Crime in Sports - #16 - The Vampire Gigolo Slayer - The Gullibility of Evangelos Goussis

Episode Date: May 17, 2016

This week, we take a look at an Australian former Olympic boxing hopeful, and kickboxing champion that couldn't resist the allure, and glamour of heroin dealing, cleaning up after brutal knif...e attacks, murdering, and the everyday duties of being muscle for the underworld. Plus, three murder trials, and men with nicknames like "The Bulgarian" and "The Vampire Gigolo"!! It's a super sized episode, for hell of a tale!Climb out of the ring, slip into your ski mask, and pull off a hit with Evangelos Goussis!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:33 so much for joining us again. Welcome back! Welcome back. Hope you enjoyed last week. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back, Durbano. A shit-mace song. Yeah, that was bad. The Welcome Back Durbano last week, we should have called it. That was, D'Urbano. A shit-may song. Yeah, that was bad. The Welcome Back, D'Urbano last week. We should have called it. That was, I loved Steve D'Urbano.
Starting point is 00:01:49 He was so fun. He was so much fun. You don't get a better psychopath than that. And just such an indignant death. It's so sad. The whole thing was sad. Terribly sad. This guy tonight that we have,
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Starting point is 00:03:53 So here we go. This week. Yes, that is. Okay, let's go. We have, this is our, probably our most dangerous person that we've encountered. I mean, Robert Rozier was pretty dangerous. Don't get me wrong. But he was still just going around stabbing people that were like sort of, whatever.
Starting point is 00:04:06 It's a cult. It's a cult. It's a cult thing. I mean, you know, Bruno de Sousa had like a hit squad. But it was like his jerk-off cousin and some guy named Bola. It wasn't anything spectacular. This has it all. This is a failed potential.
Starting point is 00:04:22 This is organized crime. And a vile violence yeah and yeah he's just this guest this guy he is but you'll see from what i he's in he's a it's a tale of a gullible chap we'll say okay but uh not an innocent gullible chap at all but he's uh that's the sad thing too he's not dumb like a lot of our criminals. So how many dumb criminals have we had so far, honestly? Snook is an idiot. Ray Carruth and Lawrence Phillips seem like morons. Like, Jason Williams was pretty smart.
Starting point is 00:04:55 You know, a lot of these guys are pretty smart. Even Eddie Johnson is very smart. I guess the dumbest is the fucking swindler that just everybody just listens to. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. The fuck's his name? Lenny Dykstra. Lenny Dykstra. He's about as dumb as it gets because he's pretty stupid, but he figured out somehow to take that stupidity and make it work for him. I'd like to see him and Jimmy Snuka have like an IQ contest and see who wins that one.
Starting point is 00:05:20 A couple of psychopaths. Lenny Dykstra and Snooka in a spelling bee. Oh, God. That'd be amazing. That would not last long. They'd be out quickly with their names. Yeah. Lenny? Shit, I don't know. I don't read books bad for my eyes.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Can't hit. Spell restaurant. Spell fucking receiver. Spell receiver. Go back and if you're new, go back and listen to all these other episodes so you know what the hell we're talking about because we're going to reference these people a lot. Tonight's person of the week, our scum of the week,
Starting point is 00:05:47 our idiot of the moment, is a gentleman named Evangelos Goussis. All right. Okay, he goes by Ange Goussis. Everybody calls him Ange. He is a kickboxer and a boxer.
Starting point is 00:06:00 A very promising kickboxer and boxer. Let's start from the beginning with him. He is a psychopath, number one. And he is a fighter. We'll get into all of this. He's born on September 14th, 1967.
Starting point is 00:06:13 He's from the USSR. He was born in Tashkent, USSR, which is in Uzbekistan, current day. Yeah, he was in that whole thing. His parents were Greek immigrants. Yeah, this is in the 60s, so this is hardcore communism. Yeah, before Al-Qaeda ruined the USSR. This is communism right here. Did your phone just go off?
Starting point is 00:06:34 Sorry, that was my phone. I apologize, you guys. My God, Jimmy Wissman. Done. Good Lord. Crime and sports listeners, let's all send out an evil vibe to Jimmy Wissman's wife right now for interrupting the show. That is ridiculous. His parents were Greek immigrants.
Starting point is 00:06:50 His father was a resistance fighter against the Nazis in Greece, actually, during World War II. And then he was fighting for the leftist communists in Greece in the Greek Civil War that followed World War II. He was a real fighter. He's a fighter, the father. Apparently in Greece there, the right-wing side won, so his father took the family to the USSR. All right. That's why that happened.
Starting point is 00:07:14 That is where young Anagousis was born. So they lived in the USSR. They came up like that. Her father served three years in the Russian Army. He worked as a bricklayer. How depressing is that? the Russian army. He worked as a bricklayer. How depressing is that? Working as a Russian bricklayer. Yeah, very struggling life.
Starting point is 00:07:31 That's what he grew up with. You can't even picture color in that picture. That's just gray. It's a lot of black and white and vodka. A lot of vodka, my friend. A lot of vodka. That was the next thing. His brother said on his brother's...
Starting point is 00:07:44 He has an older brother that we are going to talk a lot to tonight and his older brother i feel for this guy so bad so much because i have two older brothers and one of them was a bit of a nudnik in his younger years and you just go jesus christ i want to slap the shit out of this fucking kid and his brother just repeatedly through his whole life is he's just the most frustrated man ever. And we're going to hear a lot of quotes from him, and they're amazing. His quote on them in Russia was, like everybody else, we were struggling but happy. Is that the most Russian comment ever? Sounds about right, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:15 It's so like, we were okay with it, though. It was, you know, we lived on potato skins. We stitched our own clothes back together, but it was fine. We had our clothes. So they moved to Australia when he's eight years old. When the Lange is eight years old, they moved to Australia. He doesn't speak English. They save up enough bricklaying money to get to Australia.
Starting point is 00:08:32 That's a long trip. They had family over there, too. Apparently there's a large Greek population in Australia. I don't know how large, but a prominent, there's a bunch of them, a good group of Greek immigrants in Australia. Hairy yogurt-eating people. Very, a lot of hairy yogurt mixed in with sunburnt blonde people.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Australia, we apologize. As you might notice from other episodes, we don't know. We are not very cultured. Well, we're not cultured with other cultures, or really ours either, so we're not very cultured. But Australia, we really know shit about you guys.
Starting point is 00:09:04 We know nothing. We've seen Mad Max. we know paul hogan outside of that i don't know what you guys got going on your two most famous people in america both have the word crocodile in their name yeah and one of them carries a big knife and the other one was stabbed to death by an animal not a that's all we know about australia we don't know a lot right um we do know oh i saw this documentary once on this small town in australia that was like in the middle of the outback because australia is pretty much like arizona it's just a big arizona with but with coasts on the side you know it's an island so around it's like beautiful around the edges and then the middle is a fucking wasteland and hence mad max you know the middle is just a wasteland and these people live in the wasteland oh and it's literally the end of a railroad track is in the town like it's just
Starting point is 00:09:50 you're just there to die and it looked like the most depressing place in the world and uh these people just called each other constantly and it was pretty amusing to watch so that's that's australia in my mind so we're gonna try not to savage your culture too badly. We'll do our best. He learns English pretty quickly. He goes to Thornberry High. I don't know where the hell that is, but he went to Thornberry High. It's in Australia. Sounds British. He became an excellent student, actually.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Well, Australia is a, you know. Yeah, he caught, right. So he became an excellent student, actually. They were very impressed with him. They say he's a good footballer. Now, i don't know what that means in australia because obviously if we're talking about uk that means soccer but in australia they also have australian rules football so i don't know if that's right i mean that
Starting point is 00:10:32 sort of they're different jesus christ sorry guys if we're slaughtering this i just remember watching australian rules football on espn when i was a kid and there'd be a white like a guy in a white suit like a like a suit like a formal suit like like like he was you know uh tom wolf or something and is like at a white suit and like a white fedora and when the score would happen he just put his hand up in the air once and i think he was smoking cigarettes that's like the most interesting man in the world is the ref yeah they just they'd stand perfectly still like statues at the end and they'd put their fingers
Starting point is 00:11:07 up like goal or touchdown or field goal or whatever the fuck it is I don't even know I watched hours of that shit never figured out a rule not one
Starting point is 00:11:15 so I think it's just madness either way he's the captain of multiple sports teams so I mean he's a charismatic guy he's a smart guy he He's a smart guy. He's a good, you know.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Had a rough upbringing, but his parents were around. His parents were around? I mean, they're Russian, Greek-Russian immigrants. His father's, you know, been in countless wars. Yeah. Slit, God knows how many slow throats of the right wing. Who the hell knows? Picture a man with lots of calluses. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:41 On like his forearms, too. Everywhere. Just a callus. Picture a callused forehead. He's everywhere just a callus picture a calloused forehead just he's just just an angry callus that's what he is my father was an angry callus when i grew up so here's a quote from his brother who we're going to get so many quotes from and i love this man and i feel for him his brother uh says about him this is all he's doing great and all of a sudden in high school this happens he says quote but he didn't want to go to school no more.
Starting point is 00:12:05 He wanted to move to technical school. It was disappointing to the family. We said, you've got more options in life if you get an education. You try to put him on the right track, but how much can you tell him? He'd agree with you. He'd understand what you were talking about. But the minute he'd walk out that door, see somebody else, he'd forget the whole conversation.
Starting point is 00:12:26 This is this guy. This is a hard-headed man no he's just like he's he just forget the whole conversation it's just in one ear and out the other yeah he's got this thing there's a there's an ego there where he like wants to be a big shot and he wants to be a tough guy and he's very easily led and a lot of people say this about him that he's very easily led but he's but of people say this about him, that he's very easily led. But he's set in his ways? No. He probably agreed with his brother. It seems like at the time, he's like, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:12:52 No, you're totally right. I don't know what I'm thinking. But then when he walked out the door and did something else, he'd be like, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I was going to go to the other school. I don't care. So it's just in and out the other with this guy. He's just thick. So he leaves Thornberry.
