Crime in Sports - #177 - Did Rocky Shoot Adrian? - The Impetuousness of Paul Spadafora

Episode Date: September 17, 2019

This week, we wander down a path of crazy, with more idiocy jumping out from behind every door. He came from a terrible situation, and tried to make Pittsburgh proud, by becoming a champion. ...Problem is, he also became a drunk, a crack head, and someone who would shoot his girlfriend, and put a 63 year old woman in a head lock, for no reason. Not to mention his penchant for intra family rumbles with just about anyone he's related to... and that's just the start of his storied record. He never learned. He still hasn't. It's Paul Spadafora!! Start drinking at age 6, stab your brother with a 10 inch knife, then threaten several members of the Pittsburgh Police Department with Paul Spadafora!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:25 My name is James Petrogallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you so much for joining us again on another wild, crazy, literally always death-defying, insane edition of Crime and Sports. I gotta tell you, the last few weeks we've had Dennis Rodman, we've had Kerry Von Erich.
Starting point is 00:01:40 These are a couple of very requested episodes. And they're wild. Not gonna lie. I mean, Jesus, Kerry Von Erich. That was pretty crazy. Not a lot of people, not a couple of very requested episodes, and they're wild. I'm not going to lie. I mean, Jesus, Kerry Von Erich, that was pretty crazy. Not a lot of people, not a lot of our athletes continue their careers sans both feet. It's not a normal career path for them. Dennis Rodman is Dennis Rodman. I mean, like we said, human peacock.
Starting point is 00:01:58 Tonight we have a story that is as crazy or crazier than any of the stories we've ever had, but you've probably never heard it before. This is insane. Never heard the story? Never heard the story, or probably, unless you're a real big boxing fan, you probably have never heard of this guy before. But wow is his fuckery on just an international superstar level, let's just say, his noodnickery.
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Starting point is 00:04:49 got to tell you this we're comics so we put a lot of the live show's funny we're not just there to fill up uh fill up a room on the stage for an hour and a half this we want it to be the best show the best comedy show you've ever been to that's our goal every time we go out on stage a lot of people go see different podcasts we're not going to mention any names because it's spread across the board pretty far they'll go to see a live podcast they'll go i don't know if i want to see live podcasts because i went and saw you know xyz podcast and it wasn't any good and you know whatever and it's like these people most of these people aren't comedians. So if you go to a live show of two people sitting on a stage trying to be funny for an hour and a half who aren't comedians, you should not expect that to be good. You should go, yeah, this is exactly what I expected.
Starting point is 00:05:37 They had about eight minutes up front and then the rest of it is really fucking dull. And they don't know how to hold a crowd and they don't know when to go here, when to go there. Because they're not comedians. They don't have experience. You wouldn't just throw someone in a kitchen and be like, there you go. Run the kitchen tonight and then expect everything. We got cameras on you. Make it fun. And then just sit there and go, well, my meal wasn't that good. It was weird.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Like, well, yeah, that's not what they do. At home, they can cook a little bit, but they don't run a professional kitchen and that's what being on stage is. It's the equivalent of running a fucking professional kitchen and we can do that and a lot of people can't. So come see us at a live show. Don't let any experiences you've had with anybody else ruin you to a live show.
Starting point is 00:06:11 So never mind all that, though. It's time to get down to business. Right. Because we have one of the most wild stories going. By the way, at the end, stick around for a rant on Tim Tebow because he is in my... He is up in your hate crosshairs. Oh, boy. Well, let's not use hate hate cross oh boy well it's not just let's not let's not use hate or crosshairs let's not say that just say he's a wild hair that's up my
Starting point is 00:06:31 ass at the moment that I would really like to expunge so uh yeah let's let's keep this going here let's talk about a boxer uh-huh a crazy son of a bitch let's do it. Paul Ross Spadafora. Paul Spadafora. Have you ever heard of him? Okay. This is the closest. I will say this. A lot of the reason for his constant fuckery, I feel like, has to do with the fact that he's an Italian guy from Pittsburgh. So, A, Pittsburgh is very, very, they're very you gotta love western pennsylvania for this
Starting point is 00:07:07 they're very loyal to their sports heroes they liked joe paterno i mean till like yesterday yeah you know what i mean oh they loved him even on his death that's what i mean so i'm saying like and that's not an insult they're just loyal they're loyal people and especially the italians there are the most they're like old their families were their grandfathers were coal miners and shit they're like salt of the earth old school Italian people and when there's a sports star from there who's Italian holy shit will they support them Bruno
Starting point is 00:07:33 San Martino he's not from there but he lived there for 50 years and that was his home and Dan Marino's from there they fucking love Dan Marino it's just one of those things like and this is another kid that comes up. He's a southpaw boxer. So, I mean, automatically, he's Rocky.
Starting point is 00:07:50 He's an Italian kid who's a boxer, so they all call him Rocky. And the support of the community, I feel, does him no good. Later on, it really doesn't. It leads to fluff pieces. To his detriment? It's very much to his detriment. It leads to fluff pieces detriment it's very much to his detriment leads to fluff pieces and silver haired we'll throw a different silver greasy haired white men popping into everything
Starting point is 00:08:10 here and by the way i will be making fun of tons of italian stuff this week and i can absolutely do that and you can't say a word about it because my last name is petra gallo my mother's maiden name is fortino i am a fucking guinea as it gets. I can say anything I want. It's wonderful. His best name is Spadafora? Spadafora. Paul Spadafora. His father's name, Silvio Spadafora. Really? Oh, Silvio! Get over here. What are you doing, Silvio? Oh, my word.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Oh, yeah. Paul Spadafora, known as the Pittsburgh Kid. Yeah. That's his nickname. Dab the marinara in your cheek. Oh, he does that. When you say that. He puts a little behind his ear. No, I mean. It attracts the good. With a napkin. You got to wipe your mouth when you say his name, though. Yeah, you do.
Starting point is 00:08:49 I got a little grease. What, did I drop a cavatelli on my lap? What happened there? What's going on here? I'm telling you, though, this is, Jesus Christ, man. He's born September 5th, 1975 in Pittsburgh, of course. He's Mr. Pittsburgh. I'm sure Pittsburgh at this point would probably like to disassociate that.
Starting point is 00:09:06 But still, it's not quite here. His father's name is Silvio. His mom's name is Annie. So I just picture this household just with the fucking Western Pennsylvania. Lots of screaming. Lots of belts coming out. Oh, I know. Just a lot.
Starting point is 00:09:19 Annie! Oh! Go on down to the bedroom. I'm going to put a kid in you, all right? No, I'm going to put a boy. He's going to come out punching. So watch out, Annie. You're not even going to down to bedroom. I'm going to put a kid in you, all right? Now I'm going to put a boy. He's going to come out punching, so watch out, Annie. You ain't even going to have to push. I'm telling you right now.
Starting point is 00:09:30 The punch is way out. Come on. Hey, from over there, I can do it. I'm telling you. I'm virile, Annie. Virile. So go on down the room. That's how they'd say it in Alex Scranton.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Go on down to room. I'm going to put a kid in you. That's one word. Annie! Oh! Down to room. You fucking. that's how they'd say it now like scranton come down the room i'm gonna put a kid in the word eddie oh down the room you fucking you fucking ski folks get over here fucking screaming one of those words is that a real word it's they make their own combinations and it's a long story all these this all half of these all these ital Italian insults are like half Italian sort of English. They've kind of been like hodgepodge over the years through this thing.
Starting point is 00:10:13 And it's what your uncle would call you for some reason. It's scaphos. It's just, well, that's more of a skanky type of. So anyway, Paul here. Hey, you don't call an eight-year-old that. He was calling his wife that while he was trying to impregnate her that's the that's the siren call jimmy that's the skyra siren call of the of the uh of the urban italian male oh get over here i'm gonna put one in you come on go on down the room i told you you fucking who are you fucking that's how you
Starting point is 00:10:43 speak to your wife when you want to get romantic and And she says, oh, Silvio's feeling, oh boy. She gets right in. He is horned up. That's, that's the Italian. It sounds hard. And this is, we're talking seventies. Yeah. So, I mean, you got to picture him with like a, you know, with the, with like a Saturday
Starting point is 00:11:02 night fever hair also on top of this screaming and yelling it's a fucking mess over here just out of the out of the two top done button buttons that's what i mean and they end up having three boys wow so he's the paul's the middle child here they have three boys i think one of them is because one of them charles isn't is his half brother i think that's his mom's kid without his dad all right i think that's his mom's kid without his dad. I think that's possibly the older one. Okay, before. Before. But either way, this situation, three cutaway guinea kids running around.
Starting point is 00:11:34 In the 70s. Three boys. Early 80s. This is where the mothers would sit around and talk about methods they use to beat the shit out of their kids to keep them in line. Well, I got three boys, and I'll tell you what. Brass knuckles are not a bad thing. Oh, she does. They're not the worst thing. I take a platter,, and I'll tell you what. Brass knuckles are not a bad thing. Oh, she does.
Starting point is 00:11:45 They're not the worst thing. I take a platter, and I whack one on the head. It's so loud, the others run away. And then I got about 15 minutes to myself. I swear to Christ. Until he comes to. Until he comes to, and then it's all right. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:11:57 This is how shit was dealt with back in the day, you know? So it's an interesting thing here. Paul says he had his first drink with his dad when he was six uh his parents both have substance abuse problems his dad has uh alcohol and drug problems his mother same thing on and off with his mom his dad gets into it pretty pretty heavy here as we'll talk about because one day young paul woke up at nine to find out that his dad died of drug overdose oh my god not great nine years old that's not how you you want cartoons some lucky charms in the morning you
Starting point is 00:12:30 got dad's dead uh yeah on the couch what no one of his brothers found him in the claw in a closet oh my god yeah so uh drug he was probably doing drugs that's what it was so uh yeah not great spataphora goes he stays with his uh he temporarily lived with his stepmom for a while because they were living with his dad at the time oh so he stayed with his stepmom for a little bit because his mom was not doing much better at the time here um pretty much his older brother was the uh was the he was kind of the the figure that he would look up to at this point that's all he had because i mean his mom wasn't really dependable and his dad was dead so there's not a lot to
Starting point is 00:13:11 depend on here uh he says once they moved in with his mom it was very unstable he said you know they'd they'd come home from school and the door'd be padlocked and they didn't pay the rent so they got kicked out and evicted and the you know sheriff came and of course took all their shit out it's like a kind of like on the wire it's like a real dookie situation where he comes home and all the shit's on the porch and he's like man not again again again oh it happens like three times a month good lord oh yeah they would take him they would take him like rent's not even due yet how are you evicting you the teacher we heard you got evicted out of your last place to get the fuck out well the teachers would send like kids home here's clothes for dookie because we know he has no clean clothes and blah blah they'd be like yeah we can't we couldn't give
Starting point is 00:13:51 them to him because his parents answered and they'll just steal them and sell them for drug money so what his clothes yeah it's bad eventually dookie ends up homeless uh hanging out with heroin addicts who collect like copper and shit sounds right and uh he runs into one of his friends and has the most classic line in the history of television where he's homeless and he says, I'm outdoors now, which is the most optimistic way I've ever heard of saying I'm homeless. I'm outdoors now. Sounds like you're just into nature at that point, doesn't it?
Starting point is 00:14:19 Yeah. Well, I'm outdoors now. Yes. It's exhilarating. I wake up in the morning. My life has improved. I am now outdoors. I'm outdoors now yes it's exhilarating i wake up in the morning my life has improved i am now outdoors i'm outdoors now i'm not beholden to the walls you know how that is you feel so trapped and claustrophobic all that temperature control and now i like it when it rains i like to feel it
Starting point is 00:14:37 so jesus christ you're washed uh he paul's a good athlete he's a little shit by the way as a fighter he's 135 and 140 pounds so he's not a big guy but he's a good athlete. He's a little shit, by the way. As a fighter, he's 135 and 140 pounds. He's not a big guy, but he's good. He's very quick. He's got quick feet, quick hands. He's good at football. He's good at basketball. He plays both of those sports, I guess, to try to keep him from doing other shit.
Starting point is 00:15:00 He also is cutting up on the street when he's a kid and getting in trouble and all that sort of shit here. So a coach of his ends up taking some interest in him. This is from an article. I'll give you the credit on this article a little bit later. But there's a pretty good in-depth article on him. I think it's the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that does it, but I'll have an exact one later on. But there's a guy who starts. He's a coach, and he recognizes a coach and he recognizes he says he
Starting point is 00:15:25 recognizes paul's athletic ability and he wants to help him so he starts attending paul's games and you know he just mom's all fucked up and she's not coming his dad's dead so he's like hey this guy's interested great you know what the hell uh he's he would like he bought him new shoes when he had holes in his shoes he would take him places what position is he playing yeah i don't know football it doesn't matter he's like fucking nine yeah ten years old it doesn't it's all the same yeah a bunch of little kids running to each other with helmets that are too big for them it's adorable yeah it's adorable little concussions isn't that adorable look at that little little it's just a little brain damage isn't that nice a little one it's adorable it's great uh so he
Starting point is 00:16:02 would have uh speaking of brain damage this this is a case for it here. So he paid to have braces. He paid for fucking Paul's braces. On his teeth? On his teeth, which is an expense. Trust me. Three grand today. It was more than that, chief.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah. Fuck yeah. Trust me. It's expensive. So it's a lot. So he would, you know, gave him that. So, I mean, Paulul felt like almost like this guy was his parent here um eventually paul ends up moving in with this coach before the seventh
Starting point is 00:16:32 before he enters the seventh grade just because it's a stable environment yeah i mean it's there's food on the table and you know someone's here and you know that sort of shit here was things that a kid would want you know but uh then he said shit started to get a little bit weird he said that a guy started to like kind of flirting with a little bit he said and then uh he said he would kind of say hey let's wrestle and let's wrestle around and shit like that and he's like i don't know about that you know what i'm saying yeah then paul says one day he walked down to the main floor here and caught this coach quote coach rolling around with a child in the dark uh another boy in the dark and uh cheating son of a bitch yeah he's like that's he's cheating he says paul says quote the coach never did anything wrong to me but i knew his intentions
Starting point is 00:17:19 i was a kid from the streets and would have hurt him if he had tried oh so this kid was like 10 like i will fucking cut your dick off if you come near me he's not he's the wrong kid to molest and i think well no it's true molesters have a sixth sixth sense they're fucking predators just like a predator knows the the weak animal they know the right one and after a while of grooming paul he probably realized this kid's too fucking hard you know seriously yeah no fun intended but this kid i don't think he's gonna go for this shit like he he put overtures out and he's like i think he's gonna punch me in the throat if i if i try anything where this other kid he doesn't even live with him and he's rolling around in the dark so it's a you know they know
Starting point is 00:17:58 the targets sharpen a knife with a river rock this kid's tough yeah this kid's this kid's pretty goddamn tough let me tell you something so uh but he ended up staying with this guy for more than a year while this was going on. After that? During it. I think that was the end of it. But yeah, he said he started drinking alcohol all the time, regularly. 11, 12 years old. That's the time you want to...
Starting point is 00:18:20 When did you start, Jimmy? Just drinking every day? I don't know, 21? Yeah, you know, you get home when you're 11 fifth grade is stressful it's a long day i'm not saying to get shit faced every night but maybe like a 12 year old scotch on the rocks the kid wants to kick back you know how it goes trying to fucking jam mesopotamia in my head some youtube on yeah watch video games because that's that's what they do now they watch other people play video games it's so dumb
Starting point is 00:18:45 like this is weird so yeah uh it's it's very strange so and anyway it's at the end of this year he ends up going back to living with his mother here uh later on slightly later not much later after paul moves out this quote coach i gotta put quotes on it every time because it's just this molester who likes sports was uh he probably doesn't even like sports no he likes kids he goes what up with watching their stupid what do kids do they play sports which one's parents aren't showing yeah all you'd have to do is stand there yeah till the end of the game right and watch which kids walk up to their parents and which kids just throw their shit over their shoulder and walk home by themselves.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Easy target there. That's my guy. That's what I mean. So these guys, disgusting. Gross. So anyway, he ends up being arrested on two counts of statutory rape and is now a sex offender. The coach. So Spadafore says, quote, the guy fell in love with me.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I was poor and stayed by his side to get things I needed. It was a survival technique to this day i don't feel bad about how things went down he looks at it as he was playing that guy yeah that's think about that mentality as a child yeah you're thinking this guy wants to fuck me and i know he wants to fuck me as a kid that wouldn't even enter your fucking brain unless you were real fucked up and had seen bad things already right this guy wants to fuck me i know he wants to fuck me and your instinct isn't even i better get out of here it's i can get some shit i want out of this right that's fucking he's the he's the chick with nice kids except in the free drinks yeah except at 11 that chick didn't
Starting point is 00:20:17 know to do that that's what i mean at 11 that is how hardened how much have you seen at 11 to know that's what the fuck to do survivor already dude that is street smart as shit and disturbing too because honestly you know bad things could happen to him we don't have any idea there jimmy has a microphone issue there you go you've learned how to screw in a screw we we got i don't know that thing just dropped down the fucking screen on it is like it was right against the mic yeah i wanted to pull it back a little bit. And now it's just kind of dancing around it. Beautiful.
Starting point is 00:20:49 A little halo. So at 11 years old, Paul starts boxing. That's when he kind of finds what he wants. And that's where a lot of these kids do because there's no other sport that takes that amount of time and energy out of you. There just isn't. I mean, you can play football, but that's in a season, and you have to pay to do it and all this shit. If they like you in a boxing gym and you're a kid and you can come to the boxing gym.
Starting point is 00:21:10 You can be there all day. You'd be there from day to night. And we've heard about it. These kids get there in the morning, they work out, all they do. That's their home, basically. That's their second home. That's the place where things are regimented and they know what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:21:21 And safe. And safe, yeah. They know that world. They know. That's the other thing. Being here and being where I know I'll be punched in the face 30 times today is way safer than going home. That's how boxers are started usually.
Starting point is 00:21:35 It's not kids are like, man, my home life's great. I really want to box. That would last one day before they'd be like, they hit me in the face repeatedly and it hurt. Where's my iPad? I want to watch video games. It's not the same. You have to be poor to do this.
Starting point is 00:21:49 You really do. To do it well. Some people haven't, but that's why those Creed movies are horseshit. It's like, nope, that kid had money. He ain't getting punched in the face for a living. There's no reason to be there. Fuck no. How many legacies are there in boxing that you see?
Starting point is 00:22:02 Football, you see it all the time. Manning's, how many legacies are there? None. See, heavyweight champion you see it all the time. Manning's. How many legacies are there? None. See, heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali's kid? No. Just Layla? None of those. And she doesn't even fight that much.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Yeah, that's a different thing. But I mean, not as a guy fighting. I'm not saying that it's different, but it's different. Sorry. They fight so that their kids don't have to. That's it. That's the whole point. She was fighting, but it was more of an exhibition thing.
Starting point is 00:22:22 It's a different thing than being in a... It was just different at that point. Female boxing has come a long way, but it's still a weird scummy... It's not the boxer's fault. It's a weird scummy... The promoters are really... The surroundings of it. Yeah, it's really gross in there.
