Crime in Sports - #164 - Magical Mystery Brain Damage - The Untoldness of Roberto Medina

Episode Date: June 4, 2019

This week, we take a look at a man who came on to the boxing scene, literally out of nowhere. He seemingly had no past, but he certainly had a future in fighting. He made it all the way to the national stage before questions arose. Questions like "who is this guy?" cause his secret to be exposed, and his world to crumble. Just when you maybe start to feel bad for him, you find out something even more sinister!! Start boxing at an older age than usual, have all your secrets exposed, then disappoint your past supporters by committing the worst crime possible with Roberto Medina!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Right on the spot. Right on the spot. So this story is wild yeah let's just say that let's get right into it because it's a deep one and we want to give it the time it deserves okay and we don't want to go for three and a half hours okay so let's dive in here it's it's a brain damage sport right away but this is i don't know if this is so much a story of brain damage or just i don't even know how to describe this story i just have to tell it let's just do it roberto medina yeah he's a boxer okay do you know who he is no no okay there's a good play for the expo he did royals actually kansas city he was a minnesota twin for a few years and

obviously then went to montreal clearly clearly uh no he's a boxer born october 31st 1955 it's another halloween per we had a our last small town murder was a not caprioti she wasn't oh okay He's a boxer. Born October 31st, 1955. It's another Halloween. We had our last small town murder was a not Capriotti. She wasn't. Oh, okay. The guy that was a small town murder. Somebody was born on Halloween, too. So I think it was 56 or 55 to the same time.

Yeah, it's a different person. We promise. Absolutely. So he's born there. Now, this is where the story gets odd, right at birth. Let's skip ahead from 1955 to 1982, shall we? Let's tell this story just like the world found this story out and it unfolded before them. OK, 1982, he's in Tampa, Florida.

All right. Tampa, Florida. He finds a boxing gym and wanders in there and he's doing some kind of maintenance work and stuff and he's boxed he has some boxing experience and he wants to start boxing now 1982 he's already he's you know when he's in his late 20s here so this is uh he's in his prime he's in his prime if he'd been you know boxing for 28 years yeah it's a prime for that yeah but it's a not a prime time to start no and pretty much anything that's physical if you haven't started it by 27 then it's probably over it's

probably over already you're not going to be there but he has that obviously when he hits a bag they're like well this guy's boxed before he's not you know he knows what he's doing this is interesting very few 29 year old rookie of the years in the majors. Yeah. It happens once in a blue, but you have your late bloomers. But for the most part, they can tell when you're 23 if you're in or not. Let's say you can have a rookie year in the majors and play in the minors, right? Yeah. You can play for five years in the majors and still be a rookie. Seriously, you have to accumulate a certain amount of games in a season to not be a rookie.

Is that right? Yeah, for it to be officially a rookie year where you have to have a certain amount of games where you're not a rookie the next year. You can be 38 years old and win rookie of the year, technically, and have played in the majors for a dozen years. Not total.

You have to be in the minors and up and down. Your options would be up by then i understand technically it wouldn't work out but you know rook's got gray hair it's yeah super weird but you but if you started playing baseball at 27 you're not going to be rookie of the year 29 no you're never going to be good at it ever no you'll be lucky to hit the slow pitch at the batting cage when you're 34 because that shit takes a long time to learn you gotta do it since you're a kid so he's in tampa to learn you gotta do it since you're a kid so he's in tampa and we'll talk about this guy there's a guy named jim mclaughlin who's the

boxing club's kind of founder and he he does everything he's the guy who runs the whole thing he's a former boxer he opened this club to give troubled kids a place to go in the neighborhood like a lot of boxing gyms are they're kind of yeah it's a kind of like on the wire right where they dennis wise the convict comes home and he opens a gym for the troubled kids in the neighborhood and it works out very well except you got guys like michael who you know what he just needed a little more helping hand he's a little pushy because obviously got molested by his stepfather was a fucking horrible thing horrible kid poor fucking kid exactly he just needed a little distance and a little time but instead he ends up on the street and he's a new omar in a couple years it's a

fucking crazy thing wow the whole thing's crazy, Jimmy. It's fucked up. That show sounds great. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I think you may have heard of it. So this is sort of what he's trying to do. He's trying to Dennis Wise this process and have a thing here.

He had at this point, 1982, he had 125 fighters and it became a very good amateur boxing club here. And he makes no money. He opens up the club and works everything. He's a general manager of a bar at night, so he can have an income. And he does this all during the day with the kids. He's there at 6 o'clock in the morning. He's got his donation thing for the society. That's great. Yeah, that's what he does here.

So that's a good guy. I mean, if you do that, you're either a child molester or a really good guy. One or the other. The general manager of a bar, you figure that's the guy to teach you to do this stuff anyway. He's probably punching out drunk all night. I'm sure he is. Yeah, he's going to stumble in there at 6. All right, kids, let's do this.

Nine-year-old knuckles and push up. That's why they're called push-ups. You've got to push. If I push too hard, I'll puke. Yeah, no shit. Well, he says in 82, quote, or in 83, quote, I opened this club five years ago while I was training for my own fight, but I enjoyed teaching the kids more than my own fighting.

So he said that he was, you know, he's 35 at this point. He just goes into training. That's kind of what it is. And it's like a house, this place. It's a house. There's no air conditioning in Tampa. So there's a reporter there in the summer saying it's just, it's so the kids, when they're not actively doing something, they're all standing like on the front porch to get air in the Tampa summer heat because it's cooler than inside the house but it's like one of these big kind of old stately houses that's you know fall into a shittier neighborhood now and

you know has a big fireplace in the living room and all that stuff and a boxing ring sitting in there so it's kind of cool actually it's a kind of a neat thing here so while they're doing this uh like i said this was once one of these big houses, and now it's just a boxing gym inside of an old Victorian house. I love it. So it's pretty fucking cool. So at one point in 1982, he walks in, Roberto Medina, our guy. McLaughlin said the first day Medina walked in, he worked out for two and a half hours. He made a lot of people wake up.

Okay. Worked out for two and a half hours. He made a lot of people wake up. Okay, right away, if you don't know anything about boxing, if you've never actually been in a boxing ring and trained and did anything like that, go around in boxing three minutes. If you've never done that or you don't do that, the next day your fucking legs will feel like jello.

And by the end of three minutes, you will not be able to breathe. Not at all. You'll want to sit down for a while. So to go to spar for five rounds you're fucking beat and you have to have physical endurance for that to work out and throw punches and jump rope and do all the shit for two and a half hours it's pretty intense that's i mean they're like this guy didn't come in off the street right in this kind of shape for boxing like this is super weird so uh they said yeah he followed medina was a really nice guy followed all

the rules did everything like he was supposed to was really great to the kids was a role model for them and would be nice to them and had time for them and would teach them stuff and so and he's while he was training mclaughlin said there's not an older fighter fighter that comes in here that hasn't been in some kind of trouble with the law i just don't push their past so they're saying like you're just gonna let some guy come in and you know you don't even know this guy and whatever and he said not my fucking problem if you come in here and follow my rules and want to punch people in the face and good with it and be punched in the face you're fucking welcome you're a welcome participant what else yeah what do i want from people they're not robbing me or doing anything to me i don't care it. It's your old rule. You wanted a fight. You got to fight.

You got to fight. Yeah. Here you go. We agreed to it. And it's wonderful. So he he worked out every day. He started coming in every day. Roberto did.

And McLaughlin was he was like, this guy's fucking great. You know, Christ, I wish he was 18. But he's still he's great. He said that he would get there. He would be waiting. McLaughlin said when he'd come in in the morning he uh medina would be sitting on the front steps waiting for him so he was the first one there and he'd be the guy you know when mclaughlin locked up he'd be waiting for roberto to get his shit to leave he's the last first one there last one to leave makes you wonder if he's

kind of living there all the yeah which is he's there all day that's it yeah who knows he's sleeping on the roof or something what the fuck But they said he's showing great promise. He's a small guy. He's about 5'7". He comes in at a lightweight. He fights in the 130s and I think goes up into their low 140s. No, I don't even think he gets that high. I think he's just in the 130s because he's fighting Meldrick Taylor at one point.

We'll talk about all that shit. But he works out a ton and as a lightweight, they're very much interested in him doing things. He starts fighting fights, amateur fights. And his future manager here, this Bloomberg guy, says they were scared to fight Roberto and the amateurs. He had never been knocked down in the gym. He was one of the hardest punchers I've ever seen. He knocked down a heavyweight he was sparring against with a body blow. My Christ.

So that's a guy who's got at least 60 pounds on him 70 pounds on him and he dropped him with a body blow blast him in the belly and knock him down yeah that's incredible and the amateurs who are 17 18 years old there's a big difference between 17 and 27 there's just physically there's just a monster fucking difference well yeah huge right it's there's you get old man strength at some point that comes on not when you're old but not when you're 17 right short of mike tyson you don't see a guy physically dominate at that age an older guy usually in a fight in a fighting situation and so here he was just killing people because they're younger guys and he's a he's an older guy you're just a little tougher so they said it didn't matter. No one knew where he came from.

No one knew who the fuck he was. He was just Brendan Fraser from Blast from the Past. You love that movie. I do. It's a great fucking movie. So that's who he was, though. It's like Christopher Walken trained him to box instead of play baseball and dance.

He trained him to box in the basement while Sissy Spacek ran around. And then he popped out in the middle of 1982 from the 50s and you know you're scared of the h-bomb and they ran for cover and that was that that's kind of what it is so they said the only thing they they uh they knew was he had he had three tattoos on him that was the only thing that they could make of anything they said he had three tattoos uh they had one on his arm one on his chest one of one on his back he has a rose on his chest he has we'll talk about what he has on his back in a second because it's fucking hilarious but on his arm it says john huh just john not john 316 not john wayne not john wayne not you know i like guys

named john not my dad's name is John. None of that shit. So McLaughlin one day asked him about it. Why do you have John on your arm? And Medina just smiled and said, that's a long story. You know, people get stupid. He could have been drunk. And, you know, the guy mixed up what I wanted with what my friend wanted.

And his has Roberto on his arm. And I have John. And, you know, who knows? That's what happens. So who knows? There's a fluff piece on him around this time as a, as a young fighter, a nice fluff piece in Tampa here talking about how, uh, the fluff piece digs a little more and it was passed. Oh, here he is.

They said that his career began. This is in the 83. This fluff piece comes out. They say Medina's career began seven years ago in Fresno, California. And they say that he made his name seven years ago in fresno california and they say that he made his name as a teenage street fighter yeah that's what they talk about here as a fresno teenage street fighter he said quote i fought on the streets i met an old man who told me why don't i take it to the gym i don't think i've had a street fight since then i talk my way out of

street fights and just fight in the gym that's what he says at that point he is coming off during this interview he's he's been amateur boxing for about a year and a half and he's coming off a run of 28 straight amateur wins here well so yeah that's why they're doing a fluff piece on him like he's an up-and-comer he says quote it was easy to change everything fell into place for me when i started taking the fight to them, they started running away from me. So he said that, you know, yeah, obviously. They're terrified of you. Yeah, you're aggressive and older and they're amateurs and they're scared of you.

So they're talking about this summer. He's going to the Florida Sunshine Games in Orlando. When he was there, he scored two first round knockouts, which qualified him for the U.S. American Boxing Federation Tournament. From there, he advanced to the final round of that tournament in Atlanta. So that's a big deal. He wins the Florida Golden Gloves title and the Sunshine State Games title. So, yeah, not too fucking bad. So he's cleaning up in Florida.

He's cleaning up. He's a's cleaning up he's a big deal he's kicking ass and during this article they're talking about all of this and they're also talking about that he is at the time of the article in atlanta attempting to qualify for the u.s olympic boxing team trials which is crazy that those will be held in colorado springs colorado and he's uh that'll come in handy later on, by the way. Keep that little nugget in your pocket. I know exactly where it is. I know you do.

You know your shit. He says that going to the Olympics could help him as a professional career and it could help him make money as a fighter. If you medal in the Olympics, you don't have to start making $100 a night. No, you get a Wheaties box. Yeah, you're a different ballgame. You get paid. You're on TV immediately. You do what you want to do here.

So they said he came to, he says that he came to St. Petersburg a year ago from Fresno. He's been 28-2-0 as a lightweight here. 16 of those were knockouts, so those wins. He says, quote, I feel I'm real strong for the Olympics. This is my first break. If I get to the Olympics, I'll get more recognition. When you get a chance like this, you have to take advantage of it. He has to win three fights to qualify for the Olympic trials.

He says it's a rough sport. So many people are out there fighting. I'm in great shape. I'm not taking this lightly, but I feel I'm going to be hard to beat. You got to win three? Is that in one day i don't i hope not well those tournaments probably might be because they're they're probably i think they're three rounds of headgear okay so it's not so bad yeah no one's getting fucking brutalized to the you know where they're it's like sparring with body blows yeah especially with lightweights yeah yeah that's a good point yeah and for him to have that many knockouts as a lightweight amateur. That's incredible. That's got some pop.

Because these lightweights normally, they don't knock each other out very often. So finally, he gets to the semifinals in the welterweight division of the tournament for the U.S. Olympic boxing team. And he loses that one. And that was his last amateur loss. And in three years as an amateur, two and and a half his record is 94 and three wow so it's a lot yeah it's a lot of fights already absolutely it's not too shabby yeah he says quote we decided beforehand that if i lost i would turn pro so that's his plan yeah as soon as he lost out of this he's he thinks he's ready to fight at least you know to make a little bit of

money and make it his job because when he comes to Tampa, he's doing, we'll talk about it, but yeah, he's not flourishing financially while he's training to be a boxer. Amateur boxers, they're not the most highly paid people out there. You don't hear LeBron James going, I think I'm going to hang up the sneakers and I'm going to put some boxing gloves on and go out and let people punch me in the face for $100.

That sounds great. You know, it pays a lot better than these Nike and Reebok and all these other commercials that I've got. Now. You know, amateur boxing is the way to go these days. Yeah. Obviously. Guys, get your shit together, everybody.

