Crime in Sports - #160 - Just Say... YES! - The Wastedness of Richard Dumas

Episode Date: May 7, 2019

This week, we concentrate on the question "what could have been?" with one of the biggest wastes of talent that professional sports has ever produced. He had the potential to be in the Hall of Fame, but he had other priorities. Mainly, using copious amounts of cocaine, and ruining every chance that he was repeatedly given. He disappointed everyone, including himself, but finally seemed to find a better way in life... until he decided to screw that up, and commit some federal crime. He's a mess!! Make Michael Jordan mad with your amazing NBA Finals performance, tomahawk dunk over two, 7-foot tall Polish men, and commit an extremely embarrassing crime on camera with Richard Dumas!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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so thank you for that, and we will gush at the end of the show about our long and illustrious list of producers this week's pretty deep it's deep i love it man let's get into this show let's do this we have this is an episode tonight like lately we've been on kind of like a volume arrest binge you know what i mean it's been like j yeah. Let's get arrested 30 times. Like, everybody we've been covering, just, I mean, every time they leave the house, they get arrested.

They can't do anything without getting arrested, which blows my mind. Starting with Blood Green. Yeah. No, Neidhart was before him. Neidhart got arrested constantly, too. But Blood Green was like,

every other week, he's arrested, and then Sammy Stitt. We've had a run of these insane, just crazy-ass, just piles of arrests. Today we have a story. Even Marinovich had him coming. He had spurts.

Right. Because he'd be like clean for a while and he's like, fucking, I'm on drugs. I don't care. I'm naked. I'm an op. You don't get arrested. Let me in your sliding glass door. My dick is out. He's just freaking out.

You don't get arrested twice and the cops know your name door. My dick is out. He's just freaking out. You don't get arrested twice and the cops know your name. It's got to be. That's my favorite. Todd, freeze. Come on, man. At that point, he should have stopped and went, oh, you know. Ah, fuck it. All right, fine.

You know it's me? Where am I going? It's the best advice he ever ignored. Just keep running. It's not me. It's not Todd. Todd who? Oh, you're after somebody else i'll come talk to you guys yeah this is a different kind of story because marinovich i mean i'll be honest with you uh as a player uh as a college player he's he was kind of a terrific like this

amazing prospect as an nfl player in the pan yeah as an nfl player he's kind of mediocre he had like a couple of games where it looked like oh this guy might be something but other than that at prospect as an nfl player in the pan yeah as an nfl player he's kind of mediocre he had like a couple of games where it looked like oh this guy might be something but other than that at quarterback you gotta do more than that could you blame the coke for that well you could just blame him not giving a shit about football because yeah because he cared about clearly it's all he gave elsewhere right a quarterback is an all-encompassing you have to be the crate you have to be the first one at the facility you got to be there when the coach gets there you got to leave when the it's one of those things, quarterback.

Peyton Manning would go home and just watch films. I mean, that's all he would do. I'm sure... You're not talking about The Godfather? No. I'm talking about game films. He had a film room where he would go home, and that's all he did all night was sit and watch films.

So that's why he knew when a guy would move, he'd change the offense, because he knew exactly what they were doing, because he watched a million hours of film. Back in the day, the guys didn't do that. They'd go out, party, get up the next day and throw some touchdowns. There were barely cameras.

Yeah. That's like, well, the defense didn't do it either. No, it just wasn't the same. Now everybody's crazy for it. It's a different thing. But this guy here, we're going to talk about today, is the epitome of blown talent.

This guy could have been, I'm not being crazy, he could have been an NBA all-time top 50 player. Oh, this would be fun. That kind of guy. He was spectacular for a second, and he was so destroyed by what he did to himself. And it's not even so much crime. There's not a million arrests. It's not the same amount of volume, but the way he does it is spectacular.

It's Richard Dumas, everybody. Oh, yes! Somebody that Jimmy doesn't have to guess eight teams to who he played for. Jimmy? He only got one, the Phoenix Suns. There's two, but... Did he go to the Timberwolves?

Briefly, no. Where was it? That's cool, that's cool. Here we go. Let's go. Fire it out what do you got god damn it timberwolves who else was it the clifford nope nope nope that's a fucking expose it's the it's the kansas city royals jimmy he went he played for the kid now sixers he played

for the sixers for a minute for a minute all right i don't remember that it's it wasn't it wasn't big but otherwise it's just the sons yeah uh oh jesus such a big part of that team too yeah if you don't know if you missed it if you were you know either not born yet or you were just i don't know you blinked for two seconds and you missed this guy this guy was the next something i mean he was called we'll talk about it but he's compared favorably to dr j and guys like that by nba coaches like that's the kind of talent uh bark. Barkley's the most talented player he ever played with. Charles Barkley, who played on the Dream Team with everybody. This guy, more talented.

And this guy, as a straight athlete, I mean, if he had Michael Jordan's work ethic, he would be that. Put it that way, because he was a better player. He was a forward. He was a 6'7", so he was kind of a swing guy, but just absolutely devastating. Richard Dumas, Richard Wayne Dumas, as a matter of fact.

He is not a junior, but he's named after his dad, though, anyway. Really? But it's not a straight junior situation. How'd that work out? A different middle name, I assume. But his dad doesn't seem to have a middle name that I can find. So I'm not sure. He's born May 19, 1969.

While he's born, we'll talk about his dad for a second. This is kind of like Todd Marinovich. That's why I did this story. It's kind of like a Todd Marinovich where his dad had a very brief career also. But his dad didn't push him, didn't do shit. This is all him. Really? This is if you just let him go.

It's weird. We all often say, is it better for the father to stick around and beat the shit out of everybody and act like an asshole or just leave and abandon the whole family? Here, it's like, is it better to push your kids in sports and force them, or is it better to lay back in the cut and let them do their thing? Well, either way, they're going to smoke crack, apparently. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't fucking matter.

You have no control over anything that your children do. Okay. So anyway, his father is Rich Dumas. He played for Northeastern State University, which is in Oklahoma. He played basketball in the 60s. He was a huge, he's a big star. He's a big the 60s. He was a huge he's a big star he's a big college star and he was a good player

and he really was. His father was a good player. I read a little bit about the team he played for too. I read a book called Loose Balls which is funny because Jason Williams named his but there's also a book about the ABA, American Basketball Association that's joined up with the NBA in the 70s there, called Loose Balls.

It's a great book. It's just this awesome history of it. Greatest title for any book ever. Loose Balls. Any NBA game. You know what I mean? I got loose balls. Watch out.

They're falling all over the place. They are loose as fuck. Let me tell you. Oh, Jesus. There they go again. Hold on. They keep bobbling the place. They are loose as fuck. Let me tell you. Oh, Jesus. There they go again. Hold on. They keep bobbling everywhere. I can't stop them.

It's the name of my grandfather's autobiography. Loose Balls. It's the name of everybody's grandfather's. Growing Old Gracefully. Loose Balls. Subtitle. Growing Old Gracefully. A cautionary tale.

Hey, your balls are going to get loose. It's all it's all right that's that's what i'm gonna write when i get older i'm gonna write like a like hey it's all right to be old book and it's that's what's gonna be called loose balls don't worry about it big sports fan sorry you know what i mean so his dad played for the houston maver really? Which, yeah, those two names don't go together, obviously, of the ABA. And this is not the precursor to the Dallas Mavericks at all because this team only lasted for two years. Oh, so it was defunct. Well, not quite.

They moved around, and we'll talk about that. This team went 26-52 the year he played, 68-69 the year Richard was born. Actually, he was born right at the end of the season. So there's a little bit of smiles in that household. Yeah. Losing that many games. That's brutal. The ABA had a weird thing where some of the teams had money and were run well,

and some of the teams didn't and weren't. So you had some teams that were a fucking disaster. Like there was, God, the Miami team, they played on like a rollout floor that they like made at like a high school. There was like a like a basically like a Knights of Columbus Hall that they would like roll out a shit wood floor where the ball wouldn't bounce right. And that was the game. Like that's what they play. I was professional basketball.

There was future NBA Hall of Famers playing there. And then there was teams who were had their shit together and were really you know together uh and this this was not one of them uh this team ended up moving to carolina to be the carolina cougars and you notice i said carolina yeah and not a no north or south no north or south and not a city that's because they, North or South and not a city. That's because they wanted to have a wandering home base. They thought the Carolinas were such a hotbed

for college basketball that everybody would want to see it. There's no major huge population center. There's no New York or Philly or somewhere like that.

So why base yourself in one city? You play one game over here. You play another in Charlotte. You play, which means you have

no home. Right. And no one can get behind you that's just homeless yeah because the carolina people in north and south carolina in that region don't go i'm a carolinin no i'm a carolinian of all the carolinas like people are specific to their town and their city so they they overlook that fact of marketing it didn't work. It's like calling your team the American something or other. Yeah. You're not going to get everybody on board. No. I'm going to go, be specific, asshole.

Where are you? Sir, where are you located? People like their territory, their bubble. There's pride in that. They like that. Especially in the Carolinas. The Duke and UNC and NC Statec they're right next to each other they're all in the same area like that's how close it is they don't care i like that team

from right here not the one from down the street people in charleston aren't rooting for the panthers because yeah you know i mean it's an entirely different area it's different uh and then the carolina cougars because that didn't, ended up moving to St. Louis and becoming the Spirits of St. Louis, which is where Marvin Barnes played. Holy shit. Boom. Just completed a 130-episode arc, motherfuckers, all the way back to the start. Just explain that shit. That's a great name of a team.

Spirits of St. Louis? Oh, yes. Fuck yeah, it was, too. That's awesome. I love that plane logo. I remember I had that t-shirt. Yeah, it's a cool-ass... Love that shit.

That might be the greatest team name ever. It's so cool. Their colors were cool, logo was cool, but nobody came to the games. Yeah, it's a cool-ass... Love that shit. That might be the greatest team name ever. It's so cool. Their colors were cool. Logo was cool. But nobody came to the games. Nobody gave a shit. They were really... They really blew it.

And they were like the only ABA team that didn't get folded into the NBA when they got out. But they did get that deal where they get a one-seventh share of the TV deal. That's pretty sweet. Of a team forever. So why be mad? Why? Fuck your team. Oh, they're not.

They have parties every year. Yeah, of course. When they get their check. We don't even have to play. They're right. They have hats that say in perpetuity on them that they all wear

while they drink champagne because they get paid this deal forever. That's fucking amazing. That's incredible. But Dumas, Rich Senior here, does not go with them

to Carolina and St. Louis because he only plays one season. Oh, no. Matter of fact, he only played one game. What? He plays Matter of fact, he only played one game. What? He plays for the team, only plays in one game, plays in one game versus the New Orleans Buccaneers,

which is who then became the Memphis Pros, who then became the Memphis Tams, who then became the Memphis Sounds. Yeesh. All over the course of four years. That's terrible. They became four different. Just pick a fucking name and stick with it and let people latch on to it. No, that's not working.

They're not buying it right now. Change it. Change it now. They aren't into this fucking Tams, you guys. Halfway through the game, the team's like, who's that on the scoreboard? Are we the Tams? The other team's the Buccaneers, I suppose. That's not us.

I guess we're the... Go Tams! That is tough to show up to a game for the sounds wearing a Tams shirt. That's what I mean. What the fuck? You can't get anything going on here. But Rich Doom has played in one game, five minutes played. He had, what was it here, five shots and he made one.

So he was one of five from the floor with two points. Over five minutes. Over five minutes. So he's really throwing. Oh, he was chucking them up. Five shots in five minutes. Every time he touched the ball it was right away he's a chucker let's just say that uh but yeah that's that's uh he plays let me get to he has two professional basketball points and then that's it yeah he's a six and i got that's true he's a six foot three

guard uh named nicknamed x-ray because he was very bony, apparently. They said he was like a skinny, bony guy. But, I mean, that's it. Houston Mavericks won one deal. That was it. One of the coaches later on said that all he remembered about Dumas was that he sat in the back of the bus, usually kind of spaced out. So it was the late 60s. They were all a little spaced out.

I'm sure. Yeah. It's basketball. Everybody smokes weed. Come on. spaced out so it was the late 60s they were all a little spaced out sure and you know yeah it's basketball everybody smokes weed it's come on they probably call them x-ray because they need an x-ray to find out if he's got a athletic bone in his body yeah they said he was very athletic and kind of said that he was uh untapped potential they always talked about with him uh just didn't couldn't put it together okay now richard his son here who we're going to talk about he says that his uh in different articles he says different things about when his drug use started.

Spoiler alert, the whole story is him being a fuck up because he can't stop doing drugs. Shocker. I know you're shocked, everybody. Brace yourselves. I know you're like, really? Was he drugging during that run? He was drugging during every run. Really?

during that run he was drugging during every run really he's uh he has a basically the first article i read said that he has uh it's been his drug and alcohol abuse is kind of since he was about 12 oh no but then he talks about it going way back before that uh it's abuse though that's his abuse he experimentation goes earlier his abuse started abuse starts at 12 that's when he gets heavy into it before that you, you know, it's casual. You're 10, Jimmy. You're not going to be, you know, it's hard to get out and really, you know, get some blow in you when you're 10. My word. But once you're 12, then you can really, you're worldlier.

You can go out there and score some dope, man. Fuck, brother. That's the other part. At 10, you got gotta find it to experiment oh yeah yeah by then he found a dude by 12 it was around it was around amazing so from 12 uh his future coach uh and future and well former son's coach and his future coach at this point paul westfall oh yeah i said quote from junior high on i don't think richard ever played a game when he wasn't under the influence of something he thought playing high made him better and that

he couldn't play unless he used something paul westfall was in his life that young no no no he was just he knows him got it so yeah this isn't like they're not like i know richard from the time he was 12 little coke head running around powder all over his nostrils i said you little bastard cut the coke out maybe you can do something with your life no he didn't he's just talking about later on but this is what he was kind of told by richard uh after knowing him uh now he would uh he would have you know some beers and shit like that he liked to drink around 12 uh uh you know which i mean that's a little young i would say i was you know i mean it happens yeah

i mean like okay it's regional also yeah it's fucking if you're in wisconsin right now you're going i drank beer at 12 because you drank beer at six because everybody drinks beer at every age there because that's how it is the other thing is that when you were drinking beer at that age no matter where you're by the way we'll be in way, we'll be in Milwaukee on this tour, actually. We're definitely coming. So we'll see your drunk asses. Bring your drunken children with you, please. But the thing is that when they were drinking at that age, they weren't drinking to get

drunk. No, they were just having some beer. Well, that's the thing that they do, too. But they are alcohol. It's a weird thing. They just have a higher tolerance. We go, look, they're not sloppy drunks. Well, they've still had 14 beers.

They've just been drinking since they were 12 and a really good tolerance for it and a liver that's hard as a fucking piece of granite they can deal yeah like my family uh lived in scranton pennsylvania and it's so alcoholic there everybody's a fucking alcoholic yeah and my my family no exceptions my uncle carlos would have a scotch with breakfast jesus i'm talking on the rocks in the glass what with his eggs yeah in the morning he'd go out in the car he had this cadillac and he'd drive around in the car with a glass not a fucking cup not trying a glass a scotch on the rocks yeah you can't ruin it in plastic. Sitting on his fucking cup holder sipping it while he's driving his Cadillac around. That sounds amazing.

Alcoholic. They had kegs. There was kegs in the basement. They had this outside thing with kegs. All the kids drank from the time they were 10. It's just the way it is and they're all alcoholics and drug addicts. I was born at the wrong time because I would have loved to have enjoyed that luxury.

Behind the wheel with a gin? Oh, yeah. With a whiskey? With anything. He did this in the 90s, Jimmy. This wasn't in the 70s. This was Tuesday. Dude, I went there in the 90s with my mom, and he drove us somewhere.