Starting point is 00:22:38 But it's not a legacy situation very often. You don't hear about that too often. They stop young. And their parents tell them don't you're not getting anywhere near a guy tyson's got a lot of kids doesn't he i'm sure he must i've never heard of a tyson jr i've no not fighting out there and george foreman's got fuck loads of kids yeah no because he's successful right unsuccessful boxers their kids will fight later on so uh he's boxing at 11 he says paul says quote I always felt like a boxer when I was fighting
Starting point is 00:23:06 in the street when Harry, who's his brother, brought me to the gym one day. That was it. Harry's his full brother. Charles is his younger brother and his half brother. So that's that. So he said he, you know, regularly really been into alcohol since 13. That's when he was really pounding away. He said
Starting point is 00:23:22 he's been addicted to boxing and alcohol ever since the start. Those were his two loves, and he knew it instantly. Booze and punching. So he has some times during his teen years where he runs away from home or the home situation isn't great. So he's gone or he gets in trouble and he runs away. He lived under an abandoned front porch for a while uh where he would sleep with his dog for warmth apparently so yeah that's in pittsburgh that's
Starting point is 00:23:51 not a good place to be homeless it's goddamn cold there under some under an abandoned front under a point like an abandoned house yeah back there the houses have like the storage under the front porch so yeah you could live under a front porch that's gross with the spiders and the rats and the worms and weird shit. It's abandoned. Sleep inside, bro. Yeah, well, I mean, you can't get in trouble, I guess. Less trouble, probably, for sleeping under the front porch.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Probably. That's just sad. Probably easier to get under there, too. Oh, you don't have to break in. I would assume, too. Break into a door. If a cop finds you under there, that's just sad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Oh, a child sleeping under a porch. There's nothing nefarious about that. What were you going to do? Steal the dirt from under there, kid? You're going to dig down and take the pipes? I knew it. You lousy little bastard. But literally, there was people in his life that were saying, if you civilize him, he
Starting point is 00:24:37 won't be as good of a fighter. Civilize him. So yeah, let him be a while. And that's how they treat these fucking boxers. As long as he shows up at the gym and does everything I need him to be here, we need him to be living on the edge because that's how that's how you get to be a good fighter. Keep a ship on his shoulder. Yeah. Well, that's why when fighters are very successful and wealthy, they tend to it's, you know, the famous story.
Starting point is 00:24:56 They get fat and they, you know, it's how many movies have they done about shit like that? Mike Tyson getting knocked out by Buster Douglas. You know what I'm saying? You get you just the apathy and you get fat and whatever you don't have that hunger anymore and you know that's why poor is is better for fighting so they don't want to be better for most everything yeah because with money you civilize them too because then you have a house usually then they'll get like a wife that'll tell me i have to be home at night and they can't act like a crazy person comfort of being able to take care of yourself because it takes away your drive to succeed because you don't need it anymore because
Starting point is 00:25:28 you fucking succeed it takes away your drive to take risks as well because you're comfortable with what you have you're like well i don't want to lose this this is great yeah fuck i don't go out there and get beat and then not have this belt and fuck when i slept under a porch yeah jesus this is fantastic absolutely so uh at 15 years old he went to a an amateur tournament which was like a big one here uh he loses his match so he comes home and drinks a case of beers at 15 you can do that uh so yeah he's a case of beer 24 in a sitting yeah i don't know what your cases are in other countries but 24 beers in a sitting for a 15 year old who weighs like 130 pounds, by the way.
Starting point is 00:26:05 He doesn't weigh 220. He's not a big... He's a little shit. He's a little skinny kid. That much volume inside you. I don't understand that. You have to be drinking while you piss, I would think. Keep it out and keep pushing.
Starting point is 00:26:16 That's so much beer. That's so much beer, dude. So much beer. I guess the first dozen were probably... First 12-pack was just to rehydrate him, probably. That was probably just, you know, honestly, he probably gained 10 pounds just in the fight, you know, the weight you cut before the fight, and then you're sweating in the whole fight and all that shit.
Starting point is 00:26:33 A former rehab counselor said of him, quote, he could get addicted to popcorn. He's a very addictive personality in everything he touches, as we'll find out later. If he touches Coke, I love Coke now. Oh, boy. out later he if he touches coke i love coke now oh boy you know if he touches ecstasy i want to do ecstasy every day that's just how he is uh he says as a kid he did a lot of crime as well he said he would burglarize houses with a bunch of older kids that he knew we find this with these boxers all the time too because they're tough they hang out with older kids so it's a different it's you know they so then they end up escalating their crimes more quickly they do they do 16 year old crimes when they're 12 yeah so that's you know that's not bad though he's stealing at an 11th grade level
Starting point is 00:27:15 at this point we're really impressed with him he's coming along his burglarization skills are way better than they used to be this is impressive oh i look at his report card and you know as when kids do that stuff too they they're looking for the ones that want to take the chance that they want to take so he's probably been doing it a long fucking time he's crazy yeah the kid's fucking he would be like this little shit's fucking crazy he'll do anything he'll punch anybody in the face he's not afraid of shit you'd let him hang around if you were you know a group he's good to have around this kid plus also isn't it when you're when you're 18 and you can't swing on a 14 year old sometimes it's nice to have a 14 year old around especially one that loves to box and drink and punch people in the face would you yeah well he said he was the
Starting point is 00:27:54 because he's little yeah he said that uh uh you know uh he said quote i was the little kid who would knock on the front door if someone was home we'd know we couldn't break in if they weren't we took whatever we could we wanted so yeah they would send him up because anybody would answer the door for me looks like a lost little kid or something you're not gonna get a cup of sugar yeah please i need my mom is a crackhead and i need help so you know that's kind of how how it was there i said we took whatever we could he just wanted stability that's all he ever wanted he said he just all he ever wanted was stability he said his mother was a fucking disaster she never had rent money good lord so they were constantly being bounced from place to place which was very very uncomfortable obviously
Starting point is 00:28:35 uh that's that's a terrible feeling as we've we've talked about that we've both we've both had that and that's not a good feeling not necessarily a crackhead mother no not a crackhead mother but we have to leave now that feeling we got to go somewhere else as a child that sucks it's horrible grab your shit we got to go now i was like why what's happening i don't understand it here's a trash bag fill it up yeah you're good stuff get the important shit yeah that's bad so uh so yeah but this was worse than this his mother was a crackhead so that's going to be his mother was like, if she did get any money, she'd spend it on things that weren't correct. You know, so that's even worse.
Starting point is 00:29:10 He would go to different schools constantly. He's always the new kid. So he's always got a chip on his shoulder. No, he has to prove that he's tough because he's small. So people want to pick on him. Can you imagine? So then he would fight and then he would get suspended and expelled. Then you have to go to a new school.
Starting point is 00:29:24 It was just a cycle of shit. It's like a prisoner being moved to a different jail every couple of months. Every couple of months. You got to establish your pecking order. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. And he had to do that. And if you live in a tougher neighborhood and shit like that, and you're a little skinny
Starting point is 00:29:37 kid and you're new, they're going to pick on you. You're going to have to fight. You're going to have to fight. Especially this isn't now where he couldn't just be like, I'm being bullied. This was 1987. They'd be like, well, go punch that kid in the face they told you solve your problems when i was little and had problems with people your family would tell you you got to go punch him right in the nose that's how it works you hit him good shot in the nose that'll you know that's that's what people told you literally you know so i don't know uh not that that's maybe
Starting point is 00:30:01 the best advice but i'm just saying that's what we were. That's what was told to kids back then. So the best advice is just definitely some advice. It's some advice. Yeah. He says, quote, I don't remember having any birthday parties or having any Christmas trees. There were years of my life when no adults were really there for me. So he's always plural. Plural.
Starting point is 00:30:21 Yeah. There's just years. Yeah. Shit goes by. He won a Golden Gloves title at 16. Soural, yeah. There's just years. Years of my life. Shit goes by. He won a Golden Gloves title at 16, so that was good. He was playing football and basketball in school, and then he said his, this is amazing, his boxing trainer here, he says, quote, he told me that I was never going to be dunking a basketball or playing in the NFL, but I had a good future in boxing.
Starting point is 00:30:44 Then we talked about why I was even in high school to begin with so i dropped out the next day what yeah they said well you're not going to be you're not going to make the nfl or the nba so why are you going to school probably not going to have a real job i mean so just box so yeah you're in the ninth grade you know enough literally that was it he said oh i dropped out the next day so yeah i'm just going to box unbelievable that's obviously my future you know it's a good thing he didn't run into a dude with a timeshare yeah that's what i mean everything he's buying everything these people are selling that's what i mean but he says quote i will talk about all this stuff because there's guys like me in the world who are messed up they have no mother no father but they have something like a boxing gym i'm going
Starting point is 00:31:19 to be real i was a criminal i was arrested for the first time when i was 12 years old and what did i do i headed to the boxing gym so yeah that's his whole that's been his his release and his his place of uh you know refuge to saving grace always yeah he got his first tattoo when he was 16 okay which was uh when he decided to be a professional boxer uh he got uh he has the word south uh etched in on his stomach because he's a southpaw okay so yeah south south even though he's from pittsburgh which looks very weird dumb yeah i mean 16 year olds getting tattoos that's what you're gonna get well yeah because you're 16 you don't you're gonna get i don't even know what i would have got when i was 16 but i guarantee
Starting point is 00:32:01 you i wouldn't fucking like it now probably i guarantee i wouldn't either when i was 16 but i guarantee you i wouldn't fucking like it now probably i guarantee i wouldn't either when i was 18 and i fucking hate it that's what i mean yeah it's it's one of those things it's it's your life is longer than you think it is it really is it really is it keeps going and going and going so much longer when you got a bad tattoo jesus especially when people ask you about it yeah that's oh man yeah that's dumb so he he does get his next tattoo comes via an incident here. His next tattoo comes in commemoration of a stupid act on his part here. Christmas Eve, 1994. So, you know, most kids here.
Starting point is 00:32:36 What is he, 19 years old? I don't know. He should be doing something. Maybe going to school. Probably buying a girl something nice. Buying his girlfriend something. Doing something nice. Buying his girlfriend something. Doing something nice. Instead, he's a passenger in a car that tries to outrun the police.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Wow. And they crash into a telephone pole in this failed attempt to outrun the police. So he and the driver, they're both shit-faced, by the way. Neither of them are like, I should have been driving or you should have been driving. Neither of them should have been anywhere near a car. of them are like i should have been driving or you should have been driving neither of them should have been anywhere near a car so apparently uh as they were trying to they get out of the car and tried to run as the officer pulled his gun out and accidentally it came out in the report uh in the end who knows if it was true accidentally on purpose or what uh accidentally discharged
Starting point is 00:33:20 and shot paul in the leg oh no yeah so paul gets shot in the leg now uh which do we know where in the leg uh yeah he's i think it's down in the uh in the calf region here fucking the shin and the front and the back oh my god not great no not good at all so uh basically he's he's gonna limp forever he always has a limp we walk in the ring he's got a fucking limp from this doctors told him he'd never walk without like a crutch or a cane or something like that, and they said, well, you can't box, obviously. That's over. Yeah, they won't let you take a cane in the ring.
Starting point is 00:33:53 No. You can't lean on a walker while someone punches you in the face. I don't think that's regulation. Hold on. One of my tennis balls fell off. Wait. Jesus Christ. God damn.
Starting point is 00:34:01 It's slipping on the mat. Wrap my shit. Eddie! Oh! Fuck me. Unbelievable. So, yeah. So what he did was he got a tattoo from that.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I don't know why this was, but it's a crown. It's around his neck. It's a crown of thorns, you know, like he's so fucking put upon. You were drunk and tried to outrun the cops, stupid. And you guys hit a telephone pole. And you quote, Those are awfully deep. All of this shit is stupid.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Unbelievable. Yeah, he does that with boxing gloves dangling off of them. So it's like, yeah. What? He, you know, ruined his boxing career, basically. Okay. Yeah, he says he ends up filing a lawsuit and wins a judgment, actually, here against the police for accidentally discharging the weapon.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Oh, shit. They had no reason to shoot him in the back because they weren't like a danger and they were running away. And so basically the cops said it was an accident. And it's like, well, if you can't accidentally discharge your gun and not, that's going to cost you something. You know, a lot of accidents. You got to cost. It's going to cost a few bucks. If I accidentally hit you with my car, it's cost me a few bucks if i accidentally shoot you it
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Starting point is 00:37:52 uh he wins this but he he wanted to earn a spot on the 96 olympic team but this ruined that of course you know because you can't walk no it derailed his training he had to do physical therapy to walk forever and all this type of shit. Nine months of intensive physical therapy this took. So, I mean, that sets you back a full year of your boxing, too. So it's a mess. And he did that, but he went right back to boxing after the shooting. They said he was rusty in training for a couple days, and he's right back into it.
Starting point is 00:38:25 We will say about this guy is he's very skilled. That's the left-handed, and he's Italian and whatever, and he's from Pennsylvania. That's where the Rocky comparisons kind of end. Outside of that, he's a jab guy. He's not a power guy. He's a very quick, very deceiving. He's a guy that goes the distance a lot, looks for jabs. Later on, Pernell Whitaker will be his trainer for a little while,
Starting point is 00:38:51 and he's got a very similar style to Pernell Whitaker, who's a guy who doesn't knock a lot of people out, goes the distance, and wins unanimous decisions by outboxing people type of thing. And that's what Paul is. He's got quick hands, quick feet, and he does that. And he's a little guy. I mean, he just doesn't have a lot of punching power some 135 pounders have punching power but he's not really one of them here uh but he uh he ends up having total and amateur boxing a 75 and 5 amateur record pretty solid not bad 80 fights uh keep in mind though all these rounds
Starting point is 00:39:22 on a on a head okay just keep this in mind plus the early ages of alcohol abuse and all this type of shit 80 fights that he's known for going the distance that's what i mean i mean an amateur fight it's a lower thing you got headgear but still uh wait till you listen to his fight thing basically keep keep like a look in your in your brain like uh look at like a like a bag of brain cells look at it like a pac in your brain, like look at like a bag of brain cells. Look at it like a Pac-Man board. Yeah. And those brain cells.
Starting point is 00:39:48 And every time he goes the distance or something, just imagine Pac-Man eating all these little brain cells. Picture this shit. And the ghosts chasing him aren't trying to hurt Pac-Man. They're helping. That's like cocaine and alcohol and the shit like chasing behind, cleaning up any that Pac-Man might have left behind. I was seeing him with little badges on. That too, chasing him down. That might be how it works.
Starting point is 00:40:10 But October 18, 1995, he makes his debut at the Sheraton Hotel in Pittsburgh, where all the big boxing matches happen. He fights Steve Maddox, who's a 2-32 career fighter. He won his third fight, and he won his fifth fight and then never won another fight again out of 34 fights. Lost 29 straight after that. Got the shit beaten out of him. 29? That was his career.
Starting point is 00:40:33 God, Jesus. Yeah, he started out like 2-3, which is, I don't know, maybe he needs to get some better skills. Never won again. What the shit? So it works. This goes all four rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul here. 1-0. This goes all four rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul here. 1-0. November 7th, 1995.
Starting point is 00:40:50 Jesus Christ. The Mountaineer Casino Racetrack and Resort in Chester, I think, West Virginia. I was going to say it's probably West Virginia. We've talked about this one before because it's Mountaineer Casino Racetrack and Resort and Petting Zoo. You can add anything you want whatever you want shit whatever profession cupcake shop it doesn't matter uh he fights nathaniel hardy who's a 2 and 12 career fighter this is a tko in round two so this fight stopped 2 and 0
Starting point is 00:41:17 for paul november 15th 1995 which is eight days later no kidding yeah eight days later in erie pennsylvania he's trying to make up for lost time. He's trying to make some money, too. Here, he fights Anthony Hardy, who's a 4-24 career fighter. His last... Not good either. That's not good at all. You said that like you thought about it for a minute.
Starting point is 00:41:38 You're like, that's not very good. I certainly thought about that. Of his last 20 fights of his career, he won one of them, Anthony Hardy. So not great. Not terrific. This goes all four rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul. 3-0 is Paul at this point.
Starting point is 00:41:55 Now, his mother at this point has become a huge Paul supporter and is kind of part of his entourage. Really? Sort of, yeah. Is that going to come around? Yeah, she's like a she's like a local bartender crazy lady she'll she's uh she's quick to fight also uh after one of these fights i don't know which one it was one of his first five fights he he's he uh apparently there was some shit talking in the ring post fight and his mom uh punched one of the other fighters supporters right in the face
Starting point is 00:42:25 and knocked them down so landed a pretty good right hand a good shot you got a pretty good shot in on one of the support so you have to hold back your mom from fighting the other fighters entourage i don't think i've ever heard of that in boxing before me neither i mean it's fucked up as everybody's family is they never had their mom. That's great. My mom would do that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. She would absolutely do that. She sure would, yeah. She wouldn't be a very good punch.
Starting point is 00:42:48 What did you say about my Jimmy? Yeah, she would be very angry, though. She uses weapons, though. She takes after my grandmother. Good Lord. She stabbed my stepdad with a fork one time. That was pretty funny. What?
Starting point is 00:42:57 Oh, yeah, with a fork. Sticking right out of his arm. It's good stuff. Poor bastard. Go find yourself a nice Italian lady, huh? it's good stuff poor bastard you're finding go find yourself a nice italian lady huh so uh uh after one of his uh uh this here this was i believe it was that fight that we just talked about but i'm not sure that the post fight thing december 13th 95 at the holiday in metroplex in liberty township holy shit the fucking glamour jimmy the glamour at the holiday
Starting point is 00:43:23 in metroplex is it in Jersey? I think this is in Pennsylvania, this one. I'm not positive, though. He fights Lesabian Crockett, who's an 0-6 career fighter, and this is his last fight. And he gets knocked out in round one. I think this is Paul's only first-round knockout of his career. Really? I believe so.
Starting point is 00:43:40 So he's 4-0. He keeps right with it. February 20th at the Mahi Temple Shrine in Miami. I think that's Ohio, though. I don't think that is. Miami, Florida. It might be Miami, Arizona. I believe that it could be.
Starting point is 00:43:51 There's a Miami in like every state, too, which is the weird shit. He fights Michael Lopez, who's a 2-13 career fighter. But it's Mahi something, and that is a popular shit for them to catch down there. Yeah, that's true, too. So it might be Florida. But I don't know why they would name a temple shrine after a fish i don't know very weird very very strange uh this guy you're 2 and 13 career fighter he won his fourth fight and his last fight then he quit fuck it i won i just wanted to win two i'm done uh this fight stopped in the third round 5 and 0 for paul
Starting point is 00:44:20 march 31st which is the next month here, 96 in Washington. He fights Julio Ibarra, who's a 10, 41, and 1 career fighter. My God. The last 24 fights of his career, he won one of them. These guys are just gluttons for punishment. It's hard to call that guy a fighter at all. Yeah, he's just a punch taker. Yeah, he's basically a punching bag. He's a 10 and 41 loser.
Starting point is 00:44:42 He goes out and he makes 300 bucks 500 bucks and that's he needs that at that point probably that's why you just go out i guess i'll go out and get beat up again like that's a brain cells war that's fucking depressing man think about that this is the third round tko so six and oh for paul uh may 7th 96 in steubenville he fights eric joshua who's an oh three and three career fighter three draws that seems almost harder to do than winning yeah it would be harder to have three draws than it would be to win any fights win one one it would be so hard to keep it even like that for three fights that's amazing oh three and three oh three and three i've never seen that record in boxing ever
Starting point is 00:45:20 that's horrible it's so weird this is his last fight yeah that's his career record fourth round unanimous decision. Still goes the distance, though. 7-0 for Paul. You'd almost rather go 0-6 than 0-3-3. You know what I mean? Let's just say, because there was three fights where, at the end, you were like, Nope.
Starting point is 00:45:37 No. Someone, some judge somewhere said, you won the fight on their scorecard. And you were like, 115, 113. Ah, right. Ah, fuck. So June 10th, 96, he fights Calvin. I hope. I think it's Fagans, but I don't because it's F-A-G-G-I-N-S, which is Fagans.
Starting point is 00:45:58 That is definitely. Absolutely Fagans. That's Bilbo Fagans. Sorry, Fagans. You have that. Imagine the fucking upbringing. He had to be a boxer have that he imagined the fucking upbringing he had to be a boxer oh the poor kid he had to be a boxer from birth when did you start boxing four yeah when the kids in preschool school started fucking chanting faggins faggins over and over again at
Starting point is 00:46:17 me even though that's my name i still found it i've been boxing my mom's liver ah because it was calling me it was really bad it was really bad. It's bad stuff. He's a 3-6-1 career fighter. This is a second round TKO, 8-0 for Paul. I'm going to buzz through these early fights because who cares. June 22, 1996 at the Mark Estes Arena in Atlantic City. Ooh, the big time. You can smell the medical waste washing up on shore right from the ring.
