Crime in Sports - #163 - Too Fast, Too Soon - The Put-uponness of Jennifer Capriati

Episode Date: May 28, 2019

This week, we once again look at the question of just how young is too young to force your child to be a bread winning, family supporting professional athlete. I think we can now safely say t...hat 13 might be the answer. She burst on to the international tennis scene as a 7th grader, and quickly took the world by storm. She also began to hate her forced profession, and all that surrounded it, leading to years of problems & resentment. After a major career comeback, an injury forces her into a weird, dark place called "retirement", and a whole new round of problems!! Come out of the womb holding a tennis racquet, be a world famous hero by age 13, then go mainly downhill from there with Jennifer Capriati!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:36 Oh, it's a lady episode. So we always have, we always love the lady episodes. There's very few. There's very few. You don't fuck up as much and there's not quite as many of you. But boy, when you do. But when you do, it it's fun yeah and uh this is a fun one oh it's vicious it's fun yeah we've had some some of our best episodes have been the uh females just women yeah i've got sally mcneil that was one of the most vicious crimes we've had so uh there's that arning's no slouch either she's vicious she just doesn't kill kelly ryan yeah uh correct titus's
Starting point is 00:02:04 woman there that was she was as brutal as they come. Yeah. And then Kelly Lane. Yeah. That was, well, yeah. To her own offspring there. It's crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:13 She's trying to get out. She's nuts. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah. The people are sending us articles. Just sit still. You calm down. At least until the end of your childbearing years, we're going to keep you under lock
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Starting point is 00:04:24 yeah like we said it's a lady uh it is i'm gonna call she's like a todd marinovich yet okay uh one of these things where you're like oh no she never had a chance just just a pawn of her of her parents and uh this is i kind of wanted to show from the other side like we showed what happens with todd marinovich and uh and that's with football lets you the football there's there's rules as far as you can't play at this level till you're this age or you know you have to play it's stupid the ncaa rules but you can't just go into the nfl at 15 even if you're the greatest athlete that ever lived in your 350 pounds it doesn't matter you're not allowed to play in the nfl at 15 whereas if you're say a
Starting point is 00:05:05 tennis player yeah you can be pro well now there's rules because of shit like this but you could just be pro at any time yeah they could pull you out of the out of the womb stick a racket in your hand and be like any good hey she's got sponsors and they'll put you the fuck out there on television if there's a prince is willing to sponsor you for their rackets or whatever and serena were pretty young too when they started right i believe so but not like this not like jennifer capriotti oh we're going to talk about her yeah kind of everybody knows who she is because she especially if you're either american or italian uh also because in italy she was a fucking she was like like well she's american but she was like the beatles when she went there because it's an athlete with an italian last name i don't know if you guys realize this it's kind of
Starting point is 00:05:49 hot i don't know if you guys realize this but uh there's not a lot of italian uh athletes who are great nowadays that makes sense uh so genoble that's about it we really we just latch on to anything we can i mean it's back in the day, it was great. We had DiMaggio. We had a few guys like that. Marciano. Well, Rocky Marciano. Name me someone else who retired undefeated heavyweight champion.
Starting point is 00:06:14 I can't think of one. There isn't. That's why. Italians at all. Well, boxing, there was plenty in the mid-century there. Basically, whatever group is downtrodden, those are the boxers. So in the 30s and 40s, plenty of Italian boxers, and then they kind of got a little better
Starting point is 00:06:30 off, and they were replaced with Spanish boxers. That's how it works. And eventually, they'll be replaced with, I don't know, whatever else comes next. Ethiopians. Kenyan boxers always, or I don't know, Sri Lankan boxers. Whoever decides to come here and mask next. A bunch of Haitians. That's all. But that's the way it works. Otherwise, we don't have, Sri Lankan, Baca, whoever decides to come here and mass next. A bunch of Haitians. That's all.
Starting point is 00:06:45 But that's the way it works. Otherwise, we don't have a lot of mainstream athletes, if you think about it. We have Dan Marino. Is that guy Italian? Yeah, Marino. Yeah, I think he's probably half Italian. We'll take him. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:06:58 No, he's Italian, though. I know, but there's a lot of Spaniards. Yeah, he's from Pittsburgh, though. He's a Guinea from Pittsburgh. His dad's like a fat Guinea truck driver. Great. I've seen him. He's a truck driver.
Starting point is 00:07:11 He's Italian, but we don't have a lot. That's what I mean. Name a big-time American quarterback sports hero who's a Guinea. Can't do it. It doesn't exist. That's what I mean. We don't get a lot. So when we get somebody like this, well, that's John Noor.
Starting point is 00:07:24 We don't even like tennis. It doesn't matter. We don't get a lot. So when we get somebody like this, well, that's John Noor. We don't even like tennis. It doesn't matter. We'll take it. Jennifer Capriotti, born March 29th, 1976. And she is kind of the poster child for pushing your kid too hard and for a child maybe not being ready to be on a national stage in a professional environment with millions of dollars at stake. That might be a little much for a 13-year-old, possibly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Yeah, it's a little... It's even different. I feel like because they say like, well, you're the kid actors, but acting is different. You're on a set. You're... You're busy. It's different like if you're on Broadway or whatever, but if you're on an acting set it's a contained thing though there isn't like you're not on television fucking up live where then people can criticize you you know like you can have 10 takes at something and it'll
Starting point is 00:08:15 you'll fuck up nine times and no one will ever see those nine fuck ups you'll just look great on that 10th take whereas here it's you mess up at wimbledon when you're 14. Everybody sees it. Yeah. It's on TV. Remember when you were in ninth grade and anything happened to you, how magnified it felt? Yeah. Imagine if it happened on national TV and was on SportsCenter repeatedly. Worldwide.
Starting point is 00:08:36 Worldwide. Wimbledon is fucking everything. Not just in America. Everywhere. That's the type of shit we're talking about here. She's born March 29, 76, like we said. Her father, Stefano. Hey, it's a Stefano here.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Stefano's an Italian. He's born in Italy. He's a movie stuntman and soccer pro. So Stefano kicking the ball. Really? I kick the ball and it blow up under my foot. That's how I do it. And it was a stuntman too?
Starting point is 00:09:04 I kick it and it explode. Yeah. See how you do it. You go to. That's how I do it. And it was a stuntman too? I kick it and it explode. Yeah. See how you do it. You go to kick it and boom, it explode and that's a stunt. See, I'm a stunt in a soccer. I mix together. You guys are doing everything. I make a young girl who play tennis.
Starting point is 00:09:15 She got the backhand and I decide before she even come out, I say, this girl, she going to play tennis. And that's exactly what he did. Really? He decided, yeah. He said, I put a sperm in the side of you yeah um and uh it's gonna play tennis i'm gonna tell you that now it's i tell you it's a tennis it's gonna come out it's gonna play of a backhand yeah that's that's how it's gonna be
Starting point is 00:09:34 no soccer no no tennis you're gonna play i feel it i don't know i put a racket in there too i know tell you yeah i put i put sperm and racket and they'll tell you I got sperm, I got racket, I put inside I say here, you hold it's little racket, not big, I mean you see obviously, it's a charm on the tennis bracelet if it's big you feel, you know I stick up there, I tell sperm you carry this you carry this home to the egg
Starting point is 00:09:58 and you implant the tennis racket with you, and I know my sperm are very obedient, and it worked I have obedient sperm and and they go in. So, yeah, her father, Stefano, and her wife, his wife was a Pan Am flight attendant. No kidding. Yeah, she retires when she gets pregnant and married because you're not back then. Because you're not hot.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Well, back then, I think you had to stop being a flight attendant back in the, I think they changed in the late 70s, but back then, 32 years old or married meant you were gone. Wow. Out. Single and young, that's what we want. They wanted them to be available. They wanted them to date the fucking, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:38 hey, maybe you'll hook up with one of these businessmen. Is that a thing? That's absolutely what they were doing. I had no idea. They were eye candy. Oh, I mean, yeah, but I knew that that was a point, but I didn't know that was like the strategic value of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. thing that's absolutely what they were doing no idea they were eye candy yeah but for for i knew that that was a point yeah but i didn't know that was like the strategic value oh absolutely they wanted them to be available to party with with the passengers later if they wanted supposedly
Starting point is 00:10:53 prostitution that is called sort of a flying waitress they didn't have to they weren't required to but they were certainly uh they were hired they were hired for looks and bubbly personalities they wanted friendly good-looking women who were you know who would put their boobs in a businessman's face while he hands him a martini that's what they were looking for that's that was what it was about so uh very weird so that was denise so she was an attractive woman uh from what everybody said and uh stefano you know, he played soccer and he did a stunt. So obviously he's a handsome man. Stefano here, though, yeah, he literally told his wife
Starting point is 00:11:30 while she was pregnant with Jennifer, that's a tennis player in there and she's going to play tennis. So shockingly enough, when, Jesus Christ, when Jennifer was a baby, this is shades of marinovich here when jennifer was a baby stefano propped a pillow under her and helped her do sit-ups no kidding sit-ups he's wow as a baby yeah baby sit-ups unbelievable this is marinovich like when he was doing the stretching and all that shit no stretches no kidney gummies though i he did she was never where was that at? Stefano.
Starting point is 00:12:05 See, that's what I mean. I feel like this would have all worked out better if he would have just given her a kidney to chew on when she was teething. Like, poor little Marinovich. So gross. Maybe the grossest thing we've ever covered. Including last week when a guy set a pregnant fucking woman on fire while she begged for her life. This is sort of grosser, the kidney thing.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Jamming a fucking beef kidney. It's got to be a beef one, right? Oh, yeah, that's what they sell in stores. I don't know where else. I mean, hog, I guess you could get. I guess. Yeah, they sell parts, don't they? They sell beef tongue.
Starting point is 00:12:35 They sell hooves and shit. They sell all sorts of weird shit. The tongue is bizarre. That's just so gross. That's creepy. That's Italian people eat that shit. Really? Oh, they make the tongue.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Oh, it's disgusting. No, no, no. They grow... My relatives are fucking barbarians, some of these people. creepy that's italian people eat that really yeah they make the time oh it's disgusting yeah no no no they grow my relatives are fucking barbarians some of these people oh listen white trash is no different yeah but it's just shit you'd never think to eat that they eat because they're that you know during like world war ii when the nazis were there and there wasn't anything to eat they ate horrible things and then they they got fucking used to it after a while and they weren't they were poor before the war so the things weren't like oh markedly worse they were just a little worse but like my grandmother will happily eat a big plate of chicken feet feet how do you do i don't even they fry them it's a if like one of her relatives comes one of her brothers or sisters
Starting point is 00:13:21 comes they're all 90 by the way that they'll have a big giant pile of chicken feet and eat the fuck out of that shit are there bones in that or is that just yeah you're picking it's just i i won't eat the chicken feet because i was born in america but uh she i've had beef liver and that is fucking vile when she was a child she's basically was a fifth world country at that point so they ate chicken feet and then she uh yeah she eats chicken feet liver and onions was a thing my mom made oh god and and i'll never forget what that tastes like that is the most disgusting thing i've ever had i still have that taste from six years old when my grandmother made that for me and told me it was steak and tried to trick me lying bastards lying motherfuckers her and my grandfather said yeah it's steak and my grandfather had this grin
Starting point is 00:14:04 on his face the whole time because he was like a wise ass and i'm like this motherfucker what's he doing and i take a bite and i i one chew i spit it out i go that what is that that is not steak oh my god and then he starts laughing it was the most disgusting taste ever it tastes like it tastes like when a dog has an ear infection if If you put that in a meat and cooked it. The smell, you mean? The smell. Because you've never tasted a dog's ear infection, right? No, but what that smell is.
Starting point is 00:14:30 You can taste that shit in the air. It's so gross. You know what I mean? That smell and taste. It's just dead animal. That's what the flavor is. It's the smell of dead animal. It's so bad.
Starting point is 00:14:42 See the smelly dead animal? I got the part where all the poisons and shit and gross stuff that the rest of the smelly disgusting beast couldn't process you want to just eat that yeah yeah everything where that is let's eat that organ that sounds perfect uh yeah so uh he put stefano put his i love it it's a stefano stefano put uh the first her first racket in her hand at age three. No kidding. Here you go, kid. So you can stand and walk, fucking swing this shit around. So a lot of broken knickknacks later as this kid went around the house destroying everything. Anything that'll bounce off it will bounce off it.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Will bounce off it. But at three, now this is in Spain. She's born in New York. She's born in New York City, but they live in Spain for the first four years she's alive. So first four years, baby sit-ups and holding the rack, it's happening in Spain. Kidney gummy, all that in Spain. And then, she's four years old, the family moves to Florida. Why do they move to Florida?
Starting point is 00:15:41 Not for a job. Training? This is to pursue her tennis career really she is four years old they moved across the world four at four an ocean they crossed it and moved to florida which let's be honest here that spain to florida is not a lateral move that is a fucking down step down sorry florida but go to spain look at the beaches in spain and then look at fucking fort lauderdale and then tell me they're the same thing shut up what what kind of talent must you uh by the way buy your tickets for orlando and tampa yeah sorry clear water's got a nice beach it's great what
Starting point is 00:16:16 what kind of talent must you reflect at age three for your parents to go that's it we're moving and at three you can barely swing the right what's the difference between talent and i think she hit one like oh good look she got one like i don't understand what the difference is at three you can't she did that for an entire year and they were like i'm convinced that's talent yeah i don't know i mean like the only time i couldn't see any talent in a sport that young unless it was like billiards they picked up a pool cue and cleared the table and fucking stood on a box and cleared the table at three that's the only way you've got shit that's a good it's pretty good to move a world away to to pursue her tennis career
Starting point is 00:16:55 so this is very much like marinovich here from in 1981 we're talking the age of five before she turns five and then five uh she trains with Chris Everett's father. Chris Everett, if you don't know, is a very, very famous, one of the greatest female tennis players of all time. Her father, Jimmy Everett, who I assume was like an American Stefano at that point, that's who she trains with. Chris Everett's dad's name is Jim Everett? Jim Everett, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Jim Everett was called Chris Everett by Jim Realm Sparking. Which is hilarious, yeah. Whether you believe it or not, a fight. Yeah, whatever the fuck that is. That is hilarious that her dad's name is Jim Everett. So you're calling me her dad. Jim Everett's Chris Everett's dad Jim must have been sitting there going, what's the fucking
Starting point is 00:17:40 problem? Yeah, what's the problem here? I'd be glad to be called my daughter's name. Calm down. And I'm yeah jim everett would be he would be lucky to be half as good an athlete as chris everett i'm sorry but chris everett much more successful than jim everett let's just all say that so he should have said you know what thanks you're right she dominates she fucking wins grand slams and shit i don't have any rings i have like one playoff win under my belt it was for a bad pass interference call over the giants yeah that's right i said it was bad it wasn't pass interference fuck you jim yeah fuck you you flat top douchebag so anyway so she he trains she
Starting point is 00:18:18 trains with him and then from 1985 to 1988 he she trains with rick machi or maki uh he's a big tennis coach this guy uh later on it comes up he has like this he has like this there's a he's got a whole bunch of shit later on he gets like a divorce and uh and uh there's like some criminal shit machi yeah but it's not about tennis it's all stuff with his wife and then financial 30 years later all sorts of weird shit going on but uh at this point he's a huge tennis coach seven time coach of the year national whatever tennis coach of the year seven times i guess that exists i just didn't know that's i had no idea you see this i mean this is another part is that we were talking about cultures we know nothing about before the show
Starting point is 00:18:58 started and this is one of those cultures we don't know shit about tennis number one okay score it and that's it yeah i know how to you know i can go play a little bit or whatever but not well i never learned a lesson or anything i'm not a fucking i don't come from a family where they're like let's get them tennis lessons no i had to play it in school and i can i can bounce a ball back and forth across the net yeah if somebody that knows what the fuck they're doing on the other side of the net why am i even doing it's silly yeah i look like an idiot i'm good at ping pong though so i feel like it's relatable. I can't even play that.
Starting point is 00:19:27 I'm really good at ping pong. Really? I'm fucking amazing at it. I'm ridiculous at ping. Like, seriously, I make people depressed and they don't want to play anymore. I can't even hit the fucking ball. We had a, there was a ping pong table that Josh had, a friend of mine, and he had this ping pong table and him and his friends would play.
Starting point is 00:19:43 And after like a week, nobody, they just stopped playing playing yeah because i it wasn't even fun anymore i just would fuck people up i'm ridiculous at ping pong it's silly i'm like forrest gump dude you've got to be able to make money with that right i can fucking i don't know it's a weird talent i didn't even know i had it when i played it i'm unreal at it backhands i fucking at the tip of the corner i'm insane at it i i'm really good with angles and things and like geometric shit on the fly like that like in basketball i'm good at like passing and finding lanes and stuff it's like one of those things like i don't know what it is i just don't know how you hit the fucking ball i can see it if i hit it just like this it'll spin
Starting point is 00:20:19 right there i don't know what it is man i have a weird vision for i can't do it because i can't totally useless talent a i can't get the because I can't. Totally useless talent. A, I can't get the little fucking paddle on the ball. And then B, when I do hit it, I don't know how to close that gate. Yeah, crank it over. I just fucking hit it and it goes forever away. And then I lose. That depends on what you want to do. Oh, see, that's it.
