Crime in Sports - #159 - Kidney Gummies & Dirty Syringes - The of Roboticness Todd Marinovich

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

This week, we answer the question of whether you can breed, and build the perfect athlete. The answer is a resounding "no". Trained from birth to be the perfect football player, he followed this path of success, until he was overwhelmed by it all. What follows is a sad tale of drugs, arrests, more drugs, and being found naked in a place he doesn't belong, even if he had clothes on. It's a crazy adventure, the entire way. What a weird one!! Suck on a kidney in your crib, be trained by experts in every field, and still end up as a skateboarding heroin addict with Todd Marinovich!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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do for us is insanely appreciated and uh you know what man let's dive great let's dive in let's get in quick this week because it's a lot it's a lot to unpack and uh you know we don't want to be here all night so let's do this this with Todd Marinovich. Oh. You know Todd Marinovich, don't you? I know who he is. I just don't know. I know you're not hanging out with him.

No, but I'm aware of him. You're aware. It's hard not to be aware of him if you just, I don't know, looked at the news or something for the last 30 years or so, because this guy's been kind of in the news, not for good things, mostly, for the last 30 years so it's really been he is one of the weirdest stories this is kind of like an arch list arch leaster kind of you know mixed with a couple other guys it's a it's a weird weird kind of kind of ryan leaf arch leaster together with the dad thing with chlyster it sounds scummy as fuck it's super weird and uh

he's just a we play idiot or asshole and the It's super weird and he's just a, we play idiot or asshole and the guy's such an idiot he's an asshole. You're like, stop being an asshole, you idiot! It's one of those things. It's all self-destructive. He doesn't hurt anybody else really but he's just a dummy. So let's talk about him. Todd Marvin

Marinovich. He was originally Marvin Scott, which is his father's name so he was a junior oh he hated it he was born and named a junior and then his mother changed him okay his mother uh his mother changed it uh to todd marvin by then it's too late but this was when he was still like a baby it was in the first couple weeks but he's cursed you cursed him at one point the illegal document had the word junior on it you're done it's over he was fucked right there right from birth this is

the proof right here that you can't stop it yeah it's coming is it it's nature or nurture or is it what you named him at birth and they don't even know about it doesn't matter it's still there the nurture and nature of a name you can't stop it it happens well he's born born on the 4th of july no kidding 4th of july 1969 oh so uh july 4th 69 he is born now before we talk anything about him we have to talk about his father yeah because that is everything is tied into his dad of course everything it all comes back if you well if you know anything about the marinovich story he as we'll find out just a brief overview he was raised as a basically a pawn basically they took a a lump of child mold it's just a lump of child clay and they said we'll make a football player out of that whether

they like it or not so it's a really really weird story of but that to the extreme did his dad have aspirations of football stuff too not just aspirations we'll talk about his dad his dad's marv marinovich uh he is uh he's born in 1939 he went to usc where he played both ways and on on the early 60s usc football team alignment on defense and offense uh for a national championship team so he God. So he's a USC hero. He was voted most inspirational player in their championship year. I would fucking say so.

He's a psychopath on the field. This guy's a monster, just a drooling, crazy person. He's never off the field unless it's a special teams play. That's the thing. It's crazy. He's all effort,

and he's all conditioning. Later on, he'll be a strength and conditioning coach. And even here, he ends up, he's drafted by the Los Angeles Rams in the 12th round of the 1962 draft. So he's drafted into the NFL. He's also drafted by the

Oakland Raiders of the AFL in the 28th round of the 62 draft. He doesn't actually play in a pro game until 1965. What happened? Injuries. He's so injured. He works out so hard which is back then too they didn't working out weight training was still seen as kind of like uh i don't know not all the guys did it it was one of those things like maybe your offensive linemen but

they still were like i'm not gonna be able to be you know quick anymore but like you'd never see a running back in the weight room like good god i'm gonna lose all my speed and quickness at all back then so it was a that's kind of early 60s is when it started got it because especially the rams are famous for giving everybody steroids in 1961 62 right around this time so i'm assuming you could have used them oh i'm assuming he was in that especially if he was in the strength and conditioning and back then they were just like here's something that'll make you stronger. Fuck yeah, they'd jam it right in their arms. They didn't know what the hell they were doing.

So I feel like that's a possibility. But he ended up just really blowing himself out, hurting himself, working out too hard. He ends up playing at the age of 26 in 1965. He plays one game for Oakland. Really? He plays in one game for Oakland. So that's it. That's his whole pro career ouch one game and this is before a little junior's born oh well yeah this is yeah four years before todd was born and he's like he's gonna do what i couldn't yeah well right away he becomes

kind of a strength and conditioning kind of almost a little guru around to these teams different teams hire him because he's got back then it was like i said it wasn't really strength training wasn't the same but working out wasn't the same so if you had like a plan that actually had some stuff behind it that looked like it could work people be like oh my god he's a genius so it was one of those one of those deals here uh he uh he ends up working for uh the raiders marv does does, as a strength and conditioning coach, among a bunch of other teams, too. He kind of travels around. His mom, her name is Trudy, she held several swimming records in high school in the Butterfly. Really?

So she's an athlete also, which you see a lot in these athletes, mother and father being athletes. She's a Delta Gamma sorority sister at usc so yeah this is southern california big man on the football team and a dirty girl dirty sorority girl here and she quit college after her sophomore year to marry oh to marry uh well to marry i believe somebody else we'll talk about uh but ended with Marv. What a sorority girl. Yeah, well, that's how it works there. Trudy's father was the chief of police in Huntington Park in California. He was the redhead.

That's where Todd got this. Todd Marinovich has carrot top level red hair. I mean, it's a serious issue. It's not a little red. It's fucking insane. It's so red. It's not a little red. It's fucking insane. It's so red. And he's fire. He's six four.

So, I mean, being a tall guy, I know I'm six four. So you stand out anyway. And if you have bright red hair, you're like, holy shit. You're walking through an airport. You just see a bright red head coming at you from a big carrot top Q tip coming from the end of the terminal there. It's scary. So, yeah, that's that's the the the the perpetrator of the red hair on poor Todd. So, yeah, so Trudy was a student at USC, and her brother, Craig Fertig, was the quarterback for USC, which is interesting.

So that's how she got to know. That's how she meets everybody. That's how she meets him, yeah. Craig was pretty good here. He died in 2008, though, so screw him. Oh, no. Poor Craig's dead. But the old lineman was banging his quarterback's fucking sister.

That's crazy. That's right. Hey, let's get your sister. If you want anybody, you've got to trust your offensive lineman. That's who you trust the most. So if you're going to let anybody go out with your sister, it's going to be the guy who blocks your blind side. It's like, hey, I turn my back to huge guys that want to kill me and i trust this guy to keep him away from me so fuck it he'll

do it for my sister too shit if i can't trust him doing that then what can i try i trust him with my sister more than that you know that's her problem yeah at least it's not the this is my spine we're talking about from the other side it's not like you see you see berkeley's quarterbacks banging your sister yeah it's better this way exactly uh so uh trudy met marv at a rugby tournament he was uh the captain of the football team and all that uh apparently there was a kind of love at first sight they uh his family owned a big cattle farm cattle ranch it's not a farm it's a ranch with cattle 3 000 acre cattle ranch in california that's a big one yeah uh marv though marv is an intense guy intense is not the it's i don't even know if that covers it it's it's seriously intense he was thrown out of a bowl game for fighting really he's that intense he got himself that jacked up that he couldn't control

himself enough to stay in a bowl game which is kind of of important. You're important to both sides of the ball. And this is the biggest game of the year. And you'll get thrown out for fighting. You'll get thrown out for fighting. Working out. He worked out with such zealotry that he hurt himself and couldn't play anymore. Like, he's that kind of dude. But he's very obsessive.

But he, again, he's very into the strength and conditioning. While he is hired as the Raiders strength and conditioning coach, that's when Trudy becomes pregnant with Todd. Got it. I don't think Marv carried it. I don't think they passed it back and forth. Hit it in for a coin. You're getting it today?

Okay, good. I'll get it tomorrow. Good deal. So he says that he spent – Marv said that he thought everybody was training wrong and eating wrong and all this he saw all these mistakes being made uh so he said now he had an opportunity with todd who turns out to be todd with his baby to start from scratch and do everything right start anew start anew so he he uh monitored everything that trudy drank and ate during her pregnancy it all had to be perfectly healthy uh you know obvious stuff that this is in the late

60s but no smoking no drinking no salt no sugar which people do now generally anyway and it's considered whatever but in the 60s everybody's still smoking drinking they were pregnant it wasn't a big deal some red flags in the 60s. Yeah, that's weird. She won't have a cigarette? Come on. I mean, you must be nervous from being pregnant. How are you going to relax without a drink and a smoke? I don't get it. What if you lose that?

You've got to worry about that, don't you? Don't you think about that every day? Why don't you have a drink? Ridiculous, man. Come on. There, let me pour you a shot. Let's get shit-faced. Let's go. You could fall down at any minute and lose that baby have a drink the kid's not going to come out fun that's going to be the problem it's not going to be fun at all unless you really party in there so uh marv once todd

was born uh he would stretch todd's hamstrings when he was a month old wow like they do conditioning coaches do he was doing this from the time he was a month old. Wow. Like they do, conditioning coaches do. He was doing this from the time he was a month old. Pressing his leg up to his shoulder. Stretching him out, do all of that. At a month old, he had him teething on, or not a month after that, had him teething on frozen kidney. Protein, I guess. Gross?

Not like in a bag, just like sucking on it? Sucking on it. Yeah. What kind of kidney? Like a dog kidney? I assume a cow kidney. That's a big kidney. Because you can buy those in the grocery store.

Yeah. I don't know if you give them a hunk or you give them like a whole... It's like a football size thing. Here you go. Chew on that for a while. That doesn't seem sanitary at all. No. So I feel like that needs to be cooked to a certain temperature.

I don't know. You're not supposed to put meat in a kid's mouth. You know what I mean? You don't give him chicken. Well, not raw. Any of it. Until later. Until later, yeah.

He's teething. He doesn't even have teeth. He's just gnawing on it, trying to get the protein out, which sounds disgusting. Had him trying to lift medicine balls before he could walk. He had him throwing with both hands

had him kicking with both feet uh it was training him doing like light weight lifting and pull-ups and sit-ups and you know push-ups and all that sort of thing making an amphibious yeah he's he's gonna be amphibious uh on his fourth birthday four todd ran four miles down the beach in 32 minutes. Wow. Which is an eight-minute mile, which isn't bad for an adult. Yeah. It's pretty good for a four-year-old. Super impressive for a four-year-old.

That's pretty fucking impressive. They're taking half the step as me. That's what I mean. So it's twice as much running for a four-year-old. That's moving. That's crazy. That's so moving. And not only that that it's also

dangerous yeah yeah go run down the i assume marv ran with him the whole time he would hope so i would think he's a strength and conditioning coach uh they monitored what he ate and did to marv did anyway to not only an excessive but a really just ridiculous and extreme like journals and shit uh when he went to well we'll put it this way there's a great example from a lot of these articles there was an si article uh by michael rosenberg i think that had a lot of this uh kind of detailed background in it and a couple other things too he's been covered a lot and at all at different times though sure i feel like nobody's really put it all together from the beginning to the end to now anyway that's what we're trying to do here so uh anyway when he would go to birthday parties as a

kid like for other kids they'd make him take his own cake sugar-free all that shit cake that he would have to eat and uh you know all that stuff so in the ice cream kidney ice cream kidney chunks to chew on like a like gum on a piece of gum no no i got this i'm gonna chew on this no no i've got my own i've got kidney shaped and bears they're they're not bears they're shaped well they're diced because my mother caught them but it's originally shaped like a kidney you know what that looks like yeah that's what it was so big bean there's that gross you can you can have some if you'd like. He had a homemade ketchup to cut the sugar out of it, prepared with honey. Only like the organic non-hormone beef and all that shit.

This is in the early 70s. This shit didn't exist. Way above the curve. Now people are like, yeah, kids feed their people are pretentious assholes feed their kids that shit all the time not back then they didn't back then pretentious this is beyond this is insane like there'd be one store in town in la that would sell this shit back then like this wasn't a normal thing just dickhead uh patient zero yeah this was like you know uh if uh when mick jagger came back from fucking Tibet, he probably ate stupid shit like this or something.

That's it. So there's very few people. So Marv would put him on a balance beam at a young age, all this type of shit. He said that there was a football in Todd's crib from day one. Now, what Marv said here is pretty amusing. Keep this in mind, what he says here about the football, and then later on, keep remembering this line that he says.

Quote, not a real NFL ball. That would be sick. It's just a stuffed ball. That would be sick. That's sick. You put kidneys in his fucking mouth. That's where he draws the line. That'd be sick.

I didn't do that. That's a stuffed ball. I'm not crazy he's how is he supposed to have an nfl football and a full kidney in there at the same time they don't fit stupid jesus duh i don't want to get confused which one to put in his mouth yeah you know what i mean the thing jesus christ they're about the same size right probably close pretty close kidneys probably a little smaller is it i guess football's rounder yeah it depends on if it's deflated who knows uh cart no cartoons for little todd no no uh old movies they let him watch and shit like that nothing uh no cartoons they were too mindless yeah so they're trying to you know body mind they're doing like it's like a weird it's basically blast from the past except

except this this is in the real world right that's the weird part like blast from the past with brendan frazier and all that you could do that because they lived in a fucking bunker and they don't have any other access to anything this kid lives in la like this is his access san diego this is difficult yeah he has access to anything he wants so it's very difficult i don't know what's what's gonna happen obviously but the anything short of serial killer omar should just be happy because this is crazy because this is insane that's what i mean it's horrible you're i promise you this at a lot of times during this episode you're gonna go jesus fucking christ todd you dumb shit and then at other times you're just gonna go god damn it todd you poor you poor bastard you just poor son of a bitch uh so uh i

mean i guess it's that's what i mean we've had this discussion a million times before is it better to be insane with your kid and be a fucking lunatic and drive them into whatever or leave and never come out like that's we've it happens both ways so you know we who knows whether you've never met your dad or your dad who's up your ass from the moment you were born with everything you're doing feeding you a fucking kidney i mean i guess at least he gives a shit and some people's parents don't give a shit at all uh the mother mom drug him along all the museums and everything like that uh eventually once you know todd got a little bit older you know five six marvin realized he wasn't an expert on everything so he started to uh gather

experts together yeah for a five-year-old to figure out you know all the different uh uh speed agility strength less flexibility quick quickness, body control, endurance, nutrition. Everything a three-year-old should have. Obviously. I mean, it's sad. Some of these seven-year-olds now, they're flabby, Jimmy. They're not in shape. Their cardio's poor.

I don't know what they're benching, but it's not shit. I can tell. It's really pathetic. They're squatting, Jimmy. Pitiful. Just pitiful squats on these kids. They can't do shit. So, you know, it's sad here. You should see how they run're squatting, Jimmy. Pitiful. Just pitiful squats on these kids. They can't do shit. So, you know, it's sad here.

You should see how they run the cone drill, too. It's lousy. Just lousy. So he's like tripping. He's got him set up for like an NFL combine run at seven. Here's how you run the shuttle. No, this is not what's happening. So he found he even found an expert to help improve Todd's peripheral vision.

How do you do that? That's inside. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's a lot like... Is it a surgery? No, it's probably a training exercise. Kind of like you can train your eyes to see certain things. Yeah, like Edgar Martinez, the baseball player, he used to have a pitching machine pitch

him golf balls and he would put a little tiny dot on the golf ball with a marker so it would so he could see the spin of it and see what it was so if he could see the spin of a dot on a golf ball seams on a baseball it looked huge to him and that's he said that helped him it it just trained your eyes to look for something small like that and then you see that way you're focusing straight ahead on the thing this is the who knows what the fuck it's the 70s too who knows i mean people were i mean they were hari krishnas in the 70s like who the hell knows what was going on with these people they were voting for nixon and jimmy carter in the same decade. Like, what the hell was in a what was it? A four year period from 72 to 76.

They went from fucking Nixon to Carter. Like, but Nixon did that. Yeah. And Carter got elected. It's just it's just funny. Like that's they had no idea what they were doing in the 70s whatsoever. There was no another opposite. Complete opposite. Then again, I guess we never mind. That in the 70s whatsoever. One thing to another, opposite. Complete polar opposites.

Complete opposite. Then again, I guess we, never mind. That's the way it goes. Yeah, it's all backlash. Everything's backlash. Everything's, fuck you, we're voting the other way. It's funny. I remember when Obama got elected.

