Crime in Sports - #158 - A First Class Crack Smoker - The Prolificness of Sammy Stewart

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

This week, we journey down a path that has surprises at every turn. As a young man, sports was all he was consumed by, never even understanding why people would ever want to do drugs. A major... league baseball career later, cocaine was all he was consumed by. He lived on the streets, panhandled, ignored his family, and most of all, smoked a whole lot of crack. Prison, deaths, embarrassment, nothing seemed to stop his desire to destroy his life. Good thing for us, it's as hilarious as it is sad!! Fight your way from nowhere to the World Series, smoke more crack than you thought to be humanly possible, and panhandle by lying to people & telling them that your daughter died with Sammy "The Throwin' Swannanoan" Stewart!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:26 My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us on another crazy, wild, death-defying, insane edition of Crime and Sports. Great. And we have been on a roll lately. Last week with Niall Ranger, which was just a... That was awesome. That was a lot of arrests and a lot of stuff going on there i'm really glad i know who that is oh god he's the best isn't he the best him and uh mitch green
Starting point is 00:01:50 before that and we had jim the anvil it's we've been on we've been on a roll lately and uh we are not going to stop this role this week because we have one of the craziest damn stories it's one of those guys where i'm like how have i not heard everything about this guy i don't understand it i feel like everything this is one of those stories that we should all know we all know daryl strawberry and we all know like lenny dykstra we all know these crazy stories but we don't know this guy's story and it's crazier than all of them so uh we'll talk about that though crazier than both of them crazier than both of them great not maybe not crazier than mitch green i don't think that's possible pretty he's a lunatic man it's not possible to be crazier than a man who just takes over a gas station and not robs it but starts working it
Starting point is 00:02:30 like what's in the register isn't enough i'll take as the customers come to that's a a whole other level of crime i've never seen before uh that i'm still amazed by that because the if you think about it from like an a to b standpoint, he was just like, well, I'll just stay there. People keep coming with money. I'll just keep taking money. Like, it makes sense. It makes perfect sense. Not, you know, what do you do after that?
Starting point is 00:02:52 But, I mean, from an A to B, you're like, yeah, that's how you get money. Stop selling like crazy. It's going to work. Check your oil, sir. I cannot believe that. Wiper fluid is out there. Your back passenger tire is about two pounds low. I'm going to hit it up.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Hold on. I've got to fill it up. He's filling tires, working for tips. He put the little uniform on. The bell's ringing. He's running. He's got the change thing. Oh, man.
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Starting point is 00:05:29 But never mind all that. Without further ado, we have to get into this story because it is a lot of police action. This is another one where we're going to say the crime and sports motto is going to ring true of crime and sports. Not so much sports. Probably a lot of crime. Yeah, that's where we're at today. Not a big career. He had a decent career, but it's so overshadowed by the mountain of crime that it's just silly
Starting point is 00:05:55 to even spend a lot of time on the sports stuff. Let's get right into this. It is Samuel Lee Stewart Jr. Sam Stewart Jr. Of course, he's a junior. He's got to. Sammy Stewart. He's a Major League Baseball player.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I was going to guess baseball. In the 80s, early 80s. Royals? No, no, no. Not at all. This is my favorite thing. Jimmy's team guests. I love it.
Starting point is 00:06:17 The Expos. Nope. He sees blue, everybody. He sees blue on the man, even though neither team he played for wore blue. Oh, Jesus. Or all three, actually. Oh, wow. No, no blue. everybody he sees blue on the man even though neither team he played for wore blue oh jesus they're all three actually oh wow no no blue you got three teams and not not one out blue let's give it another guess what else you got it's pretty ballsy it's not bad it's pretty impressive one sort of clearly played for the cardinals nope did not how about the angels
Starting point is 00:06:39 nope not the angels either this is good that's all I've got left. All right, well, the other teams that he played. Everything else that I see is blue. That's amazing. How about the Reds? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't play for them. They're all red. Yeah, I didn't play for them either, though.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Let's get into this here. So, Sammy Stewart. That's awesome. We're off to a hot start. We are. Right away with the junior is a problem when you see that. I was like, oh, boy. When I saw him. He's going way heavily. Yeah, when I started looking into this guy, I'm like, well, there's junior right away.
Starting point is 00:07:08 This is an issue. And then the junior behavior just comes out of his pores. Like when someone eats too much garlic and it comes out of their pores and you can smell them from the next room, you can smell junior wafting from a town over with this guy. Falling out of his A's jersey? Yeah. No, not the A's, though. Falling out of his jersey that does not belong to the Oakland A's.
Starting point is 00:07:28 His nickname is the Throwin' Swananoan. What is that? That doesn't even make sense. If you could have seen Jimmy's face go blank just now as far as, shit, what country is that? He went, oh, my God, I don't know that. Go, Swananoa, is that a country? Is that for real? That is a place in North Carolinaolina that he lived so he's from swananoa so that's that's the issue
Starting point is 00:07:50 so the throwing swananoa okay yeah interesting they're really reaching they're reaching hard but uh this guy's a character so he's a character back in the day you had to have if you have a like a character relief pitcher they have to have a nickname of some kind it's just one of those things the hungarian uh he came up in 78 we'll get into the whole thing that was his rookie year If you have a character relief picture, they have to have a nickname of some kind. It's just one of those things. The Hungarian. He came up in 78. We'll get into the whole thing. That was his rookie year. He's born October 28, 1954 in Hendersonville, North Carolina.
Starting point is 00:08:15 He grows up. Man, his parents, they're some rugged people. His father, Samuel Sr., obviously, was a World War II vet. Oh, boy. Yeah. So, I mean, this is anybody born in 54. My dad was born in like 57. So that era their dads are
Starting point is 00:08:29 their dads are hardcore. Ass kickers. Yeah. Real men. They beat Hitler. Like we've talked about before you know we respect everybody's military whatever country or your service and all that. Respect the shit out of it. None of you are fighting Hitler. No. If you beat Hitler, that's special.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Throughout history, I don't care if it's gladiators or all the way through. Still got a couple of levels to beat. You beat Hitler. That's pretty good. So, I mean, it's just you beat the head villain
Starting point is 00:08:58 at the end of the last level of the game. That's Hitler. That is Pete. He pops out with his little digitized 8-bit mustache and he dances back and forth like bowser in an old mario game hell yeah and you have to hit him with knishes because that's what kills him it's it knish knish knish matzah drilling him with knish matzah knish knish matzah that's what you do knish down low matzah, kanish, kanish, matzah. That's what you do. Kanish down low, matzah to the head.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Boom, and it takes him down eventually, and he falls down on his back like a turtle, and his arms and his feet kick around. And then you go up and shave his mustache off and keep it as a souvenir. That is the war of the people with the worst foods. Yeah, that is. That is a terrible couple of cuisines. That is a bad... It's not good. They intertwine a lot, which is another problem.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Yeah, those are not great. That's gross food. Yeah, that's a lot of good. It all tastes spoiled. Yeah, it's true. It all tastes bad. Sorry, Germans and Jews, but your food is not wonderful. Get back in the kitchen.
Starting point is 00:09:57 I grew up in New York, so obviously a lot of Jewish friends. And when you're growing up and you look Italian, people ask you if you're Jewish and vice versa, because we sort of look alike. So a lot of a Jewish kid would be like, you're growing up and you look Italian, people ask you if you're Jewish and vice versa. We sort of look alike. So a lot of like a Jewish kid be like, you remember the tribe? And I'd go, nope, I'm a member of the tribe with better food. Same thing, just better food. And they go, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I can't disagree with that. I've been to your house. Yeah, pretty much the same thing. Sarcastic. Turn around and go, shh, the mob don't exist. Yeah. Overprotective parents that all that all the whole thing yeah plus uh we just have better food now they will feed you good yeah jewish people it's just it's just gross food yeah it's just not food i want it's just gross but
Starting point is 00:10:36 pack it full of that smelly yuck shit so uh samuel senior though uh he's in world war ii and uh it was a hard man his father was a rugged son of a bitch and he you know was back then you wanted your kid to be tough like you and all that sort of shit especially like in the south in the 50s and early 60s and the dad was a world war ii vet his dad kept working after he lost an arm in the textile mill. What the fuck? So his dad comes home from the war, he's working in a textile mill, loses his arm in a goddamn machine, and then just keeps working one arm
Starting point is 00:11:11 with his shirt pin sleeved. Who do you think he is, the drummer of Def Leppard? That's what I mean, he's just fine. Take a rest, sir. You've done enough. Yeah, we can still make hysteria. It's gonna be great. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Pour some sugar on me, it'll be our biggest hit. Don't worry about it. Yeah, no, no no the drums can just be like it sounds yeah it's okay if it sounds like shit no one cares just give me a double bass i'll fill it in it's the 80s poison's popular it's fine it's fine no one cares no i can still make a beat i can dance hear that it's fucking better than they got don't worry about it we got this dude with wingers on the charts it's fine we're good we're good right now on the chart yeah we're gonna make it a song from a fucking movie is up there we'll be all right yeah it's no worries at all gonna be fine uh so his father is one-armed world war ii veteran yeah so that dude comes home from
Starting point is 00:12:14 work at the textile mill with one arm he has got to be a fucking strict son of a bitch i'm just thinking that's the hardest conversation to have yeah somebody with a sleeve pinned up oh well how uncomfortable are you it's tough you want to just go can i get that for you whatever you want to get do you need anything feel greedy like you i feel so entitled i can pick anything up yeah within i mean a weight limit it's true you're just fucked so i just always think i no matter how like whatever like look, I could kick that dude's ass. That World War II vet with one arm could probably still beat the shit out of me. I don't think so. Let's say he's got no left arm.
Starting point is 00:12:52 I just keep going to my right around in a circle, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, and he's just swinging wildly trying to chase me. I think it's over, man. I think I can take him. Sweet fuck. There's no more awkward feeling though it's beating up an armless world war two veteran there really isn't an arm but you have to prove it to yourself sometimes jimmy that's the thing it's to yourself it's not the realization that this person in front of me has
Starting point is 00:13:19 one arm that is the most difficult you can't are you gonna acknowledge it you can't acknowledge it because then then you're the hackiest guy in his life you know what i mean yeah you just got to pretend that thing doesn't exist and i picture this guy's coming home with uh flannel shirt overalls flannel shirt sleeve pinned up yeah that's it's a rough conversation to have man it's just rough it's just rough did you do your homework wow it's not a safety pins that man owns i don't own a single one i've never seen one since i was in school you hope it's like one's in something if you need one do i have have i bought a colored shirt recently yeah something a little bag of push pins yeah well that or the little bag they have with the little bag of uh extra
Starting point is 00:14:05 button that comes on it there now his mother fay yeah worked at the same uh jesus christ man she worked at the same blanket manufacturer from like the time she was a child uh where she kept this job even after she lost her leg in an accident. What the fuck is going on with this family? Why are you both... Get new jobs. Yeah. You're working for textile, this lady's making blankets,
Starting point is 00:14:33 and you're both losing limbs. And how dangerous is blanket making that you're losing legs? Apparently, a whole leg just gnawed right off in the process. That's so much leg. That's a lot of leg, and that's a lot going on. Wow. I don't understand. Is she, like like working
Starting point is 00:14:46 the wheel on the on the feet you know what i mean decided to swallow half of her body what the fuck is going on grew teeth and ate her wow so he's got a leg a legless mom and an armless dad wow so he basically he's averting his gaze a lot we'll put it that way he's just trying not to look at things his whole life so that's an uncomfortable way to wake up there to grow up. Just never fucking being able to look at anything. Can't look down. Can't look up. Hey, mom.
Starting point is 00:15:12 That shit. Just looking at the floor the whole time. His older sister, Linda, said that she said he was just the every he just drew everybody in as a child. She said, quote, If you look into his eyes, they just sparkled and they just drew you in. When you were talking to him, you felt like he was really listening to you. So that was people liked him, apparently. What is she missing?
Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah, she's she has no head. Unfortunately, she speaks from a machine that comes out of her neck. It's very sad. These are words of a man who's missing a finger for Christ's sake. And thank Christ this thing is so almost unnoticeable unless you're really looking at my hand. Really making a spectacle out of it. Waving it around. An arm gone.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Jesus. A whole arm or a whole leg. That's a lot. The sister said that he was always the parent's golden boy. He was their favorite son. He has two sisters and he's the only boy. So he was kind of the prince of the family there. She said that she always just loved her brother, though.
Starting point is 00:16:18 The older sister always had a thing. She always was taken in by her brother and always trying to protect him. Later on, they had a good relationship, too. so that kind of stays with him, his sister Linda. His parents were tough. If he didn't get up for school on the first call of wake up, she'd go in and dump cold water on him in bed and shit like that. They're harsh, old school kind of parents. His parents would do that? That's his parents, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:41 That's his legless mom. She'd hop up there. I don't know how she'd get a bucket of water. On him? I mean, it would be gone by the time she got there. Make a shitload of noise as she drags it across the floor. Either that or she's hopping, which is going to be really, the water's going to spill. It's just splashing all over.
Starting point is 00:16:57 It's not going to be good, man. It's not going to be great. By the time she gets up there, that's what it is. She just kind of spritzes him. Maybe. By the time she gets up there, it's just like a squirt bottle in his face the advent of the water gun was really a big day for her she just loaded up the super soaker and just fucking hopped up there get up bitch and started spraying him down wouldn't be dad that takes two hands yeah yeah he's you gotta pump
Starting point is 00:17:19 that shit well he's gonna pump squirt pump pump he just has to keep stopping between his legs yeah he can't looks like he's talking yeah and even then he still has no trigger so he's gonna be in trouble he needs to uh that's the the key to a super soaker is to shoot and pump right same time now you're talking then you can you're getting it all in there but if you have to pump and then shoot you're gonna get you're gonna get smoked man you got no chance you'll be dripping before you fire a squirt you might as well jump in the pool at that point it's over for you so uh sammy grows up pretty big grows up to be six foot three 200 pounds so big dude uh you know about 210 is his playing weight and you know big guy especially for back then that's a pretty big dude uh he goes to charles d owen high school which is a public
Starting point is 00:18:06 school there uh i looked it up i was doing some research it's current principal's name is meg turner in case you're interested i don't know why that's important but that's there they say that a lot she must decide i want my name on shit put my name on the wikipedia they're proud of her yeah they had to update that yeah she said update it i'm principal now i want get in there go i could see her at home like current principal meg turner period and she threw megan there like that's her real name yeah meg come on megan uh so this high school is known for its football program uh they uh they have 17 conference championships as of 2008 which is a lot uh and the women's cross-country program won the state title in 1988 and the men's uh cross-country
Starting point is 00:18:54 program won in 2004 five seven and eight state championships and the softball team took home uh state back-to-back championships in 2000 2001 so they're they're on it's a good sports it's down south too there's a lot of sports going on it's a good sports school uh other people who went here other alumni uh patricia cornwell the true crime author the uh she writes shit loads of of crime she writes i don't know if she's true crime i think she writes fucking just uh fiction fiction i think i don't remember brad doherty oh remember think she writes fucking fiction, I think. I don't remember. Brad Doherty. Oh!
Starting point is 00:19:26 Remember Brad Doherty, the NBA player? Unfortunately. Yeah, for the Cleveland Cavaliers. One of the most boring players in the history of the NBA. Him and Danny Ferry on the same team. They belonged in the 50s, those guys. They're so fucking boring. Brad Johnson, the old quarterback.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Hell yeah. I remember him. The most undeserving of the Super Bowl ring. Yeah, well, there is Trent Dilfer. There is that, yeah. I remember him, Kofi. The most undeserving of the Super Bowl reign. Yeah, well, there is Trent Dilfer. There is that, too. Brad Johnson does have the longest neck I've ever seen in a football game, though. Well, him and Tim McKay are the old 49ers. They have that long, weird neck, too.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that long neck. So there's that. That is a very weird thing when there is that much gap between the helmet and the shoulder pads. You get bigger shoulder pads just to make it not look as weird. Put some linebacker pads on. Brad Johnson would put a a turtleneck on you're like you're accentuating it bro what the fuck are you doing now there's you have two necks you have half of one it's a turtleneck and then more neck sticking out of that before you get to your stupid head
Starting point is 00:20:16 don't play brad johnson in dc anymore get him the fuck to the west coast yeah bro jesus get that turtleneck off and put him in fucking san diego back then they don't have a goddamn team anymore but that was it was he did he win with tampa or baltimore no tampa yeah with baltimore the year before yeah so uh now sammy would he loved to play sports he was crazy for it he would uh he would unlock a window at high and in the gym at the high school while he was at school so he could sneak back in at night to play basketball. Not to fuck anything up, just so he had a court to play on. That is the worst crime ever.
Starting point is 00:20:51 Yeah. That's bad for future. He's thinking about, hmm, I can break and enter this way. This is clever. Breaking and sporting? What is that? What do they call that? Shoot baskets.
Starting point is 00:21:01 Breaking and shooting? Yeah. Well, I've been busted for that before. That's not really even breaking. As a kid? Yeah. No no we used to sneak into places and play basketball and get in trouble for it all fucking time or sneak into places and skateboard we never get into like too much trouble it was just like you got to get out of here like you know obviously we're not fucking when you do that you make sure not to fuck with anything else right so if you do get busted they're like all right i see what you're doing you're not fucking anything you're not breaking anything
Starting point is 00:21:23 you're not gonna arrest kids yeah're just not going to arrest kids. Yeah, I'm not going to arrest kids for playing basketball, but get the fuck out. Right. Type of shit. We close it because it's a liability. If you guys get hurt, that's what it is. And we're like, we'll drag ourselves away. Take our own liability.
