Crime in Sports - #140 - Those Are The Symptoms - The Unaccountableness of Dale Crowe

Episode Date: December 4, 2018

This week, we look at a potential Rocky, who fell a bit short of the mark on a professional level, but way short on a societal one. He was someone that you could root for. A blue collar fighter, with a tough chin, and day job, but something went wrong along the way. Drugs, steroids, and eventually violence landed him in jail for murder, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. This is a one wild story!!Fight your way up the rankings ladder, participate in subpar events, in smoky bars, and pretend that you're a different person as soon as you're charged with murder with Dale "The Crow" Crowe!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanDonate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.comGo to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!Contact us on...twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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With that said, we have a very crazy episode of Crime and Sports. A very weird one. Last week we had Maurice Claret, which was like kind of the, it's the prototype. It's the mold of a Crime and Sports episode. It really was. It had everything that you would imagine with crime and sports. It's amazing potential. Such a fall. Fame.

Hard fall. You know, coming back. I'm good now. Moments. Left and right. Silver haired. Middle aged white men crawling out of the woodwork. It had it all, Jimmy.

It broke. Moved home. He got mad. Breaking rules. He's a mess. Pretty rare that we ran into a lineman who played against him. That was amazing i'm in philly yeah a guy who played for illinois university of illinois and said that uh osu kicked

the shit out of them that year and that game in the highlights on youtube does not show up so apparently maurice didn't have that big of a game no apparently not not that big of a game but uh they still lost yeah badly uh tonight we're to get back into the brain damage sports again. We're going to talk about a boxer who had an odd career and an even weirder. It's a weird story, Jimmy. It's a strange story. He's good now. No, he's not.

Publicly, he is, but he's doing worse. It's so strange. Let's get into it right now. Let's get it on with Dale Robert Crow. Dale Crow. He's a boxer. You probably never heard of him, although if you're a big boxing fan,

late 90s kind of, he was an up-and-coming heavyweight, sort of. He's a white guy. I was a big fan until you just said this. Yeah, well, this guy, under the radar a little bit, tries to give himself a nickname of The Crowe because his last name is Crowe.

Just drops the E off it. Now it's cool or some shit, but we're going to go with sorry dale uh uh date of birth july 22nd 1976 oh that was when that movie was big that's the crow well yeah he was fighting in the 90s i'm the crow now brandon lee's dead right somebody shot him with a fucking whatever the hell it was messed up blank gun or something i don't remember. So there was a wad left in the chamber after a blank. So then when the other blank, there was really a blank and it wasn't a real one. Oh, yeah. So that wadding from the blank that was now loaded into it, it shot that wadding through

his fucking chest. Oh, well, that'll happen. And it killed, a wadding killed him. That'll happen. Wow. What are the odds of that, really? It's really got to be a staggering statistic. How much of a pussy would his dad study?

Wadding? Really? Really? You ever see me fight off 14 guys at the same time? You ever see me punch a guy with one inch and blast his arm? Wadding. Wadding. Wadding took it?

Nice job, guy. Maybe my genes aren't as strong as I thought. I guess not. We'll find out how strong Dale Crow's genes are here. That's why I named you Brandon and not Bruce. That's right. And not Bruce Jr. I knew you couldn't carry the load.

You can't even carry the wad. Forget the load. Never mind the load. Oh, boy. Poor Brandon Lee. I don't know. I was never one of those Crow people. I didn't give a shit.

I didn't give a shit. There's like those people who are into the Crow and the people who weren't and the people that were real into it really weird as i was just like no what are you doing yeah not my thing it's not that thanks anyway uh this guy here our crow uh born july 22nd 1976 like we said in norwood ohio he's from i think it's uh it's down near kentucky area is where he fights kind of in the in the Cincinnati area. It's kind of where he's from. Interesting. Didn't do that on purpose. Had that picked out before that.

We were just in Cincinnati. He says his childhood. See, OK, he's got I don't want to blow the surprise here, but he's got he's got a book out. But I don't want to read it because fuck this guy. And I just can't. I just can't i just can't do it and uh you will find out why later uh so we're going to take a little piece of it of just a little background of where he's from and uh we won't get too we won't get too tied up in all this shit we'll get it more tied up into what he does and some funny shit that happens in his career

it makes sense why cincinnati's not like a booming metropolis. Yeah. Being that it's you kind of fucked yourself establishing a city right on the border of another state. You can't really grow much. Well, I mean, New York is Jersey. But it's just a matter of it's in a weird location. Yeah. Like geographically, it's in a weird little I don't know what. The beautiful part of that town is like, fuck, I don't know, a mile square. Outside of that, it's just a weird fucking i don't know what the beautiful part of that town is like

fuck i don't know a mile square outside of that it's just a weird it's a weird town it's a weird town the people were awesome there great whatever that smell is that permeates it that sulfur it makes really interest really nice people and we really really had a good time but the city itself uh it's not what you'd call it's not paris. We'll say, let's look at, no, it's nothing like that. It's right on the water like that. It's on the water except that water. I don't know. It's some scary water.

Ohio. Yeah. You don't want to go in there. That's the one that catches on fire. I don't think you want to be there. No. So, uh, when water catches a flame, I think you've got a problem. It's a little scary.

So, uh, uh, he says he's a, he was born in Ohio, problem it's a little scary so uh he says he's he was in born in ohio obviously like we said he said he grew up with his mother and his stepfather and his grandparents uh he said that uh when his grandparents died when he was a kid and uh so he said that he tried to act like that was like an issue for him and it's like everybody's fucking grandparents die when you're a kid get over it it sucks and then you get over it that's the cycle of life man you're supposed to see your grandparents die i could see if he didn't have parents and his grandparents were his only people in his family and then they died but he had his mother so it's like yeah that's what happens then they're older and they die and you fucking get over it that's

we all did that both my grandfathers died and i was like okay they're dead now if you can't get over that you're gonna be a lot of trouble. What's going to happen later? There are people that are like eight and a half, 65-year-old parents. Yeah, what happens when one of your kids has SIDS and fucking stops breathing in the crib? What are you going to do? Are you going to shoot up a supermarket at that point? I love that SIDS has come up in these stories so much. You can tell that was a fucking legitimate fear for you it was a legitimate fear scared the shit out of me terrified i didn't want to just die for no reason i was like fuck man

i'm taking good care of these kids and we're making sure they stay safe and we're fucking treating them like little eggs and making sure and then it's just gonna stop breathing and then the fuck that i'll hang out here and watch you breathe you will not stop breathing i've seen it in the news maybe like three times. Oh, no, it happens a lot. It would happen all the time. And any time on Dateline that SIDS comes up, it's not even SIDS. The parents actually do it.

I think it happened a lot in like the 50s and 60s and 70s, and that was just women suffocating their kids. And it was men suffocating their kids, and they'd be like, itating their kids and they'd be like it's sids and they didn't have they were like yep that's the say yep it stopped breathing so it must have been that's the so it's you came in and it was dead huh well that's the symptoms i guess it's i don't know we are that's i mean what the fuck man so but it does happen also it does and scared the living shit out of me there are innocent people who lost their child absolutely it happens whatever goes on there i don't even know how it works i just know that like the kids uh breathing is cut off one way or another whether it's i don't know i'm stupid as shit i just know they stop breathing i promise

there's no sids in this episode so we don't have to know anything about okay it's a horrible thing it's a terrible thing if you're an innocent person and lose a kid like that yeah i can't imagine even if you're a dick and you lose a kid like it's probably tough on you anyway i think either way no matter what your personality is like that's probably tough i just didn't commit a crime being people whatever yeah that's traumatic it would be very so uh yeah he said that he had issues of loss and abandonment from this uh which like we said that's the symptoms i'm sorry i am punchy it was expected it to be dead no and it is there you go guess we'll write another one

down they just tally it up another one more slash on the old fucking tally throw that one in the the bad bit yeah get it out of there so jesus christ he he says uh he says dale here that he was very uh when he was young he was the class clown yeah that's how he tried to compensate for shit for the fear of sids was that as a class clown oh but so am i we're both punchy i don't know what we're gonna it's it's we're gonna we're gonna laugh it's gonna happen because neither of us have slept and this is a funny story too you're exactly right you came in and it was dead. Yep. Yep. Check and check.

That's about all we got. That's the worst thing we've ever laughed at. I think you're right. I think you're right. It's definitely the worst thing I can't stop laughing at. You say it's a baby right that's the third one okay good all right check because it doesn't work when your kid's like 14 if we think it's something else we're not sure don't rule that something else entirely they're never gonna believe that since you're never gonna get away with that you know that part about the eye is an infant

13 nope nope jesus that's terrible fucking awful he sustained life way too long for us to be safe we never uh usually apologize but we that we're this is on us this is our bad this is this is bad so uh yeah so uh he says he's the class clown to try to get over his whatever the fuck feelings. And he says at age 13, he meets his dad. And he says that he wanted to latch on to his dad. It's kind of as his dad. I don't know because he never met his dad. It seems like he kind of had like some kids that don't know their parents are like a fantasy thing about their parents type of thing.

And it feels like that's what he had. He said he wanted to model himself after his dad. And he learned to box to impress him. And he's a boxer, this guy, in case you don't know. He's a boxer. And he learned to box. He thought that his dad would think that was cool. Or he was a man or he was tough or whatever.

He grows up to be about six feet tall. Starts out as a cruiserweight, and kind of a heavy middleweight, we'll call him. Starts out, you know, like a 170, 175, 77, in that range. And he'll end up growing into a heavyweight. And then we'll find out how he really grows into a heavyweight, using a little bit of help from science, we'll say, here uh he gets very muscly toward the end we'll say he's just all of a sudden you're like wow that's a big tough looking son of a bitch he just looks like a big fucking bald-headed tattooed muscly son muscled up son of a bitch uh apparently has about 15 amateur fights that we

can't can't find records of too and it's weird because he goes to the Gold Gloves Nationals twice, but it doesn't win the Gold Gloves. So it's hard to find out when and where. And it's kind of difficult here. He fights out of the Norwood Boxing Club in Norwood, obviously, there, Ohio. He ends up being such a good boxer as a teenager that he earns a full boxing scholarship to Northern Michigan University. Great.

So that's terrific. I mean, right there. That's usually we don't see that with boxers. Have we had any that got a full boxing scholarship? I have not seen that a lot. I don't think I've ever heard of that. And not a lot of schools have boxing teams, I don't think. That's probably why.

Yeah. Northern Michigan is like, well, we got hockey and boxing and lacrosse. You can beat the shit out of each other with sticks or your fists. Which one? What do you pick? One or another. Those are your sports, guys. Sorry.

Only contact. So, yeah, he gets a full boxing scholarship, which honestly is a promising start to a uh you know to a boxer's career in our in our line of work anyway and the people we deal with yeah it's usually well he wanted to be even the ones who are like he was in the olympics and then he went pro and the next thing you know he's driving 85 miles an hour through a 40 on heroin with on heroin with four cop cars behind him while he's like pushing a prostitute out of the moving car and calling his wife and calling her and calling his wife and throwing guns out of the window as he goes fucking that's usually what we have yeah that's basically a rundown of every show that's pretty much crime crime and sports like a runaway car with a prostitute being shoved out of a door

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So we'll fucking make them for you. Microphones and hit record. And we got that shit. We're here. Look at that. We're right there. This is a baby. Did you think it was going to die?

And it did? I want a ringtone that says, that's the symptoms. That's the symptoms. The symptoms. That's going to be our new t-shirt. The symptoms. We have the rules. The symptoms.

Baby walked in. Not supposed to die. Is dead. Done. Done. That's it. So, problem is here. He enters a tough man contest. And wins it. here uh he enters a tough man contest and wins it really wins a

tough man contest well he's a good fight he's a you know a boxer that's these tough man contests back then we're talking in the mid 90s were kind of they're not it's not exactly you know skilled combatants agile for the most part it was just big guys brawling and shit. A person who's like a skilled fighter does fucking well in those things, you know? So he wins. It's not like a national one. It's some regional tough man contest. So he beats a couple of construction workers and, you know, guys who don't know what the

fuck they're doing. So I think Butterbean won one of those. Oh, he was like the tough man king. Yeah, that was that was his claim to fame. But I mean, he's a 380 pound guy who hits you he doesn't have to hit you in the head no in the arm he's gonna knock you over it's just the force behind it he's a fucking monster it's just physics yeah it's just physics of the whole thing but uh you know anybody who is a skilled fighter is going to kind of go through

a regional tough man contest probably pretty pretty easily here we're gonna breeze through so he wins this, which is terrific. That's great. Good for you. You know what I mean? He puts a little coin in his pocket, and he's using his skills and ability to earn himself a little cash and whatever. So I am never against that.

We railed against the NCAA last week. People should be able to do that. And he wasn't, because as a result of winning this tough man contest he loses his scholarship to school really because he made money for fighting oh that is fucked up ridiculous it's the ncaa you can only make us money for for fighting that's it for now you're no no no you don't understand you're you're a servant here uh you can make us money for fighting anything on the outside even if it doesn't take away from us still you can't have that something on your own that doesn't even compete with us has nothing to do with us and they cut him they cut him out he

loses his scholarship which of course uh forces him to he doesn't stay in school he's not gonna stay it's the only reason he's going yeah he's there to box he's not there to uh i don't know what to learn how to ice fish i think that's the main major at northern university northern michigan university also he's taking blows to the head he already forgot the curriculum from last week so who gives a shit yeah ice ice fishing and skating backwards on ice skates i believe those are the two pieces of curriculum i'm good at it look at that i've never ice skated in my life really no you've rollerbladed same thing i've never rollerbladed you never did that shit in the

early 90s i skateboarded okay anybody who rollerbladed. Same thing. I've never rollerbladed. You never did that shit in the early 90s? Fuck, I skateboarded. Okay. Anybody who rollerbladed was target fucking one. Out of here, you fucker. And we'd chase them off with our boards, swinging them at them, and they'd run away. That was a good three-month period that rollerblades was cool. No, there wasn't.

Not for us. No. They come with those fucking tight, weird shorts on and shit and rollerblade oh boy that was a good way to get your ass it's hard to defend yourself on rollerblades too trust me because i've seen kids hey come on and yeah you can just put that down and then swing it as a weapon while someone goes backpedals and fucking rollerblades that's nice i was a dick when i was a kid i did oh no jim i was pretty good at them i enjoyed them that's fun for like a legitimate three months i've never honestly been on it was like a summer that i enjoyed them this is fun this is dumb now it's dumb

i grew out of these rollerblades i'm not getting another pair eventually like a skateboard when the when the wheels and bearings start making noise they're cool when rollerblades make noise they're like dude you got to get off of those things. They're gonna seize up, and then what are you gonna do? Die. Yeah, you're gonna fall on your fucking face. Flat on your face. And I was always terrified of that. So once you put some miles on

those goddamn things and they start making some racket, throw them the fuck out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's terrifying. I could see that shit there. Now, 1996 here, he should have been on rollerblades because he would have saved himself some legal trouble because he has his first, well, his first kind of documented run in with the law here. He gets a speeding ticket for like going well over. It's kind of like a reckless driving thing. He has to appear for court and all this shit.

