Crime in Sports - #184 - A One Man Crime Wave - The of Expeditiousness Chris Henry

Episode Date: November 19, 2019

This week, we check out a man who may be the definition of "shooting star", as he rose from obscurity to reach his NFL dreams. Once he got there, things didn't go so well, as he fell in with ...the wrong crowd, seemingly never able to get out of his own way, but always in the path of the police. He was falsely accused of a horrible crime, by a teenaged prostitute, turned insane murderer, and that is considered heart warming compared to the rest of this tale. It's Chris Henry!! Be an embarrassment to yourself & your team, get arrested so often that it almost seems on purpose, and NEVER jump into the back of a moving truck with Chris Henry!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:36 But two more years, so you've got over 100 more episodes. So sit back and enjoy them, and especially enjoy today's episode. It's interesting, man. We have some interesting shit, first of all. enjoy them and especially enjoy today's episode great it's interesting man we have uh we have some interesting shit first of all second first i have to say last week seriously if you didn't listen to that episode because you're like oh who is this a race car driver listen to the episode has nothing to do with racing it has everything to do with a psychopath from the 30s and 40s running around going yeah see i'll slash your face see i'm like punching cops at the drop of a hat for no reason.
Starting point is 00:05:06 For nothing. People just go, hey, how you doing? What's your name, pal? He's like, get out, get away from me, copper. And he knocks them out for some reason, breaking cops' teeth and busting eyeglasses into their eyes. Unreal. And slashing women's faces.
Starting point is 00:05:18 The guy's a crazy person, an absolute menace to society. And one of the craziest people we've had in the previous 182 episodes before that yeah and uh yeah so you need to check that out but this week we have a very very weird interesting story oh it's he's he's kind of the the poster boy for not not the violent nfl because there's there's two types of nfl criminal that people think about we're back into the brain damage sports this week obviously we're talking about the nfl um for brain damage will come up this week uh there's two types there's the ultra violent there's the greg hardy
Starting point is 00:05:54 yeah nfl criminal where people are like oh jesus christ this guy and he's beating his wife he's doing horrible things and video of them you know punching women and dragging them through lobbies and shit like that right You've got that guy. And then you have the fuck up. Then you have the fuck up where it's like, what did he do now? Jesus, stop. Take a fucking cab, you idiot. Ryan Leaf, stay out of your mom's house.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Stay out of your mom's house. This one, stop driving with guns and your fucking blood full of booze, please. For the love of God, that guy. This is more along the lines of that guy, but what ended up happening to him and the story that unfolded around him is just bonkers. It really is insane. It's weird, man. Let's get right into this.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Let's do it. It's Christopher Demore Henry. Chris Henry. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris Henry, the wide receiver. NFL, mid-2000s. Titans? No.
Starting point is 00:06:45 That's the other Henry. That's the running back. God damn it. I got this. Bengals. There you go. Hey, now. There you go.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Yahtzee. You know what, though? When I first clicked on him, I thought he played for the Bengals and the Titans for some reason. I think it was just a Pac-Man Jones scenario because they both played for the Bengals at the same time. They both had very similar problems. And then there's Travis Henry. Then there's Travis Henry. Yeah, there's also Travis Henry, the old running back. Right. That's the guy that I'm remembering.
Starting point is 00:07:12 And he played for the Bengals and I think the Broncos. Travis Henry was on the Bills for a while. Was it Chris Henry that played for the Broncos? Yeah, there's a lot of Henrys, Jimmy. A lot of them. Wait till we get to the mistaken identities. Oh, boy. God damn it. I had a lot to choose from. Like 1,400 of them. Oh, Henry.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Who is it? Henry VIII. Who did Henry VIII play for? He is I Am. That's all I know. And that is a long song. That's true. I believe he played for the Titans, though, also.
Starting point is 00:07:38 So it's fine. So Chris Henry, born May 17th, 1983 in Belle Chasse. Belle Chase. I never. Louisiana is the hardest places to pronounce French of anywhere in the world. It's southern and from another language. So you've taken French and then bastardized some weird southern shit and pronunciation. So I have no idea if it's proper french or if it's a bastardized english
Starting point is 00:08:06 language who knows try to pronounce that bastardized shit i don't know what's down there is what's going on here i don't know i have no new orleans and baton rouge i'm pretty sure it's how you say that and everything else is up for up for debate it's up for grabs it's almost how you pronounce uh that word i don't know how it's really pronounced in the south we have no idea but we'll find out because we're probably going to go there this year. Yes, maybe. It's possible. Henry here, Chris, he's born. His parents are
Starting point is 00:08:31 Carolyn and David. Father's middle name is Henry, so that's where that came from. I'm sorry, father's last name is Henry and mother's last name is Lee. Dad, not really around much as a kid here, but he has five uncles that are always there he has a lot of family around him a lot of cousins a lot of uncles a lot of things like that very southern
Starting point is 00:08:52 it's very southern and he's got a lot of uh male role models when it comes to that he's got an uncle named arthur that would play basketball with him every day and do shit like he had a lot of people around he wasn't wasn't kind of on his own some of these people we talk about these athletes when they're kids they're like you know their mother was you know would work two jobs and then they would just go out and run the streets at night and shit like that and it's this isn't that situation there's there's always somebody watching him and and that sort of thing he's from okay this is outside of louisiana it's it's or outside of new orleans it's a suburb of new New Orleans and I'm using air quotes for that because
Starting point is 00:09:26 the South is a, it's so hard to explain. It's so weird. I remember my father lived in North Carolina for a little while. He lived outside of Raleigh, which North Carolina
Starting point is 00:09:35 is the South, but it's a, it's a milder version of the South. As we, you know, if you go to North Carolina and then you go to Alabama,
Starting point is 00:09:43 those are different places. People from North Carolina are like, these goddamn hillbillies down here. I don't know what the fuck's going on. They're going to look down on that. They're different. It's just different. But they have in the South, there's ghetto ghetto. There's like, okay, here's a bunch of shitty apartments and things like that.
Starting point is 00:10:01 And then there's country ghetto. You know what I'm saying? They don't have that here. They don't have that in new york there's a country ghetto you either live on a farm or you live in a town or a city and that's that there's there's no like oh it's like dirt roads and there's chickens running around but it's also the ghetto and there's little houses it's weird and that's what randy moss is from that's exactly right and that's that's the kind of yeah a lot of the a lot of football players are because they're from the south so you'll get that country ghetto shit they fish it's fucking weird that's what i mean it's yeah you got like people who are like i'm in a gang and
Starting point is 00:10:33 i fish right those two things don't go together what are you talking about i gotta sell this coke so i can buy me a new skeeter boat man that chartreuse spinnerbait's looking good for them bass right now they'd be chomping on that shit it's weird right yeah yeah it's it's straight to claim yeah the bass killers it's wild man jesus christ the fucking walleyes so now his uncle you one of those carp you one of those carp motherfuckers? Hell no. This is walleye territory, bitch. Stay out of my fucking place. There are carp and bass around here.
Starting point is 00:11:11 That's what it is. Crip and blood. Motherfucker gonna get kelped up in this bitch if you keep coming around. That's right. I'm taking that shit. Better back up. I got my stink paint on me. That's right.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Pop a kelp in your ass so ridiculous his uncle arthur says of where he grew up and his uncle arthur we kind of talked to a few times over the course of this he seemed to be the one that was closest to him as a kid and arthur says about where they're from this community was country he wasn't rich by any means but chris had all the all the love and attention he could ever want so that's and they were his uncles were all in the sports too and got chris in the sports he started playing football at five yeah i mean as soon as you could stick a helmet on him and it wouldn't just rattle and make him fall down forward they threw him out there go ahead as soon
Starting point is 00:11:59 as it was snug enough yeah that's it go ahead uh he played football since he was five but then he kind of got more into basketball later on because he's a tall, thin guy. He's 6'4", and he's listed at 200, but whatever. Is he 6'4"? He's 6'4". He's my height and pretty much my same proportions. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I didn't realize he was that big. He's a tall guy. He's one of those dangerous wide receivers who's a hard matchup because your corners are 5'10". Right. And 6'4 is just a lot of arms. You can just jump higher. That's all.
Starting point is 00:12:30 You can get up higher. Your wingspan is more. You can just blot the sun out from a guy if you want to. You're just bigger than them, so it's harder. As you've seen Randy Moss just have terrible position and just go over someone's head and take the ball back in the day. And somehow just plucks it out of the air. You're like, Jesus Christ, that's 6'4". And that's his arms.
Starting point is 00:12:49 Compared to 5'10". That's his arms outward and the back has his arms up. That's what I mean. And somehow Randy Moss is just right. And somehow Randy Moss is just right. Yeah. Still plucks it out of the air. The reason for that is because I actually did some research.
Starting point is 00:13:01 I was talking to Sarah about something and we were trying to see her height, how many people in the country are her height and how many people. Turns out six foot four and above is one percent of the male adult United States population. It's one percent and above. So when I go, why don't I fit in anything? Why is every chair uncomfortable? Because it's not fucking made for me. That's why. We don't aim it for you. No, it for 99 of everybody else which makes sense yeah that's
Starting point is 00:13:30 why there's nothing fucking fits i'm like why don't they make shit for tall people because why would you it's not profitable it's not it's still be stupid the overhead is ridiculous yeah it's way overhead so and that's another thing i'm going to talk about. I don't know if everybody's heard every episode, so I have to say this. As a tall person, I always talk about how NFL offensive linemen and defensive linemen, when they have concussions and they have CTE later on, I go, look, that guy was 6'5". He could have had CTE just from living his life without even playing football. From walking around. I swear to God, I probably have three concussions a year from hitting my i'm not even fucking kidding don't go back east james
Starting point is 00:14:08 since oh trust me i remember i like boston all that shit's built for midgets i grew up in a goddamn finished basement in high school where the doorway between the two rooms was about six two so i have taken literally feet overhead taken myself out many times on that. And just how often do I hit my fucking head when you're around me? My favorite time. Constantly. My favorite time you hit your head was being mad at a show wandering around the green room. You hit the same lamp three times.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Oh, God, I was mad. Yeah. Fucking St. Louis. Couldn't remember that it was there. Why was it just dangling at six foot fucking tall put it up and it was metal and it hurt and then it wasn't it wasn't it didn't have a shade on it it was a metal fucking like an army lamp and it was the one in the middle of the room and the one in the corner was tucked nicely up against the assholes the one in the middle of
Starting point is 00:15:01 the room i can hit my head on constantly so one in the walking path yeah what i'm getting at is these guys who are taller and play the and play football and bang their heads they're they're already in for a lot more concussions than your average person because they've hit their head on so much shit now it sounds like a joke but it really fucking isn't i'm not kidding i'm dead serious i wish i recorded all the times that you did it that's what i mean had it all on video because i would put put it to, like, Quiet Riot, and just a video, a montage of you just walking into shit. It's a total yakety-sax, and you could, like, rewind me, have me do it again.
Starting point is 00:15:36 I want yakety-sax. Then you can go three steps back and then forward again. Speed up the tape of me. Wandering off going, oh, Jesus. Ah, Jesus. That was right on the button. That's the ending of the video. That little button on top of the hat.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Oh, yeah, I've done that a few times. I've heard it from your mouth probably six times. Right on the button. How many times have you, like like you've probably seen me hit my head more times than you've hit your head in the last 20 years and that's just when you're around which is not that often so think about all the rest of the time the majority of times i've ever hit my head is coming up too fast from being under a vehicle you know what i mean that's yeah and then whacking your head on like the door a trailer hitch or something. But it's never anything hanging from a ceiling.
Starting point is 00:16:26 It's literally never, ever in my life been anything hanging from a ceiling. Cabinets, doorways, fucking you name it. A plane wing one time. The long story there. But yeah, it's not great. So this is what I'm getting at. So right away, six, four, he's hit his head a few times. Yeah, well, we'll just say that now.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Now, he basketball is his uncle. Arthur really pushed basketball on him because he's like a tall, thin kid. Right. And, you know, kind of the ideal frame for basketball and very athletic. Chris is athletic as shit, too. I mean, he can he's fast. He can jump. He's can he's fast he can jump he's a he's a real athlete and uh he says though his uncle this is funny his uncle said that chris
Starting point is 00:17:11 hit a growth spurt at 15 and that's when he you know went up to his his adult height and he said at that point he stopped playing on one-on-one with him and that was that he said uh he i never he's never beat me because i never gave him the chance to he was was tall enough. He's like, all right, that's enough. But he dunked, his dick was in my mouth, and I don't want to do that again. He said, I'm done with that. Once his balls grazed my forehead, I said it was time to call it a day. Let's quit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:34 So he wasn't really into football that much until the high school coach saw him and saw he had a big wingspan and he's an athlete. And they were like, Jesus Christ, he could be a receiver. And this is in the late nineties. And you know, that tall receiver was kind of coming into, into Vogue at this point. This was when Randy Moss was a star.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And you see a guy with that frame and that kind of athleticism and you go, shit, that's, you know, Moss was a basketball player. Receiver's a good place for a basketball player. Tight end and receiver are very good for ball players because it's the positioning on a rebound and positioning to get a ball are very similar sure the way you move your body it's a lot of instinctual shit it's just it's one of those
Starting point is 00:18:14 things uh dennis rodman would have been a very good wide receiver yeah you know he really would have been so uh and a 610 that's pretty fucking great that would have been insane yeah it's 6'8 6'8 that's ridiculous that's too tall though they would have taken his legs out and yeah probably he would have been he'd have gone up in the middle of the field on a cross route how many six foot eight receivers you see out there play three down yeah and get you're too much of a target there that's not great he's already a lunatic enough yeah you just don't see six eight football players really like three offensive linemen maybe and they were they were like, look how big he is. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:45 And they get them as wide as they are tall. Exactly. And they have knee injuries for forever. Yeah. His coach here in high school, Bob Becknell, he said, quote, I just kept putting it in his ear. He became one of the fiercest competitors we've ever had. All right.
Starting point is 00:18:58 After that, he started playing organized here in high school. Football is in his sophomore year in high school. So 10th grade. They said, though, he was very quiet. He's a very quiet guy, Chris Henry. Everybody says that about him. He's quiet. He's kind of an unassuming kind of guy.
Starting point is 00:19:13 That's what makes his behavior so puzzling, because he's known as this kind of quiet, gentle guy, and he's also a lunatic at the same time. So you're like, when does that part happen? What triggers that exactly? How do you go from, hey, man, I was going to just like, I will shoot every motherfucker in the air. Those are way different personality traits. That's why it's holer.
Starting point is 00:19:36 Well, we'll talk about it here. So his coach here, Becknell, said that classmates barely knew he was on the team. He said that the coach said, quote, he didn't want to stick out. He liked being around other people, but you had to seek him out to get him to talk. So he's just a quiet kid. And that's, you know, it's just sometimes teenagers are like that. I mean, that's just all there is to it. There's a lot of teenagers.
Starting point is 00:19:57 They don't feel like you can relate to them. Their problems are different. Yeah. Not only that, a lot of teenagers just don't figure out how to communicate socially communication until they're a little bit older. They're just kind of growing into their minds as much as their bodies, too. I mean, everybody's mind grows at a different rate. And boys, their voice sucks.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Yeah. That is a god awful voice. And when you get a big growth spurt, it's an awkward. Trust me, it's awkward. You're happy that you're tall now, but like everybody comments on it. And you just kind of want to blend in for a minute and stop having everybody go look how much fuck you got tall over the summer like that that's a that's enough already that shit so that might be part of it too i think it's part of the psychology there save my dick grow too yeah you're
Starting point is 00:20:38 asking fine take him down take him down to the ground let's check it out impressive isn't it so uh his coach said quote i coached him three years i don't know that he ever had a detention i never disciplined him once never had to wow so high school was a model athlete great kid he went to the bell chess or chase or whatever the fuck it is high school chassis chassis high school uh there uh and uh three other two other guys who ended up in the nfl went there guy named james right who played for cincinnati also uh for two years and then jeremy uh vuj vujnovich who played it was a tackle for the cardinals cults and packers so uh he chris during the his senior year, he was named New Orleans Small Schools Offensive Player of the Year. Small schools.
Starting point is 00:21:29 Small schools. Small high schools. Because they have the different divisions. One through five. I know in Arizona. And during that season, the team, the Fighting Cardinals of Belchess, made it to the Louisiana AAA State Championship game. And they played it at the Superdome, which must have been very depressing to go in there and play that game
Starting point is 00:21:48 and have 600 people watch in a 60,000 seat dome. Or it would be fucking fantastic. It would have so much room. And then it's just for the crowd. For the players, it would be weird. This big empty airplane hangar here. During his senior year,
Starting point is 00:22:04 he got an NFL logo tattooed on his hand who was it oh the saints no the logo and then oh the actual nfl shield the shield wow he got the nfl on his fucking hand to say he wanted to play in the nfl so that was like what the fuck i don't know why you would do that no he was saying he was gonna go he was gonna play in the nfl damn it and that's i guess you're i guess once you commit it to your skin you have to figure it out maybe you better do it trying to force his hand uh he's also played basketball in high school and was very good at it and also really good in track too because like i said he's an all-around athlete and uh a lot of these guys the all-around athletes they they play everything they play track they play everything which is good, probably.