Starting point is 00:21:36 We'll take a chance. He even snuck through a hole in the fence of a juvenile detention center near his house so he could play basketball against those kids. He was sneaking. That is crazy. This is how crime and sports this episode is he was sneaking into jail at a young age to play basketball with criminals i was almost grace by the fourth grade you understand almost if he wouldn't have done something really good in sports later on i'd say this is grace because that is fucking ridiculous that is ballsy as fuck we've never had anybody sneak into jail and in our shows before we've had them sneak out of jail plenty of time ben kramer with a helicopter and dotsik going out through the fence with his bare hands and shit like that we've had some crazy
Starting point is 00:22:18 shit but never someone that is amazing trying to get into jail uh he was a he played all sorts of uh sports he was into sports just an athlete in high school uh he was all county in baseball he set the school record with 38 points in a basketball game and uh had a lot of scholarship offers for playing football also uh where uh he was uh he had a he could throw a ball 80 yards in the air a football which is you know it's like nfllevel type shit right there. That's pretty impressive. It's not bad. Well, he's going to be a major league pitcher, so his arm strength is not in question here.
Starting point is 00:22:51 He can gun some shit. He has a strong arm. He says, quote, I was all athlete. That's all I did. I never drank no beer. I never smoked no pot until my second year in college. I didn't get into any trouble. What I did was try
Starting point is 00:23:05 to find a place to play ball that's all he was interested in was just 24 7 which i mean at least there's no you don't have to avert your gaze when you're playing ball right at home you just i don't want to be at home home is so uncomfortable you have no idea it's just so uncomfortable it can't take it it's just the worst it's just that is hysterical try to stay away from his house so he doesn't accidentally lock eyes on one of those stumps so lop off lop off an appendage and your kid's gonna be a great athlete that's how it works uh he never missed a day of school at all ever he hates being at home from first grade to 12th grade he had perfect attendance that is incredible i will anything i can do to not be in this house that's what that
Starting point is 00:23:54 tells me these stumps are haunting me that and again two sisters i don't know what it is but he is just wants out of this damn house unbelievable he. He said, quote, I was Mr. Athlete. I had more scholarship offers in football than baseball. I didn't understand people who wanted to get high. I thought you couldn't do anything if you were on drugs. So foreshadowing of later on when he understands it a great deal. Just a great deal. A whole lot.
Starting point is 00:24:23 His understanding really comes to crystal uh 1973 he graduates high school and goes to montreat college in montreat north carolina i think it was just close a little place there uh where he is in 1974 as a sophomore he's drafted by the kansas city royals wow they found him in montreat not too shabby yeah they've good scouting back then back then scouting i've read a actually a who'd you just say uh who do you mean he didn't play for them oh don't worry no no that's it's coming it's not them but he drafted them they drafted him but he never went there how about that he refused to go that was my first guess was it that okay yeah the royal guest number one they drafted drafted
Starting point is 00:25:04 never wore the uniform but yeah back then scouts i read this one book uh that a scout wrote in 1983 about scouting and about this whole thing and it's like back then like they used to send all these fucking scouts all over the place i mean scouts had territories and it was your job to know every goddamn player in your region of the country every little college every little semi-pro league every everything you knew the heartbeat of that shit because if somebody came in and found that person and you didn't know the team's like why the fuck didn't you find that guy you're in that territory so you really have to get your shit together plus they have nothing else to
Starting point is 00:25:38 do their job is to go around from every day and find a game to watch and find somebody to so you end up finding shit uh but he ends up being drafted it's june 5th 1974 by the kansas city royals in the 28th round of the 1974 amateur draft uh he does not sign though with kansas city he was chosen uh four picks after paul molliter was chosen wow which is is interesting. Molitor was chosen by the Cardinals in the 28th round, four picks earlier, but Molitor didn't sign either. He ended up going to the University of Minnesota, and then he was the third overall pick three years later after college, and he ended up having a Hall of Fame career with the Brewers, obviously. But in this draft, it was Paul Molitor. Dale Murphy was in this draft, the old days. Remember the reverse baseball card in the 80s, early 90s there?
Starting point is 00:26:30 Rick Sutcliffe, the pitcher, the red-bearded pitcher who's still an announcer and everything now. Oh, God, yeah, he's still on all sorts of shit. And Willie Wilson, the old co-caddled center fielder for the Kansas City Royals in Okay. In the 80s. Good player. I can't believe that Paul Molitor is that old. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Well, he was 18 then. They tried to draft him out of high school. That's what happens a lot of times in baseball. They draft a guy out of high school. They don't like their draft position, so they go to college, and then they get drafted a lot higher, and you make a lot more money three years later. I guess that makes sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:03 I see him in the same classes like Chipper jones though no god no no he was in the 80s late mid 70s 80s because he was that was that 82 that good brewers team he was a big part of that team with robin and all those guys and later on though he played fuck molliter played forever because he played for the twins for a long time after that i mean molliter kicked around blue jays yes he did absolutely yeah molliter kicked around quite a bit yeah uh so june 15th 1975 the next year after the draft he's not drafted sammy stewart again but he's signed as an amateur free agent by the baltimore orioles a non-blue team god damn it you're right that is orange and black they are 100 fucking percent not a shade of blue in that shit. Not shit for blue.
Starting point is 00:27:46 So other than Cal Ripken's eyes, there's not a lot of blue on the Orioles. So yeah, he's drafted by them and he signs by them. So he plays two years in college and signed by them. He said that he started drinking a little bit in his freshman year in college. And then his sophomore year in college college he started smoking a little bit of weed oh yeah and fucking around like that i mean nothing crazy uh uh he does have an arrest in 1975 uh he's arrested for possession of marijuana uh shortly after he's drafted but the charges eventually dismissed in court it didn't seem like it was a big deal it was a small amount of marijuana
Starting point is 00:28:22 and uh it wasn't made into a giant federal case. And back then, it took a lot more weed to... Yeah, well, back then, the weed was a lot more illegal, too. Yeah, that's a good point. It was like, you know... That's crazy. You go to jail for 10 years for having a joint in your pocket in fucking Texas and shit. Couldn't even get high on it anyway.
Starting point is 00:28:38 It's crazy. Yeah, it was shit weed. And you go to prison for getting mildly buzzed and having a headache in an hour. Like, what the hell is that? Today, two hits of that joint will ruin you for eight hours. Oh, it's so good now. It's so good and you can just have it. And it's just there.
Starting point is 00:28:51 It's just fantastic. Cops are like, have a lovely day. It's just everywhere. It's just everywhere. They're like, I actually need your help, officer. Yeah. Am I okay? Am I okay?
Starting point is 00:29:00 I don't know where I am. Can you take my pulse? I don't know where I am. Is my heart beating? I know it's beating because I can feel it in my eyelids. You know how that goes. But is it beating too fast or too slow? Either one of those.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Because time. That shit's going slow. Did I already just say that? You just described edibles. You just described edibles, my friend. You just described me at live shows. Inside. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Outside. I'm like, hey! So 75-76, he goes to play minor league ball he goes to rookie league he plays for the bluefield orioles uh this is in the appalachian league wow bluefield west virginia yeah this is good lord this is where they send you to go they say you're not home anymore motherfucker go live in the mountains of west West Virginia by yourself for a while. We drafted you. Now earn the majors.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Yeah, absolutely. He begins summer of 75. He made four starts and had 14 relief appearances for Bluefield. He had a 609 ERA that year, though, or 607 ERA. So not great. He was roughed up pretty good. That happens to a lot of guys. They basically don't care what you do in rookie ball they just want you to be away from reps away from home for a while they just want you to be in the system of get up in a
Starting point is 00:30:16 shitty motel room travel to the next town get because that's just you need to get got it live with the team be a team you mate. It's all that shit. Baseball is such a long season going from place to place to place. It's nuts. Yeah, you almost need your minor league experience as much as for the baseball part of it, you need it just for the experience of doing these actions. Is it 162 games? It's 162 games, man.
Starting point is 00:30:40 And it's three days and a travel and four days and a travel and three days and a travel. It's a lot. Jesus. And teams play 21 days in a row sometimes and shit like that. That's 15 days and a travel and four days and a travel and three days and a travel. It's a lot. Jesus. And teams play, you know, 21 days in a row sometimes and shit like that. That's 15 days in a row. That's fucking, you can say, oh, they're just standing out there in the field. That's a lot to get up in a, if you travel and get up and go to a hotel and get all your
Starting point is 00:30:57 shit there and go to the park and they're at the park five hours earlier before the game. So they're fucking around. They're getting treatment for their, you know, pulled, you know, my, my fucking calf is a little tight and i'm getting treatment for that and this blister on my thumb they're working on something out in the field they're doing something they're watching they watch film now too these guys they watch their at bats pitchers watch their pitching sequences these places have like like uh those dot things that you go into a batting cage and then you work on your swing like digitally yeah they do all this shit then they play the game
Starting point is 00:31:24 they leave they get out of there at 11 o'clock at night and they go and they gotta find something yeah they gotta find some dinner they gotta do the whole it's it's it's a long thing to do every single day and not have a day off at all like that just grinds on your body and then if you do make a diving play or run into a wall or get hit in you know the elbow with a baseball then you have to keep playing with that fucking pain. So it happens. So this is training for that, basically, the minors. They don't really care what you do there. It's one of those things here.
Starting point is 00:31:51 On this bluefield team with him, Byron McLaughlin. Oh! Episode, was it 91 or something, I believe? I don't even know. He's going to play on the same minor league team with a couple of our all-stars here. A couple of crime and sports all-stars. So Byron McLaughlin, who was a con man and a really fucking wild episode there. He was a lot of our all-stars here. A couple of crime and sports all-stars. So, Byron McLaughlin, who was a con man and a really fucking wild episode there.
Starting point is 00:32:08 He was a lot of fun. Another pitcher, right? Yeah, another pitcher. Yeah, they were on the same staff. 1976, he plays for the Miami Orioles. So, I don't know. It's the Florida State League down there. So, for Miami, for the Orioles,
Starting point is 00:32:23 he has a.242 ERA the next year a little better 12 wins eight losses 244 era or 242 era 12 complete games 182 winnings pitched okay and only 147 hits so that's that's some shit right there that's doing pretty well that's not bad at all uh so they move them up to a ball the next year at miami uh that i mean that was miami so the next year they move him up to A-ball the next year at Miami. I mean, that was Miami. So the next year they move him to AA. That's where they try to see if you're a real guy or not. Really push you in it. Yeah, because A-ball, sometimes guys will dominate.
Starting point is 00:32:52 AA is where the talent is. They always say that. AAA is kind of like a way station in between. But AA is where... People go in each direction. Yeah, the most talent is in AA because that's where they're putting their big-time prospects against other people's... Yeah, it's everybody... it's rarely dudes going down yeah they don't yeah
Starting point is 00:33:08 exactly now they're not gonna if you wash out a triple a just fucking call it you'll go single a sometimes but the double a is there's that's that's the players care that's that's these guys are going to be something this is hopefully prospects so this is the charlotte orioles so he gets to go home to north carolina So I'm sure he's happy about that. So he plays for them. He also plays for the Rochester Red Wings. There are so many teams around this country. So especially like in the 70s, that was still kind of the bloated system.
Starting point is 00:33:37 In the 80s, they kind of started trimming them down, winnowing away these minor league teams because these small towns started dying in the 80s. You can't sustain that. Yeah, they used to all these small towns had these teams and then when they die you know the economies die in these small towns they're not going to go spend money at the baseball game yeah for shitty fucking minor league teams can't even afford the texaco in the 40s like yeah no you can't even yeah in the 40s and the 30s every goddamn yeah every town in the 50s holy shit that was the peak well the war kind of uh it it helped baseball boom because it was like everybody coming together yeah for a common purpose of watching these games yeah that was the thing yeah and even even though all the good players were gone right still there was something still embracing it for the for the sake that it's
Starting point is 00:34:20 america's at least they're still doing it it was one of those is the only thing that was still normal even if it wasn't with the normal guys it was still you know there's still three strikes to an out and there's still three outs to an inning and it's something you can count on even if you're you know even if and football wasn't what it is so no no football they barely they had they didn't even do they did the single wing back then they didn't even have the but was it just like the it was quarterbacks running the ball most of the time what did that start terrible sid luckman with the bears there, George Hallis. That's where they went into the tee.
Starting point is 00:34:49 What year was it? Late 40s, 46, 47, I want to say. He played for, what, Columbia Luckman? Jesus, why do I know this shit? I don't know. He came in. Canton team, too. There's only a few, though, right?
Starting point is 00:35:00 Well, no, the 40s was more NFL like you think of it now. The 20s was when the teams used to fold and come up and fold and shit like that but the 40s it was just less teams and you know some of them weren't there yet you know there was competing leagues that were going to fold into them okay early 50s the browns folded in the rams folded in i don't think i know the two when it all merged to come into the nfl i don't think i know what afl that well it started in the mid 60s i think they agreed to merge. They played the first Super Bowl in 66. And that's what it is today.
Starting point is 00:35:28 And then they fully merged in 70 and became like one corporate entity. There was football teams everywhere. Yeah, the NFL. And then there was semi-pro teams around and shit like that. Because the NFL had like 10 teams, a dozen teams. And they were all in the Northeast. Yeah, there was no in the central part of the country. That's it.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Baseball was the thing. And in the Northeast. Yeah. There was no in the central part of the country. That's it. Baseball was the thing. Right. And in the 50s especially, baseball was the shit. Right. I mean, it was so, and small town America was swelling in the 50s too. Absolutely. So these minor league systems were thriving and there was just teams in every town. It's amazing what it did to America.
Starting point is 00:36:00 It really rejuvenated their competitive spirit and brought a bunch of people together. Plus, we also had the luck of having, that was after integration, so we had fucking Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays, and that was a time of Mickey Mantle and Duke Snyder and all these guys. Beautiful time to be alive. Beautiful time to be- Apart from. Apart from the threat of constant nuclear war.
Starting point is 00:36:20 And also- The social problem. The social problem. I was going to say, obviously, if you- Civil unrest. If you were Willie Mays, you could play for the Giants, but you still had problems in certain parts of the country and shit like that. So, yeah, it wasn't a perfect time.
Starting point is 00:36:32 But for baseball, it was a good time. If you, let's say, owned a baseball team, this was a good time to be alive. Beautiful. And if you played for a baseball team, not a bad time to be alive, besides the awful pay discrepancy. So 1978, he plays a little more for rochester there he's 13 and 10 with a 380 era so not bad good enough to get his major league debut september 1st 1978 so he's a september call up it's one of the guys that comes right up and they get him in right on the first day they have him yeah i think they're interested in him uh uh he pitches he's uh he starts a game 5.1 innings pitched six hits nine strikeouts which
Starting point is 00:37:11 is great no walks only two earned runs and a win not bad terrific terrific uh uh opener and he even does even more than that this is against the white socks Sox here at home in Baltimore. He struck out the side in the second and third innings. Fantastic. Which is six consecutive strikeouts tied the Major League record for a pitcher's debut. Incredible. For consecutive strikeouts. And he said, quote, Rick Dempsey, who was the Orioles catcher,
Starting point is 00:37:38 said, turn around and look at the scoreboard. So I turned around and it said, Sammy Stewart has just tied a record by striking out six consecutive batters in his first major league appearance the record was set by brooklyn dodgers player in 1954 holy shit it's an old record so he said well i turned around and threw three of the hardest sliders i've ever thrown and got the record wow he ended up getting seven in a row uh the only other player to strike out the seven players in their debut in a row was steven strausberg did it in 2010 how about that that it so they're for 40 years almost that hung and nobody broke it they just
Starting point is 00:38:10 tied it unbelievable not too shabby sliders his secret weapon he talks about uh uh being in a camp with ted williams there uh when he was young sure and ted williams said hey kids you got a slider and he said sure do and he threw it and he goes he said, good, because if that pitch never would have been invented, I'd have hit 600. So he said he knew that was a good pitch, because that was the pitch Ted Williams couldn't hit that he told him. I've been told he was quite the smug bastard. Pretty good Ted Williams?
Starting point is 00:38:35 Yeah. Dude, he was a fighter pilot. He hit 400. He's got to be. He's a fighter pilot, so he's a narcissistic, smug lunatic right away. The smuggest dick on earth. And he's great at pilot so he's a narcissistic smug lunatic right away his dick on earth and he's great at baseball he's good at everything i think if i'm not mistaken after he retired he went on to be a world-class fisherman if i'm not mistaken like set records for being a
Starting point is 00:38:56 great fit i can't remember if it was fishing or something like that something that he did and he was the best he went on to be a hobby that he was the best at ever he's just he could make he'd be the best birdhouse maker ever like he's just fucking he's just good at shit he's just one of those guys there's nothing you can do one of those people and his demise is glued to a tuna can on accident yeah that's what happens did they end up burying his head i don't think so is it still frozen still here it's up on cave creek road Road in Phoenix, isn't it? No, I'm serious. It is. It's still over there at Cryogenics. It's still frozen. I think it's here in town in Phoenix.
Starting point is 00:39:29 But it's glued to a tuna can. Let's go get it and put it in the studio. What do you say? Who wants to donate Ted Williams' head to the studio? I want it. I want it right here. I want to see if that tuna can's got tuna in it. Let's check it out, man.