And there's a bond up and all that stuff. And he doesn't appear for court and there's a criminal yeah it's it's a it's a good speeding ticket it's over whatever the fuck and so there's a bond forfeiture in here and he ends up uh getting put in jail for a couple of days till it gets all sorted out and you know if they end up if you do this and your license two points on your license and they end up working out some traffic horseshit with it knocking it down to traffic out of criminal and all that sort of thing so he has to get his shit together here he's got uh he's got bond forfeiture problems he's got no more scholarship he's uh you know he's got to start earning a living here and uh he he earns a living

in all sorts of ways too i blaze carpet he does shit like that he does you know manual labor type of things real work and he also starts boxing to earn a few bucks on the side and we'll see kind of how much this level of boxer makes a little bit later it's not much and it's no i can't imagine it's a lot it's really like you take away it's it's not a lot i mean it's you add in like the training they're doing and're doing and just the food they have to eat and shit. And they need a sparring partner and they need a gym to work out in. And there's no way these fights pay for that. That's why a lot of these guys fight every three weeks.

And we're like, God damn, you're going to get brain damage. Well, guess what? If he doesn't fight every three weeks, he can't train. So that's all he's got. April 29th in Kentucky, where all great everything, the start of every great career has been in Kentucky. Not just boxing. Anything.

Name a person, Jimmy. Name a great person. Foreman, for sure. George Foreman? Absolutely. Yeah, I'm non-boxing. Just anybody. Anybody.

Just anybody. Andrew Jackson. There he goes. Kentucky. There you go. I know you hate him, but the Beatles, a lot of people like Kentucky. They're all from Kentucky. Every single one of them was born they think they put on that english accent to fool you all from kentucky all right they're from right nutted up to that ohio it's right there that's it's a it's really like the cradle of civilization is what they call it

it's it's pretty much is yeah it's never mind uh the middle east this is the water this is the cradle uh he fights this fuck okay of all the boxing we've done he fights the most pathetic this is the saddest person we've ever seen in our lives and he's going to be our newest character on the next show uh horace broadnecks is hilarious but there's really no character to horace broadnecks other than him selling insurance. So I thought about it for a while. And I'm like, I can't just have this guy knocking on doors trying to sell someone insurance. And he could say, well, you're doing that stupid.

But it's still not as funny as somebody crazy. So this guy, Ed Strickland, is our new fucking guy. And I'll tell you why. Ed Strickland comes into this fight April 29th, 1997. Debut for Dale Crow. Ed Strickland comes into this fight April 29th, 1997. Debut for Dale Crow. Yeah. Ed Strickland comes in. His record is 0-27 coming in.

Oh my fuck. His record is fucking 0-27 coming into the... Zero, Jimmy. What number is he waiting on to be like, fuck it? What is he doing? Who's letting him fight? You've lost 27 straight, guy. I don't think it's going to fucking happen for you.

You can't fight anymore. you can't fight at all how much brain damage does he did he forget that he's lost i feel like he's like i'm gonna be a boxer every fight like i feel like i feel like i could do it and he goes out there like you again he's like how does everybody know me here this is crazy and he steps in hey this is great you are oh and 24 he He's like Bob Nelson's old punchy fucking guy. Jiffy Jeffs or whatever. Can you imagine? Can you fucking imagine? 0-27. That's too much.

What the fuck is he doing? Like we say a guy will lose 10 and they're like he could see 10 and maybe 11. He's like, okay, this isn't working out. 27? Fights. It's not like, this is fights. He keeps going out there. He keeps going, I'm going to do it this time. Hey, coach, how am i doing all right all right i'm gonna get in there that's good

then and he just goes in this i don't know what the fuck's going on a lot of these guys you we rattle off like career stats and stuff and i'm like well at least i they're better than me this guy's not better than me i could do that you could do this career he finishes his career spoiler spoiler alert ed strickland doesn't win this fight. Just, I mean, in case you were wondering. I wonder what's going to happen. You're on the edge of your seat. Ed Strickland.

Oh, my God. He finishes his career at 0 and 32. He went 32. People let him fight. This isn't in a parking lot. Someone has to let you fight. And someone said, yeah, yeah, that guy. And they signed him.

Sign the guy who's 0-30 to a fight. People will really be curious to see what the outcome of the fight will be. It'll be really exciting. What the fuck is that? How do you get to 0-30? I don't understand how you don't get a win. He is defeated. That's what he... I didn't tell you the best part of this thing uh this is why i think he might be the punchiest man in boxing too oh and 32 most of the time when guys however many let they have

10 losses it's usually like three ko's and four 32 knockouts he got got knocked out. He got knocked out. Every single fight. In every single fight that he fucking performed in. 32 knockouts. That is amazing. Crazy thing, Jimmy? Not TKOs. Knockouts. He's been knocked out. Well, the TKOs count, too.

There's knockouts. But he's been knocked out. But that's, I mean, you can't, you're getting the shit beat out of you so bad you can't defend yourself. You're about to be pummeled into incoherence and somebody jumps in the middle and goes, no, no, no more beating. Stop it. You're going to kill this man.

You're going to give him the SIDS. Get away from him. Get away from him. Not another blow. Either that or you've been, sometimes, some states, the three knockdown rules in effect. And if you've been knocked down three times in a round, that's enough. You're going to die. That's enough.

You've had enough. That's the sad. Yeah. That's a drunk man fighting a bouncer. You're like, OK, that's that's the third time. Now you leave. This is the sad instead of the sad. Oh, by the way.

Yeah. Never went past the second round what he's never been out of the second round by the way before being knocked out i'll give him the benefit of the doubt in 10 of those but you get to 15 32 straight times in your ear going dude it's not for you it's not even like he's he's hanging in there he's a he you know like he's one of these guys he's a journeyman and he's gonna hang on you and he's gonna last five rounds you he's hanging in there. He's one of these guys. He's a journeyman, and he's going to hang on you. He's going to last five rounds. You go in there and knock the shit out of him, and that's the end of the fight.

He goes home like, where do I live again, coach? 32 times. He only stopped boxing because he forgot that he boxed. He forgot where the gym was. He forgot how to put gloves on, and he was like, what do I do now wife was like you're a garbage man remember and he goes oh yeah and he just went to the sanitation department and they hired him and he goes i'm a fucking garbage man one of these days it's gonna hit him he's like i'm a fucking fighter what am i doing well he's empty in a trash can let's throw his record in front of him go you are not you are not a fighter sir

this fight that he's this is the most entertaining man in the history. It says, too, on his profile that his alias is Ed Carter. He has to have an alias because he's the worst fighter I've ever heard in my life. So he's fought under Ed Carter a few times in these 32. This is a clever way of getting away from everybody knowing who the fuck you are. Maybe that's what it is. He was like Owen 14, and he's like, well, no one will book me. I'm Ed Carter now.

I'm a debuting fucking up-and-comer. Book me. Or he just picked- Ed Carter's oh, and 15. He's like, shit. His wife was probably in his ear telling him, look, if you go by your real name, you're never going to get another job. There's no way he could remember.

And oh, and 18, and you're going to keep going? You better change your name. Plugging right along. This is a knockout in the first round, clearly. You knew it was going to be at least by the second. So Dale is 1-0. Really, they picked a perfect guy. Nothing to be proud of.

He should be everyone's first fight, Ed Strickland. Here he is. Hey, come on, kid. All right. You just knocked the shit out of him. You feel good about yourself. Get me right here. By the way, this Ed Strickland, it says his second fight was at Park West in Chicago.

No kidding. Which was the venue we played in in March, which I thought was fun. How about that? Yeah, that was great. That's a big place. It is. Where will we be? The Vic.

We'll be at the Vic next week in Chicago. So come see us there if you're in Chicago. July 15th, 1997. This is at Coyote's in Fort Mitchell, Kentucky. Oh, boy. 1997 this is at coyotes in fort mitchell kentucky oh boy he's fighting a lot of these fights are in like bars and then you know converted makeshift shit like would like the place where you should have that open mic where guys would fight in the parking lot this is the worst weird half-sanctioned fights in a parking lot are proud of what they're doing oh they're super

they have family there that's fucking want people to see that shit. Yeah. I wouldn't even invite my mom to watch me do dick jokes there. Forget throwing punches. No, forget fucking... You don't want to get knocked out cold in the fucking parking lot

of a dump like that. So... The parking lot is barely a parking lot anymore. It really is. The asphalt's all worn down and there's giant patches of it. It's all broken and shit.

Yeah, it really... There's dirt here and there. It looks abandoned, but somehow they serve drinks in there. Oh, in the daylight, that place looks like it should be boarded up. It looks like it is boarded up. It looks like it was abandoned years ago. You're like, what was there?

And then at night, there's people there drinking. You're like, what the fuck happened? This is a strange place. It smells like it's abandoned. It smells like it's abandoned. It smells terrible. It smells like it should be abandoned and burned to the fucking ground while people wear gas masks around it for the urine get inspected right by the health department god

no how does that pass i can't imagine i can't imagine i can't imagine they got to be fucking someone's blowing somebody or there's money under the table it's not like there's a grease trap overflowing into the restaurant with half grease half piss that's the other thing the the beer shots pouring on top of the the mat like the it smells like they just take the beer mat and just like flip it like a towel yeah yeah into the onto the pool table so really let that let it soak into the felt you know you really want it to soak into the felt that's where you get that good stuff there it's how it gets real it's like a an incense it's like a shitty essential oils yeah that's what they do the nicest thing then when the ball rolls on it really kicks it up

makes the aroma go through the air so coyotes is fort mitchell kentucky versus vidal middlebrook who uh another this guy here another uh i, clearly he's on the road to greatness. He's 0-4-2 coming in. So that is 0-31-2, his combined opponent's records here so far in his first two fights. So not really. Not a win amongst them. Not a lot of competition for him. Vidal Middlebrook ends up 1-11-3 for his career.

At least he said, this isn't working. Clearly. Why did he pick a name? Nickname? Vidal Middlebrook? He had no nickname either. The only other Vidal I've ever heard of is Sassoon. That's not terrifying at all. No, he makes mousse.

This is a totally different thing. Way different. Vidal and then Middlebrook on top of it. Yeah, that sounds like a private school student. This is a second round TKO for Dale. Vidal actually wins his next fight. So Dale knocks some sense into him. It seems like knocks him out and he comes out pissed off and wins his next fight, which is his only win ever.

And then he loses the next six and has a draw and says, that's about it. I think I'm going to call this a career. Someone cared about him about him that's what it was no one cared about ed strickland his parents were dead they still don't know he can't be alive is he alive it didn't say he was dead but i don't know how oh and he hasn't walked out in the traffic or something he's been knocked out 32 times guys in the nfl who are punch drunk they're like he had eight concussions over the course of his oh my god he's been knocked out 32 fucking times and that's just in the ring god knows we've been hitting his head on and falling out down the stairs it's fine to be knocked out 32 times if you've got like i don't know 38 40 wins yeah no no no zero his friend's got a column

zero no one should be knocked out that many times. Or Ot. What do they call him? Big Zero. Hey, Zero. Mr. Zero. What up, donut? How are you? Mr. Zero, as I have to be respectful. You fucking Zero.

Jesus. So September 2nd, 97 in Memphis, he fights Earl Jackson, Dale does. This is Earl Jackson's first fight. So he's a debuter. So you don't know anything about him. So again, though, no wins. So 0-32 in combined opponents. By the way, this is his last and only fight as well.

He is 0-1 career. He got the picture. I respect the shit out of that man. Dale knocked some sense into him with a second round TKO, and he went, this isn't for me. Not my gig. No, no one knocks me out at my day job, ever. Never get knocked out there. I go in, it sucks.

I'm a little bored. I leave. I go home. I'm not happy with the pay, but I'm never unconscious. The only time I've ever punched is on payday, and it doesn't hurt as bad as getting punched in the face. Not bad here. So that's 3-0 for Dale. Yeah.

September 9th, 97, he's back at Coyotes. By the way, did you catch those dates? September 2nd, 97, September 9th, 97. A week apart. He fights a week apart. Oh, my God. Coyotes. Now, he fights Jerry Harris, who in his career is a 737 and 3 fighter.

Where are they fighting these guys? That's what I mean. These are like the guys in the beginning of the first Rocky that Mickey's making fun of Rocky for fighting. Spider Rico. He's a bum. He's a bum. That's who he's fighting. It's fucking Spider Rico here.

And these are all Midwestern guys, huh? Yeah, these are all guys from the area yourself yeah this is local boxing scene of fighting in bars and i hate me enough but not enough to go oh and 32 and keep going i don't have to get to get knocked out while smelling piss and grease in a shitty bar oh god people are ordering fireball shots over your lifeless body. Yeah, that sounds terrible. I'm cheering about it. The wait is over.

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wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to WikiHole ad free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. This Jerry Harris lost the last 15 of his career and then said, that's enough. That's enough. This is one of that 15 in this round thing here. This fight goes the distance of four rounds, but a guy like that's actually a's it oh this is one of that 15 in this round thing here this fight goes

the distance of four rounds but a guy like that's actually a journeyman he knows how to hold you in possibly not get knocked out all the time because he probably got knocked out a lot get some strategy to try to not get punched well guys like this get knocked out a lot when they're when they're younger because they don't have a lot of skills and they learn how to like hold on to go the distance and make 200 basically that's what they do if i can hold that guy for fucking 12 minutes i can uh make 200 what what is worse that life like where you're trying to get you struggle real hard for four rounds what are they two minutes or three minutes three minutes okay so 12 minutes you've struggled for 12 minutes for 200 bucks or you wake waste an entire fucking weekend

hosting at a comedy club oh that's way worse that's way worse way worse comedy's way worse way worse you burn an entire goddamn yeah at least this is one shot you train for you get it all out of your system this is you have to sit there and you have to deal with friday night late show there's never a friday night late show in boxing yeah that's thing. It's all has nothing to do with the crowd. No, no one could show up. You still got to fight the guy across the ring. It doesn't fucking matter. You don't have to wonder what kind of jackasses.

Is there going to be a drunk lady screaming shit at me? Never. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. You still have to. And if there is, take it out on that asshole across the ring. Knock the shit out of him. You have a relief bag right on the other side of the corner.

That's right. If there's a Josephine there, then it's, you know, that happens. That's an inside joke for about 300 people. So, this fight goes all four rounds. Unanimous decision for Crow. He beats him soundly. It's 4-0 now.

Next thing you know, the next month, October 21st, he's back at Coyotes again. He's becoming a regular here. He's a regular. He's fighting Sean Clarkson, who has a 4-8 career. That's his total career. He's got some wins now. He's got a few wins. Not exactly burning up the charts here.

This fight goes all six rounds. Goes the distance. Dale wins on points. And now he's going six rounds. Now he's going six rounds with guys who are 4-8 career fighters here. He's 5-0 now. But, I mean, he's not fought anybody of any of any skill. November 15th, 97.

So less than a month later, again, Veterans Coliseum in Cedar Rapids. Not in Philly. Don't think it's that one in Cedar Rapids. He fights Larry Givens. Okay. Unfortunately, Robin Givens was probably a better fucking fighter. Givens, okay? Unfortunately, Robin Givens was probably a better fucking fighter.

Because unfortunately for this guy. Jesus. Well, this guy's coming into the fight. I have reason. She at least fought a better fighter. That's what I mean. If she got half a win on Tyson,

I'm calling that a better career this guy is 3 and 43 coming into this fight what the fuck 3 and 43 where are they finding these people those numbers aren't even close they're not even close 3 and what the fuck are you doing and his career total is 3 and 46 he ends up. So TKO in round two here. As it should be. At least he starts to get it now. Yeah. Good God.

Forty three losses. Forty three more losses than you've won. That's terrible. It should be. If you're forty six and three, great career. Good for you. Three and forty six, man. Don't tell anyone you did this.

Good Christ. Jesus Christ. So this is a second round TKO, bringing him to 6-0. Now, December 9th, 97, this is fucking, again, less than a month later. It was fought on November 15th last time. Back at Coyote's again. He fights David Robinson. Not the Admiral.

