Crime in Sports - #150 - Aristotle In His Underpants - The Philosophicalness of Stephen Bailey

Episode Date: February 19, 2019

This week, we look at a man from a prominent, and respected sports family, who followed in his legendary grandfather's footsteps... For a while, anyway. He was always considered a kind, quiet guy, until mental illness started to take over. After a few years of psychotic incidents, such as believing that his sister was an ISIS clone, sent to destroy him, or that he is actually the offspring of Greek Gods. Not to mention, thinking was Jesus for a little while. Needless to say, this situation devolves into scariness, and murder! This is one interesting Australian!! Follow in Grandpa's footsteps & make your family proud, proclaim that you're actually Aristotle, and murder a close family member for no good reason with Stephen Bailey!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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it and we're going to have a long list of those producers at the end of the show. But for now, we have to get to the story. My goodness. It's a weird story, man. This is a really odd story. I was reading this and I'm like, wow, this is odd. It's Australian. So it's Australian rules football. So as we do with any foreign sport or just any case in general uh we do ask that you find our ignorance

charming yeah that's what we ask because we don't know we don't know your sport's weird we're trying and uh we're not trying that hard to really learn all that much about it but you know we're just gonna have a good time listen your sports like eminem's beard yeah it's it's sort of there it's weird it's a little spotty a little spotty well A little spotty. Well, let's talk about this guy. He is Stephen Patrick Gregory Bailey, which sounds like the most Irish man ever. Say his name again. Stephen Patrick Gregory Bailey. Yeah.

That's a lot of Irish. That's an Australian guy? That's an Australian guy. Stephen Bailey is what he goes by. Drops the two middle names. Good call. drops the two middle names good call but they're family names and we'll find out this is a this is a big uh blue blood wealthy uh well-known spread out family yeah this is uh these these people are are they do well and everybody in the family does well and they're just one of those families that

you look at and you go how is no one crazy there i look at my family and i'm like we could put that together no this person's crazy that's they'd take the whole thing down we can't have that just a dynasty of of sane reasonable people who do diligent work and that doesn't happen no is that how many people in your family i'll forget it i think about it all the time like a lot of people go why aren't we rich i know exactly why we're not rich that's what i mean look at I know exactly why we're not rich. That's what I mean. Look at the fucking mirror, people. We're not saying goddamn crazy. Look at everybody. They're all just be broke tomorrow.

It's right back in this boat. Everybody's crazy. Yeah. These people, Bill, they're all all the kids are confident and they're all like, you know, well spoken when they're 13. No, those I don't understand those people. I don't know how they do it. No, they're I swear they're all robots.

All of them. What other explanation is there? That they do it. No. I swear they're all robots. All of them. What other explanation is there? Just that they're hardworking and they listen to authority? They don't exist. Who does that? No, they don't exist in real life, I don't feel like. Because, like I said, very few members of my family could have ever done anything like this at all. So Stephen Bailey, he's born in 1981 into, like I said, a wealthy, influential family.

And they're very much into Australian rules football. His mother is Penelope Bailey. She goes by Penny, and she's well known as well. Good choice. She's the daughter of Laurie Kerr. Laurie Kerr is a man, first of all. Really? The English and the Australian South African, English English speaking white people in non-American countries seem to really enjoy naming men.

Laurie, there's a lot of them. There's another Laurie that's a cricket player who we're going to do an episode on. What is a Laurie? Isn't there a Laurie that's like a fucking like? Well, there's L-O-R-R-I-E and that's the common one I see. But this is actually L-A-U-R-I-E, and that's the common one I see. But this is actually L-A-U-R-I-E. That is a woman's name. Like a woman named Laurie, but he's a man, which threw me off completely.

Because I'm like, a woman played Australian rules football? That's amazing. That got me interested in the story right there. I was like, this dude's mom played Australian rules football? Awesome. She must have been a bad bush bitch, man. Think about that she must have been just a bad popping out of shit attacking people with her would have been awesome she's just a

tough one a tough lady yeah i don't know if uh i'm just popping out of the bush ha i'm here to play australian rules people just want hey mate we're gonna go play some little little footy and then she just pops out back it's out from behind a fucking shrubbery. She does it nude and it's not even vulgar because she's got so much ample bush. Everything's hidden. I guess we'll let her play then. I don't know. She popped out and there she is.

It's the only way she could. She couldn't leave the house going, I'm going to play too. They're like, no, they leave her behind. She has to hide along the way and just join the group. I'm the extra man. Here we go. So Penny Bailey, daughter of Laurie Kerr. Like we said, Laurie Kerr is her father.

Laurie Kerr played 149 games for the Carlton Football Club in the 1950s. And he was named to the club's team of the century. So he's like a legend among that football club. He was a good player. Really, really good player. Vice captain. Member of the team of the century. He was kind of hot shit there.

He was a big-time member of that team. Now, his first name is Lawrence, by the way. But they call him Laurie for some reason. No. Why would you do that? How about Larry? It's Larry. It's Larry.

There's no Laurie. There's no Laurie. I'm going to start calling anyone I know named Larry, Laurie from now on. You're now Laurie. Sorry. In Australia, you're Laurie. Yeah. I'm sorry to inform you of that.

Dr. Larry Nassar, I guarantee, is now going by Laurie. Probably. He must. Even if it's not voluntary, he's still doing it. He's definitely going by Laurie. So he plays in the 50s. He went to St. Kevin's College, which is later on, a bunch of the family members go there later on. It's all a big dynasty thing here.

He was either a winger, a centerman, or a half-forward flanker. I don't know what that is. I don't know what any of that is. How do you get to be a half-forward? A half-forward flanker. So that's like three different things yeah you're you're a hat you're half forward so you should be up there but you're kind of here and you're also a flanker which is a totally separate position in american football so i have no idea this is bizarre what the hell's going on uh prior to uh he played like we said we played he played for carlton he was a

uh victorian school boy sprint champion champion there also in his time. So he's a very fast guy. Very successful dude. Just a very successful dude. He ran a big PR firm when he retired. We'll talk a little bit. Very successful. I mean, just everything these people do, they succeed at.

Whether it's football or business or anything, they're just like, great oh and our kids go into college and he's gonna be drafted by the like what the fuck what is happening but also named lori everyone i know their kids are in therapy and it's a disaster and everybody's you know we're trying to get them through i don't know anybody like this we're all trying to pull our kids through are either your kids bound for this sort of easy greatness well uh no no you're gonna have to wrangle them mine too you have to wrangle them i'll be lucky if my kids do anything uh outside of video games that's my son he he's a he's a gamer that's his yeah yeah yeah that's which just means he's 10 well this means he sits up at two o'clock in the morning

calling a man with a wife a bitch yeah that's what's hilarious and my daughter uh he's 10 well this means he sits up at two o'clock in the morning calling a man with a wife a bitch yeah that's what's hilarious and then my daughter uh he's calling people with mortgages right fucking names yeah and then my daughter calls me a bitch so it's all working out you have to really reevaluate your life if you're the man playing at two in the morning having a child to call you a bitch you have to go where did i go where did i go wrong what watching the super bowl this year because i sat up late uh a couple of times in the past i don't know a couple of months playing like an xbox game with my sons and trying to figure out nba 2k 18 yeah because i was too cheap to buy 19 well but so like you know the updated rosters anyway give a fuck you don't care no uh you can always trade this one right i recognize

like 19 players yeah uh so i i was up late at night and playing online and some kids are calling me horrible names i'm like look motherfucker i don't know this game i'm trying i'm right be nice trying to restore order at two in the morning with a bunch of fucking angry then i watched the caffeine at riddled children then i watched the super bowl and i saw how they're they're uh outfitting children with disabilities how to play i'm like that's probably the kid that was calling me a bitch yeah that's the thing kid's missing an arm and he's making fun of me this is fucked up yeah he's better at football that's the prior basketball in this case he dunked on me with

curry this motherfucker christ with curry even that's crossed me up with harden jeez what a dick see these kids this imagine in 1955 if a 10 year old boy called a grown man a bitch i'll forget it he would beat him severely then take him home to his father and go i beat your son severely and he'd go good i'm gonna fucking finish the job thanks thanks for starting him off your son severely and he'd go good. I'm going to fucking finish the job. Thanks. Thanks for starting him off. Your son called me a bitch. That's why he's welted. Well, why isn't he bleeding? I softened him up for you.

The dad would kick the shit out of you too. You get beatings from anyone around for that. Now it's we don't care. It's like, oh, I don't know. It's unfortunate. So now his Stephen's grandmother. This is his mother's mother here. These are his mother's parents we're talking about.

I don't know. His father didn't come from anything, any great line of shit. Laurie didn't? No, no, Laurie. I'm talking Stephen's father. Oh, okay. Stephen's mother, Penelope Penny. Yeah.

She came from Laurie. Got it. And Vivian. Oh. Who's her mother. And she is the number one female ticket holder at this stadium for Carlton. They keep track of that they do they all have numbers for quote subscribers i guess that's like season ticket holders and i guess she i don't

know has the most season tickets of anyone she's a giant block of them i guarantee you the nfl doesn't give a fuck who has a ticket they don't care who has it they're not keeping track of that well i mean corporations do and they kiss their balls but it's behind closed doors it's not some lady like i buy tickets for my family me whole family comes and it doesn't know it's not the ceo of pepsi they keep track of that but he overpays for those also you know what i mean true he's paying like 30 million dollars yeah you know it's true and this lady's paying 50 bucks a game yeah they aren't keeping track of that at all you have to understand too before we get into the whole australian thing because later on there's a lot of gossip and shit you have to understand australia is a big small

town the whole country is a big small town let me explain australia before there's five million people we get it we know we know how many people are in the cities the whole country has a population of 25 million people whole country whole fucking country that's not even new york city guys that's that's new york's but that's like the los angeles metropolitan no no no the state of new york doesn't have that money no no state of new york doesn't have that many but california that's like basically like southern california but that's your whole country they have 30 million in la i almost it's a bit not not 30 but that's your whole country. Do they have 30 million in LA? Almost.

It's a bit, not, not 30 million, but I think the whole metropolitan area is like 20 million or 18 million or something. So, I mean, that's,

if you add that and you, you throw in San Diego, there you go. That's Australia. LA and San Diego is the entire, is the entire country of Australia. So it's kind of like their news and shit like that. Like it's regional also also but it's also

everything is like a big small town it would be like an la news broadcast it would be you know like a big like the robert blake case or something in la was like a big deal yeah and so everybody followed it because it's like that's their town that's the whole country there so it's really we have to get that right away it's not a giant population so it's it's a it's a it's a different thing and they're on an island so and they're all on the beach yeah they're all spread around the whole thing is just like a big middle people yeah well like this country the middle's empty too it's a weird i know there's people there but it's not the density of it is not the same if you look at a

density map it's by the fucking water that's where people go so that's why that's where towns start and shit like that so yeah uh also uh her his mother's aunt is the uh is the president of the women of carlton coterie group what is the code i have no fucking idea how do you spell that c-o-t-e-r-i-e i think it's just a uh i think they're like the supporters i think they make they make all the coats they sew them by hand and they send the boys off to battle in them. They send them off to battle in these coats. They're all dusty. Sewing gold buttons on shit.

One sleeve's longer than the other. Wartime rations. Or is it a cottery, and they make all the cots? Maybe. It's possible. Some sort of support group. Now, his grandparents, Vivian and laurie were married forever uh they met when they were teenagers when he was 17 and she was 15 uh she said she thought she'd never see the guy

again but then she ended up seeing him again it quote quote uh she was stepping out of the surf in her woolen bathing suit yeah a woolen bathing suit what the fuck are you wearing is he wearing a bathrobe is there no cotton in australia did you just get cotton over there what the hell is happening the woolen swimsuit in my head looks ugly it looks as if it's hanging off of you when it gets wet too it would like sag they go make her look like she had a nutsack dangling down oh that's a nice nutsack just shit in the water so yeah uh so i guess uh she he was he was she was a lifeguard and he was he came to see her at work and that was it a lifeguard wears wool like a woolen lifeguard outfit because you're in and out of the water all the time you think you'd have the best bathing suit going yeah i got some

cotton from the states you'd say you know we lost another this week i would have caught him but my swimsuit drugged me down sunk me right down to the bottom of the ocean i was tangled in kelp i apologize that's what happens sorry i would have saved him how many woolen bathing suit deaths could have been avoided in australia i just want to know that right now if you had cotton or god forbid lycra jesus christ god forbid lycra the population would be 30 million right now it's 5 million in lycra non-lycra cotton deaths woolen drownings they call them over there it's a very common thing is there is her grandmother knitting her a fucking swimsuit that just sounds like it would not be it would drag down you have to be pulling it up all the

time even if it's super tight and wouldn't it shrink in the sun afterwards if you went in the water got back out in the hot australian sun and next thing you know you're just your nipples are covered or the or the the sun just dries it out and stretches it further. Oh, yeah. Then the woolen loses its elasticity. So everybody's walking around in a burlap sack, basically. My bikini burlap. You ever gotten a sweater wet and then it just fucking...

Yeah. It used to be on my wrists and now it looks like I'm fucking Stretch Armstrong. Come to think of it, burlap would make a better bathing suit than wool. Basically anything would make a better bathing suit than wool. Basically, anything would make a better bathing suit than wool. Anything. Wool sounds terrible. I don't think I've ever seen a sheep swim. No.

Wool and bathing. What the fuck is wrong? You don't even get wool wet. You have to dry clean that shit. Like, what are you doing? It's nuts. They're putting that shit in the ocean. In salt water.

I don't know what to say my head is spinning spinning right now so uh she said uh Vivian said quote he never had another girlfriend and I never never had another boyfriend oh so they got married they had nine children wow and 34 grandchildren who has had that many grandchildren with their one-night stand? She didn't even expect to see him again. Teenage one-night stand. Yeah, he liked the way their wool was hanging off her. And next thing you know, they're hooking up, and here we go. Nine children, 34 grandchildren.

And this isn't like trailer trash nine kids. They're spitting them out like, what are we going to do? I don't know. I guess we'll get more food stamps. This is a fucking, these people had money and they were like taking care of all these people and they're all successful and one of the 34 grandchildren is our guy steve fantastic so uh also 24 great-grandchildren jesus so that's uh wow um now she this is successful the grandmother vivian uh bred a prize-winning herd of angus cattle oh also during

this whole thing and it was apparent as big in the art community also as a big art patron. She has a bunch of paintings that are, I guess, popular in Australia. Australian people, I don't know. Australian Whistler's mother. in other parts of the world a lot of the australian artists because for uh up until about 25 years ago it was actually australian law that every painting had to be of a man and a kangaroo so i mean you could do different takes on interpretations and things like that but it just didn't spread to the rest of the boxing painting it's the thing it was a boxing glove they're squaring off they're at their arm around each other playing poker you know you know what I mean? Yeah, that kangaroo's always cheating.

Playing footsie under the table, like on a Ferris wheel box, you know, going over a thing. There's a lot of different, the farmer couple with the pitchfork is one of those. There's a lot of different interpretations. But in the end, it was law that it had to be a man and a kangaroo only. So, very difficult. Not a big market for that. It's not a big market outside of Australia, obviously. So, you know, it happened.