Starting point is 00:39:42 We need to find out. These things we need to know. So this is the team back then. Rick Dempsey was the catcher. Eddie Murray, who confused me, like I said, so much as a child when I thought he was the most talented man on earth, that he could be a great baseball player and be in 48 hours in training places. I was blown away by that as a four-year-old.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Wow, he must be the greatest person ever. They don't look the same. They look a little different. He looks so different when he plays baseball than when he's in movies. And I went, oh, Murphy Murray. Okay. I loved Eddie Murray's 70s. He had those big chops, the big mutton chops that went to the middle of his cheeks.
Starting point is 00:40:21 And a big old fucking mustache and a big fucking like a big nice like microphone like the phone like a wind blocker on a microphone fucking solid afro man that was the shit eddie murphy just shaved his chin he was a suave looking motherfucker in the 70s man a reverse goatee oh you want him to have a fur coat on and shit and just be like if i just shaved my chin i could have that you could have that but not the way he had it oh man it was sweet so sweet sticking out of his hat oscar gamble style man he was a bad motherfucker unbelievable not bad at all here ken singleton was on that team it was a long time yankee announcer forever if you're a Yankee fan there.
Starting point is 00:41:09 So the 78 Orioles, they are finished fourth in their division here. They go 90-71, though, which is pretty goddamn good. That's back when there wasn't 18 divisions. So it was much harder to win a division, and there was no wild cards and all that kind of shit. He comes up, though. That's his first appearance, so a good start. He ends up pitching total in two games and 11.1 innings pitch, 10 hits. Not too shabby at all. 318, he earned run average.
Starting point is 00:41:31 So you look at him and you go, that might be a guy we're looking at in camp next year to make the team. Now 1979 comes around. In August of 79, midseason, Sammy and his wife Peggy, his wife, he marries his high school sweetheart peggy uh she came up with him all you know all through high school and she said like he was the most straight-laced guy in high school like she would smoke weed because it was the fucking 70s early 70s no she would smoke weed and he'd be like i don't know why you do that i don't know what's
Starting point is 00:42:00 up like he was real like judgmental about people having fun pussy yeah well he has a little too much fun later on we'll say that uh well they have a son in 1979 august 17th uh not not the third not a third uh they have a son named colin he breaks the cycle good boy one thing for sammy he tries early on he's got his head on his shoulders tries to break the cycle colin is born with cystic fibrosis uh colin is very sick uh he's a real problem what is that it's a lung problem okay and uh it's it's bad stuff kids die from that of course it's really bad anything that's a disease of the lungs yeah it's one of the worst things you could be born it's very very bad uh not good at all so that's something they're gonna have to deal with as we go through this uh they're always going to the doctor, and he's always coming from doctor's appointments,
Starting point is 00:42:47 and his son's got to do this and that. So he always has a lot going on outside of baseball with his son, which is really tough, honestly. So 1979, though, Baltimore finishes 102-57. Holy hell. Crushed it that year. Absolutely crushed it. Really good season for him, too. uh really good season for him too or just good season for the team he plays in 31 games uh only starts three so they started kind of put him more
Starting point is 00:43:11 in as a reliever this is when that starts 117 innings pitched 96 hits so that's that's fantastic not bad at all not a lot of strikeouts only 71 but uh he doesn't walk a lot of guys either so uh i'm sorry 71 strikeouts 71 walk so he's even on that you'd like that to get a little better but he's like 22 years old so you're fine with that that's okay 24 years old and the team's doing well uh they go to the playoffs uh back then it was no it was only you played the championship series and then the world series that's it that was it because only yeah it was eight teams make it they had an east and a west in the national and american leagues and there's four teams that well? They had an East and a West in the National and American Leagues.
Starting point is 00:43:45 There's four teams. Well, it would be an East and a West, and your winner of your first place in East and West would play each other in the AL and NLCSs, and then they'd go to the World Series. So four teams go to the playoffs. That's it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Four divisions, four teams. And then they realize there's money in this shit. Yeah, they said, shit, people watch the playoffs. They go to these fucking games. They sell out like crazy. What are we doing? They should cut the regular season down just to have more playoffs. Just a lot of them.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Make that shit 80 games like basketball. That's grueling enough. That's brutal, yeah. Those playoffs are long, because they have so many days off. At least the baseball playoffs, they move it along. So they win 3-1. They win the ALCS over the Angels and move on to the World Series against the Pirates. And this is the We Are Family Pirates with Willie Stargell and all that shit.
Starting point is 00:44:34 You're not beating a team with a song that they all have like a video they dance to. I don't know. The Jets got one, too. Yeah, well, that's true. But the Bears did, too, and that's a problem. That's a good point. But you're not beating this team. The Eagles have had one for years, and they just barely won.
Starting point is 00:44:48 The 79 Pirates are a coked-up, fucking really talented menace of a team. They're really good and really talented and on so much cocaine, it's not even funny. Just so much. The Pittsburgh drug trials. That's them. At this point, the steelers and the and the pirates were the two coked out most coked out pittsburgh was the cokiest city in sports for some reason they were passing it to each other i guarantee it super fucking weird but uh yeah
Starting point is 00:45:16 they end up uh he plays a big role in the uh in going to the world series too he has a couple of big wins a couple of big appearances in the playoffs, uh, that do pretty, that, you know, are important for the team. Uh, but they end up going to the game seven and losing to the pirates.
Starting point is 00:45:31 There's nothing wrong with that. No shame in going to the seventh game of the world series, but you didn't even remember they were in the world series. That's the problem. You're this close to either being forever champions or nobody forgot you were in. Everyone forgot you were even there. That's fucked up. Have they won since then? Who? The Ori orioles well let's talk about it all right uh 1980 baltimore
Starting point is 00:45:51 orioles finished 100 wins and 62 losses which is 100 wins is incredible and they don't go to the playoffs they finish second and don't go to the playoffs how is there any team that's winning 100 wins that's insanity uh they have he has a good season again, 33 games. He starts three, so it's probably a spot starter. Otherwise, throws 118 innings and has a.356 ERA. Last year it was.352, and he threw one inning less. So he's very consistent right away. They're like, well, we know what we have.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Absolutely. A few less walks, a few more strikeouts that year too which is pretty good 1981 uh here uh the orioles finished 59 and 46 this is a strike shortened season uh here and uh this is uh earl weaver is their manager here our buddy earl weaver he's been their manager but i just love her a psychopath crazy person who wouldn't exist in today's game because they have instant replay so yeah you'd just love earl weaver he's a psychopath crazy person who wouldn't exist in today's game because they have instant replay so yeah you'd get no earl weaver no billy martin uh i'm yelling i've won more than i lost the guy goes no you haven't games god damn it games yeah you're right you're right earl it's so fucking funny i love it that's so amazing uh
Starting point is 00:47:02 this year he goes four and eight usually i'm not big on the records, because relief pitchers' records don't matter. Yeah. Because it's just weird, the situations you come in on. You can't go by record. You have to go by whip and ERA and shit like that to kind of really understand hits and innings pitched and that sort of shit. This year, though, he throws in 29 games, starts three games again, a.232 ERA. That's terrific. Which uh which leads the american
Starting point is 00:47:26 league hell yeah so not too shabby there uh that's that's pretty good if you're leading the american league in era so now they're like okay now we got something once again those strikeouts and walks 57 strikeouts 57 walks listen you're getting the out who gets the shit you'd like it to be two to one you don't want your relief pitchers you don't want to bring a guy in in the eighth and have him fucking walk two guys because that just scares the shit out of everybody but some guys need that to get the other guys out it's a weird thing that they need to get themselves into trouble bases are loaded they need the pressure rod walk two when there's a bases load situation you got two runs on the board rod used to tell me he hated when they bring him
Starting point is 00:48:01 in for a save when they had a three run lead because he's like i don't know i just couldn't get into it he goes just couldn't get into it he goes it was like i don't know whatever he could because if once they got like a hit off me or something be like all right now if they get a home run and they're all right cool and i could you know he got three runs the dick he wanted to come in with two guys on and nobody out and a one run lead because that's that's fucking interesting that's that's what he liked gambling that's what that's what you want a relief pitcher to want though that's the thing you want your boy you want your relief pitcher to want that because some guys don't want any part of that whatsoever that's not the situation they want to go in on
Starting point is 00:48:32 if i'm a relief pitcher i'm that guy that doesn't want yeah he was like that's the only situation i want to go when it's not fun otherwise i was like jesus you're a different kind of cat whatever numbers you put up are the same you know what i mean it's just a different yeah he needs to feel the pressure he liked it better that way it was weird some guys are like some in any profession some guys just work better under pressure you know what i mean so that's one of those things rod was i guess yeah that's that's what you want in a relief pitcher that's why he was a good closer good point guy like that with the nerves so 1982 season with the orioles earl weaver again uh manager, 94 wins, 68 losses.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Again, 94 wins is huge, and they finish second and don't go to the playoffs. Unbelievable. So there's so many good teams back then that just died in the regular season that won 90-plus games that you never heard shit about. Can you imagine, though, if they had thought of the idea of having lengthened playoff season? Had they had a lengthened playoff season, though, we could have had some of the best games ever lengthened playoff season had they had a lengthened playoff season though yeah we could have had some of the best games ever just because these teams were so good and you don't know who would have went because so many times the wild card team wins the world series now and they go to the world this could have been so interesting could have
Starting point is 00:49:37 been very interesting instead we got very we get dominated they got yeah two two teams that were good during the regular season great uh this year he, he throws in 38 games, starts 12 games, the rest in relief, 139 innings pitched, 4.14 ERA this year. So a little bit higher, but like we said, ERA is kind of, I don't know, his whip is 1.4. So that'll tell you something that's not amazing, but it's not horrible. The other part is that it could have ruined people like this. We could know who, this guy could be a fucking hall of famer yeah because a lot of people would have given him a chance yeah the playoffs sometimes make or break players
Starting point is 00:50:12 they do they make people famous somebody shine yeah they make they absolutely mr october i mean everyone knew reggie jackson was anyways a hall of famer but he's fucking everyone knows who mr october is because of his october before he had a big playoff game against Charlie Huffman. Rizzo playing for the Cubs. Yeah, huge. Nobody watches the regular season. You watch the fucking playoffs. Yeah, because people, well, by numbers, nobody watches that either anymore.
Starting point is 00:50:34 It's pretty sad. But you get stars at this point. Yeah, you do. It's true. You get fame. $550,000 he makes this year. So for 1982, that's not too shabby. That's great. That's great scratch.
Starting point is 00:50:46 That is good money in 1982, especially if you live in North Carolina. Hell yeah. It's not bad. 1983 Orioles finish 98-64 first, actually. Go to the playoffs this year. We'll talk about their playoff run here. He went 9-4 with a.362 ERA in 58 games. That's not awful.
Starting point is 00:51:04 No, not at all.. all 362 is fine 144.1 innings pitched 95 strikeouts 67 walks so he finally figured that out a little bit here uh problem is this season during the uh all-star break he's arrested for a dui and they in the papers and everything else it's just they literally by one thing said it was just boys will be boys they literally said that we're are you shit word for word black and white print black and white wow you know hey boys will be boys this happens sometimes like he's just out having some fun that's literally what they this meant nothing back then my god a baseball player first of all a baseball player who wasn't drunk in the middle of the night, people were skeptical of that guy.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Who the fuck's that guy? Yeah, what's his problem? Nobody else is. Every once in a while, you're going to get a DUI, and that's just the way it is. I mean, it's going to happen. So, yeah, he's arrested for that during the All-Star break. Apparently, it was at 530 in the morning. He is weaving from side to side of the road they
Starting point is 00:52:06 said like white line to white line oh no weaving probably falling asleep it's 5 30 in the morning after leaving a friend's birthday party and uh yeah he's arrested he's convicted and given a fine and an 18 month probation it's pretty steep yeah but they literally were like boys for boys will be boys 18 months 18 month probation but nobody, it wasn't a big deal. They weren't like, oh, we have a problem and this guy's an issue. They were just like, oh, yeah, he's a baseball player out getting drunk, of course. I mean, good old boy. Who cares?
Starting point is 00:52:34 No problems. When did that stigma become like a big deal now? The 90s. You think so? How late? The 90s when everything became a big deal. Like 98, 99? No, before that.
Starting point is 00:52:43 Really? Before that. Late 80s, they started showing those commercials with the people holding the mugs and they'd crash into each other and beer would fly everywhere. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, friends don't let friends drive drunk
Starting point is 00:52:52 and all that shit. That was the late 80s. Okay. That's when they started that shit. That's when they were like, we have people dying after these games. This is a lot of people going on. People are just fucking flying through windshields.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Everyone's drunk on the road. But he ends up, like I said, 362 ERA. Not a bad year. And the Orioles have an even better year. They go to the ALCS where they beat the White Sox in the ALCS. Now, he pitched twice in the ALCS against the White Sox. He pitched an inning in game one and was scoreless, threw a scoreless inning, and then threw four shutout innings to close out game three of this series.
Starting point is 00:53:30 So a big deal for that. And they end up winning the series against the White Sox and going on to the Phillies in the World Series. This was a big deal. This was like Cal Ripken's coming out party, and this was all of that shit here. Huge part in the World Series here. In the third game the series was tied one game apiece uh he came in with a one run lead and struck out three
Starting point is 00:53:50 guys without allowing a hit in the seventh and eighth innings which is nice uh he also struck out mike schmidt in that time right in that stretch and uh while the tying run was on second base and uh baltimore ended up winning the game and then the next inning uh he had a one run lead again and they bring him in in the sixth inning and he got seven outs so you know two and a third inning uh innings to keep them off and tippy martinez closed it out and the orioles won the world series how about that so yeah that's a five games they win the world series and uh he was stewart was second in mvp voting for Series. Jesus. Second in MVP World Series voting. I have no idea who this fuck is.
Starting point is 00:54:27 Rick Dempsey. That's what I mean. He's always this close, this guy. Unbelievable. He does make $550,000. Gotcha. He gets a ring. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:35 He's a champion. Absolutely. Grace. Let's just say that. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that. Yeah. And it's only going to get worse. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Let's just say that. You know, it's fascinating how much alcohol has shaped this country. Oh, God. Jesus. Without DUIs and how bad it was, cars are not as safe as they are today. That's the only reason they... Well, they were like, people are going to be shit-faced. They're going to crash into things.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Sure. We better make it safe. We better make them softer. We better make this a little cushion in there for them. Can we make them drive pillows no well then we'll make pillows explode around that'll work there yeah let's let's do that no nerf cars no okay well that's incredible hold an engine and nerf fine i don't think i ever put that together that alcohol is the reason but it certainly is oh yeah this country revolves around
Starting point is 00:55:21 alcohol everything does makes way too much money to slow that shit down revolves around this whole country that is amazing it's it's fucking interesting isn't it i've been too drunk to realize that's what happened that's the problem is when you're that drunk you don't even notice it's amazing it's fucking awesome so uh 84 season orioles are 85 and 77 and fifth in the East, so not quite as good here. He has a decent year, 329 ERA, not too shabby, 60 games, 93 innings pitched, 56 strikeouts, and 47 walks, so he's back in that ratio. Makes $550,000 again, though. Fantastic.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Not bad. 1985 season, he's with the Orioles again, 83 and 78 for fourth in the al east again not wonderful uh but him not too bad he has uh 361 era in 56 games 129.2 innings pitched so i mean not bad decent player on a bad team he's a yeah he's a good middle reliever he's a he's a decent middle reliever he makes 581 250 that year he made more money there than any season before any season before and shit and didn't win shit no the team was terrible well not terrible but very mediocre now december 17th 1985 he is traded by the orioles to the boston red socks damn it i'm not barely blue team got some blue but we're gonna say the reds mostly right uh
Starting point is 00:56:44 he's traded for jackie gutierrez so now we're going to say the Reds. It's mostly red. He's traded for Jackie Gutierrez. So now he's going to the Red Sox for the 86 season. So this guy has timing of where he is. 86 is the Red Sox and the Mets World Series and Bill Buckner and all that shit. He's on this team, which didn't know that, did you? That's a real famous team. This guy just blended into the woodwork here. You never noticed.
Starting point is 00:57:02 86 Boston, 95 and 66. First in the AL East and uh they beat the angels in the world series uh killing donnie moore in the process if you don't know donnie moore is an angels relief pitcher who uh this is a four to three series a championship series so it went to game seven and donnie moore uh ended up blowing the game against the Red Sox. Was it Dave Henderson hit one off him? And Donnie Moore ended up killing himself about two years later. And everyone just said he never recovered from it. He just never recovered.
Starting point is 00:57:35 He gave up the run that ruined his team's season. That's a competitor. Yeah, and he just never got over it. He also killed his wife at the same time. So he shot his wife and then himself in front of their children in the driveway scream at dave henderson yeah he actually screamed you fuck dave henderson didn't you and then he shot her and himself and the kids have nightmares about dave henderson coming in their window that's too bad it is man so uh it's a good team anyway but they beat the angels in that
Starting point is 00:58:08 crazy crazy series uh he has a 438 era for them this year and only 27 games they only pitch him in 63 innings so not a lot 63 innings and he gives up 64 hits so that's not too fantastic and uh they don't have a lot of trust in him and they don't pitch him in the world series really he'd ever pitch him in the world series which he is bitter about later on and got a ring motherfuckers yeah like i can and he's good under pressure his whole thing is i've never given up a postseason run so maybe you should put me until i start giving one up it's a hell of an argument it's hard to argue that i don't know they put me in and with guys on second and arun lead, and I strike seven guys out out of nine.