Not the guy with sneaker commercials and big contracts and Naval Academy diplomas and shit like that. He fights a 26, 66, and 4 career fighter. This man has 66 losses in his fucking career. This is the ultimate journeyman here. And really, if you add in the draws, he has 70 not wins. Yeah, 70 not wins and almost 100 fights why would you do that that's what i mean for 200 bucks that's what i mean these people are the equivalent to that comedian that you see where you're like the guy's been at the same level

yeah for 10 12 years yeah like and not like an opener like trying to crack it like these guys been like a like a mediocre feature for 12 years and you're like why are you still doing this you're not gonna crack you're not going up you're doing it to yourself so is this just what you're saying your life is now this forever because that's that's what it looks like how the the the mid this how bad do you need 200 that's the stinks of Midwest desperation, like trying to get away. Why? Or anywhere. Desperation.

Yeah. Just get a job. Go to the sanitation department. It's okay. They're hiring. It's fine. No shame in a hard worker. No fucking shame in a job.

There's a whole lot of shame in getting knocked out. Thirty two times or getting beat. Sixty six times. That's kind of shameful. That's super shameful. You're if you just, you know, hey, you know what? If someone went out there, they gave it a shot. They had, you know, they had three wins and five losses and they called it a career.

Good for you. Had the balls to try. Yeah. I respect that way more than a guy who sticks around for 66 losses or goes, oh, and 32. It's the equivalent of that open mic guy that never even gets a host shot at a club or any other show. Yeah. Yeah. That, that guy. The guy you started with and now you're like,

oh, I wonder if they need to stop doing comedy three years ago or open mics once in a while. I'm going to go back soon. I've been writing. And you're like, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. You weren't good to begin with. Let's just stop.

So this is a TKO in round four for Dale. Round four of six. Now Dale is seven and oh, and he's fought a bunch of shitbags, basically. February 28th, 97. So he took the holiday off. Good for you. Take it easy for a minute here. He's in Cincinnati Gardens in Cincinnati.

Yes. And he fights Tyrone Armstead who career wise is 13, 13 and 3 that's even you know what better than anybody else he's fucking fought that's not bad that's good 500 will take it this fight goes all 8 rounds so I mean he's not

this is still a guy who's not like a top contender where if you think you're a contender you should knock the shit they give you this guy to knock out in the second round to show you're you know proof of consistency you can continue bashing this shit absolutely so this goes all eight dale wins on points again he's eight no uh now he waits four months to fight almost i mean this is getting crazy now i don't know what he's doing that's a long time to catch a breath i guess oh yeah a rounder yeah uh june 16th 1998 in fort mitchell uh he fights duane smith who another 7 45 and 3 7 wins 45 losses 3 draws there's no quitting that guy

seven 45 and three are you fucking kidding me my dad didn't raise no quitter are you fucking kidding me that's insane so Dwayne gets knocked out here TKO round 4 nothing new for Dwayne this has happened before he's not surprised at all

he's like that's about right he shrugged his shoulders and was like it happened again that's what he said when he got home it happened again but 9-0 for Dale anyway he's doing a little better happened again that's what he said when he got home it happened again it's done but uh nine and oh for uh for dale anyway he's doing a little better uh august 21st 1998 so uh he's plugging right along here later on in the summer he fights george reedy uh who sounds like an old man for

some reason he does this guy i don't know where they're finding these fucking and all the boxing episodes we've ever done i've never seen so many records of comical proportions. George Reedy coming into this fight is two wins, 43 losses, and one draw. These guys have the record. What the fuck? They have a professional fighting record of somebody that plays the scratchy lottos a lot. Yeah, that's pretty much 243 yeah i'm 243 i won 200 one time that was then i won five bucks once and i've lost

every other fucking time since then it's crazy this is insane here this is a first round knockout and this finally finally somehow convinces ge George Reedy that that's enough for him. Ends his career at 244-1. So that's how bad of a beating this was. It actually beat a really, really stubborn man into retirement, apparently. And brings Dale to 10-0. So not a bad career going here for Dale so far. August 29, 1998, he fights Doug Davis, who, again, eight wins, 34 losses.

What are you doing? At one drop. What the fuck are you doing? This is legitimately the worst fighters, like opponents, that anybody's ever had on the show. Somebody, for some reason, I didn't compile it. Somebody out there, we have listeners who are crazy and love to do shit like this compile the opponents just compile the records of his first 11 opponents there's nobody worse because it's amazing hundreds hundreds of losses and like 22

wins and hundreds of losses it's don't even ask if any of these people are linkers there's no fucking no linkers no linkers no no way later fucking way. No linkers. No linkers. No way. Later on, he fights some linkers. But these guys, you got to be fucking non-Lincoln son of a bitches here. This fight goes all six rounds somehow. Maybe this guy's learned how to hold. I'm not sure. Unanimous decision, though, for Dale.

Thank fuck for him. Imagine if there's a judge saying, that guy's better than you. Have you seen his record? He's no, sir. No, I'm's better than you. Have you seen his record? He's, no, sir, no. I'm sorry. All six. 11-0 now for Dale. This brings us to October 10th, 98.

So he's fighting every month and a half or so. Plugging right along here. October 10th, 98 in Cincinnati, he fights Mike McGrady, who is a 9-21-1 fighter. So nine wins, 21 losses. Again, so he's only the best fighter he's fought. 14-14? It was 13-13 and 0-0. So five, just even.

Even's the best he's gotten, too. 0-0. 0-0 happens, too. This is a TKO in round seven. So he's not knocking these tomato cans out in the first and second round. Normally, a lot of our fighters that are up-and-comers, when they fight these crappy guys in the beginning of their careers. Blast through them. Yeah, not even guys this bad, too. And they're busting through them two rounds, one round, things like that.

This guy's going distances. He's dancing. Yeah, 12 rounds rounds a long fucking time and he's a mid mid cruiserweight at this point yeah this is he's worked i think this is a new he's a heavyweight now he's heavyweight and wars he in wars but he's like a he's like a 200 pound heavyweight at this point in time he's not a big heavyweight he's a small heavyweight i mean 200 pound heavyweights don't do much generally generally. Evander Holyfield was a light heavyweight. Was he?

Yeah, because he came. He was a cruiserweight before that. He had to come up to be a heavyweight. Was he fighting, like, 245 or something? Fuck no. Oh, no. Evander was slim and trim, man. Really?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I know he looked great. He got bigger as the years went on, but his first few years in the heavyweight division, he was a fucking... Isn't he tall, though? No, he's not that tall i mean he's but he's he would go he'd go in at under 210 or 210 ish something like that i mean tyson was heavier than them when they fought i'm pretty sure well he's fucking and he was only 220 he's so big though well tyson's just a brick he's a

he's a brick man uh now november of 98 uh he's been married at this point for a little while uh he's having some trouble in his marriage. This will be a troubled marriage, as we'll talk about. November of 98, he has a son and names him Mason. Dodged a bullet, Jimmy's like, no. No, no, he didn't.

He didn't go there. Thankfully, not Dale Jr. He goes with Mason as his son's name, which I don't care.'s not junior good name good for you good job good decision we're gonna work it out good decision uh so may 22nd 1999 so he takes some time off last he fought before that was october of 98 so he probably had to take some time work a real job for a while or whatever i don't know get some health insurance going be a dad i don't know what he had to do here but he comes back may 22nd 1999 at the grand victoria casino of where all the dreams come true

that one i believe is in uh in illinois uh this is versus john moore which sounds like an alias that sounds like that's not his real name like he just he just made that up. Which, honestly, if my boxing record was 11 wins, 56 losses, and two draws, I would probably give myself an alias, too. I don't think I would go by my real name, either. Especially a super common one like that. I'm not going to dishonor my family. His name is probably something very ethnic. John Moore is my name. He'll never find me on Facebook.

How do you spell that? Whatever. Yeah. He just says, just pick it. It doesn't fucking me on Facebook. How do you spell that? Whatever. Yeah. He just says, just pick it. It doesn't fucking matter. It's all the same. It's all the same. It's not my name anyway.

This guy's 11, 56 and two in his career. So 56 fucking losses. That's a lot of beatings to take. Imagine being beaten up 56 times by professional fighters. No, that's a lot. It's a lot of beatings to take how many more can he take and a lot of like planned beatings where somebody really had strategy about it and they thought about how they were going to beat you up and then they went in and executed it and beat the shit out

of you that's enough i think i've been conspired against quite enough thank you uh this fight goes all eight rounds though all eight rounds with these but he goes these tomato cans taking him eight rounds uh he goes this brings him he winsous decision, but I mean, he's still not being able to knock this guy out, or at least put him away, TKO here. Brings him to 13-0. Well, good for you, Dale. Dale is now 13-0. June 21st, 1999, this fight he fights Rick Lainhart.

Lainhart? L-A-I-N-H-A-R-T. That fights Rick Lainhart. Lainhart? L-A-I-N-H-A-R-T. That sounds like Lainhart. Lainhart. Yeah. This guy, the most wins of anybody who's ever fought. 11? So we'll say that.

Now, he's got 21 wins. Okay. Also has 28 losses. Yeah. So he gets around, though. But still, that's a fighter. You know, he's winning some. He's losing some.

Good for you. This he loses this one. And Dale knocks him out. It's a TKO in the second round. So I was surprised by that. I expected this. Yeah. I thought this was going to go the distance.

I was positive of it. But it doesn't. This brings him to 14 and 0. So once you get past the 10 and 0 thing,'s when they start looking at you and 15 and 0 is really like at that point you're going hmm 15 and 0 is something that's when they start looking to give you contenders to fight against and shit like that uh june 25th 99 at the grand victoria casino again again he fights john mo Again, same guy or different guy using the same alias. Not sure. But again, he beats John Moore this time.

Another unanimous decision. So John Moore, he can't knock out. Let's just say that. He's going to hold him and whatever the fuck happens here. But this brings him to 15-0. So 15-0, this is the point where they start. Well, look at that. I think your management wants to get you to 15-0 because that gets you an opportunity to maybe get on TV or some lower level.

You're on ESPN on a Thursday night at 2 in the morning or some shit like that. Make a little bit of extra money for your little boy. A couple of bucks for your extra boy. That's 15-0 and grace. That's it. This is grace, my friend, because it's a weird trip from here on out. Up till now, I mean, he's had a he got a boxing scholarship, had kind of a rocky upbringing and, you know, that's fine.

Things happen. He kicked out of school for something that's really not his fault for fighting. It's a he was fighting. He's just trying to make a couple extra bucks. He had a speeding ticket when he's a kid. He's 20 years old. He's fucking speeding. He's not taking boosters money. He's going in there. Yeah. I mean. He had a speeding ticket when he was a kid. Okay, he's 20 years old. He had a fucking speeding ticket. He's not taking Booster's money.

He's going in there. Yeah, I mean, what are you going to do? Yeah, he literally went out and got his brains knocked out for it. So that's up to him, I think, at that point. They're his fucking brains. What do you want? I just see it now, right now, from the collegiate side, where if you're out there and then you get hurt doing that, then what are we going to do? Well, they cut your scholarship, that's all.

There you go. They don't have to pay for it. That's what they do to these fucking kids. Put a clause in there that if you get hurt and you can't come to school and you can't perform the duty that you're getting this education for, then you're out. Shit, they cut their scholarships for less than that. Yeah, they could do anything.

It's ridiculous. So he comes back here after his grace. He's like, oh like oh boy fresh off of grace yeah feels real good it's feeling good it's like i'm at my peak right now shadow boxing yeah and uh august 28th 1999 uh this really is this is the other side of grace right here at the hard rock hotel and casino in vegas baby so now we're not in a fucking shitty bar in kentucky somewhere this is the real deal uh you were in vegas baby so now we're not in a fucking shitty bar in kentucky somewhere this is the real deal uh you were in vegas he's fighting lawrence clay bay no uh that's his name not there's no

nicknames in there clay isn't his nickname like i'm the clay man his name is lawrence clay bay period sounds like a wide receiver uh he is nine and oh coming in lawrence this is what i mean now once they get to 15 now it's like okay we okay, we're going to book him in Vegas, and now you've got to fight another fighter with a winning record. Now we see what happens. Now there's no more hiding after 15. Somebody's leaving here with a loss. Yeah.

Both of them have zero. That's great. Look at Mike Tyson's first 20 fights on YouTube. It takes like 15 minutes because he knocks everybody out in 10 seconds. It takes you nothing. fights on YouTube, it takes like 15 minutes because he knocks everybody out in 10 seconds. But the first 15 fights are like, there's like white guys with mustaches that weigh 195 pounds that he fucking knocks through the ropes and shit. And you're like, good God.

It's very rare that a boxer with a mustache is any good. Outside of the 80s. You know, you got those guys. Those black dudes had some good mustaches that could kick some ass. Holyfield's mustache was pretty decent for a little while. He had a good mustache. Yeah, I go. But this is a different deal.

Tyson would be just knocking slanky dudes out, arms flailing around, always beating the shit out of them. You're like, God, that's not fair. They should have stopped that fight before it started. This clearly isn't going to work. This is unfair. So this fight goes all eight rounds. Oh, boy.

So this is something. This is a battle here of two undefeated fighters, 15-0 and 9-0. How'd it go? In Vegas. And our boy here, Dale Crow, loses a unanimous decision in eight rounds. So 15-1. So his first chance to prove something, and he proves nothing. He went all eight rounds.

He didn't get knocked out, but still doesn't really prove anything. He went all eight rounds with Papa Moore, too, John Moore. His nickname was Papa, by the way, John Moore. It was. It would be. Not Papa John Moore. It was John Papa Moore, which makes, I don't get it. So September 18th, 1999, he's back at the Grand Victoria Casino.

So you go from a better casino back downstairs here now to the Grand Victoria Casino. So you go from a better casino back downstairs here now to the Grand Victoria Casino. And he fights Jerry Brown, the governor of California, which doesn't seem like a fair fight because Jerry Brown is about 70 years old at this point, but somehow, I don't know who the fuck this Jerry Brown is. He's 6 and 15 coming in. You imagine if Papa John Moore bought a Papa John's. That'd be great.

Just the trajectory of his life. He's like, fuck it. I'm not boxing anymore. I'm just going to be the guy that owns a pizza place. Happens to have the same name as me. It's great. Shit. He's racist?

What? What the fuck? But I'm black. I can't win. I'm black. This isn't right. It's not fair. I don't know if John Moore is black.

My boss hates me. There's no picture of that guy anywhere, so I don't know. But yeah. Me? I hate me? How do I hate me? I don't understand it. What the fuck?

Jerry Brown ends up 8-19-0 for his career. So eight wins, 19 losses in his career. This is a first round TKO for Dale. So Dale comes back with a vengeance. Great. I feel like they're like, we need someone with a glass jaw. He needs to knock somebody out and feel good about himself. He needs a win. He needs a win.

So good, solid wins. Brings him to 16 and 1. Then in October 1st, 1999 here. So less than two weeks later, he's fighting again. And all the way, he goes all the way from the Grand Victoria Casino to Randers Hall in Randers, Denmark. So all the way to Denmark. Yeah, he's going to fight in Denmark. Randers Hall sounds terrible in America.