Starting point is 00:22:48 So he's about 6'4", 200 pounds at the end of high school. So he ends up being recruited pretty decently, even though he's from a small school. Chooses to go to West Virginia University up there, which they have a history of some players there. West Virginia U? Yeah, yeah. The Mountaineers. The Mountaineers, yeah. He plays there. history of some some players there yeah yeah the mountaineers so the mountaineers yeah he uh he plays there he spent uh he redshirted his freshman season as most kids do unless they're just
Starting point is 00:23:12 physically ridiculous they usually redshirt and gain some weight and shit like that freshman year yeah because you come out of high school that's a different the physicality between high school and the nfl is not the, even close to the same. It's so far and away. Yeah, you have 22-year-olds who are seniors who are fucking full-grown adults with adult bodies. In college. In college, and you were just playing sophomores in high school. You were just beating up 15-year-olds who don't even have driver's licenses yet.
Starting point is 00:23:40 So you need a transitional year most of the time. You just beat up a kid who had his first beer yeah these are men that mainline that shit you had a kid who's hoping to maybe get his first hand job right that's who you were beating up yeah now you don't even care about this game now you're trying to fuck out yeah now you have men who have date raped dozens of sorority girls that's who you're playing now so it's way different yeah hardened criminals god jesus christ god these are bad people yeah no so uh rumor has it even during his freshman year while he was registered he had a little bit of trouble this is kind of when the trouble started uh there's a big thing that he he was in the food line in line for food and got mad at another student and punched him and uh was
Starting point is 00:24:24 arrested for it and uh the police the campus security came and at another student and punched him and was arrested for it and the police the campus security came and took him away and handed him over to the cops and he was arrested for it and it turns out that uh the rumor has it that the team kind of had it hey you know he didn't hit you that hard right had the guy drop it and everything be squashed and okay you know because for a guy on campus that would be a hard thing to be like pressing charges against a member of the football team especially if he's a good yeah you're gonna have a lot of people that don't like you at that point and chris is going to be a big star for them like he's kind of the star for them at the time you're not going to get invited to many football
Starting point is 00:24:57 parties or frat parties no or really any parties if you're pulling that shit yeah you're gonna probably just say yeah yeah i don't know that we had a misunderstanding and move on from there it probably was one yeah it's what i mean it probably was it's and it's kids i two 18 year old boys getting in a fight in a food line is i don't know i don't know why anyone needs to be arrested there unless the one said please don't hit me and then the other one unmercifully pummeled him you know we have two grown people agree to fight unless they break any property or anything, let them fucking fight with each other. Why can't, as a society, we enter into an adult agreement that I want to fight you, you want to fight me.
Starting point is 00:25:33 If someone gets hurt, it's on whoever, it's on you. You said you wanted to fight, and that's not his fault. Why can't we do that? As long as there's no murder. If everybody gets, you can do it if you if you get a crowd if you get spectators and pay the guys ten dollars and you could do it but why can't you do it anyway i don't get it it's just stupid so we both are in agreement here it's just because one gets his ass kicked so hard he changes his mind and says he didn't want to fight anymore yeah but i mean
Starting point is 00:25:58 there's always people around during fights people never the only time people fight when they're alone it's like if they live together or something otherwise people don't fight when they're alone is if they live together or something. Otherwise, people don't fight when they're alone. That's true. Because there's no, oh, he slighted me and people saw it. That's why people fight, because they got embarrassed in public and horse shit like that. So 2003 in West Virginia. He has a good year here.
Starting point is 00:26:19 He earned Big East Conference Freshman of the Year. So that's impressive. That's really good. And all Big East second Freshman of the Year. So that's impressive. That's really good. And all Big East second team honors. He had 41 catches for 1,006 yards and 10 touchdowns. That sounds good. As a freshman, that's enormous. And for West Virginia, that's like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:26:36 41 with 1,000, that's great. 41 with 1,000 yards is great. No, his average, he had 24.5 yards per reception. Unreal. Which is the third most in the season in school history, which is pretty good here. Not too shabby. Third most in history. In history, in the school's history.
Starting point is 00:26:53 He also became the second player in the school history to record over 1,000 receiving yards in one season. All the records there are held by a guy named David Saunders, who went on to play for like eight arena league teams ouch yeah you can have all the records at your school shit and you still ain't going to the nfl he never played in the nfl yeah i looked at his he never played in the nfl it was all arena league teams all these records at west virginia how big was he's a little guy smaller guy and uh some of the times back then he just didn't get a chance he's not even that old i think he's uh a few years five years older five years ahead of uh chris he's in his fucking 40s just doesn't get a chance sometimes the nfl he's uncle rico there's a doc yeah no there's a documentary i was seeing i think it's lebron james produced it and it's uh it's the one about christ i can't
Starting point is 00:27:39 remember the name of it which really kind of ruins the whole thing but it's either way lebron james produced documentary you fucking google it's the same thing as ruins the whole thing. But it's either way. LeBron James produced documentary. You fucking Google. It's the same thing as if I gave you the title. There's less than five of them. That's what I mean. You'll figure it out when I tell you what it's about. But it's one about how they don't pay players in college.
Starting point is 00:27:56 All right. And they talk about how this school has $110 million athletic facility. And then this kid can't afford Taco Bell. And they ask the kids, would you rather have $110 million athletic facility and then this kid can't afford taco bell and they asked the kids like would you rather have 110 million dollar athletic facility or be paid minimum wage and they're all like i'll fucking work out in the parking lot if you pay me i don't give a fuck how nice the workout facility is that does not help me at all don't push up in there anyway they don't care they don't like a way give me the weights and the machine i mean it's nice to have but they're all
Starting point is 00:28:23 like if it's that or pay me, fucking pay me. Fuck this. A hundred million dollars got to buy so much shit. It's beautiful. Beautiful. It's huge. And this is just for like a workout facility. Not even for a stadium.
Starting point is 00:28:35 It's their gym. That's the gym. And the guys are like, and I don't get paid. Okay. So, but they showed a bunch of guys there. And there's so many little things. Like one guy had a, he ended up getting kicked off the team before he finished his third year in college. He got kicked off the team because one of his teammates' fathers saw that he was a walk-on, and he couldn't afford to do it anymore.
Starting point is 00:29:00 He said he wouldn't eat for four days at a time. He slept in his car to play football. Was he an open mic-er? What does he think he is? Basically, a walk-on in college football is the open mics. It's like you going to other cities to do open mics. You're not getting paid. It's all on you.
Starting point is 00:29:17 So he had to pay for school and figure out how to live and do all this shit as a walk-on and play football. So he had less time to do all this shit. So he couldn't do it and he said he was quitting he's a really good player so one of his teammates fathers said you're not fucking quitting what's it going to take for what is it twelve hundred dollars a month and you could you could survive and he said well yeah probably he goes i'll give you twelve hundred dollars a month while you're in school don't worry about it so his teammates father said i'll just pay that way go get yourself the one bedroom apartment and have food. And I'll take care of it.
Starting point is 00:29:46 And play football. Yeah. So anyway, that ended up because the father was also a booster. He gave to the school. He wasn't even an alumni, but he had given to the school. They called that an illegal thing. Kicked the kid off the team before his third year was finished. So then he's not eligible for the NFL draft because the rule is because the nfl you
Starting point is 00:30:05 know well yeah the the nfl has has they're so have their fingers up the asses of the ncaa and they're so intertwined that in order for one to keep the other in business they say let's make it a rule that these kids have to do this the ncaa is a business by the way it's not a fucking this is fucking licensed that's what i mean this is not like some uh it's not the d way. It's not a fucking... It's fucking licensed. That's what I mean. This is not like some... It's not the DMV. It's a fucking business. It's not the post office. It's not government funded.
Starting point is 00:30:32 It's a business. So for one business to say we won't... And one business, by the way, that has antitrust exemptions from fucking Congress, that makes a huge difference. If you're from another country, you won't understand that. But basically, you're not allowed to be monopoly over here. The NFL is a huge difference. If you're from another country, you won't understand that. But basically, you're not allowed to be monopoly over here. The NFL is a huge monopoly. So they get a pass on the antitrust thing for the most part because the USFL sued them for antitrust and won, but they gave them a dollar.
Starting point is 00:30:56 So that basically said, yeah, you can sue the NFL and win, but no one's going to give you any fucking money. Nobody cares what you think. Exactly. Baseball has actual congressional protection from antitrust laws which is nuts that's why you never see an alternate baseball league pop up but and they have interrogations on fucking capitol hill yeah that's the that's the other thing if you have that crazy if you have antitrust exemption then whenever congress wants to you know stick around in your sport you have to go testify that's that's the difference that's so crazy though we have that's what we spend time and money on yeah it's
Starting point is 00:31:29 investigating a fucking sport because that's that's all that gets people's faces on there on tv but yeah so it's ridiculous that you have to play three years in this other business before you're allowed to possibly make a living maybe join another uh business and really the only place you can really make a living doing they said well you can go play arena league or you can play that yeah you can make 28 grand a year that's saunders how that worked out that's what i mean what saunders doing now probably not living comfortably from his football career he's probably working in west virginia or wherever the fuck home yeah he's working on a loading dock somewhere is what he's doing hopefully Hopefully he's doing better.
Starting point is 00:32:07 That's what I'm saying, though. It's ridiculous. And this one kid, he was shy of his third year, not eligible for the draft. He had to go play in Europe or some shit. He was making like $400 a week playing in Germany. And the kid was really good. He was like the star over there. Every team he's on, he was like the star
Starting point is 00:32:22 of the team. The rules precluded it. yeah it's ridiculous he never made it to i don't know about now but i don't think so because i mean he had to basically be seen as an undrafted person after that then you can sign these people later on but it the process is oh it's slow rolling too yeah they're not seeing you if you're in germany really you know so it's a tough sell it is so that's what i mean it's a it's a tough deal and uh the ncaa and the nfl are just the worst together and i i love football but it's a fucking criminal conspiracy the whole thing well yeah just the fact
Starting point is 00:32:56 that just the fact that when there is a good walk-on on any nfl team they talk about it their entire fucking career at the beginning of every game this guy's a walk-on you we we've been watching this guy for 12 years you're still hearing what a low draft pick tom brady was yeah still to this day you're hearing about that yeah well he drafted all the way down we get it right yeah that was a good pick terrific but it's it's just rod smith the wide receiver for the broncos perfect example there. There you go. Sixth round, fifth round. I think he was undrafted. I think he was an undrafted walk-on free agent.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Matter of fact, I know that because they've said it in every fucking game he played. Yeah, everything forever. Unreal. So, yeah, it's interesting here. So, it's a tough transition, and NFL makes it tough. I saw the NCAA now because everyone on earth tweeted it at me which i was fine with because it finally fucking happened where they're going to let the kids profit yeah off of their names and likenesses uh 700 000 more times than they said rod smith was an undrafted more times than there are college athletes once for every college athlete affected
Starting point is 00:34:02 by it which is fine i didn't mind it was relevant so that's fine now uh his best game was a 200 yard two touchdown game against syracuse which is they're actually a powerhouse syracuse because compared to west virginia's pretty big school though they're they're one of those where they have like these streaks of being you know good nationally and then they disappear for a while and and they come back again. But their fan base sticks around. It's crazy. Oh, yeah, no, no, that's all they have. They have bars out here in Phoenix, Arizona
Starting point is 00:34:30 that are dedicated straight to them. Let me ask you this, Jerry. What else do they have in West Virginia besides the Mountaineers and Cole? Very little. Yeah, outside of, unless you're going to root for Cole, you have nothing else to think about or talk about.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Well, Wild and Wonderful Whites, they have that. That's true, you can root for them. It's like bird watching. Want to go white watching today? All right. You just go around, look for them, take pictures. There he is. Look at him.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Look at him all messed up. Look at all them pills they're on. Oh, he just fell down to me. You get pictures of that? Hey, Jolene, you got pictures of them falling down? The kids are going to want to see it. Hurry up. We got to get to the Mountaineers training.
Starting point is 00:35:08 It's a Mountaineer practice facility, Dave. Jesus Christ. They're over there in that weight room. It's so funny, too. Yeah, I love these places. A lot of places are like this where the fan base loves this college so much, and 97% of the fan base did not go to that college at all. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:35:27 That's what I don't get. Like, I get loving a college you went to, but if you didn't go to that college, it's just your local college, I don't get what the draw would be to it. And sometimes even when you went there, I don't understand why you still give a shit. That's the other thing I don't get is why do you're 38 stop it how good of an experience did you have there and you know what whatever the last 20 years should have trumped it yeah it should have just overtaken whatever you had and you should go oh did i go yeah you're 46 with a career stop it let's hope well that's the problem your career wasn't as good as as you thought as your college years were, which is sad.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Go Gamecocks. Yeah. Mountaineers in this case. So 2003, the Mountaineers, this day were coached by Rich Rodriguez, who went on to be a failure, I believe, in the NFL. And then Michigan, he did a bad job at Michigan and got shit canned. I don't know later on. I'm thinking of a different Rich. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Who am I thinking of? Rich Kotite, the old Jets coach. No, the one for the Panthers. What was that guy? Was it like Ortega or some shit like that? Ron Rivera, you're thinking of. Ron Rivera. I was right there.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I was killing it. That's fine. Rich, Ron, same shit. So the Mountaineers are 8-5 that year. Like I said, Chris does great. 24.5 yards per catch, which is outstanding. They go all the way to the Gator Bowl facing Maryland, and they get the living shit beaten out of them.
Starting point is 00:36:53 41-7 in the Gator Bowl. But, you know, they were there. So good for them. Maryland's consistent, pretty decent. Yeah, sometimes. And basketball. Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Football, they're less consistent. Basketball. I know I constantly hear them mentioned yeah on espn basketball they're always in the tournament they're always kind of going far they're covering college and i'm tuning out i think they won a national championship in the early 2000s possibly somewhere around there 2004 west virginia goes eight and four under rich rodriguez again they go all the way to the gator Bowl again, damn it, where they play Florida State and lose again, 30-18 in the Gator Bowl. Now, this is where he has some issues this year. This year, though, I mean, numbers are great.
Starting point is 00:37:38 He plays in 11 games, has 52 receptions, 872 yards, 12 touchdowns. That's all tremendous. Good for you, Chris. But the problem is he has multiple things happen and that gets him kind of kicked off the team for better or worse here. He's ejected from a game at Rutgers due to multiple unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. And it was for celebrations. He got flagged on a celebration in the end zone,
Starting point is 00:38:08 and then it was a long pass, and he celebrated for that and got flagged for it. And two of those, and they toss you. So that's it. So he didn't do anything terrible. He was happy twice, so he got ejected from the fucking game. He wasn't Odell Beckham getting furious.
Starting point is 00:38:24 God forbid you show joy in college or the nfl or anything are they let by the way do they change the rule i must have missed it this year in the nfl about the team about like the group celebrations that's that's the only one that's permitted right okay yeah because they used to before this it was you can only have one person celebrating i think it's celebrate i think it's now only everybody can. Okay, remember everybody would have to stand back and wait for them. Don't go near him.
Starting point is 00:38:47 He's dancing. Hey, guys. Hey, stay back. He's dancing. He acted like he was wired with somebody in ISIS with just dynamite all around him
Starting point is 00:38:55 with a big fucking clock on the front of him. He's doing the detonator dance. Oh, God. He's doing it. Everybody back. Oh, Jesus Christ. Literally, you'd see a guy
Starting point is 00:39:02 go too close. Some guy would go, oh, Jesus Christ. We're going to get a flag. Oh, go near him while he's dancing. That's how ticky-tack and ridiculous it was don't go near a man while he dances that's that's a penalty with when you start uh when you start penalizing and start uh what's the word i'm looking for just watching over it and and and fucking picking yeah yeah being a being a bitch about it come yeah you why are you being such a bitch?
Starting point is 00:39:25 Stupid fucking rules. Now we don't understand the fucking rule. Is it everybody has to dance or nobody can dance? Yeah. If one guy starts dancing, does everybody now have to dance?
Starting point is 00:39:34 What about that one guy that can't dance at all? Well, I think now you need to involve everybody. It's like now you have to have a whole chorus line because you don't want to leave anybody out.
Starting point is 00:39:41 No, maybe that's it. Now your coach has to be involved so he's got to get the equipment manager. Where the fuck is Jerry jones the defensive coordinator is 78 years old he's got bad knees he played he played in the 50s he's like god christ i gotta get out ah for fucking coming hold on do the cartwheel walt but i think i think you're allowed to now you're allowed to because now i see and they. Because now I see. And they're fucking fun. They're great. Yeah. You know what they do after a touchdown? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:07 Nothing. One team comes off the field. One team comes on the field. The refs jerk each other off. They reset the chair. There's like two fucking minutes of literally bullshit where they just used to go to a commercial because there was nothing to do. Or we have to watch the new Subaru Outback.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Who cares? I don't care what the latest lesbian mobile is. I want to know what the fuck if 17 men have planned a choreographed dance together. Because I find that fascinating. I want to know what's in T.O.'s sock and what is he signing with it. I find
Starting point is 00:40:38 it fascinating because this is what I always think. I guarantee you they didn't work that out in practice. Their coach would be like, shut that fucking dancing shit out we're gonna run the coaches are not gonna let them get over here for the yzx play not doing it yeah your coach is not gonna allow you to practice your choreography during team time so that means that after they're done all right whether it's at the facility like hey man exhausted yo man yeah we're gonna all stay an extra hour tonight they got girlfriends they got shit going on call your girl we're staying with stinky dicks
Starting point is 00:41:08 and we're figuring this out or during training camp like at night when they're all in these rooms they rather than like play video games or do what they do they were like yo man let's write a dance and they're doing it in like the 11th hour like like Saturday Night Live. A group of young men in their 20s who are on performance enhancing drugs and fucking work out like maniacs and are just pussy hounds going out there. They're like, no. God damn it, Jesus Christ. It's fall switch fucking Christ. It's CJ. Ball, switch, fucking spin. Your other left.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Jeez, spin. No, not after the hitch. What the fuck, man? Back to one. Let's go. We're going to do. We'll be here all night until you get it right. We'll be here until the coin flips.