You know, because boxing is in such great shape as it is, you know. It often goes back and forth between TV and movies, which one's more lucrative. That's what it's going to be. Right now, it's basketball and amateur boxing. Yeah, that's what it is you know so it often goes back and forth between tv and movies which one's more lucrative that's what's right now it's basketball and yeah that's what it is amateur boxing and really it's any sport of amateur boxing get your gloves on everybody so february 1984 there's a bunch of coaches uh amateur coaches bring uh bring merberto to the attention of a guy named brad jacobs who's the director of boxing operations for alessi promotions in tampa they're boxing promoters and they're kind of the the class of the tampa boxing promoters at this point in time and so medina here he tells jacobs that he

had over 50 amateur bouts and you know he wanted to be a fighter here so the jacobs ends up taking him on as his promoter and he signs the lessee promotions there and uh the the their promoter that their main guy that goes out and actually sells the fights augie rodriguez called him a hell of a puncher yeah so he's going to be fun to watch so he makes his pro debut march 15th 1984 1984. This is at Curtis Hickson Hall in Tampa. Here, it's versus a guy named Roosevelt Booth, who sounds like a made-up name for a guy who doesn't box well. Or just a square.

Yeah, well, he fights like a booth. He just stands there and he has no arms. He just takes whatever you give him. Roosevelt is 0-3 coming in. Okay. So it's not going well for him. Living up to it. To his Booth-like name, yeah. He he's 11 11 and one for his career total how the all ones he was like you know what that's

gotta be good luck it's gotta be lucky i'm gonna open up a whatever else i do i'm opening up like a drywall company now i feel like i'm blessed with whatever my next endeavor is so i'm gonna open up a gas station called 11 to 11 11 to 11 that's the time we're gonna be open sometimes we stay open to one maybe 11 11 to 1 maybe one so but we might open at 11 we might open at one too you never know never before 11 or one though that's never gonna happen you come here at 9 a.m sorry we can't help you we're here for the afternoon rush only uh he says it's 11 11 and that's enough ones i'm retired now i'm good i've gotten all the ones i wanted number one finally finally all across the board should i have 10 more draws no

no that's getting greedy it's getting greedy yeah not gonna be 11 11 11 11 and one is really pushing it so roberto wins this pretty easily by tko in round two so he's one and oh now keep pay attention to these dates because they come fast and furious this is a guy who is fighting to eat yeah you know this is he's fighting for sandwich money here bread and butter yeah literally he's they might pay him in bread and butter at the end of the night they might just give him like the like a sack of day old rolls god jesus from the nearest deli gross these are where they were going to throw them out anyway. So you got these. You lost. What do you want from us? A handful of butter.

There you go. Put your hand out. No containers. The rule is no containers. If you don't put it in your hands, you can't have it. Put the bag in your teeth. Okay.

There you go. Gross. There you go. You feel good about yourself? No, exactly. And you shouldn't. You're garbage. You're garbage. You're garbage.

So he's won a no. March 30th is his next fight. That's two weeks later. It's at the Hyatt Regency in Tampa. So people are having sex in the same building while this is going on. It's kind of weird if you think about it. It's gross. Well, you're getting punched in the face.

Someone's getting a blowjob. You're having the worst day of your life and somebody's enjoying the best. This is great. They've got room service all laid out yeah fucking lids to it everywhere their nose is swollen and bleeding you know cut over your left eye so here he fights ira robinson who will do your taxes if you beat him that's that's the rule you don't yeah there's no money in this but if you beat ira he'll do your taxes. That's all there is to it. He's a 2-13 career fighter. So that is not great. Are there any Jewish good boxers?

No. That guy's probably not even Jewish, right? No, Ira. Was the last one Baldwin? Robinson. Oh, no. His first name's Ira. No, he's not Jewish, but it's as close as I'm getting.

He could be. How do we know? I highly doubt it. I'm not. Robinson is. Maybe his mom's Jewish. He's half Jewish. Because if the mom's Jewish, you're a Jew.

We're naming him Ira. Fine. Fine. Whatever. Fred Robinson. That's right. He's going to be a Robinson either way. So that's fine.

You want to name him Ira? No problem. I don't give a shit. He's still going to dunk. So anyway, Ira here is 2-13. He loses the last 10 fights of his career so he was 2 and 3 poor bastard promising and then it just goes all to shit and this is his second to last fight so we know what happens here he loses by tko in round three bringing roberto to 2 and 0 yeah

here now may 3rd he takes a month off he did holy shit four whole weeks that's it's yeah it's it's wild because they're going to come even more fast and furious may 3rd 84 this is at the egypt shrine temple in tampa he fights oscar castan who is two and oh coming in how about that so it's two and oh versus two and oh yeah and oscar ends up being six ten and one for his career not terrific but this fight goes all four rounds it's's a four-rounder. Roberto wins by unanimous decision. He's pointed him, but whatever. He wins. 3-0 for him.

June 17, 1984. He's at the Hyatt Regency in Tampa again. He fights Chauncey Johnson, who is definitely not Jewish. I'm going to go out on a limb and say probably. He is 1-0 coming in. 3-0 versus 1-0. This could be good.

This guy ends up being 3-6 for his career. So again, maybe it was Roberto that did it to him. Roberto's good. He's pretty good. He wins by TKO in round three here, bringing him to 4-0. So four days later, he fights again. So he fought three rounds, and then four days later, he fights again, which seems kind of crazy. You can't even watch a game tape in that long.

No. You can't watch the film of somebody fighting before. You're not training. No. Fuck no. You're still resting your eyes. Your hands still hurt. Your eyes are still swollen when you enter the ring.

Your hands still hurt from punching the last guy. The last guy's skull is still just ringing through my knuckles. I still feel it in my elbow. Now I gotta punch you for fucking four rounds? So he's 4-0 entering this fight.

June 21st, 84 at the Egypt Shrine Temple. He fights David Taylor who's 0-0-1 career. That's gotta be... His first fight's a draw. You train. You get all ready.

You're psyched up. It's my first fight! And you don't win or lose. That really has to be... First fight's a draw. You train, you get all ready, you're psyched up, it's my first fight, and you don't win or lose. That really has to just take some of the steam out of it for you. I'm not good at this, and I don't suck. This is weird. So I'm just... Okay. So I should sort of keep going just for a little while, I guess.

That was neither encouraging or discouraging. What the fuck? Give it another chance. I don't know. Well, he gave it a lot of chances, because David Taylor ends up up 1936 and three in his career good lord so he ends up being a journeyman punching bag this goes all four rounds though because he's a journeyman punching bag so now that's he fought three rounds got to rest for a couple days and then fought another four roberto's like i said i don't know if you could hit it full strength after you your

hands are sore from punching a guy a few days before that especially if you tko'd him you hit him pretty good and that hurts i mean your fucking hands are at the end of that shit yeah so uh this goes all four but roberto gets the decision so it brings him to five and oh july 12th 84 so less than a month again three weeks we're back back at the Curtis Hickson Hall in Tampa, where he fights Torrance Brown. And this is his first career fight. Okay. Torrance Brown. So they expect big things out of him.

They do not materialize, however, because for his career, he is 0-1. Oh, no! That was his whole career. Roberto ended it. This is it. These one and a half rounds of a fight are all that he ever fought and he is

knocked out by Roberto and says, I don't think this is for me. I'm done. You know what? No. One and a half?

I'm fine. The handful of butter isn't really worth this, I'm thinking. This isn't good. So he's 6-0 now, Roberto is, so

fucking not bad. You start out 6-0 as a pro, that's something. That's, you know, you're not bad. That's to be, not as a pro, that's something. That's, you know, you're not bad. That's not to be shit upon. Sure.

So that was July 12, 1984. July 19, 1984, he's fighting again. Yeah. He's fighting at the Oasis Ballroom in Tampa. He's fighting Luis De Jesus, who is 3-4 coming in and ends his career at 3-12. So never. Never to win again. And I looked at his career too he started out two and oh yeah in his career promising lost a fight won a fight and then never won again

they figured them out two and oh you lost when you're like shit maybe i'm not as good as i thought then you win another you're like no no i'm back i'm back i didn't let that bother me i shook it right off i'm three and one And then just never fucking win again. Punches upon punches upon punches. Eleven straight losses. Fuck, this sucks. So this is a first round TKO for Roberto. So he makes quick work of him. So I guess in a few days, he only in a week, he only in both fights, he only fought like barely three rounds.

So that's not bad. So that's July 12th. And then July 19 19th like we said he fights there and then he fights august 5th again so two weeks later at the egypt shrine temple he fights jimmy the battling bull lions who sounds like i don't know so a political reporter it's been around for like 60 years the battling bull from the washington post he's been couldn't you couldn't you have picked a better your last name's lion he helped bring nixon down how about the battling lions yeah battling lion or the battling whatever what's his first name jimmy jimmy yeah jimmy the bull jimmy lions and he goes with the bull jimmy the battle and bull

the battle and bull well the battle and bull is oh-2 coming in. So he's not a great start to his career. He's battling all right, but not successfully. And he ends up 1-13 in his career. That is not terrific. He started out 0-12. Okay. How do you even start that long and still, how do you even get to one win?

0-12? Done. 10 has to be your i would say three is your cutoff probably lose your first three you gotta go guys this isn't working for me strike three right then if you're maybe you're a you know kind of a person who likes even numbers like sarah likes the tv to be in increments of five in volume it makes you feel better i have way more weird shit than that so i'm not saying that's a bad thing but increments of five and i totally get it.

And I'm into it, too. Yeah. You like round numbers, maybe five losses. If you're crazy, maybe 10. Yeah. Like, I'm going to go all the way if I don't lose 10. But 12. Shit, man.

He went a whole dozen. I mean, that's impressive. But then he stuck around. Who the fuck did he find that was worse than that? Right. Imagine his managers like, is there anyone out there just waking guys up yeah guys asleep in front of liquor stores just waking them up on the sidewalk hey buddy like smacking them around let's go you know how to fight with your hands you ever do that come on one you want a handful of butter yeah

yeah come with me how do you feel about rolls, buddy? Follow me. They're still pretty soft, though. They're day old, but they're not bad. So this guy, then he wins a fight and then loses one more and says, never mind, and retires. He's like, okay, yeah, this isn't working. Oh, yeah, I remember what these feel like. Yeah, oh, that's right. What do you think? Like, if I never lose again, I'll just keep fighting until I lose again?

That had to be the deal he made with his wife or something. It's got to be. They're like, if you lose one more, you're you're quitting right because when he won the one she went no fuck it's like a comic that like does a bunch of open mic and then his wife harps at him and tells him you're not doing you're not it's doing nothing for you and then you get a weekend gig at a club then you're like see i told you yeah well worse is when they don't even get a weekend gig at your club and they just end up divorcing their wife and still like that's going to change something and there still just doesn't change the fact that you're not talented that's the issue

lack of talent enjoy you and no neither does anybody else there's a there's a correlation and there's also there's a misconception in comedy because comics are self-deprecating so you'll hear guys like bill burr be like, I sucked for five years. No, you didn't. See? His suck is me killing. His suck is better than you are doing, probably. And even his suck, even in his suck compared to a good beginner who's killing still sucks.

Horrible. A good comic looks at them them they know what they're doing wrong and they could they could maximize shit so much more and they're you know the jokes might be base and shitty and cheesy so i get saying you suck but you can tell when someone's hefty you can tell within 10 seconds of someone getting on stage the first time even if they eat dicks and get no laughs you can tell if they're funny absolutely you can tell if they eat dicks and get no laughs, you can tell if they're funny. Absolutely. You can tell if they're going to get good, if they're capable, if they have the talent well to fill. You can see it. Or they're just going to run with somebody else's stuff for the rest of their life.

Or that, yeah. But if you have been doing people out there, we've seen it. They do open mics for five, seven. They're just like this guy. They do loss after loss. They're never any good never going they they do shows grinding they do shows in front of their friends and and they still suck and can't get like they're not any good and they still keep fucking going and it's like this

guy and that's it's it's a misconception that if you work hard enough you can get better because you also need talent and some people just don't have any talent at that particular thing but they keep trying so roberto wins this fight as with a first round knockout because it's this guy he's terrible this guy's awful and he brings roberto to eight and oh and he feels so good he fights 10 days later oh my god that didn't take too long to do so he fights back at the egypt shrine again uh fights richard lassiter who's seven three and one coming in which okay not bad but then you look at his career total and he's seven ten and one good lord so you never want to fight again after this one and including this one because roberto knocks him out in round two at least he's up to six round fights now instead

of four but it doesn't go six so nine and oh for roberto wow look at this shit yeah he's he's this is impressive it really is it's impressive it's especially for a guy who's you know 28 29 years old almost he's 28 right now but that's it's impressive man for a young fighter who's young in terms of experience and old in terms of years yeah it's crazy so uh yeah he, he knocks Lassiter out. He's fighting October 4th. So now he takes a break. Takes a month and a half off.

He's got a fight he's got to train for because it's against a decent fighter. It's October 4th, 84 at the Oasis Ballroom. He fights Juan El Indio Carrion. Carrion? C-A-R-R-I-O-N. Okay. So the Spanish Carrion. Yeah. Not like a Carrion bag. It is. It is. okay carry on c-a-r-r-i-o-n okay so the spanish carry on yeah they're not not like not like a carry-on bag it is it is it's just a spanish way

el indio he's a very small man these are yeah i assume you just carry him on he's the size of like an early 80s camcorder he's heavy it's unwieldy it's not comfortable but you can technically see in front of you if you you work hard enough, you can fight through it like a muddling open mic comic, and you'll make it work. So El Indio here is 10-1-2 coming in. Yeah. So that's a decent fighter because he's 9-0. Roberto is. His career, he ends up 10-2-4.

So he never wins again, but he fights a lot. This goes all six rounds. All six rounds. six rounds decision comes in it's a draw oh it's a draw that's not satisfying at all that doesn't feel good at all no that's like i got punched in the face a lot and i only get half a handful of butter this sucks this is no good at all and only a couple of rolls this is not fair we have to share the fun to share the purse i'll cut this in half but you get half the bouquet fine and only one plastic butter knife to spread it and that's all you're getting so uh together you have to eat that's the rule your black eyes oh it's the first thing they've eaten today terrible jesus christ so he's 90 and one roberto

is now which is fine it's not a loss and he fought kind of a pain in the ass kind of a pain in the ass kind of fighter they're not thrilled about it his his management team but you know whatever it's not unless it becomes a pattern it's not a big deal right really here i'm smacking mike sorry look at you jesus christ your first fucking day? Jesus Christ. I'm 0-12. Episode 164. No handful of butter for you at the end of the show. 165-1 right now. Sorry. Jimmy gets no

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and 10 coming in and his career is five and 28. What? Just takes beatings. Why does he do this? Why? Why are you doing this? Because if you're that level of fighter, you're not getting paid very much. This isn't like you're not doing it for the money.