So now they're back into everything. Once they dropped the ban on all the aboriginal art. That's the thing. Once they started letting that shit go. Yeah, then it was. Then they started making some cash. Absolutely. Yeah, then they started making some cash.

Absolutely. So now, Laurie, Stephen's grandfather, was a newspaper journalist when he was young, very young. The Argus newspaper. They ended up sending him to the University of Melbourne to get a degree to be one of their journalists. But he ended up going there. He was going to get a master's degree, which he ended up getting later on but he ended up uh being into athletics there and he was really fast and ended up uh basically the carlton football team persuaded him to try to play football great which they used to do in the even in american football in the 50s if they had

somebody who was a 50s and 60s uh they would they would just they would sign them up they would draft like olympic sprinters in the 15th round that never have played football in their life and they'd go you never know and sometimes it worked out what's his name for the cowboys of 61 they drafted him i think he's a hall of famer uh no no he's a he's a that's all i got god damn it it's i'm drawing a complete blank don't tweet me because i know it and it's now i'm just drawing a blank but he's a goddamn hall of famer they started him out as a kick punt returner he was a he was a uh a wide receiver and he ran crazy fast they drafted him like the 15th round on a whim and he ended up saying yeah i'll give it a shot and he could

fucking play which doesn't happen a lot but that's kind of what happened to lori here so uh yeah later on willie stargill definitely not willie stargill i said fast yeah i'm just blurting names out now willie stargill looks like you had to pull him off the recliner to play every come on willie the game's starting in five minutes like oh damn shit you know let me put this down it puts a salisbury steak to the side shuffled into the batter's box all right then and then it's a home run because he was a great fucking player not too shabby uh so yeah he was so the grandfather here was he had journalism skills he uh had a big public relations company afterwards big pr company uh which was uh

called ipr it was the name of it i guess it's a giant pr firm there uh he went to st kevin's college like we said and everybody from there from his family has gone there later on. Now, Stephen, on the other hand here, we'll talk about him. I don't know much about his young life. Everybody just says about him that he was always a, and there's so many of these kids running around in this family. There's 34 of them. He was well-mannered, nice kid. Basically, he's like a Kennedy. He blended in he blended into the crowd he knew how to i'm sure like the

kennedys did even if they were it was it was a rapist they knew how to like blend in at a fucking at a garden party you know the salute and shorts was fantastic hey you rape after the garden party not during come on now once the ice sculpture is melted to an unrecognizable state, then it's rape time. Rape is on. Then the rape is on. When the swan heart necks turn into a bulb. That's it. It's over.

Steven here, he played reserve grade football, which I don't know what that is, for Carlton, which is what it is. I don't know what that is, for Carlton, which is what it is. I guess it's, I don't know what that is. I don't know if it's like a practice squad guy. Reserve grade. Reserve grade football. In 2002,

which he was only 19 years old, so I don't know if that's like a, like I said, I don't know if that's like a D-League team for them. The word reserve makes anything sound like a joke. It does, yeah. Reserve sounds like you're not actually playing. Right.

Even though, you know, basically how many every war we fought for the last 50 years. Yeah, we've gone to a lot of reserves. We end up taking those fuckers. Yeah. They end up playing a lot. Yeah. You're good. You go, shit.

Two weeks. Police officer reserves. They said a weekend. Okay, never mind. The guy said, I got, listen, I got a thing this week. Yeah, I got a, he said I could play in. Okay. Paint balls.

No shit. Live rounds. Really? Are you fucking kidding me? That's what we're doing? For real? Yeah. I get to shoot shit.

I work in a telemarketing place. Like I don't. I just made a ham and Swiss at the subway. Listen. Really? I don't. Sandwich artist. Sandwich artist slash reservist that's it you want

me to do what now where can we kill others but i'll get sand in the sandwich oh you want me to fight over there wow okay i'm what they call a civilian reserve shit you don't know what that is stay here right civilian is in the word i can look stuff up for you guys if you want like email i'm great on google i'm like really good at that i can google shit for you i can like you know yelp if you're looking for a restaurant around there i can help you guys out with that i don't know but uh i gotta work in the morning i gotta ship yeah i am scheduled you guys so uh this that's what you're gonna do once you're scheduled you're scheduled reserve, deputy reserves, they're all a fucking joke. It sounds bad.

Even if it's not, it sounds terrible. Yeah, it just sounds like you're good. Like we fielded the team, and then if anybody breaks their leg, we'll give you a call. You're fine. Second tier. But I guess I think that's just what it is when you're young there. They have certain ways to get you in. But I guess I think that's just what it is when you're young there.

They have certain ways to get you in. He played at Donvale when he was called up to play reserve grade football for Carlton here. He was playing at Donvale. Donvale, I have some information about them. They used to be Donvale United, apparently, which sounds like all the English soccer teams. They started in 1971 as the, this is interesting, they played in the Eastern Suburban Churches Football Association. That's a lot of... A church league?

A church league. Eastern Suburban Church, very specific church league. Only from the Eastern, wait, from the Northern suburbs? You can't play with us. No, your view ofesus is way different than ours we're gonna stick with people from the east thank you well that makes my son's uh western suburban soccer church league sound real fucking prestigious you know what now they're gonna fight yeah now they're gonna square off with these people and they are winners uh so they all the

clubs had to be aligned with a church in this league really that's how that worked for some reason they all had to have like a church sponsor. I hate that. That's so fucking creepy and weird. I don't like it at all, which is weird. I thought Australia. Are you guys religious over there? They do everything for the queen.

Is she their Jesus? I'm wondering if it's like England, because in England, it's kind of like, yeah, people are like their quote quote unquote that's their religion but they don't really take it all that seriously it's kind of like yeah that was pretty funny back in the day when people used to kill each other over that you know i'm going to the store now like they don't really they're not like over here where people are we're a young country yeah people here are still like that the shit is real you know they're still screaming from the rooftops they have no idea but they don't they're just they'll calm down they don't get how long ago that quote-unquote story happened over over there

with everything like england everything's just calm down yeah relax even like terrorism they're like irish used to blow shit up all the time and we wouldn't we'd just move it off to the right lane and keep the traffic moving fucking we don't we're persevering the nazis bombed us you understand we're fine right over here where anything happens oh my god oh jesus i saw a documentary about amanda knox and after the thing was over uh the the italian uh people were upset that we ridiculed their law yeah and then the guy was like in 1308 this courthouse was built. I will hear nothing from America because in 1308, they were drawing fucking cattle on caves there. They can just stow it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not going to tell us about law. We had society. We had an aqueduct running. We had lawyers for fuck's sake. I understand how that worked. You know those philosophical states? They're all from like here and Greece and this region generally.

You guys were drawing cattle on cave walls. That's how they view us by the way yeah they view us as monkeys still because we're idiots oh well yeah over here we're new we're very new that's the thing england looks at us new why do you think they look at australia oh jesus they look at australia even worse yeah because i mean at least we kicked their ass in a war right australia didn't do anything they've done nothing to humble england you know except run from them yeah well i don't know if they were running so much as if they were placed away yeah so uh you know whatever so uh bad this donvale team here they ended up uh playing with the in the vfl which is the victorian football league which is the as this is uh what it says, the major state-level Australian rules football league in Victoria. But it's not the AFL, which is the main one.

That's like the NFL. I don't know. There's so many leagues, dude. I can't even fucking put it. That's how much they love the queen, is that they're naming football leagues after this woman. Well, there's a lot of Victorias. Yeah, Victoria's everything there. That's a big fucking word there.

How long till they tell England to go fuck themselves? Is there a lease or something? I don't know if it's like Hong Kong. Is there some sort of fucking treaty? I don't know, because Canada won't either. Canada's too polite, though. They're not going to tell. But Canada's over there. They don't england at this point yeah they need england

on your own you're good you guys are doing fine up there you got it fuck off it's you'd have to make all new money then at that point be a huge pain in the ass i guess maybe your beavers on it's just i think they're just polite they've probably had meetings about it in canada i guarantee it they're like that handsome trudeau guys like i would make a great face for money how do we say it right what do we do and they're like oh hey that's gonna be real tough it's gonna be fuck yourself we can't say that eh oh man it's gonna be oh it's gonna be uncomfortable they're not gonna be happy with us hey no no i don't think we're gonna do that no let's let's just keep it the way it is for now yeah maybe they'll maybe they'll just let us go one day you

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Going to have that guy, too. There you go. He wants to make Master of Disguise Part 2. That was him, right? That was Dana Carvey. Same thing. Same thing. Same thing.

Literally the same thing. My favorite story about Dana Carvey is he doesn't work now because he got a bypass done and the doctor bypassed the wrong valve. And now that guy sued him and then got the other one fixed. Jesus. Now he has a shitload of money. So he's like Tracy Morgan? Isn't that fucking great?

Minus a Walmart truck. I love the comedians in cars getting coffee where he's with Tracy Morgan and he goes to Tracy Morgan's house. And Tracy Morgan is basically in this, like his house looks like the same thing as on 30 Rock. Like he's the same character. He's got this insane, ridiculous mansion. It's like a museum inside. He's got Michael Jackson's glove and a glass case and all that type of shit.

It's the weirdest thing. He's got a bunch of Lamborghinis and shit parked outside his house. And Jerry Seinfeld's like, Jesus, you're trying to spend all your money, aren't you? And he just looks at him and he goes, the truck was Walmart, Jerry. They got a couple dollars.

And then he gets in the car. It's like, that's what he said. The truck was Walmart, Jerry. It was Walmart, not a Walgreens truck. Yeah, this was not a fucking Dollar Tree truck that hit me. This was Walmart. If you're going to get hit by an 18-wheeler, do it right. That's the one.

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by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Yeah, the VFA, the Victorian Football League, is the second oldest Australian Rules Football League, which it's, I don't know what it is. It's called it. I guess it was the top level of it was like the top one until later on when the Australian Football League was created. The creation of the this is what it says here.

The creation of the Australian Football League from the previous Victorian Football League in 1990 left. It's a mess. I don't know what the hell's going on here i really don't it's like afghanistan this is a quagmire shit okay hodgepodge i'm gonna read you a paragraph and knowing nothing about now people in australia that know football be like well yeah that makes sense but to everyone else here this is what i'm trying to make sense of while i'm trying to figure out a crime thing at the same time the creation of the australian football league from previous victorian football league in 1990 had left a structural void within the heartland of australian rules football with no victorian state-based competition to provide a player pathway to the elite under 18s tac cup competition

yeah whoa in 1995 it was announced that a new state-based competition would be formed to be named the victorian football league as was its predecessor so first is what i get the old victorian football league that was around since the 1800s kind of folded into the afl okay the and became the top one and then they were like well now shit we need a b tier right and so then they made another victorian football league and started that over again to farm up the yes it'd be like if they had a usfl and it was around for 100 years back in the day then it went out of business and then like six years later they were like they really like that we really could have used that right now let's start it again so that that seems to have happened for under 18s is what this was used for

i suppose uh each club would be linked to a TAC Cup club and recruiting zone of which there would be eight based in metropolitan Melbourne, four in regional Victoria. Initial speculation was that some of the surviving VFA clubs would be invited along with a number of stronger metropolitan

and regional clubs. I assume there's, and it goes on and on, and I have no idea. Box Hill's results in the initial VFL years between 96 and 99 showed a club which remained competitive, was not able to win enough games

to qualify for the finals, because we're going to talk about Box Hill in a minute here. Box Hill was granted the license for the eastern zone of metropolitan Melbourne. Okay, then. Yeah.

The teams in this league are Box Hill. They are the Box Hill Hawks. We have the KC Demons. We have the Coburg Lions. I don't know what the fuck's up with that. High school football teams. Yeah. It's so the Collingwood Reserves. All right. They're the Magppies which we've talked about before uh the we have the bombers uh here the uh

jesus christ i don't even know what to say here the uh the foot scray bulldogs the what the foot scray bulldogs is that the place i suppose so they're not yeah bulldogs is not like a breed of scray yeah they're from foot scray i don't know what the fuck is up with that but they're from foot scray uh the uh frankston uh dolphins the south south geelong cats which we've talked about before i know that popular place north melbourne kangaroos somebody's got to be the fucking kangaroos i mean that's like go by the roost it's like the lions or the bears or something someone's got to be them uh how do you not in australia and also the uh the uh northern blues which there's another team there uh port melbourne uh burrow what the fuck burrow is the name of their that's their like a like a

donkey no or like the burrows of New York? Like fucking Queens. Like Brooklyn, but that's their nickname. Isn't that considered a hole? Port Melbourne Borough. Uh-huh. Okay. All right, then. The Richmond Reserves Tigers. Okay.

And the, what the hell is this? Sangrenom? Sangrenam? Uh-huh. Sangrenham. Uh-huh. Sangrenham? Zebras. Ah zebras yes so there you go there's a couple other teams too the tigers the seagulls the williamston seagulls and wary werribee werribee w-e-r-r-i-b-e-e yeah werribee tigers that's the team there now steven

bailey i love that they put b on the end of so many words they love it yeah they just stick them on there i have no idea what the hell's going on here b now steven bailey played for box hill the box hill hawks and the vfl uh for a few years here he was the winner in 2004 of the best and fairest oh the winner of best and fairest which is a designation is the definition designation given to the most attractive and supple young man by the australian bureau of pedophilia so that take that i don't know what that's a very odd award to give i was in right i was like no they didn't I was like, no, they didn't.

They were all suffering up there. That sounds like something Australia would do. I just pictured a government board sitting around going, I'm not supple enough. He's a little too muscular. I like it. It's just a little, you know what I mean? I want to be able to pinch something off of him.

There we go. I don that ass more perched. There we go. I don't think it's pink enough. Most attractive and subtly young. The ABP. The Australian Bureau of Pedophilia. Sorry. That is fantastic.

I couldn't help myself. That's what I automatically thought of. I see him doing it. I was right on board right until you said pedophilia. PowerPoint presentation. Just clicking from kid to kid as they're running with the ball in a pose. Now, if there was sprinklers on that boy, he's in. Oh, he's a nice one.

Look at that one, mate. I'm crying. We have a winner. Best and fairest. He's the one. There he is. He is fair. Jesus Christ.

What the hell is wrong with us? They say it through their teeth. Yeah. Best and fairest. What the hell is wrong with us? They say it through their teeth. Yeah. Best and fairest. It's like grinding in the corner of a desk.

You can't call him best and fairest. No. You can't. Who's the fairest of them all? That's Snow White. That's legit. He won that. The title of the award is the best and fairest.

No, you can't do that. And he won it in 2004 i was going backward in my head right now where did the truth stop the truth the truth he he definitely won the best and fairest at 2004 while playing for box hill everything else is a lie has nothing to do with his attractiveness or suppleness and there is no australian bureau i want to see their like shield you know their official like letterhead and shit their australian nambla they're a local that's what it is it's australian nambla that's i almost i almost wrote that i'm like no one will know because i'll say nambla to get a live show about

something because there was something in a live show that it came up and nobody like fucking 10 in the audience knew what nambla was never mind so yeah we're not telling you you gotta google it we want you oh yeah as many lists as i am i had to search the things i had to wait do you see what I had to Google later on. I had to Google the Australian sex party, which is not a sex party. No? It is not. It's not pornography at all. It's not Lemon Party?

