sentence after that. So four years on the run here. That's not too fucking shabby. He's actually the last train robber to get out of prison. After that stunt? Because he was gone for four years. So even just time served, he's got to go back for more.

That's in 1978. So everyone ends up getting out before 15 years. So 15 years is the longest anybody is in the system here. Also here, he gets out. But Charlie Wilson was also later a suspect in a 100 million pound gold fraud links to link to a Brinks truck robbery. So this guy has a thing. He's into some shit here uh he

eventually moved to spain and uh ended up having a shitload of money and had a big giant like kind of villa out on the coast of a a big waterway in spain duck so he made out uh ronnie biggs that's that one asshole here uh he jesus christ he was, uh, he, another escapee, he escaped in 1965. He climbed over the wall of prison. They really need higher walls or something or just keep an eye on those. This guy had plastic surgery to change his appearance. This is what I mean. This is a movie.

Imagine one guy escapes. He lives over here. Another guy's in prison. This one's trying to get out on appeals. This guy gets out, has plastic surgery and he's going to get out on appeals this guy gets out has plastic surgery he's gonna seek revenge on the this is fucking insane uh he lives as a fugitive in australia and brazil uh only he returns to fucking the uk 36 years later 36 years 36 years later to get health care and then they send him back to prison in 2001 and he finally got out in 2009 and uh yeah and ended up going into a nursing home in london after that uh brian field uh was a guy who uh

this is the guy who bought the they bought the farmhouse through uh he was sentenced to 25 years in prison for that that's why it was reduced to five because they said all he did was facilitate a couple of you know logistical things he didn't participate in a fucking robbery uh tommy wisby uh was one of the guys who was going around knocking people in the head he got 30 years in prison but was released in 76 so not too bad bob welsh was sentenced to 30 years in prison released in 1976 he became a nightclub owner and a car dealer and then a professional gambler in London after that. And a pitcher for the Dodgers and the A's.

Went on to have an illustrious baseball career. A great one. He bent his hat really far and it was filthy as shit. Good job. Gordon Goody was a hairdresser who was involved in this. He was jailed for 30 years. They had a hairdresser involved in this. Well, you never know if they're going to need to uh you know poof up spoof up your pompadour on

the run here sit out of my eyes get that out of my eyes i need a trim you know they're stuck in the farmhouse they're like we're gonna need a hair and nails guy in here bring in wardrobe where's grass craft services needs to go hair and makeup hair and makeup. He's released from prison in 1975. Not too bad. He moved to Spain to run a bar. Interesting. James Hussey was sentenced to 30 years. He's also released in 1975.

He opened a restaurant in Soho, London, and died in 2012 at the age of 79. So not too shabby. Jimmy White was on the run for three years after the heist. He was a former power trooper kind of a military dude that knew how to hide and shit he uh was finally caught in kent and jailed for 18 years uh roger corddry by the way who he was a florist by so they had a florist and a hairdresser in this gang they were both like gang guys florists and how many florists are in a gang right now i I'd love to know that. In the town, the main guy, the bad guy was a florist. He's a mean motherfucker.

Yeah, yeah. Right now, I'm talking about. Right this minute. If you're a gang member florist, please hit us up. We want to know. I'm not scared of you. We want to know what's going on here. I'm scared. I'm probably scared of you.

This guy here, he was arrested after, Jesus Christ. He rented a fucking apartment from a policeman's widow who found out who he was and told, you know, all of her friends. And he spent 14 years in jail after that and then went back and bought a flower shop. Another one here was sentenced for three years. One of the lawyers who helped with some legal shit. And he ended up being released in 1966. Uh, uh, Leonard field is the other field was sentenced to 25 years,

reduced to five released in 1967. Uh, uh, uh, Bill Bull was the guy who was arrested with $141,000. Uh, which is interesting. Uh,

he was the guy who, uh, he ended up, they, they found this is fun. The, the, basically what they ended up finding out is bill bowl wasn't involved in the robbery at all. He was arrested because of Roger Corddry, uh, paid him a debt back in some of that money

and he got busted. And then they fucking, they dragged bill bowl into it saying he had bills that were in possession. So that's why he ended up getting a reduced sentence later on, which is interesting. Even the gang leader, Reynolds, he denied knowing Boal at all, said, I don't know who he is, and described him as, quote, an innocent man who was not involved with us at all.