In America, that doesn't sound. In Denmark, it could be like some beautiful place that's been there for 200 years and it's fantastic. Michelangelo painting on the ceiling or some shit. It's fucking gorgeous. And it's got ice people sculpted shit there for you i don't know who comes from denmark it's steeped in amazing history yeah we know uh i know mariah i was gonna say that's all i know mariah our listener who tweets at us and she's very nice the only person i know in denmark yes uh or ever from there who the fuck knows so uh here's a guy from there brian nielsen uh the fighter he fights uh this guy this seems like

a bad decision for for old dale here uh brian nielsen coming into this fight is 50 and 1 wow 50 wins and one loss how do we not know who that guy is this guy because he's a european guy he's not european see heavyweights are a weird thing because it depends on who you fight if you're fighting a bunch of fucking guys in denmark you can be 50 and one but you're not fighting black guys you're not fighting russian guys you're not fighting you know the best from the rest of the world you're fighting a bunch of guys in denmark but he was a known as a really good fighter i read up on him a little bit his career uh he is 64 3 and 0 wow so it's Wow. I don't give a shit who you're fighting.

That's a good record. That's great. It's goddamn good. This fight goes all eight rounds. So Dale fucking hanging in there with the local badass. This shows you how tough the competition is in Denmark. Dale comes over there and goes all eight with a guy who's 50-1 and loses to this guy, too. Dale does lose.

He's 16-2 now. And Brian Nielsen goes on to lose two more in his entire life and then live in Denmark forever. So, I don't know. I'll bet he's huge there. He probably is. Probably a real big fucking star there. Probably is, honestly.

That's the thing. In Europe, any other country. He's their greatest athlete. In any country, yeah, you have local heroes. And if he's good there, I mean, they don't care if he can't beat Dale Crow or if he takes him eight rounds to beat Dale Crow. He beats all the other Denmark people. Danish?

Danish? Danish? Danish. Danish. Danish. Danish. I think it's Danish. He's got free wood shoes for the rest of his life, though, for sure.

So, November 4th, definitely. Cheese ones. Cheese ones. Delicious. November 4th, 99. Now, he just ones, delicious. November 4th, 99. Now, he just fought a 50-in-1 fighter and went the distance with him. So I assume he took some fucking blows, probably. I don't think that was just some guy holding on to him.

A month later, he fights again. So this is about money, plain and simple. He fights in Paducah, Kentucky. So he flies that whole flight all the way back to america yeah after a loss yeah and then fighting in fucking two weeks yeah fights a month later in paducah depressed he fights antonio colbert or colbert i'm not sure i'm gonna call him antonio colbert i think make him sound a little more is he is he uh just Spanish or is he just a black dude or is he just a black dude just standing there what is he just a black dude? Is he just a black dude just standing there?

What is he, just some black guy standing there? That sounds terrible. I know exactly what you mean. Is he like cultured and like, I am Antonio Colbert. He's probably just Antonio Colbert. I think he's just Antonio Colbert from Paducah probably. He's probably just Antonio Culbert. I think he's just Antonio Culbert from Paducah, probably.

His parents wanted to call him Tony, and they thought they were fucking getting fancy. Isn't there a power forward for the Pacers named Antonio that was a big black dude? I don't remember his name. Jesus Christ. There's a lot of them. There's a lot of Antonios that are just tough black dudes. Absolutely. So we're going to go with Antonio Culbert. Or is it like Banderas?

I don't think he's a French-Spanish man. Hello, I am Antonio Colbert. I have come to box. Or is he like a goofy-looking white dude? I have started to box because my baby died of the SIDS. And now I must avenge his soul. Revenge? Avenge. I will do it against anyone I can find, including this man named Dale, who I have found in Paducah, Kentucky.

And I assume he is representative for SIDS. Dale Crow is the spreader of the SIDS to the babies. I will avenge my baby. Unbelievable. So he's one in three coming in so not a spectacular career there and not it really isn't a spectacular career because his total career he ends up six and 34 so not good we'll just say here uh uh this goes all six rounds though you know think about all the rounds this guy's going all the punches to to the fucking head. It is a lot.

Yeah, this isn't a lot of two-round fights. This is a lot of rounds he's fighting here. And so this is a 17-2. He wins by unanimous decision, at least. Brings him to 17-2. Fights two months later, January 8th of 2000. Now, let's remember this place. It's a place called Peel's Palace in Erlanger, Kentucky.

Remember this place because we're going to talk about this place in depth in a few minutes here. It's kind of a bar, I guess it's been described as. It's not a sports venue. We'll put it that way. It's not an arena. It's not a palace, as the name would portray. They put a makeshift ring up yeah and they have fights there yeah ironically it's what it's a very ironic it's one of those things where there's a ring and the ceiling looks too low it looks like

if the guys jump too high i feel like it's one of i'm not sure if it is but i feel like it's one of those places where you're like on the can lighting the ceiling is made for you to be walking on the floor, not elevated five feet from the floor and standing up. So it's one of those. He fights Antonio, Antonio Colbert again. Again? He's coming back. I am not done with Antonio. I am not done with the Del Crow.

He beat me once, but I think I can take him this time. I would avenge my boy. My boy is worth it. My boy is worth a beating. My boy is worth the concussions I will suffer to avenge his death, his untimely demise. He is too young. He is too young.

Just too young. He has no women to romance. He has not been, he has not done the things that he should do in his life. So this against Antonio Colbert. He wins, Dale does, by TKO in the sixth round of six. Because I can't let this go the fucking distance again and just beat the shit out of him in the sixth until he stopped it. This brings him up to 18-2.

Now, after his second loss a few fights ago that we talked about, his fight, his Nielsen loss in Denmark, this is when everything changes for him. It's amazing. After he has just a sudden weight gain and it's all muscle. It's weird. It's so strange because normally it's very difficult. You're a man, Jimmy. Kind of. You find it difficult, I assume, toimmy um kind of you find it difficult i

assume to put on 25 pounds of muscle in like four months right i can it's tough right yeah even 25 pounds of fat would be tough to put on in two months two months that's fast that's a lot of fat and but muscle to make it all just make you jacked i'd have to quit this that's all you'd have to do you have to get a nutritionist you'd be a fucking mess somebody have to tell this. That's all you'd have to do. You'd have to get a nutritionist. You'd be a fucking mess. Somebody would have to tell me what to do. You'd have to be, that would be your job, basically, to train. Well, he goes, in a few short months, he goes from 200 pounds to 225 of solid fucking muscle. Wow.

Which, kind of not natural, I don't think. And we find out it's not natural. It's going to raise a red flag. It's going to raise a little bit of a red flag. He says here, God damn it, what do you you say let's do it in their own words and find out what this asshole has to say about this shit because uh i don't know we haven't heard from him yet let's find out he says in their own words quote my problem is i wasn't taking things seriously enough i had a lot of responsibilities i have a family and I got myself in financial

difficulties. Now I've got my priorities all straight and I want to be champ eventually. Things are going pretty good, but I also know this whole thing's a big chance for me. I used to lay carpet, but it was taking too much time out of my training. So I recently started boxing full time and taking a shitload of steroids. mentioned that it's uh when you're taking steroids it's hard to lay carpet you just get angry at carpet and it doesn't lay straight when you do it that way and and when you take steroids and lay carpet just your leg gets really big just one leg slamming that fucking uh plus rake thing into the wall just kicking it yeah plus they were just fucking there was carpet just stapled to the fucking walls and the ceiling and people were like that's not

where he was like what what motherfucker you don't like that shit you wanted that much i put that There was carpet just stapled to the fucking walls and the ceiling. And people were like, that's not where. He was like, what? What? Motherfucker. You don't like that shit? You wanted that much. I put that much in. And then he tore your house down.

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Also, so he has a son. He's going through a divorce. He's got fucking roids happening on him. There's a lot of pressure on this guy right now. And during this time this is when his boxing career is at a real turning point this is he could go one way or the other he could turn into one of these guys who's you know 17 21 and 5 or he could end up being a guy who's 31 and 3 yeah whatever so uh if you're taking steroids and going through a divorce and

your profession is beating the shit out of people. Yeah. You can really channel a couple of anger. I would say. You can channel some into a very positive way. That's what I mean. And really further yourself. You can channel is the best way to do it.

He's fueled with rage right now. He's very fueled with rage, but it's tough for him here. Now, according to his trainer, a guy named Rob Radford, his silver-haired aged white man, number one, I guess he's trained him for five years at this point. I trained him at his boxing for fitness center in Madisonville. He says about Dale, quote, Right now, a big payday for us is anywhere from six thousand to ten thousand dollars. That's a big payday, which is a great payday. I'd love to make that in a day. But but we've heard of boxing a lot.

Oh, he made $3.2 million for this fight, or he made $800,000. Yeah, that'd be great. Radford goes on to say, quote, If he wins this fight, he's within six months to a year of making at least $100,000 per fight. So that's what I mean. There are levels, and he's at that level. It's $6,000 to $10,000. If he starts starts losing he's going to drop down to the fifteen hundred twenty two thousand range if he starts winning he's going to be in the hundred thousand dollar range so he's this is a

slight comedy a fragile win always fragile thing that carrot chasing that fucking carrot if you do this this is you might it might it could happen it's not a it's not a this is gonna happen it's if you do this you're set up to possibly. That's common. In boxing, you actually do that, though, because you fight and then you win. You won. There's no like, well, they like that guy better because he's younger. You beat him.

That's it. It's over with. It's the fucking end of it. Times are a change. Well, she's only 21, so they want to get him. No, actually, you just knocked her the fuck out. So guess what? You're going on to the next thing.

Yeah, you're getting the title shot. It's the way it works. So, yeah, this is they said if he wins and if he wins a few more, he's going to be, you know, he can do well. This is there's a big article pushing him fighting. He's going to fight on TV. This fight's going to be on television. It's going to be on like a local Fox Sports affiliate. But he's on television.

It's something. on television it's going to be on a like a local fox sports affiliate but he's on television it's something he's fighting a guy named frey uh fres or phrase akendo f-e-r-s i don't know if it's frey fres phrase fresca fresca quendo uh here of chicago uh this guy fres here is 15 and 0 with nine knockouts so he's a real contender this is uh this he's basically reached that point again where he's got to fight prove himself prove it again and if he wins he wins otherwise he's a real contender this is uh this he's basically reached that point again where he's got to fight prove himself prove it again and if he wins he wins otherwise he's going to be the guy at the up-and-comers fight that's not the guy you want to be uh that's the when you make shit money so uh he says quote uh radford he's uh this guy his trainer says quote if dale wins that makes

him 15th in the world and then you're getting somewhere because fres is as uh number 15 in the world and if it beats if dale beats him he'll take over his spot with nine knockouts and 15 and oh was that what he was 15 and now he's number 15th in the world yeah but ranked by the north american boxing federation which i don't know what the fuck that is but still uh yeah also a uh that's so close oh that's close to nambla way too close to way someone's gonna accidentally google search you and be like jesus i just want a box i don't want to touch kids what the fuck man type in namb and then you get the first link this is not probably a problem god damn uh cincinnati promoter bill phelan, they say, puts on occasional pro boxing shows in the tri-state.

So, you know, these are top highbrow affairs. He says about Crow that his biggest asset is his toughness. He says, quote, I've never seen him hurt. His only losses were by decisions, and he's got a really strong chin. Plus, he's fast and he's a southpaw, and guys don't like to fight left-handed. Always a lefty. Which is true also, yeah. That's why a lot of these fights, too, I'm sure, are sloppy, unanimous decisions, fast and he's a southpaw and guys don't like to fight left-handed which is true also yeah that's

why a lot of these fights too i'm sure are sloppy yeah uh unanimous decisions because guys get weird with lefties they hold them they don't know how to go about it a punch against that guy it's a weird thing well you're just everything it's not what you're used to and uh yeah i mean you can train against southpaws but it's still just it's like guys left-handed pitchers it's the same thing it comes out different it's a weird thing the angles are just different from a lefty and when you're when you're throwing a punch with your right and that that's the same side that his power punch is coming from he can counter and he's used to that because he's fighting right he's his whole life that's all he fights so it's one of those things yeah the southpaw has the advantage again we're talking a rocky situation here i'd

love to watch two southpaws going at it though i've seen that recently usually i like i love like a smooth southpaw i like like a fucking quick smooth so i love that shit it's a fun shit to watch uh yeah this he's got a real rocky thing going on here crow he's trying to be like a rocky okay he's a fucking uh meaty mediocrely skilled fucking white brawler uh well he was from philly rocky Rocky. So it's almost Midwest. That is not the East Coast. Philly is absolutely the East Coast. It's on the fucking ocean and there's a port. But it's that's the East Coast.

It's an hour from New York City. It's also an hour. Philly is not. If that's the Midwest, then New York City is the Midwest. That is the East Coast as you get. You're right. Pittsburgh is the Midwest. Yeah, but you're only a couple hours from Pittsburgh to Pittsburgh. Like culturally is the east coast as you get you're right pittsburgh is the midwest yeah but you're only a couple hours from pittsburgh too pittsburgh like culturally is the midwest yeah cultural

pittsburgh is it's the midwest philly is yeah philly is like new york's pissed off younger brother even though they're old them as like fucking pittsburgh people yeah yeah philly's an angry older brother whose younger brother's done better than him that's what that's what philly is and they're pissed off about it like yeah yeah yeah he's fucking fantastic i heard about everything he's doing it's great you know what i do you know i got my own carpet laying business right i fucking told you that didn't i i'm doing pretty fucking good too i just bought a new truck yeah i just bought a new fucking truck i don't care about his fucking house i don't need a big house like that i don't need it and philly's had a parade much more recently than Pittsburgh, too. I don't need all them goddamn museums.

You think I need all that shit? What do you think? I need operas? I don't need no fucking operas. I don't need none of that. The Sixers are getting better. Ben Franklin's from here. Eat my shit.

You want to talk culture? Suck my dick. Ben Franklin's from here. That's your fucking culture. Eat my balls. How's that? Come over here. Let's have a water ice.

Yeah, boy. franklin's from you that's your fucking culture eat my balls how's that come over here let's have a water ice yeah boy so february 6 2000 is a fight against uh this is phrase fast phrase akendo that's what he goes fast he hasn't fought him yet now he fought some here this is on the undercard of a uh of a of the headliner is hector macho Camacho Jr. Wow. Not senior. That was junior. He had a junior. He had a junior fighting on this. So it's on TV because people want to see that. It's at the Grand Victoria Casino in Elgin, Illinois,

fighting Fast Frey Akendo. He ends up, by the way, Akendo, a 37 and 8 career. That's a good fighter. That's a goddamn good fighter here. This fight goes all 10 rounds. Holy shit. So That's a good fight. That's a goddamn good fighter here. This fight goes all 10 rounds. Holy shit. So it's a fucking war. And he has a good chin, like they said.

And Dale's pretty damn tough. But he loses a unanimous decision in 10 rounds. Frase is kind of a, he's just a more skilled fighter. And this brings him to 18 and 3. And he's pissed off about it, obviously. April 7th, a couple months later here, 2000, he's back at the damn casino again grand victoria he fights lorenzo boyd this guy's just a journeyman 30 wins 54 losses and one draw so that's just a lot of fights a whole lot of beatings goes uh all eight rounds

unanimous decision uh this time uh dale wins bringing him to 19 and 3 uh june 11 2000 lucky star casino in concho illinois or concho illinois or not illinois oklahoma oh even worse this is concho for concho lucky star casino in concho oklahoma on the side of a freeway oh you know it there's absolutely signs for miles you and your jake breaks through the fucking through the round signs for miles at sir mix-a-lot will be there in three months they're real excited about it i dream of jean signing autographs we got one of them journey impersonator bands coming in it's gonna be pretty good after that they got 38 special impersonator band going open for them so we're pretty excited about it i mean they're not bragging or nothing they could get 38 special they could probably actually get the real 38 but you're

probably right yeah you're absolutely right what am i talking about no one impersonates 38 special you just get 38 special you either get 38 special or a wedding dj that only plays yeah i got i got both albums oh you do all right well then never then, never mind. Let's do the thing. Let's just put the CD on. That's a whole two hours of entertainment. Fuck it, man. So he fights Cliff Couser, C-O-U-S-E-R, who is 18, 5, and 2 coming in. Not bad.