Starting point is 00:46:43 I'll tell you, I know you've made it. the medical waste washing up on shore right from the right from the ring tell you no you've made it he fights antonio gonzalez who is a 3 15 and 2 career fighter 3 wins 15 losses 2 draws this is his last fight yeah as well uh fourth round unanimous decision for paul he wins 9 and 0 this is uh september 27th 1996 at the mountaineer Casino Resort Racetrack and Shrimp Hatchery. Forever 21. Forever 21. Virgin Atlantic Record Store. It's the only one left.
Starting point is 00:47:12 So he fights Jeff Honey Boy Whaley. Yeah. Honey Boy. I'd rather go by Faggins. Yeah, I'd rather go. Jeff, that's not even his name. Jeff Faggins Whaley. It's better than fucking Honey Boy, probably probably that is a horrible one yeah 18 38 and one for him career so again
Starting point is 00:47:32 just gets pummeled all the time tko round two 10 and 0 for paul november 21st 96 and eerie he fights oh boy mark andreski whose nickname is the polish Prince. Yeah. That would be fine if he was from Poland. He's from Saginaw, Michigan. The Polish Prince. Yeah. That's the guy. Four, eight, and one career record for him. He's been fighting for a year right now.
Starting point is 00:47:57 How many wins does he have? This is his 11th fight. 11 in a year. In a year. Oh, yeah. Oh, Jesus. He's pumping them out. And a lot of these are going for.
Starting point is 00:48:05 And they're hitting each other in the fucking face a lot. Because it's jabs to the forehead count. And the frontal lobe damage is going to take its course. It's whatever over time. So Mark Andreski here, the Polish prince. That's just fucking hilarious. So apparently Polish royalty isn't that good at boxing. So 4-8-1 career.
Starting point is 00:48:24 TKO in round five for for paul 11 and oh december 22nd 1996 another month later every month there's a fight he fights greg mclean who's an oh and five career boxer here this is that's not good that's his whole career ko in round two for paul 12 and oh march 1st 97 back in in Atlantic City, fighting Joe LaFontaine. LaFontaine, I guess. LaFontaine. LaFontaine. LaFontaine.
Starting point is 00:48:53 3-13-1 career record. So he's really fighting the cream of the crop here. I mean, this is really a pile of garbage he's been fighting. But I mean, I guess you have to make your way through the journeyman. This goes all six rounds with this bum. This is the reason why he's not getting but i mean there's i guess you have to make your way through the journeyman uh he this goes all six rounds with this bum this is the reason why he's not getting better fight he's not better fighters because i'm putting him away well as we've talked about before looking impressive as as important as winning people have to want to watch you fight so when promoters watch a guy and they see a 313 and one fighter and you go the distance with him and win by points they go i don't want to watch that on television.
Starting point is 00:49:26 That's fucking boring. I'm not putting him anywhere. That sucks. So he wins by points, 13-0. What's the guy's name that fought McGregor? God damn it. Mayweather? Punches women. Yes. Be more specific, please. This is crime and sports.
Starting point is 00:49:42 The guy who punches women. The guy that punches women and can't read? Keep. The guy who punches women and can't read. Keep naming them. Punches women, keep going. An era, maybe, just a 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s today. Has a bunch of money. Likes to flaunt it on Instagram. I need more, Jimmy.
Starting point is 00:50:01 Is it the one who... 50 Cent hates him. Okay. That's closer. Is it the one who's not allowed to ride an Uber for the rest of his life? Or is it the one who 50 cent hates him okay that's closer is it the one who's not allowed to ride an uber for the rest of his life or is it the one we've had a bunch probably a bunch too is it this one maybe possibly could be him though we're talking about now no definitely may well it's yes but i mean a lot of people did oh he'll come up later i'm sure he will uh a lot a lot of people have never seen one of his fights because it's not an exciting guy to watch no no i mean
Starting point is 00:50:24 you gotta really love boxing. You've got to like boxing and like the skill involved in watching a guy avoid getting hit while beating the shit out of someone else. Peppering him with light punches. That's what he's trying to do. He's trying to score points. He doesn't give a shit. He's a chess match guy, not a fucking damage maker. Which is smart because if he tried to go toe for toe-to-toe and knock you out, he would get
Starting point is 00:50:46 demolished. It would be bad. So that's not his game here, and that's not Paul's game either. But Paul gets hit sometimes, because he's not quite as slick as Mayweather, obviously. But they do have a sparring session that's on YouTube. Really? These two? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:59 We'll talk about it later. Paul got the best of them, and it's pretty interesting. Is that right? Oh, yeah. It's known as a thing. Mayweather was coming off of not training and shit like that but still i don't know okay you could mayweather could not fight for five years and he'd still fucking pepper the fuck out of either one of us we'd never touch him he might put me in a coma those soft punches that's what i'm saying so uh jesus may 23rd 97 he fights julio Cesar Marino. Not Marino like Dad Marino.
Starting point is 00:51:26 Marino. With an E. 3-11-2 career fighter. So not great. This is his last fight as well. But he helps people. He puts away their career. Just not them. You know what he's doing? He can look at it this way. If he ever needs it
Starting point is 00:51:42 on his resume, he can say he's helped many people find a new career. He what i mean yeah he's like a counselor yeah basically he's helped job core yeah he's helped him decide what he's doing what they're doing isn't advantageous to them right now uh 14 and 0 for him uh august 13th 1997 the mountaineer casino racetrack uh resort he's the administrator golf spokesperson at this point. And miniature golf course. He fights. RC car track.
Starting point is 00:52:10 It's beautiful down there. What do you say, Jimmy? Bring the kids on down. They got a shooting range. Oh, it's versus Bernard Harris, who's a 22, 24, and 2 career fighter. He's had a lot of fights, at least, here. This goes all eight rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul.
Starting point is 00:52:27 15 and 0. This is the point where Paul drinks so much that between fights, he'll gain 30 pounds of alcohol bloat and then have to quickly train it off. So they're literally this whole time. They don't know how the hell he fights. He drinks all night and then gets up and trains at 7 o'clock in the morning that is insane that's his game how do you wake up that early in the first place you don't have to you've been drinking all night sometimes he doesn't go to sleep well drink all night and then train that's nuts that's nobody does that that's suicide the the the stamina he has though is incredible they all say that in the ring he never gets tired he can fight
Starting point is 00:53:02 for 50 rounds he just doesn't get tired because he's also coke fueled but i mean the stamina of being able to be up all day drink all night and then get up and train all day that's jesus christ if you don't have a heart attack your heart is in good shape you know that's or you're just beating it down or you're making it terrible for naturally don't worry yeah but i mean he and gaining 30 pounds and having to lose 30 pounds that swing that, that is awful for your body. Yeah. Especially on your heart. I'm going through it as we go out on the road and I eat like shit for three, four days.
Starting point is 00:53:30 That's like seven pounds. Yeah. Then I come home and I've got like seven to nine pounds to lose. And then we go back on the road and I've gotten rid of that in two weeks. It takes me two weeks. This son of a bitch probably does it in two days. I lose weight on the road because I can't find good food. I can't find good food on the road.
Starting point is 00:53:44 I have to just push food down my throat to feel okay. To feel okay, yeah. I can't find any good food, man. My stomach locks up. Yeah. It feels like even if I put water in there, it's not going to digest because my stomach's just angry at me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:56 Well, I get that. Well, look, on the road for us, they'll try to give us food before the show or something. I don't like to eat before I sit down for two hours and do a show. I don't want to be all like weighed down. So I don't eat then. Then by the time we're done, we have to do our meet and greet. We leave the venue, get back to the hotel about 1115, 1130. When does every hotel stop serving room service?
Starting point is 00:54:17 About 11 o'clock. We're usually in a down to an 11 to midnight. Yeah. We're usually in like a downtown area with no like places like that. It's a bunch of offices and shit. Everything our hotel everything fucking closed so it's i'm sitting there i'll end up getting shitty pizza at midnight 12 30 in some crappy town some bad omaha pizza that i have two slices of and that's that's my food i ate that day so then i end up coming home and sarah has to she yells at me and uh yeah she yells at me on the road too i love coffee damn it
Starting point is 00:54:44 so i have to go find i gotta be up early to go get coffee, and whatever goes with coffee was like biscuits and gravy. There's never a decent little restaurant with good breakfast. It's always something greasy, and everything's got eggs, and I can't fucking eat eggs. That's true. See, I can't eat breakfast at all. It's a nightmare. That's my thing.
Starting point is 00:55:02 Yeah, I don't eat breakfast. If you don't eat breakfast, you don't gain weight. It's weird. I think that's my philosophy. I'm figuring it out. I don't eat breakfast. If you don't eat breakfast, you don't gain weight. It's weird. I think that's my philosophy. I'm figuring it out. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm not sure if that's true. September 13th, 1997 at the Thomas and Mac Center in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:55:15 So now we're boxing. We're in Vegas here. He fights Kino Rodriguez, which is a great Vegas name. It is. Fucking Kino over here. It's K-I-N-O, but still. It doesn't matter. Kino Rodriguez.
Starting point is 00:55:24 You don't even have to have a nickname with that. It's beautiful. Yeah. Fuck the Vegas kid. It is. Fucking Kino over here. It's K-I-N-O, but still. It doesn't matter. It's Kino Rodriguez. You don't even have to have a nickname with that. It's beautiful, yeah. Fuck the Vegas kid. Yeah. 10-14-2 career record, so he's lost more than he's won, much like Kino. Right. Like, if you played it. This goes all six rounds.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Unanimous decision for Paul again. 16-0. October 15th, 1997 at the Monzo's Palace Inn. Very exciting. October 15th, 97 at the Monzo's Palace Inn. Very exciting. He fights Hector Ramirez, who's a 14, 49 and one career fighter. How?
Starting point is 00:55:51 Why? I don't understand how you get there. How? Why? I don't know which one is more pertinent, but someone needs to figure this shit out because I can't imagine getting beat up that many times. He needs a psychiatrist. Well, probably a neurologist first to figure out the main issues a lot of is we got to find out the organic problems first and then we'll move on to the psychological ones
Starting point is 00:56:10 so this is a tko in round two 17 and 0 for paul december 11th 97 at the havel avalon hotel in monroville this will be there a lot too roger brown 14 and 20 career record goes all eight rounds unanimous decision for Paul. He's sensing a pattern here of long fights and getting punched in the face a lot. And another one tomorrow. And another one, yeah. March 26, 1998, back at the Avalon Hotel versus Troy Fletcher. He's a 13-10-2 career fighter.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Goes all eight rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul. Good Lord. 19-0. unanimous decision for paul good lord 19 and 0 uh by the way he's at this time he's got he's always had he's got a lot of uh relationships or coming and going and with women yeah women coming and going and fiery relationships and you know going breaking up with one and going back with this one and that one it's i mean with his upbringing what do you expect he i don't know if he ever had a any sort of stable relationship to look at but still he's a he's a fucking mess basically no model that's for sure no definitely not at this
Starting point is 00:57:09 point too like he's he's like he's 19 and oh so he's starting to become a success starting to make a name in pittsburgh he lives in pittsburgh stays in pittsburgh hangs out with the same shithead group of friends that he grew up with a bunch of dudes that do drugs and drink and fucking go out and fuck around and don't go home what are our rules here jimmy he's breaking them all almost for sure out yeah get away from where you're from he's you know bailing his friends out of jail all the time shit like that uh pays his mother's rent all through this shit he's always you know take trying to take care of his family you're not tup Stop it. That's what he's trying to do, basically, here. May 27th, 1998. So he just keeps going. Fights
Starting point is 00:57:47 Amando Chiba Cabado. Chiba's his nickname. 45, 27, and 8 career fighter. So this guy's been through a lot of fights. This is his last fight of this long career. Chiba. TKO in round 7 for Paul. 20-0.
Starting point is 00:58:04 So June 23rd, 1998. the very next month mountaineer casino racetrack resort and whorehouse absolutely uh for the vacant ibc title he fights uh jose chito aponte chito chito yeah uh 1826 and three career fighter here chito this goes all 12 rounds because now we're into 12 round fights when their title fights all 12 rounds so many that's so many rounds oh my god so long to be getting punched in the face it's all night well you've been getting punched in the face for like an hour at that point like it literally is like you got punched in the face you sat down you got up got punched some more sat down i mean that's a lot of rounds and three or threes 36s, that's a lot of punching. Five minute rounds? Three. Three. Three. Three. Three. Three. Thirty sixes? Yeah. Thirty six. That's a long fucking time.
Starting point is 00:58:47 That's so long. If you don't think it is. Oh, boy. Bounce on the balls of your feet and throw punches and back to move around. Do that for three minutes. And then when you get up afterwards. Do that 11 times. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Do that 11. Well, after the second time, when you drink some water and catch your breath and get up off the floor, you're going to go, wow, that's hard hard how do people do it while they're getting punched in the face and stomach and the wind knocked out of them too now do that and avoid getting hit by a guy doing that it was trying to hurt you yeah uh so uh yet uh cheeto here he goes all 12 rounds again wins on points 21 and 0 for paul august 30th 1998 at the Mountaineer Casino Racetrack Resort and Hospice Care. I don't know. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Which one's worse? Which one's worse? The hospice care or the whorehouse? Or the whorehouse. I'm not positive. I don't know. Versus David Tito Thomas. So he fought Cheeto and Tito back to back.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Really? He fought Cheeto and Tito back to back. I don't know where David, Cheeto, and Tito. Back to back. I don't know where David Thomas is Tito, but whatever. Fine. He's a 421-1 career record, so nothing about him makes sense. Let's be honest here. 22-0 for Paul after a second round TKO. October 23, 1998.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Mountaineer Casino Racetrack Resort and Lumber Emporium. And crack house. And crack house, I suppose. Why not? He fights Sizzlin' Sam Gerrard. Yeah. Who's a 17-7-1 career fighter. The fight before this for Sizzlin' Sam was a loss to Floyd Mayweather.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Really? Yeah. So Sizzlin' Sam's been on the circuit here. He just fought a real good fighter. Now, this goes all 10 rounds, and unanimous decision for Paul, 23-0. December 4th, 1998, he fights Desi Ford, who's a
Starting point is 01:00:36 24-33-2 fighter, so just a journeyman. TKO in the 10th round, so every fight is going so long. 24-0 for Paul. January 22, 1999, he fights Rocky Martinez in Chicago. Rocky's 29-2 coming in. Wow.
Starting point is 01:00:52 So now this is a 24-0 fight. Yeah, this is a fight that they're actually looking at. This is around the time when he starts getting on HBO as well. So he starts being known. And now he's the local Pittsburgh kid who's on HBO.
Starting point is 01:01:04 And he's a fucking star back home now. A fight night. And he's winning. This is his 25th fight. He hasn't lost yet. So Rocky Martinez. Rocky will end up 40-12-1 in his career. Wow.
Starting point is 01:01:15 It'll fall apart. He's a good fighter. But still, yeah, it's not bad. Better than I would do. I'd rather it be 40-12-1 than what I am. Yeah, exactly. This fight goes all 10 rounds again. Unanimous decision for Paul.
Starting point is 01:01:28 25-0 for Paul. March 30, 1999, he fights Eugene Johnson. A 5-14-1 career record. And it goes all eight rounds again. Unanimous decision for Paul. How does he get on HBO against a great fighter like that? And then they match him up with a guy like this again. This is an off fight.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Yeah, just an off fight. An absolute nothing. Warm up. This is one of those where they probably have a fight in their sights with another guy, but he has a fight scheduled, so that can't go on for 10 months. So we need a fight in the meantime to keep him loose and fighting. Have him knock over a tomato can, as they say. 26-0 for him.
Starting point is 01:02:05 It's probably good for his ego, too. Oh, yeah, you have to have this. It's good for your confidence to go kick the shit out of somebody. He's the title holder at this point, right? Yeah, he's got a belt and everything. So right around now when he stops fighting 135, I believe it's after this Mayweather thing, he stops fighting 135 and moves up to 140.
Starting point is 01:02:21 But there's a session in Las Vegas in 1999 where he ends up sparring with floyd floyd needed a partner and he needed a southpaw so uh he they brought paul in there and uh paul says quote floyd said i'm the best fighter in the world and does your boy want to get some work floyd walked in and said i'm the best fighter in the world does he want to get some work against the best fighter in the world? Because that's how Floyd talks to everybody. And Paul said, sure, why not? Let's fucking do it here.
Starting point is 01:02:51 And what year was this? 99. In 99, Floyd Mayweather was the best fighter in the world? Oh, he was a bad motherfucker in 99. In 99, though? Pound for pound. I mean, he was a little early to be saying it. Yeah, calm down, Floyd.
Starting point is 01:03:03 People were saying that about him at that point. Yeah. But not yet. People were saying that about him, but that was when they first started saying it. That was when Roy Jones was old. Okay. That was because that was always Roy Jones' title, which he's a bad son of a bitch. He's a great fighter.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Christ, he was great to watch. Floyd Mayweather, or Floyd, Roy Jones was fun to watch, though. Because he would pepper the shit out of you, and eventually he would knock guys out, too. He was good. And that punch he had, the hop skip. Oh, Christ christ he was fun oh it was so cool to see just couldn't hit him man it was nasty and he jumps at you with the punch yeah he was nasty so uh yeah he did that they ended up you know six rounds they go and
Starting point is 01:03:36 paul is that's nothing to paul you know christ he'll go 10 six more let's go let's do it uh mayweather apparently uh collapsed on down afterwards because he wasn't in boxing shape yet he had a bloody nose and all that sort of shit uh he even said paul's uh paul's manager said quote mayweather wasn't in the shape that paul was i'll give him that but it wasn't his first day back in the gym either the guy was all the guy is always in shape he's the one who asked for the sparring session when they sparred that day mayweather thought he would be getting the better of paul but he didn't. So Paul says, quote,
Starting point is 01:04:08 I feel like when I'm at my best, I'm the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. If it wasn't for some of my stupid choices, maybe I would have had Mayweather's life. There's some foreshadowing for you. And some retrospect. Yeah. Foreshadow and retrospect at the same time. Both, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:24 He says that later on but this it was about that session so august 20th 1999 back to his real life where he's fighting at the mountaineer casino racetrack resort and taxidermy stand over here you know fucking break jesus christ the same place it's what a shithole yeah uh for the vacant ibf title here this is when he i think when he goes up to 140, if I'm not mistaken, he fights Israel, Pito Cardona.
Starting point is 01:04:49 So Chito, Tito, and Pito are literally his, his four out of his last five fights. This is great. It's sizzling. Sam and Chito and Pito and Chibo. You can't throw the Tito and Jermaine out there.
Starting point is 01:05:02 And then just skip sizzling. Sam Jermaine and Janet Latoya. He fights them them all those four out of the five were ridiculous names that's what was i thinking yeah what about sizzling sam over here what was i thinking jimmy and they're all when you're right you're right when you're right you're right what am i gonna say and they're all over there the mountaineer uh what are the other words the whorehouse casino racetrack resort and taxidermy stand slash hospice care lumberyard shrimp hatchery whorehouse several other things rocky mountain shrimp factory yeah we'll see how many more times it shows up i'm sure i've written sure there's jokes for all of them so this is rocky point did i say rocky mountain yeah
Starting point is 01:05:45 no one wants that anywhere i wanted at the mountaineer place no they got it for sure we got rocky point shrimp right out of a we bought them out of a van on the side of the road and then frozen solid and across the country oh well there was ice in there we think it we think they held the whole time this is uh this goes all 12 rounds again unanimous decision for paul 27 and 0 december 17th 1999 he's in pittsburgh fighting it's his home homecoming big fight here uh renato cornet he fights who's 30 wins two losses one draw coming in so pretty good fighter he ends his career 30. 30 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw. So Paul kind of ruins his thunder here. Stops his thunder.
