Crime in Sports - #147 - Duct Tape, Steroids & Carpet Jesus - The Unsettledness of Jeremy "The Scorpion" Jackson

Episode Date: January 29, 2019

This week, we duck a left hook of crazy, with a man who was right at the cusp of something big, until he let his demons take the wheel. He fought his way out of nowhere to get the attention of the UFC, only to be kicked off a reality show for not following the rules. He would continue down that path, with drugs, alcohol, and sleeping in his trunk. He somehow got another chance, but blew it even bigger with a horrific act of violence! He's a fun one! Get duct taped to a tree, take a carpet installer's word on the right path to lead, and get caught doing something reprehensible with Jeremy "The Scorpion" Jackson!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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story they always offer a good story because it's usually something where somebody does something and we go why the hell did he do that brain damage that's why oh yeah i forgot i forgot this guy's had his head bashed in since he was 12 that makes sense okay now i get it now that behavior now riddick bow kidnapping his family for no reason and driving them around that makes sense when you add in fucking brain damage in a suburban at knife point was that i believe so yeah alonzo spellman's standoff with the police or you know chris adams attacking people in on a plane trying to kill the pilot while the plane's in flight which is really a stupid move for all concern taking bullets to the chest that's what i mean these are all yeah not a lot of baseball players doing this shit we'll put it that way it's they usually give up before before it comes to that uh but we're

gonna do some mma tonight and uh we're gonna do one of a fairly unknown guy too which are always fun like we say we like the unknowns that's what pisses me off and it's hard because the the the listeners judging by we look at our numbers you guys listen more to people you've heard of. It's just the way it is. If we put out a wrestling episode, that's going to be a top listen to episode because everybody knows who they are. You don't even have to be a sports fan to have seen Scott Hall out there at some point or Jake the Snake Roberts. You know what I mean? Everybody's got a nephew or a brother.

Everybody's seen these people, yeah. Somebody that was certainly into it absolutely or tanya harding was on the mainstream news all the time so those were ones but when we get a guy like this this is where you find the nuggets of crazy and the nuggets of fun and then this is what this is the heart of crime and sports or stories like this these are the ones that i enjoy the most let's get right into it here with uh our our honoree of the week i guess we'll call him it's a guy named jeremy jackson yeah okay he's an mma fighter you ever heard of this guy what's his nickname uh jeremy the scorpion jackson nope he has a little and he's got a little and it's a very small one too it's just a this little tiny scorpion tattoo on his left tit. And it's just this little...

Did he get it in Daytona? It's not even colored in. Just a little outline of a scorpion right there. Like, they call me the scorpion. That's awesome. So he got the smallest, least painful tattoo he could get from the guy. Just to feel like a badass? I don't even know if it was that or if he only had like 30 bucks.

And he's like, look, dude. You don't have to color it in. Okay, 30 bucks. Just draw a fucking scorpion. I don't even know if it was that or if he only had like 30 bucks. And he's like, look, dude, you don't have to color it in. Okay, 30 bucks. Just draw a fucking scorpion. I don't know. The size of a matchbook is fine. Whatever. Whatever you got.

Just draw it on my tit. It's fine. I don't care anymore. He should have got the sucker with one in it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just held it while he walked down the aisle, showed it to the camera. Lollipop with a scorpion in it.

People who don't know what that is if you go if you if you travel through the airport here in phoenix you'll see just stop at any of the little stores that sell water and shit and on the counter they will have lollipops with a fucking scorpion in them the impulse buy in every store is a scorpion it's an actual scorpion it's a fucking lollipop with a scorpion baked into it for some reason and you eat it and you take it to you know some place that doesn't you take it to new jersey and they go hey look at that fucking thing is a what's that a fucking scorpion you had a bug on your on your sucker you can't eat that

right it'll poison you right this thing's a poison to say here what the fuck people eat these things out there what the hell's going on what the fuck is going on in that place what's happening out west over here so uh this guy jeremy the scorpion jackson it's better than his real middle name which is rhea r-e-a like like like car like carla from cheers except without the h i was going with dia oh yeah yeah that's that's well you know that's depends on what your opinions are i like rhea perlman though so i won't call her diarrhea damn it her i think her and danny devito sound like a delightful couple I'd like to hang out with. I'm sure she's great.

Except if they stood on each other's shoulders, I'd still be taller than them. They're still not a person. That's the weird part. Maybe that's why they're together, so they can put a trench coat on and get into places as adults. Strip clubs, R-rated movies, whatever they need to do. They can just put a big trench coat on and a hat and go, how you doing? They are the little rascals.

Yeah, that's absolutely right. So this is Jeremy Raya Jackson, Jeremy the Scorpion Jackson, born September 19, 1982. Oh. Yeah, he's a younger guy. This is all recent. Yeah, this is all recent. He's born in Brawley, California.

I don't even know where that is. It's A-W-L-E-Y. Brawley. E-Y. Yeah. Oh, that is all recent. He's born in Brawley, California. I don't even know where that is. It's A-W-L-E-Y. Brawley. E-Y. Yeah. Oh, that's, wow. Appropriate, right? Not too bad, yeah.

I didn't even put that together until you just said it. Hey, Brawley, California. I've seen that sign before. He ended up, he lived in Imperial, though. Do you know where Imperial is? That's bad news. That is bad. That's shit.

That's the worst. I've gotten a speeding ticket there. Dude, this, okay. Because I wanted to fuck out. is bad news that is that's shit that's the worst i've gotten a speeding ticket dude this because i wanted to fuck out again people who if you don't know about scorpion lollipops i'll inform you about this too because this is another scorpion lollipop situation uh down in the southwest when you go between arizona and california right there and there on the border there's like yuma and imperial this is the worst armpitit taint this country has to offer. It is.

It's a hot, dusty... There's nothing there. No, nothing's there. It's hot. It's horrible. Carl's Jr. and a Jack in the Box and a Holiday Inn and a Hojo. And they don't even have what's normally on the menus, probably.

It's probably some weird airport variety of only half the menu because nobody wants to drive this shit down there and a classy place to stay is the red roof yeah that's the best the best they have to offer all the truckers stay there horrible all the truckers stay there places a shithole yeah the anywhere any of these border towns not not nice places they're all dirty dusty shitholes that are kind of like have some farms and then some very poor people that live there that want to get out.

It's one of those places where when you're driving on a freeway and you go, no shit, people live out here. That's the thing. You look off the freeway and you see a trailer park off the side of the freeway of just those with that bright sun and this reflective trailer roofs that shimmering. And you're like, people live here. People live here. And there's like a tatted do it in the car you're

like how the fuck do you live where do you shop right where's the grocery store jesus christ yeah like a tattered uh tarp that's like blowing in the wind oh always always and nobody everyone's got american flags but none of them have been put up in the last 23 years they're missing stripes and shit from being blown off in desert storms uh not the wars the actual storms in the desert it's a tattered fucking mess down there well that's where he grew up uh between mexico it's between the mexican border and yuma that'll make you fighting mad fuck me man i don't know yeah you'd think you'd just have you'd be hoping to be killed in a fight maybe someone will kill me and put me out of my goddamn misery.

At least I don't have to go home. Yeah, it's not a big area around there, too. There's not a ton of population around there. It's basically just you drive through. And you don't even drive through Imperial. You drive through Yuma. Imperial is just you have to actually go there on purpose. Right, you've got to get off the freeway and go.

Yeah, you have to go there on purpose. It's hot. Best way to, I can't describe to you the heat down there in this area of the country too this this makes phoenix look like a pussy area it's like a buck 20 in the summer yeah like a lot you really earn it earn it yeah you want to be there you gotta you gotta really put some effort in to survive absolutely that's the thing he it's brutal now uh jeremy's born when he was he was born, nobody notices that his ear canals are completely closed, and he's deaf. What?

He's got his closed ear canals. He can't hear shit. They didn't even notice? They didn't notice. No, but they don't notice that. Inside. Yeah, yeah. His ears weren't shut from the outside.

He stuck an ice pick in there. Should be good now. I popped through that skin. He should Yeah, yeah. His ears weren't like shut from the outside. I stuck an ice pick in there. Should be good now. I popped through that skin. He should be all right. How do you hold a kid and not go? His ears aren't done. Put him back. He ain't got no ear holes.

Put him back in, Doc. About 20 more minutes. 350. About 15, 20 more minutes. Just put him on in there. Let the oven warm up, though. Don't put it in before he's preheated. Yeah, this actually happened to my son as well really my son yeah he had to have his ear canals opened up too they were closed off how come i didn't know this yeah man it was a hard

thing and he didn't he's autistic also so that's a double whammy so he wasn't speaking yeah he didn't speak till he was four no kidding because yeah he couldn't hear and he was autistic too so that didn't help he was regressing that way and then he couldn't even. He didn't speak till he was four. No kidding. Because, yeah, he couldn't hear. And he was autistic, too. So that didn't help. He was regressing that way. And then he couldn't even hear anything. So he was just in his own fucking world. And they finally opened up his ear canal. They put him out for that.

I think so. Yeah. If I remember correctly. Yeah. Yeah. It was like Joey asking a shitload of questions. No, he was. Yeah.

Now he would be asking tons of questions. What are you doing over there? What's that? What are you doing over there? He would that? What are you doing over there? He would just kind of hang out and look around. I'm amazed. He was in his own world, man. It was brutal.

Honestly, it was scary and terrible. And yeah, so finally when they opened it up, and a lot like him, when he gets the ear canals open, everything is really loud now. So like Joey would always be like covering his ears. And like autistic kids generally don't like loud noises anyway and then you add that in so he was super sensitive to sound i want to commend you for not shooting one of those uh kid hears things for the first time videos good for you yeah no i am we were just happy that's all and we didn't keep that for

yourself that's your moment that's not our moment never thought to put that out there so it would be shared. I never think, maybe that's my problem. I never think to do shit like that. I'm always like, this is terrific. I'm never like, I wonder if I can benefit in the outside world from this. That never happens. How can I take advantage of my kid's fucking disability and issue that he's dealing with and me benefit from it?

And me benefit for attention. I can see if you need like Dr. Bill. So you got to go fund me or something. When it's just like, look at how excellent I am. I get happy. Look at my dad. I get people happy. That's cool. Good for him.

It's great. Yeah, it should be your own thing. Keep it to yourself. And that was my moment. Good for you. And he said, though, till he was five, that this is when they did the surgery with him, that before that, he was always in trouble because people would yell at him and he couldn't hear yeah so he didn't know what the hell they were saying and really didn't care and he wouldn't hear till the 20th time they said it too if

they're screaming in his face uh he said he never understood why he would get in trouble as a little kid and he never understood why everybody was mad at him and telling him he wasn't doing what he's supposed to do he didn't get it he said people were always yelling at me and shaking me like you know what what is wrong with you and i i totally fucking get it i tell you yeah i totally understand uh finally i guess his kindergarten teacher at the school there in imperial valley realized that he only responded when he could see someone's lips moving so he was learning how to read lips because you figure it out uh basically it's just you know evolution you'll figure out how to communicate i got a cousin that's deaf and i'm fucking blown away that he's that he does as well as he does it's incredible that to me is the most incredible

thing in the world well no blind is the most incredible him driving that's fucking insane that's that's i can't believe that well yeah you're not gonna hear a siren you're not gonna no you gotta look for you gotta be really fucking on on how many times have you hear a siren. You're not going to. No. You got to look for flashing lights. You got to be really fucking on the head on a swivel. Yeah. How many times have you heard a siren before you saw the lights? You look around for the lights, right? Especially in the daytime. You don't see lights at all.

I don't know how the fuck he makes them. Blind people amaze me the most. Honestly, I am amazed by that, that people can function, that they can do things. Every little thing would be terrifying if you couldn't see. Like for me. You've really got to trust some people. That's what I mean. Anybody that's helping you.

Yeah. This is a five? Is this a five? Is it really a five? Is my ass really clean? Right. Did I really not? I mean, how much?

You know what I mean? How much dog shit did I wipe off of that shoe? You have to. We wipe your ass. How would you monitor that situation? By feel? You don't fucking know. That's terrible.

And then what was it? I can't remember what comedian said it, but it was, I want to say it was Seinfeld who said it. It was on Seinfeld who goes, I would never be able to tell if there was bugs in my food. And that made me think, I go, wow, that'd be horrible. Yeah. You'd always be, everything you put in your mouth, you'd be saying, what is that? Is that a thing?

Is that an apple rot or was that a worm? Was that, what is it? What happened was i'd lose my fucking mind being blind deaf deaf would be terrible don't get me wrong i feel for anybody that's deaf don't worry they're not hearing this but that's true well somebody might be explaining it to them that's the thing you never know these guys are to read these guys hold on let me get a pen assholes crime and sports and then they can still tweet all right so fuck them they can uh yeah so uh yeah i i whatever deaf is but i i feel like honestly it would be a good break for a week or two just a break of you know i never heard you sorry just didn't hear it i don't know you take a good break from society for a couple of weeks i played that shit when i was married i'll tell you that yeah that's what i mean that's every married man is half deaf

i didn't hear you the first nine times you called me i thought i figure you gave it a shot that's why it was basically my ex-wife it was the same thing it was like well the first three times if it's that important she'll keep calling yeah maybe otherwise then she'll figure it out on her own and i don't have to talk to her so the worst is when they get to that ninth time then you go what and then they tell you some useless shit and you're like why did you call me so why did i have to god damn time why did i come from another room for that is that necessary that could have been done in a text message from the other side of the house you know you look fat in that jesus christ blind i'd be terrified yeah all the time oh with everything certainly every i wouldn't you don't

trust anybody with your eyesight that's what i mean i'd be jumpy imagine sitting in your house just every time the fridge kicked on you fuck was that okay who's here you're there you're there you're losing my fucking mind have those one of those sticks i'd just be swinging around all the time who's there breaking a lamp every week. Every goddamn week. So anyway, they had surgery that put tubes in his ears. My son had to have the tubes in his ears, and that allowed him to hear. But then everything for this kid was too loud for Jeremy. Everything was super loud and overblown. And if you can't hear at all then all of a sudden everything wow that's

gotta feel you know uh worse the world's assaulting you exactly and on top of that and this was my son's problem too was that you can't speak because you have never heard shit and you didn't speak anyway so now you have to learn to speak right at an at an older age which is difficult to do and it's at a normal volume. At a normal volume. That's the other thing. Yeah, so right away, he was a bad stutterer. Everything came out in stutters, which is tough.

Everything took forever for him to get out. And he was already in school, so it was hard for him. ready in school so it was hard for him uh at one point he said in the second grade he says that a teacher uh asked uh he couldn't say get a sentence out and the teacher said quote what are you retarded oh my god which not today i don't know if that's true uh it shouldn't be every shouldn't even back when that was an acceptable term to throw around a classroom you still teacher couldn't be like hey what are you, retarded? Because it's an open invitation for all the other kids to then call this kid retarded for the rest of time. The teacher said he was retarded.