And we're talking 1995, 96, and he's got a glass of fucking scotch just zipping around. He's already hammered, too. It's 10 a.m. He's already hammered a glass of scotch inm he's already hammered glass of scotch in his hand going where are you guys going now so yeah eggs and bacon breath i'm like what are we doing in the car with this guy thanks good parenting thank you thanks for taking me with him you're really sheltering me well thank you this is safe yeah this is much better uh but uh his of cotton fitzsimmons another uh future coach here former son's coach. That's his future coach.

Rest in peace, old man. Oh, yeah. Says, quote, for Richard, it all started with alcohol, but he started drinking at such a young age and then he moved on to other stuff. And that's kind of the way it goes here. Now, his mother, his mother is his mother looks at him like like an angel. Yeah. Like she keeps pictures of him around a bible on the table like she has always has like uh he's not dead by the way no but she always has like a dumas yeah she has like

a memorial to him like on the wire when it's true when uh when the one kid was missing and he's dead and they go to his house they go to the grandmother's house and they're tossing it because they want to arrest the guy and they're like listen motherfucker where i think it was lex i think where is he motherfucker where is he and they're yelling at the grandmother and shit and then they see that she's got this whole candle set up with his picture there and they're like he's fucking dead oh she's not telling us but he's fucking dead probably so then they figured out he was dead they're like hmm we see that shit that's probably not good he's not our suspect you don't know that so well he is but he's dead now too okay he did do the first murder and then he got killed also oh so yeah it was uh that's a great

show who the fuck was it that got murdered now damn it now i'm gonna forget is it that confusing or there's that many people in it there's a there's a lot of people in it but it's just a matter of uh i can't remember if it's one guy or the other because i'm in the middle of being racist i'm all richard look like i'm all rich Yes, actually. Yes. I'm saying they looked exactly alike. And that's why it was not because it's all short nicknames that I'm trying to fucking remember. That is a nightmare because there was the one. There's only so many letters that you can put together with a vowel in there.

Yeah. And make a word. Yeah. Well, it's the dude. The one dude went up to the guy in the parking lot, the dude with the hat that Dennis Wise couldn't fucking shoot.

It wears the goddamn Kangol there, the floppy Kangol. And Dennis Wise, who was out of prison, came up and he's supposed to shoot these kids. He looked right in the face

and he couldn't fucking shoot him. Well, this other guy came up to him because he was fucking his ex-girlfriend or something and he shot him in the fucking head in the parking lot.

And he's like, hey, Keisha, when he shoots this dude in the head and she starts screaming and runs away. Oh, my God. So they're looking for this guy. But it turns out he's already fucking deadisha when he shoots this dude in the head and she starts screaming and runs away oh my god so they're looking for this guy but turns out he's already fucking dead and i can't remember i think i can't remember who it was this is cold-hearted shit yeah it's it's a it's a very

complicated shot a dude in front of a girl oh yeah that was the point because it was his ex-girlfriend so he was like hey you know that's how you send a message yeah that's how you do it there you go hey wear some brains lady i guess whatever happened to by saying, how's your wife and my kids? No fun anymore, Jimmy. I guess not. It's all about putting brains on a person's nightshirt. That's all. Oh, you going out tonight?

You going to get your club shirt on? How about some brains on it? Whatever happened to shaming a dude because he's sucking you off now? You know what I mean? Not cool, man. What happened to that? How I taste, motherfucker. Yeah.

What happened to that shit? Right. Yeah, no. No more more it's not happening now i hope i was clean bitch or something i don't know no there's a lot of shitty comments to be made you don't make any instead you just ignore nope this guy gunplay just giggle and get a better one get gunplay is the only fucking the only thing you can do here baltimore at baltimore boy i'll tell you something else something else so richard dumas so richard dumas's mother has a like has like this shrine to dumas on the coffee table here uh uh she said she put him in basketball because you know genetically he's probably going to be good at basketball since his dad and that's not racist either it is his dad's a basketball player his dad's a fucking basketball player.

I don't give a shit if he's Croatian. It's racist also. She said, well, I looked at him and I said, he is black now. No, his dad's a basketball player and he's tall. So she's like, basketball might be good for him. And not only that, he's rambunctious and he's out running the streets and shit like that. He needs something to get some energy out. If you have an energetic kid, you know what that shit's like.

You need something to appear. Go run for a while. Basketball is so much running. Run around the damn block. I don't care. So she put him in that. He was mischievous and kind of a shithead when he was a little kid here. Good thing that in basketball, stealing is legal.

Yeah. Oh, well, yeah. Well, here. Also, not racist. That's an actual fact. That's an actual fact. Again. kid here uh good thing that in basketball stealing is legal yeah oh well yeah well here and this one not racist that's an actual fact that's an actual fact again again a non-racist actual fact i just caught myself yeah no i know yeah no i got what you're saying okay so but he he's rambunctious and he's apparently into drugs not that his family knows that. But he also doesn't really cause, once he gets into basketball, he doesn't really cause that many problems. He never gets in fights. He had a lot of stupid shit he would do before basketball.

And even when he was into it, he'd break windows, stealing candy from stores. Shit like that that rambunctious kids that don't, I don't have enough supervision to, basically. He said that, he said that, you know, he was so bored as a small child that he had nothing else to do

but turn to drugs and alcohol. So I feel for the guy, pre-Nintendo or anything, you know, or pre-Atari. I'm thinking, you know, he almost,

he's right on the cusp. He really is. He's born five years later, none of this happens. He's fine. He's sitting there playing fucking Defender, doing fine, with his joystick and waiting for Mario to come out. He's retired today and everybody talks about him. Everybody talks about him.

But instead, he's out, you know, dicking off. He says that he tried alcohol at five, which is young. Even for Wisconsin, that's a little young and uh and and weed at nine again too young for weed and i am i'm in i'm a weed enthusiast but nine is a little too young for weed let's just say that hold off on that shit i smoked a cigarette when i was 10 that's a cigarette yeah that does nothing to you in terms of probably did when you're 10 you probably were dizzy i was gonna say you're probably like whoa hey what the hell i was throwing up with my uncle kenny begging on the door he's going isn't smoking fun man that's

the worst that is the fucking worst so he says now this this is what's this is what's fucking funny here. He did drugs and tried weed and started doing everything else when he was young, young. But then he says that he increased his truck. This is amazing. OK, this is the best reason for increased drug use we've ever had in crime and sports. This is a it's almost this is like worth the episode just for this stupid shit right here he says that he increased his drug use including cocaine he got more interested in cocaine because of uh uh former first lady nancy reagan coming out with the just say no policy yeah so tell me no yeah well he said he was just like, just say no to drugs.

Drug sound interesting. Like, that's what it was. So he says, quote, she said, just say no. So it got me interested. He said it brought it to the forefront. We didn't have any big drug problem until Nancy said to say no to drugs. Nobody knew half about it. Now they're showing it on TV and about what it does. So he's absolutely right.

No, that is. I agree with that, actually. I don't know about to escalate, but to that's not going to tell me do it, do it more. Right. But I would say, like, OK, here's here's my take on this is when you say, like, just say no and just say no. And the way that if you look at, like, watch footage of, like, the Reagans, who who if you're very young and are also a fucking idiot were presidents were president and his wife um sorry if you don't know who the president was 30 years ago you're you're a fucking moron i apologize the fucking idiot yeah i don't care

how well don't don't give me that i wasn't even born yet i don't care he was the first one i found out about i knew who eisenhower was when i was a kid you gotta know who fucking reagan is so anyway uh either way just know your history so so uh when they talked about drugs it wasn't like in terms of there was no pragmaticness to it it was just like you will if if cocaine comes into your house and it's in someone else's pocket you could just die on the floor right like you'll just die you'll have a heart attack if it's anywhere near you you're just gonna die immediately so you're fucked it's essentially right because yeah that's what they were telling kids i never thought about doing any hard drugs i mean apart from weed uh yeah until i turned i don't know 15 16 years old because it really in my head the stigma of because we were little fucking die we were little if you're little if you're fucking five and they're

telling you that you believe it because you believe everything they're telling you. So I was in the same boat with yours. Like, oh, Jesus. And then Len Bias died. And they're like, see? Meanwhile, he had a fucking heart problem. That's why he died. He had a coke.

Just he would have died at some point in the near future anyway. But you show a white girl jumping on a diving board and she jumps in head first. Yeah. And they show the pool and it's fucking empty. Then you're like, I'm never doing that drug. Why is her whiteness matter jimmy well that's what it was i'm just no no i know i know just i know what the commercial was but it was funny it was geared to america no it was they were trying no it was geared to suburban kids right because that because they didn't give a shit they were like oh inner city smoke all the crack you want whatever we'll just arrest you

but don't die precious hunter right god damn stephanie heather right stay off the shit heather we need you don't jump into that pool drugs that's what the commercials were though dry pool which is basically the reagan was reagan's political policy also was we care about heather and denisha can eat shit and die so denisha will be in prison for life don't worry it's fine she won't she won't bother you again heather don't you worry about her don't you worry about her no it's okay sweetheart stroking her face i just pictured ronald reagan like 90 years old alzheimer's riddle just yeah stroking a white girl's face going it's okay heather it'll be all right stop

it's gonna be all right mandy my name's heather oh yeah i forgot already that smells like cancer please stop old man so anyway uh it's true though but the problem is if you have a teenager and you tell them that not only do they go well fuck you because teenagers are rebellious but also at the same time if you know anybody who does drugs or did drugs or anything like that if you ever had it around you and you see them not dying yeah then it's like well they're just fucking lying to me that's bullshit and if they're if they're saying it's so deadly and it's not obviously because my friend fucking you know this guy over here is doing fine he does coke all the time he's not dead and liars so fuck it i guess it's fine i guess they just don't want us to do

it because it's good and because and because they're not aiming at aiming their marketing and telling people they're telling the other people not to do it yeah but they're not telling us shit and that's what it is though i feel like if you see proof that it's that they lied to you like that that's proof absolutely you know i see people around me they're. And that's and that's how in the 90s when we came into ourselves as teenagers and saw people doing drugs and nobody was dying and shit. And, you know, the one and if anybody did die, it was always the person who was a fucking disaster. It was like, oh, yeah, they were out of control.

Obviously. Yeah, it was. It was. Yeah, it wasn't just the drugs that we're going to take that person anyway. Well, we noticed the Len Bias thing was was not the norm. That's what it was like. They made the big deal out of that. But that wasn't just the drugs that was going to take that person anyway. Well, we noticed the Len Bias thing was not the norm. That's what it was. They made the big deal out of that, but that wasn't the norm. The norm was someone who does so much drugs, but if you have it sort of under control.

And that made us go, okay, you're all liars. And now we're here. And I was living in a house with a man who smoked weed every goddamn day. That's what I mean. And I see that guy doing fine with his job and going to work. I was around drugs as a kid, too. Everything's fine. Yeah.

That's what I mean. He wasn't having a heart attack every other day and dying. Well, I wish he would now. So he blames Nancy Reagan for his drugs. So all this story, just keep picturing Nancy Reagan, because it's all her fault. this story just keep picturing nancy reagan because it's all her fault uh so uh he goes to booker t washington high school in tulsa uh which is uh apparently a sports powerhouse from what i'm reading uh about here their boys basketball team has 16 state championships wow 77 73 81, 84, 85, 86, 87, 95, 96, 97, 99, 2001, 2002, 2010, 2019. Wow.

They're not fucking around. And they just started being badass again. Again, yeah. They have little cycles and they get new class in there. I mean, 95, 6, and 7. They did three goddamn years in a row. And then they skipped one and hit it again in 99. Hit it again, skipped another, hit it again for a double.

My word. That's impressive. Three girls basketball state titles nine state football championships uh seven boys soccer boys swimming track girls track they have nine wrestling volleyball whatever the fucking sport is they they kick ass how bad do you want to meet that coach all these coaches who are these who are they hiring dude it's a high school yeah well i assume the boys basketball coach isn't coaching wrestling also. He might.

Probably not. Wow. That's usually like a tiny town shit there, though. This is like a big school. Yeah. And people, Wayman Tisdale went here. No kidding. Yeah, Wayman Tisdale, 1985 second overall draft pick, and a goddamn good player, and

a weird neck. Unbelievable jazz musician, too. And a weird, like a strange hunched neck thing. Big head. That's why. Well, he's probably used to ducking, I think. He's real tall. You have to carry that head around.

Absolutely. R.W. McQuarters, who's a cornerback in the NFL for a long time. Wait a minute. Tisdale and he played together in the NBA, too. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. So Bobby Meacham, the wide receiver for the Saints there. A bunch of guys like that played.

A lot of guys. A lot of mediocre NFL players and shit like that. But they have a long list of professional alumni. Dumas, while he's there, one year, is the Oklahoma High School Player of the Year. Wow. And it's pretty competitive there, too. They really give a shit about their basketball in the middle America there. He was an All-American there also at Booker T. Washington, which is amazing.

He went to a national summer camp where he was just blowing everybody away with his athleticism. He's 6'7". He's a little skinny when he goes to college. He's about 200 pounds. He bulks up a little bit later on, but he's not a guy that's going to bump you out of the way with his mass. He's a guy that's just going to jump over your head. And there's not a lot you can do about it.

And he had a good shot, too. Fuck, he was nasty, man. Nasty. Well, anyway, there at the summer camp, he's recruited by Oklahoma State. And that's where he ends up saying he wants to go. And he's a guy who really could have gone anywhere, and he just decided Oklahoma State.

He was rated as one of the top 50 high school basketball players in the nation by all the scouting services. So he was really up there. Is OSU a powerhouse for basketball? Not then. That's my point. They made the tournament. It's funny.

This class, once he leaves, they start being good. How about that? They start being better at basketball and having a good record of making the tournament every year. But it might have been guys like this from Oklahoma going there might have kind of triggered other people to go there possibly. He was considered one of the top two players in Oklahoma and all of Oklahoma, along with Mike Maddox. Nobody knows him. Nobody knows that guy. Hey, everybody.

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I wish. Imagine that. Oh, my God. No one gave a shit. I could have announced I was going to kill the president when I was in high school. No one would have came to it for a press conference. I'm announcing my plan. No one would have cared.

No one would have cared. This guy is just like like i'd like to go there to play some basketball and everyone's gonna all right get there gather around say it again rich fly in from the west side of the state everybody i mean but i drove eight hours to hear him say this to hear a child tell me where he wants to go play basketball full-grown people with mortgages and lawn furniture and fucking extra freezers in the garage that they keep meat in that they bought when it was on sale at costco that kind of people real people you know what i mean like like fucking people like that like are driving right to hear this child tell him does he's going to go. People with bills left their day job to hear this man.

Men with child support payments do. To hear a kid exit world history and tell him his plans. Oh, hold on. Sorry, everyone. I have to get back to class. Good, because I've got to go pick up my kids, Rich. Thanks for your words. Yeah, I'm going to tell you what. I'm gonna take uh ap history and you go pick your kids up and uh it's been a great

press conference everybody i've really thanks for coming i'll be the greatest thing ever can you imagine the fucking avalanche of girls oh my god wouldn't have talked to you 10 minutes ago a press conference oh incredible a goddamn press conference. Oh, incredible. A goddamn press conference is fucking... There are microphones with windscreens inches from your face. And people taking pictures of this. Jesus Christ. In his last season there, he averaged 16.7 points and 7 rebounds, leading them to a 26-2 record. How about that? And they got the Class 5A state title,

and he ranked second in the state with a 60.2 field goal percentage. Okay. So he's nasty, is what we're saying here. He says, quote, Oklahoma State has everything I was looking for, and I just decided not to wait. I was impressed with the coaches, the atmosphere, and the players. Everything.

So he was just kind of impatient, honestly, was the other thing. And we'll talk about here, too. He said he didn't make any other official visits to any other schools, which is crazy. This is basically like, hey, all-expense-paid party visits, 18-year-old kid? Yeah, they're going to hook you up with tons of girls and liquor and weed and anything you want. Absolutely.

Want to do that? Nope. There's pride in him staying home. I can see his angle that there's pride in him staying home and then osu not being a powerhouse yet there's a chance of him being a huge fucking star there it's true i mean he also had home pressure yeah too because he was asked about what other schools he considered they're like okay he didn't make any other visits because he didn't even visit osu he just announced he was going there. They recruited him and he said, sure, don't need to see it.