Starting point is 01:06:29 TKO in round 11. So even when he gets a TKO, it goes 11 rounds, which is brutal. That's too long. Too long. 28-0 for Paul. March 3, 2000, he fights Victor El Santico Sosa, who's 24-1 coming in. So now they're matching him up with other contenders. This is, you know, with good fights. This is
Starting point is 01:06:47 when they start putting him on TV. He can't be in against a guy who's 3-15-4 for his career. 42-4-2 for his career for Sosa. So it's a good career. 42 wins, 4 losses. It's not too shabby. This goes all 12 rounds again. A unanimous decision.
Starting point is 01:07:04 29-0 for Paul. May 6, 2000, he fights Mike the Hammer Griffith, who's 23-8 in his career. Couldn't come up with it, but he's on the hammer. All right, sure. Why not? Have you seen fucking the Corolla movie? Calm down. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:16 Well, yeah. I think about 2000, he hadn't seen it yet. No? It was probably just like Greg the Hammer Valentine. Did it come out yet? No. It came out in 2008. All right. Some shit like that. 2007. It was enough. It's actually pretty Valentine. Did it come out yet? No, it came out in 2008. Some shit like that, 2007.
Starting point is 01:07:27 It was enough. It's actually pretty funny. It's a good movie. It's actually kind of a funny movie. Yeah, it's pretty good. He made a good low-budget comedy. It's hard to do and pretty good. And it's actually a pretty decent premise, script.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Everything's decent. It's funny. It's pretty funny. I get a lot of credit for that shit. Very underrated. Goes all 10 rounds again, this fight. So this is just constant. Wins on points. That's rounds again this fight. So this is just constant. Wins on points.
Starting point is 01:07:46 That's his 30th fight. So he wins. He's 30 and 0. Yeah. So, I mean, 30 and 0 is amazing. People are starting to really take notice of him,
Starting point is 01:07:54 including the police. Well, this is a minor one. This is his most, it gets really crazy after this, but this is his most minor. He gets arrested for illegally parking where official
Starting point is 01:08:05 signs prohibit parking how bad do you have to park to go to jail for it that's gotta be arrested for it how much how badly do you have to be parked like sideways in the middle of a major intersection how badly do you have to be parked is it habitual or was like his bumper on the curb you know it's illegally parking i'm 30 and oh i'll park where I want, motherfucker. And how? Yeah. I'm going to put a kid in you. Speaking of that, Jesus Christ, September 9th, 2000 here, he fights Pitbull Rodney Jones, who's 23 and 0 coming in, which sounds.
Starting point is 01:08:38 That sounds impressive. That sounds pretty fucking good. It's at the Mountaineer Casino Racetrack Resort and Used Honda Dealership, which is a nice place. 27-8 career for Pitbull. So this is kind of the end of his rise. This goes all 10 rounds, and he wins a unanimous decision, Paul does, 31-0. Just every fight. God, Lord.
Starting point is 01:08:59 Are we doing the Pac-Man? How many brain cells are left up there? There's not much. They're being eaten left and right. Oh, by the way, he's developing a fucking rip-roaring drug habit too at this point along with his hardcore alcohol use so he literally moved up in weight class not for fighting because it was easier to get down to 140 than it was to 135 after his bloated drinking that's why he went up yeah he literally was like i can't get all the way the fuck back down to 135 i'm i'm gonna get fat and drunk right between fights it's gonna happen so let's plan for it yeah and just move up in weight class jesus christ i'll just fight at 180 i'll fight 170 we'll fight cruiserweight what is it 177 we'll
Starting point is 01:09:36 fight cruiserweight no problem like what is he thinking uh he fights in pittsburgh this time in 2000 uh versus billy the kid erwin Oh, real clever, Mr. Irwin. Yeah, no. You asshole. No, no, no, no. May as well be the crocodile hunter. This is ridiculous. 42-6 career for him, so it's respectable.
Starting point is 01:09:54 All 12 rounds, this goes again. Unanimous decision for Paul. So these fights are boring to watch. May 8, 2001 versus Joel Perez. 34-7-2 career goes all 12 again unanimous decision more brain cells eating eating eating august 14 2001 fights charles holy fucking shit how do i say this uh shoranowski yeah t a wow t s c h o r n i a w s k y A-S-H-O-R-N-I-A-W-S-K-Y. It's a chuh at the beginning.
Starting point is 01:10:28 And a ski at the end. Yeah, chuh ski. Choronowski. Choronowski. He goes by Chucky T. Yeah. That's his middle name. Smart guy.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Good job. It's because he can't even spell it. He figured that out in third grade. Just call me Chucky T. Don't even worry about it. Don't even fucking worry about it. I'm writing that on my paper, so don't think that that guy didn't turn shit in. I'm Petra Gallo, and I'm going, dude, just give it up.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Jimmy P. it is. Jimmy P. it is. Chucky T. it is. Why do you think my social media handles Jimmy P. is funny and not fucking Sharosanowski is funny? So, 25-10-1 career record for this guy this fight surprise goes all 10 rounds uh unanimous decision for paul 34 and 0 so in 2002 he's being interviewed for an upcoming fight on hbo so it's like one of those pre-fight interviews that they show and you know they would build the fight up back then he says i went from having nothing to fighting on hbo for big money he's
Starting point is 01:11:24 talking about basically he's a rags to riches story he on hbo for big money he's talking about basically he's a rags to riches story he said it's he feels like he hit the lottery i think so he's so happy yeah he's got he's got good money coming in at this point too he's a champion he's making decent cash uh he buys a house in pittsburgh and all this type of shit i mean he's doing well uh he says he's gonna look at that thing he doesn't know it've got to look at that thing. He doesn't know it, but you've got to look at that thing and be like, that's just brain cells sitting there. Man, sitting there. That's it right there. Do you see it?
Starting point is 01:11:51 It's funny. You should see almost like on a video game, you can see a character, how much energy they have. Yeah. You need like a brain cell meter. Like, oh, he's in the red. He's in the red. He's in the red. We can't sit him down.
Starting point is 01:12:02 Oh, boy. We've got to sit him down for a while. Yeah. Probably the rest of his life, I'm going to go ahead and say, because he's not going to remember his address. He's going to red. He's in the red. We can't sit him down. Oh, boy. We've got to sit him down for a while. Yeah. Probably the rest of his life, I'm going to go ahead and say. Because he's not going to remember his address. And that's not going to recharge. Yeah. That doesn't go back up.
Starting point is 01:12:10 No, it doesn't. Unless you're Rob Gronkowski and you're so brain damaged that you think you're a doctor now. You think you're a breakthrough medical scientist. Right. Because you've been hit in the head so many times. That's amazing. And a comedian. And a, well, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:23 He's always thought that. You've got a special. That's insane. Insane. times that's amazing and a comedian well yeah he's always thought that is special that's insane insane uh i i i reiterate my earlier thing of if you go to see somebody on stage there's not a fucking comedian expect the worst or you know expect you're throwing your money away and it's terrible i've seen what he does you know what it's so much so much fun. Yeah, I love watching shit like that. Because my chest goes out hard. And I'm like, you can catch all the touchdowns you want. You couldn't fucking sniff my ass in this arena, motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:12:53 Go back to the field, dick. Sorry. There's one thing in the world I'm better at you than. And this is it, dickhead. And you're trying to do it on television? We have found it. Yeah, sorry. No. And you're showing everybody. I'm showing everybody showing everybody really that's what you want to put forward all right so uh he says his manager says about him fighting on hbo for big money and having all the
Starting point is 01:13:16 success his manager's promoter mike arcy or ackery says quote that's part of the problem once you get to paul's level there's not enough tv and fighters aren't busy enough it's not like the old days this kid went from rags to riches and all of a sudden he has a lot of time on his hands yeah this isn't good no we'll say for him some people it's good for not for this guy he doesn't just like think and you know reflect and figure out how to make his life metal he does a lot of yoga is what he's doing now he's really getting his mind straight now uh he fights again march 9th 2002 here in pittsburgh he fights angel manfredi do you remember angel manfredi el diablo no covered in tats scary looking cat he's a scary looking guy good fighter too uh 43 8 and 1 for manfredi here guess what all 12 my god again manfredi here. Guess what? All 12. Again, Manfredi fought, I think, all the kind of one all that, like Mosley,
Starting point is 01:14:08 I believe. I think Vargas, those guys I remember fights in that. The best. Yeah. He was on HBO all the time. Because he's kind of an exciting fighter too. 35-0. Unanimous decision for him. Following this fight that night, he goes out and makes a fateful meeting.
Starting point is 01:14:24 He goes out and meets a young lady. Meets a young lady named Nadine Russo at a local bar after the win. He's sitting, feeling good about himself. First of all, to go out to a bar after you win, most guys go to the hospital after they win because their faces are swollen. They just go make sure, check, you know what I mean? Ice pack, a couple aspirins. Well, they also do make sure you don't any like blood clots floating around in there and shit that's nice you never know you get hit in the head a lot so they do a quick examination on you
Starting point is 01:14:51 after a 12 round fight sure but he goes out drinking oh so uh instead that'll thin the blood clots that'll do it they'll fly right through right through my heart and brain don't worry about it they'll go cruise right through the heart and lungs and on up to the brain and kill me in one good shot now. So he starts hooking up with his Nadine Russo. They begin dating. Yeah. This is his new girlfriend. He says, quote, Nadine was the first person I ever did coke with.
Starting point is 01:15:16 I'm not going to lie. I was scared. Yeah. He said because he liked it. That's why. Very soon after they start dating, he starts using cocaine when she's not even there. It just becomes his thing. And he even was like, you know, this coke is good.
Starting point is 01:15:31 She is right about that. I mean, I like this woman. She's been good for me right away. This coke is good, but I think this coke could be better. What if I just smoked crack instead? Isn't crack better than coke? It's a lot stronger. And also, too, when I'm not really high on crack, I think i should have a fill-in i should do ecstasy constantly he's doing
Starting point is 01:15:49 that too i should do a lot of ecstasy and coke and then supplement that with crack because that really gives you a good rush and booze and booze oh well booze is a constant during all this too he's doing all this while he's at bars drinking that's what he's doing so he's got a bunch of coke and crack and everything else in the system oh my god oh yeah he uh he said after a while he was even taking drugs while training for big fights no the worst of these guys never do that that's once you're training you can't do drugs you don't have the energy to do drugs and he somehow keeps doing drugs and ecstasy pills down his throat with raw eggs does coke and drinks all night and comes in trains in the morning. Oh, boy. No one wins fights like that.
Starting point is 01:16:26 It's very strange here. The fact that he's left-handed helps a lot because southpaws are tough on people. Otherwise, I feel like he could have got beaten up a lot earlier here. Could have been killed. Could have been killed by somebody. August 15, 2002, this all kind of comes to a head. At 6.10 a.m., Pittsburgh police bust through his door in a raid. Uh-oh. They're not looking for him. No a.m., Pittsburgh police bust through his door in a raid. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 01:16:45 They're not looking for him. No. But they're looking for somebody in his house here. He's inside his house and they bust in to arrest a guy named William Morris
Starting point is 01:16:52 who's a friend of his. Really? Oh, yeah. The agent guy? The agent. He's there. Shit. I was just bringing
Starting point is 01:17:00 my client some coke. He's a 25-year-old. He has some crack on him. We'll find out here. This is a series of raids all up and down in this neighborhood. Basically. Apparently, uh,
Starting point is 01:17:10 uh, he sold, this guy had says, William Morris sold crack to an undercover detective on three separate occasions. So at very least, Paul's got a crack dealer in his living room at 6, 10 AM, which is a weird time to have a crack dealer over or a
Starting point is 01:17:25 perfect time to have a crack dealer over one of the two either or he stayed the night they did crack all night yeah he didn't get up at six and was like let me call up my crack guy he was he's still there cops weren't following him around and we're like why is he over here no he they knew he was there for a while well well he was spotted, apparently. William Morris was spotted with another suspect they were looking for, another crack dealer, another local young entrepreneur on Paul's front porch there.
Starting point is 01:17:52 And the chief said they went to arrest him and the second suspect had left, but Morris went inside the house with Spadafora. So they went into the house. They said that it had the looks of, quote, an all-night party
Starting point is 01:18:04 with several open containers of beer and shit knocked over they were up all night partying and smoking crack and shit uh paul's not facing any charges for having you know johnny mccrack a lot over his house he said the they said who knows what the connection is paul's they tried to the local paper tried it out to make it out like he could have been over there delivering breakfast breakfast burritos maybe he was working for postmates we it out like he could have been over there delivering breakfast burritos. Maybe he was working for Postmates. We have no idea. This could have been an Uber Eats situation and just a big mistake.
Starting point is 01:18:37 Turns out, though, nothing to prove he's his friend or worse, his crack dealer, obviously, except for the fact that Paul goes to the police station and bails him out of jail. Get out. So, yeah, once he's arraigned, he bails this crack dealer out of jail certainly his crack I would say that means I need more crack right I'm gonna go get where is that guy he's in jail
Starting point is 01:18:50 I'll get him out I get him out then he can get me more crack he owes me he'll owe me lots of crack oh so much so much crack it's gonna be a good day all I gotta do is get him out
Starting point is 01:18:58 let's go spray him crack let's do it November Jesus Christ man November 9th crack let's do it uh november jesus christ man uh november 9 2002 this is the most ridiculous nickname ever by the way oh boy uh mountaineer casino racetrack resorts and taqueria uh here auction yeah and police vehicle auction he fights dennis the menace oh Oh, God. Holdback Peterson. He's even got a hyphenated name.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Holdback? Holdback. Oh, boy. You can't be Dennis the Menace Holdback Peterson. Oh. He's blonde and looks like a kid, too. Really? He's blonde and young looking.
Starting point is 01:19:36 Coming in, though, 43 and 1. Oh. Don't fucking tell him he's a pussy. I'll hyphenate you all over your fucking nose, buddy. He's a 45 and 3 career fighter when it's all over with this fight goes all 12 rounds uh 36 and 0 for paul he's doing great yeah this is what he calls wealth beyond his wildest dreams which is he has a couple million dollars which is good uh he has a lot a big old house he bought a giant house in his old neighborhood
Starting point is 01:20:01 oh no i'm the king of the old neighborhood yeah that's what he's doing he bought a giant house in his old neighborhood. Oh, no. I'm the king of the old neighborhood. Yeah, that's what he's doing. He bought a big house and remodeled it to have the, you know, ten times nicer house than any other house on the block. And to show everybody how... A terrible investment. How down with the people. A terrible investment. Worst.
Starting point is 01:20:16 Stupid to hang around there with these idiots who are now going to want to take things from you. He purchases a new Hummer, you know, to cruise around in. He's an idiot. He says he has a couple million in his bank account. Life is good. It's the best ever. He says, but he would get bored in between fights.
Starting point is 01:20:32 And he said boredom would lead him to drinking. Drinking would lead him to coke and crack and ecstasy and lots of binges and all that sort of thing. 2002, he does have a daughter with a woman named Crystal Connor. He is dating Nadine Russo, but he has a daughter with a woman named Crystal Connor. He is dating Nadine Rousseau, but he has a daughter with a woman named Crystal Connor. Oh, Jesus. Oh, yeah. That's going to keep coming up. We'll keep track of that relationship here when he trades kids with these women, basically.
Starting point is 01:20:56 May 17, 2003, he fights Leonard the Lion Doran. This is an interesting fight. Doran is 21-0 coming in. Ryan Doran. This is an interesting fight. Doran is 21-0 coming in. He's a two-time Olympic champion, and his record in the amateurs is 239-15. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:21:12 He's a bad motherfucker. He's supposed to be a big-time deal here. Career, though, he ends up 22-1-1 for his career. So it goes from 21-0 and all the promise in the world to it's over pretty pretty quick this is for three belts this is for three championships big fight on hbo huge fight grace oh no this is grace my friends and it's been a it's been a shaky up the air we could have called grace on him at the golden gloves but we're gonna i gave him a chance before he met a girl that likes to give him crack yo that's what i'm saying i got him hooked on coke but no no uh this fight goes all 12 rounds again and it's a draw oh no it is a draw the judge's cards were 115 114 for doran yeah uh 113 or i'm sorry 115 113
Starting point is 01:22:00 for uh for for our boy here and then 114-114 on the final scorecard, making him at a draw. So that's how that works. That is weird that you can win by two points with one judge, lose by one by another, and then still a draw. That's just your judge's final scorecard. You don't add all the points up together.
Starting point is 01:22:21 You get a judge. You don't get the points from him. Exactly. Exactly. You get a judge's decision. That makes him 36- 36 0 and 1 so he's still undefeated uh his trainer says quote paul was pissing blood the week of the week leading to the fight i found out later that he was doing drugs during training camp i used to think it was just the alcohol but i noticed he started doing other drugs if he would have been clean he would have destroyed doran which if he's doing so much drugs
Starting point is 01:22:45 that he's pissing blood... Why are you letting him fight? That's what I'm saying right there. Jesus, man. You just hit the nail on the fucking head. Number one... As his trainer, and you recognize,
Starting point is 01:22:57 and you actually see that. And they say they probably just go, he knows what he's doing, this is how he fights. It's fucking crazy. It's like I take an edible before I go on stage. That's a lot of drugs.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Except a little crazier. You've never pissed drugs. I mean, blood. Never pissed blood. Even if I did, no one's punching me in the face. If you pissed drugs, we're going to really have a problem. That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Christ. We're going to quit this and start selling that. That's what I'm saying. I was going to say, we wouldn't be doing this. What? Bye, everybody. Pissing drugs now. October 24th 2003 he is out uh drinking and out in the street in pittsburgh
Starting point is 01:23:30 and he is arrested for urinating on the street um public and public urination public intoxication disorderly conduct i'm sure he was pissing not just bleeding he could have just been just bleeding he opened up one of his little yeah his little drains and it just came out. Police said they detected a strong odor of alcohol and charged him with lewd behavior and disorderly conduct and the rest of the urinary charges. He posted bond and then went right back to bars. And he describes this weekend as a blur. And it should be a blur for him. It better be.
Starting point is 01:24:03 Well, let's see. That was the 24th, okay? That's Friday night that happened. Saturday night, he keeps drinking, and his night Saturday doesn't end until Sunday morning. And it ends, very interestingly, at a BP gas station across the street from a strip club. It's quite the ending for a night, right? That's wonderful. Early morning,ober 26th uh he is uh with nadine russo his girlfriend at the time not the mother of his kid
Starting point is 01:24:31 but his girlfriend they're driving in his hummer she's the one driving oh she is less fucked up than him now there has been several 90 of the reports say that she's pregnant at this point but then she's fucked up but it doesn't i don't know if she's pregnant at this point but then she's fucked up but it doesn't i don't know if she's fucked up or not but it doesn't make sense of her being pregnant unless we'll talk about it but okay uh listen to what happens here uh so he's got a hummer he's got rims on it and all that shit apparently uh uh wow they go to a bunch of bars they go to a bar that's like a cheap dive bar and they don't stay very long because she doesn't want to be there. It's a shitty place.
Starting point is 01:25:09 She wants to get out of there. He's drinking like a fucking maniac. And so she is also mad at him for that. So she was trying to get him out of the bar. He keeps drinking and drinking. They're fighting and fighting. They go from bar to bar. Maybe this bar. Maybe she'll be in a better mood if i get hammered at this bar do you like me better
Starting point is 01:25:30 when i'm drunk in this place or when i'm drunk in that place that's what it was he would say one more bar and we'll go home one more bar and we'll go home and he'd do that and he kept going from bar to bar to bar finally they were heading back uh supposedly after this all went down and uh russo is driving and apparently uh she took a turn wrong uh turning trying to turn into a gas station didn't see a median and hit the median oh no with the hummer and blew out two of the tires that's hitting it hard yeah hit it pretty hard i'm sure he had like the thin tires on it probably too blew those tires out which if you hit a curb they explode like fucking eggshells yeah that's all they're there for yeah perfectly smooth asphalt that's all they're good for so you have this combat vehicle
Starting point is 01:26:14 that's only good on perfectly smooth asphalt that's it you take it anywhere else all the tires an urban assault vehicle they can go anywhere if you just had the right shoes on just if it's perfect yeah just under perfect conditions it can go into any gated neighborhood and drive comfortably with a with a strong hoa no speed bumps in those neighborhoods are going to give it hell they're going to give it serious they're not going to like that it's going to be tough so apparently she uh they pulled in she pulled into into the BP gas station with the two flat tires. Apparently they were drawn back and forth while this happened. Before it happened.