He's a Dale. He's kind of on the same level as Dale. He ends up being 26, 22, and 2 for his career. It went south right after this. It went kind of south here. This goes all 10 rounds again, so how many rounds and beatings and a lot of shots to the head this Dale has taken.

He loses, Dale does, all and goes and going in 10, bringing him to 19 and 4. Starting to get a little ugly now, 19 and 4. That's not terrific. September 8, 2000, he fights again. So he just is fucking plugging June 11th, September 8th, back at the Grand Victoria Casino, fighting Troy Weta.

He is a 37-7-2 fighter coming in. Pretty good fighter. 46-26-2 career. So he gets around. It turns. It turns, yeah. After they fight Dale, it turns. They keep hanging they keep hanging

on and hanging well it seems like that's when he's getting older and then they just fall off the boxing you kind of fall off a cliff it's a certain thing yeah hand eye shit they go you know your hand speed goes quick i would say if you go like i wear glasses i go to the doctor every year and the doctor will tell you that every year you get an eye checkup it's not just to see if your prescription needs to be changed or not it's to see how your health and how fucked up your eyes are now and last year i got a higher prescription i was like it seems like that's a big jump and he goes oh yeah yeah in the next couple of years you're falling apart it's gonna be bad yeah it's gonna get bad you don't understand like i'm 37 your balls are gonna fall off you have no idea

they fall right off while you're walking between 35 and 40 your eyes get way worse jesus christ and so if you're doing anything that has to do with hand eye coordination your eyes aren't great to begin with you're in trouble you're gonna be shit's gonna go bad and your your hand speed though your reflexes every wide receiver it's the famous thing they always say like your foot speed doesn't go first it's your hands go first right and it's not a matter it's just a matter of the ball that you were like oh i can grab that the year before you grabbed it in time this year it's off your fingertips because you didn't quite get them out there and you think you did and you're like everything seems the same why isn't this working but if your eyes decay faster then you got that too to deal with it's that close to the brain and all those other nerves

are so much further yeah the further you get from the brain the faster they decay i imagine i would think so uh this troy wita doesn't last long this is a tko in round one yeah so i don't know what dale did but he had troy's number here this brings us to november 10 2000 in dallas where he fights roy bedwell uh who is a 15 58 and one fighter coming in his career ends up being 15 71 and one so he never wins another fight but he fights a lot more uh the amount of punches thrown jesus and rounds uh good god this is uh this is a ko in round two uh dale wins this one, bringing him to 21-4. This brings us to a very, very interesting night here. March 9, 2001. This is a crazy night that we're going to talk about.

They changed boxing in the area for a while, too. They changed some rules around it. This was a big deal. March 9, 2001. It's at the Peel's Palace in Erlinger, Kentucky, a big deal. March 9, 2001, it's at the Peels Palace in Erlinger, Kentucky. As we know, this is not a place that is set up for a top-notch athletic event, we'll just say as far as that goes. This is for a title, a big title, one that we've all dreamy.

You, as a child, you laid in bed at night when your mom told you to go to bed, and you were like, I can't, Mom mom i can't sleep because i'm anticipating someday i am going to win the vacant kentucky state heavyweight title yeah which that does not sound like something worth fighting for uh but it is apparently but in kentucky everybody's a heavyweight yeah that's a that's a good point to be the biggest one and the best one it's the truth truth. Yeah. It's a good point. Lots of overalls on shirts. Lots of overalls. Take your shirt off, pal.

Put your overalls on, shirt off. That's right. Ah, there we go. Now you're looking like a real hillbilly. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Now you're a hillbilly. That's what I'm talking. Be a hillbilly.

Come on. That's right. Get all hillbilly. Shit your pants. Shit your pants. Play with that animal. Be a hillbilly. Come on. That's right. Get all hillbilly. Shit your pants. Shit your pants. Play with that animal. Be a hillbilly. Come on.

Take your shirt off. Come on. Because I'm a degenerate. And when you said shit your pants, play with that animal, I saw them shitting in their pants and then reaching into the back. Making them believe it's a bunny. Sorry, that was Vince McMahon wanting everybody to put your... Vince McMahon had a hillbilly

obsession where in the 80s especially at hillbilly gym and like cousin luke and uncle and they all had him build from kentucky so there you go that's why i'm saying where was the ex-odd jim duggan from he was from new york glenn's falls new york no but i mean is that what they build him at yeah and that's where he's from too it's a that's his real name and kind of looked a little hillbilly too but well he's he's cross-eyed and he looks more inbred and from anywhere he could be from anywhere he looks like he came out of a cave yeah and just started yelling and screaming talking about him with sarah that guy could just go into a grocery store and go oh and half the place will go oh yeah oh they'll go back looks yell it back at him it's fucking weird shit so uh he fights here now this is the best fighter he's ever

fought here this is a guy named greg page greg page is a former heavyweight champion like real heavyweight champion like he's a he's a really good fighter uh no it's well because this was he the time he was good was when tyson and holyfield and those guys were big in the early 90s so you brutal you can't yeah those guys were and also back then there were so many good heavyweights even fucking bow came around then razor ruddick was a bad motherfucker i mean that you look at a guy like a razor ruddick type that guy would be a the champion of the world no problem nowadays if there wasn't if there wasn't riddick bow and evander holyfield and mike tyson to fucking go through i mean that's a real lewis

yeah later on lennox lewis coming up the ranks at that time, too. There's a Brit that's a... Fuck, man. Is that the only Brit that I know that boxes? I think so. Well, no, there's Brits, but they're not good. That I know. Yeah, yeah.

That's for sure the most famous. He's so big, too. He was so good. 6'6", 240 and smooth. Sounded so smart. Just jab you away the whole time. Everything he said sounded beautiful. Lennox was such a patient fighter.

He'd just be like, well, I'll just jab you for 12 if that's all you're going to let me do. Fine. Let's keep you away from me. That's fine. No problem. If you make a mistake, I'll knock you out. I'm a big guy.

It's fine. Either way, I'll be very polite about it. It's going to be okay. Eloquent and sweet. Yes. Now, Greg Page coming into this fight is 58-16-1. So 58 wins, 16 losses. He's a real fighter.

Problem is, at this point, he is 43 years old. Okay. He's done. I mean, this is... He shouldn't really probably be fighting at this point. For sure. But this is like Evander Holyfield fighting. Evander Holyfield's still trying to get boxing licenses.

Get the fuck out of here. I think he had a fight last year. He's like 49, 50 years old. Yeah. He's still getting Vander Holyfield's still trying to get boxing licenses. Get the fuck out of here. I think he had a fight last year. He's like 49, 50 years old. Yeah. He's still getting boxing licenses somehow and still applying for them and he can't even speak. Have you heard him speak in the last 10 years? No.

I don't think I've heard him speak really much. He talked like, he can't fucking talk anymore. He can't fucking talk anymore. I mean, he wasn't a very eloquent man to begin with. He always sounded a little punch drunk. He's Southern too, so that's whatever. No southern but you know you know you know you push words together a little slower southern i can't tell you know people have said that before to people that's been a thought that's been crossed and then you go no he's just southern it's fine but holyfield also has been beaten in the fucking head a lot slow

southern or foreign. You know what I mean? Like, are you new to the language? Yeah. What's happening here? Now, Paige, a little bit about him, a little background to kind of tell you the kind of guy he is and the fact that he's not some schlub that fights in fucking bars and shit like that.

By the time he was 15 years old, he was a sparring partner of Muhammad Ali. Holy shit. Yeah. That's his lineage. That's how he he was a sparring partner of Muhammad Ali. Holy shit. Yeah, that's his lineage. That's how he came up. He learned boxing from Muhammad Ali. But Muhammad Ali, how much of a dick is he that he's just beating up 15-year-olds? Sparring partners would beat him up. That's how he did it.

Oh, really? That's why Ali is such a fucking mess right now. That's not the only reason why he's Parkinson's. But he also, I meant, you know what I meant. Later on, he's a real mess. That's why he's dead, Jimmy. A 15-year-old killed Muhammad Ali? That's why he's parkinson's but he also i meant you know what i meant later on he's a real mess that's why he's dead jimmy jimmy 15 year old that's why he died when you spar with a 15 year old it kills you it's like a curse like in a horror movie that's hilarious it's a leprechaun will come out or he'll die one of the two so he's sparring with them this is when he's 15 in the in

the 70s he's's Ali was king shit. I mean, this is when this is probably his 30s, right? Muhammad Ali. Yeah, this was at the end of his career. He was. But this kid was 15 learning boxing from Muhammad Ali. So, I mean, right away, you know, he must have had some talent for Ali to go. I want this kid in here with me or his people or whatever.

people or whatever uh he uh he then also fought a three-round uh exhibition with muhammad ali a couple years later when ali was 35 in front of 1200 people and at a high school gym in louisville kentucky that's awesome this is a three-round exhibition it was against his sparring partner so it was just it was ali's kind of way to put on a show for the people and to give this kid a thrill and to have all his family and friends let him come see Muhammad Ali fight him. That's kind of cool. So, Page won the National Golden Gloves Championship three years later. So, I mean,

this is no joke. I mean, he wasn't in it. He won it. He's no shit. He then won the USBA and WBA heavyweight championships by the time he was 25 years old. Oh, Christ. So, yeah, he ended up, he made about $3 million in his career, too, was doing very well.

August 1993, he's knocked out by Bruce Seldon, who was a big fighter in the 80s, and he was kind of a half-assed heavyweight. Another guy might have been a better heavyweight. Like, nowadays, probably could be a really good heavyweight. No, not now, because he's 50, but if he was young. Yeah, if he could get back to the future himself into now, he'd probably be good. But coming up in the late 80s and 90s,

unless you were beating Mike Tyson, you're fucked basically. And not a lot of people were doing that as we remember. So he gets knocked out by Bruce Seldon, Greg Page does, in August of 93 for the IBF Intercontinental title. And then doesn't fight for three years after that. Takes three. They fucked him up mentally. Well, I'm sure.

And he just didn't want to do it anymore. That's weird. It just made him just not want to do it. He didn't want to train. He just didn't fucking have any interest in it anymore. And then made a comeback in 1996. And, you know, he's got a name and he's a good fighter so people will still hire him but he's getting old and he's becoming just kind of a journeyman to to for younger guys to try to prove themselves and that's

where he is now that's where he is now in in what an article calls quote a makeshift ring at peels palace a bar and social club in Erlinger, Kentucky. Yeah, he's fighting Dale Crowe, who the article calls a, quote, bald, chiseled, heavily tattooed 24-year-old. That's the thing. Dale's only 24. Yeah, he is young. He's a young guy, and he's got so many fights under his belt

and a lot of blows to the head by 24. This fight is for $1,500. This is a man who had made over $3 million in his career. Wow. Was a champion of the world, won Golden Gloves, fought Muhammad Ali, and was trained

the whole deal. Now he's fighting in a bar for $1,500. Muhammad Ali was in my life. Yeah. I've taken a punch from him. I've. Muhammad Ali was in my life. Yeah, I've taken a punch from him. I've socked Muhammad Ali in the face. How many people can say that? I've had many conversations with that man about this sport.

He's taught me things. He's taught me how to do shit. This is for the, like we said, Kentucky heavyweight state heavyweight title he's fighting for. Not exactly the most prestigious belt on the face of the earth. $1,500, though, man. Also, Greg, they told they told Greg that he will get a nationally televised fight in Louisville if he wins. This is what he said here. But the thing is, Greg, you'd think the fifteen hundred dollars wouldn't be the main motivator. But he said that's why he fought. He needed the money. Yeah. He said, and we'll find out.

He said at that point, he needed the money. He said being an ex-millionaire didn't do anything for him. He said he let his family take a stab at running things financially for him and lost every dime he had. God damn it. Because people who don't know how to manage your money, you shouldn't let manage your fucking money. It's also people that didn't earn that with you, that don't know how to manage your money you shouldn't let manage your fucking money it's also people that didn't earn that with you yeah you know i mean that didn't that that don't

know how hard that was to do like they just see it show show up in the bank wow look at that there there it is yeah let's go play with that also too they don't know how to manage money because they don't fucking have any and that's not their profession either that's there's people who do that shit for a living right and sometimes they rip you off and you're paying them to do it and then still they know what they're doing so your family's really gonna fuck you over make a goddamn dollar and to squander it after how hard to get your head beat in 675 times you're like you blew all that you know how many fucking brain cells i lost for that money it's not like you could go make that again it's not like it's the stock market where you're like well i'll just go hope hope i get lucky again like that's all i had i might i have no

more fighting left in me uh yeah he said uh when he started his life over he got a new wife uh at this point he had gotten a divorce greg page and met somebody else and that cost him more fucking money yep that's why he was also hurting he said damn it. He says that when he started his life over, he had nothing but his wife and his kids there, and he said that his devout faith and that everything would be all right. He thought he could just do it. This fight, though, by the way, goes to the 10th round. This is the 418th round of his career,reg page so that's a lot around 76 pro fights it's it's a lot uh what ends up happening here this is the last few seconds of the 10th round

dale pushes greg backwards uh kind of into the rope greg stumbles to the ropes and the ropes by the way are not like real tight to bounce off of they're just kind of dangling there like a 70s wrestling match. And we'll let Dale say what happened here. Dale says, quote, I seen his head snap and he fell on me instead of backwards, which is a weird thing. He says he slumped down with his bottom resting on one of the lower ropes. He made a motion as if to get back up, then slumped down as the referee counted him out. That's what Dale says.

And then at that point, it's fucking chaos in the ring. It's chaos at this point. Dale's corner celebrates. They're all going crazy. And this is not a, like we said, there's no procedures here. It's a fucking ring, and there's people around it, and everybody's celebrating. There's no lanes and shit like that.

Greg's corner is trying to figure out what's going on with Greg and make sure he's okay. Dale's getting the belt. They're taking pictures of him. Everybody's celebrating in there. At that point, the corner figures out that Greg can't breathe. He's dead. He's not dead, but he's having a hard time breathing. He's assisted.

They assist him into a better position so he can breathe. Open his airway. And they're calling out for the ringside doctor, and they can't get anybody there to help him. The doctor's on a smoke break. There's no doctor around. Nobody can get to the ring because everybody's crammed around it. There's not adequate security. This is a fucking mess. What ends up happening, the doctor ends up coming and really doesn't do much for him and uh at by the time anybody figures out that he might need an ambulance it's about 20 minutes oh

jesus 20 minutes it ends up being 22 minutes for an ambulance to get there to get the 22 minutes you're in a fucking boxing ring they should be on you like that second you hit that fucking canvas and somebody says hey come here there should be everybody should clear out there's this is why you need to have like systems in place to have up you can't just have a boxing match you have a fight that's dangerous there's no doctor around someone can fucking get hurt well they have a doctor but we'll talk about what happened here this is ridiculous man uh because of all the time that elapsed here greg was in respiratory arrest by the time he's loaded into the ambulance. It was 22 minutes, man. Page ends up being in a coma by the time he gets to the hospital

and suffering significant brain damage from this. He's transferred to a St. Luke's hospital in Florence where it's decided that his brain is bleeding and he needs emergency surgery. So he's taken to a trauma hospital over in cincinnati and it wasn't until three and a half hours after he was initially in need of help that he's finally

getting the surgery they like jerked off from this place to that 22 minutes here then they take him here look at him they go well this boy needs surgery we better get him somewhere else four hours of brain hemorrhaging. Yeah. It's unbelievable. He had a palm-sized section of his skull removed so that swelling could be accommodated. That's how bad this is. He lost several units of blood, suffered a massive stroke because several branches of his brain were clotted up. The right side of his brain was virtually destroyed by this.