This is not political. This is just a joke, but I remember when, but it's true. When Obama got elected, I was sitting there and I was watching the scene unfold. And he couldn't help, but it's a nice scene. There's young people crying and 90-year 90 year old black people crying who you know never would have thought they'd see the day of blah blah blah you see all that and you go holy shit this is amazing and i'm looking at this and i go wow they're gonna elect fucking rush limbaugh next time this is gonna be this is the backlash on this one's gonna be huge it's not gonna be good and they were like

no no rush you're a pussy and they got him out of the way. And wow. They multiplied him by Glenn Beck. Yeah. And then fucking stuck Sean Hannity up its ass and then attacked the city. That's not political. That's objectively funny. That's patently true. And true.

That's the other thing. So even if you love Trump, you're like, yeah, that's about right. that's the other thing so even if you love trump you're like yeah that's about right yeah but it sounds right yeah so anyway uh uh he uh he got uh at one time he had 13 people biochemists psychologists everything to make sure his head was straight yeah basically he's the way they put it is he used eastern block methods like the way the russians have you seen rocky four anybody out there has seen rocky four when ivan drago's in Basically, the way they put it is he used Eastern Bloc methods, like the way the Russians. Have you seen Rocky IV? Anybody out there seen Rocky IV? When Ivan Drago's in a giant room with machines and computers and exercise things with sticky things hooked up to him and they're checking his vitals and all that.

That's what he had him doing. Shit like that, where they're feeding him certain things. And there's a bunch of people in lab coats taking notes as they watch him run on a treadmill for some reason rocky's chasing chickens oh he's running up a hill with a fucking log on his back fully bearded doing uh you know hang down pull-ups or uh sit-ups yeah off the fucking monkey bars off the loft of a barn this guy's like yeah totally different ridiculous uh there's an article in SI in the late 80s that is a very famous article where they talk about him the most. And that's where they nickname him Robo QB. Because he's, you know, the picture, the photo is like him in a football uniform. He's like a teenage, redheaded, goofy looking kid.

And behind him is like machines and dudes in lab coats and shit and that's like a setup shot but that's what they were trying to to get across and in this they really play up the you know fact in the article it says that he's never eaten a big mac or had an oreo or anything like that he's never had any of that stuff uh but he did say that like that was not really true like he get his mother would sneak him shit once in a while when he'd go hang out with his grandfather chief there the chief of police the redheaded guy later on as a teenager chief would give him beer and give him give him a yeah give him literally give him like whatever shit shit food try this coffee it's amazing give him like uh you know uh

bratwurst and shit like that that he wasn't allowed to have just you know what was he gonna do how is this gonna hurt a kid right you know so grandpa's spo and shit like that that he wasn't allowed to have. Just, you know, what was he going to do? How is this going to hurt a kid? Right. That's grandpa spoiling the fuck out of that kid, though. Yeah, that's spoiling him. Here's normal food. Spoiling him with a donut. This is processed dairy.

What do you think of that? Pretty exciting, huh? Try this cheap cheese. Isn't it amazing? Oh, it's sick, right? Jesus Christ. It's a little better than a kidney, isn't it? It's going to be the best.

No, then after a while, he's like, you got any kidneys here he's like todd you don't have you don't have to eat kidneys anymore jesus christ not in my house god not time todd you can have whatever you want here uh todd talks about when he was a little kid uh his dad was a trainer for the hawaiians which was a world football league team I am obsessed with the World Football League, by the way. What a terrible name. It's amazing. It's the weirdest. Like, the Hawaiians? They're from Hawaii.

I assumed it was not the Dallas Hawaiians. It would be really weird if I was going to say the Albuquerque Hawaiians. So either way, it's fine. We're thinking the same thing. But, like, okay, I love the USFL, which we've talked about a lot that lasted for three years and it was i love that this it was good shit but uh that i was a little kid but i remember it very clearly and watching it a lot world football leagues way

before my time it was mid 70s for two years while a year and some change and uh but fuck is it's the weirdest it's the weirdest league they They had nothing going for them. They had guys playing and playing forever. It was like it was the weirdest shit. And I don't know something about it. That's so interesting. Like there's not a lot of footage left from it. There's not a lot of like information about it.

There's a couple books. I'm like you had to be there to know. Yeah, there's like well, there's like a lot. There's only a couple books about it. It's not as it's just not as well known and it's the craziest thing like some nfl players signed with this weird league and like it's just a fucking trip that they had teams in strange places that like folded in like three games and then moved to another city and played four games and then moved somewhere else and i like that it's fucking weird yeah like the new york team

new york stars i think they played like three games and moved to Charlotte and then they ended up somewhere else under a different name and teams were moving around. So much fun. Anyway, his dad was a strength and conditioning coach there and he said that he would see all these big guys that were playing football when he was five and six and he said, I wanted to do what those guys were doing.

They were playing a game I wanted to play. He said it lit a fire in me. So he had a passion for football as a kid. He really did. That's the other thing. I don't know if he had a passion for all this other shit, but he really liked football. In seventh grade, he set a goal to be a starter on the varsity team as a freshman in high school, which they didn't do at all. Well, you're not going to be starting quarterback as a freshman on the varsity team as a freshman in high school yeah which they didn't do at all well you're not going to be starting quarterback as a freshman on the varsity team uh he uh you know he said he

would do christ he says his father had a progress chart for different physical things and put it up in the garage uh todd said quote it was brutal sometimes i didn't want to do anything to do with it he'd give me the look like well fine but you're gonna get your ass kicked when you start to play uh so and then he's got a point that's the thing it worked on the field yeah you can't you can't argue with his success on the field before other factors took took hold athletes will tell you that the game is not won on the field the game is won in the gym it's a prep thing especially if you're a quarterback it's all prep because you're ready to have your mental shit you'll beat everybody yeah um so his sister trudy uh which is uh or i'm sorry his mom trudy yeah sister uh his mom trudy here says that uh his sister's name is tracy that's why that's confusing so uh she said quote i don't think

any of the kids were ever jealous of todd because they asked her were the other kids in the family jealous of todd the attention todd was given uh he said because they knew uh she said because they knew that when they left for that field or quarter gym todd was still going to be there for many many hours uh so it was uh one of those things like they weren't jealous because it was attention but they were also like jesus glad i don't have to do that i can go home and eat mcdonald's this kid, on the other hand. So apparently, whenever Marv was in between jobs, Trudy would work as a waitress or whatever to make ends meet. Because strength and conditioning guys don't make a lot of money, especially not back then.

The fucking players didn't make a lot of money back then. The first time I had heard about a strength and conditioning was the guy that was for the Suns, that weird looking guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy that looked like... Yeah, from the 90s. Yeah yeah it looked like uh yeah from the 90s yeah he looked like captain blue yeah yeah yeah he looked like the creepiest looking fucking rubber bands in his face and i think they they uh announced his salary because he was on tv all the time and he became like a person and he was making like 65 grand a year which is not any fucking money no especially when you have to travel around and all that shit it's gonna go fast yeah that's rough uh but this she said she would take him like i said to mcdonald's chief would give him some pizza here her father and uh they said the sister said

that she would hear todd a couple times crying in his room but nobody would say anything because they didn't want to argue with marv they were like like, let's just let Marv. That's his problem. That's Marv's problem here. He said about the sister says about the father, quote, he didn't do reality too well. So he just had this weird like it should be like this. Todd attended a Christian junior high school and a Catholic high school also. But then he ended up playing later on. He wasn't religious or anything.

When did they change his name? When he was a baby like within a two weeks i'm almost like this is dumb yeah let's change his name here uh he set local and national high school passing records uh at capistrano valley high school in mission viejo san diego there yeah very nice area uh he uh he gets i guess there's a there's a february 10th is a national letter of intent day that's the first day that colleges are you know allowed to sign football prospects from high school and uh he had uh uh 100 at that point there's 104 division 1a schools and uh he had 100 of them that were trying to only one didn't two four right four just probably were like we're not getting him that's amazing fuck it uh yes so it was it was insane like he was he was just all over this shit imagine having and they bombard you

yeah letters and phone calls and it's it's that's stressful for a kid to have a hundred of those things he's the hot girl. It's too hot. He's going to go. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. He can't even deal with it at all. He's going to go put something baggy on. Yeah.

He's going to fucking walk around and put a hat on and pull the brim down real low. Tape down his titties. Yeah. I can't do this anymore. Dressing like a lesbian. Good Lord. Like a real, like a hardcore. Yeah.

Too. Lots of baggy flannel yeah that's what i mean the outfit is yeah the outfit is going to be very very uh like a brick wall right in clothing form basically the clothing version of a punch in the face and a kick in the balls jesus christ uh maria todd at this point he said quote this is the biggest decision of my life it means not only where i will play football but most likely who i will marry who my best friends for life will be and where i will live it means everything and the one thing i know for sure is i'm too young to make this kind of decision by myself uh yeah he even had at this point before

he goes to college uh tom house who was a pitching coach for the Rangers, had analyzed on a computer program Todd's arm angle and his throwing and found that his balance while throwing was perfect, like computer-wise, perfect, but his arm is 4.53 inches too low throughout his delivery which is gonna you can't have that you got like philip rivers he's got to be high yeah he's gonna get a lot nice like bernie kozar he's gonna get knocked down by the offensive line that was extreme picked off seven times the game goddamn sidearm three quarters bullshit uh but this is uh very little that's four and a half inches and so he says that uh todd has to work on it so todd was working on

that for college uh his father at this point had developed this whole thing and kind of into like a high-tech gym uh just all about raising todd uh so much so that uh that uh during high school the marinovich's break up oh trudy and marv over this whole thing over the four and a half inches thing not oh yeah he's got to raise his fucking arm angle she's like it's fine i don't tell me about his arm and now over everything over him being i'll take half of everything over this four and a half this is bullshit can you imagine half of nothing they have shit she works as a waitress when he's not employed. So can you imagine, though?

It's too much after a while. It's got to be exhausting. Oh, my God. You can't just do anything normal. A friend of his said, quote, all Marv has done is give up his entire life for Todd. So his whole life was focused on that. Marv and Todd. Todd moves in with Marv, till the you know for the end of

high school they live in a one-bedroom apartment hell yeah todd sleeps in the bed marv sleeps on the couch pussy pad yeah that's all there is to well that's what he said too really he said this was the time uh when everything because it was uh this was the time when everything kind of was a little bit looser because the whole environment was looser. And he said dad was dating. I was in high school, so I was hanging out with girls and dad was going out. So I had a little more freedom and I could sneak a fucking hamburger in there now and then. Now, Marv says, quote, I think I'm a tyrant, but I think you have to be to succeed.

The best thing about my relationship, the best thing about it is my relationship with my son. We wanted to have the healthiest possible mom and the healthiest possible child. It's fanatical, but I don't know if you can be a great success without being a fanatic. I suppose it was a little overdone. That's what he says. I suppose maybe the kidney was a little much. Went a little too far. Maybe I went too far with the kidney.

The hamstring stretch and the medicine balls are fine, but the kidney maybe? I could have traded that gum in a kidney. That's fucking crazy. Much, a little much. Now, Todd said at the time we're going to and even later on, he says that no one could be forced into that kind of life. Basically, there's too much to do to you have to be doing it voluntarily. Pretty much. He says that, quote, there's no way somebody could be made to do all that stuff. I chose to do to uh you have to be doing it voluntarily pretty much he says that quote there's no way

somebody could be made to do all that stuff i chose to do it well i mean he was told this was the best thing to do from birth so dad was heavily encouraging this yeah well let's talk about how crazy was marv yeah let's talk about this because i'm sure everyone out there is going exactly who is this fucking guy if you don't know when crystal pe Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault, or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia. But that's okay. I am here for you. I'm Darcy Carden, and I'm inviting you to listen to my new podcast, WikiHole, from Smartless Media. Discover the craziest rabbit holes on Wikipedia with me and my funny friends as we bring the cyber frontier directly to your tympanic membrane. And if you listen to my podcast, you

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I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Let's talk about some incidents and some little anecdotes from the time here uh todd when he was in sixth grade he was playing one-on-one basketball against an 11th grader at a

community center and uh the older kid was kind of pushing him around a little bit and you know being physical with him under the boards like you do uh so marv was yelling quote you're not going to let you're not going to let him get away with it. And so the other kid said, get away with what? And so Marv ordered them to stop playing and fight. Stop it. Swear to God. He said, stop playing and fight each other. Enough of this bullshit.

You pussies. Put your game of pussy ball and fight each other, God damn it. Start punching in the mouth. I went both ways not in a gay way either you're fucking wise ass i heard that you're fucking bastard shithead son of a bitch all the kids are scared so uh stop stop playing and start fighting get we're all distracted zomarinovich got sucker punches for sure uh well todd said he wasn't even surprised.

Also, Marvin had him boxing because that's great for cardio and hand-eye coordination. So he had him boxing. So he liked basically Marv used to always make him box other kids. So he was like, Jesus Christ, now I've got to fight this kid. So Todd gets in a couple punches, and i guess the crowd starts washing watching and i guess somebody stepped in uh to break it up yeah i guess an adult stepped in to break it up that sir marv didn't believe in this at all what are you doing so marv told him you better back the fuck up yeah and the guy said quote smack the fuck up you get smacked the fuck up and the guy said quote what

are you gonna do about it oh boy don't say that old man yeah that was the end of it oh what are you gonna do about it old man and marv said well i'm gonna stomp your head into the fucking ground and that's exactly what he did he apparently beat the living shit out of this guy knocked a bunch of his teeth out uh yeah uh todd said he remembers seeing teeth fly a quote flying like a cartoon through the air how would you know? You've never seen them, you fuck. Well, he imagines what they would look like animated. Probably is how it looks in a cartoon.

This must be what a cartoon is as they're flying through the air. If only he knew. He says that he remembers hearing the sound of them falling on the ground, and then he remembers Marv grabbing him and them running to their car together and speeding away. Son, that was assault. Get in. Son, the cops are going to be here very soon.

You need to get in right now. What I just did, super illegal. That kid was 15 that I just beat the shit out of. I don't think this is okay. Jesus Christ. So Todd said the car rides were the worst because, number one, Marv would be lecturing him the whole time. And then if somebody cut them off, Marv would scream and yell. And then Todd was saying, oh, Jesus Christ, don't let this other guy pull over because then my dad's going to get out of the car and beat the living shit out of him.

So it was one of those things. Sir, you should have seen what he just did to a 15-year-old. Just don't challenge him. Get back in your car. That's the thing. Todd is just praying that no one challenges dad please because he's going to go into a fucking rage and he's a lunatic offensive lineman you know captain of a football team he's a maniac and he's strong as an ox and he's got no fear none he's crazy so he will take your teeth

he can't wait he's gonna animate your teeth that's so it's a new new euphemism for knocking i'm gonna animate your teeth motherfucker so you're gonna fly through the air like cartoons he's gonna dreamworks your mouth yeah so yeah he said that you know if somebody would pull over tom marv would beat the crap out of the guy or you know that sort of thing that's just the way he was i said he would uh marv beat people up all over the place he was always getting in fistfights all over the place i certainly believe that yeah this is not uh they said he beat up people at at todd's football basketball and baseball games so nowadays he'd be banned from every youth field in america but back then fathers could fight over shit, and it wasn't considered bad form.

It's competition, James. It's insane. At one point, Marv, this is amazing, Marv threw a female neighbor over a fence. No. Just said, you're going over there, and tossed her over a fence. I don't. Maybe that's where her house was, and he just was helping. Are you lost? I'll help you. Need to go over here why go around here well just go over it's easier it's a long walk there sister

wow uh uh one time marv picked up trudy his wife or at the time and threw her across the room onto the dining room table yeah so he gets he gets violent uh very much with violent he said that uh the worst todd said was he'd get back from games and practices and the father would be driving and todd would be sitting there and uh he said that marv would uh hit him in the face repeatedly open-handed he'd smack him all the time uh and then uh you know she said that trudy said the mother when she'd get in the driver's seat after a game the next day she could barely see through the windshield because it was there was so much dried spit on it for marv screaming that's the level of psycho he

was going and screaming and just swinging his open hand at his son in the passenger seat whacking him fucking meanwhile he's the best football player in southern california but he fucked something up so he's getting paintbrushed and the story coating the windshield with his fucking spit and paint brushing the passenger seat at the same time uh at one point later on finally uh todd calls his father quote a raging beast uh he said uh he never told his mother or his sister that his dad used to hit him. Uh, he said he would just look over everything and he would worry about, uh, he just worried about everything. He worried that his mom and his sister wouldn't want anything to do with him after they broke up because all of that shit.

Uh, he says, he says, quote, he said, this is what he said before he was even 10. He learned that he, in his mind, he said, quote, the only one who can fix this is me. I just have to play better. So that's where he's at right now. I'll make the whole house better if I have a good game. So if I don't, then everything's going to be crazy. He's going to hit me.