Starting point is 00:13:05 He goes to Richmond Tech for a year where he was an apprentice motor mechanic, which that's not what you want to do with the rest of your life. Probably at 16. After a year of that school, he moves to a sheet metal company, sheet metal and electrical.
Starting point is 00:13:18 He does sheet metal work for an electrical engineering company that makes custom switchboards. So he's doing that. He's apparently making decent money. Doing union work. Yeah, he's doing blue-collar work here, making good money. Loved boxing, though.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Was super into boxing. And this is when we get into the boxing. Right away, he's a badass. I mean, he's really good. He gets in at age 15 in 1983. It's when he started dabbling. By the time he was working in the sheet metal factory and everything. Was he in a weight class at all?
Starting point is 00:13:48 He's a middleweight. And we'll get to that later on too with his kickboxing at the time. By 16 he's winning kickboxing titles already. And he wasn't even that experienced. Middleweight is right around 160? I think middleweight in boxing is like 167 I think.
Starting point is 00:14:03 So I don't know what it is in kickboxing, but in the ballpark of that, yeah. He's considered a natural by everybody that sees him. He's really aggressive. He's got an aggressive, hard-headed style, and he can take a punch. Solid and athletic. Yeah, a great left hook, everybody says, and just very aggressive, which is what you want. At 16 years old, his brother, same brother who we hear countless, takes him to a man named Paul Fieri's house.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Paul Fieri is our ding, ding, ding, ding, our silver-haired, middle-aged white man of the week, folks. He is the silverest, middle-aged, just whitest man you can get. I'm going to assume no relation to Guy. I sure as hell hope not. He looks like an old Italian guy sitting there, basically, in those interviews I saw with him. I'm going to take you to Youngtown. But he goes there, and this guy, he's got a great gym.
Starting point is 00:14:55 It's a big gym in his house type of thing. And his brother had been working as a corner man, and he boxed a little, too. All right. But Fieri took immediate notice of Ang's talent right away, Angelo's talent. Fieri said of him, quote, he was quite relaxed, which is something you have to have. It's just born in you.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Just relaxed and he threw his punches nicely. He could take punches without getting upset about it. You could see he had a style about it. All right. That's a big compliment from an old boxing man. You could see he had a style about it. He went in there, he knew what he was doing. He's patient, he'll take one to the chin because he's going to find an opportunity for himself.
Starting point is 00:15:28 He's aggressive. And yeah, he's willing to take a punch to give a punch, which is a huge deal. He's no bum. He's no bum, this guy. Yeah, he's not. He's just this guy. Oh, God, it's amazing. So his brother also says he was a good technician, you know, real good with his hands.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Technically sound. Everything he did, he was good at. That's the thing. He is. He's smart talented he's a he's wait this is the such potential that never he's good at everything he's good at everything except a few things later on that we get into unfortunately for him it turned out to be the most important things that he could have been good at for his future freedom that he was not very good not good enough um so he said that uh you know fieri worked with him a lot on the technical skills wanted to be technical sound but his brother would advise him to not leave it in the hands of the ref yeah get the knockout basically and this guy was laying down more than happy to
Starting point is 00:16:18 oblige with that because he's aggressive as shit he wins his first four amateur fights by knockout all right and quick too within you know is there anything of him on youtube i want to watch really no no damn it um he got a nice write up in a paper called the north coat leader all right you know fieri when they interviewed fieri years years later he still had the article up on his wall yeah about one of his up-and-coming you know students uh unfortunately he was in prison by then but yeah um it's always after the fact that they get the fluff piece it's true man so uh he keeps going 1987 he wins the inaugural lionel rose shield tournament which lionel rose is an australian boxer all right great it's a big deal it's like
Starting point is 00:16:59 no it's just like i think it's like an up-and-coming but it's like a golden gloves tournament i feel like that's that's what the equivalent that I got out of it was, a Golden Gloves type of thing. He was a contender to make the 88 Summer Olympic team that went to Seoul. He was actually on the squad, but didn't actually make the team. He won all three of his Olympic trial fights. Seoul was 88? Seoul was 88. 88 Seoul Olympics.
Starting point is 00:17:23 He won all three of his trial fights by KO in the first round, too. This is the year before the Olympics before the Dream Team in Barcelona? In Barcelona, 92. Exactly. Exactly. Dream Team guys, Australian people or anybody else might not know. That's when we decided to let our professional basketball players from America. So we unleashed the best team that's ever been assembled.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Just go and dunk on a bunch of tiny Lithuanian dudes and people like Jesus. And Asian guys staring up at Carl Malone's balls. Where do they get 6'11 black guys from is what everybody was saying. 400 years of breeding, that's what it is. Holy shit. We scared the shit out of the rest of the world.
Starting point is 00:18:01 He basically, I mean, he was a badass. I mean, he was a badass. I mean, he was doing so well, but he also noticed things when he was boxing. And this is a thing that keeps coming up with a lot of these boxers is they start to notice the people that hang around the boxing and the people who watch the fights and especially those people historically are shit bags, shit bags. And I feel like from the way this is, it sounds like their boxing at the time in Australia
Starting point is 00:18:27 was very similar to ours in like the 1940s. Like Raging Bull. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jake LaMotta. Right. You know, era of... There was a little Italian guy. Yeah, there was a...
Starting point is 00:18:35 Which one? The little Italian guy. Rocky Marciano. That's the one. Yeah, the champion. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. The heavyweight champ.
Starting point is 00:18:40 But I mean, it seems like it was like a dirty lot of gangsters hanging around. Yeah. And a lot of these fighters were taken in by that. Sure. Because they're struggling guys. And they got a lot of money. They're making it was a dirty lot of gangsters hanging around. A lot of these fighters were taken in by that because they're struggling guys. They got a lot of money. They're making 200 bucks a fight. These guys are sitting here with $30,000 watches on and they're like, Jesus Christ, I'm getting my face beat in here. What's going on? There's a bunch of moonshine being run in the Virginia Hills and those guys just got paid for it. This is a quote he said to him. His brother recalling a quote. He said, boxing is a mugs game now i assume mugs means a gangster all right that's what that means based on other things i read uh boxing is a mugs game you come across a lot you come across
Starting point is 00:19:15 a lot of different people so be careful don't get suckered in by somebody who's got a big name as a criminal or a tough guy or whatever he said he told his brother that because he knew his brother was impressionable like how about just throw some fucking fists and go home? That's, well... You know what I mean? Throw hands and don't get involved. I mean, granted, it was years down the road, but fucking Don King showed everybody how you can ruin a boxer.
Starting point is 00:19:37 You know what I mean? Yeah, you can. It's so easy. You absolutely can ruin a guy. Just throw hands, do you, and get the fuck out. And one of the guys that he ruined is a guy that he compares himself to. Fantastic. Here's a quote in their own words.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Here it comes. Fire up the music. In their own words from Angelo Goussis here about him as a boxer. Quote, Some say I have a brawl type of style, like Mike Tyson, the American heavyweight champion. But my idols are Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Robinson. Paul is pushing me along. He says I should be looking into international fights soon.
Starting point is 00:20:09 So, I mean, he's cocky, too. He's like, you know, some people say I'm like Mike Tyson, but I think I'm Marvin Hagler. I'm more of a Sugar Ray. I'm more of like, not even Leonard, Robinson, the really bad motherfucker from the 40s. So, I mean, he was really really really high on himself proud of himself and a lot of them were i mean they a lot of them were this is what his brother another quote from
Starting point is 00:20:31 his brother his brother said quote he could have been if not a world champion rating around there number two or three he could have been there with a big name a good life he had he could have had something to be proud of could have been fighting at at the MGM, contending for the title. Yeah, he could have just, he had something, he had it, but he's very distracted. He's like a nine-year-old kid with a little touch of the ADD, where no matter how much they're into something,
Starting point is 00:20:56 if they see something out of the corner of their eye, they have to go investigate. Yeah, what is that over there? You know the kid in Little League who was looking at bugs and flowers in the outfield and shit? He couldn't focus for four minutes. Or on the run, he's like,
Starting point is 00:21:09 is that a quarter? Yeah, on the bases sometimes, they zone out. That's what this guy reminds me of as an adult. Just staring at the stitching on his glove. Yeah, just... I could take it apart.
Starting point is 00:21:18 The ball drops next to it. I could take it apart. I could take this string out and just pull it apart. That's what it seems like, though, with this guy. He's like a distracted child. And by 1987, both his brother and Paul Fieri started seeing a change in him.
Starting point is 00:21:33 They said that his heart wasn't 100% in the ring anymore, and they're like, what the hell is going on with this guy? He's got everything he can do. I mean, you think about the Olympic trials thing. I mean, that's a pretty good test. You're going to the Olympic trials. Three first-round knockouts. He's beating the shit out of people.
Starting point is 00:21:48 He's the guy. He's a bad man. And all of a sudden he loses focus? And he loses focus. Fieri said, quote, he was a nice guy, but he was easily led. And I think that was one of his problems. He got involved with the wrong crowd. All right.
Starting point is 00:22:01 And this is where it starts, man. He's easily led except for when it comes to his family. Jesus, because they're trying to help him out. Yeah, they're trying. And they're listening to anybody except for the people that are close to him.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And this boxing manager and his boxing trainer is trying to lead him in the right direction. There's something wrong with this guy. He's got a silver-haired, middle-aged white gentleman
Starting point is 00:22:20 just begging to help him, guiding him along. He's got his brother, who I don't think had silver hair quite yet, but he was not quite middle-aged. Probably hasn't now. Soon to be. he's got his brother who i don't think had silver hair quite yet but he was not quite middle probably hasn't now soon to be it sounds like his brother may have given it to him oh my goodness so when uh this is when it all went downhill age 19 he stops working at the sheet metal factory to take a job as a bouncer through some people that
Starting point is 00:22:43 he knew in the boxing world that he found. He's the equivalent of the guy that is good at something but he keeps his shit job and then all of a sudden somebody throws him a pair of white Oakleys and all of a sudden he's just a douche. He's just an idiot.