He must be. That's horrible. So he said they all called him that, and they all called him stutter boy and everything. Whatever term they could use to pick on him about it, everybody did. Do you that was a stutterer oh god yeah really i didn't know anybody in school but i knew a dude in his adult life that got one from heroin oh really oh it'll happen from he inherited that his stutter wasn't just like stuttering the words it was uh he he said a phrase over and over and over again until he could get the whatever he was like it was heck of a that was so he said heck of a like 19 times before he'd get the what he's saying out that was like his yeah he could say that so so heck of a oh wow that's not even a stutter that's like a broken

record syndrome i don't know what that is fucked up uh heroin break yeah but he couldn't get it out and then he would be out of breath and then he'd try to get the words out so he'd be like let's go to jack in the box okay that's funny i have a cousin that would that's i have a cousin that stuttered sometimes like as an adult but sometimes not at all yeah and uh whenever he's never like in a like if he's like out and talking to people it would never come out at all like he had like this pressure that would keep it down. But if it was just me and him sitting around, he would be stuck on something. He'd be begging to finish the fucking word before we finish, and he'd go, thank you, god damn it.

He'd get so fucking mad that he couldn't do that. Staring at his eyes getting bigger. Help, help, help. He'd be like, and he'd go, thank you, fuck. Some people get mad if you finish their shit. He was like, no, finish this shit. Please don't make me. So I get that.

If you're on board, please hit it first. And then my other cousin, another cousin I had would repeat what he said after he said it when he was a kid all the time. Oh, good lord. Under his breath. Oh my goodness. He'd be like, I'm going to go to the store. I'm going to go to the store.

Jesus. He would like repeat it over, like to make sure he said it right. That's frightening. It was fucking weird. Yeah. That was Jesse. He's fine now. He's an he's as well spoken as can be went to nyu and everything but as a kid he had this weird like i don't know it was a self-confidence thing and repeat it to himself and i was like serial killer you keep doing that for and i of course

was not sensitive about it i'd be like what the fuck are you doing he's like i don't know i like to repeat shit after i say it i'm like why do you do that he's like make sure i say it right i'm like okay that makes sense i guess can you stop please fucking freaking me out jesus so uh yeah so he grows up there uh in this terrible dusty hot horrible fucking hopeless place terrible we can't hear stuttering getting picked on by the other kids who live there what a life uh everybody he said you know picked on him all the boys picked on him he said at one point a uh he was swinging from the monkey bars and a girl pulled down his pants leaving no yeah they gave him a the old rip down except uh while he was hanging from the monkey bar so he said he was pretty embarrassed about that uh he just hated

going to school because everybody picked up even the girls picked on him that's that's That's bad when you're in school back then and even the girls pick on you. It's like, fuck, because girls are generally kinder than that. Where are you in the pecking order? Jesus. You have to be really weak for them to sense weakness on you. Girls just don't have that same intent. With each other, they do. But to boys, for some reason, it's not usually projected that way.

But they are vicious to each other. Oh, yeah, but to boys, for some reason, it's not usually projected that way. But they are vicious to each other. Oh, yeah, vicious to each other, but they usually don't bully boys in elementary school. Sometimes if they like them, kids bully each other if they like them, which is a weird kid thing. They don't know how to process that shit. Yeah, so strange. I like them. I'm going to be mean as fuck to them. Yeah, I don't like that.

I don't know why I like them, so that goes both ways. I don't like how good he makes to him. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't know why I like him, so. That goes both ways. I don't like how good he makes me feel. Yeah, or she. I don't know why I think that girl's cute. I don't know what's going on. What a bitch. Girls are gross.

Girls are gross. I'm going to ruin her. Yeah. So he would pretend to be sick to not go to school. He would just never want to go to school because school was torture for him, is the way he put it. He would beg his mom not to go to school because school was torture for him as the way he put it uh he would beg his mom not to go he said uh he once he would get there he'd go to the nurse and said he didn't feel good so he could try to go home uh his mom said quote he was tortured he was getting angrier and angrier uh then i guess around third grades about nine years old um his father gave him and his brother some boxing gloves now he's got an older brother who's two years older than him named Oscar,

and we'll talk a lot about him. And he's got a younger brother also we don't hear so much about. But Oscar's got some issues we'll talk about here. And I guess right after that, Jeremy started taking lessons in boxing, but people would still pick on him, and then he'd just have to fight, but they'd still pick on him anyway. So basically, he just got to sort of get revenge at one point. Now, his brother's kind of a dick to him, which is common for boys.

When they were kids at one point here, when they were early 90s, they got Raiders jackets for Christmas. Which, in the Southwest, in the early 90s, that's a big deal to get a Raiders jacket for Christmas. Especially if you're in California. Yeah, barely, but you're there. You're closer to Arizona and Juarez than you are fucking L.A., but still. You're not closer to Juarez. That's all about Texas, but still.

It's closer to Tijuana. Oh, by far. He's got the C-A at the end of his fucking address. He's got that. He's there. It's there. And I guess they gave his brother Oscar a black one and they gave him a purple one. What?

Yeah. No kid who gets a Raiders jacket wants a purple Raiders jacket. Oh, Jesus. You're like, what the fuck, man? That's not cool. He was so mad. Christ, he got the Donatello jacket. Yeah, his brother got a black one.

He's like, I don't understand why. This isn't even their colors, Mom. That's what I mean. He was so upset, but he didn't want them to have the same jacket. Like, I got him the same thing, so he got it here. I got you this one and this one. Get him the silver one. Jesus.

Jesus. Anything but a purple one, his little kid. So, of course, Jeremy begged his brother to trade, and his brother was like, fuck you. You're out of your fucking mind. I'm not getting made fun of with a purple jacket. A trade in shit. You're already picked on. Just wear it. I get a black one. I'm not going to fun of with a purple jacket. I'm trading shit. You're already picked on. Just wear it.

I get a black one. I'm not going to trade that for a purple one. I don't think so. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Hilarious. Just stutter how you don't like purple. Right.

It'll take you a while to get purple out. So there's two Ps in there. So go do that in the corner for a while. I guess at one point, and Oscar did this to him a few times in several different ways. One point, he comes up to Jeremy on the playground and says, switch jackets with me. I'll trade with you. And he's like, really? You'll trade finally?

He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to trade with you. He's like, awesome. He's like, wow, my brother's being nice to me here. So he's like, no, no, I'll take it. Yeah, I like the purple one now. So he gets the black one on and he goes, you know, two minutes later, three people come over and beat the shit out of him.

He started shitting his own jacket and traded clothes with his brother. And traded clothes with his brother. Him and his brother, they look very much alike. One's a little bit taller, but he said, otherwise they look like twins. So if you don't know them very well. God damn it. If you're looking for one of them, you'll find the other and think it's him and beat the shit out of him. So he said he gets the living shit beaten out of him

and uh he's like what the fuck babe you know what happened there and then his brother made him trade jackets back but he was mad at him for bleeding on his jacket obviously he's like well he's you caused it dickhead the manna family that i know the carl augie and frank they all looked very similar and they could have pulled this shit off like augie was like four years older than the other two and they all looked the same age they were all the same size does that happen bizarre i've seen families like super italian dudes and they just all look the same they get to eight and everybody's the same yeah it's a weird thing super strange very very very strange so uh on the other things that would happen too is oscar would cause trouble and then people would beat up jeremy thinking it was oscar like this happened

often one time yeah one time he got beat up pretty bad and uh his he told you know his mother said what the hell happened to you and he goes i got the shit beat out of me and she said what did you do right and she said he said i'm my brother's oscar that's what i did they wanted to beat him up they thought i was oscar and uh so his mother said why didn't you just tell them that you're not oscar which is hilarious because it makes me think of arrested development which jeffrey tambor i'm also i'm oscar.com the fucking he was a jeffrey tambor plays twins and he basically it's a funny thing he has his brother arrested in his place and his brother's like i'm not him i'm oscar and he has a website i'm oscar.com and it's like fantastic i'm not him i'm oscar it's fucking hilarious so it's the same

thing here and he said the problem is that his stuttering was so bad that he said he would try but before he could explain that he was an Oscar, he'd already be getting beat up. So it doesn't matter. He goes, he's in there, but he's not. That's not going to work for him. He said he said by the time he'd get to the halfway through the butts, he'd be getting beat up. Or for that matter, he'd get in trouble at school for teachers that would see oscar do something and then blame him for it and he couldn't say that's not me and so he'd get all sorts of punishment all the time he said

uh you just have to take it and again because he was yeah they thought he was oscar so uh yeah he uh he said by the time he was eight that oscar wanted to make him tough yeah now this is this is fucking insane what he did here apparently at one one point, he said it's 118 degrees out, and he went in the backyard. And Oscar came into the backyard, and he had five rolls of duct tape. Oh, God. Which is, if you see any of your older brother coming at you with five rolls of duct tape, you fucking run. You run, God damn it. Bad things are happening here.

He's not even able to hold all that and still chase you. Oh, my God. He's going to throw them at you if you run. It's bad things are happening here. He's not going to be able to hold all that and still chase you. Oh, my God. He's going to throw him at you if you run. It's going to be bad. He said, damn it. He asked him, he said, you want to be tough? And he said, well, how are you going to make me tough? And he said, you'll find out.

So what Oscar did to this Jeremy is about 15 minutes later, as he describes, Jeremy describes, Oscar goes into the house and asks his mom for he grabs a can of soda and says, hey, where are the scissors? And he tells him where the scissors are. And he's like, OK. And he runs and takes off and goes out the door, comes back a little while later. Oscar does. And he says, do you know where the tree trimmers are? And the mother was like, hold on a second here. Why?

What are you doing out there? What do you need? Tree trimmers. Kids don't just do yard second here why what are you doing out there what do you need tree trimmers kids don't just do yard work voluntarily what are you trimming and he said i'm working on something and she looked at him and told him where the tree trimmers were he's like okay i guess he's up to something whatever so i guess five minutes later he goes back in and he goes okay mama where's the axe i need the axe now so he's escalated he's escalated from scissors to tree trimmers to an axe. So his mother said, okay, the axe, I don't know about that.

And he said, yeah, I need the axe. I've got to cut something out of the tree. So she says, what's going on here? And looks out the window. And what she sees, she says, what are you working on? He says, it's a project, Oscar does. She says, what are you working on? He says, it's a project.

Oscar does. And she looks out and sees Jeremy is duct taped to a tree. Full, completely covered his whole entire body in duct tape. And his brother can't get the duct tape off of him. So he wants to cut it with an axe? So he's trying to figure out how to do this, basically. He got him off there and couldn't get him down he couldn't get him down so he said so his mother walks out by the time oscar is standing in front of a tree with an axe in his hand uh and uh you know she who's he thinking is wednesday adams well she

she hears oscar tell jeremy quote well jeremy the only way i can get you loose is by cutting off some of your limbs you want the arms or the legs so loose is by cutting off some of your limbs. You want the arms or the legs? Some of your limbs. Some of your limbs. So the mother ran over and said, holy shit, how much duct tape did you use? Apparently all five rolls. Oh, my God. He used five rolls of duct tape to secure him to a tree. He said the only thing open was a small slit for him to breathe through.

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It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. So his mom freaked out. Yelled at Oscar. Took the axe away. Un unraveled the duct tape which couldn't have been couldn't have felt good for or taken 10 minutes that would have taken for

fucking oh god yeah i would assume you'd have to cut the duct tape and then throw him in a bathtub i would imagine and try to loosen it up you don't just be like ripping it off now let's do it so uh he has a tough childhood after that in terms of uh uh he's depressed a lot and he's you know gets gets victimized a lot gets picked on uh he says that he attempted suicide multiple times at this point uh different kid ways of trying didn't really i don't think didn't have a lot took too many aspirin one uh jumped off the house which i mean they don't live in a 20-story house he's like it's a one-story house off a winnow winnebago ain't gonna do nothing but spraying your hand you can't jump off the

single wide that's not gonna help uh he swat he ate oleander leaves because he heard they were poisonous but you know how many of those do you have to eat diarrhea yes i mean so yeah he didn't do a lot of research i don't feel like on this type of thing this is pre-internet times as a kid he was trying to do this if you don't know it's a bush that they people farmers used to use it to outline their property instead of putting up a fence that they call them oleanders yeah it's turned into oleanders it's an ugly bush yeah breeds animals and and insects it's a disgusting fucking decoration poisonous leaves that you don't want your dogs to eat. That's basically what it is.

And then they found out that it's poisonous when their horses started getting sick. Yeah. Hey, we shouldn't probably let them eat that shit. Jesus Christ, man. So he ends up being sent to a reform school out of all this and goes to counseling and for his anger and all that type of shit and you know speech therapy and things like that so he started to get better a little bit his stutter started to go away and you know you have to confront these things with kids you can't just be like well we'll figure it out someday

someday he'll talk right nope you gotta take him to speech therapy because otherwise they don't my son's been doing that shit since he was four trust me so uh uh now uh after this he gets home and his brother oscar uh rented a ufc video an ultimate fighting championship video after that before that they didn't know anything about that really this was when ufc was new when he was a teenager in the 90s uh and uh he said after basically, uh, uh, him and his brother were doing nothing but beating the shit out of each other. That was it. So the backyard was just fighting and they're wrestling and throwing each other around and

doing, you know, amateur MMA fighting in the backyard. So, uh, he would try to train. He used, he said he filled two liter soda bottles with water and taped them up and used them as punching bags that'll do which is not bad it'll toughen you up a little bit there uh he wrapped a tetherball pole uh with a cut up raft uh he said a tetherball pole with a cut up raft so he could like attack it and kick it and punch it and do things to it uh he begged that he's got a real it's weird things happen to him with carpet stores as we'll talk about later what he it's a long story but uh he he beg he goes to a carpet store

and begs the carpet store for like carpet remnants they may have so he could like you know stitch it together make a mat make a put shit down so they could you know not be slammed on onto the hard dirt of imperial california he's putting carpet outside pretty much yeah putting it down so they could you know not be slammed on onto the hard dirt of imperial california he's putting carpet outside pretty much yeah putting it down so he could disgusting disgusting shit living in that like crazy imagine the just the rain just the staff in there after a while oh christ uh him and his brother oscar were the ones going at it and fighting all the time uh he graduates high school and he wants to train for real yeah at that point so what the fuck is their dad oh he's around he's the one who gave him boxing

gloves he's around yeah that's true he's there he stays around the whole time he doesn't leave he gave him boxing gloves of course he's letting them carpet the backyard that's what i mean he had they have three kids and all they want to do is fight they're very rambunctious they're very they're three boys they're very whatever he they raised them kind of old school they were like go outside and beat the shit out of each other i don't care just don't break anything in the fucking house yeah a very like 1960s way of raising the boys i don't know figure out who's the toughest then i don't know what to tell you guys better better beat the shit out of each other figure out the toughest and let's hope he's the smartest because he's going to be the leader.