Starting point is 00:20:38 I'm terrible at it. Man, I got to teach you. I got to teach you, man. I can hit home runs with them. Bang. That's all I got. Boom. This fucking paddle works well. Did you see that thing fall? Pow. teach you i gotta teach you i can hit home runs with them bang that's all i got boom this fucking paddle works well you see that thing for pow i've broken those goddamn balls that's amazing but i
Starting point is 00:20:51 can't i can't do it strategically yeah you get the spin it's all about the fuck out of it fucking spin bitches so yeah so capriati's hitting the fuck out of it but you know on a real court not a table right you know in a room against people who are not athletes and she's young she's super young by 12 she is just fucking people up sure i mean girls her age stand no chance girls older than her she's beaten she's she looks like a pro at 12 already and just just schooling everybody's been doing it for three-fourths of her life yeah she moved to florida to do it right uh in 1989 uh she is just oh my god she's killing it here uh she has different uh coaches too she has a guy named gullickson is one of her coaches here for a while uh and he's he's won a lot of doubles titles with his brother and uh he coached uh pete
Starting point is 00:21:42 sampras uh until he ended up he later on coach Pete Sampras until this coach ended up dying. So, I mean, he's got Pete Sampras. He's a good coach, we'll just say. The guy was considered super handsome. Yeah. Who, Pete Sampras? Pete Sampras? Pete Hanson.
Starting point is 00:21:57 Pete Hanson. Pete Hansness. Handsomeness. No, but he's a good athlete, though. Yeah, he's great. People get that. His head is fucking weird he's got a weird head yeah i will say he does have a weird head a weird like uh uh it's like
Starting point is 00:22:10 a jew fro you know yeah he's got a little fro going on it's a very strange haircut yeah and he looks like he's got the hair of one of my cousins basically looks like he's got like guinea like wavy guinea hair guy sampras what was he i don't think so he's probably greek maybe i don't know something like that i don't know probably he was super hairy mediterranean yeah he's something about it same shit dude just we have better food that's all very weird looking man yeah everybody fawned over it's strange i think it's just because he's successful yeah probably yeah yeah when you're that successful i mean people probably thought peyton manning was attractive in some you know what i mean?
Starting point is 00:22:47 Somebody must have swooned and he looks like Frankenstein. So I'm looking for the bolts in his neck every time he does commentary. It's a different story. Weird forehead. Fucking weird everything. Weird head shape. Yeah. I'm just weirded out by the way it changes colors when he plays football oh that helmet pressed against that forehead just
Starting point is 00:23:05 turns it a deep shade of crimson that lasts weird hours yeah it's all indented yeah he took a shower and he's in dress clothes and he's sitting at a mic for a press conference and there it is i feel like every monday on his forehead yeah i feel like every monday or like tuesday if there's a monday game he has to go into a special guy who's like a skull reshaper that has to reshape it back into its normal forehead so he can go do Campbell's Soup commercials and horse shit like that. That's what he was doing his whole career. Get him out.
Starting point is 00:23:33 We're shooting a fucking State Farm commercial in an hour. We can't have this guy with a dented forehead. Can we get that round circle off Peyton's fucking face? How are we going to explain this? We're going to have to say we paid a claim on that. Something had to have happened. That's clearly an accident.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Junkie Soup rep wanders through. Don't worry. We have Drew Brees who has shit on his face. He's got shit on his face. So we'll just shoot Peyton from the eyebrows down and everything will be fine. It'll be real intense. Like he's staring at the soup. It'll be good.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Drew Brees, real tight on his real tight tight on that left side okay uh get his mouth oh no you're getting some cheek in there every just drew can you stop moving is that possible how are we gonna know who he is if we can't see his face we'll tell them it's true breeze it doesn't matter just shoot the jersey only shoot him from the back with his jersey and the back of his head and we'll just see the spoon coming up, sort of, from this. We'll get the picture. Don't worry about it. We'll get it. They'll understand what you mean.
Starting point is 00:24:27 He'll be like, mm, this is good junkie soup, he'll say, and then we'll know. Same with Peyton, and we'll see which one's better. Can we put in the script that Drew says, I didn't want to show you my shit face? Sorry. Jesus Christ. I've been bullied about it my whole life.
Starting point is 00:24:43 My damn shit face. christ i've been bullied about it my whole life my damn shit face so her father stefano is she wants he wants her to turn pro at 12 yeah he's like she could be making money right i want her to turn pro i got 12 years invested in this i need a return come on man you know how expensive these lessons are she's not making money with these kiddie tournaments you know what it costs to move across the fucking planet yeah no shit uh so the he he lobbies and pressures the women's tennis council to exempt jennifer from the rule they have that bars girls under 14 from competing in their deal now two years no and that's the thing 14 years even seems pretty young. You know, it's kind of young. I can't imagine a kid playing right field that's 14 years old.
Starting point is 00:25:28 Yeah. Or picture any pro sport, team sport, where a kid is 14 out there, and you're like, that might be a little young. Someone's going to push him around. We suspend a disbelief for rookie of the year. Yeah, exactly. This is basically what we're doing here. She was struck by a lightning or fell out of a fucking tree.
Starting point is 00:25:48 She broke her arm and now she's got lightning quick backhand. A rocket backhand that comes out at 200 miles an hour. It fucking puts flaming holes in people's rackets. They don't know how to stop her. That's how it works. So she is the world tennis. He tells people, he says, quote quote they made the age rule well they made of the age rule he said they made of the age rule because of the burnout he says from just two players tracy austin austin and andrea jaeger uh he said but they don't know jennifer she's a very
Starting point is 00:26:18 happy girl she gets to the straight a's in the school and she's a very healthy she just wants to improve her tennis that's what he says she gets straight a's the school and she's very healthy. She just wants to improve her tennis. That's what he says. She gets straight A's in school and she's very healthy. You don't understand. I'm healthy as a horse. I've been feeding her a kidney to chew on since she's one year old. She's so healthy.
Starting point is 00:26:36 So much B12. Why would you include that in there? She's very healthy. Maybe that she's not crazy. He means it like that. Because you've got to understand, he's translating. Anytime you look at that. There's a culture gap.
Starting point is 00:26:57 Well, he thinks in Italian and then has to change that into English as he talks. So he might say she's very sane or she's very stable. And he comes out, she's very healthy. And it makes her sound like an animal. She's nice. She's got a good cradle she's got a nice undercarriage she's got her on all fours she's gonna be nice telling the board that she's good if you lift up her tail her anal glands produce a very very nice poop i tell you right now it's a very nice expressing her glands so you can express it. Go ahead. Go ahead. Right here in front of everybody. She's used to it.
Starting point is 00:27:31 It's okay. It will show you how healthy she is. Go ahead and express to my little girls the glands. I'll show you how nice... This is so gross. Good lord. Oh god, Stefano. She just... She couldn't be more Italian if his name was just Steffi. It's Stefano Cabriari, yeah?
Starting point is 00:27:50 I wait for shit like this because I make fun of everybody else, and now I get to make fun of my own people. It's nice. So, yeah. So she just wants to improve with her tennis. You know what I mean? So she plays in 1989. She plays in some girls, you know what i mean so uh she plays in 1989 she plays in some girls you know under
Starting point is 00:28:06 you know not adult leagues you play girls uh grand slam girls singles finals here uh where she wins the girls french open and the girls u.s open uh beating the shit out of people in straight sets because they're under fucking 14 so she's to crush those girls. And then she goes on to the doubles that year. Same thing. She crushes in that and wins both of those also with her partner Meredith McGrath, who I haven't heard of since, but I'm not a big tennis player. I assume she wasn't as good as Capriati probably. You got it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:40 I'm going to say. I know who she is and I know shit about tennis. Yeah. So now all the, Jesus Christ. At first they thought it. Yeah. I'm going to say. Because I know who she is and I know shit about tennis. Yeah. So now all the, Jesus Christ. At first they thought it was cool. The whole family thought it was cool to go over there. They went to France, for Christ's sake, to fucking play tennis. It's exciting.
Starting point is 00:28:55 It's neat. She's got a younger brother also. So it was a few years younger than her. So he gets to kind of tag. We'll talk about him. Steven is his name. It's Stefano. It's a Steven.
Starting point is 00:29:05 He's the Italian of Junior. We'll talk about him. Steven is his name. It's a Stefano. It's a Steven. He's the Italian, a junior. I poor guy. So they all went over there. Everybody was was jacked about everything. And she was very obviously naive and didn't know. She's not used to international travel at 12 to 13 years old. He's only done it once. As most seventh graders aren't used to like,'t used to going on a world tour where people take pictures
Starting point is 00:29:28 of you and interview you and shit like that. It's super weird. She told the newspaper there when she was in Paris in 1990 that she was surprised that Notre Dame was a cathedral because she just thought it was the college with the football team with the gold helmets. And that's what Notre Dame was. She's like no they named it notre dame too it's gonna blow her mind when she finds out about the hunchback yeah it's yeah she's like well this is pre disney cartoon hunchback in notre dame though like four or five more years she would have went oh my god
Starting point is 00:29:59 i get it now when the movie came out she was like you know there's one this is about the one in france this isn't about the football team. You know that, right? Like, I know things. I'm very well. I'm cultured as fuck. I'm traveled in culture. You have no idea. So 1990 here is when she begins to kind of really come into her own.
Starting point is 00:30:19 It's the year she turns pro and all that sort of thing. the year she turns pro and all that sort of thing. She plays in her first professional debut, I guess you'd call it, is at a Virginia Slims tournament in Boca Raton, Florida, which tells you right there she's too young because it's sponsored by a cigarette for older ladies, like 48-year-old ladies. They're aiming at the right uh people though in boca oh yeah oh yeah yeah that's who else is going to sponsor it i don't know if there's is
Starting point is 00:30:50 there like a liver spot cream remover sunblock yeah some kind of sunblock copper tone open yeah so uh she wins her first match here and people go fucking bonkers yeah because she's 13 years old. And they go absolutely batshit crazy, like paparazzi swarm her. They don't care about anybody else in the tournament. All they care about is this 13-year-old girl who just won a professional match. And how pissed is the girl she beat? I just got beat by a fucking eighth grader. Literally an eighth grader just beat me. Like, this is wrong.
Starting point is 00:31:23 I just lost to somebody with posters of a pop star on their walls she needs to send a note somewhere to explain why she's not in science class right now and instead is beating the shit out of me in another country while surprised that notre dame is a church then she blew her brains out jesus christ man uh she said to the media quote i'm excited about my match but I think the media is kind of a little out of control, is what she said, because she was kind of. Well, she clearly doesn't get it. She doesn't realize how rare this is that she's doing this.
Starting point is 00:31:54 She's like, this is a bit much. And then two weeks later, it gets worse as she appears on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Really? At 13 years old. Is that the youngest? I don't know about that, but she's, for a pro probably,
Starting point is 00:32:07 I mean, they probably have shown high school athletes or something, but a pro athlete. I'm sure that there's been an athlete with their baby on the cover.
Starting point is 00:32:13 Yeah, I mean, she is in the middle of, you know, playing in the tournament. The picture of her is like an action shot and it says on the cover
Starting point is 00:32:19 and she's only 13 and says, Jennifer Capriotti reaches the finals of her first pro tournament, which is pretty fucking amazing honestly there she ends up she's a runner up in that
Starting point is 00:32:30 tournament then she goes on to a tournament in Hilton Head and it's on it's on clay this one the first one was on a hard service this one's on clay and she plays Martina Navratilova no kidding who is the she's the pinnacle she's the yeah she's the legend
Starting point is 00:32:46 i mean and a legend she's been around for fucking amazing 15 years and she's a she's a tough brun that martina navratilova i think she's like a real tough lesbian or something yeah you almost no she yeah martine is a she's a she's a tough athlete and a kick ass competitor and someone you'd be frightened of to play if you're 13 years old because she looks like she means business because she does. You know, I watched a lot of tennis around this time and I don't think I've ever seen Martine Navratilova smile. No, not on the court. She has a thing. She's a she's all. Plus, she's Eastern European.
Starting point is 00:33:20 So to get a smile out of her anyway, she grew up behind the red curtain, so she's like, you know. A lot of smiles in that bank for her to be Sharon. You want her to smile. You're like, wasn't that funny, Martina? She's like, when I was little girl, I had to wipe ass with burlap as we took potatoes from town into home. And you'd be like, oh, so not funny? Not entertaining at all. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:43 You're good at tennis. I know. I have to play tennis to get away from the burlap butt wipings. Because butthole too raw to make it one more day. This is escape. This is escape. I play for the Charmin. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:34:01 I play only for the two-ply mega-roll Charmin. Extra soft. I play only for the two-ply mega roll Charmin extra soft to make up for a scratchy butthole childhood. Yeah, Martina beats her. Those little toilet paper rolls that are left in her after a wipe. She just smiles. She's like, at least I have those. It feels so good. It's so much better.
Starting point is 00:34:25 At least they're there. It's so much better It's so much better. At least they're there. It's so much better. Sometimes we have to use steel wool. Much worse. Much worse. Sometimes burlap, we run out. Dry. We cannot afford potato.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Or water. Or water. Dry wiping with some steel wool. Oh, Jesus. So, Martina Navratilova beats her ass in two straight sets. Yeah. She's great. She's great. And this kid's a child. You know, Jesus. So Martina Navratilova beats her ass in two straight sets. Yeah, because she's great. She's great, and this kid's a child, and whatever.
Starting point is 00:34:50 But still, she didn't shut her out. It was two sixes, four sixes. I mean, you know, she... Not bad. Fucking, yeah, she held her own at least. And then she goes on to another tournament here in Puerto Rico, where she wins the damn tournament there as a child and becomes her first tournament win which is crazy uh she plays in the federation cup feel here the federation
Starting point is 00:35:12 cup is another uh you know kind of a it's like these teams of different countries and all this sort of shit i think it's like the rider cup and golf i almost asked that okay i'm pretty sure that sucks sort of what it is she plays in atlanta there and uh the u.s ends up winning over the soviet union in the finals which there was barely still a soviet union for like one more year there'd be a soviet union it's by 92 olympics it's oh it's done that's done and there there's the union yeah is the one we'll talk about that it's all kinds of different countries yeah they just mix it's just all the federate states without russia all the you know russian states so uh in 1990 she makes her pro french open debut and reaches the semi-finals at age 14 really so that's a great 14 years old and 70 days
Starting point is 00:35:57 yeah she becomes uh following the tournament she busts into the top 10 rankings in the world becomes the youngest player ever to break into the top 10 world rankings. Holy shit. So she's a fucking phenom. What kind of money does that make to you? Well, at 14, she got a $5 million endorsement contract with Oil of Olay. Wow. And the TV commercial said, quote, for younger looking skin.
Starting point is 00:36:22 To make you look like you're 14? To make you look like me if 14 to make you look if you look like me if you use oil of ole a 14 year old italian athlete how dumb do they think women are i will say this okay not to whatever but one thing the only thing i would say italians have good we have a few things but one thing that's good for us is we look we tend to look a little younger a lot sometimes in the face the olive oil really it helps maintains it yeah i i look a few years younger than my age my dad looks younger my mom it works out for us like that so this is a 14 year old italian athlete too she comes from like good stock with nice looking parents so her she's just yeah her she does not look like if you're 50
Starting point is 00:37:04 you're not ever going to look like a 14-year-old Italian athlete. It's not going to happen. Unbelievable. So she also got racket contracts, clothing contracts, millions and millions and millions of fucking dollars is what we're talking here. To be in the top 10. At 14 years old, she got all of this.
Starting point is 00:37:20 It should be a wrap. Her future is set. Doing great, right? She should be ready to go by 23. She should be retired. Stefan, what did you do? Stefano. Is this enough for Stefano?
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Starting point is 00:39:56 that little dead dude which i thought was hilarious which is fucking funny and shit he's the same size as you a little dead dude right yeah it's about the same size as you. A little dead dude, right? Yeah, he's about the same size. So, yeah, this 1990, though, she reaches the semifinals of the French Open. She goes to the fourth round of Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. So, not too bad. Unbelievable. She's the youngest player to reach a professional final in 1990. Debuts at number 25 on the rankings when she comes in and then breaks the
Starting point is 00:40:26 top 10 youngest ever semi-finalist in the french open youngest ever seed at wimbledon uh she won her first singles title in puerto rico like we said and finishes the 1990 season ranked at number eight incredible and is the youngest player also to finish the season at the in the top 10 so she's the youngest to do everything basically she's a phenom she's the shit nothing can go wrong right i mean we've heard okay i know there's been 162 crime and sports episodes and something always goes wrong right but maybe this is just a good story about a successful young lady who feels good and everything's working out maybe we're just going to tell you a feel-good story, right? Yeah, I'm sure that's what it is. So she makes from tennis, her earnings are $283,587 from actually playing, which is not bad for 14 years old. Best playing job I've ever heard of for 14 years.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Not too shabby. Yeah, apart from acting. Yeah, apart from acting. You're not even allowed to work at 14. You have to get a special permit and shit in states to work but like at 16 you're making minimum wage at dairy queen right it's not 283 000 this is 14th in the world in tennis earnings for women so she's the 14th highest you know earning tennis woman in the world at 14 years old go back to school and this is done she's got literally literally 8th grade to finish. This is insanity.
