Crime in Sports - #18 - More Ted Bundy Than Gandhi - The Wasted Potential of Tom Payne

Episode Date: May 31, 2016

This week, we bring you a man who had the potential to be both a sports, and cultural icon, after he was the first black player on the University of Kentucky basketball team, then moved on to the NBA. Instead, the only thing he contributed to culture was guest starring on an episode of Night Court... and persistent, heinous violence. Let's just say that he's not quite Jackie Robinson.All of this, plus... In Their Own Words, Mistaken Identities, and the Silver Haired Middle Aged Man of the week!! Break the color barrier, pull on your high tops, and go directly to jail with Tom Payne!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Go back and check that out, how many huge corpses are found in Texas that episode. And it was a murderer in Texas, and it turned out that it went a lot deeper than the murder. The coach got fired. It was a big scandal. And all this stuff. It was deep like we got into it in the episode well it's their bailers back in the news again they can't stop can't stop whole athletic department stripped to the bone sex scandals whorehouses assaults it's a fucking disaster we can get into that one i can't wait eventually not today eventually we'll get into that down the road it just happened we don't know shit it just happened

so yeah but that i just want to give you an update on baylor's still fucking up and if you want to hear about their their the culture of baylor a little bit you can hear the carlton dutton episode waco texas and you also get to hear about a guy who killed his teammate and tried to bury him in the desert and everything else so that's wacky but uh definitely let's get started here our guy today oh my goodness here this is a fun one this is a this is a crazy one because culturally this is say the word culture again but like this is a wacky episode i yeah that's why i had a coverage i can't i can't fucking wait for this it's's Tom Payne, guys. Tom Payne.

Tom Payne. Jimmy's laughing because it's Thomas Robert Payne Jr. June. Of course. Guys, stop naming your fucking kids after me. What the fuck? Stop it. How does it keep happening?

This guy had no indication that this would happen. It's his father, his family. It's not their fault. No, no. Rock solid. A bunch of other children that turned out wonderfully. His father, his family, it's not their fault. No, no. Rock solid. They have a bunch of other children that turned out wonderfully. This is a top-notch family. But the one that fucks up

is the one he named Junior. Of course. It's every time. That's what's going to get you. Stop naming your kids after yourselves, guys. But this one, this is a crazy case. And he didn't murder anybody, but it's worse. And he's the way he did.'s just an awful person and the way he could have not been an awful person he could have been this guy could have been an icon could have been somebody not a sports icon even too but like a culture he could

have been like a kareem abdul-jab Yeah, he could have mattered for generations to come. Yes, he could have mattered, once again, culturally. And instead, he chose to be a complete and total waste of any culture or society that was in front of him. He's born Thomas Robert Payne Jr., born November 19, 1950, born in California. The family moves to Kentucky when he's a child now he where he was born he was the longest baby ever born in the hospital he was in because he's huge this guy grows up to be born to fly basketball yeah seven foot two we're talking he's a gigantic human being this will come up later to his height in his case and everything else born three foot six born yeah he was yeah yeah, by his poor mother. Good Lord.

But it made a lot of sense. It's still coming out! Well, he's the oldest of nine children, but after him, they were probably flying out. Like, you know, it's a water slide. They're shooting out of there,

you know, with a bathing suit and some swimmies on, just firing right out. No problem after this. His father was a master sergeant in the U.S. Army. Oh, wow.

Yeah, he's a no shit. no fucking around man. No messing around. No fucking and then yeah he's a no shit no fucking around man no messing around no fucking around and he's got nine kids so yeah that shit is kept in line or else the house is going to be on fire constantly so you know mother also smart his mother has a biology degree uh so she's a real smart lady biology degree so she knows how how babies are born and she still manages to have fucking nine of them slow down lady from what i understand too they're not like overly religious or anything like that they just like pumping kids he this guy got home from the army and he's like i want to get fucking that's

all there is to it i've been yelling at people all day yeah and i've had a raging boner i've got a berry open up the water slide honey because it's coming through yeah so uh unfold that slip and slide let's go yeah his other siblings eight siblings other than him obviously nine kids they have a total of 14 degrees wow there's lawyers there are doctors ministers successful family very successful people uh basically a discipline stressed in the household as you might imagine oh i imagine and an army That man will fuck you up. Especially, too, 1950.

So we're talking a 50s black Army Master Sergeant. Holy shit. He has taken no shit from anybody. He's probably the scariest man alive. He probably looked like Dave Stewart, the old pitcher for the A's. Just stared you down. I'll bet he was the fucking...

Did you ever see Major Payne? Yeah, that's probably... That's probably... And that's his goddamn name. That's... And it's Payne. His name is Payne. And, oh my goodness.

This is the weird thing, too. I don't get this. He didn't start playing basketball until he was a sophomore in high school. What the fuck? He's enormous. But I guess he was very, like, lanky, but still, good guy.

How do you not just accidentally walk through the school yard and be like, I can touch that rim? Yeah, just tip it in for a minute. This is easy. He goes to Shawnee High School in Louisville, Kentucky. He becomes dominant immediately because he's enormous. He's really athletic, too. Nobody's that tall.

Yeah, he's super athletic. He's recruited by UCLA also because they were the dominant force at that point ucla with john wood and this is right after uh kareem abdul-jabbar lu al-sinder gotcha left so i mean they were the dominant and they needed somebody big force yes i mean they're looking you see this guy he's no joke uh in 1968 sports illustrated did a piece on him he was seven foot one 215 pounds at that point. He just told them that he loved to block shots. That was his thing.

But he'd like to do more than that because in high school, his senior year, this is insane. These are Wilt Chamberlain numbers. This is ridiculous. He averaged 25 points and 29 rebounds per game in his senior year. He's averaging more boards than points, and he's scoring 25 points. That's amazing. That's just dominating the whole game. He was giving the ball

to teammates just to be generous, just to be a nice guy. I could put it back myself, but you take a shot. I could easily put the 50 on this night, but it's your turn. My arms are getting tired from raising them so much. It's just a lot. But also, he's recruited by University of Kentucky, which is an enormous deal. A, because he's from Kentucky, and that's the big deal.

But University of Kentucky and their history, we have to know a little bit about. They were a college powerhouse. Adolph Rupp was their head coach. College powerhouse through the 50s when things weren't integrated yet. When there was a bunch of white guys. When it was all white dudes. Yeah. The white Wildcats.

Starting in 1960, every team that won since then had an integrated team. Ah. So they're starting to catch on. Yeah.

Once they got black guys in, it was a different story. Like, shit, we can't win anymore. Yeah. And I mean, in 1967, they started kind of

under the radar recruiting top Kentucky high school players. Guys like Wes Unseld and stuff like that. But they didn't go there because they were all a little afraid of the whole thing. Sure. And it was weird because no black guy ever played there. It's Kentucky. Now, they had integrated like there was like a track and field guy or something.

But nobody gave a shit. Nobody watches fucking track and field. Basketball's what they gave a shit about. And at this point, the times had passed them by. I mean, they were still a good team, but they weren't winning national championships anymore with a bunch of white guys.

We got Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the middle. I'm sorry. You're not going to beat him. No, it's not going to happen. It's not happening. So, yeah, they were... Even if you've got Wes Unseld, it's not happening.

It's rough. Wasn't he a tubby fuck? I imagine when he played basketball, he was probably... Later, with the bullets, he was... bullets, I think he was a little... And the nuggets, too. I think he coached them, too. Anyway, he ends up declaring he's going to Kentucky June 9, 1969. So he becomes... He is the Jackie Robinson of Kentucky.

And this is a big, huge deal. I can't overemphasize... A 7'2 deal, this is what this is. What a big deal this is. People there do not like this. I'm sure. At all. It's Kentucky.

In the 60s. He's burned an effigy on campus. Holy shit. They actually burn a... How nuts is that? He's a kid. How do you walk past that at 18 years old and just keep going? And they're hurling slurs at him.

And that's at home. That's at home games. This is at home games. This isn't when he goes to Mississippi or Alabama when they're giving him death threats and they're spitting on him. I mean, this is no shit here. He gets there anyway.