This is for the love of the game, babe. The love of getting the shit pummeled out of your brain. Maybe this is his way so he's not a cutter. Maybe, yeah. Maybe this is his way of inflicting harm upon himself not a cutter maybe yeah maybe this is his way of inflicting harm upon himself he's like yeah i'm a real fuck him up right then the five days were the days he felt pretty good about himself and he's like hey no no i'm better than that i'm not gonna stand here and be fucking run over by you no i'm fighting back and then he gets five wins

the other 28 times he was just like it's fine he's just there to feel something that's all at least i feel it man so 5 and 28 this goes all six rounds so this is not what they want out of roberto going all six rounds with a journeyman shit pile right here so this is a unanimous decision for roberto but still it took that long it was depressing yeah he couldn't get the fight stopped and it wasn't even you know whatever so he's 10-0-1 now which is fine 10 wins that's when they start looking at you december 19th 84 now they're still though they're going what the fuck is wrong with you why are you going the distance with nobodies and shit you're so we want to take you to the next level and you're letting people hang on to you from the level beneath you what the fuck so december 19th 84 gotta get that christmas money yeah you just know whatever

money he made here this is christmas money big time he's like awesome right before i get paid in cash i get cash for that fuck yeah i'll get paid out of the bar just pay me it's fine just pull it out the till pull it out of the till what do you out of the till. What do you owe me? $130? Just pay it out of the till. So he fights Curtis Golston this night, who's 4-9 coming in and 5-15 career. Sweet Christ. So another, this is a guy who they put him up there like, see? Beat up this guy. Look good for us and get your confidence up here. This goes all six rounds again with another journeyman.

And this time it's a split decision and goulston wins jesus he loses that five fifth win to his next six losses that goulston had this is that win oh boy so not terrific management not thrilled with him at all they're like what the fuck are you doing and he's not happy with himself he can't be he's 10-1-1 now you know he's 29 years old he was turned in october so march 7th 85 at the oasis ballroom he fights robert coleman who's oh and four coming in they're like this okay he's never beat anybody just beat him up and leave this guy ends up oh and five career roberto ends his career for him with a first round knockout great roberto took out all his frustration on this poor bastard yeah who then

never fought again ring last time yeah that he should have had he just he let this poor guy have it and so now he's 11 one and one okay quit yeah there you go yeah you rolled 11 you rolled all ones yeah oh he's got it he's got it wow is's got it. Wow. Not 11-11-1, too. 11-1-1. You're done. That's much better. But he doesn't. He sticks with it. And the press talks to him at this point about, because he looked good in this fight, obviously,

against a guy who's not really a professional boxer. Sure. But they talked to him about previous losses and what happened and, you know, how'd you get over it? What's going on? And he says, says quote it was my fault i was taking things for granted i was getting the knockout so early that i got to where i wasn't sincere in my training got too easy yeah he was beating these slugs fighting too fast yeah you

take shortcuts then because you don't need to he said there was a lack of motivation on my part i realized what was wrong after the draw and the loss well that'll wake you the fuck up i knew i was capable of doing better but in boxing a lot of times you kind of ruin your market value already once you do that so you know it's you're lucky if you're going to get a good fight so his next fight is may 15th 85 at the egypt shrine again he fights james vozar who is six eight and one coming in and finishes his career 6'10 and 1. Oh, boy. So Roberto beats him here in the TKO in the third round for Roberto, bringing him to 12'1 and 1. Now, this is the point where he gets a big fight, where he's talking about he's stepping up a level now.

He's fighting an Olympic medalist coming up. So it's going to be a big fight. It's going to be on national television. He's had a few fights on USA Network back then. It's the way cable was back then. USA would have low-level Friday night fights always, and they'd have low-level shit like that on. And they were just trying to find programming in the early 80s, these cable stations. Monster trucks. Monster trucks. They hadwf wrestling on back then wwe they had you know

the madison square garden feed used to go out to that too nationally and they do all that shit so medina talks in this article here the press talks to him about it because they're they're kind of interested because he's you know no one knows who he. No one cares who he is at this point in time. He's almost 30 years old. He's kind of a journeyman. And this guy he's going to fight, who is Meldrick Taylor, is expected to be a champion. He's an Olympic champion. And he's a fucking great fighter, too.

Absolutely phenomenal. So Medina talks about how he got about $200 for his pro debut. Wow. First fight, $200. That is steep. That is rough. But it's still better than comedy because you're not going to make $200 in comedy

in your first three fucking years combined. Combined, all of it together. Best of luck. Yeah, and we're not talking in bar tab or in free beer or chicken fingers or any shit like that. Actual cash in your fucking hand. Good luck.

So he says this is his chance to increase his earning power. He says, if I beat this guy, I'm something. Now I can start fighting and naming my price and people are going to want to, you know, I'm a big deal at that point.

He says, quote, when you climb in the ring that first, when you climb in that first big hill, then there's all kinds of doors of opportunity ahead of you. I plan to bust this door wide open. All right. That's right.

He says he's been holed up for multiple weeks here in Kalamazoo, Michigan, preparing to fight. He's put himself in a Rocky IV situation where he's pulling logs up a fucking hill. He's doing all this shit. Ready to fight Meldrick Taylor. Now, Meldrick Taylor is an Olympian. And Meldrick Taylor, to me, I have a soft spot for Meldrick Taylor because I've always been a big boxing fan. And in the late 80s, he fought Julio Cesar Chavez, who was at the time undefeated. And he was like 83-0 or some crazy shit.

And he was like the hero of the division and nobody could beat him he's a great fucking fighter yeah but meldrick taylor i watched this fight one night on hbo random fight when i was a little kid and meldrick taylor just had a flash he had a style he was fast and he beat the shit out of chavez for the entire fight he's winning on every fucking scorecard by a mile i mean he's kicking the shit out of chavez it was you're looking at chavez like jesus christ he looks like he's done man i mean it looked terrible and then in the final round 12th round with i want to say 13 seconds left or so taylor gets knocked down in the corner he gets knocked down in the corner he gets he pops

up on like two pops right back up i mean he got hit pretty good and just you know not knocked him down so he pops up in the corner all he has to do is you know take the standing eight count and wait another five seconds rounds over he's gonna lose that he's gonna lose that round and win the fight he's gonna beat chavez and be a champion and all this shit the referee fucking calls the fight while he's standing there really waiting for the standing eight count referee richard steel steps in the middle and fucking waves it off and calls it with like seven seconds left why can't he do that he just assumed he said

tkf like he wasn't bad his eyes are rolling like he wasn't capable of taking a step out of the ring and then having the bell ring because all he would have done is taken a step out of the corner bell rang rounds over that's it that's the end of the fucking fight he didn't have to go in and fight and he was fine when he waved it off taylor went ripped his fucking mouthpiece out what the fuck are you talking about he went crazy started jumping up and down he wasn't in a stupor or he got robbed he got it was the biggest robbery i've ever fucking seen too bad it was the saddest thing i was so fucking mad for him as a child. And I'll never forget that. So I have a definite soft spot for Meldrick Taylor.

That's a bummer. It was fucked up. Look it up. Meldrick Taylor Chavez final round. It's absolutely insane. Because you're like, oh, this is it. And then I couldn't believe it. He got fucking called.

So Taylor is 6-0 coming in. But he's got all eyes on him. He really does. He's an Olympian. He's the star of the card that night. He ends up being 38-8-1 for his career. He hung on a little long at the end,

but man, was he a bad motherfucker the first few years of his career. And one of those losses is bullshit. So he should be 39-7-1, at least. So this is a huge fight, too. It's on ABC Wide World of Sports which wouldn't mean anything to anybody now, but in 1985

ABC Wide World of Sports was a big fucking deal. Not everybody had cable. That's a network thing on a Saturday afternoon. This is when they used to show Muhammad Ali fights and shit was on Wide World of Sports pre-pay-per-view. So it was a big deal being on here.

Grace. Yeah. Right now? Right now. Yeah, right before this fight is Grace. Okay? And during the fight, he holds it, but we're going to call Grace right before the bell rings.

This fight goes all six rounds. So he hangs in there with Meldrick Taylor, which everyone is impressed with, although he takes an ass kick. Oh, I'm sure of it. He's got a tough joy. He's not going to be knocked out. But man, does Taylor fucking wallop him this entire fight? I mean, he's so quick and skilled. Meldrick Taylor is dancing around, beating the shit out of you the whole time.

So unanimous decision for Meldrick Taylorlor right bringing uh bringing medina to 12 two and one but no shame in that 12 two and one no shame in that loss at all he can go in there and go yeah i fought who's good guy is clearly going to be a champion of the world and hung in there such as life yeah uh he taylor hit medina with 383 punches holy that was the ring stat 383 punches in six rounds not through 383 landed 383 punches in six rounds oh my god that's so many he peppered the fuck out of him think about how many times to imagine being punched once yeah now multiply that by 383 times that's insane to be hit that many times. That is not fair.

In 18 minutes. Right. That's how many times she got hit. So, ridiculous. But Taylor said of Medina, quote, I hit him with everything I had and didn't move him anywhere. I hit him with everything in the book. It kind of frustrated me. So, he could not knock him out no matter what he did.

And he couldn't even hurt him basically is what he said so he outboxed the shit out of medina but medina's got a tough uh a tough tough uh jaw here medina says afterwards no i never considered quitting during the fight because he was getting beat up so bad the reporter said did you ever just think of just not coming out for a round because clearly you had no chance of winning this fight, obviously. But he's a puncher. He looks at it. It's boxing. I get one clean shot.

Who knows? I mean, look at Rockman and Lennox Lewis or something. These guys get knocked out. So he says, quote, that's the whole purpose of training and fighting to give it your best. And I think that's what I did. So this is after the fight, right after the fight. Then a reporter out of nowhere asks him quote roberto there's a rumor going around ringside that you're a fugitive from justice in colorado any any truth to that

and he just looked at him he went i don't know what you're talking about no not at all and shrugged and was like i don't know and then that was all the reporters so uh foreshadowing jesus christ he goes back to his dressing room and uh with an upset stomach one of his trainers yeah says quote after the fight i went to medina's dressing room room and was told i couldn't enter he said quote i told them i was his friend and they still didn't care i asked them if roberto had collapsed or something and they said he hadn't then they showed me their police badges and i realized something criminal had happened a few minutes later roberto's girlfriend came out of the dressing room crying her eyes out i asked her what happened and she said quote he's not the

person we both think he has quote this is just incredible i'm stunned why did he take up such a visible job he could have been a carpenter which he is and probably stayed out of jail longer yeah but the problem is he's got distinctive fucking tattoos yeah those will those will get you in trouble every time and an ex-girlfriend oh no like him so you add those two things together and uh yeah uh well he says about all this so we'll forget to who he is here he says about all this that he had bad feelings before the fight he was plagued by dreams of somebody chasing him and that he just felt uh uncomfortable the whole time the norfolk police because this was in virginia in cooperation with colorado authorities where he's from as we'll find

out knew where medina was staying and when he arrived because he was there for a big time fight that they was in the fucking newspaper every one one of his movements, pictures of him training, doing interviews on ABC, literally talking to Coward Cosell, for Christ's sake. It's not hard to find the fucking guy. Hey, if you're a fugitive, don't get on TV. Stay off TV. Why don't you? That's a that's a fucking good feeling in your stomach.

When you think about being on America's Most Wanted, that's the feeling you should have any time around any camera ever. That's the thing the thing that's well that's that's so funny i got in america's my this old mobster guy i know i think i might have told this before but fuck it i'll tell it again people join late this old mobster guy and i was telling me a friend of his literally two friends of his were you know they were on the lam uh you know running from the cops and whatever they were hiding out and they were in a bar and one of them was on america's most wanted oh my god and they're talking about how you know his crimes and he's vicious and all this shit because he's a mobster so they're really you know john

walsh will make anybody sound like they're fucking a serial killer anyway you know that he did this and that and so somebody at the bar just offhandedly just goes, hey, he doesn't look so tough. This guy exposes himself and says, I don't look so fucking tough and beats the shit out of this guy to the point where the cops come and fucking arrest him. And he's taken into custody because he couldn't let that slide. How dare you say I don't look so tough. I'll kick your fucking ass in the bar, even if it means I go to fucking federal prison. That's how stupid people are. So amazing. So, so yeah they said colorado they knew where he was staying where he lived where he would go afterwards so they waited for him basically the authorities went there watched the fight waited for him to take off italians in your fucking ego isn't that amazing that's a that's

next level though that's that's some next level crazy shit that's like if you saw that in a move in a gangster movie you'd be like well that's silly no that's how these guys are when you see silly shit in gangster movies it's because that's how they are so they said all they did was wait for medina to take his robe off before the fight revealing his tattoos and they went that's our guy and then they were nice enough to at least wait till after the fight so they could have pulled him out of the fucking ring right then with his gloves on yeah and the whole that would have been on abc and they would have had no fight to broadcast so you know i would assume they they made a deal so he gets arrested and escorted out of the out of the arena in handcuffs they let him take a shower and change in with street clothes and all that

shit that was nice of them there so uh the denver denver police detective named dennis krabari said that quote he is listed as a career criminal in our denver da's office holy shit he says that he has a record of 61 arrests since 1973 wow in colorado city and is actually a fugitive that escaped from prison in 1982. Hold on. He escaped? He's not just wanted. He is an escaped from prison convict

with all these shit hanging over him and everything else. And he went here and boxed on television. He ran from Colorado to Florida. Well, not quite Colorado. We'll talk about it. He had a couple of stops in between. My Christ.