Starting point is 00:41:46 This is fucking nuts. How do you sit down in a class and a teacher making 36 grand a year is telling you stay in school? Are you shitting me? I made 8 times your salary yesterday. Bitch, unless you got something to say about my backhand, I don't think I'm going to fucking listen to you. And just toss her
Starting point is 00:42:01 oil of Olay bottle. Yeah, here, look younger. Younger looking skin? Here you here you go lady knock yourself out wow so 1991 january of 1991 she is on forbes magazine list of 40 highest paid athletes so top 40 it's incredible highest paid athletes and i guess this includes endorsements or whatever here but uh you could tell you the top 10 here if you're interested. Oh, I can't wait. 1991. And this, I guess, is for 1990.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Evander Holyfield, $60.5 million. Hold on. She is in the top 40 highest paid athletes of Forbes magazine. Including Evander fucking Holyfield. Yeah, top 40. Holy shit. We're talking Holyfield. Yeah, top 40. Holy shit. We're talking Holyfield made $60.5 million that year. Wow.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Mike Tyson, $31.5 million that year. Michael Jordan, $16 million that year. From basketball. From basketball and shit. George Foreman, $14.5 million. An auto racer in Brazil, Senna, 13 senna 13 million another auto racer from france made 11 razor ruddick remember razor he's a bad motherfucker great nickname uh boxer he's he uh 10.2 million arnold palmer yeah the golfer and uh golden bear drink uh yeah yeah or was that jack
Starting point is 00:43:21 nicholas that's jack that's arnold palmer's just a lemonade iced tea guy yeah uh he made 9.3 uh and then another racer from the uk made nine million and sugar ray leonard made eight and a half so the top 10 is all except for michael jordan it's all boxers and car racers and they're all historical yeah yeah that's they're all the best of the best of anything anybody that ever ever played what they play. Yeah. And from that era, too, it's like there's a lot of legendary people here. Now, 1991, she wins a tournament in Canada up in Toronto there. I don't know how important that was. She goes over to Birmingham in the UK for the Federation or Fed Cup finals there. And they win.
Starting point is 00:44:00 They beat Spain in the finals there. So she's cruising right along here. Also in 91, she has a tournament in San Diego where she beats Monica Seles and wins the tournament there, which is a pretty big fucking deal. Monica Seles was on her come up at that point. But still. And then there's a tournament in Toronto where she wins again. And then she comes in runner up in a tournament in Philly where Monica Salas beats her in the final. So, you know, I mean, that's pretty decent.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Pretty great. You're talking about Monica Salas, another person who, if you don't know shit about tennis, you still know who she was. She's the chick who got stabbed. So she is. That's the best way to describe it. But in the Grand Slam, she went to the fourth round of the French Open semifinals in Wimbledon semifinals in US Open. So she did very well here. September 1st, 1991.
Starting point is 00:44:54 There is a book. There's a book out released by Sports Illustrated kids for, like, you know, libraries of schools and shit called Jennifer Capriati. So she's it's 58 pages long. that's her life story at this point she's fucking 14 that's that's like four pages per year she did nothing at six that's worthy of four four pages of print i'm sorry nobody at seven has ever done anything worth four pages of print nobody nothing you do is worthy of that shit are you kidding me but there's a fucking book out about this person incredible how many 14 year olds have books written about them then pre-social media and shit like that nobody unless it's like it's so rare the kid called the child called it i read that book a royal child maybe if it's like you know one of those i'm sure they all
Starting point is 00:45:42 have books written about them the second they take their first royal shit it's rarely a feel-good story it's usually like a tragic story of how this kid died yeah some death from some weird genetic illness because they're all inbred or some weird royal bullshit out of them for 14 years something like that yes but instead this is a happy book for children incredible says it's for ages eight and up yeah for uh so yeah i guess i'd be big letters reading age so uh she wins uh she has she partners up with monica sellis to win a doubles tournament in rome in 1991 also they became friends i guess so they've willing they had to respect each other one one lose one hey now we work together game respect game motherfucker you know what i mean so So she had 1991.
Starting point is 00:46:26 She, like I said, semifinals in the U.S. Open. That's in New York. That's kind of a big deal here. She was, it's weird, man. She was so fucking into, at this point, tennis. It's her whole life. at this point tennis it's her whole life uh she when she loses uh the the the match finally in the u.s open she kind of had a little meltdown and ran off the court crying with mascara running down her cheeks and she's a child because you know she's a child and that happens and she's you know
Starting point is 00:46:59 she's basically at this point she's 15 so she's she's a sophomore. And as we've brought up sophomores many times, there's many things that sophomores are good for and not good for. Handling pressure on a national stage, probably one of the things they're not the best at. Crying, though? Really good. Really good at crying sophomores. High school sophomores are excellent at it.
Starting point is 00:47:19 They just got their period, and life is a nightmare. Yeah, and as she's leaving, someone in the media asked her if she choked she just lost a match in a what are you kidding me i'm 15 you can't choke at that age i'm here that's no yeah that's that's the answer yeah am i here and what do you do did i hit the ball with the racket then i didn't choke at this that's pretty impressive what are your fucking shitty kids doing nothing i bet not not fighting for a u.s open finals berth i bet you so uh yeah she sobbed though and ran out under the stadium just beat me out there well then shut the fuck up shut up exactly jesus christ
Starting point is 00:48:01 she got she got led away by mayor david dinkins of new york there yeah that's who led her off the court because she just kind of stood there for a second and nobody was around and so she just didn't know where to go or what to do so the mayor was like let me help this kid and get her off the fucking court she also isn't used to losing so she probably didn't know how to leave yeah one of the players there said quote she was never the same i saw an unhappy person after that really this kind of yeah everybody kind of takes this as the turning point of when she didn't like tennis anymore where she didn't appear to be having fun anymore i don't know what it was about this particular match or what if there was something behind the scenes before it or after it or what
Starting point is 00:48:40 happened but this whole thing everybody says her her her just her attitude and her her light for the whole thing seemed to have been extinguished well she's been winning consistently the whole time and now she's lost to sell us which kind of this wasn't even sell us right but that puts a bug in your head already that you can lose at this and now this is another loss on a much bigger scale she's just just, yeah, she's real upset here. Yeah, she's upset and she, you know, it fucking happens. So, but I mean, it's pretty good. She reached these semifinals at Wimbledon, for Christ's sake, and everything.
Starting point is 00:49:15 She was earning over $7 million a year in endorsements alone. She's being pretty good here. Her father, though, is being criticized by all sides. A lot of people are criticizing him for pushing his daughter too far into this and everything like that. And he was really criticized by a tennis writer. Those exist. What? People who all they do is write about tennis.
Starting point is 00:49:38 That sounds terrible. That sounds like it's quite the existence. That's a way to... Wow, that just sounds... I mean, I get there's people that are into it yeah that's their whole just watch and how much of an audience is reading about tennis it's got to be 12 people what's your what's your toe i mean i get tennis i understand tennis is a popular worldwide sport but i've seen the u.s open there isn't a hundred thousand people
Starting point is 00:49:59 now and it's not soccer it's not the fucking ncaa final game it's not any of that shit so i don't know how many people are reading about tennis like or that i could see watching it but like oh i gotta know i've accidentally seen wimbledon on tv and was like oh i should sit and watch this this is kind of cool yeah yeah i've never ever checked when the list went when does that come on no exactly i think tennis to me is is the highlights are really entertaining because you just see they break a two hour two and a half hour match down to just a few smashes and somebody going at it and ball getting right in on the line and or that scream just the the volley back and forth and any girl just screaming like she just broke a leg every
Starting point is 00:50:41 time she hits the fucking ball that's that's my favorite part be funny if guys did that motherfucker every time they hit it cocksucker cunt every fucking time they swung at it i wish one would just scream cunt every time because you wouldn't know no you wouldn't have it because it would fit in with the ball like poof in the you'd never hear see you hear that that was just it was right in there i just want one guy to be like every time like those nut cases on the christian network that work out too much and look like they're gonna tear their pectoral muscles on camera it's amazing so uh stefano's criticized by a tennis writer uh and stefano in response says quote and this is great fucking quote here this can only be done in an italian accent he says look i love my daughter more than you know but where i come from we have a proverb when the apple is a ripe eat it that's what he says he just called his daughter a ripe
Starting point is 00:51:44 fruit yeah when the apple is ripe eat in other words this he says he just called his daughter a ripe fruit yeah when the apple is ripe eat in other words this is when the money's coming so this is when we're fucking making it what he should have said was hey tennis writer write about tennis motherfucker i don't even play tennis i love my daughter more than you know but where i come it's like i love my daughter more than you know but right um if this isn't right for her not and my her best interests are the only thing i care about and money is secondary and maybe if she wants to stop playing and continue after school that's great no no no when the apple is ripe eat it this is this bitch is playing tennis so shut up very ripe apple it's fucking she's about this close to mushy so let's
Starting point is 00:52:21 get her going boy let's start slicing her up and make that pie because i am hungry so uh yeah so uh she finishes this season 91 ranked number six in the world six unbelievable fucking six uh she makes 535 617 dollars uh making 10 making she's making the tennis she's making a tennis making tennis as i just said playing tennis which is ninth for women in the world here he just did the italian making fuck she makes a fuck you know it's my favorite part of the movie clerks the russian guys how would you like some making fuck and he says the girl there that whoever that is some female she goes did he just say making fuck that's in that jersey accent it's the female she goes did he just say making fuck that's in that jersey accent it's the fucking funniest line did he just say making a berserker right yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:53:11 would you like some making fuck berserker okay that's wonderful this is the capriana she's making the tennis that's what she'd do so uh 92 here 1992 july 25th through August 9th, 1992, is the Barcelona Summer Olympics. This is the dream team. This is Jordan and Barkley and Magic Johnson. She played in that? She was in those Olympics, yeah. I mean, she wasn't on that team. No, she was not.
Starting point is 00:53:36 She played backup point guard, actually. She was right. It was John Stockton and Isaiah Thomas, and then she was behind them. And then it was Capriotti. They bumped her last minute for Christian Laettner. They were like, we need a behind them and it was Capriotti they bumped her last minute for Christian Laettner and they were like we need a college player we had Capriotti we hear she's a good
Starting point is 00:53:51 her father says that the fruits are ripe so we're gonna put her in but I don't know so July 25th this is the big Olympics so anything that happened in that Olympics unless it was the US team you know beating other countries by 85 points it really wasn't covered by anybody because it was the u.s team you know beating other countries by 85 points it really wasn't covered by anybody because it was just the most ridiculous thing anybody ever seen it was every hall of
Starting point is 00:54:11 fame player ever that was still alive it was larry bird and christian one college guy we'll throw him in there it was ridiculous it would be like if when they did the pole vault one guy did 30 feet another guy did 180 feet and they were like yeah that's the difference and it's like well how the fuck did that happen that's what it was ridiculous so during these uh these games here uh this was in barcelona like we said now uh by the way we've had questions about their summer one year in the winter and then there's sometimes there's summer every four years and two years. And did they alternate or remember? It's every four years and they're two years apart.
Starting point is 00:54:48 So, yeah, like we didn't know when that started because there was other Olympics that they didn't do that. They just did them. So in 94, they decided to hold games and alternating even numbered years. So then it was 92 ended up being that was the last that was the last time the winter and summer games were in the same year. Really? It was 92. Because that's what they used to have the winter and the winter and the summer and the summer the same year every four years and then they staggered them after that probably because the summer games that year just oh demolished them ratings they're like we've got to do something else well you're wiped on olympic shit by the end of the summer how are you going
Starting point is 00:55:18 to do the winter so point yeah this was the first games that were that nobody boycotted since 1972. Is that right? Yeah, because the wall fell, so the Russian, the whole communist thing was gone. So nobody boycotted because there's no Soviet states here. The unified team won 45 gold medals. That's the team consisting of all the fucking Soviet know fucking soviet republics together um all that shit except for estonia latvia and lithuania who decided to do their own fucking thing like we don't need this shit here so uh this is the only olympic appearance of the unified team by the way really after that they all broke into little countries and fought each other ravenously i'm sure and in small
Starting point is 00:56:01 conflicts so in this uh she goes all the way through she beats anka huber of germany in the first round she beats arancia sanchez vicario who i've heard on espn a million times from spain in the second round here and then goes to the finals against stephy graff who is a very famous fucking great tennis player who is uh andre agassi's wife yeah imagine the little tennis players i wonder if they're making them do sit-ups and putting rackets in their hand i think they're just enjoying all the money that mom and dad have made because those two the stefano and they didn't even neither of them played tennis they're just like we pick at the tennis why did he pick tennis i don't know weird choice he breathed she beats her uh six three three six
Starting point is 00:56:43 six four she beat stephy graph beat stephy graph and wins the fucking gold medal unbelievable she wins the gold medal uh as a child as a sophomore that is incredible she beats stephy graph and wins a gold medal which is bonkers stephy graph's probably in her early 20s at this point though right yeah but in the rest of her career she'll never beat stephy graph again really total in her, she's one and nine against Steffi Graf. One time it was for the gold medal. The one time it mattered. Well, I mean, it still matters.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Pretty amazing, though. Yeah, she wins the gold. Steffi Graf wins the silver and bronze is Sanchez Vicario. Steffi is pissed. Steffi is super pissed here. Yeah, I would say so. Also goes on, there's a tournament in San Diego where she wins that one in august of 92 she's fucking cruising 92 goes to the quarterfinals the australian open french open and wimbledon uh third round of the u.s open so uh she's doing she's doing very very well here
Starting point is 00:57:37 uh but the problem is this is when she's turning 16 yeah and uh she turns 16 and as anyone who's ever had a teenage daughter or known a teenage girl or been a teenage girl or anything like that knows uh these two words that are used to describe her could pretty much describe any uh anybody not just girls anybody of that age boys too but especially it seems to affect girls quote surly and uncommunicative well yeah which is about the that's exactly what you'd call a 16 year old would be surly i would say that's a good way to do it and italian and italians i mean she's pissy yeah and she's got her father telling her calling her a ripe apple and she's like i don't want to fucking do this uh everybody calls her those are the words to
Starting point is 00:58:19 use to describe her surly and uncommunicative she doesn't want to fucking do this anymore uh she came away after the 92 season even though she won a fucking gold medal she described the whole year as quote a waste wow so she just was pissed off about it uh yeah she uh her tennis director at a school of hers said quote on the road she was surrounded by agents manufacturers promoters all the people who are asking something from her she couldn't share a lot and i, she was surrounded by agents, manufacturers, promoters, all the people who were asking something from her. She couldn't share a lot, and I think it was isolating and lonely. Yeah, I would say, if you're 15. And you're talking to people that aren't your fucking friends.
Starting point is 00:58:54 And agents and stuff like that. We're adults, and we have to talk to business people and stuff like that. And we're always like, oh, Jesus Christ. This is going to be brutal. This is brutal, and we hate talking business and stuff. Imagine if you're 15. Imagine you're a sophomore, like we've said. And people are just like, no, we need to talk about this business thing for an hour and a half.
Starting point is 00:59:12 You don't care. You're 16. You just want to go. It was a 93, 92. You want to go listen to Nirvana and fucking Wu-Tang and tell people to leave you alone. It's all there is to it. So, yeah. tang and tell people to leave you alone right that's all there is to it uh so yeah uh and so they end up hiring uh they end up hiring a coach at this point because she gets some they call her
Starting point is 00:59:33 they say she's starting to get some burnout her grades start to slip at school you know because she's busy concerning when you're making millions of dollars it's hard for some you're never going to amount to anything i have 12 million dollars in the bank it's hard for some. You're never going to amount to anything. I have $12 million in the bank. It's more than you'll ever fucking make. Shut up. In your entire life combined. In your entire life. You'll never get to where I'm at.
Starting point is 00:59:51 I could stop. You could work till you die, and I could stop right now, and I'll still have more money than you. I'm 16. So what are we talking about? Why am I listening to math? This is why I'm surly and uncommunicative. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:00:02 And that's the other thing, too. You're thinking, imagine the put-upon-ness of anybody. Professional athletes feel this all the time, that they're put-upon by the whole thing. And imagine if you're 16, where you feel put-upon if someone tells you to clean your fucking room. You think it's a world conspiracy against you, when it's just you need to clean your room. Imagine this for that. It's insane. So her father keeps being criticized a lot uh uh for
Starting point is 01:00:27 you know pushing her she would act rebelliously kind of on the court if her parents would say something she would ignore them and shit like that and so yeah uh her her father ends up stopping to coach her and hires pavel uh pavel slozel who sounds like an angry Eastern European man, to be the coach. Stefano says, right now she needs me as a father, not as a coach. And she's very ripe, if you look at her right now. It's very, very ripe. Picking is good, everybody. You want to check her anal glands?
Starting point is 01:00:57 I'll express them before you. She's very nice. Very ripe anal glands, I tell you. So disgusting. Jesus Christ. So he said, quote, this way we can keep them separate this away they were separated so uh debbie or denise debbie denise the mother uh she uh ends up uh leaving her job as a flight attendant to spend more time with her children because she was back doing flight attendant shit and And because by the 90s and 80s, you could be just a normal,
Starting point is 01:01:26 you didn't have to be a single 23-year-old woman to be a flight attendant anymore. Which, you know, it's fine. Just make sure you can hand me drinks without spilling them on me. That's all it is. I don't really care how old you are, what you look like.