Starting point is 00:41:59 What the fuck is happening? That's what I, that's what, because this shit is really organized where you're like, that is so planned. How the fuck is happening that's what i that's what yeah because this shit is really organized where you're like that is so planned well how the fuck so i find it fascinating though so uh anyway good year for him but these unsportsmanlike uh uh conduct penalties get him suspended for the season finale against pit the university of p that's crazy. Which is ridiculous for celebrating twice. The coach, Rich Rodriguez, here, because he's basically done, and Chris says he's going to go try for the NFL and everything else. He says that Chris is, quote, an embarrassment to himself and the program.
Starting point is 00:42:39 How dare you, sir? Dude. What? Come on, man. Because he was jacked? He caught a ball? Listen to me. henry did a lot of shit that's embarrassing for both himself and lots of programs he's involved with that is not
Starting point is 00:42:51 that's can't be put aside is that foreshadowing that's not it though that's not the thing that did it i don't think that that's the one where they could have just went oh come on the kid is fucking happy ridiculous he's an embarrassment. Yeah, exactly. You don't amount to shit. He's an embarrassment. Dancing like that when he's happy. And then they play the end of the bowl game.
Starting point is 00:43:17 And he's got to play in the bowl game after his coach just told him that he's an embarrassment. And he caught three passes in it. And then after the game, he announced he's going to enter the draft because he has nowhere else to go there. He's the third player in West Virginia history to average more than 20 yards per catch in his career. And his 1,878 career receiving yards is eighth most in school history, which is not too shabby here. And 22 touchdown receptions are second most in school history. And he played two seasons. And he played two seasons for us. So, I mean, if he played a third third season he would have shattered all the records and own
Starting point is 00:43:47 everything so uh 2005 nfl draft and we've gone over this a few times this was the aaron rogers sinking and uh that whole sad state of affairs still talk about that too one of the saddest things yeah well it's still one of the saddest things I've ever seen in sports to watch a man go from I'm great. Top five to I'm a piece of shit. My life is wonderful to nobody wants me. It would be like if he showed up at the prom thinking he was hot shit. And somehow on the ride to the prom, the largest pimple in the world formed right in the center of his nose. And then once he got there, he was like, oh.
Starting point is 00:44:23 And he just went and sat in a corner and was sad about about it and nobody wanted to dance with him that's the story of aaron rogers nobody wanted to dance with the girl that wanted to dance with him who said meet me there yeah uh dance with tom brady well yeah and then he ended up with a with the green bay packers which i would assume would be the equivalent of the of the of a job like a high school girl that you never liked because you thought she was a little chunky for you. And now you're like, okay, fine. Or somebody brought their best cow from the state fair and gave it to him to dance with. Who went first in this?
Starting point is 00:44:54 That was Alex Smith, whose leg is in like 46 pieces now. Holy shit. That's an embarrassment. Turned out to be a good quarterback there. That's the embarrassment. Turned out to be a good quarterback. Christ, before he got hurt, he was one of the top guys in the league. But you could have had Aaron Rodgers. You could have had Aaron Rodgers, obviously. That's the embarrassment. Well, it turned out to be a good quarterback. Christ, before he got hurt, he was one of the top guys in the league. But you could have had Aaron Rodgers.
Starting point is 00:45:06 You could have had Aaron Rodgers, obviously. That's the embarrassment. Yeah, that's pretty sad. San Francisco, but they wanted him. And yeah, Ronnie Brown, Braylon Edwards, Cedric Benson, Cadillac. Fucking running backs, man. Four out of the first five picks, or three out of the first five are running backs. That's what the league was then, though, was so much running.
Starting point is 00:45:22 You don't see that at all. Yeah, but you it's still a lot of running but they just go yeah you can draft a guy in like the third round they don't give a shit about running it's all scheme now they think so well it's now it's now weird looking for the best receiver and making the fucking wild catches and dbs and left tackles right that offensive line well now it's if you have a quarterback that's worth half a shit you need to protect the shit out of him because otherwise otherwise, what good is he at that point? Everyone's hurt so much.
Starting point is 00:45:47 I've missed so much NFL this year. I don't even know who the best running back in the league is anymore. Jesus Christ. That's crazy. Yeah, that's true. There's no set guy at this point in time. Right, there's nobody to keep an eye on. There's no Adrian Peterson who's the best or something like that.
Starting point is 00:46:01 And then he goes and beats kids. And then he beats kids. And he's still pretty good at running. He's still decent, yeah. Damn it, he's beating kids. But he's running all over the league and playing for every goddamn team in it. Yeah, well, yeah, at the end of his career, that's what running backs do. So sad.
Starting point is 00:46:12 It is. So, yeah, the second round here, different J.J. Arrington guys like that. Darren Williams, who's dead. Denver. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Denver defensive back who died. He killed himself. Yeah, he did.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And Frank Gore in the third round. That's a great pick. denver oh yeah yeah that's right defensive back who killed himself yeah he did and uh frank gore in the third round that's a great pick san francisco made up for that alex smith pick by picking frank gore in the third round who i believe he'll play the least because he's still please he's still playing he's still playing now i couldn't remember if he decided to retire finally i saw i saw a game still running backs don't do that i know aaron rogers is around that's 14 years as a running back. Aaron Rodgers is around. That's fine.
Starting point is 00:46:47 He goes back there and does commercials for State Farm and combs his hair. This guy's getting the shit pounded out of him, Frank Gore. Every goddamn day. And he just keeps going. I saw a game. I forget the team that he's on now. It's not a team that you would even guess. And a guy trollops by, takes his helmet off.
Starting point is 00:47:03 I'm like, that motherfucker looks just like Frank Gore. And then they go, Frank Gore in his 14th season. I'm like, you have to be shitting me. His hair's white. No, he's got no hair. It's all shaved down. It's a bald head. Poor bastard.
Starting point is 00:47:13 He's been around forever. They've beat the hair off of him at this point. It just doesn't even grow anymore. It's not even baldness. It's just so many hits have just ran away. Hair follicles died. It jumped right out of his head. Abandon ship. That's how it baldness. It's just so many hits. Hair follicles died. It jumped right out of his head. Abandoned ship. That's how it works
Starting point is 00:47:28 here. Poor bastard. Finally, third round, Justin Tuck, which is another good pick. The Giants defensive end has had a goddamn good career. Really good career. So some decent guys in the third round even available this year. Richie Incognito for an asshole. And third round
Starting point is 00:47:44 pick 83 overall.incinnati picks chris henry okay here uh picks him up out of west virginia like we talked about 83rd overall okay the third round uh so 2005 he goes to cincinnati that is the carson palmer cincinnati bangles of the mid-2000s where they were good for a flash yeah and then you were like oh my god are they gonna start to be yeah no I don't think so. TJ Houshmandzada leaves and they suck. Well, yeah, this is the TJ Houshmandzada. We had Chad Johnson, Prio Chosinko.
Starting point is 00:48:13 He's coming into, it's a good spot for a new receiver to come into because Houshmandzada and Chad Johnson, there's your one-two. God, that's a great three. And then your third guy is a dangerous, that's why they got him. Wow. They had nothing to lose. He fell to the third round. That's why they got him. Wow. They had nothing to lose. He fell to the third round. That's why they were so good for so long.
Starting point is 00:48:28 And they were like, shit, well, he's a big guy, deep threat. It's a great change to those other two guys. Usman Zada's kind of a stocky guy. Johnson's a really good guy. Fast as fuck. Fast possession guy, everything else. And then you got this guy who's a lanky. Great slot receiver.
Starting point is 00:48:41 That's what I mean. So not too shabby of an idea. That was, oh, John Kitna is the backup there. Yeesh, Jesus. God damn it. I wonder who's what I mean. So not too shabby of an idea. That was John Kitna as the backup there. Yeesh, Jesus. God damn it. I wonder who was their tight end. That's a great fucking offense. No, it's not bad at all.
Starting point is 00:48:53 And their running back was good, too. Who was their running back? Matt Schoble's the tight end. That was the year they had Rudy Johnson be their main running back. Oh, Jesus. That was the post-Corey Dillon. Oh, that's not bad. No, Rudy Johnson was good.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Rudy Johnson's good. Post-Corey Dillon years. That year, Rudy Johnson had 1,458 yards and 12 touchdowns. Jesus Christ, how did they lose? He was crushing it. Averaged 4.3 a carry. Their defense must have ate dicks. Not too bad at all.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Well, they had a good year. They were 11-5 that year. So, I mean, that was playing in the tough division, too. But they were 11-5 that year, and they go to the wild card game against the Steelers. And that was those years where those were just pick-ems, basically. Any of those playoff games, it didn't matter who was 11-5 or 13-3. Once they got in the playoffs, the Steelers and the Bengals and all these teams would knock each other off every year. So they lose 31-17 to the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:49:42 They lose to themselves. The Bengals put up 31 points on the bangles it was pretty impressive that's how bad they are now chris henry played in 15 games uh started or played in 14 games started five which isn't too shabby 31 receptions for 422 yards and six touchdowns yeah not a bad rookie year at all as a third because you're definitely not going to break into the top two with those guys. He does make the all-rookie team, though. How about that? All-rookie team along with Kyle Orton. Remember Kyle Orton?
Starting point is 00:50:11 God, he's terrible. Goofiest-looking quarterback. Oh, he's so bad. He played for the Broncos for a while, so you must have hated him. He's a fucking nightmare. I remember when he was on the fucking Bears. They called him Neckbeard. Because he had a big neckbeard.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Only on his neck. Only on his neck. It's crazy. His face didn't grow hair. He was a goofy looking guy, too. And just a terrible arm on him. He had a noodle on him. I looked at him and I go, how did he
Starting point is 00:50:34 make the, how did anyone pick him in the NFL? You got a guy going deep. He's like 40 yards out in stride. Noodle. And he will throw it 30 yards deep and just drop 20 yards in front of him why did you do that kyle these weak passes over the middle they just didn't have enough zip on james his name was kyle why are we surprised just annoyed me to watch him so anyway kyle orton was on that
Starting point is 00:50:57 team cadillac williams uh ronnie brown and mark clayton a lot a lot of good players that are turned out to be kind of big shots. Sean Merriman was on the all-rookie team. I loved that guy. He was nasty. And I hated him. I loved him and I hated him. He was great in his position, but he played for the Chargers. I've got to hate him. All-rookie team. NFL. Fulfilled his
Starting point is 00:51:17 tattoo. Grace. It would make it real difficult to have that tattoo and be handing back change to somebody at the drive-thru what happened there sir these fries aren't crispy enough let me take those from you oh no the nfl yeah i really like football i'm a big fan big fan obviously that'd be bad shit yeah because uh i ain't playing it was on the top of his hand? I believe so, yeah. I was hoping to be on the palm. You don't see a lot of palm tattoos.
Starting point is 00:51:47 There's very few. That's weird. How come you don't see palm tattoos? Jesse James, the guy from West Coast Shoppers, used to have one that said pay up sucker with a dollar sign on his palm of his hand. Some people do it, but it's not very common. I never see it.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Really? I've seen them. I've seen it, but you see sleeves and fucking up your neck. But palm of the hand? Inside your fucking ear. I've seen them. I mean, you see, I've seen it, but you see sleaze. Oh, yeah, all the time. And fucking up your neck. Neck, yeah. But palm of the hand. Inside your fucking ear. Clear as can be.
Starting point is 00:52:10 It's just weird. You're missing a spot, stupid. Just dip your hand in ink and just drag a needle over it. Who gives a fuck at this point? Yeah, who cares? Fucking write something on there. Just your address, grocery list. Wouldn't it be hilarious if you just saw milk, eggs,
Starting point is 00:52:26 just somebody has like a scribble, a tattoo of like a scribbled grocery list on their hand. That'd be the greatest tattoo. I'm not afraid. That'd be the best tattoo in the world. Like Netflix password.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Yeah. Like shit like that. The Wi-Fi password. That would be amazing. Just something. It doesn't even have to be real. How great would Wi-Fi password and then just some dumb password like skunk with like a dollar sign for the S.
Starting point is 00:52:50 You know what I mean? Something stupid. Yeah. And then just when I'm 80, the Wi-Fi doesn't exist anymore. Netflix doesn't exist. Yeah. It's all on brain waves. I've got a bullshit Wi-Fi tattoo.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Good. You can explain it to your great grandchildren. It's a conversation. Let me tell you about Netflix, honey. Like what? I feel like your grandfather saying, let me tell you about the Encyclopedia Britannica. I bought it from a man at the door. You old fart.
Starting point is 00:53:17 A man came to my door and I bought it. I don't have to wait for a guy to come over and offer them to me. I just can just turn it on. He unloaded them from an Oldsmobile's trunk. you imagine by the way i thought about that people used to sell encyclopedias door-to-door that's crazy you imagine when they actually got a sale how exciting that must have been seriously imagine like wait a second are you fucking kidding me you had no interest in this you didn't wake up this morning going i really want to know about aardvarks if only there was a place i could look it up you didn't think that at all right but i knocked on your door
Starting point is 00:53:48 and just due to the just the force of my sales technique i got you to buy a shitload of books you don't want how the fuck did i do that for an unreal amount of money wow they must have been like running oh i'll be right back running to the trunk to get them. Like, holy Jesus. You know how many trips I'm going to have to take to my truck? Wow. Then they'd go home. I made a sale today. No, I did.
Starting point is 00:54:12 The car got great gas mileage coming home. Tremendous. I quit right then. High watermark. We are $12 million richer now because I sold one set. One set. So December 15th 2005 this is after uh uh his rookie season here uh like i said makes the all-rookie team has a good year this is right at the end of the year pre-playoffs this is a stretch run uh you know the bangles are fighting
Starting point is 00:54:40 for playoff spots and he gets pulled over in covington, Kentucky, which is where the airport is. That's to go to Cincinnati. It's right across the river. It's all woodsy, and then you cross the river, and you smell the sulfur of Cincinnati. There it is. Welcome home. Welcome home, everybody. So he is pulled over for speeding and also ends up, the officer catches a whiff of something
Starting point is 00:55:02 and ends up getting arrested for possession of marijuana. Of course. Which I'm not going to break his balls for that because who cares? I do know that the Bengals players really like weed. You know what? All the players really like weed. You know why?
Starting point is 00:55:15 Because it's great. Because weed's good. That's why they like it. Because everyone else likes it too for that reason. And especially if you get banged around all the time, it eases it up a little bit. I just found out I played for the Bengals yeah so do you i need to smoke weed here i rolled a fatty so we're gonna need this it's fucking true though listen like nowadays
Starting point is 00:55:35 ricky williams speaks out about it and says well by the end of my career it was either smoke weed or do a shitload of pills that's a man that's one of the two chose weed over football that's incredible and then came back and and he was just like no no i made the right move i'm leaving no he came back played more and and said that said it was either once he finally retired he said that by the end it was either weed or pills i had to do one of the two and uh i wasn't gonna do any pills i didn't want to do pills so i chose weed for myself and good for him. So, yeah, he's arrested for that. He ends up pleading guilty to this and getting a $250 fine and a month of like outpatient drug rehab shit, which is ridiculous. It's Jesus Christ. Rehab for weed.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Yeah. Go in there. I smoked weed. Oh, don't you feel? What are we going to talk about? How great was it? Yeah. Can you just describe it to us?
Starting point is 00:56:21 What are we going to talk about? Yeah. Was it recently? Yeah. Do your recently? Yeah. Do your clothes still smell like it? Can I smell it? It's still in your hair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:32 January 28, 2006. This is a month later. This is right after the playoff loss. It's like two weeks later. So the Bengals are still stinging in people's minds here. He's outside of a club in Orlando, Florida, which is right away a bad yeah outside of a club slash orlando florida those two things together individually bad together not great not good at all as we've been to orlando and oh boy oh boy it is interesting down there that's a place where you're like people live here huh okay all right really now people just come and
Starting point is 00:57:04 go to disneyland and go home right the people who work at disney world live at disney world i feel like because they live somewhere else no they actually drive into there every day wow okay so uh he is uh what an idiot chris henry at this point he gets in an argument with a group of people outside there's you know groups of people hanging out he gets in an argument with a group of people outside there's you know groups of people hanging out he gets in an argument with a group of people and pulls a nine millimeter pistol oh my god what raises it up and aims it at the crowd okay uh yeah uh there is a police officer directing traffic nearby yeah who sees this right and clearly intervenes because that's what cops do when people have guns pointed at people in florida they usually pull it out and go i got one too
Starting point is 00:57:44 yeah well you know because henry's a 22 year old black guy so you empty their clip into him That's what cops do when people have guns pointed at crowds of people. But in Florida, they usually pull it out and go, I got one too. High five. Yeah. Well, no, because Henry's a 22-year-old black guy, so they usually empty their clip into him. Yeah. But instead, this cop yells at Henry to freeze. By the way, Henry is just standing outside of his limo that he's in. So the cop, I don't know, it's a weird thing.