That's right. Figure out a pecking order, boys. I don't know what to tell you. So he graduates from high school and he wants to train. So he finds he looks all around for all sorts of places to train. He says that he's been fighting on the street always because he's always fighting people because they pick on him. And he's kind of ballsy, too, because he's used fighting people because they pick on him and he's kind of ballsy too because he's used to fighting his older brother and and that sort of thing uh

but he wanted to be able to uh he wanted to be able to have a real fight and do it the real way uh he started looking online uh because this was just a you know the birth of our late 90s so the internet just coming about and being something that you could even access from imperial california yeah even even there oh this is creepy internet stuff yeah oh yeah he's organizing terrible websites with black backgrounds and red letters right shit like that awful awful stuff you can't see like good lord to read it awful shit to read you blink and it's still there oh god why i can still see red letters so he was looking for martial arts training schools and uh he said he three of them caught his attention uh bart vale ken shamrock obviously and jamrock had a school apparently he had a school this was this is late 90s this was probably right after or at the tail end of his wwf run there so i mean he was a pretty famous fucking guy

and his family and him they're famous for mma sure uh and also robert ferguson who they call the prince of leg locks which i think is hilarious as a as a title um so they all had studios and i guess they were all well known in that in that. I have no idea if he went on. He probably went on message boards or whatever and tried to. Some AOL shit. Yeah, who's a good place in California or some shit like that. I got a carpet backyard. Who am I fighting? Who out there has carpet in their backyard that I can use?

He said he tried Bart Vale's studio in Florida. He said, but all he got was an answering machine and he doesn't even know if he left a message uh next he went to the ken shamrock's website but he said it was too confusing and he couldn't find any contact information because it was a late 90s website all of them were too confusing and you can't find any information there's so many shamrocks which one do i click and who knows where the some link is at the bottom. If they put it in the site map thing is you'd have to look back in the day and find shit. So said he couldn't find anything. Plus, he said he couldn't tell where the studio was based on the confusing website.

He couldn't tell if it was in San Diego or Lockford, California. So he didn't know. So he looked at Robert Ferguson and it was they had a school about 30 minutes away from where an ex-girlfriend of his lived. So he thought about that. His school was in Oxnard, California, and his ex-girlfriend Maggie lived in Camarillo there. So he said he called Maggie and explained the situation, and she said, sure, come on and live with me. You can come stay here while you try to train and how old is he at this point 18 19 they're kids basically uh he said it was you know he was

doing it just in his mind just till he found a place of his own yeah he wasn't you know he wasn't gonna marry this chick or anything like that he was just moving in to hang out i've never had an ex-girlfriend that would have been cool with me staying with that's what i mean especially at that age yeah oh i would have broken up with them terribly and they would have hated me forever horrible yeah that's what i mean yeah yeah the horrible today they wouldn't want to talk to me no probably not yeah and a lot of mine probably wouldn't either i wouldn't imagine good and i'm happy for that thank christ i'm glad i acted the way i acted otherwise i might have to talk to these people or dodge their fucking social media messages.

He drives five hours instead of this gym. It's five hours away, and he finds that it's closed for the day when he gets there. Five hours. Five hours for dick. Yeah, maybe you should have called first. Just a thought. Maybe you should have went.

He called everybody else. Open tomorrow? Okay, click. You know, just to. Till when? What time? When do you? Okay, let me me plan this out just got in the car and drove uh so it's closed for the day so he left a note on the back of a receipt that he had in his car uh somewhere and just scribbled a note and left it on the door and it said quote my name is jeremy jackson i want to be the next ufc champion of the world will you help me that was the note and left his contact information okay so interesting uh the ferguson guy said he

took to him right away based on that to begin with yeah they're looking for hunger and that's the main thing that they're looking for here you don't want it that's it you have to be willing to do shit and you have to have ambition and you have to have balls the ufc is very much like imperial california yeah you have to want to survive you have to really want to live there and go there you can't just it doesn't happen by accident no you don't just go to work one day next thing you know you're in a ufc fight that's not the way it works so uh the ferguson dude said quote he definitely had the hunger he was young enough and had the ability and determination all he was missing was the technical skills how can you say no to a guy like this which yeah exactly that's that's that's fucking fighting i mean you you look for there's natural

abilities obviously you gotta have that raw talent you have to have raw talent but a lot of it is technique right i mean that's just the way it is technique and and the willingness to practice a lot right that's kind of all it is teachable that's teach the way it is. Technique and the willingness to practice a lot. That's kind of all it is. That's teachable. That's teachable. It really is. Especially, I think, and I don't know this for sure, but I would think it would be more teachable, I would think, because grappling is a part of it. So I would think it would be a more, like boxing would be a harder thing to teach because if you don't have hand speed, you just don't have hand speed.

Period. High hand coordination is key. That's it. You've got to be able to punch where you're looking. That's what I mean. It doesn't matter how much you practice. Mike Tyson just had sick hand high. It's ridiculous.

His hand speed was ridiculous, and that's all it is. But I think in UFC, obviously, and MMA, hand speed is going to help a ton, obviously. But I would think you could maybe – obviously, it would help would help too with grappling, but it would kind of... Having a little bit of a strategy. You can teach somebody that. Yeah, it would kind of, yeah. Punch here, Mike. Cool, I can do that.

Really fast, Mike. Watch how fast. If you have a technique, it would, yeah, it would ruin somebody's skills a little bit, or their quickness, you could crush it a little bit with some skills. So this Ferguson gets Jeremy a job bussing tables while he trains because he's got to do something to eat. So he gets him a job bussing tables.

To pay him for his services. To pay him for services. Gets him a job at the Spanish Hills Country Club bussing tables and started working him at the gym. Jackson right away wanted to fight. He wanted to get in the cage and fight, and Ferguson told him he wasn't ready. Now, Jeremy, like we said, he had boxed. He took some lessons.

He was working on karate-type shit on the mats in the backyard, and he was trying to work on different styles, and right away his guy said, you've got to not do karate shit because that shit doesn't work like in an actual fight. That's not like in a UFC, not a UFC, but an MMA. Like if you're in a cage, someone's going to kick your ass if you're coming at him with fucking karate moves. Just period.

They're going to grab your leg and snap it in half. Stop that kata. You can't do that. Like you have to fight real fighting. Like you need to fucking box and punch and fucking wrestle and grapple and things of that nature learn a hold why are you standing with your arms up and your fucking what is happening yeah i'm just gonna that crane thing doesn't work in this sir you missed and i'll choke you right which isn't part of karate so it's definitely not

ferguson said quote he was focused and young anybody who has a dream you can help that's definitely not uh ferguson said quote he was focused and young anybody who has a dream you can help that's where that's worth more than anything so apparently desire is the main thing here uh he gets his first fight on september 9th 2001 so he is two days before two days before so yeah that's that's pretty funny it's the g6 caged beast shows uh which is a hell of a hell of a uh title here uh he fights jake shields who was an established real fighter at the time yeah this didn't make i don't know why they put him up against a guy like this it's almost like they were wanting to make him quit or something because it's like why would you put him in his first fight with a guy who is a fucking seasoned pro? Usually you see these first fights.

It's another guy with his first fight or some guy who's 0-1 or 0-3 or, you know, not a guy who's an actual contender. He fights Jake Shields, who is a 33-11 career fighter. So that's a real guy. It's no bullshit here. And Jeremy loses by submission at two minutes and three seconds of round one with to a rear naked choke you would expect that yeah and he he said of this fight uh the whole time his his corner they were telling him you know what to do and they were saying don't don't even tap gloves with him he's going to try to do something with that he's don't give him the advantage they were

giving him all these tips and he said basically uh within you know they said try to box him because you're better at boxing than wrestling so try to strike and he said in about two and a half seconds he was on his back on the mat and trying to figure out what the fuck to do yeah and he said all of his technique went out the window doesn't matter what you're on the ground it's the old you know everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the nose thing it's it's one of those deals it's he just was like fuck now what do i do once he's getting tied up he said it just he just reverted into like just instinctive wrestling skills to try to take fighter flight shit yeah that's all it was just oh jesus get out of this he's trying to choke me fuck this is bad

you know he didn't know what to do and he's in there with a guy who's a right-to-the-point, experienced professional fighter. He's done it in one 30 times. Yeah, so it's a tough deal. So he loses in two minutes, and he's 0-1. So it's a lot of people would quit right there. You might. You're like, I don't think I did that very well. Shit.

He decides to fight more and more and that sort of thing. He starts fighting. This is crazy. He starts going around la and doing like fight club type scenarios so now he's showing up to bus tables with a mouthful of blood yeah and in parking structures and shit like that and and like clubs and like dirty sleazy clubs and like a like a fight club scenario like underground like fights where the guy people be betting on him and shit like that.

Unsanctioned fucking street brawls he's going in. So yeah, he starts fighting and shit like that, trying to get some experience, I guess, on the street. Jesus Christ, that seems dangerous. I like it. April 6th of 2002, he fights in, it's an event called KK which is that's close don't put an ellipses on the end of that because we know

it's coming you know what I mean it's cage combat spelled with K's that's terrible I feel like they were trying to that's a dog whistle though to hey we don't like black people i don't know what they're trying to say it's a good way to get attention though you know what i mean yeah you're looking

for attention that's a good way to do it i suppose jesus christ man so he fights a guy named peter de leo who's an oh and one career fighter perfect total here we go this is the fight this is even as this is the guy that we want to fight here. It says in all the sites that I could find that this fight went 0.00 seconds and was stopped as a TKO with strikes. Basically, the fight started. He started punching him, and the ref called the fight. Okay. It was just like, that's enough.

Yeah. This guy obviously can't fight back. He didn't know what he was doing. He got in there and just got fucking mauled by Jeremy wins to mauled by Jeremy and Jeremy wins by mauling some poor unsuspecting guy who clearly wasn't trained properly in a parking structure at the mall in a parking structure at the mall under a partially almost racially fucking almost hate group title. So that's throw a plastic banner over the side of the

fucking mall structure now it's the kk come on everybody they're fighting in the macy's martin yeah it's got to be one of the anchor stores i figure they got like a mid jc penny fucking parking lot out there a good dillard sign illuminating the top of that structure you know it man fighting under the lights of dillard's. Let's do it. Filene's, here we come. It feels like your sponsor. Yeah. We're being sponsored by Annie's Pretzels.

You can see the lights from the sign right there, the glow of that blue pretzel. That's awesome. So he says, June 21st, 2002, he was working out at an L. an la at a place in camarillo called la workout uh with a friend of his from high school and uh toward the end of their weightlifting he

said he got a phone call uh from the promoter for king of the cage which we've talked about these king of the cages a lot like with dot sick fought in those and all the lower level guys fighting these king of the cages a lot it's kind of a mid-tier mma shit uh he said quote and he was very excited about this jeremy he was like holy shit this is a big deal uh to get because it's way bigger than what he's been doing and uh it's where what he wants to do so the guy tells him quote how would you like to fight joe stevenson for the welterweight title belt now he's had two fights yeah so far so uh uh this guy he you know he was he was fucking psyched you know what i mean he said that uh he's had five or six fights by then but only two of them were real the other ones were as he put it quote underground uh and he said nobody knew who he was uh he doesn't know how the hell his promoter got his number. Basically, the promoter was looking for a tomato can to knock around.

He got this guy. Yeah, this was like, if anybody's seen Rocky, this was like when they were sitting around with Apollo Creed, figuring out who the hell to beat the shit out of on the 4th of July. And they were like, how about this fucking bum from the gym? Pretty much the same thing here. So he said, wow, sounds good. He said, how long? What do we got, like two months for this you know

how long do i have to train and the guy said well it's tomorrow yeah tomorrow yeah which is you need more time to prepare for a fight so he's like i'm gonna get seven o'clock now uh look we start in an hour look get in the car let's just say that just get in the car doesn't matter what you're wearing just get in the car they got your entrance music on the way and fucking cruise on over whatever van halen song is on the radio right that's the one yeah panama you're coming out to panama this is good fine so he uh yeah he's he was kind of a little bit because i mean this guy i'm gonna find a one and one fighter with no experience uh no experience and on one day's notice to fight a guy who's up for a title so you can tell that they're this is shady and they're looking for someone to take a backfire

on them so bad uh he says tomorrow is in like tomorrow tomorrow and the guy said yeah and the and jeremy said no i'm not fucking doing that are you crazy he goes he goes i can't fucking do that he goes i'm not gonna put my career at risk and the guy goes i'll pay you double what i would normally pay since i need you tomorrow okay he goes how about i pay you double and he goes i'm not going to put my career at risk and the guy goes i'll pay you double what i would normally pay since i need you tomorrow okay he goes how about i pay you double and he goes all right fine i'll be there tomorrow tomorrow at this point he's poor he's fucking bussing tables i mean you know if someone offers you 2,500 bucks to do something you fucking do it when you're bussing tables that's a it's a month's worth of table bussing changes your life yeah it changes your whole makes your whole life easier that might get you out of your ex-girlfriend's house. Exactly.

Exactly. Or at least get her to quit bitching. Yeah. Get her to shut her mouth for a minute. Because you're not doing shit. Quit telling me about what I used to be like. Will you stop choking people and pay the fucking bills, please? Jesus, you asshole.

So June 22nd now, 2002, it's King of the Ring 15 Bad Intentions is the name of this one. He fights Joel Stevenson, who is a 33 and 16 career fighter. That's not somebody you fight on one day's notice when you're not really in hardcore training. He even said when he got the call, they were finishing a weightlifting session, and he says he doesn't lift when he's training for a fight. It's a different training. So he goes, i was because it fucking makes his muscles tired it's all stamina that you did before exactly so he says he was in no condition to to fight here uh he loses badly here he gets pummeled uh loses by submission from punches at a minute 27 in round one he just gets worked by this guy this guy knows what he's doing and he's been training for this fight for months

and he just comes in like, hey, what's going on? I'm Jeremy. And getting knocked in the face two seconds later. Hey, I'm... I'm not Oscar. I'm not Oscar. I'm not Oscar.

I don't know who the fuck Oscar is. I'm here to kick your ass this time. Hilarious. So he's one and two career now. So it doesn't start out in an epic fashion this career, let's just say. It's got some room to improve. For sure. But he has a flash in here where he's done something in MMA that no other person's ever done.

He has one thing that he's done that no one else has ever done. And we'll get to it in a little bit. And it's successful. It's a good thing. Okay. It's a good thing. No one else has ever done it, and it involves another very successful fighter. Great.