He doesn't do well on the testing for the entry, so he has to sit out the 1970 season. He plays for an AAU team called jerry's restaurant awesome sounds like a little league team that's awesome like when you're sponsored by like the elks lodge and the local toyota dealership bad news bears yeah so he's yeah exactly so he plays there in 1970 it's an aau team though jerry's restaurant jerry's it's not

even like no it's not even like denny's it's some fucking po po-boy, po-dun-town Jerry's. Who the hell knows what it is, too? It's outside of Louisville. He actually goes to school in Kentucky. His parents pay his way through his freshman year to wait for a scholarship, which nice of them to do. Nice to have parents that'll do that. They're good parents, like we said.

Then he meets the academic requirements while he's doing that. Gets everything up to snuff. Ready for the 71 season. Rough season for everything. I mean, the racial slurs, threats. Just, it wasn't easy. His little brother, Daryl, was just talking about when they go to the games and they were like, you know, pretty much the only black people there.

And everybody at the home games with him and his dad are shouting these racial slurs. And his dad's like, in the Army. That man doesn't fuck around. Yeah, and Tom Payne, too. He said he grew up on Army bases, which are completely integrated. He said he didn't grow up with that. No.

So he didn't realize. This is foreign to him. Yeah, it really is. And it's in California. No, this is in Kentucky. No, where he grew up was in California, right? He grew up mostly in Kentucky, though. Oh, did he?

He was only born in California. Oh, okay, all right. I mean, he gets it, but it was on Army bases. So, I mean, he goes to school with Army kids who are used to... Yeah, they're used to seeing... That's it.

Their next-door neighbor's a black guy. They don't give a shit. It's no big deal, right? So he just didn't get it. His teammate here at Kentucky, a guy named Jim Andrews, who comes in,

we'll talk about him later, too, because he's a... This guy's a trooper. He's a teammate for life, this fucking guy, no matter what you do. He said, quote, it was very tough. The racial slurs and other cursing and threats that were made, he couldn't help but hear these things.

Yeah. Which I could imagine. Well, it's mostly farm people in Kentucky that are pissed that they don't have their free labor anymore. Yeah, it's, it's. And they're going to take it out on the guy that's free that's dunking on everybody. Yeah, I mean, they should at least. They're living. But, I mean, people live vicariously through these colleges. Who cares?

He's yours. You should just be happy that this man is playing for you. He's helping you win, goddammit. Yeah, he's happy he's not playing for another team. You have to yell at him for it. He's not coming in with fucking Louisville or whatever and dunking all over you. Exactly. He's dunking on them.

That's perfect. For you. You should be happy. Lighten up your scoreboard. Be happy, goddammit. Stop being dicks. So, I mean, he had a temper on the court, had some incidents, which...

I think I would, too. And you know what, too? This, too. I mean, you don't know what they're saying to each other talking shit down there. You know these guys are trying to gag him on, I'm sure, also. Some fucking white bread power forward from Alabama coming to your house and

yeah and listening to what his father said while he was growing up and now he's got a black guy that he gets to push around all game and in this story it's kind of like this like you're kind of giving you can give him the benefit of the doubt through 80 right now I'm totally on his side you're on his side and even when things go askew yeah you, there's a lane to be on his side because you're going, hmm, we'll get to this. But 80% of the story, and then he just,

it's very making a murderer. Like, through watching the documentary, you're like, they fucking got him. They are bullying this motherfucker. Then you hear other shit and you're like, wait a second, no.

Everybody's a scumbag, like we've discussed before. No, he killed her and they're scumbag because you were bullied uh yeah so i mean he there's a game against tennessee where i he going up for a rebound he flips a guy over a guy named jim woodall flips him over gets called for a flagrant uh in the next game against tennessee down the road in the season the rematch he flagrantly fouls the same guy again woodall and gets tossed from the game because and like i said who knows what what what all's elbow and what all's mouth must have been

out of control yeah i'm sure what all deserves it probably also ejected in another game for arguing with a ref's call he's just generally an angry kid right now and it's got to be hard for him so i'm kind of on his side but pull but on the court 17 points a game 10 rebounds solid fine that's solid as a as a for basically he's a sophomore but he's a freshman yeah i mean in all he's a freshman yeah that's a great that's pretty good great job yeah absolutely uh so things are going well for thomas pain here tom pain uh and then the summer comes uh-oh much like eddie johnson much like eddie johnson the season kicks it all off the summer would come so the summer comes, much like Eddie Johnson. Much like Eddie Johnson, the season would go well. Goddamn, 4th of July kicks it all off.

The summer would come. So the summer comes. Now, it comes out that Payne is now missing. He didn't do his job well in school this year at Kentucky. He's missing some academic hours. Probably not going to be eligible to play next year is what it comes out as. So, first of all, the university's pissed off at him. Of course.

Because now he's talking about leaving. Because the NBA this year, for the first time and only time ever, really, does this. They hold, in September 10th, 1971, they hold what's called a hardship draft. And it's for... Ineligibles are able to get drafted. It's for underclassmen that want to join. Oh, wow. So they can come out. So 13 of these guys do this at the time. and it's ineligibles are able to get drafted underclassmen that want to join oh wow so they can come out so 13 of these guys do this at the time tom pain included because he wants to get

paid yeah he's also married has a young daughter at this point jesus christ so he's thinking he put himself into a situation that he needs money yeah and he doesn't have the credit hours to play next year so the only option he's got. From heaven, this hardship draft. This is amazing. That's what I mean. This guy had every opportunity in the world. He's the Jackie Robinson of this, and he played it well. He flipped the guy over or whatever, but he didn't kill anybody at this university.

He represented himself well and everything else, and now he's going to join the NBA. I feel like his dad had a talk with whoever the commissioner of the NBA was at that time and was like, look, I will fuck you up if you don't create some hardship or something. I think it was the opposite. I think when he got drafted, his dad went to him and he said, if you need to give my boy a whooping, you give him a whooping.

I ain't going to be around to do it, so you do it. I don't care, but when someone need a whooping, it need to be delivered. It need to be done. He's a youngster now. Make him spit shine your boots or something. And basically, if a team made a pick in that, in that, in the supplemental that year, then they couldn't, then they would give up. Then they lost it.

They would give up the 72 pick. Right. Representative to it. So he's pick number two in this draft. Good for him. Yeah. Only five guys get drafted. Number one is a guy named Nate Williams, who had a pretty decent 10-year career in the

NBA. Average 12 points a game. You know, playing the NBA. Outside of that, anybody else come out of it? No, it was a bunch of guys that were really... A bunch of scrubs that probably deserved a hardship. Yeah, but he gets paid for it. He gets an $800,000 contract on Payne. Wow. In 1972? 1972. He's paid. That's pretty impressive. That's paid. This is 71 he gets drafted. So, I mean, he's fucking paid. Yeah. He does well. He's happy.

That's why he did it. His baby and his wife are set. He has some troubles, though, here. Oh, no. He has some big-time troubles. First up, you can tell, I don't know if he would have been eligible anyway because of this. Precursor. He gets a speeding ticket in his brand-new Cadillac.

This is before the draft. This is before the draft. This is in the summer. Speeding ticket, and the car is registered to a Pennsylvania car dealer. Oh, boy. What the fuck would a University of Kentucky freshman basketball player have a... Why would he have a Cadillac that's registered to a completely different state auto dealer nowhere near them? That's insane.

So they figure it out basically apparently this was a common thing back then we've all you know know about recruiting violations and everything boosters a little more flagrant back then apparently teams in the nba and aba were both courting him and rumor has it was the cadillac was from the pittsburgh condors of the aba we're uh yeah We're trying to recruit him. He goes basically... So he gets some illegal gifts. Yeah, so he is ready to leave for Atlanta.

Do they end up letting him keep the car? It's his car. I mean, at that point, he leaves college. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't fucking matter. I don't know if Pittsburgh Condors yanked it back when he went to the Atlanta Hawks, maybe. But other than that, before he leaves... Now, also, too, he's a freshman and he leaves.

He's one of the first one-and-dones. Think about that. The one-and-done that is what Kentucky is now. Kentucky basketball now, they get the best talent. They have to play one year in college before they can go to the NBA. They're aware of that. Coach knows that. They recruit them.