Starting point is 01:01:39 I'm not interested. Just fucking... You'd be a gay man. I don't give a shit. I'd rather it's a gay man. Honestly, gay men are the best flight attendants they're fucking amazing flight attendants so nice i know if that's a that's gonna be considered like a a sweeping like a broad general a broad generalization but sorry i mean uh
Starting point is 01:01:57 they are really fly a lot like we know you notice shit like that and if i see i have a gay dude flight attendant i'm like fuck yeah is going to be a good flight. We're going to be all right. Things are going to be fine. Everything's going to be okay. Even if this shit goes down, I'll go down with a smile on my face because that man made sure that my drinks were full. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Also, this year she becomes the youngest player to surpass the million dollar tennis earnings mark before 16, which is crazy uh she finishes the season
Starting point is 01:02:27 ranked number seven she makes 315 501 dollars in tennis which is 15th overall and uh grace yeah let's just say let's call this grace things start to get a little slippery after this she's got two graces by the way really there's she's got a double grace this is the first thing that's fun this is weird yeah we've never falls does better and then falls again she slips falls gets up climbs even higher and then fucking crashes again so uh yeah so 93 she continues to do well she uh loses a tournament final to steffi graf uh at one point there so she got some revenge against steffi got some revenge against her here she has a Australian Open she goes there she's in the she put the Steffi Graf one too she won one of the sets and then Steffi kicked her ass in the
Starting point is 01:03:12 next two I think she was mad you don't piss off a German no don't piss off a German tennis player he'll come right I think she's German German Austrian German Austria Austrian I want to say she's German that flag is German that's german she's fucking german god damn it so i see a little flag next to her name in my black red and yellow yeah it's the it's german yeah yeah it's like yeah kind of almost the uh the 80s astros without the orange yeah that's what their flag black yeah yeah i could see nolan ryan wearing their flag yeah be great i don't know what austria's flag looks like i don't either they're too small i don't know i don't know man so uh she had tendonitis and bone chips in her elbow at this point uh so
Starting point is 01:03:55 how do you get that in your elbow tennis elbow i guess some sort of bone chips bone chips in her elbow yeah she's got i guess rubbing together uh she uh she loses in the first round of the U.S. Open in September and then just stops playing for right then because of her injury and stuff like that. Fuck, that sounds painful. Yeah, she goes back to Florida from the tour and she starts having a hard time at home. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:17 She tells people that she's having a hard time fitting in with her old friends. She's been off on tour. And she's got a shitload of money so her friends want shit well not only that she's just they've been doing other things and she hasn't been hanging out with them so she's they're they're in this stuff that she doesn't know what's going on you're away from the group you're away from the group i used to come my parents lived in separate coasts so i used to go back and forth and you come back from a summer you have to catch
Starting point is 01:04:41 up of what what are we all doing now what are we into now that's one thing but she's also got life experiences that make her older than that's the other thing yeah and they're not they're not the same in in terms of uh what what she's seen she's seen adult shit yeah and they haven't yeah no it's true uh one of the people around her said quote her peer group had moved on with their lives she had to create a group for herself i think she became fascinated with people who didn't even know who she for herself i think she became fascinated with people who didn't even know who she was uh it was better than being around people who wanted something from her so this is when she would like she'll start hanging out with people and not not telling them who she is like she hangs out with people and she's like just on the down low secret like no
Starting point is 01:05:20 only her friends will know who she is and that's it behave like a normal person she just doesn't want anybody to know who she is because and that's it. She doesn't behave like a normal person. She just doesn't want anybody to know who she is, because then they automatically act differently around her, and they want shit from her. She's used to her parents and sponsors and everybody else wanting something from her since she was in her crib being forced to do sit-ups. It's been everybody wants her to do something. So, yeah, she would fucking fight with her parents away from tennis, too. Yeah, she would fucking fight with her parents away from tennis, too. One day they were at a swimming pool, and she was drinking a beer or an alcoholic drink of some kind. And Stefano fucking took it away from her and told her she can't have it because she's 16. And apparently threw the drink on her.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Oh, my God. It's by the pool. But he threw the drink, not the glass, but the liquid on her. But at a public pool or in their own pool? I think it was their own pool. It's got to be their own, right? Yeah, I don't think they're at an apartment complex. She's got millions of dollars.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Yeah, I doubt they're at an apartment complex or anything. They're not at the municipal pool down there. Fucking pushing kids with swimmies aside from both levels. To get a wine cooler ducked in her face. Yeah, I don't think so. So a family friend said quote it was a difficult time with the family members all yelling at each other all the time so that was that so money more problems babe that's what i'm saying well for her apparently for so 19 if you're a
Starting point is 01:06:35 teenager more anything more problems absolutely you just you have problems going to school and coming home nothing but problems exactly your whole fucking life so november 1993 she moves out of her parents house oh boy in saddlebrook in florida there and moves into an apartment nearby okay which is you can't do that that's yeah i mean she's got the money no they're in a delicate spot with her because if they tell her no then she can go to the court and get herself emancipated and then they get shit. They get nothing. So they have to be, they're trying to play this, I feel like, very much.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Yeah, but you got to understand, as a child who's being watched over and regimented everything, if she gets out of the house, it's going to be bedlam. You're talking parenting, though, Jimmy. I feel like parenting went out the window a long while before any of this shit fucking happened. She's going to be bedlam. You're talking parenting, though, Jimmy. I feel like parenting went out the window a long while before any of this shit fucking happened. She's just going to rebel like shit. Yeah. So she apparently she's at she goes to a mall in November and she early December and she's with a bunch of her friends at the mall and she ends up being arrested. For what? For shoplifting.
Starting point is 01:07:43 Of course. she ends up being arrested for what for shoplifting of course she uh she is cited for shoplifting a $34.99 uh marcosite ring you know the like purple whatever uh from our they were big in the 90s that marcosite shit uh from a kiosk at the mall in tampa so cart in the middle of the mall that's all it was with rings uh she said it was an accident yeah she was like what the fuck and walked away yeah there was an event uh the vendor at an adjoining kiosk there uh saw her do it and summon the mall security and so mall security had to go stop a group of teenage girls here and uh she was like oh what do you mean oh oh well i forgot oh wow yeah i guess i don't know you know i'll bring it right back and all that type of shit. She said, quote, the kiosk guy said, quote, both of them were trying on rings and she didn't take a couple off.
Starting point is 01:08:31 So apparently she was trying them on and taking them off and just leaving one on fucking kid shoplifting shit that kids do. Watch. That's how you do it. Yeah. So obviously here. So they said she walked off with the ring. so they said she walked off with the ring the vendor does decide to file a complaint against her
Starting point is 01:08:46 because he thinks she's lying about fucking doing it by accident and so Tampa police officer issued a summon the citation for shoplifting misdemeanor and she is cooperative with the whole thing and has no juvenile record or anything and so she ends up being released on her own recognizance
Starting point is 01:09:02 of you know being a millionaire you know and affording like a mother afford as many rings as she wants. She says it was a misunderstanding. Her agent says, quote, It was it was an innocent mistake on her part. She was shopping with friends and she was distracted. We're viewing it as a minor incident. That's good that you're viewing it as a minor incident, being that you make from her barbara perry silver age silver haired middle-aged white woman we got you covered so actually just man we said you don't have to be silver age silver haired
Starting point is 01:09:33 middle-aged white or a man to be a silver haired middle-aged white man very much like uh panhandle behavior and white trashery you don't have to be that any of those things nickery anything yeah you could be a 22 year old you know uh a black woman and you would be a silver-haired middle-aged white man. You're excusing this behavior under the guise of we'll take care of it. So the gravy train keeps coming to you. We've had the definition. We're going to handle this internally. Of course you are.
Starting point is 01:10:01 Of course you are. It's referred to the Florida State Attorney's Office. And basically, she can't be charged as an adult here. It's not a big deal. Her father said it was worth $15, even though it was $35. It was stupid. It was a mistake. Stefano said, everywhere we go in the world, she's always collecting the rings.
Starting point is 01:10:22 Which, by the way, I just said that, and you heard it in Italian. Everywhere we go in the world, she's always collecting the rings which by the way i i just said that and you heard it in italian everywhere we go in the world she's always collecting the rings he said that in there in the fucking that's like when you read the shwarma man and the be the original one and we said that guy is not american you could tell by his quote he's always collecting the always collecting the rings and this time she forgot to give the ring back, and they called the police. You know how it goes. He says, Jennifer is very sorry that it happened, but it was a teenager thing, you know?
Starting point is 01:10:52 I can't punish her for it. She didn't mean to do it. She's collecting the rings. I tell her, you get her the coins, you get her the rings. You jump onto the turtle. If you see a question mark, you would jump up. Bing. And maybe one time, maybe a coin come out. You hit it again, maybe more coin. Could question mark, you would jump up. Bing. And maybe one time, maybe a coin come out.
Starting point is 01:11:07 You hit it again, maybe more coin. Could be box, whole box of them. You might get 10 if you do it real fast. I think those are coins. And any mushroom that come out,
Starting point is 01:11:15 you eat of those too. They are coins. A ching, a ching, a ching and you keep doing. You never know, you know. It's Sonic the Hedgehog just running around picking up rings.
Starting point is 01:11:22 He's got rings. He's got rings. I made of coins. Or you do a lord of the rings reference that i'm incapable of doing because i don't know that either sonic's not italian so i just went with the closest thing i could come up with i can't give sonic that accent so that's a good point mario though prima perfect perfect oh he's collecting the rings, yeah, 93, like we said, quarterfinals in a bunch of the tournaments here. And Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, same as last year, quarterfinal, quarterfinal, quarterfinal. She goes there.
Starting point is 01:11:56 We told you about the first round loss in the U.S. Open, which is what everybody freaked out about. She earns $357,108 wow that year so not bad 17th overall for women earnings there uh 1994 so january 94 so she's in her own apartment here uh she is in a residential area it's north of tampa uh the other residents of this area are pete sampras yeah who was at the time a top male player in the world, probably. The whole thing, she talks later on, too. She says that she was just trying to decorate her apartment. That's why she was at the mall, and she had just purchased a vase for her apartment.
Starting point is 01:12:37 So she was just really focused on home interiors. And as she walked by the ring place, they said, oh, let's look at these. And then I just, you know, I'm so focused on what accent wall I'm going to use and what color it's going to be. And now I can match my fucking accessories to it. That Marcosite aside, you know, that goes 16, 16. So, yeah, she still has tendonitis in her elbow and she is just, you know, kind of not not not playing at this point. She says she's taking time away from tennis to rehab her arm and concentrate on school and having a normal social life. She tells reporters here, I'll tell you what, let's do it in their own words.
Starting point is 01:13:13 Let's get some 16-year-old insight on this whole thing here. She says in their own words, quote, I need a break from tennis. It's unfortunate that I had an injury, especially one that required such a long recuperation. break from tennis. It's unfortunate that I had an injury, especially one that required such a long recuperation, but I feel I've made the most of my break from the tour
Starting point is 01:13:28 and I've decided I want to concentrate on finishing my senior year. So, fine. That's good. That seems healthy. You want her to fucking finish school, I would think. Her agent from IMG,
Starting point is 01:13:40 by the way, here, Barbara Perry, she made sure to go, no, we will be making more money off this girl. She said, quote, this isn't a retirement like don't think that no uh we don't know the exact date she'll come back it depends on her workload but trust me we will shake her turn her upside down and shake the change from her pockets if we have to we'll get her out there come on back oil of let's go yeah that's right uh They expect her to return in February.
Starting point is 01:14:06 That was January here. There. Now, at school, she has a certain thing here. The Saddlebrook Academy, where she attended up until April, the guy who ran the place said that, quote, Jennifer liked to hang out with guys who were quote cool and quote with it by the way this guy is probably 80 years old not cool and not with it with it yeah and they put he put it in quotes too cool and with it like that's like a total like 1960 well like it's a beatnik or something hey it's real with it man you should hear his poems man they're amazing
Starting point is 01:14:41 he's real hip to it he's totally hit man you should hear what he says about eisenhower it's totally out there bro like what the fuck is going on here uh cool and with it so he says quote i had to throw eight of them out of school he threw eight guys out of school because jennifer liked them and because they were with it they were with it eight cool with it dudes who are too distracting for jennifer so that's part of the curriculum like you just bring your son here it's an excellent curriculum or we have great athletics but if that chick thinks he's cute if that chick thinks he's with it he's gotta fucking go so it's like the principal from ferris bueller's day children had to switch schools because she found them attractive because they were far out dude because they were too far out with it fucking cool man
Starting point is 01:15:30 fucking jesus christ i don't even know what to say about that these guys were just hip cats and too much for her principal's jealous as fuck what a cock blocker they kicked out of school because she thinks I'm cute. The tennis chick thinks I'm cute. How's that my fault? I'm 17 trying to get get laid by the hot chick. Should I be dorky? I don't understand.
Starting point is 01:15:52 Let me be cool and try to get laid, you dick. Jesus, man. The fuck is happening? So February comes around. And so this is when her agent said she's going to play. And she announces she'll take and she's going to take an extended leave from the women's tour to finish high school. Her father, again, everybody's OK. Keep the money coming.
Starting point is 01:16:13 No, no. She's still looking young. She's still looking young. He says, quote, she's not rebelling. That's what he said. He says, quote, she's attesting everybody, me, her mother, her friends. She wants to see how they react to her if she doesn't play a tennis. And she's testing herself, too.
Starting point is 01:16:28 The tennis, the money, the attention. It was like a merry-go-round that starts spinning really fast. You know, a spin, a spin, a spin. And he doesn't say that. And on, want to jump off, but you're caught on it so that you can't. Giuseppe what what's the definition of rebelling because you just said it he just yeah he said she's not rebelling she's rebelling she's just testing everybody me her mother her friends she wants to see how they
Starting point is 01:16:55 react if she doesn't play tennis which is what you do when you rebel what will they do if i don't do what they want me to do that's rebelling she's testing herself too that's a merry-go-round you're so caught up in the merry-go-round that you can't get off uh but you know she did uh she ends up dropping out of school in uh in march and saying fuck that never mind school change my mind yeah and again hard to concentrate when you're rich and uh moves into an apartment in boca gets her own place a little bit away from her parents uh there uh she uh uh she a lot of people start talking about now uh about you know younger players playing and such because it's this is because it's working out for her she's kind of well financially but she's kind of burned out in three years oh so i'm saying maybe this is a bad idea they're going yeah
Starting point is 01:17:41 they're kind of using her which isn't really fair either because she had a little injury and she kind of burned out a little. But they're saying like, well, that was that. That's, you know, she's like, and they're all going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Keep the keep the checks coming. So this one lady, Stephanie Tolleson, who's a player agent from the International Management Group, another agent, another silver haired, middle aged white woman, man. She says, quote, We all have a responsibility to create a healthy environment
Starting point is 01:18:08 in which players can perform to the best of their ability without sacrificing normal psychological or sociological growth. It is that responsibility that we believe is necessary to solving one of the key problems facing women's tennis today, that a child of 13 or 14 years has a physical ability to compete effectively on the women's today women's tennis today that a child of 13 or 14 years has a physical ability to compete effectively on the women's professional circuit uh with that ability comes interest also known as pressure from the media manufacturers agents and most importantly whether they realize it or
Starting point is 01:18:35 not from their parents well yeah we're going to take advantage of that and make money all of that was such a such a an obvious statement it's just common sense she stated this she's defending her her dirty shit it was the state of the union and also saying defending it but saying that you know it's a bad idea at the same time she's just a double talking terrible idea very agenty pay my mortgage yeah exactly but i did pay my mortgage this month uh one person who knows her said quote the chances of jennifer coming back are the greatest if she wants to come back for herself it could happen if she surrounds herself with people who are positive who can guide her and support her if she loses not tell her she's worthless stefano is in control that should tell you all you need to know i'm worried about her
Starting point is 01:19:18 if she doesn't come back what will she be doing this time next year she's pretty far gone probably being rich and enjoying life enjoying life but uh no uh so uh now she keeps practicing uh at this point her father is coaching her again through practicing and uh that's why they're saying you know uh the father's controlling everything uh another person that's close to the situation said quote he obviously wants her to play talking about stefano i don't think he knows what to do it frustrates him she looks like she wants to try to come back and then she goes off on a trip or something if you're going to be a professional there's some things you have to give up and sacrifice she's trying to kind of placate her father and act like yeah yeah i'm gonna come back all the agents all the people
Starting point is 01:20:04 want me to come back everybody needs money blah blah blah blah i get it but at the same time i'm going away with my friends this weekend too and it's some other time yeah i'll be back i'll be back yeah it's one of those things so march of 1994 uh here uh they that's so weird too because they have like this weird paparazzi thing like they talk to uh like the mall by her house they talked to this uh uh salesperson who said that she looked like she gained 20 pounds wow and uh and uh she looked quote bleary-eyed when she was in here and he refused to take her check what kind of what kind of tmz shit is this i mean like child yeah who let me let me judge physically a 16 year old uh and then tell
Starting point is 01:20:46 you about her financial like this is the other thing and we've said this many times we tend to be we've had fewer female uh athletes on the show obviously uh we tend to be easier on them because uh we're just because we're guys so we know what it's like to be a guy and to go you know whatever we can imagine what it's like to go through something as a guy but as a woman it's a different thing i don't i don't understand i can't imagine what it's like to be a teenage girl we're talking 14 15 16 where boy or girl you're worried about your your appearance and you're you're going through fucking puberty and things are changing and it's an awkward thing for everybody. And imagine while you're doing that, you're not only you're on television going through that and everyone is judging you that way.
Starting point is 01:21:35 And your appearance. Yeah, that's what I mean. Imagine people judging your looks and whether they want to fuck you or not and things like that as a 14-year-old girl. Grown men doing that, grown people in general, like it was marketing that sort of thing. And and people looking at you like that. I can't imagine what kind of pressure that's got to put on a teenage girl. She probably can't. It's insane.