It's very weird. No, it's not. No, it's not. That would be awful. Oh, Jesus. So it actually, the best and fairest sounds like a title that some dickhead asshole group of frat boys would give who they consider to be the biggest blowjob giver in the connected sorority. You have to blow the whole house, you win best and fairest. I feel like that's how that is. Either one.

Best and fairest, actually, it's judged to have the best performance in a game or over a season for a given sporting club or competition. It's a general Australian term for this whole thing here. In Australian Football League, the Brown Low Medal, which I think Ben Cousins won, is awarded to the player who... He sold it. He did, yes, he did. And then he had meth up his ass. This man also has something in his underwear later that he... Great!

This is crazy what he does later on. So I guess it's for a player who has not been suspended during the season and receives the most votes from the umpires for being the fairest and best player in games during the home and away season. In each game, the umpires award three votes to the player they judge to be the best afield in that game, two votes to the second best player, and one vote to the third best player, and the votes are counted at a gala function full of pedophiles, wall to wall, preceding the grand

final, which is the last game there. The eligibility of suspended or reprimanded players due to minor offenses to win the award has frequently been questioned. So basically, the umps have to think you're not a dick. So you have to be nice to the referees. Because they can see how everybody's playing if they're cheap players or whatever. So best and fairest is you're good and you're not a piece of shit.

You're not a cheap player. I don't know. They should know. They're down there. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So he wins best and fairest in 2004 for the Box Hill Hawks under the coaching of Andy Collins. Great. And grace.

Yeah. This is great. That's it? This is great. Best and fairest. It's all downhill from here, babe. It's going down. Right.

Now, he ended up playing also for the SANFL, which has the team Norwood on it. We'll talk about that. It's the South Australian National Football League here, which is based in the state of South Australia, obviously. There, it's not too hard to figure out. Seven, right? Is that the number? Of teams? No, states.

I believe so. We went over it in a small town murder. I'm trying to remember. We didn't fuck it all up. I'm real bad at this. Yes, it's hard enough keeping track. You think there's oil in Florida. So we're going to have other countries.

We're going to save that for another time. Lucky number seven. That's where I'm going with. I think you're right, though, as a matter of fact. So he plays for Norwood there. Apparently, it's so funny. When you look up Norwood, they have it broken down. Like any team, if you look up norwood they have it broken down like any team if you look it up on like wikipedia it'll be like you know this coaching era they go through

like eras like if it was the celtics it would be like the championship year 1962 to whatever the fuck uh when he plays there it is 2000 to 2009 quote tough times tough times for Norwood. We'll find out here. Quote, the euphoria of the 1997 grand final victory would be short-lived with the club only making it to another grand final once over the next decade, losing to Port Adelaide. The decade would see club revenue reduced to its minimum extent as the AFL took an economic hold of football in the state. Nobody came. Nobody came. During this time, the club picked up only its sixth wooden spoon and its first for over three decades.

I have no fucking idea. You win wooden spoons? You win wooden spoons. Six of them. When I was growing up, a wooden spoon was a bad thing. My grandmother's from Italy. Yeah. A wooden spoon meant you're getting your ass whooped.

You're in trouble. Like a lot. You fucked up. Yeah, for imitating her, which, what do you think of that, Grandma? That's right. She loves it now. She thinks it's fucking great now. She loves it.

She came to a live small town murder, and I imitated her, and everybody cheered for her, and she thought it was the greatest goddamn thing in the world. So, you know how many beatings I took for that as a kid? You earned it. My Jimmy, stop imitating me. And she chased me around the fucking place. Now it's like, oh, you imitate me. Michelle, everybody.

Yeah. Michelle, everybody. Michelle, what you doing? When I was a kid. That's fantastic. When I was a teenager do i got a family function uh in pennsylvania we went down there and they had a basement and a regular floor and the regular floor basement was all anybody under 50 that was like drinking and playing pool and all sorts of

shit and this included like you know i was a teenager and like our parents were in the younger group even whereas above on the second story was all it was italian speaking quarters it was all italian speaking card playing very grim up there yeah and uh my grandmother came down and yanked me and my cousin jesse up there and she said come here like what do you want what do you want she puts us in front of this group of stern-faced fucking italian and women yeah uh sitting at this table and she goes, show them this. And she goes, may you do the magic trick and may you imitate me.

I said, what? You're the entertainment? We were like, what are we, the entertainment here? She goes, my dude, may you imitate me and you do the magic trick. So I said, alright, Jesse, you're up first. I made him do the magic trick, which they were thoroughly unimpressed with because they don't give a shit. They're old people. It's in your other hand. i came in and did a grandma that brought the fucking house

down to where they were laughing and they'd say let's say this my maker say this they'd say make her say this make her say this they thought it was like a toy like i could make i could make her say whatever she wants now from this kid jimmy's got a pull cord now so it was good shit i was like how do you like my cousin jesse just sat there the whole time i was like that's right jess patted him on the back walked off he's like yep take that fucker so buried him paulie get in here jimmy's doing something vinnie yes that's that's my that was jesse's stepfather's name was vinnie there's like five paulies uh vinnie was also the house we were at the uh their son's name was vinnie son's names were vicky vinnie nicky and carly so that's the how that works

god this is fantastic and then there's tommy's everywhere i'm a as stereotypical as it gets it is no wonder they gave them nicknames absolutely yeah everybody's named fucking tommy and jimmy and paulie how the fuck are you that's why those are the best names that's why the the everybody is normal names like mark paul tom whatever that shit is how kids should be named because you nickname them to tell them different yeah that's right and then they earn that goddamn name that's right it's better than just being something bad if your name's just something silly then they have to call you that and they have to call you fucking i don't know you get nothing caden call you that nickname for caden they're gonna call you cooper the

rest of your life they'll call you cooper i know what the nickname for caden would have been when i was a kid tell you right now what the nickname for caden would have been when I was a kid. Tell you right now what the nickname for Caden would have been when I was in sixth grade or so. That's hilarious. You're going to go through the rest of your life being called queer? No. No one wants that. Jesus Christ.

So the South Australian National Football League is the oldest surviving football league of any type in Australia and is one of the oldest football competitions in the whole world. There's only a few before that that were there in the whole entire world. It's a very old league. They have a bunch of teams here. Adelaide Crows, another Bulldogs, another Tigers, another Roosters. They have Adelaide, North Adelaide, Port Adelaide, South Adelaide. Literally, those are team names, all of them. The Panthers, the Magpies, the Redlegs. There's multiple Magpies there, too.

What's a Redleg? The Redleg is Norwood. That's actually who our guy is playing for here. It's got to be a bird, right? Who the hell? A Redleg? They don't wear red socks. No, they do.

They do. They have red and blue uniforms, because think they these are the ones with the all blue i've looked at so many of these uniforms that's hilarious if they wear tall red socks because of it the red legs well i mean the red socks or the red socks they wore red socks that's a pretty simple shit there lots of thought putting that one yeah the sturt double blues which is kind of cool then the west adelaide bloods west side motherfucker west side they call them the westies which is a you know a violent irish gang in the 1800s or the bloods which is a violent fucking non-irish gang you know in the uh 1900s so awesome today either way they'll cut you. The Woodville West Torrens.

Woodville West Torrens Eagles. Jesus. Woodville West Torrens? I know they're two separate places, but they play at the Woodville Oval. So they play. All these teams play in an oval. I guess that's like stadium there. Yeah.

I mean, a stadium is oval. So that makes sense. Yeah, they all call it the oval. It's all everything. Hicken Bottom Oval, Albert on Oval, Norwood Oval, all ovals. It's all goddamn ovals. So Stephen playing here. Stephen has, like, long, bright blonde hair, by the way.

He has got, like, long, crazy hair. He, I guess, they say Stephen was a two-sided player who covered heaps of territory, is what they said. I don't know what any of this shit means, and I'm not going to watch enough Australian football to know shit like this for one episode. I'm out after scrum. Yeah, that was rugby, by the way. Oh, close enough. We were in the scrotum of rugby. Everyone get in the scrotum, everybody.

We're going to pull apart now. The scrotum of rugby. Everyone get in the scrotum, everybody. We're going to pull apart now. So in his three seasons with Norwood, the Redlegs, he kicked 22 goals in 54 games. Great. Is that good? I think.

Some goals? Is it a high-scoring game? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure. I know games do have high scores. I saw one team beat another team by 59 points. I mean, that's got to be high. But they've got higher points for different things.

Yeah, I don't know. Kicking a goal, I don't know if that's... Kicking a goal is over that goal post thing, right? Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's a lot of goals. Is that three points? Or little goals. Is that three? Is that seven?

Does that have anything to do with that shit? Is it six? Is it two? We have no idea. I just know those guys in the suits on TV when I was a kid would point their fingers down. Right. They'd look like old gangsters. That's all I knew.

Colin Powell. Yeah. No, they called it when it was good. Oh, that's a good? They'd come out like a cigarette hanging out of their mouth and they'd put their fingers down. And that meant good. Like out. In a suit?

They wore suits and they'd come out dead serious and they'd just go, and they'd put their fingers down and that meant it was good and then everybody would celebrate and drink and punch each other and find out who was the most supple boy. Drink and punch each other. They do celebrate. And vote on the suppleness of children. And then they look at us and go, why are they burning the city down, mate? That's weird.

That's the thing, yeah. You guys do it in each other's face, that's all. But then that's how they get their aggression out. And then they don at us and go, why are they burning the city down, mate? That's weird. That's the thing, yeah. You guys do it in each other's face, that's all. But then that's how they get their aggression out. And then they don't burn shit down. That's the thing. If we were allowed to punch each other more, because you could throw a chicken McNugget at someone here, and that's assault. They'll file an assault charge.

That's ridiculous. It should just be, did you deserve to get punched in the face? He had it coming. What'd you do to get punched in the face he had it coming what'd you do had it coming law should be uh mother you should have shut the fuck up then probably i don't know don't fight with people if you don't know if you can win dummy that's my fucking most biggest pet peeve ever man i used to be a fucking bouncer for years back in the day when i was like 21 and i used to hate that shit that people would get in fights then they'd want the cops to come in and be like i saw you start a fucking fight whatever happens to you is your fault i'm sorry you started a problem you can't fix fucking idiot i don't know why two adult people can't agree to fight each other without

there being the law involved that's a good point these are two adults and they agreed to fight each other that's a personal decision. If I decided to run myself as fast as I could into the wall to hurt myself, that's my decision. The law doesn't need to be involved. That's a fascinating point. That is why society is

fucking terrible. It's soft. Oh, God. Preach it. You make a decision and then you go, well, that outcome wasn't what I wanted,

so now I have to have retribution. With everything. That's silly. You make a decision and then you go, well, that outcome wasn't what I wanted. Yeah. So now I have to have retribution. With everything. That's silly. I swear to God. And I'm not talking you should be able to fucking pummel someone who doesn't want to be in a physical altercation. Yeah, just spin somebody around and beat the shit out of them. I'm not talking about that.

But if you're in a fucking fight with someone, an altercation, and you say, I'd like to fight, and he goes, fuck yeah, let's step outside, nobody outside nobody's going to jail i don't care what happens unless weapons come out or something normal punches and kicks and things of course of normal course of fighting events you agreed to it get it all on camera don't give a shit yeah you both agreed to it i don't care maybe we could have a little form we all have to sign when we do that is there is there an app for there should be an app for this yeah you can swipe left and right on fuck strangers faces why can't you be like fighting you why can't we all agree we fight two adults agree to a fight i don't understand it if if we film it and pay both people it's fine so what's the difference jesus christ man you're allowed to you're allowed to strap yourself to a fucking engine with two wheels in arizona with no helmet on or pads or seat belt or anything and fly down the road at 65 miles an hour faster launch yourself that's allowed but but you can't agree to fight another grown man

god okay that's we haven't gone in that's dangerous that's yeah exactly that's somebody could get killed james something could really happen there someone could hit their little head right and the the whole point is that one of those people could really beat the shit out of the other but what if neither of them know how to fight i want to watch that that's a great fight that's the fight i want no one should go to jail for that who should go to jail for two people swinging wildly windmill style at each other? I have no idea where they're connected. Trying to get each other in headlocks. Why is that bad?

Why does someone have to go to jail for that? I don't understand. That's just funny. We can all watch that and be entertained. And we can all laugh. Yeah, I don't understand. In the old west, you could shoot someone and they'd be like, fair fight. I don't know.

They both agreed to it. Fair fight. And they'd walk away and go, fuck them, I guess. I don't know. They both agreed to a fair fight and they'd walk away and fuck them, I guess. A fair fight. We was fair fight. It was legal. That's what I mean. That was fine. Now it's like you could do it.

You could touch somebody. It's like, oh, Jesus, that's assault. I don't know. So anyway, Stephen, his coach, Trevor Hill, one of his coaches at Norwood, said, quote, he was quite a driven professional football, quite a driven professional footballer who worked hard on his fitness. He was very quiet and unassuming and popular. All right. So everybody liked him.

Apparently, when he came on board with Norwood in 2005, they had a lot of high expectations for him because of who his grandfather was and because he had been playing well. And they were like, OK, he was fucking fairest. He's the most supple guy going, so they're like, this is going to be great. He's supple, and Laurie Stock. We got a supple guy coming in from Box Hill there. Hell yeah. So, Jesus Christ, most supple man in Box Hill.

Box Hill sounds like where you get some supple. Yeah, that sounds like where the suppleness would be. Head on up to Box Hill, you get you some supple. Box box hill it's like a red light district down in west adelaide we call that box hill yeah it's the other the other one no the other one is just snatch way that's all it is box hill anyway so uh uh fans seem to like him uh here there i found some message boards from the time oh with fans talking about him yeah so this is kind of the best way to know like some myspace people just internet message boards just you know under you know football club they all have their own little

like supporter message boards and shit like that uh one is quote i've only really noticed him in one game recently when we played him his his team, obviously, not them personally, was an expert at picking up cheap kicks in the back pocket. I don't know what the fuck that means. After we had kicked a point, got a lot of disposals and didn't do a hell of a lot. But he did kick a brilliant snap goal from a ball up. All right. I know what none of that means. All I got was that uh the word kick i

understand yep i got that part and uh that they that this guy played him did you say in the back box that sounds gross uh cheap kick in the back pocket oh back pocket after we kicked a point i don't know what that means and a lot of disposals well i don't know what that is don't look at me dispatch a man until his till his death i don't understand how that works uh it is a lot of disposals. I don't know what that is. Don't look at me. Dispatch a man until his death. I don't understand how that works. It is a lot of execution at the center of the pitch. Is it a pitch? I don't even know what it is.