And he's the only one to ever do it. Fantastic. Jeremy is. So July 12, 2002, so this is three weeks later, he's fighting again, which we always see in the beginning of these guys' careers. They stack these fights up because they need money. Right. beginning of these guys careers they stack these fights up because they need money right there if you're training you're like i'd rather not work work a fucking 40 hours a week and train for mma too i suppose it's just so you could probably afford to just train right i would assume you take any fights just for that uh so he uh this is at uh ifc uh wc 17 international fighters UFC, WC-17. International Fighters Challenge, I think.

It's Warriors Challenge 17 is the WC. I hate all these names. I hate all the acronyms. That's what annoys me so fucking much. And I have to look them up and figure out what they are. It's an extra step in every one of these fucking fighters' stories. It takes me an extra hour because people name their shit stupid things. Every time I do a fighter, I swear to Christ, an extra hour.

He fights Fast Eddie Ellis, which don't be Fast Eddie on this show. No. Because we've had a Fast Eddie before. He was super fast. And he got arrested a hundred times and he raped a child. Yeah, he did. So he's a bad person. So don't want to go by Fast Eddie.

Fast Eddie Ellis is a 22 and 17 career fighter. So he's kind of a journeyman. He's not a contender, but he's at least a guy with some experience. He's not a tomato can. He's been in the ring before. Jeremy, this fight only goes two minutes and 24 seconds as Jeremy wins by TKO with punches. So he comes in. He's a puncher.

He's a puncher. He started out boxing. His dad got him boxing gloves, and he started out boxing. And as we'll see, too, he'll even have a little hiatus as a boxer as well, where he has a couple of professional boxing fights in the middle of his UFC career, or his MMA career. So now he's 2-2. This brings him a month, two months later, to September 28, 2002,

which is UA4, King of the Mountain. UA is Ultimate Athlete, not Urine Analysis for anybody out there. United Artists. A lot of people out there on fucking probation that are like, UA, look, I got to do that every week. No, that is Ultimate Athlete. Our people are mostly criminals. Right. Most of our listeners are listening from state prison as we speak.

So hello, everybody in Chino. We've got some. We've got some. Well, that's where we'll find out. Never mind. So this is a tournament. This is one of those crazy shit where you fight three times in a night tournaments, which I think probably have mashed more brains.

Can you fucking imagine? No. You are messing. You can't be punched in the fucking face at three different occasions in the same night no you can't do that you're gonna hit your head it's bad for you you're gonna get a concussion and stack them and these are not several concussions in a night not great it's it's definitely possible it's absolutely possible so this night here he fights uh zach light who's whose uh nickname is the lisbon

outlaw so yeah he's not from lisbon by the way he's from california uh he is in california no he's not from lisbon california and as far as i know he has no connection to portugal of any fucking kind i can imagine he might be portuguese I assume. Maybe his family's of Portuguese descent. Hope so. But you're from California. You are not the Lisbon outlaw. So, it's Zach Light. He's a 9 and 11 career fighter, this Zach Light. And Jeremy,

this fight goes two rounds and 30 seconds into the second round, Jeremy wins by TKO with punches again. So, he's a puncherer a lot of his wins come by punches uh problem here is though this is a tournament and jeremy breaks his left hand in the first round of this fight so he's got a broken left hand and uh and and now another another fight to go so he went into the second round with a broken left hand and knocked him out but now he's

got a he's got a broken left hand uh so now he's three and two career uh here uh the next fight that night same same uh uh same tournament he fights mike uh mike penal burr which p-e-n-a-l-b-e-r oh no penal burr which sounds like you have a burr in your dick a penal burr is not quite a surgery that is bad i had a i was born with have a burr in your dick. A penal burr is not good. Sounds like that requires surgery. That is bad. I was born with a penal burr, and every time I went to the bathroom, it hurt until I was about seven, and I had to have it removed.

That's hilarious. If someone told you that, you'd go, oh, that sounds terrible. You'd 100% believe them if they said they had a penal burr that had to be removed. You had to warn a girl every time she goes down. That little bump, it's just a penal burr.

It's just a penal burr. It's fine. It's not contagious. It's not contagious. It's fine. I was born with it. It's a birth thing. So everyone out there, everyone out there, do me a favor.

Someone today, someone you speak to, tell them you were born with a penal burr and you had to have surgery when you were a kid. And I guarantee you everyone believes that that's a real thing. No one will go, what the fuck? That's not a thing. If any woman ever asks you, what's that seam down the backside of your balls? Penal burr. I was born with a penal burr.

I was born with a penal burr. You had to fillet it. So they removed it. They had to butterfly it like a pork chop. Pretty good job putting it back together, right? They put it back together. It still works and everything. It's pretty top-notch.

It's medical care these days. It's pretty impressive. So, Penal Burr here is a three and six career fighter, and he's just a doughy fuck. Yeah. He's very doughy. His hips are wider than his shoulders. Yeesh. Like, and doughiness.

Yeah. He's just a doughy little man who doesn't look like a fighter looks like he's had kids he looks like he's had kids yeah multiple uh so he's uh hips wider than shoulders by the way is not normally what you see in a fight in a professional fight no usually not the the structure of their bodies that's not how that works uh so usually a v the other direction yeah that's they're doing a reverse over here so this fight only lasts 48 seconds as jeremy beats his penal burr ridden doughy ass with one arm with one arm no he knocks him out uh the last punch he throws the the one where

the ref stops the fight is with his broken left hand wow so he hits him with he's still punching with it fucking nuts so this is a tko with punches brings him to four and two total in his uh in his career here and he has one more tonight and he has one more tonight and this fight is uh this is not against a penal burr no this fight is against nick diaz really yeah so he's got nick diaz now after he's fought two fights and has a broken left hand he's gonna fight fucking nick diaz and just knocked a guy out with his broken yes nick diaz if you don't know a ufc guy is a prominent fighter he's a good fighter he's a 26 and 9 career fighter and he's known as a tough son of a bitch he's not a pussy at all he's not this time he's not a push over no

no that's his career this he's four and oh coming in okay so this is his you know he's on the fast track here and he's considered a hell of a guy a fighter and he's a prospect uh this fight only goes 49 seconds and in round one jeremy wins oh the fight is stopped this is the only time in diaz's career that a fight will be stopped, that he'll lose by a stoppage. Really? The only time. Nobody's ever done that to him. No one ever. To 26 and 9, Jeremy's the only guy who beats him by stoppage.

How about that? Ever. Which is fucking incredible. Yeah. Maybe submission, but not a stoppage as far as jumping in because he's getting pummeled by punches. Wow. So this 49 seconds, Jeremy goes in there, and sometime in this melee, he breaks his right

hand. Now he has two broken hands. He was just kept throwing, kept dropping bombs and ended up, uh, the fight is stopped in 49 seconds. Unbelievable. And he wins this little tournament and, uh, he's considered an up and comer now. Now he just, in one night he went from who cares to this guy just beat fucking Nick Diaz, who we thought was something, and did it with two broken hands. Fuck, man.

Damn. He's got to go to the doctor and pay for those by himself. That's the problem. Now he's got to have those put back together. Physical therapy and all that shit. So he's five and two now. Diaz is four and one. So he looks like just as good of a goddamn fighter at this point.

so he looks like just as good of a goddamn fighter at this point uh he says the next year was a fucking mess for him as far as uh fighting and everything like that uh and we'll talk about the fights but he said you know he's one of you lost a few sometimes he'd only make 50 bucks he said in some of these fights some sanctioned some not sanctioned uh he said quote it was gas money and a black eye yeah which is he basically this is like the open like the low level comedy circuit is what he's doing except you're guaranteed to be punched in this one's the only difference where if you're going around from place to place you may be punched as a comedian or your ego takes a bruise oh that'll that's definitely gonna happen but you may also be attacked by angry locals at any point in time someone who doesn't some drunken asshole who doesn't like something you said about something i heard what

you said about that i love my wife yeah how dare you oh christ how many times have you had somebody wanted to fight you after a comedy set i it's fucking countless i don't know how many that wanted to fight but i've had plenty to tell me that i'm a dick or i'm an yeah that's what i mean they wanted to be dicks about it and well maybe my first reaction is all right well then fucking what do you got to do then what what are you talking about because that's it you're coming up to me with shit like that that's are you trying to fight me because you get what is this this isn't constructive career criticism i didn't ask you for like fucking notes on my set so either you know i opened for stanhope

and i and i wrote a joke that i figured his crowd will love that was dark and the subject of it was pat tillman it had nothing to do with pat tillman it's just a joke and his name happened to be in it to make it dark i told the joke and then it bombed and then just off in the back i heard a guy shout you're a dick that's pretty fucking funny i would have had i would have laughed my ass off at that and then told way worse jokes that's how i would have handled that and i made 50 bucks that night i bet and got a black eye 50 goddamn dollars 50 fucking dollars and so yeah we've all been there i've been in a comedy show, Melee. Yeah. Fucking hit in the head with a glass and all that shit. I got a fucking goddamn brawl erupted at this shitty little club.

It was in the back of a Mexican restaurant. Some dipshits. Unbelievable. It was a fucking disaster. Some dude took a swing at me. Every time I hear the back of a Mexican food restaurant, I hear Brian Mullen saying it. Yeah, the back of a Mexican. Brian Mullen was a was a i

don't think he's still doing comedy now phoenix comedian at the time he used to run a little club out here called the speakeasy and he's a good friend of ours and we like him we like him a lot but he likes every he does it every time he would do it every time there anyway well yeah when it closed down three years ago i always dreamed about running a comedy show in the back of a Mexican food restaurant. No goddamn signs outside. There you go, Brian. So there's a joke, Brian. So he said it was just gas money in a black eye.

He said, but he loved the whole thing because he said he felt like something. He felt like he was doing something and being something and not just being a piece of shit. He said, quote, I forgot all about who I was as a kid. I felt like I was going to be huge. Because he did. He felt like everyone told him, hey, that Nick Diaz guy was up and comer, man. That was a bad motherfucker. You just beat him.

Now you're the next up and comer. So he started to believe his own shit. Which I don't blame him. Who wouldn't? Especially in the fashion he beat him. He went into that tournament and just beat the shit out of everybody with broken hands. Right. He walked in holding one hand.

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You can listen to WikiHole ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. March 27, 2003. This is at the WEC, World Extreme Cage Fighting, as we found from previous episodes. Number six, Return of a Legend. And their Return of a Legend was Frank Shamrock was back that night, I guess. So that was their legend. This night, he fights Mr. International, quote unquote uh shoney carter yeah mr international

sounds like i got a passport shoney that's like a native american name in it shoney carter if you look like a black guy to me uh i don't know it's that or or that or that or him or somebody like that uh black guy or something something probably not a what maybe a white guy named shoney i could see that shoney carter i could see that being like a. Black guy. Something. Something. Probably not a white. Maybe a white guy named Shoney. I could see that. Shoney Carter. I could see that being like a red-headed guy even. That could be anybody. That could be anybody.

Out of duty looking motherfucker. Yeah. I could totally see that. Shoney Carter right there. How you doing? My name's Shoney. Named after a gas station in Oklahoma. 100% see that shit.

He is a 51 and 32 career fighter. This guy fights a fucking lot. This fight goes the distance. Really? All three rounds. And there is a unanimous decision for Jeremy after three rounds. So he beats a very experienced fighter who he ends up training with a little bit later. Really?

And hanging out with a little bit later on. He ain't showing any of your pals. Not now. No. No one's pals with Jeremy now. We'll put it that way. Jeremy is pal-free at this moment in time he's a free agent oh yeah he is he's he anybody out there wants to be pals with jeremy i have a feeling that uh he's open to it and i'll tell you how to get a hold of him so uh

yeah he's six and two at the end of that fight so shit that's you know going well six and two is pretty good i mean for ufc it's not boxing where you expect the guy to start out 20 and oh if he's anything six and two is how a good fighter starts i mean like we talked about before diaz was four and one yeah he's fine so uh this is uh july 19th 2003 the ifc wc 18 is too many. Just too many fucking letters. I'm sorry. WFC IFC. This is the IFC WC 18.

Oh, that's it. Yeah. The Big Valley Brawl is what this is. They call this. This is versus Nick Diaz again. So now he's got to fucking fight a rematch here against Nick Diaz. Now he's got two good hands. Now he's got two good hands.

He says he never really, his hands are always bothering him his entire fight, his entire career. His hands bother him, he's got neck problems his whole career. So these are bad things if you're a fighter. This fight goes four minutes and 33 seconds of the first round,

and it is stopped after, well, it was stopped because of punches, and Jeremy loses by TKO here. Apparently, this one was quite the war. These guys were just fucking unloading on each other, trying to knock each other out. And eventually, Nick got the better of him. And Nick came in trying to avenge his loss here, trying to show that this guy wasn't fucking a better prospect than him, basically.

So this drops Jeremy to six and three. But apparently, it's a good showing it's a decent showing he doesn't embarrass himself he doesn't get you know it's not like his first fight where he got you know two and a half seconds and everything was out the window absolutely uh now september of 2003 he gets a phone call from ufc oh so now that's the big deal obviously that's the uh the majors as in terms of mma it's 2003 in 2003 too which when it was really that's the majors in terms of MMA. This is 2003. In 2003, too, which is when it was really, that's when it was fucking exploding. It was big at that point already, but it was getting even bigger by the day at this point in time.

And they wanted to give him a contract. So he and Ferguson went, his trainer there, went to Hawaii to go fight. You know, they get all expenses paid. This is ufc now now we're not fucking around anymore uh he was getting two thousand dollars a fight and an additional two thousand dollars if he won so four grand so now if you win a fight you get four grand which i mean you got to give your trainer some and all that and it's you know a couple months between it's not that much money but at least maybe you don't be fighting next maybe you don't have to bust yeah you'll be fighting again uh but it's a good thing uh he says that they all say there's a fluff piece on him that i found from 2007 that's just like how mma changed a man it's from like the ventura whatever the fuck paper i don't know

what the hell it is but it's about how it's that's what it is, how how how MMA changed a man. And it's all about how took this stuttering, weak, bullied kid and turned him into a confident goddamn warrior fighting warrior here. It's a fluff piece. And then a couple of years later, they would be sad that they made a fluff piece about him. Maybe we should have picked somebody else in this fluff piece, though. They say that the fans nicknamed him Scorpion, which I don't see that. How would they have found him? How would they know who he is and what the fuck? So he says at that point, that's when he got the tattoo of the scorpion on his left pec there.

The little tiny outline of a scorpion. It's like a constellation, like a mini constellation. Just one of those. Is he a Scorpio? I don't think he is. Was it September? When was he born? Yeah, September.