Starting point is 00:58:01 I think the limo might have saved his life. Like, hmm, I don't know if I'm going to shoot him. He's in a limo. He might be famous. He might be important. I'm not have saved his life. Like, hmm, I'm not going to shoot him. He's in a limo. He might be famous. He might be important. I'm not sure. Is that that Jay-Z? I'm not.
Starting point is 00:58:08 I ain't positive, but is that The Rock maybe? I don't know. Somebody. Awfully tall. He's awfully tall, and put it this way, he's a little darker than my grandma, if you know what I mean. Pulls his gun and goes, who do you play for? Who do you play for, boy?
Starting point is 00:58:22 Don't you call me boy. And he turns the gun, and then we have a shootout in the streets that's what's gonna happen he goes i call everybody boy i'm from the south it's a bad thing it doesn't work out well so now he pulls out this nine millimeter on people so this cop turns and pulls his gun on chris henry and says drop your fucking gun moron right uh you know i'm a police officer i'm allowed to carry this more than you are i'm going to shoot you right so what he does is he freezes chris and then makes a move toward the limo and throws the gun inside the backseat of the limo okay i don't know why he thought that was a good idea and then like tries to get near the limo the cop runs over yanks chris away from the limo pulls him away and throws him on the ground and you, trying to escape after pointing a gun at people.
Starting point is 00:59:05 You've got to get an investigation going and see what's happening here. He's going to be lucky if that doesn't constitute assault with a deadly weapon on however many people are there. Well, that's the thing. And they find a loaded 9mm Luger on the back seat, as what they said. Also, let's add one more thing. The Pasco County Sheriff's Office has the gun listed as stolen as well. Oh, you fucking asshole.
Starting point is 00:59:26 So he's going to point a stolen gun at a group of people that he's upset with. He's arrested for, this is interesting here, carrying a concealed firearm in proper exhibition of a firearm. Which one is it? You want him to have it out or away? Which fucking one? There's a protocol for proper exhibition. You can't have it too far in and you can't have it too far out.
Starting point is 00:59:47 You know what I'm saying? Away or not. Fucking pick one. So improper exhibition, carrying concealed firearm, an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. These are felonies.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Fuck yeah, they are. All of them. All three, which is not terrific, I would say, for a young man who's trying to start his career in a fame-based environment. Not wonderful.
Starting point is 01:00:09 He has to post $3,000 bail and is released, and he'll have more to do with that later. A friend of his says that the trouble with him really started in 2006 when he moved 11, one, one of his relatives to his house after Hurricane Katrina. Oh, God, Jesus. Hurricane Katrina. No, no. I mean, hey, you know what? His family was apparently their homes were wiped out. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:41 But 11 people, it's cheaper to build one fucking house in 11 people in your house that's crazy there's gonna be and he's not he's a third round draft pick he's making 400 grand a year he's not he doesn't have 20 million dollars this guy so for him to have 11 people living in his house that's actually gonna you know that's gonna change your life it's generous of him we'll put it that way and it's gonna devalue your property because that many people shitting in a toilet. Yeah, they're going to destroy it. You can't have 12 people living in a house.
Starting point is 01:01:08 They're going to destroy your house. No, you just aged your house five years in a year. Absolutely. So, wow. Okay, good. I'm glad that's what you meant. Yeah. I thought you were having a real...
Starting point is 01:01:16 No, no, no. I just mean like... It's going to devalue your house. All those black people there. I mean, Jesus Christ. 11 of them. One's one thing. Which, Christ, 12?
Starting point is 01:01:23 The whole fucking neighborhood's going downhill now. That's why why i stopped and i'm like where is he going with this and you're like oh i'm like yes that's guess 12 people of any race will destroy a house there you go that's what i'm it breaks down the fucking the lifespan of that thing you're gonna you're breaking down my porcelain aunt m Mary. Jesus Christ. That's too many cheeks. Every time you shit, it looks like it was dropped out of a plane. There's impact marks. How does this happen? How high up are you sitting?
Starting point is 01:01:52 Unreal. So, yeah, after Hurricane Katrina, though, that's, you know, I mean, that's generous to say he's living kind of a nice life away from there in northern Kentucky. He's famous, all this shit, and he's going to move 11 relatives into his house. That's a lot. It is. That's a lot. But he does it.
Starting point is 01:02:10 And they said, though, that the change in him was pretty dramatic and drastic from when he was in college to NFL. Like in his personality, the way he treated his family. Sure. It's a different thing. He's a grown up now, and they were guiding him to be a mature adult. Now he doesn't have to listen to them, but they're still going to want to tell him what to do. That's the thing.
Starting point is 01:02:33 Not only that, he turned into a different guy. Like Arthur, his uncle here, said, quote, everybody knew everybody. When he got up there, the whole scenario changed. They said that it was just, it seemed like one of those things where he had he was famous he had money now for the first time and also in the nfl thing is in the off season yeah you have a lot of free time they go crazy a lot of free i mean and now
Starting point is 01:02:56 they have like now they basically make it so there's the super bowl the pro bowl then two weeks later voluntary mini camps and it's fucking starting again whereas even 10 15 years ago they didn't do that now it's like they can't do contact drills so now it's basically you just have to show up and work there and live at the complex 24 hours a day 365 keep yourself in shape for the next four months yeah well i'll keep an eye on you right yeah because there's too much free time and this is what happens here uh arthur said that chris stopped calling him once he got to cincinnati said so his whole life he was you know my house motherfucker well not now arthur was still down there but uh arthur said that you know it was raised him practically and all this shit and they were always so close oh once once chris moved up
Starting point is 01:03:39 to cincinnati he stopped calling well he's busy he said on the rare occasions that he you know chris would come home. He said that he wouldn't even, his uncle said, I never even knew about it until after he was gone. And he, he said, quote, he didn't want to disappoint me. And he knew I'd blast him. So basically he didn't want to just get yelled at for not calling, which I get. I get it.
Starting point is 01:03:59 And he said, uh, I, I, when I talked to him later, I'd say, man, you wasn't raised that way. So yeah, you're raised to have to treat your family like better than this shit. So his at this point, too, he starts kind of getting in with the wrong crowd a little bit, Chris. Yeah. And his his college coach. Now, this is a thing we say. Don't move home. Also, don't bring everyone from home to where you are. Don't move home. Either of those.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Just stay away from home. So keep your distance make phone calls hey all you want call them run up that phone bill cheaper than having 11 people in your house it's built into your phone bill nowadays beautiful that's great even 2006 as she was starting to get a long distance was yeah yeah it was all built in yeah you had like a sprint to sprint verizon to Verizon. You could talk forever. Oh, Jesus. That's it. So his high school coach said, quote, pick your friends wisely and be careful what you do with your free time. Everybody at school loved him.
Starting point is 01:04:53 I saw him at his best. I feel fortunate in that regard. Now, one of his coaches here, I think he was a receivers coach, Bill Stewart, he said, quote, I would tell you that Chris was never a bad influence or a problem in our locker room. He was a fun-loving kid. He was more shy. I never saw that side of him. I never heard of him being out downtown.
Starting point is 01:05:18 These kids get money. They get this entourage. They lose their identity. Did he make mistakes once he got into the limelight? Yes, and he was embarrassed. he brought some trouble on himself yeah so that's kind of what he's like he obviously changed when he got out of college because you know that happens you feel i don't know it's and it's a matter of independence too in college they're so up your ass with everything and i i feel like for the first these kids are watched over so hard
Starting point is 01:05:45 coaches and everything else and you know from the time they're kids and high school and through college and i feel like once they get into the nfl and they like once they like get that first place of their own that's like with their own money and shit like that they gotta feel like i am important now it has to be well there 22. Right, but there's also the element of your teammates and everybody around you is warning you that now everybody wants in your pocket. I'll bet there's a huge contingency of players in the NFL that are just fucking paranoid every day, all day. When you get in the league, the first thing they do is they sit you down and they tell
Starting point is 01:06:22 you horror stories. Oh, they bring you people that have done terrible things with terrible things with their money and they warn you and they bring it they bring in women yeah who say you know i used to just go around trying to get nfl players get me pregnant and shit like that like they bring chicks in that are like would you would you fuck me would you and all the guys are yeah yeah i know this yeah and then they and they go well just so you all know i am hiv positive yeah yeah and that's supposed to make them go, what the fuck? Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:06:47 Wake you up. But it doesn't. They sit them down for like a week and tell them not to do this with their money, to watch out for all these people, which, I mean, that's what everybody's been telling you forever. But it doesn't matter because if you're 22 and everyone's telling you that you're good and they gave you a bunch of money, you think, I must know better. Right. Because you're 22. And at 22, you're so dumb, you just go bunch of money you think i must know better right because you're 22 and and at 22 i couldn't handle that at 22 dumb you just go this is gonna happen every day forever forever because i am so good i'm amazing they've been telling me and your body feels great because
Starting point is 01:07:15 it hasn't been fucked up yet so you feel terrific you feel strong you feel young it's rough so uh now he goes to court uh here in january for the or for the january gun incident here he pleads guilty to concealed weapons charges that's the deal that they make with him he is uh he does 100 hours of community service and two years of probation yeah so uh that probation is going to be important because that means he can't be getting arrested all the time you're in the system babe and boy, does he keep getting arrested. Oh, no. He likes to get arrested, old Chris.
Starting point is 01:07:51 Chris is, it's almost like he's like a police aficionado. Where he's like, I don't know what the cops like in this town. Let me do something and find out. What do they carry around here? I want to compare. What do they drive here? Do they just drive the standard Crown Vic or do they have like Mustangs and shit here? What are they doing?
Starting point is 01:08:05 See if he likes my Glock. Yeah, he might. It's a Luger, actually, but okay. So June 3rd, 2006 is another issue with the police. An Ohio patrol officer stops him for speeding on Interstate 275 in Union Township. And troopers smell some alcohol on Henry and his car. And he failed some field sobriety tests. Henry does. And then Chris is taken to the police department where he blows in.092, which is not super drunk, but above the legal limit of.08.
Starting point is 01:08:41 And just dumb at this point. I'll give him a pass on judging him. But yeah, I'm not going to judge him for that, because he might have had a couple beers and thought he felt fine, but... Put in 2005? Six? Six. Get your head out of your ass. Take a car home. The NFL, this is at the time they already had the... This is at the time they already had the service where
Starting point is 01:08:58 any player can call anytime, no questions asked, and get a fucking ride. You get home free. From anywhere. For free. Shut the fuck up. So, don't get DU't get dui stupid tab and get the fuck off the road that's it man do that take a cab do anything you want to do there but this is just stupid see what i mean this is just stupid the first time it was uh here's the thing i don't fault you for having weed in the car don't speed when you have weed in the car yeah that's the smart thing to do that's the thing fucking 10 and 2 and obey traffic laws when you've got weed in the car.
Starting point is 01:09:28 If you know you're in Kentucky, which is not the most fun weed state. Not very friendly with it. Not friendly with it here. And also, if you know you've had a few, maybe just err on the side of, fuck it, I'll spend $30 on a cab tonight. Back then. This is pre-Uber. So, whatever. So, he ends up having to plead guilty to reckless operation of a vehicle and gets a $250 fine and a 30-day suspended sentence.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Now, I don't know how that suspended sentence, I thought he was on probation, so doesn't that trigger the, I don't understand how he keeps. If it's suspended, then it probably does not trigger it because it's being suspended, right? Yeah, because that's a criminal thing. It should be. It's not a traffic court. It's criminal, DUI, so I don't understand. Well, that one might not be a criminal one because it's low and it's 2006.
Starting point is 01:10:08 I don't know. And it's Kentucky. And it's Kentucky. Who knows what their fucking DUI rules are. They're probably like, boy, would you get home and have another pop? Jesus Christ. Of my goddamn roads. A couple cups of coffee.
Starting point is 01:10:20 It's your pussy.9. Jesus, that's all you've been drinking, boy? How many bars andames did that take listen here middle missy i want to tell you to just fluff on up with your pink dress and sashay yourself on home put your power saw up because it's sunny i want you to pour the rest of your zima out and get your ass off my road yeah there's the only the only you have to have you have to have a certain blood alcohol content right drive a tractor in the street that's why
Starting point is 01:10:51 you got a ticket it was too low that was too low yeah 0.12 is required i'm not seeing any open containers in here where is your drink get off my road before you sober up come on now at least like a just keep a bottle of like some old crow maybe in the trunk in case of emergency some cough syrup take a couple of slugs off it just so you know just so we know that you're paying attention and and you're trying you know what i mean some sprite and nyquil oh it's good it's the best so that was june 3rd 2006 he's arrested for this dui now june 14th 2006 he's arrested for this DUI. Now, June 14th, 2006, he's arrested again. Oh, bye.
Starting point is 01:11:28 This is for something that happened in May, though. They're finally catching up to him now. Okay, let's start out at the Courtyard Marriott in Covington, Kentucky. Of course. Where all good things happen to professional athletes. Oh, no, I didn't stay there. Never mind. No, you didn't.
Starting point is 01:11:42 I was trying to remember where I stayed there. You were in Ohio. Right. Yeah, you weren't in Kentucky's but yeah you stayed at somebody's place but you gave me an apartment to borrow that was yeah that was nice that was great courtyard marriott covington kentucky now someone has footage of you doing weird things i'm sure in their apartment in their apartment sorry so no that's why they wanted you there so you get that footage so uh good this is this is not great here now uh it's a it occurred on april 29th this happened uh covington police were called to the hotel where a young lady an 18 year old woman named monica beeman and remember that name because she's going to come up a couple more times yeah uh she is in the room with him as well as uh
Starting point is 01:12:26 unnamed uh an unnamed 16 year old and a 15 year old girl uh are in the hotel room with him okay now uh right away whatever's happening not okay it shouldn't be happening if i'm 23 i walk into a hotel room and there's teenagers in there peace out especially if i play in the fucking nfl especially but i mean even just me regular i've been like ah that girl's a sophomore later bitches i'm out of here this is fucking ridiculous i don't think there needs to be a qualifying especially you're right yeah you have what period is your lunch if there's an answer to that question that i am not i'm out there's an answer to the question, I'm out. If there's an answer to the question of what period you're watching. Who's the worst teacher on your high school campus?
Starting point is 01:13:07 Exactly. Who's a real bitch in one of your classes? I don't want to know about it. So, yeah. She, basically, there's no question that he apparently provided them with alcohol. He bought alcohol for a bunch of chicks, and he rented this room. This room's under his name. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Here. The problem is that Beeman also tells investigators that Chris Henry had raped her as well. What? The 18 year old. I guess it's better than the 15 year old saying it. I don't know. But it's still not good. Now, this is why this took a long time to investigate and to charge him with because after uh she had some inconsistencies in
Starting point is 01:13:46 her story and they kept following up and following up and finally uh she admits that there was no rape that they had consensual sex for money okay so uh so she okay there's no rape she actually this was like an arranged thing where i mean i don't know i'm not a prostitute but do you bring two of your younger friends with you on a trick like that seems like a weird thing that's a horrible thing it seems really weird is that your sister were you in charge of watching them you asshole this could get way worse at least it wasn't an eight year old this is my niece she made me go in there su. Go in there, Susie. Here, take some Old Crow. Just go in Chris's trunk.
Starting point is 01:14:27 He keeps it there in case of emergency. If you run out, there is NyQuil and Sprite in the backseat. Or just ask any police officer. Tell them you need to drive. They'll know what to do. They'll know what to do with you. Unreal. So, yeah, he wasn't charged at the time.
Starting point is 01:14:41 They waited for that. But he is definitely charged with providing alcohol to a bunch of minors in this hotel room now uh an arrest warrant ends up being filed for the monica beeman for filing a false police report oh that's how much she made the whole thing up like she made the whole thing. Yeah. Now they were still looking for her. Now his attorney said that said his attorney says other witnesses said that Chris was not drinking alcohol and he didn't bring the alcohol. He said that Henry rented the hotel room where minors were drinking, which is a misdemeanor violation. He says of a city city ordinance known as the keg law basically can't rent a room for kids. They can get fucked up in it. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:15:26 But that's not what happened. He was there. That we know because he did have consensual sex with this girl as well. Who, at least, she's an adult. She's at legal age. It's consenting adults. I'm not going to judge anybody.
Starting point is 01:15:39 But yeah, it's a little weird. So they ended up, she ends up confessing it was consensual. Oh, my God, James, it's Kentucky. I'll bet all three of them are legal. That's true. In Kentucky, they might be. Oh, my God. But you can't get them alcohol now.
Starting point is 01:15:52 No, God damn it. Don't get them drunk. Don't get them drunk first. Jesus Christ. You ask them nice. You ask them nice and convince them. Trade them. Convince them.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Convince them. Take them down. Ask them nice and then talk them into it. Take them down into the toys or us see if they want anything maybe you could rob them but you can't coerce them or pay them though that's the thing i mean you could pay them in toys but that's different now pay them in pokemon i mean still take it people take pokemon and shit some work things now a week later after she admits it's consensual monica beeman's arrested for prostitution. Okay.