Mom's going to yell at him. They're all going to fucking fight. Everything's nuts. Even if you're having a great game, your dad's beating the shit out of people. But if I play, that's fine. But if I play perfect, then the house will be different. Okay. If I just play perfect. And every kid has had this, well, if I do this, or if I, perfect, then the house will be different. If I just play perfect.

And every kid has had this, well, if I do this or if I... It's a crazy thing that a kid has in a world you can't control. But in this case, it's very sad because it's performance-based. And he says that a lot in his life about it's a performance-based love. You got a lot of performance-based love. Based on that's like his dad, whether he played well or not. Fans, if he was playing well they loved him it's a lot of always be close not a lot of unconditional exactly not

a lot of unconditional here chart on the wall how many hugs he gets this week yeah no shit oh my god he says too he would like at school he would trade like his fruit for cheetos and shit like that with other kids he'd try to do shit but then when he'd be in articles and they'd ask him about it he'd be like oh yeah never had a big mac never had an oreo i don't know because he said quote i was in fear am i going to tell the truth to a writer and go home and deal with marv that's a fucking no-brainer said that's it man he said uh you know uh he said he just had to stick to the lie there was this big marketing lie and he was like great sure no problem that the debt he said he just had to stick to the lie there was this big marketing lie and he was like great sure no problem that the debt he said he didn't even realize the diet was going to be such

a big deal right so they asked me like yeah sure never had a big mac and then that's you know oh boy that's the little timmy and lunge yeah shut his fucking mouth the art of the the uh you know title of the article is robo qb and then in the second bold print it's like never had a big mac or an oreo and then there's the article so that's like the lead uh so uh in si uh he said the that was the 1988 was his you have to be a fanatic thing that uh that marv said also in 1988 poor tracy the sister a she's not getting any attention from her dad and b the attention she getting, not terrific. Let's talk about it. Tracy, the way she looked at it, Todd never had to do chores. She did. Todd switched high schools for a better football environment.

So the family moved closer to the new high school. So she had to have a two-hour bus commute to her old school. Todd never had a job. Tracy worked at diners and shit like that in high school, regular high school jobs. never had a job tracy worked at you know diners and shit like that as a in high school regular high school jobs uh todd had a football scholarship tracy has you know student loans yeah she said she paid 400 a month in student debt for this college education she had to get uh now that's bad enough yeah but it's worse when this shit comes up. Tracy gets married in 1988, I'm sure, just to get the fuck out of this place. Marv refused to give her away and almost didn't come to the wedding. Okay?

Why? Guess why. Because she's his. Well, no, no, no. One more guess. I'll give you another guess. He hates the dad. Okay, no.

Her fiance. I'm bad at family feud. I, no. Her fiance. I'm bad at family feud. I'm sorry. Her fiance was not athletic enough. Oh, for Christ's sake. He's got weak shoulders? What the fuck? Your shoulders are not developed enough, as Sally McNeil's husband told her, which got

him dead. Yeah. And deservedly so, because who the fuck is he to talk about her shoulders? But anyway, yeah, this is amazing. She said that, not athletic enough. I will not give you away to someone who's not athletic enough. What athletic enough has to do with this,

I have no idea. There's no game, there's no competition. She's like, he's a fucking doctor, he doesn't have to be. There's no marriage tournament they're going to enter in in a two-on-two basketball environment afterwards. There's no reason. Are we going to be on supermarket sweep, Dad?

Who gives a shit? What do you need us to be athletic for? I don't know if that's just fucking code for Jewish or what. I'm just joking, but I figure Marv wouldn't like that either. So, no, he said he's not athletic enough. Marv wouldn't even shake the man's hand. Wow. Wouldn't shake his new son-in-law's hand.

Unbelievable. Say congratulations, nothing. Nope, you're not an athlete. Rather than say, we should have said, well, fuck, I don't see you doing anything about it. Train me. Yeah. So, yeah. You got any kidney around here?

I'll munch on it right now. Freeze it up, motherfucker. So, Tracy said, quote, he's going to be a very sad old man. But yeah, so it's true later on, as we'll talk about. Like we said, in high school, Todd was off the charts. Threw for 4,400 yards and 34 touchdowns in his first two years of high school, freshman and sophomore year. He became the first freshman to start a varsity high school game in Orange County. Oh.

Period. First one. First one to start a varsity high school game in Orange County, a quarterback, which is pretty fucking amazing. So he reached his goal there. The first high school he went to was the alma mater of Matt Barkley and Matt Leinard, who are future USC quarterbacks. I didn't remember to play in the NFL. No, poorly.

But those trophies are shiny on the shelves, I'll tell you that much. They look great. He was, in his first two years there, he ends up, or actually altogether, he ends up breaking the all-time Orange County passing record and later the national high school record by passing for 9914 yards. Jesus. 24-77 in his senior year. So not bad. He's named Parade All-American National High School Coaches Association's

Offensive Player of the Year, the Dial Award for the National High School Scholar-Athlete of the Year, and also the Touchdown Club's National High School Player of the year the dial award for the national high school scholar athlete of the year and also the touchdown club's national high school player of the year how about that so it's unanimous he's everything he's the best guy in the country basically like so that's why 100 colleges want him to be their quarterback okay i assume the four that don't have like a sophomore who's amazing at quarterback they have like you. Or they just know that everybody else is going to get him. Yeah, or they're just weak. Why even buy a ticket?

This is stupid. They have just, yeah, real pessimist fucking recruiting guys. I don't know. They're not going to want us. So, yeah, he said, quote, I really looked forward to giving it all I had at the game on Friday night and then continuing through the weekend with the partying. It opened up a new social scene for me. Liquid courage.

I wasn't scared of people anymore. So that's how that works. Tenth grade, he said he also started smoking a little weed. He said by the time he was a junior, he said, quote, I was a full on loadie. So he was just fucking smoking weed and drinking and doing all that shit. He said probably the best part of my childhood was me and marv's relationship my junior and senior years after the divorce he really loosened up it was a bachelor pad we were both dating so yeah things

change a little bit uh also he said every day before school he'd meet up at a friend's house and do bong hits with people which is my routine and when i was a senior in high school too it was the uh well it was a blunt back then blunt and then we'd go to school from there and try to figure out second period what was going on so uh so they do that uh uh the guy a bunch of the guys were basketball players and shit like that uh todd is also an art he's very into art he's very good at art okay so uh he's into art this whole time too he's he's not a jock kind of a guy yeah that's the thing he's more of like a stoner surfer artist kind of cat like at heart so it's he doesn't fit in you know what i mean like it feels like in a certain way the whole reason to play football is for money but when you're an artist

you're like fuck money yeah it's a weird thing especially this capitalistic bullshit well yeah especially when you've done it your whole life and it's like whoa i just don't want to do that anymore i've been chewing on a kidney since the crib here uh he said quote pot just relaxed me i couldn't i could just function better in public i never played or practiced high it wasn't as hard on my body as drinking i thought man i found the secret i was in love which if he just stuck to that great fine great we'd be telling a whole different story we wouldn't be telling any story telling a different story uh during his senior year he was playing basketball and uh he said while he was playing a bunch of the uh a bunch of the uh uh kids in the student section of the school were chanting marijuanavich when he was at the free throw line bastard in a loving way

shut up fuckers my dad's here that's the problem in a loving way but he's like oh jesus christ what the fuck's marb gonna think uh he's marilyn monroe singing a jfk yeah hey what the fuck are you doing be looking at me like that get me in trouble me in trouble. You just stroked my dick. You ran your hand lightly across my dick. Do you understand you did that shit? My wife is right here. She is not going to be down with that. She is going to be furious.

He said, quote, I was supposed to be shooting free throws, but I was really glancing into the stands. I was trying to see if my father noticed. Hell yeah. And apparently he didn't. So he was choosing his main schools. He was choosing between where ASU, BYU, Washington, Miami, Stanford, and USC. So these are all big football powerhouses, especially then. Also in 1988, he is taken by the California Angels in the 43rd round of the 1988 baseball amateur draft.

He's got an arm. He's got a fucking cannon for an arm. What the hell? He played baseball in high school, too. Give it a shot too why not uh he doesn't sign with them obviously uh so he wants to go to stanford in his mind a little bit i think just to get away from his dad yeah but uh he picks california he picks usc it's both his parents alma mater i mean he's expected to go to usc uh you know it's one of those things so right away they're excited the assistant coach there says quote it's a little too early to talk about him getting us to a national championship

but i do know you can't get there without a superior quarterback and he's a superior quarterback uh and he said that quote i hope to be the best quarterback ever to come out of california they asked him better than elway and better than plunkett and he said yeah hell yeah so that's what everybody wants. Smell my breath. I still got kidney on it. Shit, man. Let's go. He's a lefty, too.

We got to bring that up. He's a left-handed thrower. Did I know that? I don't think I knew. Yeah, I did. Which is odd. So he's got this, he's red and freckly with a lefty release. It's just odd at quarterback.

You don't see a lot of left-handed quarterbacks. You have to be extremely talented for them to go. We'll just make everything backwards for you. of left-handed quarterbacks you have to be extremely talented for them to go let's we'll just make everything backwards for you because the whole offense has to be backwards uh as far as the calls and you basically all of these other guys half of a football team have to learn football backwards now they had to learn another position from the other side of the field because you throw silly so they're like why don't we just get a guy who throws normal and everyone can just stand there wide receiver turning left that usually turns right. That's not good.

Your left tackle is now your right tackle. So your left tackle doesn't know how to play right tackle because that's a completely different thing. Oh, the line, forget it. And your right tackle. I mean, the line's fucked up. All the plays are backwards, too. So it's doable, but you see Steve Young and guys like that and Michael Vick before he

was drowning dogs and shit like that. You end up taking it out on your dog. It's what it is. Just reverse the plays. Where are you, mother? So, yeah, he says, quote, actually, I want to be the best quarterback who ever threw the ball. And he says, I want to play for the Rose Bowl and national championships.

Okay. So that's it. But the problem is he's kind of an introvert he says he smokes weed to ease his social anxiety well that sounds familiar yeah uh he does that he says that when he left for ufc he thought finally you what i say ufc when he left for the ufc to go be pummeled by the way speaking of the ufc greg hardy just fought a fight for the ufc no kidding uh yeah uh i don't want to hear dana white shit ever again about people being bad about people being bad and blah blah blah and we're gonna take a tough stance and shut up you're not taking a

tough stand on anything i read an article i didn't watch the fight i read an article and they said repeatedly ufc ufc ufc so hopefully the person wasn't just an idiot and it was some like knockoff mma yeah brand but if it's ufc dude yeah fuck you got a long way to go dana and cleaning your shit up i heard what that guy did yeah you hire that guy and you want that guy around you then you're a complete piece of shit and you have no morals whatsoever bring in murderers when you fucking bring in oj and let him beat somebody up it doesn't matter at this point because you've lost any credit i mean he's a psychopath end up calling this crime in ufc that'd be amazing that'd be amazing forever it'll just keep going hey for the end till the end of the world uh in 89 here uh at usc marv he's a red shirt his

freshman year goes to classes but doesn't play at all. Rodney Peets, their quarterback that year. He was in the NFL forever, guys, with the Lions and a bunch of other people. Raiders for a while. Dolphins? I think so. Maybe, but I don't know. I can't remember. I think so. I think Dolphins.

Exposed. There you go. He's with the Royals, Jimmy. He was with the royals two years ago so marv goes to every practice which todd is not happy about uh as a freshman uh he earns the starting job at quarterback todd does which is pretty impressive here uh he said the more people paid attention the more it scared him he said he was just fearful of everything because he's fearful of his dad he's fearful of his dad, he's fearful of fucking up.

Now he's got more, he's got like a million, his dad's now looking at him, expecting big things from him. He said he just, he would kind of coast at the start of the games and then he would like, until he got a big,

until he got hit, he would, then he would kind of wake up and be like, oh shit, I'm in a game. Okay, get your shit together here. He said he would play his ass off hard and then he would party really hard after the game and then he said he would wake up the next morning and be you know full of anxiety again he's motley crew that's what it is he's just full of yeah exactly that whole description

he says quote i didn't have the tools i did not know how. He said he hated classes. He only knew how to do football, basically. He didn't know how to do anything. At one point in his freshman year, he didn't have a dorm because he just didn't fill out the paperwork for housing. So he just had nowhere to stay. I didn't know how to do that. They told him to do it, and he was just like, I just didn't do it because he just doesn't know how to do things other than eat kidney and play football. That's it. I just didn't do it because he doesn't know how to do things other than eat kidney and play football.

That's it. He said he had been coached more than anyone else on the team, but yet he was not really coachable. He wasn't good at that. Now, he starts out in spring as a backup, and then the starter has a broken leg. So he comes in and becomes the first freshman quarterback to start the first game of the season for UFC. UFC, again. USC since World War II. Wow. When the first stringer was in fucking Japan or was in the Pacific somewhere.

Unbelievable. Was fighting in the Philippines. So the first time. Bring up a world conflict as a time reference of how long it's been. That's a long time ago. Yeah. A world conflict as a time reference of how long it's been. That's a long time ago. Yeah. A world war as a reference is a lot. So, 89 with USC.

USC, I'll say that time. They go 9-2-1. They are ranked eighth in the AP poll that year. This was before the BCS and all that shit. They go to the Rose Bowl. Wow. Which, for USC, is a huge deal. That's what he said he wanted.

Rose Bowl versus Michigan, which is huge. That's a giant game, and they win 17-10. How about that? So amazing. With him at the helm. With him as the quarterback. This is the year they had like a Ricky Irvins. I don't know if you remember him running back for a while.

Guys like that. Mark Carrier, the Bears safety for a long time, who was mark carrier the uh the bear safety for for a long time who was a hard-hitting son of a bitch a lot of interceptions uh he played there uh todd played in 12 games uh 219 for 352 62.2 percent completion percentage not bad at all 2578 yards 16 touchdowns 13 picks which he's 18 years old, so he's going to throw a couple picks. It's going to happen. Decisions are, you know, you're going to make a bad decision.

He's four years older than you playing in that game. Not only that, plus in college, your receivers aren't that great also, so you can hit them in the hands and it tips off their hands, and that's an interception. Then it goes to the safety and it's over. Interceptions are a hard thing to rate. You really got to see how they happened to know. That 62% completion total is more important than anything else well i don't understand why they don't in

the days now of everything's analytics and everything's by computers and everything automatically goes into these stat machines stat machines stat programs i mean these old stat machines they put a they put a punch card in see and it comes out with your answer no they have these programs that everything is immediately put into stats. I don't know why there's not a stat. I know there is one somewhere, but why it's not a readily available stat as far as you have interceptions. And then you break it down to their fault, not their fault.

That's a great, yeah. You can tell. Sometimes the receiver ran a fucking wrong route. He was supposed to be there, and he wasn't. So that's not his fault. Also, like a tipped ball. You see him hit a guy right between the numbers and pop up in the air sometimes. That's a pick.

That's the quarterback's fault. Or off a lineman's hand. Yeah, that's the quarterback's fault. Well, if it's off the lineman's hand, he's still. You think so? Is that still the quarterback's fault? Yeah, that's because he should have not thrown it into a lineman's hand. Well, I guess.

But if he hits his receiver where he should and it goes off of him that's not his responsibility anymore that's the receiver's ball okay once it touches him in a position he should have caught it it's all yours that's all your error all yours that's what it should be just like a baseball error yeah that's what i mean wide receiver not for the quarterback exactly throw an e on the back of the fuck that's a good way to put it that's a good way to put it that's really good so uh against washington state he led a last minute comeback uh there it was uh 91 yards down the field uh elway style with 11 completions and a touchdown pass and a two-point conversion uh that was such a big deal that ronald reagan called him and invited him over to his house in la and then marinovich went over there and knocked on the door and reagan opened it and, who the fuck are you?

Yeah. So you invited me. He said, I have no idea what you're talking about. And slammed it in his face. I've never heard of you. I don't remember that. What's a telephone? What year is it?

What's my wife's name? Where is she? Hey, lady. Trug lady with the fucking commercials. Get in here. Who's this fucking guy? Who's this ginger fuck? Who's this redheaded fuck on my my step so they won the rose bowl reagan wants to hang out with him

and have a fucking powwow or at least he used to grace we're gonna say grace right here unbelievable that's grace uh he says i'm finally away from my dad telling me everything to do and i've got to and i got to say i have taken full advantage of it full advantage he keeps telling me come on you've got the rest of your life to fool around not now i know he's right but there's a lot of distractions at sc uh which yeah here in college in southern california and you're the star right jesus christ man if that doesn't produce distractions then there's no such thing as a distraction. I would say so. It's fucking amazing.