Starting point is 00:22:58 He became a bouncer in Dandenong. I guess is the name of the town. His brother said that the nightclub was a huge drug spot, huge organized crime spot. He's already fallen in. He's fallen into it. He's 19, which I mean, a lot of 19-year-old kids are impressionable.
Starting point is 00:23:14 They want to be a badass. When you see money like that. Think about it. This guy came from... Hard Scrabble. This guy came from Uzbekistan. This guy came from bricklaying money. Do you understand what Uzbekistan is now?
Starting point is 00:23:27 Uzbekistan is where we take people that we think are terrorists to, like, boil their nutsack in a fucking vat of oil. That's where we take them to do that. It ends with Stan. It's not a nice place. It's not good. It's bad. It's not a fucking destination. He's from there when it's just a nice place. It's not good. It's bad. It's not a fucking destination.
Starting point is 00:23:48 He's from there when it's just a communist Russian country also. And like you said, his dad's a bricklayer who was in several different armies. World War II, then a Greek Civil War, then the Russian Army too. I mean, this guy is a... So, I mean, he's seen depression. He's seen shit. He's probably eaten burlap this morning. You know what I mean? So, he's seeing these guys
Starting point is 00:24:05 with all this fancy shit and I think he's going, wow, what am I doing? Even his brother and the boxing instructor and the boxing trainer there, those are good guys but they don't have
Starting point is 00:24:14 stuff like this. So I could see a 19-year-old impressionable kid being, I don't know, I wouldn't have done that when I was 19. Why work my ass off to be at the level
Starting point is 00:24:22 that my trainer is when I don't have to do shit and I can do what these guys do. And I gotta get my face beat in constantly. You know what I mean? These guys got diamond-encrusted watches. Absolutely. I mean, his brother said the gangsters
Starting point is 00:24:34 saw him in the ring and at the club and they asked if he wanted to work for him because they saw him and he's a badass. We could use a tough guy. Sure. And in the ring, yeah, they want to be, it's just like with everything else. If they want to be like him, he wants to be like them absolutely it's they all they're all
Starting point is 00:24:48 jealous of each other it's the same way actors all want to be athletes and the athletes all wish they could be actors drummer always wants to be the fucking lead singer that's and and he was influenced by these people his brother said quote he was influenced by maggots. So, I thought that's a great quote. He becomes such an idiot that he brings a known gangster to his parents' anniversary party. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:25:11 His brother loses his shit, pulls him aside, and he's like, who the fuck is this idiot? Why do you have two-finger Tommy in our parents' house? Who is this guy?
Starting point is 00:25:17 And he's like, no, he's all right. He's like, no, no, no, no. I know, I can tell who people are and this guy is not a nice man.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Throws him the papers, faces on the fucking cover. So, so he gets deeper into this. January 88, Gooses is being an errand boy at this point for a large heroin dealing ring. Like he's dropping off the heroin, or he's like roughing up people that don't want to buy? He's like a message guy. He's just a low-level shitbag. He's probably dropping money off or this or that.
Starting point is 00:25:43 There was a dealer that was apparently ripping off the organization a guy named richard bettany uh-huh um and uh goosis was instructed to pick him up and take him to this vacant house which is never good if you know if you're a heroin dealer and the people you're buying your heroin from pick you up and take you to any vacant building that's not netflix and chill night you should worry at that point there's a problem they're not taking you to white castle no there's no mcdonald's they're not picking up the new release yeah if you're not going to the water park as a surprise you're you're going bad things are gonna happen you're gonna lose a finger tonight this guy um yeah so this guy ended up being stabbed a shitload yeah got stabbed up real good
Starting point is 00:26:26 wow and uh uh goosis was tasked with mopping up the blood apparently in this whole scene if they can trust him uh so he didn't uh apparently now i don't know if he was a participant in the murder or not in this country in america if you pick a man up who's set to be murdered, take him to the place of the murder, and then clean up afterwards... You're guilty. You murdered. You're a murderer. It doesn't matter whether you stabbed him or not. You're involved in that.
Starting point is 00:26:54 You don't even have to have touched the knife. You're getting life with everybody else. But apparently in Australia, they're a lot more forgiving and understanding, really. more forgiving and understanding, really. In August of 1989, Justice George Hample said that Goossis only played a minor role in the attack. Oh, he only played a minor role in the attack. What, because he hit it with the mop and glow?
Starting point is 00:27:15 That's a pretty big fucking role. It's a big role. He covered up the fucking murder. He covered up a brutal stabbing. That's a big chunk. Like I said, in this country, that's considered a faux pas. That's homicide.
Starting point is 00:27:27 A societal faux pas, we'll call it. But apparently, like I said, this judge didn't say that. He said he was only, quote, a mere messenger in the drug game. So he was taken. Well, he took it as he's a smart kid, up and comer. He was just up for the Olympics last year. I mean, so he's looking at him with making some sympathy with the guy. He said, quote, the judge sentenced him to 18 months,
Starting point is 00:27:50 which was the minimum sentence he could receive for this. That is very kind. Yeah, it was attempted murder and all this shit. So Judge said he... The guy didn't die? I don't think he died, no. I don't think he died. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Judge said that he had, of Gooses, quote, excellent prospects of rehabilitation. This guy, I bet... Anything further that happens in this story, that judge absolutely has blood on his hands. He's complicit in it. That judge is a fucking idiot. Put it this way.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I would love to see this guy's stock portfolio because he is not a good... I'd love to see how much egg is on his face later in life. His fantasy football team probably sucks. He's just bad at judging things. His wife fucking hates him. His kids loathe him. His wife's a giant fat woman.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Based on his piss-poor judgment, it's amazing that he's, you know, a judge, which is really odd. You just wouldn't expect that, but... I don't know. That's how it works out sometimes. You know what I mean? How do you get that job being that terrible of a judge?
Starting point is 00:28:50 I feel he has excellent prospects. I feel like he was like a dog show judge and then somebody was just like... A dog show judge. He just filled out an application to be a justice. They're like, what's your qualifications? He's like, I've been a judge before. They're like, okay, you're in.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Yeah, you know poodles. They forgot to ask what he judged that's all he knows poodles it's fine he took the pepsi challenge or some shit i don't i do not believe this dog will piss on the floor so yeah they're like he's a good judge of character great judge um so during the trial goosis this is another bad it's just these little serendipitous things that happen where it's like damn it if only they didn't cross paths it's one of those things there's so many people throughout history where you just wish they didn't cross paths yeah and this is uh one of them here he meets a man named lewis kane during the trial and befriends him lewis kane will come up huge later terrible um yeah lewis kane was in court for kicking a man to death outside of a
Starting point is 00:29:46 nightclub in September of 1988. So you can tell what kind of nice gentleman he was. He invented kicking people to sleep. He kicked them good. So he was a little kicky. That's amazing. That's his pal. And I'm going to say this as we get into the
Starting point is 00:30:00 gangland things here. This was covered a lot in Australia. So I'm not going to get into too much. I'm going to give, for people who know nothing about it, I'm going to give a basic structure of like, this is the, these were factions that were fighting. But I'm not going to get into, this isn't a, it's about Gooses. It's not about the entire syndicate. They had a whole show in australia called under belly that was a that actually one of these trials delayed the release of because it was about this
Starting point is 00:30:30 it was basically australian sopranos pretty much and uh was it real or was it like still actors no it was it was a yeah it wasn't a documentary no it was a drama but like i think it was a based on all of these sure so um anyway so I'm not going to get into that. We're going to stick with him, and we're going to keep it to his role. Okay. And I'll get into anything in the syndicate if it's pertinent to Gooses' situation. Okay. Rather than just, because we could just go on for three days about a giant Australian underworld situation.
Starting point is 00:31:00 So far, I love this story. It gets way crazier. It gets so crazy nothing crazy has happened yet but it's we're getting crazy enough he didn't he didn't mop up blood he didn't help with a with a very serious assault he did and this this story's so crazy that as much as that's wild in my mind that is like that's that's like the pink flamingo out on the front lawn and there's like an entire house full of craziness and this there's just one little lawn thing sitting out there in the yard
Starting point is 00:31:29 that's all we've seen all right because these i'm telling you man this is one of those where i'm like yeah this this guy sounds crazy let's get into this and then i start doing research and i'm like oh holy shit there's more oh there's an organized crime holy shit now there's this i gotta find out about this. It was like I was learning Portuguese with Bruno de Sousa. So that's kind of where we are here.
Starting point is 00:31:50 He gets released from prison. He does his 18 months. He gets released. He tells his brother he's on the straight and narrow.
Starting point is 00:31:55 He's like, look, man, help me out. I want to get back into fighting. I don't want any part of this shit anymore. No more stabbing
Starting point is 00:32:00 folks. Exactly. I'm not going to clean up any more blood puddles unless I cause it with my fist in a sanctioned area. So he tells his brother that. His brother was disappointed in him, obviously, but he wanted to help him train again.
Starting point is 00:32:15 He's a kid, so he's 20 years old at this point. I mean, get him back on the straight and narrow. He's got potential. So he gets him into kickboxing again. He said, let's start out with kickboxing because it's, I guess, a little easier to kind of move up than boxing is. And you just met a new guy that can teach you how to kick. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lewis Cain teaching him lots about kicking.
Starting point is 00:32:35 He wins his first five kickboxing fights quickly. Like, just boom, boom, boom. Within there, within five fights, he won the Australian, South Pacific, and World Kickboxing Association middleweight titles. How about that? Knocking the shit out of people. So he's a badass dude. That's great.