Which, if the gang leader is saying, I don't even know who the fuck that guy is, he was initially, his jail sentence was reduced to 14 years for having nothing to do with shit, but collecting a debt from a friend. And guess what? He died in prison in 1970. He was initially, his jail sentence was reduced to 14 years for having nothing to do with shit. Wow. But collecting a debt from a friend. And guess what? He died in prison in 1970.

Oh, no. While still protesting his innocence. And that's ridiculous. Even the gang, everybody was like, dude, this guy had nothing to do with shit. Yeah. Nothing at all. Ronald Edwards, he fled to Mexico after the heist. Ends up turning himself in in 1966.

By the way, he's an ex-boxer, so we could have done him on this one. You never know. But Roy's life is much more interesting. He's released. He ends up turning his life around and opens up a business in London. Bruce Reynolds is the big mastermind here. He flees to Mexico, where he's eventually joined by his wife and son, and then ends up moving to Canada. He ends up running out of money eventually. Of course.

And comes back to England and is captured in 1968, sentenced to 25 years in jail. Now, Roy is sentenced, like we said, to 30 years in jail. He does 11 years in prison total. Wow. Roy. But he doesn't escape, doesn't do anything crazy. He just sits back and takes it do anything crazy back and takes it he sits back and takes it they let him silversmith in jail really they let him work on his trade

okay so he's kind of happy about that uh he kind of likes doing that at least he can do what he's interested in and he's so good at it that they allow him to make a bunch of cool shit uh that that that's been commissioned to the prison to make. They allow him to do a lot of really intricate stuff. Make some bars. Yeah. He makes trophies for the different, like the prison staff things they have. Oh, that's nice. He makes their trophies. He ends up making trophies for outside entities, too,

when they hear that he does good work. And I'm sure it's cheap because it's prison labor. Some Little League trophies out there made by that dick yeah that's i'm sure there is here uh the f1 constructors trophy which is a racing trophy that was presented in paris in 1975 was actually made by him when he was in prison uh it's it's very fucking interesting here in august of 75 he became one of the they all started getting out in 75 but he was one of the first ones to get out of the actual like on the train robber you know fucking hardcore guys who were in the gang here uh and he uh what he found out when he got out of jail this is fuck man imagine doing this okay he got caught with that 12 000 pounds

but he stashed the rest of his money that was just his traveling money he had the rest stashed uh with a friend who was supposed to take care of it for him uh problem is while he was in jail he gets out of jail he goes to get his money and finds out that his friend had stolen it and spent all his money of course so that's fucked up uh that's messed up of course yeah so he was super fucking pissed i'm sure obviously bad friend and he's like i gave me like he did his part and you know you're supposed to pay it forward man uh doesn't happen and he goes to you know mickey ball to see if maybe they can cook something up together and he finds out that mickey ball had

changed his name and gone into legal business and is Mr. Upstanding Citizen now and wants nothing to do with crime or robberies or anything and shit or Roy James or anything like that. So he doesn't know what to do. His racing career was in a shit spot because he just started getting, it wasn't like he had built a huge name for himself to where he could get out and like sponsors will still give him a shot. He's like a new guy, but he still wants to race almost 40 years old almost 40 thinks this is a good time to break into the circuit apparently uh so he has good there's they release him in 1975 on good behavior and he goes he 40

yeah he goes right back to racing uh tries to uh he tries to uh he they give him uh he knows a few people still that kind of feel bad for him. He's real famous from that robbery so they kind of they let him take the car around for a couple of laps and they let him fuck around. He said that one of the people David Mills who owned a team said quote I was asked to