Remember that Scorpio? Was it September? I don't fucking know. It's close. I don't know anything about. I know when mine is and a couple of others. September, October, too. My sister's a Scorpio.

There you go. Well, maybe it's that then. All right. September 26th, 2003. It's UFC 44, Undisputed, and the headlining fight of the night was Randy Couture versus Tito Ortiz. Then I probably watched it. So this is a pretty big one here. Hermes Franco won on this card.

He was the opener on this card. He was a dick. He won a fight. We can go back and listen to the Hermes Franca episode of the horrible shit that he did because it was awful. He was a bad, bad person. Hermes Franca. And that was a very not a lot of people listen to that.

A lot of people did. But compared to like some of Jake the Snake Roberts, it's a less listened to episode. And it's funny. It was crazy. More. Yeah, it's true. So Sonny. Yeah.

Sonny was Lane. No, it's such. Yeah. Tammy. Tammy. Who's Sonny Lane? I have no idea. I it Lane? No. It's Sitch. Sitch, yeah. Why did I say Lane? Tammy. Who's Sonny Lane? I have no idea. I'm like, Sonny Lane.

I think that's a porn star. It probably is. That sounds like a porn star. So her too. Yeah. I don't know. So whatever. We have never done an episode on her, but what the hell.

So he fights Nick Diaz again this fight. My Christ. So now he's going to fight Nick Diaz again. The tiebreaker. Yeah, it's the tiebreaker and it's, you know, in the UFC, it's the real deal here. This fight, the first two rounds are a war. Goes into the

third round. Oh my God. So, I mean, this is a war. They're fighting, man. These guys are pretty evenly matched, it seems like, from their previous two fights and then this fight. And at two minutes and four seconds into the third, so so you know almost almost a push here almost uh went the distance yeah uh finally nick gets him and jeremy submits

from an arm bar so once you get into the third round these guys are tired you're grappling and you can just slip and if somebody grabs a hold it's just over that's just one of those things uh so six and four is his record at this point. But that was respectable. That was nothing to be ashamed of. To go into the third round and lose by an arm bar and put up a hell of a fight on a UFC card like this on pay-per-view, the whole deal. He still won in 60% of his fights at this point. Probably with a whiskey drinking Jimmy Wisman watching it in his younger days. Yeah, so that's not a bad thing for him.

It's pretty good here. uh yeah so that's not a bad thing for him he's it's pretty good here uh so at this point too he has a uh he has his his um his schedule of the day he does a hundred push-ups and a hundred uh a hundred sit-ups yeah and then he walks a hundred yards on his hands what i don't know how he does that he walks a handstand and walk i don't how do you get a hundred yards out of i don't know sarah can do that really she can fucking walk all around it's pretty impressive but i she's like a tiny yeah a tiny person he's not i don't know how he when i was her size i could maybe yeah i don't know i don't remember when i was a kid i remember i remember being her size ever because i was probably her size i was probably her size in the in the fourth grade i think

maybe if you know maybe not And I weighed a lot more, I'll tell you that much, because I was a fat fuck when I was a kid. I was a fat fuck when I was a kid. A fat little bastard. It's the truth. I remember when I was 12, going to the doctor and having him go,

you have to lose weight. You're fat. Doctor telling my mother to make him lose weight. Tell an Italian mother, don't feed don't feed him so much and they're like what are you talking about that's not how you do it no you feed him as much as they can eat that's how it works and uh so i remember telling my grandmother about that that the doctor said i was fat and then i shouldn't uh eat something because she made a bunch of pasta

and i should only and i said i only wanted a little bit and she said you son of a bitch bastard she yelled at my mother for taking me to the guy come out there he's a growing boy what the hell do they know well you know feed him this and she made me twice as much as i normally ate and you're skinny as fuck today and then yeah you gotta eat through those through it and then when i was 13 i fucking shot up nine inches in two months and then i've never been able to put on weight ever since then. I can't fucking gain weight. You see me all the time. I'm like, what's the most fattening thing on this menu?

Because I'm eating it. Drink two whiskeys today and then do it again tomorrow. Damn it. So he would walk 100 yards on his hands. He would do from 3.30 to 4. He would run two miles. He would do school from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m he would run two miles uh he would do this mma he would do school from 9 9 a.m to 3 p.m would be the school for it then he would run two miles after the school from four

o'clock to 5 30 p.m he'd do wrestling from 5 45 to 7 30 he'd train in karate and then from 8 to 9 30 he'd train in boxing no and then 10 p.m to whenever he stopped he would lift weights this is too much sounds like it that was his that's a daily regimen so that's it starts at 7 and goes to like you know 11 12 at night and it's all physical activity it sounds goddamn exhausting that sounds awful sounds so exhausting i don't want to be in shape if that's what it takes that sounds terrible i don't want to be in fighting shape that's too much that sounds are like, it'll extend your life by five years. Yeah, I'm going to spend those five years doing this shit. That sounds horrible.

I used to have a joke when I first started comedy that was, because I read this somewhere, that if you spend an hour on an exercise bike or a treadmill, an hour on a treadmill will add six minutes to your life. I said, that sounds like a net loss of 54 minutes as far as I'm fucking concerned. It sounds terrible. I have this hour now when I'm young and I can do something with it. Why do I want another six minutes when I'm fucking 85 and my whole body sucks anyway? What am I doing?

So, yeah, I don't appreciate any of this shit. You slept for 54 minutes for nothing. No, it doesn't matter and then imagine imagine dropping dead while jogging wouldn't that be the stupidest thing ever you didn't even want to fucking do it you didn't even want to do it and you dropped dead while doing it that'd be terrible it's not like if you drop dead while you're fucking it's one thing you're like well that's an activity i wanted to do yeah and you know what i went out on top hopefully i finish yeah if you went out doing something you didn't want dragged your ass out of bed early in the morning and did it and dropped

dead on the road yeah the worst that's the worst uh so november 22nd 2003 uh he fights uh this is in a high school in hawaii oh i don't know why it's at a high school in hawaii it's at a high school in hawaii this is ring of honor one ring of honor now don't confuse why it's at a high school in Hawaii. It's at a high school in Hawaii. This is Ring of Honor 1, Ring of Honor. Now, don't confuse this with Ring of Honor Wrestling, because there's also a Ring of Honor Wrestling promotion. That's a pretty big, like it's the biggest, I don't know if it's the biggest, but it's probably the biggest indie promotion there is.

There's like WWE, there's Shitbag TNA, and then ROH is like right under there. It's where a lot of them, the only like farm system they have where they where they steal talent from basically uh is it ring of ring of honor because it's like in the ring of fire you know yeah yeah that's where it's at in in hawaii yeah i maybe that's part of the play on words but definitely not the uh not the uh the wrestling company of the same name okay not them different. Not them. Different thing. Different Ring of Honor, which I think Ring of Honor was starting right around this time, too. Bastards.

So it was, you know, whatever. People were grabbing for names. Apparently, they got it first over there. So this one, he fights Mark Moreno, who is a 12, 10, and 2 career fighter here. 12, 10, and 2 career fighter here. This fight goes one minute and 30 seconds into the first round where Jeremy wins by submission with a rear naked choke. This is his first non-pummeling also. His non-pummel win.

His actual give up. An actual grapple hold here. Otherwise, it's all been punches. TKOs by punches here. This brings him to 7 and 4, and he's feeling pretty good about himself uh until he finds out that his brother oscar has been killed in a drunk driving accident so that's bad uh apparently from what he says a big rig uh clipped his brother's car

causing him to flip and land against a rail on a bridge. He climbed out and ended up falling over the railing onto the highway below. Jesus. And dying that way. His brother did. So not good. Yeah, he climbed out of his car only to fall off the overpass and die. So not cool. At least he didn't get out and be like, I'm okay.

And then the car explodes. I was going to say, the car explodes. I'm all right. Or he gets struck by lightning. It's like some kind of fucking movie and then he gets hit by another big rig yeah by another bigger he's like nordberg he's in a wheelchair we're gonna take good care you pat him on the back and he falls down off the bed now luckily for him that didn't happen uh uh yeah she said that uh uh that you know at that point he went back home to be with his family and uh he told his girlfriend not to come with him he has a different girlfriend at

this point told her he needed to be alone and all that sort of thing now oscar had had a bad downfall kind of uh since they were kids he's he's not not doing he wasn't doing too well and the year before the the accident before oscar died he apparently had really sunk into meth pretty hard for the last year which in imperial california probably popular i feel like that's probably everybody i mean i'm sorry but if you drive past these places there is no other fucking reason to be there but meth, some of these towns. And it's a meth-y looking place, so I would not be surprised. Apparently, he once asked Jeremy during this whole mess if he could come stay with him where he was living. Yeah, just stay with him to get out of where he was. And Jeremy told him no because it was close to L.A.

And he told him that being so close to la is not going to be good for him it's going to be worse for him and he's going to end up being worse into drugs you're better off where you are at least there's a limited amount so now he's got a lot of regret in la you could fucking go out anywhere and he also said too i can't have you here trying to get clean and shit while i'm trying to i'm trying to train i'm a fighter and i i can't have any distractions i can't have somebody. I can't take care of you. You're a mess, Oscar.

You're a disaster. Stay in Imperial with the rest of the disasters. But he felt bad about it, obviously. Of course. He felt terrible. It has to be insane. Really bad. He said at his funeral, he put the King of the Mountain belt in Oscar's casket with him on his waist there.

I thought you were'm gonna say some math he put he put a nice little just put a cup put a quarter gram in his pocket just a little just a taste just in case he wakes up just a few bumps a couple of bumps to get him going that's all a little something because if he does wake up you know he's gonna need to pick me up you've been dead for a while you really that's when you need to pick me up bad jesus christ so uh jeremy said at that point quote it felt like god was punishing me it didn't seem fair uh so uh in the months uh later uh uh he he was just all messed up uh over this whole thing he was completely uh just at odds with himself he was really just had a bad internal dialogue going with himself.

He said he could just hear his brother asking him for things, and he would say no, and he just felt like he could have done more. As anybody with any kind of problem, when they go, it seems like they could have done more. Anytime anybody, A, if there's a suicide if there's a you know anything i still have i'll this is some shit i never talk about but whatever a friend of mine one of my best friends at the time uh killed himself back in 2009 and uh this he did it at like 5 3030 in the morning. At 2.15 in the morning, right as I was going to bed, I just laid down. He texted me, are you up? He was having problems with his girlfriend, and he was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I knew he needed to talk, and I knew it was an hour and a half conversation.

And I just laid down to go to bed, and I had to work the next morning. And I just said, I'll fucking get him back tomorrow. You're like Kemper's mom. Fucking ignored it. I ignored it. I didn't even text him back. I didn't even say, hey, dude, I'll get back to you. Nothing. I just said I'll fucking get him back tomorrow you're like Kemper's mom fucking ignored it yeah I ignored it I didn't even text him back I didn't even say hey dude I'll get back to you nothing I just fucking ignored it and I was like I'll tell him I'm asleep and it's all good because I just laid down and then the next morning I found out so I've obviously feel horrible about that sure every day yeah still because I feel like I could have fucking talked him down because I did it

every other fucking day and that day I just wasn't available and I feel terrible I could have fucking talked him down because I did it every other fucking day. And that day I just wasn't available. And I feel terrible about it still. And then so I can't imagine this guy's got to feel worse. That's his brother is what I was getting at. I wasn't trying to say me. I was trying to say he must feel worse than that. Of course. So I can't imagine what that feels like with your own brother,

especially if you were that close with him. Very similar situation. My friend Trevor was murdered and called me two hours before he got killed. Yeah. could i could answer the phone and said yeah come over yeah i was in the shower no exactly bed puddled asked me to let him in and i said no i'm going to bed yep that's what happens and you never know yeah it's it sucks man and so yeah you feel guilt for that kind of shit so yeah change everything james no you can't change everything i felt i still feel bad sucks yeah yeah that's i think i don't fucking that's why i'm weird with people now i had let everybody in i had like my two best friends die within a year of each other at young ages you

should have told me i'm a little leery i found out my days are numbered i'm a little leery yeah oh i'm the black widow there was an article because we i made both of them were both in a movie i made good god One was an actor and the other was Rod. And you worked with them too? What the fuck, James? I made a movie and I made an indie film and there was an article online that called me like the Black Widow of independent

film because two of my three leads died in a fucking year and it's funny now. It's funny now but at the time it was not funny for me because these are like my two best friends and the last thing i wanted was that for them to die oh and on top of that it completely fucked my whole movie and everything else too which didn't matter as much but let's get that magazine pretty framed that's great i can't find it anymore i can't find

it i i actually was like hey fuck you and i think i think they might have taken it down or something i don't know what happened but it's kind of rude to put up it was pretty fucking shitty i thought it was a shitty move and i didn't uh yeah so anyway this made uh made me withdraw but jeremy it made him uh into a drinker uh he turned into a drinker he said he was never that much of a drinker before that but after that he started drinking drinking heavily all day every day even while he was training uh he was training with people uh at the gym he was drunk the whole time and at this point too he had started training other people you know intro to doing shit and he'd be drunk the whole time uh he'd be working at evenings as a bouncer at a place called ventura's table 13 and he'd be shit-faced there the whole time too uh basically just drinking the whole time his training started

to starting to abandon it and it would start to yeah exactly you can't you can't be a full-time drunk and a full-time mma fighter we we read you that schedule yeah try doing that and drinking at the same time that sounds there's no time you can't have a nine to five job never mind work fucking you know 18 hours a day on your body while you're destroying it from the inside that's the other thing too you're destroying your body from the inside doing all the work on the outside all day long meanwhile you're rotting it all while you do it not gonna work yeah so uh yeah he said it was said he turned into a destructive person. He said he was very selfish and self-centered at the time. He said he drank vodka all day, every day from 2004 to 2008, basically. Well, he said he drank vodka every day, I'm sorry, all day, every day after his brother

died. But also from 2004 to 2008, he said, quote, well, you know what? Let's do it in their own words. What do you say? We haven't done it in their own words yet. Let's give this idiot one thing to say because they're not going to teach. Tell them anything else in their own words. Quote, I stacked several kinds of steroids, stayed high with a variety of drugs, and I

couldn't say one sentence without using cuss words. I was no angel. No. He's me. Well, besides stacking several kinds of steroids and staying high with a variety of drugs, you just curse a lot, basically, is what it is. I drink and curse.

You drink and curse, but not like him. I don't think you drink like him. No, probably not. No, you're drinking water right now. Right now, I'm guzzling water, trying to get healthy. He would not be. That would be how he got healthy yeah uh so now he boxes a little bit here and and uh in 2003 uh he boxes july 3rd 2004 is his first boxing match uh does it mean he takes like an mma break here i guess i don't know what

he's thinking here but uh he fights at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Orlando. Fights Sheldon Callum, who's a 6, 16, and 3 career fighter. And Jeremy beats him by TKO there, so good for him. And then July 30, 2004, so less than a month later.