Starting point is 00:32:52 The president of, this is great, because there's an associate, he has a title for this association called the International Sports Karate Association, which sounds like some shit like a bunch of nine-year-olds would make up. Yeah. Like, this is the International Sports Kar sports karate association and we're gonna fight it
Starting point is 00:33:09 out like that's like so anyway the the president of this organization dr peter lewis he's a doctor this guy has a ridiculous silly sounding organization uh said quote if he had a weakness it was that he was too happy to try to please people. And that's the thing about him. That's kind. And it keeps coming back. That's very nice. Yeah. So we get into, like, 1994.
Starting point is 00:33:32 He finally, he loses his International Sport Karate Association title. Jesus, it's not even. It sounds like a character in the Ninja Turtles. It does. They're just like, this is so-and-so from the whatever-the-fucking-Mickey-Mouse-that-name-is. It's so silly. It sounds like some shit kids made up. It's so ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:33:54 Sounds like something that Casey Jones was in. You know what I mean? He came on board from there. So he loses his title to a guy named Sam Solomon, who was only in his sixth fight, this guy. Oh, boy. But apparently this was a bloody battle. Really? Both of them got their eardrums burst from each other.
Starting point is 00:34:13 They apparently both went down several times. Wow. And they just beat the shit out of each other. I want to see that fight. And they both survived it to a decision. That's what's awesome, too. Wow. Both Tuff and I, he lost the decision.
Starting point is 00:34:23 Agusis did. Just beating ragged. Yeah, they were both beating each other silly he goes back to boxing after this i guess i'm done kicking people yeah i guess he said i got all i could out of that um goes back to boxing has only has three fights and they're spread out weirdly too uh in march of 95 he wins a tko uh then two weeks later he fights again which is like jesus christ uh and uh he to a TKO then two weeks later he fights again which is like Jesus Christ and he to a draw he fights somebody
Starting point is 00:34:48 to a draw then doesn't have his next fight until October of 97 where he has a first round knockout of somebody knocks somebody out
Starting point is 00:34:56 within like 30 seconds he trained like a motherfucker apparently eating raw eggs and chasing chickens for a while and all of a sudden he can fight now
Starting point is 00:35:04 yeah it's but after that, shocker. Shocker with all of our people. Can't stay on track. No. These people, it's the same story. You notice that every single time, they just can't stay on track. Just can't figure it out.
Starting point is 00:35:19 They can't figure it out. Can't just stay in the lane. And he had the potential. That's what's so sad. 97, he starts drifting off again and doing his own thing. He's been fighting for 10 years now. Yeah, and he's an adult now. He needs to get his shit together and stop acting like a fucking jerk.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Is he 26 at this point? Shit, we're talking 97. So he's 30. He was born in 67. Yeah, 30 years old now. That career is dwindling. Yeah, exactly. Get your head in the game or take a hike at this point.
Starting point is 00:35:48 You aren't fighting at 38. No, that's what I mean. If you're an amazing fighter, 30 might be your prime. Yeah, that's it. Otherwise, you're downhill from there. You've got three years to make money and retire. 34, 35, everybody's hand speed goes down a little bit. It just happens.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Floyd Mayweather wasn't as fast as he used to be. It's just the way it is. His brother said of him, quote, here it comes again. Big nose in the air, big head, slowly started drifting away,
Starting point is 00:36:14 running off. One minute he's a good, brilliant kid. Next he's off. Next he turns up with another one of these maggots. Oh God. I love that he calls them all maggots. Maggots.
Starting point is 00:36:23 His brother has no patience for his bullshit. He has no patience all maggots. Maggots. His brother has no patience for his bullshit whatsoever. He has no patience for maggots. For maggots. Yeah. And here comes the maggots, too. Oh, boy. And, yeah, he starts hanging out with the gangsters. And this is nothing new.
Starting point is 00:36:35 There's a lot of boxers. This happens all the time. Yeah. He started hanging out with a guy named, this is fantastic. This is a great name. Not the best name in the story. We'll get to the best name in the story because it's better than Gorilla Pimp. Better than Gorilla Pimp, my friend.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Can't wait. Put it that way. Robert Rozier, the Gorilla Pimp, by the way. I think it was episode 12 or something. Self-proclaimed. He called himself that. That was his nickname for himself. This guy has a better nickname for himself and a better backstory to it it's fucking amazing this other guy but this particular guy that he
Starting point is 00:37:09 starts hanging out with that gooses begins to hang out with his name nick the bulgarian radev the bulgarian and he speaks and he only speaks russian and a touch of greek i like the bulgarian i like it it's like the wire but the guy's the greek but he's not the g. I like it. It's like The Wire where the guy's the Greek but he's not the Greek. I'm into it. So he was described as quote, a drug dealer and a fire bomber with a taste for Versace.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Holy shit. What a fucking dashing... Yeah. Isn't that just a dashing debonair gentleman? He's like Humphrey Bogart, this guy. Carrying a flamethrower.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Yeah, with a taste for versace he's i love i picture him throwing his firebombs while dressed impeccably just perfectly he throws a molotov cocktail and fixes his collar and his fucking and there we go and it has time and then and then and then makes his his pocket square just his cuff links right. It messed him up from throwing a firebomb. He told, now he brings Ange into the fold here. We'll call him Ange or Goose-us. I'm not going to call him Ange. Go with Ange.
Starting point is 00:38:13 It's so much easier. Ange is what his family called him, but I'd call him Goose or whatever. So we'll get into this. He tells him that, you know, you hang around with me, you'd be my muscle, you'd be all set. It sounded like he was like his gay sugar daddy this whole time too but he was just you know he saw an impressionable guy
Starting point is 00:38:28 at this point he's 30 but he's still impressionable apparently he tells him that he can set him up with a fancy gym he's going to set him up with a gym
Starting point is 00:38:37 sounds good to me already quote sponsored by Versace I'm in so you know who wouldn't who wouldn't jump at the opportunity lots of red and green in that
Starting point is 00:38:45 unbelievable uh so yeah he was his bodyguard his muscle man he was always like standing one step behind him you know he was that guy yeah uh by 2001 he's living with the bulgarian in his fancy apartment he's got a real sweet fancy pad this dude's loaded he's into this dude is into $50 cigars and $400 bottles of cognac and drives a Mercedes and has a big fat diamond encrusted watch. That's a guy that does bad shit. He does bad shit. You know, he's a fucking Russian gangster. You never see a guy that has those flavors. No.
Starting point is 00:39:19 And he's like legit. He's straight. He will firebomb for whatever he needs. That's the thing. That's not a businessman. That's a fucking murderer. And his brother said that Ang liked the high roller lifestyle. He was like legit. He's straight. He will firebomb for whatever he needs. That's the thing. That's not a businessman. That's a fucking murderer. And his brother said that Ange liked the high roller lifestyle. He was into that.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Like he saw him with a guy and he said he was proud to be a muscle man. He was proud to not be the delivery guy. He said that's how, he's quote, that's how gullible Ange was. He was doing it more for pride than money. Of course. Just to look cool and to feel good about himself. Does that come from being an immigrant that came in when
Starting point is 00:39:46 you were eight and not speaking the language and feeling, I don't know what the psychology is. Feeling inadequate and then you see
Starting point is 00:39:50 those guys and they're like, you're our guy and you're just like, fucking yeah, I'm your guy. You feel like a big shot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:55 But I mean, he did it in legit ways too. He was captain of the sports teams. I mean, he had shit to build his self-esteem. He didn't need to be told
Starting point is 00:40:01 he was cool by some guy named the Bulgarian. I feel like so many nights of sleeping cold will force you to just want to do whatever it takes and if that's running
Starting point is 00:40:11 with dudes that are dickheads and terrible people, anything to keep you from laying bricks and seeing what his father's dad was. He's just like, I don't want to be what my dad ended up being.
Starting point is 00:40:22 His dad hunched over from bricklaying and slitting fucking Nazi throats and he's like, you know't want to be what my dad ended up being. His dad hunched over from Brick Lane. Yeah. Slit. Bat hips. Slitting fucking Nazi throats. And he's like, you know what? I need a better and easier life. Yeah. And he sees these guys and they do. And the cold makes calluses crack and they hurt. And to be a muscle man to go, you know, crack some heads around or to just look imposing to this guy, how does he care? He fights professional fighters. Right. If some schlub wants to try to jump his boss, he'll happily kick the shit out of him.
Starting point is 00:40:45 He doesn't care. That's what he does. And they can buy him a shitload of lotion. He'll never have calluses and they'll never crack in the cold. These two. That shit stings. Yeah. These two took a lovely little vacation together.
Starting point is 00:40:55 I picture them taking pictures with like a tiny dog and like their desserts and stuff. Like this is a total gay sugar daddy. Yeah. Took him to Israel with him in 2002. Wow. Yeah. Nice little vacation. People go there. Wow. Yeah, nice little vacation. People go there.
Starting point is 00:41:06 They have nice beaches in Israel actually. I've never heard of anybody going there for vacation unless they were incredibly rich or very Jewish.
Starting point is 00:41:14 I'm from New York. I know a lot of Jewish people. A lot of Jews go there for fun. to the beaches of Israel. It's like, okay, well,
Starting point is 00:41:20 just head on a swivel. That's all. Yeah, yeah. Head on a swivel, guys. Stay away from that strip. This particular, the Bulgarian tried to enlist Ange in a plot to kill a guy named Mickey Gatto. Now, Mickey Gatto's going to come up a lot.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Mickey Gatto is one of the top guys in the argument. There's Nicky Gatto. There's Carl Williams. Not to be confused with the 80s boxer Carl the Truth Williams that Mike Tyson knocked the shit out of in 1989. Carl Williams, not to be confused with the 80s boxer Carl the Truth Williams that Mike Tyson knocked the shit out of in like 89.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Gatto sounds like a consigliere that like runs the fucking garment district. There's a bunch of these guys. At this point,
Starting point is 00:41:54 that doesn't work out. Actually, from what I hear, Gooses talked him out of it because he was like, get out of your fucking mind. They're both doing
Starting point is 00:42:01 a ton of coke and other amphetamines and shit and that's also, this is all coke fuel. All this shit. You do, stop doing insane amounts of coke. Stop jamming shit in your nose. Guys, moderation.