I'm there, which is weird for a guy of this stature. Yet he knows all about the atmosphere. Knows it all. Well, they asked him about that and about what other schools. He said, quote, I won't say because my mother doesn't want me to talk about other schools. So his mom said, you ain't going nowhere, motherfucker. You're going to be cutting up and fucking doing drugs and everything else. You're going to stay here where i can come visit you and keep an eye on you once in a while you little bastard i know what you're up to mom knows what's up so uh yeah the coach here uh said that uh other schools that actively

recruited him were the university of oklahoma uh arkansas clemson notre dame uh oral roberts which schools except for that yeah oral roberts what is that he was like oral robert that shit sounds good and they were like no no it's a religious he was like oh shit never mind shit that's oral dentistry i was going there i'm going to oral roberts i don't know who she is but this sounds good oral bob i'll be there so uh yeah he picked oklahoma state and he said uh that he picked it over more established basketball programs because he liked the challenge of it also he said quote I wanted to be known as being on the team that made Oklahoma State a good program I think coach

Hamilton could eventually take us to the final four so uh yeah he's uh he's trying and the coach said that he wasn't surprised that Dumas committed because he committed the first day you can commit. The first day you're allowed to commit to a college, he committed. And the coach said, quote, I knew Richard was the kind of kid who didn't want the pressure of having coaches come in from all over the country. He's not very he's not good with the spotlight. He's not good socially. He's OK socially, like person to person. But he's not a guy who wants to be commanding a

room he's not the guy who wants to go be the center of attention he's not charles barkley right who wants to go in and that's not his his game at all he's a quiet guy he kind of is uh he talks a lot about later on about he just kind of grew up around his family and just likes his family and he's not really doesn't really hang out with a lot of people and all that's that kind of shit uh now the coach said of him quote without question he's the best player at our school since wayman tisdale which not too goddamn shabby there uh he said we we've uh we've played him at forward guard and center but i think in college he'll be either a big guard or a small forward he's an excellent shooter a great leaper and a shot blocker uh they said at this point he was a good student he already satisfied his requirements with his college board exams and everything so he's not a dumb guy by any stretch of the imagination

uh 87 88 oklahoma state and this oklahoma state team has john starks on it oh which is fucking crazy which is weird john starks comes up so often on this show. Were they the same age? Yeah, well, John Stark's a couple years older. John Stark's also played. It took him a while to get to the NBA. Stark's didn't go right from college to the NBA. He played in the CBA for a while and the USBL.

He had to work up to playing in the NBA. I must have watched his rookie season then right yeah early 90s he came in but i think this is stark's senior year okay or yeah this i believe is his senior year and it's dumas's freshman year so they cross like that and then starks comes in later okay uh but it's starks and it's dumas so i mean right there that's a pretty good couple of guys a couple future nba players here uh 87 88 team goes 14 and 16 so not great under coach letter hamilton as he said uh richard plays in 30 games starts 26 that's good so they want him in there i mean if you have a team that's not a great program this guy is talented as all

shit he's playing i place 31.2 minutes a game, too. So you're playing a freshman a lot. That's a lot of faith in him. 17.4 points a game as a freshman, which is awesome. Also, 6.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.6 steals, and a block a game he averages. Jesus. He averaged a block a game? Averaged a block a game. This guy covers every piece of the stat sheet he covers. Not a great passer, but that's okay.

He's a kid that's a scorer. So if he plays defense, you're doing something. He's the freshman of the year in the Big Eight Conference, which is awesome. Cotton Fitzsimmons would say about him later, quote, Everyone knew Richard was a talent, but he also had a drug problem, and that was no secret either. They knew then. They knew then. Everyone knew then. Everyone knew in. Wow. Everyone knew then.

Everyone knew in high school. They all knew. That's the thing. The silver haze over all of sports, especially in the 80s. Because in the 70s, it was a lot of like the guys all did drugs, but the owners didn't fucking know about it. They didn't even know what drugs were. They were a bunch of old fart rich guys.

They were up doing coke anyway. They were all martini lunch guys who had a couple on the golf course and all that they didn't know about fucking coke and all that shit or weed they thought that's those hippies they don't know what the hell was going on so they were surprised i think to hear their players were doing drugs in like the 70s at first that's interesting by the 80s they all knew what was going on and they were all like well unless they get arrested or something, we're just going to – what's over here? How you doing, Richard? Yeah, no, I'm looking this way. You come on inside.

It's just they didn't give a shit, man. Get that shit out of my back, Swank. I don't want to know about it. Yeah, and that's kind of what it was like back then for drugs. It was weird, like, hey, there's a drug guy. Yeah, but, you know know look at him dunk that is fascinating because twitter may have twitter may have changed the game just social media in general change the game in terms we might not know what all these guys are doing today apart

from tmz but i mean yeah social media really brought it to the forefront that you can get it's true information out fast yeah especially a fuck-ups well like me just doing research for this show for you know the last 160 episodes now is i've noticed just i can tell where there's information in the last 10 years if you did anything at all it's covered by everything every publication on earth every website every everybody's got a blog for it and this and that there's it's covered yeah if you go like to go to the 70s, they would push that shit under the rug still. There were still police stations that would take the player out the back so the press wouldn't know about it and see him and shit like that. Yeah, so there was a lot of secret arrests.

The press would find out about it later. This guy was arrested a month ago for something, but cops didn't say anything and nobody said shit. It was a lot of that going on. That's fascinating. So many times players are arrested and you cops didn't say anything and they nobody said shit and it was a lot of that going on that's uh so many times players are arrested and you just didn't know about it and then in the 80s it started to become more uh it was kind of more by the book yeah i remember uh hack saw jim duggan and iron cheek wrestlers who were enemies at the time whatever uh they were that got busted on the new jersey turnpike they got pulled over i don't know if you remember this it was the biggest deal in the world.

They got pulled over. Duggan was driving. He had an open container. He was drinking a beer. And Sheik had, he said he had like a half a joint in the ashtray. And Sheik had some coke in his fucking shaving kit or some shit like that. So it was the biggest deal in the world, though, that these two wrestlers were busted together, blah, blah, blah. And Duggan said at the time, he didn't even think anyone was going to find out about it.

They went to the show that night. No kidding. They bonded out and went to the show like nothing happened, didn't say anything, because they were like, oh, hopefully nobody will find out about that. We'll deal with that in a week. Yeah, he said, whatever. And he said that he called his wife the next morning,

and she said, everybody fits on the front page of the fucking paper. His dad was the chief of police in their town oh news day fucking but i mean it was a huge deal at that point so that was kind of the the end that mid-80s was the end of athletes being able to kind of go hey man i'll give you a couple of tickets to the game and let's just forget about this drunk driving what do you say and they would do that shit back in the day all the time so uh richard 1988-89 for oklahoma state they go 17 and 13 they turn around above 500 not bad here richard 28 starts all 28 games he plays 30 minutes a game again not too bad 15.7 points seven rebounds 2. assists, 2.5 steals per game. Two and a half steals a game.

Unbelievable. And 1.1 blocks per game. So he's up in the stat sheet, too. At this point, he's in the top ten in the conference in points per game, steals, blocks, rebounds, and shooting percentage. So, I mean, he's just filling the stat sheet with good stuff. He's nasty, basically. Problem is, by the middle of this season the sophomore season

he starts kind of getting into the drugs and the booze yeah to where they start to notice on the team it affects him you know he shows up to practice hung over or fucked up or not in his best you know in his best whatever even in games he's just there's something off about him sometimes where he just seems like he's a little lethargic or a little slow like what's up with richard man and he's just not uh just not there also uh sometime in here he has a son which isn't good either uh name yeah lauron okay so everyone breathe a sigh of relief sigh of relief lauron good job yeah good job richard nice decision way to go broke that cycle break the cycle uh 89 90 season with oklahoma state the oklahoma state cowboys they go 17 and 14 again uh don't make the tournament any of these years uh here close but not quite

making it this year though he only plays in 12 games starts seven of them averages 12.7 points a game they don't even make the nit uh no they don't even make the nit there uh problem is here uh he ends up leaving school uh he basically he can't do drugs and stay in school at the same time and he's like well i gotta do drugs so i mean bye like his grades are slipping uh his grades are slipping he's fucking off he's fucking up i mean he's obviously doing something and they're like hey dude you can't do drugs and and be here and be a mess and he's like well i'll just leave then later and just fucking takes off it's okay the weirdest shit like he'd say he ends up uh going to israel to play what ends up playing

in israel which is they has there's a lot of leagues over there uh he plays in israel and he says he did that so he could keep getting high wow he didn't want to fucking stick around in oklahoma sober that's boring i'm shocked that he made it to the nba at this point that's what i mean he goes to play israel and is in his car not even like after college or this is while he's he leaves college that's it back then they look they go but but look at him jump though come on whereas now they're like a red flag red flag because it's such a huge investment monetarily back then they still looked at it as like you gotta take a chance they're all crazy what do you want they're ball players ball players are nuts i don't know he

literally left the country to continue his habit he said that uh he had two minor league different teams that he played for in israel he said uh he kept using drugs quote as saddam was bombing me because this was during the gulf war this was this was when saddam was firing scud missiles at israel like fucking crazy all day every day and uh just chopping up an eight ball he's just like it's cool coke and basketball no problem what is that what blew up fine whatever imagine being that like coke paranoid and literally being attacked by missiles by a tyrant by like one of the worst people in in at the at that time period looking out the windows oh shit don't you see anything saddam here you'd be freaking the fuck out i lose my

fucking mind. I couldn't do that. Jesus, it's horrible. I don't even want to be in another country, let alone one under attack. On coke while you're under attack? Right. No thanks. So he's hoping to get drafted in the 91 draft.

That's his goal here. Get drafted. He went to Israel basically so he wouldn't get kicked out of college and then kind of look even worse. Can't fire me, I quit. Basically, yeah. That's kind of what he was doing. Yeah, I quit. So June 26, 1991, the NBA draft.

First player chosen overall. Nick Van Exel? No. Grandmama. Oh, was it Larry Johnson? Larry Johnson was number one. Larry Johnson, number one overall. Kenny Anderson, number two.

Point guard there. Billy Owens, the lost Golden State Warrior of those 90s teams. It was Hardaway, Sprewell, Mullen, Weber, and Billy Owens. That's the other guy. I can see his face. I want to say he was war number 30, just because I remember him from the game, from all the Sega games, being the power forward on that team.

The brightest, whitest dude out there. He's not white. Billy Owens is black as shit. No. Yeah, Billy Owens is black. Why don't I? He's absolutely not a white man. I see him looking like Judd Buechler.

He does not. You just pictured Judd Buechler. He's not Judd Buechler. And Judd Buechler, if you don't know, looks kind of like... He looks like a huge Will Forte, kind of. He's like a... He does. Not a real athletic-looking cat. It's the hairstyle.

He's got the Will Forte hair, which is... It's very... What's the other fuck? Kiki Vandeway. Yeah, yeah, Kiki. Just a super, just insanely... Just a token white dude. What about Tom Chambers?

Eesh. Tom Chambers looks... He was okay. His head, he was such a dork. He's a great player, though, but he looks so silly. He looked like a golfer that got lost. He had that golfer hair. Yeah.

Golfer. He did. He got lost. He's like, this isn't the course. He's got a club over his shoulder. He's got a three-wood over his shoulder, and someone tosses him a basketball. He's like, I'll give this a shot. I'll give this a shot.

And I'm the best player in this team's history. I'm pretty tall. Look at that. Didn't realize. Say the guy's name that we're talking about. Billy Owens. Why do I see a white guy? I have no idea.

You say the name again. You tell me he's black. I see a goofy white guy. It's not him. He got drafted by Sacramento, went to Golden State. Dikembe Mutombo by Denver, number four, waving his finger at everybody there. Miami, the guard Steve Smith. Luke Longley goes seventh to Miami.

Nice pick. Steve Smith had one of the longest careers ever. Yeah, Steve Smith played for a long-ass time. He was good. He played on the second Dream Team. Stacey Augman. Yes. So, Jesus, between Steve Smith and Stacey Augman, that's some Atlanta for a while there.

Yes, a bunch of guys. Greg Anthony, Dale Davis, Chris Gatling. These are some 90s names here going on. Leron Ellis. Jesus Christ. Stanley Roberts. I always thought he was like 100. Say the other one again.

Dale Ellis? Is that what you said? Leron Ellis and Dale Ellis. Okay, yeah. Both of them. Dale Ellis was a great three-point shooter. Dale Ellis was... Dale Davis. No, I said Dale Davis and Leron Ellison ellis not dale i don't think i know dale davis dale

davis was a big pacers power forward got him big tough looking son of a bitch muscular pointy elbows the tough looking son of a bitch uh uh now a lot of first round goes by dumas isn't chosen uh talent wise he's a first he's a top-ten guy, talent-wise. But there's a lot of people that don't want to touch him. Well, no. And Cotton Fitzsimmons said, quote, former Oklahoma State, he's just saying, Leonard Hamilton, who's his coach, who was Dumas' coach in college,

is a good friend of mine, and he told me Richard was not a bad kid. Problems, he had major problems, but Leonard had coached Richard and thought he might be worth a gamble for us. So he does a lot of coke, but we think we're going to take him anyway, which is crazy. He left the country to do coke. Well, the Suns of all teams, because I don't know if a lot of people know about this. We will cover it on the show. teams because i don't know if a lot of people know about this we will cover it on the show there was a big scandal in 1987 where like four different sons players were arrested for drug trafficking

for this big cocaine ring that was going on in phoenix that they were a part of and it was a huge deal like four guys got arrested in federal charges the whole deal i can't wait a big deal and this happened in 1987 so the sons were known as the epicenter of the nba cocaine problem and four years goes by from that and they're like let's draft the biggest coke head in college what do you say it's what i mean that is incredible it's crazy uh he said uh uh they oh no it's all right they said that they the team it caused them the suns completely re-folded their roster in the late 80s. They said they got rid of everyone except Jeff Hornacek, who's way too dorky to do coke.

And Tom Chambers. And Tom Chambers. Well, yeah, he, I think, was gone anyway. All right. He's not playing golf already? Something, yeah, yeah. Yeah, to the early. But then that's when they brought in KJ, and they got Dan Marley, and there was a total new blood.

They got rid of everybody because of that. Hornacek went to the 76ers for Charles Barkley, right? Hornacek? I think that's right. Shit, no, because wasn't Hornacek on the 93 team? He may have come back, but I thought he went to Philly for Barkley. Wasn't it Hornacek? Who the hell was it now?

Ah, damn it. All right, let's not get into this. This is a rabbit hole here. So Cotton Fitzsimmons here, he says, quote, we hadn't had a problem in five years well then it was actually four cotton but uh calm down bad math sir uh we talked about dumas and thought if we could surround him with some good people if we could get him some help uh there was a lot of ifs but we decided to draft him because there wasn't much of a risk because in the second

round you can draft a ham sandwich it doesn't matter because he's not going to play anyway i would really like to watch that comes up to the podium with the 34th pick in the nba draft the 76ers pick a ham sandwich he's got a solid body for down low but uh not much charisma they're saying they're worried about that they're not sure about the marketing possibilities with him but uh definitely some solid bulk down low mustard and tomatoes very complimentary and uh absolutely and also the fact that he's covered in mayonnaise keeps defenders off of him it's very slippery man so it's good stuff i believe he's on rye okay that's disgusting so second round though honestly it doesn't matter if i read you the set i read you the first rounders and you know all those guys, right? Second round, Kevin Lynch, George Ackles, Rodney Moore, Chad Gallagher,

Donald Hodge, Myron Brown, Mike Uzzolino. Know any of these guys? That's the top of the second round. Donald Hodge had his card. He played for the Magic, yes? Donald Hodge played for Dallas, and he played for five years. He was drafted by Dallas. He might have went to the Magic.