They come in. They play their one year. They get the fuck out. Coach knows that. They recruit them. They come in. They play their one year. They get the fuck out. This guy didn't happen quite on the level like that, but same thing, though. Still a one and done. He is stopped. He's about to leave in 72 here for Atlanta,

but before he can, he is stopped. He is questioned by the police for a possible assault. Basically, prosecutor Paul Richwalski said, quote, a rape victim came forward and identified him as her assailant. She recognized him from a picture in the paper. From a fucking arrest in the Cadillac? No, no, no, just from a basketball game. They're just saying, this guy's great. She's like,

he ain't that fucking great. Now, when she had originally gone to the police, she told the police that he was a giant guy over seven feet tall. The police thought she was full of shit.

The police thought she was just, you know... They drew like the... The silly broad over here thinks the guy's seven feet tall. Six-four. Right. So they write six-four.

And so now that rapist is 6'4". They really did this. They really actually did this. Unbelievable. So they write on the report 6'4". Like True Detective, they've got like the spaghetti monster. Yeah, that's exactly what,

it's, it's, it's insanity. And they can't find the spaghetti monster that's 6'4". He's 6'4". So he, so they question him because then she sees his picture. Yeah. And so they go, okay, and they go question him, but they go, but they go well you're seven one the report says you need to be six four right

so can you squat for us have a good time in atlanta yeah they send him on his way so he goes to atlanta but this does not go away good keep this in the back of your mind folks and uh it's it's it's very interesting she won't shut up and i like her for it she won't shut up, and I like her for it. She won't shut up. And for a minute, you're going to think otherwise, though. But it's odd. Okay, so he goes to Atlanta. Let's brush that under the rug for a second. Has a complete nothing rookie year.

He gets 4.1 points per game, 2.4 rebounds. Does nothing on the floor. Oh, shit. But, I mean, he's a skinny kid. He's 20 years old at this point. To be expected, basically. He's Greg Ost skinny kid. He's 20 years old at this point. Yeah. To be expected, basically. But still. He's Greg Ostertag.

He's Greg Ostertag. It's, it's, things start to go a little off here. Now his father dies during the season. Not good. Now his father, you'll notice this in sports a lot. When they're, when the, when the figure. Their patriarch. When their patriarch goes, that's when they feel that

there's no more discipline right mike tyson when costamato died uh tiger woods when his dad died started fucking hooters waitresses all over the place didn't give a shit about his legacy porn stars too jesus he didn't care no whatever whatever fell in front of him whatever vagina yeah whatever flew into his web he was like i guess i got that for a while he doesn't care yeah he he said things were different there, basically, in Atlanta. He said, quote, things were going on that I'd never seen when he got to Atlanta. Oh, I'm sure. As far as partying, as far as things like this.

Well, that's where What's-His-Fuck was at, too. Fast Eddie Johnson was in Atlanta, too. Absolutely. And things come to a head on May 24, 1972. And this is from an article I found in the Milwaukeeth, 1972. And this is from an article I found in the Milwaukee Sentinel from 1972. Because I'm out of my fucking mind. I love it. This is an article of him being held over for trial.

He's arrested for rape of a 22-year-old school teacher. Not good. You don't want to be doing that. You don't want to be raping anybody. Especially not a 22-year-old school teacher. Oh, no. Not good. You don't want to be doing that. You don't want to be raping anybody, especially not a 22-year-old school teacher in 1970. A white girl, too, which is not good in the South. No. That's a bad thing for his own whatever.

And now we have also a clear indicator that he has a problem with sex. He's got a little sex problem. We have that indicator, but the cops don't know that because they haven't caught the spaghetti monster yet exactly so we're we're getting to this uh this woman testifies at a hearing for an hour and a half giving details of the encounter uh she could i she said she could identify him because he was black didn't have an afro and was clean shaven this is what the defense keeps harping on so it sounds like shady you know what i mean also to during her testimony two men interrupt her testimony in the court holding

up signs that say free tom pain africans must unite to free tom oh my god this is a white girl yeah this is a white girl uh so uh they're really harping on it and it's it sounds interesting too because his lawyer uh leroy johnson called her quote a confused school teacher whose testimony was beyond belief first of all it's amazing in the 70s you could a rape victim you could just be like she's a confused whack job like that's incredible yeah that gets worse uh he also said quote the most obvious thing about this man is is that he is tall and no reasonable person could ever forget it but this confused school teacher never mentioned that he was tall she did mention that he was tall it just

wasn't in the report the original cop said yeah she did say he was a giant but we thought she was out of her fucking mind because apparently when you're a woman in 1971 72 and you get raped everyone just thinks you're loony they just go oh this crazy broadener rape what is wrong with these goddamn people nobody just they don't even take that he's huge as a thing. They go, yeah, he's a foot shorter than he says he is. They still don't, I mean. It's insane, man. Why, whatever, it's beside the point.

But rape still is not taken very seriously. And that boggles my fucking mind. It's crazy. And now this woman here, he says that this supposedly happened allegedly, or not allegedly in the end, but it happened at 2 o'clock in the morning. He says, this is a lame-ass excuse, too. He says he was playing tennis with a friend until 1 a.m. What?

And then in the time of the rape, he was home with his wife. So he doesn't know anything about it. He's home with his wife. You know, he's tennis elbow. He's got some ice on him. Got some ice on him. You know, he's having a nice night. He doesn't know what the it. He's home with his wife. You know, he's tennis elbow. He's got some ice on it. Got some ice on my chest. You know, he's having a nice night. He doesn't know what the hell's going on here.

And that occurred on May 18, 72, is the alleged incident. So this is like less than a week later this is going on. Johnson said, this is his attorney, Leroy Johnson, said that the police told her where he'd be in the lineup. And he's saying that this is like you know this is this is a a racist conspiracy and and and and a lot of it sounds like it at this point because you're like that's possible possible this is all possible but also his fingerprints were found in her car that's not possible that's not he's not supposed to know that's not impossible right and his his

lawyer johnson his his excuse for this isn't the police planted the finger or some insanity or it's bullshit his excuse was well there's no way to know when those prints were there they could have been from two months ago would he rape her two months he's supposed to not know this person what the fuck he has no idea who's in the back seat of his car oh my god of her car there's no way to get back there unless you are back there for a reason exactly so it's it's not looking good at this point and also said he said lawyer johnson quote we submit that this defendant wasn't even there if it had been this defendant she would have said she was raped by a tall black man wow how dumb is this crazy wacky broad doesn't even say the

right thing that's that's where they're going to scrutize, is that she doesn't say that he's tall. It's fucking nuts. But she did say it. No, she did say it in the beginning. And even the way he did it, too, it even sounds like it. Listen to this. She says he attacked her outside of her apartment.

Keep this M.O. in mind, guys, because it's a build on it. Attacked her outside of her apartment threw a dish towel remember the dish towel guys because this is important over her head threatened to kill her and forced her into the back seat of her car and he you know started started on her back there but didn't rape her back there dragged her out of the car to a walkway and raped her as a guy who was seven foot two would have to do in the backseat of the car to a walkway and raped her as a guy who was seven foot two would have to do in the backseat of a car i'm six foot four and i've been tall for a long time i've never raped anybody

in a car but in high school i've been in the backseat of a car and been you know whatever in a with a chance of doing something i'm six four it hasn't happened right right for me it's like you have all the permission in the world to invade someone's vagina in the rear seat of that car. Yeah, it can't happen. It's logistically not possible. It's hard. My legs are wrapped around.

Listen, I'm 5'8". I've had sex in a car exactly once, and it was in the front seat because we couldn't do it in the back seat. That's horrible. So this guy makes sense that he would have to drag her out. The blowjob is the only thing

that's possible in a car. Yeah, he is convicted of this. Wow. Okay, he's convicted. He's sentenced to two years for this. You might hear frankie the crime dog in the background sorry there frankie the crime and sports dog barking in the background she does not like thomas pain she hates thomas pain she's super white and i feel like yeah she's just racist she's racist yeah she's very racist like all the people in the story up to this point and at this point i'm thinking maybe they are

racist the fingerprint thing is rough, but you never know. It's tough to get around. So, you know, who knows, though? I mean, at this point, there are people giving him the benefit of the doubt. Not me. Right, right. Not crime and sports. His lawyers are fighting like hell.