Starting point is 00:58:46 So what do you want from me? That's what happened. So put me the fuck in, and they don't do it. The Red Sox have just a history of terrible pitching decisions. Yeah, their whole rod, the only person, well, two people, that he ever hated in baseball was Joe Kerrigan, who was the Red Sox pitching coach and then manager there, because he said he fucking ruined his career, basically.
Starting point is 00:59:08 He hated his guts. Joe Kerrigan, and he hated Oral Hershiser, too. Really? He hated his guts. Really? Rod liked everybody. And if you bring up Oral Hershiser, he'll go, that fucking cunt.
Starting point is 00:59:17 I hate that motherfucker. Fuck you, Oral Hershiser. Hates, never has a bad word. The only thing, if you research him, the only thing you'll ever find a negative word he ever said was in the press about Oral Hershiser. He, it's never as a bad word. The only thing, if you research him, the only thing you'll ever find a negative word he ever said was in the press about Oral Hershiser. He called him a pussy or something. Everybody else he likes except Oral Hershiser and Joe Kerrigan.
Starting point is 00:59:32 They can go fuck themselves. Hilarious. He's like, oh. Oral does look like Howdy Doody. He's just such a squire. He said he's such a fucking asshole. Really? You just want to punch him.
Starting point is 00:59:41 He's a dork and then he's an asshole on top of it? Exactly what he looks like? That's how he is, he said. He's terrible. That's the way Rod put itork and then he's an asshole exactly what he looks like that's how he is he said he just that's the way rod put it see how he looks that's how he is that's a good way of putting it so much so much you just want to fucking punch him i hate him he's like that's great he folds the toilet paper for wiping his ass well he folds it in like an origami that he learned something scoops yeah so fuck you oral it's great man there's a cold quote i can't remember i found it's one time of him talking it was like he said something positive positive positive and it was like and fuck oral herschizer you know and no you know less certain terms than that it's gotta be the
Starting point is 01:00:20 only person on earth named oral yeah that's the worst fucking name on Earth. Oral's a bad name. There's a whole college named Oral Roberts. That's a bad name. You're not going there. That's his dad regretting that he fucked that woman. I should have gotten Oral. That's a super Christian name. Is it really?
Starting point is 01:00:36 Oh, Oral? It sounds fucking Mormon. No, it's Christian. So whatever. It's religious. That was Oral. Is that what it was? Orval. Orval. Orval what it was? Oh, I think that was Orville.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Orville. I was doing that on purpose. You had me there for a second. I was like, is that really his name? No, it's not. It doesn't feel right. Yeah, this is wrong. Is that wrong?
Starting point is 01:00:58 It feels like a pinned up flannel sleeve. It just feels not right. Something's up here. Oh, this is awkward. In the World Series, if you don't know, if you're young young here uh the mets ended up winning this world series in seven games in game six boston had the game one and then uh gave up a series of base hits and a wild pitch and a whole bar pass ball a whole bunch of fucked up things happen uh culminating in a ball rolling through bill buckner's legs while the game was already tied so don't say they would have won.
Starting point is 01:01:25 People are like, well, they would have won. Nope, game was tied. Still had to win another inning. So don't blame Buckner for that shit. Anyway, he shouldn't have been in there at the end of the game. The man was all fucking tape and ice. He was. He was.
Starting point is 01:01:39 He was a zombie. They wanted to put him out there so he could celebrate with the team because he was such a big part of the team. And he couldn't get down that far at that point. That late in the day, his back was fucked. He can hop. That's about it. That's it.
Starting point is 01:01:50 He hobbled, man. He was in such bad shape. Great player. Bill Buckner. That's the guy who's gotten the most fucked of anyone in baseball. Borderline Hall of Fame player. That good of a player. And all everyone remembers him for is one fuck up when he was so old and hurt that he shouldn't have been out there anyway.
Starting point is 01:02:08 They should have pulled him for defensive purposes. Anyway, so whatever. But that's the thing, and the Mets won the World Series, and it gave us Lenny Dykstra and Doc Gooden and Daryl Strawberry and Keith Hernandez and tons of great cocaine stories. Thank God for Bill Buckner. Thank God for Bill Buckner. so thank god for bill buckner thank god for bill buckner now this year uh he doesn't pitch in the postseason he blames uh sammy blames everything on the manager john mcnamara he told the boston globes that he blamed mcnamara for losing the series he said quote mcnamara did not want me at all he laid he laid down on me and it cost us the world series i hated to see al nipper come out of
Starting point is 01:02:43 the bullpen when i've never been scored on in a postseason and my arm was feeling great. So he saw somebody and the relievers that Boston was bringing in were not great pitchers and he's sitting there like jacked up like I can fucking do this. Yeah, these guys were looking scared and they brought in like Bruce Hurst and those guys. They looked like they were going to cry. If I were him, I would have sat on that bench wearing that ring and just scratching my face with that hand the whole fucking time i have this just having that
Starting point is 01:03:07 ring put on my middle finger for you so i'll bet he sized it for that one probably he makes 381 113 dollars for this year uh he thought that he was going to be make a bunch of money in free agency because he comes up on free agency now and this is his time to cash in hell yeah make some cash he buys a big house in the boston suburbs before he gets a contract but this was one of the years 87 88 uh was when the owners were colluding with each other to keep salaries down and they actually had to pay millions and millions of dollars later on it was a federal lawsuit that they lost it was 100 collusion of the owners andre dawson was the mvp and couldn't get a contract the guy had 47 home runs and no one offered him a contract nothing nothing because the cubs he was the cubs player and the cubs offered him no money right and nobody matched and they said well that's what they were doing if
Starting point is 01:04:01 you would offer a team you know your your team would offer you a contract that was shit. And if you didn't want it, none of the other teams would sign you. That's owner collusion. That's so shitty. That's the reserve clause without the reserve clause. That's disgusting. And it's illegal, actually. It should be.
Starting point is 01:04:16 And they all got sued for collusion and had to pay out untold millions to every player they did this to. He got a huge chunk of that. He did. Good. He did, because he got fucked as hard as anything. That guy was awesome. And he waited. That was his time to finally cash in.
Starting point is 01:04:28 He was late in his career. He had a great year. It was finally his time, and they fucked him over. There's only three players that you remember from the Cubs. You know what I mean? Back then, it was Sutcliffe, and it was fucking Dawson. Ryan Sandberg and Dawson. That's it.
Starting point is 01:04:40 And Sean Dunstan. And then Grace came later. I liked the old Cubs. Yeah. But Dawson was so fucking great. He was later. I liked the old Cubs. But Dawson was so fucking great. He was amazing. Hawk was insane. And what a great dude.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Great arm. Everybody likes Andre Dawson. But then it comes out right after the World Series, Boston announces they will not exercise their 1987 contract options for Tom Seaver and Tony Armas. And they notified Sammy Stewart
Starting point is 01:05:04 that they will not be offered contracts for 87. So he's not going to do that. He does later on, now he really lets go on McNamara. Oh, I'm sure. He says, if they let me pitch, we would have won that series. So he says the problem with McNamara developed because one time a team bus, he was late for a team bus at fenway
Starting point is 01:05:25 and it took off without him he said he was visiting his son at the hospital got to the ballpark threw his bag on the bus uh and he was parking his car when the bus left without him so he said it left with his bag and without him that's fucked he came through the bag and then parked the car like i am here i'm here don't i don't think i'm late here's my bag let me go throw my car over here i'll be right back and they fucking took off on him. That's a good way to prove you were there, though. My fucking bag's there. My bag's on the fucking bus.
Starting point is 01:05:49 I was obviously there. So he got pissed off and got into a fight with the traveling secretary, Jack Rogers. He says later on, I said, quote, why'd you leave when we waited on Roger Clemens and Jim Rice all year? Because they're the stars. You wait on the stars. You don't leave withoutger clemens because he's your fucking meal ticket he's the reason why you're on that bus we might win this game with him yeah exactly uh so apparently the he said that rogers the secretary traveling secretary told him quote get off your rear and get to the ballpark on time uh so so uh sammy spit at him that's that was where this all happened
Starting point is 01:06:26 yeah he said later on quote it was despicable it was wrong uh for him to do that for for him to spit at him he said i shouldn't have spit at him i should have punched him like a fucking pretty gross i probably should have kicked him in the dick yeah be a little more mature yeah so later on about this this incident he had words with m McNamara where he says that McNamara told him, quote, if I was 15 years younger, I'd kick your ass. And Stewart said, quote, if you were 15 years younger and you and your Marine son couldn't kick my ass, I'll kick you and your kid's ass no matter how old you are. My dad fought fucking Hitler.
Starting point is 01:07:03 He thought Hitler. He had one arm and he's a big strapping he's just a big tough crazy son of a bitch this guy that i wouldn't want to tangle and he's got big wild curly hair big mustache unibrow that does not quit oh boy thick unibrow he looks like he has two mustaches on his face because he has a big mustache and then a unibrow so it looks like somebody like copied it out cut it out of photoshop and copied it up to his forehead too that's awesome wouldn't it be funny if he had two of these no wonder he had such a good era the hitter was trying to figure out the fuck's going on in his face yeah absolutely no shit so this ball what's that guy what's happening uh he also says that he was
Starting point is 01:07:46 mad that people blamed bill buckner for the error too he says quote i don't care if he had to ice seven parts of his body i'd want him out there we wouldn't have gotten there without him he was the leader of that team that team him and don baylor who was the scariest looking man i've ever seen in my life don baylor if he said jump i'd go how fucking high where where what do i need to do which direction scary man he just looked mean and big and tough and just he's as a child i was like that dude is tough looking like something tried to take his arm but oh god he had these forearms on him in his face i remember he played for the yankees for a while he hit a check swing home run one time and i was like how'd you do that how the fuck did you do that like it barely went past the middle it's just this power follow through he just like clubbed
Starting point is 01:08:29 it real short and it was like how do you baby seal yeah how do you do that jesus so there's so much collusion he's not signed until june of the 1987 season which is mid-season it's crazy signed by the indians finally and this is the piss-poor shit Indians. This is what they made Major League about, because this is the 87. This is when they were filming Major League, because it came out in 89. So this is the team they were fucking making fun of here.
Starting point is 01:08:56 They finished 61-101, this team. On this team, obviously, you're Jake Taylor, Ricky Vaughn. No, no, Pedro Serrano. In real life, it was Joe Carter and Julio Franco. No Wesley Snipes? No Wesley Snipes. No Willie Mays Hayes. Brooke Jacoby.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Was that his name? Derringer. No. What are you talking about? Dorn. What's his real name? Who? Corbin Bernson.
Starting point is 01:09:19 That's it. That's the worst name on earth. It is bad. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's two last names. It's awful shit. Yeah, you don't want that.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Corey Snyder. Mel Hall was on that team. No kidding. No kidding. Mel Hall was on that team, which is crazy. Mel Hall on that team. Great. Another alumni here.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Mel Hall on this team. Diddlin' son of a bitch. And the Indians were last in the American League in attendance that year. So that's what that was. What Major League was based on. He only pitches in 25 games this year, 27 innings, so really not pitched a lot. A 5.67 ERA, but I mean, he's barely playing.
Starting point is 01:09:56 His spring training was the regular season in June. He hadn't pitched before that. One bad game, it ruins everything. Yeah, and you can't. Spring training, a veteran pitcher is just trying to find the strike zone they don't care they're not trying to win right and so this guy doesn't know how to you're every year you come in you get loose you do it this guy's got to come in and be game ready immediately bananas of why the spring training here has priced everybody out of the market now yeah it's so expensive yeah they
Starting point is 01:10:22 want to make money off that too it's crazy yeah they want to make money that used to be the draw yeah you'd go to like the a's fucking spring training at the old five box and it would yeah you get a good seat for like eight dollars and that was like the draw hot dog for three four bucks it was cheap have a nice day cheap and now it's the same price as major league and it's still seeing the same people people you'll never see in the regular season yeah you're seeing guys who are going to be you know in double a or selling insurance it's awful so he makes 175 000 this year because it's just he only plays half the year so it's pro-rated october 29th 87 he's released by the indians and he does not he says he's not pursuing it anymore he doesn't want he's only 32 years old
Starting point is 01:10:59 and he's done he says i'm not because he's pissed off that he didn't get a contract and rather than try again and stick with it like andre dawson did and ended up playing into the early 90s and ended up on Colorado and made some decent money finally. He doesn't do that. He went to the Rockies? Later on, the very end, I want to say. Jesus, that's depressing. Like the first year of their team.
Starting point is 01:11:18 They were so bad. You need a couple of names and then you'll pay them a few extra bucks. It's kind of like why the Diamondbacks had what's his name the center fielder Devon White didn't they have him for a while so he walks away from baseball
Starting point is 01:11:38 later on he'll say it was just a mistake without the daily pull of the game I just kind of fell apart he says I laid down on the game uh he just kind of fell apart is what he says he says i laid down on the game i just quit i shouldn't have done that it was a big mistake i wasn't finished uh so much regret so much regret and he's stuck in boston now he has this big house uh he says he doesn't have any of his old friends like his ball player friends he's not playing anymore and so he says at this point quote i met the wrong people he made new friends he made new
Starting point is 01:12:05 friends uh he says this was the time he smoked crack for the first time hell yeah who doesn't remember their first time smoking crack you know what i mean i remember it who doesn't you go smoking memories he says quote i think i had a hole in my heart i missed the game and needed something i had my kid with cystic fibrosis. I had that big house in Boston where I was out of place. I should have never bought it. I was snorting cocaine and went to a party and saw some people doing something funny. I said, what are they doing?
Starting point is 01:12:35 They said, smoking cocaine. I said, won't that bust your heart? They said, no, no, try it. So I did. I was hooked right away. The high was euphoric. Super. It took away the absence of baseball. It made me the big dog again, I did. I was hooked right away. The high was euphoric. Super. It took away the absence of baseball.
Starting point is 01:12:46 It made me the big dog again, I guess. It made me the center of attention. It was like a new toy. He says, I never started smoking cocaine until I was 33 years old, until after I got out of baseball. I couldn't stop once I started. I'd go on a binge for three or four days or 35 days. I'd go until all the money was gone what is that there's
Starting point is 01:13:06 that's not in there's hardcore three or four days you know sometimes 35 yeah that's a whole month sir you know that drive to like play ball and break into schools to play extra and crawl through a fence to play he has that for everything he does wow so now he shifts that focus and that intensity to crack did he say he misses his son with cystic fibrosis? No, no. He had his son with cystic fibrosis. See, that's where... He had my kid.
Starting point is 01:13:28 He said, I had my kid with cystic fibrosis. That's where I'm at right now. You got 35 days you disappear and do that shit? That's what I'm saying. You got a sick son? And yeah, and he's going to blame the son on this. Not blame the son, but blame the condition on his actions, which, yeah. blame the sun but blame the condition on his feeling actions which yeah he said he found himself uh doing crack smoking crack more and more often at this point obviously till all the money
Starting point is 01:13:51 was gone he began dipping into his investments like taking money out of investments uh for for crack uh he said quote it wasn't like an everyday thing i'd do it and i'd get off it i did it for like two days without going to sleep it was like once you got started well if you didn't get started you were all right uh he said it was expensive he said basically uh it would be 70 for 45 minutes worth of crack for right and he did that for two days he did that for days and weeks on end that's a lot that adds up yeah i would say that's a hundred dollars an hour that's so much uh and also at point, his house is foreclosed on in Boston. Why did he say it like that? $75 for 45 minutes.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Just say $100 an hour, man. Yeah, no, $75. He said, I paid $70 for this amount in that last 45 minutes. I don't know what the fuck. Oh, $70. $70. Sorry. No, no, $70.
Starting point is 01:14:41 It's a weird amount. It is a weird amount. sorry no no 70 it's a weird amount it is a weird amount uh they said he has some deferred salary coming in uh but now those checks are now garnished to go toward his house being foreclosed on so now he's getting not even the money he's supposed to be getting from uh deferred payments uh and eventually the uh he decides to go back to ashe, North Carolina which never go home as we've talked about before. Here he is. He's breaking all the fucking rules. He's going home. Throw a Bible in your
Starting point is 01:15:12 back pocket. Not good man. He moves back there he said you know this is around where he grew up so he was happy but he and his wife are still doing a bunch of drugs and the wife is involved back then too. Peggy's they do too. The wife is involved back then, too. Peggy's, they do drugs together.
Starting point is 01:15:27 I mean, they're doing drugs together and fighting all the time. And they have a kid with cystic fibrosis, which is enough pressure. Just the pressure of having a kid with cystic fibrosis and a career that's kind of ending and your house being foreclosed on and your whole lifestyle's changing monetarily. Just that's enough pressure. If you add crack to that scenario, now make everyone high on crack and see how that all works oh boy whoa man that is some serious that's too much of all the financial struggles alone with the medical bills and then you're gonna then you're you're not gonna even be alert to deal with no no it's it's crazy bananas
Starting point is 01:16:02 at some point here early on in the 87 88 88 area, he's arrested for assaulting, for domestic assault, for getting in a fight with his wife. Another time for driving with a revoked license. So has a couple things like that. He says, quote, we'd be doing drugs together and coming down from the high and fighting with each other, becoming irritated about the little things. Yeah. Like the other. Yeah. When they're not high, they're going to fight because they're used to being high. So it's not good, man. This is going bad quick.