It's an oval. That's right. It is an oval. It isn't played in an oval. So another one is, quote, Bailey is a complete cheat when it comes to accountable footy. Doesn't man up too well and tries to get the easy kicks all the time he's more noticeable because of his blonde hair in the vfl zorzi uh when the vfl zorzi was a far better player

captain of his side three-time bnf winner for the bullens i don't know that is 100 game player and state rep player uh blah blah i don't know more shit about lewis yeah but apparently they didn't uh sounds like the fans fucking hate him they did well a bunch of people are like he seems okay and uh andrew collins who was his coach there said that he was uh considered to be a leader uh by young players by like the younger guys yeah and he was uh considered like a role model for them oh apparently he was a real fitness nut. Kept himself in insane shape. Like they said, he was just so into fitness and being in shape and wanted to be the best in shape guy out there and never wanted to run out of gas.

And so they never had a problem with his motor. That's all coaches want. Coaches, if you read books about shit like football and stuff like that, American football, all he wants motor. I mean, they want skills, obviously, too. But they just want someone who never stops. Coaches, if you read books about shit like football and stuff like that, American football, all he wants is motor. I mean, they want skills, obviously, too. But they just want someone who never stops. That's all they're looking for is an unrealistic human being.

But don't do drugs to get there. Don't do drugs. God, no. Jesus Christ. If you're hurt, you better play through it. And don't do drugs for that either. Good Lord. So he sounds like he's like a- Well, do drugs, but don't smoke weed.

Yeah. God forbid. Don't do illegal ones here's a shitload of opiates right uh weed you're suspended josh gordon how dare you people talk about josh gordon like he killed three women right they talk about him like he's ray rice they talk about him like he's fucking uh uh what what was the other the defensive lineman i can't remember his name i don't know like slam the woman's head in the toilet bowl right fucking i'm what is wrong with my name drawing skills today i forgot fucking the hall of fame cowboys player i'm forgetting the guy who was like two years ago this whole thing happened

defensive lineman then the cowboys signed him never mind jesus christ i can see his face i want to punch it it's he's an asshole there's a ton of them that beat the shit out of their wives yeah but this guy's a fucking he's an he's an animal yes but josh gordon also has a super bowl ring so i just don't understand i don't understand they act like they'll be people with who beat their their wives beat their girlfriends do crazy shit you see these shows where people will be sitting there going well i mean you got to give the guy a second chance and we don't know what's going on in people's relationships josh weed josh gordon smokes weed a few times and they're like my god what the fuck is wrong with that god jesus

christ he gotta get his life together i heard steven say dick bag smith on one time he said he's gotta get his life he's gotta get his life together things like this and he's just not together i'm so never been more disappointed in a young man and blah blah he smoked weed a couple times i'm the fuck alone if he went out if he went out and got shit faced and fucking ran his car into a fucking embankment nobody they'd be like that's sort of disappointing but you know we'll get help we need to really get dante stalworth back into some rehab and get him back on the field killed a man yeah josh gordon doesn't do things doesn't get arrested because he's got weed he just smokes weed and then they catch him doing it right who cares

meanwhile steven a smith you get your life together the man smoked weed he played like four downs this year and he got himself a super bowl ring that's the easiest that's great i'd love to have a road super bowl like that and i'd like to see you run half as fast when you're stoned steven a sm. Shut the fuck up. I don't give a shit. See if you can catch it. Fuck running. See if you can catch a football. Yeah, that's the other thing. You got a guy running a 4-3-40

catching a football at that speed and you're going, he's stoned? Amazing. Fucking amazing. Can you imagine what he'd do if he didn't smoke weed? I don't care if he didn't or not. He's great now. Fuck, this is great. Jesus. Somebody get him a bong.

Somebody, please. So he plays for a few years in Norwood here, Stephen does. And then he transfers to West Adelaide, where he plays 40 games between 2008 and 2011. Okay. That was Andrew Collins was his coach in Adelaide there. He plays there. He the West Adelaide that's in the South Australian National Football League that we talked about. That's the Bloods and the Westies as they're known as.

So he's a blood and a Westie. I love it. And he has long blonde hair. So that's pretty goddamn funny here so uh after after that he ends up in 2011 he has six reserve games with west adelaide and then he kind of drifts away from football okay uh he returns to melbourne to live yeah where his family is from and he's like we said he's got this big giant family and everybody's famous uh uh he is he works a lot as a uh personal, he's got this big giant family and everybody's famous. He works a lot as a personal trainer. He's got a personal trainer business because his name is good.

And he's into fitness. And that's the thing. He's in phenomenal shape. Everybody says he's got nobody on the team in better shape than this guy. So he's in great shape and he's an athlete and a recently retired footballer. Trust that guy. Yeah, that guy knows how to get in shape. So he ends up doing that.

He's also a tennis coach a little bit. Oh, no. Also, which is a weird thing. And I guess a bunch of people were saying he got really into the tennis coaching to where he was more interested in that than football. Go on. Which is strange. I don't know how that works.

But maybe he was good at tennis coaching and his skills were waning at football. I on. Which is strange. I don't know how that works, but maybe he was good at tennis coaching and his skills were waning at football. I'm not sure. You question guys like that, though. Yeah, you're like, what do you want to do that for?

So, yeah, he's a tennis coach and also he's big into swimming and hiking and shit like that. Okay. He's an outdoorsy, doing stuff. Cardio-loving motherfucker. Yeah, he's exhausting to me.

He sounds exhausting. Yeah. I couldn't even watch him do his shit on TV. I'd be tired. No, thank you. This is just too much action. I need something calmer. Don't film this show, Outdoor Channel.

Let me get that sleeve of trefoils. Thank you. Those are these shortbread Girl Scout cookies. I'm going to eat them because, listen, he burned all my energy for me. I'm done. I've earned these. I've earned them god damn it i'm taking i'm a fiend for shortbread cookies jimmy any kind of shortbread cookie i love

a plain cookie i don't like like frosting and sprinkles and shit i'm that way with crackers yeah i like that yeah i'm very plain with stuff and rice crackers and then those like those big circles that have like just like a little bit of holes in them they look they look like a saltine only thinner and no salt. Interesting. They're fucking amazing. I need some salt. I like some salt.

I just like no flavor. No flavor. I want the flavor of the cheese. That I can see. Okay, well, if it's got a cheese flavor, then it's fine. I love different cheeses. I like, okay, well, that makes sense. You're not just eating plain.

No, no, no. No, it's that I just don't want to taste the cracker. I want to taste what's on it. I just, I like a... But if I'm just eating the cracker, because all those little boxes of Healthy Choice, they're rice crackers. The box, you pick it up and you're like, is there even a fucking thing in here? Throw it out.

Yeah. I think we're out of this. I think we're all out of this. But I'll eat the whole goddamn box because it weighs nothing. Yeah. It's a trick. That's fucking funny. I love them.

Meanwhile, I ate an entire fucking box of trefoils last night. I did. I was playing video games with my son. So like 30,000 calories in there? It's hard. Probably. I need it. I've been trying to gain weight, so I need that.

That's why I have them. Sarah's been loading me up. She gets me all sorts of shit. Grabbing those girls out front of the grocery store door. Come on, let's go. No, she ordered them online from one of our listeners, actually. Oh, great. One of our listeners was selling them.

Amy Bohannik? I think it was Amy Bohannik. Yeah, she ordered them from her. Yeah, so that's nice. In Denver. She's got them in Denver selling those shit. There you go. That's, I think, who it was.

I'm not sure. So, yeah. So, he returns. He's in Melbourne. He's hiking and swimming and coaching tennis and being a personal trainer and basically just watching people bend over a lot, it seems like, in that deal there. Now, people who know him, while he was playing football, he was always just considered a very good team player. Nobody had anything aberrant to say about him. No one was like, well, he kind of did this once in a while for good or for ill.

It was just like people liked him. They respected him. He did his job. Everything was fine. Like people and rich kids and families like that who were brought up to just in public, everything's fine, does his thing. But also people who know him kind of away from sports describe him as complex and, quote, a deep thinker, they all say. He doesn't sound like a deep thinker oh they all say he's a deep he doesn't sound like a deep thinker no the only things he does involve cardio which isn't the most thoughtful thing to do but it gives you

time alone to actually do some thinking that's true but you have to have the capacity to think right for it to matter yeah because the only thing i'm thinking when i'm doing that shit is my lungs are on fucking fire that's what yes it's i think and this sucks i hate cardio so much when i was going to listen obviously i don't go to the gym i used to go a lot i was going every day my kid was swimming so i was at the gym anyway and i'd be on that goddamn treadmill or whatever just thinking why am i doing this this is it's just torture i can't imagine doing that and enjoying it no i don't know i don't know people that can every time i see somebody live to like 94 and then they die and they didn't do any of that shit i'm just like you son of a bitch you won you won you cheated it you won dude smoked till he was 91 when i see people like

elderly people smoking i'm like fuck yeah you fucking made it man think about that yeah i don't give a shit if you're 90 and you're smoking, you fucking beat the system. You earned it. You're outliving people who didn't smoke. You're doing great. Even if the cigarettes kill you now, who are you going to live another five years of elderly? Who cares? Right. You're going to sit on the couch for another five years?

Yeah. You win, man. My lungs don't really expand very well at 90, but I'm still getting smoke into them. Beautiful. Good for you. Good for you. You're doing it. I love that.

When I see an old lady smoking, I'm like, you like you go girl i'll fucking come up and high five her her lungs look like deflated balloons hey whatever you know what they're alive yeah alive i know plenty of very healthy dead people so i've never touched a cigarette and their fucking wife died of that shit there you go she never smoked a day in her life no i'm not even talking of cans just of anything people just drop dead all the time anyway for everything so i don't know just explodes that happens all the time we know a comic who has cancer lung cancer she never ever smoked no no that's sad she's in good shape never smoked yeah constantly posting pictures on top of mountains and shit she's a fucking badass yeah it's like what how did that? Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. That's terrible. Get better, by the way.

Thoughts out to you. So anyway, yeah, he's considered that. His grandmother at this point, Vivian, is running, who was Lori's wife, who is running one of the largest properties in the Yarra Valley where she produces wine and cattle. Oh, Jesus. So this is the type of wealth we're talking about. If you're producing wine and cattle, those are two things that need a lot of space. Yeah.

You have to have a lot of land to do wine or cattle. Yeah. If you're doing both, you have a fuckload of land. And time. It takes so long to make wine. Well, yeah, because you have to go through years of getting that right. It takes much longer to make cattle. And cattle, too. You're talking about 10 years of getting that right. It takes much longer to make cattle. You know what I mean?

You're talking about 10 years probably. It's nuts. I know less about cattle than I do about Australian rules football. I don't know how long it takes a cow to mature enough to slaughter it. I know they're delicious. Outside of that, I'm not positive of anything about them. I mean, you've got to grow it into a cow. Pretty sure they're mammals.

You do have to grow them. I'm pretty sure they don't come out that size. I hope not. Anyway, that would be disgusting. Grow it into a big side of beef. And then if you age the ribeye, too, that takes more time. Yeah. But you're not aging it in the cow.

No, no, no. That's what I mean. But once you're killing it. You've got to get it big. Then you've got to kill it, chop it up, and then age it. And then age it. That's crazy. That's a lot.

You're just adding more time. Yeah, it's a lot of time. And wine, you're just watching it grow. Steve Martin, you like it old. These are very calm people. Yeah. I like it old. These are very calm people.

They sit around sipping glasses of wine going, the grapes are coming in well this year. Those are going to be delicious in seven years. Oh, the cows are pretty. Yeah, they're not in a big hurry. They're fine. They have money. They're good. They have money. They're good. Everything's fine.

Now, a radio host from the area said, quote, this is the Kerr family because it's Laurie Kerr. And they call it, even though he's Stephen Bailey, his mother's from the Kerr clan. So technically he's a Kerr. The Kerr family has been prominent in Melbourne for many years. I do know some members of the family personally. They are very close and very, very respected. So there are a bunch of rich fucks who hang around here. Now, Stephen starts to have some problems in the early 2010s here, especially 2013.

He is required emergency treatment for a psychotic episode. Not a lot of details, but he apparently freaked out and lost touch with reality to the point where didn't really know who he was, where he was, and to the point where they had to call someone to come get him to figure out what the fuck was wrong with him which that's a bad sign yeah right there i i mean people that happens but to have a psychotic episode of that nature where they have to hospitalize you i've never done that no i mean not saying that that doesn't happen but how many times i've had some psychotic episodes but not far enough to warrant a like a hospital stay an emergency fucking forced right with a team of adults and and uh doctors going we gotta make a plan we really gotta check this and figure this guy out so after his psychotic episode here uh he but basically he just deteriorates mentally yeah we don't know

what causes this or what the story is or it just seems like at 30 years old he lost his fucking mind well um yeah i mean it happens people understand yeah people happen uh one one person said quote after that his psychotic episode uh his condition continued to decline in circumstances in which he did not seek or obtain any expert psychiatric assistance or treatment. So, yeah, he's going untreated. That's the other thing. The only times he's being seen by anybody is when he's being forcibly admitted somewhere for an episode. He's not seeking regular care. Zero self-care.

He's not medicated. He's just not doing anything here. Medicaid, he's just not doing anything here. Now, it's also, as time goes by here, 2013, 2014, it gets really, really bad. People start to say he acts disturbed all the time and shit like that. Is he drinking? No, that's the other thing, too. There's no substance.

No one ever mentions a substance. No one ever mentions that he has any problems with that. It's not like, oh oh he started drinking and then it went off the deep end or he started doing drugs or i mean i don't even know what drugs he'd be doing for this shit that if he's doing acid every day or something because he starts going into like he doesn't know reality from from not really it's really weird his sister says uh quote probably 12 months later this is after the incident psychotic incident uh he actually thought i was someone else he thought i was from isis and he was seeing earphones in my ears what i tried to reassure him who i was but he didn't really seem to believe me he's saying his sister is isis he's saying that his sister isn't really his sister but some sort of isis clone put there to i don't know does isis hate australia too

apparently they hate australian personal trainers i don't know what an international terror organization would give two fucks about a retired footballer who like coaches a little tennis who's teaching kids about their forehand on the side like i don't understand like what they would have but he seems to think that yeah yeah his sister is an isis and this isis clone has earphones in his ears i assume receiving instructions of what to say to him yeah so you know say tell him about this happened when you were a kid now you know they have a sister like tied up there Tell a story about what he did. Tell us.

Tell us childhood memory. She's like, no. Tell us again how much he loves cardio. Fuck that man. Jesus. But his sister also said he'd been refusing any kind of psychiatric treatment. Unless forced by the state, he's not fucking getting any help. That's not good.

No, the sister said, quote, he didn't trust his psychiatrist and saw the medication as being tampered with or poisoned. Okay. So he is just in complete paranoia. This is not good.

No, he's in a complete state of paranoia. He thinks his sister's with ISIS. Right. Not even his sister. Not even, he doesn't think his sister, just to make it clear, he doesn't think his sister joined ISIS and then came back to do

something to him. He thinks it's not her. He thinks ISIS fucking replaced his sister with a clone to somehow lure him into something. So this is next level fucking crazy here. It's sad. And he saw his medications being tampered with or poisoned. So, I mean, he's to the point where this doctor is just a guy who's trying. He's probably with ISIS, too.