I think so, too. But, I mean, the number of years here, Randy Brown is the only guy in the second round there that had any, and Elliot Perry. Elliot Perry, again, from the early 90s Suns. But otherwise, it's a bunch of garbage in the second round. I might be thinking of Donald Royal. I think you are thinking of Donald Royal, as a matter of fact. it so uh uh yeah but finally with the 46th pick the sons say fuck

it and they grab richard dumas why not after him literally uh hardly anything is picked zan tabak is picked who played for six years other than that nobody nobody. Bunch of garbage. So, 91-92 here, that season. He's set to be a rookie. He goes in. They said that he impressed everybody with his athleticism. He was immediately, like, just in the easy first workouts. They were like, holy shit, this guy's even better than on film. And then Cotton Fitzsimmons said, quote,

but right before the end of camp richard tested positive for drugs that's why he was so athletic just got there you just got there you haven't got a uniform yet fucking camp hasn't started they haven't even passed you out warm-up clothes your fucking name on him you dummy uh he said quote in the long run it turned out to be the best thing he had to confront his problem head- on by testing. He didn't really confront it. No. He just fucking. He's confronting his problem that basketball is interfering with it.

He mistimed his piss was all it was, his piss test. And he didn't have Todd Marinovich's Gatorade sunscreen bottle. If you want to know how to pass an NFL piss test, listen to last week's episode on Todd Marinovich. That one is fascinating. It's fascinating. It said, he says, at this point, so automatically he's suspended for this yeah immediately uh he just got there uh and it said that a lot of people didn't give a shit european teams are offering him huge contracts immediately wow like you're suspended come over here we'll pay

you yeah fuck it they didn't care they just need an athlete they didn't give a shit uh over there they don't care they'll take anything literally over there billy ray bates remember they were philippines were happy to have him uh he dominated so uh uh paul westfall said quote what showed us that richard was serious was that he passed on all that money in europe and just went to john lucas's rehab program he didn't go into those uh 30 day wonder programs there was three stages nearly a full year with john luc Lucas and others in the rehab field. How about that? John Lucas is a coach for the 76ers.

So he went to this rehab and almost a whole year of that. Yeah, this whole thing. It's an intensive program. John Lucas is a coach and was a player and a recovering cocaine addict, too. So he had all these rehab centers and he tried to help these players get off coke, basically. So it was tough there. He also, at that point, he played a little bit in the CBA round, just to kind of kick around, average 29 points a game. And then he played with John Lucas's,

had a summer league team that he played with also. John Lucas, or Cotton Fitzsimmons said, quote, Richard is not a criminal. He is not one to hurt others. He is a nice, quiet person. He made a commitment to getting clean, which he didn't do very well at. No, he didn't commit at all.

No, fuck, not at all. Finally, December 16th, 1992, the NBA clears him to return finally december 16th 1992 the nba clears him to return to the suns and the rehab center clears him to return they say he's all good he's good now they literally pulled up in front of the facility dropped him off like a kid with his fucking backpack on and said he's good now and then peeled off their tires and drove away and then he walked in and okay i guess i'm good now there's a is with a snack pack. Enjoy your day. That's it. He's got a little lunchbox. Yeah.

He's got a juice. I just picture him six, seven with a little juice box in his hand. I asked her for Capri Sun, man. Fucking mom. This matzah's horse shit. Damn it, man. Bullshit. I want a Capri.

Fuck, never mind. So February of 1993, he ends up being pulled over for speeding in his jeep grand cherokee uh it has the script it has a script written on it it says doom boom oh for some reason uh which is his nickname which is also tattooed on his left arm is it really doom boom wow i don't know and he's got that across the back window yeah and and cedric sabalas said 20 years later, he still saw that car driving around town. It wasn't his anymore. Somebody had it because he saw a doom boom still on it. He's like, that's fucking hilarious.

That is hilarious. So, yeah. Problem is, he wasn't doing anything bad. He was on the way to the hospital for the birth of his son. He was racing there. So the cops actually gave him an escort. Very nice. And took him to the hospital.

Didn't give him a ticket. He actually had a legitimate reason for going. So he a son name no richard jr no motherfucker he blew it he blew it man he was in the clear he was first kid was born yeah you dodged that that's what it is he didn't have any pride yet now he's a now he's accomplished something junior i'm amazing richard jr that's who you're going to be. Why? I mean, you failed your drug test. You went to rehab.

You came out. Things are good. And then you do this? No, man. You're just asking for trouble. So, fuck. So, yeah. He has a son named Richard Junior.

He messes that up right away. Breaks the crime and sports commandment number one. Thou shalt not name your son Junior. And jumped right back. He broke the cycle and sports commandment number one thou shalt not name your son junior and jumped right he broke the cycle and then jumped right back right back in it like a dick see it can't help it uh 92 93 phoenix suns this is a kind of a magical yeah run here this is everything for them yeah this is my mom had moved out here the year before i lived in new york still but i came out here for summers and christmas and shit and uh i liked the suns a lot i went to the first game uh when barkley was here and there's an exhibition game and i went to that and i charles barkley was my favorite player

growing up always so great him coming here was like oh my god this is amazing my fucking team got my favorite player yeah so uh yeah that's why I'm bitter at basketball. My teams are the Knicks and the Suns, and I'll never see any winning ever. Any smiles. I'll never be happy. Anytime you get a smile, they dash it for you. Gone. Gonna kill me.

It's gone. It's absolutely fucking gone. So the 92-93 Suns, though, almost made us very happy, all of us here. Meanwhile, John Paxson still probably gets blowjobs. Yeah, he actually talks about that, too. Really? West Fall said when they left the huddle there,

do not leave Paxson open for three. Whatever you do, don't leave him open for three. Let Grant get a layup down low. I don't give a shit. We'll go to overtime. Don't leave Paxson alone out three. He said that's the only thing we did was leave him fucking alone for three. So they went in.

Horace Grant had a wide open layup. Everybody looked at him to play defense on him. For some reason kicked it out to paxton dunk perfect wide open three done bye bye son i remember that i broke my heart as a teenager that was bad stuff well this team though uh a hot shit team man this was great uh the uh uh the roster here charles barkley obviously at the top and this was it's hard to we have a lot of young listeners it's might be hard for you to imagine you see charles barkley now he just he's like a fat old man sitting there he's opinionated dick he's oftentimes wrong you can't picture him running no you couldn't picture him breaking in with jog right now this motherfucker 20 years ago, 25 years ago, oh, my God, was he nasty.

I mean, he could move. He could fly. He could dunk. He could jump. He could shoot. He was nasty as shit. He was so much fun to watch. It was him and Michael Jordan.

Yeah, they were one and two. They were the two best in the NBA. That was it. And Barkley had the greatest attitude. I loved him. He was a dick. And he was just kind of like, I don't know, leave me the fuck alone. I just loved him. You know, he was the dick and he was just kind of like i don't know leave me the fuck alone i just loved him yeah you know he was the i always liked this the the the the second guy yeah i

always like like the mouth yeah i didn't like tony hawk i like mike mcgill i didn't like michael jordan i like charles barkley like that's you know what i'm saying i'm always like uh i was like the guy nobody else like like dennis rodner was my favorite yeah he's great obviously yeah yeah but everybody loves the bulls and everybody's like, yeah, I like Michael Jackson. I like Michael Jordan. I like Scottie Pippen. But I was always the fucking, the ugly, weird guy was just always my favorite. Yeah, well, that's always fun, too.

The guy who's especially like Rodman, who was a nut in the way he played. Just a problem everywhere. Yeah, he's great. Danny Ainge on this team, who runs teams now unbelievable cedric sabalas that we've talked about tom chambers who is still on this team no kidding yeah absolutely chambers fraff kevin johnson and frank johnson yep the johnson twins there who are not twins uh so dan marley oliver miller right kurt rambis mark west wow this was a fucking squad hot rod williams on that team? Not yet.

He came a couple years after. This was Mark West and Oliver Miller were the centers on the squad. And then they had Jared Mustaf, too, who came in. Oh, Jesus. He was terrible. He's a mess, too. He's got problems. He could be an episode.

Oh, boy. So in his first game Dumas played, he played in 17 minutes. He had 16 points. Wow. Which is fucking hot shit off the bench that's instant offense yeah uh 16 points in 17 minutes in a game against the lakers in his fifth game he scored 27 at denver uh a game against denver and uh he they had to start him uh paul westfall said quote richard is not not only is physically gifted he really knows the game and is fundamentally

sound for him to come out at mid- and start for us, that's remarkable. Absolutely. He wasn't playing. He was playing in the USBL like three months before that, dicking around. And now he comes into the NBA and just fucking pops on the court and starts dominating. Look up highlights of this guy. It's fucking impressive. The guy is amazing.

I can't say enough for his lost potential. What is that starting lineup? Is it Barkley, Dumas, West? It's KJ. Kevin Johnson. It should be KJ, Marley, West, Dumas at the small, and Barkley at the power. That's a pretty good lineup. It's a pretty good fucking lineup. That's a lineup that runs a lot.

We're weak at center, and Barkley's a small guy. We're weak down low. Oh, yeah. Mark West is 6'10", and he wasn't even a big center. He didn't play big, and Barkley's a goddamn 6'4", and those are our rebounders. That's why every time a center got the ball, they called a foul. They were too little and couldn't do it.

They just, oh, jump on him. Right. So, yeah, John Lucas, who was coaching San Antonio at the time and who did his rehab stint there, he said, quote, he's Dr. J with a jump shot. Oh, boy. A lock for the 96 Dream Team. Dr. J with a jump shot.

Do you understand what that like out there? I know, Jimmy, you do. Dr. J is fucking he's Dr. J. Right. How many basketball players do you know by a nickname? And that most people don't even know his fucking name. That's how good he is. The man has a phd in

basketball in basketball ology good fucking dr j i mean that's a bad motherfucker but he could he could fly through the air like dr j he's about that size that mid-range six six six seven six eight like dr j was where he could kind of do anything he could play a guard he could play a forward fly through the air but dumas could shoot from the outside yeah dr j shot like shit all through his prime years he got better later but i'm remembering richard dumas was with hair and he was really really good and then he shaved his head and i was like who the fuck is that right i think later on he did yeah shaved his head and he had a weird fucking head well you want to hate him even more now because we liked him and we i wanted a richard duma's jersey and everything like i dug this motherfucker uh he was uh at one point and we'll talk about what made it fall through he was part of a deal that would have that was ready to

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and the whole deal falls through. And that's how it fell apart? That's how it fell apart. That's how Rodman went to the Bulls. Damn you! So that Bulls dynasty, Dennis Rodman was a big part of that fucking dynasty. That is because Richard Dumas can't stop doing coke.

That team would not have been that team if this wouldn't have happened. How weird would that have been, that your favorite comes here and my favorite comes here? have loved that i love dennis rodman each other back then i love it man who would have been playing power i guess he would have played uh center or small forward it doesn't even matter at that point who cares throw him out there dude no one's getting those are the two top rebounders in the league barkley and rodman that's it a ball misses it's 20 rebounds 15 a game 35 boards a game between these two good luck they don't give

a shit about offensive side because i mean mark west didn't score for shit either put rodman down there who cares man he's a horrible free throw shooter oh he's a fucking thing no he wasn't a good scorer it was just a body on the floor but uh fuck man so uh yeah he was that good oliver miller you might remember him the overweight uh son's center bizarre man uh he said quote richard could have been one of those guys like kobe or lebron uh he had that kind of talent barkley called him unstoppable he said quote he's just amazing he said quote he's probably the most talented player i ever played with but he had those demons with the drugs so which sounded like an old man yeah had them demons with the drugs tell you what these young kids with they drugs all the time

so old man say that yeah got a problem with the drugs that's how he'd say it though the drugs like an old he's gotten he's his talk is a good man got a problem with the dogs his speech has gotten so much older he sounds like such an old man now uh and through the teeth it's so weird he's a weird dude so they talk about him uh uh like one game he's very emotional too one game they said he the team uh won a triple overtime game but they didn't really play him in the overtimes uh so uh they said he was visibly upset uh paul westfall said quote every player if they feel they're going they're going good and they get removed from the game unless they're too tired to keep going, they don't like it.

Some players learn to hide their feelings a little better than others, and Richard does wear his feelings on his sleeve. But as long as he's ready to play when he goes back in there, I can live with a little bit of that. So he's too good to break his balls about sulking, is what he said. Who gives a shit? In the 92-93 season, he plays in 48 games 32 games started so that's a lot 15.8 points a game which is just what he had in college is in the nba now two point

uh i'm sorry 4.6 rebounds 1.3 assists uh 1.8 steals still so starting with a fucking 0.8 blocks too so he'll still get up there uh the suns end up uh like we said having a very good year they go 62 and 20 which is great uh first round of the playoffs they beat the lakers three to two uh that was the end of there that's when they were they had to restart that was the reset button on the lakers uh they beat the spurs uh four to two in the good team that's a real good team then they beat the sonics that was the best team the payton a real good team. Then they beat the Sonics. The best team. The Payton and Kemp Sonics.

The best Sonics they ever had. They were really good here. They beat them in a seven-game series, too. That was a brutal series. I remember that. And then they go to the Bulls to play in the finals. And that game six where John Paxson hit a three-pointer that we were talking about earlier and broke the Suns.

Otherwise, they almost had... It was close. It was close. And they still did a parade. That's what I was like. That's sad. What are you doing a fucking parade for? We're proud to lose?

Fuck you! Well, game five, the Suns were facing elimination. Dumas was 12 of 14 shooting and scored 25 points on Scottie Pippen. In the finals. In the finals. 12 of 14 with pippen pippen's a good defensive player especially back then he was still at legs holy shit i mean he just owned scotty pippen no he couldn't guard him 25 on 2 of 14 shooting 12 of 14 shooting is nasty

that's incredible so two shots he missed two shots yeah that's pretty fucking impressive and that helps the suns uh you know not be Uh, problem is when they were in Chicago, there was reports coming in that Dumas was seen in a bar near the, near the team's hotel drinking by himself. That's not good for recovering. Drinking by himself. Yeah. It wasn't even like out partying,

trying to get, you know, whatever he was to your room. He was drinking by himself. Yeah. Not good. Uh, reports get back about that. And that's obviously, uh, not himself. Yeah, not good. Reports get back about that, and that's obviously not terrific.

But he makes $140,000 for that season because he was there short, prorated. But he has such a good season, and that finals performance made him a fucking star. Yeah, it did. The Suns gave him, the end of the season a five year nine million dollar contract oh my god which was great for then uh only thing is he's to be drug tested daily yeah which is because that buys a shit load of cocaine that buys a lot of cocaine and a lot of a lot of real easy ways to fuck up and yeah uh let's grace let's say grace nine million dollars drug tested daily grace daily daily great it's not gonna go any further than this without grace what are we getting here

make a goddamn break if you are in a position a professional something you're being paid to do it and your boss drug tests daily daily they do do not trust you. Good morning, Richard. Pissing this. What? Every time you see that guy, you see his cock before you have coffee. Every time.

That's amazing. Let's have a good Richard cock. He just walks into the facility with his dick hanging out. I know what y'all want. Hand out for a cup. Where is it? So, $9 million.

Everything's great. The of uh 1993 yeah it's wonderful fucking wu-tang albums coming out fucking naz this is a wonderful summer he's got getting gonna get nine million dollars just did a kind of great game in the finals things couldn't be going any better for him and then september 15th 1993 rolls around which is three months later it's right he's right after his contract and uh the team says quote richard has come forward to tell us he has a drug problem we are aware that he has chosen not to cooperate with his counselors as of right now so he just comes and he's like i've been fucking up i've been doing coke i'm not gonna do what you say i'll see you later i'm not gonna stop and leave i gotta go did i mention i'm gonna go do

more coke because i am that's what i got going on there's a lot of it too what was the i got a fucking pile of it back there it's awesome nine million i bought my signing bonus i just did it i got so much coke you guys i just traded the check for coke and signed it to this guy and he said i'll give you that much in cocaine what was the epiphany sitting down with that mound starting and then going this i'm gonna fail yeah i'm definitely not gonna i should just go tell them i should just tell them that i'm doing this that way i'll just keep doing it i guess i don't know i admire the honesty that's what they were they were very like we all had like this tacit agreement that you do coke and we pretend

like you're doing fine and you're clean and you score 25 points in the finals and then everybody's fine. We do everything all over again next year. You're fucking this up. You don't come to me and say, I have a problem because then you might get help, which will then mean you're not around here and then how are you going to score 25 points in the finals? How silver is my hair?