He was put on life support, and his family is notified that he might not make it through the night. He survives the night somehow. He's a tough son of a bitch. This Greg, I mean, that's the only thing you can attribute it to. This is crazy. This is for $1,500, man. Like all that.

All 1,500. And he needed the money. That's why he did it. That's the thing. If it was like a young guy going for opportunity and he was blindly entering into it, this guy knew this wasn't a good thing. He's fought 75 times, man. He knew when he walked into that place, this is not fucking right. I'm so uncomfortable.

I got to get through this. I got to get that $1,500. Maybe I'll get on TV, get a better payday. I don't fucking know. But this is terrible here it's fucking wild uh the next few weeks he'd have a bunch of initial additional surgeries to help him breathe and ingest food that's how much he's he's hurt he spent four weeks in the hospital in ohio and then once they was medically stable enough they transfer him back to louisville he spends another three months in a rehab institute, the Fraser Rehab Institute, where

this guy tries to regain anything here. He has to learn how to sit up, brush his teeth, comb his hair, how to eat. He has to learn how to be a person again. Unbelievable. Literally, he has to start from scratch to learn how to physically do things again, like a baby, basically. Lucky he didn't have SIDS.

Good. He damn near had the SADS. Almost had the SADS. Yeah, this is, now, when we go into this and we look a little deep in at what the fuck happened and how is this allowed,

the Athletic Commission, who is politically appointed, these are just, your buddy gets elected something and he can appoint whoever he wants he's like hey bob and jim you're on the athletic commission they don't know dick all about fucking what regulations should be in place for fucking boxing matches and then this horse shit happens unbelievable here uh the commission was led by a guy named jack kearns they put 800 to stage this event 800 that was the that was that's what

this this cost to put up that's not enough no no it's not at all ring costs a lot more than 800 bucks the ring you need doctors you need you need a lot you need security you need ropes you need all that type of shit uh the promoter had no insurance to cover Greg in case of injury. He had no insurance for these fucking people. He had people fighting under his banner to make him money

and had no fucking insurance in case they got hurt. That's insane. That's fucking insane. That's what I mean. I've made independent films that's fucking insured in case somebody gets hurt.

I don't care. And we're not even doing anything where someone's going to get hurt. But if you trip over a fucking sandbag that's on a C-stand and crack your head open, I'm not losing my fucking everything I have because of it. So that's what it is. So yeah, it's fucking no insurance. There was no stretcher at ringside.

They had no preparations in case something happened. There wasn't even oxygen available or a readily available ambulance. Nothing. Nothing. something happened there wasn't even oxygen available or a readily available ambulance nothing nothing the emts at the local fire department weren't even aware the fight was going on they didn't even say hey by the way guys be on call because we have a fight so in case anything happens be uh be ready to fucking haul ass over here they didn't even know they were being called hey there's a guy down what happened oh he's in a boxing match what do you mean a boxing they didn't even like featherweights. That's what I mean. Throwing.

These are heavyweights. Blasting each other. A 225 pound tattooed steroid fucking using man fighting a 43 year old man of an old man. This is not fucking OK here. So they weren't prepared or able to anticipate the need for. Otherwise, they said they could have had shit prepared for something like this that they they know contingencies of of boxing they know okay we'll have a bottle of oxygen it could be a head injury and what they would know how they know they'd know what to have ready in the ambulance just in case basically the ringside physician

is a guy named jesus dr manual mediodia which should be Mediocria, this motherfucker. This guy here, unbelievable. He never, he does not have a license to practice in Kentucky. That's not a doctor. He's not a licensed doctor in the state you're in. Unbelievable. And not only that, he carried no medical malpractice insurance. So he's not licensed. He's just a guy who's like, I know a guy who knows fucking.

I got a saw bones. He's like a mob doctor. I got a guy. We can go in his basement. I'll pull a bullet out. He won't tell anybody. What the fuck is this? It's the equivalent of having a goddamn guy from another country that's licensed there.

No, he was a doctor in Romania. He's cool. He drives a cab here, but he's a doctor in romania he's cool he drives a cab here but he's a doctor in romania he knew what he was doing trust me he's a yeah he was a podiatrist but he can fucking worry about this guy's brain hemorrhage he's a veterinarian i mean you know shit you gotta know more a lot to be a veterinarian like kramer said on seinfeld you gotta be able to cure a chicken a fish a pig a turtle all in the same day that's a damn good point kramer would only go to a vet

at one point i gotta be able to cure it all i gotta know more this guy knows a lot this guy told investigators that he felt that this is after all this happened this fucking idiot who has the word doctor in front of his fucking name i I'm going to call myself Dr. James Petrogallo from now on. War hero. Dr. James Petrogallo, war hero here. Just here to tell you about medical shit that I don't know anything about. Beware of SIDS. Apparently it's real. Or it's just shit that women said in the 60s because they wanted to smother their kids because they were depressed.

Or men that were drunk and angry at their family. And they'd say, I don't know, my wife left me and the kid has SIDS. I don't know what to tell you. So, this don't know. My wife left me and the kid has SIDS. I don't know what to tell you. So this is fucking crazy. This asshole told investigators that he felt that Greg Page was, quote, probably just exhausted. Probably just exhausted. From getting his fucking head bashed in. As he was in a coma.

Right. He was in a coma in the ring. You know, his eyes are closed. He's not responsive. He seems sleepy to me. And he told them, I thought, I figured that. coma right he was in a coma in the ring you know his eyes are closed he's not responsive he seems sleepy to me and he told them i thought i figured that he didn't even this fucking guy didn't even stay with greg until the ambulance arrived what he left a comatose man in the fucking ring in the a doctor yeah a fucking quote doctor yeah left a man in a coma yeah with no medical assistance and said well i

gotta go i got i'm late for a thing they matter they'll be here soon you don't need me anymore i'll take off in his defense i mean i'm not licensed here i hear sirens he can be all right there's people coming that'll help him exactly that's my that's exactly where i was going with that he was basically like well uh that's uh oh boy it's getting kind of late here uh yeah if anybody's if anybody asked if there's a doctor there isn't any okay bye and he took off in a car screeching fucking peeling out of the parking lot if there's a doctor there isn't any and that's not lying not even close because i'm not one he didn't can you imagine the fucking lack of every kind of medical ethic there is to fucking leave him.

Not only, dude, if there's a car accident you're supposed to pull over if you're a medical professional just to see if you can help. If you're a fuck, can you, this guy, you were assigned. Right. This is your job. You were hired for this. And you didn't even stick with it. He got paid $200 for it. He got a fourth of the budget.

He got a quarter of the fucking budget. Unreal. Unreal, man. Wow. So this is a fourth of the fucking budget. Unreal. Unreal, man. Wow. So this is a serious brain injury. Obviously, his wife, Paige's wife, says that, you know, they're suing. They end up suing the state, obviously, fucking everybody, mainly the state athletic commission for not coming down hard on this whole thing and having a better. A better.

Allowing this. Oh, I was. There's a lot of people. They had to be told it was happening. There's allowing this. Oh, there's a lot of people to sue. They had to be told it was happening. There's a lot of people to sue here. They said it was all early medical. If they would have got to him early, they would have been able to help him a lot here. How did this get through so many layers of people that have to be aware of this event?

And they're just like, yep, it all looks right. It's so crazy, man. His wife says, quote, I'm fighting years of tradition. I've contacted Congress stressing the need for stricter boxing safety laws and to make sure the laws

are already there or enforced. They end up having a trial about this whole thing. They file a lawsuit against, like I said, Kentucky Athletic Commission, the ringside physician, the promoter, and others for alleged violations of eight state and federal laws governing boxing. Page's lawyer contends that delays in treatment exacerbated the injuries, But a lawyer representing the Athletic Commission said, this is amazing. Yeah, this is ballsy. Quote, I haven't seen any evidence to suggest his brain injury was caused in any way by negligent treatment at ringside. Fuck you, dude. Wow. What a fucking cocksucker.

Balls. What a cocksucker. 22 minutes, dickface. Wow. That's too long doctor left the doctor fucking late wasn't licensed in that state and didn't carry malpractice insurance end of story uh greg's short-term memory is severely impaired uh minutes after he does something he doesn't remember doing it goes to do it again does that sort of thing has no memory of

the fight or the weeks leading up to the fight just lost like a month of his life basically uh his long-term memory before the fight's pretty much intact uh that but everything after it's a fucking mess uh he's totally paralyzed on the left side of his body uh moves between a wheelchair and a recliner and his bed because he can't fucking walk at all uh his speech is slurred especially when he's tired and his medical bills as you might imagine are out of fucking control uh it takes he had to take 15 to 20 pills a day uh finally when he got uh that is dangerous too yeah and that he does he did it and does it again yeah that's what i mean he needs someone taking care of him big time that's i mean he needs someone do it himself no he needs someone caring for him uh his wife says that after his final discharge from the rehab center uh they said they took him

home and went to the local drug store with about 130 to get a medicine they didn't have insurance they told him they told his wife all his medications would be about 1100 to which they just didn't have the money to get him the medications how about you guys take this that's what i mean nope sorry we got 130 that's about 10 so good luck uh eventually though we'll talk about it later he ends up winning 1.2 million dollars from the state good good but that's not enough unreal uh no it's not now for dale that's a knockout in the 10th round. He's 22 and 4. And a vicious one. It counts, I guess. He damn near killed a man. Yeah, he absolutely did. He says, Dale says his love for boxing completely disappeared at this point.

This is when it was over. He coped with it by, he basically said he was guilty. He turned to drugs and violent outbursts because he's drugged up. Now he's on drugs and steroids. And he's angry and he feels horrible about himself. So he said he just turns into violent outbursts and turns into not a good, not a nice guy to be around at this point. He does get a tattoo of a boxing glove with the words champion Greg Page on it on his arm.

It feels very bad. He said, quote, After Greg, I started getting hit. I got scared. Got a little gun shy and I started wondering what was going on in my head. I was just done. So I would assume after you do that, if you're a human being, you might start thinking, well, why am I hitting people as hard as I can when I could fucking turn them into vegetables? You know, just as a normal. I mean, you can't have that thought as a boxer.

So if you have that thought in your head, your killer instinct is done. There's a outside the lines done about this. And they interview him and they interview they interview everybody here. And Dale says about this quote, there was the venue there was smoky. It was a dump. And I said to myself, why are we fighting here? He said there was no shame in fighting Greg Page. I mean, Page was a hell of a champion. He was a hell of a dump. And I said to myself, why are we fighting here? He said there was no shame in fighting Greg Page. I mean, Page was a hell of a champion.

He was a hell of a fighter. You meet a lot of good guys. He said, Crow said, quote, Dale said, quote, I knew if I lost, they were going to say that he just got beat by an old man. I just never forget that I had 10 seconds left. I just remember I just threw a straight left hand i seen his head snap and he fell on i fell on me and uh me instead of falling backwards uh and as i tried to push him off for a little room to punch as you know that's when he went down so he was just fucked basically they interview the doctor here this fucking doctor manual they got a hold of him

yeah dick shapp or jeremy shapp here talked to him uh this doctor says quote he looked okay and then i remarked to my friends looks like he's gonna be all right you're a hell of a doctor you're going on tv saying there was a man in a coma and i turned to everyone and goes well he looks fine that's your fucking excuse i'm completely incompetent fuck man so then uh without any sort of cat scan or x-ray nope he's like looks good looks fine he's fine everybody waves him off all right we're going out to dinner uh greg's wife page's wife patricia says oh yeah great guy greg was lying in a coma and he said he's fine yeah uh so it's fucking crazy man he's uh's a mediocre. The doctor said, quote, the most I thought was this guy might have had a concussion.

Wow. Dale says, quote, I destroyed a guy's life. And, you know, I feel like a piece of crap. You know what I mean? I don't want to do this anymore. That was his thing on that. His his fiance said that it wasn't his fault. Tells Dale it's not his fault.

It's not his fault. It says it could have happened to anybody. Dale says, quote, I had such low self-esteem about myself and I hated myself so much I just wished I was dead. That was how he thought after that fight. I would, too. I would, too. And drugs and drugs and violent outbursts he's got. But he's still fighting because he needs to make a living.

July 27, 2001, at the Soaring Eagle Casino in Mount Pleasant, he fights Michael Moore. Michael Moore, you know, I'm sure. He got knocked out by George Foreman when George Foreman made his comeback in the 90s and he was an old man. Moore beat the shit out of him for a whole fight. And in the last round, fucking Foreman hit him with a one-two and knocked him out and won the heavyweight championship. Moore. Yeah, Michael Moore.

He's a former heavyweight champion. Not the Bowling for Columbine guy. No, no, no. Not Michael Moore. Michael Moore coming in is 41-2. And one of those losses was to fucking George Foreman for the world heavyweight title. So he's a really good fighter. Good fighter.

And Dale's going to fight him? Dale's going to fight him. And this guy is 52-4-1 in his career total. But 41-2 coming into this fight. So he's a real... I've seen 10 fights of Michael Moore. He's a really good fighter. This goes,

this is a weird drug. It only goes five and there's some sort of medical thing and they stop it. I don't know exactly what happened, but it goes five rounds

and it turns out to be a draw. They call it a draw after five rounds. It's a 22, four and one for him now. So that was his big chance.

Who was the victim of the medical thing? I don't know what it was. It was some sort of, I don't know if it was like a knee injury or it wasn't a fighting injury it was some one of those types of things turf tower somebody had something and they had to call it off and they called it a draw october 13th 2001 at caesar's tahoe and state line oh boy over there in the state line state line california nevada there oh okay that's state line uh he fights talmadge two guns griffiths which is a fucking mormon talmadge two guns griffiths he's a black guy he's oh is he he might be a mormon i don't know talmadge is like a that's

a super mormon isn't talmadge i think it's an old biblical name it sounds like yeah uh 20 he's 20 wins one loss and two draws coming in ends up 24 8 and 3 for his career this goes all 10 rounds and it's a draw so two draws in a row two draws 22 4 and 2 this brings us to january 12 2002 at the flamingo hotel in laughlin shithole god laughlin's awful. Not even the Flamingo in Vegas? Nope. Loughlin. Fuck. Bad Vegas. Bad Vegas. Bad Vegas. He fights Talmadge again. Oh, my God.

Again. This time it goes all 10 again. Good grief. This time, though, they have a decision, and it's Talmadge. Yeah. Dale loses, bringing him to 22-5-2. May 25, 2002, at the Hilton Hotel, he fights DeVarill Touch of Sleep Williamson. Touch of Sleep.

Touch of Sleep. I don't know. He's 15-1 coming in, so he's touching people to sleep. He's 27-8 in the end for himself as a career. This is a TKO in round three. Dale loses. So he got put to sleep. There's a Touch of Sleep right there.

It's the first time I've seen Dale get knocked out. Yeah. But TKO. He didn't get knocked out. It got stopped. That's 22-6- and two so now his record's not sounding so impressive anymore three in a row are bad fights they're bad fights he's fighting good fighters and not fighting them well uh august 1st 2002 i found a uh this i had to dig deep for i found a bankruptcy filing for him dale files chapter seven 7 bankruptcy, which I looked up,

and that's when you have a lot of creditors, and it allows you to kind of get out of a lot of your debt and keep a lot of your shit. Really? Basically, yeah. It's a Chapter 7. It's for individuals, and there's a lot of parameters into how you can claim it.