Starting point is 01:16:32 And this is going to be, we're going to slide into a deep reservoir of shit right now. October 17th, 1988, he's arrested in Chelsea, Massachusetts for felony cocaine and weapons possessions. So he's got a loaded weapon, loaded gun, and cocaine. A felonious cocaine possession. That's terrible. Not great.
Starting point is 01:16:52 Not a good start here. That's October 17th, 1988. February 9th, 1989, he's convicted of carrying a firearm without a license. And he's sentenced to two years probation. Wow. So more probation. That's lenient bad lenient it's lenient well he doesn't have a long list of record at this point that'll happen yeah uh now 1989 still that's the beginning of 1989 he ends up going to play in the uh senior baseball league this was the uh the what was it the senior professional
Starting point is 01:17:23 baseball association we've talked about this a couple times hunter actually it was yeah it was guys yeah it was guys who were you know a few years out of the league a couple years out of the league that still wanted to fuck around yeah guys that had a name that the people recognize and you can sell that ticket you can sell it because you can go after and get autographs for your kids they're gonna be jacked to still be signing for a hall of famer you know what I mean? So he plays there in 1989. He plays for the Bradenton Explorers and the St. Petersburg Pelicans.
Starting point is 01:17:50 So look at that. Each team had 24 players. They were supposed to play 72 games there. They had a three-year cable arrangement with Prime Network. That's impressive. In Florida there. The top salaries they had
Starting point is 01:18:03 were about $15,000 a month. And each team has a season salary cap of five hundred fifty thousand dollars that's 150 grand a year if you can get no that's not bad that's for your hall of famers that draw the money and the tickets to the the one team the pelicans st petersburg ranged from three dollars to 550 it's spring training so i mean you can take your kids to that and people can take a you can take a whole mess of people to that take a what do you have bring all your friends who gives a shit let's go i got 30 on it get in the fucking station get them in the fucking station wagon we're going to the game i got 20 tickets it cost me 30 bucks it's not bad and on this team was doc ellis yeah who was uh crazy ass awesome insane pitcher who pitched on acid all the time threw a no-hitter on lsd very
Starting point is 01:18:45 famous situation there and ron lafleur oh another one of our pals another one of our buddies there on the floor so i mean it's just so many streams are crossing with this guy incredible uh now uh they they uh uh the drugs are really taken over here though at this point he's gonna have a daughter here pretty soon but we'll talk about in a second here. She says it's his daughter, Alicia. She says that she recalled the first time she suspected drugs were in her father's life. She said, quote, we went to Florida because he was going to try to play again. This is when she was little.
Starting point is 01:19:19 She was born in 84. Alicia was. It didn't work out out but we stayed down there and he would take me and my brother into bad neighborhoods he was buying drugs just seemed so desperate I remember thinking something is wrong with my dad because that was not the man I knew
Starting point is 01:19:34 when I was younger he was such a sweet funny guy so yeah he's taking his kids on a crack run unbelievable that is you've gone well beyond it's no wonder why he's staying in florida though yeah it's easy going yeah you find that shit pretty easy what to what at what point do you just go i'll just take the kids with me to go get crack and like that's plural by the way meaning child with cystic fibrosis backseat uh oh by the way uh alicia has cystic fibrosis also
Starting point is 01:20:02 no fucking way both kids have cystic fibrosis also. No fucking way. Both kids have cystic fibrosis. This poor fuck. Yeah. So you don't take those kids on a crack run. No. Cystic fibrosis or not. Right. You don't take young children on any form of a crack run whatsoever, I feel like.
Starting point is 01:20:16 And is he doing that shit in the car with children with fucked up lungs in the backseat? That's who we don't know. We don't know that. She didn't mention that. I mean, there's not really. He's definitely buying the crack. There's no secondhand crack rock, is it? I don't know if that't know that unbelievable she didn't mention that i mean there's definitely buying the crack secondhand uh crack rock can you is it i don't know i would assume i don't know if you can clam bake a car with crack rocks i would assume i don't know why not i don't know
Starting point is 01:20:33 why not it's the smoke it's the same thing right i guess i don't i think you gotta fucking really i've seen on a documentary crackheads giving each other shotguns i've seen that hit so that's the same thing i guess if you blew it right Hopefully he's not blowing it into their mouths, cupping over their mouths. Here you go, kid. The doctor's medicine isn't working. Try this. This will make your lungs tingle.
Starting point is 01:20:52 Yeah. So July 1st. This makes me feel like a fucking madman. Maybe it'll help you. So July 1st, 1989. It's over for him in the senior league there. He ends up going. He's in the Asheville Mall, and he ends up being charged with four counts of misdemeanor larceny.
Starting point is 01:21:13 He's connected with the theft of $350 worth of items. He's arrested. He's arrested. They stand him up straight. What turned him on? He's arrested at 5.15 p.m. and taken to the county jail, released after posting $500 bond, which I don't know where he got that. But he's accused of stealing one pair of shorts, two pairs of pants, a shirt, a tool set, a
Starting point is 01:21:37 lady's shirt. I got to pick up something nice for the wife. Give the wife a gift? One pair of lady's pants, two boy's shirts, all all from sears uh for 228.81 worth of items jesus man three bags of rabbit pellets from pet love he's got a fucking he's got rabbits to feed three dollars and 87 cents three shirts two ties one belt and a shirt from uptins with a total of 133.98. So he's buying shirts and ties.
Starting point is 01:22:07 Is he going on job interviews? Yeah. I need to feed the rabbits, get my wife a pair of pants, and go on this job interview tomorrow. I mean, he's stealing it, though, right? Yeah. This is all stolen. And a pair of Isotoner slippers valued at $20.
Starting point is 01:22:19 Gotta baby those feet. That's, you know. He was arrested in Sears, which is just sad. All this stealing got my dogs barking yeah he's arrested in sears which he has gotten the last laugh now but still isotoners though yeah isotoners jesus those old man slipper on earth that's amazing that or a dan marino glove from the 80s the security guard said uh stewart was carrying the bags of merchandise from store to store.
Starting point is 01:22:46 So he was just carrying around a bag like adding more shit to the bag, basically. He had no receipts in the bags when they asked for his receipts for his items and he offered no resistance when they arrested him. And then they contacted the other... You got me. Yeah, yeah, you got me.
Starting point is 01:23:00 The other stores and they said they want... I guess you got me. I've been stealing like crazy. Oh, Jesus. Each count of larceny is punishable by a maximum sentence of two years imprisonment a fine or both so who knows uh he ends up pleading guilty to this and is sentenced to 50 hours of community service wow so that's not bad that's pretty nice you got off pretty easy on that i was with the shit from several stores now it's gonna get on a shoplift he said he had a list of shit he's like i'll just shoplift all this stuff fuck it that i forgot my wallet what are you gonna do i'm out i gotta get a mail you a check it's the 80s you can mail a
Starting point is 01:23:36 check still december 5th 1989 this is when it gets crazy here he's arrested in bradenton florida and charged with misdemeanor spousal battery here this is when him and his wife get in a fight again yeah and it gets a little physical here this is when it escalates and crack is gonna really oh sure i mean anytime fuel this one everybody's smoking crack it's not great uh now that's decemberth December 14th he's arrested again this time this is all felony shit here he's charged with three counts of false imprisonment and one count each of child of spousal battery
Starting point is 01:24:14 also resisting arrest with violence and resisting arrest without violence three counts is that one on each member of the family no no no no it's three counts of false imprisonment I don't know why yeah because I guess she couldn't leave with the kids and uh one count spousal battery one count resisting with violence one count resisting without violence this is terrible uh yeah i would say so uh what ended up happening was uh after this whole thing happened uh he was in jail and
Starting point is 01:24:39 he wanted this was right before christmas december 14th He's in jail because he couldn't make bail. And one of the court people here says, quote, Mrs. Stewart went into court and asked the judge to lower his bond so they could go home to North Carolina for Christmas. The court takes these charges pretty seriously. But when the wife comes in saying all is forgiven, the judge tends to give the benefit of the doubt. Unbelievable. Because this is 1989. And they don't know that that shit's cyclical. Yeah, they haven't figured that out yet. Holy Christ.
Starting point is 01:25:09 Yeah, so her plea convinced the judge to lower his $15,000 bond to $2,500, to which his father paid $250 cash with his good arm, handed it over. It's pinned right up on my sleeve just go ahead and grab go ahead and unpin it and then pin it back together surprise don't just leave me a dangling don't just no i said come on never mind i'll fold it up myself with his good arm he handed it over and that was that so uh he's released dead serious straight face dad paid it bang good arm good arm take that left hook with the good arm unbelievable i have one of those uh so dad's a hero he's a fucking hero there you go
Starting point is 01:26:01 so uh he's released for christmas yeah whoa yeah he's got shoplifting to do yeah he's got a lot of shoplifting christmas gifts so all's quiet over christmas maybe that's what he was stealing yeah that was probably christmas that was july so who knows uh he was there for six fucking months well that was in uh that was in asheville because he went back and forth gotcha so uh anyway in december's all all quiet over Christmas, and then December 28th comes along. And apparently it was quite the night, December 28th. Yeah. Because December 29th, Peggy shows up at the sheriff's department looking like she's been
Starting point is 01:26:40 run through the mill, beaten and battered, saying that her saying that sammy had severely beaten her and held her against her will the previous night uh held her there uh the sheriff said quote i saw her and somebody had brutally beaten her she said it was her husband so he's like that she got hit there's no no fucking doubt to you you know, that something happened. Something happened to her fucking face. Let's just put it that way. Run through a textile mill or. Yeah. Which got all her limbs.
Starting point is 01:27:10 Get a job at a blanket factory. Did you just check it now? So, yeah, he's arrested for second degree kidnapping, threatening of a public official and all this other shit here. He is scheduled for later on the police they said they had been fighting for several hours uh when he finally punched her in the jaw not finally like he was good but that's what happened they were fighting for several hours of hours eventually he punches her in the jaw another couple who was sharing the home with them this happened in front of another couple that when you see a couple fighting hard in front of other people they have lost all it doesn't matter imagine what happens behind
Starting point is 01:27:50 closed doors good lord that's him showing restraint yeah that's what i'm saying jesus uh this other couple tried to intervene uh obviously like hey let's all you know let's calm down hey let's everyone have a beer let's smoke some crack i'll punch your wife see what i do to my own wife how dare you you better shut your fucking mouth i don't even like your fucking wife first of all she's she takes care of my cystic fibrosis riddled kids and i do this to her imagine when i do it you're pain in the ass wife of their shitty fucking macaroni salad yeah i had a fucking macaroni salad at the barbecue jerry fucking sucks too much mayonnaise too much why is there pickles in it jerry fuck's sake relish really we don't need all this shit how many onions do you put in that fucking i'm gonna punch her anyway jerry get the fuck out of
Starting point is 01:28:37 the way i'm gonna i'm knocking her out jerry jerry jesus christ apparently stewart then uh sammy threatened the couple just like we said he said fuck i'll kick your asses too yeah uh so apparently she had to say she was going out to run an errand uh to get out of the house she had to act like everything was cool and say i'm just gonna go run an errand and then went to the police station was like oh my god jesus christ the errand is having him arrested yeah uh so police later arrest him he resists the officers uh by running out of the back door when they come to arrest him and attempting to jump a fence he knows what's coming next so this is a low point when cops are dragging you off a fence you're trying to jump you've you've gone a long way from world series champion yeah it's a long you look down at that ring and just feel real bad about yourself you really should unbelievable yeah so it's it's fucking ridiculous so january 11th 1990 he gets
Starting point is 01:29:31 continuance on this whole thing there's a the kidnapping charges continued uh as part of the continuance he'll have until january 25th to officially move out of the home as part of the restraining order uh january 25th he's there he hasn't moved out yet but they're trying to get his bond bond withdrawn but the judge refuses to withdraw his bond if he gets alcohol treatment because i guess he's going to alcohol treatment he said i'm not going to withdraw his bond while he's going to alcohol treatment and also but you have until 8 p.m and to move all your shit out of the house or else you're just out something tells me that judge doesn't know about the crack i don't think he knows quite about the crack the alcohol is really
Starting point is 01:30:07 fucking really b-side right now it's really not a concern as much as it's really a side effect yeah i guess he had moved out and peggy said he moved back in so the judge is like you can't do that you got too late i did move out so to leave and the weird thing is at court that day they sat together before the whole thing started and then when they their case came up they had to take positions at the opposite tables okay honey okay i'll see you after this is done in a sec he hit me she's a fucking bitch like what okay let's go out for lunch now uh so called to the witness stand here uh poor peggy here god this poor woman she's getting beat up her kids have cystic fibrosis her husband's a fucking crackhead this is a tough spot to be in
Starting point is 01:30:52 here uh you you were married to a baseball player and everything was going well and now you didn't expect this no probably and he likely introduced her to the drugs that she's now oh yeah yeah he was the one who went out and brought it into the house yeah he was out partying not her uh so uh she's she relates the evening she said that he hit her uh he's hit her several times before this isn't like a new thing she said that he uh he drank several rum and cokes that night and then she had a few also he began blaming her for an earlier fight the one that he was arrested for in flor. So they started arguing about the Florida charges. And it's like, yeah, that's going to happen again.
Starting point is 01:31:30 Dummy. Fuck. She said she tried to leave the house three times, but each time he physically dragged her back inside. And she said that he said, quote, he or she said, quote, he said, I wasn't going anywhere. So that is frightening as shit, I would say. Now, he's cross. She's cross examined. She said she probably could have snuck out of the house, but that she would because he said, oh, this is this is the cross examination.
Starting point is 01:31:55 This first of all, this is a bad cross examination. He literally said, so you claim you couldn't get out of the house. You couldn't have snuck out of the house. Blaming her because she couldn't sneak out of the house? You couldn't have snuck out of the house? Blaming her because she couldn't sneak out of the house. Wow. You really didn't want to get punched? How hard were you trying not to get punched? Let's talk about that.
Starting point is 01:32:13 That's what I'm saying. Good God. This is fucking 1991. Wow. This is crazy. Couldn't you have run? Yeah. How about he tell him not to hit me?
Starting point is 01:32:23 Yeah, he shouldn't have hit. Why should I have to run from my home in fear what the fuck so uh she on the stand had to say she probably could have snuck out of the house but she was afraid that sammy would have heard her and caught her and then you know beat her even worse for trying to sneak out so you know when he punched me the first time it fucking hurt you know how abuse works you scare people and then they that's how abuse works jesus she said that uh he caught her uh at one point and hit her head repeatedly into a couch and threw several drinks into her several drinks into her face that night lined up just like every
Starting point is 01:32:58 time he was mad he just throw a drink at her i gotta make another one bad she said she escaped this one was another one with Bah. She said she escaped. This one was another one with the errand thing. She said, hey, those errands, they pile up. And he's too drunk to remember last time. So she ran next door and called the sheriff's department. Yeah, like I said, this came from an earlier argument about the earlier beating. The two of them.
Starting point is 01:33:24 They are volatile together, too. Very volatile. She doesn't understand that. They do drugs drugs together that's a bad couple right away you don't want to be those people couples can't do hard drugs together one no one should be doing hard drugs but if anyone should it can only be one person the other one's got to try to keep it together and be the codependent one that's the only way that's going to work keep that separated yeah drug addicts need to no i'm not gonna work so uh he pleads not guilty to this whole thing uh and uh he wants he's trying to get bail here and uh uh he does get bail out of this and uh jesus christ she said on the uh when when he was bad they were talking about
Starting point is 01:34:00 florida when he was bailed out in florida yeah on the way home on the ride in the car back to north carolina from florida for christmas uh sammy hit her and started drinking in the car good lord so literally on the in the car on the way home from court he was punching her again his wrist still hurt yeah uh and then this night he was blaming her for that and then he was blaming her for the whole december 14 incident. He threw a TV remote control at her. That's how the whole thing started and then they started to argue and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:34:32 And then it obviously got a little bit out of control. A lot of bit out of control. So September 1990 he completes 60 days in drug and alcohol rehab. That's great. And he does this a few times. A few times.
Starting point is 01:34:47 So that's September 1990. November 1990, arrested for felony cocaine possession. Didn't quite stick. Didn't work. We'll just say that here. He's arrested early in the morning. A felony cocaine possession. He's arrested around 2.30 a.m. by a deputy who were responding to a report of a disturbance at his home,
Starting point is 01:35:08 which is never good. Yeah. And they show up and, hey, guess who's got a bunch of cocaine? So, not terrific. And high as shit. And his address was at 107 Scenic View Mobile Home Park in Swannanoa. Oh, no. So, five years ago,
Starting point is 01:35:25 he was pitching in the World Series or at least on a team sitting on a World Series bench. And now he's living at the Scenic View mobile home park in
Starting point is 01:35:32 Swannanoa, North Carolina. I almost guarantee there is no scenic view. There isn't a view of shit. No.
Starting point is 01:35:38 There's a view of like an old tire fucking pile. This is where we put our old tires. Neighbors Holiday rambler and some woods that's about it uh so the they found him with uh some cocaine and he's released on a five thousand dollar bond uh there so march 4th 1991 his son colin dies at age 11 that is brutal he's so young 11 not just the kid dad's everybody's everybody's
Starting point is 01:36:10 so young crazy tragedy 11 and he's got another one and all he's thinking is how long she's got it's unthinkable this whole thing's unthinkable here uh and it's brutal man he says quote they had told us he had six months to live and they were right. He died in my arms. He was in fifth grade, real smart. And he looked up and said, Daddy, what's nine and four? He knew the answer to that. He just wasn't getting oxygen to his brain. It hurt me all these years thinking about it.