Are you looking at this? Because I need you. I can solve this problem because I'm just going to do the coke. Yeah. What about the basketball? No, no, no. I'm just doing the coke. Doesn't matter.

I'm just doing that over this. It's fucking ridiculous. This is crazy. And they say eligibility will ultimately be decided by a team of league-sanctioned drug counselors, not the team, as per the league's anti-drug agreement which we'll get into specifically in a minute the anti-drug agreement uh jerry colangelo who at the time was the owner of the sons said quote if they came to me and said richard is ready to come back i would have a serious problem it's got to be a two-way street he has a problem a very serious problem we'll be supportive of richard we wish him wish him the

very best but we can't count him in our plans. That's actually, at least honest. Apparently, the drug counselor said he checked himself into a substance abuse treatment center in Houston, admitted his problems. They advised him to check into the adult substance

abuse center program in suburban LA, where the league sends players for initial treatment, and he said no and just went home to Tulsa instead. That's the place you go. I'll just go home where I know everybody and where their coke is plentiful and it flows like water. Are you fucking kidding me?

Hasn't he ever heard about LA? There's coke everywhere. Hasn't he ever heard of crime in sports? Don't go home. You've already named your kid Junior, now you're going home? What the fuck is next, man already jesus christ so uh yeah he he sought treatment like that uh he's a mess at the moment here uh his his agent said quote we're concerned about richard's medical problems richard felt he needed further help from john lucas and his people in recovery that's why he voluntarily checked back in.

At this point, we don't know what action the NBA will take as far as Richard seeking further help. So they're trying to, I don't know, his agent's trying to turn it into something that it's not. Yeah, something positive. Making it a fucking medical issue. No, no, no. Your boy's on drugs, bro. He got a bunch of money and decided that he liked Coke. Right.

And he's sitting there going, I just like the smell of it. You know what I'm saying? He's doing one of those. This is a priority issue. Hey, man, I don't like Coke, man. I just like the smell of it, man. This is a guy with two children. Oh, yeah.

One of them named after him. A very lucrative career. Sort of. Coke. Coke. Coke. It's about Coke, Jimmy. I'm good now. More Coke. Cocaine. Coke. Coke. Coke. It's about Coke, Jimmy. I'm good now.

More cocaine. Right. He said, quote, his agent also said, quote, I talked to Richard on Monday and he said his plans are to return to the Lucas Center. This is all participated by Richard asking for help, which, OK, counseling, substance abuse patients. It's a it's a traumatic, exhausting process. I certainly think it's premature to say Richard is not cooperating with his counselors.

I think John Lucas agrees with me also. And then Jerry Colangelo said, quote, he has to be a willing participant in the treatment program. And thus far, he hasn't been right now. If I were he, I'd be in that program as quickly as possible. He has to report maybe he doesn't have the ability to make that decision it's an insidious insidious disease good lord wow fucking colangelo hates his guts he really does he's like you piece of shit you piece of garbage colangelo's like fucking vince mcmahon you get out of my get off the court and put these

overalls on i've had it with you you're going to be a real estate mogul like me. Now that man, he owns fucking everything. Yeah, he does. He has so much land. He just owns everything. He just owns Phoenix. I got an idea. Buy the Suns again and make them not shit.

How's that? For the love of Christ. Someone. I don't care who buys the Suns. Somebody take Sarver hostage. Fuck. I don't care if Kim Jong-un buys the sons make them better i'm tired and the knicks buy them both fucking line dolan up in front of a fucking firing squad

and get him out of there like you do with your ministry of whatever the fuck political people and fix them give that leprechaun that owns the sun like two million more than it's worth. Go upside down and fix this. Go underwater and fucking come out smiling. Fix it. Ridiculous. It's all bullshit. Now, the thing here is, though, this counts only as his first strike.

NBA is a three-strike policy. This counts only as the first strike because the previous first strike was before he was actually under a league contract. Got it. So it was right before he signed, so that didn't count. His previous first strike was before he was actually under a league contract so it was right before he signed so that didn't count his previous his previous first strike didn't count there was a should be his second there was some garbage blowing behind the pitcher so the ump called time out before he before the pitcher wound up and he didn't notice it so uh yeah uh he just said colangelo says there's no timetable and he's not playing for us right now.

Don't know what the fuck to tell you. No timetable for release. When he's released, he won't be able. He won't be. It won't be to play basketball. There will be a reacclimation period as late as it is in the season. He won't be back this season. So they're saying basically you're fucking done for the year.

Ninety three. Ninety four. So he said, all I can say is hope richard gets his problem ironed out that stuff must be more horrible than we can imagine nobody can understand why he made the decision that he's apparently made it must be some horrible powerful stuff it's cocaine yeah it's both of those things you could have called it three beautiful horrible powerful stuff. That's what you could call cocaine. That's because that's how people take it.

I like Colangelo pretending like he probably didn't try it before. Yeah. Stop it, you rich old fuck. It must be powerful, horrible stuff. I'd never snorted off a black prostitute's hindquarters ever. That's never happened. Never. No, no, no. While other NBA owners cheer me on.

Never happened before in green somewhere. Never. No, no, no. While other NBA owners cheer me on. Never happened before in my life. Never. And poor 25-year-old Scotch over my head. It's never happened. The guy from Miami. Whoever owns the Heat certainly gave him some. I'm sure of it. And we told her to take those pants down.

We're going to do cocaine off your bare ass. We can see it better. The anti-drug the anti-drug policy uh the first strike uh is uh he is suspended without pay until league sanctioned drug counselors approve his return if he refuses to cooperate or this is uh uh with the counselors to suspend the whole suspension is without pay if he refuses to cooperate the second strike is a subsequent voluntary admission of drug use the player is suspended without pay until drug counselors approve his return to play so he will not make any money for this season he just signed that contract and they won't give him a dime

because that's in it the third strike results in lifetime banishment from the nba the player must apply for reinstatement after two years but it's not automatic so he can apply after two years uh and it says if the league suspects a player of drug use it may present evidence to an independent expert if probable cause is found the player may be tested a positive drug test results in immediate lifetime banishment regardless of whether the player has any strikes in the voluntary program regardless the player may be uh may apply for reinstatement after two years yeah if they have to hunt you down trying to get you to volunteer uh so the 93 94 team he's suspended the team still goes 56 and 26 uh they beat the warriors in the first round swept them 3-0 and then lost to that fucking nasty rockets team in the second round the rockets go on to win

the championship and vernon maxwell vernon You're goddamn right. You're goddamn right. A key melange you want. Nasty. Kenny the Jetsmith. That's right. Suspended here. So he's suspended the whole time. He says, well, let's do it in their own words.

What do you say? Let's find out what's on Richard's mind and what he's going through here. He says, quote, in their own words, quote, the only people I ever knew was my family back home, so I wasn't with anybody in Phoenix but Oliver Miller. Me and him hung out sometimes. Other than that, I never really messed with anybody. I think it was a lack of maturity. I took care of myself all that time and trying so hard to get there that I feel like I was

on top of the world. I think it was a lack of maturity. I would say, yeah, that's a good way to put it. Lack of fucking maturity. He says that much later, by the way, obviously. Now, March of 1994, he moves his wife and two sons to Phoenix because they had left and gone to Tulsa and he was in Houston and anticipating his return to the sons.

He goes to the program and he participates and he ends up cooperating. And John Lucas... Realizes that it cost him over a million dollars. Yeah. This is going to stink. I feel like John Lucas said, are you fucking stupid, man? And friends,

even Oliver Miller's like, I love that contract. Get out of your goddamn mind and get your ass back here. Of course, I had that money. Yeah. So he's back April of, March of 1994.

He's anticipating return to the Suns. Everything looks good. April 19th, 1994, Dumas, he's in the parking lot of a city park. he's in a park in phoenix uh near like basketball and volleyball courts and he's got a jeep cherokee uh with the

stereo audible from 300 feet away oh boy uh i guess the law is that uh it can't be heard for more than 50 feet away i guess it's like across the park he's fucking bumping his system who gives a shit uh and it's 1994. There's good music out to bump in 94. Jesus, the Chronic is out. Fuck, that's old. That's been out for like two and a half years. That's a big deal still.

That's fucking old. I was still banging it. Not where I was from. That was lame as shit. Fuck that shit. We are fucking Method Man's new album was almost out. That was like 94, 95 after Wu-Tang. Biggie just came out.

First Biggie, Nas, fucking Mobb Deep. All this shit came out. Crazy on East Coast. I was thinking about Tupac's All Eyes on Me. I don't know if that came out yet. I think it's the next year that came out. You got that. There's a lot of shit.

There's good stuff going on. Yeah. A lot of stuff happening right now. Gangsta rap is in its heyday. Yeah. There's a lot to blare out of your system. You can't help it. Good bass lines and old cool beats.

The best ones. Yes. Well, anyway, he's cited for violating a noise ordinance, and then they figure out that he is also wanted on a failure to appear for a two-year-old speeding ticket that he never took care of, and he's arrested for that like a fucking idiot in the park. So he pays $106 bond, $106 106 50 and released uh getting there just for reference do you know which park it was they did not say which park it was but i do have some very specific

phoenix information later on on a on a future crime i'm gonna love it you're gonna like it so 94 95 sons roster now he's back on the team again here uh this team goes 59 and 23 uh they go to the playoffs they sweep the trailblazers in the first round and then again a seven game another heartbreaking seven game series to the rockets who go on to win again again they were just unstoppable you were not you're not you weren't denying akeem in those years it just wasn't happening especially if you had mark west as your center right it's not the only one getting close was David Robinson. And he still couldn't do it. Shaq was good at that time, but Olajuwon was so skilled. Ewing was really good at that time, too.

Ewing was still really good at that time, too. In the East, too. In the East, too. Yeah, in the West, he was the center to beat. Olajuwon's going to the championship every year. And he did for a while there. So 94-95 for Richard Dumas, though. He plays in 15 games.

He starts one. He averages 5.5 points a game. 1.9 rebounds, point and a half an assist. Not even a whole steal. Just not the same guy. I mean, he hasn't played in a year or two, so they've got to work him in there. But he makes $1.3 million. Wow.

So that's what his contract's for. Jesus. So that's a lot of cocaine baby yeah that's good shit and you hadn't didn't have to do shit no you're looking at that in the bank and you're like well then i'm going out tonight what am i doing with all this basketball papa needs a new pair of shoes with coke in them yeah yeah those are the new coke bottom shoes they got so uh may 18th 1995 uh uh right at the end of the season or right before the end of the season the suns wave him oh no so he's released by the suns uh he says that the

release came because he missed a drug test when he said he said he called the team this is what he said i called him to tell him that i wouldn't be there because i was on vacation right i went on what had happened i went on vacation see and they wanted me to drug but i called them but i couldn't nobody answered that's what he said he said i called the answering machine he said i couldn't reach anyone at the and the entire son's organization i couldn't reach anyone there was no one had a voicemail set up. It's 95. There's no answering machines, no voicemails. There's no receptionist. They got pagers, goddammit.

No receptionist you can leave a message with. Nothing. I called. It just kept ringing. So I said, fuck it. I'm on vacation. Never mind. No.

That's the worst excuse. You can get a hold of a professional sports. He could have called the ticket office. Sure. They're open all the time. They would have answered, hey, how you doing? Richard Desher. Well, that's fine. They would have transferred him right up open all the time they would have answered hey how you doing richard sure well that's fine they would have transferred him right up the fucking line they would have found somebody there for him call someone they'll get you to al mccoy on the radio somebody yeah but he said that it was just a misunderstanding

he says at this point quote i said i know they're paying me a lot but this is too stressful that's what he said about having to make a phone call. That's too many phone calls. I can't make a phone call, tell people I'm going on. I have to tell you I'm going on vacation? That's too stressful. Why do you think I'm going on vacation? All these fucking phone calls, man.

Trying to get away from this shit. Shit, man. You guys keep just making me make phone calls. For a million three a year, I got to make phone calls now, too? I got to dunk and make phone calls? Fuck, man. Am I a receptionist? Yeah. What am I yeah am i he said yeah i know they're paying me a lot but this is too stressful it was nerve-wracking they pay you to do that work but that's work after work leave me alone i just got tired of it his thing was the daily testing he's like after work let me do a

bunch of cocaine leave me the fuck literally what he said he's like i get while i'm there i'm not allowed to be high totally understandable i get that but when i get off work i'm gonna fucking do shit loads of cocaine how does that affect you my personal time it's none of your business my time right coke time dumas's coke time damn it dickie's coke time he had a contract like that that is all their time it's yeah it's all there that's a of money to time off it's a lot of fucking money uh so september of 21st 1995 the 76ers take a chance on him and that is because lucas uh is now the 76ers coach and general manager now it makes sense so they said we like this guy and he knows how talented he is and he knows you know his problems uh he uh he said iverson isn't there though right not yet no no he... Who do they have right now?

Jesus. Did he get there by now? 95? I don't think so. Did he just start? 97 was his rookie year or some shit? I don't remember. Allen Iverson, I want to say.

I want to say he was in Georgetown in 96. Okay. I think so. But this was a bad... This was a rebuilding team for the Sixers. He said that Dumas, his troubles are in his past. It's all behind him. He's good now. Imagine announcing that this guy's good now.

I'd be like, I don't know. You should ask him. But he seems alright. He's not high this minute I don't think, anyway. He says that he's going to bring excitement to the 76ers. Which is true. Derek Coleman's there. They've got excitement. Yeah. Well, he says, quote, Richard Dumas is a guy, I think, who has his life in order.

When you're talking about basketball and talent, there aren't many people more talented than Richard Dumas. And they said that just because he had problems in the past doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to build a future, which is true. He says, quote, what should I tell you? That I pass on guys like Richard Dumas for having some of the same problems that i had that all uh that all of us have as a community i should pass and let somebody else get him because the coach happens to be recovering so he's like no i'm just because i'm here and it's i'm taking the coke guys because also on this team with him is vernon maxwell oh jesus so this is uh yeah this is there's so many players on this team because guys came in and out. Sean Bradley's on this team.

Vernon Maxwell. Derek Coleman. Greg Grant. Not even Gary Grant. Not even the good one. They have Greg Grant and Jeff Malone. Not Gary Grant and Carl Malone. That's amazing.

That's awesome, man. Ed Pickney, who was fucking pretty good. Scotty Skiles, who... He's great. Great coach and good three-point shooter. Clarence Weatherspoon. A lot of guys on this team here. It doesn't matter. This team sucks.

They're fucking terrible. They're all at the end. 18 and 64, this team was. This is a mess. If you see an NBA team with 22 players that played on their roster that year, they're a mess. Oh, my God. That's a disaster. That's not a good squad.

Yeah, they're terrible. Their attendance that year, this is for the whole season, 476,016 people. 28th of 29 teams. Ouch. Second to fucking last. Who had least? Probably that time. Jesus, I don't even know.

Vancouver, maybe. Bucs, maybe. Maybe that's where they moved them. They were new still, though. Maybe the I don't even know. Vancouver, maybe. Bucks, maybe. Maybe that's where they moved them. They were new still, though. Maybe the Bucks. Maybe the Nuggets. The Clippers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's who it was. They were a mess, and the Lakers were good. It was probably the Clippers. That's what it was. That's weird. They probably had seven people, and they were all-season ticket holders. Probably. Yeah, yeah.