Starting point is 01:22:00 She probably looks more mature and older being on a court with somebody else that's mature and old. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it probably makes, and it makes it way worse. It's really tough. Yeah, that's got to be so fucking hard to be that. I can't imagine being under that microscope.
Starting point is 01:22:15 You got a dude that works at the mall calling you fat and bleary-eyed. Calling you fat and bleary-eyed. Jesus Christ. A reporter caught up with her for Sports Illustrated and she wouldn't say much. She said, quote, I'm just not ready to open up. I'm just chilling, having fun. So she just wants to be left alone to be a teenager and piss some of her money away at this point.
Starting point is 01:22:34 So they said that her parents, her old teacher, one of her old teachers at the private school that she left said, quote, Jennifer doesn't want to be a role model. She's adopted Charles Barkley's philosophy philosophy which if you're too young to remember he did a commercial where he said i'm not a role model and everybody made a huge fucking deal out of it like he had to be and uh yeah so that was what they're saying here uh well before that commercial came out that's what it was was that if you walked up to some sort of athlete celebrity, they had to behave and be like this nice guy to every kid. And Charles Barkley just was the mouthpiece for every frustrated athlete that's like,
Starting point is 01:23:14 look, dude, that's not what I do. You raise your fucking kids. I don't care if you fucking... I don't raise your kids. I love that, too. It's beautiful. You shouldn't say, look at that guy and do what he does. Do what he does.
Starting point is 01:23:22 No, because Charles Barkley gets blowjobs by hookers at stop signs. And gets in bar fights and shit. You don't want to look at that guy and do what he does. Do what he does. No, because Charles Barkley gets blowjobs by hookers at stock signs. And gets in bar fights and shit. You don't want to be like that guy. And he's not embarrassed about it either. That's the other thing. He's like, look, I'm me, motherfucker. You want your kids to throw people through windows and get blowjobs at two in the morning from hookers, then I'm the guy to look at.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Otherwise, don't fucking blame me if your kids are shitty. It's not my fault so uh uh the the uh she ends up uh on march 29th she ends up in some sort of treatment center for a few days uh depression some sort of they don't that never comes out what it is it's just a treatment center they don't know if it's a substance abuse a depression or mental, or whatever the fuck it is. But by March 29, she's living back at her parents' house there. There's a women's tournament played on March 21, but she ignores everybody that tries to get a hold of her. It's right in her area. And people come into town.
Starting point is 01:24:21 People that are friends with her, players Pam Shriver and Tracy Austin, leave a message and ask her to dinner she never fucking even gets back to them uh steffi graff called and invited her to hit some balls with her in boca raton and just whatever and uh capriati said no so i mean it's crazy yeah it's uh the same week here uh uh the capriati held there was a party for one of her friends. It was a birthday party and she wouldn't leave her room. Like her mother had the party and she wouldn't fucking leave her room.
Starting point is 01:24:51 Like she's acting like, I don't even know. She's acting like she's removing herself from everybody because she's got mental health issues. That's what she's acting like. She said that her friends kept going to her room to visit her,
Starting point is 01:25:02 but eventually she just left the house while the party was going on. She didn't even want people to bother her. You never know. So everyone said they were a little bit taken aback by the way she looked, because she looked a lot different from the last time they saw her.
Starting point is 01:25:15 She put on a bunch of weight. She looks real pissy and sullen. She's got like a nose ring now. She's looking like a fucking 90s teenager. That's all. She looked like every kid that I went to high school with, probably all those girls maybe a growth spurt yeah nose ring and probably wearing doc martin's you know it's like that was what it was already
Starting point is 01:25:34 yeah she's probably a cool chick like a belly shirt with a flannel tighter on i would have liked in high school probably yeah so yeah totally so uh yeah but people were a little bit taken aback because she was miss if you look at her pictures like on all the sports things they tried to make her look like they tried to make her look like little nancy kerrigan yeah basically like little disney princess girl you know look at her isn't she perfect uh but instead uh she was more into uh she liked her favorite groups for uh nirvana and ice cubes and ice ice cubes ice cube i was like a dad i was i was looking at another sentence and i was how's your son he's doing great
Starting point is 01:26:11 he listens to a lot of music his favorite artist is ice cubes no the s was the start of another sentence i got it and then i said i'm talking to just sounded awesome it did sound awesome it sounded like when he put the in between the other thing. Into the thing. So she's in the cube and she's into Nirvana. One of her friends, this is fucking amazing. One of her friends here said her old friends just don't get her now. They said this is amazing. It's a guy named Kevin Spencer who is one of her roommates and he's a tennis instructor at some Florida college.
Starting point is 01:26:44 He said, quote, they don't know who Jen is. They don't hang out with her. They don't listen to Ice Cube. They don't know who Jen is. They don't listen to Ice Cube. They can't possibly understand a teenage rich white girl unless they listen to Ice Cube. Obviously. They're clearly not with it.
Starting point is 01:27:00 Yeah. Unless they really listen to the lyrics in in ghetto bird and you'll understand ice cube that's really the one that the fuck are you talking about it's hilarious they don't what they don't understand is that jen's fucking angry she's an angry teenager she listens to no vaseline over and over again because she feels like people are sucking right they're taking her money same way she's furious yeah and she hates the whole the whole operation and that's why she likes nirvana because they say fuck everybody yeah that's how she feels fuck you all she just her parents are eating dinner and they're like jen come out and she's she's like i ain't going out like kutakinte fuck ren fuck him that's right uh i got some shit to say about easy eat too i'll tell you about that shit
Starting point is 01:27:45 that is a you have to know the song to understand what i'm talking about so mom dad's dick smells like mom's shit yeah that's perfect unbelievable stefano's dick smelling like mom's shit so April of 1994 here, she starts, she again moves out of her house, out of her parents' house. She takes up, gets another residence of her own in Boca. It's with her old friend here, a girl named Missy, who was attending college around there. They found an apartment, and apparently it was a little bit too small for capriati so she ends up moving finding another place and moves in with a couple of with uh three dudes three dude roommates including uh she brings her one friend and then her friend's boyfriend and then some other
Starting point is 01:28:38 guy lives there too uh yeah so uh she uh she talks to her agency says she's interested in playing tennis again her her agents all excited uh saying she's she's playing four or five times a week at the public park she's doing great she says quote practices were getting longer and more intense the way she was drilling the ball i went through 24 sets of strings she was really hungry and wanted to come back so apparently she's beaten the shit out of the ball uh she uh another one of her friends said that uh she's everybody's trying to get her into tennis she says quote one of her friends was hitting with her one of her friends was lifting with her i was running with her we wanted to provide a good atmosphere for her uh
Starting point is 01:29:20 but he then says quote we weren't on the best of terms in a way there was something really not white right with her relationships with people. She wasn't the same person. That was her friend Missy that she moved in with. So this all kind of culminates in May, May 13th, 1994. It's a Friday night. It's her and a couple of her friends joined by three dudes and they're hanging out in Coral Gables. They end up partying, kind of partying it up
Starting point is 01:29:46 friday night by saturday morning caprioti checks into a motel and it's a shit fifty dollar a night motel and she's staying in some dumpy fucking place very weird here uh she is when she checks in she's accompanied by a blonde young man named who i think is pretty with it yeah uh named nathan wilson okay who is uh apparently cool and with it nate is down as fuck nate is pretty with it so uh that uh the night before capriati showed up at a party at her friend's parents house in south miami and according to a couple of people at the party uh capriati knew uh this lucy girl that she hung out with and somebody else she knew them uh them this lucy girl introduces uh her to uh to this other guy not this nathan wilson another dude uh we'll talk about him his name
Starting point is 01:30:38 is mark black he's 19 and he sounds like he's a problem it sounds like a problem right he sounds like he's a problem. It sounds like a problem, right? He sounds like the dude that drives the old Mark Black. Yeah. He's a lifted blazer and he's Becky's boyfriend and Roseanne. Yeah, he's a piece of shit.
Starting point is 01:30:52 You know what I mean? He's a dickhead. He's a dick. He just beeps when he comes to pick her up. He doesn't even come to the door. He's fucking he just fucking beeps
Starting point is 01:31:00 and yells, come on! Hurry up already! And he shouts that over Metallica's black everybody's waiting get in jen wherever i may rose so yeah that's what's going on here uh so uh now he just she she just introduces this mark to her as uh as jen let's say this is jen doesn't say it's jen for capriati this is nothing this is a very rich girl this is my friend jen some's it this is jen doesn't say it's jen for capriati this is nothing this is a very rich
Starting point is 01:31:25 girl this is my friend jen some other chick at the party i mean you don't think twice about it uh so this other guy the the wilson the nathan wilson said he knew capriati from parties he would go to and uh was friendly with kind of the same crowds a bunch of like teenage kids that party all the time i don't know who these kids are she's hanging out with the three years and four years older than her okay well two years at this point that's so yeah she's like 17 uh the one guy says quote uh she came down two or three times before this she came down three weeks ago and we stayed at a hotel on the beach me jennifer and lucy she has a bank card and she lent it to me sometimes and asked me to get stuff so she would also kind of just say here
Starting point is 01:32:04 take my card and go do this shit so uh she ends up meeting mark black at that party like i said uh she checked in with her own name to the hotel she used her credit card uh you know all that sort of shit here so uh partying goes on uh through the weekend she's go she's going to parties they're all going to parties and then continuing the party back at this motel and then going to more parties and then coming back to the bar lord it's just this uh all consuming going thing here now saturday night all the girls are dressed up because it was prom night at the local high school remember these girls are all like seniors in high school so it's prom night so they're all dressed up but nobody ever goes to the dance uh they they kind of go around picking other kids up from parties from random parties and end up at
Starting point is 01:32:51 that girl lucy's house uh they were they're going to have a post-prom party now lucy's parents were not expected to be home and apparently were home uh this causes what is called uh by another kid as quote uh caused, an ugly scene. Yeah. And everyone was thrown out of the house by the parents, except for Lucy, who had to stay because she was grounded. Okay. So that's how that went. So, yes, Saturday was this Mark Black guy's birthday.
Starting point is 01:33:17 And that's where he went. That's why he was out and about. And he went to visit Lucy and Capriotti at Lucy's house. And that's when they were all partying. And then Lucy's parents came home, grounded the daughter. Capriotti and Black took off and left her behind. Now, Black says to her, quote, Jennifer said it's your birthday and we can party your birthday in a hotel. And so she said, quote, I'm not going to say no.
Starting point is 01:33:43 Would you say no? Maybe. So, yeah, I'm not going to say no. Would you say no? Maybe. So, yeah, this is the Gables Inn. They check into room 109 at 123 a.m. Sunday. They get this other room in another place here. It's a $50 a night room, by the way. She uses her Visa card to check in. It's basically not in the greatest neighborhood as most $50 a
Starting point is 01:34:06 night motels are. It's a piece of shit. There's not a lot of $50 a night motels in the middle of Beverly Hills. It's not like, you know, Rodeo, you go past this there and it's that little shithole right past location, location, location. It's not how that works. Yeah. So, uh, they say it's pretty close to, uh, uh, a big, uh, you know, kind of a big drug
Starting point is 01:34:22 area in Miami. It's not a great area here. Uh, but, uh, black says that he and Capriotti talk till dawn. a big drug area in Miami. It's not a great area here. But Black says that he and Capriotti talked till dawn. Now, by Sunday morning here, they talked till dawn. They also drank beer, smoked weed, did all that shit. Everybody said that while everybody else fell asleep, Black and Capriotti stayed up all night talking. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:34:42 Exactly. That's never good. No. About 11 in the morning that morning, Lucy shows up and meets them at a Denny's close by. Okay. So they stop at Denny's, and they're all eating at Denny's there. Mark Black is there, and Jennifer's into him. Right. There, they're all sitting there.
Starting point is 01:35:02 Lucy's there. All these people are here they're uh uh black ass capriati at this point because she's like a 17 year old girl how can you afford to because she said she'd pick up the bill for breakfast and he goes how do you how would you have all this money to do yeah you're like renting hotel rooms you're like sending people out with your bank card you're betting denny's like teenage kids just don't have that. I remember when I was 16, if someone had a bank card, it was like, holy shit, you have an ATM card. Like, what the fuck, man? And then like if they actually have money in there, like they can actually buy things.
Starting point is 01:35:34 You'd be like, are you kidding me? Swipe it and it works. Holy fuck, man. Like your parents just didn't give you that and say, like, in case we die, use this to buy our headstone. Like, wow. Okay. So, yeah. like in case we die use this to buy our headstone like wow okay so uh yeah and she uh they didn't uh she didn't want to answer and she just laughed and said i won the lottery and joked like she
Starting point is 01:35:51 was joking around and then lucy next to her blurts out she's jennifer capriotti yeah which the guy didn't even know that at that point so he yelled oh my god you're fucking really famous i know who you are and i don't give a shit about anything i'm mark black the nihilistic 19 year old 90s teenager i don't care i care about nothing my idol is puck from the real world very little going for me uh i just ate my my omelet with my fingers yeah you get what i'm saying here i don't know how to use silverware apparently capriotti got super pissed uh stopped smiling yeah lucy annett black there she said she uh uh smacked black in the arm like you know don't say that like like he called like he just said aren't you a fucking pudgy bitch or something like stop that and lucy then said oh she hates that like she
Starting point is 01:36:42 hates if you know basically uh so at one point later on when they were talking he says that she told him why she got tired of the game she said uh he said quote she explained to me she loves tennis the happiest moments of her life are when she's playing but as soon as it got to be number one number one number one it was too stressful they were running her life her dad her coaches she didn't make money just for herself. A lot of people were depending on her. Yeah, there's a lot of fucking pressure. It's too much pressure for a 16-year-old. It's way too much here.
Starting point is 01:37:12 So the problem is they all go back to that hotel that they were hanging out at and that they have their room, room 109 at the Gables Inn Motel. And it's at this point where Lucy is considered a runaway by her parents because she's fucking grounded she's a child she's 17 do that uh so uh uh yeah and a bunch of people had come here the word got out about the party so there's about you know 20 people there uh all these other people there's a guy with the last name of wineland that's there. We'll talk about him in a second. Black, Wilson, they're all there. All the crew is here. And so this Wineland, by the way, is not a good guy.
Starting point is 01:37:51 He's been convicted of a drug charge in Connecticut, is on probation. So he had been kicked out of the Wilson guy's house by the Wilson guy's mother. And Wilson took off with him to that dude Nathan Wilson. So, anyway, what ends up happening is over the course of Sunday night, Wilson says he saw
Starting point is 01:38:15 Capriotti use both crack and heroin. Oh, Jesus. He says, quote, I did see her smoking crack, and I did see her snort heroin. How did she get here? That's what he tells Sports Illustrated. Now, this is a time where a lot of kids were snorting heroin.
Starting point is 01:38:37 I knew a ton of kids in New York that were snorting heroin. This is a world-class athlete smoking crack. Smoking crack is a little much here. He says, quote, she did it two times in the hotel i think she was just experimenting with it but crack it seems like every it seems every time i saw her she just wanted it was crazy we must have spent at least a thousand dollars the whole weekend like every hour she's sent me back out uh back for two hundred dollars coke goes quick you know so yeah that's what he. He was the one being sent out with her bank card
Starting point is 01:39:07 to go get more all the time here. So, this has gotten fucking whatever. A little off. It's hairy. Now, the black guy, though, he says,
Starting point is 01:39:18 he's not a black guy. His name is black. He says Capriotti was smoking weed and drinking and popping anti-anxiety pills uh is what he was doing he says uh say if you say it takes you eight beers to get drunk that's a you got a good tolerance yeah if i drank eight beers i'd be sleeping i don't drink i mean i can drink eight beers yeah yeah you'll be drinking you'll be drunk yeah you'll be noticeably drunk probably uh yeah he says uh
Starting point is 01:39:45 with uh with these it takes three beers if you take the pills too uh he says emphatically quote jennifer did not smoke crack and she did not smoke heroin well he said she snorted heroin i was pretty much with her the entire time what i saw was an 18 year old girl living a normal life getting drunk with a lot of people celebrating a birthday party. That's all. So Black says that now there's two other Wilson and the Wineland guy both say that they were used to go get drugs and she was smoking crack and all this type of shit. Everybody else in her camp says that they're making this up for tabloids and all that sort of thing. Wineland said of her, quote, I think drugs are her main priority. that sort of thing uh wineland said of her quote i think drugs are her main priority so uh at some point in the evening capriati gave wineland the keys to her miata which sounds like exactly what
Starting point is 01:40:31 she would drive around florida and her bank card so she could buy so he could buy beer and cigarettes but when wineland returned uh this black guy black says quote you could tell he'd smoke crack his lips were all black he said i need more money and he went uh and he went right at jennifer saying i'll let you try it he was tempting her but she turned but she turned it down because of me so he's saying she wanted to smoke crack but i wouldn't fucking let her it looked attractive to her what a hero so uh yeah so sunday night the problem is uh uh this lucy's stepfather comes searching for her uh after the whole thing about the uh uh hearing about the hotel when he arrives there's only a few kids there uh and uh
Starting point is 01:41:15 his daughter was out with one of the boys still he goes into the room and he says he uh he says quote capriati was on the bed dazed blo, bloated, whacked out on something. Oh my God. Why is everyone commenting on her fucking weight, man? Everybody wants to call her a fatso. Why are all these grown people commenting on a fucking teenage girl's weight? I don't understand why they're so
Starting point is 01:41:37 obsessed with this shit. They have to throw it in. Is it that much weight that it's got to be a commentable? No, it's like, it doesn't matter. She didn't gain 300 pounds. That's a good point. She didn't turn like, it wasn't like Nutty Professor. Right. She blew up like a fucking balloon.