I'm not a bankruptcy attorney, as I'm not a journalist. It's the business chapter 11 for individuals. Sort of, I guess. I'm not a... Similar. In addition to things that we're not. Journalists, doctors, lawyers, anything like that.

Tax lawyers. Tax attorneys, definitely on that list, I will say here. But that's what it sounds like. Because chapter 11 is kind of similar where you keep your assets but like- Yeah. Absolve yourself of debt. Yeah. It's a Trump fucking chapter.

Yeah, it's one of those. That's chapter Trump. Yeah, chapter Trump. Chapter fucking losing your shit. This would be poor Trump. This is chapter poor Trump. That's August 1st, 2002. So he's got a lot going on right now.

He's lost a bunch of fights in a row, and his head's not in them. We heard. His fucking head is not in this. He fought Greg, and he said himself he was gun-shy, and you can't be like that fighting guys who are 15-1 and fighting good fighters. It's like a fighter pilot being like, I'm not going to shoot against that plane. What if it crashes?

What if I can't go through there? What if I can't make it? Well, guess what? You're not going to make it now. It's one of those things. It's him or you, you dipshit. It's the walking on the board that we talked about. It's 25 feet on the floor or on the ceiling, but either way, it's the same board. We're going to fall off up there because you're going to think about it.

He's in his fucking head. So he's having a bad run and he files bankruptcy too. So he's feeling like absolute dog shit. So now 10 days later, that was August 1st, 2002. August 10th, 2002, at this point, he's also in a lot of lot of pain he said from getting hit a lot he's taking a lot of painkillers pills dale's taking pills he's taking roids like a motherfucker uh very angry uh he said he's getting in fights like out in bars and shit like anybody looking for fights and not a guy you want to fight in a bar in the ring if you're fucking 20 to 20 you know 25 and 2 you

might be able to beat him but if you're in a a bar, he's going to fuck you up, period. He's also using that. He's using steroids and pills for the pain and all that. And then for personal enjoyment, he's using cocaine and alcohol. So he's got a cocaine, alcohol, painkiller, a little cocktail going on, which is a that's a nice one. If you're going to just you're just looking to get high here and he's hanging out with a lifelong friend a kid named frank lee branham uh this is uh he's known this guy all his life uh from the same area they grew up kind of together uh frank from what i understand he's i mean these they're they're so young these people

too they're 25 years old or some shit but they have have, like, Frank's, I think, 23. And he's got some legal issues. It's all, like, all drug shit. He's got marijuana sales or possession or shit like that. Basically, Frank, we'll talk about for a sec. He's the youngest of three kids. Basically, he likes his dirt bikes and shit like that as a kid as a kid his parents got a divorce uh uh he would you know saw his dad on the weekends and that sort of thing uh he he ended up having like a foster sister that

they said he was very loving to and brought her and you know didn't treat her like an outsider didn't molest her either they were the same age i was leaning there going what you don't know apparently like you know wasn't like jealous and like he get you know why why why are they she this shawl should be mine like he wasn't shit like that he was a very nice kid his family liked him but uh you know he had some other he had problems basically that sort of thing uh he called they always said even as he grew into an adult he'd call his mom every day and shit like that like he's a decent kid he's got a fiance by the time he's in his 20s uh he's been going out with a girl since they were 12 oh my god they've been

together since they were 12 a girl named brandy and they have a they have wedding plans they have a she has a ring and then they she had bought the dress and the whole deal like they're going to get married and the whole deal. Frank also finished a year in prison earlier this year for marijuana possession. The felony count. Bullshit. He's in Kentucky and they banged him for a stupid weed charge. He's very close friends with Dale, though. And that night of August 10th, he left his house with Dale to go look at some floor tile.

I don't understand why. Why is Dale tiling anything? I don't know why, who's tiling what, or why, but apparently they're looking to tile. Apparently here. Frank never comes home that night is the problem. Uh-oh. So his family looks for him for days. They don't know where the

fuck he is they call dale because they know dale had known him his whole life yeah hey did you have you seen him since there uh dale said he dropped frank off at a taco bell the same night so we went and looked at tile did some shit he said drop me off the taco bell i got shit to the other shit to do because i'm going over here so all right cool have a good one uh that was it yeah have a good one see you later uh police interview crow saying have you seen him uh interview dale and dale said i have no fucking idea no i dropped him off the taco bell let me know if you see him he's my buddy you know whatever uh everybody they looked for him everywhere no one could find him oh no unlike frank to disappear like i said he calls his mom every day everybody everybody you know he's kind of reliable that way

he doesn't disappear for long periods of time especially year in prison except for that year but you knew where he was at least uh uh problem is this time he's gone for 43 days so there's starting to be a problem at this point uh it's at this point on september 22nd 2002 uh some skateboarders are behind a Sam's Club, and they look into a dumpster, and they find skeletal remains. They've been in there? He's been in a dumpster for 43 days. The trash guy is lazy as shit around there.

Especially, this was from August to September. You know how fucking hot it is in Kentucky? That shit stunk. I get that Kentucky probably doesn't smell great anyway but that's a corpse man come on uh his when they found him his what was left of him only weighed 23 pounds that's how that's how much he had decomposed uh which is fucking crazy and the police couldn't give the family any information on any uh to the any of this information because they didn't want to disclose the evidence they had because they needed they were trying to find this out yeah uh yeah they said uh wow uh

fucking unbelievable man they basically what ends up happening is uh they dale was out with frank and apparently uh frank from what dale says later on, Frank, they got an argument and Frank threatened to kill his son, which I don't know if I don't know if this kid, from what I've seen, is going to take Dale, who's a tough son of a bitch and be like, I'll kill your fucking son. Yeah, probably not the smartest thing to do. Or was it like, let's go to Taco Bell. I could use a chula. Yeah. Chulapas are disgusting. Get a Gordillo.

That's what I mean. How dare you? I'll kill your fucking kid. I'll kill your kid. Apparently, Dale lost it and started punching him yeah and the way dale says he just kept punching him and punching him and punching him dale says quote one of the blows hit his throat i repeatedly hit him and he couldn't breathe i know i took it too far and i just couldn't stop it's not an easy story to tell he beat a man to death he beat his lifelong friend to death as a matter of fact none of those pillows none of that nothing just

with his fist beat him till he's in his throat and he'll just beat him until he's fucking dead uh now uh he's 23 years old frank branham and he's dead now obviously and he's gone and uh by the way that what i just told you that doesn't happen now he doesn't say that now because he doesn't get caught for this shit right away let's let it go for a little while he didn't tell anybody about it yeah he didn't say shit uh when they found his when frank's body was found in the trash bin he denied everything the cops talked to him again he said oh my god that's terrible wow somebody must have that's awful i'll you tell me the son of a bitch that did that to him and i'll beat their head in i'll fucking punch him in the throat until they fucking die i'll give him

the sids wow so it's around this exact same time that crow's new trainer uh suggested that he meet with page and his family greg page who he nearly killed in the ring uh meet with them and try to try to clear this out of his head, basically. And he did. He ended up meeting with Greg Page. And apparently, he said Greg Page's family welcomed him with open arms. Oh, God. He said seeing Page paralyzed and bedridden was hard on him.

Greg said, quote, I walked in and I kind of teared up. This is what Dale said about Greg. Quote, I walked in and I kind of teared up because I didn't realize how hard things were on Greg. He couldn't do anything from the neck down. You know who else can't do anything? Not at all. From the neck up, down, side, right, left. You name it.

From the scalp down. He's a mess. Pretty much scalp to toe. He's pretty fucked here. He ends up, they become super close. Greg and Dale. He calls his wife, Mama Paige, all the time. Patricia Paige says about Dale, quote, he's a wonderful kid and he has a great heart. My family loves him. My kids love him. She said, Greg said, Dale, look, we both went

into the ring to do a job that night. It could have just as easily been you that got hurt. He said, God has a purpose for all that is happening, which he takes a good approach to because it's not Dale's fault that he got hurt. I mean, that could if he hit Dale enough and then medical, it wasn't Dale's fault. There was no medical attention. That was the problem there. A fight's a fight. I mean, he just fought the guy.

He didn't try to kill him. He didn't want to hurt him. Well, he tried to kill Frank, but he didn't try to kill Greg. He says, quote, I felt guilty. It felt like I took a person's life from him. He said that, by the way, publicly in a newspaper article less than a month after Frank's body had been found. Oh, my God. So less than two months after he killed a close friend of his, he said, I felt like I took a person's life from him.

I can't do that. I feel terrible about myself Wow Still boxing by the way October 19th 2002 Less than two months after he killed a man Arenas boxing gym In St. Pete Florida

Fights Tyrone Mew Mewks I don't know M-U-E-X I'm going to call him Mew Sounds French Colbert Mew, Mewks, I don't know, M-U-E-X, I'm going to call him Mew. Yeah, sounds French. Sure. Mo. Colbert. Could be Mo.

Mo, great. Eight, 14, and three coming in, 10, 27, and four for his career. Dale knocks him out in the first round. Wow. First round TKO. A little murder gets your mojo back. Gets you going. And meet you with Greg Page.

It cleared his head, and murdering his friend. Do you think do you think meeting with greg was his absolving himself of murder that's exactly what he did right i feel like in his mind the murder was a part of that yeah that was all lumped into one thing so he just he just once yeah i mean he repented and now he feels like now he's good back today back to one now i'm i'm the grossest i now. This is the grossest I'm good now ever. This is the worst I'm good now ever. I've killed a man, and I've absolved myself of the guilt of almost killing another.

I'm good now. Unbelievable. Yeah. He's back at the casino here fighting Bradley 1, 735 and 3 coming in, 743 and 3 careers. 1? W-O-N? 1, like the number. O-N-E. 743 and three careers. One? W-O-N? One, like the number. O-N-E.

O-N-E. Okay. He wins by unanimous decision, Dale does. So he's 24, six and two. Look at that. Now, December 2002 is where we talk about Greg again quick. Greg Page, at that point, is broke, has medical bills that exceed over $300,000. at that point, is broke, has medical bills that exceed over $300,000.

His friends had an auction for him and shit, but he didn't raise it all. Dale Crow went to the gym. He fought a benefit thing, an exhibition benefit for Greg. He said, Crow says, quote, here Greg is paralyzed. I can raise enough attention for him you know i can get some donations to help him and his family i don't fight unless greg is in my corner what the you killed a guy like six months ago what about that family uh crow says for those who don't know i'm doing this fight for greg page my buddy here i was ready to quit boxing four months ago and his friendship to me has given me more than money can buy so i just i'm donating this to him and i'm just asking friends family and whoever on your way

out any contributions to greg would be greatly appreciated i'll put on a good show for you guys that's what he said what a big heart there's a dead man that no one's talking about unbelievable uh yeah he fights now this isn't a benefit here march 7 2003 city center pavilion in reno for the wbc world for wbc youth world heavyweight title why is he fighting in kids i have no idea he's not a youth i don't know if this is just under 30 or what here he fights a good fighter here samuel the nigerian nightmare peter you can't do that you can't you're not christian akoya i'm sorry you absolutely ever ever do that no he're not Christian Akoye. I'm sorry. You don't get to ever, ever, ever do that. No, he's a famous fighter, this guy, but he's

not more famous than number 35 on the Chiefs. Sorry, motherfucker. No, with those big shoulder pads coming at you. This guy was like seven feet wide. Oh, he was amazing. This guy is 12-0 coming in. Now Dale's the journeyman fight in the up-and-comer.

This guy's 36-6 for his career, and he knocks Dale out in four rounds. So it's a TKO in four. He's a good fighter. He's a nightmare. He's a nightmare. Just call yourself the nightmare. The nightmare, yeah. He's from Nigeria, but whatever.

Still, you find something else. The Nigerian something. I don't know. Fucking night-night man. Night-night guy. Just something else. Anything with that. You don't get to take somebody that was so prolific at their position.

Fuck no. He was an athlete, too. He was goddamn great, too. So he's 24-7-2, Dale is. June 20th, 2003 at the Roxy Theater in Atlanta. He fights Ramon the Panther Hayes. That's pretty good. That's a pretty fucking cool name. Although he's 9'16 and 1' coming in.

You can't have, if you're under 500, you can't have a nickname. I'm sorry. Your nickname's much cooler than your record. Yeah, and he holds that percentage out for his career because he ends up 1532 and 1. So he just kind of doubles it up there. Dale loses a unanimous decision to this guy in eight rounds so now he's 24 8 and 2 not going well it's getting worse uh may 1st 2004 at the marriott downtown in greensboro south carolina yike fighting casey casey is his name casey except with a fucking

n before the y no idea caseydale, whose nickname is KC. I don't, I guess KC, but he's your Kasiny, and there's no K or fuck you. Okay, never mind. Fucking stupid. Just change your name legally to KC Treesdale. That's it. And Treesdale's a shit name.

Fuck yeah, it is. This guy's 951 and two coming in. Exactly what I expect from a Kasiny. Doesn't matter, it is. This guy's 9-51-2 coming in. Exactly what I expect from a Kasen-y. Doesn't matter, Kasen-y. Dale knocks him out in three rounds to TKO. 25-8-2 for Dale. Next fight, again at the Marriott downtown in July of 2004. Just a couple of months later here, he fights Keith Ross, who is 0-9 coming in.

For his career, he's oh and 11 yeah it's always 11 they're like 10 i don't know give it one more shot no more than 10 i've lost more than 10 in a row uh this is a first round knockout uh 26 8 and 2 now uh january 20 or january 8 2005 at the venue in greensboro he fights cornelius Ellis, who sounds like a 75-year-old man. Yeah. He's seven. Blues guitarist. Blues guitarist.

Yeah. He's seven and nine coming in, so not a great fighter. And this goes all six and turns out to be a draw. So 26, eight, and three for Dale. April 29th, 2005, in New Zealand, he fights Shane Weijon, who's 6-10 coming in again. He wins a decision in six, Dale does. So he's 27-8-3 with 17 knockouts, and that is the last fight of his career. Because on February 18, 2006, a witness comes forward with information that dale had told them that only

the murderer knew apparently dale got drunk one night oh boy in a bar and started talking to his buddy about guilt and this and that and i fucking killed a guy and i don't know if he thought well that was three years ago so that four years ago that might as well be you know that's clearly over well nope he ended up getting uh he ended up uh this person ended up reporting this to the police and it was information that the way he died shit that they didn't release that only this guy could possibly know yeah because i mean it wasn't like the papers knew what happened to him he was 23 pounds of skeleton at that point was this in this was in kentucky isn't kentucky how fucked is that police force that they can't

figure out cause of death or or they can they just wouldn't release it to the public that was the thing they wouldn't release anything sitting on it waiting for the guy to just talk they need yeah they were waiting because they didn't want people coming they didn't want false information they they always hide a bunch of the cops always hide a few details yeah on purpose i'm just i'm bummed that it took them to a confession to get a break in this. They even give press alternate details to see if someone comes and tries to say that they know they're full of shit. That's the way they do it.

That family is so lucky to have any kind of closure just based on 43 days of him being missing. And luckily, somebody found him wasn't empty. Yeah. Luckily, there were shitty fucking company, shitty sanitation company. And then on top of that, somebody this guy got drunk enough to finally tell somebody about it in years and then this person had the human whatever to turn him in now he's uh he's outside the hamilton county courthouse he dale had a misdemeanor something for some shit that i can't find yeah but he had

a misdemeanor charge and uh basically he comes out of the courthouse and gets arrested for murder good uh he's indicted for murder of frank branham he faces charges of aggravated murder murder and aggravated robbery also uh because he said he stole shit from him uh it's not terrific here uh the relatives here uh the frank's relatives the victim said that uh they last saw him with crow obviously here her sister his sister said that they were always good friends and he doesn't understand it uh crow is being held on a 1.6 million dollar bond here he most certainly doesn't fucking have that uh the crow's uh car who is uh uh branham's sister said quote i was so

happy i was about to explode yeah which is fucking crazy uh so now he's stuck in jail yeah 1.6 million he ain't going fucking nowhere the weird thing is though it's fucking kentucky which is uh the prison system there is a little bit different and uh while he's in jail, he has a lot of problems with like the jail itself is fucked up. Like there's the infrastructure problems. Right. So there's one time he's sitting there. It's really bad. His toilet's really clogged up.