Yeah. This is fucking nuts. Right now, he says all he can think about is his friends. All he can think about is his girlfriend, Kathy, and all of his friends who've helped him. He said, quote, I feel bad about all the people. I didn't want those people thinking I was a phony. All those people who trusted me. And he said, and these people were fucking, people were stunned.

He was the most upstanding guy in the world. Everything else. McLaughlin is the guy who owned the gym that he went to in the beginning. He says, quote, we were in the Bahamas at a boxing tournament when we heard. We were shocked. The first thing we said was they got the wrong guy. Then the only thing I could think of was how can I help? Everybody wants to help him.

Medina here, he says he knows who called the the police but he doesn't want to say anything this is what he said in the press i know called the police but i don't want to say anything in case that person somehow winds up floating face down in tampa bay i'd be the first one accused holy shit i don't want to say anything which you know uh yeah he said quote capture was always on my mind i tried to put it out of my mind and i did a pretty good job of it for three years. Whoever turned me in tried to hurt me, but they helped me. They did something I wasn't able to do myself. So the police, the police guy in Colorado said that he received a tip last week that this guy that Medina was in was in Norfolk and was going to fight and had become a fighter and all that kind of shit. They said he escaped from a Colorado penitentiary

in Cannon City in 1982. I know exactly where that is. It's just North Colorado Springs. There you go. So they said that the TV coverage really didn't have all that much to do with the arrest. They got an anonymous call and said he'd be boxing in Norfolk,

and then they went there and waited for him to take his robe off and figured it out. And so that was that the call was from a woman that he had met in st petersburg he says that it was from an ex-girlfriend who he broke up with but nonetheless she kept pursuing him for a relationship he said quote i guess i made the mistake of telling her in the first place she had threatened me that if i didn't take her back she was going to turn me in If the police hadn't been tipped off, they wouldn't have caught me. Nobody ever recognized me.

So he's like this. If it wasn't for those meddling kids. He's got totally Scooby-Doo pulled his mask off his robe. Damn meddling. Yeah, it was a robe and then a mask. He's a different. It's a mask of his exact face. He pulls off.

It's the same face. Why? Why? You're stupid. So, yeah, the norfolk police were alerted they verified the tip by checking uh by checking a report on the fight quote in the local newspaper not too difficult to do but uh like i said they took his robe off and they noticed three characteristic tattoos norfolk police said quote we did not know if it was him for sure until we saw the tattoos they include a rose over his heart that's the one that they really knew of because it was

very specific the john on his arm and the a quote risque portrayal of a couple on his back he's got people fucking on his back which is an odd tattoo to have yeah so it's a heart a name and people fucking that is so much yeah i wonder hold on is he giving john the rose so they can fuck on his back i think so john take this rose and fuck me on my back john will you take this rose take this rose turn around bust off on my back please no no i want it on my back definitely jesus christ but they said the police said, quote, when we saw the rose, we knew we had the right guy. Before that, the ID was kind of iffy. So that was that.

And as a matter of fact, Roberto Medina isn't even his fucking name. What? Who the fuck is this guy? Yes. Who are we talking about? Well, his real name is John Garcia. Oh, that's his real name. His name is not Roberto Medina at all.

Your tattoo gives away, John. That's the problem. That's a long name. His name is not Roberto Medina at all. Your tattoo gives it away, Johnny. That's the problem. That's a long story. John Garcia, he's born in Price, Utah, moved with his mother to Colorado soon afterwards, grows up in Colorado. He's got a fucked up story, man. This is buckle up. By the time he's 14, his mother and father get a divorce which happens his mother's

new husband though uh is not having this show his mother's new husband says he wants him out yeah so he ends up out uh he he ends up leaving he uh he ends up being on the streets he said his parents his mother remarried his father never did he said, the man my mother married said he didn't want me in the house or around. He told my mother, either the kid goes or both of you go. So that was that. That's fucking, I guess. So he went and he went and lived on the streets. What?

That's what he did. He said, fine. So the kid goes. He took off. Yeah. She said, OK, I guess the kid's leaving then. And she let her kid go she he he said he would make his uh he said i'll be fine on the streets no problem there

was he rabbit yes the m&m an eight mile actually go but he's actually on the streets though because he's only 14 so i mean he said he slept on park benches he slept in cars and uh he ended up stealing he would steal groceries from shoppers as they put their as they took like put their carts to like pop their trunk open he'd run up and just grab a couple of grocery bags and fucking run away brilliant that's yeah until you grab the one with the clorox and the toilet cleaner what the fuck am i gonna do with this well i'm gonna be super clean that's it otherwise i don't know he said i don't even have a toilet he said my mother told me i would have to leave i was 14 and i thought i was a big man i said no problem and i left the house i lived with

a girlfriend for a while i lived in a car with friends here and there and uh then he says about his mother and we'll circle back to his teenage years he said a few years later while while he ends up doing time in jail he sent his mother a mother's day card on mother's day and and uh he said uh he sent a single plastic flower or two or whatever and she said he said that she uh he called home and she started crying on the phone and said what do you want what do you want and was complaining that he was running up the phone bill so he said he sent her money to pay for the call and then he hasn't talked to her since she would never take his calls again and that was that she said he said that was five or six years ago this because this is later i have no idea where my mother or father are now i guess i still have bitter feelings toward my mother i accepted what she did she stole my flesh

and blood so not great is what's going on here he's hanging out with junkies too he's hanging out with heroin addicts on the street. So it's not great. But in seventh grade, right before he leaves his house, is when he first got in trouble with the law. He was about 12 years old. It was an auto theft, and he called it joyriding. Same thing. Same shit.

When you're 12, it's joyriding. Because you're not going to sell it when you're 12. That's the thing. You're not going to part it out. No. You're going to fucking drive it around, hopefully not crash it, and then park it somewhere and run away. You're probably going to crash it. You're not going to part it out. No. You're going to fucking drive it around, hopefully not crash it, and then park it somewhere and run away. You're probably going to crash it.

You're not going to part it out and fucking leave it stripped somewhere. That's not going to work. Sell the catalytic converter somewhere. Yeah, somebody is in there. I got the catalytic. Oh, sweet, man. Awesome. Those are worth a lot.

Those are worth a lot, unless they're both on meth also. Right. It's weird that just the act of doing meth makes you knowledgeable of which car parts are worth money. Isn't that strange? Immediately. He just knows the street value of everything. You know, catalytic converters are worth a lot of money, right? Yeah, I think they are.

I don't even know what one is. I've never heard of it before. Google where to pull that. Take the computer apart. It's not working right. It's not working right. Take it apart. It's slow.

It's doing the wheel. Just take computer apart. It's not working right. It's not working right. Take it apart. It's slow. It's doing the wheel. Just take it apart. When it does the wheel, you got to just pop the box and take everything out and put it back together again and leave some of the pieces out, though, because I don't think they need all those. So, yeah, I don't trust Apple for a second. So he said it was an auto theft committed with a friend, and he said he was arrested pretty quickly.

His parents were called, and they never filed charges at that point. He said, quote, I think I was a good kid. But when you're thrown into a shark tank, you begin to act like a shark. I grew up fast. I ran with a bunch of people who were stealing. They used their money to buy drugs, but I was never into that. I just wanted to survive. So that make, I mean, if you're a teenager on the streets yeah you're just jesus christ survive he said that he tried drugs as a teenager because everybody did drugs but he didn't like it at all

he said he didn't like the feeling that they gave him he's above that so instead he just sniffed paint i'm leaning off with the with the paint that's my favorite thing in the world he goes true you know i just didn't like the drugs and what they did and the shit they brought down and the feelings that i got from them i just sniffed paint man it's like oh that's much better for you so when you when you add up 90 something amateur fights getting punched in the head 383 round times in 18 minutes by meldrick taylor and years of paint sniffing he's got fucking brain damage period yeah so not terrific so yeah he's always in trouble uh he gets we'll talk about these convictions he's got all

sorts of problems here he says quote when i was younger i deserved to be in jail sure i didn't know nothing i didn't care the only people in jail are fools and idiots you can't you can get away with something once greed will make you do it again. And again, until you get caught. I know I was a fool. My record speaks for itself. I'm at home in the ring. This is where I belong.

And then that's what he says. So that's, that's it. He says, this is, this is just a crazy thing that happened that, you know, I'm not that person anymore. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. So he ends up when he's in, I told you about the joyriding and all that sort of thing. So it becomes serious, though, once he's kind of, you know, he starts to be 15, 16.

His troubles with the law become serious. He says, quote, I was out there sniffing paint, doing shit and living alone. He says, I was young and on my own and did a bunch of stupid, reckless things. There was a check forgery charge we'll talk about later. He said, I never cashed the check, but I was sentenced to seven to nine on it, which he was. He said there were some theft charges, breaking and entering charge, assault charges. He talks about a breaking and entering charge on a car and an assault charge that the jury acquitted him of. And he says later, quote, I did shoot a man, not to death, but the jury convicted me of felony menacing, threatening someone. That's attempted murder.

Yeah. You're lucky. Be thankful, sir. Yeah, I would fucking say so. Wow. You think? Yeah. So he ends up, because he was only 17, he was sent to a juvenile detention center for the breaking and entering on a car.

He says, quote, but while I was in reform school, I had all these other charges pending. Yeah. So after a year in the juvenile center, his case came up for review, and they said that he'd messed up too many. He says, quote, they said I had messed up too many times. They said they couldn't keep me in the reform school, so they had to send me to prison. So they send him to me to prison. So, uh, he, they send them to minimum or medium security prison.

Right? So he's, he's 17. He's getting sent to prison, medium security. So he says, quote, I sawed some bars off and got out.

Holy shit. So he's a paint sniffing bar saw and fucking bastard. He's a bad son of a bitch. He's a bad ass. This guy. Yeah. I, he said they caught son of a bitch he's a badass this guy yeah he said they caught me about a month later so that is not great so then he said he was sent to a maximum security prison which obviously is a different story four or five years there is what he said quote i accomplished some things while i was in i got my ged i got a barber's license and

i got about one and a half years of college credit for courses I took. He was trying in jail, which I mean he never really had a chance. If you're not in the if you're on the street when you're 15, it's really hard to go,

I'm going to pull my shit together. You're going to be fucked for so long. Really study at night even though I don't have lights or, you know, things like that. I'm going to study by streetlight? Yeah, with the junkies. I'm going to have a junkie hold my book up for me

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about you know his record speaks for himself and all that shit so he was a a bit of a bit of a tear away yeah as i guess you'd call it a teenage kid here at this point but now he's in prison and not in prison he's escaping from minimum or medium security prison so once he's in maximum security prison here he is uh he ends up being transferred after a while because he did all those things right and that earns him good time or whatever so he's transferred to the work farm program in a minimum security prison and he would be there for another couple year or maybe two and then he's let out okay it's the step into leaving so he says about prison quote i was quite young in prison is a rough place i wanted

to protect myself so i learned how to box i guess i just got good at it which explains a fucking lot it's either that or christopher walken taught him out of a book in the basement while they shopped for Dr. Pepper in their own personal Costco. What the fuck? Fucking movie is crazy. So anyway, he says, quote, when I was in the joint, I didn't want to be known as no sissy. There was a guy there named West Side Willie. That sounds like a character. I want to meet

a scary man yeah i want to meet west side willie snaps and shit oh yeah and he encouraged me to start boxing they had a boxing program there and i did really well i think i had 50 fights and lost one so he boxes in prison that's his main amateur but again, here we're talking another 50 fights in prison in the 70s. So we're not talking top tier equipment, shit like that. We're talking worn down gloves. Yeah. Brain damage is what I'm getting at. Yeah.

Brain damage. Right. More and more and more. Yeah. Not sniffing paint instead of getting punched in the head. Right. You've loosened up all those brain cells with the paint. Let me come in and knock them down.

So he says he had lessons from two other former boxers who are ron lyle and dc barker and he said that uh other inmates fought against imported opponents is what they do they get fighters from the u.s air force academy and they wanted basically to use these prison guys as their sparring partners because u.s air force academy had like they have big boxing programs they're good boxers they're going to come in and just beat up some untrained prisoners i would not want to go fight a prisoner though those people are fucking nuts but if you're in a boxing ring yeah and you're trained and they're not they're going to fuck you up period it doesn't matter how mean you are if you're don't know how to not get hit that's a good point so yeah boxing evens everything out if it's every if it's in a ring with gloves on so none of the fights were sanctioned by any boxing organization it was just

a training thing quote on air quotes he says quote we were being used some of the guys played basketball and they brought teams into play against us big teams pretty good teams i can't say anything bad about it you know because look where it got me but yeah he was saying they were just using us as fodder which for them though it's better than sitting in a fucking cell or yeah labor or working in the kitchen or hold on this is how he learned how to fight this is how he learned how to fight wow in prison against air force academy boxing against real fighters so wow that's why when he came in and worked for two and a half hours they were like what the fuck no doubt there's a reason for that he's been doing this. He's an experienced fighter.

So, yeah, he ends up there. Somehow, by the way, when he got paroled for that little bit of time, that six months, he's boxing and getting paroled and escaping prison and going back to prison, being arrested 61 times. Somehow in that six-month period where he was paroled, he gets married. How does he have any time? That's what I mean. Where do you even find the time? Well, he married Julie, a woman named Julie, who was

also, they were both 24 at the time. And apparently later on she works at her mother's, she lives at her mother's house in Thornton, Colorado, I guess, and works in the construction cleanup business. And they said that uh this is they talked to her after he's captured and she says it's conflicting emotions triggered by his

capture she says she will file for a divorce now uh she says he has she hasn't seen him since fucking he escaped from jail we'll talk about how he did that she says that she will file for a divorce she says she admits she's angry and she has some bitterness over his decision to abandon her yeah she said that she's been even in more this is amazing she said it says quote julie has been even more incensed by reports of the man who supposedly has turned his life around she's not happy for him she's mad he's not a fuck up she said this is awesome this is such ex-wife this is only an ex-wife would be mad at you for being successful yeah that's the only person in the world but how fucking dare you

yeah that's who it is exactly there's like that's a good point that there's not even an ex-girlfriend ex-husband ex-ex-spouse is the only person who's angry at you for the one directly before you yeah oh yeah yeah that's the one two before that you don't give a fuck. You get married three times. The first one. First one you have fond memories of, I assume. No, that wasn't that bad. That divorce. The second one.