Some shit like that. Yeah, so who knows here. Turns out, though, at one point, Dumas is kind of lethargic, and Lucas says, I don't understand why he's lethargic. I mean, I get that he doesn't have coke in his system and that, but shit, what the fuck here? He says that he spent time trying to ignite a spark in Dumas, and he hasn't seen one. He says, quote, I told Richard this was the last house on the block.

I told him, Richard, if you can't play for me, you can't play for anybody. He said, I was a cokehead. I'm the guy who takes you in when you're a fucking mess. I'm it. If I'm not going to do it, nobody else is. I'm the only guy who will take a chance on you here. Coach Carl is going to put up with this shit. No, I love that.

Last house on the block, he told him it was. This is it, man. He plays in 39 games, starts 14 of them, 18.9 minutes per game 6.2 points two and a half rebounds 1.1 assists 1.1 steals not terrific and that's the last time he'll play in the nba that's it that's it 102 total games average 10.6 points 3.4 rebounds 1.1 assists 1.3 steals and that doesn't even... Four seasons? That's it. Three he actually played in. Wow.

The fourth one when he was suspended. And that so doesn't tell the tale of this guy. You can watch him in one game and just go, oh, wow. How the hell did that... Wow. Okay. You know, it's shocking because he was so good, and anybody that watched basketball at that time knows who the fuck he is.

Oh, because he was... And he got... That's it. Yeah. He could have been... He was so fast in the NBA, and you know who he is. And you know's it yeah he could have been he was so fast in the NBA and you know who he is

and you know who he that's how amazing he was 25 points in a finals game on Scottie Pippen going 12 of 14 from the floor and later on too when they were interviewing

guys about it Jordan said I don't know why we're not covering that fucking guy like we need to play better defense on that guy because he's killing us

right now who? yeah we don't even know who he is yet he's just talking shit about Pippen there and Pippen's like what hey fuck you jordan you fucking cover him then everybody that doesn't buy your jersey buys mine shut up you're covering marley for christ's sake

guys slower than a fucking buick and you're fucking you're guarding a buick and i'm guarding fucking this guy jumping over my head like he's off a trampoline, you asshole. The least athletic guy in the NBA. You're covering him. Tell you what, let's bet how many points he's going to have tomorrow. What do you say, Mikey? Want to bet? Wink, wink, wink.

Oh, we're not talking about that because it's only 93. Yeah, all right. Fine, motherfucker. That's cool. Oh, that's all right. You be perfect, bitch. Unbelievable. Wow.

So, yeah, he plays. jesus he plays for the 76ers uh he does get a pass for everything he does yeah it's fucking unreal good god everything he died yeah jordan's uh he wore a hitler mustache we've talked about that everybody has and people are like well you know no it's jordan gets a pass so uh So he's released by the 76ers here. And he says, quote, I just played for fun and was blessed to do it. I didn't get caught up in all that. People took it more serious than I wanted. Basketball ain't my problem.

Life was. It was off the court. I had my problem. This has been a lifelong thing. I lost interest. I got bored with basketball. Well, wow. Lots of people get bored with their jobs but they still have to do them because they want to make a fucking living especially if

they had a nine million dollar contract because i gotta pay for things i got kids to feed i would okay if i had a five-year nine million dollar contract and it would could be for any i would go around just rousing homeless men while they slept to clean their assholes that would be my i would do it for that that's my job city asshole cleaner i go around just find the dirtiest homeless people i could find and just wake them up and just get it with a toothbrush really fucking scrub it good and man there you go all all back all better and then put them back together and slam slam a son's bumper sticker on his cheek compliments of the sun sir nine million i am the best asshole washer in this fucking that this city's ever seen i'm gonna be

the best this guy i'm bored just bored with it every wrinkle of that balloon knot will be spotless scrubs and it's like who could just play basketball it's fun what's wrong with you when i was that at that time of time period i would have lost my dollars if somebody said that phrase to my face i would have kicked him in the dick yeah you're fucking mine nine million dollars jesus you idiot and he says that and it's so funny he it's a front because he can't just say i just was more interested in coke right then because that's what it was because the next that year in 1996 he goes to europe to play so he wasn't bored with basketball he was bored with getting drug tested every day he didn't like that he liked fucking doing coke and playing basketball together

these things go together for me it's like peanut butter and jelly, and you're going to tell me no jelly? Coke and basketball. Fuck, man. It's a delicious sandwich. It's a good sandwich. So 96 through 98, he's got a bunch of 96 through 99-ish, a bunch of mess here. He goes to Croatia. He plays center there because he can jump, and it's Croatia. Isn't that where Tony Kukoc is from?

That's absolutely where he's from. What was he playing? He's playing for the Bulls at that point. I mean, what was he, what position did he play there? Fucking, yeah. The hoop? Well, he couldn't, well, Kukoc was like 6'9". Was he?

Yeah, I don't think he didn't have the ups. I thought he was so much bigger than that. Dumas was one of those dudes that could touch the back of the top of the backboard type of guy. Yeah, but I picture. He was insane. But Dumas wasn't. No, he's so much bigger than that. Dumas was one of those dudes that could touch the top of the backboard type of guy. He was insane. But Dumas wasn't... No, he's 6'7". Okay, yeah. Yeah, he's not a monster.

I thought the Tony Cook coach was like 7'2". No, no, no, no, no. Wasn't he a center? He was a small forward. Small forward. Oh, so Luke Longley was playing center then? Absolutely, and Bill Wennington and all those fucking stiffs. They had a trio of stiffs.

Horace Grant. That's all right. We can move on. That's who the center was. No, he was a power forward. Really? Ho Grant's a four. No.

The Bulls teams, their five was Wennington, Longley, those, Will Perdue, those fucking bums. If there was a schlubby white guy who was over 6'10", they'd get him. I pictured Kukoc playing center. No, no, he was a small forward. But he could shoot threes, too. He could, yeah. he was a small forward. But he could shoot threes, too. He could, yeah, he was a small forward. So he goes to play in Croatia there, and then he hurts his knee,

and he says, you know, he hurts his knee, and then he kind of he says he kind of lost his passion, but then he ends up coming back again. 1998, he gets divorced from his wife. I don't know how she stood this long in the whole thing. This is the same wife from the two kids, so she's been through quite a bit.

He ends up going to play in Greece for Gymnastikos Eslarisis. Oh, boy. I don't know what the fuck that is, but that's the team he plays for. El Ristas? La Risis. La Risis. La Risis. So it's the gymnasium sponsored by Risis Pieces.

Apparently. Yeah. In Greece. He plays for them. Okay he then he also plays in poland oh no the team in poland was like their like dynasty team like they're like greatest team ever that in poland this was like the best polish team going there and uh the coach there said quote we all knew richard was a talent but it was also a troubled soul as well that's one way of putting it uh he says like all coaches you have that moment when you're trying to maximize a situation

and find that one player, the diamond in the rough that can change your fortunes. And he says, you know, it was fucking doomous for him. You can get this guy in Poland and get his head halfway screwed on straight. He can play. So he said he dominated his first practice in poland like everyone was like holy shit and he says quote it was all downhill from there so not not terrific uh he interviews well he does he's a he's a good first impression guy and then after that he's got to follow through on things and that's hard uh the coach said quote he was on his last legs he was

struggling but in games or in practice every once in while, there'd be a possession where he'd do something like, holy crap, how did this guy just do that? Imagine if he just took care of himself. He said it wasn't a secret. You knew he'd been up most of the night. He wore it where everybody knew he wasn't taking care of himself. And then he'd go out, take two dribbles from 24 feet, and just tomahawk dunk on top of two seven foot polish guys and you'd be like oh my god what the hell is that he'd come in all fucked up and haggard and then just be like dribble dribble fucking i'm just gonna jump over you still he still had the athleticism that's the thing if you're 25 you can get you can do

fucking coke you still come out and tomahawk dunk on two fucking seven-foot Polacks. No problem. It's no problem. Fine. Everybody's happy. The word Polack. Go on. It's so funny. It is.

He fails to... There were certain times where he just wouldn't show up for games. For games? Just not show up for a game. I don't know. I was busy. I tried to call yeah nobody answered it's so weird this team larry we need you people stay by your phones i might need to call you uh so the coach would have to come in and play guard so the coach was

an ex-player and he'd have to like be like well i'll get my shorts on then this fucking asshole won't show up you imagine paul westfall pulls oh my god fuck it i'm going in like a stripper yeah shorts on underneath i thought this might happen breakaway dockers i would love that shit that'd be amazing that's what basically fucking happened here unbelievable yeah he uh they they said though he uh you know he people liked him. It wasn't the problem. It was just that he was not dependable. That's the thing about drugs.

They make you likable and fun. And not dependable. But you won't show up on time. And he wasn't even funny. He just kept to himself. He didn't bother anybody. As long as he had his coke, as long as he had his medicine, he was fucking cool. It's fine.

So December 23, 1998. Ah, the Christmas season. Bells are ringing. He's fucking cool. Like, it's fine. So December 23rd, 1998. Ah, the Christmas season. Yeah. Bells are ringing. It's upon us. Things are jingling. In Poland, it's cold. Well, he's back here now.

He's back in a Tulsa motel room, as a matter of fact. Yeah. Everybody want to live in a Tulsa motel room? Because that's where Richard Dumas is living in 1998, Christmas. Oh, aren't you feeling the spirit? You say Tulsa Hotel Room. No, no, no. Motel.

Motel is the difference. Say Tulsa Motel Room. Santa Claus will not find you there. He will assume you've been murdered by a crackhead and are now a chalk outline. He'll just assume that you are not being a good boy. Yeah, you must not be a good boy to end up there. You are definitely on the naughty list.

Who's down there doing drugs and fucking prostitutes? of the people in that motel in tulsa who's a hotel i can let you slide not a motel in tulsa those two words together tulsa motel give me like the the worst whiskey shiver ever like the yeah disgusting whiskey is just jesus not good Not good. Jesus Christ. I need a bath. So he is in a Tulsa motel. When police officers arrive to serve an outstanding misdemeanor, they must have nothing to do in Tulsa. I know in Phoenix they have warrants backed up for years for child molesters and shit that they say they, quote, don't have time to serve. These people have time to go around to motel rooms to serve misdemeanor warrants for failure to pay a fine for a no seatbelt charge on a ticket.

I imagine the hotel motel no seatbelt. The motel clerk is taking that registration and just faxing it over to the police. Yeah. Every time. If you get a motel in Tulsa, that's what they do. It's kind of like when you pawn something expensive and they have to do the whole, it's one of those things. Like, they're just, oh, I got to fax this off to the cops.

Sorry. If you're staying here, the cops have to know about it. They know you're doing something bad. Yeah. So they show up to serve this warrant for this which is really picky i mean i'm sorry but jesus christ if you if you run into them great but don't go looking for a guy over we gotta bust out and can you imagine them pulling up all right we're gonna do this we're gonna do all right you knock you get my back yeah you cover what are you

doing inviting conflict getting a seatbelt violation guns and shit that's what i mean this is not necessary uh but when police uh when he opens the door police in the room see drug paraphernalia and all sorts of stuff and they find a bag and in it are some rocks and guess what they are jimmy crack it's crack yeah he's got crack in a tulsa motel room he's got crack in a Tulsa motel room. Oh, no. He's got crack in a Tulsa motel room. He is doing crack in a Tulsa motel. Okay. There's grace, and then there's fucking dirt floor under the foundation. Yeah. And he has hit dirt fucking floor right now.

Rock bottom. Unbelievable. This is bad shit. Absolutely here. So he's arrested for cocaine possession, crack cocaine possession. And the second man in the room, too, is also arrested. He's hanging out with another dude in a hotel room smoking crack, which is even worse. Not even a hooker.

He's not even hanging out with a woman smoking crack and having some weird smelly cracky sex. He's hanging out with another dude. And then afterwards, they got to figure out how to get more crack. Gross. And hopefully find someone that will have cracky sex with nasty, some ashy shit. Fucking nasty. When he was leaving the police station, he the Associated Press got a hold of him and asked him about it.

And he said, quote, I'm not talking about that. And he kept going. He said, I'm going to come. I'm going to talk to my lawyer. And then he left. That's literally what he said. He's going to contact gonna talk to my lawyer and then he left that's literally what he's gonna contact his lawyer john stevens with ap hey were you in a tulsa motel i'm not talking about that call my lawyer shit i don't even care what was in it were you in nope not talking about

that you don't talk what's what happens in tulsa motel rooms gets you arrested but you shouldn't talk about it i think that's a slogan right yo fuck you man i'm leaving man i have to listen to this shit let me go do some more coke unbelievable fuck this shit man motel shiver yeah i said oh mo that's Todd Freeze. That's the equivalent of that. It really is. And he wasn't just there for a night. They knew to serve him a warrant there. That's his address, Jimmy. That's his fucking mailing address.

He gets mail there. He gets mail there. The roadway in. Yeah, his health insurance shit from the league, they send it right to the Tulsa motel room. You know it's not even a road, like chain one it's just some shit yeah that's how much sunset in or some shit they knew he'd be there enough to serve a warrant that's what they had on file so he was there a while jesus christ man uh that is awful so So to wash the stench of the motel room off of him,

he goes to play for the New Hampshire Thunderloons in 1999. Thunderloons. Thunderloons. I don't even know what that is. I think it's a bird because it's L-O-O-N-S, which is a bird. Loon. I think a Thunderloon is probably some kind of type of fucking bird from New Hampshire. Stupid.

So he plays there for a little while he also goes to uh another croatian team here hkk soroki i don't know uh he plays play no no this is croatia oh it seems like it he plays there and uh and uh uh it's based in uh in bosnia uh it's uh he it's it It's the basketball championship there. He plays with this team. A guy with drug charges can get out of the country? Yeah, they don't give a shit. Wow.

They don't care. It's weird because I guess he wasn't arrested. Some countries are also more lenient than others. In a country like Croatia, I feel like if you're a rich person that wants to import a basketball player, he's coming over. It's one of those things. It's not like Canada where they're like, don't care. You had a fucking misdemeanor in 1984. You can't come in.

Like, sorry. A disorderly conduct in 86. I'm sorry. Fucking, you know, Sister Frances. You can't come in. I know you've been in the nunnery for 40 years since then. I'm sorry. I can't allow you access to this country.

That's what they're like there, though. It's fucked up. So anyway, 2000, he goes to England to play in the British Basketball League. The BBL plays for the Derby Storm in Derbyshire, obviously. Derbyshire. Derbyshire. I know. I said it to Eric.

Derbyshire. Derbyshire. Dumb name. So, yeah, this team also is another one that ended up changing names a bunch and moving around. They were the Derby Turbos and the Derby Rams and the Derby Bucks and the Derby Storm. So a lot of teams there. They went through all the great professional team names before they landed on a WNBA name. That's a storm. Yeah, that's perfect. What was the other? landed on a WNBA name. That's a storm.

Yeah. That's perfect. What was the other? What was the WNBA? The Shock or something? There was the Liberty. Yeah. No.

What was the team we were talking about a couple months ago? That sounds like a team, and it actually was a team. The Sting. The Sting. The Sting. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God. That's terrible.

This team was so lousy. They were given permission to sit out of the league for two for the 2002 2003 uh season to find a place to play and more money to generate and so yeah and oh then they turned into the derby trailblazers after that so you know back into the pro teams yeah in 2000 he comes back to the states to play for the mar the fargo moorhead bees b-e-e-z oh no yeah that's so much worse than jersey god you know it's got a big cartoon bee on it on their shirts it's just stupid it looks like a a hvac company absolutely yeah it looks like some plumbing drainage yeah yeah we'll clean your shit pipes and smack your wife. It's Paul Calhoun's competition is what it is. Paul Calhoun's like, those sons of bitches.

I know them bastards. You know what they're going to do? First of all, they're going to come over and they're going to fuck your plumbing all up. They don't know what they're fucking doing. I'm telling you right now, they're going to leave a glove down there or something and clog it up even worse. And you know what else they're not going to do? Your wife's not going to get smacked.