Starting point is 00:42:13 I'm not saying that you should never do coke. Key bumps to get you through the day. I can't do any kind of uppers because you guys can tell I'm fucking amped up anyway. I don't need any uppers at all. I need none of that shit. I'll lose my goddamn mind. But some people, if you need a little bump now and then go for it do it but not in large quantities guys scarface yeah haven't you seen scarface it ends terribly it's not a documentary that's like you know a happy thing that you should strive for right what i'm getting at and that's what these people do. It ends horribly. Horribly, as John Mulaney said. Have you seen the end of that? It ends terribly.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Yeah, that's right. We have to shout out that. That's a great joke. That is a good joke. I remember that one. Go find John Mulaney and listen to him. He's a great comedian. Anyway, so he tries to enlist Ange in this plot. He talks him out of it. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So Goose is hooked on cocaine and amphetamines. At this point, he attempts suicide.
Starting point is 00:43:07 Low point for Goose this year, you would think. But no. You'd think that would make him think that maybe I've got some things to live for if I didn't do it. I mean, turn around. Go back the other way. No, no, no, no. But instead, he just continues on the shit path? It's almost like this fortified him.
Starting point is 00:43:24 It's almost like I'm on the right path. I didn't die. How did he do path? It's almost like this like this fortified him. Yeah. It's almost like I'm on the right path I didn't die. How did he do it? It doesn't there's no but he had to stay
Starting point is 00:43:30 in the hospital for a while. I'm guessing it was some sort of opening of vein of some something. It's gotta be something.
Starting point is 00:43:37 With men men usually shoot themselves women take pills that's just the statistics of suicide because
Starting point is 00:43:43 men also hang themselves we also hang themselves. We also hang themselves and he's a violent guy that wasn't afraid to take a shot in the face so who the fuck knows what he did. He could have been one of those guys that tried to jam a knife into his chest. You know how crazy people are. They try to do it sometimes and it gets stuck in their chest. Artie Lang did it nine fucking times. Jammed himself in the fucking chest.
Starting point is 00:44:00 I mean this guy might be a guy like that. I don't know. But he's in the hospital for a while. By the time he gets out of the hospital, goes to find the Bulgarian, he's dead. Bulgarian was hit. What? Shot seven times. Oh, my God. Shocking, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:44:12 You would imagine a guy like that would have nothing but friends and good well-wishers. And live a very happy life. Yeah, live a very happy life with lots of well-wishers from around everywhere. You would think, but no. Apparently not. So this is when uh fighting starts breaking out with these gang factions a lot okay there's um when somebody gets hit other people retaliate exactly there's the carlton crew which they're from carlton i guess which is a nearby like a
Starting point is 00:44:36 suburb of albert um with mick gatto and this uh moran fella here that we're gonna get into also the other the other faction was carl uh the carl the truth williams that we're going to get into also. The other faction was Carl the Truth Williams, as we're going to call him. He looks nothing. Carl Williams looks like... He kind of looks like Cher's daughter, Chastity Bono. Oh, my God. Kind of looks like that, like an androgynous... Looks like Chaz?
Starting point is 00:45:01 Chaz, right. Now? Kind of looks like... Looks like Chastity now? Kind of looks like an androgynous... Yeah, like, did that guy of looks like it looks like chastity now it looks like an androgynous yeah like did that guy have a sex change that used to be a chick like that's kind of what he looks like it's kind of a portly so he's not carl the truth williams who was like a six foot three 230 pound black guy with a left hook and uh tony mock bell and the mock bells mock bell is a character man this mock bell ibell I read a lot about. He gets away with shit.
Starting point is 00:45:26 I don't know this for a fact, but it really seems like your justice system is seriously corrupt over there, Australia. It seems like if you're a gangster with money, you can get through. It's very much like you're watching The Godfather. Over there seems like it's the 40s here. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:45:43 It's America pre-the RICO laws. america pre like the fbi coming into effect which is odd because they have task force and police but it's like that's what it is though it's like when they still denied organized crime and they ran all the rackets that's what it's like there it seems like because this guy gets away with literally murder tony mcbell numerous times where it's like people are like yeah no he paid me to kill him and it doesn't matter he's not guilty and times where it's like, people are like, yeah, no, no, he paid me to kill him. And it doesn't matter. He's not guilty and he walks. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:46:09 I mean, God, he paid off jurors. This guy, who knows? So anyway. Intimidation too. So Gooses needs a new guy here. He needs a new. He's a laundry. He's a free agent.
Starting point is 00:46:19 Yeah, he needs a new guy to latch onto. He's walking around. He's like a butler with nobody to buttle at this point. He's like, what am I doing? Nobody to buttle. Nobody to buttle. He's like a butler with nobody to buttle at this point. He's like, what am I doing? Nobody to buttle. Nobody to buttle. He's like, I want to get somebody their slippers in the morning paper. And I breakfast in bed.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Anybody? I'm very good at coffee. Please? I'm so good at it. I squeeze oranges. I'll kick somebody to death. I got that going for me. Kick somebody to sleep.
Starting point is 00:46:39 So Goose is at this part. I'm a hell of a mopper. Hell of a mopper. And speaking of people kicking people to death, this is when he finds his new guy to hang out with. And it's Louis Kane, the man he met in 88 in that serendipitous little meeting. All this stuff comes back, doesn't it? Is it Louis Kane? It's Louis Kane.
Starting point is 00:46:56 Louis Skechers Kane. Keep in mind, by the way, this is 2004. the way and this is this is 2004 but before this happened there was a little incident with uh a little incident that's not going to come back till later but a man is there's a trial okay separate timeline guys we're now in 2003 flashback flashback to june of 2003 There is, and it's parallel, but it's going to connect. Don't worry. There is a man named, excuse me, Shane Chartrez Abbott. Okay. Better known as the greatest fucking nickname in the history of sports crime.
Starting point is 00:47:41 Better known as, quote, the Vampire Gigolo. That is better than Gorilla Pim. It's better than gorilla the vampire gigolo would eat the gorilla yeah i think like how the hell did he get that name well like only only sell himself when chicks are on their fucking period or something well he's a male prostitute the vampire gigolo by his name obviously he's a self-professed vampire gigolo he uh he he almost kills a girl okay almost kills a girl within an inch of her life a woman named penny who was a thai stripper wow that paid the vampire gigolo for sex okay he brutally rapes her beats her tortures her burns her she asked for it bites she actually paid for it bites half of her tongue off holy okay so he is not fucking around bites half of her tongue off that's and then he says in court when he's on trial for this now he
Starting point is 00:48:42 by the way gets out on bail for this while the trial's going on he's out on the street this guy he quote and at the trial claimed that he was a male prostitute that claimed to be a 200 year old he that was claiming to be a 200 year old vampire at trial in court under oath he said i'm a 200 year old vampire he's now a male prostitute so back up mister got off no no he didn't get off because he was on trial uh you do that you pull that shit in america you go to the loony bin right now yeah yeah it's it's interesting um he should have killed this girl probably yeah because he didn't kill this girl he left her alive and her boyfriend or one of the boyfriends that she had was a bad motherfucker and was a little upset about this a guy named mark perry who was a local heroin dealer and a bit of a badass yeah
Starting point is 00:49:39 he took exception obviously to his girlfriend she can't lick my balls anymore you took her tongue you'd have to get in pretty deep in her mouth for that because half her tongue's fucking gone um yeah i assume she just had a terrible lisp at that point going on the poor thing so and all she wanted was some oral all she wanted was this dude to lick her so he fucking tore apart it. It is horrific. So this Mark Perry guy is childhood friends with a man named Warren Thomas Shea. And he is now a big time in the organized crime game. So he gets a hold of him, gets them together, and he says, hey, this is what they did to my girlfriend. Describes it. 200-year-old fuck.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I ain't scared of anybody 200 fucking years old. Yeah, they were like, yeah, I ain't scared of no vampire vampire so his hips are brittle by now he's not scared of this vampire so they put together i just said a scared that's ridiculous you're not a scared i'm not a scared go peter griffin over here so he uh puts together this hit squad to kill this guy. Claims that Gooses is also involved in this hit squad. Perry, this hit squad happens. He is murdered in 2003 outside of his home. The Vampire Gigolo. Vampire Gigolo.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Oh, he doesn't last long in our story. He doesn't last long in our story. But he'll come back later. The Vampire Gigolo will come back. He's a vampire. He's not going to stay dead. But he'll come back big time later on in a really funny way. stay tuned for that but he actually the vampire gigolo had like a girlfriend
Starting point is 00:51:11 that was pregnant at the time they had a nice little home together oh shit so the vampire gigolo was really living a split life here and she knew he was a prostitute and that was what he did and you know you know he was 200 years old i believe she did that's great he didn't have low t at that point no she had his 200 year old seed growing inside of her like a fucking she a pet so he uh so they're they get together and they gun him down uh we don't know who exactly who he's gunned down all right in front of his home while his girlfriend's standing there wow two men come out fire on him. He's hitting the neck ball.
Starting point is 00:51:47 She runs in the house, calls the cops, gets a towel, runs out. They peel off the whole thing. She's obviously flipping out about it. They're wearing ski masks, which keep coming back again and again. And they keep calling him, in all the articles,
Starting point is 00:52:00 they call him Bacalava as a ski mask. Yeah, as a balaclava. I had no idea what the fuck that was. All of the are showing yeah i had to look that up and i'm like just say ski mask all right yeah just say it's a fucking ski mask ski mask without the mouth and nose yeah yeah so yeah this is a disaster she's he's all shot up and this will this will come back um so we get into this uh other thing here now this is where we go back to the Gooses timeline. In 2004. In 2004.