They're poisoning my medication because I know about the clone program. That's what he's probably thinking in his head. This is amazing. And it probably just spins and spins and spins and keeps going deeper and deeper. This is what I want Jose Canseco to be. Oh, I would love it. You know he's not. He's calculated with all of his crazy.

That's what's annoying about him. Right. This guy is just, he doesn't know fucking heads from tails yeah he's he's he doesn't know anything this isn't because he's got a brand you know yeah yeah he's not trying to build a weird he's not trying to sell uh jose canseco sasquatch tours like jose by the way update on jose canseco he's selling sasquatch tours you pay him five grand in vegas where all the sasquatches all the sightings have been and then you get to wander through the i guess nuclear radiated fucking mountains around las vegas looking for sasquatch and alien buddies

yeah nuclear test sites right which would probably there probably is sasquatch it's just guys who were there and were too close to the blast and now they're just super hairy they've grown hair in places that happens by the way i'm sure it does i saw this documentary on the bikini islands which we fucking basically just decimated and destroyed and uh while we were testing nuclear weaponry there and there was this guy there who was a military guy who was in the navy or something and he was uh exposed to a bunch of radiation his fucking hand looked like a cartoon cat hand you know when like heathcliff would like get run over by a car his paw would be all big and flat and big that's what his fucking hand looked like it was twice the size of his other hand right and it was covered in fur that's that's it it was coke is from radiation so i was like holy shit he's got a fucking cartoon scat cat hand

what the fuck is happening what is happening he can't just blow into his thumb and make it normal again. Apparently not. No. I've said blow on it and it'll... Didn't work. Didn't work. That's too bad. Apparently it works if you're hit with a sledgehammer or a giant mallet, but not. They call that place Bikini Island. What a terrible... Bikini Atoll.

What a nice name for something we've ruined. I think that's where the word bikini came from. Because that's probably what they... Yeah. It's an island. So, island so i mean that's if you put two-piece bathing suit they probably started calling it a bikini after the place i'm not sure about that but i would imagine that came before the island name right i mean the island name came first before the before the bathing suit name so uh his sister also said uh there would be ups and downs with his mental state like some days he was okay and they'd be be like, well, Stephen seems okay today. She said he appeared to improve at one point, but then there'd be a flare-up.

Yeah. And she said, I couldn't tell if he was improving or not. It's like, no, he could keep it under control for a little while, and then he was... That's what it is. He's mentally ill. He needs help. Period. You can't just control that no people are crazy illness

we're nuts that's what it is yeah we you either manage it and and take steps to keep it under control or you don't you don't that's your choices and when you don't shit goes awry no that's things will be okay for a couple of days because you did when you're crazy you aren't just nobody's crazy all the time you don't just sit in the corner yeah nobody's like from an old movie like a guy dressed up like napoleon walking around the mental institution banging on a pot talking that's not how real he has those moments he has those moments but then for a while he's just sitting eating some cheese that's watching fucking tv and he's drooling he's fine there's different things i've just seen one flew over the cuckoo's nest they're fine most of the time that's the thing but then they have outbursts they just go fuck your mother it's that 10 it's that 10 i mean that's the problem

that's because separates everybody's 90 normal yeah it's that 10 of whatever that separates everyone so yeah it separates the loonies from the normal that's what it is so she she said he 10% of whatever that separates everyone. So, yeah. Separates the loonies from the normal. That's what it is. So she said he'd appear to improve, but then he'd have a flare-up. She couldn't tell it was going on because it was day-to-day. So you see him one day, he's fine. You see him the next day, he's crazy. You're like, I don't know if he's improving.

Clearly not. He's not. No. That's the thing. Like you said, you can either fix it or not. And it's an illness. You can't just control it all the time. It would be like if you have a cold, you can't just control it all the time it would be like you can't if you have a cold you can't just not sneeze right it's like your your body is doing that your

body's sick you gotta manage it things happen so yeah he uh he also as he got farther away from uh the football he would he's kind of let the fitness go a little bit he wasn't so uh insane into the fitness anymore and he turned most of his most of his attention away from fitness and toward religion and philosophy no more supple which for no he's not supple at all anymore which for the australian bureau of pedophilia is very disappointed in him they're very disappointed we made a wrong choice there. So, Jesus Christ. I voted nay. I don't know about y'all. That's not a butthole.

That's not a butthole. Sorry. That's a butthole. That's a butthole. So, yeah. So, you don't want a guy with psychotic tendencies to turn his attention toward religion and philosophy is the last fucking thing you want from these people. You have to be so stable to even look at religion and not take it seriously. You have to be an amazing point.

You do. You have to be the most stable religion. I've always said this. Religion should be taken very carefully. Religion should be treated like guns or pornography you shouldn't be able to have it till you're 18 because you can't your body your mind can't control it before that you might get weird shit in your head it's the same thing you should do a background check to make sure that you're are you capable of dealing with this information you know for whatever it's worth whether we think it's true or not are you

capable of hearing a story is that without losing your fucking mind about the kid fucking part that solves that there you go well that was the other plus about the 18 is number one i don't think you should give people religion until their brains are fully formed because that's a that's an idea that it's like a it's like a thought process that you were implanting someone and they have like this fear of something in their head. That's weird and cruel. It's like forcing a seven-year-old to do acid and now he's afraid there's a giant rat chasing him all the time.

That's what I mean. Same thing. And people will say, oh, it's good. You can teach your kid morals without the story. You can teach him the same exact morals without the story behind it and none of that shit. And you can just teach him. Why? Because we're people.

And people should be fucking nice to each other that's why or as jim jeffrey says uh we're not animals we live in a society there you go it's the george costanza we're living in a society it's the it's that sort of thing so i don't fucking know uh but he has some problems with this he's not stable enough for religion. She said that his sister said he would often talk about ancient philosophers and communism and would be reading the Bible all the time while he was doing this, which is just a weird trio. Philosophy, communism, and the Bible don't go together. Which end are you, sir?

They're literally three complete, like if there's a triangle, there are three points of it. There's no fucking. He is a Marxist hitler they never intersect right well philosophy i guess philosophy and communism sort of go together a little bit just a philosophy communism is a philosophy i suppose uh but the bible doesn't mix in with philosophy at all or communism it's very or it kind of does too because you're supposed to be nice to people, which is kind of communist. You're supposed to share. Maybe they do intersect. Nevermind.

I don't know. It's like a Venn diagram somehow. It's in there. There's an intersection. Either way, the sister said, quote, a couple of times he told me he thought he was Jesus. Oh, there's a problem. So now that's the issue. This is what I mean.

If he didn't know anything about religion, he would have picked somebody else. Right. He would have picked a fucking, you know, someone who't if he didn't know anything about religion he would have picked somebody else right he picked a fucking you know someone who existed i don't know definitely like someone who we have a picture of it wouldn't have been a deity probably that's what i mean he would have picked like oh there's a guy who i can see in a picture of that like a photograph was taken of not you know he thinks he's ralph waldo emerson yeah so yeah i think he's woodrow wilson for some reason it should be a really weird... Heard of this bloke? I don't know where.

Really strange person to think he was for an Australian guy. Very strange. So his other sister... He's better than Paul Hogan. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you know what? You're right. His other sister said as 2015 pushed on she saw him at one

point in 2015 and described her brother steven as being in a quote feral mood feral like he's acting like an animal yeah that's a weird that's not our mood really but he's i don't know if he's going around like rooting in paper and like fucking shit gnawing on things but in in he's i don't know if he's going around like rooting in paper and like fucking annoying on things but in in he's acting feral in australia rooting is fucking so that's true that's true you're right good point so maybe he was fucking in the trash just like fucking the couch like he's it's very feral of him only a raccoon that would fuck the couch, I figured, usually. Wow. She said, though, at this point now, he's having financial problems also because he doesn't have any money. He's in debt and that sort of thing.

So he's living with his mother. He's living with his mother in a condo and all that sort of shit. The wonder is fucking crazy. He's fucking crazy. He's in his 30s living with his mom in a condo. It's just not going well. Jenner's calling him. Yeah yeah exactly there's a thing he's it's not going well for him uh uh they said that uh uh the sisters all said that you know he he was psychotic but it was in

like a way that they weren't real worried about like violently or they weren't afraid to be around him like they didn't think he was going to stab him in the face or anything at any point in time uh they said the only their only stress about him was financial. That was their only stress. One sister said, quote, I knew he had been in debt, and mom had told me in particular in 2014 that she was concerned about all the money he needed. She was paying for his car loans, tax bills. I guess he owed a lot of tax money and various other things. So basically she's supporting her grown son in every way, including back tax debts and shit like that.

Yeah. When you have to pay your own taxes, that's when you should not be living off your parents. That's a thing. Four tax debts. So the family is just concerned about that because they're like, you know, we don't want him sponging off a mom here and taking all the money. Now, 2014, he goes to work for his uncle his mother's brother he's one of the curs uh gregory cur which is one of his names right i'm sure it's what he's named after probably uh one of his names grown grapes or slaughtering cattle

okay here we go uh he said that uh this gregory cur said that steven came to work with him at his vineyard. All right. This guy has a vineyard. It's a vineyard family. In 2014, after Stephen's sister contacted the uncle with concerns. Basically, they're like, dude, this guy is fucking. We've got to get him out of mom's house. He's batshit, number one. He needs to do something, basically. Maybe it will help him to just be out and doing... We should make him stare at...

I think the sun cures mental illness. What am I supposed to do? Make him stare at gripes? All right. Yeah. That's it. The sun bakes away the mental illness, too. We can't so much as make him watch gripes grow.

Yeah, we can. Yeah, you can. Will you pay him? Will you pay him for that? If you pay him enough to pay his taxes for that, then we're great. He can sit there all fucking day and philosophize and think he's Jesus. Make him sit there and watch him and guess if they're red or green. Do that.

Just do it. From seedling to plant to which one's coming out. Which one's coming out. Bet. Let's bet. It's all better. That's his job so uh yeah at that point he was 34 years old and uh his uncle said quote he was low all the time on

occasions he's kind of just like this low depressive and i don't know if he was taking medication that's a suppress okay sometimes when people are overly medicated they're they're just kind of that flat just numb yeah that sort of thing uh his uncle said he had his good and his bad days at work so i mean like anybody else but his were a little little worse and a little whatever they fluctuate harder yeah it's it's weird uh the the his uncle said that steven appeared like when he was in his 20s he was energetic he was fit he was confident he was you know mr had a shit together oh yeah he said during his 30s though he said since he entered his 30s he's been withdrawn has difficulty focusing isn't doesn't care about himself the same way the signs of mental illness i'm just slipping uh he said uh

that uh he said that his brother that that steven would talk about religion, philosophy, and, quote, the need for a new world order. Oh, no. So he's getting into shit like that. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. So his uncle said he didn't really take it all that seriously, though. He said, quote, I took him to be a young man in search of who he is in life. Basically, like, he didn't, this is all the shit he should have been worried about in college.

Right. Like, normally it's 19-year-old kids are talking, we need a new world order. And then by the time they're 25, they're like, I need to pay my student loans. Fuck that new world order talking we need a new world order and then by the time they're 25 they're like i need to pay my student loans i'm gonna get a job yeah fuck the new world daughter my shit's like 400 bucks a month i gotta pay and i just got a new camry you know it's like they're not so concerned with the new world order anymore that chick i was banging is now knocked up so what am i gonna do yeah the new world order isn't gonna help me in this situation exactly so uh and his uncle just i mean that's like we said, a young man. And he just said maybe he didn't, he's doing it late as all.

I mean, he didn't, he was playing football and doing things back when he should have been reading. Right. So it's a different thing. But also the uncle probably hasn't heard of YouTube and seen zeitgeist and all that weird shit going on. That's the other shit. Yeah.

Who knows? And that's probably what this kid's digging. Oh, I'm sure. This is 2014, 2015. So, I mean, he's digging weird shit yeah you could if you're crazy and and prone to conspiracy theory or anything like that you could go down the craziest holes ever oh boys they're a community for you there's community there's videos from here to the end of the world there's a bunch of people that are it's crazy there's an echo

chamber for you absolutely if you're crazy there's an echo chamber for you the internet yeah jesus christ man so october 2015 comes around yeah he's not working at the vineyard anymore he's living with his mom uh he's he's more crazy than not crazy at this point uh it's hanging on by a thread yeah the whole situation uh one day uh all of a sudden steven and his mom penny are both missing they're both missing no one can find them penelope penelope penny is what everybody calls her penny's missing uh he's missing gone so okay problems here. This was, she was last seen at 9 p.m. on a Sunday, and then she was gone. One of Stephen's sisters visited the home and ended up, they ended up talking to Stephen, but not, then he was, nobody could find him for a while.

So, his uncle called him and said that he didn't know where, Stephen said he didn't know where his mother was. He didn't know why you were calling me, leave me alone. Yeah. He was kind of out of it. Okay. His sister came over and said about Stephen, quote, he was a bit gaunt. He was out of it.

His mind was elsewhere. He wasn't looking me in the eye. So he's in some sort of weird state mom's missing yeah and what the fuck is he doing here uh i guess uh after a couple minutes of her saying like where's mom what's going on and him acting weird he told his sister to leave he said i'm not feeling well you got to leave go away i'm not feeling well so he just like kind of pushed her out the door dismissive very dismissive said i'm not feeling well and you have to go and just was like kind of like right now right now oh jesus okay grabbing her car keys rushing out the door and apparently uh uh he pushed her out

the door but then he left too and rode away from the house on his bicycle so that was a weird move yeah that was uh very strange where she was like i thought you weren't feeling well, but he ran away. Now, she said that this was this reminded her of the time in 2013 when he had the psychotic episode he had to be hospitalized for where he hallucinated that someone was after him. That was the psychotic episode. He thought someone was after him and he was like, they're getting me. They're getting me. And nobody's there. You're just sitting there. But he was literally seeing figures. That's scary as shit oh god imagine your mind turning on you like that like to that

extent minus drugs that's fucking that's fucking insane yeah yeah i want to do that on purpose but not i don't want that shit happening voluntarily i want to giggle my balls off about it i don't want that's the thing i want to be just terrified yeah to the point of a fucking mental institution uh now uh uh apparently uh she so he's she's missing and then he's last seen riding off on his bike and no one can find either one of them so a day goes by and by or almost two days by tuesday morning people really want to know what the fuck is going on so the family is going on tv at this point saying steven yeah fucking dude get back with us tell us yeah what's going on we're worried about mom we're worried about you talk to the police and if you know if you know anything about what happened to mom tell them so they can find her and that sort of shit like they're doing this

they're communicating with him through tv because they can't get a hold of him so yeah one of them said quote steve if there's anything you can do to get in touch, please do. I love you. We love you. Yeah, that was her family sitting there. So they don't know what's going on. So homicide detectives start to investigate, even though they don't know anything about it. They're still going to get a head start if this lady's missing.