So he seems pretty enthusiastic about this boxing career. Until he fights his next fight at the Orleans Casino in Vegas. Maybe it's just because that was a real shitty casino. It's like, this casino's a dump. I don't want to do this anymore. That place sucks. I'd rather be at a high school gym in Hawaii.

It's much better. That does suck. You get booked 12 times, open mics. You can get a headline gig at the Orleans. Oh, I'm sure. Jesus Christ. I'm sure. You christ i'm sure you're not getting paid for it you get paid in the buffet ticket yeah here's your buffet ticket and we don't

really have a buffet for the customers but there's an employee cafeteria buffet discounted prime rib so you can have that not even prime rib it's just like some like it's like a like a tv dinner turkey with like gravy on it basically we have salisbury steaks for everyone it's like a TV dinner turkey with gravy on it, basically. We have Salisbury steaks for everyone. It's bottom round. We're calling it bottom round. Yeah, it's bottom, shit. Under the table round.

The prime round. Yeah, bottom round. Why is it so tough? Don't worry about it. Yeah, just chill. Oh, fuck, man. fuck keep chilling drink more water yeah you take your bite take a bite you take a sip afterwards you fucking rube tourist fucking rubes coming from all over the country they don't know to drink with their meat they

never had good meat that's the problem come to vegas they don't understand how to eat good meat i take a sip of water, chew it up. That's disgusting. Like a Triscuit. Yeah. Orlean's Buffet Prime Rib. The Triscuits of meat. Come now.

Oh, the softness of the Triscuit. Does that casino still exist? I think it does. Does it? It's such a show. I think it does. It is terrible. Yeah, it is terrible.

That just shows you how hard it is for a casino to go out of business. That shit keeps going. So, yeah. The only way they're leveling it is if they plan to build a new one. A better one. Yeah. And still call it the Orleans. Unless you're stupid enough to build one in Atlantic City.

Right. And then they all went out of business. But no one was dumb enough to do that, right? Right? Nobody. Nobody. Mm-hmm. And then they all went out of business. But no one was dumb enough to do that, right? Right? Nobody. Nobody. Anyway, the Orleans Casino, he fights Dimitrique. This is the weirdest name.

Dimitrique? Dimitrique. Dimitrique? Dimitrique, I'm going to say. Dimitrique. D-I-M-I-T-R-I-Q-U-E. Dimitrique? Dimitrique. Dimitriquay? Dimitriquay, I'm going to say. Dimitriquay. D-I-M-I-T-R-I-Q-U-E. Dimitriquay? Dimitriquay.

Dimitriquay? I don't know how to say it. Dimitriquay Edwards. It's probably Dimitrick. Dimitrick. Dimitrick, yeah. I'll bet that's what it is. Dimitrick.

Yeah, it probably is just Dimitrick. I don't know why I thought it was something bad. Jesus. It's French, right? Yeah, well, yeah. I think so. Whatever. He's probably from Quebec. Dimitrick. That's why there's a Q in it. something bad. Jesus. It's French, right? Yeah. Well, yeah. I think so. Whatever. He's probably from Quebec.

That's why there's a Q in it. Dimitriq Edwards. Dimitriq Edwards. He's from Quebec. Yes, he is 10-2-1. Dimitriq, he's very angry. He comes and he says, why you try to hit me in the face? I don't like they interview him after the match and they're like, how do you think you did today?

He goes, I thought it was very rude that man try to hit me in the face, and I say, fuck you, and he hit me again. So I say, why are you here? I blow smoke in his face, nothing happened. Not a good guy here. He called me Dimitri Key. He said, how you say your name?

I said, you stupid fucking American, and I spit on him, and then he punched me again so I I get angry and I punch him back yeah and then I win hey by TKO he won second round against him and I say fuck you weak American and that's how it work he's 10 2 and 1 career, Dimitri K. Dimitri K. Edwards. This is a TKO fight, so he's a 1-1 career boxer, and he goes back to UFC. He quit. He quit.

That's enough. But he has no fights. His last MMA fight was November 22, 2003. He does not have another MMA fight until October 15, 2005. Wow. So he has a two-year layoff from MMA, which until October 15, 2005. Wow. So he has a two-year layoff from MMA, which doesn't seem advantageous while other people are getting better. Right. But, I mean, he was boxing during that time, so he's training. But there's a lot of things, obviously, that you're not doing that other people in UFC are doing.

You're probably not grappling at all or training for that while you're training the box. Learning a new way to break somebody's arm off. Exactly. all or training for that while you're training the box new way to break somebody's arm off exactly so october 15th 2005 it's tc 10 total combat 10 just call it total fucking combat don't call it tc it's not eight words you needed to condense you didn't make anything out of it it's just tc assholes very few letters in that fuck me uh he fights christian vargas who's a four and three career fighter who's three and one coming into this fight uh jeremy wins by submission with a rear naked choke at 356 in the first round so there he goes he's turned it out he's back uh he's eight and four

at that point now of his of his hiatus and everything else uh his coach ferguson here said quote he was totally off track he wasn't the same guy uh because he was fucking drinking he was a mess he was a disaster we told you know gave you his in their own words i guess his girlfriend kicked him out no and uh this is what got really bad his girlfriend kicked him out so he started to uh he decided to move into the trunk of his toyota what uh that's where he was living was in the trunk of his Toyota. What? That's where he was living. It was in the trunk of his car. How big of a dude is this?

He's 5'10". Okay. But he didn't want people to know that he was... He didn't want people to see him sleeping in his car, so he slept in the trunk of his car. Okay. I used to know an actress girl who used to go to L.A. for, quote, auditions,

and she'd go sleep in her trunk when she went there. She'd go, I just go out there and sleep in my trunk, and I'm like, you're going to get killed. You can'd go sleep in her trunk when she went there she's i just go out there and sleep in my trunk and i'm like you're gonna get killed you can't just sleep in your trunk she's like a hundred pound chick yeah i don't know she was on like blind date i mean i kind of did that on our road back from uh from you slept in the trunk but it was in a moving car it wasn't your home i just folded the seat down and pushed my feet back there so i could stretch out yeah you bastard i wish i could have fit back there fucking honda civic i was still fucking oh i was still not good still most uncomfortable thing ever so yeah he's living in his toyota uh

and his girlfriend kicked him out uh but he was still kind of it's so weird too because he would he would like every relationship he'd be on and off with his girlfriend and he'd sleep in his car and then he'd go back for a couple days as a fighter he's unstable he's unstable and yeah he's drinking like crazy he's on like he said stacking all sorts of different steroids so i mean chemically this guy is unbalanced as shit right now there's just way too much shit going on in his head and everything going on and his girlfriend gets pregnant at this point which is a stressor um yeah so this makes him even more stressed out apparently and even more of a drinker so he's just fucking he's tumbling down a mountain right now things are going very very bad um he's never really had a good relationship with women yeah uh at this point he describes this period as basically going from female to female and living with people for as long as till they got sick of him and they kick him out.

He'd find some chick that would let him move in till they got tired of him being a drunken fucking maniac. And then they'd kick his ass out. Yeah, it's a terrible. He's got quite the existence right now going on. It sounds it sounds brutal. He meets another woman named Lily at this point. And he they get rather serious pretty quickly, as you do with a man who lives in his trunk. Absolutely.

Because you can either not go out with him or he's going to live with you. But you're not just going to be like, I go out with this guy who lives in his trunk. It's great. And like, we've been together for about a year. And sometimes I go to his place. It's a little cramped. It's a little cramped. So most of the time we hang out here.

But, you know, a lot of times we leave the lid open. You know, he's got one of those little DVD players that plugs into the cigarette lighter. So we do stuff. We have things that we can do in the car. But it's very, very romantic. Pop that trunk and look out at the stars and something. Let me tell you. What a terrible life.

It's a bad life. So anyway, he ends up moving into her house in oxnard uh but she ends up kicking him out after again shocking he's a fucking drunk drinking so in may of 2006 he gets a he gets a break at this point this is a big deal uh he's asked to be on the fourth season of the ultimate fighter how about this which is huge big break yeah i mean he might as well he was so far buried underground at this point he might as well have just disappeared and never came back so diaz got his big break and he gets a big this if you yeah you can make this your big break if you do this so uh it's the the fourth season of the ultimate fighter which if you

don't know is a reality show that ufc put on to kind of have their next big deal they let you watch somebody's up yeah up and coming right and they live in a house and you get to know their personalities that's a nice perk yeah yeah that's the other thing you get to like not live in your trunk and you get to like train properly and eat properly and shit uh but yeah they all live together and then they have to beat each other up at night and fucking figure out uh whatever so uh yeah he uh apparently though he there's a also they keep the liquor cabinet stock there which i didn't know about do they really absolutely yeah those guys at night like to have a few and uh take the edge off makes sense

and apparently after about two and a half weeks jeremy snuck out of the house uh to meet a woman which you're not allowed to sneak out of the house. So it's a violation of the show's rules. And he is kicked out and sent home in the fifth episode. Back to his car. Like a fucking dummy. What a complete God. You have a house. Never mind that you have the biggest goddamn break of your life.

And every week you're on television. You can't just wait to get pussy. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're on television. When you get done with pussy i'm sorry yeah is it that big you're on television when you get done with this the pussy train is going to be a fucking mile long idiot have some patience asshole this is ridiculous you'll hear the train stop people be knocking on the doors and windows hi i saw you on tv with your abs you're looking pretty good it's fuck man not to mention this is america in the fucking 2000s like television time is everything that's that's your that's your stock and your

trade and every time every episode you're on tv you can up your stock and up your stock and make yourself something and there's a chance that people will catch on and you can have a career god he's dumb and this idiot has to go home. And Dana White's quote on this, this is even worse. Dana White says, quote, we were looking to him as one of the top guys. Wow.

You fucking idiot. The owner of the company was looking at you. They wanted to fucking really focus on him and make him a, as the series went on. He has a great story. That's what I mean. He has a great story. The stuttering I mean. He has a great story.

Unbelievable story. The stuttering, the deafness. The dead brother. Overcoming this bullying to come back to be a fighter now. This is the story they want to tell. This isn't some big, muscled up bully. This is a guy who overcame it and is using this. This is the story they want to fucking tell to make people interested.

He wrote a note at a fighting place that said i want to be the next champion and then he says they were looking at him as one of the top guys he said quote he's one of those kids who just needs to focus no doubt and he doesn't focus uh instead he moves out and uh he gets kicked out doesn't move out and ends up moving back in with lily uh the other girl that he was with. And they get engaged after that. So he moves in, gets engaged. So he's going to settle down. What does he tell her why he got kicked off?

You know, I snuck out. I did this. I did that. Why were you leaving? To go drinking. Yeah. We're going with the guys. So, well, I guess they weren't together at that point.

So once he gets kicked out, she takes him back in. he gets kicked out again yeah because you know he's him uh he's drank like a fucking lunatic he lived in his car a little bit more uh and he said that people the show was airing at this point yeah so he'd be a fucking disastrous mess who climbed out of his car with whiskey breath and people are like hey you're the dude from fucking ultimate fighter what's up man how you doing oh how's it going wow you look like shit aren't you training what's happening like you know give it a few more episodes you'll see one of your eyes is crusted shut and what's happening here are you you all right bro like but people would would see him and he said that made him feel like everything was fine because people recognized him rather than that should depress him that he lost that opportunity to be recognized more

he saw it as people recognize me now i believe i did all i needed to do uh he said he uh he he never felt alone at this point because people would always recognize him so he felt good about himself and he said he just felt like he wasn't this that stuttering kid anymore like now he had respect and people liked him. But he's a fucking idiot because he had so much. What a dipshit. He had so much chance. He had a chance.

That's what's so goddamn annoying about it. November 11, 2006 is the UFC Ultimate Fighter 4 finale. He does fight on this card. They do let him fight on this card. He fights Pete the Secret We uh well he is he's a 25 and 24 career fighter so he's fought plenty of fights here uh jeremy this fight goes into the second round at 111 in the second round uh jeremy has to submit after uh he has a neck injury and this is a neck injury that keeps going for him he's got a he's got two bad hands and a neck injury that keeps going for him. He's got two bad hands and a neck injury the whole time.

And this really amplifies the neck injury a lot. Which, if you have a neck injury, grappling isn't the best thing for you, probably. Now, he said, quote, I felt like everything I'd accomplished up to that point had been deleted, is what he felt like at this point, because he got kicked off the show. He lost on the fucking big card. Basically, he was you know he could have if he won this he could have kept his contract and at least stayed in ufc and been able to you know make a living doing not have to live in his trunk i mean christ man um everybody everybody around him said he he just he put on

weight he stopped training everybody said he lost on weight. He stopped training. Everybody said he lost his edge. He was going to the bar, not the gym. He moved up in weight class from 170 to 185 pounds. 5'10". 5'10". So, I mean, you better be pretty fucking muscly if you're going to have those stats. But he said after a little bit of this uh of going through

this dark period uh this is this is when this fluff piece comes out after this dark period of living in his trunk and being an alcoholic and being a fucking mess he said uh once that all ends up happening and once he loses that fight at the ultimate fighter four that's why you know he has some more troubles falls down a little further and then he has a an epiphany of he can't do this anymore no he's got to get it together he said he's in a few months after that in the next few months he found focus and this this fluff piece talks all about his wonderful focus and he said quote i knew that i knew that i would feel like crap if I just kept living that drinking lifestyle.

I didn't want to be one of those guys at the bar saying I could have had the UFC title. So he doesn't want to be a woulda coulda failure is what he's saying. And he realizes that he has everything right there for him to grab, and he has fucked it up royally so far. So he wants to fix it. He says he knew what to do. far so he wants to fix it uh he says he knew what to do if he wanted to make it he knew he had to just commit himself and he needed to uh you know he needed to to commit himself to this stop drinking stop being a jackass do it the right way yeah exactly he said he uh he he ran and ran and ran and ran a lot of running to take the beer weight off which is uh yeah that sounds like a nightmare

every day he regrets every drink sweating that shit out uh he lifted weights a lot he uh he studied more jujitsu he really worked on his grappling and wrestling a lot because he said that was going to give him the edge that he needed he knew he could punch and that's not you know he was short on the on the wrestling that's what he needs to be a better fighter uh he said most of all, though, he was trying to get his head out of his ass and back toward the goal that he wanted. He said people were everyone around him was helping him in his gym. They were all lifting him up and telling him he could do it. And he said he felt great about himself at that point.