help him by all sorts of people in the business. I think the racing fraternity felt it had been a terribly long sentence 30 years. That's that's a life after all. He was a nice enough chap, outgoing. Many people liked him and felt that he served more than enough time. I had a Lola, which Ted Wentz had been driving in Atlantic, and then F2. And at the end of the season, we put the Ford BDA Atlantic engine back in it for James to test. I issued a press release saying roy james returns to racing so we had a guy trying to help him and trying to get back in there uh which is which is cool i mean

that's the nice of him here uh problem is he uh he had a hard time fitting in the car that he's five foot four roy james and the car was made for a six foot tall person oh it's too big it's too big for him so he can't control it correctly and he doesn't you know you got to be on top of that shit he's used to midget racing that's well yeah also too he's like oh take my tie off carding we take okay i didn't know what's his helmet yeah and it's just a little helmet thing and the mills this team owner said that uh it was huge and quote uh it was really too powerful for him. Like all racing drivers, he thought he would be even better in a faster car. But after all those years in prison, he said, mind you, he kept himself in shape in the prison gym.

I think motor racing was his lifeline. He just kept it in his sights that one day he'd come out and be a racing driver again. He was so keen. I can't describe how excited he was to drive a racing car around a circuit again. And he was getting down some good times around a circuit again. And he was getting down some good times. And when he went off, that was the end of his dream. Such a shame. So, yeah, he ended up he ended up he couldn't do this. So he ended up going back to silversmithing back to what he knew, which is a skill. And, you know, you can at least make a living doing that,

which is great. Luckily, like we said, he was allowed to do it in prison. So he ends up making a couple trophies for the racing. They're still trying to help him. So like, hey, you're good at silversmithing. We need trophies for all this shit. You're our trophy guy now. So he ends up getting some work there. 1978, the Train Robbers book comes comes out which is kind of a big success

it uh kind of the standard known as like that's the one where they make up the big boss but it's other than that it's a really good accurate representation now 1982 roy marries a woman named uh athea wadlow so so far he hasn't had a life besides robbing in prison. But he marries Athena Wadlow. Now, 1982. Do the math of how old he is. He's 47 years old. She is 17 years old. Oh, no.

Just turned 18 years old, like right when they met. Okay. Which is 30-year age difference. That's fucking rough. That's a lot of years. That's a whole, you don't even know. No, that's too much. You have no references that are the same. That's fucking father-daughter shit. That's a lot of years. That's a whole, you don't even know. No, that's too much. You have no references that are the same.

That's fucking father-daughter shit. That's crazy. She's 18. Her father is a successful bank manager. They're a very wealthy family here, and real wealthy. So he marries a young woman in a wealthy family. So he must have some kind of swagger to him. To get our parents to allow that shit? Yeah, yeah well to get her to want him too unless that she looks at him like the bad boy listen there are chicks that love older men well plus he's famous

as like this swashbuckling train robber you know what i mean so maybe she thinks that's exciting yeah i could see that an 18 year old girl just you know she probably thinks that's exciting bob saget just married a woman in her 30s yeah well bob saget has like 200 million dollars in the bank but this fucking point this guy does not he i'm sure uh but he's famous like he said he was part of a major huge book that came out and movies are done about this type of shit uh but 1984 roy is arrested again. This is ridiculous. Guess who he's arrested with? Charlie Wilson.

Oh, boy. He's arrested there. This is a fraud thing. It's a fraud charge involving the melting down of stolen gold coins. Oh, God damn it. Since he's a silversmith, he knows how to do this. He has all the equipment for this. Charlie Wilson brings him into it.