That's looking fishy. if this lady's missing. That's looking fishy. They ended up telling reporters that they were, quote, keeping an open mind about Stephen's involvement in the disappearance of whether he was involved

in it or not. He says, quote, this is age inspector Mick Hughes, which sounds very Australian. Yeah, he does. His name is Mick? Mick, yeah. You know he carries a giant,

no gun, just a giant knife. Huge knife. A huge knife and a boomerang. The knife is shaped like a boomerang. Yeah, yeah. Big knife, boomerang. Which one, mate? That's what he says.

He throws the knife and it does a boomerang and comes back to his hand because he's an inspector. I'm an inspector, mate. He says, the urgent message here is that we've got a family here that are extremely distressed. No shit. I would say so here. This is a very large and close family, and we're putting all support around them as we can. So, yeah, they're saying, please. So they're especially scared because the night before this is wednesday morning on tuesday night uh uh relatives the

daughters and a couple other people broke into the condo to try to get in there to see what was going on yeah if they could find her uh they broke in and they said it looked like some sort of disturbance had happened there things weren't in their right places there was things knocked around and it just didn't look right look like possible struggle scene or something like that so they immediately at that point called the cops and then they the cops got involved and they went on tv to find steven and all this shit broke really really fast and now mix there mix got it got don't worry about mick he's fine he's got it covered so uh finally uh uh they find they find penelope they find penny she's fine fortunately she's dead oh god damn it unfortunately she's found near creek so that's a bad thing yeah 59 years

old her body is found near the mullum mullum creek at donvale uh it's uh they first found her and they they couldn't identify her she'd been out there for a few days so they couldn't identify her. She'd been out there for a few days, so they couldn't make a positive identification on her. But based on the fact that she was the only missing woman in the area and fit the height and weight, she fit the general description. It's her, but they're going to make positive IDs. They find her at about 710 p.m. They said, quote, the body has not been formally identified but it's believed to be

that of penny bailey uh found just uh meters from a parking lot too so it wasn't even basically just parked dragged her out a few feet and dumped her off uh behind some bushes and got back in the car and took off okay this wasn't a real elaborate thing yeah here just just dumped her uh they got they they uh established that crime scene there they get forensic specialists to come in and check everything out and go over everything they set up all these floodlights and so there's just teams of forensic because this is like a rich local family this is they're going to find out what's going on there's teams of people under floodlights just all in the bushland just just all picking through anything they can find.

All the brush and shit. Apparently, the dumping ground, they said, could be seen clearly from a walking track across a little creek. A woman who walked past it on her way home was the person who found it. She just walked by and said it was a local woman named Amy Stevens who called the discovery terrifying, as you might imagine which uh a woman who's been dead for a couple days outside terrible terrifying she also said uh quote i am so shocked because this is such a good area it is so close to home in such a nice area that you just don't expect it to happen so it's very like oh because it is it's a nice upscale they don't live in the ghetto, these people. It used to be nice. Absolutely. Yeah, they said a lot of kids use the area to play sports and shit like that.

So they were happy a kid didn't find the... No doubt. This one person said, quote, there are often scouts teams near here and sausage sizzles. What's a sausage sizzle? Is that one of those like meat carts? I don't know if it's a meat cart or if people make sausage there or I have no fucking idea. There's a sausage sizzle around the corner. Yeah, sausage sizzle.

Is that like a hot dog stand? I'm guessing, yeah. Maybe that's a meat cart. I like that. That sounds good. Or there's a shawarma man down the road. If you put a sausage cart, a sausage sizzle outside of my house, every day I will buy that shit. You can just stop by every day and I'll pick them up.

I swear to Christ. If it was a hot dog cart outside of my house, all I would eat is hot dogs. All I would eat. I would just go there all the time. That's a good point. I made them this weekend with my kids and I fell back in love with hot dogs. Oh, they're the fucking best. They're amazing.

They're incredible. That tube steak is delicious and whether it's just mustard or you put sauerkraut mustard or chili and chili that's what we did incredible it doesn't matter chili dogs are the shit good so um now non-delicious things here um yeah so this woman said quote this is a this is a one in a million nothing like this happens around around here. Stephen was last seen from this point riding his bike away from the house by his sister. Police list him as missing, and they're looking for him now even more intently. Now they find the mother's body here. And finally, he's spotted on a security camera.

Okay. Of all things, he's captured at 6.55 p.m. on closed-circuit TV at Flinders Street Railway Station. This is before his sisters went on TV to plead for him. He was there. He's also been spotted near Lonsdale and Bork Streets between 630 and 7 a.m. on Wednesday morning, which is the next day, wearing a black and white striped shirt, the same one he was wearing the day before on the closed circuit TV. So he doesn't have clothes with him. He doesn't have like a bag. He's just he drove away and rode away on his bike. And here he is.

One place he did go. He was apparently a regular customer at a coffee shop there. It was managed by a woman named Lisa Himberg who talks about him. He stopped here that Wednesday at the coffee shop. And this Lisa Himberg said that he was usually very methodical. He always sat at the same table. He ordered the same drinks. He reads a book while he eats.

And then he pays with cash every time same routine is always what he does she said this day though he was quote out of sorts she said he stared he sat at a different table than he normally does not one that he normally sits at i guess he has a couple if someone's sitting at one he'll sit at this one but there's like three tables where he's only sitting at those tables that's it apparently here he sat at some different table he just picked at the food he ordered he usually eats everything very methodically reads his book he's got a routine um she said he was just out of sorts he stared into space while he was eating yeah weird not like out not like looking outside at the sky he's just staring at the wall just kind

of staring and not eating his food and sitting at a table he's not normally at so they're like what the fuck's wrong with him a little bit creepy here uh she said quote his mind was somewhere else he looked tired and disheveled so yeah because he was out all night wearing the same clothes from yesterday and she's a good judge of character as lisa hemberg uh she didn't feel comfortable talking with him that day because he was acting so funny oh she was like i'm not going to start any conversations with him it seems like something's going on with him that far yeah like he looks a little off like maybe some i mean you don't know too you don't think oh he must be having a psychotic episode but i mean no maybe his girlfriend just broke up or maybe he's just lost his job you never know people are weird sometimes when they're being weird if you're not best friends with them what

the fuck do you need to know about let Let's not be weird with them. Exactly. She said she at that point after he ate, she heard about the police reports that they were looking for him. So she contacted the police right away. She said something wasn't quite right. And then she saw the reports and was like, oh, OK, well, yeah, I should probably call the cops. So police come after he leaves the restaurant and uh they finally find him in the streets uh in kensington uh he this is amazing this is one of the better arrests of all time here crime and sports history he is found in the median of the street between the roads between the roads which is a dangerous place to go wearing only his underpants yes just his underpants. Yes. Just his underpants. Fuck yes. Only...

I... Underpants and only underpants. By the way, underpants stuffed with cash. What? He's... His under... You should have kept your pants on, bro.

His underwear are stuffed with cash. Okay. He's using his underwear like some sort of giant pocket. Yeah. Where he took his pants off and then went, shit, I want to not have off and then went shit i want to

not have pants on but i also want to have money that goes in these pockets i'll just wear it inside my underwear so wow walking down the street with an underwear full of fucking money which is just the strangest thing ever australian nambla dream by the way oh man the bureau of pedophilia is they're like that's why now we know why we gave him the supple award a boy in drawers with with stuff with cash my kind of guy yeah that's my kind of guy right there so he's stuffed with cash uh now he has a while he's being arrested shit goes really really fucking weird and awkward uh he is muttering incoherently about uh he said that the hell that there was helicopters monitoring his movements and people were after him and fucking isis and

earbuds and all sorts of shit he's giving him the whole his whole rundown of of his greatest hits right of his greatest crazy hits he's just he's dancing he's bebopping and scatting all over the place. He, at that point, I see him pitching like a really bad CD. I see him pitching like a direct marketing scheme at this point. And all this can be yours from 1994. So he, at this point, starts telling them he has delusions that he is the Greek philosopher Aristotle. Yes. And also, not only is he the Greek philosopher Aristotle, intermittently he goes from being that to he is the son of the gods Zeus and Athena, who is not Aristotle. the gods zeus and athena who is not aristotle no but he sometimes he's aristotle and sometimes he's the son of goose of goose he's the son of goose and meg ryan and uh top gun

he's the uh son of zeus and athena right and if i'm not then why do i have all this shit-stined money? Exactly. Now, nothing has ever made more sense than that. If I wasn't who I say I was, meaning son of the two main gods, why would there be fecal matter upon my currency now can you explain that to me explain the fecal matter spatter all over me money thank you i'll continue walking down the median now appreciate it i'll be on me wife thanks gentlemen have a good one puts his hand up no no we're done here we're done here thank you riddle me. Thank you. Riddle me that. Here's 10.

Here's a tip. Here's a 10 for you, mate. No. Oh, Jesus Christ. Holy shit. That's great. So there's a paramedic there on the scene because they're like, oh, obviously he's fucking wacky.

We're going to need to involuntarily commit him for the moment. We're not taking him to fucking jail like this he's going to a hospital first uh so they get they get paramedics in here uh so he was complaining about having poison in his veins to the paramedic he's screaming i have poison in my veins and i'm the son of of zeus and athena and oh by the way my name's Aristotle. Nice to meet you. So, yeah, he said she said, quote, he was mumbling about being Aristotle, someone being in the Maribor Maribor Barong River. She said he was scattered in thought. He was disheveled.

Well, yeah, he was walking in the media in his underwear with stuff with shit stained bills. I'd say disheveled is probably a good way to put it damn near make naked man that's that's a disheveled as fuck i would say so that's over and the median yeah no maybe on the sidewalk i'll let it slide but in the fucking median that's when it gets crazy you can walk on the sidewalk do whatever you want but in the median even in new york they'd be like what this what's this fucking nut out of the media jerk off doing what's he doing in the media, and even in New York, they'd be like, what's this fucking nut out of the media? What's this jerk off doing? What's he doing in the media,

you asshole? So apparently he was also, as they were trying to take him in, he was trying to bash his head on the asphalt. He was like swinging his head down, trying to smash it on the asphalt. Finally, this paramedic, Michelle Brown, he wouldn't talk to her

unless she agreed to call him aristotle okay so she said he said i fucking told you that my name is aristotle and she said okay fine aristotle how you feel it she ended up calling him aristotle because otherwise she couldn't communicate with him so he just crossed his arms and went nope i don't hear my name. I hear someone talking, but I don't know. Maybe it's just a fly in the room. I'm not sure. She goes, fine, Aristotle. He's like, oh, what now? Pardon me?

Can I help you with something? He gets all fucking lucid. Let's have a look. See at the blood pressure cuff, would you? Yeah, let's do that. So they take him into custody. By the way, he bites a big chunk of his tongue off in this melee as well. Oh, my God.

Yeah. I'm not sure if it's on purpose or just in the course of trying to slam his head on the concrete or take the money out of his ass. I'm not sure what happened. God, I hope it was on purpose. But he bit a good chunk of his tongue off in the melee as well. That's a new kind of crazy. That is crazy. I would say pants stuffed with underwear, underwear stuffed with money walking down the freeway.

No pants, James. And only your underwear. Yeah. No pants at all. Telling people that you're the son of Zeus and Athena and also Aristotle and possibly Jesus and your sister is actually an ISIS clone. Right. There's problems here. Shit's going down.

So they're going to take him in for a little look-see in the psychiatric hospital. He told his lawyer said that he's not required to go to court the next day because he's so fucking out of it. They're going to try to medicate him and get him down a little bit. Wow. His lawyer said that he was extremely concerned for Stephen, who was in a quote extremely florid state extremely florid i don't think i've ever heard of someone's state described as florid is that florid like no no it's like a colorful like that's what he wants to call that if someone's cursing a lot someone someone would nicely say they're using florid language no so that's not what that is it's i don't i think it's

like my client uh needs some fucking professional help he's my client is crazy as shit my client is crazy as shit covered on money that's yeah that's how crazy my fucking client is one of you there's no reason to have shit on money no ever have you heard the term shit house rat comma crazy as a that's what he is that's my guy so uh yeah he said that this lawyer said that the court needed the client to be returned to the psychiatric hospital and you know he needs to be they're going to sedate him and uh they sedated him so much that they couldn't get him ready for court the next day because he was just they had to this to point to make him stop telling everyone he was Aristotle. Was a point to where he's not okay to appear in public, apparently.

So, wow. The Norwood Football Club president, their silver-haired, middle-aged white man. Let's get them in the mix. Australian silver-haired, middle-aged white man. Paul DiLulio. He said he was surprised when he heard that the guy that steven been arrested he was shocked he said quote i was shocked you're right he was he was shocked quote i was shocked i'm shocked at anything like that it's not good news to hear no no shit i would

really like you'd say i kind of always thought he'd kill his mom i always thought he would i don't know that's a that doesn't have a feeling about people he tell you he was aristotle did he pull that shit that shit too he's saying he's jesus i told him i wasn't in isis i don't know what he's talking about what would it take for this man not to be shocked so he asked if uh he was quiet uh they asked him was he a quiet guy steven and and this uh silver hair middle-aged white man said, quote, that's my understanding. People I have spoken to say he kept to himself, which they did say he was quiet. They said that he had been a,

he said, quote, when he was there at Norwood, this Delulio said, quote, he seemed like a reasonable bloke. He played in on the, he played in the midfield and on the halfback. So he's a reasonable bloke. How he's acting now is the opposite of reasonable, I would say. Whatever reasonable is, this is definitely the opposite of that.

They found him to be floridly psychotic at the hospital, which they use as a medical term over there. Now, I could be completely wrong about why they're using it that way. Probably not. I'm an idiot. So I'm not smart. So if I am wrong, don't tweet me because I'll look it up as soon as I'm done and make sure. And if I'm an idiot, I'm an idiot.

And it might be cut out by now and you won't even know what I'm talking about now. So we'll see. So I won't cut it out. So anyway, she was discovered. His mother was. Penny was discovered. She was discovered, his mother was, Penny was discovered, and they used his phone to track him down kind of where he was eventually. And then they got a phone call and they used that.

So the problem is the judge in this case suppresses the details of the injuries on the murder. Why? So we don't know what happened. We don't know how she was murdered. We don't know what her injuries were. We don't know anything happened we don't know how she was murdered we don't know what her injuries were we don't know anything they suppressed it completely i think it was that bad or is australia just that decent to victims australia they're rich people and i think they're a powerful family and they didn't want that out and they probably fucking have drinks with this judge who the fuck

know i don't know i'm not saying it's bad or good i'm just saying they got it's suppressed yeah they were saying that that's not a real common thing that happens so you're right because i know all about what happened to that that uh that dude that the wife filleted that's what i mean it's not very well to they don't just do it because it's graphic this is this has to be like at the the family has to basically kind of force the issue i think out of this now uh while they after they went to the house after that to search the house to try to do a crime scene on that because they said signs of a struggle with the family so that's something that should be investigated they seize a black uh volkswagen uh

tig tiguan tiguan it's a stupid word uh tiguan america too what the fuck is that australia generally have like different fucking makes and models yeah yeah but for a volkswagen tiguan to be to be there that's interesting yeah they they took that they loaded on a flatbed trailer took it away for forensic uh look see they launched launched an investigation they do the whole deal now uh they they said that uh uh that they were there was a concern from the sisters and that's what kind of got the police involved, obviously. They said they established the crime scene at the home, at Penny and Stephen's home. They said that that's the crime scene.