Starting point is 00:52:27 Okay. Exactly. So you had a flashback. Somebody's tongue got bitten off. Vampire goes to court for it. Vampire Gigolo. Right. He's out on bail and he's fucking dead.
Starting point is 00:52:35 He's murdered by a hit squad who at this point it sits stagnant. Yeah, yeah. We don't know shit about it. Cold case. What a fucking...
Starting point is 00:52:44 Moving forward. What a mystery, right? Okay. That's like the start of a law and order episode. It is. It is. We laid it out. Dick Wolf.
Starting point is 00:52:53 Dick Wolf. And now Dick Wolf has said his thing. So now, things are going a little odd with Kane. Kane's an asshole, basically. This is the guy who kicked the guy in the nightclub. Yeah, Lewis Kane's an asshole. I don't know why Gooses does this he invites his brother
Starting point is 00:53:07 out to dinner with him and Cain at a casino why does he keep bringing around the family with the fuckheads he wants to show off
Starting point is 00:53:14 to his brother that look I'm successful look I'm doing good but he knows his brother is just going to go why are you doing this you jerk
Starting point is 00:53:19 you're wrong about this look this shit life is going to help us yeah so his brother after the dinner and all this he says of cane quote i met the guy for five minutes and he's telling me his life story that he's a heavy
Starting point is 00:53:29 criminal i asked ang i don't know how many times are you threatened by him do you need help but it was no no no he's a good guy so he kept saying that cane was a good guy um his brother after a little while after this as we're getting to his brother didn't speak to him for about three years. At this point, Ange is qualified to be a judge in fucking Australia, too. He's a terrible fucking judge. Yeah, well, at least he knows he's a jerk-off. Well, he tells him here, he stops talking to him, and in his final conversation with him,
Starting point is 00:53:57 he told Ange, quote, you're not a kid anymore. If you can't register upstairs what's good for you and what's not, what can I do for you? I can't help you out anymore. So his brother cut the ties with him. His brother said,
Starting point is 00:54:08 you're a jerk off, you're hanging out with criminals, I don't know what the fuck Enjoy your life. Yeah. So, in 2004, Gooses and a guy named
Starting point is 00:54:18 Keith Faurie, Faurie, I don't know how you, F-A-U-R-E, Faurie. Four? Four. Four.
Starting point is 00:54:25 They go to, They go to Melbourne to meet, actually to Carlton, to meet Kane at a hotel. Kane is looking for some shooters to do a hit for him. And so they arrange this meeting and they're going to try to get some shit worked out. They're going to get Laforte. Yeah, so Fawry here and Gooses, they go to meet to get some shit worked out. They're going to get Laforce. So Falfari here and Gooses, they go to meet him. They pick Kane up. They decide let's not have the meeting here. Let's have it at this Greek restaurant.
Starting point is 00:54:52 So they get in the car. They go to this Greek restaurant and apparently they did not make it to the Greek restaurant. By the time they arrived wherever their destination was, Kane had been shot under his right eye. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Apparently, they were driving in the car, Kane in the back seat of the car, Gooses and Fari in the front seat of the car. And there is... Somebody fired into the rear seat. Well, there's an obvious conflict here of what happened. All right. They are charged. When they're charged with this, Gooses... Four and Gooses are... Yeah, they are charged when they're charged with this um they gooses foreign gooses are yeah they are arrested gooses takes the blame and he says it was self-defense he said he heard a
Starting point is 00:55:33 clicking from behind he turned around and saw a pistol gain cane had his gun out and it was jammed and so he shot him in the eye all right that was what was said at that point but later on they both changed their stories and he says that for he was the one that shot him and he didn't even know why he shot him he just he just shot him he turned around i was like whoa what the fuck when stories change like that somebody's guilty it's a lot of stories yeah it's a lot they're they're whatever yeah it's a lot of shit here so uh basically this whole thing goes on with Kane. So they're convicted of this crime. Both of them are convicted of it.
Starting point is 00:56:11 It doesn't matter who shot who at this point. They don't give a shit. They finally got some American justice. They got some American justice, yeah. They're convicted of this crime. At that point, they get 20 years. He gets 20 years. That's steep.
Starting point is 00:56:22 It's steep. So now he's going to prison for 20 years, and you think this is bad enough, right? deep it's steep so now he's going to prison for 20 years and you think this is bad enough right yeah but it's not bad enough because six weeks after this shooting because he's not arrested for this for about eight months okay six weeks after this shooting he's involved in another incident oh boy this is the one that really fucks him bad here march 31st 2004 okay 2004 is the brunswick Club, where this guy, Louis Moran, everybody's known as Louis. By the way, Australia,
Starting point is 00:56:48 if there's something here called the Brunswick Club, it's a fucking bowling alley. It's a bowling alley, yeah. Sorry, guys. This is apparently a cool joint. This is where the gangsters
Starting point is 00:56:56 are hanging out. The Brunswick. They have gambling, there's poker machines, stuff like that. This is where Louis Moran hang out. Louis Moran,
Starting point is 00:57:02 if we found out before, was one of the big- time gangsters with Carl LaTruth Williams there. He's his buddy. Or no, I think Mach Bell
Starting point is 00:57:10 was his buddy. Mach Bell was Carl LaTruth's buddy, so this is the other guy. Okay, so see what I mean about the gangster shit?
Starting point is 00:57:17 It's hard to keep track of from another country and all this shit. And I don't want to confuse the listeners with it, honestly, because it doesn't
Starting point is 00:57:23 have anything, it doesn't matter. What matters is Goose is his this is bullshit so this guy uh ski mask clad gunman burst into the club and this there's a security video of this that the jurors got to see uh they get near moran moran sees them moran is also with a friend of his herbert route who is by him drinking he tells route i'm getting out of here yeah he takes off a couple dudes in balaclavas yeah i'm gone i'm gone because he's an you know he knows that i'm a bad dude i'm a bad dude people might want to kill me
Starting point is 00:57:54 he runs toward the back of the club knocks over the club manager on the way there it's like a movie scene yeah some woman knocks her over goes into the back like back poker machine lots of gin flying yeah and they're chasing him and he runs out of space goes in a corner and kind of crouches down and they shoot him twice yeah they shoot him and also uh fori the guy from the other one was with gooses on this apparently also on this head he uh he takes a shot at the rock guy which will come in later because they're gonna get in trouble for that one too um but yeah so they're they're wearing the ski master back there they're shooting him uh there's an eight-week trial for this they take a shot at who there they take a shot in the back
Starting point is 00:58:32 room at uh at moran they kill him back there they take a shot at rot out by the ball the friend got friend right um so the moran trial lasts eight weeks it's in 2009 uh now this is the thing from both of these from from all of these killings there's a particular informant now in a book i read they call him bones all the time they call him jack price is the is the moniker they give him in the media it's a legal name his name oh okay that's his fucking john that's his john they call him bones in this book i read about it uh they call him bones he's the informant read about it. They call him Bones. He's the informant guy. He apparently is like the biggest lying shitbag on the face. I love him. Everything he says, he said a completely contradictory thing at another point on the record. Everything he
Starting point is 00:59:16 says. So I mean, everything he says you can take with a grain of salt. And this is literally the only evidence they have. They have a video with a guy with ski masks. You can't tell who they are. literally the only evidence they have they have a video with a guy with ski mask you can't tell who they are they have this guy's testimony that's it on these cases and they're this is why i think it's a little shady and they rock them up on it so it's this this getaway drive he was he claims he was the getaway drive now first he claims early on he claims that he was the shooter in the ski mask on the video of moran all right then he says no no i was the getaway driver gooses is the shooter first he said gooses was the getaway driver then he said gooses was the shooter fucking problem he doesn't want he found it's a better deal for
Starting point is 00:59:57 himself if he says yeah getaway because he gets serious deals for this and gooses actually writes like a thesis on this later on from prison detailing what he feels is the corruption and the special and all this and it's super interesting guys if you want to check that out it's like a manifesto of how i got fucked by the government and you listen you read it and you go this guy's a scumbag and he wasn't on killing people he was mopping glowing blood up and everything he probably deserves to be in prison but i don't think he deserves to be in prison for what he's in prison for. That's the problem.
Starting point is 01:00:26 That's the issue. It's one of those where you're like, yeah, they got him. You should have got him on the other shit. Yeah. It would be like if you locked John Gotti up on something he didn't do. You're like, I know he did other shit.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Right. It's so, anyway. Brought him up on child abuse or some shit. And he's like, yeah. I mean, the racketeering was a little bigger. Exactly. It said Carl the Truth Williams paid $150,000 for this hit. For Moran?
Starting point is 01:00:47 For the Moran hit. It's actually also said that he shorted them and only gave them $140,000. What an asshole. What a fucking jerk. You're shorting these fucking guys. These guys went out of their way, charged into a packed fucking place, and cornered him and shot him. Even took a fucking insurance shot at the guy's friend.