He brings the coins and he melts them down. And then it's, hey, look at that it's a ring uh yeah this time though he goes to trial for it and he's acquitted of the charges all right uh he 100 did it probably allegedly but uh he's fucking acquitted of it somehow uh so he thinks he's cool as shit yeah imagine him strutting out of the courtroom there like i didn't get 30 years for that i'm ready to rob another fucking train he's probably feeling goddamn good about himself anybody want to buy a ring right who wants who wants some so yeah he gets back to his pad he's fucking stretching out making a drink he's a i assume this is what i think of him by the way

every time he enters his apartment he automatically strips down to his underwear yeah and he always has two sacks of money waiting for an escape that's his escape i need to be aerodynamic yeah greases himself down takes all his clothes off and i got my money bags here he kicks back and there's a knock at the door and he's like oh shit who the fuck is this or this is the guy he hides his money bags yeah and he opens the door and it's not the cops though it's the mex Mexican pimp. Guns blazing. And he says. How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why?

I do not understand. You have money. You have all the money. Why do you do you walk around? You run around on the rooftops. Do you know how much money? 150,000 pounds. I do not have inflation calculator or anything,

but I assume in 1963, you could have bought many women for that. Many women, which would have made you a profit as you make them have sex with men around. Don't you know anything? You know what? We need to sit down, me and you, and have a business talk because I don't think you are doing this correctly

and I think you could be a very good business. I have to go. I have many prostitutes outside. They wander away if I do not go get them. Thank you. Goodbye. Poof. And in a poof of gun smoke and tequila, he is gone. This guy's confused as fuck because he's never met a Mexican in his life.

He's never been to Mexico. He has no idea what's happening. It's very odd. Within a few years of this whole thing, he's never been to mexico he has no idea what's happening uh it's very odd uh within a few years of this whole thing he's getting arrested for fucking melting down gold coins oddly enough his his young teenage bride gets tired of him within a few years uh they break up uh they have had two children together no way two children he knocked this broad up twice. So two children. James is granted custody of the children somehow. Somehow he gets custody.

Yeah. Well, not now. She's like 23, but she has two kids. But he's also told he has to make a he's ruled by the courts to make a 150,000 pound settlement to her. Oh, my God. In the mid 80s. That's a lot. A lot of fucking money and uh

he doesn't have that shit running sitting around so he never paid it uh he never paid the fucking debt at all he just kept it going and the problem is uh this was a huge uh problem between him and her and her family for years this went on and this went on uh. Her father, David Wadlaw is his name. He was the bank manager. This guy is like hunting James down for the money. You owe my daughter 150,000 pounds. It's been set in court. We want our fucking money. So we'll get to that in a second. But first, we have to tell you about what happened to a couple of people. Charlie Wilson, this guy had a bad time here. Charlie Wilson was, Jesus Christ jesus christ he's in south london still doing a bunch of street shit in 1990 he's uh he allegedly cheats uh cheats a drug dealer out of

some money in a drug deal and then he is riding down the street on a bike and shot and killed oh no in 1990 uh yeah so uh the uh the uh the uh wilson's wife pat saw the murder and she named a man who she claimed was the hitman who she saw the guy who went rode away on a bike and somebody shot him as he was like riding away from her uh which is interesting in very england very very english as fuck goodbye love pop oh no he's down on his twin oh. Oh, no. She ran down. Oh, no. But she couldn't show too much emotion. You know, so that's the thing. She had to keep it kind of cool.

So poor Charlie Wilson. He's had a lot going on. Yeah. This fucking guy is all sorts of shit happening. Now, 1993, he Roy James is in an argument with his father in law, David Wadlow. His father in law wants the money again. And which is fucking interesting here uh so they uh they returned from basically uh uh the father and the ex-wife yes had this is crazy the father and the ex-wife had the kids out for the day they

returned them to roy uh at the time they they said, hey, where's my money? Are you going to ever pay us my money? Roy decides he's had enough, and what he does is he pistol whips his father-in-law, and then shoots him three times. And then pistol whips his wife, and begins to strangle her as well. He has fucking