Starting point is 01:41:52 If she gained it, she can lose it. She's a child. It's insane. She's an athlete who hasn't been going. Yeah, but why are you even mentioning it? Everybody, bleary-eyed, fine, whacked out on drugs, whatever. Bloated? Is that needed? even mentioning it everybody bleary-eyed fine whacked out on drugs whatever bloated is that needed so and bloated isn't even a description of like fat that just means like you know what i
Starting point is 01:42:11 mean she's definitely she's out of shape because she's bloated bloated you know wink wink so cabriolet was on the bed days bloated whacked out on something he said quote the room was a total mess with beer cans and trash and food everywhere uh and so uh the his the stepdaughter gets home uh gets back to the room they argue for a while but eventually this chick leaves uh uh so uh what ends up happening though that was sunday night she ends up escaping through a window yeah and finally the the family calls the police because she escaped through a window and they say she's probably at that fucking hotel again so monday morning uh the family calls the police again and lucy's parents called the uh calls a friend on the narcotics squad to come check out the room based on what they said capriati looked like so uh in response two sets of officers go for go to the hotel now uh they knock on the door
Starting point is 01:43:07 capriotti lets them in uh she was registered in there and everything uh she lets them search her room for some fucking reason rather than just going i don't know you fuck off i'm capri i'm famous talk to my lawyer uh she says sure they find in her duffel bag along with all of her shit they find a bag of weed in there with her stuff so uh yes they end up uh arresting her for the weed there uh mug shots not a good one no they've described it here bad apparently she's wearing the same clothes for like three days and she's been up partying and all that so poor kid you don't want to fucking you don't want the world to see that shit on you there. So, yeah, what ends up happening before that, the party broke up.
Starting point is 01:43:53 We'll go back to a couple of minutes before the cops came. The party broke up. Black and Capriotti were alone about 10 a.m. At that point, a few other people returned, Wilson, Wineland and some other guy. They returned to the hotel. They wake Capriotti and Black up, and they ask to borrow Capriotti's car again. Wineland said Wilson said she gave him the keys and sent him out for drugs. This is what they're saying. This was one of the drug runs through all this.
Starting point is 01:44:17 Meanwhile, the cops are coming. They get there. Black and Capriotti were still there. They searched her shit, find her weed. Black said, said quote she started crying she said i don't want this attention let me call my lawyer so she realized now oh shit this is going to be in the paper i'm going to be in trouble so uh now what ends up happening is the police are there and then the other three come back with her car and pull in and there are the
Starting point is 01:44:40 cops so according to the police the wineland guy got out of the car how stupid is this guy i don't know if he didn't see the cops if he's that fucked up he got out of the car holding a crack pipe okay now hey do you guys know what this is what who fucking i just found this on the road and i wondered if holding it in his hand like he had a beer in his hand like this guy just hangs out i see him on the couch just crack pipe in his hand with a koozie around it it's my crack koozie i keep it going even from burning my fingers so he holds the crack pipe in his hand apparently he then sees the cops and tries to shove the crack pipe down his pants which looks even fucking worse uh uh so unbelievable and then later on so they
Starting point is 01:45:27 arrest him they take the wilson and they take this branigan girl into the into uh into the uh into the possession of the police possession here at custody is the word i'm looking for possession i'm like that's not the right word and then when they searched them they find the girl in the group was hiding heroin in her pants. Oh, my God. So there is crack and heroin in here. And they used her car to go get.
Starting point is 01:45:52 So these stories are not. They don't have money. No. She has money to crack and arrow like where. So it's that. It's one of those things here. So, yeah, they pull. By the way, the Miata was a tournament prize.
Starting point is 01:46:03 She won the. She won the Miata convertible. So, yeah, they pulled, by the way, the Miata was a tournament prize. She won the Miata convertible. So, yeah. And by the way, the police described this Thomas Weiland as a, quote, a drifter from New Milford, Connecticut, which is awesome. A drifter from New Milford, Connecticut with a criminal record, which sounds like the beginning of like a 50s movie with some dude in a leather jacket. So, yeah. So he, Jesus christ the they all go in here there's the uh the oh by the way the crack pipe is not empty the crack pipe is filled
Starting point is 01:46:34 with crack like he filled it up in the car and was about to fucking wow torque it on it torque on it so yeah he's got a crack pipe full of crack, and she ends up having two packets of heroin concealed in her crotch, the friend here. So look how they both went for their pants. So, yeah, this Capriotti, as they get into it, they're like, okay, she's hanging around. There's a lot of hard drugs. Three days of straight partying and all this shit. This is more than 17-year-old hijinks now. Now, this is their.
Starting point is 01:47:06 Not wonderful here. The Wineland guy was charged with possessing crack cocaine and drug paraphernalia held on $6,000 bond. The girl was held for her two heroines of two packets of heroin here. So there's all of that. The Wineland guy told a tabloid, quote, she smoked crack for a couple hours and then we stopped. We started smoking reefers. She was also eating painkillers and drinking. So, yeah, that was that.
Starting point is 01:47:31 According to his lawyer, the drifter here said that he just insists that she kept giving him the car and the card saying go get more and that she's also, quote, whacked out on heroin. So there's that. Whacked out. This is a he's real with it. There's quote whacked out on heroin so there's that whacked out this is a he's real with it there's a whacked out guy who says that that's what i mean they all say that uh uh obviously her crew says it's just for tabloids and the whacked out on heroin thing is ridiculous uh uh the uh two and they said he changed his story too because he told one tabloid that he only smoked crack with her and then he told the one tabloid that he only smoked crack with her. And then he told the other tabloid that he did crack and heroin with her.
Starting point is 01:48:09 So obviously he's lying. Got to do that. Because, you know, I mean, to me, crack is consistent. Yeah, it was just crack. I don't fucking know. So she the Nathan Wilson guy insists that Capriati didn't use heavy drugs, only weed. She said she didn't give him any money for drugs. She gave him cigarette and food money, and that was it.
Starting point is 01:48:30 But everybody, the police said that she was definitely under some kind of influence there. They couldn't figure it out. Now, silver-haired, middle-aged white man coming up, alert here. One of the agents or her lawyer said about this whole thing, quote, the accusations about heroin have come from a gentleman named Tom Wineland. I'm almost hesitant to call him a gentleman. That's very silver-haired there.
Starting point is 01:48:53 He says, quote, Tom is getting paid good money to tell that juice. What is this guy from the 30s? Tom is getting paid good money to tell that juice, I tell you. He's telling all the rag sheets. He is spreading rumors it was him solely doing heroin he's the only heroin user in the house heroin addict here and he's got a juicy ass story oh except for the chick with two packets down her crotch she's
Starting point is 01:49:15 probably did it too so uh yeah her he's saying that uh that uh and then he also says that these are ridiculous allegations quote coming from a crackhead. He said, examine the source and decide whether or not you think it's credible. Who are you going to believe? A nice, she's 13 years old and the cover of Sports Illustrated are a crackhead. The word crackhead definitely ruins all credibility. It just does. It takes everything.
Starting point is 01:49:41 That's what I mean. Whenever fucking, like I saw Chris Rock, Bobby Brown got mad at Chris Rock on Twitter for making a Whitney Houston joke. And you just want to go, you're a fucking crackhead. Shut up. You might be right. But guess what? Anything you say doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:49:56 You know why? Fucking crackhead. Anything you say, you're actually helping lose your own argument. You're taking credibility away from whatever you say because you're a crackhead. If someone says, I heard the sun's going to come up tomorrow. And you go, where'd you hear that? A crackhead told me. You'd go, I don't know about that then.
Starting point is 01:50:13 Might not happen. Not sure it's going to happen. Why? Because a crackhead told you. Exactly. So, yeah. So she gets arrested. Her father again says, quote, it's a teenager thing.
Starting point is 01:50:23 That's what he says about it again. Now, everybody else, her friends say that she's had a drug problem for at least a year. She kind of comes in, hangs out with the group and duds drugs and then goes back to her life. And she's trying to compartmentalize. Within hours of her arrest, Prince, the manufacturer of rackets and deodora an italian clothing firm both cut her as both cut their sponsorships for within hours oh no i mean she was still fucking getting processed and she was losing sponsors like that and her agents were saying we were talking to oil of la this week and we're trying to we're trying to smooth this out basically iron it all out and
Starting point is 01:51:02 we're gonna get those two back yeah two after the arrest, she enters the addiction treatment center of Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach and does 28 days in a rehab facility here. Yeah. This might have been a little more than just a little weed and a little bit of booze. Or maybe it was a lot of booze and a lot of bit of something, and she couldn't handle it. Or maybe she's trying to get out in front of a scandal and just saying, look, look i i did my time in there i don't have a problem so if i go do this it'll be fine all and and back then too in the 90s rehab was the magic elixir you could say you could kill 30 people and be like i was on drugs and now i'm going to rehab and people be like i think he's gonna make it i think he's better now and rehab was like this magic your fix you as a
Starting point is 01:51:43 person thing like any celebrity no matter how awful they did anything wrap their car in a tree all this shit oh they're in rehab now okay it's fine so uh yeah the fucking everybody is crazy about this whole thing and an old teacher says quote all of this has very little to do with jennifer it has to do with how we position young athletes in our society and what we overlook there is money changing hands, which is true. I don't think children should be allowed to play for professional tennis before the age of 18. There ought to be child labor laws to prevent it. Okay. Now that Andrea Yeager, who's one of the people that they brought up as the reason not to let children play tennis, she says, quote, I think a lot of this stems from not being able to do what she really
Starting point is 01:52:26 wanted to do while she was young. But in one sense, this could be the best thing that ever happened to her. Maybe this is a wake up call, not just to Jennifer, but to everybody. And another young tennis player said, quote, just four years ago, she had such unbridled joy and enthusiasm in her game and her face. She was just such a great story such a happy kid it's painful to look back at that all today uh yeah so she's goes to rehab there uh the uh the for the international tennis federation forms a special commission this week to consider raising
Starting point is 01:52:58 the minimum age on women's tour from 14 to 16 like maybe we shouldn't let kids this young fucking play we've made this kid do heroin yeah with this is not great here so i yeah this uh she says about this whole thing she says it all started with her first round u.s open elimination she said she contemplated suicide everything over this she says told the new york times quote mentally i just lost it i really was not happy with myself my tennis my life my parents my coaches my friends when i looked in the mirror i actually saw this distorted image i was so ugly and fat i just wanted to kill myself really well gee if everyone who ever fucking caesar's calling her fat and bloated in the fucking newspaper how do you not feel like that kids who have every bit
Starting point is 01:53:42 of support in the world and and no one calls them fat feel like that you know i mean there's fucking eating disorders that are such a huge deal yeah with people who are not even being fucking you know under a microscope on a national and international level and being called fat by fucking reporters and dickheads who work in a kiosk at the mall terrible word to call any child fucking horrible man that's got to be the worst thing to say to a girl that's still it's not becoming a woman like not even knows who she is yet not great she said i mean it's just horrible man um and john mackinrow speaks up now the tennis great john mackinrow he says quote you
Starting point is 01:54:21 should look at what what the parents do for their children. It's very unhealthy for their long-term career to put them out there so early when they don't know what $5 is, let alone $1 million. Sponsors and companies, just so they can help themselves, offer these little teenagers multi-million dollar contracts, and they accept it, but they don't understand the ramifications. Yeah. With Johnny Mac, she's super healthy. Her dad said so. It's fine. She's great. Didn't youifications yeah yeah johnny max she's super healthy her dad said so it's fine she's great didn't you hear him he said she's a healthy
Starting point is 01:54:49 so uh uh yeah uh capriati uh uh said her one of her old coaches uh talked about her here and uh he says how many around her just looked at her as a player it was her only identity and when her career stalled a little uh she said he said he could see all the network around her just looked at her as a player. It was her only identity. And when her career stalled a little, he said he could see all the network around her just dissolve. He said everybody wanted to take credit when things were going well. When she had problems, people scattered. And I say we coaches, parents, management groups, when I met her, she was the easiest, happiest kid I've ever known. She was carefree. After being on the tour for three years, I could see a change.
Starting point is 01:55:29 So she gets out of rehab here. And I mean, what the fuck, man? She has to start. She's lost sponsors. Her career, she hasn't done anything in a while. Squandered. Squandered. But she's also like 18.
Starting point is 01:55:43 So I mean, most people haven't started shit by the time they're 18 and she's like had this whole she's all washed up already can you imagine that she doesn't even i don't know i can barely remember when i was 18 and imagine if you were just washed up and done from then on i was so useless at 18 useless so i was washed up from nothing he's a washed up masturbator i tell you he's all washed up at he's been doing it for a few years now and he's just he's plum tapped me and jennifer had the same elbow problem yeah she had millions of dollars yeah i didn't get mine fixed i had ruined socks mine's still yeah and a sore elbow and it's still sore so she doesn't know what to do at this
Starting point is 01:56:23 point she goes back with her parents and and doesn't know what to do at this point she goes back with her parents and and doesn't know what to do and she's just uh she's wandering and her parents you know they're always setting her up with these coaches and with these people and finally they feel like okay she needs more than just physical guidance of how to hit a tennis ball she might need some something some uh motivation some emotional something and they call in one very special person who can do it and uh they come over one day and it's my grandma with her own special special motivation it's a good person that she needs it's perfect and she says ma ma how is it you come to arrive here?
Starting point is 01:57:05 My wife. My Stefano. What are you doing? Where are you from? My kikatsafai. You bring the girl. My yo. My yo go to your room.
Starting point is 01:57:11 No. Yes. Get the hell out of here. I got to. She's taking her shoe off. She's serious. She's serious. Jennifer, run.
Starting point is 01:57:18 Jennifer, I've been there. Run. My yo get the hell out of here. My yo grounded. You grounded. My yo go. My what the hell is wrong? Stefano, I smack you too. What the hell is wrong with. Ma, you're grounded. You're grounded. Ma, you go. Ma, what the hell is wrong? Stefano, I smack you too.
Starting point is 01:57:26 What the hell is wrong with you? Grandma, calm down. Grandma. Ma, no. Ma, Jimmy. Ma, Jimmy. Ma, let me tell you something. Ma, this girl, she's a nice girl.
Starting point is 01:57:34 She come. She play. I don't know what sport. Hit with the ball thing. I don't know what the game. It doesn't matter. She have money. She go out.
Starting point is 01:57:42 She smoke this. She smoke that. She hang out with these boys. They're just because they are with it? No. No. Stefano, I'm very disappointed in you. You do this to my girl.
Starting point is 01:57:51 I have to go. I'm too upset. I'm too... She starts crying and poof. In a poof of marinara sauce and ass whoopings, she's gone. Grandma came in very upset. Yeah. Smacking her.
Starting point is 01:58:04 Smacking people. Did she smack her into shape? Oh, she smacked Jennifer like three times. That was her. Yeah, I've seen her operate with my aunt, who was a teenage girl. And that was pretty much what she'd do. She'd yell at her, smack a few times, tell her she's grounded, send her somewhere, yell at other people who had nothing to do with the shit.
Starting point is 01:58:19 That was my grandmother getting it on there. And I had to help. I had to jump in for Jennifer. I've been there. So I was like, look, Jennifer, just run run this is not going to get better for you so uh september of 1994 they the capriates as a family unit moved to rancho mirage california to try to rebuild start over yeah career lives everything uh she said quote i felt like nobody liked me as a person what capriati said i felt like my parents and everybody else just thought that tennis was the way to make to make it in life.
Starting point is 01:58:50 They thought it was good, but I knew I thought no one knew or wanted to know the person who was left behind my tennis life. So, yeah, she's she's 20. She's fucking 20, man. She's I mean, what the fuck? What do you do here? And this is when she goes into a real dark time and later on she talks about this was her worst uh her worst mental period she starts talking about after 91 she started crying after big losses she'd cry incessantly she couldn't get
Starting point is 01:59:16 it out of her head she said quote i started out okay but at the end of the match i couldn't wait to get off the court totally mentally i just lost it and obviously it goes deeper than just one match i was really not happy with myself or anything else uh and that's when she was talking about you know she again she's saying she felt ugly and fat and she wanted to kill herself she said quote i know suicide is not the answer i only have one go at this even if it's torturous you have to stick it out maybe this is all a blessing i'm still young i still have time to figure all this out. She says, quote, I have a choice.
Starting point is 01:59:48 And am I going to let this defeat me and make me not want to be here? Or am I going to do something to not let this break down and maybe help other people? That's the mission I'm on now, to find happiness and positiveness in the future. So that's good, because a lot of people going through this dark type of period wouldn't have that kind of grasp on it. I'm very well aware. And that's a lot of it also to the fact that she can get help. Yeah. And she's had help and she has money and can go seek out help.
Starting point is 02:00:14 That's the difference between me and her in that situation where I didn't have that. A lot of 18-year-old girls. You end up doing some dumb shit. Exactly. And that's what a lot of people do. So, yeah, I mean, it can happen to anybody. And she doesn't play in 94 at all. 95, she doesn't play in any of the majors.
Starting point is 02:00:30 She doesn't do anything. 95, her parents divorce. No. Hey, the money's trying to slow down. All of a sudden, Stefano's not looking so hot there as a father figure. So 1996, she comes back, mildly at first, kind of gets her feet wet. She plays in the French Open and plays in the U.S. Open and is bounced in the first round in both of them. 96, she finishes the year ranked 24th just by her name kind of thing.