So he Jesus Christ. So he's got a fight coming up. So he Jesus Christ. So he's got a fight coming up. And five hours before the fight, he gets a phone call that the his fiancee, Lily, there who is now they're going to get married, is coming to meet him. Collapsed, I guess, on the way to Yuma to see the fight, to come to come see it, to come see him. I guess she was stabilized in an intensive care uh at the time fuck before the fight and they

didn't know what happened and they didn't know what was going on intensive care in yuma and yuma oh she's got hours to live i was gonna say intensive care in yuma is basically a tent yeah uh with a guy who used to be a nurse's aide right and that's it no that's it and they go i don't know she looks pretty fucked up what do you think well one time i was in the office and the doctor i overheard him saying this so you should look out and they're like oh damn intensive care in yuma is inattent and you're being cared for by a man named sieve yeah and he's from some other country doesn't have a care it's a different it's not exactly intensive care it's intent

care it's a totally different thing but he's a but you understand he he's a doctor in europe yeah but but he's a horse doctor they're not really europe per se um more more like eastern block like belarus but still you know you know, he's a doctor in Tajikistan. So it's a little different. It's a doctor of horseology in Tajikistan. But it's okay now. When you collapse, Siv will take care of you. Siv's going to put you in that tent and make sure.

So he didn't know what to do. She was apparently stabilized, but they didn't know what was going on. She told him that she was okay on the phone and said not to worry about it and to go out and fight instead one of his trainers said try not to think about it and he said obviously that wasn't too easy to do did not think about that

he was fighting a guy named Hector Carrillo here and Carrillo here is a longer haired guy it doesn't really look like a fighter to be honest with you from what i saw here uh he came down to born in the usa as his fucking as his uh no not him uh we've got carillo uh jackson jeremy came down to boy he's not our guy all right trust me i Trust me. Not your kind of guy. I thought you meant Hector did that shit. He comes down to born in the USA there, Springsteen.

He thought he was very confident. His parents were there because this is in Yuma. His parents are there. His old football coach is there. Friends from childhood are there and all that sort of shit. So, you know, all that sort of thing. He's, he's got a lot of people there here.

They said, uh, they said the television announcer said, quote, some people question his training methods. Well, yeah, drinking and sleeping in your trunk is an odd way of training. Drinking vodka and sleeping in your trunk is strange.

Not the, uh, the, the, the trunk training method. It's very good. Uh, he said,

quote, the question is which Jeremy Jackson is going to show up. Oh, we'll see. He secluded himself in real tight quarters. Tight quarters so he can concentrate. The only thing on his mind is this fight. He's just surrounded himself with pictures of Hector Carrillo. The only thing on his mind is this fight and carbon monoxide has no smell.

Yeah. And what time Hardee's throws shit out in the dumpster from breakfast. That too. Oh, Jesus. Oh, God. Oh, Christ. Oh, Christ. That hurts so bad. He's like, they usually throw it out at 10 on Wednesdays.

No, it's odorless. Never mind. Can you taste it? It's tasteless, too, right? So March 31st, 2007. This is TC-19. Total Combat combat 19 not for pussies 19 this is in paradise casino in yuma okay oh there is they are lying out of their ass nothing paradise about anything in yuma nothing wow nothing the balls the fucking sack on these people it's a casino

just call it Yuma casino people will go there you don't need to give it a fucking fancy name that they know is a lie because it's in Yuma uh so he fights Hector Carrillo Carrillo uh Carrillo or Carrillo is a one and three fighter coming in ends up being a five and seven fighter career uh this whole fight uh Jeremy wanted to keep it uh he wanted to stay on his feet because he's a better he's a better uh better with his hands and carillo apparently was a better is more of a grappler uh right in the beginning of the fight though within 10 seconds apparently uh this carillo uh grabbed his leg and knocked jackson down. And it was basically just they were grappling on the mat. He was landing blows on Jeremy's ribs and face and all that sort of thing.

Jeremy thought he might have underestimated him at this point. And they were all cheering him on and everything like that. He ends up getting away from him, getting away from carillo uh gets himself out of the whole thing and uh 56 seconds into the fight uh he grabs carillo and uh tosses him carillo uh uh puts his arm down to you know brace his fall and dislocates his elbow oh no so through yeah dislocates his elbow and at that point he obviously was fell on the ground his elbow bent backwards so if you do that if you fall on it the wrong way and dislocated that's painful oh i'm sure and frightening to see because it looks like your fucking arm broke in

half so uh jeremy rather than being freaked out by it sees it as a good opportunity leaps up onto carillo and just starts beating his fucking ass i'd start punching his elbow he just starts punching his face so that is what he does here it kicks are kicking his elbow all he's done yes and uh carillo ends up he can't fight back because he's got one arm he can't move and he's holding it with the other hand this guy's punching him in the face while he's sitting on his chest so the ref calls the match after that so it's about a minute into the fight. This is a TKO, they call it. But it's an injury,

basically. Nine and five career record at this point. Tortillo's... Hector Tortillo. Carrillo. Hector Tortillo.

Carrillo's really missing a golden opportunity to call himself the Tortillo. The Tortillo. I'll wrap you up. That's a great opportunity. He would crush with

that nickname that's fucking funny if his elbow doesn't dislocate well yeah that's the problem he's not crushing much with a dislocated elbow at this point so uh uh he says now uh jeremy says this is the point where he gets hooked on drugs yeah uh he gets hooked on norcos i don't know what that is uh norcos he said that one of the guys in the gym said, bro, you'll feel like Superman if you take this. You'll feel great. He said, as he said it, he said, I got hooked on Norcos instantly. They took away the pain and I was able to train as hard as I wanted. I didn't feel a thing.

So that's what he said. He said he started off with one pill every six hours. And by the end of the month, he was up to 14 a day. Whoa. Which is not one every six hours. Yeah. And he said he was up to 14 a day, and then he said it got worse because it made him very sleepy, these pills. So to offset the drowsiness, he started drinking chain-drinking Rockstar energy drinks, just pounding him so he could still train and also

he still works as a bouncer too so he's got to do that he's got a job and training and he's taking all these drugs uh this is where he said this was the whole thing uh he started buying all these pills that he could uh he said he's got you know found other dealers he could get shit from he said he was from the minute he got up to the minute he went to sleep, he always had this in his system. That's all he wanted to do. He's fighting with his girlfriend, Liz, at this point. Now he's got another girlfriend here, Liz. He's fighting with her, and he says that he begins to be violent with her from his drug problems.

His temper's fucked up. He's a mess, as we've heard. And he's treating his tempers fucked up. He's, he's a mess as we've heard. And he's treating his girlfriend like shit. And he's just being violent with her, uh, taking drugs, just raging at her cause he's on steroids and all sorts of shit too. So he's just always in a rage and he's got all sorts of other drugs.

And she's probably going like, I don't know, why are you constantly on pills and drinking vodka? And you were better when you slept in your trunk, things like that. Uh, he said at one point she called it, called her uh or she called him a drunk and that pissed him off even though he was hammered at the time you know he said like i was really hammered so it made me mad and it's like well you should probably go yeah look at the bottle you're

drinking and go i am a drunk good eye and then sit down and keep drinking i've been doing this a minute so yeah uh so he said there was some domestic violence during this time uh him on her and uh but there was never any police intervention about it as most domestic violence is is not most domestic violence is not caught no it's just not most it's non-reported, most of it. He said, quote, and this is a quote from him, as I sat there on the couch, this is of a night that he had here, he said he had a bunch of pills with him and he was very depressed. He said, as I sat there on the couch, I took all 50 pills. Then I grabbed some Oxycontin, Ecstasy, more than 50 Ibuprofen

and threw them all in my mouth. My word. I walked over to the liquor cabinet and took out some large vodka bottles. I chugged the first bottle and tossed it on the couch. Picking up the second one, I walked outside, sat on the porch, waiting for death to deliver me from my pain. I had so much in my system that I thought for sure it would be my last night on earth. I sat there drinking vodka and waiting to die.

By the way, at this point, at some point in the night, he ends up jumping off a bridge. He ends up finding himself at a bridge from one of these bridges with the dry bed bridges like in Arizona. You'll drive and it'll say, yeah, it'll say this creek, but there's no water in it. It's just a bridge over fucking dirt uh over hard hard uh what's the word hard bed i guess yeah i guess at some point he jumps off a bridge so he takes all these drugs and it's not killing him fast enough so he goes well i guess i'm gonna jump off the bridge that'll do it uh but it's not a very high bridge it's about 30 feet okay uh so he jumps 30 feet down this is the same kid who thought he could you know jump off his roof of his one-story house and kill himself so he's not he doesn't get height

very much he's just not not good with that sort of thing uh he jumps off a bridge uh said he woke up in the hospital uh you know in pain um alive though and uh you know with his legs hurting and shit like that and uh you know, a headache and a hangover, he ends up waking up in a mental hospital after that. And he spends some time in a unit after that because he needs probably some supervision, I would say, and some help if he's trying to kill himself. Did he break anything?

No, he just had some hurt himself pretty bad. He's so fucked up that he was probably like rubber. That's why drunk people don't get hurt in car accidents. They'll kill eight people and they'll stumble out of the car going what happened because they don't even fucking find knock on my window they're rubber people they just bounce off of shit huh what what yeah i think i heard a pinging in the engine i gotta take it in oh there's a toddler in there fuck there's a whole family there's a toddler in my carburetor shit that's his little shoe got sucked into the intake can you imagine being a homeless guy living under that bridge

and you just see a crumpled up hey what the fuck was that go over oh good he's got pills on him excellent that's what i was looking for not bad here uh so yeah he he's really just in a fucking i don't even know how to put it just in a bad it's over man in a bad state uh terrible yeah he uh after this though after this he uh he gets enough he goes back with this liz woman yeah he gets a nicer place with her and uh this is fucking amazing they move into a nicer place yeah and um they're been there like a week and they had to get carpeting put into this place and within a week this is not a fucking joke within a week uh the carpet man comes over and installs the carpet the entire time he is installing the carpeting he is preaching jesus to them. He's talking about, you know, Jesus, this and rather than kick this guy the fuck out of your house, which is what I would do with a carpet guy.

So you got two choices. You either shut the fuck up or get the get out of my house with this Jesus shit. I will lay this carpet down myself with fucking Elmer's glue if I have to and not hear your bullshit. The carpet guy is telling him about Jesus. The carpet guy is preaching about Jesus. Meanwhile, this guy is a fucking carpet guy is telling him about jesus the carpet guy is preaching about jesus meanwhile this guy's a fucking carpet guy yeah no offense to carpet guys if you're a carpet person out there but that's not your life's goal is to lay carpeting but you're probably not you know up to your maximum income potential is what i'm getting at also i am impressed that he has moved

so far in life that he's letting him get carpeting inside yeah that's that's not putting it out that's a plus that's a plus well we don't know where it was being it might have been being installed right out the side the back door on the back porch so apparently this guy uh afterwards after they get uh jesus fucking christ man and i feel like this is bullshit too you're gonna in the end i'll explain it but i feel like he's just setting it up for why he's a good guy now yeah like i feel like this didn't actually happen now then i feel like he like this didn't actually happen then. I feel like he made this up, but I'm not sure. Apparently, the guy then out in the driveway before he left preached to them for an hour and a half.

An hour and a half. And he said his girlfriend Liz was like, wow, that was a lot, huh? Jesus, that was a little more than we bargained for for carpet installation. Jeremy, though, though said not really man i was kind of into what he was saying i'm buying this i was digging this shit he said that sunday they went to church oh god it was the first time either of them had been to church in years and

they were like all that and he said from then on all jesus all the fucking time no mr jesus and he's just a good guy just on the jesus and everything's fine and uh after church too the they go to church on sunday for the very cry who the hell knows when the last time when this guy went to church was it's the first time it's probably the first time he's like i think i went to a communion when i was mexican kid i knew when i was 12 i think he had a confirmation or something i had to go to i don't know shit there uh so but they start a night they start a new routine uh they go to church uh there in yuma which are not in human wherever they are and then afterwards they go out to eat which is nice like a family day and uh one time the place they normally go there was a fire there

yeah which is i guess a bad sign you come from church to find your restaurant burned down. I think you're praying wrong. You're just praying wrong. So they find another place, and they figure they try that out, and they walk in, and it's the shawarma man. And he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here?

I don't understand why you come here. You jump off bridge. You should just die, I think. You know what? I have a suggestion for you. This is very easy. You do. You go.

Next time, use gun. Work much better. You use gun. You put in mouth. Brain on the wall. That's over. You have no more problem. I don't understand. I do for you. You sit. I do for you because I think you put in mouth, brain on the wall. That's over. You have no more problem. I don't understand.

I do for you. You sit. I do for you because I think you got problem. Hey, what do you want, lamb? I make for you. You haven't done to me. You're just stupid. I make for you. It's fine.

It's fine. You do what? Why you beat your girlfriend up, you say? Why you do that? That's nothing. No, the signs say closed. You go. You go.

No, your signs say closed. Out. No, go. Go. And he leaves and he's very confused. The girlfriend, though, Liz, she got a nice lamb shawarma and thought it was delicious, but she wouldn't give him a bite, which shawarma man said, not for him. He's giving suicide.

He is not for him eating. He go go. He said, maybe next time you blow brains out. It'll work better. It works. Much, much more reliable than a 30 foot dirt fucking you're not even gonna drown afterwards that's the thing you're gonna hit and if that doesn't kill you you're just gonna lay there in the turf that's awful that sounds terrible that's a bad way to go you can't

even try to drown so uh july of 2008 uh this is this is what i mean he had uh everything was fine as of well you know early 2008 everything was going great march 31st 2070 and his big fight everything was going wonderfully after that he finds jesus in a carpet man yeah he's he gets carpet jesus what the fuck is that about by the way that's that guy's job he goes around laying carpets preaching to people fuck i'd be afraid of getting killed doing that he's the in and out burglar of carpet he is so let me tell you guys something the staple in between everything is punctuated by that's what would crack me up just the tack thing yeah so i'm gonna tell you right now now you've been feeling troubled in your life right now the okay now jesus like you can't take that

seriously i'm sorry he's got that knee thing that he's slamming his knee into yeah he's just so uh uh liz and he ends up uh uh breaking up with his girlfriend here uh she kicks him out again because uh yeah now he's a fucking alcoholic drug addict who's into Jesus and a fail. There's too much going on here. There's just too much. There's a lot. There's a lot. So he gets kicked out July, July, I think, 8th.

It's 8th, 2008, because there was conflicting reports on the date. Exactly. Because it was a nighttime thing. He ends up being arrested for quite a bit of fucking insanity here. I wouldn't even call this debauchery. This is just insanity. What he does, what this crazy lunatic does, is he breaks into his ex-girlfriend's house with a gun. Okay.