Starting point is 01:26:52 Then he hit the thing. And he's, what the fuck is wrong with you? And they pull into the thing. Apparently he gets out of the car. They both get out of the car. He screams so everyone can hear her. You bitch! As loud as he can.
Starting point is 01:27:06 You bitch! For fucking doing that yeah uh he continued to curse at her and berate her yeah uh and uh you know until uh as he walked away from her uh so at that point this is fucking insane uh at that point she starts going in her purse okay uh in her purse is paul's gun he has a 38 in his in his in his in her purse because quote she never let him carry his gun while he was out drinking yeah she would carry it for him smart case he needed it yeah apparently yeah yeah then it's at least she has to he has to like ask it. It's an extra second to think about it. So apparently, Jesus Christ, she starts going into her purse after this gun. She says later on, quote, so I was all irritated. I was crying. I just wished I would die.
Starting point is 01:27:56 I couldn't take this anymore. So she goes into that. Apparently, he turned around, hearing the purse jingling and thinking of his gun and he said what are you doing screaming at her or he probably said what are you doing bitch yeah you fucking tire popping skank what the fuck hey skifos what the fuck are you doing so uh she uh apparently at that point she he starts coming toward her and uh she then now she has the gun she produces the handgun. She threatens to shoot him.
Starting point is 01:28:26 But she says, quote, but I was like, but I quote, but I was just playing around. What? No, there's no playing around with handguns. You know, just to make him mad. It's not like I would actually do it, she said. But Paul was all drunk and he thought I might actually shoot. So he was grabbing me trying to get the gun this is her story but this is her story later on yeah so later on when she's
Starting point is 01:28:50 trying to cover this all up for him because by the way she'll try to cover everything up for him uh refuse to testify against him shit like that uh she says this is all going on i'm not sure this is how it went down no in the end it doesn't fucking matter because there's a struggle for the gun and uh eventually paul ends up pulling the trigger and sent uh shoots her into the uh left breast and into her chest oh my god yeah uh that's where her heart is oh that's right by her heart right by her heart uh she staggers backwards through a gas station parking lot bleeding from an open chest wound 38 38 point blank may or may not be pregnant we're not sure if she's pregnant or not by the way uh because many reports and i'm talking new york times you know real spn yeah
Starting point is 01:29:37 real you know sources say she was pregnant at this time but then all of a sudden we never hear about that baby whether it she lost it or whether it was born or anything like that that just disappears wow so the baby's just now magically gone we'll hope that this wasn't she absorbed the pregnancy i was gonna say we'll hope this wasn't just some elaborate abortion attempts here because this would be crazy uh so as she's collapsing uh she's staggering here there's a man standing there uh His last name's Borowski. He's just some guy who's at a fucking gas station on a Sunday morning. He's got a microwave burrito in his hand. He's probably getting a paper and some coffee. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:30:12 Literally, it's like 2003. He's getting his paper and his coffee. He walks outside. There's a bleeding, maybe pregnant woman with a chest wound coming at her and a drunk yelling, you fucking bitch, behind her with with a 38 in his fucking hand. So she says to him, quote, please help me, sir. I don't want to die. So collapse.
Starting point is 01:30:32 And she collapses like into him. And she's her last words are quote to him are quote, please don't let me die. Oh my God. This Borowski guy. So this Borowski guy is like, holy shit. I just came to get coffee and a fucking paper. I don't know how to not let you die. And now you falling into my arms i better call the cops or something oh no i
Starting point is 01:30:48 better help this poor woman who's bleeding as this is happening paul comes over and starts yelling at this guy to quote take your fucking hands off or you don't know who you're fucking with what so now he's saying stop touching my girlfriend yeah so you're trying to fucking, you don't know what's going on. She told me not to let her die. I don't know any of you. This is why I don't go outside. This is why I don't go anywhere. Because he had nothing to do with this.
Starting point is 01:31:16 Completely. He didn't even go to a bar at two in the morning where I say, you know, anytime you're at a bar at two in the morning, anybody punches you, it's always half your fault. No. He's a responsible fellow at 7 a.m.
Starting point is 01:31:25 If you're going to a gas station on a Sunday morning, you are above reproach. Now, you're not. You could be a piece of shit, but what you're doing is above reproach. No one can say, well, you shouldn't have been pumping gas and getting coffee. You're fine. You're not doing anything where you should expect any drama. We'll put it that way. A dying woman falls into your arms.
Starting point is 01:31:44 Holy shit. And then on top of that, what decision do you make? Where's the moral decision? Do I get the shit beaten out of me by some crazy person? Who's probably still holding a fucking gun. Holding a.38 in his hand saying, stop touching my wife. You don't know who you're fucking with? You're right.
Starting point is 01:31:59 She's wounded and you have the gun. Do you just drop her and keep going? Is that how you, as a human being, you can't do that might you have a point sir goodbye you know what just shoot me shoot me in the fucking i would just want him to shoot me at this point because i don't want to make a decision here oh my god uh so police luckily show up quickly to you know quell this whole thing all this poor bastard's like i don't know what to do they asked spatifora what the fuck happened and he told them he heard two or three gunshots from an unknown source and location and i heard gunshots the next thing you know she shot and i'm yelling at this guy because he's trying to grab
Starting point is 01:32:36 her fucking ass i see you you're grabbing her fucking ass don't do it when was this 2003 was that one though was that and it's back east was this when the sniper was happening is he gonna try to blame it on after that well what he does say you're very you're very prescient jimmy his first his first story is he blamed the shooting on quote two black men yeah it's fed away and a fucking monte carlo with the fucking hood drill this is almost like small town murder everybody just a quick thing small town murder a couple weeks ago, we had a guy who killed his mother-in-law and sexually assaulted her and all this shit. He said, here's the story. I broke into her house to kill her, but when I got in there, I walked in the house, there
Starting point is 01:33:17 was a black guy standing over her. He had just killed her. So, I mean, I didn't even get a chance to kill her. Not only did he kill her, he also raped her. Well, he said that. So I went ahead and I didn't even get a chance to kill her. Not only did he kill her, he also raped her. Well, he said that. So I went ahead and disposed of the man. Yes, he said that he then killed the man, just disposed of him, and then felt so bad for his wife, knowing that his, because his wife's a racist and he knows that, so he didn't
Starting point is 01:33:37 want his wife to know that his mother was raped and killed by a black man. Right. So he then jerked off is what his story was. Well, first he gave her a sitz bath first he yeah first he he said he washed her thoroughly inside to get the the black semen out of her and then he jerked it and then put his own fucking uh essence inside of her digitally that was his story that he told the police and they went really that's small town murder that's a guy's story that he told the cops he went yeah see so i'm a good guy here
Starting point is 01:34:09 i was just at home so football this sunday what you doing you want to come over for some egg salad that's what i'm saying so yeah two black men uh he said uh happened to be uh you know happened to be doing this shit up. Yeah. He said, you know, that's how it worked. They said he told he said she was then later on. Five minutes later, they asked him again and he go, she was shot in a robbery. Like, I thought it was two black guys from over there. And you didn't know.
Starting point is 01:34:36 Yeah, they're over there robbing shit. Yeah. Well, then his next story, he has another story. He says that he lost his temper because somebody came out of the strip club and like bumped into him and they got into a fight this prompted gunfire at him that then hit her okay collateral damage uh everything obviously is full of shit uh it's a gas station so it's all surveillance camera of him shooting his fucking maybe pregnant girlfriend in the parking lot and then threatening a man for trying to help her.
Starting point is 01:35:08 Yeah, she says, Nadine Russo here, she says, quote, he was so wasted he didn't even have a clue. Because she survives. Because she survives this. Wow. She does not die. He remembers sobering up in the back of a squad car while paramedics were attending to her.
Starting point is 01:35:20 He says, quote, cops were calling me a scumbag. No shit. You fucking scumbag? You shot your fucking pregnant girlfriend, a scumbag. No shit. You fucking scumbag. You shot your fucking pregnant girlfriend. You scumbag piece of shit motherfucker. Yeah, they called him a scumbag. Of course they did. Also, can we give the guy that was there accommodation?
Starting point is 01:35:35 Yeah. He did what she said and kept her alive. Kept her alive. He says, quote, if Nadine would have died, only me, her, and God would have known what really happened that night. All these people wanted to judge me and they have no idea what really happened. Let's say, well, let's see what really happened. Okay. Even if it's your exact story of, you know, how it went down before you screamed and yelled,
Starting point is 01:35:55 you fucking bitch across a public fucking place at your fiance who may or may not be pregnant. And then when she produced a gun, wrestled it to the point of shooting her in the chest. That's pretty wild. That says people don't just understand what happened story. Not it fell on the ground and hit a rock and ricocheted and hit her in the chest. That would be people will never understand. People understand that.
Starting point is 01:36:17 There was gunplay because you guys are idiots and we're fighting. With a.38. And I feel bad for her because you know what she does? Cover up for him. Yeah. Lie for him. Wow. Lie for him. Wow. Two months later, they get engaged.
Starting point is 01:36:27 Wow. To be fucking married. Well, that's a great crack for the rest of her life. Well, that's a lot of crack. She's earned it. She took a bullet for this crack. Yeah. So what has she been through in her life where this is acceptable behavior from a guy?
Starting point is 01:36:38 Not only to take him around and all the... Most people would have said, you want to keep drinking, fuckhead? Good. Have fun. I'm taking the car. I'm going home. You find your own fucking way home. I'm pregnant. I'm tired of you. That would have said, you want to keep drinking, fuckhead? Good. Have fun. I'm taking the car. I'm going home. You find your own fucking way home. I'm pregnant.
Starting point is 01:36:47 I'm tired of you. That would have been after bar two. Right. Bar fucking two. She went to all these, think about what kind of terrible life she probably had. Abusive and everything else. When he says, just one more bar,
Starting point is 01:36:58 and then they leave that one, he goes, now just one more bar. That's the moment where she goes, goodbye. Bye. Uber home, you idiot. I have to go to the bathroom, and she leaves. Yeah, you can't Uber them, but take a cab who cares whatever so he posts fifty thousand dollars bail that's all it is he's charged with attempted murder all this shit only fifty thousand
Starting point is 01:37:13 dollars bail i don't know why uh uh yeah keeps drinking just drinking and drinking and drinking uh keeps fighting too he's out on bail uh uh april 29 2004 fights the modern day warrior ruben galvan who uh i think that was carrie von eric's uh nickname actually modern day warrior yeah uh 27 6 27 26 and 4 career this fight all 12 rounds really again uh yeah july 17th still fight in 2004 fights francisco poncho azul compost yeah poncho azul poncho azul what does that mean blue poncho fight in 2004. Fights Francisco Pancho Azul Campos. Yeah. Pancho Azul? Pancho Azul. What does that mean? Blue Pancho? I guess. Isn't Azul blue? I think so.
Starting point is 01:37:52 I think so, but I don't know what fucking Pancho is. Pancho the blue amigo? The blue friend? The blue guy? Blue guy. I have no idea what it is. Francisco Campos. 18-0 coming in. 22-11 in one career. TKO actually round 10 though
Starting point is 01:38:07 still had to go 10 rounds still had to get a lot of brain damage in 38-0-1 for Paul September 2004 Paul is out in the streets drinking you know how it is with Paul you know how he does between fights he's out in the streets drinking
Starting point is 01:38:21 he ends the night charged with disorderly conduct public drunkenness, and recklessly endangering another person riding as a passenger in a car. In a car? He got all those? He wasn't even driving. Right. He's the passenger because while the person was driving, he shit-faced thought it was
Starting point is 01:38:38 funny to pull the fucking e-brake while it was moving and cause a fucking accident in the street. Oh, my God. So, you stupid asshole. I've done that. We've all done that as kids but as an adult dark road where there's no other and did you have three million dollars in the bank while you did that fuck no certainly do like let's go back to my nice house where i'll we can drink in comfort right this is stupid uh his at this point his fiance nadine here says, he won't ever quit. Paul will drink starting at 7 p.m.
Starting point is 01:39:07 Then he'll go out. The bar will close. He'll go to after hours. He'll go to a store and he'll get a case of beer. He'll be up until he literally passes out. Paul don't know nothing but boxing and drinking. That's what she says. Paul don't know nothing but boxing and drinking.
Starting point is 01:39:23 That's a sentence I would expect to hear from a woman who's been shot in the chest. Paul don't know nothing but boxing and drinking. He's a fucking I would expect to hear from a woman who's been shot in the chest. Paul don't know nothing but boxing and drinking. He's a fucking bum. He shot me in the fucking chest. He's a piece of shit. We lost a baby. We lost a baby. Yeah, they don't mention that in the papers, do they?
Starting point is 01:39:40 He sent back to jail for a minute for this because, you know, he's out on bail for attempted murder. That's a problem. Kind of a thing. Problem is they're having a real hard time getting this case together because for this attempted murder charge to stick they really need her to not refuse to testify she refuses to testify flat out will not testify against him uh if anything she'll tell stories that are advantageous to him that they know aren't true aren't even possible but she'll tell them anyway they'll be like we see it on video she's like yeah i don't know what you're talking about that's not how it happened sniper two black guys i don't know two black guys that's what they were trying to rob paul i don't know that's what he said he said they said give me your money and he said no i don't want to and
Starting point is 01:40:13 then it was i don't remember nothing did you see the video i was shot in the chest i don't remember shit so uh 2004 a little later on uh he has to turn himself into authorities after violating the terms of his bond. That is because he was free on house arrest after all this. Because they said, okay, stay inside. You don't have to go in jail, but stay in your fucking house, stupid. Okay? You're pissing the streets. You're fighting people.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Pulling e-brakes. Dick's bleeding on the street. We don't need this. We can't have this shit. So he's free on bond with house arrest. There is a random spot drug test where he tests positive for cocaine and he must turn
Starting point is 01:40:52 himself in. He's obviously barred from using drugs and alcohol under the conditions of his bond here. But a December 5th test showed cocaine in his system and he is taken back in. Yeah. So here's what his lawyer says here this is longtime and future and always attorney william uh diffenderfer diffenderfer diffenderfer is his
Starting point is 01:41:12 name uh william diffenderfer that's the name he chose to attack the fucking law system with well you know what he's as silver as they come this guy silver haired middle-aged white man i'm bill diffenderfer. I'm Bill Diffenderfer, damn it. Call me Willie D. Go by Billy D. Billy D. What's the D stand for? Don't worry about it. It's cool. Let's just
Starting point is 01:41:35 say that. I'd rather it be dick. It's pretty fucking cool. Is that enough? Alright. Alright, fine. Diffenderfer. I know. I told you. I didn't mean to lie to you. I'm sorry. He says about Paul, quote, he is faced now with a huge crossroads in his life. Paul's sober life is actually one of a kid who loves people. Somebody who isn't is someone who is totally nonviolent.
Starting point is 01:41:58 He drinks to excess. He drinks to total excess and becomes an idiot. Add to that his environments and problems happen. But when he's sober, he's the kindest person in the world. Well, the problem is he's not in that condition very often. That's the issue. He shot his fiance. He shot his fucking fiance.
Starting point is 01:42:16 You can't do that. Dick and Dicker, shut up. Dick and Dick out of here. Holy shit, Black and Decker. Take a hike. I don't know. How many things did they call i know i guarantee you he was called black and decker hey dildo deffer come over here i don't know what the fuck your name is black and decker dildo dopper i don't know come here
Starting point is 01:42:38 come here pecker wrecker let's go let's go dingus duper. Move a second. Come on. Hurry up. This way, fucker. Backer choker. Let's go. Let's go. I don't even feel bad making fun of him because he just keeps defending this guy. He's an asshole. I hate him. So often.
Starting point is 01:43:00 I mean, everybody needs defense, but not like this. That's too much. Legal defense, not not like not like this that's too much legal defense not moral defense if he doesn't say that through laughing and tears because he's laughing so hard yeah that's what i mean he's the kindest person in the world wink there's a wink in there gives you a little finger gun right you know what i'm saying don't call me pecker choker please let's just say he pays his bills on time right all right retainers so december of 2004 now the shooting
Starting point is 01:43:35 happened october of 2003 so december of 2004 nadine russo gives birth to paul's son so that's not the same baby if she was pregnant. She either never had one or lost the one and got another in the oven quick. I'm not sure. That's the longest fucking pregnancy ever. Or she's an elephant. Either one. I'm not positive.
Starting point is 01:43:56 One or the other. Her gestation period is bananas. It's fucking super long. It's wow. It's a long time. It's just, it's like communism. Please believe it or not it's like 40 years to take hold so uh uh they give birth to a son uh-huh no gino no okay yeah not a junior
Starting point is 01:44:13 it's okay is gino short for june or is that italian for junior no it's gino it's fine it's fine okay thank god i was i looked into it all uh early 2005 he's awaiting sentencing in jail yeah because of you know cocaine charges and things like that. Failed drug tests and general idiocy. And he says, let's do it in their own words. Let's hear what this moron has to say for himself. What do you say? In their own words, quote, this whole time I've been in jail, it's been the best possible thing for me.
Starting point is 01:44:41 I needed to get a hold of my drinking problem. I needed to slow down. I was going way too fast, and this was the way to do it. I think to get a hold of my drinking problem. I needed to slow down. I was going way too fast and this was the way to do it. I think it will be a blessing. I'm going to be back on top, but I just have to take it one day at a time. I'm good now. Let's count the I'm good
Starting point is 01:44:56 nows because they're going to come fast and furious for the next couple of years, constantly. During sentencing, Nadine is testifying for him, saying she needs him and it was an accident and all this type of shit. She pleads for leniency for him during sentencing of this whole thing because he pleads guilty and tries to get out of this shit. They drop the attempted murder charges because she won't testify against him. It just has to be like a possession of weapon for all that sort of shit.
Starting point is 01:45:23 So she says, quote, she said it again in court. Paul don't know nothing but drinking and boxing. That's her thing. That's all she's got. Thank you, Your Honor. She steps down. Paul says, quote, this is his plea for everything. He's facing up to 17 years in prison on this.
Starting point is 01:45:41 He says, quote, I want to say I'm very sorry for what happened that night. And he kept it very quiet. He said, if you can just give me this little chance, I'll make you so proud. I'll make this whole city proud. Yeah. He's trying to. No, Rocky. No.
Starting point is 01:45:54 You have. This is not prideful. We've had enough of you. We've had a lot. You, sir, may fuck off, sentenced to 21 to 60 months in prison. It's a good amount. A little under two years to five years. But he's had a lot of time served.
Starting point is 01:46:08 And we'll talk about it here. So he's out. So he's out. How fast? Soon he's out. He's in for a while. We'll talk about it. But we've got to slow the timeline down.
Starting point is 01:46:18 Because right after he's done getting sentenced, the media gets a hold of a woman who gets the media's attention right after this all goes down. This is Crystal Connor, the mother of his first child. She says that she is three and a half months pregnant with another one of his children. She says, quote, it's due August 9th. Paul knows it's his kid. I'm not sure what he tells Nadine, but we can get a DNA test. Nadine just wants to believe they're this picture perfect couple.
Starting point is 01:46:44 He shot her in the chest. I don't think even Nadine is that fucking delusional at this point. Oh, it's beautiful. Oh, it's me and him and I like my chest wound scar from a.38 bullet that he pumped into my chest at close range.
Starting point is 01:46:58 That's not picture-perfect. I'm sorry. Who's ever been 12 and been like, I want a white picket fence around my yellow house and a raised scar on my chest raised keloid on my chest from fucking 38 wound jesus christ what does prick and stroke or even like throw his hand over this woman's mouth
Starting point is 01:47:19 shut the fuck up i think donald du for has got another fucking complete itinerary here. Nadine wants to believe they're just this picture perfect couple and she's the only one Paul loves. But what's she going to do when I pop this child out on August 9th? She made it sound like it's a TV show. What's she going to do when I pop this child out on October 9th and knock his knife and shove it in his face? Sound like a wrestling promo. What's she going to do, brother, when I pop this child out on October 9th and knock his knife and shove it in his face. Sounded like a wrestling promo. What you gonna do, brother, when I pop this child out on October 9th? Find out at the West Virginia Mountaineer.