I'll tell you that right now. Not the right way. She could mouth off right in front of this fucking guy. He's not going to say a fucking word. He's going to mess up your goddamn sewers. Me, I'll give it a back of my fucking hand, and then I'll fix your shit. It's going to flow like the fucking river. You understand me, buddy?

That's my guarantee. You're a fucking cartoon bee on your shirt. Clean your shit pipe, smack your wife. You take your bee and stick it up your ass, pal. You get out of here. stick it up your ass pal you get out of here so uh he goes to the uh uh it's the uh ibl the international basketball association that team is in league uh that's the league yeah the league ibl yeah right not a no it's iba i'm sorry i'd be international basketball association here uh yeah they uh they ended up joining the cBA later on when the IBA folded,

and they were the Dakota Wizards and the Saskatchewan Hawks later. I love how these teams go into mess. Then he plays for the Oklahoma Storm of the USBL, which is the U.S. Basketball League, in Enid, Oklahoma, where all the big sporting events take place. Dreams come true. Absolutely here. In 2002, the next year after this, they won the USBL championship under head coach Kareem

Abdul-Jabbar. What? Which is fucking crazy. Sports agent James Sears Bryant was the guy who made the team, and I'm sure he gave Jabbar a bunch of money to go there so people could watch him coach. Yeah, because I would do that. Yeah. Well, in the ABA, they hired Wilt Chamberlain

to coach a team. Did they really? He didn't even show up half the time. They said he wouldn't even show up for games half the time. It's only off chance he shows up.

People would buy tickets to watch him stand on the sidelines. I would, too. That was what it was. They didn't care. Yeah, so they ended up disbanding in the 2007 season.

Later on, he also plays for the Wilmington Wave Rockers of the XBA in 2001, 2002. What is that? Who the fuck knows? The XBA? They're throwing elbows and shit? The Extreme Basketball League. What is that?

We're going to fucking take a chair and whack you in the head. And if you still can stand, you can come in and fucking replace the guy who's tired. I don't know what that is. Everybody's on a skateboard. Fucking extreme, man. We all have pads on and helmets and fucking bashing to each other. Ridiculous. It's roller derby, but with basketballs, I think, at that point.

2002, 2003, plays for the Frontier City River Dogs with a Z. Yeah. Why do all these terrible teams have to put Zs on there? Just stop it. They're aiming at kids. That's what it is. It doesn't give you personality. It's just stupid.

Trying to get the fucking youth involved. Good God. Boys in the hood with a Z. Yeah. We're all hard. 1991, not 2002. By 2002, it's like, enough with the Z.

A white guy's still in charge trying to relate. Yeah. They still do that Z thing on the end of work? Let's just do it. Hey, Timmy, come here. Dogs? I think there's a dog. With a Z, it's a tougher dog. It's like a dog that's like a bitey dog.

It's like a little dog with the other one. It's like a friendly one. We want to be bitey, right? Bitey dogs, yeah. We're river dogs. We want a fucking chain on this dog's neck. River dogs, and we just fucking eat people. With a Z. We bite them and go, yeah, with River dogs. And we just fucking eat people. With a Z. We bite them and go, yeah, with a Z. And we bite again.

That's how it works. So 2002, that's 2002, 2003. He ends up, that's about it for basketball for the moment. Nobody else wants him. His knees are kind of fucked up. He's got tendonitis and shit like that. So where does he go? What do you think he's gonna do now jimmy make a new start in a new city where he can start fresh and do the smart thing or do you think he's gonna move back to tulsa yeah in a motel room yeah that's what he does going back home again let's break more you were in

poland how much farther away can you get back to to Tulsa. Unbelievable. Where he, this is, you think motel rooms depressing. Yeah. And this is fine if you're a normal person. If you're a person that has like a four and a half foot vertical leap, this should not be your job is what I'm getting at. So don't everybody go, hey, I work at a fucking warehouse or factory or something. Great. So did I for a long, it happens.

I don't have a four and a half foot vertical leap either and neither do you or else you wouldn't be there. He spends a year working at a Whirlpool plant. No way. Whirlpool the brand. Not Whirlpools. Right. Whirlpool the brand in Tulsa making ranges.

Oh, no. Yeah. He's building stoves. He's just on an assembly line building stoves in a Whirlpool plant in Tulsa, which is the second most depressing place in Tulsa besides the motel. There's a country song about this. I would say so. Working at a Whirlpool plant, making ranges, and then going home to smoke crack at the motel.

I think there is a country song about that in Tulsa. It's not good. She sings it. It's bad stuff, man. So fall of 2012, he stays in Tulsa, kicks around in Tulsa for years in there. I mean, that's 2003, and he's just under the radar until 2012, just living in motels and working shitty jobs and doing things like that. Finally, fall of 2012, he's got no money, obviously. He's fucked his whole life up.

He moves back to Phoenix. Yeah, I remember this. He comes to Phoenix, and he starts a youth basketball organization, Dumas and Friends Athletics. money obviously he's fucked his whole life up he moves back to phoenix yeah i remember this he comes to phoenix and he starts a youth basketball organization doomus and friends athletics which is fine yeah that's what he should be doing yeah problem is that's not all he's doing what is he's also doing other things uh he plays briefly for the westchester wild of the aba which is john stark's team at that point uh he said i hurt my knee in the summer league here in Tulsa. I went to jump and tendonitis took over.

I was in great shape. I just couldn't maneuver like I wanted to because my knees were hurting. He's too old to play fucking basketball anymore. He's in his mid-40s. Fucking age, bro. Yeah, sorry. You're not going to play competitive ball anymore. You notice in basketball, in baseball, there's a couple guys who are like 42 and still play.

In football, there's Tom Brady and guys like that. There's nobody in basketball who was 43 and any good jordan was terrible when he was playing with the wizards at the end of his career his vertical jump was like zach randolph's for christ's sake he couldn't do it anymore he was done you know those guys that have career longevity all have in common not extreme amounts of fucking cocaine polluting their body yeah and you would think too his legs are still pretty fresh. He has a lot of basketball I would think

but he also has probably wandered around Tulsa for fucking ever looking for crack. I imagine that shit like hardens tendons and arteries and all kinds of shit.

It doesn't help. It actually doesn't do that. It's actually coke is a weird I heard this doctor talking about it once. It's not good for you. It's bad for your heart

and all that sort of thing but it doesn't have at least coke itself doesn't have like lasting yeah it doesn't accelerate aging and breaking down to the body i mean it might a little bit but it's not what i'm saying is is if you basically if you don't have a heart attack when you ingest the coke it doesn't make your heart weaker tomorrow okay that's it's not like oh well you did a bunch of coke now your heart's weak right it's like it's only weak while the coke's going in it, and then it's normal. And then you process it. You're good.

I guess. I don't know what the limit of that is, though. I'm sure if you're just smoking boatloads of crack, you're probably altering something. But you're also not working out. Yeah, that's the other thing. You're not focusing on the health. Well, like, heroin's not bad for you at all. Heroin's not toxic.

No. People shoot heroin. Just do a shitload of it. People shoot heroin. Heroin's not bad for you at all yeah heroin's not toxic no people shoot heroin shitload of it people shoot heroin heroin's not bad for you the things that go along with heroin you get diseases from the needles and you get fuck you fucking collapse your veins because you do that but like where you put fentanyl in it yeah it explodes that's the other thing but heroin itself isn't there's no like organ that heroin wears down like heroin's not wearing your heart down your brain down like over time it's just a matter of if you OD on it, you'll die.

And then otherwise you're fine. Unless you're taking like painkillers with that kind of heroin. That's a different story. Well, that's pharmaceutical. It ruins all kinds of things like healing. And I don't know the exact medical. Don't tweet me about medical ship. But I know like that's a whatever.

So anyway, it's just a painkiller. It's fine. So anyway, it's just a painkiller. It's fine. 2013, they do an interview with him, and they talk about him being in a worn-down Tulsa neighborhood. They said with horse properties and a basketball court and a park down the street. It's called The Hood. The Hood. They say he shows up shirtless with shorts and white socks and sandals on.

That's what he shows up for his interview. He said he moved back to Phoenix, but now he's visiting Tulsa. Listen to this. Visiting his hometown for an ongoing floor wax stripping job in Phoenix and Tulsa. Oh, boy. So he's traveling to wax and strip floors. Yeah. With no shirt on, so he's already half stripped.

Wow. Incredible. This is a mess. Oh, my God. and strip floors yeah with no shirt on so he's already half stripped wow yeah incredible this is a mess that's oh my god he says he likes this work yeah because the buildings are empty overnight and he says that he doesn't have to encounter as many people especially in tulsa where a lot of people recognize him because you're six seven you can't hide if you're fucking five ten you can put a goddamn hat on and put it down put some sunglasses on nobody cares his face is super recognized if you're 6'7 everybody immediately looks at you yeah because they can see you and then they wonder who you are if you're 5'10 you just never even get looked at you just blend in uh uh so racist ass tulsa you look at a big black guy you should play oh you

did oh you did oh sure you are smoking crack uh he says quote ain't nothing but trouble here in Tulsa. He says he moved to Avondale the last year and he got an apartment in Avondale to start a sports. That's in Arizona, Phoenix. That's right down the street. Yeah, that's why Jimmy's reacting like that. Good Lord. They say that he's got an overall commons interview. He says he's been clean for so many years that he doesn't even recall when he took his last hit of drugs,

which means soon. That's a lie. Those motherfuckers know exactly when they're clean for. I don't even remember the last time. I was just smoking crack one day, and the next day I kind of didn't, and then it just became a habit not. Nope, that's not how drugs work, motherfucker. You put it down one day and say, I'm not doing this shit anymore, and then you've struggled yeah and struggled and you know exactly how long it's been uh he says uh uh a friend of his grandfather's here in tulsa

named ted hook said quote he turned out to be a good kid until he got in trouble which means nothing yeah he just said he turned out to be good until he wasn't all right what does that mean everybody that doesn't mean that doesn't mean anything anybody he was a good kid till he got in trouble he's a good kid until he wasn't a good kid no more yeah okay at one point everybody was a good at one point mussolini was a great child i'm sure just a full of smiles and i have i've seen many pictures of jeff Jeffrey Dahmer as a very cute little kid. Happy as can be. Happy as can be.

He said about this street, he said, quote, everybody was a Suns fan on this street. He's a nice person who just got caught up in the wrong stuff. That's what I hate about it. When he was on the court, he was a totally different person. Now, Richard Jr. went on to end up going into the Air Force. So he ends up going into the Air Force. So he ends up going into the Air Force. There's also more Air Force interaction with this family we'll talk about in a minute

that's not so great. Richard Jr., though, is in the Air Force, and his older son, Leron, at that point worked at a senior citizen's home in Oklahoma City. So there's that. They ask him about basketball stuff. They ask him about Game 5 in the finals and all that.

And they ask him, apparently, I forgot about this. Remember that game that was on TV with the Suns and Magic where Shaq broke the rim and they had to stop the game for an hour? That game, Richard Dumas had seven dunks and 32 points in that game. And nobody knows. You'll never know because Shaq tore the rim down that game. That motherfucker. That could have been his only two points, but it doesn't matter because that's all anybody saw. On the highlight reel, they just showed, I remember on ESPN, they showed him fixing them.

They didn't show Dumas dominating the game, which is what happened. So he said that kind of sucked. But he said that, and they said he rattled that off, and they checked it, and it was true. Seven dunks, 32 points, but he doesn't know when his last hit a fucking coke was. Your ass. You remember that from 20 years ago but you don't remember okay you don't remember the thing that was most important to you but you remember the thing that was second most important to you come on eat dicks dude come on he said uh exactly this the thing that wasn't boring you don't remember he said uh they said do you ever watch those games you ever see him and he said quote it ain't gonna change nothing and it only going to make me more depressed more depressed right i remember it

every day yeah more depressed than think of that shit uh he tells he says he lost his fortune which wasn't really that big of a fortune but it's still more than fucking i i'll ever made that yeah i never made a million and a half dollars or whatever uh he says he lost it to drugs back taxes and a divorce uh but he said he never played for riches anyway. He played for the love of the game. He said he's trying today, he's trying to wipe the slate clean with basketball.

He started Richard Dumas and Friends Athletic Association with the help of old friends for sponsors. Mark West is a sponsor. The Sons are helping. Dan Marley and Marley's Sports Grill. Dan Marley and Marley Sports Grill. Dan Marley has a bunch of restaurants. Shane and Oliver Miller, who sells cars at Superstition Springs Chrysler Jeep Dodge.

Ouch. Which is fucking hilarious. Is that where he is? I don't know about 2013. That's where he was. Wow. Superstition Springs Chrysler Jeep Dodge selling cars. Out there in Mesa.

Yeah. And all these people were willing to lend their time and money, I guess. Because, I mean, shit, if those guys show up, that's a fucking NBA team. That's on the floor right there. Dumas, he says, Dumas and Friends is going to organize sports camps and clinics, including Dumas Coaching. He says, I'm supposed to be leaving for North Carolina. They have a league down there, and I'm supposed to be a player assistant coach i'd like to coach when i get through uh really playing basketball that's now dude uh it's been over it's been over i feel i can offer a little bit because i

understand the game i don't just play the game i've been at both ends of the sword it's a double edged sword okay you either do it this way or you do it the right way and i've been through both ways i can give some type of contribution to kids coming up and show them what they need to do and how to understand the game like it's supposed to be played he doesn't know a double-edged sword mate no he just he i that's why i'm like what nope you completely misused that metaphor absolutely miss fucking used and he went meta what the fuck are you talking about i don't know this bullshit i'm getting up that guy used to go i know him ron you mean ron i watched him get in a fight once so they asked him uh uh do you believe all your demons are behind you now and he said it's

going good but i keep all that to myself it's easier showing people than to try to tell them that's what i'm going to try to do right now. This player coaching job is what I want to do because I really want to go on to coaching. I feel like I got the bad part over with and had the chance to see every aspect. I feel like I can teach somebody. So they said, you know, how do you, had you not had the problems that you had, where do you envision your career going after your great rookie season? He says, I probably would have been one of those making those 100 million dollar contracts but that's something i have to learn from and just go ahead and be happy to be alive that's true and

that's fucking sad yeah he could have had 100 million dollars and then he could have retired and he could have done all the coke on earth on earth he could have said i would like a house made of cocaine that i'm just gonna chip pieces off and snort i'm just gonna i don't care run my nose down the down the fucking step and nobody could have said shit to him no he could have went on tv and been like i fucking love cocaine fuck you i got a shitload of money and i love cocaine suck my dick motherfuckers kiss my ass fuck you fuck you and fuck you guess what i'll do if you do catch me, though? I'll hire a badass lawyer. I'll show up to court high as fuck on cocaine. So eat dicks.

Instead, he's still under people's thumb. Jesus, man. Cocaine after you make money. After, not during. Not during, not before. You wait. Yeah. He says a lot of people recognize him from the Suns.

He says that, you know just that's kind of weird he said to be recognized all over the place from the suns he says that he's living backwards uh he said he's finding happiness uh playing basketball like a kid and uh he's also likes to go to suns games and uh he you know he said that's the because 93 with 92 93 was the first year that building was open so that was you know that's the, because 93, 92, 93 was the first year that building was open. So that was, you know, that's the same thing. The difference is

you buy tickets, you dickhead. Yeah, they probably let him in. They probably comp him. Yeah, I mean, back then too,

Cedric Sabalis was like the in-game, like an entertainment guy. Well, with him they're like, here's Becky and her kid. With him they're like, you know,

jump over there in the pizza hut and fucking help out a little bit. But they let him in for free though, I feel. Run a couple of his personal places in the oven. This is what I mean, he's got to do a little bit over there, but you know jump over there in the pizza hut and fucking help out a little bit but they let him in for free though i feel run a couple of his personal yeah this is what i mean he's got to

do a little bit over there but you know he runs a souvenir shop he's like which one you want that shirt that one okay little girl you know he says though quote i'm enjoying life i traveled the world i've done what a lot of people wanted to do i did it the opposite way now i've got to work for a living which yeah he yeah, he does. So let's find out what he was doing for working. Well, December 20th, 2013, he's working for a living. Police find a 44-year-old Richard Dumas at the Dumas and Friends Athletic Association, which is near Indian School and Dysart Road in Litchfield Park there. He's taken into custody without incident by the U.S.