His lawyers are fighting. There's people in public, too, that are going, this is racism and blah, blah, blah. There's people speaking up in courtrooms, too. Yeah, it's happening all over the place. So until September 27, 1972, is when this was coming down and the sentencing was coming up. And at trial, he is charged. In 72, he's got three rapees on his, three rape charge type things

on his deal here. Somehow he's allowed to make an unsworn statement after the both sides have rested him before deliberations. Now they let OJ do this too. Remember that? They let OJ make this unsworn statement. Unsworn statement, they can say whatever he wants? No cross-examination, no, you just

get up there and make a statement. So this is insane. He gets up there and he says, quote, in their own words, in their own asshole words, here they are here, quote, I'm innocent. I'm going to remain innocent no matter what you decide here today. I don't have any knowledge of these things, so I can't explain these things. I just can't go on. And then he left the booth. He just wants to go up there to say I didn't do it. He's too overwhelmed, though.

I can't go on. This is too much on me. You know what I mean? Jury began deliberations. He's convicted. So he's going away two years. And he's played one season. Has he even played one season in the NBA?

He did play one season, right? Yes, one season. One season in the NBA. And now he's already going to prison for two years. Yes, and while he's in prison, guess what? More trouble. Apparently, he was going in the spring of 72,

he was going on a little spurt here. He was going on a little fucking rampage because apparently it was told that on March 25th, 1972, which is two months before the school teacher incident, he is now convicted of rape in Marietta, Georgia. Jesus Christ. So we're going there now. Rape and aggravated sodomy.

So he's upping the ante now. Yeah. It's not enough that he's raping people, this piece of shit. He's got to put it in their asshole too. Oh my goodness. So this is a 42-year-old waitress this time. He doesn't even have a type. No. He's just like, I need a person to grab and be a piece like i need a person to grab just a gazelle that's the one he wants yeah it's he's a piece of shit this guy uh so 42 year old waitress follows her home uh pulls her from her car and rapes her in her backyard uh because he can't fit because he can't fit he figured out already well this was

actually at first so i don't know what the hell he was thinking he couldn't fit through the door he couldn't fit through the door she had a really really tiny, she had like a little, like a Toyota from 1972. A little, real tiny one. He's sentenced to 10 years for rape for that. Oh, shit. And an additional five for sodomy, but they're served concurrent. So he's getting 10 anyway. He's getting 10 anyway for this.

So now he's double convicted. Yeah, he's looking bad. Is the two years concurrent with the ten also? I think so, yes. So they're tacking that on here. They're the whole time, they're saying this is ridiculous, this is, you know, this whole thing is nuts. But also, he gets convicted of another rape in April of 72. What the fuck, Payne?

Payne, you fucking asshole. Jackie Robinson would never do this. Ever. Absolutely not. He would not do this. He was a nice guy by all accounts. He was a perfect gentleman. This guy, not so great.

This is an airline stewardess this time. Said a guy followed her home. This was an attempted thing here. This was not. Said a guy followed her home uh attempted to get in her car yank her out of the car she had the door locked and just blew on the she just sat on good for her until he got scared and ran away but smart this girl is she got the plate number of the car that he drove away guess whose car it is the fucking condors what do you think it's tom

pain's car what a fucking shocker there. This whole time, his family, and these are a bunch of smart people, are blaming a racist conspiracy at the University of Kentucky

for this whole thing in Georgia. There's too many women. And especially... Like Bill Cosby. There are too many women with the same damn story. Yeah, they're saying

only one victim mentioned his height in their initial statement. I don't fucking care. That's their big defense. Like, I don't give a shit. When you're sitting in a Toyota Tercel, you can't tell how big somebody is when they're just in your window. A 5'8", I could lean in your window and you'd just be like, the guy's fucking huge. Yeah, so, I mean, he's about to get out in Georgia here. Yeah.

When Kentucky comes a-calling. We go back to... Did they patch together the spaghetti monster yet? We go back to 1971. We go back to 1971. The victim here. Yeah, we go back there. This is the one that the family is really saying is a Kentucky racist conspiracy and everything else like that.

Which this is what I was thinking too, honestly. Until you get the details of it. Then you're like, oh no. Especially later on. Okay. So he's convicted in Louisville of one count of rape. Two counts of detaining a female against her will. Good.

The incident happened in the summer of 71 like we talked about here. He's sentenced to life in prison. Oh, my God. For first-degree rape. Now, this is in 1977, and he is sentenced under 1971 sentencing guidelines. All right. And that's going to come up huge later, so we've got to remember that. He's sentenced under there and also sentenced to 10 years for the detention, detaining a female charge.

So he's charged for all this. He's eligible for parole at some point, though. That's the thing. This isn't a throw-away-the-key life. It's a parole life. But it's still life. And this is so if you get busted while you're on parole, they can really fuck you.

You don't have another two years. Also, too, if you act up in prison, when you're up for parole, if you haven't been fixed or however they deem to be rehabilitated, you don't get out. Look at Manson. It's true. Manson keeps getting up for parole and they're like, you, sir, are fucking insane. So if you tattoo a swastika on your forehead, you're never getting out.

Yeah, we're not getting out. I'm sorry. You're staying in. Once you did that, yeah, you're in. getting out yeah we're not getting out i'm sorry you're staying in once you did that right yeah but i mean if manson got out he would be people would like dip shits would act like he was like somebody like this guy it's not even about that it's just about we don't safety of society we need more people getting raped basically it's just let's keep all the rape we need bottled up we need the waitresses and wait and stewardess and school teachers to not get to be safe to not

yes exactly and they're not safe with tom pain on the street no no one is safe at this point um so yeah he goes uh sentenced to life in prison now he's he's in prison at this point um he tells he this whole thing is crazy he's got this quote is is fucking wonderful i can't wait this isn is a great, in their own words, because it's completely clueless. He's still in total denial for everything. This is amazing. Okay.

Also, too, before I get into that, in Georgia, he served five years for those rapes. Two and a half of those years were spent in solitary confinement because of his role

in a prison riot. Jesus Christ. But he's like the giant guy in the stuff. By the way, when he was in prison, he just jacked himself up. Really? He's of muscle oh my god so we're gonna get into that in a second but in their own words here we go this is a long in their own words there is so much quotes from

this so many quotes from this guy we could have done three episodes of just the readings of tom pain i swear to god there's so many he prophesizing while he rapes? Interviews. Well, he's been in prison forever, so he just talks and talks and talks. He's got a lot to say. Absolutely. 45 years of statements we have from this guy about raping

and his general whatever. So here's his quote in their own words. This is awful. Okay. Quote, I'm well aware of what rape is. It's a very degrading type act heinous i had went out and partied i'm not denying that and fooled around and so forth but i think that

was part of the stage i was going through at that time so i don't think i'm the only one doing this but i couldn't have possibly did those uh did those charges even if I did say two or three of them, I couldn't possibly do no 20 or 30 charges. What the fuck? That's his quote. That's his quote. What the fuck? He's like, look, I was out partying.

Maybe two or three. You know, I didn't do that kind of shit. I might have raped a couple of people here or there. My dick day got hard while I was partying. 20 or 30 charges.

Right. Shit, I don't know. What the fuck? That's his fucking response to this, which is insane. One rape, 50 rap't know. What the fuck? That's his fucking response to this, which is insane. One rape, 50 rapes.

Who gives a shit? He's shattered lives at this point. I mean, there's three women that have had run in with him, a fourth that

escaped narrowly from his clutches. You know what's sad, too? This is 1971. People don't, only half the sex crimes get reported nowadays right when people back then maybe yeah maybe when people actually now they're like hey who did that to you let's let's fuck you know let's find let's put them behind bars back then it wasn't like as

we saw it was like that it's crazy broad i don't blame people for coming forward back then because you were treated like a piece of shit and that was in the newspaper and then you've got to go through the the public scrutiny yeah of strangers judging you but not just that now you have charged a man and accused a man of raping you especially a famous man a seven foot something who's a famous man and he might be scary to you everything else so god knows what could be happening how many are out there that's what i mean if there's three that came forward there's probably you know at least 30 that haven't you know so i mean this is insane he's shattered countless lives he is had the potential to be jackie robinson you know was in the nba had a bunch of money had a nice family a wife a daughter tennis to play in the middle of the night. Who doesn't want to do that? I mean, I feel bad for all of these people, Jimmy.