Starting point is 01:36:36 I cry a lot, but I don't blame any of my drug addiction on that. But he does later on. Now, Peggy, she says she battled alcohol really bad. She said that she was glad to hear later on that he wasn't relying on Colin's death as an excuse. She says, quote, it was awful and still is. But I got myself back together. There's no reason why he couldn't, too. Which, I mean, people have this happen and they don't just smoke crack for 100 years.
Starting point is 01:37:03 Like, that's, you know. But there's also people that don't smoke crack for 100 years after this happens and it's because they can't fucking do a god damn anything yeah everybody's reaction is different some of this is so crippling it ruins your entire everything if if he never smoked crack at all until this happened and then then he was went into a binge i go wow i that. But the fact that he was smoking crack. With him in the car. Taking him to get crack in the car. It's like a little less.
Starting point is 01:37:29 I feel bad for everybody, and I feel terrible for him, obviously. But Jesus Christ. At this point is kind of when it gets real low. At one point here, he pawns his World Series ring, which is always the lowest of the low when you pawn your World Series ring. And his dad's gun collection, which was a very important very important thing of course a family heirloom type thing people in the south the gun collection is everything that's that was a big deal they like to hunt together that was a thing and you know uh in at one point he from time to time he's homeless uh he says he's sleeping
Starting point is 01:38:01 outside or on shitty couches and like flop houses and crack houses. Where's the daughter on the X? We'll talk about it here. He says that he was stabbed within two inches of his spinal cord at one point. There's a couple more stories that are bonkers. Let's do it in their own words because I'd love to hear what the hell he's thinking at this point. I just think we need to find out here. In their own words, quote, the lowest moment was just to know that you're completely alone on a dirt dark highway.
Starting point is 01:38:29 You're the only one up at two thirty in the morning. You're walking and the pit of your stomach is just bored out with a hole in it. Something that you just can't fill up. The thing about any kind of dope is that there's that there is too many and one thousand isn't enough. There's never enough for you, which is just a mess that should never be a sentence you ever say sir no it's you made almost two million dollars and won the world series yeah yeah his career yeah yeah and then what the fuck and in the 80s too i mean jesus it's not bad god jesus so that is in march of 1991 everything is going terrible may night may 29th 1991 there's a fluff piece
Starting point is 01:39:06 he's good now he's sleeping on the side of the highway he's fine nope nope jimmy according to this article yeah everything is fine now um this was two a month ago he's a complete disaster uh now it says that he's decided that it all has to end. Yeah. Uh, this is his son. He's thinking about his son. He says he remembers, uh, the last day. Uh, uh, he says,
Starting point is 01:39:29 uh, uh, July 14th. He said he'd been out on another two day binge and he asked his father to go get him some breakfast from Hardee's. His father got the food and then sat down and talked to him. Uh, he says that,
Starting point is 01:39:42 uh, he's felt a lot of shame while his dad talked to him. He said, quote, the house reeked of odors. All our clothes were dirty and there was drug paraphernalia all over. And my dad was telling me it was no way for a man to live.
Starting point is 01:39:54 I finally saw he was right. So he talks about... What? Listen to this. So he says... My one-armed father told me this is no way to live. This is not how you live you know
Starting point is 01:40:05 dad you know what i shouldn't smoke a bunch of crack you're right i don't know what i was thinking this hardy sure is delicious you know the hardies put it really put it clear through my mind here uh he says i finally saw uh that he was right and he says he checked himself into drug recovery unit he was only there for 42 days of 60 for a reason and we'll talk about that but he's pretending like it's fine here and so is the paper uh he says that's the month he learned that colin had six months to live uh so he dropped his uh his his baseball comeback he was attempting oh boy and uh and to be with his son and uh he was trying for a baseball comeback he said his arm was sound he threw you know he said right now he's throwing around 86 miles an hour which wasn't bad punches at his wife punching yeah he's got a lot of a lot
Starting point is 01:40:50 of muscle from punching uh the cleveland indians president hank peters said quote it's doubtful that he could that he could after make a comeback after being away for a couple of years i don't think we'd be interested it's doubtful a player could come back when he's been removed from that level of competition for so long. He says, on the other hand, Stewart says, quote, I know the talent that I have. And I know now I know what I have to do to make this talent happen is to be a full 100 percent shape. He said, I wasn't ready then. I wasn't in shape before when he pitched in the senior leagues there. He had injuries.
Starting point is 01:41:25 Peggy's squatting behind the mound. He's throwing like Magnavox remotes to him. Yeah. There you go. Look how fast it is, coach. Coming in hot. He says here, quote, crack was hard for me to let go of, but it was time to clean myself up. I'll be recovering for the rest of my life.
Starting point is 01:41:42 But the important thing is I'm good now did he really say that he doesn't but he says quote i've been to rehab four times rehab isn't going to help me i pretend to go out jogging and buy cocaine on the sly at rehab uh one time they kicked me out after two weeks because they said no one had ever had more cocaine in their system during while he was there for two weeks so they're like i don't think you're doing this right uh he said i've quit for as long as 18 months i can do it but you have to keep wanting to do it they're testing him and his levels are like going up he's like yeah this is amazing your body just makes coke sir reduces coke are you colombian sir by any chance this is bananas uh june 5th 1991 so fluff piece keep in mind, Fluff Peace, May 29th, 1991.
Starting point is 01:42:27 He's great. Everything's fine. Baseball comeback, clean as a whistle. The world is his oyster. June 5th, a week later, he's arrested and charged with misdemeanor larceny for stealing from a Kmart. Wow. In Hendersonville, North Carolina.
Starting point is 01:42:42 Unbelievable. That's rock bottom. It really is he's accused of stealing a men's wristwatch valued at 34.97 gross uh yeah so i mean uh and he doesn't show back up for court no for that either so i'm not going he's not good now at all i don't want a judge to see no no uh yeah on june 10th 1991 he's indicted for his november arrest from before for the cocaine arrest in november he tells the judge quote i i was an embarrassment to my family and i know i disappointed them but that's all behind me now i want to handle myself in a first class manner yeah i'm good now
Starting point is 01:43:17 yeah first class all the way baby you find out about me stealing from kmart all the way yeah i love that he says that at a court appearance after he stole a wristwatch from kmart for 35 first class james god jesus class first class fuck man steal from a better store you're stealing from kmart kmart so june 15th 1991 he fails to appear in court which is a problem uh there's an arrest warrant issued for him after he fails to appear in court for stealing 34.97 watch so now they're hunting him yeah in the streets for stealing a 35 kmart watch yeah and it's at this point too by the way over this summer he worked as an assistant baseball coach at the university of north carolina ashville what so he's this was like people are they were asking him to people were asking him to be like looked up to yeah uh june 29th though
Starting point is 01:44:11 two weeks later he's let go from coaching at unc ashville and he's a volunteer by the way he's not even getting paid not even a job like you just can't come back here anymore you're not don't be on this campus you're not fucking welcome uh yeah he was uh well he was arrested again uh that's why on june 29th when his next series of arrests he gets let go he has a bunch of court dates he's arrested for driving without a license and for failure to stop at a red light uh he's also got an assault on a female charge that's happening from around there uh the the uh athletic director of unc ashville said quote with the problem sammy has had recently we decided that it would be in the best interest of the
Starting point is 01:44:50 baseball program the athletic department and the university if we severed our ties with sammy we appreciate his hard work this past spring as he was a tremendous help to our baseball program he's really helped our kids and was one of the reasons we advanced to the league championship game uh but we can't have a crack-smoking wife puncher around the kids. Back of a nice guy to us. Really treats his wife like shit. Ends up being sent to jail
Starting point is 01:45:13 for seven months here for all this stuff. An old Orioles teammate, pitcher Mike Flanagan, wrote a letter to the judge to try to keep him out of jail. He said, I guess i wrote it because i remembered back when all the hope and promise that he had he's had a terrible journey which i mean you could definitely get a sob going for this guy he can make you feel bad for him he talks about his kid just died and all that kind of shit
Starting point is 01:45:38 uh he says i uh boy he was abundantly talented he could do just about anything he could pitch every day pitch long pitch short he was talented in other ways He could do just about anything. He could pitch every day, pitch long, pitch short. He was talented in other ways, too. He could amuse the whole team with comedy routines we had. There were so many avenues that he could have gone into after baseball. Certainly broadcasting, that kind of thing. Great storyteller. That's what we all remember.
Starting point is 01:45:58 He came back for an old-timers game and said he just got out of jail, but it was still that Sammy that we knew in the clubhouse. But obviously there was that whole other side. When Colin died, he was broke and I steered him to BAT, which is baseball assistance team. There probably wasn't a guy around that he wasn't into for some money. There was always a great story of
Starting point is 01:46:18 why he needed the money. He seemed sincere but you knew you were never going to see it again. So he was going around to these other people, to ex-teammates, and just borrowing money from people. 1992, he's sent to jail for five months for driving with a revoked license. And now we're going to go through a list of just... Oh, boy. You can't even do it date by date.
Starting point is 01:46:40 There's just so many. So we're just going to... Really? Here's a list of his arrests over the next few years. Okay. We'll start just going to... Really? Here's a list of his arrests over the next few years. Okay. We'll start just speeding, 91 and a 55. Oh. Speeding.
Starting point is 01:46:51 Criminal issuance of a bad check. Resisting or obstructing a peace officer. Theft of $500 value plus. Assault of a female. Assault of a female. Intoxicated and disruptive public public behavior uh uh snc sc for 55 i don't know what that is i'm not a fucking criminal guy something stole some shit stole crap 55 uh assault on a female uh second degree trespassing trespassing without a license
Starting point is 01:47:22 driving license revoked while he's driving. These are a part. There's so many more. That's just a part. But we have to take a break to tell you some shit that happens in his life. He's a bad guy. Oh, he gets arrested so often, man. What is he doing? It's a mess.
Starting point is 01:47:35 1994, Peggy finally leaves him. Wow, that took a while. That took a while. She hung in there for a long time. That's a good woman. My God, is she a nice woman she's tough anyway uh he ends up and ending up in ashville uh north carolina he said that he'd uh he never even thought about dying only he only thought about how he'd scrounge up money for his
Starting point is 01:47:56 next hit of crack when he woke up uh he said that you know he's just arrested all the time he broke promises to his kids and his wife and everything uh uh everything his sister said the one we talked about earlier that you know talked about his blue eyes she said quote he lost himself it was it was just a drug walking around as far as i'm concerned uh he got a job at a factory at one point but he lost his job like he always did at least he didn't lose an arm that's true i to say, his legs are intact. He says, quote, it would always come down to you're a felon. The field at my high school was Sammy Stewart Field, but then a new principal came in and took the sign down.
Starting point is 01:48:35 No more Sammy Stewart Field. How many times have we seen our guys? That's another thing we have to find. That's another crime in sports like a milestone to have your name removed from your high school field that's when you know you've gone gone bad burner uh jesus christ it's like a scene in the movie yeah you know i mean the story of his life watching that sign go up watching that bad stuff uh his only steady income has been his pension of thirty six hundred dollars a month from baseball uh but he only receives fourteen hundred dollars after taxes and child support
Starting point is 01:49:10 yeah so that's what he's living on uh he burned all his bridges with his major league pals uh he said he started living under bridges actually in asheville he said quote i would panhandle i was one of the best at it i'd tell him i was traveling from murphy to columbia south carolina and my brakes went out uh that i helped a lot of people and i believe it comes back to you can you spare a little gas money sometimes i get a couple hundred dollars a day and it would go right to the pipe how would he tell them hey i'm a good guy i help a lot of people and i could really use some help right now if you help me out maybe it'll come back to you like you know hopefully it's coming back to me now have some gas money fuck no dude
Starting point is 01:49:47 that car's dangerous yeah well he's asking for break money okay that's what he's doing here my breaks went out can you fix my help me get i'm trying to collect money to fix my break so i can keep going that's crazy uh yeah and i'm sure he brought up cystic fibrosis and all that shit because he knows that yeah people oh jesus here's 20 bucks uh now alicia his daughter says that he used her illness to con people out of money uh that she never even saw she said one time quote i was at a gas station and this guy stared me down was looking right through me and then he walked up to me and said quote your dad told me you died so this guy was angry at her for being alive how fucking dare you be alive you fucking bitch die oh that hurts jesus christ so that's what he's doing though he's telling people my
Starting point is 01:50:38 kid just died could you spare it wow we're trying to bury my daughter can you spare something and they give him money your money helped helped, sir. I'm alive. I'm doing great. See, I'm doing great. Thank you for donating. Wow. But it's at this point in 94 that the MLB collusion lawsuit comes in, and he is awarded $332,000 in damages.
Starting point is 01:50:59 That's so much crack. He was seeking $1.4 million, but he got a third, whatever, so that's not bad. And that, I guess, I think a chunk of that goes to peggy she gets part of that as like a child support thing and then the rest of it goes to all these charges that we're going to talk about oh so much crack because he has no money immediately this does not last him no way this is gone 10 minutes it's over gone oh gone uh let's see here we have let's go back into this, drug paraphernalia and possession of drugs, DWI level 2 in Massachusetts, habitual felon arrest, possession of a Schedule 2 drug, speeding, writing a worthless check, felony breaking and entering, larceny over $200, on a female DWI level 1
Starting point is 01:51:45 DWI the drug one the what's it called ability impaired DWI level 4 possession of a schedule 2 drug possession of a schedule 2 drug possession of a schedule 2 drug possession of a schedule 2 drug
Starting point is 01:51:59 possession of a schedule 2 drug possession of a schedule 2 drug oh my god assault on female assault on female fish and game violation he was fishing? he was feeding crack to the fish Schedule 2 drug. Possession of a Schedule 2 drug. Oh, my God. Assault on female. Assault on female. Fish and game violation. He was fishing?
Starting point is 01:52:08 He was feeding crack to the fish. Maybe if I use crack as bait, the fish will come. That's how it works. It works on me. He was fishing out of the canal to eat, wasn't he? Probably. Yeah, probably. Who knows? Or he was sleeping somewhere in a public, in a park area, something like that.
Starting point is 01:52:20 Pissing in public. Some sort of illegal contraband weaponry that's not real specific uh controlled substance uh schedule two uh controlled substance by a person not registered i think that's probably a prescription drug that he doesn't have a prescription for uh possession of drug paraphernalia uh possession of drugs by a person not registered drug paraphernalia aggravated assault conspiracy to commit robbery and threaten uh immediate serious injury uh recklessly endangering another person robbery threatening serious uh bodily injury take a break for a second he's a gangster rapper worse is impressive oh if tupac had this record his fucking albums
Starting point is 01:53:05 would have been even bigger fuck with him uh december 22nd 1995 his mom dies uh there so his mom's died a shame yeah she died of a legless shameful death uh-huh back to the arrest yeah terroristic threats with intent to terrorize another uhft by unlawful taking of movable property. I think it's a car. A shitty car. Speeding, 87 and a 65. Speeding, 74 and a 55. Drunk in public. Failure to pay fines and fees.
Starting point is 01:53:33 Drunk in public. Failure to pay fines and fees. Drunk in public. Speeding is a 72 and a 55. Speeding, 65 and a 55. Disregarding red light. Drunk in public. Possession of cocaine.
Starting point is 01:53:44 Trespassing. Drunk in public, possession of cocaine, trespassing, drunk in public, possession of drug paraphernalia, failure to appear, failure to have registration for a car, speeding, 34 and a 25, bad check, expired registration. It's every day. It's every day. How does he do this? He is arrested from 1988 to 2006. He's arrested 46 times for more than 60 offenses. How do you
Starting point is 01:54:06 do that? I don't even know what to say about that. That puts Vernon Maxwell to shame. I don't think I've seen 46 cops in my life. That's insane. Imagine being taken to jail in handcuffs that many times. And I watch Live PD. How many times has
Starting point is 01:54:21 another grown man looked at his asshole through a flashlight? Honestly. How many times has another grown man looked at his asshole through a flashlight honestly how many times there's enough for you and during this time he's sent to prison six times for a total of 25 months over this period of time incredible and that's not even his main deal here and we'll talk about that what the shit 96 he serves two months in jail on a drug charge. Ninety seven. He serves two months in jail on a drug charge. He says, well, let's hear what he says about it. Quote, I never really wanted to stop, I guess. Well, no shit.