His toilet's really clogged up. And he said, someone's coming to fix it. And a guy knocks on his door. And it's Paul Calhhoun shit pipe enthusiast and he says i'm so impressed with how we got here how is it you come to arrive here guy i don't fucking understand it you know what i mean look at your shit pipes are clogged the shit the your life pipes are so fucking clogged right now i don't got a snake long enough i can't even jam it in here i want to clean i want to clean your shit

pipes and smack your wife i really want to first of all you're divorced so i can't do that i got nothing here for you uh you're killing your friends i don't know what the fuck's going on here honestly i'd rather you live in backed up shit. Impacted shit is a better state of affairs for you. And for me to say that, that's something because I am an enthusiastic person when it comes to shit. I'll blow that shit right out of there. I take it as a personal challenge, kind of like a boxing match or a friend that you want to leave in a dumpster. Apparently, in your case, I don't really fucking like you.

You know what? You live with your shit guy. How's that? Fuck you. Have a good one. Poof. And in a puff of shit don't really fucking like you. You know what? You live with your shit, guy. How's that? Fuck you. Have a good one. Poof. And in a puff of shit and pipes, he's gone. And Dale's taking swings at the air.

He doesn't understand what's happening. Paul, you think you're impressed and dumbfounded with how we got here. I am just impressed how you got here. James ran a mile to bring you here today. That was pretty impressive. I had to work that one hard. I had to work that one hard. That was a tough one.

I had to really get... You think you're... I had to make a right turn. ...blown away of how this guy got in jail. I had to, man. Things happen. So they tell Dale of the evidence they have against him. They have a pretty fucking strong case because all the shit he told that guy is all the details of the case.

So the witness. So he's pretty fucked. And they convince him to take a plea. He takes a plea for 20 years. And we'll talk about, well, that's his ideal at first. And then he's got to be formally sentenced. Uh, he says, quote, I tapped out done. He's like, I was done and I was fucked.

Uh, he's charged with aggravated, aggravated murder and aggravated robbery. Uh, and they give him a, you sir may fuck off. Certainly, uh, nine years for manslaughter, five years for robbery and six years for extortion. Apparently he was extorting people for money over the phone while in jail. What? While in jail for murder, he was using the fucking jail phone to try to extort money out of people to try to make bail or do whatever or have a better time in jail. I don't know what the fuck he was doing.

So that was an extra six years. better time in jail or i don't know what the fuck he was doing so that was an extra six years so he got 14 for the actual killing yeah and then six more for phone extortion in jail all together 20 straight years in jail and he has to do all 20 that's great he's doing 20 goes to the warren correctional facility 2008 marries a woman named holly in prison somebody fucking can't just they love him unbelievable uh she says quote this fight this tragedy that happened because of that boxing match max match it tore my husband's whole life completely up i don't think he'd be sitting here where he is now if that night hadn't occurred maybe not maybe still can't kill people right yeah he went on a bad run roids drugs depression drugs, depression, bankruptcy, killing. Met Greg, came out of it.

But you can't kill people. Everything else is fine, minus the killing. We'll forgive anything else. Unbelievable. He's out there advocating for Greg and trying to help him after he had killed a man. After he had killed a man. I just felt so guilty that I hurt this person. And now he's in prison.

You killed another guy. Eating a lot of crow, James. Eating some crow. I won't even, I'm not even mad at you for that one because he deserved it. He's inmate number 519303 at the Warren Correctional Facility. Fucked up hard as I found a link for his. The story's not over. One more second here. But he's I found a link for his like, you know, pen pal inmate profile. But it had since been taken down. I bet his wife made him take it down. She's like, that's how you found me.

So, yeah, he's scheduled to be released in twenty twenty here. In 2009, he says that prison saved his life. He says that it pulled him out of a seedy boxing scene, got him off drugs. And he said that he started writing letters to the people he wronged, including Branham's family. He is the most I'm good now in his fucking head that I don't believe him at all. Not at all. He says, quote, I really think if this hadn't happened, me coming to prison, I'd be dead of an overdose or somebody doing something to me. Or he'd kill many more people. He says that he has a sense of peace about his turbulent life.

He speaks lovingly about his wife and he loves the page family. He said he's determined to show his son, Mason, that you can turn around a bad situation. He says, what do you say? Let's give them an in their own words about his fucking his wisdom that he's found through prison. And then let's see how he tries to dispense that wisdom. He says in their own words, quote, all that experience you get, the more drama you go through.

It's just like eventually you learn to slip punches. You absorb some of the pain. Your defense becomes pretty good to all of the negativity around you. He's try to get on a speaking circuit that's what in their own words was made for that self-serving horse shit right there uh april 27 2009 greg page dies oh great fucking fantastic so there's two i was just about to say how much oh wait no not greg no greg is now no oh no i knew i was like going to, I'll let you celebrate for a minute. Jimmy, stop celebrating. Calm down.

The wrong guy, you're so. The wrong guy died. No. Poor Greg Page dies. His death was consistent with positional asphyxia and inability to breathe because of body position. What? That's adult SIDS. Yeah, it's.

Jimmy, why do you think I brought SIDS up? Fuck you take me for. the sads yeah he said uh the doctor said quote he had a hospital bed at home and he slid out which he had done before his head was lodged between the rail and the bed and he couldn't breathe and he died and he couldn't get himself out of it because he was paralyzed like oh jesus this poor fucking man do you think he was alert and knew it i he yeah oh my god or he might have been sleeping and and done then he probably would have woke up and couldn't couldn't recover couldn't do anything and couldn't breathe and was probably scared shitless and fucking died by himself in a hospital bed that's horrible i i that's fucking terror i feel so bad for that guy, but not nearly as bad.

You are really surprised. No more shows. Unless we're exhausted and we get punchy. Not as bad as I feel for Dale Crow, an ESL teacher. English is a second language teacher at link atreyu in kazakhstan oh my god dale crowe chief risk officer he that's appropriate title at commonwealth bank and trust company in louisville kentucky uh so same area even that's i'm not

trusting him with shit no uh dale crowe well not that guy's fine but just the name uh pc on is technician at procter and gamble uh and lima ohio so fucking same state and dale crow crane up at cowboy cowboy crane in flagstaff arizona oil and energy uh he does heavy rigging and crane rigging and steel erection and he's a fucking man this guy does a bunch yeah responsible for two fucking lives being snuck out that too that too education is listed as hard knocks oh jesus he's one of those guys summary is over 30 years in the construction industry with a strong emphasis on crane and rigging and heavy lift operations he should pull that hard knocks right the fuck out of him. Yeah, that's that really, really stupid.

That leans. That's what I mean. It sounds like that's why I feel bad for Dale is scheduled to be released February 11th, 2026 on June 23rd, 2016. He released a book because we all need to hear from him. He's Mr. Fucking. He's like a he's like a fucking yoga guy now.

Almost. He's Mr. Everything. Peace and motivation. And, Peace, and Motivation. It's called The Bully Within, A Journey of Consciousness. That's what he wrote. The Murderer Within. On Amazon, it's got four out of five stars with 23 customer reviews. Now, I wished it was on Kindle because I would have skimmed it a little bit,

but I got a pdf of it it doesn't matter it's a piece of shit um 10 used from 2101 by the way 21 dollars in american u.s dollars let's give you the synopsis the breakdown uh quote my name is dale crow and i want to introduce you to the bully within me dale crow the boxer a little more than 16 years ago i was an up-and-coming cruiserweight boxer with a record of 15-0. I wasn't Mike Tyson, not even close, but many people around me believed that with serious commitment on my part, I could have been a genuine contender.

Well, I failed. I didn't fail because I wasn't good enough, but because I believed I wasn't good enough. This is all motivational horseshit. Dale, the boxer, told me that I wasn't good enough. Also, other boxers like Michael Moore pounded your face in because they were better. is all motivational horseshit uh dale the boxer told me that i wasn't good enough also other boxers like michael moore pounded your face in because they were better he said that i went told me i wasn't good enough and i believed him today in addition to being called dale crow i'm also known as inmate 519 303 but dale crow doesn't have much to do with the terrible things i did or

the fame i won nevertheless this is my story. He's exactly responsible. Did he just absolve himself? He just absolved himself. He just washed his hands of murdering a man. Oh, absolutely. That's what this whole thing is about. It's like, that was me. Now I'm a new person. That guy's gone. So I'm cool. Just high five me. I'm straight. Reviews here. I found a couple here. One is a great review surprised how quickly i read this book because i simply couldn't put it down you never know the struggles people live with inside kudos to dale for being so open and revealing in this book highly recommended and four people found it helpful on amazon that's one review that's positive and there's a lot of those there's a few negatives i like those better you're gonna love to love this one the most. This is from his dad.

His own father. His own father. Quote, this is zero out of five stars. He rated his son's book. Oh, boy. The title of the review is, I love my son, but I wake up in the morning. That's what it says.

And he bought it in the Kindle edition too. He didn't even spend the extra couple bucks on paperback. He says, and I quote, this book is filled with half truth and half fiction. You see, I am the boy's father and have first-hand knowledge of the events involving my son and myself. This book is based more on self-pity than on truth and facts.

I love my son, but I wake up in the morning. I'm not ashamed of what I see, and although I'm not a prince, I consider myself a man. My son needs to ask himself the same. By the way, the rest of this is in capital letters. The first part wasn't. He has come a long way during the difficult time, and I am very proud of him to say the least. His actions are backed up with twisted encounters and made-up events along with the author that wrote this book.

Even the author of this book is living a lie as well as a fairy tale. I have done many wrongs in my life that I am not proud of, but I have spent 30 years of my life paying for it. Anything I say, I can back up in black and white to refute any allegations brought forth in this book of fiction, exclamation point. Fuck my kid. Murder and cocksucker. By the way, buy my book at this link. I want his book. I want his book. Now, there's another one who doesn't know him, but I love their review it is zero out of five stars title is piece of crap and it says my comments have been removed

twice because they don't want you to know the truth about this man he's a cold-blooded killer plain and simple yeah so he doesn't like him so he releases another book january 30th 2017 the published author twice called grab the bull by the horns meditations from inside it's called it's a paper bag as i mean this is uh one customer review so it's not as much here punch the friend in the punch the friend in the throat uh brand new for 1142 might as well give a synopsis from him uh grab the bull by the horns is a series of my personal meditations from prisons from prison while some of the horns is a series of my personal meditations from prisons from prison. While some of the meditations might seem simplistic to some and complex to others,

I wanted to share with you a few of the beliefs and practices that have changed my life. Fuck you. This he says, now that I have this knowledge of self, I will not stop until I reach the highest state of enlightenment. You killed a guy. You fucked it up. This is my birthright. That is your birthright. It is no small task to unwind 40 years of the conditioning that I am Dale Crow. It was who my parents told me I was. It was what society made me believe that I was. It was what the world I had conditioned myself to see. But I am here to say that I was misinformed. I'm not simply this finite being who lives and one day will die. I am an expression of this one self and every person with whom I come in contact with is an expression of that same self. It all begins with our thoughts.

If our thoughts are for revenge, we will only see revenge turned back on us somewhere down the road. We cannot kill hatred with hatred. It can only reappear some other place again and again until everything is gone, including you. He's been hitting the head a lot. And Dale has read the secret fuck yeah it's just like some buddhist shit he's talking about here he just talked about karma for two seconds some fucking hindu shit now too uh can't get enough uh go ahead and buy his books if you really want to fucking bang your head against the wall yeah fuck him uh also he's on twitter oh boy he's on twitter uh dale crow it's at uh never a dale crow never a dale crow and it says the enlightenment of former up-and-coming

cruiserweight boxer dale crow that's his title on twitter he has four tweets which are one that just says text uh one that says you can get the kindle version here with an amazon link to it that is no longer active because there's no longer a kindle version and one uh announcing the uh the sale of his book being available and then the fourth suite is not here and he has 105 he's following 141 people he has 20 followers so crushing it dale crushing it dale And that is Dale Crow. That's a weird story. Like that is unbelievable. What a weird fucking story, right? That is that's the I'm that's our best story.

It's one that is an amazing story. One of the weirder goddamn stories we've ever come across. It's vile. It's it's a lot of it's yeah. It's what we're about. Zero. What's the word? Compassion. Zero. He's just not taking any any. That's what we're about. Zero, what's the word? Compassion, zero.

He's just not taking any responsibility for it. That's what it is. He's ducking all responsibility. He's ducking all. He's just going, that happened. Accountability. Yeah, accountability. He said, that happened in a dark period, and then I came out of it, and I'm fine now, so

that's just all then, and I don't, blah, blah, blah, blah, I can't hear you. That happened then, and this is now, and I'm just going to act like everything's fine. He's going to do 20 years. Get out. And he's going to do a speaking circuit. And it's just going to be all cliche. Or shit. And someone's going to pay him for it.

They're going to go. He spent years in prison. Doesn't he seem so well adjusted now? He's he was a killer. Can you believe that? He still is. Yeah. They're going to have him talk to young boxers and they're going to do all that shit and

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you want to hear your name for this week and we'll double we'll figure it out how to get you in there we will get you in there because we god damn it we appreciate you so so fucking much but we appreciate you so much we really really wanted to get you a show this week we are going to work our balls yeah back to you guys we're going to give you two small town murders this week we were on the road and ordered a computer we got everything literally this is this is everything to us it was hard everything to you yeah and we want to make sure that it's worth it we had sarah with a terribly hurt back lugging a fucking iMac around a mall to get it out to seriously man down the stairs got it set up for us thank you sarah because we wouldn't have been able to do this show on time if it wasn't for her helping us out with

that so thank you because i got home too late from the airport and cousin shannon coming through yes thank you yes jimmy's cousin shannon apple she she got us a discount that we needed so thank you yeah because these are expensive but this won't fuck up like our other piece of shit did this will stay on the internet so jimmy what if these people are staying on the internet they want to find a guy like you how might they do it on the internet at wisman socks wh is man socks on twitter instagram and snapchat and i appreciate it i've got to get back to you guys i got a ton of yeah we'll get on this weekend was bananas it was too much really catch up with you about your bananas weekend they can find me at jimmy p is funny or uh that's on twitter and stuff and i'm gonna be doing instagram here because i have a

profile it's my name's copy and paste my name from the show description james petrogallo uh because i finally at james petrogallo on twitter i actually finally got my fucking name i beat that lawyer in pittsburgh for once he got beat me to twitter so i beat him to instagram i want to just at dick's pittsburgh lawyer and apparently there are too many wismans and some dude has it and bastard i think he doesn't use it much but he's got a lot of followers. Oh, what a bastard. Well, follow us there. Come see us. Do all that. Follow the show and keep coming back week after week because we will not going anywhere. Crime and sports. It's contractually obligated. And we will tell you, we just signed up for another year starting in

January. Another 52 episodes for next year of crime and sports to the network. So we will tell you we just signed up for another year starting in January another 52 episodes for next year of Crime and Sports for the network so we will be bringing you 52 episodes of Crime and Sports next year we literally have to

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