But not as bad as I feel for these other Tom Pains. Like Tom Paine Jr., field service manager at Ameritox. He's a junior. At Ameritox in Louisville, Kentucky. It's a medical services company. That junior figured it out, but still people think he's a rapist. Tom Payne Jr., social product developer at Oodle.me, a startup in San Francisco, California. Get online, check those guys out.

Tom Payne, dean of the College of Business at Tennessee Technical University in Cookville, Tennessee. Tom Payne, a UK prosecutor specializing in fraud corporate and organized crime tom pain owner of craftsman homes group llc a construction company in portland oregon the same tom pain phd criminal justice consultant and expert witness in biloxi mississippi and most freakish of all tom pain the actor who's currently starring in The Walking Dead and has an IMDB as long as my fucking arm when you search for Tom Payne

same name as a serial rapist and he's on The Walking Dead and he shares an IMDB he's like Tom Payne 14 because this Tom Payne is Tom Payne 1 on IMDB on IMDB and why is he Tom Payne 1 on IMDb. And why is he Tom Payne 1? We'll get into that later when he gets out of prison.

But for right now, he's in prison in Kentucky. He gets up to 350 pounds of jacked up muscle, too. He's not fat. He's just working out like a madman. He's a genetic freak. This guy's doing great. So he's not fat yeah he's just working out like a madman he's a genetic freak yeah this guy's doing great so he's in prison he takes up boxing okay now there's an article in july uh july 17 1981 he's gonna be the hurricane absolutely there's an article here that i found from 81 uh it is uh talking about this talking about a match he has at the muhammad

ali boxing club in louisville while he's incarcerated. They take the boxers in and they fight and they cuff him and fucking yank him back up. His mother's there. His two sisters are there. He fights a guy. He's 7'1", 350 pounds of solid muscle. He fights a guy named Alan Smith who is 6'4", 200 pounds. He's the real rapist, apparently, this guy.

He's 6'4". Our man Tom Payne wins by decision. Doesn't even knock the guy out. What? Yeah, he wins by decision. Then he's cuffed, taken away. The opponent wasn't impressed by him at all. He said he could have stopped Payne in the second round

if he'd been in better shape, but he didn't work out very much for the fight. I needed more jogging. So, yeah, he was like, he didn't he didn't work out very much for the fight i needed more job so yeah he was like i didn't i wasn't i didn't have the wind my cardio wasn't up i skipped the fucking jumping jackson jump rope this week now tom pain has some bright idea of the future as we get into here in their own words fucking quote uh quote it wasn't this is about the match quote it wasn't good at all there's still a lot of things i have to work on that guy is not even in my class I could develop my skills and play basketball again, but for myself, boxing is another avenue I want to pursue. I hope to turn pro in six months to one year.

Within the two to three year span, I plan to make it all the way to the top. He's already got it all spanned out. Oh. He already figured it out. He's gonna be heavyweight champ in no time. This is easy. This is no problem. I could have raped that motherfucker if I wanted to. He already figured it out. He's going to be a heavyweight champ in no time. This is easy. This is no problem. I could have raped that motherfucker if I wanted to. He probably would have had an easier time raping him than beating him in the ring, obviously, because he could have punched him all he wanted to. He doesn't do it. So he's boxing like crazy.

He becomes a paralegal in prison. Wow. I guess he's bored with that, so he also becomes a welder in prison. Jesus. He's getting trades. He's figuring it out, yeah. This whole time, too. He can join a unioner in prison. Jesus. He's getting trades, this guy. He's figuring it out, yeah. This whole time, too. He can join a union here pretty soon. Absolutely.

He converts to Islam at the end of his stint here. That's when it goes off the rails. That's when I stop rooting for him. Once again, finds religion, which is don't find religion. Number one, that's like rule number three or four in our crime and sports thing. Look at all of these guys. Once they find religion, they will be raping or killing within a year.

They're crazy. That's at the end of their path. That's just their mind is unraveling. That's them trying to fix their fucking wrongs. They're falling down a cliff grabbing for that little branch

of a cartoon character. And it happens to be made of Bible pages. And it's made of Bible pages and they eventually break and you fall down on top of someone else. And you're covered

in Bible verses. And you're just, and then they fall. Psalms rain down upon you like snowflakes um so finally here he is uh up for parole and uh he has his friend helping him the whole time a woman named jan r waddell she's a lawyer from louisville that went to high school at Shawnee with him. All right. She maintains his innocence. I'm going to go out on a limb and say she's an asshole. She is maintaining his innocence. She says, quote, whatever people think about Tom Payne in the future, guilt or innocent, he deserves to be exonerated by the courts. He's been through enough that the judicial system owes him this. I don't believe her. Owes him this? Are you out of your fucking mind? I'm completely on the opposite side, my dear.

He is just, he's got a wheelbarrow full of rape. Yeah. We don't owe him shit. Nothing. He's a jackass. Well, we owe him. He's gotten paralegal training.

Yeah. He's gotten welding training. And boxing gloves. He's got boxing gloves. Fuck gloves. He's got a gym. He's got a gym to work at. He got to 350 pounds

based on his show. And it's all state fucking funded. That's what we owe him. So. Enjoy, sir. He's released a gym. He's got a gym to work at. He got to 350 pounds based on his shift. And it's all state fucking funded. That's what we owe him. Enjoy, sir. He's released. Fuck. He's paroled on November 4th, 1983. His mother, his brother, three of his sisters, and his minister are all there to pick him up.

They have a big prayer in the parking lot. It's a big thing. They're all happy. It's six years of a life sentence he got off on. So then he had a lot of support from the Muslim community. Also, when he turned to Islam,

they had a big petition. And apparently that lawyer was pretty good, too. She was able to take it. And also, too, like I said, there's a lot... They were playing on a lot of the shadiness of the whole thing.

And, hey, these cops were, you know, up to something and all that. To the 60s. Which I believe, too. Right. You know, I mean, who's to... It's true. You're right.

I was leaning toward, you know, who knows? Who knows if he throws a dish towel around someone's... I don't fucking know what he does. And you get fucking... You get ridiculed that much in college, and you do well, and you're succeeding, and then you get into a path where you get drafted in the NBA, and you're making $800,000 a year.

Not a year. Not a year. But you get an $800,000 contract. That's a lot of money in 1972. There are people back in Kentucky that resent the fuck out of that. Yeah. And most of them were calling him the N-word every fucking day. Yeah.

And worse. Yeah. And burning him in effigy for Christ's sake. They're burning him. In the fucking quad. Like he's like a foreign president. Right. They're burning the goddamn guy.

It's insane. It's insane. So you can see that there is absolutely opportunity for somebody to be framing him for something. And if he gets away with one, they're going to go again at him. Yeah.

Frame for another one. That's what he's saying. Right. And keep going until it makes it look like he's a serial rapist. And for a minute, it looks like, you know,

he gets out. I mean, we'll see here. Look at this. He gets out. He's 33 years old, 1983, in great shape, as we described.

He's jacked. 33, he's got his whole life ahead of him. He's jacked. He plays for the Louisville Catbirds. Louisville Catbirds, which is a CBA, which is who picked up Jason Williams 10 years after his prime and all that shit. It's that Louisville Catbirds. This is hilarious, by the way. Let's do another In Their Own Words for a second here.

Let's do a little In Their Own Words here. This is what he says when he gets out of prison here. And he's trying to say, this is a redemptive thing. He's trying to say, look, man, I didn't do right. You know what I mean? Actually, we're going to get to this one later. Never mind. Scratch that shit.

Let's get to this first. This is better. Okay. So he plays for the Catbirds here. I love these redemption articles guess what there's an article just like eddie johnson just like everybody we get into of things were bad but boy this guy is on the right path now straight and narrow he's gonna make a comeback it's and oh god the title of this article makes you want to strangle the person who wrote this article titled quote

a journey of pain p-a-y-n-e with a fucking play on words from jailbird's life to a catbird oh you're an asshole because he plays for the cat oh he's an asshole god i hope someone murdered this person i really hope they died a horrible horrible murder. So he's playing for the CBA at this point. He lives with his wife, Sue, his wife. She's stuck around? And his 13-year-old daughter. Oh, my God. Talk about the most understanding woman on the face of the earth.