Starting point is 01:16:25 Of another thing. Again. Just picked up on the street for being a prostitute. Being a prostitute. She's out prostituting again. So now she's out. Yeah. So that's not the last time we'll hear from her, by the way.
Starting point is 01:16:32 Oh, my God. She's interesting. Why would he? All right. Keep going. Now, let's put all of... Making up a rape charge, obviously, is a fucking horrific thing to do. Reprehensible.
Starting point is 01:16:44 It's absolutely awful to stick that on someone who didn't do that. Right. So we'll put that aside. At the same time, you're a 23 year old grown man with a high profile job. What the fuck are you doing in a Marriott courtyard piece of shit hotel in the fucking Kentucky suburbs with three teenage girls drinking and fucking them? Probably by the airport. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:06 It is. It's Covington. It's not a big place. Everywhere's by the fucking airport in Covington. It's airport and woods. Have you been there? I'll bet it's the Courtyard Marriott at the airport. It's either that or it's in the river or Cincinnati because that's the fucking town.
Starting point is 01:17:20 It's airport and then you cross a river. You pull out of the airport, you're in the woods. Remember? Yeah. We were said, where is Cincinnati? I thought that we got picked up by our friends. I thought they were taking us to murder us in the woods because I didn't know. I've never been in an airport where there's no town next to it.
Starting point is 01:17:35 I was supposed to land in Cincinnati. Oh, you did? Why does everything say Kentucky? Why does it say Kentucky, and why is there nothing but trees? I've never been in an airport that didn't have a town near it. It's just the town is the airport and woods. So weird. It's super strange.
Starting point is 01:17:56 Whatever dumb, you can't put yourself. You have to be better than that. Oh, by the way, he's got a girlfriend over this time. Oh, by the way way he has two kids no oh yeah he's got two kids we'll talk about it don't worry how do you have two kids and you've got a 15 or 16 year old in a hotel room i mean it's this is just stupid yeah this isn't like i said providing alcohol to minors yeah it's dumb it's not the you know he didn't kill anybody you know having sex with an 18 year olditute, not the smartest thing in the world.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Everybody was consensual, whatever. I mean, it's not great, but it's, it's, he didn't kill anybody. But why would you put yourself in the position to embarrass yourself and embarrass everybody around you? And the fucking league and your team. And Marvin Lewis, the coach of the team. Oh, Jesus, what he was. He said, quote, that bothers me when someone doesn't quite understand social laws. No question that bothers me.
Starting point is 01:18:48 But at some point, you have to make a decision whether this guy is good enough for our football team, and decisions can be made that way as well. Because if you can't function, then obviously you may not be good enough because I can't count on you. Not what you want your coach saying about you. They can't count on you.
Starting point is 01:19:02 Now, September 26, 2006, this is a couple months later he's in the car with odell thurman who's a linebacker on the team and uh uh he was there was a cop work said he was working a dui checkpoint and saw thurman drive an suv across a double yellow line on the way to the w the dui checkpoint and so uh uh they ended up arresting Thurman for DUI, and Chris Henry's in the front seat, of course, because, you know, this is not him driving. But that means that they were drunker, is what that means.
Starting point is 01:19:35 Yeah, he's more hammered. Chris is drunker, which is fine. You're not driving. This guy's swerving. Yeah, you're not driving, so that's fine. Now, let's get into the weirdness. Now, September 29, 2006, this is a few months later after the hotel room incident. Monica Beeman here.
Starting point is 01:19:52 She apparently went to the where where is this place? The Golf Manor Apartments in here. And she had sex with the Louis Carcelli for money, and then there was a disagreement over the money. Apparently, I believe it was $30 was what they were arguing over. $30. So Monica Beeman stabbed him 10 times in the chest. Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:20:22 Not only that, stabbed him 10 times and carved a big x across his chest wow so this is monica is a fucking cold bitch that's why you don't fucking go in this hotel rooms with strict that could have been you idiot yeah if you argued with her maybe she would have stabbed and carved you up what was this hotel called we don't know which hotel oh the courtyard marriott no no this is an apartment oh what's it called the golf manor apartments? We don't know which hotel. Oh, the Courtyard Marriott. No, no. This is an apartment. What's it called? The Golf Manor Apartments. Okay. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:20:48 I stayed there. No, it's not in Kentucky. No, it's in Cincy. No, this is, yeah, no, I don't know where this is. I swear that's the name of the apartment complex. Maybe. It's in Hamilton County. Oh.
Starting point is 01:21:01 Here, so I don't know if that's in Hamilton County. I don't know exactly where it is. Maybe it is there. I'm going to have to google that so that's so familiar she stabbed him over the payment here was was the whole thing here this is a suburban cincinnati man the uh they set a bond of one million dollars for her and and uh on the murder charge and fifteen thousand dollars on a charge for steven steven property. He was 52 years old there. Jesus Christ. This is the same one from the rape accuser.
Starting point is 01:21:31 Now, 2006, he still plays football, by the way. He's only played one year. He's already had quite the eventful time. Sure has. So 2006, the Bengals go 8-8. This is when they had the downslide because that was Carson Palmer tore his knee up in that playoff game. It's never quite been the same. He was never the same.
Starting point is 01:21:49 He was still good, but he was never quite the same guy after that. I think the Steelers won that 2005 year, right? Was that the year? No. I have to go through every year. I think that was the year they beat the Cardinals. That was 2008. Was it?
Starting point is 01:22:01 2008, 2009. Oh, you're right. 2005. I believe that was the year. Somewhere around there was the Colts and Bears. That was 2008. Was it? 2008, 2009. Oh, you're right. 2005. I believe that was the year, somewhere around there was the Colts and Bears. Remember that? That terrible Rex Grossman? Oh, yeah. Peyton Manning.
Starting point is 01:22:13 Peyton Manning beat them. Right. And the Saints. Oh, the Saints after Katrina. Right. Okay. Yeah, that's right. Because all his family came out there.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Against the Colts, right? Yeah. Yeah. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Yeah. Because Peyton Manning threw an interception to the Saints. Yes. He always wanted to throw a winning touchdown to the Saints, and he did it. And he did it. Good job. Thanks. Because of his dad.
Starting point is 01:22:35 His dad was so proud. Yeah. Good job, Peyton. Thank you. Finally won one for me. So, yes, it's an interesting time here trying to figure that out. I couldn't remember 2006, 2007. I have to go back to like 82 and do them all in a row.
Starting point is 01:22:49 Get them all. To remember where the fuck anything was. But Chris ends up playing as a good year here. 13 games he plays. He has 36 receptions, nine touchdowns. Not too shabby. It's a good year for a wide receiver receiver especially a guy who's not your number one guy right uh now uh he goes to court for his drunk driving he uh this is the june one where he
Starting point is 01:23:12 blew 0.92 the pussy 0.092 yeah wait 0.019 0.009 0.09 it was a week at eve jesus yeah well 0.08 is the right so yeah weak ass dui so uh yeah i honestly, 25 years ago, it used to be.10 was the everywhere. I know in Arizona and New York, it was.10. So, I mean, they would have said, good job. Cut it off just in time. Way to know your limit. Way to know. I am impressed.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Give him a high five. Right under it, buddy. So, now the court here, the results of the breathalyzer are thrown out because the machine was improperly calibrated basically i have a friend who had a bunch of duis technically basically if you have a lawyer um there's there's never been a properly calibrated machine ever that's ever made anyway if you have a lawyer and you're willing to spend money and have them go into calibrations of machines and shit and you can afford that you will be found not guilty of shit it's just the way it is especially back then today i'm sure they've because of this loophole
Starting point is 01:24:15 digitized maybe better equipment much more you still can't say that how do you prove that that thing was working perfect that's a great point even point. Even if they inspected it that morning and it did great, well, what happened in the four hours before that? Maybe you dropped it. Maybe this happened. Could have gone out of whack. I don't know if there's shit in it.
Starting point is 01:24:31 Yeah, unless it was inspected five minutes before that, there's no way you could tell. I need it inspected right before I blow in it for this shit to be legal. That's what I mean. So he ends up being given a $250 fine in the 30-day jail sentence, like I said. He'll also have to take random drug tests, and he's prohibited from using alcohol or drugs as part of the agreement here.
Starting point is 01:24:51 His lawyer declined to comment. The county prosecutor said that his attorney is trying to put everything together to get all of his stuff taken care of at one time. Let's clear the slate on Chris and let him start all over here now january 2007 he is uh has to go to court for the giving alcohol to minors whole that whole issue uh now he's sent to jail for two days for this after pleading you sir may fuck off two days in jail 48 hours that's not even it's a terrible fuck off right there. Two days after he pleads guilty to allowing minors to drink alcohol in his hotel room.
Starting point is 01:25:29 That's what he got. That's what he pled guilty of. Where were the 16 and the 15 year old while he was fucking the 18 year old? Hopefully not in the room because that has to be something weird to charge him with, right? Isn't it? Is that a decent exposure? Your dick should never come out around a sophomore is what I'm getting at, ever.
Starting point is 01:25:46 So if it does, I feel like there's a problem. Unless it's a dude and he's peeing next to you. Yeah, and even then, get a stall. I'm not peeing next to some kid. I'm taking my dick out right next to some child. If that kid's already pissing, you go to the stall. That's what I mean. That's what happens.
Starting point is 01:25:59 It's weird. And if you're pissing and that kid pops up, you go, dick your ass to the stall, young man. Put your little dick, your kid dick out of here. My dick's out. Excuse me, adult dick out. Go. So, yeah, it's what he does here.
Starting point is 01:26:12 Now, the problem is, is there have been nine Bengals arrested in the last 13 months. This was this time period where they just, everybody on their team was a fucking disaster. It was the joke of the league where, oh,engals got arrested today it was pathetic so uh henry obviously has been arrested uh multiple times the county the judge here kenton county district judge greg grothos told cool kenry quote you brought shame on yourself with this you embarrassed a lot of people yeah so uh he's he's been called he's been saying he's been brought shame and embarrassment or shame that's a catchphrase in his life yeah the embarrassingness here of this guy is a big deal it's a lot of shame shameful uh so he said he sentences him to 90 you sir yeah may fuck off 90 days in jail but he suspends all but two. That's where he gets the 48.
Starting point is 01:27:05 He suspends that. It's 88 days in jail. Now, he ordered him to serve those days right then, and that's hilarious. And he says, you embarrass a lot of people, teammates, friends, family, and the city, the fans, and myself. Oh, God, the whole city. And myself. Yeah, and me. And he ripped open his robe and he had a
Starting point is 01:27:25 bengal shirt on under it i think because he literally said you embarrassed me which is hilarious that's funny man i've never heard a judge say that before uh wow he has to tell his family how much he loves the bengals and how much they fuck his life over every year finally he's got a decent team and chris henry you son of a bitch! He starts going back to the judge. He's like, 1973 was the first game my father took me to over at the old stadium. Now, Paul Brown was still coaching then.
Starting point is 01:27:54 And you embarrass me. You embarrass me. So, he says, the judge also says, I'm sorry, a prosecutor says, quote, looking at his history and the amount of times he's gone before other courts and not gotten jail time. The reason we sought jail time was to send a very clear message to him that this is going to be the response every time you get in trouble in our community. So I hope, as the judge indicated, that he gets the message.
Starting point is 01:28:16 Yeah, I hope so, too. Now, his coach here, Marvin Lewis, said it's good that this case involving Chris has been resolved. Now Chris must continue to strive to mature and grow both as a player and a person. Yeah. Very silver-haired middle-aged white man thing to say. He's good now. Yeah. Now he's going to grow as a mature.
Starting point is 01:28:36 February 2007, Monica Beeman is back again. Oh, Jesus. She pleads insanity to her murder charge. Oh, really? It's getting crazier now yeah uh boy she uh her mental condition she did a psychological workup it turns out that she is a little wacky she enters a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity uh they say that uh jesus christ man she uh she did not meet the criteria of such a plea is what the this report says though so now
Starting point is 01:29:07 she's got a fight about that uh this is hilarious by the way this is right from a newspaper assistant hamilton county prosecutor kevin hardman said prostitute monica beeman fail i just love that they just like like she's a you know congresswoman monica beeman, prostitute Monica Beeman. Ridiculous. Fatal stabbing. She says that she thought that he tried to cheat her out of $30. $30. $30.
Starting point is 01:29:36 And the prosecutor said it was one of the most, one of the goriest homicides he's ever seen. Oh, boy. Stabbed him ten times and sliced a large X in his chest, like said like um we're talking shoulders to belly button just did a whole just 30 i'm surprised you didn't carve 30 yeah so uh he was so bloody uh and he tried to escape with all sorts of stab wounds blood pouring out of everywhere uh she ended up uh uh pushing him uh inside this was
Starting point is 01:30:07 happening as he was trying to escape and she used like he was so bloody she just kind of shoved him back into the house like slid him on the wall and uh did that because she's all bloody wow and uh she ends up pleading guilty uh to a charge of murder and uh she gets, you, ma'am, may fuck off, life in prison with parole possible after 15 years. And that is not the last we'll hear from her. My Christ. We have more on her. I have more.
Starting point is 01:30:33 Don't you worry. That woman is fucking intense. Well, we'll find out. You can find out for yourself. We'll find out. March 21st, 2007. Yeah. He's good now.
Starting point is 01:30:43 Yeah. Everything should be behind him. I mean, Jesusesus you got away with all this stuff and now this one she didn't kill me you you take stock okay the coach says i'm an embarrassment the judge says i'm an embarrassment i you know could have been killed by some fairly of age woman who you know i had sex with for money instead he uh he is driving his car in the 1100 block of Vine Street when the police noticed him not use his turn signal.
Starting point is 01:31:10 They pulled over his Cadillac Escalade, and they said, hey, dummy, you don't have a driver's license. Oh, no. And you don't have a seatbelt on, stupid. So he's arrested for that improper turn. He's not drunk. His vehicle isn't pounded, though. He has to post a $100 bond to get out of that one.
Starting point is 01:31:26 Now, the Bengals said they don't usually discuss legal matters. They said, quote, while the incident involved a minor traffic matter, the club is frustrated that the issue arose at all. Stay home. Get a ride. Stop driving, stupid. You're an NFL player. Get a ride. It's free.
Starting point is 01:31:42 It's free. It's literally free he said the club will await commenting on this specific matter until it is ruled on by the court and chris's overall future with our team can be determined only after this and other pending matters are resolved by the nfl he's such a fuck up we don't even know what we're doing with him so yeah 2000 may 21st 2007 prosecutor says that the uh uh the uh prosecutor says that chris failed a court-ordered drug test at this point, which is part of his probation. Now, his agent said that's not true. And they said, yes, it is. And they went back and forth.
Starting point is 01:32:15 No, it's not. That's pending. No, he didn't. Peace. I'm out. Pull the Lance Armstrong. I don't know what you're talking about. So 2007, Cincinnati Bengals.
Starting point is 01:32:24 He still plays football by the way wow uh yeah uh seven and nine the bengals go that year oh it's getting bad it's getting bad they don't make the playoffs uh chris only plays in eight games because he is suspended for the other eight so not terrific he starts two games he catches 21 passes for 343 yards and two touchdowns not really around enough to make a difference. 2007 is also the year that the NFL kind of changed their policies on player conduct. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's when they started having a conduct detrimental to the team, that shit. Yeah, they really started cracking, quote, cracking down on shit when people that they gave a shit to crack down upon here.
Starting point is 01:33:02 but they gave a shit to crack down upon here. They said they had, Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, had to say that they've raised their standards as well. It was basically a big for-show thing. So many people were getting arrested. The NFL had to make a big show thing, and all the teams had to go,
Starting point is 01:33:18 I totally agree. We won't put up with it anymore. The Bengals have a code of conduct now. Business as usual. And then they kept going. So November 6th 2007 he is in newport kentucky at a at a restaurant it looks like here and uh somehow i don't know how you get i don't even know how this happens okay somehow oh jesus christ he ends up assaulting a valet attendant what he ends up yeah i don't know that's the guy that's the nicest person that's the guy who goes here you go sir and opens your door for you park this for you he punched that guy for some reason wow we don't know why but
Starting point is 01:33:57 he got into a big melee brawl and is arrested for assault and assaulting this uh valet attendant november says this is right after the whole all of the nfl with the new policies it's in the beginning of the season it's fucking november swing of things it's right in the middle of season here so not terrific now at this point he gets a babysitter yeah uh this is the thing that the nfl started doing in the 2000s as well if they had a jerk-off player rather than say we're not putting up with that jerk-off player they're like what if we hire a guy to stay with him 24 hours a day? Oh, the babysitter's not for his kids.
Starting point is 01:34:27 No, no, no. For him. For him. Yeah. They did it with Pac-Man Jones. I think he got in a fight with his babysitter. An actual physical altercation with the people who are keeping him from getting in physical altercations. There was somebody that was evading his babysitter.