Starting point is 01:01:04 Just in case. And you're going to short him? You cocksucker. So the lawyer said, obviously... If you can't trust criminals, who can you trust? Who can you trust, Jimmy, besides your murder conspirators? As long as they're not a teenager. You don't want a teenager in your hit squad. No teenagers in your fucking
Starting point is 01:01:19 hit squad. Crime and sports rule number two. So Gooses' lawyer said said obviously the informant pointed the finger at gooses to get his own sentence reduced he's saying clearly um you know they had both pled not guilty to this yeah the trial delayed the underbelly show that i mentioned earlier yeah that was supposed to be on they were not allowed to show that a court sanction on showing that because they said it would completely damage the pool of potential jurors. You can't show something with actors in it that's fucking fake.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I don't even know. It might have been. I should have watched some of it. I saw it online there and I'm like I don't need to see some recreation or whatever. I'm like I'm going to read all this shit. Read books guys. Come on. It'd be like if the OJ Simpson trial, if the People vs. OJ was going on.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Yeah, the wall that was going on yeah while it was going on yeah and then don't show that shit yeah why what's the problem regusis uh uh was said that he scoped out the club a whole bunch of times before like he was there and he scoped it all out and he denied any involvement at all um his his defense lawyer steven sheriffs, said that, Ange, this is a great, this is the best excuse. I was, my client, he was not murdering Louis Moran at that point. He couldn't have been because at that time, he was visiting his sick mother. So how dare you accuse him of murder? He was sick.
Starting point is 01:02:39 Picture him sitting there with his sick mom. I picture him putting a cold washcloth on her forehead. On her forehead. Holding her hand. Boiling her forehead. Holding her hand. Boiling chicken soup. Holding her hand nice. Just spoon-feeding her chicken soup. Spoon-feeding her chicken soup.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Just the broth. Just the broth. Because she can't chew. He's going, Mom, is everything okay? Are you too high? Can I get you a blanket? Can I get you some water? Another Afghan.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Would you like some ice chips? Some ice chips. Can I get you anything? Holy shit. So apparently this was not bought by the... It's the equivalent of my dog ate my homework. some ice chips can I get you anything holy shit so apparently this was not bought by the it's the equivalent
Starting point is 01:03:08 of my dog ate my homework pretty much yeah he's convicted of murder in May of 2008 Dingo ate my baby given at least
Starting point is 01:03:15 30 years before he is eligible for parole not good 30 years 30 years at least and that's concurrent with the 20 years
Starting point is 01:03:23 he's got so basically he's eligible for parole I think in 2039 was the brand one. And that's concurrent with the 20 years he's got. So basically, he's eligible for parole, I think, in 2039. Whoa. So, I mean, that's brutal. That's trouble. Yeah, no parole possible until 30 years. Wow.
Starting point is 01:03:33 So, I mean, he's got a minimum. So you guys can write to him. He can write to him. During sentencing, Justice Betty King said, quote, this was a cold calculated execution of a man for financial gain, which places the murder at the highest level of offenses of their type sir you may fuck off is what she said i feel like that justice was like i'm gonna right the wrong of that other justice yeah and he is saying how
Starting point is 01:04:00 and they say fuck off over there a lot i'll'll bet she said it. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off to jail now. Fuck off, cunt. Yeah, and then she took out a crocodile Dundee. That's the first time we've mentioned him, so fuck you, Ostrus. Sorry, but you know what? You fucking produce Paul Hogan and unleash him on the goddamn world
Starting point is 01:04:18 and we have to watch Lightning fucking Jack. I'll bring it up. It's coming up. So suck my fucking American dick, fellas. That's a knife. Yeah, that's a knife. See, you know why I love Australia? Because they will like that I just yelled at them like that
Starting point is 01:04:29 because they're fucking awesome people with senses of humor. That uptight shitbag. They crawl over people in the subway, apparently. I love them. I love it over there. So anyway. To get to their level. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:40 About the informant bones, Gooses is rip-roaring fucking pissed about this, obviously. He says, in their own words, this obviously he says in their own words here we go in their own words quote he has no compunction about lying he doesn't care who he hurts he will lie and do whatever he sees fit to do whether it's
Starting point is 01:04:56 robbing a bank or convincing some stooge to be his fall guy wowza yeah cause apparently he is fired up yeah because apparently and we're going to get into we're going to go backtrack a little bit too but yeah he's convicted for all of this um he uh he's also convicted of attempted he's acquitted of attempted murder for rot but convicted of causing him great bodily injury on purpose so it's like but they didn't want to kill
Starting point is 01:05:21 him right they wanted to just gunshot graze right usually if you fire a gun at someone that's a pretty good attempt i wanted that motherfucker dead it's like the stabbing yeah i mean it's just as just as vicious yeah so i mean firing an a loaded weapon at somebody this this whole thing um and the lewis back to the lewis kane shooting here which was his buddy uh the kicker uh his brother told him uh this is a quote from his brother he said quote after he got convicted he told me lewis kane wasn't such a bad guy a little airheaded but the other guy just turned around and bang i said why'd you take the rap and he just scratches his head he's a fucking idiot or i don't know i'm not sure yet he's still trying to figure that one out on one hand he's saying the other guy did it, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And on the other hand, he's going, the gun jammed, it's self-defense. Right. They're both in the car. They're both intending on killing the guy. And there's one dude dead. It doesn't fucking matter. There's a dead guy. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:06:12 They both did it. Who cares? Yeah. Foray here, the Foray guy said, quote, both Mr. Gooses and I are innocent. Without the quick action of Mr. Gooses, we would both be dead today. He's praising him as a fucking, as a hero. And then he turned police informer on him. Flipped on him.
Starting point is 01:06:32 First claimed he was the shooter. This was also, he was involved in the Moran shooting also in the club. And he first said that he was the shooter and then he blamed it on Gooses too. So two people have claimed it and then said, no, it wasn't me. So that's what i mean why i feel like what you say and say what you mean i feel like there's some corruption and they're steering people yeah of course because this informant there is a lot of uh a lot of uh i feel like the government's like remember that time we fucked up with him years and years ago yeah let's get
Starting point is 01:06:58 everybody to say that he's a real shitbag that's honestly yeah i mean that's what it's coming down to it's funny too when he was uh arrested and charged with the murder of lewis king because he was arrested for that first in mid-may of 2004 uh he called his brother first and called his brother you know who else to call he called his brother and his brother talked to him maybe you were right so can't call it up but that's his first call his brother was like you're gonna kill our mother basically thanks asshole and you know he was dreading that fucking call. He's like,
Starting point is 01:07:26 as he picks up that receiver, he's like, this is going to fucking suck. This is not going to be good news. I'd rather do 30 years and never talk to him again than fucking call him. He's going to hate me for this.
Starting point is 01:07:34 Yeah, yeah. This is going to be a really shitty phone call. This is going to be the world's biggest I told you so. Let me tell you something. If you heard a squeak,
Starting point is 01:07:39 by the way, that is the crime and sports dog. Yeah, yeah. We just got a dog in the crime and sports studio. She's a cute puppy and she's chewing on a squeaky toy and we're going to be posting pictures
Starting point is 01:07:48 on social media of her thoughts of these scumbags. And we have a thought bubble over a dog. A little funny little campaign for the crime and sports dog. So everybody say hello to Frankie, the crime and sports dog.
Starting point is 01:07:58 Frankie. So Frankie Pantangeli, the crime and sports dog. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, yeah. So anyway, back to this here. I love when he's arrested, too, in 2004.
Starting point is 01:08:08 They get ambushed by a special operations force because they're like three hitmen. Three guys get arrested, Gooses and two others, and they're like hitmen, and Gooses is like a badass that you don't really want to physically tangle with, probably. He'll kick your head open. Yeah, this whole thing uh jesus christ this jack price guys it's complete twat now we get to this very very interesting case of remember the vampire
Starting point is 01:08:33 let's get back to him guys vampire gigolo is back in effect the guy that didn't make it to his 201st birthday he did not make it to his 201st birthday birthday for bastard 201st birthday that's hard to say um yeah basically uh they are now charged with the murder of course of the vampire gigolo the tongue-biting vampire gigolo charged with it it's goosest warren thomas shay and mark perry the boyfriend yeah the thai stripper with half a tongue they got him rocked up they got him too uh the there is also another man the third because perry wasn't involved at the actual shooting i don't think he just set it up yeah but there's another man involved in the shooting who this is the same jack price Bones guy. Yeah. Okay, so he implicates him now.
Starting point is 01:09:26 This case, this happened in 2003, the murder. He wasn't even a suspect, this Jack Price Bones guy. He wasn't even a suspect, but in 2006, he just told the cops he did it. What the fuck? I assume to get, it was probably to get out for Monday. Or he was being strong-armed by people he was afraid of to do it because who the fuck knows it's organized crime and corruption and everything else so anyway i'd love to hear
Starting point is 01:09:51 somebody just be like all right listen i'm just gonna tell everything yeah and just be honest and just lay it all out i want to know the real facts of this because this is a fucking fascinating story it's fascinating and muddy as shit it's so fucking muddy it's it's it's horrible um hollywood can't write shit like no this is what i mean this is why it was a great series and all that kind of thing but i mean this gooses i don't know how much they concentrated on him because i assume they concentrated on more of the players this is like the guy you remember in godfather 2 when uh they shoot up michael's bedroom right in my home you know that whole thing they shoot up michael's bedroom and they go looking on the property afterwards for uh you know anything
Starting point is 01:10:29 and they're searching and they find the dead guy in the water that's this guy i feel like yeah this guy he's not part of the godfather story we don't care about him but i'm interested in that guy what the hell happened to that guy how did that happen and i feel like all the gang shit land shit is probably concentrated more on this... This is not like a one episode thing. No. Like for TV, this would take months.
Starting point is 01:10:50 This is three fucking seasons. I love them trying to humanize the vampire gigolo in a courtroom, by the way. Because you have to get sympathy from the jury
Starting point is 01:10:58 about the vampire gigolo who was on trial for... The guy who was convicted. Well, yeah, he wasn't even convicted. He was out on bail. And he was saying publicly he was a 200-year-old vampire.
Starting point is 01:11:09 With his hand on a Bible. Crazy shit, man. So, Prosecutor Andrew Tinney said of the old vampire gigolo, quote, he was no more or less than a man.