had it. He's had it. He said, pop, pop, pop, strangle, strangle, strangle. He's pistol whipping and strangling and shooting anybody he can get fucking hands he's lost it yeah he's been taught he's tired of being asked the same thing for five fucking years he's tired of it he's like i married you because you have money right i don't have shit you're not getting shit out but as uh mcnulty would say in the wire blood from a stone darling when his ex-wife wants money from him he just says blood from a stone darling he smiles that's all you can say and uh so uh yeah shoots his father-in-law three times leaving him doesn't kill him leaves him uh partly disabled and a bunch of scars all over him and shit like that

uh he he calmly calls the police on himself he didn't try to make a runaway or anything he's like yeah i just shot my father-in-law oh yeah i put a strangle my wife too so bring two bring two paramedics probably uh i'm gonna need to do that uh he is charged with attempted murder yeah on this one of course so uh obviously yeah you you know you shoot somebody that's probably attempted murder and uh he is ends up goes to court and you sir yeah may fuck off again yeah uh sentenced to six years in prison for attempted murder. Six years of attempted murder, 30 for fucking bed robbing. 30 for decoupling a train car, driving away with some money.

Yeah, interesting. You're doing it right, England. Yeah, not too shabby. So this is 1993. He shoots his father-in-law and he's put in jail for six years. But after about three years, he begins to have heart problems.

Oh, no. In 1996, he's still in prison and has a heart attack and uh and uh then they're gonna release him and so it's then they just release him onto the world so i mean fuck man if you're like his family it's like okay this guy's been in and out of prison now he's out of prison you give him to us while he's dying and destitute thanks a lot now we gotta pay for this shit yeah i'm sure fucking david wadlaw still wants his money yeah limping over there to fucking get it i mean they're entitled to their money i feel bad for all these people jimmy yeah but not nearly as bad as i feel for roy james oh no a financial advisor at prudential he's also apparently a train robber i feel very bad in the Tampa-St. Petersburg area.

Give him your money to play with, I guess. Roy James, he works at Children's Health in Queensland, Brisbane, Australia. He's at a hospital, so he's a nice guy. Children's Hospital in Brisbane. That's so sweet. Pastor Roy James at the First United Methodist Church in Longview, Texas. He's not happy with his reputation at all right now. What a cowboy name.

Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Well, this guy's kind of a cowboy that we have here. And finally, Roy James, another financial advisor. And his says, I love his thing here. My focus areas are protecting your family, saving for retirement, living in retirement, financial strategy, saving for education and small business and decoupling train cars you know i wish he would have said that it's fascinating there's two of the guys that are in money they're both yeah in money in different companies which is fucking hilarious so uh 1994 uh ronald buster edwards

who's another part of this gang here uh he's found hanged in his garage in 1994 uh which is interesting and uh he had a big funeral which was accompanied by two giant wreaths in the shape of trains which is cool so this was these guys claim to fame their whole fucking lives yeah they live off this like the nixon robbers live off of g gordon liddy had it was on fucking tv for 30 years just because he's a fucking criminal yeah so they live off of it g gordon liddy had it was on fucking tv for 30 years just because he's a fucking criminal yeah so they live off of this the same way it's interesting uh spring of 1997 roy is released from prison and uh undergoes a triple bypass operation uh right after he gets out of prison prison unfortunately he does not make it and uh August 21st, 1997, Roy dies of heart disease.

Damn it. I mean, he lived 62 years, but he had a pretty fucking crazy life. He's a goddamn race car driver that robbed trains and melted down gold and shot his father-in-law. He's living the fucking dream. He strangled his ex-wife and robbed a train. And still died a free man. And still died a free fucking man. Not too shabby.