Starting point is 01:47:52 Let me tell you something, Mean Gene. What you gonna do, brother, when I pop this child out on August 9th at the Mountaineer Race Casino Resort and Birthing Center? What you gonna do brother unreal the nesting zone the nesting zone so this all happens outside the court so the media turns from crystal connor they just turn over to russo what's your what you got let's go jerry springer i mean holy shit so then at this point she, this is Nadine's response, quote, she's deliberately trying to mess Paul's life up. He doesn't need any help in that regard.
Starting point is 01:48:32 No. He's doing great. He's really good at this. He's in court for shooting his girlfriend. He had nothing to do with her. You know what he knows? He knows fucking up his life and boxing and drinking. That's it.
Starting point is 01:48:42 Those are the three things he knows. Yep. She said, very well. Coke? I crack. I'm just saying, Nadine can sure update his resume of things he does. Probably. What you gonna do, brother? Update his link?
Starting point is 01:48:54 Pop this child out on a hawk's knife. It's gonna be a masculine child, brother. He's gonna start doing... I'm gonna put him on a regimen. Eat your prayers. You're training. Say your vitamins or whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Say your prayers. Say your prayers and eat your vitamins. Say your prayers, eat your vitamins. Eat your prayers and say your... Believe in the power of Spatiformania. This is ridiculous. Believe in the power of Spatiformania. She's deliberately trying to mess up Paul's life.
Starting point is 01:49:23 Spatiform next to her said quote absolutely nuts she's just jealous i'm with nadine right now that's which that's the response no no paul is that a baby in there that's yours is it yours wait don't put the gun away hold on don't shoot it in a minute that's not the problem so his brother harry here his older brother says about this whole thing the media talks to himote, Paul had this lifelong goal to become a world champion. And it's crazy. He actually achieved it. Now there's nothing behind it.
Starting point is 01:49:51 Nothing except disgrace. Which is fucking amazing. That's my guy. Nothing behind it. And he paused, too. They gave it an ellipses in the paper. Nothing except disgrace. Fucking disgrace.
Starting point is 01:50:04 That's amazing. grace was a minute ago oh grace this is far disc yeah this is this is disgrace i should have just said grace at that point that should have been grace except disgrace by the way grace because we're in the disgrace now uh he ends up serving seven more months in prison because of time served and six months in a boot camp environment. Some sort of halfway house boot camp thing that's going on. Some people yell at him for a while. I guess so. I don't know what he's working or keeping in shape.
Starting point is 01:50:34 I don't know what he does. Training. Weird. This was the judge cited the fact that Russo was pleading for leniency in his decision here. He says about the boot camp, quote, I remember looking out into the yard and thinking, this is ridiculous. I was a world champion. I was on HBO a couple months ago.
Starting point is 01:50:52 Well, now you're in fucking boot camp, stupid. Don't shoot your girlfriend in the chest, you fucking idiot. That's how it works. Oh, by the way, so you know here, in 2005, the next year, this is like when he gets out of jail crystal connor gives birth to another one of paul's daughters not the one due on august 9th that one didn't happen but there's another one so he ends up impregnating her again so she like lost it or whatever or lied about that one but then made sure it was true by fucking yeah so i don't know what is going on with this shit.
Starting point is 01:51:25 How does he keep fucking her after she does that on TV? I don't know what's going on. They named the daughter Tua, like David Tua, the fighter, the heavyweight fighter. I don't know. Not what you want your daughter to look like. First name? David Tua, probably. Yeah, that's not good.
Starting point is 01:51:40 Yeah. So he says, quote, I hurt my girlfriend that I love so much. But guess what? I didn't mean to do it. I was blasted. I was messed up on alcohol. For real. The guilt for me is crazy.
Starting point is 01:51:51 Honestly, the guilt. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's driving me crazy. I don't know what to do with it. The guilt. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:51:59 I was drunk and I didn't mean to. No, that's what about. That's a shooting. He's talking about the baby. No, no, no. I didn't mean to. No, that's what about, that's the shooting he's talking about later. Oh, I thought he meant about the baby. No, no, no. He says this is great. Whoever judges me, I got to put it in his head.
Starting point is 01:52:11 Whoever judges me for the mistakes I made, guess what? Guess what? I made the mistake to my girlfriend. And guess who's still with me? Who sticks by me? My girlfriend. Guess who was abused as a child and doesn't know this isn't right and normal? My girlfriend. Guess who was abused as a child and doesn't know this isn't right and normal? My girlfriend.
Starting point is 01:52:27 Guess who with six months of counseling would never fucking talk to me again? My girlfriend. You're going to scream all this at the man that judges you? He's literally a judge. He said that to the media. Wow. That's what he told the media. You know who's not judging me?
Starting point is 01:52:39 Her. Right. She's the one with the chest wound. April 2006, he gets out of boot camp and he's free. He starts training again. November 22, 2006, back at the Avalon Hotel fighting Frankie Panchito Zepeda. Another Chito. Panchito this time.
Starting point is 01:52:55 Zepeda. 16-7 career fighter. TKO in round five for Paul. So he's got a little anger in there. 39-0-1 for him. December 21, 2006, big old fluff piece. There's some good information in this also here,
Starting point is 01:53:08 but fluff piece here on ESPN.com by Kevin Gorman is the guy who did it. Now, they talk about, you know, how he'd get out of control. They said between fights,
Starting point is 01:53:18 he'd have some beer or some red wine just to relax and, you know, have a nice night at home and it would escalate into, you know, just cocaine and out all night pissing blood in the streets.
Starting point is 01:53:29 He said, quote, I could lie to myself for a couple of days in a row. I might have a bar. I might have a beer and leave two beers and leave by the fourth day. Guess what? He likes saying that a lot. Guess what? Guess what? Guess who sticks with me?
Starting point is 01:53:41 Guess what I do? I don't want to guess. What? Just tell me. You don't stop trying to save my girlfriend's life. Guess what? Guess what I'm going to do to you? When he says, guess what? It's the easiest guess. He's leading us right to it. Well, he says by the fourth day, guess what? I get into an argument. I fight. I hurt myself. I punch my hand on a wall. I get drunk and don't know where I'm at i get in the car and run lights it was very
Starting point is 01:54:05 bad i really didn't have a clue i used to say if i can get myself together i'll be all right i couldn't get myself together well no shit stupid yeah if you could stop doing that you'd be good yeah probably if i could stop being a criminal i wouldn't be a criminal yeah dummy uh so he said uh it got worse once he got money because uh had a promotional campaign endorsement from the Pittsburgh Brewing Company, which is dangerous for an alcoholic. Wow. He wore the Iron City beer that's theirs that he wore their logo on his trunks and everything. Yeah. So he would just have as much of that as he wanted to.
Starting point is 01:54:42 The guy who negotiated the deal said, one of his managers here said, quote, it was strictly a coincidence. I never connected the two situations. I never connected the two situations. Silver. Unbelievable. Can just say, a dangerous drunk. I never connected him with a beer sponsor that gives him beer.
Starting point is 01:55:01 That seems, and he has to go to promotional things. That was Cogginsucker? No, that was his manager. his manager oh okay different guy here i said when the when other pittsburgh company was out there but what other pittsburgh company was out there to sponsor him he was just on the verge of becoming a household name nationally reichard deodorant wasn't giving him an endorsement at that point uh he says paul says quote no one wants to say going to jail is a good thing for you but i needed something to straighten me out. I wasn't getting straight on my own.
Starting point is 01:55:28 He's good now, by the way. He said in prison he came to grips with his action. He said he felt guilt about everything. He had mandatory counseling. He just says one day at a time, he's going to get through it. He says, quote, when I have alcohol in my system, I'm not the right person to be around. I'm bad. It's like Jekyll and Hyde. I'm allergic to alcohol.
Starting point is 01:55:46 I can't pick it up. I can't do anything with it. He says, quote, I appreciate the chance. If I fuck it up, give it to me. I want it because I deserve it. If I fuck this chance up, give it to me because I deserve it. I'm not ducking and hiding. If I mess up and fuck up my life after my manager and my trainer and my promoter put
Starting point is 01:56:08 all this time in, guess what? Guess what I need? Again, everything is guess what? Guess what? Guess what I'm going to do? Guess what I need? Guess what he says? After they put all this time in, guess what I need to do?
Starting point is 01:56:20 I need to put the fuck. I need. I need to put the shit away. Yeah. Yeah. Stupid. Yeah. do i need to put the fuck i needed i i need to put the shit away yeah yeah stupid uh yeah he says from now on uh he's gonna be clean and sober i'm good now yeah okay uh that's it his manager says hopefully this final chapter will uh will be that he'll have to have he'll be able to have a positive
Starting point is 01:56:38 happy life the rest of paul spadafora story is going to be dynamite. It is, too, because there's a lot of shit going on here. Quickly, with these last four fights here, March 9, 2007, at the Soaring Eagle Casino. In Oklahoma? Who knows? Probably. One of those places. New Mexico, some shithole. Versus Gail Force Oysen Fagan.
Starting point is 01:57:01 How old is she? She's from Ireland. That's why her name is Gale Force. Yeah, G-A-E-L, like a gale wind. I'm a breeze. I'm a strong breeze, Jimmy. Watch out. Watch out.
Starting point is 01:57:13 I'm a strong breeze. Come and step aside. 27-10 career fighter. Goes all 10 rounds. Split decision, but Paul wins it. 40-0-1 for him for him may of 2007 he is arrested for violating his parole by violating a protection order recently filed by nadine russo against him uh she claimed he pulls her hair and choked her oh jesus this is after he has of course
Starting point is 01:57:40 shot her so there's a history there so back to jail with you for a little bit of while here uh yep he's pretty much fucked at this point he's uh not can't do a fight for a while because he's in and out of jail all these lawyer fees he has to sell his house he has to sell his hummer he says quote i started having trouble looking in the mirror i was always depressed never had any money and never fighting nobody i just didn't have any hope yeah so he's doing bad uh april 25th 2008 at the avalon hotel he fights shad the crazy train howard yeah okay 14 19 and three career goes all eight rounds again unanimous decision 41 0 and 1 uh at that point prunell whittaker starts training him he is a world-renowned champion, amazing boxer. By the way, he'll be a crime and sports subject.
Starting point is 01:58:27 Really, too? He did some other shit, too. He also liked his cocaine and everything else. That's a good guy to be in charge with. Yeah, Whitaker starts training him, which is perfect for him. They had similar styles. Really a perfect matchup. He says, Whitaker says about Paul,
Starting point is 01:58:42 What I liked about him the first day was his tenacity. Paul brought something to the table that's original. I didn't have hooks and uppercuts. I'm five foot six and dominated the welterweight division. Five foot nine with a jab that can snap. That's the only punch he needs. He can win a 12 round fight with that punch. We're going to put it out there and paint a portrait.
Starting point is 01:58:59 I didn't come down here to be his mentor or his daddy. I came down to help this man get a piece of history. God damn it uh he says that he liked that uh paul says that whittaker was a huge influence on his fighting style on his defense that his defensive style was big and also the way he threw vicious body blows that would break people down over 12 rounds uh he says paul does of pernell whittaker on a scale of one to ten i would say it was a nine about the influence of Pernell Whitaker on him. Growing up.
Starting point is 01:59:27 He said, I loved what he did, but I knew I couldn't do that. I like to stand there in front of you more than he did. He could dance. Whereas Paul is more of a bobber and weaver than a dancer. I ordered every one of his fights ever from the first one until he was done. I studied him my whole life.
Starting point is 01:59:42 You know, I'm addicted to boxing. He's addicted to whatever the fuck he's into.'s the thing if you got this guy out in the yard like with a little shovel he'd have the best green bean garden fucking going it would be rows of it he would be taking parts of his house down to extend his green bean obsessed with it he'd be obsessed with it whatever he's into he's obsessed with that's just how he is that's why his rehab guy said he could get addicted to popcorn. He's just addictive. Yeah, I guess the next fight's
Starting point is 02:00:08 a tune-up fight. Whitaker said, this is the last tune-up fight I'm ever going to jump into. I can't keep showing him how to beat average fighters. I want to beat some of these guys that supposedly know it all or supposedly have skills because this kid has enhanced skills and there's no sense to keep putting him in there with an average
Starting point is 02:00:23 fighter taking those kind of risks. He says, plus I'm fighting father time. Let's make that clear. He's 34 years old and he can't do it forever. I think he's got two or three decent years left in him. That's not good. And he would know. He's a fighter.
Starting point is 02:00:37 So June 21st, 2009. Let's get another fluff piece going. We got to really reconstitute the legend. This is Sean D. Hamill wrote this one. Title of it hitting bottom trying to regain the top it's one of those he says quote paul does i made a lot of money in boxing uh he says but i still had that monkey on my back and i screwed up my own life uh when i do uh when i do what i do when i do when i do what i plan on doing it'll be a great story for kids. No.
Starting point is 02:01:06 No. You shot your pregnant. You shot a woman. You shot a woman. That's never going to be a good story for kids. Never tell kids. Never tell kids about you. Don't tell kids you existed.
Starting point is 02:01:15 You can shoot a woman and come back from it fine. That's what that says. That's not great. Tell your kids. Leave my kids the fuck out of this. Exactly. Jesus Christ. I shot your mom.
Starting point is 02:01:23 I'm sorry. Hey, sorry, Gino. Hey, Gino. jesus christ i shot your mom i'm sorry well you know hey sorry gino hey gino uh i believe in in my heart that there's no one who can stop me i feel like i'm better than i was in 2002 or 2003 and pernell has me moving uh here more uh teddy atlas who's a fight analyst for espn said quote things that work fundamentally at 23 still work fundamentally at 33 and i think that bodes well for spataphora he didn't depend on one physical thing he didn't take a lot of punches and he wasn't a set and he was a southpaw which gives guys trouble uh but it will be some of these future fights that will be the portal to determine if we can say paul spatafora has really come back he's good now june 24 2009 in pitts Duque, Ivan Orlando Bustos.
Starting point is 02:02:08 27-13-3. TKO in round six for Paul. 42-0-1 is his record. September 30, 2009 at the Heinz Field VIP tent. I don't know. At the Pittsburgh Steelers Stadium? Apparently, yeah. There was a VIP tent they fought under.
Starting point is 02:02:23 Versus Jermaine uh jermaine white who goes by too sweet hawk i don't know to the number no to like i'm too sweet yeah hawk that's his last name hawk no his name is jermaine white what the fuck is happening i have no idea why that's no idea i'm so confused uh this fight goes all eight rounds. Unanimous decision for Paul. March 12th, 2010, Fort Lauderdale fights Ivan Matador Firoletta, 25-8-1 fighter. This round, TKO in round eight, 44-0-1. That's pretty good. That means killer, by the way. Yeah, oh, it does.
Starting point is 02:02:59 Oh, yeah, Matador is killer. I was like, Firoletta? Firoletta? That's my first thought. It was Firoletta means killer? And then I was like, oh, yeah, Matador isiora Letta? That's my first thought. It was Fiora Letta means killer? And then I was like, oh, yeah, it was Matador. I don't know shit. Oh, yeah, I know.
Starting point is 02:03:07 So, yeah, at this point, they talk about there's more fluff pieces about how Whitaker and him are a good match because they have similar fighting styles. They both had coke problems. They both had outside issues. Whitaker had drug addiction issues. Didn't shoot a woman. They didn't shoot a woman. That's why the promoter put them together they thought they'd be good uh the promoter said quote he was a tremendous fighter but he has the same problem paul had both were southpaws and either
Starting point is 02:03:33 guy was a good puncher but they were both pure boxers uh he says he did a good job training paul but it doesn't help when the guy has the same problem he means boxing and cocaine yeah so it's both uh spatifora says quote we had similar demons and that's what made us bond on another level i knew him he loved me that was my man so it's only last three fights as the trainer but we had similar demons mean we got together and talked about the coke days we uh yeah november 10 2010 at the 20th, 2010 Mohegan sun casino in Connecticut there. He fights Alan Conan Hernandez. Yeah. 18,
Starting point is 02:04:09 11 and two. This round is Conan does not come out for round five. He refuses. So his barbarian creds are a little fucking light right now. 45. Oh, and one, he's still waiting to fight Mayweather,
Starting point is 02:04:21 by the way, Mayweather instead that he thinks this is going to happen right now it was really coming and mayweather instead signs to fight victor ortiz in august of 2011 spatifora said that's a spiral yeah fucking destroyed his whole life that was his money fight yeah how many times have we seen this with these boxers that have that one money fight on the horizon and it doesn't happen it doesn't happen. And it doesn't happen. And that's it. They can't get another one. It's a moment in time. It's gone.
Starting point is 02:04:48 That's boxing, though. That's what boxing is. It's a moment. It's a moment in time. Blink and it's over. Yep. He said, quote, all year long, I was told I'm fighting Mayweather. I had went a year without fighting anyone. I didn't even have enough money to buy a soda.
Starting point is 02:05:00 I thought, no Mayweather fight. I'm done. July 5th, 2011. I'm not sure what happened, but he's arrested for simple assault. He has an issue here. September 23rd, 2011. This is all downhill from that. He's arrested for DUI.
Starting point is 02:05:14 Oh, my God. Yeah. I thought you couldn't afford soda. Well, you can afford booze in a car and gas. Soda's cheaper than gas? I don't know. It's more expensive than gas. He stopped in Pittsburghittsburgh for
Starting point is 02:05:25 driving 66 mile an hour in a 40 uh then he's wasting gas and he's wasting gas gas and you're wasting it idiot uh they said he appeared to be drunk and failed many field sobriety tests many many yeah said more than one he was like i can do it give me another shot they're like fine do the nose thing all right walk through you that one. Now he is with that one more. All right. Check that one off. I can do one more. He's arrested and released into the custody of a friend, though. They don't take him in.
Starting point is 02:05:56 Police are going to mail him his summons later on for DUI. We're going to mail you DUI stuff? I don't know if the jail's full or what. All full. That's awfully sweet of them. That's pretty nice of them. So nice of them. He says, you know what? I'd like to see those gentlemen again.
Starting point is 02:06:06 October 2011, he's arrested for what? Another DUI. Maybe you should have put him in. Guess what? Stupid. And this time, also, for a suspended license, because the license is suspended from the last DUI. How did he get caught, you wonder?
Starting point is 02:06:21 You'd think he'd be more careful this time, this master criminal. But how does he get caught? He crashed into a parked police car with cops inside of it so that is awesome not great at that point where'd you come from fuck oh i could just pull oh shit that's a cop car damn it all right well i can pretend it didn't happen no i can't no i can't fuck i leave a note nope they have their own notepad they're not gonna like that they have their own notepad so at this point he's super fucked he's months behind on child support for both women uh at one point he has to squat in
Starting point is 02:06:57 an abandoned apartment that doesn't have heat running water or electricity yeah nothing he just has to squat in an apartment like the wire he has to live a bubbles lifestyle at this point okay each day he said he would this is his daily regimen he said oh no he said he'd quote cry snort cocaine smoke crack and then cry some more as he pondered the path of his career and deterioration of his life oh boy, boy. Cry, snort, smoke, cry. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's quite the day.
Starting point is 02:07:28 It's a bad day. He said he'd rest an AK-47 assault rifle on his lap and gaze at it for hours. Why could he afford that? He said the gun was loaded always, and he said, quote, I was ready to rob and kill a drug dealer. I had it justified in my mind. He was figuring, I'll just go out and shoot some drug dealers and take their drugs. Because fuck it.
Starting point is 02:07:46 Wow. What year was that? This is 2011. Was the wire out yet? The wire was over. Oh, so he... Like four years. So he'd maybe seen it. He'd seen the whole thing.