Starting point is 01:34:40 Oh, all the time. Yeah. He set up diversions to get rid of the guy. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Chris has earned himself a babysitter like he was all the time yeah yeah that happens to uh diversion yeah yeah absolutely yeah this is they chris chris has earned himself a babysitter now and we're talking to the point where when he goes home for a for a family funeral this guy comes with him oh you're talking about a 25 year old man and he brings some like 50 year old white dude with him down to new orleans to go to a family funeral no booze chris yeah sorry yeah so uh this is a guy named
Starting point is 01:35:05 rusty guy oh boy that's his babysitter oh that is as white as it gets oh he's super white too yeah he says he liked chris henry a lot he says that he had to go to a trip home with him for a family funeral and uh he said that chris was kind of pissy about having a babysitter yeah and uh i'd like to have a drink yeah family's dying that's what i know well this guy said i wasn't real fucking crazy about it either i didn't really want to babysit a grown man either also i i'm allowed to drink chris yeah and i can't drink around you i shouldn't so he says quote i this is a guy the guy guy he says i stuck out like a sore thumb i wasn't family and i wasn't african-american So it was just a black New Orleans funeral. And this guy sitting in the middle of it, like, well, this is weird.
Starting point is 01:35:49 They don't want me here, right? I don't know these people. I don't know the dead person. So this is strange for me to be here. So he said we were sitting around his grandmother's house. It was uncomfortable for both of us. Chris made a point of coming over and asking me to get something to eat with him. He made the best of it.
Starting point is 01:36:05 He said he called Chris Henry thoughtful, respectful, and exceedingly kind. Everybody says he's very kind. That's always a thing. Unless you, I don't know, scratch his car when you park it. Or he's not kind. Yeah. Or you don't make an agreement for sex
Starting point is 01:36:22 for money with him. Well, yeah. Did he pay? Yeah, he paid. He's fine. Well, yeah. He's not going to give it. Did he pay? Yeah, he paid. He's fine. Well, you know what? Maybe he is kind. I think he's kind. Maybe he was just doing her a favor.
Starting point is 01:36:33 He's like, listen, like someone who's selling something. What are you selling? Oh, your ass? Well, wonderful. I'll take three. How much is it? How many boxes? I will take three.
Starting point is 01:36:39 I'll take three candy bars. Maybe. I don't know. May I buy a case? Guy says, quote, we just hit it off. I don't know why. He was one of the kindestest most thoughtful people i've ever met in my entire life you hear the expression give you the shirt off his back and that was chris to the t maybe that was his downfall at times if somebody said let's do something he couldn't say no he realized it wasn't in his best interest but he never wanted
Starting point is 01:36:59 to hurt anybody's feelings he's a kind gentle human being and respectful of his elders you couldn't ask for a better person yeah so that's what people all say about him when they get him kind of one-on-one in an environment that's not in a car with alcohol basically so uh we're in a nightclub in orlando yeah but he's also on house arrest so he's got problems uh 2008 this, the guy, Guy, here, the security dude, the Bengals drafted Jason Shirley, who was a defensive tackle, and Guy took him to two different places. He took Shirley to John Thornton's house, who was a responsible, established guy
Starting point is 01:37:37 who lived in a nice, affluent neighborhood and had a family and little kids dressed in church clothes and shit. Or you can go this way. Then he took him to Chris then he took him to chris's house literally he took him there he took him to chris's house who was sitting with an ankle bracelet on and you know whatever and he said they left the house and he said to shirley quote which way do you want to go where do you want to be it's a good part this is a bad part he's the example of fuckery is the problem signed by your team go either way could have it all or you could be sitting here with an ankle bracelet on crossing your fingers you don't get cut because of your stupid behavior so uh now he uh jesus
Starting point is 01:38:18 christ he is uh stopped in late 2008 or march 2008 He is ticketed for driving with expired license plates. Guy? No. Who are we talking about for an hour and 40 minutes? I don't know. We were just talking about Guy. Yeah. Why would I care about his license plates? What are we going to switch to him now? Let's talk about his family. Guy's a piece of shit too. Guy's from blah blah
Starting point is 01:38:40 blah. Let's talk about his fucking shortcomings too. No, unless he can catch a ball. I'm not interested. Welcome to Crime and security guards welcome to crime and low-level football team employees in sports babysitters that would be something uh so he's driving with expired kentucky license plates which there's no excuse for no get. Get your fucking plates fixed. They're 11 cents. Yeah. Fix your shit. He pays $149 in fines and court costs.
Starting point is 01:39:10 Ooh. Wow. And that's also including five years of license plates. Yeah. And also five years of fucking Kentucky license plates. $149. Jesus. They should pay you to drive on a goddamn state.
Starting point is 01:39:21 So April 1st, 2008. Jesus Christ here. He is in an altercation yeah he's in an altercation here he's in it's hamilton county again he is identified by a guy named gregory meyer uh and an eyewitness the eyewitness and gregory meyer claim that henry uh punched gregory meyer causing a visible injury and then as meyer tried to drive away chris threw a beer bottle through the back window of his car okay you can't do that you can't do any of that stuff he's leaving fights over you've won you've won nope he decided to do that uh so it's not good he broke the windshield of the car apparently he's uh plea has to plead not guilty to charges of assault and criminal damage which is terrible this guy was an 18 year old kid that
Starting point is 01:40:09 he did this with he's a little too old for this shit you're in your mid-20s come the fuck down now 23 24 you don't get in fights with 18 year olds anymore here he just did his first walk for christ's sake yeah and the guy didn't know who he was at all and he said he didn't know who he was he didn't know his name but he did pick him out of two separate lineups so he he knows who he was at all. And he said he didn't know who he was, he didn't know his name, but he did pick him out of two separate lineups. So he knows who he is by sight, apparently. Yeah, so then he gets before a judge, Chris does, this is awesome, sits before a judge in this court appearance to post bond, and the judge says, you're just a one-man crime wave, aren't you?
Starting point is 01:40:43 Which is amazing. A one-man crime wave aren't you which is amazing a one-man crime wave aren't you aren't you that has to make you drop your head a little bit oh the guy with the gavel just said i'm a one-man crime wave that is not terrific and it's not even like impressive crimes it's all just stupid fuckery yeah there there is a different uh it's discrepancy of whether he broke the window and then punched him or punched him and then broke the window. Really? We're not sure. And I don't know which one is worse.
Starting point is 01:41:12 I really don't. Either way, it's crazy. It's got to be punched him. Kid jumps in car to drive away because he's six foot four. Because it's the rear passenger, too. Oh, yeah. Or he might have thrown it and then the kid slams on the brakes because a beer bottle is in his window.
Starting point is 01:41:22 I can see that, too. And then Chris runs over and starts socking him. I don't know if that happened too either way he's in he's in some trouble for that assault's a pretty good charge it really is uh april 3rd 2008 that was april 2nd 2008 april 3rd 2008 the bengals have had enough uh-huh they cut his ass really uh they cut him uh the president mike brown who was you know the owner's kid and all that kind of shit, he says that he's done. Brown said, quote, his conduct can no longer be tolerated. The Bengals tried for an extended period of time to support Chris and his potentially bright career. We had hoped to guide him toward an appropriate standard of personal responsibility that this community would support and that would allow him to play in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:42:02 But those efforts end today as we move on with what is best for our team. He says that he forfeited his right to play on the team. He forfeited his career with the club based on his stupid behavior. His agent, Marvin Frazier, he said that that's not what basically he says. That's not what happened. The kid made this up and it wasn't to chris's fault and blah blah blah frazier said quote i was told it didn't happen the way the man said it did so there's that so dude unreal i mean you're you're you're in a bad place with your life
Starting point is 01:42:39 right now you're you've got three years in the nfl you have a tattoo you have 11 people living in your house right and you're not going to make money now because you just got cut from the most lenient team in the league. Right. If there's a team that'll put up with fuckery. Yeah. And Mike Brown prides himself, he says, he calls himself a, quote, redeemer. Right. His whole thing, he's like a George Steinbrenner.
Starting point is 01:42:59 So he likes to grab the wayward people and bring them in. And that's funny because they keep comparing a weird comparison, but they keep comparing Chris Henry to Steve Howe in a lot of different things. Only because the Mike Brown, George Steinbrenner says he must like this guy a lot. He keeps giving him these extra chances.
Starting point is 01:43:17 So you keep getting a Steve Howe comparison over a three-year period. It's very strange. Which Steve Howe did a bunch of coke and he was a menace compared to Chris Henry. It's very strange. Steve Howe did a bunch of coke, and he was a menace compared to Chris Henry. This is wild. Chris Henry was such a good player and made such an impact in the NFL that a three-year career makes him stick out in my head.
Starting point is 01:43:35 Oh, he'll be back. Don't worry. He'll be back. It is the Bengals. You think they're going to just stick to this? I was about to say, Jesus, I didn't realize he only played three years. He's a fucking mess.
Starting point is 01:43:44 I mean, he's literally at his home where people knock on the door, and it's not any of our characters. It's the NFL security guy with a newly drafted person to say, look at this example of shit. Look at this example of the worst case scenario of what could happen to your stupid ass. Good morning, Chris. Noris no no i don't need anything i just wanted to show a new recruit oh how how fucked your life is yeah look at this place a shithole he's got no furniture he's got sheets he's using his curtains this fucking guy it's super and he does that's what i mean that's that's how his house is and he took him to the other guy's house and it was all you know beautiful suburb linens linens yeah they had he had linens in his closet that's the difference he's got linens in
Starting point is 01:44:29 his closet whereas the other guy's got sheets yeah his wife picked out patterns and then they did stuff with them and like they have curtains and shit yeah not just sheets there's a difference between linens and sheets absolutely yeah sheets are when you have less than three sets they're sheets if you have like ten things set then you have linens at that point it's in your closet because you need a closet for them otherwise you just stick them in one of your drawers
Starting point is 01:44:55 I got one fitted sheet and two of these tops I'll just stick them in my drawer it's fine I don't need a whole closet for this shit it didn't even come as a set I had to buy them all separate because these are sheets they're sheets my drawer it's fine i don't need a whole closet for this shit it didn't even come as a set i had to buy them all separate because these are sheets they're shitty they're sheets so he's he's got problems here and the guy the security dude he's like jesus christ he doesn't know what else to do yeah he's he said i you know i have a friend that could help him maybe and he sends his friend over
Starting point is 01:45:24 um because you know he's in this business, in the security business. He kind of says, maybe I can help this guy along a better path. And he does that. And he sends his friend over. And the guy knocks on the door. And it's Dexter Manley. Oh, fantastic. Interior decorator from New York City.
Starting point is 01:45:39 And he needs to see Chris Henrik. And he says... How is it you've come to arrive here? Seriously. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. What are you doing? 18-year-old prostitutes who stab people.
Starting point is 01:45:59 Chris. Chris. Chris, look at me. Look at me, Chris. I like your little anklet. It's nice and all, but you need to keep your eyes... Let's focus now. Focus. You're white trash. Do you understand that? Do you understand 18-year-old alcohol with 15? That's in Kentucky? That's the trashiest thing I've ever heard. You gave 15-year-old girls alcohol in the state of Kentucky. You might as well have married one of them. That's the only thing trashier than that. That girl could have murdered you. You're driving around. Get a cab. Do something.
Starting point is 01:46:28 You are trash. You're white trash. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you're white trash. I'm sorry. You might as well have an El Camino engine hanging from the tree in your front yard. It's pathetic at this point. I won't even work on this place.
Starting point is 01:46:39 Nice sheets. Goodbye. Poof. A poof of purple glitter and pink boas he's gone and chris is very confused this is the this is worse than when the security guy brought a guy over to use him as an example he's even more confused than that so uh april 7 2008 he goes on the radio to talk to michael irvin to uh tell everybody that he's cleaning up his act. He's going on the radio. On the radio.
Starting point is 01:47:07 Why don't you just fucking clean up your act? Nope, he's going on the radio with Michael Irvin going, look, man, I'm cleaning up my act. And Michael Irvin was a fuck-up. And so he, you know, he's understanding to that sort of thing. And he says that you and Pac-Man Jones should both get your shit together. And I agree with that sort of shit. You know, it's all good. By the way, they were teammates. Yeah, at that time at west virginia also really yeah so uh how about that yeah they
Starting point is 01:47:30 uh they both are serving suspensions at that point so there's a real correlation there so uh june 13th 2008 henry is suspended indefinitely by the n. This is after the latest incident with the beer bottle. Now, July 10, 2008, Chris Henry has a home in Florence, Ohio that he loses due to foreclosure. Of course. He did not pay the rent, the mortgage after May. Eleven people are evicted. And everyone's evicted. He bought the home in 2005.
Starting point is 01:48:04 It was worth $360,000. At least he didn't buy something that was well over his grade here. And 11 people are evicted. And everyone's evicted. He bought the home in 2005. It was worth $360,000. At least he didn't buy something that was well over his grade here. Yeah. So his lawyer said that he's completely broke. And the paper reports he earned about $2.5 million as a Bengal altogether. Wow. And that's gone now, I would imagine.
Starting point is 01:48:23 Three years. Three years. Three years. So July 14th, 2008, prosecutors dropped the assault charge against him after a judge ruled on several motions before a trial. He had a trial. It went to the jury and there was a mistrial. The jury couldn't because a hung jury ends up being a mistrial. So they're going to have a retrial. And there's all sorts of motions going back and forth. This is for a simple assault charge. It's not worth it.
Starting point is 01:48:50 So the prosecutors end up dropping the charge here, and so it's like it never happened. Like it never happened. So they're asking his team, hey, now that he's gotten his charge dropped, do you want him back? Marvin Lewis, in a word a word no he's not too interested let's say let's see what he says he says quote i'm not interested so i think that's a
Starting point is 01:49:12 not interested pretty and i said i don't think it would be productive for our football team you have to be a productive part to be an nfl player and there's uh responsibilities to being an nfl player it's a privilege it's not a right there's a lot that comes with being an NFL player. It's a privilege. It's not a right. There's a lot that comes with being an NFL player. But Mike Brown, who has a little more clout than Marvin Lewis, he sees things a little bit differently. He says, quote, I guess the world is divided
Starting point is 01:49:36 up between redeemers and non-redeemers. This is what he says. I happen to be a redeemer. He's super proud of himself. He's super proud of himself. Why don't you go ahead and coach some college teams there, Marv? Hang on one second. Let me just get it back. I happen to be a redeemer.
Starting point is 01:49:52 I think people can be made better and right. If that's a fault, so be it. These guys misstepped. They've made mistakes. They paid prices for it and have been verging on ruinous, but that doesn't mean I dislike them personally. I see them as people. I regret what's happened to them, and I regret they're no longer here.
Starting point is 01:50:12 That's all history now. We're going forward and we're going to try to go forward with the kind of guys we can count on. The kind of guys who are just not good players, but also good citizens. That's what he says, okay? Then, during training camp, Ocho Cinco and TJ Huzmanzada and Andre Caldwell, all of their receivers, are all injured during preseason.
Starting point is 01:50:34 Oh, no. So, Chris Henry, overnight, automatically becomes not only a good player, but a good citizen. Where is Catfish? Very quickly, he becomes a good citizen. It was very fast. where is catfish very quickly he becomes a good citizen it was very fast so uh yeah they they re-sign him on august 18th to a two-year contract redeemed they have nowhere he knows the system who the fuck else is he gonna get at that point so uh chris says quote i knew what i had to do when i was ready to do it that situation came about and i had to get uh get my way out of it
Starting point is 01:51:02 because i wasn't at fault i had to keep working and get through it so he's ready to go this is obviously a month after marvin lewis said i'm not interested that guy's a piece of shit uh he's now my number one got nothing else going on he takes a physical and agrees on the contract uh so his agent said i'm just glad they're willing to let the past be the past and give him a chance i hope hope the Cincinnati fans will give him the same type of chance. Don't worry. Other guys do much worse. He's way down on the list of. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:51:30 Yeah. He hasn't even punched a woman yet. Not even a little bit. No, I mean, you know, prostitute and 18 year old and all that. But still, listen, she didn't get punched. That's right. She was very well taken care of. She got paid.
Starting point is 01:51:41 She got her $30. So Marvin Lewis said he met with chris henry his fiance and their three children children by the way uh they one of them is a a girl who is his fiance's sister's girl who they're taking care of okay and they've pretty much adopted uh they they've adopted her though at this point and then he has two sons demarcus and yep chris jr of course you knew that was coming why not why not add him to the list everybody whoever's keeping a tally of fucking juniors there goes another one on there that's two weeks in a row at least because i know patillo had one last week too who turned out to be a dentist so very weird so uh he said he went to
Starting point is 01:52:23 meet with them mar Marvin Lewis did. Marvin Lewis said, quote, there was a different man that was sitting across from me. From that point on, we've seen a continual growth of Chris, a degree of responsibility. Quite an expansion, both on the field and off the field. What is he saying now? He's good now. He just did an I'm good now and silver-haired middle-aged white man all at once. Pretty incredible.
Starting point is 01:52:45 Not bad, Marvin. Good job here. So he says that he was once skeptical of Chris Henry. Marvin Lewis does. But then Henry asked him how to get extra tickets to a local high school football game so that his family members could attend. And he said that touched him, that he wanted to get tickets for his family. It doesn't take much. No. It doesn't take a lot he gave some shit he gave some pretty shit to his to his own family he walked by this one guy and he could have punched him in the nose for no reason
Starting point is 01:53:13 he didn't no i thought that was very nice i'm sure he didn't stab him or anything it was pretty good so uh yeah it's weird so he has to serve a four-game suspension for violation of the league's policies, though. And then once he is done with that, he is activated on October 4th. So 2008, the Bengals go 4-11-1. That is rock bottom there. Not good. Marvin Lewis had the greatest piece-of-shit career in the history of the NFL. He just coached for 20 years.