And at one point, though, in his freshman year, he was hanging out with his mother and he said, quote, I wish I could go somewhere else and be someone else. I don't want to be Todd Marinovich. He's feeling some pressure. So he's felt a lot of pressure. By 1990, everyone knows on campus that Todd uses. Todd smokes weed. Todd drinks. Todd parties. It's an open secret.

I mean, it's one of those things. Sure. Everyone knows shit. People in high school knew. Everyone knows. Now, his coach here, his coach for USC, Coach Smith, Coach Smith's daughter, Allie, is in high school, and she's having drug problems as well. is in high school and she's having drug problems as well so this coach is kind of stuck in a weird spot where he's got a daughter that's having the same problems his quarterback is having and he can't fucking do anything about any of it so so he's having problems there just keep that in mind

remember that for a while it comes up later i think i put that in there for nothing i'll tie that and that ribbon up at the end here not later yeah he said the partying partying at usc started on his recruiting trip it never ended well it's fucking better yeah he said the partying partying at usc started on his recruiting trip it never ended well it's fucking better yeah he said from the beginning to the end he said quote and it continued until my last game there it never really stopped drinking a lot smoking a lot of pot a little bit of cocaine just the beginning with that uh sprinkled in with a little hallucinogenics so you know jesus christ what a what a good time uh yeah but they were calling him in 1990 the most highly anticipated usc football player since oj simpson which is a great reference for

many reasons now it's amazing that was some early foreshadowing that was some foreshadowing and nobody knew and they also talk about his teammates that people would help him pass the drug test was he would cheat on these drug tests and we'll talk about exactly how he would do that he had a whole routine here uh 1990 the trojans go eight four and one so they're 20th in the ap bowl they go to the sun bowl which is not the rose bowl against michigan state which is not michigan and they lose 17, which is not a win. So 0-3 on the Bulls that year. That's Florida, isn't it?

I believe so. I think it's somewhere in Florida. Or somewhere in Texas, maybe. It's somewhere in the south. Yeah, somewhere in the south where it's sunny. It's not in Rochester, probably. And it's not good sunny. No, no.

It's sticky and gross. And you can't see. Yeah, you're always squinting. Where is there a tree anywhere? It's like Phoenix. It could be here. And you can't see. Yeah, you're always squinting. Where is there a tree anywhere? It's like Phoenix. It could be here. Maybe it's in Tucson. That would make it the most miserable of all.

He got more of a cramp in his shoulder from holding his hand above his eyes than throwing the ball. He's got crow's feet when he's done. He was suspended one week that year for cutting class, but he started 11 of 13 games that year. Plays in 13, starts 11. 196 for 322, 60.9%. Completion percentage, 13 touchdowns, 12 picks.

So still doing very well. Now, just after the season, they lose the Sun Bowl in early. That was a New Year's Day game, I believe. January 21st, he is walking around at 415 in the morning. God damn it. Walking down the street. Go home, Todd. Go home, Todd.

He's near his mother's house. Yeah. Walking with three friends. And cops, because they were being loud, they were drunk at 4 in the morning, stumbling through the streets. Cops stopped them. And as the cop was talking to the four men, he wrote in his report, quote, the subject, who was later identified as Todd Marinovich, was observed attempting to conceal something behind his back. Yeah. Not terrific. So all four men were searched and police found a bindle, not a homeless bindle, a cocaine

bindle in Marinovich's waistband that had about one gram of cocaine. None of the other men were carrying anything. Dummy. Are they famous? No. Fuck are you guys? You carry it. Who's the fucking most worthless person here?

Right. You're carrying the fucking coke because I can't get average. I'm the fucking quarterback. Dick. Sorry. It's going to be in my hand. Not going to be in the paper. If you get busted. I'm the fucking quarterback, dicks. Sorry. This doesn't go in my hand. Not going to be in the paper if you get busted. No.

Me, I'm fucking front page here. So, yeah, he ends up being arrested for the possession of cocaine. One count. It's a felony. Yeah. Spends seven hours in custody and is released on his own recognizance at 11 o'clock in the morning. And there's that.

He's booked and released there. His father, imagine this shit. Oh, boy. Wow. clock in the morning and uh there's that he's booked and released there uh his father imagine this shit uh wow his father said quote i'm numb when they asked him about it he said the problem with todd is he wants so badly to be liked by everybody he's always wants he always wants to blend in be one of the boys but he has to learn to stand up and say no no you go ahead that's not for me you started this dad yeah this. Yeah, this is, dude. He wants to blend in because he always stood out. He has to.

He has no choice but to blend in. He can't just go do where he's comfortable. He can't be where he's comfortable. I mean, he's born into red hair and 6'4". That's a problem. Yeah. He's going to stand out there. Right away.

Dad's forcing him into all this fucking crazy uh by his own definition fanatic lifestyle of just extremism and when it comes to health regimen everywhere he goes he stands out where his friends are like can't do anything what do you what do you got there i got cheetos what do you got i got fucking frozen grapes yeah i got kidney this is a fucking horrible life kidney gummy he just stands out everywhere so of course he's trying to blend in you know how is he not plus you can train him for everything but maybe inside he doesn't fit in with football players so he doesn't fit in like social just not in his brain then you have to it's weird you're square pegging around hole you know so uh his mother after the arrest said she was stunned

then she said this is awesome this is some mother shit here quote i can't tell you anything because he was arrested for possession we don't know at this time if someone planted it on him or anything i just don't want to get into what he was doing or who he was with way to go trudy not telling you shit yeah someone could have planted it on him for all i know so how the fuck am i gonna comment on it peace bitches and she walked out true mic drop i don't know nothing i was in the bedroom so uh february 2nd he uh basically that's gonna get him suspended from usc so he says fuck it i guess i'm in for the draft yeah so he's gonna drop out of school here and enter the nfl draft february 2nd 1991 he does that he says quote i'm really relieved it's a big weight

off my shoulders now i can just concentrate on preparing for a giant step it's definitely the ultimate challenge preparing for the nfl i don't expect it to be easy but i've worked hard my whole life and i expect to work even harder i'll play for anyone who believes in my future and my ability yeah so standard yeah that that's part of his training was a pr person taught him to say that when he was seven yeah that statement's been in his head for a long time and just replace whatever with nfl whatever just replace those words it's a form letter he knows how to say that's all it is taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans.

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helping his son at all i have 30 professionals that'll tell that'll back my claim baloney baloney so yeah he insists instead that todd is clean he says the rehab's bullshit this is all silly quote i had doctors put him through tests and they said they said he didn't have a problem which is amazing uh he says life isn't always a bed of roses but quality people bounce back this has been a wake-up call for todd and it will make him a better person okay so he's clean my doctors put him i gave him 45 different tests wow uh so yeah he's dismissed from the team. He ends up filing for the NFL draft. His coach at USC says he's shocked to hear about his cocaine arrest. He says, this is a silver statement as fuck right here.

Quote, I was shocked to hear this news. I haven't talked to Todd yet, but I'm trying to get a hold of him. A week ago, Todd was suspended indefinitely from our football program, but that suspension was not related to this problem. USC has a very strong drug testing program for all of all all its athletes and in the time i've been here it's worked very effectively no it hasn't at all because he he played a whole season you didn't catch two you didn't catch him once all right so that's one and you didn't know a thing. You didn't know shit.

1991 NFL draft. This is number one overall pick is Russell Maryland. The defensive tackle there that goes to Dallas. This is kind of a light draft. We'll put it that way. There's not, I mean, look through Mike Kroll, Denver guy. Remember him? It's okay. I mean, a lot of decent guys like that.

Herman Moore, a good wide receiver for Detroit. But, you know, Alvin Harper. Not Michael Irvin. Alvin Harper, the other cowboy receiver. This is all in the first round. So it's not. First five picks are Russell Maryland, Eric Turner, Bruce Pickens, Mike Kroll, and Todd Light. Pickens wasn't bad, right?

Bruce Pickens, the defensive back? You're thinking of Carl Pickens, the receiver for the Bengals. He was pretty good.. Pickens wasn't bad, right? Bruce Pickens, the defensive back? You're thinking of Carl Pickens, the receiver for the Bengals. He was pretty good. Bruce Pickens... Where did he go? Bruce Pickens goes to Atlanta. Let's see how many appearances he had. Seven.

Games, he played in 48 professional games. So at least the other guys played for a few years. Todd Light, Mike Kroll, played 102 games. Todd Light, 175 other guys played for a few years. Todd Light, Mike Kroll played 102 games. Todd Light, 175. That's a tough first round. Yeah, that is. That's a tough whole draft, then.

If that's the first round. That's the first round. This was a real, 90 was a pretty heavy draft. You got like Emmitt Smith and guys like that. This is a completely different deal. Number 24 overall, the Oakland Raiders select Todd Marinovich. Hell yeah, they do. Out of USC. Apparently, the legend has it. overall uh the oakland raiders select todd marinovich oh yeah they do out of usc uh this uh

apparently the legend has it who knows if this is true but uh the problem is at 33 another quarterback is selected less than 10 picks later and that quarterback is brett farve yeah who's in the hall of fame and uh todd marinovich isn't and we'll talk more about that so uh so the raider fans are kind of pissed about it well apparently the uh scouts all told all of his football people told him to take farve and he wanted marinovich really because he was in la he's a usc quarterback and he wanted that not some fucking kid from the middle of nowhere he wanted the famous big time al davis likes that and he wants to sell tickets and so he's trying to do the same hair as my son come on it'll be great so uh yeah uh brett farve goes number 33 to atlanta and like i said rest of

the draft nothing special real i mean there's some ricky waters goes 45th uh anias williams went in round three he's good hall of famer but i mean so now he's a raider uh he buys a manhattan beach townhouse a block from the ocean oh boy baby right in southern california nine hundred thousand dollars for that bad boy uh this is on a 2.25 million dollar contract he's doing this so he's already spent half his money on a house he's expecting to play more i would think. Yeah. After your taxes, that's your that's your house. So, yeah.

September 91. He's been there a couple months. Manhattan Beach police officers respond to complaints of loud parties at his home four times in September. Each time he promised to stop. Neighbors actually at one point circulate a petition asking him to stop making so much noise who's he thinking is logan paul yeah that's what i mean that's basically the situation the neighbors get a petition not to give to him yeah to say look all of us please stop you're keeping we've been talking who's we i'll get documentation everybody you know that street

down there the elm on the that whole street and then these all these people everyone you see them when you're leaving they said it too that's it everyone on the inside of this big gate i'm sure also manhattan beach is fucking la you are a long way from oakland that's a drive this is la raiders back then oh that's right i said oakland but it's the la raiders this was i believe right yeah okay this is when they're in la yeah this yeah this is when they're in l.a so he's jesus man that's a long drive to work and that's why al davis wants him so badly too because they're a hometown boy 91 raiders uh this team this is uh jay schrader is your starting quarterback that goofy looking wispy haired blonde goofy fuck with a weird chin they had the two weirdest looking quarterbacks in the world with Schrader and Marinovich.

And then skinny as shit old man Vince Evans. Hell yeah. A skinny old black man backing up the bright red fucking Marinovich and goofy fuck Jay Schrader. That's the hell of a lineup. That's a weird. That's a nice depth chart. That's a weird roster of quarterbacks.

They were numbers 11, 12, and 13. No kidding? I find that weird. This was also Roger Craig left the 49ers at this point. Roger Craig's on this team. Marcus Allen's on this team. Napoleon McCallum's on that team. That guy from some games.

Vince Evans, like I said. Tim Brown is on that team. So this is kind of a... That's like the beginning of Brown's career. Yeah. In 89, he was drafted, I think. Ronnie Lott is on this team after Yeah, so this is kind of a... That's like the beginning of Brown's career. Yeah, oh yeah, in 89 he was drafted, I think. Ronnie Lott is on this team after he left the Raiders. This is a pretty good team.

Howie Long is still on this team. Bob Golick. There's a lot of older guys on this team signing kind of San Francisco's Super Bowl shrapnel. Right. And after that team was starting to come apart there. This team, all together, they go 9 seven uh there uh they do not they go to the playoffs uh wild card round they lose to the chiefs ten to six and we'll talk a little bit about this here because that chiefs wild card game is an interesting uh thing first there's the rookie

party okay now uh every year apparently it is a tradition that the ra rookies, their first draft pick has to throw a rookie party. He has to throw a giant party for this whole team. For everybody. He has to pay for it. All him. It's all on him to do it. So he has a three-year $2.25 million deal with a $1 million signing bonus. That's his deal.

He rented a ranch and hired a company that did barbecue on one of those giant flatbed truck grills. One of those. He turned the barn into a stadium with hay bale seating. Hired strippers, 10 white and 10 black. It's a football team, so you got to have a little of everything. A little progressive. And for the grand finale, three porn stars with double-headed dildos. This is what he's put together for everybody.

I've gotten this for you. That is exactly what I expected. That's what you expect when you tell a 20-year-old kid, hey, you got to throw a party for everybody. It's got to be good. I've been to USC. Say no more, fam. I got you. Booze and double-headed dildos i suppose make a stadium watch these chicks do you think he was like i'm gonna blow their fucking how scared were those women with these

fucking psychopath screaming yelling football players they had to think they're all gonna rape us immediately when we're done with this no way way they want us to do like sex stuff, right? And then they walk in the door and they're like, here's your dildo. What the fuck? Well, I assume if you're, yeah. They're just going to interview the porn stars as, you know. We're just here to hang out with them. Yeah, just going to hang out.

He says, quote, Todd, quote, they say in the history of the Raiders, it was the best rookie party ever. Nobody thought of that one yet? Really? I didn't think of exactly that. Apparently the ranch and all that. It's not just going out to a bar and like you know whatever he threw a hillbilly fuck fest that's what he did he threw a crazy weird like hillbilly eyes wide shut party in a barn and they were all like this is the best one that's it great that's the best one uh yeah he he was a backup

he's third string you're behind vince evans on the field so you might as well party off of it uh he says that uh you know he would just party like crazy because he wasn't fucking doing anything anyway he says he'd arrive at a hotel for an away game he'd go with the rest of the players to a club and then when everybody came back to the hotel he'd go back out uh he said quote there were there were women, raves, and ecstasy, and coke. There's all sorts of shit here. He said the older guys would seek him out just to hear stories of the night before because they knew he was going out and having some crazy epic party.

It's the original Johnny Manziel. That's exactly what he is. But a little more, he's bigger, so it's easier. He had talent, like NFL caliber talent. bigger, so it's easier. He had it with talent. With NFL caliber talent. Physically, he's got NFL caliber talent. Manziel never had physical ability, I don't think.

His head was a fucking mess, too. If you have the physical ability, you can get by for a little while in the NFL. But if you're tiny, you better be the most intelligent, well-fucking-practiced, hardest-working guy on the, well fucking practiced, hardest working guy on the field. You're going to be killed. Most coke free dude on the field. Or the most coked out dude on the field.

One of the two. He tried. You better have the least or the most coke in your system. One of the two. Nothing in between. So he said that, quote, the cities just started running in together and to one another. So he just kept, he was just going crazy. He said sometimes for a hangover relief

or even just for a little fun, he'd take a little speed before games, like the pills that baseball players take. He said, I wasn't playing, so the warm-ups were my game. They'd have these great stereo systems in the stadiums. They'd be blasting the stones or whatever. I'd take some black beauties

and be throwing the ball 75 yards, running around, playing receiver, fucking around. And then I was done for the day. I never played. Some guys did play on speed or they mixed it with Vicodin. They could run through a fucking wall and not feel a thing. So, wow. There you go.

I want $3 million to do that. That's the Raiders. That's a great party. That sounds like fun. That's a hell of a life. He plays in one game that season, 23 for 40 which isn't bad at all and he has three touchdowns so uh no interception very fucking promising no picks three touchdowns no picks very promising black beauties they like that all hopped up on the black beauties uh yeah he says

quote they say in our society if you reach this you'll be happy i was miserable but couldn't tell you why everything around me is falling apart i have a bank account millions of dollars and that's not making it better what the fuck is wrong with me that's what he was thinking i would say that's an accurate thought that's yeah that's yeah he says he would just party uh a lot he just kept partying and partying uh uh problem is as a consequence for his cocaine arrest one of the things was drug testing. So the NFL is requiring him to take more frequent urine tests than everybody else because he's got a cocaine bust.

So he said he couldn't really, he felt he couldn't function socially around the team without at least some weed. So he said, quote, it just allowed me to be comfortable in this loud, chaotic world, especially the world I was living in.