Starting point is 02:07:54 He's like, I'm going to Omar this shit. I'm going to do it. I'm going to put on a trench coat and they're all going to know me. I'm going to be Bob's. There's Paul's coming. Paul's coming. Everybody's going to run. September 12 of 2012, he's sued by his former manager who accuses
Starting point is 02:08:06 him of breaching his contract uh they said that the fight the humberto toledo fight was fought without permission and that he didn't receive his cut of the paycheck and uh yeah spatafora says he plans on filing a suit a countersuit saying that it was an attempt to interfere with him fighting in a fight that he wanted to fight september 27 2012 sentencing for dui uh he is sentenced to four days of alternative confinement oh after pleading guilty to two counts of dui one count of driving with a suspended license i think that's house arrest so you sir may go home yeah fuck out of here go home i don't want to see you go to your abandoned abandoned fucking desolate shack go squat with that ak yeah uh august 18 2012 mountaineer casino racetrack resort and auto part depot uh very bad recycling recycling center uh this is the humberto toledo fight that's awesome we've had so much fun with that fight.
Starting point is 02:09:06 That's so great. He fights there so much, you have to. Otherwise, it would have just been boring, me saying it over and over. I've got to come up with a lot of different places here. This is not great. Holy shit. So, 46-0-1 there. He beats Humberto Toledo, whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 02:09:22 He fights now. He's had Sizzle and Sammy. Now he fights Style and Solomon. I swear to God. There was Sizzle and Sammy. Now Style and Solomon Egberim. Yeah. That's some name.
Starting point is 02:09:33 He probably fights outside of his barbershop. I would say, yeah. 23-4-1 career. Unanimous decision round 10. 47-0-1 for Paul. Now, February of 2013. God, I wish this would have happened he wants to fight adrian broner oh my god if you've not heard that episode you need to
Starting point is 02:09:51 listen to the adrian broner episode he said i think that's a perfect fight to make i think he's a great fighter i followed his career and he's looking better with each fight and i would love to get the opportunity to fight him by the way he's not done done his craziest shit in this episode. It's coming up right now. Oh, boy. A couple things. Summer of 2014, he ODs on heroin. So ends up in a seven-month stay at a transitions recovery program here. Oh, my God. While he's in there, he files bankruptcy. Officially files bankruptcy on August 7th, 2014.
Starting point is 02:10:22 Mortally and financially. Mortally and financial bankruptcy. Moral, physical, and financial bankruptcy. He's just done. I've got nothing left. The well is dry. I have overdosed on heroin. Oh, God. I've shot a woman.
Starting point is 02:10:37 That's not the most embarrassing thing he's done so far. It's coming up. Don't worry. Chapter 7 bankruptcy. I don't know. August 5th, 2015. He's out. He's clean. Fluff piece time. Get the fuck out. Oh't worry. Chapter 7 bankruptcy. I don't know. August 5th, 2015. He's out. He's clean.
Starting point is 02:10:46 Fluff piece time. Get the fuck out. Oh, every time. Every time. Sportsillustrate.si.com. It's Chris Scarnati is the writer. And the title is, quote, finally sober and still undefeated. Spadafora wants a shot at Mayweather.
Starting point is 02:10:59 What is he doing? It's just fine. This is just fine. He says, quote, a lot of the public thinks I'm a thug or a bad guy. That's the misconception about me. I'm actually a good guy. I don't want to hurt anybody. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 02:11:11 Paul Roy Jones Jr. This is great. He says, quote, Paul is a 37 year old white boxer who's never been beaten. And that's just unheard of. Yeah, I was joking, but it's a pretty good joke. Pretty good joke. He said right now he has the best record outside of Mayweather, but he should probably be dead or in jail for life.
Starting point is 02:11:28 God must be looking out for him in some kind of way. Didn't say whether he'd fight him. No. He just said he's lucky to be alive. Interesting. And walked away. He's obviously way too heavy for him. Right.
Starting point is 02:11:36 30 pounds heavier, but still. Yeah. Now he's covered in tats, too. He's got them on his face. Really? He's got tats next to his eyes, his arms, his neck. He looks like a really tatted up crackhead now looks like a meth head yeah he looks like he looks like a heroin addict he's got tats that look like they're in involuntary places put it
Starting point is 02:11:53 that way like someone was just like i will fucking tattoo your the side of your face look at that now what do you think yeah yeah somebody drew on him in his sleep. His whole sleeve. He's got all of this. He said he's talking about his Jesus Christ, his his tattoos. And one of them says truth. And he said, right, there's the word truth. And it's surrounded by an ecstasy pill, crack pipe, needle, heroin bag and a gun. He says, tracing over to that. He says, all of these things nearly ruined my life. Not nearly.
Starting point is 02:12:26 Fucked him up good. Yeah. He said his manager said, quote, or he said about this because his manager said, you know, I'll work with you again. And he said, I made a deal with my new manager. If I do drugs, I'm out. One slip up and I'm done. And for me, that means death. So, again, I'm good now.
Starting point is 02:12:43 Final thought from Paul on this. He says, quote, I want to be remembered as a world class fighter and a'm done. And for me, that means death. So again, I'm good now. Final thought from Paul on this. He says, quote, I want to be remembered as a world-class fighter and a good person. I also want to be remembered for my resiliency. I've already made a comeback.
Starting point is 02:12:52 I'm still fighting. I've already turned everything around and not everyone gets that. People living in crack houses quit on life and usually give up, but I won't stop until a title is won
Starting point is 02:13:02 and it's going to get done. I'm good now now sorry i didn't mean to interrupt you he's already won a title so you can quit now yeah you can quit being an idiot you can quit boxing you can quit doing drugs you can definitely quit drinking yeah or quit shooting women oh yeah you could quit all that you won a title long time ago that's true you know what you can just fucking throw yourself in front of a car next time or bus or whatever you want find a train yeah one that you probably ride around because you're fucking homeless yeah that one just jump on the front of it would you just stay on it all day because there's nothing else to do april 6 2013 another
Starting point is 02:13:38 fight you know fucking mountaineer casino racetrack Resort, and Red Cross Blood Donation Center. This is for the vacant NABF title. He fights Red Hot Robert Frankel. Red Hot. Red Hot, Sizzlin', Stylin'. Stylin', Sizzlin', Red Hot, Cheeto, Dito, Pandito, Caronito, Caramello. I don't know what the fuck's going on. Unbelievable. He's a 37-22-1 career fighter.
Starting point is 02:14:06 He's still fighting. His last fight was in July of 2019, so he's still going. All goes, all 10 rounds, unanimous decision. Paul wins again. 48-0-1. He knows how to just point people to death. He can just do it. Pernell Whitaker taught him.
Starting point is 02:14:18 November 30th, 2013, Johan El Terrible, or El Terrible Perez, or johan that sounds el terrible perez that's what i'll say if any if there's any spanish things that sound terrible that sounds el terrible i know it means done it doesn't work but it's still fucking funny i get it it sounds the terrible the terrible that sounds el terrible uh this terrible. That sounds El Jareple. That's my Spanish language show. This fight goes all 12 rounds. Are you shocked, Jimmy? No.
Starting point is 02:14:53 Loses by split decision. Now I'm shocked. Split decision. Almost. You can't. You just put your faith in the judges that many times? You can't do that. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:15:04 He said, quote quote he fought a good fight i fought my heart out and i'm not ashamed of nothing i may have dislocated my left elbow i felt i hurt him to the body i'm disappointed with my performance i was reaching because i couldn't get in close enough it was just things together i did that i went to the store i hurt my left elbow i'd like some spaghett. I want a fucking new drug. One that won't make me sick. Wait, no, that's Huey Lewis. All done. Keep going, Huey.
Starting point is 02:15:32 Keep going. Fuck, man. July 11, 2014. This is his last fight, finally. It's in Pittsburgh. I like how there's crime and boxing all the way through. And there's the craziest crime still yet to come. He fights Hector Charo Negro Velasquez. Oh, that to come. He fights Hector Charo Negro Velasquez.
Starting point is 02:15:47 Oh, that's not good. His name is Charo Negro Velasquez. Charred black? I don't... Don't do that. Charo... Is that what Charo means? Because Charo is...
Starting point is 02:15:54 Yeah, it's... Charo, too. Isn't that charcoal or some shit? That's the lady who fucking... Is it charcoal? I don't think so. I don't know. Black black?
Starting point is 02:16:01 I don't know. That's a lot of black. That's Velasquez. So Charo Negro. I'm not... It's not my name. It's his. 56, 30,'t know. That's a lot of Black. That's Velasquez. So Charo Negro. I'm not that side. It's not my name. It's his. 56-30-3, his career.
Starting point is 02:16:09 Goes all eight. Unanimous decision. 49-1-1 is Paul's record. May of 2015, he's facing a criminal complaint of him taking his brother's supplemental security income card. His fucking SSI card. Oh my God. He's stealing his food stamps, basically.
Starting point is 02:16:27 Yeah. Yeah, Spadafora was present when the cops got there. Quote, police reported that when they went to the home, Spadafora denied having the card and used obscenities while ordering them off the porch. He's a good guy. Pacharo's a Mexican cowboy. That's a black cowboy. A black cowboy.
Starting point is 02:16:43 So he's like J.Ru the Damager. He's got the wild style black cowboy. like that that's good shit uh so uh that's a good name it's a little better so after a minute his brother says never mind i i was just i don't know what i was thinking i guess he didn't take my card when paul said i will fucking shoot you in the chest if you don't take back your fucking story so yeah he takes back his story but still a misdemeanor theft summons to him anyway uh also he is pulled over and has arrested for not registering his motor vehicle at one point here december 31st 2015 he is given citations for no uh dog license with a dog license required for his dog and no proof of rabies vaccination for these fucking animals
Starting point is 02:17:25 either you're walking it right by the dog catcher apparently ever asked for that where's the license on with this guy though he's probably being arrested for something else uh let's see april 4th 2016 a a convenience store clerk tells police that paul appeared to be drunk while he was holding a blueberry muffin in one hand and an open folded, an open folding tactical knife in the other. So he's got a blueberry muffin and a knife. Yeah. Like, which is a very odd.
Starting point is 02:17:52 In the gas station? Yeah, like a convenience store. While he's wasted. And he was yelling incoherently while wasted. Yeah. The defense attorney said it was a prank. Yeah. It's a prank.
Starting point is 02:18:00 Yeah. You know, you pull a knife on someone and hold a muffin in the other hand. It's hilarious. You never did that to anybody. What the fuck is wrong with you? Jesus. He said he only pulled the knife so he could spread butter on the muffin. With a tactical knife?
Starting point is 02:18:12 With a tactical knife. Jesus Christ, man. He said, quote, Spadafora approached. Jesus Christ. This is the police report, not the lawyer. Spadafora approached the counter at Sheetz, which was a place, with a blueberry muffin in his left hand and an open tactical knife in his right hand and began yelling at the store manager. The manager was unable to make out what he was saying, but was extremely scared for her well-being because he was so fucked up she couldn't even understand him.
Starting point is 02:18:36 He's just going with a knife in his hand. Right. Scary. You know, police officer officers spoke with him outside the shop. He says this is what this is the police report quote spadafora was belligerent and kept advising officers quote i'm not gay i ain't no fag okay i know i got a blueberry muffin but that doesn't make me fucking gay okay i'm i don't know why you would say that to the officers. They ask him what's in his hand and he's like, I'm not fucking gay.
Starting point is 02:19:07 That's what I mean. So this is directly from the report. He's, well, I'm not gay. I ain't no fag. As I spoke with Spadafora, I noticed a strong odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from his breath, slurred speech and red bloodshot eyes. As the officer said in the complaint, he was taken not to jail. He was taken to his mother's house what? let's take him to his mom's house
Starting point is 02:19:28 he's 40 fucking years old what are you taking him to his mom's house for? they take him to his mom's house and later on charge him with harassment and public drunkenness okay later on that evening oh by the way this is the one charge harassment course of
Starting point is 02:19:44 conduct with quote no legitimate way this is the one charge harassment uh course of conduct with quote no legitimate purpose that's the actual truck you have no legitimate purpose to do what you're doing to do what you're doing that's that should be at the end of everything doing that with no legitimate purpose stupid no reason to do it i guess no reason to to threaten a convenience store manager to scream i'm not gay i'm not gay. I'm not gay. Later on in the evening, he's so fucked up that day that they can't even understand him. And he's whipping
Starting point is 02:20:11 knives out in stores. Later on in the evening, he's at a bar. Oh no. He's going back out. His mom let him back out. Good decision bringing him there. He's at the Redstone Tavern. Let's be honest, she kicked him out. Probably. Get the fuck out, Paul. Can you get the fuck out of my house?
Starting point is 02:20:26 You're 40. You're 40. Him and his brother went to the Redstone Tavern about 3 p.m. By the way, that happened in the morning. Oh, my God. Now he's still up. It's 3 p.m. He's having a fucking blueberry muffin.
Starting point is 02:20:36 On a Monday. This is on a Monday morning. You know the convenience store's manager is like, the fucking week is starting now? Like this? We're going to start it like this. Jesus. It's not even Friday night, for Christ's sake. He came in around to the Redstone Tavern at 3 o'clock and started playing pool.
Starting point is 02:20:53 The bartender said, quote, he seemed pretty like he was intoxicated. Not intoxicated liquor-wise, but like he was on something else. You know who would know that really well? A bartender. They're really good at telling what people are on. doesn't look like booze watch them yeah and you literally watch someone go from sober to drunk in front of you you can see exactly where they are it's amazing and when they get up to go to the bathroom and come back more fucked up but not alcohol yeah then now they're like hey i want to go a couple more drinks how you doing get you a drink get you a drink drinks on me let's
Starting point is 02:21:20 do this you're like well you couldn't walk to bathroom. How did you backflip from the bathroom? Whoa, that was impressive. After a few drinks, a patron of the bar named Taz here, he says that Spadafora, quote, started harassing from the other end of the bar, from one end of the bar to the other end of the bar. Quote, who wants to box with me? Who wants to fight with me? Oh, boy. He starts screaming. Who wants to box with me? Who wants to fight with me? He starts screaming. Who wants to box me?
Starting point is 02:21:45 No. Everyone just kept in their seats minding their own business is what this guy says. But he gets to a woman because he's going down the bar. You want to fight me? Yeah. You want to fucking fight me? Who wants to come on box me? He would see me on HBO.
Starting point is 02:21:58 He gets to a 63-year-old woman named Liz uh apparently knocks her hat off her head oh come on fight me 63 year old lady come on bitch come on bitch i shot a girlfriend i'm not afraid i'm afraid of you i shot a woman so takes her hat off her head as she goes to get her hat he starts drinking her beer she gets up says why i drink my beer he puts her in a headlock 63 year old lady puts her in a headlock and starts dragging her around the bar in a fucking headlock the bitch what do you think i drink your fucking beer somebody fight me i'm gonna keep fucking with her gets her in a headlock lets her go eventually she goes outside to call police she's like i'm'm going to go. He chases her outside and throws her down on the concrete as she tries to call the police.
Starting point is 02:22:51 He is such a bully. He's a fucking psycho. He threw a 63-year-old lady down on the ground for trying to call the police. He put her in a headlock. And stole her beer. Like he's in. That was a total like junior high move. You want to fight me?
Starting point is 02:23:04 Pop the hat off his head. What? And then get him in a headlock. Drink his chocolate milk. He gave her a noogie. It was totally messed up. So yeah, he obviously wasn't even supposed to be in the bar because he had been banned from the bar, quote, because of an incident in October where he did some other crazy shit. This was a few months ago.
Starting point is 02:23:19 So the bartender said, quote, he spat a four, a quote, shook her in a headlock for a little bit and then started drinking her beer again. So he dragged her. I was like, all right, I drink your beer there. She's like, I'm going to call the cops. And then he's like, no, quote, he goes out there because he heard she was calling the police and went out, grabbed her and threw her on the ground. The bartender says, quote, Liz stayed on the ground for a while. The patrons around the bar said she was bloody her leg was bloody and her hand was bloody they helped her get up uh a few minutes later his
Starting point is 02:23:51 brother uh and him uh leave the shopping center where the bar took place and police and an ambulance arrive moments later uh the police end up uh he ends up getting arrested for this yeah uh he's going to be getting a summons for simple assault and harassment and just being a general dickhead. By the way, still not the craziest thing he's done. And we'll do this episode. It's coming up right here at the end. It's insane.
Starting point is 02:24:13 So now he's he wandered away from there. Shit faced with his brother. Right. OK, where do they send him home? They sent him. No, he is. He walked away. He was.
Starting point is 02:24:22 He walked away before the cops got there. Wow. So they just wandered off into the day and it's into the day, and three o'clock in the afternoon, and then the cops are pulling this lady on a stretcher and fixing up her wounds and everything like that. They're so shit-faced. Yeah. They have nowhere to go.
Starting point is 02:24:36 Right. He's shit-faced, so they're like, bars won't let him in the door, shit-faced at this point. All right. You know, whatever. So they start drinking in the park like fucking teenagers. This is what's going on with this guy they're sitting there for a while and fucking you know just drinking and and asking people to fight right then they hear some dogs barking he's like maybe these dogs will fight me but it's not anyone who'll fight him it's bobby colorado animal trainer from fredericksburg, Texas. And he says.
Starting point is 02:25:11 How is it you come to arrive here? What the fuck is wrong? Hey, oh, Paisan. They sent me here for a fucking reason. No, you don't understand. They said Vince McMahon. Yeah, he wanted to talk to you. I told him to stay in the fucking car.
Starting point is 02:25:21 I said, this one's mine. I know how to talk to ones like this. Listen to me. You fucking jerk off. You understand me? That's what your father never said to you. He never said, oh, jerk off. Quit what you're fucking doing. I'll give you a fucking smack. He never gave you enough smacks I don't think. By the way, get your dog
Starting point is 02:25:36 a fucking rabies shot. It's your dog. It's your responsibility. You know what? Give me that fucking dog. I'm taking this fucking dog. No, I'm going to train him up right and I'm going to keep him. I'm going to give him to somebody who fucking deserves it. You son of a bitch. Hey, you stay the fuck away from me, too. You fucking brother.
Starting point is 02:25:49 Get out of here. Both of you. That's right. You think you're a fucking big shot. Fuck you. I'm getting out of here. Poof. And a poof of dog shit and marinara sauce.
Starting point is 02:25:57 The Spadafora brothers are very confused and they get home and go, my uncle stole my dog. They don't even know who did it. Didn't even know it was Bobby Colorado. They just thought it was an uncle of theirs. May of 2016, he agrees to take anger management classes to resolve the charges that he put a 63-year-old woman in a headlock, drank her beer, and threw her to the ground when she tried to call the police. You got anger management for that?
Starting point is 02:26:20 He should get worse. Yeah. Because way more comes. Also in May, he pleads guilty to disorderly conduct from the convenience store incident and pays a $300 fine. And now we come to the crazy. December 21st, 2016. Holy shit.
Starting point is 02:26:37 Police are called to the Spadafora residence with Mama Spadafora and two younger Spadaforas here. This is his brother Charles and his brother Charles Marisco, who's got his mother's last name, I believe. And Jesus Christ. And they are there. The three of them is apparently around 6 p.m. on December 12th.
Starting point is 02:26:58 Holidays, Jimmy. Think about it. Christmas vacation you can be watching. It's jingle bells and there's lights flickering you got a tree up oh as well yeah oh well non-alcoholic eggnog i hope here whatever uh apparently not for him he is holy shit he is holy shit where's the tylenol he is uh what his mother calls quote highly intoxicated at this time. And he's angry. He's accusing his brother of taking Christmas gifts that Paul had bought for his son, Gino,
Starting point is 02:27:32 and pawning them for drug money. Oh, by the way, his brother Charles is super into drugs, too. Together, the two of them. Real good combo. Pawned Christmas gifts. Pawning his Christmas gifts stolen from under the tree and sold them for drug money. So the argument starts obviously. This escalates
Starting point is 02:27:49 to Paul stabbing Charles in the thigh with a 10 inch kitchen knife. Oh my god. Okay. So there's that. So he's arguing with his brother. Does all that. So then his mother tries to get in the middle and he strikes his mother and knocks her to the ground.