She was a bitch. Let me tell you something. Boy, she was terrible. She treated me shitty. But yeah, this is only an ex spouse could be mad about this. Just so. Wow. Wow.

She characterizes her husband as a smooth manipulator with a darker side. This is a great quote. Quote, it makes me sick and angry that they put him on a pedestal. What about what he's done here? This is reality, too. It's like, what about me? What about me? You fucking left me here.

Fuck him. So, yeah, they were only in the nine years they were married they were only together six months that he was out of prison and they're still legally married he says he's tried to serve her divorce papers but he couldn't find her got it which i think she was probably easier to find yeah than he was and he was because he hasn't seen her since shortly after he escaped from prison the second time from the from the work the minimum security, as we'll talk about. He escapes from Cannon City on June 25th, 1982. While he's at the honor camp here, it's the last step before they're released.

He's assigned to drive a water truck that sprinkles the dirt streets of the town, keeping the dust down. That's his thing here, which is, that's a shit job. But, I mean, it's better than prison. Better than sitting in a cell you'd be out there whistling oh forget it arm donuts arm up on the open window just loving the fresh air absolutely so one day he just drove to the outskirts of town like he's supposed to when he turns back and just doesn't turn back he just parks the truck he didn't steal the truck that's nice nice. Because it's a water truck. It's kind of distinctive. It's not going to go very fast. And they're going to just follow the trail of wet. He parks the truck and hiked up through whatever to a nearby highway and hitchhiked. Really?

And got the fuck out of there. In his prison gear. So he picked him up. In his prison gear. Yeah. Wow. He says, quote, it was an honor camp where I was. They'd pick us up and take us downtown to work.

I worked driving a truck watering the streets i had given them seven years and i wanted to leave so i left i gave them all i had it's like saying i didn't like drugs but i love to sniff paint they gave me seven years but i wanted to leave so you know i couldn't do it i got it a little short he said i didn't hurt anyone breaking out or anything i just walked away kind of not the point though kind of have to stay that's what the judge told you we'll find out in a minute but he was like seven months from release oh my god what an idiot fucking idiot so wow where does he go yeah and this is so stupid too because the first place they would look in this situation they go where's his wife and mother live yeah period and send a guy to their house two places first two places he hitchhikes to california to visit his wife because he's a fucking idiot so she though doesn't hide him

and end up getting caught that way she says she didn't want to see him anymore so he ends up going he says he knew he had a uh tampa he had a cousin in tampa so he went there and uh this other cousin said he didn't want anything to do with him either. So he hitchhikes to California, then makes it all the way from California to Tampa as a wanted man. How do you do that? Well, in California, he found on the ground an ID card with the name Roberto Medina on it. Wow. And it kind of looked like him.

So he's like, that's who I am. I'm Roberto Medina on it. Wow. And it kind of looked like him. So he's like, that's who I am. I'm Roberto Medina now. And he said, from that moment forward, there was no more John Garcia. Unbelievable. He just said, that's not me anymore. I'm this guy. Put that shit in his pocket and went to Florida.

Can you imagine? Can you imagine? That's how easy it was to be somebody else? Oh, Christ. Back then? Fuck yeah. Shit wasn't even laminated, for Christ's sake. God damn it.

It was just on a piece of paper with a picture stuck to it with glue. He's lucky it was still put together. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's amazing. But David just dropped that. He just dropped it. It would have been falling apart otherwise.

Incredible. So after his escape here, he says, quote, I said, hey, I didn't ask for no handout, is what he says, because he said he was turned places for help. He said, I took off. I wanted to go to the Florida Keys. I wanted to get as far away from Colorado as possible. No shit. By the way. Look at the map.

Yeah. By the way, if he had won that last fight in the amateurs, guess where he would have had to go for the Olympic trials? Colorado Springs. Colorado Springs. I think he threw that fight. Yeah. Because he can't go to colorado he can't go to colorado he's not allowed he wasn't gonna go to colorado springs ever he

would have had to go there for the olympic trials what kind of idiot that's why i mentioned that and wow so i think he said i'm gonna go ahead and not win this fight and just turn pro and not get busted not being colorado so it's not very brilliant it doesn't matter either way you're getting caught you can't run no it's really not i mean back then though he was fighting on television and still wasn't getting caught you had to feel cocky after your television debut yeah and you go out there so he said he wanted to get as far away from there as possible he said he wound up in saint petersburg by tampa there he said he got a job as a maintenance man at a hotel which was a block or so where he currently lives when he's arrested in 86 and 85 which is with his girlfriend and her

family he said he slept on the steps or in vacant motel rooms until he saved enough money to rent an apartment yeah the motel he worked at yeah so that's terrible that's awful he said that sounds so bad goals oh jesus he said i got a hold of the master key and i slept in the rooms i would wake up early and clean it up before i went to work which i mean fuck it if the guy works there give him that something if no one's staying there that night who cares let him stay there you have vacancy yeah if he's cleaning it anyway what's the difference let the fucking guy stay there so he says about his whole trip quote from california i hitchhiked to florida because i knew a friend in tampa a meat cutter he said i uh he said i had to turn myself in that he would go

better for me if i did but i couldn't stand it in prison and i didn't want to go back so he in florida this is amazing listen to this Keep in mind, escaped prison fugitive. In Florida, he found work as a school janitor. Oh, my God. What? So, in Florida, this is what I mean. Back then, you could escape from prison, just escape, pick up a fucking ID card off the ground from another state, hitchhike your way all the way to the other side of the country, and they'd around children no problem can you hold a group sure not just let you sweep they pay you to be around children be around the children unbelievable wow that is fuck talk about no background check jesus

christ so yeah he didn't want to go back to prison he found work as a janitor and that's when he became an amateur boxer yeah wandered into the gym to check it out. And there was that. And now brings us back to present day of John Garcia slash Roberto Medina. 1987. In prison. 86 right now. He's in prison, or he's getting ready to go back to court now to face this whole thing.

He lives in a nice little section of St. Petersburg. He has a girlfriend, Kathy, who's his girlfriend, and all this type of shit. He's got a whole life here. This is his girlfriend's mother says, quote, I've never been to a fight in 55 years. Here I am going to boxing, which I hate. Of course, you can hear me screaming for Roberto. Yeah. So she's showing them pictures of she has a whole scrapbook of him fighting. Of course, you can hear me screaming for Roberto. So she's showing them pictures of,

she has a whole scrapbook of him fighting. Of course. He's got a whole family and he made a whole life here. Now, people have reactions to this, obviously. They've known him as a different human being. His manager, Mike Bloomberg here, said, quote, he was dumbfounded. He said he knew Roberto as a real real friend just like a son is what he

called him and uh his manager also said quote quote it wasn't a dillinger escape he was like come on it was just a bumbling buffoon that just stopped the truck and kept walking he just should have waited right he said i saw him hitting the bag and i asked how come he hadn't turned pro and he said because no one had asked him i told him I'm asking you and we became the greatest of friends I guess it was because we were such good friends that he couldn't tell me and put me in a position like that I loved him and I think he loved me I think I had him to my house for Passover Seder and he read the prayers with my grandchildren he was like a member of the family so yes now his girlfriend said that uh she knew that she knew that about this other girl knowing and all that sort of thing uh but she said she got or he after he's been

arrested she said quote they're treating him real nice i saw him last night but today they said saturday was the only visiting day so they had they had been in a relationship for eight months here and uh when they are when they were in a relationship for eight months here and uh when they are when they were in a relationship for eight months he told her that he was a fugitive so she knew about this she said quote it was hard to believe robert was always a gentleman always soft-spoken so he would you know just kind of worked his way in as a handyman carpenter and all that sort of shit just made up a few details like i'm from fresno i fought on the street and blah blah blah and people are like whatever good enough man a few words man a few words who knows uh yeah he said he lived in san diego a little while and then he got in a little trouble and he left and he said

uh she said quote i left it at that i didn't pursue it he said he got in a little trouble and he escaped and i said whatever he seems like a good guy yeah find you a girl like that ask more questions ask more questions that girl is she doesn't she's not afraid of anything she's ever that song from the 50s if you want to be happy for the rest of your life never make a pretty woman your life I'm just saying I bet Kathy's not a looker she can't not being a dick I'm just saying she's got to just be a that song is obviously silly and funny funny, but it's a matter of they're basically saying that they're not going to try as hard, a pretty woman. And that's how guys think, by the way.

So women know that. The girl's not so attractive. We'll fucking earn it. Well, that's right. That's what they say in the 50s anyway. Exactly. That's what the five black guys in the 50s said. So literally, I don't fucking know exactly that's what the five black guys in the 50s said so literally i don't fucking know that's what that's what it was the guy named jimmy soul sang that song and uh yeah

anyway so yeah she said i left it that i didn't pursue it like wow that is real easy going yeah so you're an escaped fugitive huh so just colorado just okay i'll go to the movies later what do you want for dinner like so now you're here? Great. So now you're here? Excellent. Nice to see you. You want to hang out with my kids?

Unbelievable. So she said that she knew the man as a gentleman and just a gentle guy who happened to be a boxer. He told her he served seven years in prison, but was currently on a work release program. Yeah. And he said that, quote, she said, said quote one day he just walked out the door and never went back so that's what she thought he was in like a halfway house and he just kind of slipped away from the program that kind of thing she didn't know he was actually in physical custody

medium fucking security yeah like just doing a prison job so he had no trouble with the law in florida and uh they his girlfriend and his manager say that they think boxing helps straighten him out. Well, in hiding also. His girlfriend said, quote, he loves it and he was good at it. The boxing gave him something to look forward to. It gave him respect. So not bad. Not bad at all.

So their next door neighbor talked about the relationship between him and his girlfriend. She said they treated each other really good. they never argued or anything and they shared everything so uh they said that uh they the they were downstairs of her and she knew them that way he said quote i know johnny's story because he told me as uh he's been on his own since he was little people say bad things about him because they don't know him. He just used to hang around really bad company. So that's all. So did I, but I'm not wanted. That's what I'm saying right there.

I hung around terrible people and wasn't a great person probably either, but I wasn't wanted. No. And I didn't escape from a fucking prison program. So that's the problem. I've never been arrested, never been in prison. How about that? Jesus Christ. I've been arrested, never been in prison.

How about that? Jesus Christ. His boss in the construction business here that he worked for said, quote, excellent worker. They asked everybody. How was he? Excellent worker. Not even he's a nice guy. Excellent worker.

He was a strong boy. That guy carried trusses with me all day long. Then he went to the gym. Man, I don't believe all this. And I knew him about as well as anybody. So you're telling me that he worked like a prisoner? Yeah, that's what he worked like a prisoner. And that's the only thing that he has to say about him is excellent worker. Me and him carry trusses. Then he says, I knew him about as well as anybody. I don't think you know anything about him except that he can pick up the other end of a truss. I think it's about all you got on him. I don't know how tight you are are i don't think you guys are pals no it's it's kind of silly man now jacobs the the guy who was his

promoter that picked him up from the beginning he says quote it was an incredible scene and series of events that took place i was i suppose that it is quite an embarrassment after he was arrested he requested to speak to me and i did speak to him basically he apologized profusely and he wanted to make sure that this didn't affect us at alessi and didn't affect his friends he asked me to give the four thousand dollars prize money to his girlfriend okay well that was that he said he quote he kept apologizing and started to cry on my shoulder he said he was in for seven years and didn't want to go back which is why he left originally from the reaction i saw after the, he seemed resigned to the fact that he had to go back. It seemed like a big burden off his back.

And he said to me, if you play, you must pay. I guess it's time for me to pay. He realizes that now. Jacobs, though, he said he was totally surprised to discover he was a different human being, as most people would be, and a fugitive. to discover he was a different human being, as most people would be, and a fugitive. He said, quote, he was a good person, a good boxer, and just a model citizen in the time frame that I knew him.

He had to add that qualifier. In all that time, he was always polite, yes sir, no sir, and very intelligent about his boxing career. So, yeah, they said that they have him, the Virginia Athletic Association, all these people, they have the usual procedures were followed in identifying fighters. Jacobs said, quote, the precautions are that each fighter has to be licensed by the state of Florida

before he can fight here. They are fingerprinted and the prints are turned over to the FBI, but we've never had a negative report on a fighter come back. So I think they just throw them in a drawer. They don't give a shit, basically. It's not something they then run investigating they don't run through the database they don't care if they were wanted everybody would know especially back then it's probably a pain in the ass to run through the database now it's just you know snap your fingers

it's done so he said quote this guy was an established pro fighter uh i'd seen him uh this is another guy talking now he was an established pro fighter I've seen him five times on USA Cable. He was raided in the boxing computer. It's not like he was somebody who walked in off the street. There was no reason to run an FBI check. That doesn't even make sense. He's putting himself on TV. He's a clean cut, very well adjusted man.

It's like if Whitey Bulger got a talk show. They'd be like, that's not Whitey Bulger. He wouldn't get a talk show. That'd be silly, that's not Whitey Bulger. He wouldn't get a talk show. That'd be silly. That's fucking ridiculous. Obviously, he's on TV. Why would he do that? Why would we check to make sure it's not Whitey Bulger?

Just check and make sure everyone, do we know Oprah's not Whitey Bulger? She might be. We don't know. Very clever. Whitey going as a black woman. Pull the mask off. Smart. God damn these meddling kids.

Fuck. I really thought I was gonna get away with that one that was a good one whitey good one whitey jesus christ so this is a great line here quote he didn't have the best day you could have he took a beating in the ring and then got arrested it was one of those days i don't think it's not one of those days that sounds like everyone has that that day that's a good point i've never had that day it's a tough day where someone hit me 383 times and then i was taken to jail afterwards you think they'd be like we saw the fight and we're gonna you know what that's good you served your time sir wow so mclaughlin

his old trainer there called him the most even-tempered boxer at the club he said he never got into any fights never got mad he was one of the most law abiding. This is a great quote. He was one of the most law abiding citizens I ever met. Now I know why. He said he recalls one time that Garcia was driving once when a police officer pulled him over for a traffic violation. And he said to McLaughlin, quote, Oh, boy, I don't have my driver's license on me.