Marshal Service. Really? Federal custody. He's arrested on suspicion of eight counts of organized retail theft from Luke Air Force Base's exchange. Get out of here. He's stealing from the fucking Air Force Base. Wow. He was a janitor there. He had a fucking cleaning contract, and he and his friends were stealing shit all

sorts of shit all sorts of shit uh operation grinch stopper 2 focused on people who held outstanding warrants in connection with property crimes uh this was uh authorities from 27 agencies across the state made 151 arrests uh it's the second year of this program here. Do miss. This is the saddest surveillance video you're ever going to fucking see in your life. A six foot seven man caught on surveillance, stealing $800 worth of cigarettes, alcohol, food, DVDs and shoes from the Luke Air Force Base's exchange store. That is disgusting. In 2012, before he did that interview that says how great he's doing. This is what he was doing. He was a

janitor who was stealing shit. They said that it was $800. The police released the video which shows him wiping the floors and then just grabbing shit along the way as he's wiping. He's wiping shit and then he'll grab something off the shelf

and pocket it and keep going. It 2012 richard there it's all cameras and it's the federal government you're stealing from the fucking you're stealing from the air force you're not stealing from fucking joe blower this isn't walmart this is the fucking air force that's when u.s marshals come to your motel room yeah or in this case, your charitable organization, and get arrested by federal authorities, which doesn't look good, I don't think. Under Grinch stopper. Under Grinch stopper for stealing from the Air Force. That's fucking pathetic.

He does actually somehow, there's a $7,500 bond and he bonds out somehow. He must have some woman he's slinging dick to or something that he's talking into the shit. Or he sold a shitload of stolen cigarettes. That's the other thing, too. Who knows what kind of ring they had going on or whatever but they release him what now what do you do he just did all these interviews i'm back in phoenix i'm a great guy now i'm charity let me work with your kids watch me i'll show you how good i am and now the local news has a video of him fucking being a janitor a thieving janitor

from the federal government it's not great not a good look for him no he's he's just trying to avoid people at this point which i don't fucking blame him he's got to avoid people he's hungry yeah uh so he goes someplace where he thinks no one will know him he smells some good food and he opens up this door and it's the shawarma man and he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? You know what happened to you if you steal from military in my country? You know what happened to you?

They take balls, put on table, and smash with cartoon mallet. Big cartoon mallet, like coyote, but doesn't miss. Boom, acme. Right on nutsack. Several of them. Several. They're plural. Mallets with a Z.

You'll come out with pancake testicles. Very big. Four inch wide. Very flat, though. No good. No good for children. You're a bad person. You steal from military, but Schwarmeman, the one who gets pulled out of line at the airport

and gets gloved hand in butthole? Huh? That's what happened? No TSA pre-check for Schwarmerman, small business owner? But for you, you get everything fine. Even in my darkest days, Schwarmerman would not do coke with you. No. You hog it?

No, Schwarmerman. No, no for you. I not make for you no lamb. Sign say close. You go. You go. Poof. And then he disappears.

And Cedric is very confused you mean richard cedric said i'm thinking of sabalas not cedric richard is excessively confused and he has no shawarma and now he's very because he really wanted shawarma he's starving he's upset uh so october 2014 his his defense attorney tells the judge that they work something out where the shoplifting charges, he's charged with burglary and like organized this and that. There's like eight charges. One of them is shoplifting and they have to drop those charges because the statute of limitations is now passed. It's been two years.

So his lawyer goes to the judge and says can we drop the shoplifting charge and so they actually do uh they agree to permanently drop that charge uh so but obviously there's everything else and so he's kind of fucked his friend his co-worker who he was working with here doing this scam leroy abraham racked up about four grand in stolen goods from the air force base there uh he does face burglary charges though from federal burglary charges not great or not they're this one i think these are federal yeah yeah it's gotta be it's that and it's four grand that's that's that's more than a hundred dollars yeah that's a big deal uh december 11 2014 he first he had pleaded pled not guilty he finally

says fuck it i'm pleading guilty yeah because he's facing like 10 years in jail because it's burglary and all these federal charges he's facing huge charges and it's on camera and he's fucked yeah there's it's not gonna go you can't deny that look at you you're the tall guy we fucking see you it's the same guy i saw in the 93 finals except here you're wiping flexing a floor and stealing cigarettes rather than dunking on scotty pippen much different in this video pippen's beating the shit out of you he's not even in the hair not even in here uh so january 21st 2015 is sentencing for this and uh he pleads guilty sits and puts puts himself on the mercy of the court what else can you do and the judge tells him you sir may fuck off three years supervised probation he's

fine he gets nothing son of a bitch he gets nothing but jesus christ is he a sad sack of shit he got something he's a sad sack of shit yeah his name is worthless i feel bad for his fucking kid who's now richard doomis goddamn junior he's like thanks a lot asshole everyone i'm in the air force i mean even his dad he disgraced his dad this guy's in the air force who his dad with the same name is stealing from on fucking camera if he's in the air force he's probably stationed at luke too he's like your dad's stealing from our base i feel bad for all these people jim, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Richard Dumas, food and beverage purchasing manager at Aurora Cannabis Inc. Hey, look at you in Canada.

All right. Nice job. Richard Dumas, intergovernmental partnerships. It's a government administration job with the Canadian government in Edmonton, Canada. Richard Dumas, vice president of marketing at Inference, which is in San Francisco Bay Area. Inference Solutions, some sort of... He's an MIT grad.

He went to Wesleyan and MIT, this guy. He says, quote, I'm a full-stack marketing leader who loves building tech companies. I enjoy managing all aspects of marketing. I hate him more. Douchebag. Douchebag. And Richard Dumas, supervisor and outreach coordinator at the Baltimore City Office of

Child Support, which this Richard Dumas probably is not paying or hasn't paid in years. And finally, Richard Dumas, a high school athlete in Chino Hills, California, a 5'1075 pound varsity football player who played defensive back the poor fuck and uh was mistaken yeah multiple times for this richard dumas can't get enough of our boy dumas wow uh our man dumas here you can get a 1992 upper deck uh number 476 top prospects richard dumas uh son's card here for $1.10 with $4.49 shipping. That man had 32 points

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He's in that. Autographed. $13. Wow. Plus $3.79 shipping. That's a fucking steal. His autograph is worth $12. I might actually order that.

That and a jersey. That is amazing. Wow. Yeah. Ships from there. You can get it by friday may 10th if you order right now or actually a couple days ago when i did this research so just in time for mother's day just in time for mother's day hey mom wanted one in a crackhead's autograph at least i

didn't do this this cocaine from from the pores is probably on this card i would say because he held it design and i'm assuming he leaked cocaine residue on it. Trace amounts. This could get you put away in like an Arab country. They'd kill you for this, just for the amount that's on this card right there. So Middle Eastern country, you're done. There's more on this card than on American currency. You're fucked, man.

You're totally fucked. So that is Richard Dumas. Wow. What a fucking waste of of everything of everything we get guys who are like oh he could have been good and he could have had a good career and then we have guys who are like oh he had it like rick bow we had this great career blew it in the middle of it or something like that but this is one of those ones that really is what this shit's all about of this guys who this guy could have literally been a legend who had $100 million, and instead he's fucking waxing floors

while he steals cigarettes from the federal government. He literally squandered it before he had it, too. Yeah, that's what I mean. Gone. I mean, in college he squandered it. It was already over then. Yeah, but I mean, he got back to that level of after that finals game five years nine million bucks

he could have played two years of that contract been huge renegotiate he could have made a fucking fortune and been a huge star he could have been on that Olympic team in 96 he could have been because there's guys on that team and he's way more talented than he could have fucking been on that team it's ridiculous honestly

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Give it to me right now. This week's executive producers are Sarah McCormack, Leah Egan of the Egan Sisters, set fame. Neelu Rafsanjani up there in San Francisco. She's the bodybuilder. She's a badass. Yeah, fame. Uh, Neil, Ross and Johnny up there in San Francisco. She's, she's a bad ass. She's cool.

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Oh, it's Hannah power. And then Neil Patel, uh, the sinister minister. I kind of did. I don't know. I just liked that. He's got himself a little minister. I don't know. Hannah Power, and then Neil Patel, the Sinister Minister. I just like that he's got himself a little nickname. That was a wrestling manager, Sinister Minister.

Maybe that's what it is. He had some other AKAs that I didn't write them all down, just Sinister Minister. I'm good with that either way. Other producers this week are Nadine Carter, Christian Lopez, Robin Durbin, Casey Salestrom, Cooper Critchfield david uh guessing nicola elliott uh mike toms carissa wilson shanna with no last name uh ashley robelia uh lynn lynn lynn cornell uh madeline bebbler paula uh shit what is that salamanca

yeah that's that's oh that's an italian girl that's what that is oh i'm sure of it uh tj mccullum sweet hot tj mccullum avriel peach or patch or nope i'm not getting it i'm sorry miller heintz and he made a bunch of memes for us last week thanks miller appreciate it uh m cannon uh o2 i don't know what oh that's just like a a screen name or whatever okay okay didn't have a name it just just said M Cannon O2. Well, we appreciate you. Right. Nora, shit, About Ham?

No, that's not what that is. Abitram? Autotram? No. What did I do? I like when you go, oh, I got it. No, I have no idea what we're talking about. I'm sorry, Nora.

That's awesome. Katie Combs, Liz Allen, Harry, no, Hazy Nelson, El Bertone, Kim Riley, Shannon with no last name, Kimberly Stoltman, Andrea Papa George or Andrea Papa George, Nicole Holtzmark. Did I say that? No, Nicole Holtzmark. That's what that is. That's two different people. There was Kimberly Stoltman.

That's what it was. And Jade Osborne, Christopher Saliop. Is that what that is? I think. Fuck. Kateborne. Christopher Saliop. Is that what that is? I think. Fuck. Kate with no last name. Susan York Duquette. Samantha Diffendaffer.

That's an awesome name. That sounds like the name of a candy. Yeah, it does. Like a fun dip. It's a Diffendaffer. It's like the knockoff fun dip or the good fun dip, we'll say. You know what? You're the good fun dip lady. Fun dip is the knockoff of the Diffendaffer. That's a diffendaffer. It's like the knockoff fun dip, or the good fun dip, we'll say. You know what? You're the good fun dip, lady.

Fun dip is the knockoff of the diffendaffer. That's right. Yep, that's right. Alexis Tompkins, Benny Nielsen, Amanda Petrovito, Lindsay Roloff. Don't. I wrote a really terrible way of whatever your last name is. Larry Butterfast, Alex Capel, Casey and Tricia, Jenny Wallace. wrote a really terrible way of whatever your last name is uh larry larry butterfast uh alex alex capel uh casey and tricia jenny wallace no just jen wallace uh peter falconer or falconeer uh

stephanie miller uh tenly tenly pocket robin cotton uh i love it hayden stouffer caitlin taylor nicky uh nicky ritter off ritter ritter off or ritter hoff. She's in Chicago. Thank you, Nikki. Timothy Young. Auntie. Our auntie. Our auntie sent us money. Thank you.

Liz Brunner. Andrew Paulson. Jeff Watts. Kristen Otero. Simone with no last name. Daniel Blagio. Crystal Lamb. Andrew Batters.

Norman Sather. Matt Sledge. Allie Cannon. Hannah O'Mary, and she donated twice. Thank you, Hannah. Oh, thank you so much. Danielle Hansen, Brad Peters, Fran Scholl, Becca with no last name, Amanda with no last name, no, Male Lady Autumn, John Walker, Cal, what did he say? Oh, he's a vet. Thank you so much, Cal. Thank you.

He wrote us something insanely nice. Oh, you know what it was? We help him with his PTSD. No shit. And that fucking, he hates the VA because they don't help, but we do. Thanks for sharing that with us, brother. Appreciate that, man. Neil Campbell, Jack Smith, Samantha Golden, Paige and Parker.

No, Paige Parker and Jordania in Texas. That's what that is. Rebecca McDonough, Karen Edgen. Hang in Texas. That's what that is. Rebecca McDonough, Karen Edgen. Hang in there. Brendan Ables, Jesse Hartman, Cassie, no,

Katie case. Jana would know last name. Karen Weiss, Frankie and Skippy. I think those might be dogs. Maybe they're people. Maybe. I don't know.

Patch is a bitch. Sorry, patch. Brittany Hart. Yes, that's what that is. Patch getting the what for? I know for no reason. Liz Vasquez. Thank you. And thanks for the gifts you send, Patch. Brittany Hart. Yes, that's what that is. Patch getting the what for. I know, for no reason.

Liz Vasquez, thank you, and thanks for the gifts you send, Liz. You're terrific. Yeah, thank you. Dana Grayson, Tyler Gwill, Stephen Schnell, Jason Fuller. Those are like a bunch of dudes. That's our OGs there.

Dana Grayson, Jason Fuller. John Deere. I think that's Deere. D-E-H-R. That's Deere, right? I think so. Yeah. Or Dare.

Dare. I don't know. Ryan Shank. Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Carol Braun so. Or dare. Dare. I don't know. Ryan Shank. Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Carol Braun. It's been a while. Hey, thank you.

Since we've seen you. Thanks for coming around. Really? Travis Diarmente. No, Diarment. Fuck. I don't know if I was supposed to put an E on that. James Price.

Sinfully delightful. Clean eating. Ashley Levittai. Roxanna Hernandez. Stephen Crumley. Victoria Saunders, Amber Thunstrom, that's what that is, Guy Rillo, Troy Lindsey, Hannah Bragg, Damian Barney, Jana Gilbertson, that's what that is, Mike Kennedy. Every time he donates to you, I'm like, take that, Mike, you fucking twat.

I knew you liked us. Yeah, and it's not you. Not the Mike that donated to us. You're not a twat. You're fantastic. Every time you do it, I say, that's you fucking twat. I knew you liked us. Yeah, and it's not you. Not the Mike that donated to us. You're not a twat. You're fantastic. Every time you do it, I say, that's my dude. Yeah. Whitney Gregory, Kurt Van Hook, Rachel Stora, Hannah O'Meary.

That's the one that donated twice. See? I knew it. Callie Shinkunas, BT Bullitt. And they donated to somebody else, and we're hoping that we would say their name first. So I hope that we got it. Hopefully we threw it down. Bang.

Deal with that. Amanda Barrett. We come out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I don't know. Now the recourse. Abdul John or Jam. Rosala. No, Rosalba.

Rosalba Avalos. RMPChicagoEvents.com. They do weddings and proposals and shit like that. Go get married. There you go. Crystal Walker. Kelsey Groesbeck. Eric Langenegger, Rebecca Hart, Casey Huffman, Sandra Gaither, Annabelle's House, H-A-U-S, but Annabelle Blue is the one that donated. Thank you.

Thank you. Katie Ives, Angela and Justin Miller. Thank you both. Ashley Veo, Stephanie Smith, Reagan Shalkley, J jibbs trash and treasure in wisconsin i don't i don't know what that is visit them go find them sounds neat uh jordan bennett jennifer castle stephen rude allison morris and all of our patreon supporters thank you all so much we see you we appreciate the shit out of you guys thank you so much for that and for everything honestly for every review every goddamn tweet you send us every every everything every dollar every review every goddamn tweet you send at us every every everything every

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We have some crazy shit lined up for the next month, some real weird ones. We've got some murder coming up, a couple of sports that we don't know shit about, which are always fun whenever we talk about sports we know nothing about, and hear us just mistakenly try to stumble our way through what the hell they're talking about. God damn it, I've got to pee. It'll be funny. Yeah, that's what it is. But other than that, guys guys thank you so much see you next week and live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week bye

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