I couldn't fathom being sober. So what he would do is he would keep gatorade bottles of clean urine uh donated oh don't mix those up no no one person i would say hey bob hey bill you guys no no no i mean don't mix that up with your gatorade bottle well no that's yeah you don't have orange he never has yellow he only drinks red gatorade so uh he uh it's better than that cloudy one that looks like jizz this better be gatorade i'll tell you that much that shit just looks like jizz and fucking

here's a here you go 32 ounces of jizz who wants a quart of jizz we ran it through a strainer it's disgusting that is the grossest i couldn't force myself to drink that. It's pretty gross. I would gag on it. I couldn't do it. So he said, though, he would keep them in his fridge at his townhouse. He had different non-weed smoking friends would fill up piss bottles for him, and he'd have a bunch in there for future. Like if you were over there and you weren't a weed smoker,

you'd be like piss in this Gatorade bottle if you have no drugs in your system because i'm gonna fucking need it uh so he kept that uh all season long he had this routine he'd pour the refrigerated piss into a small sunscreen bottle and a little squirty sunscreen bottles go to practice put the bottle in a cup of coffee and leave it in the locker room to warm up while he's attending a meeting he'd come back stash the bottle inside his shorts. You know, they have like the tight fucking like the Russian pants. There you go. He'd put them in there right beneath his dick.

Right. And then he said usually he'd asked the supervisor to turn the water on in the sink so he could get going. Sure. And he said then he would. He said he got it down to a science. Wow. Where he knew exactly how to do it. And they weren't like looking at his dick. Right. Back then. Why does your, and he said he got it down to a science. Wow. Where he knew exactly how to do it, and they weren't, like, looking at his dick.

Right. Back then, I don't think. Why does your dick say fucking banana boat on it? Yeah, why is your dick yellow and pink? Well, then again, you have red hair. Who knows what the hell that thing looks like. So, yeah, he says, but at one point before the Chiefs game, before the playoff game, he was out of clean pee.

Uh-huh. So he was like, shit, how did I not store more pee? I have no pee. He said so. He doesn't keep track of inventory? He doesn't keep track. He's like, oh, fuck my stock room. The stock room's empty.

We got nothing in the back? Fuck. It's all on back order? Where's Marv? Marv would have kept this straight. He's looking behind the mustard. He's like, where is it? So maybe this will work.

So he says this morning, though, one of his former USC teammates was still at his house from the weekend's partying, and he knew this guy didn't do drugs. So he's like, fuck yeah, awesome. Why the fuck did he stick around? Well, the problem is he said, awesome, fill this up. But what he didn't realize is this guy had been playing at USC, and since Saturday after the game, this guy's been doing nothing but drinking for two days. Booze is going to be in there.

Yeah, well, it turns out his urine sample had a blood alcohol level of.32, which is four times the legal limit, and really way too much booze to have in your system. You should know, looking at a man that's.32, you should know. He didn't even think. That's not going to work. He didn't think, like, it's too much. He just thought booze is fine, drugs are not. Oh, boy.

It's fine. So he says, Todd says, quote, they're like, this guy is a fucking full-blown alcoholic, the team said. They made me check into Centellia Hospital in inglewood for alcohol detox and i hadn't even been drinking city got there and they were like you got a detox he's like all right he's just sitting there like cool i'm all detox i'm fine i got nothing yeah he's like i have no booze in my system uh he said the team left without him and he flew to the game later on for the chiefs uh this time though the chiefs also he had shit game. He threw four picks and fumbled in a playoff game. Oh, Jesus.

And they lost to the Chiefs in a low score. So that's not terrific. No. Not at all. They lost 10-6. So they scored fucking. The Chiefs weren't even bad. How do you get four picks?

I think Steve DeBerg was their quarterback back then. You get five turnovers and you win by four points? I think Steve DeBerg was their quarterback. What a shit team that's your christian akoya yeah uh 91 yeah that's after his big his big uh run i think barry word was there probably that's just a bad team that's bad but like you think about their defense they had neil smith they had uh derek thomas well that's why they got picks and turnovers yeah that's why they were doing great uh there but uh yeah he said uh after the season he was sent to rehab and he said he didn't take it that seriously though he said quote the raiders sent me i was definitely not ready for rehab then not too many 21 year olds are i was in a 45 day inpatient treatment and i couldn't wait to get out i was surrounded by all

these old guys who were well the same age i am I am now. Obviously, this is a later interview. He said, I sat around the circle going, yeah, thanks for the horror stories, but what happened to you isn't going to happen to me. And then it did, and worse. Foreshadowing. Thanks for the horror stories, but I've never drank anything. Oh, yeah. Well, let's talk about it, because it's a fucking toboggan ride down a slick slope from here, man. It's all been set up.

Now it's time to knock it down. Okay. January 1992. First of all, this is light, but an arrest warrant is issued after he fails to appear for an arraignment on a misdemeanor disturbance charge stemming from a Halloween party at his home. So he's just not listening to that. Whatever. That's fine. He's 22 and he's living on the beach having parties. What do you expect?

So the 92 Raiders, they go 7-9. Not a great season for them. They do not make the playoffs. They began the season 0-2, which is really not good, with Jay Schrader at quarterback. And then they put Marinovich in.

And they went 7-7. Because it can't get any worse. His first start, he throws for 395 yards, which isn't bad, but they still lose the next two. They start out 0-4, and then he wins the next three of four games. So they're starting to like Marinovich here. He has a great game against Buffalo where they win 20-3. Buffalo was a nasty team, and they went to the super bowl that year so they beat buffalo 20 to 3 uh then they they start against the eagles and uh his first 10 passes three

of them are picks the week after that jesus uh yeah not great and so consistent as fuck inconsistent as shit so then they give schroeder the job back or schrader the job back the next week and uh marinovich never played in the nfl again wow never fucking got another never got another throw he got five games six games that's it uh grand total well that year he played in seven games uh he was 81 for 165 49.1 percent completion which is not okay and then uh yeah not good uh five touchdowns nine picks so total eight career games 50.7 completion percentage uh eight touchdowns nine picks that's not good at all not terrific uh as you might imagine even if you're not far then you could have had brett farve who played for 38

years and then went to the hall of fame that's a great Wrangler commercial. Jesus, and a bad dick pic. Yeah. The Raiders hold an intervention for him at the end of the season. They said that's when he spends the 45 days in rehab. By 92, after the whole drug test debacle, he said it's so much easier if I just do acid after games. What? I'll just do LSD because that doesn't show up on drug tests.

It doesn't show up on piss tests. They have to do a hair thing for that. Those are super expensive and they're not standard testing. That's for specialized shit. So, yeah, his coaches said that they were complaining to him that he wasn't grasping the complex offense. I would say so. You're tripping.

How are you supposed to grasp shit? Maybe you'd grasp it better, though. I just see those lines and those x's and o's man and they're 3d i just see it happening right now he sees daisies growing at the 50 yard line yeah fuck the playbook beautiful in here isn't it what it's it's it's fucking winter in cleveland no it's terrible outside it's muddy and these people are fat. Why am I sweating so much? Jesus Christ. Why? So, 92, he fails his second NFL drug test and goes back to rehab.

His agent, though, denies all charges. This is some silver-haired middle-aged shit right here. His agent, Tom Condon, who's a big agent, he says, quote, Todd and I just got off the the phone he indicated to me that he has not failed any drug test which is a lie he failed the one before the chiefs game uh that he had not and that he has not been to any rehab program uh but that he is continuing with the counseling that he has been getting the counseling is counseling is voluntary on his part and he initiated it himself uh where it got started the rumor they're talking about about the drug test or anything else i can't really tell you he just said that he's been feeling great and that workouts were going really well uh he said until this happened he was feeling

really great he said to me quote gosh this is just old news i wish they would stop dredging it up gosh he said to me golly gee willikers. Fucking he's a diesel piece. Diesel Pete's. I don't even know. So they wonder, is there a legal issue because he's got probation for the drugs and drug drug? He said that the apparently the the probation office found that there was merely a rumor. There was no proof to substantiate the allegation. The one person in the probation office said, quote, I don't know who started the ugly rumor,

but I'm glad he completed the program and I wish him the best. Yeah. So they said they couldn't find any fire with that smoke there. So he did acknowledge, though, that he still uses alcohol. He says, quote, I still go out and do that. Go to local bars as such. Bars in Manhattan Beach and Balboa Island. I can't help not to. I don't do it like

I used to at USC because I can't. I still have fun. That is one thing I don't want it to let. I don't want to let it ruin the arrest that he had. Ruin having a good time worrying about who's watching. So I haven't thought about that for a while without saying, screw it. Just go do what you're going to do and be true to yourself.

Saying, I don't care what anybody thinks about me. I live in a beach community. How am I not going to drink? And I'm a left-handed Raiders quarterback. And you've had Ken Stabler, who is known as the biggest psychopath, partier, drug addict, gambler, lunatic, psycho in the fucking world. I should be fine. And he was fine. And won you a Super Bowl, I should be fine. He was fine and won you a Super Bowl, I believe. So relax.

So or at least got close a lot. Lost one. So remember if Stabler got one. So 93 here before in training camp before the 93 season, he fails his third drug test in the NFL. This time it's for weed and he's suspended for the end of 93

season whole season uh they released todd on the final cut down uh that way they don't have to pay his salary while he's suspended for a year yeah because the salary cap's going to go into effect the next year and it would fuck everything up so uh he said he was just like what he didn't even care at this point he says quote i was like fuck it i've been playing my whole life. I'd accomplished my goals. I never said I wanted to play forever. I just wanted to play at the highest level.

Even in college, it felt like the shit you had to put up with in order to play wasn't worth it. Those few amazing hours on Sunday were being outweighed by all the bullshit. Yeah, he's got a doesn't give a fuck. He packed up his car. He's got a Land Cruiser that he bought when he got his bonus there. Drove to Mexico to camp on the beach and surf and fuck around and not give a shit. He said, quote, I thought I had a ton of money. Yeah.

Which he didn't. No. You don't. At the time, he went, that seems like a lot. In your 20s? That'll go far in Mexico. Are you out of your fucking mind? Yeah.

Life is long he's read one too many uh cowboy movies or books and and thought 30 grand would would last forever there this is like i think he just read like some beatnik hippie shit from the 60s and it's like you just get in your car and you go man you just live and you smoke weed on the beach dipshit it's fine what a dumb uh yeah so 1994 his suspensions lifted and uh the steelers show a little bit of interest in him. They send out a little bit of feelers, but he announces that he does not like the culture of the NFL and does not want to return to the league and is not interested. Bob Costas?

You just fucking play, you dick. If I'm this guy, though, I think I can maybe understand just going, dude, I just don't feel like doing this anymore. I don't know. But you need a job. Right. What are you going to do? That's what I'm looking at. though, I think I can maybe understand just going, dude, I just don't feel like doing this anymore. I don't know. But you need a job. Right. What are you going to do? That's what I'm looking at.

You're going to make money. The pay structure alone is more than any fucking day job he's qualified for. Well, he ends up signing with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the CFL. Jesus Christ. Yeah. He never actually plays on the roster. He blows his knee out on the first day of training camp. Oh, boy.

And he just sits there the whole time and watches games from the sideline with a blown-out knee. Wouldn't it be better to watch NFL games than CFL games? That's what I mean. Yeah, either way you're going to be watching. The Steelers weren't looking at you as a starter. They had Neil O'Donnell and Tom Zak back then. They were both half-decent. O'Donnell's a goofy fuck, but he was all right.

So, yeah. So, during this injury rehab, he discovers something new. What is that? Heroin. Oh, no. He discovers heroin and starts doing it quite a bit. You Canadians are too nice. He discovers black tar heroin and he likes it.

It's a good feeling for him and he separates from the world and he digs it okay uh yeah he says uh then there's a time where he has a problem here so from about 95 into 96 he's having problems with this shit he's uh he's doing heroin he's hanging out at the beach he's partying he's not up to anything productive uh he says he gets into pickup basketball to rehab his knee a lot. He's playing pickup games of ball on the beach. He said there's a low rim that they dunk on and have a good time on and all that shit. So one time in 96, a friend of his, who was a big guy, 275 pounder,

hurt his back on a play in basketball, and they had to kind of drag him back to Todd's apartment or Todd's house there. And they lay him down in bed, and he asked Todd, do you have anything to help with the pain? Fuck yes, I do. Which, if you're an athlete,

he goes, yeah, you got a painkiller or something. Hold this then, spoon. Well, what he does, he said he went to get his stash of Mexican black tar heroin that he had. He said, quote, I fixed myself first. I remember it being strong stuff so i just gave

him a fraction of the amount uh so he gave this guy heroin he injected this guy with heroin which if you're this guy like i'm not in that much pain put your needle away jesus christ you got a fucking advil bro i meant a leave bro what jesus christ uh so he said he went outside gave the guy that heroin he went outside smoked a cigarette on the front porch, and then came back to check on this dude. And Todd says, quote, he's frothing from the mouth. He's fucking blue. Oh, my God. He just overdosed his friend.

Yeah, he overdosed this guy. So he said he ran outside and got the garden hose, he said, which was easier than lugging Valdez to the shower, which is his friend. He said when that didn't help, he started smacking him in the face as hard as he could. hose uh he said which was easier than lugging valdez to the shower which is his friend he said when that didn't help uh he started he started smacking him in the face as hard as he could he said quote i'm fucking hitting this guy with everything i've got and i swear i could see his spirit struggling to leave his body and i don't tell this story much people think i was hallucinating but on heroin you don't hallucinate you do not fucking hallucinate on fucking heroin in case you're wondering that's a quote from todd uh todd marinovich said you do not fucking hallucinate

on fucking heroin that should be one of those like law motivational yeah i want a poster of todd in his methier days later on when he's looking real poor with that fucking quote under it i want it on fucking game day that's the picture i want that'd look great yeah i'm holding this helmet under his arm looking all and it just says you do not fucking you do not on fucking heroin uh he says quote the only way i could describe it was like when you see heat waves on the beach when the heat waves eddie up and warp your vision like a mirage he said it was like that and it was colorful i actually saw it the life force or whatever as it would leave the top of his head and he's become this flesh bag and i then i would smack the shit out of him and i would actually see

it coming back into him wow uh so apparently a flesh but that was a lot that was a crazy quote so he said most of his friends scattered. Yeah. And then one friend was left and Todd was yelling while he's smacking the shit out of this guy. Call fucking 911. And he's smacking this guy. So the other guy. I guess like sharpening a hacksaw.

Oh, you want 911? Oh, my bad. All right. Sorry. I was going to. I was going to take care of this. I completely missed. I was going to oil a chainsaw.

But OK. Never mind. So don't prepare the tub. prepare the tub okay pick up all these glad bags okay that's what i have never mind so uh he said the other guy cleaned up the syringe and the drugs and all that sort of shit and uh the dispatcher told todd had to do cpr uh the paramedics arrive with sheriff's deputies because it's a drug issue right uh now the day before this todd had helped his buddy harvest a marijuana crop oh no uh and as a thank you he got a trash bag full of it oh jesus as a payment uh it said it wasn't even but it's just like the trimmings like leaves and shit but shit you could smoke if you're desperate and uh this is the 90s so this is not legal weed everybody Everybody now is like, so what?

90s, even at the beach in California, you couldn't have a garbage bag full of weed. It was not allowed. You're supposed to say no. Yeah. I guess he stashed the bag in his garage with his surfboards and shit and totally forgot that it was there because he had other weed. And this shit wasn't that great anyway, so he didn't really think about it. He says, as the paramedics wheeled him out, one of the deputies came into the room holding the trash bag. And I guess the deputy asked him, where are the plants?

Where's the plants? This is a trimmings. Where's the fucking plants? And he said, I'm not a grower. And he said he tried to explain, see, there's this buddy of mine. And they ended up then another deputy came in carrying two half dead weed plants that he had in his laundry room with a drugstore. They call it a drugstore variety grow light in this article. He just had a light with two plants in his room.

So he's going, no, no, no, I'm not a grower. See, there's this pal of mine, and they're like, why do you have two plants? Let's go, asshole. He's charged with felony marijuana cultivation. Oh, no. Which, if you grew two plants on the beach in California now, nobody would care. The chief of police would go, that's a nice plant you got there, son. And he'd keep walking. Nobody gives a shit.

Totally fine. But back then, marijuana cultivation, felony. Unbelievable. He serves two months in jail for this later on. Oh, no. We'll talk about here. 97, he pleads guilty to growing marijuana and misdemeanor possession of a controlled substance and possession of a syringe because they find that shit so yeah two million two months in jail

and a third at a minimum security uh place called the farm which is like kind of a workplace or whatever it's not strippers and double-sided dildos oh there's hay bales and yeah it was really it was wild it's a good time 10 white 10 black That's how they did it. So, yeah. 1999, April. He's cleared to reenter the NFL because he's had these arrest problems with drugs. So, his status kept going away. And then, even though he wasn't even trying to play, they would suspend him and reinstate him. It's stupid. But he ends up suffering a herniated disc while he's playing basketball just out on the beach.