He said, but he was so cool. It was unbelievable. So he got out of being pulled over without identification and all that. Quote, oh boy, I don't have my driver's license on me, he said, but he was so cool it was unbelievable. So he got out of being pulled over without identification and all that just for being confident. Yeah, I'm on TV. Why would I hide? So, wow. So he says, McLaughlin says he feels the most sorry for the youngsters at the club who relied on Medina as a role model.

He said, that's the thing that really hurts. The kids looked up to him so damn much. They've been calling me up all day asking me what I can do for him. They still want me to believe in him. So he's beloved and all that. He says, you know, he stayed out of trouble since he worked there. He's been kind of under the radar except for the boxing. He said, you know, he thought the trip to Norfolk was worth the risk. He said, quote, 98% of the people who get out of prison go back for the same thing.

They look for you for a while, and they just figure that you'll be back. Once a mess up, always a mess up, they figure. But I didn't do a thing while I was in St. Petersburg. I got a ticket for driving without a license once. That's what we talked about before. That's it. I figured if I didn't get in any more trouble, no one would find me. I loved boxing so much that I guess I ignored the thoughts of being found out. I wanted to do it. I figured if it didn't get in, and if I didn't get in any more trouble, no one would find me. I love boxing so much that I guess I ignored the thoughts of being found out.

I wanted to do it. Sometimes you take a gamble and I guess I love boxing so much. I was willing to take that gamble. So here I am. I'm sorry. I disappointed some people, but I'm not sorry. I went to Norfolk for that fight.

We put on a hell of a show for the fans. I was hit 383 times. Wow. And then his final word to the reporter here quote roberto medina will live he's on his way okay you gotta he's not a real person or he is just some guy who lost his id in california he's living just fine yeah it's john garcia is the fucking problem here so yeah after his arrest here his lawyer uh his lawyer in denver brought uh he brought they brought in all these character witnesses because he has a million of them now so all sorts of people and box is saying that he's active in

boxing clinics and he helps kids and he's big with troubled youth and he's fucking you know he's a model citizen and you can't take him away from us and all this type of shit here uh there's a judge here who says yeah but he also needs to you know he escaped and he's serving serving sentences for forgery burglary conspiracy and felony menacing which is where he shot a man not to death as he says right but you know but you know he was hit so he did shoot him with bullets so i'm gonna say you sir may fuck off yeah uh yeah you're gonna go back for five years oh no you're getting sent here he was seven months shy he's getting five more five more but uh if he continues to earn credit for good time he may be eligible eligible for parole in 13 to 16 months okay so

that's not bad that's not terrible uh this is great judy sutton who's a fugitive coordinator with the colorado department of corrections said that he would be returned to colorado by the end of the week she said quote obviously we won't take him back in the honor camp i would say you're not welcome there you're not welcome to drive the fucking water truck anymore. So, yeah, they said after the things that he happened, there's violations of codes of discipline and escape charges, and he's going to be returned to the penitentiary in Cannon City. It's fucking crazy, though.

Yeah, he's serving all of his time, and he had seven months and 23 days left to serve before he was eligible for parole, which, who knows knows with all those programs he probably would have got that's so easy he was on his way there yeah especially he wasn't even in prison prison he was driving a fucking water truck people do that shit for a living right like on the outside 20 years yeah for like 40 years so i mean you couldn't do it for another seven months it's better than prison what a dick so they're talking about what's he going to do when he gets out. He's 30 years old. He's relatively a small boxing background compared to other guys that are 30 years old.

He also had to have arthroscopic knee surgery on his knee right after he got caught there. And he says that he knows he doesn't have a lot of time left in boxing. He says, I just want to push it as hard as I can for two years and get wherever I can get. I know I can do other things. I'm a good carpenter i can drive heavy equipment lots of things but i want to give boxing two years i love the sport how about let's figure out prison first calm down somehow he is paroled in june of 86 holy shit so somehow he gets out before 13 to 16 months incredible i don't know how he pulls this off, but he's out. And it's all legal. It's all legal.

He's paroled, legal and clean. June 6th, 86, the moment he gets out of jail, he legally changes his name to Roberto Medina. Really? Legally changes his name. So now it's even stupider that he has John tattooed on his arm. He's got to somehow get a really good tattoo artist to turn that into roberto which is not going to be easy uh not not not impossible not impossible the o is there yeah the guy's fucking set with that oh that j you could maybe turn into an r if it's fancy you could fancy it a bit that h could turn into a b you can do that and then the e and the the e and

the n if you made it depends on if it's curs. How's it say you could cursive it up? I don't know, man. You could possibly, maybe if you did like some strong block letters of Roberto, you just cover the whole shit up. Fucking all black. All black. Just fucking tough. So, yeah.

So, August of 86, he's out of prison. Let the fluff pieces fucking begin. No way. Oh, my God. Are these people going to hate... By the way, this is not over. There's a shitload more to come. Oh, my God. Are these people going to hate? By the way, this is not over. There's a shitload more to come. Oh, my God.

The worst is yet to come. Oh, my God. And anyone who's writing fluff pieces now is going to kick themselves right in the ass later on. It's bad. So he gets out of prison. Let's do it in their own words. Let's see what he thinks about getting out of prison, about all of his.

I mean, Jesus, he's got a lot stacked up so in their own words quote the other guy died the moment i left where i left the other guy stayed john garcia stayed in prison i'm not proud of anything i've done i've been through a lot it's i'm me now i'm happy i'm not two people i'm not that other dude that's all been disposed of. In other words, quote, I'm good now, is what he's saying, basically. That's the longest I'm good now I've ever heard in my life. He said it seven times in seven different ways. Just, I'm good now, would have sufficed. We all would have known who he was talking about.

So, he's set to make his comeback in September. So, right away, a couple months out of prison. I guess he said he stayed in shape in prison. But, they get to the fight in September. So right away, a couple months out of prison. I guess he said he stayed in shape in prison. But they get to the fight in September, and it was all scheduled, and it ends up being canceled because he hurts his shoulder in a sparring match right before the fight. So he hurts his shoulder, and they have to call off the fight. So he doesn't fight again until November. It's November 11th, 1986.

So he says, quote, I'm a little lighter than I used to be. I'm at 135 pounds. I'm ready. So he's fighting there. It's weird. In this article, they talk about him fighting a guy named John Wesley, but he never fights John Wesley. He fights some other guy. So I don't know if John Wesley had to cancel, and he

just said, fuck it, give me whoever you got. Because the guy he gets is a complete tomato can so anyway uh he's supposed to fight john wesley who's a four and six fighter and uh they call him a gutsy fighter and shit like that but in other words he doesn't have a lot of talent but if you hit him in the face a lot he won't fall down as easy that's what gutsy means in boxing so uh he says here that he knows nothing about this fighter he's gonna fight medina says yeah he says that he knows nothing about this fighter he's going to fight, Medina says. He says he knows all about himself, though.

He runs five and a half to six miles a day, then rides a bike at a health spa. By 4 p.m., he's at the gym working out for two and a half hours.

Three times a week, he returns to the spa at night to relax, and he messed up his shoulder, and he's been trying to heal that. He says the ultimate rehabilitation is the fight. He says, quote, I'm very excited about all of this.

I'm a little concerned about getting the show on the road. I just want to get into that ring and get to boxing again. It's time for me to fight. So he's ready to go. It's crazy, right? November 11th, 86, he's in Leesburg at the Snaps Lounge. He fights a guy. Everybody calls him bobby van uh

his real name is this is why they call him bobby van uh persephone van reenen p-e-r-s-e-f-h-r-s-e-p-h-o-n-e that's percy persephone van reenen is bobby van i don't know. He's 9-7 career, Bobby Van. 9-7 coming in, 9-15 career. And he lost the last nine fights of his career. Oh, no. So he had a bad time there. Not good. This fight goes all six rounds, which Roberto's going to be a little rusty,

but he wins by unanimous decision. That's great. 13-2-1 is his record. He says after the fight, quote, I was concerned about going the distance but i had plenty left it was a good test he was a tough fighter i was a little nervous but after the first round everything went out of my mind but the fight that's good but he says that uh he doesn't get paid very much to fight right now and that's that's why this is waning uh he says

he got 300 bucks tonight for his fight and his eyes all fucked up. So he's got a big fat swollen eye and 300 bucks in his pocket. That's going to be an urgent care visit. Yeah, which is going to, that's more than 300 bucks. It's gone. Just in an x-ray to make sure your skull's not fractured. He said, quote, I'll tell you one thing. I'm not fighting again for no $300.

I could deliver papers or bus tables for $300, but I have to get the show on the road. I have to prove I can still do it and that I'm still a crowd pleaser. I don't understand why I didn't get paid more, but who am I to understand I deserve more than that, but I got a box. So it's

shit, but I'm still doing it. He's 31 years old. He says he has two, three years left tops. He says, I don't want to sit and wait. I have bills I have to pay. Then when I walk out of here tonight, this $300 ain't want to sit and wait i have bills i have to pay then when i walk out of here tonight this three hundred dollars ain't going to pay a lot of bills welcome to the club motherfucker yeah he is this is comedy it's amazing this is stand-up comedy or independent wrestling well the only the only fucking place is this shitty where you could do all sorts of work

and travel and get three hundred dollars nothing fuck and be in the hole be in the hole on the trip stand-up comedy where every night's an audition and you never get the job it's fucking terrible never every day imagine actors out there you go on an audition every single night every night and you kill you crush in the room they love your reading and you never get the job you just have to keep going back the next day and doing the same fucking thing over and over again and you read the same script yeah you don't even get it's it's yeah same script that's what i mean over and over and it's like a bad groundhog day scenario that's comedians so that's pretty much this just getting punched in the face though so he says that uh but i love this

sport that's why i do this i get pleasure out of fighting and of looking good that's weird what the hell that means i'm not going to go to the beach and have some girl point to me and say that butterball is my old man no way that's ever going to happen man so he literally means not just looking good fighting he means looking handsome and svelte yeah he wants to be thin and and ripped yeah which is fucking amazing so he says uh uh he he says, quote, hey, I'm back. You write that. Tell them Roberto's back.

What? Or Roberto is now a person, really, honestly. Yeah. He's not back. Roberto's real. Roberto is a real boy, is basically what he's saying. Roberto's Pinocchio. He's Pinocchio.

Hey, it's a C. I'm a Roberto. I'm a Roberto Medina. And his nose grows long. I mean a John Garcia. And it goes back. Okay. It's a little leaf on his cheek. It's a little leaf.

So January 2nd, 1987, he's at Resorts International in gorgeous, disgusting Atlantic City, New Jersey, which is gross. He fights Terrence Ali who is 30 wins 4 losses and 2 draws coming in. That's not bad. That's a real fighter.

This is he's 52-15-2 in his career. That's great. Not fucking around and it goes all 10 rounds this fight.

So he's that's to go 10 is impressive anyway. Ali wins by unanimous decision though. Really? He's a good fighter. He's experienced and quite frankly he didn't spend a year and a half in prison in the prime of his

career and uh so this brings uh poor roberto here to 13 3 and 1 this is fucking crazy i can't believe we're still counting oh we're still counting it's it's gonna don't worry there's more to come okay so uh he says quote i didn't feel i't feel I was being beat up for 10 rounds. Going into the fight, people were saying, you're going to get killed. You're going to get killed. Well, I didn't get killed. He said he came out fine physically, and he said he's ready to go, basically. He said it was a setback being sent to prison.

He's not going to lie. He should be in a better place and things like that. But he says this fight against Ali was on ESPN. So that's good. He said the loss may have done more damage to his chances because he was on TV when he lost. Now, one of the sports boxing people, like the NBC television sports boxing people, said, quote, He looked good. He's terrific.

But you don't get a guy on national TV because of an impressive loss. It's to a point at major networks where you have to beat one of the top 10 or five guys to get on TV. So that's basically it. They're like, yeah, not interested. So he's going to be at this level of fighting $300 fights. That's his level. His manager said that he disagrees.

Jacobs does not agree. He says, quote, Roberto's last two fights impressed people who are respected and recognized in the boxing world. Anytime you fight one of the top guys and you get televised, your stock will rise as long as you look good. Yeah, that's true. That could be true. It all depends. Yeah. And I mean, he says, too, quote, this this Ali fight was my second fight in 18 months.

That's not a lot. That's very little fighting, said and i'm fighting the second best in the world and it's my first 10 rounder which it was too he went the distance the first time he was in a 10 round fight he said that puts a psychological hold on you and i didn't do too bad which he really didn't uh they said that uh they said uh quote roberto stock rose at an unfortunate time when he was arrested is what his manager said he was starting to do well he was in that meldrick taylor fight and then he's arrested but he insists that he's fine he says quote i don't feel 31 i've been sniffing paint i feel great he says my body feels like it's 24 or 25 i started late so i can go longer he says look at wilford benitez who's a former uh welterweight

champion he says he's 26 or 27 and look at him nowhere he was put to the wars early when he was 14 now he's slowing down it's like i haven't which is true too to a certain extent they say that with like uh like uh kids who played shortstop forever and then they start pitching in the minors they're like they got a strong young arm that they haven't been throwing innings for the last eight years. It's a different story. So they said that in addition to that, they said that there's not a lot of – basically, they're not – he's in for a tough road ahead to try to be famous. But he's good now is what he's saying.

He's fine, and everything's fine. So he fights again february 21st 1987 keep this date in mind too keep the february 87 in mind this is in san juan puerto rico yeah so he goes there and he fights angel hernandez who's a puerto rican too so they threw fucking batteries at roberto medina probably guaranteed i would say say. He's 21-0-2 coming in, this Hernandez here. So no losses. And in his career, he's a lefty too, which is always a problem. In his career, Hernandez ends up 40 wins, two losses, two draws.

Holy shit. So he will fuck you up, this guy. That's a badass guy. This fight goes eight rounds, and Roberto is stopped by TKO. And, yeah, this guy was gonna he's now the guy that the up-and-comers are fighting to make their name he's that guy he's turned into so uh that is february 21st 87 a couple months later he's pulled over yeah and arrested for drunk driving okay like a fucking Hey, guess what that is? Yeah. A parole violation. Oh, no. That's a fucking parole violation. He's sent back to prison for four fucking years.

Wow. Four years. He's got to go do the rest of his fucking sentence. Holy shit. Have fun. That's awesome. He did a year back in there. How stupid does he feel?