Starting point is 01:54:51 Yeah, it's pathetic when you go to a rehab and you've got the most cocaine in your system that they've ever seen. Everybody's talking about turning their lives around and I'm out there pretending I'm jogging and getting cocaine delivered. Fourteen days later, I'm kicked out with a suitcase in my hand walking walking down the road wondering where am i gonna go i wound up sleeping under the bridges and passing a 40 ounce bottle of beer around with people who just got off the bus gross what a fucking gross life thing a bottle of beer with other bridge like dwelling dirt bags you pass around a 40 with three four people you're not even getting
Starting point is 01:55:26 you're not getting better have a lot of 40s and then you all just get your own what the fuck uh now peggy at this point uh who we separated from at this point she said she's working two jobs stone sober never hasn't had a drink or anything in years uh dealing with her own substance abuse issues from the past and his uh she said at this point quote i look at his picture and i don't even know who he is he was once so funny and so giving and so athletic in high school he hated drugs he'd say why are they smoking marijuana why are they doing that to their bodies so uh crack is worse buddy yeah uh so peggy said also uh about these they said well is it because the death of
Starting point is 01:56:06 your son is that why he turned to drugs and he she said that's an excuse not a not a reason oh yes he's a con artist oh goodness his career should have been as a con artist he can con me out of anything no doubt so he's getting out of this this shit out of these jails and he is just literally wandering the streets yeah going to fucking bridges going i thought a life of crime was like a thing that you did in the 30s and 40s you can't live that today oh he did and this guy's doing it he lived a life of crime and he's out there and fucking just out in the goddamn streets and he's like you know he's doing shady shit to get drugs that's what he's doing he's fucking robbing people he's looking in windows he's trying to find stuff like that and there's this one house he looks in the window and he's
Starting point is 01:56:49 as he's looking in the window all of a sudden the door opens and shocks the shit out of him and uh he thinks it's an easy he thinks he could just run this person over easy and take everything she has but then he realizes it's not gonna happen because it's my grandma and she says ma how is it you come to arrive here ma why what are you doing ma i ask you you have the nice the nice wife yeah she smoked a crack with you that's nice she's a nice woman and you'd be mean you punch in face your your son die you take them for crap by the way to your hair all, get a nice man haircut. Maybe trim up real nice. Get a nice.
Starting point is 01:57:29 I have an idea, too, because, you know, you don't play the baseball or whatever you do anymore. Maybe you get a job at the jail. That's a good thing. You're there anyway. You know all the people. You go in. You say, hey, you know. You're there anyway.
Starting point is 01:57:43 Maybe instead I get paid. I do some things while I'm here. And then maybe also you get out. You know, these guys, maybe they don't arrest you then because they know you. I'm just saying. I don't know. But you're terrible. And I am very disgusted with you.
Starting point is 01:57:54 I have to go. Poof. And a poof of marinara sauce. She is definitely gone. Sammy's very confused. He only understood every other word. And he's not too. She's a very nice woman very nice woman she did have her knife out the whole time so he was by the way the knife that my grandmother threatened people with when you ask her why'd you have a knife she goes my
Starting point is 01:58:17 apples so she could slice apples up and threaten people's nutsacks somebody did that in the movie oh never mind. It's not never mind. She's crazy. I was thinking of Dennis the Menace. Oh, yeah. When the guy from the guy from from Back to the Future. What's his doc? Doc. Yeah. What's his real name? Doc
Starting point is 01:58:38 Christopher. God damn it. Christopher Lloyd. Yeah. And Dennis the Menace. He jammed it. Whatever. He ate an apple with a knife. Yeah. Yeah. It's a menacing. He jammed a, whatever. He ate an apple with a knife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a menacing move. So, especially for a little old lady. I just saw that.
Starting point is 01:58:52 As your grandma's eating an apple with a knife. Yeah, and threatening you. 1998, his father dies. So, it took a lot to take him down, but he's finally down. Also, Samir serves four months on a drug charge. So, everything's going well. He said, quote, everything I have has been pawned for it. Crack he's talking about.
Starting point is 01:59:10 All my stuff is gone. All my material things. I don't have a driver's license. I don't have a house. I don't have clothes or memorabilia. I have nothing. They even said that he used to have 4,000 LPs, 4,000 record albums. He used to be a big record album collector.
Starting point is 01:59:23 Today he'd be rolling in it. He said, they're all gone. All gone. All in hipster pawn shops today. 4000 lps 4000 record albums he used to be a big record album collector rolling in it he said they're all gone all gone all in hipster pawn shops today he said quote i've slept under bridges on park benches out in the woods i've been homeless friendless shot at i've been hit with hammers i've been stabbed in the back over 55 i've run over people with my car i don't think the cops knew that i've robbed people myself as far as running off with dope grabbing it out of their hands i've had every fight there is to have he's a mess yeah that's fucking crazy that's a hell of a story uh yeah so that's that's wild though he told like we said he told people his daughter was dead uh his wife his ex-wife here peggy says he isn't the person i knew
Starting point is 02:00:00 in high school the person i fell in love with he's's a con artist. And he says, that's true. He says, quote, I take full responsibility for everything. There was times when I was just pathetic. 1999, he has a son with another woman, not with Peggy. How is he fucking? A kid named Brian, he has. 2000, another son. No! Let's have more kids while you're in jail and smoking crack.
Starting point is 02:00:22 Ryan and Christian, these two are. What the fuck is he doing? Do they have cystic fibrosis, too? No, they don't. They're with another woman. So apparently whatever cocktail he makes with Peggy makes cystic fibrosis, apparently. But with the other one, it's not. So, yeah, he by 2003, he said that his relationship with Peggy and his daughter have completely kind of you know
Starting point is 02:00:46 deteriorated alicia lives on disability because she's sick uh they've all grown kind of weary of them alicia said quote he'd come up to my friends and panhandle them oh my god imagine that oh that's the worst he finally moved back in with us in 2003 because he had nowhere to go he'd start drinking and his foot would start shaking and you could just see him itching for drugs. He needed he needs more than alcohol to give him a high. So he'd finally leave and we wouldn't see him for a few days and he'd come back all scraggly and dirty in the same clothes, which is just fucking horrible. He says about his wife and daughter, quote, they're bitter at me because of some of the things i've done well no shit all of the things you've done yeah not being there for them i guess but i will say wow you think how do stuff like that how do you minimize i guess wow shit like that i guess if you're going to be picky about the whole thing i mean if you could if you're
Starting point is 02:01:41 going to be real picky about it then fine unbelievable he says uh uh but i uh but i will say uh peggy and alicia they're wonderful together they're best friends now because they've been through so much together that's one good thing that came out of all this trauma bonding great they're ariel castro's victims this is is beautiful. In 2004, Alicia received a double lung transplant. Wow. So she could have very easily died. Yeah. Instead, received a double lung transplant. And she says about this afterwards, quote, I saw him on the street.
Starting point is 02:02:16 He was homeless. I said, let me do something. He said, I can take care of myself. But then he called the next day and said, about giving me that 30 dollars you promised she says well i never promised any amount when i saw him i gave him 20 dollars and he got mad he went around to the other side of the car and asked my mom for some she gave him three dollars unbelievable so he just panhandled his family for 23 bucks yeah he panhandled his family for 23 that is That is vile as shit, man. She says, I don't look at him as a dad like everybody else is.
Starting point is 02:02:49 He's not even really in my life. I don't talk to him regularly. And at the end of the conversation, I don't feel like saying, I love you. I do love him and I care about him, but our outlooks are so different. You know, I'm trying to not die. He's trying to smoke crack and sleep under bridges. We have very different interests. She's so selfish with all those. All I want is 30 bucks. All this this oxygen this fucking broad needs jesus christ unbelievable all right with your oxygen calm the fuck down shit she says the way he lives it doesn't
Starting point is 02:03:16 look uh like he uh it looks like he doesn't care if he lives or dies i want to live life to the fullest i wish he would say my daughter has fought so hard. Why can't I straighten myself up and help her enjoy her wonderful life? He says that he does think that he says, quote, there's a lot of times when I've thought about death, not killing myself, but that I was killing myself. Here I've got a daughter trying everything she can to live. Here I am killing myself with drugs, but i want to live because as long as i can uh as long as i can improvement is possible someone asked me if i thought i had thrown my life away no way i'm still here i'm going to be happy i'm going to pick someone up in prison when they're down i'm going to try to work towards something uh 2004 he serves a five-month sentence
Starting point is 02:03:59 on a drunk charge so yeah you got your opportunity pick somebody up and he's that's what i mean to april 1st 2005 he files chapter 13 bankruptcy in uh gastonia north carolina uh november 2005 alicia had a surgery and she was driving home from the surgery with her mother when she saw her dad walking down the road she said quote he looked so awful grass and dirt all over him his face was yellowy and all wrinkles his hair looked like bozo the clown and he smelled like he'd been living in a ditch that's a bad description so they stopped obviously yeah because you can't just drive but unless he smells so bad you can get it through the vents yeah she said it was really bad i was scared to hug him i offered to get him some food
Starting point is 02:04:39 and he said no no no he offered me a smoke he, now that you got new lungs, you can have a cigarette. What the fuck is he doing? I don't know what he's doing. I don't know if it's his attempted humor or what. I hope so, because that's a dipshit thing to do. So she smokes a pack and a half a day now, actually. It's pretty interesting. She obviously didn't have any.
Starting point is 02:05:02 Yeah, she obviously said, no, that's all right. I have two transplanted lungs. I'm good here's somebody else's so no she says alicia i love him and i always will but i'm tired of people saying poor old sammy i fought really hard in my life for my mom's sake so she wouldn't have both of her children dead and he there he is just killing himself she said uh she said that's the hardest thing to understand because i'm not that kind of person. I'm a giving person. You don't have to care about other people or your family.
Starting point is 02:05:30 You'll steal from your family. So, yeah. So, that's what she says. And, yeah. He says, you know, he's trying his best. He wants to write a book. Yeah. It's going to be a good book. It's called, quote, Life Isn't All It's Cracked Up To Be.
Starting point is 02:05:44 Are you serious? i think i'm making that up life isn't all it's cracked up to be yeah it's really come on i've been saving that for fucking two hours man that is amazing that's for real geez that's brilliant that's what he wants to do that's his plan he's sitting under bridges bridges trying to find the best pun. You found it, Sammy. He says a story here. Quote, a young guy told me I got what you want, and he got in the car and showed me a big bag. I had $160, and I tasted it. I said, that ain't shit.
Starting point is 02:06:16 That's cornmeal. He said, man, give me your money. So I backhanded him, knocked him out of the car, and drove away. All of a sudden, I heard something. Pop, pop. And my back window was already busted out. I had plastic and obviously didn't have windows in this car. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:06:28 Heard the bubble wrap pop. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's... Pop, pop. Pop, pop. He said he heard that. His back window was already busted out. I had plastic on it.
Starting point is 02:06:36 The first bullet went through that little plastic window and down into the back seat. Then as I was going, the second bullet went through the trunk and through the back seat and landed in the back of my driver's seat. I found a little 38 bullet and I kept it. So people are shooting at him. Yeah. 2006, he's arrested again for cocaine and they're charging him as a habitual felon this time, which it's about goddamn time.
Starting point is 02:06:59 He's never had like enough of a thing. Like he never got caught with like, you know, a kilo. So it's like trafficking and they put him away. He's always like a little bit caught with like you know a kilo so it's like trafficking and they put him away he's always like a little bit a little bit a little bit so it's like yeah it's stupid to put him in jail for five years for having a gram of cocaine but at some point he needs just a reset uh he's arrested and he said he was thankful for this he's arrested and he said once he was in jail when after the arrest he said quote i dropped to my knees i reached both my hands up toward the lord no and i said well i ain't been the best person but i hope you can help me to make it through this
Starting point is 02:07:30 he's fighting jesus on a prison cell floor that is the that should be crime and sports don't find god in jail because you'll fuck it up uh he's in jail for 180 days awaiting trial wow uh so that's awaiting trial that's six months of just sitting there uh that'll help you find him yeah he uh he pleads guilty to a charge of being a habitual felon here uh he pleads that habitual felon felony drug possession and failure to appear in court on a felony uh they said that his jail term on this when he gets sentenced could stretch to nine years in prison the da said quote it's a very sad situation i've known sammy stewart for probably 20 years we've dealt with him here in the court system for years and he would get caught and make promises and not follow through he's a fellow that had all the opportunities in the world to
Starting point is 02:08:20 made a lot of money we're just not going to deal with him up here anymore at least not for the next 80 months okay he's like we're just done going to deal with him up here anymore, at least not for the next 80 months. Okay. He's like, we're just done. And then the judge sits him down and sentences him. He says, you, sir, may fuck off eight years in prison, has to serve at least six in jail. Oh, Jesus. So, yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:39 Wow. He told the judge here, quote, it was two rocks, $12 worth of cocaine that sent me to prison for six years and eight months of my life. No, it's not. No, it was so much more. Remember when you punched your wife a bunch? And how many tons of coke have you had? I mean, it's probably all that, too. Remember all those speeding charges?
Starting point is 02:08:58 Good God, assault on a female and everything else. Remember when you ran somebody over and didn't get charged with it? Possession of a Schedule II drug, does that mean anything to you? Remember when you were on coke and rehab, you idiot? Jesus. His lawyer said, quote, basically the county authorities felt they had done as much as they could and weren't willing to give him another break. They just threw in the towel.
Starting point is 02:09:14 He's a drug addict. He's not a dealer. He hasn't done anything illegal to try to feed his habit. He just wants to get his hands on a cocaine rock or two. He hasn't done anything illegal? Stupid robberies. He's done all kinds of illegal shit now he says quote i've never had a violent crime except for beating the shit out of your wife
Starting point is 02:09:29 he forgot about that one and he said he robbed people and he hit a guy with a car threatened to hit your friends because i wanted to stop you from being your wife i ran a guy over with my car at one point so yes he says i think i'm a good person i think the lord is going to help me at this time i've never been a religious person but at at the same time, I've always believed. He's given me a lot of peace about it. When I did nine and a half months in 2004, I worried about my life being over. Now I'm looking at six and a half years, and I'm more peaceful about it. Peggy and Alicia are like, you know, there's shoulder shrug here.
Starting point is 02:10:02 Alicia says, quote, he hasn't harmed anyone but himself. Well, he tore our family up, but we survived it. Peggy said six years seems like a long time. Will he come out better? I don't know. I just know I pray for him every night. And then Alicia says, quote, I don't know if it's going to help him. I hope it does.
Starting point is 02:10:18 I'm worried it might make him more bitter, but that's all up to him. People have this image of him being a great guy who just happened to go down the wrong path. Well, he is a great guy, but he's been doing this drug. He's been in this drug life a long time. He wants this life. It disgusts me. He'll never understand what I went through. He'll never understand a lot of things. I mean, when I came home from my lung transplant and he saw me, you know what he did? He offered me a cigarette. That was the other one. So yeah. And now I got this habit. You got a got a light yeah a light here because i'm up to two packs a day he says he's not worried about doing the time he says i have the lord with me now his will will be done i'm gonna be okay i had my fun i partied i knew i couldn't take nothing with me but i'm
Starting point is 02:10:59 gonna get to where i'm gonna be an older man that's respected. I'd love to be a pitching coach. How about a non-crack smoking coach? I'd do it for free. I'd love to teach kids. Be your own person and be proud of not doing drugs. I believe it's really cool to say no. For the last 10 minutes, I believe this. I would tell any youngster to listen to the people you love. It's something I couldn't do at an older age.
Starting point is 02:11:29 I want to give something to my children where they say daddy we're proud of you and whenever i die they'll say my daddy beat it it took him a long time but he beat it you know what i'm gonna beat it i will i know i will he's gonna beat it uh in prison he says he's uh he makes he's making plans to take culinary classes and prepare himself for a release. He said, quote, I'll be 58 then. That's not that old. This might wrinkle my face, but it won't wrinkle my spirit. Oh, boy. I don't know. That's too much.
Starting point is 02:11:55 His spirit is wrinkled, everybody. I don't know what I'm going to do when I get out. I'd love to try Baltimore. I should have never left there. There's a lot of crack in Baltimore. There is. From what I understand from the wire, plenty of crack at this time for you. Perfect. You never have never left there. There's a lot of crack in Baltimore. From what I understand, from the wire, plenty of crack at this time for you.
Starting point is 02:12:08 Perfect. You wouldn't know. I'd like to come back to... Maybe he'll turn into Omar. He'll go around robbing these people for their crack. I'd like to come back to Maryland and help out in any way, whether it be with a baseball team at Towson State or speaking to little leagues or at hospitals. I'd like people to say, Sammy's
Starting point is 02:12:24 done cleaned himself up. I hope they don't say or at hospitals, I'd like people to say Sammy's done cleaned himself up. I hope they don't say it that way. I'd also like to write a book. I already got the title. It's going to be called Life Ain't All It's Cracked Up To Be. So he said that shit in public. Also, sometime in prison, there's an assault on an officer state employee in here.
Starting point is 02:12:37 At some point, he has some... He did it? He has some... I don't know how it resolved, but he has some sort of resolution or some sort of fight with an employee, with a prison guard, which who knows? That could be anything. He took cooking classes.
Starting point is 02:12:51 He says he learned 26 songs on the guitar while in prison. He connected with a woman from his past. A woman found him. And he also says he learned to refuse crack rocks. That's a good thing. He talked about how he dreams about crack rocks. And he dreams about buying a crack rock and then waking up in jail and not to refuse crack rocks. That's a good thing. He talked about how he dreams about crack rocks. Oh, I'm sure. And he dreams about buying a crack rock and then waking up in jail and not having any crack rocks.