They found blood inside the townhouse in certain areas, but they wouldn't say how much blood, where they find the blood. But there's blood. There's a sign of a struggle and blood. so they're saying this shit at least started here and they're saying they believe that she was killed there but they won't say how they know that because they won't tip their hand on these fucking injuries and i looked i looked for gossip i looked for something i don't fucking know i want to even if i wasn't going to say it i want to know i've looked at this shit for a week i'm reading all about this i can't even know how this lady died this was just recently so somebody's got to know this is

fucking three years ago it's still going this was going on until eight months ago jesus this whole court thing uh so yeah they said uh they found blood in there they also seized uh two garbage cans like with wheels on them the wheelie bins the wheelie bins exactly uh they said uh they also took a mobile phone into evidence they uh inspecting their they ended up inspecting they found inside the bin uh clothing and gloves which normally people just don't throw out especially right after they killed their mother so you know they're going to look at that and then to analyze that shit it's usually the only time you throw those out yeah that's it usually you know otherwise you keep them even in the dust bag right something uh the neighbors they woke up in the morning in the streets filled with police in this nice neighborhood they said that this was they

didn't hear any disturbance like they did none of the neighbors heard anything coming from the house there was no like a big screaming fight or interesting he didn't go outside claiming he was fucking zeus you know well zeus or anybody else for that matter christ almighty he said he says he's aristotle so it could be anything at this point so uh they said nothing happened there uh they said at the hospital at the thomas embling psychiatric hospital uh they said that he suffered from schizophrenic illness which explained his changed behavior years before which in that time a lot of times too late 20s is when that manifests so that's that makes a lot of sense uh they said he said quote it's not uncommon that people fly

under the radar with their symptoms which also makes a lot of sense they said uh the the court heard that he had uh schizophrenic symptoms including delusions and hallucinations which is um terrible combination scary and fucking horrible yeah uh he also believed this is another one that he was telling the psychiatrist now he believed that members of his family not only were in isis and not only were they out to get him and then and have him be taken to be poisoned by psychiatrists but also members of his family were quote involved in necrophilia and pedophilia and had been quote put there to persecute him holy shit he has lost his fucking

marbles yeah basically yeah he's lost his marbles lost his marbles. It's not coming back. It's not coming back. They keep him in a psychiatric unit for a while. He's sitting there. They have doctors and they do it like, because he's like special crazy to where like they, they have different doctors coming in and out all the time to talk to him. And then there's police people talking to him and they're trying to figure

out if he's sane for court. Is he faking it too? That's the other thing because they don't know if he's faking it. They're like, he just committed a murder. Maybe we should make sure he's not faking it it too that's the other thing because right they don't know if he's faking it they're like he just committed a murder maybe we should make sure he's not faking it so that's the other thing so they have all they have to have all these different doctors talk to him to get their opinions and see if he you know because he could he might display something that shows he's faking it a little bit with one guy and a little bit with the other and if you add them up together they're equals bullshit this equals bullshit so they need a lot of different people here uh which is really weird uh finally they get a particular doctor to come uh i mean i'm sure he seems like an interesting guy if you're a psychiatrist this

is a guy you want to talk to yeah i would think uh probably a pool for this no i would assume yeah they're rock paper scissors on that shit shit all right fine you talked to him so finally though he's sitting there in the cell and they uh one guy comes uh knocks on the knocks on his door and steven answers it and it's not a doctor at all it's the mexican pimp and he says how is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? No, I am a real person. No, you are seeing. Yes, I am here to.

No, I'm not here to kill you. No, I have not had sex with corpses or children. But I was a lifelong member of the Australian Bureau of Pedophilia. Yes, yes. Just to look at the pictures. You know how it is. And I just want Rochambeau to be in there i win with paper paper always cover rock in case you not know anyway i must ask you why you

do this why you have money you have your your mother was like like a prostitute working for you handing you money i don't see any difference Only her you don't have to beat. So it seems much easier. She cannot run to police and say, they hold me against my will, blah, blah, blah. No. So you are stupid. I do not like you. I go now, poof. And in a poof of

tequila, he's gone yeah and uh he and steven sitting there going see i told you i fucking told you guys yeah shit's crazy man so uh now the family here in a statement they said that uh penny bailey would be remembered for her warm heart uh they said that they would uh the quote the Kerr family would like to publicly express its gratitude for the outpouring of support it's received since Penny's disappearance. Penny was a beautiful woman and mother of three children. She'll be remembered for her caring nature, warm heart and love of family. The Kerr family is large. Vivian and Laurie Kerr had nine children. There are 34 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren.

So, yeah, that's what they're talking about. It's 100 people because those two fucked. That's a big fucking family reunion. That's a lot of us. Imagine the fistfights they have at those reunions. Punching each other, fucking Foster's cans flying everywhere. My word. It's a disaster.

It's a Falstas vineyard night. They all box two kangaroos. Yeah, it's a Falsters vineyard night. They all box two kangaroos. Yeah, it's a tournament. It's a tournament. Grandma won last year. So, yeah, that's sort of good family there. They make family statements to the police. The Kerr family's statement to the police.

Like, my family, there'd be like 14. We couldn't even agree. 14 different people would be saying a bunch of different shit. That's fucking stupid. I wouldn't even say that. He's a fucking liar, all right? No, wouldn't even say that he's a fucking liar all right no i talked to me he's a fucking though why are you fucking talking to him for oh what are you talking to my cousin for he doesn't know shit he doesn't he wasn't even fucking there no he never came over to her house he didn't know a fucking thing let me i'll tell you the real fucking story he's a jerk off don't listen to him

that'd be my family fucking ridiculous uh so they also said quote we would like to thank the victoria police for their professionalism and caring and sensitive manner in which they conducted their investigations in other words not letting information out right uh of their private shit so he appears steven appears before magistrate donna bakos uh via a video link uh of the bakos of the Bakos fortune. Little bacon chips on your salad. Of the soy bacon empire that was built. She actually married

Jonathan Hidden from the Hidden Valley Ranch Consortium. And when you combine those families together, you get a tasty salad. It's a powerful salad family. It's a tasty salad it's a powerful salad family it's pretty good it's a good salad with that we are loopy today we are fucking both fucking crazy tired and punchy and fucking traveling to travel this week and it's fun disgusting disgusting discussing discussing

a lunatic yeah which makes it much more fun. Which was amazing. So Stephen Bailey is not going to face a jury trial. He is going to face a judge alone. This is some sort of, that has to do with his competency. The prosecutors agree to this and everybody agrees to this. So basically the judge

ended up hearing the case a little bit and then, well, this bakos came on because the last magistrate who started with this case, a Gerard Lethbridge, had to recuse himself from the case, citing links to the family, links to his family. And it's funny, too, because a psychiatrist was also unable to testify to his report

due to links to the family. Wow. This family is so well known. Anybody in an upper crust position, a judge, a doctor, they all know these fucking people. They all go to the same parties. They know each other. So it's crazy. And Melbourne's a big fucking place.

Melbourne's like a big city, but there's society rings and people run together like in any fucking city. In New York, everybody who's rich knows each other. There's fucking 10 million people there. It doesn't matter. God, I want to be rich. Don't you? Wouldn't it be nice? Just to be at one of those parties all day.

Oh, it would be great. Just to sit in the corner and drink whiskey and be like, is that him? Is that him? That's the guy that owns Wendy's now. Nobody knows his name, but I know. I know him. He's rich. I'm friends with him.

The guy that's the predecessor of Dave. It's right there. Nobody knows. Nobody knows who that guy is. Nobody wants us at a party. No, they don't. That's what I was going to say. They don't want us there at all.

They don't want us there. I'd be fucking making fun of whatever they had and being angry. Making fun of the guy that's not Dave Thomas. You'd be friends with everybody there. Be fucking hilarious. Dave Thomas's predecessor. What's that guy's name? It's Mr. Wendy.

Now, who is it? Johnny Wendy. Johnny Wendy. Johnny Holidays. Johnny Hidden. It was hidden of the Hidden Valley Ranch. His grandparents were on the other side where the valleys. So that's how that worked out.

That's what I want to know. The rich fucks that nobody knows. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're the ones. The guy that invented that shit that open your fingers and zoom in on a picture.

The guy that invented that, I want to know that guy. Well, that guy probably makes very little money. He's probably the guy who invented Chicken McNuggets. He just works for the company and anything he comes up with.

It's like working for Thomas Edison. He just takes your invention and says, Thomas Edison now, motherfucker. He worked for me. Whoever invented something stupid like wire twist ties. I want to know that guy. You want some guy who's like an industrial paving magnate who's worth $300 million, but no one knows who he is because all he owns is a fleet of fucking pavers and no one cares. It's not glamorous, but he's wealthy as shit. That that's who i want to be i'm gonna be that guy

i don't give a shit about people knowing who i am i don't need that shit i want to have three million dollars i know that guy yeah that guy's got a great boat and i'll be the entertainment i don't give a shit i'll be the guy that wanders around saying horrible shit to people yeah go over there and tell that guy's wife that she's a cunt and i'll fucking do it i'm in let's go i want to be that guy the quiet guy nobody knows sits back i don't need to be famous i don't know i don't need fucking i'm married i don't need women on me it's like the old wu-tang quote and never mind the pussy give me the money in the weed right fuck that shit i heard that i was like yeah it's a good quote money fuck the fame that's a good quote. Money fucked the fame. That's it, man. Simple man. That's right, baby. I'm a simple man.

So they call in a pathologist to give an expert opinion onto the injuries of her. They were trying to determine whether it was inflicted in a frenzied attack, how much force was applied. Basically, how crazy was he? Right. Does this look like a crazy person tore into someone or does this look like a calculated, you know, attack is what they're doing here. They said that, you know, they were trying to figure it out. The judge or the prosecutor said, quote, we're not in a position to put all our eggs in one basket at this stage. So there is a committal hearing for him here because they're trying to figure out if he's sane enough, which I could tell you now. Probably not her.

His two sisters gave evidence on his poor mental health, his history of mental health, how his personality changed over the last few years. The the the defense lawyers tried to get suppression off orders to ban any of the publication of the hearing, any of anything about him. They wanted to be suppressed along with the information that's already suppressed about the mother's injuries. He's arguing, he said,

arguing he has a quote complex constellation of mental health issues and would become a target while in custody, which could result in him being moved to protective custody. So that's what they're saying. They argued that uh this could put him at risk of self-harm because he's a fucking mess and uh basically they said uh they're going to suppress all they ended up suppressing was the nature of the injuries nothing about him now uh 2016 a quick aside, Patrick Kerr, who is one of Vivian and Laurie's grandchildren, is drafted by Carlton, the team that Laurie played for. Vivian Kerr, this is in the middle of the murder trial. She's delighted about all this.

She said, quote, I'm over the moon. To hear Patrick's name called was incredible uh so they're saying that she's the current number one ticket holder number one female ticket holder okay and she was whatever he was a fourth round selection number 55 overall that sounds great that sounds wonderful uh vivian said that uh the lead-up was excruciating and she said quote i was at patrick's home sitting next to him waiting anxiously. I was terribly nervous and I think it's a cruel process, but he is wrapped. He is wrapped with the outcome.

And so am I. So all's well that ends well is what she just said there. She then starts going into his football ability. She says, quote, Patrick is a very good footballer. He mightn't be as flashy as some of the smaller blokes he's at his age but he's a very big boy he turns 18 at the end of july and i reckon he stands at six foot five wow that's a big fucking kid yeah they asked him what would they asked her what would laurie think of him and she says laurie would have been over the moon he would have been

critical of patrick too but not just him laurie the same with Peter, Mark, and Stephen. Not this Stephen. Another Stephen. The other Stephen. The son Stephen. He always told them what he thought they did wrong, but he encouraged them too, like you wouldn't believe. So she says that she told him that she likes players who go in hard for the ball, like Laurie, her husband, used to. And she also, she's giving this, she's like coaching this kid.

He said, quote, she's always telling me to use my hips because i've got the big body she actually got up and demonstrated it to me a few uh one time a few years ago she gave me a bit of a bit of a push and showed me how to mark she doesn't think i've got it yet but i'm working on it she's getting fucking criticized by his grandmother but his football abilities yeah that's what she is yeah absolutely so uh back to steven here psychiatrist mark ryan he tells the court that bailey uh at times while he talked to him thought he was jesus uh thought he was a genius and also thought he was a god who had been chosen to be the leader of the new world order yes so and you know once

in a while he's jesus sometime he's just a genius. And sometimes he's the chosen new world order leading God. Yeah. He believed that he had to flee from the Islamic State and that his family weren't who they said they were. That's what he believes. Yeah. So there's all of that. And he's fleeing from the Islamic State. Quote, he thought his family was not his family and that they were there to persecute him and while they're being not only members of isis but a pedophilic necrophilic cabal it's fantastic

there's a lot going on here there's a lot happening this is one of the crazy this is like i could i be a boochie level crazy yeah this he might be the craziest guy we've had so far certainly he's the craziest like did iiy Abuchi kill? No, but he fucking was this crazy. He thought there was demons in the air conditioner, and he attacked people, but he just didn't kill anybody. Well, we don't know if he did either. That's a good point. So, yeah, they talk about how he was seen in 2013 by a crisis assessment and treatment team, but was largely untreated

up until the time of his mother's death. His relatives raised concerns that he was faking his symptoms. Oh, no, Stephen. Now, Dr. Ryan here said that it was, quote, very, very difficult to feign psychosis and especially difficult to fool a group of experienced mental health experts

who saw Mr. Bailey over a long time. Like I said, this isn't one guy. They sent fucking everybody, every doctor they had, the Mexican pimp, anybody they could manage to throw at him. You talk to him and see what the fuck you think. Dr. Ryan said, quote, I don't think he was making this up. I don't know anyone who has malingered a psychosis like that. I don't know if everybody has malingered a psychosis like that i don't know if anybody everybody knows what lingering is malingering is faking a psycho a psychiatric

condition to uh benefit yourself yeah so that's the part yeah it's a major part yeah the benefit yeah if you're trying to if crazy would get you out of prison and you act a special kind of crazy that's malingering i don't know if everybody knows that term or just us because we read way too many court documents i'm not sure he said i don't know anyone who was malingered like that uh they said that he was uh they said it's not he doesn't believe that now another psychiatrist said that uh which included the suggestion of a police officer told the family that uh they thought he was he was faking and then the psychosis was all a preconceived stunt which he'd have to preconceive it for more than two years yeah

so that's a big lead up it's a lot of planning certainly you don't hear about two-year planned murders that often here uh so dr ryan said the fact that bailey was once a high functioning individual who studied law ran his own business and played high level VFL football had protected him from his illness. He said it doesn't, it wasn't like it never happened or he never had it. He said that shit just kept it at bay because he was doing things in a structured lifestyle. He had a structure and he had a lot of things and it kept it at bay. And then when that started to fall apart, little, that's, it's like little, little threads start coming off your shirt.