Ignore it. He did everything he got out. Everybody said what a great guy he was. He's such a good guy. Look at him and there's fluff pieces and his manager and everything else and then fucking drunk dry. You can't even not drink and dry.

Sniff paint. It would have taken them longer to figure out what was wrong with you. They might have just thought you were tired. Jesus Christ. I have gold all over you. I was just at work yeah i was working fine yeah great good he's probably working so it's a tired man yeah now can't even move his tongue yeah now he's he's sitting in prison and what's he gonna do now because now the people aren't gonna come help him there's no boxing promoters coming to get him out to work for them

and we need this guy and he's just sitting in jail on his ass hoping somebody would fucking talk to him he doesn't even care yeah and finally one day he gets a visit and it's kind of what he's been waiting for and it's vince mcmahon chairman or whatever the hell he is of the wwe and he says How is it you've come to arrive here? Yeah. What the hell are you doing here? I employ people over the years who've done some stupid things. Yeah. Don't get me wrong.

Lots of stupid things. But this, now, I think we can redeem you, though. I know the boxing people can't get you out, but they're not Vince McMahon. They don't have the power of Vince McMahon. Is that true? Listen. Yeah. You already have. I've clotheslined the Vince McMahon. Is that true? Listen, you already have. I've clotheslined the president.

Do you understand that? I have video. I've clotheslined. How many people? They've clotheslined me, whatever. It's happened, okay? Physical contact. You already have multiple names.

Roberto, Juan, whatever your name is. So you don't mind disguises and things like that. You're two seconds away from just taking your shirt off for no reason. You're my kind of guy, Roberto. I'm telling you right now. I got it. I got it. We'll put you under a mask because you're the fugitive. It's a secret. You're wanted. Plus, I think you're

a Mexican or something. Masks are good. Put those people under a mask and jump around like a bean and it's going to be beautiful. It's going to be huge. I have to go now. I have to work this idea out. By the way, they're all waiting in the car for me. I had to elbow Estevez out of the

way. He wanted this one. By the way, Dexter Manley says you're quote scrumptious. Goodbye. I got a poof. Poof. And in a poof of fucking wrestlers careers 1099s and denied healthlers careers. Ten ninety nine.

Ten ninety nine. And denied health insurance claims. Ten ninety nine for his dependent contractors is my favorite thing ever. It's a poof. It's a pile of them. So he stays in jail until 1991. He does every fucking drop of that shit. Every drop of that shit. Finally, he is released in 1991. He does every fucking drop of that shit. Every drop of that shit.

Finally, he is released in 1991. Ready to box. Ready to go. He says, quote, I can't describe how good it feels. It's wonderful. Now I'm out for good. I've served my sentence.

I'm not on parole. Nothing. Now I can get pulled over like everybody else and start from the beginning i was starting from fucking a space away from jail to begin with start on the other side of the board now i start back and go that was right next to that shit so he's out he's not on parole that has to feel feel good, I guess. I'm sure. Although you're... Now, think about this. What if he would have just boxed?

What if he would have, at 14, 15, if instead of wandering into someplace with junkies, he wandered into some gym somewhere, showed some promise, and somebody took him under their wing and let him stay at their house or something, a la Dennis Wise situation? What would have happened? Maybe he would have been a great boxer. Maybe he would have been a champion, and none of what would have happened something maybe he would have been a great boxer maybe he would have been a champion and none of this would have happened but instead in 1991 he is now uh you know 36 years old yeah and november 15th 1991 36 years old and guess what he's doing what he's boxing no way he is boxing valley sports arena roanoke virginia he's fighting

doug shambaugh who's 6-1 coming in, and he ends up 6-5 for his career. So it doesn't do well. Roberto wins by TKO in round five. Okay. There. So he's 14-4-1. So this is coming along here.

March 10, 1992, he's in Philly fighting Frankie Mitchell, who is 27-1 coming in. Yeah, Roberto's not expected to win this fight. I would say 27-1. And this fight, I remember seeing it in a bunch of the listings. It was on TV and shit. Again, he ended up being 30 wins and four losses for his career, Mitchell. So pretty tough fighter.

This fight goes 10 rounds of the 12 scheduled. It was a title fight. Mitchell's a champion here. And Roberto loses by TKO. Oh, no. But he goes 10. of the 12 scheduled. It was a title fight. Mitchell's a champion here. And Roberto loses by TKO. Oh, no. But he goes 10. Valiant effort. But he's older.

He's 36, number one. Sorry, too old for fighters. You shouldn't be. You don't have the same hand-eye. And it's a matter of... Right now. Yeah. Right now.

You're too late. That's the thing. No, too late. You get the two best fighters in the world. The difference between them is a fucking hair. It're too late. That's the thing. No, too late. You get the two best fighters in the world. The difference between them is a fucking hair. It's so small. It's such a sliver that a little bit of age and this much slower. You get your ass kicked.

It's the difference of life and death. Exactly. That's what it is. It is. It's exactly what it is. It's the truth. So that's why you don't see 75-year-old NASCAR drivers. Right.

Because, you know, a little slower slower guess what you do you end up fucking smashing into the wall and one of your wheels goes up and kills a spectator that's how it works a fucking mess and their necks are a little more fragile they learn yeah they crack and burst into flames i hear after they break jesus that was cold sorry a roman candle in there the man's spine was a roman candle do you understand oh fuck jesus christ who's 14 and 5 now uh that was march 10th 92 june 4th 92 he's fighting again just he's almost 37 now man it's come on he's fighting uh at the resorts international in atlantic city he's fighting Tyson tonight. Daryl Tyson. Yeah. And a stomachache from Tyson chicken.

Yeah, probably. Well, Daryl Tyson is 39-4 coming in, so he's no pushover. He's no Mike, but he's not a pushover. He ends up 50-14-1 for his career. So he ends up with 50 wins. Anyone who wins 50 fights, even if you lose 100,

you win 50 fights that's something that's great you know how to win right so this fight is stopped in round three and roberto loses he loses by tko of course fight stopped this brings him to 14 6 and 1 yeah and uh it's at this point he's nearing 37 years old he's now losing every fight he's in. It's over. And when you're also, the other thing, too, when you're 36, 37 years old, a beating takes a lot longer to feel better. Oh, God, yeah. Like, playing half-court basketball for a half hour takes a while to feel better. Right. So never mind getting the shit pounded at you for eight or three or any amount of rounds.

I've got my finger cooking when I was, like like 15, and it was healed two days later. Now it's like a month, and I've still got a, like, you can still see where the skin was separated. And it'll make your bicep hurt for some reason. You also have a lower back pain. Sciatic. What's the matter, bro? I cut my

finger cooking. It's fucked up. I can't sit. I still feel it. It's very uncomfortable. My toes are asleep. It's tough. See? What happens what happens it's really hard i haven't been able to get my dick up in a week that's how it works here i cut my finger so it's gonna take a break no it's not that bad but if you get punched a lot it fucking hurts and it's gonna take longer to heal sure and longer to feel better and everything else so he's got to really seriously take his career at heart at this point and he says that okay enough is enough okay i can't fucking do this anymore i obviously you

know this is stupid here um i'm gonna take a break so he stops he stops fighting in 92 and uh 14 6 and 1 is his career record seems like a lot longer of a career doesn't it because it spanned 30 years yeah well his career really from amateur to the end of the thing it went for 10 years and he only had 21 fights professionally out of that so it feels like it's longer when you put in prison time and everything else in the middle you know so uh he gets out of that he starts doing construction work he does some maintenance work hangs out in florida uh doing his thing you know normal just living a normal life acting like nothing

is happening here. Years go by. We'll talk about it. He's got some, he has some issues, a couple of issues with the law on a federal level that we'll discuss, but he doesn't go to jail and never gets arrested. He is skating through all the way till 2008. So we're talking 16 years since he stopped boxing. He's just been under the radar, doing his thing, being whatever. You know, as far as everybody knows, this guy, from the time he was a kid, he was a

shithead. He went to jail. He escaped. He found something that interested him, and he completely changed his life and turned into a completely different human being. It was all about helping people and all about doing things. He's got a tough life to start with. Had a tough life.

And he, and he apparently turned it around. Things didn't work out for me. I didn't make the best decisions, but from a moral standpoint or whatever you go, you know, he's not a bad fucking guy and he'd want him, you know,

whatever you root for him. Cause from that, from say 79 on, you say, good guy. Right. Right. Well,

not quite. No. Uh, 2008, he's arrested. Uh uh he is arrested for a felony sexual battery that occurred in uh in august of 1987 oh no august of 1987 right before the dui okay right before the dui right before he went to jail for the DUI. So it was after the DUI happened before he was sent back to prison for it. So in that time period, this happened.

It was a woman in St. Petersburg, a 51-year-old woman. According to the court records here, there's a match of his fingerprint at the home of this home in St. Petersburg. There was a 2009 deposition. This is fucking crazy. Florida cannot handle evidence for shit

because I read a big long thing about how basically 90% of the hair evidence they've ever processed in that state is completely full of shit. The hair evidence? The hair evidence. They just asked the prosecutor because they don't...

Hair evidence is all opinion unless there's DNA involved. Unbelievable. If it's hair comparisons, it's just opinion. So it's like a lie detector right you go what do you want me to find right because i can say he's lying or i could say it's it's inconclusive or i can say that those hairs match or i can go they don't have similar

qualities whatever you want and they said 94 of the time it was uh to the prosecutor's advantage the way the lab worked out with hair samples that's terrible well with with fingerprints apparently they fucked them up a whole bunch a lot of cases from the 80s got messed up later on including this one in a 2009 deposition on how the fuck did this guy not get caught until 2008 they said in the initial in 87 the initial investigation determined that the suspect medina here made a hole in the screen inside the window because they have a big Florida room in the back, which is like a big screened-in porch so mosquitoes and alligators can't get you. So he cut the screen, moved a can of insect repellent, and reached and unlocked the door and got access to the utility room of the home. reached and unlocked the door and got access to the utility room of the home uh then they said they in 2007 they identified a latent fingerprint from the can of insect repellent that he moved

as the right thumbprint of roberto juan medina which is his new name and uh that came up his fucking fingerprints when they ran it through the system finally then now the there was an issue with the fact that he uh at first the media reported a couple of wrong details about the thing and that confused people so there wasn't pressure it was a weird thing what ended up happening but these fingerprints got lost and got didn't get processed properly and a case from 1987 fingerprints weren't processed till 2007 so that tells you right there that is so sad that's a problem this was a a break-in sexual battery of a woman in her own home this should be investigated i would say you think so you know that could happen again oh by the way other shit happened in that area really right at that time

no let's talk about it shall we uh crimes all these there's crimes we're going to talk about all occurred within a four square mile area in 1987 a woman named eleanor swift was was uh killed in her home oh no in seminole which is about seven miles from st petersburg and uh also uh near the home of a woman named Opal Wheel, who is another woman who was murdered in her home, suffocated with pillows. Weird thing is strange thing. Opal Wheel had an interesting neighbor here, lived directly across the street from who? Yeah. Roberto Medina.

Yeah. What a fucking shocker. Yeah. Broke in the same way. Right. Same M.O. on the break-in, no sexual assault, but these were two elderly ladies and the first woman, the sexual assault victim is only 51 years old. These were

two elderly ladies. They were killed. They lived there. These happened on February 9th, 1987. Opal Wheel was murdered and February 13th, 1987, Eleanor Swift was murdered and and uh february 13th 1987 eleanor swift was murdered he had a match on january 2nd in atlantic city and then another match on the 21st of february in puerto rico he was there uh oh there's another detail yeah oh i forgot about something pretty important

uh they were murdered within days of each other both smothered with pillows from their own homes. No sexual assault with those two. But the thing is, they suspected Medina from the start, and they especially suspected him once they caught him, because there's a little thing where all three victims have in common, his and these two. All three of them had their wedding rings stolen. Wow. And he had her wedding ring. What the fuck ring he had his victim's wedding ring later on so so all three wedding rings were stolen same area he lived across the street what are the fucking odds do you think that a guy who will break into a woman's house and do that maybe broke in hoping that it was a different scenario

or whatever or even broke into this other woman's house and said later on and said oh shit she's not 85 she's not 85. She's young enough. I think I'm going to rape her first before I try to beat her up and got away, but stole all their wedding rings. That's disgusting. Which is a certain piece. That's a thing.

Now, the police, upon his arrest in 2008, 100%, to the point where they tell the press, that's our fucking guy for those two. He's our guy. We can't prove it right now the press that's our fucking guy for those two yeah he's our guy we can't prove it right now but that's our fucking guy now uh they're they're the the the problem is that now this the woman he raped and he tried to strangle her but she survived yeah that was the difference so he didn't just rape her and leave it was he tried to kill her the 51 year old 51 year old he tried to murder he left her for dead tried to strangle her she passed out oh god that's so horrible he thought she was dead and he left and that was that because he had killed the other two women with pillows which it's easier to kill an 80 something year old woman than it is to kill a 51 year old they're pretty strong still a little

more frail maybe not strong enough to box but strong so uh now the 87 murders they are linked by the police neither victim was sexually assaulted. They were both. 1987. 1987. I say 1887. There was just wasn't 87. I just wanted to.

Okay. There's 87 murders. Wedding rings were taken from all of them. The suspect in all cases was it was a Hispanic or Latino male. So this Jesus Christ, this is this is fucking crazy. So they the the first two victims rings were never found. And the police think that not only is he good for these two, but they said if he did these two, he didn't stop there. No.

Let's look at other cases because this is a fucking, this is a serial killer. This is what a serial killer does. And let's look at this, see where it's spread out. So it's pretty fucking interesting. So he had, like I said, the wedding rings were taken. I guess apparently there was a lot of elderly. There's a lot of elderly women in Florida. More than your average.

So more than your average get murdered. So it's kind of hard to. Plus, they're easy pickings. Yeah. Old ladies are easy fucking pickings for criminals. Yeah. You want to roll somebody or anybody. Hey, guess what?