Threatens her. Threatens the bushwarmer, man. Yes, he did get a gun. Threatens her uh uh attacks her holds a gun to her head and rapes her while holding her against her will fuck and then steals a bunch of shit why would he do this and leaves she knows you she knows you yeah he's intimidating her and he tried to hold the gun on her and tell her not to say anything because he'll fucking kill her and all this shit by the way it's a bb gun he's got the whole time uh he doesn't even have a real fucking

gun uh this is horrible he terrifies this girl holds her holds her the whole night uh you know hitting her raping her threatening her with a gun uh you know a fucking nightmare absolute nightmare monster behavior where did this come from uh out of nowhere it just happened he was fighting with her and she didn't want anything to do with him and he fucking lost his mind who knows what kind of drugs he was on and drinking and brain damage and every other goddamn thing that's going on and uh he's a bit of an asshole here uh so he's arrested on rape assault kidnapping burglary you know intimidating a witness you name it it. It's a long list of charges here. It is two counts of forcible rape, kidnapping to commit another crime, first degree residential

burglary, assault with a firearm, dissuading a witness by force or threat and criminal threats. My Christ. That's a lot. Yeah, that's really bad shit. He's being held at the he was being held at the Todd Road jail. His bail set at one million dollars, which is a lot for a guy who lives in his trunk. Yeah, an awful lot.

He was scheduled to enter a plea. And yeah, this is on fucking real. So he's in jail here. And he wants he said he was calling his mother asking her to bail him out. She's going to bail out her rapist son now? With a million dollars. Get out of his fucking mind? When they live in Imperial, California.

They don't have it. Their house probably isn't worth 10% of that shit, to even put it up. It's Imperial, California. He said he would call and say, Mom, bail me out, please. And he said he'd ask her to bail her out, and she would tell him to, quote,

give his life to Jesusesus she said jeremy you need to pray sincerely and give your heart to god which i don't think that'll get you out of jail um i don't know uh she he said that uh he was going to church and uh he was praying now he was praying before every meal he didn't understand it he thought that you know god should have been on his side at this point what the fuck here uh she? She said, I've been sitting here and all you can do is talk about God. And he said, this isn't about God. I need to get bailed out. Quit bringing God into this.

And she said, son, you need to give your life to God. That's all she would ever say. In other words, I'm not paying a million dollars for anything you've done. Carpet Jesus fucked him. He said, quote to her, I gave my life to God a long time ago. What are you talking about? I'm a Christian. I've been a Christian since I was a child.

I was rebaptized in 2006. Now, two years later, now you're telling me to give my life to God? Doesn't she think I'm a Christian? And then she would say he would be so mad at her and be all angry that she wouldn't bail him out. Because he didn't realize, realize though the whole time that he really wasn't quite godly yet okay he'll get there okay he'll get there you have no idea how's this plea gonna go february 14th 2011 yeah oh jesus almost almost this is over two years in jail yeah he sits before this is all going wow oh yeah this, yeah. This is sitting, getting, this is percolating. He sat in county all this time?

Two years. Oh, shit. Over two years, which is fucking miserable. Oh, my God. People in jail can't, like, when they know they're going to actually be convicted, they want to get it over with so they can get sentenced to prison so they can settle down. And everybody, all the prisoners say prison has better food, has better facilities. You'd rather be in prison than county jail for an extended period of time.

Nobody wants to spend a year in county jail. That's usually the worst food, the worst conditions, the worst all that kind of shit. More dangerous in states sometimes, but still. They've got extended stay county jail on fucking Netflix. It is horrible. It's fucking horrible. It's a nightmare. Dog shit.

I read a book about a guy who was in the in the phoenix jail not even the tents he was in like the jails around here in the city for you know two years waiting for shit and it was a fucking sounded night it was a nightmare it's a diary wrote in there it's crazy it's crazy it was an english dude who was like ran raves out here in tempe poor fucking guy he got raided uh for like drug shit that happened a year before he wasn't even doing he wasn't even doing drugs or having being a drug dealer anymore but it was like all old shit that they had done wired taps on and all this shit it's pretty fucking it's pretty rough this uh this whole book but uh phoenix is a scummy place let me tell you

judge by the characters in the jail so uh february 14th 2011 against his lawyer's advice his lawyer is to you have a lawyer for a reason they give you advice two things when you get put into it when the police interrogate you don't say anything ask for a lawyer number one number two when you get that lawyer fucking listen to him listen to them they went to law school you didn't they've done this before you fucking haven't listen to them they might know law school you didn't they've done this before you fucking haven't listen to them they might know what they're talking about they might not but you definitely don't so i don't know if ted bundy had listened he would have gotten life and i was just gonna say if ted bundy listened to his fucking lawyers yeah he would not have he wouldn't have been

electrocuted we could have been making fun of him still. Now, he looks all funny old. We could have been picking on him. So instead of this, he decides to plead guilty at this point. His lawyers are saying, do not plead guilty to this. Do not plead guilty. He says he can't take it anymore. He's going to plead guilty rather than he faces up to 60 years of convicted holy so he's just he says he's under too much pressure uh his attorney russell baker said his client was innocent of the crimes and only admitted to them because of the crushing weight of the

trial and that the accusations were a heavy mental burden on him, which sounds like bullshit, but whatever. The Ventura County Star, that's the newspaper, the fluff piece, they said that they put in this a female juror while this, during sentencing, because the trial had started, a female juror asked to make a statement during sentencing

on his behalf. Really? And was denied by the judge. And afterward, the juror told the newspaper that she feels that Jeremy was innocent and pleaded guilty only out of a desire to end the trial. Really? Because they were really going into his past and digging shit up and talking about his family. They were going after him. I mean, they had to paint him as a fucking monster who was messed up in the head and paint who he is, like we just did for two and a half hours. But thinking he's innocent of this shit?

So what does she think fucking happened? She says that she thinks the girl made it up. She thinks the girl made the whole thing up, apparently. This is a female juror. Yeah, this is a female juror, too. She said, quote, I really felt the defendant was innocent. So he was going to get off, or at least get a mistrial. he had one juror that was 100 i think he's innocent period and uh yeah so i mean he's at least gonna get a mistrial and instead uh uh ventura the county prosecutor here said that he

could have faced 60 years to life and uh there was ample evidence to convict him of his crimes including surveillance footage and a recorded call between Jackson and his ex-girlfriend in which he admits to planning the attack. She called. I wish I don't have the text of this, but she called him to get him to make him admit it like they do. So she called him to say, like, why did you do that? And say, you know, and then he would apologize and all that shit, but act like she wasn't

recording it when she was the whole time so uh yeah he uh he pleads guilty to this which pleading guilty to those things sound fucking terrible terrible good christ yeah those are charges you got to fight to the end if you think you're innocent especially but i don't feel like he's innocent number one but what do i know i feel like he did this i believe this girl i don't feel like he's innocent, number one, but what do I know? I feel like he did this. I believe this girl. I don't think she had any fucking reason to lie about it. And judging on his past behavior, it seems right in line with his past behavior. He's reckless. Especially with the domestic violence he admitted to and everything else. Anyway, sentencing comes around.

Yeah. And he faced 60 to life, but now he pleads guilty and he thinks maybe they'll go easy on him for this. And what do you think, Jimmy? They're going to go easy on him? No, Chris, no. The judge says, you says you sir this is a good one too you sir may fuck off uh 25 to life my christ 25 to life that's a fuck off oh boy that is the longest sentence we've had on this show in a while yeah that's when's the last time we had 25 to life with a murder a while back

i don't even remember anthony davis maybe because he killed four fucking people not the center for the fucking pelicans the other no no the uh the defensive lineman for the uh for the raiders who anthony smith anthony davis anthony smith there you go is the yeah guy we're talking about did we have an anthony davis brutally murdered multiple people uh yeah 25 to fucking life that's what keith wright got who's an old uh we'd gotten one of the first 25 episodes we did a crime in sports who uh did the same exact thing as this guy except to a stranger right and uh the whole thing but he got 25 to life in california also i believe it was yeah i believe it was so that's at least whatever i mean jesus

christ that's that's a that's a tough law but they deserve it because fuck you can't do that kind of shit you can't no you can't be fearful in your house that's one thing you can't be especially in your own bed i feel bad for anybody who's fearful in your own bed not nearly as bad as i feel though yeah gotta be honest with you for jeremy jackson md oh my god this is gonna be so long md no no i i could i could have done 10 000 so i just broke it to the three funniest here let's just do it this way jeremy jackson md a consultant at the boston consulting group in los angeles it's uh god you know yeah it's uh he worked with the u.s department of veterans affairs before and all that sort of thing uh women's hospital children's hospitals better not rape any of them mr jackson he seems like a nice guy uh jeremy jackson a dev a different mma fighter

no with a one and two career record that with fights in 2012 so when he came up it was the next year after he got convicted so he had been in the paper and if you google search jeremy jackson mma it is all fucking rape rape rape 25 to life rape rape kidnapping and then this fucking guy on page three going i did it too but not that far half of this he has a one in two career record and he probably still only quit because it was too much people are like i'm not fucking because you'd probably book the guy and they're like did he get arrested for rape i'm not booking that fucking guy it's not me i swear i'm oscar.com

dot com he should change his name to oscar he really should he really fucking should change his name to oscar that would be amazing oh christ i just pictured tambor on the thing so uh yeah uh so uh and then finally jeremy jackson an actor who was on baywatch and celebrity big brother who was sentenced to jail in 2015 after pleading guilty to stabbing a woman in Hollywood. He was stabbing. He had some sort of craziness and apparently was trying to steal this woman's boyfriend's

car. And so she said something and he fucking stabbed her. But at least he didn't rape her. But he didn't rape her. That's the truth. So he's also in California jail. Wow. Our guy is in Chino doing his time. Not having fun there, I assume.

Chino's not going either. But let me tell you something. If you can't get enough of Jeremy Jackson, what you can do is you can read his fucking book that he wrote in jail. Oh, he wrote a book. All right. He wrote a book all right uh he wrote a book uh all about his life and his upbringing and shit like that and uh the book is called the real comeback yeah you are not what are you fucking talking about you're never doing you're not you

are 25 to life number one so when you come back you're going to be an old man with a droopy skin scorpion tattoo on your tip good job with that Your tattoo's going to be on your thigh. Yeah, you got that. There's no coming back from this. And guess what? Everyone says, oh, that's convicted rapist and kidnapper, so and so. So that puts a damper on your thing here. He says, this is his explanation for writing the book, from the book, quote, I actually spend money on this thing.

It was only $2.99, so it's fine. People told me if I, I looked for it to pirate first. I was like, I'm not giving this guy money. And then I'm like, I got to give him $2. People told me if I write a book, if I wrote a book explaining the truth of my life, the prison would never release me. They said people would lose respect for me. You're a convicted rapist. I don't think you can lose any respect, any more than that.

I'm not writing this book to try and gain respect, exclamation point. I am that. I'm not writing this book to try and gain respect. Exclamation point. I am writing. I'm not writing this book to glorify myself. My motivation to write this is to help you understand that there is more to life than chasing sex, alcohol, drugs and entertainment. None of these things ever really satisfies. It always leaves you wanting more and more. Wondering why none of it seems to fill that empty void in your heart.

Only God can fill that spot. Oh, boy. I wrote this book thinking of you. It's to give you hope that no matter what addictions you may have, you can be set free. No matter what your failures are, you can get back up and make a great comeback. I didn't start living until I surrendered my life to the One, capital One, who created me. until I surrendered my life to the One, capital One, who created me.

His name is Jesus Christ. For him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. Romans 11.36. That's what he put at the end of it. All that shit that he said, though, we all know that. Also, the deepest desire of our heart is for a union with God. God created us for a union with himself.

This is the original purpose of our lives. That's what he also put in there. Jeremy Rhea Jackson, Chino, California. That's him in jail and prison. He's going to be there a while. Yeah. So, I don't know. Catch up with Jeremy by figuring out where he is in Chino but don't write the actor because there's another one.

That poor fuck. He's like I swear I didn't rape anybody. I mean I know I stabbed somebody. That's not the best decision you could make. Probably got attempted murder charges huh? Yeah yeah well he ended up pleading down and he had a good lawyer because he's an actor and he listened and he listened to the lawyer

and he ended up doing like a year in jail whereas this guy is doing 25 to life but he did rape a woman so that is way worse and it's worse than stabbing I think

especially if you hold a gun to their head insane I don't know if there's even even qualifiers on that it's just bad shit it's too much not a good job

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No. But we don't know. Could be a chick named Jamie. Could be a dude named Jaime. We have no idea. Could be a dude named Jaime who changed his last name because he no fucking idea job and didn't want to get racially profiled. Oh, my.

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The show, they messed up the times where the show started an hour later than everybody thought it was going to start, and it pissed everybody off, and everybody was in a bad mood, including us. Right. And it was still a good show, and we had fun, but it wasn't that good experience

where you want everything to fall into place. And this time, we were at the Neptune in Seattle, and the venue was wonderful. Everybody that worked there was fantastic treated our audience like gold that Johnny stage man Gabriel was great for us thank you guys for everybody there

everybody took care of us and took care of our audience we had a fantastic show and got to meet a bunch of people and it was a lot of fun so thank you Seattle again and come out to West Palm and join the fun there and uh what if people wanted to join your fun jimmy how could they find you you can find me at wisman sucks w-h-i-s-m-a-n sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat and it's fucking great to hear from

you guys and find out all the the fascinating stuff that makes up your life so thank you for everything that you send to me i appreciate it where can they find you you can locate me at uh at jimmy p is funny or i just copy and paste my last name from the show description and uh don't be a hero guys it's it's just copy and paste yeah rather than go back and go was there an eye in there the fuck is that so uh jesus christ with that said guys crazy episode behind us uh more crazy coming up in the next couple weeks uh like we've said really good one next week and then two weeks from now is the scummies uh so it's a great episode and then you're going to get a bonus

like half hour of scummies afterwards and i would like to tell everyone if you're still listening you're a hardcore listener uh there will be we do bonus content on small town murder uh just want to tell you guys we're going to do bonus content for patreon, too. Fantastic. We're going to do it all. We have a thing through our network where we have to put out a bonus content for Stitcher Premium where we answer emails and stuff like that. We're going to do a similar thing for Patreon and give you guys some extra stuff, too, because you guys have supported us so much. And we don't want you to think that you're not getting anything for that. So we're definitely going to do that, too. We needed to figure out how it was going to happen and how it would line up with the

other stuff and now that the now that the stitcher stuff is in place now we can do our stuff so if you have things you want to contribute to that yes tweet it at us with the hashtag stm bonus stm bonus and we will look at it and uh any and it could be anything i do questions for us ideas for what to do for bonus content something you want guys want. This is your show. Yeah, that's your show. Bonus content's 100% your show. We're just there to serve you. So tell us what you want us to do for you.

And Jesus Christ, I think that's about it as far as that goes. Everybody, live from the Crime and Sports Studios, we will see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.