Oh, Jesus. He's convicted for multiple rapes over different states. Oh, my God. You're like, I'm going to stick with him. That's worse than DeSouza's ex taking the baby. And it's way worse. Because she's fearing for her life, more or less. This lady's just like, he didn't do it.

Yeah, he didn't do it. He's innocent. And she's going to sleep with him after he's forcibly. But I mean, think about it, too. There's prominent, just like Steve Avery. There's groups and prominent legal people that are going, this man is falsely accused give him his due so i mean she is like caught up in that and she wants to who

wouldn't want to believe that you don't want to believe that you married and had a kid with a guy and you had no idea and you had no idea and you thought he was out playing tennis yeah you have no fucking idea so he's so anyway he's living with his 13 year old daughter by the way is six foot four at this point wow so he's making big kids definitely his kid also has a two-year-old adopted son how the fuck are these people kid while he's in prison how are you allowed a three-time rapist is allowed to adopt a two-year-old what the hell does that happen i don't think that would fly nowadays anyway shitty adoption system that's terrible. He's making $400 a week in the CBA. So a far cry from the...

$400 a week in 1983 still isn't shit. No, but it's terrible compared to... And they'll allow you to adopt a child with that kind of income? Jesus Christ. Apparently. I mean, maybe his family was helping him out. They had money. It's insane here.

That's like unemployment wages nowadays. In this article, this is the quote I wanted to do here. In this article, he says, quote, in their own words, this is, and he's just trying to be so like, you know, hey, I'm all right with it. I got screwed, but it's cool. Check it out. Okay, in their own words. How fucked is that child system? I'm still shocked.

Adopt a kid. I got out of prison. Not three rapes. How much? 400 a week. Yeah, no, I'm piss poor. I can totally cover it. Yeah, I can cover it. Sure, here's a kid. Here's a two-year-old. Come back if you? $400 a week. Yeah. No, I'm piss poor. I can totally cover it. Yeah, I can cover it.

Sure, here's a kid. Here's a two-year-old. Come back if you want another one next week. You only make $400 a week, so you definitely can't afford diapers. This one's almost out of them. Almost. Take this one. Yeah, just slap it in.

What the fuck? Put a sheet around him. Yeah, yeah. So he says, quote, I'm not bitter about being innocent and doing time. Not anymore. I went through a stage where I was bitter, where I blamed the world for all my problems. But other people have been persecuted

and vindicated in the end. I want to try to be like those people I read about. Gandhi, JFK, FDR. They never took an easy way out and I'm not taking any more easy roads. I pray for you to have the same ending as JFK, sir. The exact same one. Gandhi.

Or FDR. give him polio for fuck's sake right bam polio for tom pitt polio for tom pitt did gandhi eventually starve to death i sure hope so i hope so too yeah and i hope he gets that at four dollars a week he's about to starve to death wow so he's playing and let's get to the silver-haired middle-aged white man of the week. Because last week we didn't have one. Oh, baby, do we have one this week. This is one of the silverest-haired statements I've ever heard in my life.

This is the most middle-aged white man statement ever. It is GM of the Catbirds in 1983, J. Bruce Miller. This is from that article. This is amazing. What a fucking idiot he's talking about after he met with him he says quote i knew signing him was a calculated gamble but i'm not in a position to make judgments on people which is what all silver-haired middle-aged white men say then he says quote i knew we'd get criticized but if we have a parole system he should have a chance when when tom mentioned in the interview that fdr had to fight a bigger system, he should have a chance. When Tom mentioned in the interview that FDR

had to fight a bigger handicap than he did, I was impressed. He seemed to be a person who knew what he wanted from life. How dumb and silver haired can this fucking idiot be? And by the way, you are the coach and GM, GM and coach and just GM? Either way, you're in charge of a basketball team, sir. He signed it. You are definitely in the business of judging people. You look at talent and go, this guy can play for us. But that's what they all say. That's all it is.

Every one of those coaches is like, hey, I'm not in a position to judge. They act like they're trying to help society. Meanwhile, they just see a 7'1 fucking black guy they could benefit from. A guy that would slap Ben Wallace all up and down the court. That's what he wants. Yeah, I'm going to get that. And then he's like, hey, you know, I'm just trying to do best for society. I'm all on the up and up here. Ridiculous.

Trying to give bad seeds a second chance. This whole piece is ridiculous. It's a fluff piece. He talks about his dad and, you know, his dad passing away and how hard it is. Don't you dare. His past at University of Kentucky and all that he endured

with the races which is true but you're also a three time rapist which wipes all of that out at that point so it doesn't matter so that only

that doesn't last even a whole season the cat birds thing he does jack shit for them yeah he just he doesn't do anything

on the court I can't believe he's blaming it all on his dad being dead well it's not that it's just a fluff piece it's a woe is me it's a redemption piece

it's like Eddie Johnson he did cocaine but now he's I'm good now it ain't me I'm good now cocaine this guy didn't want cocaine though he wanted other things

he becomes a pro boxer at this point Cocaine! This guy didn't want cocaine, though. He wanted other things. He becomes a pro boxer at this point. Lives up to his prediction there a few years ago. Has four matches from June 84 to June 85. He goes two and two, and they go win, loss, win, loss. All right. All by TKO or KO. So, I mean, they don't last long. He's a giant guy.

I can't see him going ten rounds or anything they're like probably the three round little preliminary exhibition like Bam Bam Bigelow so

Butterbean you're talking about Butterbean yeah yeah Bam Bam Bigelow was a wrestler he was great he could do a cartwheel

and shit he was like 400 pounds Butterbean had the fucking American flag trunks guy was amazing so here we go he is

in 85 there. He moves to LA. Okay. Good place to be. That's where the hot bitches are. Think about LA too. This is like, he fits so perfectly in LA

because LA is a place, especially for like a guy like this. And LA is a great place for an ex something. Yeah. I'm an ex boxer. I'm an ex yeah. I'm an ex-boxer. I'm an ex-player. I'm an ex-this and now I'm trying

to get into this and that. Now I dress up in a dirty Elmo outfit and stand on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. He's a big imposing, you know, now he'd go

and he'd be like, they'd pick him out for the, you know, the big enforcer guy in a TV show or something like that. Or stand on the, you go to be an actor.

Stand in front of the Roxy or something. How many ex-football players? I mean, this was what alex karras did and then he got cast and shit and he was like hey look outside the viper room while somebody choked on their own vomit and so he begins to take steroids when he goes to la too so you want to get a seven foot yeah there are seven foot one 300 pound guy who's already jacked up prison fed and prison jacked jacked to the moon. And throw a spike in that fucker's ass.

Who is inarguably aggressive we'll call him so far in every aspect. Yeah. So he takes, he meets Joe Jackson who was Michael Jackson's father. He meets Joe Jackson

on the street. How weird is that, right? Joe Jackson spots him and he's a physical freak. I mean, you see this guy and you're like, oh my God.

But he's drawn to powerful dads too that are assholes. Exactly. And Joe is spots him. Yeah. And he's a physical freak. I mean, you see this guy, you're like, oh my God. But he's drawn to powerful dads, too. Yeah. That are assholes. Exactly. And Joe is an asshole. And Joe's an asshole. So Joe tells him that he can help him out.

Yeah. Tells him he, because he also, Joe also knows that he's the first black player in the history of the NBA. He's aware of this man. So he's got goodwill because of that. Yeah. People know who he is. Right.

He's not just some random college basketball player one year in the NBA. Right. He's a famous guy for that. People know who he is. He's not just some random college basketball player one year in the NBA. He's a famous guy for that. He's a black guy with talent, and Joe wants to whip him with a fucking extension cord. He says he can get him help. He said he can get him on TV, get him in movies. Wow. He gets him to be one of Michael Jackson's bodyguards. Wow.

Yeah, he goes on tour a little bit with Michael Jackson. Get out of town. Yeah. He gets a role in a movie in 1985, a movie called Stingray. And this is why he's on IMDb. Yes, a movie called, not only this, but called Stingray with Nick Mancuso. And that's as far as I got because I read the first two lines of the description and I swear to God, I just zoned right.

It sounded so fucking ridiculous, stupid action. A prosecutor must help a witness who's got his head up his ass. I don't care. It's like the fucking movie with Dennis Rodman and John Codman. Double take. Double take.