Jesus Christ. Ronnie Biggs, who's the guy that nobody liked, he said from his home in Brazil when asked about this, he was still hiding, hanging out in Brazil, he was asked about Roy James, he said, quote, it is very sad. I didn't know him before the robbery, but we spent time in prison together

and he was great company for me. So nice guy there uh 1999 uh bruce reynolds and biggs signed up to produce a great train robbery video game what in 1999 uh but it never came to fruition uh the whole deal here uh apparently there's a uh they made uh they made a board game called the Great Brain Robbery that's based on this, and they got some kind of money based on the fact that they had a Monopoly board, so it's based on that shit. 2013, Bruce Reynolds dies in his sleep, so he ended up dying, too, the main guy, the

main mastermind of the whole thing here. uh you know mastermind of the whole thing here and there is a uh the crime scene has a plaque there now and it said this is bridge uh lec1 slash 127 uh train robbers uh were here between cheddington and layton buzzard uh it's it's funny it says in the event of any uh in the event of of any road vehicle striking this bridge please call that that's just a normal thing but yeah they have like this is to commemorate where the train robbery happened at the bridge it's a bummer that his heart in terms of feeding that cat got him pinched yeah and his heart killed him too and then his heart fucking killed him absolutely uh jesus christ yeah the plaque uh one of the post office carriages that was part of the remaining train, not involved, but in that not the main high value car.

But one of the other ones is preserved at the railway in Petersburg, Cambridge Shire. Dude, too many. Petersburg, Cambridge Shire. You can't have any shires or fucking boroughs more. Just chop off all your shires. You sons of fucking bitches. Sorry. God damn it.

Too many fucking shires. Everything's a shire and it's not pronounced shire sure it's a sure and it's being restored uh the the uh the uh they said they burned the the the one that actually was used in the robbery because it was just being attacked by souvenir hunters all the time of course uh yeah uh also uh uh they they ended up basically uh throwing out and getting rid of scrapping most of the train cars from that based on that whole thing. The Retrieve Monopoly board that was found there and a genuine five dollar note from the robbery is on display at the Thames Valley Police Museum in Solmestead, Berkshire, which sounds good. Another shire, you motherfuckers so uh that's

kind of cool they have the actual rob the actual monopoly board there and uh yeah and uh they call the they called the uh the bridge train robbers bridge forever basically because that's what it is uh so yeah that's what that all happened there uh 2018 uh this is fucked up 2018 they well this is cool actually they recover uh his car his brab him brabham car uh that car was stolen in 2017 from a property in new zealand and uh it was lost for more than a year before it was finally uh discovered in a police raid of some other thing they discovered the car. The owner of it thought it was gone. He said, quote, everyone told me it would never be seen again.

I never believed I would get a racing car like this. This car is very special to me. I built it up from a bit of wreckage and the car has big history. Everyone remembers it from the 60s. How much it's worth. Well, no shit. Well, let's find out here. I think they have it here. The car has damaged and not drivable at this point. it's worth well no shit uh well let's find out here i think they have it here uh the uh the car

has damaged and not drivable uh at this point but he says uh he's still the guy's still happy uh the uh by the way the uh it's about 51 million dollars is what 2.6 million or 51 million pounds is about uh what 2.6 million pounds is now wow so they stole 51 million pounds that's good enough yeah we were pretty excited about 30 million whatever that lee murray stole this is huge it's 67 million dollars in inflation i don't know what the uh car is worth now though because it's all fucking trash sure so who the hell knows still probably worth something pretty cool uh can't get enough uh there is no shortage of books and movies out here even if you just look up the wikipedia page there's like a list of 20 books and all sorts of shit and most of them are kind

of embellished a little bit and uh this is as dry as we could tell it without making up crazy shit and uh yeah it's it's a it's a it's a legend so it's one of those things where it's hard to get accurate facts and this is kind of the the most accurate facts we could find on this whole thing and i'm sure people will tell us we're wrong but whatever we don't really give a shit no that's right james robbed a train melted down some gold and shot his fucking father-in-law enjoy you bet enjoy so that's that's a very british very weird my christ case right there that's i mean this is not a normal one this was a very fucking odd one deep into crime it's deep into crime it had virtually no sports in it it was really like he raced for about 11 months and then such a role let's talk about 30 years of being arrested and being in and out of prison i'm surprised i gotta be honest with you when he shot his father-in-law and strangled