Yeah. And if a little thread gets pulled another little thread that's a whole sleeve eventually your sleeves are fucking then you're a sleeveless man on one side yep and and that's all together on the other and that's what happens with a lot of athletes that we find out whether it's substance abuse gets kind of structured in like they have to be a practice like ben cousins right when he was playing he was great he'd have to be a practice every day so he couldn't do it but if he had two weeks off yeah fucking bender time let's go so it's if the structure helps people even i guess in a mental in a mental way here uh another consulting uh psychiatrist uh uh here said that quote he believed himself to be

aristotle and he believed that he was leading the New World Order. He tells that to the court. Court heard a police officer. The police officer is the one that told his family that it was all a preconceived stunt after the arrest. They said, he's not really fucking crazy. This is all a big stunt. That's what the cops told his family. You can't do that.

No, especially because they're not medical experts at all. You're not a professional. And the doctor here said that lay people can form views based on superficial understanding of psychotic illness. Yeah, you're not a doctor. There's a reason people go to fucking medical school for this shit. You have to know things. He said, the doctor here said, quote, this was not some concocted story.

This was a genuine case of a man afflicted with a psychotic illness. So, yeah. this was a genuine case of a man afflicted with a psychotic illness so uh yeah they also said uh the family asked the doctor whether rage anger or depression were an alternate alternative diagnosis he said quote it's clear that uh it's clear that this is a psychotic condition and not a mood disorder so this is a different thing he's saying this isn't just he's a little depressed he's a little sad and he had a little rage or anything like that they're saying not that it's bad not that a little depressed is nothing but they're saying this is a psychotic he's disassociating yeah he's dissociating with reality which is a totally different thing long gone well that's the difference between like when when people plead

insanity that's the only way that they're insane is did you have a psychotic incident where you lost touch with reality right didn't know time place all that type of shit you know didn't know that something was wrong didn't even know that you were doing anything wrong or if you did you didn't know it was wrong you thought it was whatever you didn't try to hide it and all that type of shit now uh yeah they said that all these doctors uh all these doctors said they assessed Bailey in person. They listened to audio recordings of his rambling speech following his arrest. They really studied this well. Dr. Deacon finally said, my personal view, my professional view is that this is not a concocted story.

This is a genuinely, he's genuinely afflicted by psychotic illness. So the court also hears that he had $70,000 in debt at this time. I thought you were going to say 70 grand stuffed in his drawer. Yeah, that's a lot. That'd be a shitload. Huge. That's how they spotted him. Giant underwear coming down the street.

So yeah, he had $70,000 in debt. So they were saying maybe that was part of the family was saying, was that one of his motivations? Was he was trying to get some kind of inheritance or something? Both psychiatrists said financial stress did not motivate him to kill at all. He wasn't in reality enough to know that he was in financial peril. Somebody that lives with their mom. How do you get 70 grand in debt? It's because you don't know. Well, plus taxes. Who knows what he was doing? You don't realize how far in debt you are. No, I know. You say credit cards and everything else. They said instead, the doctor said that he'd been confused and perplexed afterwards after the killing and showed signs of genuine distress.

Like he would. He was confused and didn't know what he was fucking doing. They said his intelligence and high functioning past meant he probably stayed, quote, under the radar, and his mental health problems weren't obvious to others, which is true. Who knows at the end of the night what was going on in his head, but he played it off. He pulled it off and played it normal, basically. They said that now that he's getting treatment, he has better insight into his mental health. They expect to announce a verdict on Thursday.

If they find him not guilty based on insanity, he could still be kept in custody forever. Yeah. He's currently also facing prison and a wait of at least six months before a bed is available at the psychiatric facility also. So he's got those problems here. Now, if the judge is not satisfied by the defense of the whole crazy thing, the case could end up going before a jury, which would look bad for the jury. Defense lawyers said they applied for evidence about his mental health to be suppressed again, and they didn't get it. So brother-in-law said about the court appearance afterwards, he said it was like he was a different person. He said about Stephen, quote, he was rude, angry, and his body language was hostile.

That's what made me feel very uncomfortable. They said that he was always a polite, polite. They just remember him as a polite young guy who loved football. They were like, this is just not him. And they don't know what the hell to make of this whole thing. So April 2017, this goes on here. This is the court. They find that he suffered from active psychosis

since 2013. He's diagnosed as schizophrenic. The mental impairment defense is accepted because he shows that he did not know what he was doing or did not understand it was wrong to do what he did, basically. Psychotic delusions are one of those things that caused that. Now, they heard all about this. They heard all about the god shit and all that sort of thing and finally the doctor to seal it yeah brings this up oh boy he says that this is this is a new one okay he dr ryan says that steven was convinced that his mother was intimately involved with the quote mime order.

Yeah. A powerful group of individuals who are out to kill him. Silent. Silent. Silent killers. They come. Yeah. They're like they're extra ninja.

Yeah. They're coming super silent. They're not even like talking to each other afterwards to celebrate. They just like mouth like a job. A mime ninjas. Mime order. Oh, my more. The mime order oh my more the mime order the same that's what he means i don't know who the fuck knows what he means they're silent but deadly he all he would say is she's involved with the mime order oh boy no one knew what that means

what that is is that a real thing right i looked it up it's just my there's pictures of mimes i have no fucking idea okay Okay. Mime order. Powerful group of individuals out to kill him. Well, you can't look them up, James. No, because they're hiding. Yeah. They're very quiet. They're invisible.

He quote, he had to prove he was on the side of the gods. He had to do something to prove to the gods that he was worthy of being the leader of the new World Order, is what the psychiatrist told the court. This is why he killed his mother. His mother was working for a bunch of mimes, and to prove to the New World Order that he was good enough to be their leader and was on the side of the gods, he had to kill her to show that he had not taken any shit from the mimes, whether his mom's involved or not, motherfucker. So, prosecutors accept

the not guilty plea uh but uh like we said the uh they they the psychiatrists are saying it's a it's not a concocted story this is a fucking disaster this is bananas a mess aristotle and gods and fucking mimes this is a what do you even i don't know how to even process any i mean i the family there i this is like a nice family it's been fine for 50 years and now this fucking shit happens like too much it's too much i honestly and i never say this about like usually like uh blue blood rich for generations people i feel bad for these people a little bit i kind of do you know what i mean don't you but not nearly as bad as i feel for stephen bailey uh who is a uh he's got a verified account on twitter this guy and he only has 4900 followers so i don't know how the

fuck he pulled that off what the fuck are you doing he's a syracuse beat writer for syracuse.com at the daily orange that guy gets to be verified he gets to be verified because syracuse beat writer for syracuse.com at the daily orange that guy gets to be verified and he gets to be verified because syracuse probably i don't give a fuck syracuse i don't know he writes about them yeah he has a blog for fuck's sake 4900 followers that guy yeah you suck steven bailey but you're not for you you're not a psychotic murderer who killed his mother so uh steven bailey experienced financial planner and entrepreneur specializing in capital raising and strategic advice for innovative companies in other words you pay him to give you fucking advice that he can't follow

himself right because he has a job he has a job doing that that's what that means that's exactly what that fucking means i'll tell you how to start a company why don't you start one i don't know i don't have any money i don't have any money he says quote in my role as director of straight arrow financial services i guide the business and advisors in providing professional financial advice look at you i'm sure he's good at his job yeah uh stephen bailey senior whs inspector for the australian government oh no in uh newcastle here uh he worked yeah, he's been all over the place here. He was a quality auditing teacher at TAFE NSW, whatever the fuck that was before that.

Also, Stephen Bailey, a professor at the University of South Australia. No. That's tough. And finally, Stephen Bailey, a comedian in the UK. I have a description from a website here. Stephen Bailey is a comedian, television personality, and writer. Stephen's brand of gossipy humor has made him one of the most sought-after comedians

performing on the UK comedy circuit. Here's a review for him. He has an arch bitch with a winning smile. Everyone's favorite gay best friend. Bailey is confident, funny, and suitably rude. He also calls it the circuit, so he's not a

comic well yeah i'm sure that might have to do with uh i know that maybe it's a gay circuit he's talking about i don't know i don't know there's no circuit you know what one more okay there's one more let's just say he is a comic so he's a psychopath he just hasn't murdered his mother exactly because he has comedy right if he ever quits comedy keep his mother keep an eye on his mother it's going off the rails one more steven bailey a politician with the australian sex party oh my the what the sex party yeah now i had to google australian sex party and uh not a lot of political information forthcoming right away mainly get down a few pages mainly just uh a lot of uh yeah a lot of political information forthcoming right away. Mainly. After you get down a few pages? Mainly just a lot of, yeah, a lot of lesbian action for some reason.

There's a lot of videos titled Hairy Lesbians for some reason. I don't know what it is about Australia, but that's the title. Australian dudes really want to try to get their women with other women. It's a very bizarre thing. I know that to be a fact. It's strange. World over, probably. I think it's a common problem.

But they really push hard. So the sex party here is currently, I guess, called the Reason Party. It's an Australian political party founded in 2009 as the Australian Sex Party. They changed their name in 2017 because no one could google them without finding fucking porno you couldn't fucking even look for them you could i'd like to donate money to the sex party oh not her not her not this party jesus but i love what they're about the australian sex party was founded as in response to concerns over the increasing influence of religion in australian politics and proposed and that this group the other group, not the sex party,

proposed an introduction of an internet filter. So that's what the... That's why they did that. And they did all this. Yeah, because there's commerce. It was born out of an adult industry lobby, obviously. But either way, good. Keep those fuckers out of that shit.

Prostitution's legal there, for Christ's sake. Is it? I don't know anything about it. Australia? yeah yeah so uh that's stephen bailey there now june 22nd 2018 finally uh uh gregory kerr tells the court here there's a court thing that he feels betrayed by his nephew uh the justice here stephen k said that uh penny had been described to him by friends and family as kind gentle caring person who is much loved by her family he says quote the circumstances in which she died must have been particularly terrifying for her it's appalling for her to have died in

such violent circumstances in her own home at the hands of a son whom she had given so much care and support everything uh i would fucking say so uh that is a big you sir may fuck off uh he is sentenced to the thomas embling psychiatric hospital for a period of 25 years oh boy at least that's uh i think's going to get out. Maybe. Or if he's fucking not sane by then. Yeah. Yeah, they said that she suffered greatly during her death, and the large family and the grief that he caused throughout all these people makes it a lot worse. He said that evidence presented to the court indicated that Stephen's mental state had deteriorated in the four years before the offense. He does believe that he believes the psychiatrists who say that he's severely psychotic at the time of the event.

The judge is satisfied with that. They said that he was, quote, not able to reason with sense and composure as to the wrongful nature of his actions and thus qualified for a finding of mental impairment uh so he's uh yeah he's had a bunch his final hearing has been adjourned a bunch of times while he waits for a bed at the mental institution uh he would he resides at these psychosocial rehabilitation unit psychosocial jesus christ um sounds like a party yeah uh while there the judge said evidence showed he experienced quote intermittent exacerbations of pre uh of persecutory ideas a sense that he was in danger of being harmed or killed while he's in the while he's in the unit so they said it's it's even gone to there even while he's medicated he's had these weird states where he's afraid he won't eat anything

he thinks there's poison and everybody's after him and all this shit here. So yeah, they said that he had delusional perceptions relating to body language of other people. So he would take some just little innocuous piece of body language as something that really means something. That's psychosis right there. To body language of other people, referential ideas relating to the television.

Like somebody would say something, he goes, oh, that's a code for... Oh, not that guy. He's doing shit like that. Like, oh, they're speaking to me through the TV and code and telling me through the TV that his body language means he's going to kill me. Unbelievable.

Shit like that. He's a fucking... That's too much. He's having a mental problem. That's far. They said there was persisting ideas, quote unquote, that's like a psychiatric term, relating to the gods,

they said, from whom he still believed he was receiving messages. This is as of this year and had expressed significant feelings of guilt also because he didn't want, he feels guilty about killing his mother, but he said,

you know, I got to be the leader of the new world order and I needed to prove it to the gods. I feel fucking bad about that. Don't get me wrong. But some things are more important. Some things the whole is more important than the individual. That's all I'm saying.

So I killed her. Wow. Benefit the group. Got to benefit the group. They said, yeah, the judge, the judge said in a case such as this, where there's a direct cause, a relationship between Mr. Bailey's psychosis and his offending, where the in no circumstances clear that in an interest of the community and of mr bailey himself the only appropriate order to be made in this case is uh to imposition of a custodial supervision order and that is where stephen bailey remains wow and

will remain until who the hell knows 2040 fucking something so that's stephen bailey there you go australia australia we've had a lot of people lately just sending us a ton of Australian stuff. And the Australian listeners are fucking awesome. And they're really loyal and they're really into it. And they send us tons of stuff. Please do Australian stuff. They want us to come

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It's Negro. I can't do that. Why? No, because I don't know if it's Negro or Negro. So the whole time Vinny Del Negro played in the NBA, you never said his name once? Del I can say. Okay. Because that's two less names.

Go with Negro. It's I. It's an I. It feels dirty. That's what it is. Don't say it then. It's Elizabeth. Thank you, Elizabeth.

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It's a G, and I'm not saying it. I hope so. I already said it, so it doesn't matter. Ty Jaeger or Jaeger. It's probably Jaeger, right? Probably. Yeah, yeah. Alexis Laster, Naima Shea, Corinne Cox, Lisa Jensen, Elizabeth Holzkamper, Jesus, Ryan

Sweet, Jessica Fantaccione. Nice. I think so. Nice. I like it kp drevel uh miles miles baron uh lauren demirath ask me snipes was it sipes soaps fuck is it snipes fuck it's ask me that's what it is mike jones yeah mike jones test divine stephen rude george wilson hayley marbled ashley vo uh Mike Jones yeah Mike Jones Tess Devine Steven Rude George Wilson Haley Marble Ashley Veo

Grace Brunais Emily Grace Brittany and Patrick I forget their last names they told me I believe god damn it thank you both so much

and happy birthday to Charm Charm Hires her name is the most difficult name ever but thank you guys all so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We appreciate it more than we could possibly express in another 150 episodes. Truly. Or 450 or 600. It doesn't matter. Time is so finite, and you guys invest so much for us, and then on top of that, you're hard-earned cash, and we truly can't thank you enough for both of those.

We really, really can't. And Jimmy, what if somebody wanted to thank you how could they do it you can find me at wisman sucks wh is man sucks on twitter instagram and snapchat and it's been an amazing three years and thank you guys for being around for however long you've been here i appreciate it where can they tell you absolutely you can find me at jimmy p is funny or copy and paste my last name from the show description because it's a long one and you'll fuck it up. You're not Aristotle. That's the thing. You're not the son of the gods. I don't even know if I can spell that. That's what I mean.

So just copy and paste it. Do all that. Keep coming back and seeing us for another 150 episodes because we're not going anywhere. I don't know if there's 150 more athletes left but we'll find as many as we can, damn it. And we'll keep doing this for as long as we possibly can until it and we'll keep doing this for as long as we possibly can until it kills us

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