Oh yeah. So he's also on an episode of Night Court which I loved when I was a kid. That's the thing. I've seen him act. Really?

I've watched I've seen all the Night Courts when I was a kid. I probably saw him too. Richard Maul was fucking great. Oh he was great. And who was the black lady oh Roz

what was her name uh uh Winfield yes Marsha Warfield Marsha Warfield she's fucking great Harry Anderson is the judge

we all know this John Larroquette is Dan fucking great show so he's on an episode of that Marky Marky Post is the prosecutor he's also featured on a

McDonald's commercial what as a giant smiling black guy eating a burger I assume like assume. I don't know what an odd guy to have in a McDonald's commercial, but whatever. So yeah, he's doing all this. He's taking roids. He's doing his thing. He's going to parties, too. He's a Hollywood douchebag. He's figuring it out. Yeah, yeah. He's a Hollywood asshole right now. He's like, yeah, you know, I just finished up this McDonald's commercial. Yeah, I i was talking to call back for some fucking for some night court in the morning i was talking to lara kett on the set of night court you know and he was telling me

when you audition the important like it's shit like that you know he's one of these guys you know thinking of leaving my wife for marshall working about marshall warfield selma looking good when she smoked you know i like that so he this point, too, his siblings have paid all his legal bills for him. They're helping him out there. He's got a lot of help. A lot of people are trying to. Joe Jackson is in this fucking camp. Yeah.

He's in Hollywood. And you know what? He's in a movie. It's not a great movie, whatever. He's in an episode of Night Court. He's on a commercial. That's how you start. Yeah, you got to crawl before you walk.

After a while, you become the giant guy that they but he could have been michael clark duncan he could have been the dude with the fucked up eye in the green mile he could have been tiny lister he could have been in friday and all of that he could have been in no holds barred fighting hulk hogan absolutely he could have done it but instead he fucks up again jesus on february 14th valentine's day 1986 in hollywood california at the age of 35 the police are driving by an apartment building with a garage underneath there in hollywood and they see a seven foot tall black man laying on top of a woman who guess what she has on her head? A dish towel.

A towel. Oh, no. This is the point in the story when I went, fuck you, Tom Paine. You did it, sir. Rock forever, you piece of shit. You did all of these.

Son of a bitch. Go fuck yourself. You're caught red-handed. Red fucking handed. You are on top of a woman. In a garage next to a car. And, oh, guess what? His car was idling nearby.

Awesome. So he didn't even run up. So, I mean, there is no doubt he couldn't even run away because his car's idling there. Unbelievable. Also, too, he's going to do a quickie rape.

I'll just leave the car running. Like, this won't take long. Unbelievable. Yeah, honestly. How does he have just a dish towel just handy? He's got his rape kit. That's his rape kit, yeah.

Seriously, people, these predators have rape kits, and that's his rape kit. It's a goddamn towel is handy. He's got his rape kit. That's his rape kit, yeah. Seriously, people, these predators have rape kits, and that's his rape kit. It's a goddamn towel. I hope it's like some... What up? I hope it's one that says, like, home sweet home or shit on it.

Yeah, it's got flowers on it and shit. It's got sunflowers on it. Yeah, nice cute yellow design. This piece of garbage, honestly, up until this point, I was thinking he might have gotten railroaded. Honestly, because I read this story chronologically I was going through

the articles and all this information newspaper articles trying to piece it together a serial rapist typically doesn't finish up a prison stint and actually get their life rolling

no to a point where they're in movies and shit nobody does that so you're thinking okay maybe maybe it's all fucked up I had that 10%

and then I heard and I saw the word dish towel and I said, Fuck it. You're an asshole. Guilty of everything. You, sir, can fuck off. Can fuck off to prison.

You asshole. So he's arrested on suspicion of forcible rape, obviously. He's held on $40,000 bail in lieu of $40,000 bail because also Kentucky has placed a no bail fugitive hold on him because he's on parole in Kentucky on a lifetime rape sentence. Oh my god. So you don't want to fuck up and get caught raping a woman in California.

Red handed. Stupid asshole. With a cop seeing it. With a cop. Yeah he was caught by the police officers. There's no so an article comes out in May 15th of 2015. This is last year. This rape victim,

the Hollywood rape victim, came forward and did an interview in her home in Santa Barbara. I love her. Said her whole life has been pretty fucked up. Yeah.

But she said she's had trouble trusting people, trouble in relationships, blah, blah, blah. Kind of hard to park my car. Yeah. Yeah, I really need a garage now,

like my own. Yeah. I shut the garage door before I get out of this guy I could die from carbon monoxide poisoning it's better than having a dish towel on me this poor woman so she says that she pulled into the garage and Payne threw a towel on her head

started to choke her she was like kind of out of it she didn't come to until the cops were pulling him off of her apparently the cops had to pull him. Maybe he saved her life. She didn't notice him. Yeah.

Who knows? It could have escalated to that. He was choking her. Yeah. So, I mean, he could have been choking her. He might have said, I'm not going to get kicked out again. I'm not going to jail for this. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not getting fingered again for this shit. So, yeah, he ends up. Wow. Yeah. So he goes to prison in California now. Good. He receives a lot of therapy while he's in prison. Oh, boy.

And so now he's got a lot of therapy talk going on, basically, which has annoyed me. He says about his original stints in Georgia and Kentucky, quote, in their own words, he says, quote, Really, I didn't ever think about why I was in prison. What I thought about was I combated prison. I fought prison. I thought, I'm going to show them that they can't break me. That was in prison. What I thought about was I combated prison. I fought prison. I thought, I'm going to show them that they can't break me.

That was my mentality. So there was no true soul work. Oh my God. So, you know, you had to get out and rape more. Right, right, right. I never fixed myself back then.

I was just punching bags and welding shit. Well, don't worry, Tom, because you've got a lot of time to fix yourself now. Now you can do it. You stupid asshole. So, in 2000, now this worry, Tom, because you've got a lot of time to fix yourself now. Now you can do it. You stupid asshole. So, in 2000, now this is in 1986, he goes to jail.

In 2000, a California judge rules that a sentencing error kept him in prison six years too long, and they were going to release him. Oh, my God. They were going to let him out. Yeah, that's what I said. Oh, my God, no. Luckily, Kentucky says, fuck this shit. We're extraditing him back to Kentucky. We're going to provoke that fucking parole.

Provoke? Revoke. Revoke. Now, this is the thing here. Now, he is sentenced under, this is all under 1971 sentencing guidelines. So this is why there's a big legal fight with him because he's still in prison and we'll get to all this. But he goes to,

he goes back to Kentucky. He's extradited back to there. So he goes right back there. He's been trying to get out of prison this whole time. He's got like nine and a half years between parole hearings. He's got raping to do.

They don't, yeah. They're not letting him out. Basically, they don't want him out. Good. His mother's sick so he was trying to get out. There's a moveon.org petition to get him out based on the sentencing guidelines. He's like the longest serving prisoner under the, sentenced under those guidelines. He deserves it.

He deserves every fucking minute of it. Because since 1972, he's been in prison all but three years. Three years. And in those three years, he's raping like a motherfucker. Raping, doing movies. Who knows? He could have raped Marsha Warfarin, for all we know. That poor woman.

Let's hope not. Does Marky Post have PTSD? She might. We don't know. That's true. He only raped white women at this point, so maybe it was Marky Post. We'll see. Yeah, so he's serving under that.

He says about it, quote, My life, whatever I have, I want it to be a benefit to someone. I want to be able to turn some people around so that they will have a conscience. It's too late, motherfucker. Too late. You can't rape all those people. You had that opportunity the day that Kentucky said, play for us. Oh. You had the opportunity.

Could have been a role model. Could have been everything to everybody. Could have been a role model for years for people. He could have, another guy. Kentucky would have retired your fucking jersey. He could have been, yeah, that's the thing. He could have been sitting back. Kentucky would have retired your fucking jersey. He could have been, yeah, that's the thing.

He could have been sitting back going to banquets later on with gray hair. He could have had a fucking Thomas Paine day. Like the Jackie Robinson day. He could have had

a fucking day. He would have had his own University of Kentucky TV show in the Louisville area. When you died, Kentucky would lower their flag to half staff.