Starting point is 02:28:05 He hit mom. He fucking hit his mom. He shot his maybe pregnant fiance, put a 63-year-old lady in a fucking headlock and fucking hit his mom. Hit his junkie mom. And stabbed his brother in the fucking leg with a 10-inch kitchen knife.
Starting point is 02:28:23 Listen, this is partially her fault. Yeah, this isn't his. It's true. This isn't his folding tactical blade. Thank God. Yeah, too bad Silvio's not alive. He could have fucking punched him right in the mouth. Hey, Silvio, take that, you fucking sperm donor.
Starting point is 02:28:35 This is incredible. Yeah. Oh, then when his mother tried to get up, he kicked her in the back as well. That's going too far. That's a little far. You know what? I was on his side until then. But, you know,
Starting point is 02:28:47 officers arrive after this melee to find cooking utensils and broken ceramic items on the front lawn. He's emptying drawers outside. He's throwing shit out the door,
Starting point is 02:28:58 literally, and he, Jesus Christ, and they say the boxer, quote, assumed a fighting stance when police arrived. Yeah. Spadafora, quote, assumed a fighting stance when police arrived.
Starting point is 02:29:05 Yeah. Spadafora, quote, assumed a fighting stance, shouting, quote, I want a fair fight to the police. Who don't tend to do that. Put weapons down, you pussies. They don't tend to do that. No. Their whole thing is we have the advantage because there's more of us and we have all the guns. So usually if we're coming for you, there's not a fit.
Starting point is 02:29:23 They're not like, you know what? He's trees, right? Let's not be. Hey, let's not be pussies about this sergeant come on you're out of line so we kind of want to make this uh unfair in our advantage for sure he then lunged at the officers and tried to throw one down a flight of stairs before he was tackled by another one as he was trying to throw the guy uh he then told his mother as they were uh as they were tasing him spraying him with fucking mace and trying to cuff him he was yelling to his mother that he was going to quote kill all of these officers not good uh so then they stunned him more they put the mask on him they have to put the hannibal lecter because he started spitting at the cops there. So, yes, he, Jesus Christ, challenged him to fight.
Starting point is 02:30:06 Tried to push one down the stairs. Spit on another. Kicked his mom in the back. Then when he's on the ground, even in the mask, he says, quote, Mom, get all of their names. I know they have to live in this city. I'm going to kill them. So now he's threatening to come back for retribution on police officers who were there to keep him from beating up his own mother.
Starting point is 02:30:27 Okay. Merry Christmas. So they said, he said, take this fucking mask off. And they said, we have to have it on you because you spit at us. And he said, good. That faggot got AIDS now. What's his line? Huh?
Starting point is 02:30:42 I don't know. Now he's claiming he has AIDS. Oh, okay. And spit on someone, even though he'll claim now he's claiming he has aids okay and spit on someone even though he'll claim later he's not it doesn't have aids but again with the f word here with the alternate f word why are you going there why why is that your first no need no need for it it's just terrible so he says that he's happy with that he's charged with seven counts of terroristic threats four counts of aggravated assault two counts of aggravated harassment by a prisoner.
Starting point is 02:31:06 Because once they take him in, he continues to be belligerent and try to kick and fight and punch and bite and spit on anybody that gets near him, refusing to do all sorts of shit. That'll get you longer charges. Yeah, that'll do it. One count of simple assault and one count of possessing an instrument of crime. So he's tased up a whole bunch, taken into custody. And Jesus Christ, his mom, I know his mom fucked up a whole bunch taken into custody and jesus christ his mom i know his mom fucked up a lot in her life and she did create this right his parents created this but at this point you're just like jesus christ i mean he has a kid yeah he has a kid doesn't he has a
Starting point is 02:31:38 kid yeah even nadine you're like you know you want to say i don't feel bad for her she keeps going back but she had a horrible life too it's damaged, too. She was damaged to get into this, and now she has a kid to deal with, and him and all this shit. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Paul Spadafora. What? Global Price Vice President of Product Development, Engineering, Business Development in the Detroit metropolitan area for Magna International. What is that? It's a company. I don't know. Bikes? I don't know. Magna. Bikes? I don't know. Magna international what is that it's a company i don't know bikes i don't know magna bikes i don't know magna that sounds like it would be but yeah
Starting point is 02:32:10 mountain bikes yeah paul spadafora sales manager at scally's quality meat sink oh i got fucking meats over here come get your salami i'm paulie spadaa. I got it all over here for you. How many Spadafors are there? Well, Paul Spadafora, president and lead broker at Spadafora Insurance Agency Services, Inc. Oh, don't use that one. Oh, boy. Oh, that one sounds crooked as fuck. Yeah. Paul Spadafora, sales development manager at Anheuser-Busch, Inc. in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Starting point is 02:32:42 Kaiser Bush Inc. in Charlotte, North Carolina. Paul Spadafore, a camera guy with an IMDb profile, worked on The In-Laws, The Circle, and Pressure as an assistant cameraman, third camera operator, and camera loader from lowest to highest. And there's a bunch more. Really? That is not even close to all of them. How is there so many?
Starting point is 02:32:59 So many Spadafores. Well, I guess Spadafores. It's a common name in Italian. Nicky, Vinnie, Tony, and Pauly. In the Italian culture, it's actually not that. I've heard of multiple. You know Spadafores? I've heard multiple Spataphores. It's a common name in Italian. Nicky, Vinny, Tony, and Pauly. In the Italian culture, it's actually not that. I've heard of multiple. You know Spataphores? I've heard multiple Spataphores.
Starting point is 02:33:10 Yeah, and also Spataphoree with an I on the end because they got mixed up when we came here a lot and just gave you a different vowel. So, February 2017, prosecutors drop assault charges against him for stabbing his brother and kicking his mother because they won't cooperate with police to keep him charged. Mom, this is why. You're not cooperating is why he's going to keep doing this shit. I think we were mistaken. No, I fell down into a sharp thing. That's what happened there. I tripped.
Starting point is 02:33:40 So he's still charged with threatening city police officers and spitting on one. So that's not going to get away with. Yeah, he waives a preliminary hearing. The hearing does a bunch of shit there. His mother does not appear, and neither does his brother, because they will not testify against him. Diffenderfer, who's still his lawyer, is trying to get a bond hearing so he can get Spadafora out of jail to get him in an inpatient alcohol rehab center.
Starting point is 02:34:06 Yeah, he says the remaining charges will be resolved. He says about him, this is silver as can be, boy. Christ, just before your eyes turning silver. Other than some serious issues with his upbringing, Spadafora is fine and just needs some help with alcoholism. He says, quote, I love the kid. He's truly remorseful for what happened to the police he told me to apologize to the officer he's charged with spitting on and i did he's extremely remorseful for what happened with the police he actually loves the police he just wanted me to apologize he loves the cops this fucking guy uh he says as far as family issues that's a whole other matter extremely complex yeah i would say when you're stabbing your brother
Starting point is 02:34:44 hitting your mom shit shit's complex. The judge, on the other hand, a little less light on him. The judge has a little more to say. The judge says, and I quote, you don't choose to get cancer. You don't choose to get multiple sclerosis. You don't choose to get any other form of disease. But what you do is choose here to use drugs and alcohol. I don't know about that.
Starting point is 02:35:04 As he continues to do it, he continues to do it. It's done. Sooner or later, society has to say enough is enough. Yeah. If he was just doing that, I would say that's a little bit out of line. But the fact that he does all that and then beats up women and gets whole ladies in headlocks and attempts to fight police officers. Stranger old ladies.
Starting point is 02:35:22 Stranger old ladies. Not just his mom. Which is worse. Yeah. It's a stranger. Stranger old ladies. Not just his mom. Which is worse. Yeah. It's a stranger. It's definitely a stranger. So, yeah, one of his attorneys says, quote, it's a smart move for the mere fact
Starting point is 02:35:33 that the preliminary hearing's a week away and it's going to be issues arise as well as treatment is going to be necessary for him to partake in any of this, basically. He's too drunk to deal with any of this shit. July 4th 2017 brother charles stabby yeah uh other end of the stabby stabber uh found dead of a drug overdose no like father like son here actually he's not that one's son so whatever the lifestyle genetics though are you
Starting point is 02:35:58 know whatever equally important but not quite the determining factor. So, yeah, he's the half-brother here. He had a drug overdose. We don't know exactly what happened. But we do know that earlier this year, after he was stabbed, but before he died of a drug overdose, Charles was arrested and charged with exposing himself in public after neighbors reported he was yelling, drinking, masturbatingating and urinating from the front porch of his home which is directly across the street from an elementary school you can't do that is happening in this story you're not allowed to do that holy
Starting point is 02:36:39 it's my property i'll do whatever I want. No. He was pissing while yelling and tugging. He was tugging in public in front of kids. And pissing. I don't know if at the same time jerking a pissing dick. I don't know. So he's in court again for his, you know, after he gets out of rehab for the stabbing and all that shit. And his lawyer says that he was extremely intoxicated at the time but has since completed rehab and is staying sober he's good now jimmy he's gonna be sober if he wasn't he fucking better be drunk as fuck with that
Starting point is 02:37:17 behavior i said his his uh diffender first said quote paul went nuts on his brother he said but he's been he's been sober since then. He did a six-month program inside the county jail and a six-month lockdown inpatient program. He's good. Yeah. They also said, by the way, he's now showing signs of dementia, and we have to deal with that because he's got CTE. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:37:39 He's got dementia issues now. He doesn't remember shit. He's killing his brain with punches, drugs, and alcohol. Just the punches, just the drugs and alcohol. one of those he would be fucked up in trouble uh he says that he's now working in at a gym in punxsutawney training boys to box he's just like the local pro basically uh yeah he asked that his probation be transferred there uh he doesn't want to be there it's in punxsutawney like like groundhog day yeah uh he says quote spadafora tells the judge quote it's hard for me to be clean when i'm in pittsburgh
Starting point is 02:38:09 yeah i would say he told told the judge he started drinking alcohol at six he said if i would never have had a drink in my body i would never be in the county jail or the penitentiary i wouldn't be in any trouble well then you found cocaine and crack and ecstasy and everything else uh he pleads guilty to resisting arrest and simple assault on the people that day uh the judge says this is great the judge says quote the court looks at you like a real failure a failure of yourself and a failure of us that's fucking wonderful don't let me see you back here again you sir they fuck off time served and probation. Oh, boy. He gets to walk out of there.
Starting point is 02:38:46 He's coming back. That was, you know, fucking a year ago. Yeah. So he's out there. Can't get enough. Wow. He'll be back. Don't worry.
Starting point is 02:38:54 Don't worry. But on eBay, there is a Paul Spadafore signed Everlast boxing glove. Yeah. It's pretty cool. It's only 30 bucks. That's a deal. Yeah. It's pretty dope.
Starting point is 02:39:03 And then a picture. They also have a Paul signed picture of him boxing, like boxing in the ring on eBay for $19.99. So you can get some Spadafora signed gear if you want. Signed 38. I don't know why, yeah. I don't know why you'd want that, but holy bullshit, is that a crazy story. Is that one of the weirder ones we've had, or what? He's just broke out there somewhere, broke.
Starting point is 02:39:22 Oh, yeah, he's just broke. He's working at a boxing gym just trying to stay af thing afloat he's got dementia he can't box anymore i mean what's he gonna fucking do i can't honestly yeah he's not gonna go start doing corporate speeches or anything best show ever isn't this show great this is read the story going did this happen this is amazing oh man if you did like that story go ahead and tell us about it go to apple podcast give us five and tell us about it. Go to Apple Podcasts. Give us five stars. Tell us you're following instructions or directions.
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Starting point is 02:40:22 Zanies is a crazy club it's going to be fun it's so much fun we're going to have a blast there if because Zanies is a crazy club. It's going to be fun. It's so much fun. We're going to have a blast there. If you want to follow us on social media and find out when these shows are announced and things like that, you can do that very easily. At Crime and Sports on Twitter and Facebook. At Small Town Murder on Instagram. If you want to be an even bigger hero, let's say you love the show and you just feel like, Jesus Christ, we're at two hours and a half plus of a crazy story
Starting point is 02:40:47 and all this shit. And this is hilarious. What can I do? What can I do to make sure this never stops? I'll tell you what you can do. You can go to Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. You can make a donation there or go to PayPal and use our email address, Crime and Sports at Gmail dot com.
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Starting point is 02:41:22 We should recognize them. I think we should recognize them. I think you should hit me with a list of people who are so wonderful. Our producers, Jimmy, give them to me now. This week's executive producers are Kim Minkler, Jaina Dickens, Jordan Bennett, Marianne Kahn, I think. I'm not good at this. Jessica Dowd, Susan McQuilkin.
Starting point is 02:41:44 Hey, there you go, and Stephen Tuthill. Well, shit, thank you. Thank you guys so much. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much. You guys go the extra mile for us, and we can't do it without you. Thank you. Other producers this week are Freya Hagen, Alagina Huber, T.T. or Tet tet or teat might be teat okay could be uh anna anna caro
Starting point is 02:42:09 carowana hurricane yep karenina katherine green julia crowley ferrena ferenga uh sunny johansson harley's toys uh seam seamheads.com uh thomas. Alicia Massey. CL. That was the easiest one that I've done this week. Yes? No? Pete Rock? Is he on there? I don't know. What's going on?
Starting point is 02:42:30 Who is that? Who are we talking about? CL Smooth and Pete Rock. Oh, I don't know him. Never mind. Never met him. 90s rappers. All right.
Starting point is 02:42:36 Rachel Lammenham. Lammen Man. Jude Kendall. Kim Lefevre. World. No. Ingrid. Ingrid Song, yeah. Jeremy Smith, Jimmy Lewis, Brendan Ables, Colorado Dragonfly, Josh Clarkson, Gina XL, Samantha Diffendaffer, Andrew Lee, yeah. Jesse Hartman, Aaron Gerber, Liz Childress, Adam Udaini, Jewel Brom, Aaron Gerber, did I say that?
Starting point is 02:43:10 I think I did. Trinity, or Trinite. It might be Trinite. It's probably Trinity. Adam Udaini, I said that. Reagan Shalkley, Eric Friedlander, Laura Torres Carpenter, James Marder, Kristen Kostrub, I think, Kelly Brown. That's easy. Amanda Stanford, Corey Eugene Kuhn, Andrew Bassanet, I think that's right.
Starting point is 02:43:40 Okay. Trey Valkner, Kerry Johnson, Todd with no last name, Susanna Platt, Elena Dillard, Richard James, Liz Vasquez, and Mark Vasquez. Two different people. Two excellent people. Carly G., Luke McQuiston, Lainey Marie, Alphelia Cox. That's what it is. There you go.
Starting point is 02:44:03 Got it. Gary Howard again. Thanks for coming out, Gary. Good to see you, is. There you go. Got it. Gary Howard again. Thanks for coming out, Gary. Good to see you, brother. Aaron Lehman Gamble. Maggie L. Jeremy Bethune. He donated both ways.
Starting point is 02:44:15 Thank you so much, Jeremy. Pete Oberhaus. Shannon Van Alt. Anna Ann Winter. Bex Ailes. Javette Clark. Kyle Goedert. Go Goedert, I think it's Goedert. Yeah, Goedert. Probably.
Starting point is 02:44:31 Yeah. Sean, no last name, Sparrow Estes, Sarah Martin, Chelsea93. Yeah, I think that's probably not her last name. Lauren Ocello or Olelo. What did I do? I think it's Ocello. Cherry. No, Tracy.
Starting point is 02:44:48 Tracy Renninger. Renninger. We met her, by the way. And she came to a show with her son. Oh, yeah. Remember Tracy? Yeah, it was cool. Nice to meet you guys.
Starting point is 02:44:55 Ashley McKeown. Jamie Worrell. George, George, George, what is that? George Georgopolis. That's what that is. Hey, nice. That's a tough one. I like it. Jason Lewis, Carol Chan, Jen Lamb.
Starting point is 02:45:09 Jen Lamb, thank you very much. Jay Musto, Whitney Gregory, Makeout. I don't know what that is, but look it up. Don't look that up. That might get you weird websites. You never know. Tanya Payne, Brittany Hughes, Aaron Ishiok. He donated both ways again also. Tanya Payne. Thank you. Brittany Hughes. Aaron Ishiok. He donated both ways again also.
Starting point is 02:45:25 Thank you, Aaron. Eve KB. Adam Keaton. No, Heaton. Adam Heaton. No. Yeah. Adam Heaton.
Starting point is 02:45:32 Crystal Walker again. Alana Michelle. Kurt Atherholt, I think. I hope. God damn it. I'm terrible at this. I'm trying so hard. Tara Pratt.
Starting point is 02:45:43 Michael Dunbar. Jordan Barrett. 13 Foxtrot. Andy Holt, Bridget Barnhart, Emily Allen, Randy Martin, Holly McCaster, McCasker, McCasick, McCasick. There you go. There it is. Cal Paxton, Dina with no last name, Laura, Laura Yarel edward kaczynski mariel pelletier mariel pellet mariel pelletier i think that's right not bad uh lauren gray amanda jones eli smith john mize alex eldridge e-bitch from p-town uh fuzzy dunlop chris lehors lehors fuzzy dunlop is a wire reference is it
Starting point is 02:46:22 god damn it i missed it because I don't know what that is. Andy Matiller, Conchata Rowe, Ryan Fisher, Laura Meister, Shmoop McDouble. Nice. How do I nail that first try? Right away. That doesn't stumble me up. Kara Samuels, Rosa Lujana, Brandon Wagner, Margaret Feltner, Rachel Mazza, Ben Johnson, Avery Reed, Ariel Torres, Jeffrey Gladden, Thomas Hyatt, Raphael Corno, Jesse Hingle, Janet Gray, Stephen Haywood, Aaron Studer, Samantha Angela, Kate Castice, Joanna Perkins, Heidi Wallace, Kimberly J., Angela Santos, Meg Shattuck,ans. Yeah. Nikki Wheeler, Lindsay Sage, Tiffany Winstead, Lindsay, Lindsay D, male, maley, Doug Hoff
Starting point is 02:47:32 and all of our Patreon supporters. You guys, I tried so fucking hard. Thank you. Like a stab wound to the thigh. Thank you, Jimmy. That was that's how crisp that was like a 38 to the chest of a maybe pregnant woman. Thank you guys for everything. Honestly, you guys are the best and you keep the show going and you keep us wanting to
Starting point is 02:47:50 do it so much because you seem not because we're going to get money. They seem to like it. If we stop, they'll be sad. We really do that. We feel like responsible for like, we need to put it out. If we stopped this, they'd be sad. And then we'd be sad because then people would be like, where's crime and sports? And we'd be like, I know it's funny, right?
Starting point is 02:48:04 It's our favorite. It's our favorite. What then we'd be sad because then people would be like, where's crime in sports? And we'd be like, I know it's funny, right? It's our favorite. It's our favorite. What if people wanted to tell you anything at all? What if they wanted to tell you about their drug problem, about their upbringing? How could they do that? It happens. I like those messages. You can find me at Wisman sucks.
Starting point is 02:48:15 W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks on Twitter, Instagram and Snapchat. And I appreciate whatever you guys have to say. Where can they find? Where can they tell you how special you are, James? I'm very special. You can find me at JimmyPIsFunny or copy and paste my last name from the show description and find me that way.
Starting point is 02:48:31 It's a lot easier. But until then, I think we've had about as wild a story. This was the best one ever. This is an instant classic. This is like Blood Green level fucking classic right away. The Italian Blood Green. I can't decide which is better, the lawyer's name or the. The Fenderfer.
Starting point is 02:48:49 Or the casino. Yeah, or the casino. The casino or cock and sucker. There's so much. Cock and looper, dick and sucker. We love Jesus Christ live from the Crime and Sports Studios. We will see you next week. Bye.
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Starting point is 02:49:54 She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin.
Starting point is 02:50:09 His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything.
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