Starting point is 01:53:42 Yes, for so long. And just a loser. history of the NFL. He just coached for 20 years. Yes, for so long. And they were just a loser. Amazing defensive coordinator. Had made that Bengals defense so good and all that. And then goes to Cincy, has like two good years, and then is terrible for like a dozen. And they're like, one more year. One more year. One more time.
Starting point is 01:53:58 One more chance. Like, what? Stick around, Marv. Guys get fired. Marty Schottenheimer got fired when he went 14-2 one year. What are you talking about? Because he called the defensive line guy a dickhead. Because they lost in the first round of the playoffs. But he was swearing at him. No, he can't have that, Marty.
Starting point is 01:54:13 No, Marty. 2008, he plays in 12 games, Chris does. Only starts one of them, but plays in 12 games. He has 19 receptions, 220 yards, and two touchdowns. So he's back on the team yeah after the season he gets a tattoo oh boy below his ear uh that says blessed in cursive yeah so he gets a blessed tattoo he says i felt like i kind of dug myself out of the hole and started doing the right
Starting point is 01:54:40 things people say uh how you feeling now chris you doing all right and i just tell them i'm blessed that's why i got it that's over 10 years it's a basic white bitch tattoo yeah now every bunch of every midwestern white woman has that tattoo of her ass yeah or on her thumb yeah so side of her finger he says i don't live the way i did in the past i kind of plan my days out and take it one day at a time and stay away from the wrong people i'm not partying anymore i'm just focused on football right now and my family i don't associate with the same people i've completely changed everything everything's different how good now is he he my friend yeah is good now yeah that was the ultimate i am good now i've changed
Starting point is 01:55:27 everything i've changed everything you don't understand even the good stuff i changed that too just to make sure right i do different good stuff now i'm a different guy i used to eat a lot of broccoli no a lot of asparagus it's just one of those things like you know what maybe it's the broccoli that caused it you never know you don't know what kind of chemicals are in that shit every now and again hey you know what what the fuck so 2009 cincinnati he still plays football wow uh 10 and 6 they go so now they're back they make the playoffs they go all the way to the playoffs against the new york jets and lose 24 14 in the wild card 2009 is when the jets started making little runs in the playoffs. 2010 is when they went to the AFC Championship game.
Starting point is 01:56:13 So they were doing well there for a minute when Mark Sanchez first came in. They first got him when they used to just not let him do anything. His job was to snap the ball and give it to somebody else. Until the butt fumble ruined his whole life. That destroyed his life. Everything. It did. It destroyed his life. And now he just goes around and he just smiles yeah he's just like the mario lopez he's got a shitload of money he's mario lopez of the nfl he goes around and smiling what the fuck are
Starting point is 01:56:35 you smiling about what happened to your career mario lopez you're on the fucking hotel movie channel now that's all you do and then mark sanchez hasn't taken a snap in fucking eight years so what are we talking about here she rubbed a ball against the dude's asshole well no he fell on it and couldn't find it right he was because it came up through the through the the well the snap wasn't even no and then he sat on it right yeah i couldn't figure it out is that what is it he sat on it he ended up sitting on it okay. But the snap was just bad in the first place. The whole thing was a mess. It was just a bad play.
Starting point is 01:57:08 Goddamn disaster. And he looks like an asshole. Well, yeah. Because he's an asshole. Because he's an asshole. Pretty son of a bitch. Him and Carson Palmer, USC, pretty quarterback. Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart.
Starting point is 01:57:21 You could be wonderful at quarterback. And I feel like when you go there, they're like, I don't know. He's not handsome enough. We need to be more there, they're like, I don't know, he's not handsome enough. We need him to be more handsome to run this team. I don't know. The receivers are not going to catch a ball for a guy who's not handsome. You know what I mean? It's going to go right off their fingertips.
Starting point is 01:57:34 That's how it works. I need his hair in a quaff. Who plays for someone who's not handsome? Tell me that. How's he going to play if he's not handsome? Let's see your chest hair. Come on. So he plays in eight games this year.
Starting point is 01:57:49 He is none started. He has 12 receptions, 236 yards, and two touchdowns this year. So kind of the same year he had last year. But he suffers a broken right arm while making a 20-yard catch against Baltimore in November and is placed on injured reserve. Who did it? Ed Reed? I don't think he fell on it.
Starting point is 01:58:09 It doesn't matter. I wish Ed Reed just blasted him. I don't think so. So, yeah, that would have been more fun, though. Yeah. Angry-ass Ed Reed. So he's placed on injured reserve. That's why he only played in eight games.
Starting point is 01:58:20 He wasn't suspended or anything. Those were the eight that he was healthy for here. So now he's on injured reserve. And, I mean, if he is turning everything around, and he hasn't gotten arrested in like a year, so that's a smart thing. If he is turning everything around and he's trying really hard in football and recommitting himself, it kind of sucks that he would break his arm then. At least it's not like he didn't blow out his knee or one of those residual injuries, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:58:44 Because otherwise that's terrible. But I mean, they and the Bengals have put so much into him to get him back. And then he's like, Jesus, we only got him for eight. You know how much shit I had to do like 12 interviews about this fucking guy. It's ridiculous. I mean, I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Chris Henry, senior manager of corporate communications at Allstate in Northern Ireland.
Starting point is 01:59:08 Chris Henry, staff software engineer at Google in Mountain View, California. He went to National University of Singapore. Chris Henry, executive vice president at Alpine Bank Commercial and Industrial Lending. That's in Denver,ver their denver metropolitan area and uh chris henry vice president sales and product manager of the avocado department at del monte fresh produce i don't know the avocado guy in charge of the whole fucking avocado program program program not even department avocado program that's amazing and finally this is pretty amusing chris henry chief risk officer at chase home lending that's funny i don't know how
Starting point is 01:59:52 i might be a little risky yeah i know a guy who's risky as fucking home mortgages don't don't talk down this guy's a bit risky yeah he's gonna tell you who's risky and not now he's doing better though he's doing better marvin lewis said he's doing better marvin lewis said he's doing better marvin lewis said since last august when i had a talk with chris and filled mike brown in that's the team owner in with the details of our meeting there was a different man that was sitting across from me from that point on we've seen a continual growth it's pretty much the same thing he did before except without the expansion on the field and off the field right now uh in an interview with the cincinnati inquirer he says the same. Now, in an interview with the Cincinnati Inquirer,
Starting point is 02:00:26 he says the same thing. This is in October 2009. Chris Henry believes he's doing better. He credits his fiancée for helping him straighten out his life. Yeah. He says, she's been a big help. She didn't leave me when I had sex with an 18-year-old prostitute and gave booze to other teenage girls, which is helpful.
Starting point is 02:00:42 I don't know. She's right there with me. He didn't say that, obviously. She's been right there with me going through things and helping out on my side. We have the kids and she has my back with everything I've needed. So there's that. So he's very blessed, as he says. He says, quote, I don't live the way I did in the past.
Starting point is 02:01:00 I kind of plan my days out and says that whole thing. So he's completely changed everything. He doesn't associate with the same people anymore. Right. He's good now, once again. So mid-December 2009, he's with his fiancée. He's injured and off the, you know, out of football at the moment from being injured. His fiancée's name is Lolini tanga uh she's polynesian uh she's
Starting point is 02:01:28 there because her family is all polynesian and so there's a connection there as we'll talk about it's the only reason why that's important uh so her myspace page which she still has a myspace page uh identifies her as mrs c henry so i mean you know they're engaged they have kids yeah whatever and has a picture of her next to chris henry on her my you know they're engaged they have kids yeah they're whatever and has a picture of her next to chris henry on her myspace page and all that uh she has a post from that week talking about buying wedding rings that week uh so this one day in december december 15th they're together they met a wedding planner to talk about the wedding right and uh the wedding planner says that chris was quote annoyed and aggravated by the cost of the wedding.
Starting point is 02:02:09 This is when he was finding out how much it would cost. Because he's a man. Because he's a man. And he's like, I would, we could just do this shit. Can we not do it like this? Yeah. This is stupid. I'm so lucky.
Starting point is 02:02:17 Because Sarah was like, we don't need to have all this. And we got married in our yard. Right. And we invited, like, you and, like, our parents. And we were like, there. We're married now. This is where it's supposed to be. We didn't care about having a big stupid thing it was stupid we're like why are we gonna you can't afford it chris doesn't play chris doesn't have a job well he does now but he's injured right but he's still he's back but it's not working he doesn't have a ton of money
Starting point is 02:02:37 either to throw away so apparently they they said that he he seemed annoyed and aggravated by the cost and they were arguing about it. They were discussing photography pricing in the planner's office. This is in Charlotte. And the company said that Henry got so upset over the bill that she said, quote, with an attitude, he asked his fiance, how much are we paying for all this shit? So he was not like, he was here in numbers. This is how much this costs, that costs. He was like, he's like he was hearing numbers this is how much this cost
Starting point is 02:03:05 that cost he's like what's the total that we're paying here i could hear him be like oh it's only five grand for that and then six grand for that and after a while he's like i've heard a lot of five and six heard a lot of brands following these numbers they're adding up yeah what are we paying for all this shit this is fucking crazy so then i guess the wedding planner said that they bickered uh for a while and then chris ended up walking out of the store uh leaving his fiancee to fill out the paperwork and pay the deposit he's like fuck this shit i'm going outside i don't even want to hear it i don't want to deal with this shit so they fight and that ends up happening that's de December 16th, 2009. He's still with his fiance, uh,
Starting point is 02:03:46 Lillaney, uh, Lillaney there, uh, in Charlotte where her family lives. Uh, she stays with her. She was staying with her family.
Starting point is 02:03:54 Uh, he's on injured reserve. Like we said, they're planning their wedding. Uh, they get into an argument at home again. This is around noon. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:02 Uh, they get into a dispute at home that spills into the outdoors of a lot of yelling and screaming and you know a pretty pretty lively argument between an engaged couple how that might go and uh apparently uh she uh lalaney uh hops in her pickup truck she's got like a big jacked up truck like big tires on it and shit you would love this thing like like it's like it's like mini bigfoot right it truck with big tires on it and shit. You would love this goddamn thing. It's like mini Bigfoot. Right.
Starting point is 02:04:30 It's like what a southern gangster that fishes drives. Exactly. That's what I mean. And also a 25-year-old black woman. Yeah, yeah. Right. Hell yeah. That's not a thing.
Starting point is 02:04:39 So yeah, she has this big cool truck. It's a pretty cool truck. It's yellow too. Really? It stands out. Is it a Chevy? I don't know what brand it is. It's a fucking Chevy. So she jumps in her truck to take off.
Starting point is 02:04:48 Yeah. Okay. Now, a nearby person heard Chris say, quote, if you take off, I'm going to jump off the truck and kill myself. That's what he said. Don't take the fuck off. Stay here. Where are you going?
Starting point is 02:04:59 I'll get on there. I'll fucking jump off and kill myself. People say crazy shit all the time. I'll get on there. I'll fucking jump off and kill myself. People say crazy shit all the time. So according to the police, the quote, the domestic situation continued between the operator and Mr. Henry. Okay.
Starting point is 02:05:15 And this is what ended up happening. A 911 tape comes in. She drove away in the pickup truck. And, well, let's just pick it up with the 911 tape a woman calls in dry who's driving behind uh lalaney and said quote uh there's a there's a truck with a guy in the back of it yeah quote it's got a black man on it with no shirt on and he's got his arm in a cast and black pants on he's beating on the back of this truck window i don't know if he's trying to break in or something it just looks crazy there's a girl driving it so that's the 911 call and you could hear this girl she's like this looks great there's a girl driving i don't know what the hell that's basically what is i don't know what's happening
Starting point is 02:05:51 there's a man in the back of this pickup truck it's not a normal man in the back of the pickup truck the funny usually they're sitting with their back to the cap you know how it works looking at me and we're making uncomfortable eye contact right in a seat in a seat and all got a dog next to him you know how it goes in the back of a pickup truck we're making uncomfortable eye contact in a seat. No, got a dog next to him. You know, it goes in the back of a pickup truck. We're making weird eye contact. I don't know if to wave. He doesn't know to wave.
Starting point is 02:06:11 This is fucking. This is this is interesting because you can hear in the 911 call. The woman's talking about this and they're like, OK, well, is he still in the back of the truck? And she's like, oh, I turned off like a while back. I'm going to my husband's job right now. So I had to go here by the way back there. They're like, OK, well, oh, I turned off like a while back. I'm going to my husband's job right now. So I had to go here. Oh, they're way back there. They're like, OK, well, thanks, I guess. And that's the end of the fucking call.
Starting point is 02:06:29 Like it's not here. So a minute later, one minute later, a man calls 911 to say that he sees, quote, a man lying in the road. Oh, no. And definitely unconscious. Yeah. According to the police report, at some point while she was driving, this is all it ever says, quote, Mr. Henry came out of the back of the vehicle. It's all they ever get. They don't know if he was thrown from it, if he jumped from it.
Starting point is 02:06:54 No one knows what the fuck happened here. Two people from homes nearby saw this happen here, and they came running outside. One woman said she came outside with a blanket when she saw that he wasn't wearing a shirt. She came out to try to help him. She says, quote, When I got there, he was laying on the ground out there and he was very unresponsive, laying flat on the ground. He was foaming at the mouth and I was worried what was happening there, which sounds bad. Now, they did say that Tonga stoppeda stopped down the street when she noticed what happened
Starting point is 02:07:27 and turned around and came back to try to help him. She didn't run him over or anything. So he's taken to the hospital with head injuries, and he's unconscious. And his mom comes in, and he's got his kids there and shit. He's unconscious all night long, and it's 6 36 a.m he's pronounced dead oh no yeah died what steve howd james you said death defying death defy well he did defy it for a while oh my god and then he didn't steve how is fuck that's what i mean and they kept comparing him to steve how well before he died how could they do that hold on a second
Starting point is 02:08:03 he was we've only had two people thrown from a truck to their death. Wow. And they both, yeah, it's very weird. And they compared him to him. They compared him to him early on. Holy shit. So Chris ends up, he's dead here. It's crazy, man.
Starting point is 02:08:16 One of his coaches said he had turned a corner. There's no doubt in my mind. They said that he'd become a good teammate. He ended bad associations that he had. He wasn't interested in partying like he was before uh he he was more into just his relatives and his uh fiance he said that uh his one teammate is samoan and his his fiance was polynesian so he started hanging out with that teammate that's what i was saying they kind of all had a connection there
Starting point is 02:08:41 uh it's it's it's crazy man uh a teammate of his said he was just coming to realize what life was all about just starting to realize what his priorities were were friends family children team uh and uh they jesus christ it's it's crazy too they have uh it's a very sad thing i mean all the players are sad ocho cinco's crying on the field and shit they uh you know wore a sticker on their helmets yeah uh they uh his mother said quote my son was becoming the man we knew he could be mike brown the team's president there he said he was good at what he did as a player uh he was at he was good at what he did as a player he was excellent he was a teammate to our players a friend to almost all of us in the building. Some of us thought he was a piece of shit, but almost all of us.
Starting point is 02:09:26 He's an embarrassment. Some of us were a little embarrassed. We knew him in a very different way than his public persona. We liked him. He had worked through troubles in his life and had seemingly reached to the point where everything was going to blossom, and he was going to have the future we all wanted for him and that he wanted for himself. He also says he had troubles, and some of them were made more of than I think they actually were.
Starting point is 02:09:48 Yes, it was challenging at times with him, but he was someone we liked. It's a terrible tragedy that just at a time he was running to daylight, his life was snuffed out. Carson Palmer said, Chris was a guy I believe and our team believes was heavily misunderstood. There was a lot of speculation about who he was but only the the only guys who that knew chris and knew how good of a heart he had and how kind he was now gently was now soft of a heart he had were the guys in our locker room the guys were close to him and his family uh roger goodell even talks about it what that guy's a dick yeah he says his future as a husband and a father were important to him.
Starting point is 02:10:29 He was a young man that struggled to make some decisions he regretted, but he put himself on the right path. And I'm proud of that. I'm proud of him. His fiance, who is under some fire at the moment, she says, quote, can't nobody feel what I'm feeling right now. We loved each other very much. People say I helped change his life. No, he changed mine we were supposed to get married in three months but i'm going to wait until i see him again uh now so that's all the the reactions from everybody on then the other reaction is this is amazing by the
Starting point is 02:10:55 way those are from everywhere every site like paper and site and everything had like reaction from the coach from the team from all these people uh beckett.com beckett like the price guide for sports cards they had a reaction they had a an article about him yeah and rather than put like they have like you know chris henry died blah blah and usually it would be like you know statement from his family statement from somebody they put quote henry appears on 363 football cards including 86 autographs and just 13 memorabilia cards his most valuable autograph in the Beckett.com database is 2005 Finest Black X Fractors No. 165 card,
Starting point is 02:11:28 which is valued at $60, while his most valuable rookie card is 2005 Exquisite Collection autograph No. 46, which is valued at $40. That's their fucking summary of his life. 363 football cards. That's the in-memoriam. His most expensive card is 60 bucks. He had a fiance, three children, and about 363 football cards.
Starting point is 02:11:50 Ridiculous. So the police investigate this whole thing. They have rumors here. There are people around the couple who say that his fiance has a history of domestic violence and has a severe drinking problem. So there's people saying that this source says, quote, I knew the next time Chris would get in trouble, it would be because of that girl. She drinks all the time. They get into fights and she's even bragged about getting into two disputes with former boyfriends is what they said. So they're trying to there's people trying to put a lot of stank on the girlfriend and make it her fault.