Syndicated radio show. Instead, he's hosting an in-house TV program in prison. Swear to God. Encouraging young inmates to contribute to society. You had your chance, sir. Just keep them from raping.

That's all we get. Keep your dick in your pants until she says take it out. Unreal. That moveon.org signature, by the way, at the time I saw it, it was in 2011. And it needed, it only had 107 signatures. It needed 200. So I don't know how that got resolved. 93 shy.

93 shy. At this point right now, there's a Facebook page with one like. Nice. And they post a lot. It's his fucking wife. And they post articles on him and him trying to get out of jail and pictures of him working out and in prison and links to his interviews from prison. in the in the fun like in the towel department at

target absolutely he says uh he's it's so it's messed up here's what we do we send a fucking care package to him in prison and it's just dish towels no we don't want him to have i want him to have him in prison i don't want anybody having no dish towels. Keep all towels away from Tom Payne. Send that man dish towels in prison. That would be hysterical. I don't want some poor non-violent drug offender that's in there. Some poor guy got busted with a half ounce of weed.

Send him a postcard that says, Raked by Tom Payne. Heard about you on Crime and Sports. Wanted to send you a gift. Wanted to send you a gift. I don't have the information to write to tom pain unfortunately but i'm sure you can find it if you really want to um he says quote in their own words uh quote i'm not making any excuses for what i did here's what you've got to realize and

i hope i articulate this correctly how a person does something is sometimes a mystery to the person first of all when i look back in my life sometimes i don't even see myself i'm talking about what you're talking about about the crimes i don't see myself doing what i did well i bet those women fucking see it when they close their eyes the cops that drove by the apartment complex said hey there's tom payne raping a woman they saw it as you went by silver hair you don't need to see yourself doing it jackass oh my god and there's people there's so many people trying to get him out of prison it's not even funny i'm telling you it's a big movement because of the sentencing thing they're not looking

at anything but the sentencing guidelines because he if you look at it he is currently in prison technically for a rape that he committed in 1971. Right. So that's what they're saying. He's been in prison for, you know, 45 years minus three years for a rape in 71. But yeah, guess what? There's a lot more to it, though. There's also the aggravating factors.

And why are we going to let this person out? And here's the other thing. Yeah, he was. You let him out. Yeah, in 71, they gave him life. But doesn't he deserve life for being caught red handed by the police that's an open and shut case granted they only gave him whatever time there that i don't give a shit but that would be the only reason to for me to not want somebody to

go to prison for life for like that kind of forcible rape like that the only reason would be that little bit of doubt where oh no did he not do it as a mistaken identity he got caught everything's the same he did it fine with him dying in prison yeah i'm 100 fine i've said somebody stabbed chad cartus yeah feel free with this guy i don't give a shit he's worthless get rid of the spaghetti monster fuck him so and then there's a guy too even this guy tom campbell is the ex-director of the parole board said that because he went 15 years without a hearing. And he said that 15 years is a long time to wait for a hearing. But when it comes to sex offenders, board members are reluctant to re-release them.

Good. Re-release. Yeah. Re-re-re-re-release. We don't want to keep sending them out because we look bad when they come back. Yeah, yeah. You know, with blood on them. Right.

We look bad. Because that blood is ours. Yeah, because next time he will kill the woman. Absolutely. He won't attack them in public and he'll kill the woman and then you're going to have that on your hands. He's going to force her into her bedroom with a crate and barrel rag over her face and he will leave her blood all over that bedroom and that is your fault.

Thankfully, he's still in prison. Good. And hopefully the state of Kentucky will keep him there him there fingers forever i don't care how honestly he's in his was he 65 years old 66 years old almost this year he'll be 66 years old i don't see a lot of seven foot one guys living that long no to in their 70s not on prison food pretty sure he's gonna die soon i hope so so we got So we got that going. So let's all root. Let's all crime and sports universe, guys. Crime and sports movement.

Take a moment. Pray to whatever side the sun is at. Whatever you got. Whatever you, if you go, I need this to happen. Say, let's let Tom Payne. Google Muslim prayer and stick with that. Yeah, have him, I don't care, choke on a sandwich. I don't give a shit. I don't care if it's a heart attack.

You know what I would like? Somebody rape him to death. That would be wonderful. Just rape Tom Payne to death because he's fitting. File down a toothbrush and rape him with a toothbrush. Fitting, fitting, fitting. You know, put a dish towel around his head and get him going because I'm sick of this asshole. I swear to God. I'm pissed

off at him personally because like, I was on his side for a minute. I was like, because I felt for the guy. And also, too, that was the other thing. I looked at his family. And I looked at the fact that out of all of nine kids, I'm like, what are the odds that one and the oldest one, too, is that kind of a complete disaster? Considering he wasn't up until that point. The first one is always the baby.

They always dote on that one. And they take care of him. But the other, like, they were so perfect and so successful, and they helped him, and he worked hard academically to make sure to get into Kentucky to play. So I was like, this can't be right. You know what I mean? It can't be, and it sounded off,

and it sounded like he thinks he's going to be the first black player in the history of Kentucky and be a star, go off and make $800,000. Hell no, he's going to rot in a jail. I thought about that and I'm like yeah these poor son of a bitch

and then the fucking dish towel in 86 comes back and oh I could've strangled him myself this son of a bitch I wanna rape Tom Paine that's it

to death let's start that movement start the movement donate to the Patreon page to get me and Jimmy to Eiffel Tower Tom Paine to death

do that we get enough money to pay for the legal bills of what that would be Donate to the Patreon page to get me and Jimmy to Eiffel Tower Tom Payne to death. Do that. We get enough money to pay for the legal bills of what that would be. We'll tie him up with dish towels. And we will just Eiffel Tower the man to death. I swear to God at this point. That will be the hardest high five I've ever given. I hate this person a lot. I really hate him.

And we're sorry to do two weeks in a row on rape. We get it. We understand it's uncomfortable. At least these were adults. These were adults at least, on rape yeah we get it we're we understand at least these were adults these were adults at least yeah and we get it's uncomfortable next week by the way we have i didn't say pussy once you didn't that was pretty good actually that's good you didn't say hymen at all either which i was very proud of you for because that's normally that comes flying out of your mouth i love that work i listened to last week's episode and and saying pussy about an underage girl

made me creep myself out. Yeah, yeah. It creeped me out too. So we apologize for that also. No, we don't apologize. What happens, happens. It does. What happens, happens, guys.

I'm sure he said it too in a more creepy way. Oh God, who knows what he said? He's a total dirtbag. So, I mean, next week we have a guy who killed many people. Yes. It's a multiple murderer. It's the craziest person, but in a fun way.

Yeah. He's so much fun. You want to hang out with this guy, and you want him off the streets at the same time. Put it that way. He's a lunatic, and he's still out there, which is great. Fantastic. He's avoided. It's amazing.

This is going to be a great story. It's going to be fun. We'll tell you all about it next week. lunatic and he's still out there which is great fantastic he's avoided it's amazing what is it gonna be a great it's gonna be fun we'll tell you all about it next week we're not gonna let the cat out of the bag yet keep checking check the social media uh at crime and sports on twitter and uh you can find out that facebook.com backslash crime and sports you can find that all out and uh yeah and it's gonna be a lot of fun next week i'm telling you that's gonna be wild i hope you enjoyed tom pain i thought it was important to do a lot of fun next week. I'm telling you, that's going to be wild. I hope you enjoyed Tom Payne. I thought it was important to do this one because it was like such an interesting societal story.

It really is. That the psychology of it and the whole thing, and I like the dish towel coming back. It was a good story, I felt. And we kind of pride ourselves on the opportunity that these guys have had. That's the thing. That they've squandered.

And this one is more opportunity than anybody That's exactly so far. This is the most opportunity Handed to somebody about and just blown had the goodwill of anyone who wasn't in the Klan Yeah for the whole country anyone not non clan member. He had the guy you could root well Everybody wanted a root for him and there are people up north I'm sure and not in the southern states and I'm sure there's a

lot of people in the southern states too probably too that were like Jesus Christ give this guy a fucking break he's trying to play

basketball they just weren't in Kentucky he's just a skinny kid yeah or they were hiding in Kentucky going yeah get him

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