his ex-wife that surprised me when i was putting the story together i'm like i didn't expect that i expected him to have like kind of one of these half-assed celebrity careers and not do that sort of shit. You know what I mean? Like do like a, you know, whenever a book comes out about it, he comes in waves and they give him a hundred bucks to go wave at the crowd. Press junket. Yeah.

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Thank you. Big rig Rick. And also the homies down in Florida. They are all guilty, they say. And also that we're safe. They're tough to imagine. I like it. They'll make sure that our buttholes stay tight if we're ever incarcerated in Florida.

Nice. I'm happy to hear that. That's good. It's very important to me. I'm going to be real honest with you. Big Rick, who sounds like a very tough man. Thank you, Big. Thanks.

Big Rick. No, Big Rig. It's Big Rig Rick. Big Rig Rick sounds like a guy who'll beat you with a tire jack. Not even like a small, like a hydraulic one that you have stand on and pump. One of those, pick it up and beat you with it. The lumberjack one. Yeah, yeah.

Jason Fuller. Again, thanks, Jason. Oh, thanks, man. Brian Tool. Jordan Barrett donated twice. Thank you, Jordan. Actually, both ways. Patreon and then PayPal.

Thank you. Pass and mouth. Okay. Thanks, brother. Both of them. Appreciate it. Gina XL. Catman Do Real Estate. Neil Campbell. Christopher Ross. Under the Sea Fabrics. Of course. right exactly brother both of them appreciate it gina gina xl uh catman do real estate uh neil

campbell christopher ross uh under the sea fabrics of course thank you uh kirsten kirsten uh kirsten brosvik flatyard i think that's true okay i think that's true i think that's right i think that's true laura ashton kyle knapp uh ricka dayo uh rick, Rika, R-I-K-K-A, Rika. Rika? It's Rika, right? Sure. Dayo. Rika.

It's a tough one. Jason Miller, not the Jason Miller who's in trouble, by the way. No, no, not that guy. Jason Mayhem's going back to jail. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking dipshit. Of course he is. Maria Taylor, Megan Simmons.

Megan Simmons, Jen Gross, Alice, A-L-Y-S, I think. David Clark, Kayla Pentecost. David, David, no, no, Devin. It's Devin Merriman. Drew Manery. Manery. Is that a man boob? A manery?

Manery? No, it's manery for sure. Oh, yeah, maybe. That'd be manery. Right. It's a manery. Manery. Ryan Bear, Amanda Mitchell, John Pickett, Nick Jubry, Laura Christensen. man right man mannery man marie ryan beer uh bear ryan bear amanda mitchell john pickett uh nick

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Matthew Pauk, Scott Dawson, and Christine Stange. It's not strange. It's Stange. Stange. Thank you guys so much. We can't do this shit without you. Thank you so much. Honestly. That's the truth. it means the world to us and uh it'd be really really hard to do this without you so thank you guys so much for listening for spreading it for donating for

everything that you do buying tickets to live shows thanks for saying hi to us at live shows it's awesome we really enjoy it so thank you guys so much for all of that shit and what if these people wanted to say hi to you on a social media type setting? How can they do that, Jay? You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. And it's really great to hear from you guys and how you guys found the show and what you guys do listening. I really, really genuinely appreciate it.

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and then we had to get on a fucking plane so there's really at that point nothing that could be done about it uh i think we've proven over almost three years that if it's possible to put out an episode we'll fucking put one out so if it's not be worried that something happened because maybe something happened other than that we're good but uh that said jimmy i think it's fucking time to wrap this bad boy up uh live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week Bye. Or you can listen early and add free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.