My grandmother, my great grandmother, which we talked about on small town murder, lived in Tampa. And this was 1990. She was murdered in her house just like this. Same thing was tied up and had her throat cut and was robbed. Same shit. So, I mean, this was very common back then. This is like the chosen

way to get money if you're a crackhead you just rob old people so uh it's it's pretty crazy now there's a detective from the pinellas cold case homicide unit that says quote you have to be a pretty sick individual to do something like this there's no question about that and the most obvious statement ever fucking made so pretty much got to be depraved and horrible. Yeah, you know, you got to be a pretty bad guy. I'm going to go out on a limb, not a nice person. So it's crazy. Probably not a very law-abiding American.

Yeah. I want to go ahead and say not a law-abiding American. I'm going to say he's not the guy who's going to offer to bring burgers for the barbecue. It's not this guy. He's just not. He'll eat your burgers. And he might rape a couple of them, but he's definitely not going to bring them himself. So the detective said that each one of the ladies lived alone.

They were previously married. They had a lot of, you know, whatever. The similarities between the two elderly women are exactly alike. They had the exact same type of house. That was the thing. Their houses were the exact same design. This certain 1960s style house from around there that had the concrete block with the Florida room in the back.

It was a standard kind of build. And so that was kind of, he knew all of those three women had the same style house. All the same floor plan. So that's what he was looking at. They were suffocated and strangled, these women. So the strangling goes with his strangle of the other women and uh their bodies were found still in their pajamas which is fucking crazy and they happened very close together so uh they said the wedding bands a police officer here the detective says quote it's probably a trophy

not too much value to it not a high-end ring like that robbery was not the motive it's some kind of trophy which is the obviously the fact here terrible thing to say about an old woman murder yeah it's a trophy the wedding ring is a trophy of this yeah something she got in the in the and then this was in 1987 that wedding ring she probably got it in the 20s right literally like it's it's very small it's a band it's a bit yeah it's just a gold band now the in each case they said the killer came through the back door grabbed a pillow from the living room he uses a murder

weapon in one crime scene photo you can see the hit killers handprints on the carpet where he crawled to the couch you can see like where he did he crawled made his way in and not handprints like you can see indentations of where he was walk that's so horrible on the fucking carpet and creeping in over yeah because old people like to like rake their carpet perfectly over the couch to get the pillow to then sneak

in so grossed out it's fucking terrible so uh the the uh they said that the detectives most likely uh probably spoke with him uh they know they spoke with him because they did more than 100 interviews with people in the neighborhood and they've talked to him investigating all of those crimes so the one he was convicted of and the ones that didn't go so uh they say that it's roberto medina though uh and they they were shocked when they found out we think it's that roberto medina And they're like, he's a fucking boxer. And then they looked at the rest of his story and they're like, what the fuck is going on here? He's barely a boxer, guys.

Yeah, it's fuck, man. They said this is what a detective here says. Quote, he knew exactly that they lived alone. It was not a random act. He knew about them before getting into the house. So they're saying that he was, you know, whatever. before getting into the house so they're saying that he was uh you know whatever they're saying that he is uh now that they have him in on this rape charge they're going to try to uh you know try to pin these other murders to him from that way that he says detective said quote there's just

no way to know what's in his mind at the time because they were like why would someone do this well who the fuck knows it's disgusting it's a horrible thing to do. So there's also a set of 1970s murders in this area, but they're linked to a black male, and these two are linked to a Hispanic male. And also he was in and out of jail in Colorado and had no ties to Florida at that moment in time. So there's no way he could have done those. But in 2003, they said that they're they uh in the eleanor swift case this was this is the the one he actually was convicted for the rape he uh he is

uh they said that he they they had uh fingernail scrapings and they finally tested him in 2000 goddamn three jesus which dude that's a little long i think that's i'm sorry eleanor swift was one of the murder victims okay not the uh i'm sorry eleanor swift was one of the murder victims okay not the uh i'm sorry not not his rape victim and so they took fingernail scrapings uh finally in 2003 and found that they were empty so that's how that's how swiftly the wheels of justice are moving in florida if you rape and kill an old layer if you strangle and suffocate an old lady in 15 years they might scrape under her fingernails and not find anything yeah to see if your dna is there so how did they fucking miss this shit right that's a pretty good thing here uh well they

talked about uh they talked about this in there's a deposition that we talked about a second ago and they said that uh they did initial fingerprint testing that didn't lead anything and then had the fingerprints analyzed again and it got Medina. So they asked him that, you know, the detective said he picked the case up as a cold case and tried to just see if he could do something with it. And they said eventually,

he said he came up with a suspect and he said it began in 1994, which is still seven years later, by trying to have the evidence analyzed at the Floridaida department or whatever the fuck we weren't able to get anywhere at that time because of the technology then in 2007 i reopened it by having another uh whatever this is organization uh section rerun the fingerprints and that's how we identified medina from the search on a latent print that was lifted

off an insect repellent can at the point of entry above the burglar. And they said, why the fuck wasn't this picked up before? He's been in prison all over the place. He's been in state prison. He's in the system. He's fingerprinted all over the place. Pray tell, Florida authorities, what the fuck? What the fuck are you doing? It's true, though.

He's been fingerprinted by the boxing people. He's been fingerprinted fucking in prison. He's been fingerprinted by the boxing people. He's been fingerprinted fucking in prison. He's been fingerprinted everywhere. His prints are on file. Jesus Christ. So they said, you know, what the hell,

what is that about? And they said, so his fingerprints have been on record from way back. And this guy says, well, you'd have to ask

the fingerprint guy, but it has to do with the sensitivity of the software and the way in which latent examiners code the fingerprints. You know,

and he's on break. Yeah, he's smoking. He so come back some other time. He's out back smoking. Are we almost done with smoking? When you're done, come in. They got a question. He's going to be a while. It's not important. Don't worry. Just finish your cigarette. What the fuck are we doing, dude? He's over there with that cheeseburger on the fingerprint machine.

Yeah, those greasy fucking cheeseburger fingers on it. They said, you know, it depends on the quality of the depends on the quality of the fingerprint and the quality of the latence that's been entered by the examiner so you could have prints we've had many cases where we've had prints on file of people who had an arrest who had arrest prints that were made at a later date because of the sensitivity of the system when they were entered so they said so they asked him so basically his fingerprints or the unknowns

had been run before and he said yeah they Yeah. And they just missed it completely for 20 years. That's a better answer. How many other people would happen? So they fuck up. Yeah. So they said his his his prints are in the FBI database because of the software or hardware or whatever. It didn't show up. And he says, yeah, that's correct.

That's my understanding. But it would be better to get someone who's an expert to figure that out. So holy shit, holy shit. Dude. Okay. First of all, everybody's got to feel like shit who had this guy's back. For sure. His wife, most of all, because his girlfriend at the time was, oh, he's such a good guy and he just had a prison.

Meanwhile, he's out raping a woman before he goes back to jail. All these articles about what a great guy he is and all these fluff pieces. He's literally definitely raping one woman and possibly murdering two others and god knows however many more jesus christ man and that's terrifying you gotta feel for bad for a few of the fucking people who felt bad for him because they didn't know any better and what the hell do they know i feel bad for the old ladies because i mean the city they should have have protected them. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. But not nearly. Not nearly as bad as I feel for John Garcia.

Oh, God, this is so deep. Vice President, Global and U.S. Business Operations at Analam Pharmaceuticals in Massachusetts. John Garcia, Manager at J. Garcia Investigations and Protections, LLC. He's a former LAPD officer there for years.to medina uh dr roberto medina excuse me md cardiologist in florida he's even in florida you look up roberto medina florida and that guy comes up you get that guy and rapist impossible serial killer and finally roberto medina ceo global moving and relocations. I thought that was appropriate for this guy in the greater New York City area. And one more, just because this is too shitty to be anything else. Roberto, quote, Flaco Medina, a welterweight boxer.

What? From Mexico. Wow. Same weight and everything. He's 6-1, this guy. His last fight was a unanimous decision loss loss on september 6 2018 so he might be done we don't know uh 2010 though here he is uh roberto is uh up for obviously he's finally up for sentencing on this thing it's a no trial he's adjudicated guilty i don't know if it was a plea

or whatever it's a felony sexual battery here uh he uh he ends up going uh he but what ends up happening is when he's brought up for that they find out from his fingerprints oh we have other shit yeah not the shit we're looking for but uh you robbed a bank in 1996 motherfucker you robbed a bank in 1996 that was you guess what we're rolling that into this too guess what else you did money laundering good christ you fucking money laundered in 2002 so guess what more federal charges asshole so they're gonna roll a 1987 sexual battery which is a plea deal and as a result of this plea because they had all these federal charges over him that they all of these things would be served concurrently in federal prison oh boy concurrently in federal prison here so that is that is the deal uh he is sentenced to prison

uh he is i believe that we never get an exact sentence but from what i see i believe it was a you sir may fuck off i think 15 years okay which is not bad yeah for a fucking break and enter rape and bank robbery it's pretty decent either one of those should get you more than 15 fucking years i would say in 2000 that was 2010 yeah in 2015 he's released what from federal fucking prison and placed on probation for his federal crimes my fuck so what, don't worry. July 20th, 2016, he's booked into the Pinellas County Jail by the U.S. Marshals, United States Marshals, to put on a hold.

They just want to know where the fuck he is. There's something cooking with this guy. He's put on hold and released. So, they literally bring him in. He is projected release date none he was released at 8 a.m on a on august 20th uh 2016 so he was released the day he was brought oh no they they kept him for a month they brought him in on the on july 20th at 5 39 p.m and he was released on august 20th at two uh at eight o'clock a.m. So they kept him a month for just a hold is all they would call it.

Constitutional hold? Something. Whatever they're allowed to hold him for. Yeah, I think it was some kind of, I don't know what it was. Because he's on probation and it's for a federal crime. So they can come yank him at any time for really anything just to say they're investigating him. Right. Whatever they want to do.

Now, according to some websites i found here and that i had to pay for uh medina here he uh he was supposed to uh appear in tampa federal court in uh 2016 right after that there uh is the criminal docket they're they're charging him with probation violation and uh he is uh there's a sex offender registration here that he is on. I found his sex offender registration page. Yeah. Let's look at all of his fucking aliases quick, shall we? He's got a bunch of them because he's a money laundering, bank robbing, woman raping, fucking

you name it, prison escaping asshole. John Edward Garcia, John Garcia, Roberto J. Medina, Edward John Martinez, Roberto Medina, an escaping asshole uh john edward garcia john garcia roberto j medina edward edward john martinez roberto medina john sornin i don't know where he pulled that one out of his ass from john sornin uh because that sounds not made up right sornin that sounds like a real name sounds real spanish they said like you like sornin sornin yeah i like. I'll be white today. Just be a super white dude. Edward Martinez, Roberto Madina, M-A-D-E-I-N-A. Okay. Robert Charles Madina, Ed Martinez, John Lovato. Now he's Italian.

He's Demi's grandpa now? What is that? I guess. Lloyd Garcia, Ed John Lovato, and Floyd Garcia. Okay. Those are his fucking aliases. He's got to stop it. Dude.

It's too many. Also, on his sex offender thing, as I can show you here, I can pull it right up, his address is on there. Really? His home address. Let's not do that. Come on. I'm not going to read his home address.

If you want to look it up, it's on there. It's right there. I mean, it's fucking public records of his sex offender list and if you live near him someone's brought that to you that thing but i'm not gonna read anybody's address obviously not good but it's on there and it's fucking weird i have a quote from him that we can kind of end this on here he says uh when they ask him before he's obviously arrested for all the rape and all that sort of shit they said ask him you know what what does this all mean to you? And he said, quote, I'm not going to come out and tell my son what I did is nothing to be proud of.

Some people come out of the prison system and make something of themselves. I think I'm one of them, but that doesn't make me proud of what I did. I'm sure my son will find out eventually. And if he asked me, I'll tell him I made a few mistakes and I paid for him. Well, don't you worry, John, Robert, whoever the fuck you are. We'll tell him i made a few mistakes and i paid for him well don't you worry john robert whoever the fuck you are we'll tell him right now we got this covered you don't need to do it we'll take care of it for you we'll take the burden off of your shoulders google's you he'll find out all about you yeah this is going to come up first because this guy is hard to fucking find

man he's not a he's not a real famous guy somehow this is not a huge story this is i mean this is a crazy fucking story uh can't get enough yeah well like i said his his uh his address is on the sex offender registry so if you hang out by his house long enough maybe he'll rape you enjoy i don't know what to tell you other than that i can't really help you with much else if you look on youtube there's some of his fights and uh who the hell cares fuck this guy uh but that is roberto medina aka juan slash john garcia he lives he lives man and he dies and he kills and he fucking rapes and he does everything else so well we don't know if he kills but he definitely rapes yeah so that is uh that is that story. Is that one of the craziest fucking stories we've ever encountered? Yeah.

Like, I couldn't believe this shit when I because I was into it. I was just reading the story when I first got into this case of a guy who was like this fugitive that no one knew was a fugitive. And he became this boxer. And then they caught him and then they put him back away. And then he came out and he boxed a couple that was the story for me like i was cool with that like as a story he's arrested 61 times i kind of went into the details of some of that shit now he's coaching boxing yeah whatever it would have been fine more like a willie mays aiken story

like type of thing except except with a hidden deal and then i see two then it adds a whole new layer when i see he's arrested for cold case fucking rapes what a gross uh and added part to it possible serial murder of elderly women he stole the wedding ring so this is fucking insane god damn it's fucking insane one thing i will say yeah the the and this has been brought up and dismissed, in 1997, his prints, Roberto's prints, were in a group of prints that were processed in trying to match them to those two murder cases. Nothing came up in 97, but nothing came up on the prints of the case he got busted for then either because they didn't have the technology yet so that that's what they're saying there's a lot of people out there if you look on a message board where they go deep there's people saying this is bullshit he was he was uh ruled out as a suspect in 97 when his prints didn't match up but that doesn't fucking matter because in 97 they didn't know how to fucking match prints up they ran his prints several times

and didn't catch it till 2007. So you know what I mean? It's fucking crazy. We don't know what happened. People are out there. Sleep tight. That's what I'm saying, basically. That's that. Lock your doors.

Lock your doors. I don't know. Close up your screens. If you live in Florida, move. I don't know what to tell you. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. But yeah, he's out on the street as we speak right now.

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