Starting point is 01:11:21 A normal person in our society. Super normal. No, he's fucking not. I don't think... I know a lot of people. That, he's fucking not. I know a lot of people. That's not the right approach. I know a lot of normal people. I've never heard somebody say that they're a 200-year-old vampire. I think if you're a prosecutor,
Starting point is 01:11:34 no, never. I think if you're a prosecutor in that case, you go with the, look, he was a piece of shit and a scumbag and probably an attempted murderer, but that doesn't mean it's okay to kill in the streets. Law and order. That's what you go with. You don't go with, he was a nice guy. He helped out at church.
Starting point is 01:11:48 He, you know, sick kids with cancer. I've never even met a gigolo. I met Rob Schneider once who played a gigolo. That's all I've met. I've never met a gigolo. I know a lot of guys that give their dick away for free. That's amazing. But that's it.
Starting point is 01:12:02 So he ends up being acquitted of the charges. Unbelievable. Of the vampire gigolo. Gooses, Shay, Perry, all acquitted of murder
Starting point is 01:12:12 and manslaughter even the lesser charges everything. It's probably because it's impossible to make that guy human. That and it was such a muddy thing.
Starting point is 01:12:20 That's the thing. If it's a muddy case but they're pissed off about the victim being killed then the jury's like well someone has to pay for this. Fuck this guy. As this guy, they're like,
Starting point is 01:12:28 the vampire gigolo. It's like making a murder. If Stephen Avery had killed the vampire gigolo, they would have been like, whatever, who gives a fuck? There's some Thai whore somewhere with half a tongue. Yeah, some Thai whore's got half a tongue.
Starting point is 01:12:39 But I mean, so yeah, he gets off on that. But this is funny, too. This is in 2014 he gets off on that. But this is funny, too. This is in 2014 he gets off. So he's ankle deep in a fucking neck deep sentence at this point. Like he's ankle deep in a neck deep sentence. It doesn't matter whether he gets convicted or not. He gives a shit. He's in there for 30.
Starting point is 01:12:58 The other two guys that were with him went free when they got acquitted. That's amazing. And he's right back to jail. Yeah. And it's so funny because when he got acquitted. When can fuck off fuck off back to jail either way they're telling him to fuck off he gets uh cleared of all the charges uh he cries when they when they tell him he's not guilty he cries and mel's thank you to the jury and puts his hand over his heart. Wow. Like it fucking mattered. Yeah. Like he should have said, help me.
Starting point is 01:13:27 Yeah. I'm in jail. Right. So, I mean, Jesus Christ. By the way. That's like when you're thirsty and somebody hands you an empty bottle of water saying thank you. Why? For what?
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Starting point is 01:14:23 We'll give you like two minutes actually. So i mean this is crazy they're all done the girlfriend of the vampire gigolo the pregnant girlfriend and i was like a 10 year old kid 10 year old gigolo seed walking around um she is rip-roaring pissed she does an interview after the she was silent the whole time why she's got a kid that's about to live 200 years who gives a shit she should be happy with her surroundings. She should be thrilled. She's pissed off. She's mad that they got acquitted.
Starting point is 01:14:49 She's like, you know, Jesus Christ, I don't believe in the justice system at all. And she's not even sure that the people on trial were the ones that did it either. She's like, I don't know. All I know is it's 10 years later. Nobody's paid the price. And he's dead. He's fucking dead. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:01 My tongue, I have a whole tongue right now that is just, you know, I don't need a and he could have bit it off and he didn't he's gone instead plenty of food for him in my mouth ty hooker so yeah this is a this is a disaster um anyway at this point gooses starts uh he has appeals uh at this pro at this time he says quote uh it was amazing here you have what in their own words i have to introduce in their own words quote it was amazing. Here you have, in their own words, I have to introduce, in their own words, quote, it was amazing. Here you have criminals
Starting point is 01:15:29 that have killed and maimed people for years and years who are organizers and trigger men for most of the gangland murders prepared to do deals. They didn't do it
Starting point is 01:15:39 because they woke up one day and developed a conscience. They did it because they had everything to gain. And he's talking about these people You're one of them, you fuck. flipping, well flipping well no he didn't get deals he was offered deals and never took one he's accusing these people of being scumbags you're a scumbag too you just
Starting point is 01:15:53 didn't find a way to fucking help your fucking your own yourself you didn't and just sell them out and the appeal was denied for him in the moran case and the Kane case. 2012, the Moran case. They dismissed him. He's claiming a lot of corruption. He claims that the informant, the Bones guy, had four properties that were not seized.
Starting point is 01:16:19 Apparently there you get busted for shit like this. They seize your shit. Four properties that weren't seized. Also claims that he had a $400,000 tax bill that was released to 40 that was reduced to forty thousand dollars in a quote memorandum of understanding i don't know what the hell that is sweet that's a pretty that's ten percent i don't think the irs here has that that's ten ten cents
Starting point is 01:16:39 on the dollar yeah that's wow 40 grand you can sell one of your properties and yeah be in the money still also claims that he had other perks that he got like he got to go with his wife and walk on the beach with his wife and dog at one point like while this was all going on while he was in custody they let him do they let him have these little perks go enjoy some sunsets and he would they said like that he would uh you know and it's's all, and this is all documented, that, like, he has contradicting statements. And, like, the police would basically help him get a timeline together to get what they wanted. That couldn't have happened then, wink wink. Yeah, he's very, like, Jay and cereal at this point. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:17:17 Like, he's very, like, and it's even the same, phone records. He changes his times and days to to phone records and shit like that so it's all it's all a big mess there he says this is good too another in their own words here for mr. Goose's he says about bones here he is not a man who was worried by the normal taboos that we all have he doesn't see anything wrong with making false statements or implicating people as long as it serves his purpose and his alone yeah sounds like a stool pigeon he says he's gooses says this like he's like above anything right he's not a rat i'll say that but he did like killish he was involved in murders of his friends that he lied to his buddy kane that was his pal right he thought he
Starting point is 01:18:04 was his he thought he was his he thought he was his boy told his brother it's a good guy yeah it's a good guy it's a good guy he's his boy he takes care and then he and he shoots him in the eye yeah shoots him in the eye in a car at least sets him up to be shot right at minimum at minimum so yeah so at this point he's in jail till 2039 that's it nothing else to do he's making there is literally i think it's like a 25 page manifesto that he wrote and it's like a just a this is horrible they're screwing me this is the crime and sports dog squeaky this is horrible they're screwing me over he had everything this is all the corruption this is everything so that's out there and it sounds like he's got a point yeah
Starting point is 01:18:43 but at the same time he pissed away the most promising life you could have he had everything on a plate yep he had he was a such a fighter people in his corner his brother fieri who we have another quote from here like just this is the bet this is the cherry on top right here this is the guy some silver-haired middle-aged white man summoned it all up for us right here. Fieri says of him, quote, Ange was a good kid with a good heart. He could have made it to world champion if he had only put his heart into it, if only he had listened.
Starting point is 01:19:14 Unbelievable. That's it, man. That's the story of him. He didn't listen. His story could end with, like, a controversial fight at MGM where he loses to a decision, or he knocks out Mike Tyson
Starting point is 01:19:26 or he knocks out... He could have been something. He could have been a contender. He could have been a contender. Exactly. Literally. Or he could have done it like a normal boxer.
Starting point is 01:19:34 He could have had a nice career. He could have made a bunch of money, fought a couple guys on pay-per-view, then started getting in trouble for domestic violence and beating his wife and nobody would pay for his pay-per-views anymore.
Starting point is 01:19:43 And sell a grill. That's it. Sell a grill on fucking QVC. And then 20 years later, gain 100 pounds, smile, and sell a fucking grill. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:19:52 He could have had a life. He could have had something and instead he threw it away to be a complete jerk-off. Jesus. And the organized crime aspect of it was a huge part. So that's a huge problem too.
Starting point is 01:20:01 So I hope that wasn't too confusing with triple murders. It's so deep. It's a deep thing. It's a huge problem too so I hope that wasn't too confusing with triple murders it's so deep it's a deep it's a deep thing it's a fun one though it's super fun it's so fucking psychotic
Starting point is 01:20:11 we could have spent three hours talking about the whole organization and breaking it down but I mean I just wanted to stick to what was pertinent to Gooses
Starting point is 01:20:17 but I mean good guy you did a great job today James that was a great timeline that was fun I had a blast I hope you guys had a good time
Starting point is 01:20:24 listening to that because that was crazy. This was a wild story. Evangelo's Gooses. So sick. I didn't know anything about him at all as an American. I know the Australians, it's probably big news. It's probably a big deal, yeah. But here, I had no idea.
Starting point is 01:20:35 So I'm really excited that we got to do something like that. And I hope we pronounced everybody's names right. Oh, we fucked up city names. We made fun of Crocodile Dundee. What I guarantee we got is the Vampire Gigolo. Vampire Gigolo. Boom. Fucking lights out. Oh, we fucked up city names. We made fun of Crocodile Dundee. What I guarantee we got is the Vampire Gigolo. Vampire Gigolo. Boom. Fucking lights out.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Oh, God. So that, yeah, he killed the vampire. You have to be a badass to kill the Vampire Gigolo. But, yeah. Silver bullets to the neck. Next week,
Starting point is 01:20:56 I think we're gonna, I'm gonna try to, I have a couple of NBA players in mind, because the NBA playoffs are going on. We're getting into the finals. We got a couple NBA guys in mind.
Starting point is 01:21:03 And they fuck up. A lot. I got, I have just so many. We have bodybuild on. We're getting to the finals. We've got a couple NBA guys in mind. And they fuck up a lot. I have just so many. We have bodybuilders. We have NFL guys. We have soccer. We have so many guys lined up. We've got a great boxer that I can't wait to do.
Starting point is 01:21:12 A great boxer, yeah. I can't wait. We have so much fun stuff to do. So, I mean, keep tuning in. Guys, please tell your friends. Absolutely. Pass it around. Tell everybody on social media.
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