Back or back? Back, I think. So that summer, though, he tries out for and gets kind of a couple of feelers from the Chargers and the Bears. Okay. So he's looking to come back to football after he hasn't played in six, seven years. He almost killed a guy. And he almost killed a guy, but he failed the physical both times because of his back. So June 8th

1999 let's see he's already been shit can from the raiders so where do you go from there where's the only place it'll take you when the raiders don't want you the cfl oh canada yeah you'll take Our piles of shit. Our criminal athletes come to your shores and hit your women. And never mind. And do your drugs and fuck everyone inside. And spread AIDS. Because that's one guy that did that, too. Yeah, he did. Yeah, so sorry, Canada.

We've really, Robert Rozier went up there acting like a lunatic. We have given way too much to you. All you gave us was Ayan Krotoru. Really not that bad. Coming down shirtless in his Jeep. You've given us nice things, and we just. Yeah, we give you shit. This is like a bad Christmas exchange every year.

Oh, this is bad. We just keep giving you shit in a box. Here's our Johnny Manziels that we don't want. Right. We already had a Johnny Manziel, and it was broken real real easy so we just got rid of it can we give your celine dion citizenship jesus christ we don't want it we'll give it back so uh he signs with in june he signs with the british columbia lions here uh they sign him uh so So Western Canada out in B.C. One year contract. This is after he spent his time in jail. He dresses for all 18 regular season games and one playoff game, but never plays.

Never throws a ball. Never throws a ball. Just sits there and watches. Dresses and watches. Watches the days he's going to the 50-yard line. That's it. They released him in 2000. That was that.

He set his routine uh jesus christ let's do it in their own words we we we need to do it in their own words here because this one is you don't hear people saying this kind of shit right in their own words quote the day before every game we would do a walkthrough in the dome that was my day for needle exchange all my years of being a dope fiend, the hardest part was always getting needles. I was always getting good coke and really pure heroin and combining them. That's all I wanted to do. I woke up, fixed, went to practice.

Thank God I was just backing up. I was just a clipboard guy playing the opposing quarterback in practice. So he is just fucking doing heroin before games and practices. He's just hanging out doing heroin. That's his job, doing heroin before games and practices wow he's just hanging out doing heroin that's his job doing heroin uh he said one time at halftime during a home game he got a pre-made rig out of his locker and went into the bathroom to shoot up at halftime he said he was sitting in the toilet half listening to the coach talk about what they're gonna do and you know he's like okay so yeah tell me more about the running play.

So we're going to go more to the right side, and he's literally fucking tying off. Unbelievable. It's crazy, man. He says that as the team was leaving the locker room for the second half, he said he struggled. Jesus. He struggled with the screen in his crack pipe,

and he wasn't getting a good hit. So then the pipe broke, and he cut his left a good hit so then the pat the pipe broke and he cut his left thumb so he comes out on the field this is he's smoking crack in the team bathroom he gets out on the field with his thumb wrapped in a towel and the game already started and he's wasted with his thumb wrapped up from a crack pipe wound he's bleeding from a crack pipe wound we've never had a crack pipe wound this is a This is a CIS first. Yeah. Everybody, bum, bum, bum, a crime and sports original first. Never had a crack pipe wound.

Or heroin doing at halftime. Jesus Christ. Shooting heroin at halftime. That's insane. He said that he just took his clipboard and he said, I didn't even know what play they were calling. Nobody looked at the shit I wrote anyway. Oh, boy.

He was just hanging out in a uniform. He didn't care. Drawing pictures. He said at the end of the season, the team had a party, and he was, quote, gowed out of my mind. He said that he was somewhere between a nod and full-on slumber. He said at that point he dropped to 176 pounds. He said, quote, I was a celibate heroin monk. I would go downtown, cop cop come back to my pad and

not leave till the drugs were gone there was no furniture in my place just a bed in the tv i wasn't eating i spent a lot of time in this astro minivan i had i'd just climb into the back and fix my right my life revolved around dope and my dog what happened what the fuck is going on don't feed your kids kidney never oh my don't stretch their hamstrings just let them a drug wow kidneys a gateway drug yeah that's what you could say fuck it uh he said that uh uh at the party uh at the party for the team the gm saw him and comes over to him and he's like, this isn't going to be good. The GM shakes his hand and said, I know we signed you for one year with an option for another year.

He said, we'd love to pick up that option. Oh, no. Todd said, quote, you have to be fucking crazy. I can't stay here. He said, no, I'm not staying here. This is going to kill me. That's what he said. He said, I'm not fucking, no. He's like, why are they picking up my option? I'm smoking crack in the bathroom. You've been so great with the heroin on the stall. We can't do it without you. He said, I'm not fucking, no. But he's like, why are they picking up my option? I'm smoking crack in the bathroom. You've been so great with the heroin on the stall.

We can't do it without you. He said, I'm doing nothing. He said, I'm writing down gibberish and jamming heroin in the bathroom, and they want to resign me for some reason. And you wonder, too nice. That's why we say that. So, 2000, he is signed to another team. He is signed to the brand new, at this point, expansion Los Angeles Avengers of the Arena Football League. Yeah, that's why they signed him. Because they're an expansion team in Arena League, and they need a couple people to come out.

And you don't get a bigger freak show than this. So either way, it's going to be entertaining. He might come out on heroin and stumble and fall down before he gets to the huddle, or he could throw five touchdowns. People will see it. They're going to see it. So he actually had a goddamn good season for that, because it's the Arena League, and he's still good.

And he's on fucking heroin and coke. Way to hear. That game is fast-paced. Oh, yeah. He needs it to slow down a little bit. He set a single-game record at one uh by throwing 10 touchdowns against the houston thunder bears in a game 10 touchdowns that's a lot uh in 2000 he was 168 for 296 with 45 touchdowns and nine picks for the avengers yeah he was named to the all-rookie team. And the next year, he's named the Avengers franchise player.

They say, you're going to be our franchise player at that point that year. Guy on heroin. Guy on heroin. So they give him his signing bonus. And the very next day, he is rested. Oh, no. Yeah, they give him his signing bonus.

This is how he ends up off the team. But I'm kind of going out of chronology here. But they give him a signing bonus this is the tooth this is how he ends up off the team but i'm kind of going out of chronology here but they give him a signing bonus and he takes it and is immediately arrested for buying heroin of course uh yeah uh he says uh in april 25th 2000 though while this the the you know the first year when everything was fine he's arrested at the team facility on april 25th uh after uh he's arrested for sexual assault oh no uh yes he is arrested he the police say the incident took place at his apartment uh the marina del rey sheriff's station was contacted by a hospital who said a 19 year old woman accused him of having forced her to have sexual intercourse. They called the deputies. The woman was examined.

Charge. He denies the charge. He said sex was consensual. Okay. I don't know how he knows any different. He thought a soul was leaving a man's body and he could watch it come back in. Yeah.

But the team, they're fine with it. This is how silver this team is. Silver-haired, middle-aged white men. This says, quote, Todd has been, is now, and will be a part of this football team he just got charged with second you have no idea in respect to the law we have to let it run its course so until he's in prison he's going to be throwing touchdown passes for us unbelievable yeah he said about his whole time at with this team quote i was strung out on heroin living paycheck to paycheck

and it was not in any way i was not in any way a useful part of the team other than throwing shit loads of touchdowns so uh otherwise he was a fucking disaster he uh eventually though in june of 2000 uh uh he ends up being uh the charges end up being dismissed so uh there was i guess seven people over there that night they were all it was kind of a little party everybody was uh interviewed and uh the uh one of the women who were there said that she saw the the woman had been drinking everyone was drinking and she said the woman consensually entered Marinovich's bedroom and she didn't see any evidence of rape. So that's what that was the... So they were like, yep, never mind.

That's how... That's the definition of not... Yeah, he could have said, oh, let me show you something. I mean, you don't know if... Yeah. He could have been in there with Coke or more drinks and she's going to look for it.

He could have said, oh, let me show you my fucking... Heisman. My dial high school player of the year award. It's pretty cool. And then, yeah, that means nothing. So... He didn't win the heisman did he no he didn't absolutely he was up for it but sophomore year they were talking about it didn't work out yeah they did yeah exactly so the prosecutor then said that uh uh later on when they dropped the charges the prosecutor said that the woman behaved in ways quote not uh not inconsistent with someone who had consented to sex.

OK, that's very vague. Quote, There was no call for help, even though she had dependable girlfriends right outside the door. The complaint said Marinovich never threatened her or used force against her. She said that that Todd had witnesses who said the woman was openly flirting with Todd and engaging in sexually suggestive behavior and conversation. He said, quote, is the prosecutor based on the ambiguity of the complainant's behavior. Marinovich had a plausible defense that he reasonably believed the victim was consenting

to sexual intercourse. Yeah. So that's yeah. He said that their attorney said, yep, we agree. Fucking Marinoviches he said quote i figured they were doing a thorough job and they are yeah because they're getting off yeah the owner of the avengers said quote i could not be happier for todd this is all behind him and he can get back to concentrating on what's important and that's making me fucking money

right just what he said and that's winning football games that's what he said in public and back he said that dirty whore yeah exactly that's a really wow that's a tough one because that that's that's that's who knows what happened we have no idea and there's no way to know and i fear you may have been a terrible person just trying to get money from somebody you never know the other point he might have fucking forced him but he doesn't have any money that's the other thing but she doesn't know that maybe too who you don't know what the fuck happened in there if If you're the prosecutor, that's a tough one to prosecute because all you have is this woman and she's not saying that. It's just a tough one. It's a tough one from a legal standpoint.

Morally, maybe not, obviously, or whatever. And it might be that it's even cloudy there. Who knows? We don't know what happened. So it's really hard. But you never want anybody to. No. That's rough. Don't go into a bedroom with guys. Yeah, don't do that. No we don't know what happened so it's really hard uh but you never want anybody to no that's rough don't go into a bedroom with guys yeah don't do that no don't don't do that because you never know if you're gonna get justice you don't know uh todd says quote i'm very grateful that the district attorney's office after reviewing the facts of

this matter have elected to not bring any charges whatsoever the system is designed to protect the innocent and that's exactly what it did i want to thank the entire avengers organization for sticking by me and believing in me uh yes so uh they keep him now they gave him a signing bonus in 2001 like i said it was 30 000 he had 30 000 cash in an envelope after he got a signing bonus and that day he's busted buying heroin with 30 000 in cash in an envelope he went right now he went cashed his check and went to buy 30 grand uh now they kept they kept him anyway yeah uh he ends it up uh going 81 for 176 with 17 touchdowns 12 picks that year not quite the same year here uh he was ejected in consecutive games wow uh at games toward the end of the season for throwing a clipboard and a hand towel at referees.

Then finally he was just suspended from the team in the second year there. Yeah, he's a fucking mess. He can't hang out even in the Arena League. He says, quote, I realize now it's life or death for me. When I was in my addiction, I did something every day for it. I scored drugs that's what i have to do today uh to go to lengths like i did before but now in a positive way uh so he's having issues clearly uh 2004 comes around he's broke uh he's living on the uh balboa peninsula there over there he's he's got nothing though there's a thing he's in an astro van yeah

he's hanging out in uh just kind of hanging out around the beach yeah dicking off uh uh he would uh do that sort of thing uh he'd hang out he'd uh you know stay at friends houses a bunch of them are junkies hang out with other junkies uh they even said even though even when he was at a terrible low place with his with his you know with his whole thing they said he was a still a good house guest like he was a polite guy didn't steal from people and shit like he was a decent he wasn't a piece of shit in that direction he was just a disaster to himself right and that was that self-saboteur yeah absolutely uh he said that uh he didn't go to his family very often because he said he didn't like the way his mother would look at him he said uh at some point trying

to figure out where yeah she's looking at him went she's looking at you like she's horrified and wants to fucking save you from dying that's what she's looking at you like a heroin addict yeah uh she said every time she'd go at some point uh his uncle would accuse him of stealing something and then he would get kicked out, and his mother would change the locks. So that was that. He lost his car, and he lost his license. So he said at this point, he had a hard time scoring heroin, and he couldn't afford it either. So he was having an issue there.

So he said, you know what? There's a hell of a lot of speed around this beach, though. There's meth everywhere. So that's a lot cheaper. He said, quote, people were practically giving it away it's just super cheap he said uh he was high and he loved to skateboard he would get high and skate around that's all he would do he said quote it was a way to burn off all that energy i had from the meth uh quote it was like surfing on fucking concrete i would skate for eight hours a day.

I'd just be carving up and down the street for miles and miles. It was probably the most fun I've ever had on drugs. That and sex. Meth makes you just a fucking perv. It turns normal people with some morals into just fucking sick perverts. And that's all I wanted to do, you know, is look at porn or create my own. Unbelievable. This fucking guy is out there

i gotta say so he makes meth sound fun as shit though he makes meth sound awesome just skateboarding and fucking and that sounds great that sounds who doesn't want to who doesn't want to surf on fucking concrete that sounds amazing carving it up for miles and then miles and then fucking making porn when i can't when i when i can't find somebody i I just make it. I make it right on the beach. Unbelievable. No problem. On top of my skateboard. So August of 2004, he is arrested in Newport Beach for skateboarding in a prohibited zone.

They find meth and syringes on him. That's pretty much all of Newport Beach. It's a nice place. Get the fuck out of there. That's what he says. He's not allowed to skate on the boardwalk. He has a lot of problem with cops and skateboarding from this point on here. They do find meth and syringes on him, which is why they bother the skateboarders because they know that a lot of them are on drugs. They want to take their shit because it's fun.

Yeah, because it sounds like a great time. So sounds fun to fucking fun to me. I don't know about you. So May of 2005, he's arrested again for skateboarding in a prohibited zone. He's arrested again for skateboarding in a prohibited zone. He pleads guilty to misdemeanor resisting arrest and is sentenced to 18 days in jail and three years probation. Now, this is the one this this bust here. He is basically he's in a public bathhouse down by the beach, you know, firing up there. He's shooting up and the cops rouse him and so he

fucking takes off on his bicycle now he's got a bike he's got a beach cruiser here he takes off and they end up finding him uh about 15 blocks away and they found his paraphernalia and his toiletry kit and his needles and all shit like that but no drugs uh so one of the cops was an old high school football teammate which is not good oh my god he was the star he was the guy who's going to be amazing and now he's pulling him out of a fucking bathhouse uh with a needle kit and his bendle kit and he's emaciated skateboarding on the beach all day sunburned ginger sweaty you used to play for the raiders fuck you wow holy shit uh he's charged with violating probation on that one uh he gave his occupation on the report as quote unemployed artist and anarchist so he's out of it

he's out of it yeah it's over the edge now When you put anarchist on your police report. You tell your old high school teammate, college teammate. Yeah, or high school. This is a high school. Oh, Jesus. He said that the police report said that his pupils were dilated and his behavior was, quote, erratic. Yeah. Because he's fucking. Like an anarchist.

Like an anarchist who's wasted on heroin. Yeah, one of those. Or meth, I should say. Yeah, one of those. Or meth, I should say. Now, 2005, with all these legal problems, basically he can go to drug treatment, but he has to pay for it or else he can go to jail. Right. So 23 of his college teammates put up money to help pay for his drug treatment to help

him avoid jail time. Rock bottom. Rock fucking bottom. That should be it. That's it. Yeah, that should be be this is your final thing the only way to get help is from everybody else everybody they put up forty six hundred dollars uh a couple hundred bucks a piece uh to enter him into an inpatient program uh to get him to

go back to jail that's like 30 minutes at an inpatient program yeah this i guess i don't know if this was like a cheap one i think if it's court ordered it's probably cheaper they they there's a certain with the county there's a certain rate where then they pick I guess, I don't know if this was like a cheap one. I think if it's court ordered, it's probably cheaper. There's a certain rate where then they pick up part of it. I think it's an insurance thing, probably. Now, for the next year, all he is is in and out of rehab. Ricky Irvin, the old running back from USC, said, quote, people go through phases. It's a pretty long phase. We're looking at about 15 years of this phase right now.

That's a long one. That're looking at about 15 years of this phase right now so that's a that's a long one that's not just him that's yeah he says quote people always get mixed up in the wrong things and you just have to be strong enough to find your way out of it it's a positive way of looking at it uh in september of 2005 despite his friends putting up all this money and all these old teammates and people trying to help him. He walks out of the residential treatment program, violating his probation and his sentence, disappears for three weeks before he finally surrenders to the police and is returned to jail.