Starting point is 02:01:01 97 comes around, same thing. This time she does the Australian Openian open in the u.s open and is bounced in the first round in both of them so not wonderful uh at all uh now june 19th 1997 she goes to watch her brother steven compete in the semi-finals of the u.s tennis association's florida junior championships oh this poor he's a pawn too. They got the little guy in it too. Yep. This is after she hurt her ankle and she didn't said that she wasn't going to play
Starting point is 02:01:30 in Wimbledon because of that. She watched, she sat and watched her brother compete. And basically everybody there was just like, which one's Jennifer Capriati's brother? Like it was like Jennifer Capriati's brother's in this tournament. Otherwise who cares about a college tennis tournament, really? And Jennifer said, quote, no one ever expected him to follow in my footsteps.
Starting point is 02:01:52 Steven is definitely his own person and does things at his own pace. She says that there might be a few advantages to being in her shadow. She says, quote, my father can learn from the mistakes I made and make my brother play perfect tennis. She didn't talk about life. She talked about making him play perfect tennis. She made it about tennis. He does end up losing in the semifinals, and he goes to the parking lot and doesn't want to talk to any people are trying to interview him. He's a college tennis player, and she was fucking kind of you could tell by the way she said she smugly enjoyed this.
Starting point is 02:02:23 She said, quote, I don't think he's ever been interviewed by anyone. Well, at least not about himself. Now they want to talk to him about him for once. For once. She made $196,806 in 96 and 97 combined. Finishes 97, number 66th. Is 66th in the world. 1998, she gets to the second round in wimbledon gets bounced out of
Starting point is 02:02:48 the u.s open drops out of the top 200 at one point finally but rallies uh winsome at the end of the year and ends up being ranked 101 at the end of the year but this is first time she's been ranked out of the top 100 ever yeah you know since the first week she was playing tennis she makes 66 573 dollars uh which is like a low-paid electrician yeah to be in the almost top 100 in the world that's 126th for money uh 1999 she goes and wins some shit here now she starts doing some shit she wins her first tournament in six years in Strasbourg, France. Wins that one on May 17, 1999. Wins another in November of 1999 in Quebec. And regains position in the top 20.
Starting point is 02:03:35 And finally here. Yeah, it's amazing. She goes second round in Australian Open, fourth round in French Open, fourth round in U.S. Open, and second round in Wimbledon that year. Finishes the year at number 23. Makes $243,937. Now you're talking. Now we're talking.
Starting point is 02:03:52 In 2000, she plays in the Fed Cup Finals again, and they win again. They beat Spain again that year. Last she played in that was 91 when they beat Spain there. She plays a tournament in Luxembourg, wins that. So she's doing very well here for a comeback. I mean, for 2000, she goes and she makes it to the semifinals in the Australian Open, fourth round of Wimbledon, U.S. Open, finishes the year ranked number 14th, $488,861. 2001 in here, we'll buzz through this real fucking quick here uh she ends up winning the australian open awesome which is a huge fucking deal and this is like the
Starting point is 02:04:34 this is the big deal uh she beats monica sellis in the semi-finals she beat the defending champion who beat her the year before lindsey davenport And then in the final, she beats Martina Hingis, who's a three-time champion there. So, yeah, this is, she kicks, she beats like every demon that's plagued her. She might as well have beaten Kraken Heroin and that fucking one dude, and it would have been fine here.
Starting point is 02:04:59 So after the match, she was like, it looked like a 12- old won a tournament basically she was jumping around uh running around uncontrollably she was having a good time uh she told them afterward quote if you believe dreams do come true i can't believe this is happening uh she was just she said it's amazing she was just uh blown away by it she couldn't do anything grace too really grace too this is it that was a huge cut she came back to be the best again right i mean to be a champion again uh she uh uh yeah she said uh she told him quote the path i did take for a brief period of my life was not of reckless drug use and
Starting point is 02:05:38 hurting others yes i made mistakes by rebelling by acting out in confused ways but it was all due to the fact that i was very young and experiencing my adolescence. Most of you know how hard that can be. When you do it in front of the world, it's even harder. Yeah, I would fucking say so. At this point here, she's dating somebody. She's dating a player named Xavier Malice, and her father is coaching her again, even though they didn't talk for five years.
Starting point is 02:06:04 Now her father's coaching her again. She said, didn't talk for five years. Now her father is coaching her again. She said, quote, he's been a tremendous force in my game. I have so much confidence in him. He has confidence in me. He's the best coach I've ever had. So they've gone back to just sweep it right under the rug here. So, yeah, people were going nuts for her, man. She said, quote, I've stopped thinking about what the world is going to think of me.
Starting point is 02:06:24 Because they said, are you okay with your image and shit like that now and she says i don't care what i look like remember all that crack i don't give a shit i smoke yeah crack will do that to you so in 2001 uh she wins two grand slam fucking titles in 2001 which is goddamn amazing uh not too shabby she wins the french French Open and the Australian Open in 2001. Finishes number two in the world. Unbelievable. And also makes $2,268,624. How about that for the top 1% having all of it?
Starting point is 02:06:56 Yeah, which is second in the world. Right. Second in the world has $2 million. Number 101 has $60,000. Yeah, that's it. She lost a bunch in 2001, 2, and the williams sisters she lost to venus uh lost twice to three times to serena so she started getting smacked around by them a little bit but she did beat martina hengis in another match too uh at one point the federation cup they kick her off the team uh she gets in an argument with a uh with billy jean king
Starting point is 02:07:22 oh the who was the non-playing captain kind kind of the fucking, what's the word I'm looking for here? Matriarch, for lack of a better term, of the team. So the problem is Capriotti refused to cancel private coaching sessions with her father. And they said, you can't have other coaching sessions. It's just here. And she said no. And so they kicked her off the team. You can just ignore everything they tell you and just listen to your dad.
Starting point is 02:07:53 Yeah. Just have the coaching session. Shut the fuck up. That's it. Monica Sella said, quote, Jennifer should have approached the rest of the team if she wanted some help, but she didn't. It was very unfair. So apparently she's like pissed off.
Starting point is 02:08:04 Billie Jean King said, quote, Jennifer wanted to assert her independence and stefano trying to assert his will i stated the rules and they weren't adhered to it was a lot more uh than once and it wasn't fair to the team so it wasn't one thing it was just she was constantly disobeying and whatever the fuck so they kicked her off the goddamn team but uh yeah her she says her relationship with her father is great but everybody else says that she's he's doing it again basically but she finishes 2002 ranked number three 2002 she makes 2,217,939 fucking dollars does very well uh 2003 she makes 1,942,015, which is amazing to finish fourth on the money list there. So, God damn it, she is crushing.
Starting point is 02:08:48 Again, lost to Serena Williams a few times in 2002. Once in Scottsdale. Look at that. Beats Martina Hingis. Does that. Has some people there. Loses a tournament to Kim... Fuck, how do you say her name?
Starting point is 02:09:02 I want to call her Clit Jesters, but I know that's not... That's probably it. I know that's not it it that sounds like some crotch bug that you get i got the clit jesters man they're just biting me down there it's clit it's clitsters but i never know how to say her name and i've seen her on there. Whatever. Clit jesters. Clit jester beater. So there. Now she finishes 2004 and ends up having a back injury that keeps bothering her. She finishes the year
Starting point is 02:09:34 at number 10 in the world. She makes $1,290,061 and then retires. Really? At the age of 28. How about that? Done and done and done. God, that'd be great done total tennis earnings this is not endorsements which is way more than their earnings 10 million 206 639 dollars at 28 years old not bad uh overall she has 14 singles titles
Starting point is 02:09:58 and 17 runner-ups which is damn good too she is three uh she's uh three and oh and grand slam finals yeah she has three grand slam wins she's a gold medalist uh pretty goddamn good yeah uh may of 2005 she appears on a tv show called unique whips what oh cars which is like it's kind of like pimp my ride but not for poor people okay it's pimp my ride for famous people that's what it is like we'll take we'll put shit in cars that you what it is like we'll take we'll put shit in cars that you can already afford but we're just going to do it anyway we're gonna make this car better uh yeah you could have bought it it's super weird but we can say celebrities on this show so watch it so she has a range rover that is apparently made a more unique whip uh here
Starting point is 02:10:39 uh she's also in 2005 she's induct inducted into the national Italian American sports hall of fame among six other people. Hey, it's her. It's the ghost of Joe DiMaggio. We got a bunch of ball players from the fucking, uh, ball players from the fifties and sixties fucking Dan Marino's over there. A couple of winemen you've never heard of. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:11:01 Yeah. Every once in a while you get that. That's pretty much it. Yeah. That's, that's it. And so I, I want to be in the national induct get that that's pretty much it yeah that's that's it so i i want to be in the national induct me right god damn it i'm not playing a sport but just for talking about sports you know what they induct sports casters into the hall of fame so why not you know what let's start a campaign national italian american sports hall of fame induct me American Sports Hall of Fame and ducked me. I want in. They got a couple of dudes that played stickball.
Starting point is 02:11:26 I want in. No basketball players at all. I guarantee you that. A bunch of 5'7 guys named Tony going, I don't know. I'm just not that good at it for some reason. I don't know. I want to play the game. It seems like a lot of good fun, but I just can't get up that high.
Starting point is 02:11:41 I don't know. Does the rim have to be that high? Can we bring it down a bit? What if we bring it down a little bit? I think it would be better at the game. That's all I'm saying. All of us would be better. It would be a higher scoring game.
Starting point is 02:11:50 More fun. Yeah. She said in 2007 in a Daily News article, she talked about how she just, she said she went through a little bit of a mental problem after stopping playing. She said, when I stopped playing, that's when all this came crumbling down. she had went through a little bit of a mental problem after stopping playing she said when i stopped playing that's all uh that's when all this came crumbling down if i don't have tennis who am
Starting point is 02:12:10 i what am i so that's your identity for she's that's all she's ever done her whole life and now it's like no more i mean that's every fucking sport yeah jen get over it yeah but they weren't a pro at 13 like this is she had a racket in her hand since she was three also they didn't a lot of a lot of guys that play sports the majority don't make 10 million dollars jen so that's true smile and shut the fuck up i get it though but 13 pro is a different game than anybody else that would burn you out so fast 2009 of april she uh appears in the abc television reality series the superstars uh is described as a revival of the 70s battle of the network superstars or whatever it was uh it co it airs here uh she pairs with singer
Starting point is 02:12:53 david char charvette i don't fucking know he was he played a lifeguard on baywatch this guy that's her teammate in the first episode they they did like shit and they had to do a uh you know like a a race off against another team to see who would be eliminated and it was an obstacle course race against lisa leslie the very tall basketball playing woman and dan cortez who the hell is that oh dan remember the 90s yeah remember the entire 90s yeah that's dan cortez remember uh mtv sports yeah hey bro i'm over here my ski jacket bro hey dan cortez here what's up pal like i'm cool guy he's happening bro participated in that basketball game on mtv where all the time that was his rocking jock yeah and he he was on seinfeld he dated elaine all right and messed up his face step off george
Starting point is 02:13:43 what an annoying george George, step off. And that's why the thing, he was totally annoying. Hey, Tony. Oh, Tony. That was his name on the show. Anyway, they ended up winning the race and didn't get eliminated. But she actually, at the end of the show or before the next week, she said that she re-aggravated an injury from the first events
Starting point is 02:14:03 and then she's not going to be back. So that's that. An old football no old my old trick knee from football uh she they talk about her apartment at this point she has an apartment on singer island uh place on singer island which is uh this place in north of miami that's very very very uh swanky exclusive it's across it's it's from it's by palm beach there oh it's over there uh it's uh you know oh it's that island stretch right yeah yeah she has a big uh she lives in a big block of apartments that's attached to a five-star hotel it has a private beach and all that type of shit uh basically it's where you go if you don't want anybody to bother you type of deal uh in 2010 she might have wanted
Starting point is 02:14:46 to be bothered here uh before this happened in 2010 uh she is rushed to the hospital and taken in by what her spokeswoman is calling a quote accidental overdose accidental oh yeah overdose they're always prescribed medication which they will not reveal which medication it was that she accidentally overdosed on heroin so uh yeah it's what goddamn painkillers i assume it's what it's got to be right because she's got injuries yeah it's hard to accidentally right over well i mean if you're unless you're taking a lot to begin with like if you took if you usually take one and then you you're not going to take 20 one day just to fuck but also if it's stuff that fucks up your mind like painkillers are oh yeah and you just forget you took it and then you take
Starting point is 02:15:30 more if you have a bad tennis injury you have bad injuries who knows what the painkillers yeah she's probably one of those pillbillies we don't have any fucking idea so uh uh yeah they would not identify it she's rushed rushed to uh the hospital on on a Sunday morning. Capriati, she was found. And they wouldn't say who called emergency services. Nothing. They said all she would say is, quote, in response to an outpouring of concern and support shown by Jennifer's fans and friends worldwide, we would like to acknowledge that Jen is recuperating at a South Florida hospital from an accidental overdose of medication prescribed to Jen by her personal physician. Jen is recovering fully and stably.
Starting point is 02:16:08 In other words, she's not nuts. Everything's fine. Yeah, she... I didn't even hear about this, Jeff. That's what I mean. It went under the radar. Now, Venus and Serena Williams said they were very concerned. Serena said, quote, I probably will definitely see how that goes
Starting point is 02:16:25 and pray for everyone involved i probably will definitely see how that goes the fuck does that mean she didn't know what does that i'll probably definitely see if she dies or some shit and if she does i'm gonna send flowers i'll send them i don't give a fuck she's like i don't care i'm winning right now so uh yeah she said quote if there's anything if there's any way I can do anything to help reach out, I will definitely do that. She knows that. And they're cool with her and shit. Vina Williams said, quote, I remember. What?
Starting point is 02:16:52 Vina. What I said. Venus. Vina. Venus. Oh, because I was looking at Serena. Venus. Serenus.
Starting point is 02:16:59 Serenus and Vina. Venus said, quote, I remember her match against Monicaica sellis in the semi-finals of the french open i remember watching that and just thinking how great that tennis was so definitely a lot of fond memories just watching her growing up and i'm obviously even playing against her respecting her game so much now uh kim clit jester yep uh jesus christ i'm sorry sounds like a comedy club clit gestures ladies comedy because ladies night at clit gestures yeah Jesus Christ, I'm sorry. Sounds like a comedy club. Clit jesters. Ladies comedy. It's ladies night at clit jesters. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:31 It tickles. Right. That's what they call the side room at the Hollywood Improv. It's the tickler. Yeah. The clit jester room. So, clit jester posted on Twitter, quote, I haven't been able to stop thinking about jen exclamation point i hope she makes it through okay and can get some help exclamation point so she just took
Starting point is 02:17:52 it upon herself to out to out a drug problem that no one else fucking that wasn't a public thing that they were obviously hiding if you were praying for maybe just call her don't tweet this i hope she makes it through okay. And can get some help means you knew that she's got a problem. I hope she gets help for her problem. That's what's circulating in circles that know her. That's what that means. Not a good tweet.
Starting point is 02:18:15 2012, she is inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame here. At the time, though, she was telling people that she was wrestling with personal issues and uh considered not accepting the invitation because she had anxiety about being in public that says she doesn't want to go in public at this point uh she actually does she gets out there and uh she accepts it and she said here's her speech quote it's been quite a journey uh this is while she's crying and everything else. She says, this is so great for me because it's putting a lot of closure to my career and I'm able to move forward. Give thanks, take thanks, give the honor and take the honor and just be acknowledged here.
Starting point is 02:18:55 It means everything to me. So that's nice. She got her something together there. March of 2013. She's in a relationship with uh with this guy named ivan brannan okay uh he is kind of a douchebag uh it's the best way to put him uh he's like tries to get in reality shows and shit like that he's uh as jen's boyfriend no no just as he's trying to be like it's a long story but never mind him Let's talk about what happened quick here. He ends up saying that basically they had a 10-month relationship, and then it ends in February of 2013.
Starting point is 02:19:31 So over the course of the next month, apparently he says that she hounded him with phone calls and text messages, And the what he called stalking escalated to a Valentine's Day confrontation in which he accuses her of attacking him in the middle of a gym while he was working out. Oh, my God. Having a physical altercation with him while he was in the middle of lifting weights. She couldn't find him. So she just showed up to the gym. Yeah. And came in screaming, yelling and hitting him in the middle of gym while he was working out. The police report says that, yeah, attacked him at the Oxygen Health and Fitness
Starting point is 02:20:06 in North Palm Beach, Florida, punched him four times in the chest while he worked out, and then requisite slaps and scratches and grabs and shit like that. A yoga instructor intervened in the altercation, which is the first time those words have ever been said. A yoga instructor broke up a fight,
Starting point is 02:20:24 and then Brannon brannon ran and with her in hot pursuit and locked himself in the men's locker room and called the cops and called 911 she took off in her car and police were able to pull her away pull her over a few miles from the scene uh she was interviewed and released by officers at first. Imagine if a guy... Okay. Doesn't happen. Let's flip this. Imagine if a dude, a famous dude, went and found his wife in the gym and punched her
Starting point is 02:20:52 four times in the chest while she worked out to the point where other people saw and intervened. She went and had to lock herself in a locker room to get away from him, called the cops. He was pulled over a while away. They would have fucking pulled him out with their guns drawn. Absolutely. There's no fucking way that they would go well you know uh here's two sides every story i guess we'll uh talk to you later on lover's quarrel no that ain't going on there but uh apparently they let her go but there's uh four days later he ends up going to police office to
Starting point is 02:21:19 the police office and uh headquarters and uh kind of filing these actual charges. These are seven other incidents pertaining to stalking, harassing and following him. An attorney for her says that denies it all. She says, quote, Unfortunately, false accusations against celebrities and all is an almost daily occurrence in this crazy world we live in. Jennifer Capriati is innocent of these charges and we intend to vigorously defend her good name against this nonsense they tried to make it out like he was some stalker that never knew her and people make up shit like this no that's her
Starting point is 02:21:54 boyfriend that they had a fight that's not how that works 10 month relationship again around together yeah again if a guy said that about it would be like, oh, he's terrible. So anyway, we don't know what happens here. So, yeah, apparently he tried this. Ivan Brennan tried and failed in August of last year of the year before this to get a restraining order against him against her. But they wouldn't give him one despite, I guess, he ended the relationship. This was in 2012. So this was a year before. It's been going on for a year.