Starting point is 02:13:10 Or any opportunity to go get it. Absolutely. In prison, he writes a letter to everybody. This is a letter to his fans. Open letter. Open letter here. Hello to Baltimore, friends, family, and from the correctional center in Asheville. I've been thinking more lately, and it seems the old times are really dwindling away these last five years have definitely altered my
Starting point is 02:13:28 reality prison is not a place to be i'm glad i've learned humility and i work hard to stay teachable we all must the reason i want to claim my mistakes atone for them and voice them to the baltimore area is because you have given me strength and desire to keep trying no matter what obstacles are ahead baltimore was always more than a home while I was in Perry Hall. The glory of our championship era when I was in the prime of my life on the most talented pitching staff in baseball, my children being taken care of by Johns Hopkins, being introduced to food and culture while surrounded by friends and family,
Starting point is 02:13:58 all of that I turned loose with my reckless actions, not them letting me down. That runs deeply inside my veins, burning and scarring, along with also lots of cocaine. I always feel the pain of loss when I enter into memories and recollections of my team and teammates that I spent 11 years with that were all thrilling and full of magic. We had the most wonderful pitching crew
Starting point is 02:14:18 in baseball that was stingy in multiple 90-plus winning seasons. Mike Flanagan once said we were more than nasty. You see, everyone wants to come of age and everyone wants to be real. I don't want any more or less. I would like to say I'm sincerely sorry for hurting anyone in any way.
Starting point is 02:14:33 Sometimes we aren't given a chance to tell people that we care. I'm glad and fortunate that you were a part of my life. So many opportunities vanish. He says, he talks about Mike Flanagan for a while here. It doesn't really need to be talked about. He really wants to fuck Mike. Yeah, he does.
Starting point is 02:14:50 He does. He said he once nailed my shoes to the floor. He switched pictures of me with ones of him. He cut the pant legs off my dress pants in Texas. We laughed in good times and shared seriously about my sun cystic fibrosis and the very serious possibility of test tube babies i wanted more just you know whatever that's a weird thought yeah yeah he says uh oh my god jesus okay he talks okay i have to read this part i wanted more of him and and i'm now left with life's life's regrets changes and vast amounts of unfairness. I can yet reminisce about Flanny, Mark Flanagan there,
Starting point is 02:15:28 Mark Bellinger, Cal Ripken Sr., who's the manager there, Ellie Hendricks, Pat Kelly, and Todd Cruz, and hopefully not many more that I missed paying respects to as they head to Memorial Heights Stadium. I was friends to all of them, and I must keep rolling in the deep as sung by Adele until I surface. No.
Starting point is 02:15:48 What? When we started this, did you think he'd make an Adele reference ever? Fuck no. Fuck no. You never thought that in a million years. He's quoting Adele in his open letter. That's right, goddammit.
Starting point is 02:15:58 Fuck yeah. Thank you all. Thank you guys. He's rocking the cell block. Wow. Jesus Christ. I hate that motherfucker in jail. I would say so. He's rocking the cell block. Wow. Jesus Christ. They hate that motherfucker in jail. I would say so.
Starting point is 02:16:08 Look at this douchebag. Thank you guys for all the good times and wonderful memories. I'm a richer man for them. Hopefully, when I get out of prison on the 10th of January 2013, there'll be a 30th anniversary reunion for the 83 champs of the world. I will be there with a clear and focused and potentially dampening eyes. Your friend, Sammy Stewart. He said lots of inmates have tried to offer him drugs.
Starting point is 02:16:31 He said that he says to them, no, I've already tried it. Can't handle it. He learned how to make buttermilk biscuits and all sorts of shit like that. He's really into the cooking thing. He says that my food would taste good on the bottom of a shoe. That's what he says. He's trying to say he's very, very delicious there. He knows how to do his shit.
Starting point is 02:16:52 It's super weird. So he got a letter from Sherry Lindquist, who is a woman that they had a conversation in 1984 when she had Mariner season tickets behind the opposing bullpen. And they got in a conversation he asked her about apples up there because he wanted to get some washington apples she mailed him some apples in north carolina and she had been through a divorce and looked him up and found him and so she sent him a letter and they got together she came to visit with her sister and all that sort of thing. She returned every six months and then finally said she was going to move to North Carolina.
Starting point is 02:17:30 And she says, quote, it was like we just completed each other. I know that sounds crazy. Believe me, if my daughter told me she was moving across the country to be with a man in prison, I'd say, uh-uh. Yeah, I would say. But she does it herself. She's fine. He's released from prison in 2013, January. He lives in Hendersonville, North Carolina.
Starting point is 02:17:50 Parole officer drove him to the little duplex that Sherry Lundquist had bought for them. She had a wall with all of his stuff up, memorabilia, pictures of him and shit, everything like that. Stocked the fridge, so he's all set. He told the paper in 2013 he looked forward to a life, a new life off drugs. He says, quote, I used to do clinics back when I was playing ball, and I'd love to start those up again. I know a thing or two about pitching. I also think I'd be a good motivational speaker.
Starting point is 02:18:18 I want to teach kids the dangers of drugs and keep them clear of them. I have a lot of stories to tell. So they live in a duplex here uh nice little place several local families have hired him to teach pitching private pitching lessons to their sons he says uh one guy marty davis whose son works with him says quote everybody makes mistakes it's how you recover that makes you the person you are it is touching for me to see uh him have this opportunity and be so warm and genuine with my son. I think a lot of the man.
Starting point is 02:18:47 One point he does an autograph session with a bunch of old teammates. He's like back in the, you know, like Orioles days here. You know, those teammates. They say he said old teammates couldn't believe how good he looked when he showed up. They said, quote, they expected me to be shriveled up like a prune. Yeah, because they heard you've been on crack for 25 years. Yeah, it's not a... At this point, he's 250 pounds.
Starting point is 02:19:08 Wow. He's bulking up. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Mike Boddicker, who's a pitcher, said, quote, I thought he looked wonderful. He looked so good. He sounded like himself. Funny as ever. We were all family, and I'm excited to have him back with the group.
Starting point is 02:19:20 So, not too bad. Rick Dempsey, the catcher, said it was good to see that little spark in him again obviously prison made an impression on him he needed that yeah no shit so he's teaching lessons uh he says that he comes home with a voice a hoarse voice and a sore arm uh but he loves teaching uh he said uh he just loves it a lot and he's he's taking modest fees like you know $20 an hour or something like that nothing crazy he's trying to work to mend the relationships with his children
Starting point is 02:19:51 he likes to go and try to go to Alicia's house and try to make friends with her and try to hang out with her Peggy says quote I think it's a thing in progress he's getting there I think he thinks he's done so wrong by her but I tell him just get on the phone and call her. She wants to talk to you.
Starting point is 02:20:06 Which, yeah, she wants her dad to be a normal dad and not be a fucking crackhead. He says sometimes he'll get a call from a prison acquaintance and they'll say, quote, I'm out and we're going to be partying tonight at the South Rock Grill. You hear that word partying and you have to back away. You just say, fellas, I got something else to do. You have to take that trigger right out of your hand, which is smart. Why would you give them your number? That's what I mean. I guess you could look them up or whatever.
Starting point is 02:20:30 I'd be unlisted, I would think, at that point. In 2013? Yeah. Fuck out of here. That's what I mean. He says, it's just he likes to keep his curtains open. He says he doesn't even want to watch a movie that has, like, dark drug scenes. He says, quote, like it for i like for
Starting point is 02:20:45 it to stay bright when you're in drug addiction you close your curtains you duct tape your windows because you're paranoid about people seeing you i'm away from all that my windows are open people can knock on my door call me on the phone and i'll get back to you i'm not dying now that's good to know uh that's excellent uh but unfortunately in 2016 34 year old alicia dies of cystic fibrosis damn it uh which is brutal poor thing fucking terrible i mean i that's fucking horrible no matter how much you fucked up in life you got to feel obviously horrible for this guy and his the poor peggy lost both her kids her husband turned into a crackhead like in 1980 when they got married or when i don't think she expected that to be the smile on her face that day of this like i don't think she expected this to ever come
Starting point is 02:21:30 it feels fucking terrible for her not as bad though as i feel for sammy stewart yeah uh security settlement senior specialist say that fucking five times that baird sammy stewart sammy stewart security settlement senior specialist come on man uh baird. Sammy Stewart. Sammy Stewart, security settlement senior specialist. Come on, man. Baird in the greater Milwaukee area. Pastor Sammy Stewart of Panama City, Florida. Oh, God. Sammy Stewart, a pass-cac Hills junior Cowboys from Montvale, New Jersey football player, high school there.
Starting point is 02:22:03 Sammy Stewart, a boxer who had a one-in-one record for two fights. One fight in 1902 and one in 1912. He really got in there. And finally. He waited 10 years? 10 years. I think I can get back in there. Oh, shit, never mind.
Starting point is 02:22:16 God, Jesus. He won the first one. Waited 10 years. And then finally, and the most obviously, Sammy Stewart, pitching coach at College of San Mateo in Mountain View, California. Oh, poor bastard. Yeah, that's not great. That is tough. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 02:22:32 2017, 2018, things start to go awry again for him. Police reports indicate that he has been arrested for trespassing and several other minor crimes. He's out on the street wandering around in 2017 into 2018. Oh, no. Not terrific. March 2, 2018, Major Frank Stout, who works with the sheriff's office there, said they found Stewart in a home, found Sammy in a home on Mountain Road after he hasn't been seen.
Starting point is 02:23:03 The report said that he was found decomposing on his bed after not being seen for one to two weeks. They said they didn't know if it was Stewart's home and they know he moved to Hendersonville and he's been arrested a few times and they didn't know where he was staying. He just died. He just died in bed. Medical examiner requested an autopsy be done. The police said, quote, we will know more once we get the results from that it doesn't appear to be suspicious but we will not make a call on anything until we've got confirmation from the medical examiner of what truly may have happened pathologists said
Starting point is 02:23:34 they found evidence of head trauma but they they thought that was possibly from a reported altercation in january where he was in a fight in the street and they said the report said the trauma did not compress the brain and did not contribute to the cause of death. So it was just a separate head trauma. They find that he died from hypertension and cardiovascular disease, heart disease, basically. When you do a bunch of Coke. Like if you're a fat guy who's 60 years old and you've done shit loads of Coke
Starting point is 02:24:02 in your life and you eat a North Carolina diet, you're gonna you're gonna die at that point oh good lord so he had uh you know obviously the the long struggling addiction they do a toxicology screen and they find uh they find evidence of alcohol use in his body so he was drinking but they found no cocaine or opiates in his system right but he was drinking yeah uh but whatever around a 40 somewhere at least he wasn't fucking smoking crack uh mike boddicker said quote it's just a sad situation sammy had a lot of trials and tribulations in his life and sammy had a really good heart that's the picture mike boddicker i made several million dollars uh sad man mike he had a bad heart he had a bad it was terrible that's they always say he had a good heart after it explodes. No, it didn't. I don't get that. Fuck, we've done that so many times.
Starting point is 02:24:48 Now, there was an article. The article talked about him dying. Just said, like, you know, had a tough life and, you know, blah, blah, blah. Fought addiction and all this shit. And it was really not like a mean article. It was just kind of a basic overview of, you know, played baseball, had some drug addiction. Kids were sick. You know, went to prison, blah, blah, blah. While his wife commented on it. Oh, you know, played baseball, had some drug addiction. Kids were sick, you know,
Starting point is 02:25:05 went to prison, blah, blah, blah. Well, his wife commented on it. Oh my God, Peggy.
Starting point is 02:25:09 And she's pissed. Sherry, the new one. She's fucking pissed. And she comments, quote, my name is Sherry Stewart, Sammy's wife,
Starting point is 02:25:16 widow, if you must, in parentheses. I am appalled with what I just read. And I'm wondering what your source was to say. Tragic story of Sammy Stewart and his death from addiction. I don't know. 55,000 pages of police records.
Starting point is 02:25:29 That's a source. And an entire paragraph telling the world how you thought he spent his last days. I'll tell you where his appetite had taken him. The Bible. That's where it took him. And taking care of himself. He died from heart disease. There were no drugs in his system.
Starting point is 02:25:45 Just thought you should know the truth. Sincerely, his grieving wife. So they commented. Jesus killed him. They commented. Yeah. He was fine. He did tons of coke and did fine with it.
Starting point is 02:25:56 Jesus comes dead. Dead. Jesus kills everybody. So this Bill McCurdy answers back. That's awesome. Dear Sherry, please know that it was never my intention to say how Sammy died beyond what I knew at the time that he died at home. I said simply included all those other possibilities of sad endings that could have befallen him had he continued under the direct influence of drugs. I know about these things from a half century of working with addicts as a counselor.
Starting point is 02:26:24 century of working with addicts as a counselor few that do drugs heavily over a time with no period of sobriety somewhere uh get clean get to die clean and sober at home with someone they love by their side sammy was blessed in that regard i've chosen to simplify and clarify the point in the body of the original story with the rest of quote the truth about sammy's death that you brought to our attention by your comment sammy stewart was a good man with exceptional baseball talent he was also a fortunate man to have gone through all of the two of you went through together and still had you there with him to the end. You'll be in my prayers to go through this grief work that now hurts so bad and keep the love that is even stronger than the hurt you feel now somewhere down the road.
Starting point is 02:26:58 Hope you are getting help with that, too, for your own sake. You matter, too. Also, Sherry, you and I are the only two that have read this. Fucking relax. And then give this a couple of years. We'll get one more read. And then James will read it, too, because he's a fucking idiot and digs for comments in these goddamn articles.
Starting point is 02:27:13 Because you never know. Every once in a while, I look at every one of them, and one out of 100, I get a gem like that. That's a good one. Where it's like something, hey, fuck you. Can't get enough of Sammy Stewart? Oh, boy. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 02:27:23 The police can. Yeah. Amazon.com. Sammy Stewart signed. It's like a baseball card size, maybe a little bigger picture of him there. $71.84 autographed. Wow. $9.95 shipping and handling.
Starting point is 02:27:38 Complex.com has him on the list of top 20 sports unibrows of all time. He's number 17. Not too shabby. It's true. Found him on there. That is the thing. It's good stuff. And historyforsale.com has a signed Sammy Stewart card.
Starting point is 02:28:00 It's a 1981 Fleer card with him on the Orioles. Signed Sammy Stewart, obviously. And that is $76.50. There must not be a lot of those. I don't think there's a whole lot floating around, probably. He wasn't out signing autographs for 20 years. He was fucking smoking crack. Well, that's Sammy Stewart.
Starting point is 02:28:19 Wow. That is a crazy 80s crack tale, is what that is. You said death defying. No, sir. No. Well, for a long time it was. And then eventually, obviously, you is. You said death defying. No, sir. No. Well, for a long time it was. And then eventually, obviously, you're going to die. It's going to catch you.
Starting point is 02:28:29 But that was insane. Wow. That's what I mean. It was a crazy story on the level of where we've been lately. The Mitch Blood Greens and all that sort of thing. And our next football player, I believe it'll be next week, will be Todd Marinovich. So buckle up for that shit. We're going to have, I'm telling you guys, golden time of Grime and Sports.
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Starting point is 02:30:25 that have helped us out this week this week's executive producers are candace canady mary b and lisa coltrane who's having her 40th birthday happy birthday lisa thank you for her birthday she would like everyone to go to be the match.com and see if you can't uh i don't know it's a fucking the place where for uh organ donation oh oh yeah yeah she's a big believer in that cool well happy birthday lisa she's the one that's in she gave us that picture right there oh awesome yeah in baltimore it was really cool thank you so much yeah uh so thank you very much uh the producers this week are brendan ables krista walker uh amy uh amy amy amy grace uh shit amy grace shit that's a weird name amy grace eccles? That's a weird name.
Starting point is 02:31:05 Amy Grace Eccles. Oh, that's a better name. Ashley Veo, Sarah Hornberger, Gage Foster, and Leah Bauer. James Lombardo, Janice Hill, Nicole Bortz, Thomas Smith, Brie Ryan up there in Montana. I agree, yeah. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always mix up those three states.
Starting point is 02:31:22 I know what you want to say. North and south and then Montana. Throw Idaho in and you're a mess. Yeah, it's a fucking mess. Reba Warburger. No, Warburg. There you go. Jesse Hartman.
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Starting point is 02:31:42 Gage Simmons. Annabelle's House. I'm not sure what that is. It's spelled like the German house, so whatever that means. I don't know. Kayla Ginn Boatwright. No, yeah, Ginn. Yeah, yeah, like Ted Ginn.
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Starting point is 02:33:42 I don't know. It's Crystal with an E. All right. Or Cristali, or Cristal, I don't know. It's Crystal with an E. Randy Thompson, Rachel Stora, Becca B., Trevor Gordon, Kyle Blythe, David Renazzi, John Masterson John? No, John Master John, that's what it is. Ooh. And Steph Master John. Cool.
Starting point is 02:33:59 That's a fascinating last name. Yeah, it is. It's pretty, you could, whatever. He was made fun of, I'm sure of it. Katie with no last name. Yeah, it is. It's pretty. Whatever. He was made fun of, I'm sure of it. Katie with no last name. Mandy Miller. And she heard of us on a first date. And the date went shitty.
Starting point is 02:34:12 And she still kept listening. You know what? Good. That means she got something out of it. We win. Suck it. Jackanoff. Yeah.
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Starting point is 02:34:43 Thank you. You guys are amazing. Yeah. You keep the lights on. Not only that, you just keep us we we really bottom of our hearts appreciate it thank you you guys are amazing yeah you keep the lights on and not only that you just keep us uh thank you you keep us sane because this is a roller coaster yeah and we know we ride through and it's uh it's really really rewarding and it makes it feel good that you guys care enough helps to know that you give a shit yeah that means a lot to us more than you'd know honestly more than you'd believe it means to us it actually does mean to us and uh there's nobody that says we can't do this without you and they fucking mean it that's what i'm finding out some articles no it's true fucking me we actually do mean it and what if people wanted to tell you how
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