Starting point is 02:12:26 The police spokesperson said, quote, there's nothing new to report. She hasn't been criminally charged in his death, nor has she been cited for any traffic violations. That said, the investigation of Into the Death continues. We understand the time concerns that people have, but unfortunately, we cannot rush the investigation to satisfy people's curiosity
Starting point is 02:12:44 into whether or not the fiance will be charged. Fucking fair. Totally fair. Now, the cousin said, to be honest, I felt fishy about it, about the fiance thing. Things weren't adding up. But when I saw my auntie before the funeral, that's Chris's mom, and she said she was at peace and she believed everything they said had happened. I swear on everything i i love that and i love that i never thought about it again once she said she was at
Starting point is 02:13:10 peace it just left me so the mother the police say there's no charges they she she had no alcohol in her system she didn't do any crazy traffic shit it's just a crazy thing that happens that he is an accident this is why you don't get in the back of a fucking bang on windows yeah let her go jesus fucking call her later it's fine she's so she's irrational right now yeah you're both being irrational she's gonna drive away you're gonna hop in the back of a truck it's just silly got one arm you've got one arm that's the other thing too so he couldn't probably catch himself even added didn't have a chance of catching himself even so he uh yeah he landed pretty much on his head yeah
Starting point is 02:13:45 and uh was taken in with head injuries and we'll find out from his uh autopsy it's blunt force trauma to the head is what kills him here and so yeah it's it's the family though once the police say they're done they're not you know there's no criminal charges the family just says we're gonna not they're not gonna be you know fuck her they're gonna end the story they're gonna embrace her and pretend like everything's fine basically which i mean what else you're gonna not they're not gonna be you know fuck her they're gonna have this story they're gonna embrace her and pretend like everything's fine basically which i mean what else you're gonna do they have these kids and the mother wants to see the grandkids now uh after his death uh the doctor came to the mother and said do you want to donate his organs yeah because you know he's otherwise healthy and he it's a head injury the rest of his body's fine he didn't have any diseases or anything and so she does she decides to donate his organs uh his corneas
Starting point is 02:14:29 lungs kidneys heart and liver and pancreas were all put in transplants and saved four people's lives wow four people uh yeah way to go chris not bad well his mom anyway uh yeah she said quote i didn't know anything about organ uh and tissue donation I knew that that's what Chris would have wanted. He'd give you the shirt off his back. Well, so the organs inside the organs out of his back. So not far away there. There's a Mooresville, North Carolina, a woman named Donna Arnold was waiting for a kidney and pancreas transplant. She needed both.
Starting point is 02:15:02 Both. 50 years old. She had diabetes since she was 16. She had been on dialysis for a year and pancreas transplant. She needed both. Both. 50 years old. She had diabetes since she was 16. She had been on dialysis for a year and a half. She had to take three insulin injections a day. That's rough, man. She said, I didn't want to do anything. When it got to the point of dialysis, I realized I might die.
Starting point is 02:15:18 And she said that she got a call saying, your organs are in. And so, yeah, she said that she wished she could hug him and tell him how grateful she was. Yeah. She said she knows all of the Cincinnati Bengals playbook. Yeah. It's weird. It's super weird.
Starting point is 02:15:32 She runs a button hook better than any other 50-year-old lady in the neighborhood. She's got like an ex-post that goes down. It's ridiculous, man. So they did.
Starting point is 02:15:40 There was three other people. All four of them ended up having a meeting in 2010, a reunion at the medical center. Yeah, the organ. They do that shit. Don't do that. They do that shit.
Starting point is 02:15:51 Oh, that's so creepy. And the mother came, too. Oh, my God. Get him in there. His mom came, too, to see all the people's lives. It made her feel good to see. All his organs together. My son saved all his...
Starting point is 02:16:00 So I got half my son in this room. Make a field chr in here yeah so uh she said i know people had said bad things about him but he was a giver those recipients gave him back to me that day i got chris back that's the way she felt about jesus she felt like he was living on through them here um she says that she is uh semi-retired she got married in 2008 his mom yeah and she still stays in contact with her grandchildren uh there she said that her and uh the mother and the fiancee speak frequently in spite of her feelings by some that tonga played a role in his in her in henry's death basically she says at this point doesn't matter i don't care she doesn't give a fuck she says quote i have to
Starting point is 02:16:43 stay close to her to monitor what is going on with my babies so we get along there are no problems she don't give me no problems i don't give her no problems we communicate and we just love up on each other for the kids sake that's nice in other words it's what are we going to fight and then i'm not going to see my grandkids right which is what would happen so she's she's doing the right thing for her. June of 2010 is the autopsy. It says that there was no traces of alcohol or drugs in Chris's body when he died. And they didn't test for other things. But it's blunt force trauma.
Starting point is 02:17:16 Now, June of 2010, his brain is being studied at the Brain Injury Research Institute at West Virginia University. And they come out with, in June of that year, June 2010, that Chris had CTE already at 26. They said at this point they were shocked because they said it had been the youngest case they had found. Now they find it in 18-year-olds. But at the time, they said he was only the second active player they found with him. Wow. That was active. Now it's so many of these guys.
Starting point is 02:17:51 Who the hell was the other one? It was a guy from 2007. I can't remember his name. Somebody that died, obviously. Yeah, yeah. No, no. It was the youngest one before that was Justin Strieslick. I don't know how the hell you say that.
Starting point is 02:18:04 Is he dead? He's 36, who had been retired for five years. Got it. And he died in 2004. Yeah. And yeah, so they were saying that was the youngest guy before this. Now it's way less people. Well, it's going to be hard to find him that young because in order to find that, they've
Starting point is 02:18:20 got to be fucking dead. That's the problem. You've got to study the tissue. The fucking brain tissue. Tissue was the word I'm looking for here. You can't just do that with a cat scan no you can't just go up yet you're fucked so uh yeah it's it's really wild here this whole thing he's the 22nd pro uh football player to be given that diagnosis that's how few there were at this time so it just started he's the first to have died with the disease while still active uh when uh before that they this
Starting point is 02:18:44 is when they were starting to you know change the helmets and do shit like that um yeah he said uh change rules yeah the doctor said quote because this was a west virginia guy he used to be the team's physician really so he knew chris henry since he was in college his goddamn brain yeah he said as we got the results my emotion was so it was so sad it's so profound uh he said uh he we got the results, my emotion was so sad. It's so profound. He's a former team physician for the Steelers, too. He said that I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. That's the other thing. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease?
Starting point is 02:19:20 I'm struggling to see if something positive could come out of this. This is the thing. In college and in the pros, he never had a reported concussion not once which makes a lot of sense because guys don't report concussions for the most part remember when gronkowski report retired he said i had 30 concussions they go they said you had like two he goes i didn't report the other ones those are reported ones the only concussions that get reported are when you're knocked so cold that you can't get up. Or you're woozy. And they have no way.
Starting point is 02:19:49 Most of the time, if they get dinged, they'll just come up acting like they got the breath knocked out of them. Yes, they do. Act like they got the wind knocked out of them. If you lay there and pull your knees up and hold your gut, they go, I've got the wind knocked out of them. That's what they do when they get hit in the head. They just know to grab their stomach and do that and not their head it's like they have trained themselves do not grab your head if your head gets hit because then it's automatically they're going to do the whole concussion protocol but if you say i'm not just knock the wind out of myself they don't even check you over
Starting point is 02:20:15 they just go cool you're fine you're good do that now right fuck yeah they do you think so what do you think every time a guy falls down and hurts his leg they could check his fucking eyes and check his concussion they absolutely don't do that they check it time a guy falls down and hurts his leg, they go check his fucking eyes and check his concussion? They absolutely don't do that. They check it when a guy gets knocked out, when a guy gets hit hard, when they say his head hit the turf, they do it. They don't do it when a guy gets his bell rung and nobody notices. The guy gets up and says he's fine because he wants to have a fucking job.
Starting point is 02:20:39 That's depressing. That's why, yeah, there's no safe way to play football. No, there's not. We all have to decide this. We all have to figure this out as a society. there's no safe way to play football. No, there's not. We all have to decide this. We all have to figure this out as a society. There's no safe way to play football. There's no safe way to box. There's no safe way to do MMA. There isn't. There just isn't. There's no safe way to play
Starting point is 02:20:54 hockey. There isn't, unless you have no contact, which is boring and no one will ever watch that. There's no way to play those sports in a way that someone will pay money to watch and have it be safe. So we all have to just go, okay, when you sign you sign up you're basically you're signing up to get your brain mashed into pudding okay is that okay with you that's that's but then is that a decision that you're you can really make it 20 years old when you're but then go ahead and buckle in and don't uh feel bad for
Starting point is 02:21:18 antonio brown when he loses his mind on tv yeah through in the paper in the meat that man's head is mush it's probably fucked up. Vontaze Perfect started it or at least finished it. All those eggs are scrambled. It's a fucking mess. It's fucking ridiculous. It's going to go bad for him. I would say so. A special teamer
Starting point is 02:21:38 for the Seattle Seahawks at the time, Sean Morey. I don't know if you remember him. He said it's very emotional to hear. It rattles me. The fact that this has been founding that uh found that guys played against the last year an active player i think it's sobering you have to ask yourself how many are playing the game today that have this and don't even know about it a shitload look in the mirror do i have it probably yeah just think my just hit the constant hit in the head here like i said and if you're six four and you've been hitting your fucking head your whole life anyway,
Starting point is 02:22:05 and then on top of that, you play football, you're going to have some shit going on here. And in that division with the Steelers, the Browns, the Bengals, and the Ravens, those guys are vicious at each other. It doesn't take being an over-the-middle guy. The whiplash of hits, even. You don't have to hit your head. That's the other thing.
Starting point is 02:22:20 That's a good point. Well, they found that. Just your brain bouncing around. The whiplash of it. That's how a lot of these concussions start. The guys are so fast and strong now, literally the impact of hits. They don't have to hit their head at all. They can get a concussion just from their fucking body stopping so suddenly, which is insane.
Starting point is 02:22:36 It's called momentum. It's crazy. Your brain's not attached to anything. You're all too big and strong now. Stop. Too much. Take it down. Or don't bitch when you're a mess.
Starting point is 02:22:45 If you run under a 4'5", 40, we can't have you in the league anymore because you're going to kill each other. So they said that they planned to speak with his family members to learn if he had any head injuries while he was in high school or anything like that. The doctor says, I don't want to imply that this is an NFL-only phenomenon. While the brain is young and vulnerable, it sustains an injury. This can happen. He also said, players spend 17 years banging heads in the pros on every play, and you think
Starting point is 02:23:14 that it's exposure-based. Now, with Chris being so young, we have to rethink that. This is when they were still trying to figure it out. Now they know it can be one shot, and you can be fucked up. This was right after the nfl strengthened several rules about the requirement uh people with concussions can't return to the same game before that you could get a concussion in the first quarter come back in the
Starting point is 02:23:34 third really yeah there was no rule against it now they have to be cleared by independent experts all you have to do is get cleared by your team doctor you know your team doctor now it takes like bill come on dude i'm fine bill i'm telling you i'm fucking fine let me in there or if it's an independent guy they're like i don't know you fuck you you're not going in whereas this team guy he's got to live with this every day and if the quarterback doesn't like him guess who's not going to be on the team next year the doctor you know team doctor's gonna get fired if the hundred million dollar quarterback doesn't like it he just like to win i like to win yeah so it's ridiculous uh maury said quote we have to educate the players the players have to have the ability to have informed consent
Starting point is 02:24:10 his aunt and his mom uh said they're very convinced that that is a problem with him uh his aunt uh leatrice hollis said everything from the cte report was an aha moment for me. Chris was concerned about his mood swings. We talked extensively about that. His mother said that she had no idea that he was suffering from brain damage. But looking back on it now, she said the signs were there. She said, I know the major thing was headaches, the mood swings, the forgetfulness, or the lack of patience. You think you are with this one person, person the next time he's a totally different person i was wondering if it was just me or had the family been noticing it but it was confirmed
Starting point is 02:24:51 when he got the ct scan and they were talking about it the paperwork i was reading said that part of the issues he could have was uh early alzheimer's and early dementia that's scary i just thought they were going to do research i didn't think they were going to call me and tell me something extreme like this this was a big surprise uh which i would fucking say so that's a yeah you don't expect that a guy who's not a big hitter or a big but he was the same thing like with chris benoit they were like i don't know we thought he was fine and they cut his got his brain they were like oh it's a hundred year old man's brain who's been hitting the head a lot that's fucking crazy so chris is buried at our lady of perpetual help cemetery in his hometown down there in louisiana it's about two miles from his high school that he played in as a cemetery
Starting point is 02:25:34 uh yeah now monica beeman the uh rape accuser slash murderer she is in the dayton correction correctional institute uh prisoner number six eight six five three four one oh four germantown pike dayton ohio four five four one seven usa she is looking for people out there oh jesus i found her on right of prisoner oh no she says she is quote single black female seeking correspondence from anyone who appreciates a fun loving loyal down earth woman i'll cut all of you whoa i'm determined focused driven educated positive and most definitely a go-getter i will go to your house and stab you for 30 dollars i'm health conscious not yours mine into fitness i'm also adventurous knife in your chest fitness knife up in your shit i'm also adventurous not adventurous not scared to try new things including carving large
Starting point is 02:26:32 letters across your chest uh wanting to share my thoughts and ideas with someone else currently an animal trainer and college student if i have peaked and she said it not with the q she said peaked like i'm peaking and something if i have peaked in interest please contact me at jpay.com if i've peaked in interest please give me money yes so uh monica beeman's out there she sounds like a real winner don't you dare give her money 18 year old prostitute who stabbed a man and we had a lot of insanity. She seems like somebody you want to hang out with. Big DMX fan. Oh, she's great. Wow. Definitely. Can't get enough of Chris?
Starting point is 02:27:09 Well, he appears on 363 football cards, including 86 autographs and just 13 memorabilia cards. His most valuable card at Beckett's.com database is 2005 Finesse Black X Fractors, number 165, which is valued at $60, while his most valuable rookie card is 2005 Exquisite Collection autograph, number 46, valued at $40.
Starting point is 02:27:24 Unbelievable. Find it there. Tons of autographs, jerseys. You can get a number 15 Chris Henry jersey. It's the best about anywhere. There's cards. He has little figures and all sorts of shit. He looked like a cat. He did. He was like a smooth, kind of like a handsome cat.
Starting point is 02:27:39 High cheekbones. Yeah, exactly. He looked like a Nordic model. A dark-tanned Nordic model. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know about Nordic, but... A Switzerland model? The bone structure of a Nordic model. Women in New York are fucking furious. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:27:55 Absolutely. What a waste. Yeah. What a waste of cheekbones, Chris. Cheekbones. He's tall and lean. He's got it all. Cheekbones for days.
Starting point is 02:28:03 Cheekbones for days. Hey, cheekbones for days. That, everybody, is Chris Henry. That is a tragic tale right there. It's a waste. It's a waste. I feel like it's like half a crime and sports story. It's a waste in so many ways.
Starting point is 02:28:18 Well, it's a waste of life. It's a waste of everything on a human level, obviously. But then it's also a waste for us. He could have fucked up for years. Well, have went back been good now and that was so the the springboard for the next level of his crazy like his late career and then post-retirement crazy it's cte jane oh he would have been arrested for like fighting a stranger on a plane and shit like that that's the type of stuff he would have been. We would have had some firsts out of Chris. We would have had some firsts, but instead we had to talk about that because I thought the death and the CTE at such a young age,
Starting point is 02:28:50 and then the Monica Beeman thing, which is so interesting. And the comparison to Steve Howen to die the same way. The story just grabbed me. Minus a meth session behind the wheel. A meth session, and yeah, Steve was actually driving and all that sort of shit. This didn't have to happen.
Starting point is 02:29:05 No. Put it that way. It didn't. She drove away. He went back in the house. Everything would have been fine. What a waste. It's a huge waste.
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Starting point is 02:31:26 Jimmy, let's hear the names of the most wonderful people in the world. Hit me with them. This week's executive producers are Greg Zidonic, Jeff Rash, Shailene Wilson, Holly McKee, Emma Stroll, or is it Emma? No, that's Emma. Is it Emma? Emma? I think it's Emma.
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Starting point is 02:31:58 Thank you so much. What the fuck? Yeah. That was amazing. Thank you so much. You are... You guys do some things for us. You are the executive executive producer this week. You're the director this week you so much you are you guys do some things for us you are the executive executive producer this you're the director this yeah you are you're the dick wolf
Starting point is 02:32:10 this week you get your own uh your own screen with the credit dick wolf the walking around you guys are so sweet and you helped me get my daughter to uh uh urgent care and then the emergency room this week thank Thank you so much. Other producers this week are Crystal Smith, Kenneth Garrity, Hannah Phillips, Colin Luck or Lukey, Frank Tripaldi, Zach with no last name, Ken Thompson, Jocelyn, no last name, Ty Torito, Toribio, Lindy Simmons, Andrew with no last name, Monica Fabry or Fabra or Farb. Farb.
Starting point is 02:32:47 I don't know. It might be Farb. It could be Farb. Farby. What do I know? I watched football a little bit. You know nothing. I know nothing.
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