Starting point is 02:22:22 This was in 2012, so this was a year before. It's been going on for a year. Apparently, over a two-week period in February, Capriati sent him 300 text messages, which is too many. That's a lot. None were returned. What the shit? 300 unanswered text messages fucking bombarded this guy. If he doesn't write back, it's over, hon.
Starting point is 02:22:42 Yeah, 300 times is too much. This was leading up to the valentine's day confrontation uh apparently he called the police at least six times on her in the past year before this uh his co-workers said that uh told police that she came to the to the business one day and banged on the windows of the business with her fist and called that day more than 50 times the business so she's not there's some evidence that she's got some issues with uh relationship here uh she's got off the deep end with this relationship a little bit uh the brad and guy also provides police with seven other incident reports uh in which capriati uh harassed or stalked him
Starting point is 02:23:26 uh constantly after their breakup is what he called it he uh tried to get like we said august of 2012 he was denied a restraining order uh now after all this goes on her lawyer says quote there's no arrest warrant for jennifer capriati the cases between mrs ms capriati and mr ivan brennan has not been assigned in palm beach county and not been reviewed the current facts being circulated by mr brannan are an over-exaggeration and the police report is one-sided in mr brannan's favor since they failed to get ms caprioti's side of the story well that's because usually the way it works is if someone's a victim and they go to the cops, you get their side of the story.
Starting point is 02:24:05 And then when you arrest the person, their side of the story is called a trial. That's how that shit works. That's usually how it works. That's called a defense. That's called a defense is how shit like that works. But when assaults happen in front of witnesses, your side of the story comes later, later on. If nobody saw it, then maybe you get one side, you get the other. But if there's witnesses, we got the story it's under control it's under control uh yes so uh they failed to
Starting point is 02:24:29 get her now her lawyer also said that she will be vindicated from these charges god damn it she didn't add she didn't add the fuck at the end the period yeah exclamation point she's ordered to appear in court the next month and uh answer the allegations that she sent hundreds of text messages and punched her boyfriend. Her attorney, again, says it's nonsense and will, quote, of course, enter a plea of not guilty. Her attorney sounds like a fucking asshole. Just a fucking dick. Like, just an uppity. Like, everything's so beneath me and her and Capriati.
Starting point is 02:25:03 Fuck. Like, everything's so beneath me and her and Capriati. Fuck. Now, she did not respond for answers to questions, but she did address it on Twitter. She addresses her legal issue on Twitter, which is never smart. She chose to give her argument via a tweet. A tweet. She says, quote, all of this is absurd.
Starting point is 02:25:25 I'm outraged by the media, by my ex, the false accusations, not being able to say the truth. Lyme disease, my injuries. What? Where Lyme disease came from? I have no fucking idea. It's like a Trump tweet. Oh, she's apparently outraged by, these are all the things she's outraged by. There's a list of them. The media, her ex, false accusations, not being able to say the truth, Lyme disease, and her injuries.
Starting point is 02:25:44 She literally just listed stuff she's mad at that didn't all go together those things all don't go together that's amazing your ex and lime disease did he like put it stab you with a tick i don't know insert just let a thing of deer ticks loose in your house i doubt it but i i appreciate a list so that's fine so i mean she's outraged i mean you jesus christ everyone involved if you're like her lawyer or agents these people you got to be sick of this shit she's got to be sick of this shit i feel bad for like i said because psychologically she never really had a chance anyway and then really fucked her whole life it fucked her whole life up and then this guy and i mean i'm and i do. I feel bad for her, but not nearly.
Starting point is 02:26:26 Not nearly as bad as I feel for Jennifer Capriati, an HR specialist at TD Waterhouse in Montreal, Canada. So doing investment services there. Jennifer Capriati, management staff at PT Sungguan Indijoya in Indonesia. It's an apparel and fashion thing. Jennifer Capriati, finance help at Finance Help in New Delhi, India. And finally, Jennifer Capriati, warehouse keeper at Anthony Biotechnical Technique Limited in Croatia. So there's that. Hey, it's Jennifer Capriati from the tennis art no i
Starting point is 02:27:05 no shut up a minute i'm almost there the croatian warehouse worker you know that one much different life what do you think the differences in life of a croatian warehouse worker and a international tennis star are a little different i'll bet their elbows hurt the same probably same fucking same addictions her back and elbows are killing her. They can share pills. Yeah. So at this point, she sells her condo for a special reason. She has to sell her condo because for her because of her court case, she sells her condo at a six hundred a loss of six hundred thousand dollars. Wow.
Starting point is 02:27:44 On this condo here. It's a 19th floor apartment with sweeping views of the coast. Yeah, it's a 2,800 square foot condo. It's the resort at Singer Island. She bought it for $1.67 million in 2007 and had to sell it for $1.08 million. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 02:28:02 Not great here. Yeah, she, apparently she was uh in during in this in this uh thing here she was a target of 10 complete police complaints for 2012 from her boyfriend and then some from other people one was uh uh she sped through the guard gate of the Singer Island condo building with her car. She broke through it. She fucking broke through the guard gate like Stallone and over the top going to fucking Robert Loge's house. And in her Porsche Cayenne after the guard refused to let her in. They wouldn't let her in.
Starting point is 02:28:41 So she fucking backed up and went through the gate. Wow. That's next level shit brother you can't do that why i wonder what the confusion was that they wouldn't let her in he he was inside oh he said don't let her in i don't want to let her boyfriend was there yeah that was the thing they were sharing and he said don't fucking let her in right she's acting crazy and the guard said i agree i concur i'm not letting her in i've seen it and this she just backed up and fucking gunned it through the guard gate and went right through it uh she blocked him from leaving
Starting point is 02:29:10 his car but then left after he called the cops whenever someone calls the cop she takes off she's like oh never mind uh cops caught up to her later on and ordered her to stay off the property because now he was living there too and uh another time uh he accused her of calling the workplace like we said uh the one co-workers uh said the one day it was 50 times of banging on the window at one job at another job at pga marina she called over 100 times in a single day and when she called whoever answered she would interrogate the co-worker about him what the fuck so she would call and harass the co not just can i talk to fucking ivan no okay and call back two minutes later she's like well what's ivan doing have you seen him with girls is he doing
Starting point is 02:29:55 this why they're like i don't know you are you the tennis girl like what the fuck is going on dude uh none of those incidents ended up leading to an arrest because they weren't specifically violent. But yeah, now an ex-girlfriend of his pops up. This is a woman named Christine Corley, who was on season two of MasterChef, the Gordon Ramsay show. And she says that Brannon also called the cops on her, claiming she hit and stalked him. She says, quote, he is doing it to Jennifer Capriati what he did to me. When I read the story about this, it made me feel like I'm not crazy. No one can.
Starting point is 02:30:33 Just because she did it, too, just because he likes crazy chicks doesn't fucking mean that that makes you less crazy. Or just because he encourages the crazy that's inside you. He probably finds the people. Some people like chaos. They just like to make them jealous and shit i know guys who look for crazy girls and they like that absolutely they like that shit and i know vice versa you look for girls and they have the sixth sense to find these crazy they like those crazy people because they like to encourage that crazy without
Starting point is 02:30:59 them knowing that they're starting to stir it up it's a thing because it shows them that they're they're important to them yeah uh this woman then quote, This man is just a master manipulator who goes from woman to woman to get some money or access to the best parties in town. He disappear for months at a time and come back when he needed more money. I have no doubt he is with Jennifer for her money. And when he is done with her, he tries to get rid of her by any means he can find, including by getting police involved. He accused me of several times of beating him but no charges were ever filed because police knew
Starting point is 02:31:29 it was not true uh then she uh this woman tweeted at jennifer capriati and said quote he did the same thing to me what he did to you in all capital the what's in all capital letters for some reason capriati did not write back said don't give a shit about you uh january of 2014 the florida state attorney announces that uh they will drop the charges of uh stalking and battery against her if she completes 30 hours of community service and an anger management course so she agrees to that she does anger management counseling and they dropped the stalking and battery charges against her uh 2016 ish uh the only thing you could find of her is every article that comes out with her is uh uh calling her a hermit um and everything else and calling her fat because she's gained a little bit of weight and whatever and so she's always been a she's a figure yeah she's a tennis
Starting point is 02:32:23 player yeah she's so and then when you stop running around and burning 8 000 calories a day you might gain a little bit of weight and who gives a fuck let her get moved do you care what she does she's fucking 40 years old she wants to who cares let her fucking do what she wants uh so and they accuse her of being a hermit all the time if every time i fucking left the house everybody called me fat i'd be a fucking hermit too i wouldn't go anywhere like i can't go outside they keep calling me fat every time i leave jesus christ uh but she has some shit to say about one thing maria sharapova uh failed a drug test yeah and uh she fucking jennifer caprigati lost her mind over this shit she said well apparently this was for a drug called uh meldonium which is something that uh sharapova admitted she's been taking since 2006.
Starting point is 02:33:08 The substance was apparently at the time in 2016 just added to the list of banned substances by the World Anti-Doping Agency. And Sharapova said she didn't read the email with the updated list. She just figured it was fine. She said, according to her, she was taking the drug because of a variety of health concerns and uh noted that the drug helped improve her conditions capriati was pissed off and she uh she was pissed off saying that sharapova's bullshit for saying she's innocent and sharapova should be stripped of all of her titles wow she tweets here's a series of tweets over a one day period my word here they are because it's they're gonna bring them fast and heavy here i'm extremely angry and disappointed i
Starting point is 02:33:50 had to lose my career and never opted to cheat no matter what i had to throw the towel in and suffer next tweet i have the high price team of doctors that found a way for me to cheat and get around the system and wait for science to catch up she's saying that's what jara pova said uh quote the responses are exactly what i'm talking about everything based on illusion and lie driven by the media over 20 years beyond unfair because she said that and everybody goes hey shut the fuck up didn't you get arrested for drugs and have to go to rehab and fucking od like five years ago you're gonna talk shit about drugs So she said the responses are exactly what I'm talking about. Everything based on an illusion and a lie driven by the media for 20 years.
Starting point is 02:34:29 She says then something is wrong with the whole systems and system. The intentions of the system was never morally grounded to begin with. Then she says I just think it takes away from the sport and the hard work if true. Yes it's hard to be kicked down when injured and out and then she says everybody's reading what's written and assuming it's true uh is wrong it's just wrong
Starting point is 02:34:49 all of it if not true nothing of what you read is true you just said okay you just blasted a girl for what you read and now you're saying if it's about you it's not true if it's if you read it but if it's about her you know it's. She said, all the lies have robbed me of my life and at some point enough is enough and a line must be drawn. You must fight back
Starting point is 02:35:10 for pride and dignity. Then she says, what's the point of someone taking a heart medicine that helps your heart recover faster unless you have
Starting point is 02:35:16 a heart condition? Is that accurate? Because that's what the drug was. And then she says, it's always about one thing that benefits everyone, hashtag money.
Starting point is 02:35:24 And she says, the advantages are so subtle, they can be a hair-width difference. That gives you only what you need to reach that next level, which is true. The difference in players are a shot here and a shot there. It's just close. Yeah. So then she says, sometimes it's all about what gives you the most confidence to win, which is what people say about steroids. She says, why is this medication banned now?
Starting point is 02:35:42 Maybe I should start taking it, LOL. I might feel a lot better. Is this if this medication helped me to come back again, would everyone be all right with me taking it? And she says, how much did it take away from the other person's food plate? You know, taking their spot. Then she says, in my opinion of all my opinion of it's all very true. Title should be stripped. This is other people's lives as well.
Starting point is 02:36:06 So, yes. July of 2018, a Florida man is arrested after police say he steals the identities of celebrities and public figures. What? It's a guy named Michael Waters. He's charged with scamming personal information of nearly two dozen public figures, including Jason Taylor of the Dolphins there, Zach Thomas, the old Dolphins linebacker, Joe Philbin, who is in the Dolphins ownership group, I believe, and Regis' second cousin.
Starting point is 02:36:35 And the Miami Dolphins team all had their identity stolen by Waters. Also, the Backstreet Boys singer somebody and Jennifer Capriotti. A Backstreet Boy, Capriotti, and a bunch of dolphins. Why would he choose those people? I don't. It's people in South Florida, people. He could get their identities.
Starting point is 02:36:56 He's arrested and charged with 22 counts of fraud for using identification of another person without consent. He's accused of writing and cashing fake checks from the celebrities and other people. His list, also other people on his list, Johnny Damon, Jonathan Papelbon, Barry Larkin, Scott Skiles when he coached the Magic. All big guys. Florida law enforcement guy says here, this is another clear case of identity theft and it shows us no one is immune.
Starting point is 02:37:23 Well, especially people with money. This is another clear case of identity theft, and it shows us no one is immune, especially people with money. He would use these checks to buy thousands of dollars worth of goods and then return them all for cash. Of course. So he'd run that scam, basically, here. The Backstreet Boys singer, Dorough, is his last name? Dorough? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:37:39 Don't worry about it. He's 44. He's not a boy. No. He said that he became suspicious. He started to become suspicious when he had debt collectors calling his home yeah that'll make you suspicious you don't owe anybody money that raises flags and shit super weird yeah a bunch of people also you know uh people that are local property real estate guys a couple you know just rich people
Starting point is 02:38:01 from the area uh and uh one guy who was a local property appraiser guy named marty kayar said quote i think he probably made a mistake i'm definitely not in the league with those folks he's like i make like 61 grand a year like i you know you write checks on my shit like it's gone pretty quick you know i notice it i got 14 grand in my savings account so you don't really have a lot to write on here. My car payment bounces when you steal my money. I'm saying. So, yeah, they wouldn't say how he obtained all the personal information, but he was being held in jail on $220,000 in bail. And can't get enough of Jennifer Capriati.
Starting point is 02:38:39 Wow. Well, follow her on Twitter, at Jen Capriati. She has 2,707 tweets. She follows 86 people, has 21.8 followers. I'm like almost reaching her. Yeah, 21.8 thousand. 21.8 thousand. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Starting point is 02:38:55 I have like 18-something. Let's get me past Capriati, everybody. What do you say? That Jimmy P is funny. And 579 likes of things, obviously. Her Twitter, you you know whatever little message there under her picture bio is quote life is supposed to be beautiful spread it live it be it let's be kind to each other love heals all spread life spread life spread love boy spread everything
Starting point is 02:39:19 whatever you say that really sounds like some shit she got off a magnet on her fridge yeah that's some horny shit. She put it on Twitter. Also, go to JenniferCapriatiTennis.com. The website looks like it is from her first year in tennis. Right. Maybe her dad makes websites, too, because this looks like shit. Yeah. It looks terrible.
Starting point is 02:39:37 Amazon.com. You can get her 1991 Sports Illustrated Kids Jennifer Capriati book for $4.50. Oh, that's a deal. That's not bad sports memorabilia dot com autographed Jennifer Capriotti 8x10 color photo and it says quote Jesus Christ quote gorgeous and sexy
Starting point is 02:39:54 player in capital letters on the ad for some reason of a chick playing it's super weird $64.99 is she too young to be called that no no no she's in her 20s she's kind of like lifting up her skirt. It looks like she's picking a ball out of her underwear type of thing. So, you know.
Starting point is 02:40:10 $64.99 with $25 shipping. And this week, Code Memorial free shipping. So, there you go. Saved $25. And also, I found a signed tennis ball on there, too. Sports memorabilia. For $153.99. That's steep.
Starting point is 02:40:26 Steep for a signed. That's a good one. But I don't think she does much. I don't think she signs much. I don't think she gets out. I don't think she goes to, like, you know. She's a hermit, James. She's a hermit, apparently.
Starting point is 02:40:36 Poor thing. Well, yeah, she's a hermit because, God forbid, if she comes out, the earth will shake with her immense size and weight that everybody can see. She comes out, and it's you know six tons gonna shake everyone just says boom bada boom and she we know how it goes stop calling her fat leave her alone so that's jennifer capriotti and that is what not to do with your children my christ that is how the exact way to not raise your children that's just what a banana story that fucking nuts man from day one her life she had no chance no chance and she said yeah
Starting point is 02:41:10 all she wanted just to be an individual and her dad made her just be uh what everything else what he wanted it's tough yeah and it's one of those things we play asshole or idiot and it's kind of neither and both it's like you know kind of just feel bad for a little bit. Some idiot shit because because her dad's an asshole. And we like we said a lot to we have a you know, it's a softer spot when we do women because with a guy it's like you fucking jerk off. It's a woman. It's like, I don't know what it's like to be 14 and having everybody call you fat. Like, I don't know what that's got to be horrible.
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