He did this before, too. He disappeared in USC for like three weeks one time before the season during the practices, or like two weeks, and was suspended and then let back in. He just disappears for a while can't take it anymore uh so uh yeah he uh uh he's a mess he's going back to jail 2006 he is again arrested he's charged with felony possession of a controlled substance and uh the case was later dismissed after he completed a drug court program. One of those, just, yeah, go in for 60 days and then whatever. I don't even give a fuck.

Now, he says about this whole thing, it's kind of time to take stock. He says, quote, Because of being someone in the public's eye, all my stumbles throughout my journey have been through national eyes and national news. And it's hard for people to relate with that. It's tough for anybody that's struggling because only their close friends know about it and their family knows about it. And in my case, it was extremely hard. And for years, it drove me deeper because the media coverage of it. It just brought that much more shame and guilt, which I can imagine.

Oh, boy, needs a couple of kids. uh just hold on oh no hang in there chief jesus hang in there he's broken other rules you don't think he's gonna break any more rules come on now he's got at least well he's already home yeah he's got at least two more rules i know three more rules i know of that he's gonna break that he's absolutely to break, that he's absolutely going to break. Now, August 2007, he's arrested and charged with felony drug possession and resisting a police officer after being stopped doing what? Skateboarding where? Newport Boardwalk. Again, same shit. Early morning, this is in a West Oceanfront parking lot.

He was skateboarding in a prohibited area. He took off on the skateboard and then picked it up and ran when he was approached by the police. He's a runner. It's like an eighties movie. Yeah, it totally is. I'm out of here. Hi,

stepping it out of here. Fucking Christian Slater gleaming the cube here, smack in the back of it and flipping it up and catching it. Come on with his fingerless glove. Right. So he says, quote, one stops. One cop startedless glove on. So he says, quote, one cop started running at me. The other one's crossing the boulevard trying to head me off. I popped off my skateboard, dropped my guitar case, and fucking ran down the alley.

One of them yelled, Todd, freeze. Okay. Right there. Right there. That is amazing. Right there. Right there. That is amazing. Right there. First name basis. If you are just cops, you're doing something, you run and they go, hey, Todd.

Bad sign. They know you're on a first name basis with cops. Todd, we know it's you. Come on, Todd. Don't make me run, Todd. Jesus Christ, Todd. Todd, freeze. That's amazing.

I laughed so hard when I found that in the research. I'm like, they knew his fucking fur. They knew. That's great. Just on sight. I mean, he's a lanky ginger on a skateboard that looks methed out. A meth-y skateboarding six-foot-four ginger is going to stand out. We know him.

And he's famous, too. We've heard of him. We know of him. He said, one of them yelled know of him uh he said one of them yelled todd freeze i heard pop pop pop i thought they were fucking shooting he says uh it was a taser they were tasing him uh they said the the projectile embedded itself in the lower part of his backpack not uh there he said my leg started spasming but it wasn't too bad i just kept running oh he's on meth you gotta hit him like four or five times on meth.

He said he ended up on a second floor balcony. He said, I saw the fucking light come on, and a guy came out and looked at me and shut the door real fast. I was like, oh, fuck. He's a disaster. Oh, my God. Is that Todd Marinovich on my porch? I better close that shit. What a goddamn mess.

By then, there were helicopters with spotlights, and he could hear the dogs all around. They had dogs and everything. This is for the very little thing. Skateboarding. You know it's Todd. Just get him next time. It's Todd. You know it.

What's this up to him tomorrow? Todd will be around. We'll find him. Then he said, quote, that's when I gave up. I've seen too many people come into fucking jail tore up from dogs so i just laid down on the fucking ground and they found me he says fuck in the funniest way to me he says it not in he puts it in a certain place is fun yeah he didn't say so i just fucking laid down on the ground because that's what most people would say he says i just

laid down on the fucking ground and they found me like everything's like this since too many people come in the fucking jail torn up not i've seen too many people come into jail all torn the fuck up from the dogs that's how normal people would say or fucking torn up from those dogs he says come into fucking jail the fucking comes before the noun always usually fucking's a verb thing like i fucking went over there right he says i fuck the fucking jail fucking dog all right it's fucking ground fucking jail hold on fucking light um i've found a speech pattern he fucks before no what fucking ran he fucking ran down the alley at one point so that's he he'll go in his usage is very california i yeah it bro dude uh so uh he talks like that guy kai that that uh that homeless guy kai that smashed a dude in the head with a viral video yeah he talks like

that guy jesus christ so he had a guitar case that he said he dropped uh that contains speed and uh a spoon and syringe. You knew that. So that's not good here. He ends up having to plead guilty of methamphetamine, syringe possession, and, of course, resisting arrest. They place him. Prosecutor places him on five years probation. Oh, shit.

And he's ordered to spend one year at a drug rehabilitation center. That's a steep one. That's a long time. That keeps you in the system because there's no way he's ordered to spend one year at a drug rehabilitation center. That's a steep one. That's a long time. That keeps you in the system because there's no way he's completing. No, that's so fucking long. So he's sent there. There is a period of, from all we know, sobriety from 2007 to 2008. He works with the National Drug and Alcohol Treatment Centers, which are located in Newport Beach.

He helps young athletes overcome addiction and stay clean. So he's doing well. In August 2008, after a year of sobriety, he's hired as a lecturer by Newport Coast Recovery, which is a drug and alcohol treatment facility in Newport Beach. So now he's like Mr. Counsel counselor right he's turned into uh that's a good way to write out that five it's a good way being a part of this of the yeah try to yeah so

april 4th 2009 he's arrested again so yeah it didn't work none of this it'll all be he's always he's up and down uh he's arrested in newport beach again yeah after he fails to appear in court for a progress review in his rehab related to the 2007 skateboarding incident there. He's ordered to be held in jail without bail for another month until the hearing is until May 4th. So he's sent to rehab. So I would say he's pretty fucking close to the worst he could be. He's got no money. He's getting older. He's a fucking meth head who runs from cops on the beach.

On the fucking beach. It's on the fucking beach. Runs from fucking cops on the fucking beach. Right. It can't get any fucking worse is what I'm saying. So what does he do at this point? Yeah. He fucking gets married.

No. He gets fucking married. That's what he does. Is she a drug addict? Broke the rule. Did he meet her in rehab? Guess where he met her? Rehab.

Hell yes. Fucking rehab. That is going to be the best sex you've ever heard through the walls of that extended stay hotel. Yep. He asked her out while they were in rehab, which even she said was not normal. It's against the rules. It's A against the rules and also just kind of weird.

We're all here for something. But they are quickly married. Oh, no. And in 2009, they have a son. He needs a child, Jimmy, in this world. You know what they named the son? No. It's not Todd.

Okay. Okay. You were scared there. Did they raise that baby in a crack house like Lion King? Oh, Jesus Christ. All the crackheads kneeling. Oh, there he is. Like, yeah, Pennsylvania!

He's bright white, fucking glowing with his red hair sticking out. Everyone's like, oh, God. Shielding like it's the sun. No, they named him Baron instead. That's kind of a cool name. It's better than Todd. Yeah, it is. Say that. It really is. Yeah. So, kind of a cool name. It's better than Todd. Yeah, it is. Say that.

It really is. Yeah. So May of 2010, he says he's sober, and he is scraping barnacles off of boats for $40 each. Oh, Jesus. Not per barnacle, per boat. No, per boat. $40 a boat.

$40 per barnacle is better than NFL salary. That'd be great. $40 a boat is brutal. His hands and his knuckles, everything is scraped raw all the time because he's busted up because it's hard work, but he likes it. He said it gets energy out. Hell yeah. He said if he doesn't do that kind of shit, he'll do drugs.

That's a job for a meth head. Yeah. Absolutely. Literally. Get under there and fucking scrape. That's what he does. He said it helps him get his energy out. Everything he does, he needs $40 a boat. energy out everything he does he needs 40 bucks a boat

so uh what do you think that raiders quarterback 40 sound fair to you jesus christ remember when you shook hands with al davis oh my god remember when ronald reagan invited him over and didn't remember so uh he invited you over neither does he neither does he he didn't five minutes later so uh july 11th 2000 or july 19th 2011 they have a daughter oh my god let's put two kids you didn't need a couple of kids that's why i said give him a second jimmy calm down right you got the boy then the girl and the girl this is real just uh yeah that's the statistical family it is beautiful he names it's it's really a really a dream is what it is. You want all this to happen here.

They named the daughter Koski, C-O-S-K-I, named after a dead drug addict friend of Todd's. What? Which is a good way to start a child's life. She's going to go through her whole life with somebody's nickname as her first name. As her first name. Oh, no, he's a junkie my dad knew so it's cool oh okay now september of 2011 uh let's take it back we didn't say this but marv when he got divorced from trudy marv ended up marrying a younger woman and having another son

having a son named uh mikhail or michael or whatever the fuck m-i-k-h-a-i-l mikhail uh has this kid and does the same thing with mikhail no not quite to that extreme i don't think but because he saw he cut out the kidney probably the kidney and maybe you know the medicine ball possibly at a young age things like that but he trains mikhail the same way uh mikhail ends up uh ends up uh back uh ends up at syracuse playing football there he plays all four years of football at syracuse doesn't play in the nfl but he has a goes to college uh uh yeah he uh he said when the quarterback no no no i thought he was a defensive end okay so uh yeah marv said he hopes that the kid knocks the trojans out when he plays them and uh fuck usc yeah he said i'm gonna be dressed in all orange

rooting for my boy so uh yeah now right around this time the marinovich project comes out okay this is a a documentary on espn yeah about todd and marvin and Marvin and building that whole thing. Now, on this, they basically say that obviously there's not enough, you know, obviously it didn't work out, but Todd at this point is still saying what a genius his dad is and he's just a fuck-up. That's why it didn't work. If he would have, you know, not been a fuck-up,

then it would have worked because his dad, you know, I mean, the training was perfect. I was an NFL quarterback, first-round round draft pick can't argue with that but everything was fine and his dad was great and his childhood was great and everything's fine he's still saying that really yeah he's still in 2011 2012 uh he said quote i've been sober for over three years art is my main therapy he paints a lot his Art is pretty cool looking, actually. He's a pretty good painter. He says he even, he was making a living. Garden Grove, California commissioned a $20,000 mural for him to paint.

And he did that. He said, me and the city have certain reputations. It's true. But I want to go beyond that. I want this to be about art. This piece, this piece just feels so right. First time I heard about it, I knew I was the right one for the job. It's one of the biggest things I've ever done.

He didn't say fuck it all. Yeah. So he must mean it. Cleaned it up. That's pretty good. He says everything with the way his dad raised him is fine. All is fine. He's good now.

Yeah. Now he's fine. Okay. 2014 is the $20 thousand dollar Garden Grove mural. He talks about his wife and two young kids a lot. He teaches art and painting to kids at some community center. He's donating his time. He's doing things really well.

Everything's going wonderfully. Two thousand fifteen. He's separated from his wife. Yeah. Okay. She's had enough of this perfect life. It's a little weird. Yeah.

The kids live with her in Orange County during the school year. from his wife yeah okay she's had enough of this perfect life it's a little weird yeah uh the kids live with her in orange county during the school year todd sees him on the weekends and has them for a bunch of the summer uh he says i survived my addiction but my marriage didn't as the way he put it in february of 2016 they're talking to him about johnny manziel oh good uh they talk about johnny manziel's second rehab stint with, and he's saying it doesn't work all the time. He said, quote, I had no chance. Does he? I don't know.

The only thing I can say is you can't do this alone. And if he's struggling to be successful, you have to have a support group around you and be honest with the few people and tell them exactly what's going on. That's his thing there. So he's doing great. February of 2016, he's the authority tobruary of 2016 he's he's the he's the you know the authority to talk to about a fuck up right guy kind of like first right yeah i was gonna say kind of like ryan leaf is doing now and he did before and then fucked up and now he's fine again now uh august 19th 2016 let's talk about that uh irvine police are called at about 9 p.m regarding a quote naked person seen

on a trail oh no uh he's doing great yeah just just great you mean todd we'll be right over who todd is he is he a ginger ginger oh no is he freckly uh officers were sent to ventus spur trail to investigate and while looking for him they heard noises from a backyard off of the road here so the uh they look over and they find todd completely naked yeah in somebody else's backyard who he does not know uh this is the second time in crime and sports history this has happened where uh stanley wilson's kid end up ended up in backyard, not knowing what's going on. In a fountain. Trying to open the sliding glass door to get inside. Oh, no.

Imagine seeing a bright fucking white ginger naked dick at your sliding glass door trying to open it. A meth head. Yeah. That is the... A naked, meth-y fucking intruder. Ginger is the scariest thing I could ever think of in my life. That's a horror movie happening in front of you. So, yeah. Is this what Jason looks like without the mask?

Is this it? This is it. Without all the big coat and shit. So they don't know him. He's trying to get in there. Now, what they find near him is a brown paper bag containing weed, meth, syringes. And just to make sure you know it's his, his wallet and driver's license in the bag also.

I just want them to know it's mine so they don't take it. He has life together long enough to get a license for fuck's sake. But he has no clothes on. Right. He put everything in a bag and then was like,

I don't need pockets and just fucking walked out of his house. Why are you naked? Put fucking clothes on. Yeah. What are you naked? Put fucking clothes on. What are you doing? What possibly could make him put all of his stuff in a bag and not have clothes? I don't understand how you had a bag but not pants. Well, you can't put these.

Why is your wallet in with your drugs? That's so easy. Do you see? Where the fuck else would I put it? Where am I going to put it? That's what I'm saying. I've done run out of places to put it. I've run out of fucking places to put it? That's what I'm saying. I've done run out of places to put it. I've run out of fucking places to put it.

That's why. So he's charged with public nudity, possession of meth, possession of drug paraphernalia, public attempted aggravated trespass of a residence, and trespassing with interference of property rights, along with one possession of marijuana, which was still a thing there. So what the fuck happened there? possession of marijuana which was still a thing there so what the fuck happened there uh turns out he showed up uh at he showed up to pick up his daughter uh or his kids naked uh no no a few days before that his ex there alex was convinced that he was using drugs again she said i could tell by the way he looked his beard was gone and his face looked like a skeleton uh uh so he says

uh uh three days later she he uh he returned the children she still gave him the kids though i think he's on meth but i'm gonna give him the kids she said he brought the kids back and he said uh she insisted that he stay there with the kids for a few days because he obviously needed a place to stay and he was a fucking disaster so he stayed until august 16th which was the day of that incident right he left and then came back the next day and didn't fucking mention it didn't say a word so in beat this is what he was doing he was staying with his ex-wife and his kids and then he left naked with his shit in a bag took off got arrested came back to the house and was like oh

i'm back now oh boy never fucking mentioned it uh it's so weird he walked in naked he walked yeah they were with a bag yeah uh she said that when her when she says quote when he is clean and sober he's a wonderful dad but is haunted by his addiction he seems to self-sabotage he feels great he feels it isn't deserving of love and having good things happen to him his biggest worry is that people will judge him well they have judged him and that's the problem so he's fucking he's goddamn wandering around he's trying to figure it out they give him i mean he's got a place to stay there they give him a little something to have and he's sitting there and he's he's a fucking rock bottom man this is pretty steep it's bad and then he hears a knock on the door yeah and he's like who the fuck is that is that hoping somebody i don't know maybe they have, who the fuck is that? Is that somebody?

I don't know. Maybe they have more meth for me. Is that more meth? And it's not. It's the Mexican pimp. No, no. And he's standing there, guns blazing. And he says.

How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? I do not understand. You have everything. You have the kidney to suck on as a child. Your father's undying attention. This is disgusting. You get to go to the Raiders, which, believe me, in my culture, is the highest honor you can get.

It is all of our favorite teams. It is wonderful. But now you have screwed up so much, I cannot even treat you like a man. Instead, I will do what... I am a pimp, you know, so I am going to sell you to another man. I am selling you right now.

Here he is. Hello there, Todd. I like the fact that you already don't have a shirt on, so we're already right here, Todd. I see you right here. You got no shirt on. You do need to put some pants on. How about this?

Why don't you put these overalls on? There you go. You're a clean slate. You put the overalls on. You take the tops on. No shirt, Todd. No shirt. Keep the shoes off and you can skateboard to the ring.

You're going to be a hillbilly,ie skateboarder beach person it's gonna be amazing you're gonna yeah yeah it's gonna be good and you're gonna sexually assault people and shoot up in the corner it's gonna be amazing oh my god poof you've already been to rehab in a poof of pyro and rockoids and heavy bass lines. He's gone. And Todd is very confused, and he's still very naked also. Yes. So January 17, 2017, he's at court for that incident.

It was scheduled for December 20, and then it was arraigned later on. His attorney says he checked into a drug rehab center, and he needed, quote, time to establish communication with his client and all that. So that's why there was a delay. He's like, look, he's in rehab. I can't even fucking talk to the guy. Help me here. So March of 2017, he's in court. And if he can stay clean, he won't have to serve any jail time. Right.

What? You just easy. Wow. Okay. We're for the meth and the naked trespassing incident here uh he pleads guilty to charges of unlawful public nudity drug possession and trespassing and a bunch of other little ones here he's sentenced to 90 days in jail but he can avoid that jail time if he spends six months in outpatient rehab facility. And yeah, so also three years probation, which is an issue for him.

And yeah, so he can't get in any trouble there. So he's on probation. It's a fucking mess. His attorney says he's been in positive, clean spirits. He's been clean and in positive spirits since his arrest. He said, quote, he's in positive and in good spirits, and he wants to be held accountable for what he did. He's looking for. I'm sure that's what he was saying.

I really want to be arrested. I want to be arrested naked. That's what I want. Can you make me just do my time? I've done the crime. I'm responsible. You know, somebody said when they found him in the backyard, they went, Todd, don't make us wrestle you. Come on, Todd.

Fuck, dude. You're naked, bro. Jesus, man. dude, you're naked, bro. Jesus, man. So August of 2017, he is, I guess, there's a divorce going on with his ex-wife

and all that sort of thing. But he says that he's doing much better, sober now. He says, quote, my kids are my major motivator for me moving out to the desert to try to change my life. I don't know if I would have done it

if they weren't here, but 100% I think kids for somebody that's struggling with the illness is a motivator. Is that enough? No. But seeing them get older so quickly, it was a real blow to me to see that they were just babies and now kindergarten, first, second, third grade. I saw their childhood slipping before my eyes and I said, I got to do something before I miss it.

So September 7, 2017, fluff pieces abound. Oh boy. childhood slipping before my eyes and i said i gotta do something before i miss it so september 7 2017 fluff pieces abound oh boy he's doing great what a great everything's perfect now oh my god he's doing amazing he's found god now he's found she's broken another rule he got married at the wrong time went home fucking found god he's fucking it all up here don't get naked outside all these rules uh he said that he's connected with God. He said the best way for me to describe it, and it makes sense to me, but it might not to you, is that addiction is not about the drugs and alcohol. That's just a symptom of the real problem.

The real problem is a separation from oneself. A separation from all the people that love me and a separation from the creator. You feel isolated and alone, and the solution is reconnecting to the source. So I learned about God in my upbringing, but this is the first time I've actually practiced to improve the actual relationship. Wow. Okay. So he says he has a morning routine. He does meditation and then he golfs.

Oh, boy. He says he golfs like crazy and golfs oh boy he says he's a golfs like crazy and golfs and golfs and golfs uh he said one day i quote i said you know what i think it'd be cool to take a golf lesson i'm an athletic guy i have a good i have good eye hand eye coordination so i took one golf lesson and was hooked not surprising since we all know i have an addictive personality yeah uh they said i would go on the golf course at like 4.30 or 5 in the morning. I was having to wait for the sun to come up, so I got some glow-in-the-dark golf balls, and I'm out there smacking it around, and it was my morning meditation.

Walk by myself to where I could just sit and talk to God, and I did that religiously for months. So even when I'm not in the desert and I go to a golf course, there something special about walking on the grass i get this kind of sense of ease that the desert first opened my eyes to uh at this point he starts kind of reconnecting with his dad uh which is weird uh marv is having a lot of problems marv has alzheimer's at this point and is having some serious issues with memory and his health deteriorates and deteriorates and deteriorates. It's a brutal thing, man. Marv gets $1,260.20 a month from Social Security and $44.05 from the NFL

because he played in one game in 1965. They also get help from a few of the athletes that Marv helped train including troy palomalu sends him money because he helped train him he was one of his guys there so september 2017 everything's great he's gonna play football again at 48 he's gonna play uh for the socal coyotes of the world developmental League. Here are their teams as of right now. They are. That is not a team anymore.

The SoCal Coyotes. They're already folded. Done. I got the Carolina Snipers, the East Georgia Hurricanes, the Georgia Thunder, the Recon Militia. What the fuck that's about. And the Virginia Wildcats who have a Carolina Panther logo. Yes.

That was five teams. That's it. That's who's playing. Every week a team has a bye week? You're off this week, guys. You're the refs now. Jesus. On the league's website, it says, quote,

expansion opportunity. Your team could be in the WDFL. Guys, we could have a crime and sports football team. Hell yes. We could have the WDFL. Guys, we could have a crime and sports football team. Hell yes. We could have the Phoenix Felons. Now, if we could do this, that would be amazing. I don't know how much it costs to run a football team. These guys aren't paid. I know

that. They're not paid. It's free. It's free. So we have to provide equipment. I assume some sort of insurance for a case of death or some shit. But let's do this. Can they play in just like construction hard hats? Because I'll buy those. They can play in just like construction uh hard hats because i'll buy those they can play in my yard it's not that big but you know what do your thing so you know uh now he says here quote gosh just thinking about it now i've hit some pretty low spots in my journey

thus far but the arrest in august of last year was a whole new level uh he said it was embarrassing for him he can't wait to to play in this game. He said he sat in lockup last August and he sobered up and started to take a serious look at his life. He saw all the things that were embarrassing to him and he realized it was time to do something else. He said, I didn't have any options anymore. I knew I needed treatment and that's where it all began. I call it the gift of desperation and the self-loathing of being at the bottom that's why i'm here at the desert his sister tracy says quote i ignored the whole thing who cares what is he doing get a real job that's his sister who is ferris bueller sister his sister jennifer gray said what are you doing

get a real job who cares about about Ferris? Fuck him. So, yeah, he plays. It is Shadow Hills High School is where they play this game versus the California Sharks. 7 p.m. on a Saturday. Ten dollar donation at the door. So not even required. Yeah, he he threw seven touchdowns for them on that day. And it was the first football game of any sort. He that he's played sober uh since he was 15 years old and they won 73 to nothing

holy shit 73 to nothing they got he got seven touchdowns that means they kicked one field goal the whole game kept throwing them kept fucking going had runners uh yeah these players no payers players are paid the uh the one of the heads of the league says quote they play for the tape which they play to get on tape to send to these nfl teams with hopes that italian talent evaluators and paying leagues will give them a shot uh so uh uh he never plays again for the team despite that great game one game great game never plays again uh both he and the team cite a shoulder injury that keeps him from because he's 48 right it's a lot to be throwing the ball around

like that uh he says this comeback has very little to do with football is what the uh the coach of the team says uh he says quote if there's a relapse everyone will blame us we're taking all the risk so he says uh uh they are a self-professed faith-based organization. So they're going to put God around him. He plays in a church league. That's right. Still sober? Yeah.

Well, yes, looks like it. My experience with sobriety before was avoiding people in places and things. And if I was in that type of situation where there was drinking, I was missing it and I'd be white knuckling it the whole time. And that's no way to live. So now I can be around it if it's for a particular reason and uh if you do the work the problem you've been struggling with your whole life you'll be removed and you don't have to shy away from the situations that you used to enjoy like concerts so uh yeah he says uh he knows there's doubters like you know me and you me and you, that sort of thing here.

He says, though, he has a playbook now that allows him to respond to life. And that's the deal. And it's all good. He's totally fine. He says when he returns to Orange County with his kids, though, he picks up weed again because he says that relaxes him. But it's not that never legal. That was never his problem either. That was the other thing, too.

He was in a weed legal place. He's like, this is cool. I can just buy fucking weed. Then he says, because he talks about this, he says, quote, I get too worked up with speed. I got to bring it down with smoking a little heroin. Now I'm done. That's chemistry.

That's what he would do. March 9th, 2018, test positive for meth. Oh, Jesus. positive for meth. Oh, Jesus. Positive for meth. Enters a detox center for a two to three week stay, but he leaves against the staff's advice on March 16th. Apparently, he had been subjected to some random drug testing, but he came in on his own to the office and told his probation officer, he said, I'm dirty. You know, test me. I've been doing shit. on his own to the office and told his probation officer he said i'm dirty you know test me i've

been doing shit uh so uh she sends him to detox for one week but on the seventh day he takes off he takes off they said he was going for a walk and he and he took off uh they said quote his probation officer said that he was making no progress and quote despite being out on bail and facing uh custody time the probationer continues to use illegal substances uh march 19 2018 arrested again uh this is uh use of heroin fails a heroin piss test uh here fair so now it's meth and now heroin too he said i've been running for my addiction for years and it definitely came a time especially after the arrest and the humiliation that it brought that i need to get better he says this every time it doesn't work march 23rd 2018 he is arrested yeah uh and he remains again so that's three times in the first quarter of 2018 in march in a week yeah uh he remains in custody at the uh santa

anna uh men's jail in Santa Ana. This is the same city where he played his freshman and sophomore high school years. March 31st, 2018. He's in court. And I don't fucking. You, sir, might as well. May fuck off. 90-day jail sentence for violating probation there.

And yeah, it was probation still. He's on probation from being naked in the backyard a couple years ago. He gets credit for eight days served, though. September 2018, he is in the Raiders Oakland Coliseum parking lot signing autographs for the fans. The Raiders stuck him out there. They stick him in a Raiders polo and a hat and stick him out there. He's going to sign some fucking autographs it's retro oh boy uh so he's got his kid there and while he's signing autographs his kid is being watched by his new girlfriend who is remember larry larry

smith his coach in college remember his daughter who had a problem that's who todd's with oh no todd's with his coach's daughter who was in high school's who todd's with oh no todd's with his coach's daughter who was in high school having a drug problem at the time he was in college that's why i brought her up earlier obviously uh so she says quote spiritually he's my equal that's what she says i don't know what that means she was addicted to alcohol opiates and cocaine she said a decade ago she was serving time on a federal drug charge when her father died. When she was released for the memorial service, she said that she thought it was a good excuse to use for the rest of her life.

But she ended up becoming clean and sober and becoming a sober coach in Phoenix, of all places. She connected with Todd in the spring at the suggestion of one of his USC teammates saying maybe you could help him, and she said, I'll help him, all right. I'll help him get that ginger cock right out of his pants again. Yeah. He says their relationship works because he says, quote,

I don't have to explain myself. She gets it. Yeah. So late 2018, his family is prodding him and prodding him into going to rehab. Allie says she'll support him, but that she's going to put their romantic relationship on hold until he gets his shit together. Yeah. Because if you're sober and you're trying to stay sober, you can't be with someone who's doing this. So, yeah.

She says he meets her halfway between their homes which is in palm desert yeah if you know between phoenix and la uh leaves his car there and he goes into hers they drive to arizona uh where she says she tells him he's got two options for rehab one is a two-week program uh it will cost she says he says okay she says it'll cost four thousand dollars so he says never mind yeah not doing that i cost $4,000. So he says, nevermind. Yeah. Not doing that. I don't have for it.

That's a lot of boats. Right. That's a fuckload of boats. That's a, yeah, a lot. Is it a thousand? What is that? It's a thousand. Well, that would be four.

Right. If it was a thousand, it'd be $4. Oh. So minus 10. So it's a hundred. It's a hundred. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. It's $40.

It's a lot though. Still, that's a month. A lot of boats. Yeah. Shitload of boats. Option number two was granite mountain behavioral health care in prescott valley which is nice up there uh i guess her friend runs it and he said he'll help cover the cost uh because he was uh he's a usc along and a huge

raider fan and a big raider fan and also a naked ginger yeah uh but this program lasts 60 to 90 days he says no it's too much time to be away from the kids uh he says take me to my car she says i'm not taking you to your fucking car so she takes him to the airport he goes and checks in gets a plane ticket fucking checks his luggage in and then he decides never mind and he calls her up and says come back and get me fucking gets back in the car yeah uh yeah back in the car gets all his shit off the back off the plane everything like that and uh yeah uh she i guess he's a fucking disaster and uh he's a crying sobbing mess and she has to help him to rehab basically

and that's the last we've heard about him that is late 2019 2018 probably prescott i would imagine and he's up there. Right now, who the fuck knows? He could be naked in your backyard with a bag of heroin, or he could be stone sober playing on the swings with his kids. No fucking idea. And it could change. Tomorrow.

Tomorrow could change. Should have already changed. We just haven't heard about it yet. From the show, from the beginning of the show, it could have changed to now. So who knows? Can't get enough of Todd Marinovich. It's got to be everywhere.

Oh, boy. You can follow Todd Marinovich on twitter yeah he is at todd marinovich really easy to find uh he is following 68 people he has uh 3089 followers all right not bad he has tweeted 590 times so he does tweet here and there mostly about his artwork yeah which you can buy at todd marinovich.com he got that he got that todd marinovich.com he has his artwork up there for sale there uh you can also go to amazon where they have a uh of an autographed nfl football here with you know the proof of everything 119.99 plus free shipping so 120 bucks that's ste's steep. Yeah, well in NFL football that itself is $50-$40 there. So, you know, $80 autograph. Ruining it.

One in stock, so order soon here. And I found his net worth, which we know how reliable those are. They say I have millions of dollars, which, good God, I don't. They have my comedy clips on it. Yeah, which is amazing. His net worth, $20,000 is what he's listed at now.

So he's got seven cents. And that's like a bunch of bicycles, I think, and a skateboard. He's got like 40 boats worth of money. Yeah, it's plenty of boats, dude. It's plenty. 50 boats he's got. Well, that would be 4,000 to 100, so that would be times 500 boats. It's a lot of boats, bro.

So that is Todd Marinovich. And the tale, it's just a crazy fucking story, man. That's the worst one we've ever covered. It's so disastrous. It's a guy just so back and forth and back and forth. Did he ever have a chance? No. That's the thing.

I don't think he ever had a chance because he never had a chance to develop into a human being of his own making. Ever. So, yeah. He just never had it. He never had a chance to develop into a human being of his own making they never junior so yeah he just never had it he never had it's just what i mean this is a guy where you like you want to punch him but you also want to fucking go dude that is miserable yeah i get it this is sorry like i i look at him the same way as i look at some of our people that grew up like without a floor right like willie mays akins or something like he had no running water or floor in the house like i look at this kind of the same way it's like the opposite like i said it's the extreme end of the spectrum the other way which is just as damaging what happens that's that's what happens i guess is the answer when you when you have a goal your kid to do something right and that's

not their goal that's it that wasn't his dream if it ain't their dream every once in a while the kid will just have that thing where that is their fucking dream and their dad's like you got a john elway right john elway that's all he wanted to do that was his dream was baseball and football and his dad was a fucking coach and encouraged it and it and it worked yeah he's not john elway no john elway has he still has an unending desire to be around football and draft poorly right this fucking guy he doesn't care he doesn't want to be around football and draft poorly. This fucking guy, he doesn't care. He doesn't want to be around football. He wants to be an artist.

That's it. He likes art. He doesn't give a fuck. He said, all I want to do is be an artist. He told his USC coach that when he was leaving. He was like, I just want to do art. I don't even care about this shit. I don't care about money.

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First name. They go by Rizzo. You mentioned them before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you remembered. Yeah. And you were right. Yeah, Riz. Lauraura i don't remember what it was but you're she sent something saying or he i don't know yeah and they mentioned that you were you were right laura sauder lindsey bennett pamela pamela rogers uh casey huffman uh aj aj viera uh barbara livingston chuck with no last name dario with no last name jeslyn stalker

uh dan dan dan neimer that's a fucking cool name that feels it's not bad it's a fun one dan neimer dan neimer that sounds like a swear word it's got the name right yeah it's nice uh christina christina uh listland uh lord loridson lorid oh it's, that's a three-word name. That's what that is. Christina Lisland Loridson. That's what it is. Chris Knowles, probably no relation to Beyonce. Kim LaDuke.

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I doubt there's no one named that. Yeah. Hannah Simmons, Julianna Hopper, Cheryl Dodge, Matt Kerr, Alec Richie, Ashley Veo, James Lombardo, Gage Simmons, Penny Coleman, Jody DeGarcy. No, DeGasari. DeGasari. All right. I don't know. There you go.

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We have all that. We have some crazy ones coming up. We have Daryl Strawberry. We have Metal World Peace. We have metal world peace we have uh uh carrie von eric the wrestler which is a whole von eric family mess and uh we have a bunch of other wrestlers i don't know if there's enough on chamorro because he got acquitted oh i watched the whole trial he got acquitted he won 100 diddle deck girl yeah from based on my opinion uh in the bathroom uh but they, just not enough. So they didn't... I didn't realize he was acquitted. Yeah, I watched the whole trial. It was terrible.

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